November 12, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a high-impact mix of national security insights, tech accountability, and cultural commentary, making it a must-listen for politically engaged audiences. The hour opens with a breakdown of Donald Trump’s recent interview with Laura Ingraham, focusing on the controversial H-1B visa program. Trump’s nuanced stance—balancing the need for specialized talent with protecting American workers—sparks debate over immigration, workforce development, and national priorities.
A major segment features conservative activist Robby Starbuck, who shares a disturbing account of AI defamation. Starbuck reveals that Google’s AI platforms, Bard and Gemini, falsely accused him of heinous crimes, fabricating court records, media articles, and even statements from public figures like JD Vance and President Trump. The discussion highlights the dangers of AI misinformation, the lack of accountability from tech giants, and the broader implications for political candidates and everyday Americans. Starbuck’s lawsuit against Google is positioned as a landmark case in the fight for AI transparency and fairness.
The show then pivots to foreign policy with guest Steven Yates, senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, who recently returned from a diplomatic tour across Asia with Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. Yates offers firsthand insights into U.S. engagement in the Indo-Pacific, emphasizing the Trump administration’s proactive stance against Chinese aggression. He praises Japan’s new leadership, discusses Taiwan’s strategic importance, and warns of the economic and geopolitical fallout if China were to invade. Yates also reacts to breaking news: China’s agreement to halt fentanyl precursor exports following direct negotiations led by FBI Director Kash Patel. He calls for even stronger measures, including labeling fentanyl precursors as weapons of mass destruction.
The hour wraps with lighter moments, including a humorous exchange about Clay’s unpaid sports bets to Sean Hannity and a nostalgic discussion on coinage, silver content in pre-1960 coins, and the cultural impact of phasing out the penny. The hosts tease upcoming topics for future episodes, including the affordability of homeownership, the ethics of restaurant reservation apps like OpenTable, and a deeper dive into the H-1B visa debate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now, thanks
for being here, everybody, appreciate all of you. So, our
friend Laura angram Over at Fox News had a sit
down with President Trump and they got into a whole
range of issues, very good interviews, and there's a couple
of moments, a couple of takeaways from it that I
(00:25):
think it's important for us to have a little discussion about.
One of them is is this it gets to H
one B visas and the government, the administration approach to
the H one B visas, which.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
This was a discussion that led right around a year ago.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Actually, there was a pretty intense online exchange about this
involving Elon Musk, who went.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Completely scored short in favor of H one b's.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Until people provided him with the data, the information to
show that the H one B visa program is actually
really abused and it can be very exploitative, and it's
unfair to the American people. It needs dramatic reform. And
Vivek Ramaswami also weighed in on this one, and it
(01:19):
was a moment where Maga was saying, hold on a second,
I don't think that we have to celebrate other cultures
over American culture. When it comes to excellence, I think
America is the culture of global excellence. It was not
a good moment for mister vivek Uh and there was
a lot of back and forth and it was all
over this H one B situation. Now Lord Ingram pressed
(01:42):
Trump on this, and here's how the exchange went play
cut one.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Does that mean the H one B visa saying will
not be a big priority for your administration because if
you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't
flood the country with tens of thousands or US eyes.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I agree, but we also do have to bring in
talent when we country are talented.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I know you don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You don't We don't have talent that now you don't have.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
You don't have certain talents, and you have to people
have to learn. You can't take people off an unimployment
like an unemployment line and say I'm going to put
you into a factory, we're going to make missiles or
I'm going to puty.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Do we ever do it before?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, you and I I'll give you an example. In Georgia,
they raided because they wanted illegal immigrants. They had people
from from South Korea that need batteries all their lives.
You know, making batteries are very complicated.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's not an.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Easy thing and very dangerous. A lot of explosions, a
lot of problems. They had like five or six hundred
people early stages to make batteries and to teach people
how to do it. Well, they wanted them to get
out of the country. You're going to need that, laure
I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.
You can't just say a country's coming in, going to
invest ten billion dollars to build a plant and going
(02:56):
to take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked
in five years, and they're going to start making missiles.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It doesn't okay, Well.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
This is a very important discussion, but Clay, We're sorry, guys.
We we got to put a pin in it because
we were gonna have Robbie Starbick on. We had a
little tech issue. But we can get him on now.
The phone line situation got squared away, so Robbie Starbuck
joins us.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
He's a conservative activist and many of you are familiar
with his work.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Robbie, thanks for being here.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Tell us your story, man, because you wanted to come on,
and I think people need to know about what's been
going on.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Yeah, thanks for happing me on. Yeah, it's been wild
what has happened. Essentially two years ago, I found out
the Google's AI, which then was called Bard, was saying
all kinds of crazy stuff about me that just wasn't true,
from saying that I was a supporter of the KKK
to even making arguments for the death penalty because I
guess some of my takes offend people on the left.
(03:53):
But then it got much worse when they introduced Gemini
and Gemma. Gemini and Gemma went so far as to
make accusations that I was accused of sexual assault, of
raping people, including people who are PG as possible for
the audience in case there's kids in the car. But
you know, it can't be stressed enough how hard we
(04:15):
tried to get Google to stop this. I notified them
starting two years ago that this was going on, and
my lawyers at Dylan Law Firm have been repeatedly letting
them know and sending season desist letters throughout this year,
and Google just continued to allow this stuff to go on.
The lies got so intense, so elaborate that you almost
can't believe it. And it came from prompts as simple
as tell me about Robbie Starbuck or somebody looking me up, right,
(04:37):
So this wasn't somebody saying, hey, invent a story. It
was as simple as tell me about this guy, right.
And it got so detailed that invented fake court records,
fake police records, fake victims, fake therapy records. And it
would get so detailed that if you said, hey, what
are your sources for this, it would invent fake court
records and also fake media articles. Okay, so it would
(04:58):
say foxnews dot com slash Rob Starbucks, sexual assault allegations.
There's something along those lines. And it did that with
all of the major media outlets essentially and some of
the biggest figures in media. It even invented fake statements
from JD. Vans and President Trump about the situation. So
this is obviously incredibly dangerous and you have to wonder
why this is happening, right, because something is feeding this
information to the AI and that we intend to find
(05:21):
out in discovery. But if you think about like the
long side of this, right, like look ten years down
the line, control of our country is decided by a
very small number of swing seats, and it's very easy
to envision a future where this type of you know,
malicious AI is deployed against every right wing candidate in
those swing seats, and you're able to shift five to
(05:41):
six percent of the vote based on telling wise about
the candidates to voters who reach out saying, hey, tell
me there's a difference between these two candidates.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
This is a hugely important story, and I appreciate you
coming on. We're talking to Robbie Starbuck. You just heard
him lay out what happened with Google AI. There's a
lawsuit pending. But if they could do this to you,
and this is where I think this becomes so important
and you just hit on it.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean they could do it to Yes.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Republican Senate candidates, Republican presidential candidates, Republican congressional candidates. But
I think a lot of people out there also know
that arguably at least those guys can punch back. Yeah,
why couldn't they do this to anyone in America where Google?
What happens when your name is googled is probably the
(06:30):
number one most important thing on the Internet. I would
say for most people in most professions. This seems hugely important,
not just for what happened to you, but for the
message that it's sending. It could happen to anyone. What
are you trying to do to remedy.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
It, Quay, I was hoping you'd bring that up, because
You're exactly right. The biggest problem is not that even
this is happening to me. Obviously, I'm concerned to damage
my reputation and all those things, but I'm thinking about
my kids, like this can happen to your son, your daughter,
your wife, your husband, and it could eliminate your ability
to get jobs. I mean, I want people to think
about this. How far AI is reaching into our lives.
(07:05):
It's already being used in reputation scoring for insurance, which,
by the way, crazy story. I was actually denied insurance
by I think it was five insurers this last year.
I've never been denied my life. I'm an autopay person,
never been in a car accident, Like, there is no
reason I should be denied for insurance. It took until
the sixth then sure, for us to even get an
offer from a major insurance company. Every other one said risky,
(07:26):
wouldn't tell us why, and we're going to have to
figure out through discovery if it was because it was
pooling that information from AI. But you can get debanked,
you can, you know, have what a job interviewers often do,
they google the people who are applying for jobs, right,
And so you get googled on Gemini and they tell
this potential job that you're actually excused of some heinous crime,
(07:48):
you know, and this could be as simple as getting
back at you for your politics that Google doesn't share, right.
So it's very easy to see where this can get
very dangerous, very fast. And so I think, you know,
part of the remedy here isn't just making me whole
and fixing the situation. It's fixing the problem for good
and setting a standard and setting precedent that AI cannot
harm humans. That needs to be the first principle of AI,
(08:08):
because if you allow it on this level where it's defamatory, right,
you're baking that in at the root level of a
tree that is either going to bear fruit that helps
humanity grow into abundance or you're going to grow poison fruit,
and it's going to be to the detriment of humanity.
What you bake in that root is very important. So
we're teaching AI now what is going to later be
(08:30):
very important. It's deployment across all platforms and law enforcement, medicine,
everything else. And so that's why I feel like this
is a critically important fight. I'm thinking ten years out,
fifteen years out, how deeply this is going to affect
all of us and our kids.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
What was it like when you were trying to get
answers in the early stage and then throughout from a
company like Google that is so vastly powerful, influential, connected
and resourced. Yet I can only imagine Robbie, like, if
this happened to me, I wouldn't even know who do
you call for email? Who can you get to actually
(09:06):
sit down or speak to you as a human to
try to address this. Feels like you were probably in
a very uh Kaska ask like where do I go
for justice? Situation?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, it was very confusing, honestly, even with me, where
I'm able to get in front of the media, I'm
able to you know, pay lawyers to be able to
do this stuff. But back then, initially I raised the
red flag about this publicly just adding the and direct
messaging people at Google like hey, can you get this fixed?
And eventually a Google employee reached out to me, and
(09:36):
this lady seemed like she wanted to help. So I
laid out the whole story and send screenshots from the
people who had sent them to me and that we
were able to recreate these. She says, okay, I want
to help, and I checked in over time, and it
was about three months later she lets me know, I'm
so sorry I wasn't able to fix this. And this
is in a lawsuit. We put this like, we put
all the receipts. Okay, she said, I'm so sorry I
(09:58):
wasn't able to help. I am resigned today and she resigned.
And then things got much worse with Gemma and Gemini.
And here's the other thing that's really scary, right, is
that you'd think a company like this could fix all this, right, Well,
it took until last week to finally get them to
fix some of this stuff in the actual app and
the Google dot com website. But here's what's crazy. They're
(10:21):
over one hundred and fifty million wild downloads of Gema.
Gemma is also used by developers beyond just being a
chatbot to help develop apps that power the future, right,
and then Gemini, same thing. Gemini has a bunch of
uncountable digital downloads. We don't even know what that number is.
And many of these they can never be connected to
the Internet, or won't be connected to the Internet, and
cannot be fixed remotely by Google. So these things, which
(10:44):
will be used in many different contexts over god knows
how long, can never be changed. And that's pretty wild,
and I think that's something that also has to change
in this process.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
You're in the process of going through discovery and finding
all this stuff out, but you mentioned how do you
even get a person to be able to address We
found out when we sold OutKick to Fox. Fox went
through the deep dive and they said, hey, you're not
indexed on Google. And I knew that was true because
we would break news on OutKick and then we would
(11:17):
never show up at the top of Google search results.
And we had gone through this four or five different
times with them, and they had said, everything's fine. Somebody
had just taken us out of the Google search results.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Robbie.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
That had to be an individual, right, Somebody just decided
they don't like me. They're one of thousands and thousands,
tens of thousands of Google employees. They hide your site
over in the refuse so that you can't be found.
Do you feel like, and again I know the discovery
is underway, do you feel like ultimately this is malice
(11:49):
driven by an individual or individuals inside of the company
to have set up or and I know I'm asking
you to speculate a little bit, do you think this
is just Ai run a muck and for some reason
you happen to get dragged through the cycle like this.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
So there's two different things here. One is, you know,
does it meet the legal standard of malice? No matter what, Absolutely,
it doesn't matter what the intent was. The fact was
they were notified so many times over the course of
two years to fix this, and they didn't fix it.
And they continually repeatedly told the same lies, inventing the
same situations with similar victims and evidence and all these
fake news articles and everything. That's gross negligence that equals malice.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
But then there's my personal view, right, My personal view
is one where I can't I can't get myself to
a place where I think this is just Ai run
a muck. Right, Because Google's response publicly has been to
essentially excuse this as hallucinations, is what they say. Well,
you deep dive into hallucinations, and I've talked to AI experts.
They're typically kind of disjointed and kind of like weird, right,
(12:55):
They're pulling things from different places and kind of mixing
them all together. There's too many similar threads and too
many commonalities in what it continually repeated about me for
it to fit a hallucination pattern, by my estimation from
talking to these experts, and I think lawyers agree with this,
and so when you look at it from that context,
it's very hard for me to get anywhere except for
(13:17):
thinking this was deliberately poisoned. So that's how I view it, right,
is it seems deliberate when you get as detailed as
these things did, and you repeatedly refuse to own up
to the fact that it's a lie. And this is
what's crazy, Like you can literally answer back to the SAI.
And we had people saying things like, hey, these news
stories are totally false, nothing like this ever happened, and
(13:38):
it would double and triple down that it did happen,
and it went so far on one occasion to actually
create a fake article in a real journalist's name when
somebody pressed the AI and saying the link didn't work
to the story it was sending them, So it literally
invented a fake news story. I want people to think
about this. Right, we're at this precipice where we have
all these image generators and voice generators and video generators,
(14:00):
but they're not all quite interconnected to the chatbots as
well as they will be a year or two from now,
maybe even less. Had this continued to happen for another
year or two, it would have literally been inventing fake
videos and audio of me doing these crimes. I want
people to think about that, because if you've seen the
AI outputs that we're seeing in video and audio, there's
(14:21):
currently a top charting music artist, I think it's called
Breaking Russ that is AI right like, and you can't
distinguish it from a human being. It sounds like a
real human musician. That is so incredibly dangerous. And again,
I imagine our sons and our daughters facing accusations with
fake AI videos and audio. Hey, it's very clear when
you think about that that we need guardrails, no.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Doubt, Robbie. This is fantastic. If people want to know
more about this story. Where would you tell them?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
To? Go?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Follow me on social media YouTube x at Robbie Starbuck
Robbi Starbuck, or go to Robbistarbuck dot com if you
want to read the actual lawsuit. We've put it up
there in case anybody wants to read thing. Even lawyers
who don't like me, people who hate me, have said,
like dang, they have absolutely an incredible case. So I
think it's a seminal case in the fight for fairness
and getting rid of bias, and.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
AI appreciate the time. It is an important story. Keep
us updated. We want to continue to share this story
as we move along.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Thank you, gentlemen for shining a light on it.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
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Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton show. That Robby
Starbuck discussion. I think put a pin in that because
(16:53):
it should be alarming to anyone out there that is
in any way intrigued by the direction that that is headed,
by the way President Trump has weighed in the Democrats
on the Epstein thing, saying basically the exact same thing
we told you. Democrats are trying to bring up the
Jeffrey Epstein hoax because they'll do anything to deflect on
(17:15):
how badly they've done on the shutdown. Only a very
bad or stupid Republican would fall into that trap. Will
hit that a bit more and we come back. But
this is exactly what we said, Buck.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I gotta just say, you don't got a couple of bad,
stupid Republicans here on this show. That's all I can
tell you. We saw this one a mile away, a
mile away, very obvious. Oh there's a there's an email
that we just found that's the really bad one. Please
please not on our watch. All right, nonsense, They can't
escape the absolutely ignominious end of this shutdown.
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Speaker 2 (18:52):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
We're joined by my longtime friend and friend of the
show here and my guide for all things Taiwan recently,
Stephen Yates. He is a senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation.
He's a former senior Administration official and national security under
the Bush administration, and as I said before, he's a
(19:14):
fluent Mandarin speaker, and I saw him in action in Taiwan.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It was very impressive. Steven.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I know you're still recovering from some crazy jetlag. Thanks
for making the time for us.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
Well, Bucket's wonderful to join, and thanks very much for
the kind intro.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Please give us a census to you just went. I
mean it was quite a world tour. You were traveling
with the press pool of the Secretary of War. Now
I have to keep reminding myself Secretary of War Hegseth.
But President Trump was over there in Asia.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Where did you go? What were the meetings, what were.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
The big policy takeaways and your most important observations?
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Well, thank you, buck There's a few things that really
stand out. I mean, really the first thing was we
did go to Japan Malaysia for the Southeast Asia Osion,
the Defense ministerial meetings that allowed for bilateral meetings with
the nine countries of Ozion but also with India, Australia, Japan,
(20:11):
and Korea there and then we went up from Malaysia
through Vietnam to Korea and then from Korea all the
way home. I'll just remind the audience this is on
the Doomsday plane from which nuclear retaliation can be called
after the apocalypse begins. Kind of a fun ride. But
that plane, I think is older than the Secretary, and
(20:32):
I pray that the Secretary gets new planes soon. Just
as an aside, But that fourteen hour flight home to
Andrews is quite an adventure, going through the aerial refueling,
some cool helicopter rides. Very fun stuff in some sense,
but serious policy. I think the first number one it
put the lie to the notion that somehow the Trump
(20:54):
administration is isolationists. This is opposite of isolationism. The President
had a very widespread tour through the Indo Pacific region,
major meetings and decisions made in that region. The first
stop with Secretary of Hegseth was Japan. The new Prime
Minister there is a gang Busters iron Lady of East
(21:17):
Asia loves America, loves Japan, is good for the Alliance.
She paid deep respect for our troops. The President the
Prime Minister were there, Secretary of Hegseth were there. I
think the troops loved that. I thought it was a
really wonderful message to the Alliance. So first, the Trump
administration is engaging the world. It's just engaging differently and
the establishment doesn't know what to do about that, but
(21:40):
it's not isolationism, and alliances are largely happy and improving.
A lot of the defense spending increases are happening. They
need to move further faster, but it's directionally correct, and
I think that was attested to when the Defense minister
from the Philippines just spoke so positively and effusively about
(22:02):
America's engagement with them as they're challenged by the communist Chinese.
And just the final point Buck, I'd say, just watching
Secretary of Pete Hexsas in action. You and I have
known him from our younger days and commentary. It was
great to see him in action in this regard. I mean,
he spoke clearly, decisively and without wavering about the China
(22:25):
challenge to the United States but also the region. And
he did it with the Chinese in the room, and
the message was the same, whether it's public private, no
matter who was there. And I just thought that kind
of consistency, clarity, conviction to purpose. It was good to
see and I would expect no less out of Pete.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Steve Buck just came back from Taiwan. He's talked a
lot about it. If you were telling.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Steve was my shirpa in Taiwan, so he was there
every step of the way. He was translating in the meetings.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
If you were telling us out there, Hey, this is
what I would be concerned about, this is what you
should be concerned about. I'm presuming Taiwan and what happens
with China would probably be number.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
One on your list. Is that true?
Speaker 6 (23:11):
And how much higher is that on your list of
concern than other things? How should we calibrate concerns in
Trump two point zero in that respect?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Oh, Clay, I think there's a couple of things first,
and Buck has had to listen to me say this
over and over. But basically, what happens in Taiwan is
not a Taiwan only situation. Japan has a fundamental national
interest in the status quo being maintained, and that Taiwan
continued to be a free in democratic territory, and that
(23:44):
China is not able to dominate those air and sea
lanes around it through which fifty percent of the world's
container traffic go. So if you imagine an economy that
is rocked by fifty percent of those containers carrying all
your cheap goods to your doorstep by way of Amazon
or elsewhere going could put for a time. Then this matters,
and it matters for more than just the transactional notion
(24:07):
of are we buying things? But Taiwan's also part of
the value chain. They have major companies that are helping
us have a shot at winning the ai race and
finding ways to adapt their military capabilities. They also buy
assistance from US, not ask for assistance to be given
to them from US, and so in many ways there
(24:27):
are a value add But the most important thing is
to understand that it's that first island chain that goes
from Japan through Taiwan, through the Philippines down into Southeast
Asia that have common cause. And if they're all doing
more to protect themselves, they're all buying more from America
to defend themselves, and we're keeping our partnerships vital within
(24:48):
economically and otherwise. That's a pretty profound deterrent and it
makes the chances of war go way down.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Stephen Yates with us now a senior fellow at the
Heritage Foundation, and and just got back from travel with
the Secretary of War all over Asia and on the
China front. Steven there was actually a pretty big announcement today.
This came from FBI Director Cash Patel speaking about China
(25:16):
and their role in the fentanyl crisis. Let's play this
clip and then Steve and I wanted to have you
react to it. Play the audio.
Speaker 9 (25:22):
While we the interagency, the Department of Justice have been
fighting hard to seize and stop drug traffickers, we must
attack fentanyl precursors, the ingredients necessary to make this lethal drug.
That was the sole purpose of my trip to China
to eliminate these precursors and if successful, we would suffocate
the drug trafficking organiation's ability to manufacture fentanyl in places
(25:43):
like Mexico. This was the first time an FBI director
has been to China in over a decade and received
the audience with his counterpart to address this matter directly,
and again, thanks to President Trump's directing gaves with President
she the government of China committed fully to my engagement
there on the ground in Beijing at a level never
seen before. While at Ministry of Public Security headquarters, I
(26:05):
met with my counterpart at MPs where that Chinese government
agreed on a plan to stop fentanyl precursors. What does
that mean, the People's Republic of China has fully designated
and listed all thirteen precursors utilized to make fentanyl effective immediately, Essentially,
President Trump has shut off the pipeline that creates fentanyl
(26:27):
that kills tens of thousands of Americans.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Steven wanted you to react to this big news today
from the White House from the FBI Director.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Well, first and foremost, I just I am very very
grateful for President Trump and the team making this a
very real priority. As you know, Bach, my daughter was
killed by fentinel poisoning two years ago, and so I'm
not unbiased in trying to assess who's to blame and
what needs to be done about this, and so I
(26:56):
think what Cash is saying is incredibly important. I would
also just add that this is ten years too late
by China. I have no forgiveness for that regime in
the slow and methodical murder of hundreds of thousands of Americans,
and I don't think we should have to negotiate people
to stop murdering our eighteen to thirty five year old
(27:17):
demographic in America. That said, we live in a world
of bad people, and the President and his team are
serious about trying to enforce this. I would like to
see them go further and designate these illicit precursors as
a weapon of mass destruction. So, just like the cartels
are terrorist organizations, if you engage in this business, you're
(27:37):
at war, and I would be happy to see you
get lit up the way those boats have been get
lit up with the Caribbean.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Last question for you, and we appreciate that you sharing
that story about your daughter, and I know there's many
people out there that have had similar experiences because unfortunately,
we've been losing one hundred thousand people a year to
fentanyl poisoning. What do you think President Trump would do
if China invaded Taiwan and how would you assess the
(28:07):
probability or likelihood of something like that happening in the
next three years of his term in office.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Well, I certainly hope that President Trump sees it as
a potential catastrophic development, not because of just the well
being of the people of Taiwan, but it would lead
to such a severe market reaction that it would be
cataclysmic for our own gross domestic product for a sustained
period of time. It would call into question alliances if
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we didn't rally to find a way to push back
against this kind of encroachment, and it would be crippling
in this race for AI and other things that are
unfortunately a very very important part of our future economic
and social way of life. So I hope that he's
improving to Terrence. I think that's what but Secretary of
(29:00):
Hegseth was all about. I think the reform of the
manufacturing supply chain and making sure that those are safe
and clean supply chains are necessary down payment on getting
that right. Having new allies or new leaders among our
allies that are serious about it, like in Japan, all
of this is to the good. So I'm hoping that directionally,
(29:22):
we've got the right team and we're starting to do
the right policies. And if there's rationality less engaging, they
would say, you know what, this would be a bad
data test.
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Us, Thank you, Buck, thank you play.
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Fun event. There, we started to talk about H one
B one at the top of this hour. Robbie Starbuck
was a little bit delayed, and so we didn't know
if he was going to be there.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Can I can I jump in Clay. I'm sorry, I
know I want to talk. That's actually important. You want
to talk about this talkback though, because we're not gonna
remember this one tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Can we just hit this one real quick? It's a
short one. Can we hit this one?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Because the H one B discussion should be longer than
a couple of minutes.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
To do it tomorrow. That's what I was gonna say.
We're going to dive into it in earnest. If you
want to hear our takes on it, there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
It's very important because I really want to hear Darryl's
take on why you don't carry cash?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Play ll.
Speaker 11 (32:33):
I think this whole conversation about Clay not carrying cash
is his justification for not paying his sports bets to
Sean Hannity.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Clay, you own Hannity money. I've lost money.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
I've lost every bet to Hannity, and he's been talking
about it lately. And I saw him in person on
Thursday and I was just like, man, I didn't get
a chance. I haven't been to the at them, so, uh,
you know Shawt left left your wallet in your other
suit jacket? Is that where we are played? I had
the tous on I had the tucks on at the
Patriot Awards. I'm not usually having the wallet in the
(33:11):
tux pants. Uh, and so it's just tough timing for me.
And uh yeah, that is uh, that is very very funny.
A lot of great reactions, by the way, pouring in
uh on many different topics out there, including all of
you people who love change, pocket change, all of you
men out there with ten pounds of pocket change in
(33:32):
one of your pockets, pulling down your pants. That's why
you have to wear a belt buckle, because the change
is just overloading your uh your pants otherwise dragging you down.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And uh, let's.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
See, I want to catch up with all of these,
uh you know, I will say I was reading an
article the original silver buck in the in the coins
I believe stop around nineteen sixty, and so an average
(34:04):
quarter and half dollar I think is now worth if
it's pre nineteen sixty because we've seen precious metals prices
go up to such an extent. I think if you
find a half dollar or a quarter that is full silver,
they're now actually worth over three dollars each. And I
don't want you to look to me to be your
(34:25):
precious metals expert, so you can do your own research.
But they stopped making one hundred percent silver coins. I
believe it was sometime around nineteen sixty and if you
find them from before, they're actually worth way more than
the face value of the coin. To try to win
back coin officionados out there. Well, you know, in ancient
Rome they did this. They had initially in their coinage.
(34:48):
Early Roman coins had silver. They were silver, they were
made of silver, and almost entirely, and then over time
they started the debasement of their own coinage by putting
less and less silver in the coins. Didn't that also
contribute to insane rates of lead poisoning the way that
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they made the coins back in the day. I think
I'm correct about that in terms of the impact of coinage.
But yes, that is typically what happens is you're debasing
on a face value level the substance under which your
currency is based. Michigan tim He says he's got a
coin operated laundromat. Imagine the amount of coins he's collecting
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on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Gigi, I own a coin operated launder maat. I sure
hope they don't get rid of quarters.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Well, look, they're not going to get rid of them.
The question is, and this topic came up because they
are finishing the production of pennies, so pennies will continue
to circulate. There just won't be new ones coming into
the overall coin release. And the reality is most people
(36:00):
are still going to keep losing pennies in their couch
cushions and eventually they will all vanish.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
But that's where they will be. When we come back.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Tomorrow, we'll talk h one B one buck, have that
real discussion. We didn't talk about this the fifty year mortgage.
Maybe we're gonna have a discussion about affordability of homes
because I think a lot of people out there, young
people thinking about how do you buy that first home?
I think that's intriguing as well.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Also, does the app open Table spy on your behavior
when it comes to I really want to have this
discussion because I have a I'm gonna tell you this
right now, everybody, so team hold me to this.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
We got to discuss this tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I think I have a scorching hot take on whether
Open table should be able to judge you as the
user
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now, thanks
for being here, everybody, appreciate all of you. So, our
friend Laura angram Over at Fox News had a sit
down with President Trump and they got into a whole
range of issues, very good interviews, and there's a couple
of moments, a couple of takeaways from it that I
(00:25):
think it's important for us to have a little discussion about.
One of them is is this it gets to H
one B visas and the government, the administration approach to
the H one B visas, which.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
This was a discussion that led right around a year ago.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Actually, there was a pretty intense online exchange about this
involving Elon Musk, who went.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Completely scored short in favor of H one b's.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Until people provided him with the data, the information to
show that the H one B visa program is actually
really abused and it can be very exploitative, and it's
unfair to the American people. It needs dramatic reform. And
Vivek Ramaswami also weighed in on this one, and it
(01:19):
was a moment where Maga was saying, hold on a second,
I don't think that we have to celebrate other cultures
over American culture. When it comes to excellence, I think
America is the culture of global excellence. It was not
a good moment for mister vivek Uh and there was
a lot of back and forth and it was all
over this H one B situation. Now Lord Ingram pressed
(01:42):
Trump on this, and here's how the exchange went play
cut one.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Does that mean the H one B visa saying will
not be a big priority for your administration because if
you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't
flood the country with tens of thousands or US eyes.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I agree, but we also do have to bring in
talent when we country are talented.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I know you don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You don't We don't have talent that now you don't have.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
You don't have certain talents, and you have to people
have to learn. You can't take people off an unimployment
like an unemployment line and say I'm going to put
you into a factory, we're going to make missiles or
I'm going to puty.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Do we ever do it before?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, you and I I'll give you an example. In Georgia,
they raided because they wanted illegal immigrants. They had people
from from South Korea that need batteries all their lives.
You know, making batteries are very complicated.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's not an.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Easy thing and very dangerous. A lot of explosions, a
lot of problems. They had like five or six hundred
people early stages to make batteries and to teach people
how to do it. Well, they wanted them to get
out of the country. You're going to need that, laure
I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.
You can't just say a country's coming in, going to
invest ten billion dollars to build a plant and going
(02:56):
to take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked
in five years, and they're going to start making missiles.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It doesn't okay, Well.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
This is a very important discussion, but Clay, We're sorry, guys.
We we got to put a pin in it because
we were gonna have Robbie Starbick on. We had a
little tech issue. But we can get him on now.
The phone line situation got squared away, so Robbie Starbuck
joins us.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
He's a conservative activist and many of you are familiar
with his work.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Robbie, thanks for being here.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Tell us your story, man, because you wanted to come on,
and I think people need to know about what's been
going on.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Yeah, thanks for happing me on. Yeah, it's been wild
what has happened. Essentially two years ago, I found out
the Google's AI, which then was called Bard, was saying
all kinds of crazy stuff about me that just wasn't true,
from saying that I was a supporter of the KKK
to even making arguments for the death penalty because I
guess some of my takes offend people on the left.
(03:53):
But then it got much worse when they introduced Gemini
and Gemma. Gemini and Gemma went so far as to
make accusations that I was accused of sexual assault, of
raping people, including people who are PG as possible for
the audience in case there's kids in the car. But
you know, it can't be stressed enough how hard we
(04:15):
tried to get Google to stop this. I notified them
starting two years ago that this was going on, and
my lawyers at Dylan Law Firm have been repeatedly letting
them know and sending season desist letters throughout this year,
and Google just continued to allow this stuff to go on.
The lies got so intense, so elaborate that you almost
can't believe it. And it came from prompts as simple
as tell me about Robbie Starbuck or somebody looking me up, right,
(04:37):
So this wasn't somebody saying, hey, invent a story. It
was as simple as tell me about this guy, right.
And it got so detailed that invented fake court records,
fake police records, fake victims, fake therapy records. And it
would get so detailed that if you said, hey, what
are your sources for this, it would invent fake court
records and also fake media articles. Okay, so it would
(04:58):
say foxnews dot com slash Rob Starbucks, sexual assault allegations.
There's something along those lines. And it did that with
all of the major media outlets essentially and some of
the biggest figures in media. It even invented fake statements
from JD. Vans and President Trump about the situation. So
this is obviously incredibly dangerous and you have to wonder
why this is happening, right, because something is feeding this
information to the AI and that we intend to find
(05:21):
out in discovery. But if you think about like the
long side of this, right, like look ten years down
the line, control of our country is decided by a
very small number of swing seats, and it's very easy
to envision a future where this type of you know,
malicious AI is deployed against every right wing candidate in
those swing seats, and you're able to shift five to
(05:41):
six percent of the vote based on telling wise about
the candidates to voters who reach out saying, hey, tell
me there's a difference between these two candidates.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
This is a hugely important story, and I appreciate you
coming on. We're talking to Robbie Starbuck. You just heard
him lay out what happened with Google AI. There's a
lawsuit pending. But if they could do this to you,
and this is where I think this becomes so important
and you just hit on it.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean they could do it to Yes.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Republican Senate candidates, Republican presidential candidates, Republican congressional candidates. But
I think a lot of people out there also know
that arguably at least those guys can punch back. Yeah,
why couldn't they do this to anyone in America where Google?
What happens when your name is googled is probably the
(06:30):
number one most important thing on the Internet. I would
say for most people in most professions. This seems hugely important,
not just for what happened to you, but for the
message that it's sending. It could happen to anyone. What
are you trying to do to remedy.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
It, Quay, I was hoping you'd bring that up, because
You're exactly right. The biggest problem is not that even
this is happening to me. Obviously, I'm concerned to damage
my reputation and all those things, but I'm thinking about
my kids, like this can happen to your son, your daughter,
your wife, your husband, and it could eliminate your ability
to get jobs. I mean, I want people to think
about this. How far AI is reaching into our lives.
(07:05):
It's already being used in reputation scoring for insurance, which,
by the way, crazy story. I was actually denied insurance
by I think it was five insurers this last year.
I've never been denied my life. I'm an autopay person,
never been in a car accident, Like, there is no
reason I should be denied for insurance. It took until
the sixth then sure, for us to even get an
offer from a major insurance company. Every other one said risky,
(07:26):
wouldn't tell us why, and we're going to have to
figure out through discovery if it was because it was
pooling that information from AI. But you can get debanked,
you can, you know, have what a job interviewers often do,
they google the people who are applying for jobs, right,
And so you get googled on Gemini and they tell
this potential job that you're actually excused of some heinous crime,
(07:48):
you know, and this could be as simple as getting
back at you for your politics that Google doesn't share, right.
So it's very easy to see where this can get
very dangerous, very fast. And so I think, you know,
part of the remedy here isn't just making me whole
and fixing the situation. It's fixing the problem for good
and setting a standard and setting precedent that AI cannot
harm humans. That needs to be the first principle of AI,
(08:08):
because if you allow it on this level where it's defamatory, right,
you're baking that in at the root level of a
tree that is either going to bear fruit that helps
humanity grow into abundance or you're going to grow poison fruit,
and it's going to be to the detriment of humanity.
What you bake in that root is very important. So
we're teaching AI now what is going to later be
(08:30):
very important. It's deployment across all platforms and law enforcement, medicine,
everything else. And so that's why I feel like this
is a critically important fight. I'm thinking ten years out,
fifteen years out, how deeply this is going to affect
all of us and our kids.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
What was it like when you were trying to get
answers in the early stage and then throughout from a
company like Google that is so vastly powerful, influential, connected
and resourced. Yet I can only imagine Robbie, like, if
this happened to me, I wouldn't even know who do
you call for email? Who can you get to actually
(09:06):
sit down or speak to you as a human to
try to address this. Feels like you were probably in
a very uh Kaska ask like where do I go
for justice? Situation?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, it was very confusing, honestly, even with me, where
I'm able to get in front of the media, I'm
able to you know, pay lawyers to be able to
do this stuff. But back then, initially I raised the
red flag about this publicly just adding the and direct
messaging people at Google like hey, can you get this fixed?
And eventually a Google employee reached out to me, and
(09:36):
this lady seemed like she wanted to help. So I
laid out the whole story and send screenshots from the
people who had sent them to me and that we
were able to recreate these. She says, okay, I want
to help, and I checked in over time, and it
was about three months later she lets me know, I'm
so sorry I wasn't able to fix this. And this
is in a lawsuit. We put this like, we put
all the receipts. Okay, she said, I'm so sorry I
(09:58):
wasn't able to help. I am resigned today and she resigned.
And then things got much worse with Gemma and Gemini.
And here's the other thing that's really scary, right, is
that you'd think a company like this could fix all this, right, Well,
it took until last week to finally get them to
fix some of this stuff in the actual app and
the Google dot com website. But here's what's crazy. They're
(10:21):
over one hundred and fifty million wild downloads of Gema.
Gemma is also used by developers beyond just being a
chatbot to help develop apps that power the future, right,
and then Gemini, same thing. Gemini has a bunch of
uncountable digital downloads. We don't even know what that number is.
And many of these they can never be connected to
the Internet, or won't be connected to the Internet, and
cannot be fixed remotely by Google. So these things, which
(10:44):
will be used in many different contexts over god knows
how long, can never be changed. And that's pretty wild,
and I think that's something that also has to change
in this process.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
You're in the process of going through discovery and finding
all this stuff out, but you mentioned how do you
even get a person to be able to address We
found out when we sold OutKick to Fox. Fox went
through the deep dive and they said, hey, you're not
indexed on Google. And I knew that was true because
we would break news on OutKick and then we would
(11:17):
never show up at the top of Google search results.
And we had gone through this four or five different
times with them, and they had said, everything's fine. Somebody
had just taken us out of the Google search results.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Robbie.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
That had to be an individual, right, Somebody just decided
they don't like me. They're one of thousands and thousands,
tens of thousands of Google employees. They hide your site
over in the refuse so that you can't be found.
Do you feel like, and again I know the discovery
is underway, do you feel like ultimately this is malice
(11:49):
driven by an individual or individuals inside of the company
to have set up or and I know I'm asking
you to speculate a little bit, do you think this
is just Ai run a muck and for some reason
you happen to get dragged through the cycle like this.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
So there's two different things here. One is, you know,
does it meet the legal standard of malice? No matter what, Absolutely,
it doesn't matter what the intent was. The fact was
they were notified so many times over the course of
two years to fix this, and they didn't fix it.
And they continually repeatedly told the same lies, inventing the
same situations with similar victims and evidence and all these
fake news articles and everything. That's gross negligence that equals malice.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
But then there's my personal view, right, My personal view
is one where I can't I can't get myself to
a place where I think this is just Ai run
a muck. Right, Because Google's response publicly has been to
essentially excuse this as hallucinations, is what they say. Well,
you deep dive into hallucinations, and I've talked to AI experts.
They're typically kind of disjointed and kind of like weird, right,
(12:55):
They're pulling things from different places and kind of mixing
them all together. There's too many similar threads and too
many commonalities in what it continually repeated about me for
it to fit a hallucination pattern, by my estimation from
talking to these experts, and I think lawyers agree with this,
and so when you look at it from that context,
it's very hard for me to get anywhere except for
(13:17):
thinking this was deliberately poisoned. So that's how I view it, right,
is it seems deliberate when you get as detailed as
these things did, and you repeatedly refuse to own up
to the fact that it's a lie. And this is
what's crazy, Like you can literally answer back to the SAI.
And we had people saying things like, hey, these news
stories are totally false, nothing like this ever happened, and
(13:38):
it would double and triple down that it did happen,
and it went so far on one occasion to actually
create a fake article in a real journalist's name when
somebody pressed the AI and saying the link didn't work
to the story it was sending them, So it literally
invented a fake news story. I want people to think
about this. Right, we're at this precipice where we have
all these image generators and voice generators and video generators,
(14:00):
but they're not all quite interconnected to the chatbots as
well as they will be a year or two from now,
maybe even less. Had this continued to happen for another
year or two, it would have literally been inventing fake
videos and audio of me doing these crimes. I want
people to think about that, because if you've seen the
AI outputs that we're seeing in video and audio, there's
(14:21):
currently a top charting music artist, I think it's called
Breaking Russ that is AI right like, and you can't
distinguish it from a human being. It sounds like a
real human musician. That is so incredibly dangerous. And again,
I imagine our sons and our daughters facing accusations with
fake AI videos and audio. Hey, it's very clear when
you think about that that we need guardrails, no.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Doubt, Robbie. This is fantastic. If people want to know
more about this story. Where would you tell them?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
To? Go?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Follow me on social media YouTube x at Robbie Starbuck
Robbi Starbuck, or go to Robbistarbuck dot com if you
want to read the actual lawsuit. We've put it up
there in case anybody wants to read thing. Even lawyers
who don't like me, people who hate me, have said,
like dang, they have absolutely an incredible case. So I
think it's a seminal case in the fight for fairness
and getting rid of bias, and.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
AI appreciate the time. It is an important story. Keep
us updated. We want to continue to share this story
as we move along.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Thank you, gentlemen for shining a light on it.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
That's Robbie Starbuck, all right, Buck, I'm going to try
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Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton show. That Robby
Starbuck discussion. I think put a pin in that because
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it should be alarming to anyone out there that is
in any way intrigued by the direction that that is headed,
by the way President Trump has weighed in the Democrats
on the Epstein thing, saying basically the exact same thing
we told you. Democrats are trying to bring up the
Jeffrey Epstein hoax because they'll do anything to deflect on
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how badly they've done on the shutdown. Only a very
bad or stupid Republican would fall into that trap. Will
hit that a bit more and we come back. But
this is exactly what we said, Buck.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I gotta just say, you don't got a couple of bad,
stupid Republicans here on this show. That's all I can
tell you. We saw this one a mile away, a
mile away, very obvious. Oh there's a there's an email
that we just found that's the really bad one. Please
please not on our watch. All right, nonsense, They can't
escape the absolutely ignominious end of this shutdown.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Very nice word. I do it like that, I rocking roll.
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
We're joined by my longtime friend and friend of the
show here and my guide for all things Taiwan recently,
Stephen Yates. He is a senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation.
He's a former senior Administration official and national security under
the Bush administration, and as I said before, he's a
(19:14):
fluent Mandarin speaker, and I saw him in action in Taiwan.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It was very impressive. Steven.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I know you're still recovering from some crazy jetlag. Thanks
for making the time for us.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
Well, Bucket's wonderful to join, and thanks very much for
the kind intro.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Please give us a census to you just went. I
mean it was quite a world tour. You were traveling
with the press pool of the Secretary of War. Now
I have to keep reminding myself Secretary of War Hegseth.
But President Trump was over there in Asia.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Where did you go? What were the meetings, what were.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
The big policy takeaways and your most important observations?
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Well, thank you, buck There's a few things that really
stand out. I mean, really the first thing was we
did go to Japan Malaysia for the Southeast Asia Osion,
the Defense ministerial meetings that allowed for bilateral meetings with
the nine countries of Ozion but also with India, Australia, Japan,
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and Korea there and then we went up from Malaysia
through Vietnam to Korea and then from Korea all the
way home. I'll just remind the audience this is on
the Doomsday plane from which nuclear retaliation can be called
after the apocalypse begins. Kind of a fun ride. But
that plane, I think is older than the Secretary, and
(20:32):
I pray that the Secretary gets new planes soon. Just
as an aside, But that fourteen hour flight home to
Andrews is quite an adventure, going through the aerial refueling,
some cool helicopter rides. Very fun stuff in some sense,
but serious policy. I think the first number one it
put the lie to the notion that somehow the Trump
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administration is isolationists. This is opposite of isolationism. The President
had a very widespread tour through the Indo Pacific region,
major meetings and decisions made in that region. The first
stop with Secretary of Hegseth was Japan. The new Prime
Minister there is a gang Busters iron Lady of East
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Asia loves America, loves Japan, is good for the Alliance.
She paid deep respect for our troops. The President the
Prime Minister were there, Secretary of Hegseth were there. I
think the troops loved that. I thought it was a
really wonderful message to the Alliance. So first, the Trump
administration is engaging the world. It's just engaging differently and
the establishment doesn't know what to do about that, but
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it's not isolationism, and alliances are largely happy and improving.
A lot of the defense spending increases are happening. They
need to move further faster, but it's directionally correct, and
I think that was attested to when the Defense minister
from the Philippines just spoke so positively and effusively about
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America's engagement with them as they're challenged by the communist Chinese.
And just the final point Buck, I'd say, just watching
Secretary of Pete Hexsas in action. You and I have
known him from our younger days and commentary. It was
great to see him in action in this regard. I mean,
he spoke clearly, decisively and without wavering about the China
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challenge to the United States but also the region. And
he did it with the Chinese in the room, and
the message was the same, whether it's public private, no
matter who was there. And I just thought that kind
of consistency, clarity, conviction to purpose. It was good to
see and I would expect no less out of Pete.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Steve Buck just came back from Taiwan. He's talked a
lot about it. If you were telling.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Steve was my shirpa in Taiwan, so he was there
every step of the way. He was translating in the meetings.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
If you were telling us out there, Hey, this is
what I would be concerned about, this is what you
should be concerned about. I'm presuming Taiwan and what happens
with China would probably be number.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
One on your list. Is that true?
Speaker 6 (23:11):
And how much higher is that on your list of
concern than other things? How should we calibrate concerns in
Trump two point zero in that respect?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Oh, Clay, I think there's a couple of things first,
and Buck has had to listen to me say this
over and over. But basically, what happens in Taiwan is
not a Taiwan only situation. Japan has a fundamental national
interest in the status quo being maintained, and that Taiwan
continued to be a free in democratic territory, and that
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China is not able to dominate those air and sea
lanes around it through which fifty percent of the world's
container traffic go. So if you imagine an economy that
is rocked by fifty percent of those containers carrying all
your cheap goods to your doorstep by way of Amazon
or elsewhere going could put for a time. Then this matters,
and it matters for more than just the transactional notion
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of are we buying things? But Taiwan's also part of
the value chain. They have major companies that are helping
us have a shot at winning the ai race and
finding ways to adapt their military capabilities. They also buy
assistance from US, not ask for assistance to be given
to them from US, and so in many ways there
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are a value add But the most important thing is
to understand that it's that first island chain that goes
from Japan through Taiwan, through the Philippines down into Southeast
Asia that have common cause. And if they're all doing
more to protect themselves, they're all buying more from America
to defend themselves, and we're keeping our partnerships vital within
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economically and otherwise. That's a pretty profound deterrent and it
makes the chances of war go way down.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Stephen Yates with us now a senior fellow at the
Heritage Foundation, and and just got back from travel with
the Secretary of War all over Asia and on the
China front. Steven there was actually a pretty big announcement today.
This came from FBI Director Cash Patel speaking about China
(25:16):
and their role in the fentanyl crisis. Let's play this
clip and then Steve and I wanted to have you
react to it. Play the audio.
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While we the interagency, the Department of Justice have been
fighting hard to seize and stop drug traffickers, we must
attack fentanyl precursors, the ingredients necessary to make this lethal drug.
That was the sole purpose of my trip to China
to eliminate these precursors and if successful, we would suffocate
the drug trafficking organiation's ability to manufacture fentanyl in places
(25:43):
like Mexico. This was the first time an FBI director
has been to China in over a decade and received
the audience with his counterpart to address this matter directly,
and again, thanks to President Trump's directing gaves with President
she the government of China committed fully to my engagement
there on the ground in Beijing at a level never
seen before. While at Ministry of Public Security headquarters, I
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met with my counterpart at MPs where that Chinese government
agreed on a plan to stop fentanyl precursors. What does
that mean, the People's Republic of China has fully designated
and listed all thirteen precursors utilized to make fentanyl effective immediately, Essentially,
President Trump has shut off the pipeline that creates fentanyl
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that kills tens of thousands of Americans.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Steven wanted you to react to this big news today
from the White House from the FBI Director.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Well, first and foremost, I just I am very very
grateful for President Trump and the team making this a
very real priority. As you know, Bach, my daughter was
killed by fentinel poisoning two years ago, and so I'm
not unbiased in trying to assess who's to blame and
what needs to be done about this, and so I
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think what Cash is saying is incredibly important. I would
also just add that this is ten years too late
by China. I have no forgiveness for that regime in
the slow and methodical murder of hundreds of thousands of Americans,
and I don't think we should have to negotiate people
to stop murdering our eighteen to thirty five year old
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demographic in America. That said, we live in a world
of bad people, and the President and his team are
serious about trying to enforce this. I would like to
see them go further and designate these illicit precursors as
a weapon of mass destruction. So, just like the cartels
are terrorist organizations, if you engage in this business, you're
(27:37):
at war, and I would be happy to see you
get lit up the way those boats have been get
lit up with the Caribbean.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Last question for you, and we appreciate that you sharing
that story about your daughter, and I know there's many
people out there that have had similar experiences because unfortunately,
we've been losing one hundred thousand people a year to
fentanyl poisoning. What do you think President Trump would do
if China invaded Taiwan and how would you assess the
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probability or likelihood of something like that happening in the
next three years of his term in office.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Well, I certainly hope that President Trump sees it as
a potential catastrophic development, not because of just the well
being of the people of Taiwan, but it would lead
to such a severe market reaction that it would be
cataclysmic for our own gross domestic product for a sustained
period of time. It would call into question alliances if
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we didn't rally to find a way to push back
against this kind of encroachment, and it would be crippling
in this race for AI and other things that are
unfortunately a very very important part of our future economic
and social way of life. So I hope that he's
improving to Terrence. I think that's what but Secretary of
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Hegseth was all about. I think the reform of the
manufacturing supply chain and making sure that those are safe
and clean supply chains are necessary down payment on getting
that right. Having new allies or new leaders among our
allies that are serious about it, like in Japan, all
of this is to the good. So I'm hoping that directionally,
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we've got the right team and we're starting to do
the right policies. And if there's rationality less engaging, they
would say, you know what, this would be a bad
data test.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Uncle Sam Steven Yates of the Heritage Foundation, Steven, we'll
have you back again soon. A lot of important things
happening in the area of the world that you know best.
Thanks for being with.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
Us, Thank you, Buck, thank you play.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
For sure.
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Fun event. There, we started to talk about H one
B one at the top of this hour. Robbie Starbuck
was a little bit delayed, and so we didn't know
if he was going to be there.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Can I can I jump in Clay. I'm sorry, I
know I want to talk. That's actually important. You want
to talk about this talkback though, because we're not gonna
remember this one tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Can we just hit this one real quick? It's a
short one. Can we hit this one?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Because the H one B discussion should be longer than
a couple of minutes.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
To do it tomorrow. That's what I was gonna say.
We're going to dive into it in earnest. If you
want to hear our takes on it, there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
It's very important because I really want to hear Darryl's
take on why you don't carry cash?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Play ll.
Speaker 11 (32:33):
I think this whole conversation about Clay not carrying cash
is his justification for not paying his sports bets to
Sean Hannity.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Clay, you own Hannity money. I've lost money.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
I've lost every bet to Hannity, and he's been talking
about it lately. And I saw him in person on
Thursday and I was just like, man, I didn't get
a chance. I haven't been to the at them, so, uh,
you know Shawt left left your wallet in your other
suit jacket? Is that where we are played? I had
the tous on I had the tucks on at the
Patriot Awards. I'm not usually having the wallet in the
(33:11):
tux pants. Uh, and so it's just tough timing for me.
And uh yeah, that is uh, that is very very funny.
A lot of great reactions, by the way, pouring in
uh on many different topics out there, including all of
you people who love change, pocket change, all of you
men out there with ten pounds of pocket change in
(33:32):
one of your pockets, pulling down your pants. That's why
you have to wear a belt buckle, because the change
is just overloading your uh your pants otherwise dragging you down.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And uh, let's.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
See, I want to catch up with all of these,
uh you know, I will say I was reading an
article the original silver buck in the in the coins
I believe stop around nineteen sixty, and so an average
(34:04):
quarter and half dollar I think is now worth if
it's pre nineteen sixty because we've seen precious metals prices
go up to such an extent. I think if you
find a half dollar or a quarter that is full silver,
they're now actually worth over three dollars each. And I
don't want you to look to me to be your
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precious metals expert, so you can do your own research.
But they stopped making one hundred percent silver coins. I
believe it was sometime around nineteen sixty and if you
find them from before, they're actually worth way more than
the face value of the coin. To try to win
back coin officionados out there. Well, you know, in ancient
Rome they did this. They had initially in their coinage.
(34:48):
Early Roman coins had silver. They were silver, they were
made of silver, and almost entirely, and then over time
they started the debasement of their own coinage by putting
less and less silver in the coins. Didn't that also
contribute to insane rates of lead poisoning the way that
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they made the coins back in the day. I think
I'm correct about that in terms of the impact of coinage.
But yes, that is typically what happens is you're debasing
on a face value level the substance under which your
currency is based. Michigan tim He says he's got a
coin operated laundromat. Imagine the amount of coins he's collecting
(35:30):
on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Gigi, I own a coin operated launder maat. I sure
hope they don't get rid of quarters.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Well, look, they're not going to get rid of them.
The question is, and this topic came up because they
are finishing the production of pennies, so pennies will continue
to circulate. There just won't be new ones coming into
the overall coin release. And the reality is most people
(36:00):
are still going to keep losing pennies in their couch
cushions and eventually they will all vanish.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
But that's where they will be. When we come back.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Tomorrow, we'll talk h one B one buck, have that
real discussion. We didn't talk about this the fifty year mortgage.
Maybe we're gonna have a discussion about affordability of homes
because I think a lot of people out there, young
people thinking about how do you buy that first home?
I think that's intriguing as well.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Also, does the app open Table spy on your behavior
when it comes to I really want to have this
discussion because I have a I'm gonna tell you this
right now, everybody, so team hold me to this.
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We got to discuss this tomorrow.
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