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November 3, 2025 32 mins

In this episode, Ryan breaks down the numbers behind voter turnout and what the latest polling data tells us about the 2025 election landscape. He dives into early voting trends in key battleground states like New York, Virginia, and New Jersey, uncovering how changing voter demographics could reshape political outcomes. Ryan also examines a recent Democratic Party post-election autopsy, exploring what went wrong in 2024 and what strategies could define future campaigns. It's a Numbers Game is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday. 

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back to a Numbers Game podcast, Ryan Gridsky, Thank
you all for being here again, and I want to
personally thank the five hundred people who subscribe to me
on YouTube. In the first week. Thank you so much.
I got so many requests to start a you know,
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(00:25):
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an episode. Throughout the rest of the year. I'm going
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the entire week. So you get to watch all the
old interviews throughout throughout the entire year, the ones that
you wanted to see, and Coulter and Megan McCain, Margie,
Jayla Green, all of them. And I'm looking forward to

(00:48):
hearing back from you guys and enjoying that and growing
the following following on YouTube. So thank you guys so much. Okay,
tomorrow is election Day, and before I begin, we're going
to have a post election analysis on Thursday's episode with
Zachary Denini, the Great Zachary Deaninni. He was on this podcast.
He's an election and data analysis guy. Super smart kid,

(01:10):
you know, more intelligent than I and he went to
much better schools than I did. So you're going to
get that on Thursday. And if you're one of the
people who has waited this whole time to go vote,
and you said to yourself, I'm only voting on election Day,
I'm not voting early, well, tomorrow is your time to shine,
get out, make your voice heard. We have big elections

(01:30):
across the country, not just in New Jersey, New York City,
in Virginia, we have races throughout Pennsylvania, school board elections
in Douglas County, Colorado. There are very important school board
elections everywhere that are very important. The only elected Republican
and all of Seattle is up for reelection, the DSA,
the Democratic Socials are trying to take over Detroit. And
of course there's lots of different things that my Packs

(01:53):
in seventy six Project Pack is involved with. I think
we have eighty races across the country for school boards.
Local politics matter, and it matters that you show up
Your vote goes a lot further in these elections than presidentials,
and although they are not sexy, they are very critical
to your life. So go vote and bring a friend
if you can. Now, let's discuss last minute polling and

(02:13):
early voting numbers to see how the election is really
shaking up. Okay, first with New York City. I know
a lot of people are like New York who cares,
They're all going to Hell in a hand basket. I
get that sentiment, I understand, but it is the biggest
city in America, so we should cover it. Now. Remember
when I said a week ago that the electric was
very old, that has changed quite a bit. Voters between

(02:34):
the ages of eighteen to twenty nine have already blown
past their twenty twenty one turnout numbers. That's the single
largest group by raw votes is actually voters between the
age of thirty to thirty nine, presumably because to vote
from Mandanni. That's what everyone is sitting there and saying,
it's what the polls, since says, it's what the data says. Fuomo.

(02:57):
In order to pull this upset victory that he's looking
to do, he really needs middle age and older voters
to show up. Young people are coming out in New
York to a higher degree than any other place in
the country. Right now, seven hundred and thirty two thousand
people have voted early. Now, remember the last mayoral election
back in twenty twenty one only had one point one

(03:19):
million votes throughout the whole election, So we're going to
easily blow past that number. We may have got as
high as two point five million votes, probably, though two
point two to two point three million is pretty safe
to say. It is going to be the largest mayoral
turnout by by percentage of registered voters since Giuliani in
nineteen ninety three, but likely by raw numbers, the highest

(03:40):
mayoral turnout ever. A lot of areas that Bendami Mandani
is going to win by Saddam Hussein numbers, and I'm
not making a joke by referencing to two Muslims with
fairly fairly strong beliefs in authoritarianism. But the areas that
he's going to win by Saddam Hussein margins have already
had a pretty big turnout. I started looking at some

(04:01):
preasing data and I'm going to venture to guess some
of those areas already have a majority of their votes
in not all of them, but a lot of them.
For Cuomo to really pull off this upset, he needs
more outer Borough and further away from Manhattan to show
up older voters, black voters, the Bronx Bronx has not
been voting very high, and he needs Republicans. Republicans are

(04:24):
voting about even with Democrats. This percentage of turnout goes,
but he's going to need Republicans to kick it up,
and not because he's going to win a large percentage
of the Republican vote. Otherwise, Mandanni is not only going
to win, he's going to win an outright majority, which
is problematic. It's a big question of is there a
cap on socialism? Is there a cap of Oh? Okay,

(04:44):
they can win democratic primaries and super safe democratic districts
like AOC's, But can they win a competitive election against
a moderate Democrat in a general where Republicans and independence vote.
That's what's on the table in this election. Let's go
to Virginia, which once again they don't vote by party.
Really annoys me. So we can say X number of

(05:06):
Republicans voted or X number of Democrats voted. We can
only judge based upon polling and where the voters are
coming from about one point four million people have voted
early in Virginia between in person voting and mail in voting.
That's a large amount, and that analysts who are really
special specialized in Virginia, they don't believe we're going to

(05:28):
hit the twenty twenty one turnout numbers, which is about
three point three million. Republicans are struggling in the southwest
rural part of the state, coal country that is very Republican,
while Democrats are really having a problem in the black
majority areas around Hampton Roads. That's not going to equalize
each other out. But Republicans really need to out of

(05:50):
Southwest Virginia specifically, really need to kick it up a
notch on election day. Data from L two, which is
a data company, not my favorite in the world, but
they do produces publicly, so it's easy to find this information.
They say this electorate is overwhelmingly older, wider, and more
female than elections have been in the past, which is
really funny because twenty years ago that would have said

(06:11):
it was a Republican victory. Now it's a Democratic victory.
Turnout has been especially strong in the Richmond area of
Richmond Richmond suburbs, with some Republican counties coming out of
the very strongest as far as the turnout goes, and
the very weakest. There'll be a few Republican counties that
will have larger vote totals than they did in twenty
twenty one. According to The New York Times, when you

(06:32):
estimate for how many people have voted in the past
in early voting this election cycle, and you guesstimate where
their voting intentions would be, it's about fifty eight percent
Democrat forty two percent Republican, which is around where it
was in twenty twenty four when Trump lost the state
by six points. Republicans really can Republicans were in the

(06:54):
same position back in twenty twenty one, but they had
such explosive turnout election day that Glenn Youngkin was able
to sit there, win and then carry the entire ticket. Now,
there have been two recent polls that I want to
bring to listeners attention. One is by Atlas Intel. It
is the most accurate polster in the last presidential election
in twenty twenty four. It was also the most accurate pollster.

(07:16):
Interestingly enough, in the mid term elections in Argentina. They
have a very very good track record, they said. Democrat
Abigail Spamberger is leading by nine points for the race
for governor, Democrat Gazala Hashmi is leading in the race
lieutenant governor by six points, and Republican Jason Miariz is
leading the race for attorney general by one point. The

(07:37):
other poster I want to bring everyone's attention is Emerson. Now,
they don't have a perfect track record, but when they're on,
they were like on. They said that the Democrats are
winning by a larger margin, which would carry Democrat Jay Jones,
the very controversial Democrat running for attorney general, over the
finish line by two points, and spam Berger is leading
by eleven points over Republican wins Sears. I personally don't

(08:01):
believe that there's a path for Winsome Seers to win,
but let me tell you why it's so important that
she does well. If this race is in the single
digits for governor, the Republicans will likely carry over the
finish line for attorney general. That'll give the Republicans one
critical win. If Sears loses by a double digit margin,
it will be too large for Jason Miarz to overcome

(08:24):
and that will really suffer for Republicans all throughout the ticket.
That's why you're seeing Republicans spending last minute money for
winsome sears. It's to close the gap in this election.
Let's go to New Jersey last, but not least in
New Jersey. First, let's start off with a new voter
registration data which just came out on Monday. In the
month of October, Republicans added thirty one hundred new registered

(08:49):
voters there to the overall voter roles right, which is
twice as many as the Democrats added. That shows voter enthusiasm.
Independents added eighteen thousand new voters. That means since the
twenty twenty one election, there are one hundred and sixty
seven thousand new Republicans that weren't there in twenty twenty one,

(09:10):
fifty thousand fewer Democrats, and fifty two thousand fewer Independents. Now,
remember Democrats still hold a voter registration advantage of eight
hundred and fifty thousand, but there's a lot more Republicans
that had never had the chance to vote for Chitdarelly
back in twenty twenty one. There are one point three

(09:30):
three four million people who have voted so far early
in this election in New Jersey, with fifty one percent
of them being Democrats, twenty nine percent being Republicans, and
twenty percent being independents. Chitarelly is going to need Republicans
to come out in full force because Democrats have a
two hundred and eighty nine thousand voter advantage in the firewall.

(09:53):
They basically already banked two hundred and eighty nine thousand,
five hundred and fifty two, to be exact, two hundred
and eight nine thousand more votes than Republicans. That which
is why I always say vote early. I know you
might love voting on election day, but this is the game,
and you can't hate you know, don't hate the game,
hate the player. This is you know, this is what's critical.

(10:14):
They have slightly more people. Democrats are already cast bauts
in this election than they did in the twenty twenty
election twenty twenty one election. In twenty twenty one, they
have two hundred and seventy six thousand. This election, they
have two hundred and eighty nine thousand, and Chittarelly lost
by eighty thousand last time. These new one hundred and
sixty thousand Republicans who may just they're slow to the

(10:35):
process there don't really vote early. They need to come
out because that will be what will save Chittarelly if
he has a chance. The only bright spot in the
early vote for Chittarelly is that minorities are really not
showing up in big numbers in the early vote. Preacings
that are a majority white have shown about thirty percent

(10:56):
of all those voters. In majority white districts where Democrats
have shown so, they have a thirty percent voter turnout
Democrats do a majority white precincts versus twenty two percent
for white Republicans or Republicans in white preescs that would
rather say so majority white precincts thirty percent turnout for Democrats.
Among Asians it's twenty six percent, which is perfectly respectable, right.

(11:18):
That's the Democrat turnout in Asian majority precincts. Among Latinos
and Blacks, it's much lower. It's only fourteen percent of
Democrat turnout in Latino majority precincts and only eleven percent
in Black majority precincts. Black voters are the most loyal
voters the Democratic Party. They're going to win about ninety
percent of those votes, maybe eighty five percent, but it's

(11:39):
going to be very very high. So if that turnout
is low and remains low on election day, that's problematic
for Mike Y Cheryl. Mikey Cheryl is going to want
minorities to sit there and pick up and go vote
on election day because they have not voted early. So
this is really where the race stands. The New Jersey Legislature.
Republicans may gain or lose a few seats the governor's mansion.

(12:01):
Mike Cheryl has a bit of a as a lead,
but it's not impossible for Shita a Ready to pull
this out. The attorney general race in Virginia is a
complete jump ball. Republicans can win it, Democrats can win it.
It just depends on how when some Seers does in Virginia.
Even though she's likely to lose, she's got to do
better than ten points. She's got to lose by seven points,

(12:22):
eight point six points, and that will guarantee Jason Yar
as a whim. Now now that we've discussed all of this, right,
I don't want to heart the whole entire show on
just the election, because go vote, Go vote, Go vote,
Go vote. I can't emphasize enough. Go call a friend,
go vote. That's all we can really do at this point,
just vote. I want to talk about the future, namely
the future of the Democratic Party, because something flew under

(12:45):
the radar last week that not many people in the
media paid attention to, but is fascinating, and that is
the Democrats released an official autopsy of the twenty twenty
four election and what went wrong and why they lost,
why they're losing key constituents, and what they have to
do to win in twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight
and beyond. The results are fascinating and I want to

(13:05):
discuss them. We'll be back with that next And now.
Almost everyone, with the exception of the most delusional left
wing partisans, knew that the twenty twenty four election could
be closed, and the average Democrat really thought they were
going to sweak out a victory. They thought that the
Roust Belt would stay blue, that Georgia might break their way.
So with Nevada, they were very hopeful. Especially in the media.

(13:27):
They kind of pretend that this was, you know, going
to make history, and they pretended it was really in
the back I guess that's what they need to do.
But a proper autopsy published by Simon Balazan, Lauren Harper,
Pope and Liam Kerr discuss really went wrong to the
Democratic Party and the report is fascinating. I need to
discuss this with you. The autopsy. It's called Deciding to

(13:48):
Win and here's what it states to give ourselves. They're
talking as Democrats, to give ourselves the best chance to win.
Re recommend the following approach. Democrats need to one focus
on our policy agenda and our messaging on an economic
program centered on lowering costs, growing the economy, creating jobs,
and expanding the social safety net. Advocate for popular economic

(14:09):
policies like expanding prescription drug price negotiations rather than unpopular
ones like student loan forgiveness. Convince voters that we share
their priorities, and focus on issues that voters actually care
about and prioritize them high enough, and focus less less
on issues like climate change, democracy and abortion. You need

(14:29):
to moderate our positions when our agenda is unpopular, including
on issues like immigration, public safety, energy production, and identity issues.
And lastly, embrace a substantive and rhetorical critique of the
outsized political and economic influence of lobbyist corporations and the
ultra wealthy. Okay, this is I agree with almost everything

(14:50):
I said there and said that's their recommendations. I think
that they're completely spot on. But let me dive deeper
in what they present. First, voters think the Democratic Party
is in a extremist party, and they believe the Republican
Party is increasingly a moderate one because Trump moderated the
Republican Party. And let me explain, because that is completely

(15:11):
counterintuitive to everything you've heard in the media. Since twenty twelve,
since Obama's re election, Democratic members of Congress have increasingly
supported left wing legislation. There's a ninety nine percent increase
in Equality Act, fifty six percent increase in the number
of members supporting studies on Reparations, forty seven percent increase
in the number of supporting assault weapons bans, forty percent

(15:32):
increase in the Green New Deal, forty percent increase in
free childcare. The party is moving to the far left
in Congress, and it's true that the party is becoming
more liberal, but it's more importantly perceived as more liberal.
Back in twenty twelve public poll so that forty five
percent of the public so that the Democratic Party was
too liberal. That number has increased to fifty five percent today.

(15:56):
Now the Republican Party started on the same amount forty
seven percent of the Republican Party was too conservative. That
number right before Trump's election has declined to forty four percent.
I know that may not seem like a big difference, right,
but it shows trends. A majority saw the Democratic Party
as the more liberal one, with a declining minority saying

(16:19):
the Republican Party was too conservative. Trump moderated the party right.
And I want to first discuss what do you think
when you hear the word moderate political moderate? Right, you
probably think of Susan College or Joe Manshan, or someone
who basically is a member of the establishment of their
party that breaks with them once in a while on

(16:39):
big issues like they support border security but amnesty for
illegal aliens if they are a Republican, or they support
Obamacare but not Medicare for all, they're a Democrat. That
is not what a moderate is. In twenty fourteen, there
was a study by the University of California at Berkeley,
and they looked at what political beliefs of moderates. What
are the political poliefs and moderates, and it found that

(17:00):
moderates rarely take a middle of the road position. Moderates
are very inconsistent, but they hold on to quote unquote
extreme ideological positions. That's their wording, not mine. During a
one hundred and thirty four question survey, they found that
self described moderates took at least one extreme position seventy

(17:22):
one percent of the time when they asked off it
certain issues, because back in twenty fourteen, so you know,
issues were a little different. Moderates took left wing positions
on contraception, education, marijuana, medicare, and social security, very right
wing positions on immigration, and center right or right leaning
issues on unions, the environment, and abortion. Number twenty fourteen

(17:43):
different laws. I don't think the abortion thing would be
the same today, but that's what it was in twenty fourteen.
Moderates do not take middle of the road positions on
every issue. They pick in shoes. You know, it's cafeteria moderates, moderation.
It's you know, I'll take this one, I'll take that one,
but not this one. That's what Trump ran on. Remember
he went to the right on immigration. This is twenty sixteen,

(18:04):
right on immigration, center on economics with tax cuts and tariffs,
and then he went to the left on healthcare, like
he said, we're going to repeal Obamacare, but we're going
to take care of everybody. He really didn't have a
laisez faire free market Paul Ryan approach to healthcare. That's
important to remember. The Democrats just ran to the left,
considerably to the left on every issue. It wasn't enough

(18:27):
that Biden wanted taxpayer funding for funded healthcare for illegal aliens,
Kamala wanted government funded transurgeries for illegal aliens. Right. There
was no stopgap. There was no endless move into the left.
Democrats this is, according to their autopsy, focus increasingly on
issues that very few people cared about except the far left,

(18:48):
and made them feel like they were out of touch
with the American people. Issues like race, sex, sexual identity,
and DEI exploded in the usage of the DNC platform
between twenty twelve and twenty twenty four. While we're it's
like economy, middle class deficits, fathers responsibility declined substantially in
twenty thirteen of n D percent of voters. So the

(19:08):
Republican Party was out of touch and that felled a
sixty five percent by twenty twenty four. At the same time,
the number of voters who said that Democrats were out
of touch when from fifty one to seventy. When asked
what voters want the Democratic Party to prioritize, they sat
protecting social security and medicare, lowering cost, creating jobs, making
health care affordable. You know what they do not want

(19:30):
them to focus on, according to the study, protecting illegal aliens,
raising taxes to spend on more social programs, fighting climate change,
and protecting lgbtkey rights. I'm going to say, it's just
transgender stuff, right. It's not gay marriage, it's transgender stuff.
The party reflects the priorities right now of college educated,
mostly white women primarily, and guests. You know which voters

(19:50):
they gained. They gained college educated white women. They guess
which voters they lost everyone else, but especially they lost
moderates support among martyrs to climb by eleven percent. The
report says, quote, as we have shifted our positions and
our priorities, voters have increasingly come to see our party
as too liberal, insufficiently focused on the economy, border security,

(20:13):
and crime, and overly focused on climate change, democracy, abortion,
identity and culture, defund the police, transitioning kids, and the
anti man rhetoric killed the Democratic Party before Kamma was
ever the nominee. Making matters worse the Democrats, as report says,
is that the Democratic staffers and donors, the people who
oftimes the last word with elected officials before they take

(20:35):
votes on critical issues, the ones who help draft policy.
They are to the left of the average, not only
of the average voter, but of the average Democrat. They
are making the party more out of touch. They overwhelmingly
come from demographics that are overly college educated, overly white,
more female, less likely to attend church. This is part

(20:57):
of the beast of the of the machine. Feeding the
beast is these groups of people that the Democratic Party
is dependent on. This study found that Democrats who were
spouse very far lep leads endorsed by Bernie Sanders, Our
Revolution or the Squad on average and house races did
five percent worse than the median Democrat will those endorsed

(21:19):
by blue dog Democrats about five points better. Now, the
one thing I found super interesting about the report was
that the Democrats supposed to Democrats if you listen to
like psychotic leptist podcasts like I do just out of
clear enjoyment and because I have the need to harm
myself like that. But if you listen to far Let,
they always send the twenty foint four election. Don't worry.

(21:41):
We have this ground game, the ground game, the ground game.
We have this Kamala Harris ground game. The study found
that the ground game had absolutely no effect in helping
Kamala Harris. It says these two points. Academic research shows
the field programs like canvassing and phone banking have minimal
impact on changing voters' minds and small impacts on increasing
voter Turnoutultimately, there is little evidence to suggest that our

(22:02):
party will be able to overcome its problems by knocking
on more doors. It cannot persuade voters with our policy
agenda and our message. We are unlikely to be able
to win via our quote unquote ground game. Ultimately, this
is the second point. Ultimately, persuasion and turnout go together.
Voters across the political spectrum and across demographic lines want

(22:23):
Democrats to focus on costs of living and the best
messaging and the most popular policies which tend to focus
on kitchen table economic issues appeal to the voters of
all kinds, including both swing state voters and sporadic voters.
They also state that there is a liberal bias in
polling when the polls are asking about policies, so you
can't even trust the polling when I say issues on

(22:43):
immigration or issues on abortion, there's a liberal bias which
substantially overstates support for liberals. This is the Democratic autopsy
saying this. This is not Ryan Gerdowski. Overall voters trust
Republicans more on border security, immigration, crime, the budget, in flight,
and international trade. Most trusted issues for Democrats are LGBT rights,

(23:05):
the environment, and climate change. Issues that so few people
rank their top three that you could fit them all
out of booth at Armies. That's what they care about.
This is and they excuse me. They ask the most
popular Democratic policies by net support by the American public.
I'm going to run down a quick list. This is
the top ten most popular Democratic policies. Expanding prescription drug

(23:28):
negotiations beyond medicare, banning congressional stock trading, expanding Medicare prescription
drug prices from ten to twenty five drugs, Expanding Medicare
to cover dental vision and hearing, prevent any cuts of
social Security and medicare, Expand mental health programs for veterans,
Increase social security benefits for low income seniors, raise them
in wage twelve dollars an hour, crack down on a

(23:49):
state tax evasion, and protecting interstate abortion access. These are
the least popular issues. Abolish the police, abolish prisons, provide
free healthcare toate legal aliens, lowering voter age to six team,
cutting the police budgets, getting rid of getting rid of
tracking in public schools, increasing refugees emissions, restoring a front
of action in college, abolishing the death penalty, increasing taxes

(24:11):
by three percent on Americans making more than seventy five
thousand dollars. That's all I heard from Kamala Harris. All
I heard from mainstream. All you hear from mainstream Democrats
on their podcasts and on their television shows are the
ten unpopular issues. I mean, how much more did Rachel
Maddow talk about, you know, abolishing the police or lowering

(24:33):
the voting agent she did about, I don't know, expanding
medicare to cover dental It was not even close. They
are completely out of touch from what the voters actually want. Now,
I know you're probably saying, what one of the most
popular Republican issues. I'm going to go over it just briefly,
because I know you're probably curious. The most popular Republican policies,
according to the Democratic Autopsy are number one, designating cartels

(24:56):
as terrorist organizations, prohibiting transgender women from competing in women's sports,
eliminating taxes on Social Security, cut taxes by three percent
on Americans making less than one hundred thousand dollars a year,
requiring id to vote, banning gender affirming care for minors,
lowering the gas tax by ten per cents per gallon,
increasing police funding, imposing work requirements on Medicaid, and ending

(25:18):
all government benefits for illegal aliens. H things I hear
Republicans talk about. I don't know every forty five seconds.
What are the most unrepopular Republican policies? Banning birth controls
something that no Republican talks about, Launching a national Trump
branded cryptocurrency. I mean, I also very rarely hear that
ban IVF. Republicans don't support that. In large extend the

(25:40):
Trump twenty seventeen tax cut to high earners. I've said
this to congressional Republicans before raising the retirement age, cutting
social Security and medicare to eliminate fraud, take Maifa Preston
off the market. I never heard that that was an issue.
Prohibit shipment of abortion inducing drugs canceled Biden's AI right now,

(26:00):
something that I probably agree with them and leave NATO.
Democrats don't just have a perception problem. They have a
polling problem. They have a staffing problem, they have a
party base problem. They're not in good position to address
those issues in time for twenty twenty eight. And the
best I mean, I don't wish this, but the best

(26:21):
that the Democrats could hope for at this point is
that the economy crashes because their base, their donors, their
staffers are incredibly out of touch, and any Democrat trying
to back off of their issues is suffering a primary challenge.
Next up on this podcast is Ask Me Anything. Stay
tuned now it's time for the Ask Me Anything segment.

(26:43):
If you want to be part of the Ask Me Anything segment,
email me ryanat numbers gamepodcast dot com. Guys, I love
your questions. It really makes this show special, you know.
I like to hear from what you're thinking what your
concerns are, what your questions are, and there's no topic
off issues. I mean, they're probably not, but there there's
likely no topics office. She just keep it clean. Okay.

(27:04):
This cut question comes from Joel. He says, what's your
take on Christian nationalism as a label. Is it worth salvaging,
redefining or should we just retire it altogether? To me,
it's one of those if by whiskey terms. When I
say I want a nation shape by Christian moral values faith,
family and humility, courage, justice, I get accused of theocracy.
But when leftists call for state fund and morality projects

(27:26):
or enforced DEI through federal grants, it's treated as neutral.
We are passed you for an honest framework. Okay, great question,
And first of all, I want to say that I
read the document you sent me and it was very interesting,
but I'm not going to go through it on the show.
The term Christian nationalism is very interesting to me because
it's mentioned in the media a lot, but I don't
really know what it means, and I'm not trying to

(27:47):
be cute. I really don't know what it means. I
looked it up and Basically, it infuses the identity of
being a Christian with that of being an American, and
that we are founded by Christian ideas and principles. And
according to Grock, Christian nationalists want to use the Bible
as a blueprint for America and in policies want certain
Christian principles to reflect the law. Okay, I'm going to
work with that concept because I don't know a better one.

(28:08):
It's not like somebody has written like the clear Definition is,
like the sixteen nineteen project. It's it's kind of hard
to follow. First of all, I don't think using the
Bible as a blueprint works, mostly because all Christians don't
follow the same Bible. We don't interpret the Bible the
same way we do all don't you know, pick issues
which parts of the Bible we want to follow. Is

(28:29):
Christian nationalism going to forbid the eating of shellfish or
slavery or child marriage or all some stuff that's in
the Bible. I'm not putting down the Bible. I'm not
putting out Christianity, but that it's very difficult to create
a law on the land based upon a book written
in dead languages several thousand years ago. Do you understand

(28:51):
what I'm saying? It gets very confusing, and I don't
know how it deals with other issues like AI or
other issues like voting intentions, or other issues like immigration.
The Bible doesn't address every issue we're facing in twenty
twenty five America. And there's things in the Bible as
fairly antiquated now that we wouldn't want. And I don't
say that Jesus Christus spouses beliefs, but I'm saying that

(29:12):
there are in certain Old Testament parts of those things. Now,
my opinion on faith is that and I've talked a
little bit about it, but not a lot. I might
do a Christmas episode talking about faith, but my opinion
on faith is that it is a journey, is on
a guilt trip, and we cannot and we can have
certain morals that we carry out by the state we
already do. Right children, for example, do not have the
same rights as adults, and rightfully so we kind of

(29:33):
have arbitrary ages that we made up that sixteen, eighteen
and twenty one views you as being a partial and
then full adult, and like I guess a adult plus
you know twenty one you get to do all the
full things, and we have laws over polygamy, for example.
We have our own morals in part of the law,
and I think given where we are as a society today,
it is very difficult to make that universal. And I'm

(29:56):
a great believer in self determination. I believe what is
services we could really hope for is we can have
a government that allows Christian communities to do things like
school prayer, like public celebration of Christian holidays, like certain
types of things, and types of laws that really reflect
their morals and their standards. And we don't make you know,
New York City do them, or San Francisco do them.

(30:18):
But if a part of the Heartland or part of
the South wanted to do that, I think that they
should have every right to do it. I think that
that should be completely fine, that they have self determination
in many different aspects. I think the problem a lot
of our Supreme Court decisions is that they made rules
for the whole country that don't reflect the entire country,
and that a democratic process would be a lot better,

(30:41):
you know, addressing things like school prayer for example. Now, anyway,
as far as creating a Christian nationalism, I don't think
it's very inclusive I think it's very exclusionary, especially when
you want to big tent. There are a lot of
people of different faiths and of no faiths who are
similar travels to us politically and have our overall moral compass,

(31:02):
and we shouldn't sit there and excise them because they
feel conflicted over not being Christians. Right. Sir Roger Scruten
one of the great philosophers of recent time who passed
away a few years ago. He wrote so eloquently about
Western civilization and the beauty of Catholic churches and the
beauty of Christian morals. But he was an atheist and
he died in Atheists. He lived as an atheist. Now

(31:23):
he was an atheist and he was British right. But
if he wanted to live in America, would he be
excluded because he's not Christian? Because he would have been
an asset. He would have followed and believed in what
we believe in. And I think that that is I
think the need for a kind of moral compass that
encompass con conservatives is very important. But maybe the term

(31:44):
Christian nationalism is not the one I looked up some
polling in between only five to thirteen percent of Americans
identify with that term and support that term. I mean
even though much larger Americans agree with the policies that
they made, like oh, a majority of Americans believe in
school prayer for example, Right, So I would say focus
on the policy goals, not on the term. I don't

(32:04):
think it's how you're going to advance any of your causes.
I think when it comes to policies, things should be tangible,
easy to understand, and they should should try to create
a more prosperous, ordered, and safe society. So that's my
thoughts on it. Anyway, Thank you so much for listening
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(32:25):
Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. I will see
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