November 5, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers in-depth analysis of the New York City mayoral election, national political trends, and a major Supreme Court case that could reshape trade policy. The hour kicks off with guest Ryan Girdusky, who breaks down the surprising demographic shifts in Zohran Mamdani’s landslide victory. While Mamdani dominated among Black and Hispanic voters, Andrew Cuomo unexpectedly won white and Asian voters—yet turnout surged so dramatically that Mamdani prevailed. Girdusky highlights how Curtis Sliwa failed to consolidate even a fraction of the Republican vote, underscoring the GOP’s urban weakness.
The conversation pivots to Republican turnout problems, with Clay and Buck citing data showing 600,000 fewer Trump voters in Virginia and New Jersey compared to 2024, despite strong GOP candidates like Jack Ciattarelli. Democrats, fueled by anti-Trump sentiment and slogans like “No Kings”, are voting at near-presidential levels, while Republicans appear complacent. Girdusky warns that youth unemployment, inflation, and high food prices remain critical issues for the GOP to address before the 2026 midterms. He also stresses the need for ballot initiatives—such as making English the official language—to energize conservative turnout.
The hour then examines California’s Proposition 50, which could give Democrats 4–5 new congressional seats through redistricting, offsetting GOP gains in Texas. Clay and Buck argue that Republicans must focus on swing districts Trump won by less than five points and invest heavily in mobilization strategies to maintain control of Congress.
A major legal topic dominates the latter half: the Supreme Court review of Trump’s tariff authority. The hosts explain that Trump relied on a 1970s emergency statute to impose tariffs, citing crises like fentanyl and trade deficits. If the Court rules against him, it could invalidate hundreds of billions in tariff revenue and spark a constitutional showdown over separation of powers. Clay and Buck explore historical context, noting tariffs were America’s original revenue source before the income tax, and debate whether refunds would be required if the tariffs are struck down.
The discussion expands into tax policy and government overreach, with fiery commentary on property taxes, Social Security’s sustainability, and the welfare state. Listeners call in with sharp takes, including a historical breakdown of tariffs and a controversial claim about women’s voting rights that sparks a lively close to the show. Clay and Buck end by emphasizing how hate-driven politics and envy-based messaging dominate Democratic strategy, while Republicans must counter with economic solutions and cultural engagement.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to a very special episode of Playing Buck.
We are playing the new mayor of New York City's
theme music Zorn Mamdani, the Kami, worthy of the Soviet anthem.
To be sure, that's the way it is, folks, I'm
wearing red today solidarity with the Kami. Our friend Ry
(00:23):
Gerdusky joins us. Now, Ryan, we are pouring out some
vodka shots over here for comrade Mom Donnie Mamdanni and
his victory. I guess no surprises. What are your biggest
takeaways from how all this went down in New York, Well,
in New York specifically.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
The one thing I really was surprised about was how
much the coalitions changed between the primary and the general.
So in the primary, Cuomo won Hispanic voters and Black
voters by large margins. And it was and there was
white voters and Asian voters that really turn on him.
In this election, Cuomo won white voters and Asian voters,
and he'll blacks and Hispanics. Had he performed as well
(01:02):
with blacks and Hispanics in the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens,
he would have won. So I was pretty surprising. I
actually thought he was going to keep the coalition of
this primary much much closer than he actually did. That
was my biggest takeaway. But she was just the mere
magnitude and size of how many people showed up. It
was just massive to vote both for and against him.
And then lastly, I guess how much Courtisy was in
(01:24):
the end, couldn't keep even a flagming of what Republicans
are in the city together.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So how much concern should we have going forward based
on these results? And let me give you my thesis
and you tell me if I'm a moron in your
mind or.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Not looking at ever?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, looking at the rough margins here, and I know
one is the general election the presidency, which drives out
higher turnout. But six hundred thousand fewer Trump voters voted
in New Jersey this year compared to last year, and
about the same number or fewer in Virginia, six hundred
thousand less. In fact, Trump twenty twenty four got more
(02:06):
votes than Spanberger did yesterday, and more votes substantially than
Cheryl did, both of which got them elected governors. Again,
I know, twenty five versus twenty four, But when I
look at this, Ryan, my concern is will Trump's base
that elected him in twenty twenty four. Will those people
show up in twenty six and then you can project
(02:27):
it beyond when Trump's not on the ballot in twenty eight.
How durable is this coalition?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, I mean at any coalition it does matter a lot,
but who runs it right? And you can look at
the Obama coalition see how long they lasts or aout Obama.
I think the big thing is is that if you
look at the way that this turn happened, right, Jack
Chitarelli was a good candidate, run a solid campaign, and
he built a model of how to win based upon
(02:55):
a twenty twenty one style election results. He got one
hundred and twenty two thousand more votes and he got
four years prior that would have won an election. He's
got more votes than den Murphy did, and he got
more votes I think the most Republicans I think ever did.
I think he won more votes than even Chris Christy
did when he got sixty percent. He built a platform
in a campaign that would that would win you a
(03:17):
normal style you know, off off your election. The thing
is we didn't have that normal style off off your election.
Four hundred thousand more people showed up is that there
vote f form. Mikey Sherrol, Mikey Cherrow got eight close
to eighty percent of the Kamala Harris old in Jersey
or eighty one percent in Kamala Harris rode in Jersey,
and Jack Jack Cirelli got seventy percent of the Trump coalition.
(03:40):
That's just not enough. Part of that is to voter enthusiasms,
voter enthusiasm. Part of it is the fact that the
economy it's not a wonderful shape for young people, right,
young people, Hispanic people, people who wanted to elect Trump.
Have him wave a magic wand have prices go back
to the way that we're in twenty nineteen. Have the economy
Electory at twenty eighteen are deeply frustrated now, you know?
(04:00):
Are they are? They? Should they be frustrated? Should they
be surprised if they can't go back in ten months? No,
they shouldn't. But that's not America, and America wants to
everything instantaneously. In Virginia, Winston's He's ran a bad campaign.
That's why she was down by fifteen points and worse
than every other Republican on the ballot, and that definitely
dragged Republicans down. Furthermore, you also the government shut down,
(04:21):
which deeply affects Virginia, and so you have all those
things mixtured. No one should lose their light, their hair
on fire over this. You know, it's terrible, it's awful.
But if you look at the overall election from Georgia
to racist in Connecticut, the races in Kansas, Republicans are
being trounced up and down the ballot. Democrats are very enthusiastic.
Democrats really want to show that Trump is that Trump
(04:44):
needs to be stopped, and Republicans are complacent. This is
what happens when you hold the White House, is that
the immediate aftermath, the party in power gets complacent. Until
we got Glenn Youngkin in twenty twenty one. You can
look at how we got Bob McDonald's in two thousand
and nine. This is just a very frequent thing that happens,
and no one should be like this shows, you know,
(05:05):
the whole Maga agenda is over. That does not show
this whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Ryan Gerdoski with us It's a numbers game. Is this
podcast on the Klayanbuck network, which you should all check
out on a plan Buck podcast network which I just said, Ryan,
if you're looking at this, and I'm either I agree
with you. I don't think that there's a roadmap to
all things political that you can draw from what just
happened here, But putting it aside for a second, based
(05:31):
on the data, the demographics, and what we are seeing
not just in these races, but just more broadly, what
does for the midterms specifically? Right, this is not about
a Trump reelection campaign per se, What does a winning
Republican strategy look like going into this midterm next year?
(05:52):
So that they can like, what are the issues, what's
the messaging? What do you take away from that?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, I mean prices are a big part of it,
definitely the economy. And I was on your show yesterday,
so the electric prices are a big deal. What I
think I think the missed opportunity for the Trump White
House and the Trump political shop was they really should
have been working to have their own campaign to really
see they could drive out local pensaity voters in these
off off your cycles and claim those wins. Even focus
(06:20):
on New Jersey and Virginia. They could have done the
races in Pennsylvania or races somewhere else in the country,
but they chose not to. What I think that I
think going forward into this into this next year is
some kind of levity on youth unemployment, which is very high,
especially among recent college graduates. It's very very high. You
(06:40):
know a lot of colleges who cannot find jobs. That's
a big deal to work somewhere out on just on
trying to reduce the ramifications of inflation that happened over
the last five years. I know that's very hard to do.
I know that food prices are remarkably high and are
staying that way. I guess do whatever you can in
that in that, in that in that in the eighteen
(07:04):
months or a year to figure out how you can
reduce those prices to that working class people feel a
little less of a pinch. And you have Trump beust
to get it back on the road again. It has
to sit they're in start campaigning again to get his
base to show up in big numbers because Democrats, as
I said, Estory, are showing up like it's the presidential elections.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Ryan, is there a line that Democrats just won't cross?
Because when I see J. Jones win by six and
a half points, widely covered the amount of media that's
covered the Jay Jones. Now, maybe he doesn't get criticized
the same way that a Republican would, but for him
(07:43):
to win by six and a half points was really
the only result I saw last night where I thought
to myself, my goodness, this is this is not a
sign of sanity.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean, look, they voted, they've they hate Trump
means more to them than any level of decency, and
that is a guiding light for them. I mean, and
you saw for particularly women, college educated women, hating Trump
is everything to them, right. And I know it's very
uncomfortable for some people to realize, having Cynthia Nixon's of
(08:17):
the world, there are living in this country, but there
are a lot, and they are unlike you know, a
good political friend of mine told me this, Unlike conservatives
who have Church, QBC and the Republican Party, Democrats only
have The Liberals only have the Democratic Party to fuel
all their frustrations and all their anger in. And I
(08:38):
think that and all their money into and I think
that that is where we're spending a lot of Oh,
they're spending all the time and energy. And I don't
think that J Jones could have J Jones could have
kicked the dog while saying some exploitive about people, saying
that I hope you know all people do this or that,
and he still would have won because in part because
when Smithsthears's numbers were so high highly ken and I
(09:00):
said this on the podcast on Numbers Team, if she
wins by double digits, there's no way which is just
loses by double jigits, there's diener way to carry to
stop j Jones from winning the election.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Ryan, how big a deal is Proposition fifties passage out
in californiaf we've mentioned this, We hadn't really because it's
a proposition, right, and it's about redistricting, but it really
does matter. How much does it matter for the mid terms?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, a lot. I mean, you're looking at probably four
to five seat game for Democrats over there. That really
wipes out what Republicans are doing in Texas, and Democrats
are going to step up in Virginia as well and
probably draw out two or three Republicans out of Virginia.
And in the end, from the redistricting thing, I mean,
you may be in a position where, even without New
(09:49):
York or New Jersey changing the map, you may be
in a position where Democrats and Republicans are basically running
even as they were beforehand.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Okay, so mid the terms are one year from today.
Last year, one year anniversary of Trump's big win. We asked,
you know, how much disposition should there be on expectations
going forward? If you were asked right now, hey, President Trump,
what President Trump said, what should we focus on Ryan
(10:19):
based on the numbers that you have seen to ensure
that Republicans, say, in control of the House and the Senate,
that would be what I would immediately.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I mean, if we're especially we're looking at the Senate
seats right now and then in critical spring seats, I
would look at any suite at any district where Trump
received under five won by less than five points. Right,
Because even in Virginia, even in the state House, Republicans
stopped the bleeding at about three points. Right, That's all
they got the districts that voted for Trump by three
points and the last or maybe four points the less
(10:50):
they they flipped Democrat, but all the rest of them
stayed Republican. Right, So there wasn't this bleeding where like
Trump plus ten districts loss. So that's important thing to
remember a cavea to remember One. I would sit there
and start really trying to mobilize your your old base
again by trying to make sure that they're engagingly know
when the election is and that takes a year of
political work and it takes you know, hundreds of millions off,
(11:13):
not a billion dollars. Secondly, I would sit there and
really start trying to focus on easy, deliverable, positive pr
wins that are you know, that are that are there
that they could easily do, and what I would what
I would try, I mean, this is not anything that
they can't do. Try to get ballid measurements on the
ballot in these critical states ahead of the twenty twenty
(11:35):
six midterms where you could do like English as the
official language ballat mid term to drive up Republican conservative
independent turning a turnout, because that was a big part
of New Jersey where I was looking at the results
yesterday in Jersey and we're on the phone. When I
was on the phone with you guys, was that the
independent turnout was way down in place like Morris County,
and I was like, these are conservatives that are not
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reistered Republican. This is not a good sign So give
the drive, give an give another initiative, another reason to
show up. Try to get ballid measurements on these critical
Spring states and all these states with the critical spring
seats ahead of the twenty twenty six men terms.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Ryan or Duski, everybody appreciate you, my friend, and hopefully
the next time we have you on to talk election
results will be a little more to celebrate, a little
more for the GOP to get excited about.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 1 (13:43):
Oh, welcome back in here to Clay in Buck. Oh,
my friends, a lot of you on a weigh in
on a lot of things. But one thing that we
mentioned that this unfortunately could be a bit of a problem.
Supreme Court looking at Trump's tariffs, which remember a little
bit of review here, we were told they would be
(14:06):
so bad for the economy. Meanwhile they've been it seems,
hundreds of billions of dollars in the American coffer and
the economy's doing just great, at least when it comes
to trade, the stock market, investment, things like that. Yes,
prices are high, but and some people said, well, prices
are going to rise a lot because of terriffs. We
(14:28):
actually haven't seen that. If they've risen, they've risen a
little bit. But that's something that's certainly on everyone's mind,
because if the Supreme Court were to say Trump's tariffs
are unconstitutional, we have a problem. This is cut thirty
three Trump just in Miami, my city. Here, here's what
(14:48):
he's saying. Play it.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
One hundred of the jobs have come from the private sector.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Otherwise you don't have a country.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I mean, I love government workers, but if you have
all government workers, you don't have a country, do you.
At the same time, my tariffs are bringing in hundreds
of billions of dollars in a helping slash the deficit
this year by more than fifty percent. Did you see
those numbers? We're going to be down fifty percent anywhere
from twenty five to fifty, but closer to fifty percent.
(15:14):
To them who would think that one those are big numbers.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Clay whateveryone thinks of the tariffs if they were to
get undermined by the Supreme or effectively done away with
by the Supreme Court. That's gonna get messy. What do
you even do?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
It's it's not dissimilar in my mind back to how
you in birthright citizenship. Sometimes the law has just been
applied for so long and so significantly you would have
to give refunds. It would turn into a real mess.
So a part of me wonders if they could say, hey,
we don't think this is constitutional. But it's also also
(15:56):
incredibly difficult for the court to argue to order a
remediation in some way in this perspective, So they could
try to instruct Congress to see if Congress would vote
to give the president the authority right, because this is
really a separation of powers argument. It's does the president
have the power under emergency declarations to put in place tariffs?
(16:19):
This is a big picture analysis, or should with the
power of the purse, Congress have to make a decision
of this magnitude. And so you have all three powers
of separation of power elements here the Court trying to
tell Congress what they should have done and what the
president can't do and deligate those differences. It is somewhat complicated.
(16:44):
To go back we were talking about this off air
and say, oh, by the way, that four hundred billion
dollars that the president has already collected in tariffs roughly
maybe it's three hundred billion now certainly projected towards four
hundred it has to somehow be refunded. That's first of
all going to increase the deficit obviously, but also complicated
(17:05):
to figure out how to reassess and reallocate those dollars.
So this is actually an incredibly significant but also incredibly
complicated Supreme Court case that was taking place this morning.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
How do you think it shakes out, mister lawyer hat Clay.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
A part of me thinks that they will say that
the president doesn't have the authority to do it and
try to put a end of year timeline. This is
just totally making it up, right, because I think going
back and taking away the dollars that have already come
into the government and making the government give refunds is complicated.
The easy out, I would think would be trying to
(17:43):
figure out if there's a congressional bill that could be
passed to rubber stamp what Trump's already done.
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from the results from this election last twenty four hours
and we have this is gonna be very interesting, Randy.
Do we still have? Randy and Jupiter, Florida. He wants
to wait on the constitutionality of the tariffs, actually, which
I find interesting, Randy in the lovely Jupiter, Florida, which,
(19:17):
by the way, I hear great homes for sale New Yorkers. Yes,
I'm sure that's true. What's up, Randy.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I live on the intercoastal, so please go Inland and Jupiter.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
But yes, it's fair dice every day.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
What you got for us.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Wanted to get some help here on the tariff thing.
The other night club forty seven USA posted Eric Trump speaking,
and we were trying.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
To figure this out.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I thought that the Constitution gave the I don't know
in the Constitution. Wasn't terriffs part of our original revenue
source for the federal governments long before the income tax
men it ever came about. I thought tariffs was a
legitimate revenue source. And uh, we're need some help to understand.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Okay, So that's a great question, and I'm sure that
tariffs were incredibly impactful. I mean, look, the Boston Tea Party, uh,
in many ways was funded by tariffs, right, if I'm
remembering correctly, the the cost that they were demanding that
the colonies pay in order to import tea and other substances.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Well, the stamp, the stamp the Stamp Act from ap
AP American history, the intolerable acts. Uh, my understanding, and
I will be one hundred percent transparent. I do not
do tariff law and have never done tariff law is
a part of my legal practice.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Uh. I do know a little bit about maritime law,
by the way, which is maybe somewhat closely interlocked at times.
My understanding is that Trump has cited specifically a nineteen
seventies era law which was passed that gives the president
the authority to mandate tariffs in times of emergency. My
(21:11):
understanding of this dispute is Trump has cited, among other things,
I think two primary things. And guys, I don't have
the Wall Street Journal with me this morning, but I
was reading in their editorial breaking this down. If I
remember correctly, one of them is the drug crisis fentanyl
and the fact that it's been allowed to be brought
into this country, and he is saying that is a
(21:32):
crisis based on the number of people that are being killed.
And then I think there is an illegal immigration aspect
associated with this as well that he has used as
the and by the way, Congress gave the authority to
the President to enact that those actions. The question, so
far as I understand it to be, and if there
(21:54):
is a constitutional scholar out there eight hundred and two
A two two eighty two who can pronounce and discuss
this to a better degree, the question that is at
stake that the constitution that they debated this morning was
has Trump exceeded the authority of that nineteen seventies Eras
Statute in taking the power to mandate these emergency tariffs
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by basically taking away the power that otherwise would have
resided with Congress. So the argument against the tariffs is
that Congress has the power to levy the tariffs.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Now, now maybe you're.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Talking about back in the day in the Articles of Confederation, day,
in the colony days, and maybe even in the early
days of the country, but the authority to enact tariffs,
I believe is with Congress. And one reason they wanted
that was obviously separation of powers in general, but I
think rooted historically in the fact that tariffs had been
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such a significant issue for the colonies back in the day.
They didn't want one unitary executive necess early with the
store with the ability and all of you who took
government back in the day, remember the power of the
purse historically and constitutionally has resided with the Congress.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I think Professor Clay's history class would be a well attended,
well attended seminar. I really do.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I don't want to swear that every single element of
that is one hundred percent correct, but I think I
got most of it correct. But it's a smart question.
But Randy is asking a deep historical question. Again, this
is rooted in the authority of a nineteen seventy statute
that the Trump administration has cited as the authority for
the president to unilaterally imposed tariffs across a broad swath
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of the global trade in commerce. Indeed, we have more
coming in here on this one, a lot of folks
with a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
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election summary and one word hate A powerful emotion and
it has been manipulated against core Americans. This just goes
to show the Democrat Party has become the party of hate.
That was the platform in each race, and unfortunately the
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or socially indoctored at embrace hate. Not one Democrat candidate
had any solution for the people, just the platform to
tear down and stop Trump. We need to take note
and fully understand what is coming. History is repeating itself. Lewis,
I think that there are there's certainly a lot of
anger and rage and hate on the left. I think
that envy is one of the most unfortunately and one
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of the most powerful political mobilization tools that exist, especially
for people who are of the leftist, redistributive, collectivist Marxist mindset.
That you can always find people because the truth is
that the material conditions of the New Yorkers, even who
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are all pro Mamdani. First of all, McLay read was
so hilarious. True. There are a lot of heiresses in
Chappaqua who are like I have men Donnie, Yes, Mannie's
the best. You know, They're they're all all about it,
uh and they love pretending to be these radicals that
care so much about the poor. I mean, they're gonna
live in the highest income, most non diverse neighborhood they
(25:19):
possibly can personally, but they want everybody else to, you know,
have like community housing and no laws and no cops.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Let me step back in, Professor Clay here a minute
buck trade deficits was what one of and finnyl were
the two emergencies that Trump cited nineteen seventy nine law
that was passed. Amy Cony Barrett talked about the challenges
of returning these tariffs. She said, what what how would
(25:50):
the government refund billions of dollars in tariffs? And the
lawyer who is suing said representing small businesses, said the
court could make it's ruling perspective only, meaning no refunds
would be necessary.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
It would only start. That's kind of what I said.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It would start at a certain date, and I do
think that that is that is a huge part of
this as well. But again, the question is what is
an emergency?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
There are many different levels here and this is kind
of a fun legal question, but what is an emergency?
And how long would an emergency last? Within the context
of this law that the Trump administration has cited as
the legal authority. John in San Diego, this seems like
it could be a super nerd call, but I'm kind
(26:38):
of impressed by it. John, you say you remember, well,
tell us your take here.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Okay, it's real simple. If the original Constitution only provides
for imposts and X posts for taxes, and an impost
is a tax on imports, which is a terriff, an
next post is an excise tax on domestic goods.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So thank you for the call. Sorry to continue.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You're the Initially the government was designed to be small,
and we did not get the authority for the income
tax it started. If I'm remembering correct, because I bet John,
you're going to be a nerd here and know this.
If I remember correctly during the Civil War for Abraham
Lincoln to pay for the Civil War, Am I correct
in that?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
And then it was canceled and yeah, permanent one started
in nineteen thirteen with a sixteenth Amendment.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yes, okay, thank you for the call.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
A lot of people don't know that, Buck, there was
no income tax in the United States until the Civil War.
Abraham Lincoln has to pay for the Civil War. Once
the war's over, they do away with it, and then
in the early nineteen hundreds they said, hey, we're going
to go back to this and all of you are
going to pay us, you know, thirty plus percent of
everything you make.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
This reminds me very much of the discussion here in
Florida about eliminating property for homesteaded properties. And I keep
seeing the people say, but but where will the money
come from. There's plenty of money and the property taxes
that would you're talking about something like six percent of
the actual budget the state of Florida. But everyone gets
used to a tax and then thinks that that tax
(28:13):
is always going to be there. It's just a question
of what the number is. But this country operator just
fine without an income tax for a long time, and
you start to look at what's going on and where
the expenditures are going, and increasingly, my friends, we're paying
for a massive welfare state. Massive welfare state in this country.
We don't necessarily call off that, but that is what
(28:34):
is going on.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Oh well, not only that, the challenge is whenever you
try to restrain the welfare straight state, they're immediately the
talking point is you're trying to cut trying to cut benefits.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You can never and this is the truth.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Psychologically, you can never give somebody something and then try
to take it back without them willing to basically be
going go to war on you. I mean this is Look,
this is the story of social security. The reality is
social Security relies on there always being way more young
people than there are old people because it's basically one
(29:10):
big pyramid scheme. And guess what's gonna happen. We're soon
going to start having a lot more old people than
we are young people. So where does the money for
Social Security come from? And when you tell people that,
they say, well, no, no, no, no, no, this is like this
is my money. I've been giving you social Security money
for everyone. Okay, but at some point in time, if
(29:33):
the demographics reverse, then you can't take seventy percent at
least in theory, you can't take seventy percent of what
somebody earns to pay it back out later. And by
the way, the fact that the government just takes huge
amounts of money from us buck. If I die tomorrow,
and god forbid my wife dies tomorrow, and once my
(29:56):
kids are eighteen, I get no Social Security benefits, they
cease to exist. So really you're just rolling the dice
on how long are you going to live as to
whether you ever get any of the money that the
government takes for you from you on soid security and
at least you have a possibility of getting that money back.
All the other money they take and you're never getting
it back.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
It's an awful.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Against your point, we just get used to the idea
of getting screwed by the government to such an extent
that nobody ever.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Really takes a step back and says, do we have
to screw everybody like this by the government. To your point,
property taxes is ridiculous. You buy a home, you work
your whole life, and you have to give the government
a huge payment to be able to stay in the
home that you owe, that you own. I mean, it
really is unbelieve. You're renting your home from the government
(30:46):
and the government can take the government is your landlord.
If you don't pay your home fermies, they will take
your home. That you can never actually just own a
home that you can live in. You have to always
do this thing of continuing to be extras did from
you cannot just exist.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And older people who retire it becomes brutal on them
because It's one thing to pay property taxes when you
and I are working age. I mean, I don't like it,
but at least I'm working. But if I'm seventy and
I've lived in the same house for thirty years, those
numbers guess what, they ain't going down. They're gonna keep
going up. And it becomes more and more for many
(31:23):
of you out there listening to us right now that
are fortunate to own homes.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
You're nodding along, You're saying this is crazy, but yes,
we've just accepted that this should happen. And again, the
fact that we didn't even have an income tax that
was in existence until the early nineteen hundred. It stuns
a lot of people because they just presume that we've
always been doing this. Indeed, indeed, Professor Clay, yes, anyway,
(31:48):
I can nerd out on this stuff, and I just
like asking, why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Maybe I'm a little bit weird. Sometimes I take a
step back and I'm like, yes, this exists, but why.
And kids are really great at this. Any of you
out there, Buck, You're gonna get into this soon. You're
six month old is just going to ask the amount
of questions that kids can ask. They are just question
factories because they're experiencing everything anew and they actually see
the world through fresh eyes, and they ask lots of questions,
(32:16):
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you know what, that's a really good question. I never
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Why not? Oh, they're a joke. If a pandemic didn't
get these guys to leave, they'll never leave. They'll never leave.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
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I bet you a dozen wings they never leave. Can
I just say I love the Buffalo guy, not just
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Speaker 3 (35:22):
This is going to get people fired up. Allison in
La k eib dd. Allison had this to say.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Hey, this is Alison from LA. I want to second
that lady's notion about apologizing for women. I'm conservative, always
voted Republican twenty four to seven Rush listener, but I
have to say they never should have given women the
right to vote. It's just most of them are just
too emotional.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh fuck, I figure we could end in the show
with everybody losing their minds. That was what was their
name in LA.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Imagine what percentage of LA residents agree with Allison?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
You think you Alison showing up for the end of
the show and just throwing a Molotov cocktail right in
the middle of things, just to see what happens if
you think you live behind the enemy lines.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Alison lives in LA and she just sent us a
message saying women shouldn't have the right to vote. By
the way she was reacting to Bonnie, I bet a
grandma from Charleston, South Carolina who called in an hour
one and wanted to apologize to the nation for women
leading us all astray.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Let me hit you with this buck as I flagged
this
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Born seconds Born in New York City fifty percent Cuomo
thirty eight percent, Mom Donnie, less than five years here
eighty five percent, Mom Donnie, that's your election, buck,
Welcome back to a very special episode of Playing Buck.
We are playing the new mayor of New York City's
theme music Zorn Mamdani, the Kami, worthy of the Soviet anthem.
To be sure, that's the way it is, folks, I'm
wearing red today solidarity with the Kami. Our friend Ry
(00:23):
Gerdusky joins us. Now, Ryan, we are pouring out some
vodka shots over here for comrade Mom Donnie Mamdanni and
his victory. I guess no surprises. What are your biggest
takeaways from how all this went down in New York, Well,
in New York specifically.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
The one thing I really was surprised about was how
much the coalitions changed between the primary and the general.
So in the primary, Cuomo won Hispanic voters and Black
voters by large margins. And it was and there was
white voters and Asian voters that really turn on him.
In this election, Cuomo won white voters and Asian voters,
and he'll blacks and Hispanics. Had he performed as well
(01:02):
with blacks and Hispanics in the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens,
he would have won. So I was pretty surprising. I
actually thought he was going to keep the coalition of
this primary much much closer than he actually did. That
was my biggest takeaway. But she was just the mere
magnitude and size of how many people showed up. It
was just massive to vote both for and against him.
And then lastly, I guess how much Courtisy was in
(01:24):
the end, couldn't keep even a flagming of what Republicans
are in the city together.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So how much concern should we have going forward based
on these results? And let me give you my thesis
and you tell me if I'm a moron in your
mind or.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Not looking at ever?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, looking at the rough margins here, and I know
one is the general election the presidency, which drives out
higher turnout. But six hundred thousand fewer Trump voters voted
in New Jersey this year compared to last year, and
about the same number or fewer in Virginia, six hundred
thousand less. In fact, Trump twenty twenty four got more
(02:06):
votes than Spanberger did yesterday, and more votes substantially than
Cheryl did, both of which got them elected governors. Again,
I know, twenty five versus twenty four, But when I
look at this, Ryan, my concern is will Trump's base
that elected him in twenty twenty four. Will those people
show up in twenty six and then you can project
(02:27):
it beyond when Trump's not on the ballot in twenty eight.
How durable is this coalition?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, I mean at any coalition it does matter a lot,
but who runs it right? And you can look at
the Obama coalition see how long they lasts or aout Obama.
I think the big thing is is that if you
look at the way that this turn happened, right, Jack
Chitarelli was a good candidate, run a solid campaign, and
he built a model of how to win based upon
(02:55):
a twenty twenty one style election results. He got one
hundred and twenty two thousand more votes and he got
four years prior that would have won an election. He's
got more votes than den Murphy did, and he got
more votes I think the most Republicans I think ever did.
I think he won more votes than even Chris Christy
did when he got sixty percent. He built a platform
in a campaign that would that would win you a
(03:17):
normal style you know, off off your election. The thing
is we didn't have that normal style off off your election.
Four hundred thousand more people showed up is that there
vote f form. Mikey Sherrol, Mikey Cherrow got eight close
to eighty percent of the Kamala Harris old in Jersey
or eighty one percent in Kamala Harris rode in Jersey,
and Jack Jack Cirelli got seventy percent of the Trump coalition.
(03:40):
That's just not enough. Part of that is to voter enthusiasms,
voter enthusiasm. Part of it is the fact that the
economy it's not a wonderful shape for young people, right,
young people, Hispanic people, people who wanted to elect Trump.
Have him wave a magic wand have prices go back
to the way that we're in twenty nineteen. Have the economy
Electory at twenty eighteen are deeply frustrated now, you know?
(04:00):
Are they are? They? Should they be frustrated? Should they
be surprised if they can't go back in ten months? No,
they shouldn't. But that's not America, and America wants to
everything instantaneously. In Virginia, Winston's He's ran a bad campaign.
That's why she was down by fifteen points and worse
than every other Republican on the ballot, and that definitely
dragged Republicans down. Furthermore, you also the government shut down,
(04:21):
which deeply affects Virginia, and so you have all those
things mixtured. No one should lose their light, their hair
on fire over this. You know, it's terrible, it's awful.
But if you look at the overall election from Georgia
to racist in Connecticut, the races in Kansas, Republicans are
being trounced up and down the ballot. Democrats are very enthusiastic.
Democrats really want to show that Trump is that Trump
(04:44):
needs to be stopped, and Republicans are complacent. This is
what happens when you hold the White House, is that
the immediate aftermath, the party in power gets complacent. Until
we got Glenn Youngkin in twenty twenty one. You can
look at how we got Bob McDonald's in two thousand
and nine. This is just a very frequent thing that happens,
and no one should be like this shows, you know,
(05:05):
the whole Maga agenda is over. That does not show
this whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Ryan Gerdoski with us It's a numbers game. Is this
podcast on the Klayanbuck network, which you should all check
out on a plan Buck podcast network which I just said, Ryan,
if you're looking at this, and I'm either I agree
with you. I don't think that there's a roadmap to
all things political that you can draw from what just
happened here, But putting it aside for a second, based
(05:31):
on the data, the demographics, and what we are seeing
not just in these races, but just more broadly, what
does for the midterms specifically? Right, this is not about
a Trump reelection campaign per se, What does a winning
Republican strategy look like going into this midterm next year?
(05:52):
So that they can like, what are the issues, what's
the messaging? What do you take away from that?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, I mean prices are a big part of it,
definitely the economy. And I was on your show yesterday,
so the electric prices are a big deal. What I
think I think the missed opportunity for the Trump White
House and the Trump political shop was they really should
have been working to have their own campaign to really
see they could drive out local pensaity voters in these
off off your cycles and claim those wins. Even focus
(06:20):
on New Jersey and Virginia. They could have done the
races in Pennsylvania or races somewhere else in the country,
but they chose not to. What I think that I
think going forward into this into this next year is
some kind of levity on youth unemployment, which is very high,
especially among recent college graduates. It's very very high. You
(06:40):
know a lot of colleges who cannot find jobs. That's
a big deal to work somewhere out on just on
trying to reduce the ramifications of inflation that happened over
the last five years. I know that's very hard to do.
I know that food prices are remarkably high and are
staying that way. I guess do whatever you can in
that in that, in that in that in the eighteen
(07:04):
months or a year to figure out how you can
reduce those prices to that working class people feel a
little less of a pinch. And you have Trump beust
to get it back on the road again. It has
to sit they're in start campaigning again to get his
base to show up in big numbers because Democrats, as
I said, Estory, are showing up like it's the presidential elections.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Ryan, is there a line that Democrats just won't cross?
Because when I see J. Jones win by six and
a half points, widely covered the amount of media that's
covered the Jay Jones. Now, maybe he doesn't get criticized
the same way that a Republican would, but for him
(07:43):
to win by six and a half points was really
the only result I saw last night where I thought
to myself, my goodness, this is this is not a
sign of sanity.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean, look, they voted, they've they hate Trump
means more to them than any level of decency, and
that is a guiding light for them. I mean, and
you saw for particularly women, college educated women, hating Trump
is everything to them, right. And I know it's very
uncomfortable for some people to realize, having Cynthia Nixon's of
(08:17):
the world, there are living in this country, but there
are a lot, and they are unlike you know, a
good political friend of mine told me this, Unlike conservatives
who have Church, QBC and the Republican Party, Democrats only
have The Liberals only have the Democratic Party to fuel
all their frustrations and all their anger in. And I
(08:38):
think that and all their money into and I think
that that is where we're spending a lot of Oh,
they're spending all the time and energy. And I don't
think that J Jones could have J Jones could have
kicked the dog while saying some exploitive about people, saying
that I hope you know all people do this or that,
and he still would have won because in part because
when Smithsthears's numbers were so high highly ken and I
(09:00):
said this on the podcast on Numbers Team, if she
wins by double digits, there's no way which is just
loses by double jigits, there's diener way to carry to
stop j Jones from winning the election.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Ryan, how big a deal is Proposition fifties passage out
in californiaf we've mentioned this, We hadn't really because it's
a proposition, right, and it's about redistricting, but it really
does matter. How much does it matter for the mid terms?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, a lot. I mean, you're looking at probably four
to five seat game for Democrats over there. That really
wipes out what Republicans are doing in Texas, and Democrats
are going to step up in Virginia as well and
probably draw out two or three Republicans out of Virginia.
And in the end, from the redistricting thing, I mean,
you may be in a position where, even without New
(09:49):
York or New Jersey changing the map, you may be
in a position where Democrats and Republicans are basically running
even as they were beforehand.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Okay, so mid the terms are one year from today.
Last year, one year anniversary of Trump's big win. We asked,
you know, how much disposition should there be on expectations
going forward? If you were asked right now, hey, President Trump,
what President Trump said, what should we focus on Ryan
(10:19):
based on the numbers that you have seen to ensure
that Republicans, say, in control of the House and the Senate,
that would be what I would immediately.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I mean, if we're especially we're looking at the Senate
seats right now and then in critical spring seats, I
would look at any suite at any district where Trump
received under five won by less than five points. Right,
Because even in Virginia, even in the state House, Republicans
stopped the bleeding at about three points. Right, That's all
they got the districts that voted for Trump by three
points and the last or maybe four points the less
(10:50):
they they flipped Democrat, but all the rest of them
stayed Republican. Right, So there wasn't this bleeding where like
Trump plus ten districts loss. So that's important thing to
remember a cavea to remember One. I would sit there
and start really trying to mobilize your your old base
again by trying to make sure that they're engagingly know
when the election is and that takes a year of
political work and it takes you know, hundreds of millions off,
(11:13):
not a billion dollars. Secondly, I would sit there and
really start trying to focus on easy, deliverable, positive pr
wins that are you know, that are that are there
that they could easily do, and what I would what
I would try, I mean, this is not anything that
they can't do. Try to get ballid measurements on the
ballot in these critical states ahead of the twenty twenty
(11:35):
six midterms where you could do like English as the
official language ballat mid term to drive up Republican conservative
independent turning a turnout, because that was a big part
of New Jersey where I was looking at the results
yesterday in Jersey and we're on the phone. When I
was on the phone with you guys, was that the
independent turnout was way down in place like Morris County,
and I was like, these are conservatives that are not
(11:55):
reistered Republican. This is not a good sign So give
the drive, give an give another initiative, another reason to
show up. Try to get ballid measurements on these critical
Spring states and all these states with the critical spring
seats ahead of the twenty twenty six men terms.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Ryan or Duski, everybody appreciate you, my friend, and hopefully
the next time we have you on to talk election
results will be a little more to celebrate, a little
more for the GOP to get excited about.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 1 (13:43):
Oh, welcome back in here to Clay in Buck. Oh,
my friends, a lot of you on a weigh in
on a lot of things. But one thing that we
mentioned that this unfortunately could be a bit of a problem.
Supreme Court looking at Trump's tariffs, which remember a little
bit of review here, we were told they would be
(14:06):
so bad for the economy. Meanwhile they've been it seems,
hundreds of billions of dollars in the American coffer and
the economy's doing just great, at least when it comes
to trade, the stock market, investment, things like that. Yes,
prices are high, but and some people said, well, prices
are going to rise a lot because of terriffs. We
(14:28):
actually haven't seen that. If they've risen, they've risen a
little bit. But that's something that's certainly on everyone's mind,
because if the Supreme Court were to say Trump's tariffs
are unconstitutional, we have a problem. This is cut thirty
three Trump just in Miami, my city. Here, here's what
(14:48):
he's saying. Play it.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
One hundred of the jobs have come from the private sector.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Otherwise you don't have a country.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I mean, I love government workers, but if you have
all government workers, you don't have a country, do you.
At the same time, my tariffs are bringing in hundreds
of billions of dollars in a helping slash the deficit
this year by more than fifty percent. Did you see
those numbers? We're going to be down fifty percent anywhere
from twenty five to fifty, but closer to fifty percent.
(15:14):
To them who would think that one those are big numbers.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Clay whateveryone thinks of the tariffs if they were to
get undermined by the Supreme or effectively done away with
by the Supreme Court. That's gonna get messy. What do
you even do?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
It's it's not dissimilar in my mind back to how
you in birthright citizenship. Sometimes the law has just been
applied for so long and so significantly you would have
to give refunds. It would turn into a real mess.
So a part of me wonders if they could say, hey,
we don't think this is constitutional. But it's also also
(15:56):
incredibly difficult for the court to argue to order a
remediation in some way in this perspective, So they could
try to instruct Congress to see if Congress would vote
to give the president the authority right, because this is
really a separation of powers argument. It's does the president
have the power under emergency declarations to put in place tariffs?
(16:19):
This is a big picture analysis, or should with the
power of the purse, Congress have to make a decision
of this magnitude. And so you have all three powers
of separation of power elements here the Court trying to
tell Congress what they should have done and what the
president can't do and deligate those differences. It is somewhat complicated.
(16:44):
To go back we were talking about this off air
and say, oh, by the way, that four hundred billion
dollars that the president has already collected in tariffs roughly
maybe it's three hundred billion now certainly projected towards four
hundred it has to somehow be refunded. That's first of
all going to increase the deficit obviously, but also complicated
(17:05):
to figure out how to reassess and reallocate those dollars.
So this is actually an incredibly significant but also incredibly
complicated Supreme Court case that was taking place this morning.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
How do you think it shakes out, mister lawyer hat Clay.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
A part of me thinks that they will say that
the president doesn't have the authority to do it and
try to put a end of year timeline. This is
just totally making it up, right, because I think going
back and taking away the dollars that have already come
into the government and making the government give refunds is complicated.
The easy out, I would think would be trying to
(17:43):
figure out if there's a congressional bill that could be
passed to rubber stamp what Trump's already done.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
One of the smarter investment moves I've made over the
years is the purchase of gold, not just because I
saw a way of as a way of balancing the
value of a declining dollar, but because I thought it
would increase in value. And this year alone, the price
of gold is up by more than fifty percent. With
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back into Clay and Buck, Oh my, so much coming
in here on the stockbacks and on the just everything
from the results from this election last twenty four hours
and we have this is gonna be very interesting, Randy.
Do we still have? Randy and Jupiter, Florida. He wants
to wait on the constitutionality of the tariffs, actually, which
I find interesting, Randy in the lovely Jupiter, Florida, which,
(19:17):
by the way, I hear great homes for sale New Yorkers. Yes,
I'm sure that's true. What's up, Randy.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I live on the intercoastal, so please go Inland and Jupiter.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
But yes, it's fair dice every day.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
What you got for us.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Wanted to get some help here on the tariff thing.
The other night club forty seven USA posted Eric Trump speaking,
and we were trying.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
To figure this out.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I thought that the Constitution gave the I don't know
in the Constitution. Wasn't terriffs part of our original revenue
source for the federal governments long before the income tax
men it ever came about. I thought tariffs was a
legitimate revenue source. And uh, we're need some help to understand.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Okay, So that's a great question, and I'm sure that
tariffs were incredibly impactful. I mean, look, the Boston Tea Party, uh,
in many ways was funded by tariffs, right, if I'm
remembering correctly, the the cost that they were demanding that
the colonies pay in order to import tea and other substances.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Well, the stamp, the stamp the Stamp Act from ap
AP American history, the intolerable acts. Uh, my understanding, and
I will be one hundred percent transparent. I do not
do tariff law and have never done tariff law is
a part of my legal practice.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Uh. I do know a little bit about maritime law,
by the way, which is maybe somewhat closely interlocked at times.
My understanding is that Trump has cited specifically a nineteen
seventies era law which was passed that gives the president
the authority to mandate tariffs in times of emergency. My
(21:11):
understanding of this dispute is Trump has cited, among other things,
I think two primary things. And guys, I don't have
the Wall Street Journal with me this morning, but I
was reading in their editorial breaking this down. If I
remember correctly, one of them is the drug crisis fentanyl
and the fact that it's been allowed to be brought
into this country, and he is saying that is a
(21:32):
crisis based on the number of people that are being killed.
And then I think there is an illegal immigration aspect
associated with this as well that he has used as
the and by the way, Congress gave the authority to
the President to enact that those actions. The question, so
far as I understand it to be, and if there
(21:54):
is a constitutional scholar out there eight hundred and two
A two two eighty two who can pronounce and discuss
this to a better degree, the question that is at
stake that the constitution that they debated this morning was
has Trump exceeded the authority of that nineteen seventies Eras
Statute in taking the power to mandate these emergency tariffs
(22:17):
by basically taking away the power that otherwise would have
resided with Congress. So the argument against the tariffs is
that Congress has the power to levy the tariffs.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Now, now maybe you're.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Talking about back in the day in the Articles of Confederation, day,
in the colony days, and maybe even in the early
days of the country, but the authority to enact tariffs,
I believe is with Congress. And one reason they wanted
that was obviously separation of powers in general, but I
think rooted historically in the fact that tariffs had been
(22:52):
such a significant issue for the colonies back in the day.
They didn't want one unitary executive necess early with the
store with the ability and all of you who took
government back in the day, remember the power of the
purse historically and constitutionally has resided with the Congress.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I think Professor Clay's history class would be a well attended,
well attended seminar. I really do.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I don't want to swear that every single element of
that is one hundred percent correct, but I think I
got most of it correct. But it's a smart question.
But Randy is asking a deep historical question. Again, this
is rooted in the authority of a nineteen seventy statute
that the Trump administration has cited as the authority for
the president to unilaterally imposed tariffs across a broad swath
(23:41):
of the global trade in commerce. Indeed, we have more
coming in here on this one, a lot of folks
with a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Where we hear a second ago VIP email from Lewis
election summary and one word hate A powerful emotion and
it has been manipulated against core Americans. This just goes
to show the Democrat Party has become the party of hate.
That was the platform in each race, and unfortunately the
Democrat Party is taught to hate from an early age
(24:13):
or socially indoctored at embrace hate. Not one Democrat candidate
had any solution for the people, just the platform to
tear down and stop Trump. We need to take note
and fully understand what is coming. History is repeating itself. Lewis,
I think that there are there's certainly a lot of
anger and rage and hate on the left. I think
that envy is one of the most unfortunately and one
(24:35):
of the most powerful political mobilization tools that exist, especially
for people who are of the leftist, redistributive, collectivist Marxist mindset.
That you can always find people because the truth is
that the material conditions of the New Yorkers, even who
(24:56):
are all pro Mamdani. First of all, McLay read was
so hilarious. True. There are a lot of heiresses in
Chappaqua who are like I have men Donnie, Yes, Mannie's
the best. You know, They're they're all all about it,
uh and they love pretending to be these radicals that
care so much about the poor. I mean, they're gonna
live in the highest income, most non diverse neighborhood they
(25:19):
possibly can personally, but they want everybody else to, you know,
have like community housing and no laws and no cops.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Let me step back in, Professor Clay here a minute
buck trade deficits was what one of and finnyl were
the two emergencies that Trump cited nineteen seventy nine law
that was passed. Amy Cony Barrett talked about the challenges
of returning these tariffs. She said, what what how would
(25:50):
the government refund billions of dollars in tariffs? And the
lawyer who is suing said representing small businesses, said the
court could make it's ruling perspective only, meaning no refunds
would be necessary.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
It would only start. That's kind of what I said.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It would start at a certain date, and I do
think that that is that is a huge part of
this as well. But again, the question is what is
an emergency?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
There are many different levels here and this is kind
of a fun legal question, but what is an emergency?
And how long would an emergency last? Within the context
of this law that the Trump administration has cited as
the legal authority. John in San Diego, this seems like
it could be a super nerd call, but I'm kind
(26:38):
of impressed by it. John, you say you remember, well,
tell us your take here.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Okay, it's real simple. If the original Constitution only provides
for imposts and X posts for taxes, and an impost
is a tax on imports, which is a terriff, an
next post is an excise tax on domestic goods.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So thank you for the call. Sorry to continue.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You're the Initially the government was designed to be small,
and we did not get the authority for the income
tax it started. If I'm remembering correct, because I bet John,
you're going to be a nerd here and know this.
If I remember correctly during the Civil War for Abraham
Lincoln to pay for the Civil War, Am I correct
in that?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
And then it was canceled and yeah, permanent one started
in nineteen thirteen with a sixteenth Amendment.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yes, okay, thank you for the call.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
A lot of people don't know that, Buck, there was
no income tax in the United States until the Civil War.
Abraham Lincoln has to pay for the Civil War. Once
the war's over, they do away with it, and then
in the early nineteen hundreds they said, hey, we're going
to go back to this and all of you are
going to pay us, you know, thirty plus percent of
everything you make.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
This reminds me very much of the discussion here in
Florida about eliminating property for homesteaded properties. And I keep
seeing the people say, but but where will the money
come from. There's plenty of money and the property taxes
that would you're talking about something like six percent of
the actual budget the state of Florida. But everyone gets
used to a tax and then thinks that that tax
(28:13):
is always going to be there. It's just a question
of what the number is. But this country operator just
fine without an income tax for a long time, and
you start to look at what's going on and where
the expenditures are going, and increasingly, my friends, we're paying
for a massive welfare state. Massive welfare state in this country.
We don't necessarily call off that, but that is what
(28:34):
is going on.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Oh well, not only that, the challenge is whenever you
try to restrain the welfare straight state, they're immediately the
talking point is you're trying to cut trying to cut benefits.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You can never and this is the truth.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Psychologically, you can never give somebody something and then try
to take it back without them willing to basically be
going go to war on you. I mean this is Look,
this is the story of social security. The reality is
social Security relies on there always being way more young
people than there are old people because it's basically one
(29:10):
big pyramid scheme. And guess what's gonna happen. We're soon
going to start having a lot more old people than
we are young people. So where does the money for
Social Security come from? And when you tell people that,
they say, well, no, no, no, no, no, this is like this
is my money. I've been giving you social Security money
for everyone. Okay, but at some point in time, if
(29:33):
the demographics reverse, then you can't take seventy percent at
least in theory, you can't take seventy percent of what
somebody earns to pay it back out later. And by
the way, the fact that the government just takes huge
amounts of money from us buck. If I die tomorrow,
and god forbid my wife dies tomorrow, and once my
(29:56):
kids are eighteen, I get no Social Security benefits, they
cease to exist. So really you're just rolling the dice
on how long are you going to live as to
whether you ever get any of the money that the
government takes for you from you on soid security and
at least you have a possibility of getting that money back.
All the other money they take and you're never getting
it back.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
It's an awful.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Against your point, we just get used to the idea
of getting screwed by the government to such an extent
that nobody ever.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Really takes a step back and says, do we have
to screw everybody like this by the government. To your point,
property taxes is ridiculous. You buy a home, you work
your whole life, and you have to give the government
a huge payment to be able to stay in the
home that you owe, that you own. I mean, it
really is unbelieve. You're renting your home from the government
(30:46):
and the government can take the government is your landlord.
If you don't pay your home fermies, they will take
your home. That you can never actually just own a
home that you can live in. You have to always
do this thing of continuing to be extras did from
you cannot just exist.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And older people who retire it becomes brutal on them
because It's one thing to pay property taxes when you
and I are working age. I mean, I don't like it,
but at least I'm working. But if I'm seventy and
I've lived in the same house for thirty years, those
numbers guess what, they ain't going down. They're gonna keep
going up. And it becomes more and more for many
(31:23):
of you out there listening to us right now that
are fortunate to own homes.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
You're nodding along, You're saying this is crazy, but yes,
we've just accepted that this should happen. And again, the
fact that we didn't even have an income tax that
was in existence until the early nineteen hundred. It stuns
a lot of people because they just presume that we've
always been doing this. Indeed, indeed, Professor Clay, yes, anyway,
(31:48):
I can nerd out on this stuff, and I just
like asking, why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Maybe I'm a little bit weird. Sometimes I take a
step back and I'm like, yes, this exists, but why.
And kids are really great at this. Any of you
out there, Buck, You're gonna get into this soon. You're
six month old is just going to ask the amount
of questions that kids can ask. They are just question
factories because they're experiencing everything anew and they actually see
the world through fresh eyes, and they ask lots of questions,
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and a lot of times you'll sit back and you'll say,
you know what, that's a really good question. I never
thought about it because you're old and you got used
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Okay, let's hit some of these calls. Shane and Buffalo.
You don't want to hear about New Yorkers leaving?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Why not? Oh, they're a joke. If a pandemic didn't
get these guys to leave, they'll never leave. They'll never leave.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
They're gonna stay there. They're gonna root for the Jets
and be miserable for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I bet you a dozen wings they never leave. Can
I just say I love the Buffalo guy, not just
throwing New York City, but Jets fans under the bus
all at once. Clay, It's very It's it's a nice
move for Bills fan. I gotta say, oh, man, you
want to get people fight. That is a very good
line from the Bills. By the way, Josh Allen big
win over the Kansas City Chiefs. Over the weekend, thirty
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Speaker 3 (35:22):
This is going to get people fired up. Allison in
La k eib dd. Allison had this to say.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Hey, this is Alison from LA. I want to second
that lady's notion about apologizing for women. I'm conservative, always
voted Republican twenty four to seven Rush listener, but I
have to say they never should have given women the
right to vote. It's just most of them are just
too emotional.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh fuck, I figure we could end in the show
with everybody losing their minds. That was what was their
name in LA.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Imagine what percentage of LA residents agree with Allison?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
You think you Alison showing up for the end of
the show and just throwing a Molotov cocktail right in
the middle of things, just to see what happens if
you think you live behind the enemy lines.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Alison lives in LA and she just sent us a
message saying women shouldn't have the right to vote. By
the way she was reacting to Bonnie, I bet a
grandma from Charleston, South Carolina who called in an hour
one and wanted to apologize to the nation for women
leading us all astray.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Let me hit you with this buck as I flagged
this
Speaker 3 (36:35):
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