November 5, 2025 • 30 mins
In this powerful episode of The Tudor Dixon Podcast, Tudor speaks with Ruby Chen, the father of Itay Chen, an Israeli soldier taken hostage amid the ongoing conflict. Ruby shares his emotional journey, offering a firsthand look at the pain and perseverance of families still waiting for their loved ones’ return. The discussion sheds light on the U.S. government’s response, the global push for hostage recovery, and the rising threat of anti-Semitism worldwide. Tudor and Ruby call for bipartisan support, public awareness, and unity in the face of division, urging listeners to stand with the families of hostages and advocate for justice. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast, and we
want to talk about the Israeli hostage ordeal for many
of us. I think in the United States we think
of it as being over because the living hostages are home.
But it is not over. And that's what we want
to talk about today. It is not over for the
families who are still waiting for their loved ones, their sons,
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their husbands, their fathers. There is no closure right now,
and it may be even worse because many of them
are afraid that their loved ones will be forgotten and
will not be returned home. And I know they have
been speaking with the administration and calling out to the President,
who has committed to make sure that these people are
connected back with their families. Today we were joined by
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one of those families, the father of Etai Hen Ruby. Hen,
thank you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We know that your son was one of the He
was one of the soldiers on October seventh, Is that correct?
Can you take us a little bit through his story?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah. So, I'm a New Yorker. I like to say
power outcome of the New York public education system decided
after doing the NYU met my wife, we decided to
live in Tel Aviv and have three sons. Tai is
the middle sibling, so he has an elder and younger sibling.
He loved the extra curriculum activities, from basketball to climbing
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on walls, being a boy scout, any typical kid you
had bump into. And at the age of eighteen, both
my family and my wife's family are Holocaust survivors, so
the understanding of protecting the Jewish state, you know, meant
a lot to him, and he joined the IDEF. He
was in a text division and on that fatal October seventh,
he was protecting the seas fire on the board of Gaza.
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They got ambushed, but they did what they were supposed
to do. They protected and saved a lot of Jewish
lives from Valuy. Terrible fate that tend those Tairovists also
came both anti tank missiles and utualized the tank after
a few hours of fighting. And we were in limbo
for a number of days not down what happened to him,
(02:15):
And only on Thursday, five days after, we got a
knock on the door saying, well we got to the tank.
Inside the tank it's a squad of four people and
one of them was killed, pinned down inside, three others
missing an action, and it Tie was one of the
twelve US citizens that was taking hostage. He is the
youngest hostage of having a US citizenship. He ties battle
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and his team ended on that fatal October seventh, But
since then a new battle began. That is the battle
of two hundred and fifty five families wanted to get
their loved ones back in fluting twelve US families and
that has been seven hundred and fifty nine days ago,
and were still fighting to get him back.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You noted that you wear a shirt with his name
and the number of days that he's been missing.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
That's indeed, it's a way for us to kind of
emphasize the point each day that passes by. And we've
been to the White House too often in the last
two years advocating for the little lease of TCO citizens,
including all the other hostages. We have been able to
see back two hundred and forty seven osages, but there's
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still eight left behind excluding my son, still the only
US citizen left behind in captivity.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You've praised President Trump for his commitment to do it.
But I know that you also have said, you know
this was you were hoping this would happen in the
first hundred days. You are you still feel like the
priority should be US citizens. Your son is still has
still not been returned home. Do you feel confident that
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the administration is committed to getting him home.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah. So we got to know President Trump, and you
know how he looks at this. Even in his first
administration from people that know him, he took a special
interest in US hostages. It should be a liability, not
an asset, to take any US citizen any place, and
there should be consequences with those people that take US citizens.
(04:23):
And when this administration began and with the President detailing
the America First policy, which put an emphasis on bringing
back US citizens that were held hostage or unlawfully detained,
and this administration has done a fabulous job. Dozens of
US citizens from all over have been able to come back.
I think it was about two weeks ago we had
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a US citizen from Afghanistan held bet It Taliban that
was able to come back. So we know that the
President cares deeply about this, as well as the Vice
President that we met. I think ten days ago and
Segotary Ribio and of course Special Envoy Gov and child
Kushna that I've been spearheading these efforts and they said,
(05:05):
we won't give up. We'll get everybody back. That is
a commitment. That is the deal that was signed. It
was signed on forty eight hostages to come back. I
wasn't on forty or twenty five. It was on forty eight.
And until today we've seen forty come out. So they're
still eight on account at four and I could shay,
(05:26):
you've been today texting mister Wickcoff and mister Kushna. They
both gave me the commitment that the jobs out there.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Do you so you believe that those eight will come home?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Oh he's out face. Uh it's pretty hard. Doctor goes
through these two years off hell without it.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Why do you think they think it's been such a
slow process. We believed that. I mean, we were expecting
this a couple of weeks ago for everyone to come
at the same time. Why do you think there's been
a delay in some of these people coming back.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well, you know, it's come on. You know, they have
a different compass than we do. They have a very
good idea where all the hostages.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Are you do believe that they know where they are?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh yeah, I'm not buying that they don't know. Well,
just let's not forget. They were the ones that kidnapped
and abducted them, so they know where they put them,
so they should have a pretty good idea when they
stashed them. And they of course would like to lead
gain control of the areas that the idea of left
in order to be in a better position when negotiating
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from the second phase, which we you know, have been
a vocal about that. We believe that the second fashould
not begin befirst before the first phase has been completed,
which details the evil leies so all of the twenty
eight hostages.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Do you feel that the Biden administration was working as
hard as the Trump administration was. Did you have meetings
with the Biden administration?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yes, we had a very good meetings with the Biden administration.
Decided to keep this a bipartisan issue, which you think
it should be. But to be honest, you know, the
game plan that the Biden administation had was that it
Ronaldson on see those hostages come out via Islael and
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the Boston and that didn't pan out, and we thought
that should be a plan be and you know, going
to the administration and asking them was plan B. And
there was never a plan being And I didn't understand why.
You know, it was such a long time that went by,
and the previous administration unfortunately did not single out the
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US citizens and wanted to find a way to get
them out. Uh. With the Trump administration, Uh, you know,
I could say both sides, we asked this to keep
this a bipartisan issue, and indeed we asked, you know,
mister Sullivan to immediately engage was his counterpart, which did happen.
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And as such, we saw that deal happened in January,
which was very important. That was the first phase of
this phase, you could call it. And we saw the
President and his ability to bring the sides together and
get that deal to the finish line. And what we
saw two weeks ago, you know, again the President with
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his ability at the UN putting together all of the
al leaders together, building a coalition that brought Comas to
the negotiation table. And also mister Kushna that has his
history of the able Amaccords on being able to ban
all the adult players together. You saw them walking together
with mister Kushna and mister Widcoff together and we got
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the deal done and hopefully we'll see this tragedy end
in the next couple of days.
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We've got more after this. You noted that you grew
up in New York, so you are a native New Yorker.
That's that's your hometown. You watched after what happened on
(10:27):
October seventh with Columbia and the marches and the Free
Palestine and the River to the Sea, all of that
that was going on in New York. Why is your
reaction to that? Do you think that slowed things down
politically in the United States under the Biden Biden administration.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
To be honest, I don't think it had that much
of an impact. I you know, I know as in
New York, you know we nine to eleven. You know,
when New Yorkers stand together. I think also on this topic,
you know, when it's also a little bit about educating
the people like I would sometimes, you know, Golund and
talk to people that would be protesting, And I would
start off by saying something very simple, are you a
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patriotic US citizen? The question, you know, it's always yeah,
of course I am. And I would ask them, do
you know on October seventh, forty seven of our fellow
Americans were killed by Hamas? Are you aware of that fact?
Most often than not people and were not away of
that fact? And I think, you know, it's a good
(11:26):
way to start the conversation and explain that those forty
seven citizens deserve justice and they are victims of any
tailist organization that killed over two thousand people and Israel
in one day. That's a very large number. And just
by taking even deceased people and using them as negotiation chips,
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like what religion advocates for that Like, I challenge any
platform that I go on, you'll find me a email
that would say Islam speaks about making dead people and
using them as negotiationships like these are people that have
done stuff that is way out of you know, out
of the line of what any religion should talk about.
(12:11):
And we all at the end children of God, Like
it's not a competition who is sufflatable. We walked this
planet together dead things you should in p do it well.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
It is interesting because we've seen quite a division in
the United States over religion. As much as people don't
want to talk about religion, they have separated people into Christianity, Islam,
and Judaism, and they have said that this is good
and this is bad. And there seems to be a
real true rise of anti Semitism. And I mean we're
(12:43):
in the midst of this right now seeing Nick Fointes
on the Tucker Carlson Show, and you have the Heritage
Foundation that says we are okay with this, and then
they backtrack on that when you I mean you said
you come from a family who lived through the Holocaust,
knowing that you come from family members that saw the
(13:08):
worst of the worst. What would they say today as
they see this happening in the United States?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They would be shocked. Yeah, I think I think it's
a bigger topic. You know about today how people consume
and flage the opinion, and that's typically based on a
TikTok of forty five seconds. You know, it's not I
think the most educated way to look about it. And
(13:35):
it's very easy to put people into buckets people are
much more complicated than that. As I said, I grew
up New York City public education. You know, we grew
up together. We didn't care about religion. And my best
friend was from Tucky. I needed. I would go to
his place to play. I would take off my shoes
at the house, and you know, I thought I was
respecting them. That was fine. And then he would come
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over to my place and I know that he would
eat kosher almost with one another. You know, we just
want to play baseball, and you just enjoy ourselves. So
I don't know, you know, how we got to where
we got today, And it goes back to what I said.
You know, we, you know, acknowledge the fact that people
that majority of the people just want you know, simple
life for themselves, even the people in Gaza. You know,
I'm sure that they is hunger in Gaza. You know,
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hamas you know, has been taking that food and have
been you know, taking it and selling it on the
black market. And I'm showing that many people that just
want a simple life as you and I just likes
to do, and we need to take those extremists, get
them out, and you know, find ways to be able
to talk to one another. Like I said, I'm going
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to protesters in Colombia and just saying, look, you know,
we all us citizens, we have you know, a few
things in common before looking at it that a different.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
There has been a real demonization of Israel, and I
think you are absolutely correct. It is the fifteen seconds
on TikTok. The people who haven't ever been to Israel
don't understand it. Can you take us a little bit
inside of what life in Israel is and the freedom
that you have there. I think we spoke recently to
the Israeli ambassador to the United States and he came
(15:11):
on and he was talking about the fact that we
as Americans don't know what it was like having to
protect before October seventh, and what Israel always goes through
to make sure that the citizens are safe there. But
on the ground, it is a very free and beautiful society,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah? Tel Aviv is very much like the New York
I tell people that come to Tel Aviv, you should
go to New York for us. Take the subway, you know,
a couple of times, just to get the idea of people,
you know, on top of one another. It's you know,
there's a lot of high tech, so there's a lot
of the younger population that is in high tech positions.
And you know, Bill a Valley viblent positive on a community,
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we have a problem. We live in a bad neighborhood,
which means that you need to take care of yourself.
And that means that at the age of eighteen, going
to the army is mandatory, which kind of is a
different process than in the States where you go to college.
So you have to go well much more quicker. You know,
you get a gun and you know you need to
know how to protect yourself. But it creates a very
(16:13):
vibe and community where in most occasions and the idea
if you go to some technology unit and you gain
a profession and then you kind of use that as
a catapult to build your profession in civilian life, and uh,
you know, it's a very beautiful community. It has also
a lot of contrasts where we have in Jerusalem all
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the main litligions are there, which creates a lot of
tension and he as well, it's difficult sometimes to be
able to talk to your neighbors and get along. But
I think at the end, the majority of the people
just want to get along with one another, as you
know I did in New York City, and I think
that's where we should spend on an effort on. And
(16:57):
what has happened here in Isael the last two years
is not good. I think that even you know, the
is Veelli government has too many extremists instead about the
people that are more in the center and finding ways
to speak to about one another, which is unfortunate. And
in the United States as well, somehow wisdom became a
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partisan issue instead of being a bipartisan issue as it
always has been for decades. And I think it's something
that also, you know, the is Vali government needs to
think about how lea position is well in the United
States and hopefully that would also change of it, maybe
the anti Semitism we see happening in the United States today.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What do you think could change? What do you mean
explain that? What do you think could change that?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I think, you know, Isdelle should position itself inside of
the United States something that is a bipartisan concept that
for decades, it's always out of very high approval within
the United States population. We see a change in that,
specifically with the younger generation, and I think you know,
there needs to be more worked. That needs to be done,
not to educate bet how similar the A is, the
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early democratic state is to the United States and found
the same values as in the United States, and being
a blatant for the United States and what's happening in
the Middle East. That's the yelling democracy. And I think
that is the benefit of having this alliance with one another.
You know, I'm both the US and as the early citizens.
I could speak to that. But sometimes in the last
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couple of years, I've seen why the younger population has
gone down different paths. Simple dad just wants its kid back,
you know. It's a little bit about my pay late,
but something to think about.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think. I mean, I think we've all been stunned
by the I guess it's like the infiltration of this messaging.
It's coming on both sides. I see it with the
Free Palestine movement that has not been about freeing people.
It's been about it's truly a movement of hate, I believe.
And I see it on the right too. I see
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it with the nick Fuinteses of the world that are
out there saying hideous, hideous things, and people took our.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Scene, you know, another's you know, talker calls and then
talk like that a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Right exactly exactly, So how That's what I just keep
asking myself, how is this happening? What is behind this?
And I don't understand. I don't understand what's behind it.
And I've said this on the program a few times,
so some of our audience members will will know the story.
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But in twenty eighteen, we interviewed Holocaust survivors that lived
in the United States and I sat with a older
man and his wife who his wife had been in
one concentration camp and he had been in two different
concentration camps. So he was talking. She was very quiet,
she said almost nothing, and as I walked out the door,
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she grabbed onto my arm and looked me in the eyes.
And the only thing she said the whole time, and
she said, they hate the Jews, and they'll do again.
And I remember so naively thinking this would never happen again.
And that's why today when I see this, it breaks
my heart because I think of her, and I think
of that it was not just, it wasn't nasty, it
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was fear, and it was well founded.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, I could show you know my family's background. You know,
my dad his education ended at the age of sutteing
fleeing from the Nazis, and he came to the States
late nineteen fifties, didn't have much in his pocket. He
became a Union walker insuction, would wake up five in
the morning, put you know, blent on the table. My
mom was an avon lady. And if you remember that concept,
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many many yeah. And you know, we you know, made it,
made it together, and we have begged neighbors you know,
from different origins as well. We knew and I don't
live together. And it was a beautiful time you go.
You know, I remember it as a kid. You would
go down till late at night and everybody would be
outside on the sidewalks and we're playing baseball or catch
up whatever, and we would get along with one with
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one another. And somehow that kind of disappeared from a
lot of the cities in the United States where everyone
is kind of like secluded one with the other. Uh. Again,
you know, my topic is, uh the fact that you know,
we are US citizens. We grew up in the States.
You know, I tie my son did what it was
supposed to do, protecting people simple people and he was
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taking kidnapped and that was like two years ago, and
we just want him back. Uh, you know, we touched
a little bit about the topic about you know, deceased,
you know, and what it means. So we were told
the year ago that he was most likely killed and
sometimes people don't get it, like, you know, what, what
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do you want him back? From the Jewish religion, and
the belief is the soul lives for tonnity, so just
and the body is a vessel and when the soul
needs to move on to the next phase and the body,
you know, we say less than peace. What does that mean?
It means that the body needs to be in a
place that the soul can move forward. And nobody could
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say that's the case. What's the tie? And we want
him back. When we met mister Whitcoff the first time
he shared with us that was we're a part of
the same Matt club. He lost the son about a
decade and a half ago, and he said, you know,
I get you because I also lost the son. And
my wife flipped at him, Puss I can and said,
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you know the sweet cough almost you know why, because
when you feel sad, you want to be with him.
You have a place to go to. We don't. And
you know, it took half a minute to pass us,
you know that. And he looked back to her and
she's like, I understand now. And I think the President
himself at the beginning also it was difficult for him
to understand the concept. But you hear him today speaking
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so vocally about the need, you know, to bring back
off so that that would kill because that's the closure.
And I'm a dead man walking saving my son, a
saving a living. As you say, he will save me,
and he will save my family as well as the
others that want done back. And hopefully, you know, this
advestation will keep on doing what it wants, what it
needs to do when a is committed to do meeting
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me face to face, looking me in the eye and
telling me we'll get your boy back. And the President
yesterday called the family from Long Island that that some
came back, and that was one of the things that
they asked him. When he called. He said, look, job's
not done this till another US citizen he needs also
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to come back. And the President gave his commitment that'll
make that happen.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I believe that you know my my experience with President
Trump has been that family is so important, and I
will this is something I haven't shared before, but when
I was running for office, we went to mar A
Lago and we sat with the press for about twenty minutes.
My dad was very sick at the time. We lost
him just a few months after that meeting, but he
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was very sick, and I was kind of holding his
arm so that he could stand and talk to the president.
And it was the first thing that President Trump noticed.
He said, you care so much about him, So you
really love him, don't you. And I think that was
just he said it out loud because family is so important,
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and I think that's how he looks at people. How
he determines how people feel about others is how you
treat your own family. And I think part of having
you here today was so that people could have that
connection and know that you talk about your family being
patriotic and joyful, and here you are, what an amazing
father after all this time to continue you wear the shirt,
(24:51):
you're out there every day, you talk on the phone
with the administration weekly. You are not giving up what
to your your other two sons when they live look
at you. They must be so amazed by you.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, you know, he he's a middle kid, the sandwich.
I don't know about you. I'm also a sandwich with
he's the more difficult one. So you know, they always
wanted to find ways have one. I have a middle kid.
So then the ones that always had the ones, you know,
checking Boundley. So as you know, I said, I'm a
New York I'm a pile out, a New York Knicks fan.
So the eldest he became a Knicks fan, of course,
(25:27):
and he tied. You looked at me and looked at
the elder siblings said, uh, he became a Celtics fan.
You know, like that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Well, you know we would be sitting now on the couch,
you know, basketball season, just thought it. We would be
talking about the Knicks and the Celtics and what will
be going on. And that's why he's missed. And you know,
we have a dinner table where we have an empty chair,
and uh, you know, everybody feels it and we all
just want to be able to be as whole in
order to move on. So that's why we advocate and
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want and.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Back do the other boys. Are they in the eye?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
No, No, So the youngest is fifteen and the eldest
is twenty four.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Okay, so the youngest is not at this time. Mad
you join when you're eighteen? Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah? Eighteen two, two and a half years.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next
on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. What's it like for him
to watch this? I mean at fifteen, I have a
daughter that's sixteen. I have a daughter that's fourteen. They
have been surprisingly for me, they have been so in
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tune with the hate and we're they're very they go
to Christian school and they're very faithful. They're very involved
in our religion. And I think that I look at
our religion, the Christianity and your religion as being a
religions of love, and really I think religion should be
the number one focus should be love. And they've seen
(26:58):
so much hate. Or your younger son, how has that
affected him? He lost his brother and now there is this,
I mean, you're bombarded on social media with this hate.
How do how does he react? And how do you
think we switch that?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, it's not a shelter. And as much as possible
from that. You know, he does have a normal routine.
You know, high school you know has its own challenges
as you know, Yes, and we have a support system.
So the cuss and the blessing is the fact that
jun online and fifty five families have become a new family,
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families of hostages, and within that you find, you know,
those that you are able to use as a support
system because they understand things that we need to encounter
as well. So those that he is able to speak
to and from his own age and talk about things
that only those that are going through that can understand.
(27:56):
So that is the you know, cuss and the blessing
of what happened to us.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Is there anything that you would say to I mean,
you noted that Tucker Carlson has seemed to change. For
people who are suddenly speaking in this negative way, what
would your message be to them?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, so to be honest, you know, talking and I
you know we text every once in a while. I
thought to give them a different viewpoint. I like to
think that maybe we could agree upon such as being
a patiotic, you a citizen? What does that mean when
it comes to us sausages being held against their will?
And you know where the United States should have an
obligation to support that. You know, we can disagree about
other things, but I think on that topic we agreed upon.
(28:37):
And I just you know, like you said, being a
good Christian is looking at the good, looking at the love.
You know, there's enough hate going on. You know. The Christianity,
you know, does come from the Old Testament, which is Judyism.
So that a lot of uh shand values one what's
the other? So I would say to talk, you know,
(28:58):
I think what what makes us more all similar than
what makes us diffoot?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Absolutely, yes, we are forever connected. I would agree with that,
And I just want to say that we look at
what you do every day, and we look at the
families who have lost people and the families who have
even the hostages that come home that go on to
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live their life. We know that they are also forever changed.
And our prayers are with you. We are thinking of
you all the time. I want you to know that
it is not the things that you see that seem hateful.
There are so many more of us who are praying
for you every day and want to make sure that
Eatype comes home.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
God blessed, Thank him for saying.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
That absolutely and I appreciate you coming on today. God
bless you Ruby Hen. We appreciate you, Thank you, Thank
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You are listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast, and we
want to talk about the Israeli hostage ordeal for many
of us. I think in the United States we think
of it as being over because the living hostages are home.
But it is not over. And that's what we want
to talk about today. It is not over for the
families who are still waiting for their loved ones, their sons,
(00:23):
their husbands, their fathers. There is no closure right now,
and it may be even worse because many of them
are afraid that their loved ones will be forgotten and
will not be returned home. And I know they have
been speaking with the administration and calling out to the President,
who has committed to make sure that these people are
connected back with their families. Today we were joined by
(00:46):
one of those families, the father of Etai Hen Ruby. Hen,
thank you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We know that your son was one of the He
was one of the soldiers on October seventh, Is that correct?
Can you take us a little bit through his story?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah. So, I'm a New Yorker. I like to say
power outcome of the New York public education system decided
after doing the NYU met my wife, we decided to
live in Tel Aviv and have three sons. Tai is
the middle sibling, so he has an elder and younger sibling.
He loved the extra curriculum activities, from basketball to climbing
(01:31):
on walls, being a boy scout, any typical kid you
had bump into. And at the age of eighteen, both
my family and my wife's family are Holocaust survivors, so
the understanding of protecting the Jewish state, you know, meant
a lot to him, and he joined the IDEF. He
was in a text division and on that fatal October seventh,
he was protecting the seas fire on the board of Gaza.
(01:54):
They got ambushed, but they did what they were supposed
to do. They protected and saved a lot of Jewish
lives from Valuy. Terrible fate that tend those Tairovists also
came both anti tank missiles and utualized the tank after
a few hours of fighting. And we were in limbo
for a number of days not down what happened to him,
(02:15):
And only on Thursday, five days after, we got a
knock on the door saying, well we got to the tank.
Inside the tank it's a squad of four people and
one of them was killed, pinned down inside, three others
missing an action, and it Tie was one of the
twelve US citizens that was taking hostage. He is the
youngest hostage of having a US citizenship. He ties battle
(02:38):
and his team ended on that fatal October seventh, But
since then a new battle began. That is the battle
of two hundred and fifty five families wanted to get
their loved ones back in fluting twelve US families and
that has been seven hundred and fifty nine days ago,
and were still fighting to get him back.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You noted that you wear a shirt with his name
and the number of days that he's been missing.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
That's indeed, it's a way for us to kind of
emphasize the point each day that passes by. And we've
been to the White House too often in the last
two years advocating for the little lease of TCO citizens,
including all the other hostages. We have been able to
see back two hundred and forty seven osages, but there's
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still eight left behind excluding my son, still the only
US citizen left behind in captivity.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You've praised President Trump for his commitment to do it.
But I know that you also have said, you know
this was you were hoping this would happen in the
first hundred days. You are you still feel like the
priority should be US citizens. Your son is still has
still not been returned home. Do you feel confident that
(03:57):
the administration is committed to getting him home.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah. So we got to know President Trump, and you
know how he looks at this. Even in his first
administration from people that know him, he took a special
interest in US hostages. It should be a liability, not
an asset, to take any US citizen any place, and
there should be consequences with those people that take US citizens.
(04:23):
And when this administration began and with the President detailing
the America First policy, which put an emphasis on bringing
back US citizens that were held hostage or unlawfully detained,
and this administration has done a fabulous job. Dozens of
US citizens from all over have been able to come back.
I think it was about two weeks ago we had
(04:45):
a US citizen from Afghanistan held bet It Taliban that
was able to come back. So we know that the
President cares deeply about this, as well as the Vice
President that we met. I think ten days ago and
Segotary Ribio and of course Special Envoy Gov and child
Kushna that I've been spearheading these efforts and they said,
(05:05):
we won't give up. We'll get everybody back. That is
a commitment. That is the deal that was signed. It
was signed on forty eight hostages to come back. I
wasn't on forty or twenty five. It was on forty eight.
And until today we've seen forty come out. So they're
still eight on account at four and I could shay,
(05:26):
you've been today texting mister Wickcoff and mister Kushna. They
both gave me the commitment that the jobs out there.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Do you so you believe that those eight will come home?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Oh he's out face. Uh it's pretty hard. Doctor goes
through these two years off hell without it.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Why do you think they think it's been such a
slow process. We believed that. I mean, we were expecting
this a couple of weeks ago for everyone to come
at the same time. Why do you think there's been
a delay in some of these people coming back.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well, you know, it's come on. You know, they have
a different compass than we do. They have a very
good idea where all the hostages.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Are you do believe that they know where they are?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh yeah, I'm not buying that they don't know. Well,
just let's not forget. They were the ones that kidnapped
and abducted them, so they know where they put them,
so they should have a pretty good idea when they
stashed them. And they of course would like to lead
gain control of the areas that the idea of left
in order to be in a better position when negotiating
(06:32):
from the second phase, which we you know, have been
a vocal about that. We believe that the second fashould
not begin befirst before the first phase has been completed,
which details the evil leies so all of the twenty
eight hostages.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Do you feel that the Biden administration was working as
hard as the Trump administration was. Did you have meetings
with the Biden administration?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yes, we had a very good meetings with the Biden administration.
Decided to keep this a bipartisan issue, which you think
it should be. But to be honest, you know, the
game plan that the Biden administation had was that it
Ronaldson on see those hostages come out via Islael and
(07:20):
the Boston and that didn't pan out, and we thought
that should be a plan be and you know, going
to the administration and asking them was plan B. And
there was never a plan being And I didn't understand why.
You know, it was such a long time that went by,
and the previous administration unfortunately did not single out the
(07:44):
US citizens and wanted to find a way to get
them out. Uh. With the Trump administration, Uh, you know,
I could say both sides, we asked this to keep
this a bipartisan issue, and indeed we asked, you know,
mister Sullivan to immediately engage was his counterpart, which did happen.
(08:06):
And as such, we saw that deal happened in January,
which was very important. That was the first phase of
this phase, you could call it. And we saw the
President and his ability to bring the sides together and
get that deal to the finish line. And what we
saw two weeks ago, you know, again the President with
(08:27):
his ability at the UN putting together all of the
al leaders together, building a coalition that brought Comas to
the negotiation table. And also mister Kushna that has his
history of the able Amaccords on being able to ban
all the adult players together. You saw them walking together
with mister Kushna and mister Widcoff together and we got
(08:49):
the deal done and hopefully we'll see this tragedy end
in the next couple of days.
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We've got more after this. You noted that you grew
up in New York, so you are a native New Yorker.
That's that's your hometown. You watched after what happened on
(10:27):
October seventh with Columbia and the marches and the Free
Palestine and the River to the Sea, all of that
that was going on in New York. Why is your
reaction to that? Do you think that slowed things down
politically in the United States under the Biden Biden administration.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
To be honest, I don't think it had that much
of an impact. I you know, I know as in
New York, you know we nine to eleven. You know,
when New Yorkers stand together. I think also on this topic,
you know, when it's also a little bit about educating
the people like I would sometimes, you know, Golund and
talk to people that would be protesting, And I would
start off by saying something very simple, are you a
(11:06):
patriotic US citizen? The question, you know, it's always yeah,
of course I am. And I would ask them, do
you know on October seventh, forty seven of our fellow
Americans were killed by Hamas? Are you aware of that fact?
Most often than not people and were not away of
that fact? And I think, you know, it's a good
(11:26):
way to start the conversation and explain that those forty
seven citizens deserve justice and they are victims of any
tailist organization that killed over two thousand people and Israel
in one day. That's a very large number. And just
by taking even deceased people and using them as negotiation chips,
(11:49):
like what religion advocates for that Like, I challenge any
platform that I go on, you'll find me a email
that would say Islam speaks about making dead people and
using them as negotiationships like these are people that have
done stuff that is way out of you know, out
of the line of what any religion should talk about.
(12:11):
And we all at the end children of God, Like
it's not a competition who is sufflatable. We walked this
planet together dead things you should in p do it well.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
It is interesting because we've seen quite a division in
the United States over religion. As much as people don't
want to talk about religion, they have separated people into Christianity, Islam,
and Judaism, and they have said that this is good
and this is bad. And there seems to be a
real true rise of anti Semitism. And I mean we're
(12:43):
in the midst of this right now seeing Nick Fointes
on the Tucker Carlson Show, and you have the Heritage
Foundation that says we are okay with this, and then
they backtrack on that when you I mean you said
you come from a family who lived through the Holocaust,
knowing that you come from family members that saw the
(13:08):
worst of the worst. What would they say today as
they see this happening in the United States?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They would be shocked. Yeah, I think I think it's
a bigger topic. You know about today how people consume
and flage the opinion, and that's typically based on a
TikTok of forty five seconds. You know, it's not I
think the most educated way to look about it. And
(13:35):
it's very easy to put people into buckets people are
much more complicated than that. As I said, I grew
up New York City public education. You know, we grew
up together. We didn't care about religion. And my best
friend was from Tucky. I needed. I would go to
his place to play. I would take off my shoes
at the house, and you know, I thought I was
respecting them. That was fine. And then he would come
(13:57):
over to my place and I know that he would
eat kosher almost with one another. You know, we just
want to play baseball, and you just enjoy ourselves. So
I don't know, you know, how we got to where
we got today, And it goes back to what I said.
You know, we, you know, acknowledge the fact that people
that majority of the people just want you know, simple
life for themselves, even the people in Gaza. You know,
I'm sure that they is hunger in Gaza. You know,
(14:20):
hamas you know, has been taking that food and have
been you know, taking it and selling it on the
black market. And I'm showing that many people that just
want a simple life as you and I just likes
to do, and we need to take those extremists, get
them out, and you know, find ways to be able
to talk to one another. Like I said, I'm going
(14:41):
to protesters in Colombia and just saying, look, you know,
we all us citizens, we have you know, a few
things in common before looking at it that a different.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
There has been a real demonization of Israel, and I
think you are absolutely correct. It is the fifteen seconds
on TikTok. The people who haven't ever been to Israel
don't understand it. Can you take us a little bit
inside of what life in Israel is and the freedom
that you have there. I think we spoke recently to
the Israeli ambassador to the United States and he came
(15:11):
on and he was talking about the fact that we
as Americans don't know what it was like having to
protect before October seventh, and what Israel always goes through
to make sure that the citizens are safe there. But
on the ground, it is a very free and beautiful society,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah? Tel Aviv is very much like the New York
I tell people that come to Tel Aviv, you should
go to New York for us. Take the subway, you know,
a couple of times, just to get the idea of people,
you know, on top of one another. It's you know,
there's a lot of high tech, so there's a lot
of the younger population that is in high tech positions.
And you know, Bill a Valley viblent positive on a community,
(15:51):
we have a problem. We live in a bad neighborhood,
which means that you need to take care of yourself.
And that means that at the age of eighteen, going
to the army is mandatory, which kind of is a
different process than in the States where you go to college.
So you have to go well much more quicker. You know,
you get a gun and you know you need to
know how to protect yourself. But it creates a very
(16:13):
vibe and community where in most occasions and the idea
if you go to some technology unit and you gain
a profession and then you kind of use that as
a catapult to build your profession in civilian life, and uh,
you know, it's a very beautiful community. It has also
a lot of contrasts where we have in Jerusalem all
(16:36):
the main litligions are there, which creates a lot of
tension and he as well, it's difficult sometimes to be
able to talk to your neighbors and get along. But
I think at the end, the majority of the people
just want to get along with one another, as you
know I did in New York City, and I think
that's where we should spend on an effort on. And
(16:57):
what has happened here in Isael the last two years
is not good. I think that even you know, the
is Veelli government has too many extremists instead about the
people that are more in the center and finding ways
to speak to about one another, which is unfortunate. And
in the United States as well, somehow wisdom became a
(17:18):
partisan issue instead of being a bipartisan issue as it
always has been for decades. And I think it's something
that also, you know, the is Vali government needs to
think about how lea position is well in the United
States and hopefully that would also change of it, maybe
the anti Semitism we see happening in the United States today.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What do you think could change? What do you mean
explain that? What do you think could change that?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I think, you know, Isdelle should position itself inside of
the United States something that is a bipartisan concept that
for decades, it's always out of very high approval within
the United States population. We see a change in that,
specifically with the younger generation, and I think you know,
there needs to be more worked. That needs to be done,
not to educate bet how similar the A is, the
(18:05):
early democratic state is to the United States and found
the same values as in the United States, and being
a blatant for the United States and what's happening in
the Middle East. That's the yelling democracy. And I think
that is the benefit of having this alliance with one another.
You know, I'm both the US and as the early citizens.
I could speak to that. But sometimes in the last
(18:27):
couple of years, I've seen why the younger population has
gone down different paths. Simple dad just wants its kid back,
you know. It's a little bit about my pay late,
but something to think about.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think. I mean, I think we've all been stunned
by the I guess it's like the infiltration of this messaging.
It's coming on both sides. I see it with the
Free Palestine movement that has not been about freeing people.
It's been about it's truly a movement of hate, I believe.
And I see it on the right too. I see
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it with the nick Fuinteses of the world that are
out there saying hideous, hideous things, and people took our.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Scene, you know, another's you know, talker calls and then
talk like that a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Right exactly exactly, So how That's what I just keep
asking myself, how is this happening? What is behind this?
And I don't understand. I don't understand what's behind it.
And I've said this on the program a few times,
so some of our audience members will will know the story.
(19:32):
But in twenty eighteen, we interviewed Holocaust survivors that lived
in the United States and I sat with a older
man and his wife who his wife had been in
one concentration camp and he had been in two different
concentration camps. So he was talking. She was very quiet,
she said almost nothing, and as I walked out the door,
(19:53):
she grabbed onto my arm and looked me in the eyes.
And the only thing she said the whole time, and
she said, they hate the Jews, and they'll do again.
And I remember so naively thinking this would never happen again.
And that's why today when I see this, it breaks
my heart because I think of her, and I think
of that it was not just, it wasn't nasty, it
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was fear, and it was well founded.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, I could show you know my family's background. You know,
my dad his education ended at the age of sutteing
fleeing from the Nazis, and he came to the States
late nineteen fifties, didn't have much in his pocket. He
became a Union walker insuction, would wake up five in
the morning, put you know, blent on the table. My
mom was an avon lady. And if you remember that concept,
(20:44):
many many yeah. And you know, we you know, made it,
made it together, and we have begged neighbors you know,
from different origins as well. We knew and I don't
live together. And it was a beautiful time you go.
You know, I remember it as a kid. You would
go down till late at night and everybody would be
outside on the sidewalks and we're playing baseball or catch
up whatever, and we would get along with one with
(21:06):
one another. And somehow that kind of disappeared from a
lot of the cities in the United States where everyone
is kind of like secluded one with the other. Uh. Again,
you know, my topic is, uh the fact that you know,
we are US citizens. We grew up in the States.
You know, I tie my son did what it was
supposed to do, protecting people simple people and he was
(21:30):
taking kidnapped and that was like two years ago, and
we just want him back. Uh, you know, we touched
a little bit about the topic about you know, deceased,
you know, and what it means. So we were told
the year ago that he was most likely killed and
sometimes people don't get it, like, you know, what, what
(21:51):
do you want him back? From the Jewish religion, and
the belief is the soul lives for tonnity, so just
and the body is a vessel and when the soul
needs to move on to the next phase and the body,
you know, we say less than peace. What does that mean?
It means that the body needs to be in a
place that the soul can move forward. And nobody could
(22:14):
say that's the case. What's the tie? And we want
him back. When we met mister Whitcoff the first time
he shared with us that was we're a part of
the same Matt club. He lost the son about a
decade and a half ago, and he said, you know,
I get you because I also lost the son. And
my wife flipped at him, Puss I can and said,
(22:34):
you know the sweet cough almost you know why, because
when you feel sad, you want to be with him.
You have a place to go to. We don't. And
you know, it took half a minute to pass us,
you know that. And he looked back to her and
she's like, I understand now. And I think the President
himself at the beginning also it was difficult for him
to understand the concept. But you hear him today speaking
(22:56):
so vocally about the need, you know, to bring back
off so that that would kill because that's the closure.
And I'm a dead man walking saving my son, a
saving a living. As you say, he will save me,
and he will save my family as well as the
others that want done back. And hopefully, you know, this
advestation will keep on doing what it wants, what it
needs to do when a is committed to do meeting
(23:18):
me face to face, looking me in the eye and
telling me we'll get your boy back. And the President
yesterday called the family from Long Island that that some
came back, and that was one of the things that
they asked him. When he called. He said, look, job's
not done this till another US citizen he needs also
(23:41):
to come back. And the President gave his commitment that'll
make that happen.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I believe that you know my my experience with President
Trump has been that family is so important, and I
will this is something I haven't shared before, but when
I was running for office, we went to mar A
Lago and we sat with the press for about twenty minutes.
My dad was very sick at the time. We lost
him just a few months after that meeting, but he
(24:07):
was very sick, and I was kind of holding his
arm so that he could stand and talk to the president.
And it was the first thing that President Trump noticed.
He said, you care so much about him, So you
really love him, don't you. And I think that was
just he said it out loud because family is so important,
(24:27):
and I think that's how he looks at people. How
he determines how people feel about others is how you
treat your own family. And I think part of having
you here today was so that people could have that
connection and know that you talk about your family being
patriotic and joyful, and here you are, what an amazing
father after all this time to continue you wear the shirt,
(24:51):
you're out there every day, you talk on the phone
with the administration weekly. You are not giving up what
to your your other two sons when they live look
at you. They must be so amazed by you.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, you know, he he's a middle kid, the sandwich.
I don't know about you. I'm also a sandwich with
he's the more difficult one. So you know, they always
wanted to find ways have one. I have a middle kid.
So then the ones that always had the ones, you know,
checking Boundley. So as you know, I said, I'm a
New York I'm a pile out, a New York Knicks fan.
So the eldest he became a Knicks fan, of course,
(25:27):
and he tied. You looked at me and looked at
the elder siblings said, uh, he became a Celtics fan.
You know, like that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Well, you know we would be sitting now on the couch,
you know, basketball season, just thought it. We would be
talking about the Knicks and the Celtics and what will
be going on. And that's why he's missed. And you know,
we have a dinner table where we have an empty chair,
and uh, you know, everybody feels it and we all
just want to be able to be as whole in
order to move on. So that's why we advocate and
(25:56):
want and.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Back do the other boys. Are they in the eye?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
No, No, So the youngest is fifteen and the eldest
is twenty four.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Okay, so the youngest is not at this time. Mad
you join when you're eighteen? Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah? Eighteen two, two and a half years.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next
on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. What's it like for him
to watch this? I mean at fifteen, I have a
daughter that's sixteen. I have a daughter that's fourteen. They
have been surprisingly for me, they have been so in
(26:36):
tune with the hate and we're they're very they go
to Christian school and they're very faithful. They're very involved
in our religion. And I think that I look at
our religion, the Christianity and your religion as being a
religions of love, and really I think religion should be
the number one focus should be love. And they've seen
(26:58):
so much hate. Or your younger son, how has that
affected him? He lost his brother and now there is this,
I mean, you're bombarded on social media with this hate.
How do how does he react? And how do you
think we switch that?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, it's not a shelter. And as much as possible
from that. You know, he does have a normal routine.
You know, high school you know has its own challenges
as you know, Yes, and we have a support system.
So the cuss and the blessing is the fact that
jun online and fifty five families have become a new family,
(27:34):
families of hostages, and within that you find, you know,
those that you are able to use as a support
system because they understand things that we need to encounter
as well. So those that he is able to speak
to and from his own age and talk about things
that only those that are going through that can understand.
(27:56):
So that is the you know, cuss and the blessing
of what happened to us.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Is there anything that you would say to I mean,
you noted that Tucker Carlson has seemed to change. For
people who are suddenly speaking in this negative way, what
would your message be to them?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, so to be honest, you know, talking and I
you know we text every once in a while. I
thought to give them a different viewpoint. I like to
think that maybe we could agree upon such as being
a patiotic, you a citizen? What does that mean when
it comes to us sausages being held against their will?
And you know where the United States should have an
obligation to support that. You know, we can disagree about
other things, but I think on that topic we agreed upon.
(28:37):
And I just you know, like you said, being a
good Christian is looking at the good, looking at the love.
You know, there's enough hate going on. You know. The Christianity,
you know, does come from the Old Testament, which is Judyism.
So that a lot of uh shand values one what's
the other? So I would say to talk, you know,
(28:58):
I think what what makes us more all similar than
what makes us diffoot?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Absolutely, yes, we are forever connected. I would agree with that,
And I just want to say that we look at
what you do every day, and we look at the
families who have lost people and the families who have
even the hostages that come home that go on to
(29:27):
live their life. We know that they are also forever changed.
And our prayers are with you. We are thinking of
you all the time. I want you to know that
it is not the things that you see that seem hateful.
There are so many more of us who are praying
for you every day and want to make sure that
Eatype comes home.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
God blessed, Thank him for saying.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
That absolutely and I appreciate you coming on today. God
bless you Ruby Hen. We appreciate you, Thank you, Thank
you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For
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(30:08):
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