November 4, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful mix of Election Day analysis, breaking news, and historical perspective. The hosts revisit the stakes in New York City’s mayoral race, the Virginia and New Jersey governor contests, and California’s Proposition 50, warning that Democrats will frame any wins as a repudiation of Donald Trump’s presidency despite these being deep-blue strongholds. Clay and Buck emphasize the importance of voting and highlight how Democrats use emotional manipulation—rather than real solutions—to distract from failures on crime, cost of living, and governance.
The hour takes a sharp turn into national security history with news of former Vice President Dick Cheney’s passing, sparking a candid discussion on the Iraq War, its legacy, and how Trump’s early criticism of that conflict reshaped the Republican Party. Buck shares firsthand experiences from deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, underscoring the complexity of wartime decisions and debunking myths about Cheney’s alleged war profiteering. The conversation expands to parallels with COVID-era mismanagement, questioning whether Democrats will ever admit mistakes as Republicans did with Iraq.
On the cultural front, the hosts dissect Gavin Newsom’s political ambitions, his viral comments on honesty, and the likelihood of a Newsom–AOC ticket if Zohran Mamdani’s socialist surge in New York signals a broader trend. They also spotlight Kamala Harris’s press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, criticizing her repeated use of identity politics as a shield against accountability. Schwarzenegger’s remarks on California gerrymandering and Prop 50 add depth to the discussion on election integrity and demographic shifts favoring red states.
Clay promotes his new book “Balls”, endorsed by President Trump, while engaging listeners on themes of cultural resilience and conservative values. The hour closes with urgent reminders to vote in key races nationwide, from mayoral contests to school boards, as these decisions will shape America’s future on crime, housing, and economic freedom.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We cover a lot. We're gonna keep covering a lot
because we've got the New York City mayor's election, the
governor's races in Virginia and New Jersey. Go vote, go vote.
I voted for my Miami Beach mayor here and and commissioners.
Clay voted for Franklin Aldermstle or the aldermen or whatever
over there. I'm not even sure exactly what the Alderman does,
(00:20):
but I went and voted. Uh yeah, you got to
make sure you got the right alderman or else. All
hell's going to break loose, and you know, you might
have some I don't even know what going on in
in the town of Franklin. You know, you could have people,
you could have people where I live a little bit,
as you say, you could have people thinking they can
just drive the golf cart all the way into town,
(00:43):
like what's going on? You know, civilization, friends, we can't
just let these things happen. So yeah, we are going
to follow this. UF also talk a little bit about
California where Gavin Newsom. So much of this is it's interesting,
it's just it's just tapping into Democrat frustration. Clay, I
think that's in all of these races.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's certainly true.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Virginia, New York, in California and New Jersey where Democrats
feel like their party has been because it has been
outplayed by Trump and the Republicans. They're losing and losing
and losing again this year in their opposition to Trump
and their opposition to his agenda. So this is just
(01:23):
an opportunity to vent their spleen a bit with a
vote against whatever the Republican option is. I don't think
it really even gets in for most people. I don't
think it real even gets into what they think is
going to happen here, because cost of living is such
a big thing in New York, in California and Virginia too,
(01:44):
especially if you get closer to DC, and Democrats will
make it worse. Guaranteed, they will make it worse because
even what they do to make it seem like it
might improve in the short term is to just squeeze
the balloon at one side, right, to redistribute the well,
to find some way to subsist. And we see this
with Obamacare, which I still wish people would pay more
(02:07):
attention to this play. We're still in a shutdown everybody,
which is gonna end after the election, all ties in,
I might add, right, Democrats government shut down, getting people frustrated,
making people think, oh, the Democrats are standing up, they're fighting. Well,
what are they fighting for? Exactly? Like, how are they
making anyone's life better? Ah, forget about that. They're fighting.
(02:28):
Its emotional manipulation in place of an argument. It's very effective,
unfortunately in mass psychology and mass politics. But the Democrat
offerings on all this stuff, like Obamacare specifically, is to
ignore market reality and to make promises that they can't keep.
And you're gonna see a lot more of that. Gavin Newsome. Meanwhile,
(02:49):
I didn't get to yesterday, Clay. I meant this is
a little bit of a pickup because I'm about to
talk about public safety. We talked about DC in the
crime situation there and how who was it it was.
Nora O'Donnell was like, well, I just go to work
and I don't know if it's safer on the streets
because she doesn't want to admit it on camera. That
Trump is right. The murder rate since Trump has tried
to do his security plan in DC is down sixty percent, okay,
(03:14):
six zero percent dropping the murder rate, and all crime
is down substantially almost thirty percent I think in DC
year to date, with a big chunk of that coming
since Trump. So it is working. It's not perfect, but
it's working. No one thought it would be perfect, meaning
that there'd be no murders or no crime, but it's
substantially improving the situation. Meanwhile, you know what Gavin Newsom's
(03:35):
worried about, not whether people feel safe on the streets
or they're going to be harassed by some maniac, but
of course immigration play nineteen.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
People are on edge, communities of color on edge. I
mean folks scared to death to go out trick or
treating the other night, Scared to walk their dogs, go
to a playground, go to a park, go to a
loved one's funeral, because they might be disappeared on the
basis of what they look like, where they congregate, the
language they speak. In the United States of America today,
(04:04):
you've heard notion of a private police force that appears
to have taken oath office to the President of the
United States, not to the United States Constitution.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
All just just hyperbolic, fear mongering blather. Are they illegals?
And also this notion they're being disappeared. They're not being disappeared.
They're being detained, processed and returned to their country three
flight back to where they actually should be.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I think we just have to prepare for this. I would.
I know it's still a.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Year away from the midterms, and I know we're not
going to start the twenty twenty eight presidential cycle until January.
It's going to be Newsome. It's going to be Newsome.
It's gonna be Newsome, and he's gonna lie blatantly like this.
Do we still have Gavin Newsom? I don't think we
played it yesterday, but we play Newsom saying the one
(04:58):
let's met Greg you can grab that. I think we
had it yesterday, but when Newsom said it went megaviral.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I hate when politicians.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Lie, you know, and he's like moving his hands and
moving his face awkwardly, and it's just so diabolically sinister,
because I don't know that anybody lies more than Newsome.
And by the way, there's a difference between getting a
factor too wrong in sort of hyperbole and blatantly lying,
(05:30):
and Gavin Newsom is just such a blatant liar. And
the reality is I think you have to have a
blatant liar on the ticket because Democrats are wrong about everything.
I mean, they really are, by and large. It used
to be you could be a reasonable person and you
could look at the two parties and you could say, hey,
(05:51):
you know what, I disagree with my party on this
perspective or this issue, even though I might vote the
other way. I can't even think of what Democrats are.
It used to be Democrats would say, hey, we know healthcare.
They're destroying everything having.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
To do with insurance. Nobody can't even afford healthcare anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
If you are looking for something that Republicans and this
could have time to another news item that Republicans I
think look back on and say, Okay, we actually got
that one wrong. I think it's the Iraq War as
a party, which Trump among others have said that was
the we were on the wrong side. We weren't on
the wrong side of Afghanistan a post nine eleven, but
(06:31):
the Iraq War thing. But the thing about the Republicans
there is Democrat establishment went along with it too. Yeah, right,
the Hillary Clinton, all that, you know, the Schumer, all
the Democrats were in favor of it. As well, but
it was the charge was led by a Republican administration
to be fair, and that included Dick Cheney, who just
passed away. And we haven't mentioned this, but Dick Cheney
(06:51):
just five what is the eighty four? I think he
just died in early this morning, early morning. Yeah, at
last twenty four hours he passed away. I remember meeting
the Vice president on several occasions when he was the
Vice president in the Oval Office, and I will tell you, Clay,
it was we had multiple wars going on a very
different Oval Office experience as a young CIA analyst briefing
(07:14):
then Vice President Cheney than what we got when Clay
and Bucks show up to hang out with Trump in
the Oval I mean just night. And it didn't even
feel like the same movie set, the same universe. It's
just a totally different feeling. There was an intensity and
a solemnity under those Bush years because of nine to
eleven and everything else. And you walked in there and
(07:35):
you made sure your jacket and tie were crisp, and
it was yes, mister President. Nos President. You know, we
went in there and saw Trump, but he's like we
got the owner of the Saints, come on in here,
we got JD. We got you know. It was it
was like, we will check out the new guilt that
I put in the you know, cabinet was showing us
cool stuff. He's like, isn't a beautiful look at this painting?
Redid this painting? Beautiful painting. It was just a very
(07:55):
different feeling. But Yeah, Dick Cheney passed away. He became
very contrayr I think, more controversial actually in some ways
after he left office, with the legacy of the Iraq War.
And also to be fair, he and his daughter refused
endorsing Kamala over Trump in the twenty twenty I knew
his daughter did. I actually forgot that he did until
(08:17):
you just mentioned that to me now, which is insane. Yeah,
that's that's personal bitterness overriding political. Look, I think he
just passed away. And I know we're not supposed to
speak ill of the dead. I'm not going to. I'm
not trying to speak ill of someone who just passed away.
I think Dick Cheney was a patriot. I think he
loved his country, and I think he did what he
thought was best for the country. And I think a
(08:38):
lot of the stuff that was used to attack him
about how it was like he was enriching him that
that actually wasn't and even the unitary chief executive attacks
on Dick Cheney, I mean, those are he believed that
the president had the authority to make important decisions. I
was in the Oval office, and I could tell you
that the vice press watching them make decisions and discuss
at various points, and the vice president was deferential to
(09:02):
George W. Bush as president, this notion that he was
the puppet master and buch Bush the media this because
they could get away with this class. I'm not trying
to get diverted. I now we got election day here,
but I think the media lied to people so much
about George W. Bush that they have this complete They weren't,
you know, because of Trump and the way he did
(09:22):
things by going right to them and bypassing the media.
People's conception of who George W. Bush is a lot
of just every day and Eric is a complete caricature.
The guy was not dumb. The guy was not shy
about leadership and making decisions and was actually very on.
He wasn't a scholar of Middle Eastern history, you know.
(09:43):
But guess what neither is Kamala or Biden or any
of them, right, But the notion that he was some
sort of buffoon and was bumbling in an idiot is absurd,
not true at all. And not only that, I mean,
it's it's funny. They remember early in Trump two point zero,
it did at work because it's Trump. You can't call
somebody a dictator and then be like they tried to
(10:05):
say that Trump wasn't president. Remember they tried to say
president elon. They tried to demean the person in the
chief executive office, the president of the United States. And
so the argument when Bush was there was o' cheney's
the actual president. They tried to argue, Oh, Trump's there,
Elon's the president. You ever hear anybody argue that Obama
(10:26):
wasn't the president when Obama was in office. You ever
hear anybody argue Clinton wasn't the president when Clinton was
in office, whatever you thought of their vice president. Now,
to be fair, during Biden, people may have accurately said,
it's actually Obama who's still president. To be fair, during Clinton,
there may have been moments where he was busy, otherwise occupied,
(10:48):
not really indisposed of the country. Indisposed would be one
thing you could say about phil Clinton, but I think
so chan Cheney passed away. The guy he did have
a remark arkable career, and I do think I think
the best thing that can be said for him, or
the things that can be said for him, is he
loved his country and he tried. But he was wrong
(11:08):
on some big stuff. And unfortunately he got particularly wrong
towards the end about about Trump and the and the
you know, the the trajectory of the country. I think,
and I think it was personal because of the repudiation
of bush Cheney by Trump.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
He was in people are gonna get mad at me
there because he's a warmonger. I'm trying to think I
just died. I'm trying to be charitably. He served his
country for many, many years, and I think he loved America.
He was willing to go to the mat against the Jihatis,
I will tell you that, and we needed people that
were to go to the mat. You can love your
country and make awful decisions. Correct, those aren't opposite things.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And I think that the.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
People always throw Nevill Chamberlain under the bus. Yeah, was
he wrong about how things to go with the Nazis? Sure,
but people forget that World War One had just destroyed
an entire generation of Europe, including Englishmen and people from
the United Kingdom, and he was hoping we wouldn't have
to do that again.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
He may have had the remedy, but he didn't want
to go to war. I mean, this reasonable thing to do,
and to be fair, I read the oral history recently
in the last year or so of nine to eleven
because I wanted to re experience that. Remember, they thought
the White House was going to get hit and Cheney
(12:21):
was underground monitoring nine to eleven while Bush was up
in Air Force one and nobody could get in touch
with him because they were trying to keep him safe.
People forget this because they always think now of KSM.
Khaliche Sheik Mohammad and his like you know, pulled t
shirt and getting arrested and all this stuff. They were
planning multiple nine elevens, and that's real.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
That is fact.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
They were going to keep coming at us with all
kinds of stuff. The War on Terror was absolutely necessary,
and those of you who thought it should always remember
that and always feel honored in your service for the
fact that they were coming for us. It wasn't just
nine to eleven. There was more after that, and yeah,
it was the fight against It wasn't perfect, no war,
the fight is never going to be perfect, but it
was a necessary one. It was Iraq that was the
(13:05):
expansion of it that I think was a strategic miscalculation.
But I don't think the people that said, I mean,
I got hit with this even a while back, was
on a podcast, people said, oh, it was also Cheney
could make money through Haliburton. That's actually not that's actually
not true. Yeah, you can say that he was a
warmonger and he made the wrong decision and it was terrible,
but he actually didn't do this to make money through
(13:25):
Haliburton for himself. And I just I like the criticisms
to be rooted in reality. One thing that stood out
to me is I reread to experience the history of
nine to eleven. That is really kind of crazy to
think about. Is there was almost no communication to the
president because Air Force one wasn't able to get telephone signals.
They weren't able. Obviously, the Internet was not in place.
(13:48):
They've got spotty every now and then television, so Cheney
had to manage much of nine to eleven because the
president they were afraid of where the next strike might be.
He was just up in the air. They didn't have
any idea. And so I would encourage you to go
back and do some reading about that day. They could
have had fifty planes hijacked, given how easy it was
(14:10):
to hijack the ones that they did, they could have
had fifty of those planes turned into essentially massive guided
missiles with hundreds of innocents aboard. We had, you know,
I mean, it's crazy to think about the worst terrorist
attack ever in history, and it actually could have been
a lot worse. Yes, yes, and it would, by the way,
it would have been worse if not for those those
(14:35):
brave souls fill Pennsylvania on United That's exactly right. Let's roll.
If that beamer I believe was a topman I think,
or a beaman or beamer, you may be right. If
it's not, it's not for him. And saying let's roll
that plane ends up, we have a smoldering United States
Capital or White House. Everybody, that's how close you were.
(14:56):
United Flight ninety three. I think to if I'm getting
remembering now, but to be you know, to be fair
to Cheney's memory, we needed a wartime consolieri, so to speak.
After nine to eleven. I'm not saying that everything was
good or right, but I mean the guy. The guy
did step up and a lot of bad guys needed
to be taken off the battlefield.
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Gavin Newsom saying, boy, he just really hates liars. Here
is Gavin Newsom. Let's listen.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Nothing I dislike more than the politician that sits there
and lies to you.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
And we all just sit there rolling our eyes. Go
and give me a break.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I'm telling you. I mean, it is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It's so ridiculous to watch this entire campaign play out
where he just lies about everything that he's ever done
and refuses to take responsibility for it. I have to say,
if it does turn into jade E versus Newsom, it's
gonna be, it's gonna be good TV. It's going to
be an interesting matchup. And I still think that you know,
(17:03):
we agree on this, and usually I would pick something
else just so we could argue over it. But I
still think it's probably aoc is VP makes the most sense,
especially seeing what's going mom Donnie wins New York. That
shows you that the blue centers socialism plays great and
helps with turnout. And then Gavin Newsom does his whole
sweet talking the uh you know, ladies of the Purple States,
(17:26):
and all of a sudden you have a real formidable
cant a real formidable ticket. It doesn't have to be
that good. Commoning lost by two hundred and fifty thousand votes.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
That is horrible. That's what's scared. And I remember that.
That's what you guys.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
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Speaker 2 (17:39):
Hey, they should make a movie about that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
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in a second, but here we go. I knew i'd
get some of these, Clay, so I'll address one VIP
email from Patrick Buck is absolutely delusional to say Chaney
didn't get rich off. Iraq KBR got billions of dollars
(19:07):
in no bid contracts in Iraq. Cheney was part of Halliburton,
which owned KBR. I did multiple deployments in both Iraq
and Afghanistan. Iraq War was a fraud. Let's work backwards
on this one. Iraq War was a mistake. I said,
so you're saying so, I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So there we go.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That's we have agreement there. We should not have done it.
Biggest mistake the Republican Party has made in the twenty
first century, in my opinion, multiple deployments. Thank you for
your service, Thank you for putting your life on the
line for your country and doing what was necessary in
a moment where the country was in fact under substantial
threat and did have enemies abroad that sought to do
his harm. And then on the no bid contracts, Dick
(19:46):
Cheney divested all shares in all the shares that he
owned in Halliburton before he took office in two thousand.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
All of it.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So that was before nine to eleven. Mind you don't,
I don't know what else. This is all there's there's
there's records of this, so you can check this out.
I don't know what else anyone wants me to say.
There was some deferred compensation of of like a couple
million dollars that was paid afterwards. But Cheney had already
(20:22):
he sold his stock for like forty million bucks, and
that was in nineteen ninety nine or two thousand dollars,
so it'd be like selling it for close to eighty
million dollars today. He didn't care about the two million
dollars in deferred compensation everybody, So I understand people get
very passionate about these things, but there's just facts and
there's record, and the record is he did not own
Trust me, they would have told you if he continued
(20:43):
to own Haliburton's stock while that was actually happening. He
had to divest from Halliburton when he went into government,
and that is what happened. And he just made awful
decisions as it pertained to Irrack. I'm not I'm not
defending any of his decisions. It's terrible. The Rocky Reconstruction
(21:05):
was an absolute debacle. They had incompetent people, the Iraq
War on false premises, that's all. But it wasn't to
make Dick Cheney richer than he already was before he
became vice president. Everybody. I just I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
To tell you.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You show me the show me the data, or show
me the facts to prove otherwise, that's all. If you
show me that Dick Cheney actually sold twenty million dollars
of Haliburton stock in two thousand and three, I will
come on here and say, oh my gosh, I'm sorry
I was wrong about this. I don't know why they
were so effective. It was all the Daily Show. They
(21:39):
were so effective at selling this narrative that Cheney did
it for Halliburton. It was that was not true. He
did it for other reasons that maybe are very bad,
and it was a big mistake. He did not do
it to get rich off of Halliburton. Read the Internet, everybody,
It is there for you to see. So here's a
question for you about this. Since people are fired up,
(22:00):
most people I would imagine listening to us right now
agree that the Iraq War was a bad decision. In fact,
I would argue to you, I know this was true
for me. The first time I said this Trump guy
is actually pretty interesting was when he went after the
decision to go to war in Iraq before anybody else
(22:21):
in the Republican Party had been willing to do so
in that summer of twenty fifteen big time Republican debate
that Megan Kelly moderated when he went after Rosie O'Donnell.
The part of going after the Iraq War, which I
think you're correct on, Buck, is what broke and embittered
Dick Cheney to such an extent and Liz Cheney as
(22:41):
well on some level to eventually say that Trump is
the unique threat to the Republic and come out against
him and endorse Kamala Harris of all things. But most
people in the Republican Party and most people I think
in America now say the Iraq War was a mistake
the way it was implemented. A lot of you served
in it, who are listening to us right now. But
(23:03):
you were in Afghanistan. I mean you were in Afghanistan.
I deployed to Moses, I deployed to Bagdad, I deployed
to Afghanistan. I saw some of these garden spots up
close and personally. Yeah, So let me ask you this.
Will Democrats ever acknowledge that they screwed up COVID like
Republicans have acknowledged that they screwed up Iraq?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
No, because they would do it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I truly well, actually that would be an interesting conversation
because there is a concern over a return. There is
a concern, and I understand it. And I think this
even ties into why there's such a venom about Cheney
and the war profiteering thing, which again my position is
not that Cheney was some grand architect of a great
(23:44):
war that should have been fought. My position is he
did really incredibly dumb things, but he actually didn't do
those dumb things per se to get rich. He did
differ because he thought he was making the right decision,
which is not different if you go back in time
to Robert McNamara during the Vietnam War. McNamara later came
out and said, I blew it effectively, uh, in the
(24:04):
way that they implemented that. And if you study war,
it's actually very common for people to think that they're
making the right decision and they end up making the
wrong decision because war is tough and making decisions on
the on the spur of the moment to be judged
by history for generations.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I'm I'm a Civil War history nerd.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
People still mock decisions made at Chickamauga, you know, all
the way back in eighteen sixty three or Lee at Gettysburg.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I mean, people still argue about it.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You can, you know, come at you. You can come
at Jess Jefferson Davis with a lot of very valid criticism.
But he did not fight the war because of his
position on trans rights. That's all, you know, right that
that wasn't it right? So we just have to stay
in the facts. We have to stay within the reality.
And with the Cheney situation, it's just it's became such
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a thing where everyone says, oh, it's because anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And I'm not some big they were.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
By now I sound like I'm the big Chendy. It
was the biggest mistake of a twenty first century. But
he didn't make it to get rich. He made it
because he made it huge errors well in judgment, and honestly,
it was an error in judgment that was very liberal
in nature, because the idea, in my mind was the
neocon aspect of we're going to create a democracy in
Iraq that is similar to the democracy that we have
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in the United States was clearly a impractical, impossible goal,
even more preposterous honestly in Afghanistan too, or that that
was where the mistake was made as well in that mission.
But I do think that there is a considerable to
your point about COVID. There is a concern on the right,
broadly speaking, that without Trump at the helm of the party,
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we could return to an interventionist, neo Khan foreign policy.
And I get that, and I understand a lot of
people who fought those wars, including by the way, nothing
but respect for our Vip Patrick and thank you for
your deployments. Just have to clear up that one fact.
And if I'm wrong on that fact, someone showed me
how I'm wrong on the fact. But did Dick Cheney
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did not make a lot of money after he took office,
Just to be very clear, from stock in Halliburton or KBR,
that is not true. He made a lot of money
before he took office. And you can argue, well, I mean,
I don't know like that. He's just like it, loves
the war profiteers and genuine wants to spread the wealth
through his buddies. But he did not make money personally
from that. So and I think it's important we stick
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with fact.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I think that's true.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I think he genuinely thought, again patriotically, he was making
the right decision, and he made totally the wrong decision,
which is actually it's been an interest in the Middle
East had been a mess for you know, post World
War two, Middle East has just been one series of
conflicts and mess after another. And this was the uh,
you know, the Bush Cheney idea post nine to eleven.
(26:52):
And this is very complicated and much bigger discussion than
we have time for right now. But it was essentially,
instead of mowing the grass, maybe we got a you know,
plant something new. Maybe we've got to go with a
whole new direction, and that means regime change and nation building.
And we tried it and it failed, and it was
a bad idea in my opinion, and I think the
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opinion of certainly the opinion of Donald Trump and MAGA
and the right. But I just think that the hit.
We should stay clear on what the history, as I said,
Jefferson Davis not fighting for trans rights, like, we have
to stay clear on what the you know, the history
of different figures and what the actual arguments were. So anyway,
I knew that I knew that Cheney thing would get
(27:34):
some We're gonna get more emails about this too. Uh,
people get very passionate about this still. But yeah, the
guy passed away and it's a different Republican party now,
and that's why I think he also went for Like
to go for Kamala is really just now you're just
gonna burn down. You're gonna burn down everything that you've
stood for because you're so bitter about who's in charge now.
(27:54):
And uh and that's a shame. I mean, I I
the Iraq thing was a much bigger miss, but that
was a it was a it's good miss, I mean.
And what I mean by that is he's not trying
to have the result that he did. He thought he
was doing the right thing. The endorsing Kamala over Trump
is I think a middle finger too much of America.
Also funny about that it also played on Kamala Harris's
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poor political instincts because she somehow thought that Dick Cheney
was popular with the Republican voters and that Liz Cheney was,
and that it was going to persuade moderates they had
they had Liz Cheney, if I remember correctly, Buck speaking
at some of the final rallies for Kamala Harris about
why Kamala was such a great choice. Yes, and they
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deployed Liz Cheney. I know, Well, this is the problem
with people that opposed Trump always end up becoming Democrats
essentially oppose Trump. Yeah, it just you just become a Democrat.
I don't know what else to say. There's, uh, there's
a very clear history of this, and I've seen this,
and it, especially in the pundit space. You go from
(28:58):
like I don't agree with Trump's toad, like, yeah, Kamala
Harris is a great candidate, Like, how does that happen? Well,
it happens pretty much every time. It's bonkers. And I
do think it was funny because it spoke to both
Liz Cheney's lack of political instincts and also Kamala's lack
of political instincts that somehow they thought the winning argument
down the stretch is a combo of Liz Cheney and
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Kamala Harris convincing you that they should be.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
In charge of the country.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
You know, and Barack Obama has been deployed as the
closer in some of these campaigns that are going on today,
the elections today.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I know, we've got these.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Big decisions that are being made about the governor's mansions
for New Jersey, for Virginia and then the New York
City mayor, but also in California. I wanted to play this.
Schwarzenegger has weighed in on CNN about Gavin Newsom's Proposition fifty.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Can you guys play that clip for me?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
There is such such extreme cherrymandering going on in the
state like Massachusetts, it has like forty percent of the
Puba voting for Trump, they only had the Seer representative.
The Republican Party has Serer representatives sent to the House.
Think about that in New Mexico and forty five percent
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of the puper voted for Trump and vote Republican and
Cyril is sent to the House Seer a representative from
the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Clay prop fifty is really straightforward. It's just Democrats in California,
with Gavin Newsom leading the charge. Even even Schwarzenegger, who's
kind of a yeah, maybe a moderate Democrat now or
I don't know what you'd call him, formerly a Republican,
even he sees what this is. They complain about jerrymandering
(30:40):
where they're not doing it, and they do it to
the absolute max where they can, and ultimately they're in
trouble because the twenty thirty census, so many people have
moved to red states that even if they jerry manner
to the end degree, they're in trouble when it comes
to the overall calculus that will be out there because
red state populations are surging and blue state populations buy
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Speaker 1 (32:18):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I'm on
my book tour. Pari Ja Pierre's book tour has been
going on for weeks. I don't know what's going on here,
but she keeps talking anytime she gets criticized about the
fact that she's black and gay. And somebody brought up
that she uses that excuse all the time, and she
was mad that people brought up the fact that she
(32:39):
uses the fact that she was black and gay as
an excuse.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
This just happened. Listen.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
It pisces me off that people who have not walked
in my shoes, who have no idea who really I
am as a person, get to tell me how I
get to identify myself.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
Rit So It's like I was, like, you can't tell
me how I get to identify myself. You can't tell
me how I get to call myself, Like screw you?
Like who that's not okay? Like that is not okay.
You have no right to tell anybody how they should
identify themselves and how they see themselves in the world.
Like you have not walked through my battles, You have
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not walked through my life.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
You don't even know my personal story. So that's how
I really just that just boils me up.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
So I need help here, Clay. Is she really so
stupid that she doesn't understand that no one is challenging
her self definition. They just think that she doesn't have
to bring up her self definition in every single interview,
in almost every other sentence. Is she that dumb?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Is that possible?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
She is that dumb? I think because no one cares
that she's black and gay. We care that she's dumb
and was in a position of power, and you can't
defend the awful decisions. If Dick Cheney, we just said
a raq if Dick Cheney, whenever he got criticized on
IRAQ said, as a white man, you have no idea
what I went through, people would say, well, okay, some
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people do, but we shouldn't have been in a RAQ
and that doesn't really have anything to do with your
race or your gender. You made a poor decision as
a leader, and you should have to own it instead
of trying to dodge all accountability by constantly bringing people
back to your race and your gender, which is what
she tries to do. Norma, Long Beach, California. What you
(34:23):
got for us? Norma going once, Norma going twice. Norma's here,
I think buck Norma. What you got for us?
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Thanks to im.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I'm here, Thank you.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
I ordered your book.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I get it in two days.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Thank you, Norma.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
H I appreciate you calling it. I hope you enjoy it.
That that is fantastic. You're in Long Beach, California. I'm
glad it's gonna get to you in two days. Alexi
Lawless our friend. Thank you, Norma.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Our friend.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Alexi Lawless just posted a picture. He said he went
to the Manhattan Beach Barnes and Noble. They had one
copy of my book. I'm guessing I'm probably not gonna
probably not gonna be on the best seller list at
Manhattan Beach California. I feel like the one copy of
your book in that Manhattan Beach Barnes and Noble would
be like the golden idol in Indiana Jones. Like the
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one person that tries to take it, it sets off
a booby trap, and yes, they have to escape a boulder.
I think that's what happens. Alexi said that he asked
when you know, ask at the front desk or whatever,
and the woman just kind of wrinkled her face and
walked around and they managed to find one copy. So
if you're in Manhattan Beach and you were thinking I'm
mnna go to the Barnes and Noble, Alexi beat you
(35:36):
to the beach, you to the table. He's already got
it in all serious, not the buck. I'm going straight.
I'm gonna be on with Jesse Waters tonight talking about
the book, and I'm gonna be on America's news Room
and tomorrow morning and then Sean Hannity, and I've been
talking to a lot of people at all our different
affiliate stations. I appreciate all of you guys for the support.
I think you're gonna enjoy the book. If you're not
(35:57):
a reader, you can listen to it and thank you guys.
And Buck's book will be out in January February. February February,
and you'll have another opportunity so you can read at
least two books this year, or you can listen to
at least two. It's definitely on Amazon. I appreciate all
of you buying it. You can go grab it, and
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I'm excited to hopefully help to influence the conversation going
forward with young men and how they can continue to
win cultural battles going forward and also continue to celebrate.
Tomorrow is the one year anniversary of Trump's big win,
which is the timing behind this book.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Go vote, Go vote, Go vote.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
New Jersey, Virginia, New York City, and all other cities
picking mayors and other important office holders. Please go vote,
make your voice heard. We'll talk about the results tomorrow
We cover a lot. We're gonna keep covering a lot
because we've got the New York City mayor's election, the
governor's races in Virginia and New Jersey. Go vote, go vote.
I voted for my Miami Beach mayor here and and commissioners.
Clay voted for Franklin Aldermstle or the aldermen or whatever
over there. I'm not even sure exactly what the Alderman does,
(00:20):
but I went and voted. Uh yeah, you got to
make sure you got the right alderman or else. All
hell's going to break loose, and you know, you might
have some I don't even know what going on in
in the town of Franklin. You know, you could have people,
you could have people where I live a little bit,
as you say, you could have people thinking they can
just drive the golf cart all the way into town,
(00:43):
like what's going on? You know, civilization, friends, we can't
just let these things happen. So yeah, we are going
to follow this. UF also talk a little bit about
California where Gavin Newsom. So much of this is it's interesting,
it's just it's just tapping into Democrat frustration. Clay, I
think that's in all of these races.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's certainly true.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Virginia, New York, in California and New Jersey where Democrats
feel like their party has been because it has been
outplayed by Trump and the Republicans. They're losing and losing
and losing again this year in their opposition to Trump
and their opposition to his agenda. So this is just
(01:23):
an opportunity to vent their spleen a bit with a
vote against whatever the Republican option is. I don't think
it really even gets in for most people. I don't
think it real even gets into what they think is
going to happen here, because cost of living is such
a big thing in New York, in California and Virginia too,
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especially if you get closer to DC, and Democrats will
make it worse. Guaranteed, they will make it worse because
even what they do to make it seem like it
might improve in the short term is to just squeeze
the balloon at one side, right, to redistribute the well,
to find some way to subsist. And we see this
with Obamacare, which I still wish people would pay more
(02:07):
attention to this play. We're still in a shutdown everybody,
which is gonna end after the election, all ties in,
I might add, right, Democrats government shut down, getting people frustrated,
making people think, oh, the Democrats are standing up, they're fighting. Well,
what are they fighting for? Exactly? Like, how are they
making anyone's life better? Ah, forget about that. They're fighting.
(02:28):
Its emotional manipulation in place of an argument. It's very effective,
unfortunately in mass psychology and mass politics. But the Democrat
offerings on all this stuff, like Obamacare specifically, is to
ignore market reality and to make promises that they can't keep.
And you're gonna see a lot more of that. Gavin Newsome. Meanwhile,
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I didn't get to yesterday, Clay. I meant this is
a little bit of a pickup because I'm about to
talk about public safety. We talked about DC in the
crime situation there and how who was it it was.
Nora O'Donnell was like, well, I just go to work
and I don't know if it's safer on the streets
because she doesn't want to admit it on camera. That
Trump is right. The murder rate since Trump has tried
to do his security plan in DC is down sixty percent, okay,
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six zero percent dropping the murder rate, and all crime
is down substantially almost thirty percent I think in DC
year to date, with a big chunk of that coming
since Trump. So it is working. It's not perfect, but
it's working. No one thought it would be perfect, meaning
that there'd be no murders or no crime, but it's
substantially improving the situation. Meanwhile, you know what Gavin Newsom's
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worried about, not whether people feel safe on the streets
or they're going to be harassed by some maniac, but
of course immigration play nineteen.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
People are on edge, communities of color on edge. I
mean folks scared to death to go out trick or
treating the other night, Scared to walk their dogs, go
to a playground, go to a park, go to a
loved one's funeral, because they might be disappeared on the
basis of what they look like, where they congregate, the
language they speak. In the United States of America today,
(04:04):
you've heard notion of a private police force that appears
to have taken oath office to the President of the
United States, not to the United States Constitution.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
All just just hyperbolic, fear mongering blather. Are they illegals?
And also this notion they're being disappeared. They're not being disappeared.
They're being detained, processed and returned to their country three
flight back to where they actually should be.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I think we just have to prepare for this. I would.
I know it's still a.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Year away from the midterms, and I know we're not
going to start the twenty twenty eight presidential cycle until January.
It's going to be Newsome. It's going to be Newsome.
It's gonna be Newsome, and he's gonna lie blatantly like this.
Do we still have Gavin Newsom? I don't think we
played it yesterday, but we play Newsom saying the one
(04:58):
let's met Greg you can grab that. I think we
had it yesterday, but when Newsom said it went megaviral.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I hate when politicians.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Lie, you know, and he's like moving his hands and
moving his face awkwardly, and it's just so diabolically sinister,
because I don't know that anybody lies more than Newsome.
And by the way, there's a difference between getting a
factor too wrong in sort of hyperbole and blatantly lying,
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and Gavin Newsom is just such a blatant liar. And
the reality is I think you have to have a
blatant liar on the ticket because Democrats are wrong about everything.
I mean, they really are, by and large. It used
to be you could be a reasonable person and you
could look at the two parties and you could say, hey,
(05:51):
you know what, I disagree with my party on this
perspective or this issue, even though I might vote the
other way. I can't even think of what Democrats are.
It used to be Democrats would say, hey, we know healthcare.
They're destroying everything having.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
To do with insurance. Nobody can't even afford healthcare anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
If you are looking for something that Republicans and this
could have time to another news item that Republicans I
think look back on and say, Okay, we actually got
that one wrong. I think it's the Iraq War as
a party, which Trump among others have said that was
the we were on the wrong side. We weren't on
the wrong side of Afghanistan a post nine eleven, but
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the Iraq War thing. But the thing about the Republicans
there is Democrat establishment went along with it too. Yeah, right,
the Hillary Clinton, all that, you know, the Schumer, all
the Democrats were in favor of it. As well, but
it was the charge was led by a Republican administration
to be fair, and that included Dick Cheney, who just
passed away. And we haven't mentioned this, but Dick Cheney
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just five what is the eighty four? I think he
just died in early this morning, early morning. Yeah, at
last twenty four hours he passed away. I remember meeting
the Vice president on several occasions when he was the
Vice president in the Oval Office, and I will tell you, Clay,
it was we had multiple wars going on a very
different Oval Office experience as a young CIA analyst briefing
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then Vice President Cheney than what we got when Clay
and Bucks show up to hang out with Trump in
the Oval I mean just night. And it didn't even
feel like the same movie set, the same universe. It's
just a totally different feeling. There was an intensity and
a solemnity under those Bush years because of nine to
eleven and everything else. And you walked in there and
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you made sure your jacket and tie were crisp, and
it was yes, mister President. Nos President. You know, we
went in there and saw Trump, but he's like we
got the owner of the Saints, come on in here,
we got JD. We got you know. It was it
was like, we will check out the new guilt that
I put in the you know, cabinet was showing us
cool stuff. He's like, isn't a beautiful look at this painting?
Redid this painting? Beautiful painting. It was just a very
(07:55):
different feeling. But Yeah, Dick Cheney passed away. He became
very contrayr I think, more controversial actually in some ways
after he left office, with the legacy of the Iraq War.
And also to be fair, he and his daughter refused
endorsing Kamala over Trump in the twenty twenty I knew
his daughter did. I actually forgot that he did until
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you just mentioned that to me now, which is insane. Yeah,
that's that's personal bitterness overriding political. Look, I think he
just passed away. And I know we're not supposed to
speak ill of the dead. I'm not going to. I'm
not trying to speak ill of someone who just passed away.
I think Dick Cheney was a patriot. I think he
loved his country, and I think he did what he
thought was best for the country. And I think a
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lot of the stuff that was used to attack him
about how it was like he was enriching him that
that actually wasn't and even the unitary chief executive attacks
on Dick Cheney, I mean, those are he believed that
the president had the authority to make important decisions. I
was in the Oval office, and I could tell you
that the vice press watching them make decisions and discuss
at various points, and the vice president was deferential to
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George W. Bush as president, this notion that he was
the puppet master and buch Bush the media this because
they could get away with this class. I'm not trying
to get diverted. I now we got election day here,
but I think the media lied to people so much
about George W. Bush that they have this complete They weren't,
you know, because of Trump and the way he did
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things by going right to them and bypassing the media.
People's conception of who George W. Bush is a lot
of just every day and Eric is a complete caricature.
The guy was not dumb. The guy was not shy
about leadership and making decisions and was actually very on.
He wasn't a scholar of Middle Eastern history, you know.
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But guess what neither is Kamala or Biden or any
of them, right, But the notion that he was some
sort of buffoon and was bumbling in an idiot is absurd,
not true at all. And not only that, I mean,
it's it's funny. They remember early in Trump two point zero,
it did at work because it's Trump. You can't call
somebody a dictator and then be like they tried to
(10:05):
say that Trump wasn't president. Remember they tried to say
president elon. They tried to demean the person in the
chief executive office, the president of the United States. And
so the argument when Bush was there was o' cheney's
the actual president. They tried to argue, Oh, Trump's there,
Elon's the president. You ever hear anybody argue that Obama
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wasn't the president when Obama was in office. You ever
hear anybody argue Clinton wasn't the president when Clinton was
in office, whatever you thought of their vice president. Now,
to be fair, during Biden, people may have accurately said,
it's actually Obama who's still president. To be fair, during Clinton,
there may have been moments where he was busy, otherwise occupied,
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not really indisposed of the country. Indisposed would be one
thing you could say about phil Clinton, but I think
so chan Cheney passed away. The guy he did have
a remark arkable career, and I do think I think
the best thing that can be said for him, or
the things that can be said for him, is he
loved his country and he tried. But he was wrong
(11:08):
on some big stuff. And unfortunately he got particularly wrong
towards the end about about Trump and the and the
you know, the the trajectory of the country. I think,
and I think it was personal because of the repudiation
of bush Cheney by Trump.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
He was in people are gonna get mad at me
there because he's a warmonger. I'm trying to think I
just died. I'm trying to be charitably. He served his
country for many, many years, and I think he loved America.
He was willing to go to the mat against the Jihatis,
I will tell you that, and we needed people that
were to go to the mat. You can love your
country and make awful decisions. Correct, those aren't opposite things.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And I think that the.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
People always throw Nevill Chamberlain under the bus. Yeah, was
he wrong about how things to go with the Nazis? Sure,
but people forget that World War One had just destroyed
an entire generation of Europe, including Englishmen and people from
the United Kingdom, and he was hoping we wouldn't have
to do that again.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
He may have had the remedy, but he didn't want
to go to war. I mean, this reasonable thing to do,
and to be fair, I read the oral history recently
in the last year or so of nine to eleven
because I wanted to re experience that. Remember, they thought
the White House was going to get hit and Cheney
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was underground monitoring nine to eleven while Bush was up
in Air Force one and nobody could get in touch
with him because they were trying to keep him safe.
People forget this because they always think now of KSM.
Khaliche Sheik Mohammad and his like you know, pulled t
shirt and getting arrested and all this stuff. They were
planning multiple nine elevens, and that's real.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
That is fact.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
They were going to keep coming at us with all
kinds of stuff. The War on Terror was absolutely necessary,
and those of you who thought it should always remember
that and always feel honored in your service for the
fact that they were coming for us. It wasn't just
nine to eleven. There was more after that, and yeah,
it was the fight against It wasn't perfect, no war,
the fight is never going to be perfect, but it
was a necessary one. It was Iraq that was the
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expansion of it that I think was a strategic miscalculation.
But I don't think the people that said, I mean,
I got hit with this even a while back, was
on a podcast, people said, oh, it was also Cheney
could make money through Haliburton. That's actually not that's actually
not true. Yeah, you can say that he was a
warmonger and he made the wrong decision and it was terrible,
but he actually didn't do this to make money through
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Haliburton for himself. And I just I like the criticisms
to be rooted in reality. One thing that stood out
to me is I reread to experience the history of
nine to eleven. That is really kind of crazy to
think about. Is there was almost no communication to the
president because Air Force one wasn't able to get telephone signals.
They weren't able. Obviously, the Internet was not in place.
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They've got spotty every now and then television, so Cheney
had to manage much of nine to eleven because the
president they were afraid of where the next strike might be.
He was just up in the air. They didn't have
any idea. And so I would encourage you to go
back and do some reading about that day. They could
have had fifty planes hijacked, given how easy it was
(14:10):
to hijack the ones that they did, they could have
had fifty of those planes turned into essentially massive guided
missiles with hundreds of innocents aboard. We had, you know,
I mean, it's crazy to think about the worst terrorist
attack ever in history, and it actually could have been
a lot worse. Yes, yes, and it would, by the way,
it would have been worse if not for those those
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brave souls fill Pennsylvania on United That's exactly right. Let's roll.
If that beamer I believe was a topman I think,
or a beaman or beamer, you may be right. If
it's not, it's not for him. And saying let's roll
that plane ends up, we have a smoldering United States
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United Flight ninety three. I think to if I'm getting
remembering now, but to be you know, to be fair
to Cheney's memory, we needed a wartime consolieri, so to speak.
After nine to eleven. I'm not saying that everything was
good or right, but I mean the guy. The guy
did step up and a lot of bad guys needed
to be taken off the battlefield.
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en Buck. We're talking to you about the California situation
in a second, but here we go. I knew i'd
get some of these, Clay, so I'll address one VIP
email from Patrick Buck is absolutely delusional to say Chaney
didn't get rich off. Iraq KBR got billions of dollars
(19:07):
in no bid contracts in Iraq. Cheney was part of Halliburton,
which owned KBR. I did multiple deployments in both Iraq
and Afghanistan. Iraq War was a fraud. Let's work backwards
on this one. Iraq War was a mistake. I said,
so you're saying so, I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So there we go.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That's we have agreement there. We should not have done it.
Biggest mistake the Republican Party has made in the twenty
first century, in my opinion, multiple deployments. Thank you for
your service, Thank you for putting your life on the
line for your country and doing what was necessary in
a moment where the country was in fact under substantial
threat and did have enemies abroad that sought to do
his harm. And then on the no bid contracts, Dick
(19:46):
Cheney divested all shares in all the shares that he
owned in Halliburton before he took office in two thousand.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
All of it.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So that was before nine to eleven. Mind you don't,
I don't know what else. This is all there's there's
there's records of this, so you can check this out.
I don't know what else anyone wants me to say.
There was some deferred compensation of of like a couple
million dollars that was paid afterwards. But Cheney had already
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he sold his stock for like forty million bucks, and
that was in nineteen ninety nine or two thousand dollars,
so it'd be like selling it for close to eighty
million dollars today. He didn't care about the two million
dollars in deferred compensation everybody, So I understand people get
very passionate about these things, but there's just facts and
there's record, and the record is he did not own
Trust me, they would have told you if he continued
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to own Haliburton's stock while that was actually happening. He
had to divest from Halliburton when he went into government,
and that is what happened. And he just made awful
decisions as it pertained to Irrack. I'm not I'm not
defending any of his decisions. It's terrible. The Rocky Reconstruction
(21:05):
was an absolute debacle. They had incompetent people, the Iraq
War on false premises, that's all. But it wasn't to
make Dick Cheney richer than he already was before he
became vice president. Everybody. I just I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
To tell you.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You show me the show me the data, or show
me the facts to prove otherwise, that's all. If you
show me that Dick Cheney actually sold twenty million dollars
of Haliburton stock in two thousand and three, I will
come on here and say, oh my gosh, I'm sorry
I was wrong about this. I don't know why they
were so effective. It was all the Daily Show. They
(21:39):
were so effective at selling this narrative that Cheney did
it for Halliburton. It was that was not true. He
did it for other reasons that maybe are very bad,
and it was a big mistake. He did not do
it to get rich off of Halliburton. Read the Internet, everybody,
It is there for you to see. So here's a
question for you about this. Since people are fired up,
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most people I would imagine listening to us right now
agree that the Iraq War was a bad decision. In fact,
I would argue to you, I know this was true
for me. The first time I said this Trump guy
is actually pretty interesting was when he went after the
decision to go to war in Iraq before anybody else
(22:21):
in the Republican Party had been willing to do so
in that summer of twenty fifteen big time Republican debate
that Megan Kelly moderated when he went after Rosie O'Donnell.
The part of going after the Iraq War, which I
think you're correct on, Buck, is what broke and embittered
Dick Cheney to such an extent and Liz Cheney as
(22:41):
well on some level to eventually say that Trump is
the unique threat to the Republic and come out against
him and endorse Kamala Harris of all things. But most
people in the Republican Party and most people I think
in America now say the Iraq War was a mistake
the way it was implemented. A lot of you served
in it, who are listening to us right now. But
(23:03):
you were in Afghanistan. I mean you were in Afghanistan.
I deployed to Moses, I deployed to Bagdad, I deployed
to Afghanistan. I saw some of these garden spots up
close and personally. Yeah, So let me ask you this.
Will Democrats ever acknowledge that they screwed up COVID like
Republicans have acknowledged that they screwed up Iraq?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
No, because they would do it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I truly well, actually that would be an interesting conversation
because there is a concern over a return. There is
a concern, and I understand it. And I think this
even ties into why there's such a venom about Cheney
and the war profiteering thing, which again my position is
not that Cheney was some grand architect of a great
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war that should have been fought. My position is he
did really incredibly dumb things, but he actually didn't do
those dumb things per se to get rich. He did
differ because he thought he was making the right decision,
which is not different if you go back in time
to Robert McNamara during the Vietnam War. McNamara later came
out and said, I blew it effectively, uh, in the
(24:04):
way that they implemented that. And if you study war,
it's actually very common for people to think that they're
making the right decision and they end up making the
wrong decision because war is tough and making decisions on
the on the spur of the moment to be judged
by history for generations.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I'm I'm a Civil War history nerd.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
People still mock decisions made at Chickamauga, you know, all
the way back in eighteen sixty three or Lee at Gettysburg.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I mean, people still argue about it.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You can, you know, come at you. You can come
at Jess Jefferson Davis with a lot of very valid criticism.
But he did not fight the war because of his
position on trans rights. That's all, you know, right that
that wasn't it right? So we just have to stay
in the facts. We have to stay within the reality.
And with the Cheney situation, it's just it's became such
(24:53):
a thing where everyone says, oh, it's because anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And I'm not some big they were.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
By now I sound like I'm the big Chendy. It
was the biggest mistake of a twenty first century. But
he didn't make it to get rich. He made it
because he made it huge errors well in judgment, and honestly,
it was an error in judgment that was very liberal
in nature, because the idea, in my mind was the
neocon aspect of we're going to create a democracy in
Iraq that is similar to the democracy that we have
(25:21):
in the United States was clearly a impractical, impossible goal,
even more preposterous honestly in Afghanistan too, or that that
was where the mistake was made as well in that mission.
But I do think that there is a considerable to
your point about COVID. There is a concern on the right,
broadly speaking, that without Trump at the helm of the party,
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we could return to an interventionist, neo Khan foreign policy.
And I get that, and I understand a lot of
people who fought those wars, including by the way, nothing
but respect for our Vip Patrick and thank you for
your deployments. Just have to clear up that one fact.
And if I'm wrong on that fact, someone showed me
how I'm wrong on the fact. But did Dick Cheney
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did not make a lot of money after he took office,
Just to be very clear, from stock in Halliburton or KBR,
that is not true. He made a lot of money
before he took office. And you can argue, well, I mean,
I don't know like that. He's just like it, loves
the war profiteers and genuine wants to spread the wealth
through his buddies. But he did not make money personally
from that. So and I think it's important we stick
(26:28):
with fact.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I think that's true.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I think he genuinely thought, again patriotically, he was making
the right decision, and he made totally the wrong decision,
which is actually it's been an interest in the Middle
East had been a mess for you know, post World
War two, Middle East has just been one series of
conflicts and mess after another. And this was the uh,
you know, the Bush Cheney idea post nine to eleven.
(26:52):
And this is very complicated and much bigger discussion than
we have time for right now. But it was essentially,
instead of mowing the grass, maybe we got a you know,
plant something new. Maybe we've got to go with a
whole new direction, and that means regime change and nation building.
And we tried it and it failed, and it was
a bad idea in my opinion, and I think the
(27:13):
opinion of certainly the opinion of Donald Trump and MAGA
and the right. But I just think that the hit.
We should stay clear on what the history, as I said,
Jefferson Davis not fighting for trans rights, like, we have
to stay clear on what the you know, the history
of different figures and what the actual arguments were. So anyway,
I knew that I knew that Cheney thing would get
(27:34):
some We're gonna get more emails about this too. Uh,
people get very passionate about this still. But yeah, the
guy passed away and it's a different Republican party now,
and that's why I think he also went for Like
to go for Kamala is really just now you're just
gonna burn down. You're gonna burn down everything that you've
stood for because you're so bitter about who's in charge now.
(27:54):
And uh and that's a shame. I mean, I I
the Iraq thing was a much bigger miss, but that
was a it was a it's good miss, I mean.
And what I mean by that is he's not trying
to have the result that he did. He thought he
was doing the right thing. The endorsing Kamala over Trump
is I think a middle finger too much of America.
Also funny about that it also played on Kamala Harris's
(28:16):
poor political instincts because she somehow thought that Dick Cheney
was popular with the Republican voters and that Liz Cheney was,
and that it was going to persuade moderates they had
they had Liz Cheney, if I remember correctly, Buck speaking
at some of the final rallies for Kamala Harris about
why Kamala was such a great choice. Yes, and they
(28:37):
deployed Liz Cheney. I know, Well, this is the problem
with people that opposed Trump always end up becoming Democrats
essentially oppose Trump. Yeah, it just you just become a Democrat.
I don't know what else to say. There's, uh, there's
a very clear history of this, and I've seen this,
and it, especially in the pundit space. You go from
(28:58):
like I don't agree with Trump's toad, like, yeah, Kamala
Harris is a great candidate, Like, how does that happen? Well,
it happens pretty much every time. It's bonkers. And I
do think it was funny because it spoke to both
Liz Cheney's lack of political instincts and also Kamala's lack
of political instincts that somehow they thought the winning argument
down the stretch is a combo of Liz Cheney and
(29:20):
Kamala Harris convincing you that they should be.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
In charge of the country.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
You know, and Barack Obama has been deployed as the
closer in some of these campaigns that are going on today,
the elections today.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I know, we've got these.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Big decisions that are being made about the governor's mansions
for New Jersey, for Virginia and then the New York
City mayor, but also in California. I wanted to play this.
Schwarzenegger has weighed in on CNN about Gavin Newsom's Proposition fifty.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Can you guys play that clip for me?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
There is such such extreme cherrymandering going on in the
state like Massachusetts, it has like forty percent of the
Puba voting for Trump, they only had the Seer representative.
The Republican Party has Serer representatives sent to the House.
Think about that in New Mexico and forty five percent
(30:10):
of the puper voted for Trump and vote Republican and
Cyril is sent to the House Seer a representative from
the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Clay prop fifty is really straightforward. It's just Democrats in California,
with Gavin Newsom leading the charge. Even even Schwarzenegger, who's
kind of a yeah, maybe a moderate Democrat now or
I don't know what you'd call him, formerly a Republican,
even he sees what this is. They complain about jerrymandering
(30:40):
where they're not doing it, and they do it to
the absolute max where they can, and ultimately they're in
trouble because the twenty thirty census, so many people have
moved to red states that even if they jerry manner
to the end degree, they're in trouble when it comes
to the overall calculus that will be out there because
red state populations are surging and blue state populations buy
(31:03):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I'm on
my book tour. Pari Ja Pierre's book tour has been
going on for weeks. I don't know what's going on here,
but she keeps talking anytime she gets criticized about the
fact that she's black and gay. And somebody brought up
that she uses that excuse all the time, and she
was mad that people brought up the fact that she
(32:39):
uses the fact that she was black and gay as
an excuse.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
This just happened. Listen.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
It pisces me off that people who have not walked
in my shoes, who have no idea who really I
am as a person, get to tell me how I
get to identify myself.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
Rit So It's like I was, like, you can't tell
me how I get to identify myself. You can't tell
me how I get to call myself, Like screw you?
Like who that's not okay? Like that is not okay.
You have no right to tell anybody how they should
identify themselves and how they see themselves in the world.
Like you have not walked through my battles, You have
(33:14):
not walked through my life.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
You don't even know my personal story. So that's how
I really just that just boils me up.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
So I need help here, Clay. Is she really so
stupid that she doesn't understand that no one is challenging
her self definition. They just think that she doesn't have
to bring up her self definition in every single interview,
in almost every other sentence. Is she that dumb?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Is that possible?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
She is that dumb? I think because no one cares
that she's black and gay. We care that she's dumb
and was in a position of power, and you can't
defend the awful decisions. If Dick Cheney, we just said
a raq if Dick Cheney, whenever he got criticized on
IRAQ said, as a white man, you have no idea
what I went through, people would say, well, okay, some
(34:02):
people do, but we shouldn't have been in a RAQ
and that doesn't really have anything to do with your
race or your gender. You made a poor decision as
a leader, and you should have to own it instead
of trying to dodge all accountability by constantly bringing people
back to your race and your gender, which is what
she tries to do. Norma, Long Beach, California. What you
(34:23):
got for us? Norma going once, Norma going twice. Norma's here,
I think buck Norma. What you got for us?
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Thanks to im.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I'm here, Thank you.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
I ordered your book.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I get it in two days.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Thank you, Norma.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
H I appreciate you calling it. I hope you enjoy it.
That that is fantastic. You're in Long Beach, California. I'm
glad it's gonna get to you in two days. Alexi
Lawless our friend. Thank you, Norma.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Our friend.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Alexi Lawless just posted a picture. He said he went
to the Manhattan Beach Barnes and Noble. They had one
copy of my book. I'm guessing I'm probably not gonna
probably not gonna be on the best seller list at
Manhattan Beach California. I feel like the one copy of
your book in that Manhattan Beach Barnes and Noble would
be like the golden idol in Indiana Jones. Like the
(35:15):
one person that tries to take it, it sets off
a booby trap, and yes, they have to escape a boulder.
I think that's what happens. Alexi said that he asked
when you know, ask at the front desk or whatever,
and the woman just kind of wrinkled her face and
walked around and they managed to find one copy. So
if you're in Manhattan Beach and you were thinking I'm
mnna go to the Barnes and Noble, Alexi beat you
(35:36):
to the beach, you to the table. He's already got
it in all serious, not the buck. I'm going straight.
I'm gonna be on with Jesse Waters tonight talking about
the book, and I'm gonna be on America's news Room
and tomorrow morning and then Sean Hannity, and I've been
talking to a lot of people at all our different
affiliate stations. I appreciate all of you guys for the support.
I think you're gonna enjoy the book. If you're not
(35:57):
a reader, you can listen to it and thank you guys.
And Buck's book will be out in January February. February February,
and you'll have another opportunity so you can read at
least two books this year, or you can listen to
at least two. It's definitely on Amazon. I appreciate all
of you buying it. You can go grab it, and
(36:17):
I'm excited to hopefully help to influence the conversation going
forward with young men and how they can continue to
win cultural battles going forward and also continue to celebrate.
Tomorrow is the one year anniversary of Trump's big win,
which is the timing behind this book.
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