November 20, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers a fiery mix of political analysis and policy debate, starting with a controversial Democrat PSA urging military personnel to refuse “illegal orders.” Buck Sexton calls out the vagueness and subversive tone of the message, questioning what specific unlawful orders lawmakers like Mark Kelly, Jason Crow, and Elise Slotkin are referencing. He argues this campaign is rooted in Trump Derangement Syndrome, framing it as an attempt to undermine the Commander-in-Chief and sow distrust within the armed forces. Buck highlights sharp reactions from Martha MacCallum, Marsha Blackburn, and Stephen Miller, who labeled the PSA as “insurrection” and a dangerous precedent.
The segment underscores how Democrats selectively invoke constitutional principles for political gain, contrasting their silence during Obama-era drone strikes with their current rhetoric. The hour then pivots to Nancy Pelosi’s inflammatory remarks, where she called Trump “the worst thing on the face of the earth.” Buck critiques the emotional extremism dominating Democratic leadership and its corrosive effect on political discourse, noting Pelosi’s outsized influence on 21st-century politics.
In the second half, Buck welcomes Florida Governor Ron DeSantis for an in-depth discussion on Florida’s bold proposal to eliminate property taxes on homesteaded properties. DeSantis explains the economic rationale: skyrocketing property valuations are squeezing young families, while local governments have ballooned budgets from $32 billion in 2019 to $56 billion today. He argues that cutting homestead property taxes would protect true homeownership, reduce market distortions, and leverage Florida’s unique tax base, which relies heavily on non-resident property owners. DeSantis outlines plans for a 2026 ballot initiative, addresses concerns about special interests, and contrasts Florida’s lean, results-driven governance with New York’s bloated spending under progressive leadership. The conversation also touches on New York City Mayor-elect Zohran Momani’s agenda, warning that policies like rent freezes and anti-police measures will accelerate urban decline.
The hour closes with listener reactions, including veterans condemning the PSA as “seditious” and reaffirming their commitment to constitutional duty. Buck emphasizes the absurdity of politicizing military obedience and previews upcoming discussions on FBI reform and the Epstein file release.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Everybody's second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now,
And this was a this was a little trip into
crazy town here. You had a bunch of Democrat lawmakers. Oh,
by the way, we've got Governor Ron DeSantis joining us
at the bottom of the hour. Florida. Great things happening
here in Florida, but also conversations that I think affect
(00:23):
the rest of the country. If Florida can get rid
of property taxes on homesteaded properties meaning the place you live,
not businesses, not second homes, not investment properties or whatever.
But if Florida can get rid of the house you
live in, you get to live in, and the government
can't just take it from you because you stop giving
them money. Why can't every state do that? People go
all but where are they going to pay for the
(00:46):
The property tax is actually a pretty small percent overall,
the kind of property tax I'm talking about just on
home steaded properties, pretty small percentage of many of these counties,
at least in Florida. And there's a lot of waste,
a lot of money being spent on things that shouldn't
be spent on. So anyway we'll get into that. I
think that's a really important conversation because if you live
(01:09):
I think doesn't Texas. Some of you in Texas have
pretty high property tax depends maybe where you are in
the state. I don't know how it works there. I've
had friends complain about their property taxes in Texas, so
that I do know people in the Dallas area for sure. Yeah,
we could get away from this because I do believe
that there is something philosophically wrong with you. Work your
(01:33):
whole life. Let's say, to pay off your thirty year,
not your fifty year, your thirty year mortgage in a house.
You pay it all off, and then if you don't
keep sending a check to the government based on the
increasing taxation, it doesn't even stay the same, right, increasing
(01:53):
taxes that you pay over time on that house, they
can seize your home. How is that right?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
It just it just doesn't feel like the America we
should be in my friends. You know, I I'm I'm
I'm very much in favor of getting rid of this.
You know, you can people say, well, well be on a
sales tax, Okay, yeah, you can cut back on you.
They're not putting that they're not gonna make the sales
tax on you. Know, ground beef and milk, okay, and
that's not where the money is going to be made up.
(02:21):
So you can cut back on consumption of other things
if you have to, and still stay in your house. Anyway.
I I feel strongly about this one, and I wanted
to talk to the governor about that and some other
things as well, so we'll discuss that. But okay, back
to this. This is this is for all of us.
Can look at this one. This Democrat lawmaker PSA.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So you have.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Mark Kelly, Jason Crowe, they're both veterans. Elis Slotkin's like me,
She's just former CIA, former CIA analyst. We write great
memos and make amazing cappuccinos, like we're not former military.
So you know her in this in this ad is
kind of interesting to me, Like what are you doing there?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You don't you don't know anything about UCMJ and lawful orders.
But tell you something. Slotkin wants to be at the
big dance. She wants to be president probably vice president,
I think is what she realistically thinks she might be
able to achieve. But she definitely has ambitions beyond me.
She's already a senator. So this isn't. It's not crazy.
(03:30):
She's gonna run. She's gonna run. I think she's more
likely to run than Kama laclay. How about that. Play's
not here to make fun of my bad analysis on that.
So we'll get back to this next week. Here's this PSA,
though it's to make It's just a general public service
announcement they put out to members of the military telling
them the following play nineteen. This administration is hitting our
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uniform military.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
And intelligence community professionals.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Against American citizens.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Our laws are clear.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
You can refuse illegal orders. You can refuse illegal orders.
You must refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
No one has to carry out orders that violate the
law or our constitution.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, we know, what's the point of this. We'll get
into that. Here's my first objection to it, though, what's
the illegal order they're worried about? Or give us the
give us the the What are you talking about here?
Where are the orders illegal? The deployment of National Guard
(04:33):
because of a crisis in state. No, the president has
the authority to do that. So what exactly are they
talking about? If they want to make the case, and
I think they're they're they're getting close to this if
they want to make the case that this is about
the strikes against narco terrorists in the Caribbean and in
(04:54):
the Eastern Pacific, which means off the coast of Mexico,
basically West Pacific side of Mexico. If they want to
make that case, say that, why leave it's so vague.
It's a very strange thing to do. It's a very
subversive thing for lawmakers. Look, yeah, free speech, Fine, they
can say it, but I'm allowed to say it's subversive.
(05:17):
It's also like people these days. Yes, you can ask
any question you want, but people can also say, well,
that's a dumb question. There are such things as dumb questions.
I don't know, I don't know where we got this.
People say, well, I was in school. Yeah, they say
that to encourage people to ask questions in the classroom
or in the workplace or whatever. There are dumb questions. Otherwise,
what do you call it when somebody says, well, when
(05:38):
did you stop beating your wife to a politician, just
to try to malign them, knowing that they never beat
their wife. Right there. Of course, there are dumb questions.
But I won't get into that any more than I
already have. Uh, yeah, why not just say that this
is what they think is going on, that there's some
problem here. Well, I think we all know a big,
(05:59):
a big component of the Democrat resistance is this fantasy
that Donald Trump is a king, a tyrant, a Nazi,
a fascist, all this stuff. And so that's why they
want to create this narrative that there are elements of
the United States military that need to be reminded, need
(06:21):
to be reminded that they can choose not to or
they're obligated not to follow in a legal order. Yeah,
they know. It's like putting out a PSA like don't
murder people. Murdering people is bad. I just want you
all to be cleared. Do not murder people. We got it,
(06:41):
we knew that before. Thanks now. I got to give
credit here Martha McCallum and Jason Congressman Crow of Colorado.
Quite an exchange here over what this is and what
this was really all about. Martha McCallum getting right. Didn't
do it. This is cut twenty listen in What needs.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
To happen is they need to come to Congress and
we needed to debate this and for him to say
there's no new war. That's exactly the problem, because only
Congress can declare a war. Only Congress, according to our constitution,
has the authority how it barks, Apparently you don't because
you're saying it's war exists, so it's not a problem.
(07:24):
The United States Congress is the one that has.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
To make typically what your issue is.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And so for members prominent members of the United States
Congress to tell young men and women of the military
that they should not abide by illegal orders and to
leave it so vague and to talk about comments that
have been made in the past and what they might
lead to, I think could potentially be very confusing for
young men and women who have committed to service, which
(07:50):
you honorably did, and I commend you for the sacrifice
that you made.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Let me just show you this.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
This is Senator the market I'm going to respond to
that military service is tough.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It's really tough.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
We send our men and women into very difficult, very
sometimes untenable situations. I know that I've been in those situations.
That's why moral clarity, that's why reminding people about what
the obligations are, that's why abiding by the law and
providing guidance and training them in advance is important.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So what's the problem. I'm still waiting to hear from
this guy or any of the others what the problem is.
And also, you know, we're talking about a policy, we're
talking about politicians. Millions of people served in the United
States military during the War on Terror Era went to
a rock, went to Afghanistan, a few million Americans. So
(08:42):
you know, he's not the only one, you know what
I mean. There's this thing of well I serve, so
you don't get to have an opinion on this. No, actually,
we all get to have an opinion on lawmakers telling
our military, hey, don't do the illegal stuff. What is that?
You know? These are left wing professors at some third
tier liberal arts college making fools of themselves. These are
(09:05):
senators and congressmen. What are they doing? What are they doing? So, yeah,
there you go. I just think it's one of these
moments in time where Democrat derangement. Oh here you go,
Senator Marshall Blackbird, she gets right in, she says, yeah,
these guys got TDS, and she's right, Play twenty one.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
They have stage four Trump derangement syndrome. And it is
inconceivable that you would have elected officials that are saying
to uniform members of the military who have taken an
oath to protect and defend, that they would defy the
orders that they have been given to execute their mission.
(09:49):
I find it inconceivable, but that is what they have
chosen to do. I find this just so disturbing that
they would say, defy the orders if you do not
like the orders.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Now they're saying illegal orders. But that leaves it like,
why are you saying this if you're gonna put out
a PSA at least established for us what the illegal
order is that you're concerned about. What is it that
you think you're not not allowed to do or you
should not be doing. And also, where were these PSAs
(10:26):
from Democrats? As I've said, during the Obama years when
he was the drone warrior, just blowing people up all
over areas of Pakistan, places in Yemen, Somalia, blowing people up.
We're not war in any of those countries, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia,
and yet a lot of stuff going on there with
(10:47):
the presidential executive authority that's taking live and taking life.
Did Look the Democrats, the great advantage they have is
that there's no principle they feel they must adhere to
that is a problem politically. The second it's a problem politically,
the principle gets tossed out the window. So great, when
(11:07):
they need the principles, they reach for them. Oh, we
can use this as a as a complaint against Trump
as a part of our hashtag resistance. No one uses
hashtags anymore. I got stop saying hashtag. But that's what
they used to call it. And the second that it's hey, guys,
our team is doing this, well, our team's allowed to
do it. We're in charge. So Democrats approach everything. It
certainly how they approach this. So, uh, that's where it is.
(11:32):
I thought this was very Oh Steven Miller, by the way,
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Speaker 1 (13:04):
So they put out this PSA. These Democrats lawmakers like
Mark Kelly at last Lock and Jason Crowe some others.
Well they put out this PSA very weird. But you know,
no Kings, Trump's a fascists, all these things, you hear,
they have to come up with some way to deal
with this, that to come up with some explanation of
(13:27):
why Trump is so bad. And so they put out
this PSA because he's the commander in chief of the military,
and there's the Department of War. Now they have officially
changed the name. As you know, here is Stephen Miller.
Though on this situation of telling our national security apparatus
to make sure they don't do anything illegal, play twenty two.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
It is insurrection, plainly, directly, without question. And when you
have one of the lawmakers on that video being unable
to state it, as you say, length across examination, a
single so called.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Illegal order, it just proves the point.
Speaker 7 (14:02):
It's a general call for rebellion from the CIA and
the armed services of the United States by Democrat lawmakers
saying that you had not only the right, but the
duty and the obligation to defy orders of the commander
in chief, that those who carry weapons in America's name
should defy their chain of command and engage in open
(14:24):
acts of insurrection. These lawmakers should honestly resign in disgrace
and never return to public office.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Again, well, that's not going to happen. But I appreciate
Stevens's fire on this and the sense that it's there's
something aligned that feels like is crossed by by this,
And if we're gonna talk line crossing, we might as
well get into Pelosi here. Pelosi is not going to
(14:56):
be a problem in politics much longer, right, She's not
going to be running, and so now I guess she's
going to really say whatever's on her mind, although she's
probably been doing that all along, certainly when it comes
to Trump. But here she is saying the calling Trump
vile is no big deal, and she could have said
much worse stuff. This is twenty three.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
One of the things you said recently in an interview,
who said he was that President Trump was a vile creature,
the worst thing on the face of the earth. Do
you think he's different now than he was in his
first term in terms of his ability as his leadership. Finally,
I said that as a euphemism, I could have done
much worse. You could have done worse. You could have
(15:40):
said worse.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Ha ha ha ha ha, worst thing on the face
of the earth. Think about this. This woman was Speaker
of the House, he was third in line for the presidency.
She was running the Democrat caucus with an iron fist
for many, many, many years. And she's an imbecile, honestly,
very rich, very powerful, put an idiot, and she says
(16:05):
things like this, the worst thing on the face of
the ear. How can you have I ever said that
any Democrat is the worst person on the planet. No,
you know, you have to think about this in terms
of like children throwing tantrums. So they'll say, you know,
I'm I I'm never gonna I'm never gonna talk to
(16:27):
you again, or something. It's like, yeah, okay, like mommy
or Daddy said you can't have another cupcakes, You're never
gonna talk to us again. Sure, but these people have power,
so they're emotional outbursts and the fact that they can't
control themselves, and that they allow themselves to go to
this place where they can say the most extreme things,
(16:48):
and they do regularly, and they have so much just
bile when it comes to Trump that they're spewing all
the time. It's just aw it's so awful, very unhappy people.
That may sound like a simplification, but it's really not.
They're very unhappy people. There's something deeply amiss and a
(17:10):
lot of you, I know, a lot of the Christians
of the audience, would say, we really need to pray
for someone like Pelosi. And you don't say that jokingly
or ironically, you mean that seriously. The Demons have gotten
to her in many different ways over a long period
of time and made her think and do very bad things.
And I think it's unfortunate that the Democrat Party has
(17:31):
people like this in leadership. I mean, Pelosi, after Obama,
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Governor Ron DeSantis joins us now the governor of my
great home state of Florida. Mister Governor, thank you for
making the time for us.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Cole, it's good to be with you. How are you?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I'm gonna mat You're just doing such a good job. Honestly,
my wife and I were the were the relatively new Floridians,
although she grew up here, but we moved back here
and uh, it's just nice to be in a state
where saying I always tell the audience, I'm like, good
andsane things are happening that I don't even know about.
I read about things that you guys are doing up
in Tallahassee and go, oh that makes sense. I like
that idea. You know. When I was in New York,
(19:28):
I was like, can we stop the crazy for five minutes?
Can we just stop the crazy? And bother of the
answer was generally no. Let's start with this possibility because
this is interesting. This has gotten some some pretty big
names in the commentary space. Have been having a little
back and forth online. You support getting rid of homesteaded
(19:48):
property tax in this state. Can you walk through why,
how and whether this is something you think we can
actually get done.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So one it's you look at what's pinching people.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
Property taxes is one of the biggest things that's pinching people,
particularly young families. Why because property valuations have gone up,
and so you'll have somebody that's had a house for
thirty years, they're homesteaded. You know, you have a young
family bought a house three years ago. Their valuation is
way higher, so they're paying a much higher amount in
property taxes. You have to sell a house, maybe you
(20:25):
get transferred from Miami to Tampa. You buy high tax
bases and you're there. So we do have homestead protection.
It does limit the increases, but even that it compounds
three percent a year. So taxes is something that we're
completely in control of. I can't control the price of housing.
I mean, we can do some things to have a
(20:46):
good market. You know, we have done big insurance reforms
and we now have seventeen new companies come in and
our biggest insured Peninsula, just did a rebate or just
did an eight percent reduction and so we're had in
no storms this year, so we think they'll be positive
things there. But ultimately that's a private market. We control
the tax. So here are some numbers. If you in
the state of Florida gets no property tax revenue, I
(21:08):
have a surplus, I have a maxed out rainy day fund.
I don't get property tax revenue.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I don't need it.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
So anyone that tells you all the student's going to
have to raise that, no, we we. In fact, I'm
going to give money to some of these local governments
that are more fiscally constrained to make up. So so
that's the first thing. It's all administered and decided by
your local authorities, and they get one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Of the revenue.
Speaker 9 (21:32):
If you go to COVID, you go right before COVID
twenty nineteen, local governments in Florida brought into total of
thirty two billion dollars in property taxes. You know how
much they're bringing in today, six years later, fifty six
billion dollars. Now, listen, we have had inflation, we've had
head population growth, but it didn't been that much. And
(21:54):
so they're spending this money that this gusher of property
tax revenue they're spending and we been doging the local governments,
blazing Golia, our CFOs doing a fantastic job. You know,
he's exposing hundreds of millions of dollars in Miami Dade,
in Jacksonville and all these places that they're overspending.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So that's just the first thing.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
We've had a huge increase in the size and scope
of local governments because they're getting this.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Now.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
Another fact, if you take all the property tax revenue,
you have.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Residential and business.
Speaker 9 (22:28):
The residential the majority of it is non homesteaded Floridians,
so second homes, snowbirds, Airbnb, rentals.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You name it.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
That's the majority of residential property tax revenue. And then
you have the corporate or the business tax revenue. So
the total amount of residential Florida homestead property tax revenue
is between thirty and thirty three percent of all of this. Now,
mind you, the budgets have gone up way more than
(22:58):
thirty percent in the last few years.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So our view is is, well, what if.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
You own your home, uh, and then you stop paying
taxes in twenty years the government takes it from you.
So is that really home ownership? And I think Florida
we're in a situation and we're still working on the
particulars because the details do matter, and we're going to
have something very positive for all this. But we are
in a unique position where so much of our tax
(23:24):
base is comprised.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Of people that aren't even full time residents.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
People that own these big luxury you know houses are
they stay in for three three months? I'd rather them
take the tax that have You know a cop that's
got a house worth four hundred thousand dollars in Miami.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So we have the luxury of being able to.
Speaker 9 (23:43):
Relieve our citizens of more and more burden of taxation.
So so that's the nature of it. Now you've mentioned
there have been some stuff. All I can tell you
is like having watch debates when you all of a
sudden start seeing the same talking points sprouting up, just
like magically.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You know that that's coordinated.
Speaker 9 (23:59):
Right. That's so there's some people out there who don't
want to see this, and it's being orchestrated, but none
of the arguments really makes sense against it. And a
lot of these people, I think all of them don't
even live in Florida. So we have a specific way
we want to go for Floridians that will make a difference.
Another thing, Buck, just because there's a whole there. You
(24:20):
got to think out what are the incentives and how
this So, for example, I don't want to do a
situation where it's going to incentivize people to flood into
the state to claim a tax benefit from other states.
So it's going to be structured in a way that,
you know, what you elected Mendami, You're not going to
just be able to come down here and get and
get no home stead property tax like that. You know,
(24:41):
You're going to have to be somebody that's been here
for longer now any citizen is here now, you're one
hundred percent. So there's all these different things that we're
working on. We're working on it very smartly, and I've
got a lot of people that are working on it.
But the goal is to have something on the ballot
in November of twenty twenty six where voter will be
able to vote for it or not.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Well, I you know where I stand on this one,
and I've been talking about it for a while and
I think it's it's really important. And one thing that
I see is also a lot of people who would
perhaps even want to move within this state. They don't
want it, you know, if they want to get a
little more space or whatever it may be. They're worried
if they have to pay at the new rate on property.
You know, property tax creates all these often I think
(25:25):
problematic disincentives in the market, so that that's an issue
that people don't talk about enough. But the opposition to this,
you know, I've seen I know actually some of the
people publicly who are very like, no, you have to
someone has to pay the taxes. Is it just some
philosophical Oh, we can't give away more to the boomers
or their special interests who are aligned against this, because honestly,
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I think, and I'm sure you know this, other states
are looking to see how this goes here, and they
might want to do some restructuring too.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:52):
Well, first of all, I think it's both. I don't
think it's I don't think those are mutually exclusive. But
you know, there's this argument that somehow this is a
quote giveaway to boomers.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Not.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
First of all, Buck, I think you and I agree
if if I reduce your taxes, I'm not giving you
anything like like, that's your property, you own it, it's
not the governments. And so we go in this situation
where like, are you an AOC or an Obama view
where everything belongs to the government, and then government determines,
(26:24):
you know what you get to keep. No, my default
is you own your home, you get your income, You
get one hundred percent of your income in floridause, when
I have an income tax, any tax we cut, you're
just keeping more of what you already have had.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You earned your home, you purchased that home.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
So philosophically, when they're talking about giveaway with respect to
reducing taxes, to me, that's a leftist argument. Second, and
you brought it up indirectly elderly people. Now there are
some elderly that are getting strapped with the taxes too
because they're on fixed income. Their taxes don't lose as
much because they're homesteaded, but it's still compounds for many years.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And so they're being in a situation where it's tough.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
But if you're in a typical residential community in Florida
and you have somebody that's lived in a home for
thirty years, and then you have a young couple that
bought a house, say in twenty twenty one, that young
couple is going to have a much higher tax basis
for property tax. They are going to pay way more
in property tax than the elderly homeowner who's been grandfathered
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in on the homestead limitation for the last however many decades.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So if you're doing a homestead exemption.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
The young family, they gain way more with respect to
the total dollar amount that they're doing. So I think
what it does is that when you have people out
of state, they don't understand how Florida works. You know,
they somehow think that, like, you know, elderly person has
a half million dollar home, young couple has a half
million dollar home. Oh yeah, the elderly is getting as
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the same benefit. In reality, that is just not the
way it works because of people having owned their home. So,
you know, I think that it's it clearly is not
being done with people that are actually in Florida. I
want to do, but I do think some of it
is special interest. But I do think some of it
is ideological, and I think it's more of a left.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Bent Yeah again, I totally agree with that one, and
this audience already knows that, so that's not anything new.
I'm I'm a little surprised to see some of the
voices quite honestly, that are on the right who seem
to be have a problem with this. I think it's bizarre,
but anyway, I actually wanted it if I could. Now
you probably saw this governor tomorrow of Trump and Mamdani
(28:33):
are meeting, and I just think this is an opportunity
for you to just in the broadest terms. We have
a huge Florida audience, we have a huge New York audience,
and obviously people all across the country are listening. You
have more people in this state, right, twenty one million
and half the budget, Yeah, half the budget of New York.
(28:54):
How is that possible? Like, what is New York doing?
How is it spending twice as much money with less people?
Speaker 9 (29:02):
Well, not only that, buck, New York City has eight
million people. In New York City's budget is bigger than
the entire state of Florida's budget, and we have close
to twenty three and a half million people. And that's
before Mondami, you know, takes over the grocery stores and
does things that's going to cost even more. Buddy, It's
crazy what what happens? So I think a lot of
(29:23):
it is, you know, they direct money to special interest
They have different people who are kind of part of
their patronage network.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
In Florida, you will always.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
Spend money on you know, obviously, you know, we have
a federal state that that does medicate as all states do,
where we didn't expand it under Obamacare, but we do
have that portion.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Education, the state has a.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Big role in helping to fund school districts as well
as our school choice scholarship program, which has a half
a million students on it now. Infrastructure, I've been able
to accelerate projects all around the state of Florida, so
we're delivering some five or ten years ahead of schedule,
and that's meaningful for people in terms of their family
(30:06):
time and not to be in traffic so much. And
I know there's other We got a lot of work
in some other Miami's tougher because it's nice, harder to
build in different areas, but in other parts of the
state we've made really good progress I.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Think on that.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
And then we've done the biggest conservation program and environmental
restoration with Florida's Everglades, which is a huge success that
we've done. We did a Florida Wildlife Corridor too, because
we don't want the whole state to be a concrete jungle,
so we're spending money on things that really matter to people.
But that's really what we spend it on. I think
(30:39):
New York it's all about kind of whoever's in the
barnacles attached to the ship and all the different constituencies
in the Democratic Party they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
They'll say, oh, well, you know they pay better pension benefits,
you know, for their police officers and fire. Well, the
thing is a lot of those people move to Florida
and spend.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Those pensions Florida.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
So it's like you're doing that, and it's like benefiting
our economy down here because you're driving these people away.
But I really think, you know, in terms of there's
obviously a big different stream the president and Mandami. Mandami's
gonna do dumb things in terms of the economy. He's
going to try to raise taxes, He's obviously going to
be governed by a wok agenda, educational stuff for all that.
(31:21):
But the number one thing that's going to try to
people out of that city is that he hates the police.
He wanted to bolish the NMPD. He thinks you should
send social workers to inswer the nine one one calls,
So he goes down that road. It was bad under
the Blasio. It didn't get much better under the current mayor.
But I think he's going to make build the Blasio
(31:43):
looks like a right winger.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I mean, it's going to be really scary.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I think that's the place. Unfortunately, having worked with the
NYPD for a short while, Governor, I can tell you
that's the place for the mayor. He is kind of
the alpha end omega, like he can make the determinations
about what policing is like in the city. These other things,
the economic things probably can't. But Governor of Santists of Flora,
thank you sir for all you do. Please keep up
the phenomenal work and come back and talk to us
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again soon about what you're up to.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Okay, Roger that bye bye.
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Great chat
there with Gun or De Santis Coming up, we'll talk
to Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. We're gonna discuss FBI reform,
the Epstein file release for the for the right Epstein,
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(33:53):
And a lot of you we're not gonna have time
to get to all of them, but I appreciate it.
We remember, we read what we can on the air,
but we see all of your VIP emails and we
see all the talkbacks that you send in the transcript
of them. So your voice, in a sense is it's
being well being read. I was gonna say heard, but
(34:15):
we're seeing your content. So we just have a tight
turnaround on some of this stuff. But a lot of
you veterans are like, how dare they with this PSA?
And we got a huge veteran audience here, Klin and
I are both honestly, it's one of our things about
the show that we're super honored about day in and
day out of how many of you were veterans and
listening here. VIP email from Dave as a military veteran
(34:37):
of twenty three years. I am disgusted by the recent
PSA from the Democratic Congress people reminding the military they
can disobey unlawful orders. Duh. To suggest otherwise is insulting.
In fact, I consider their action highly seditious. We the
military are well aware of our duties under the Constitution,
are they?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Dave?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I totally totally agree that it's a weird and really subversive.
You said wrote seditious, That too, really subversive thing to do.
A It's very underhanded, and it's really meant to be.
(35:17):
It's an unfair attack, that's the part of it.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
There are things you can criticize Trump for the Republicans
for fine, lots of things, tons of things, you know,
and I may disagree with it, but it's fair game
to criticize unlawful orders that the military would have to say,
I'm going to disobey a direct order? Well, what what
is that exactly? Meaning? What is the unlawful order? VIP
(35:42):
email from Reid Also here we go. Having served the
United States Submarine Force for twenty years, I can assure
you one thing, no military member is going to listen
to these clowns and refuse to follow an order. Not
going to happen. No man or woman is going to
risk their career in time in the brig because they're
upset over one of these is. These Democrats are nuts.
(36:03):
I mean, yes, these Democrats are nuts. And so it's
a submarine force. And so then you're a submariner, right,
that's what I believe. I have learned the hard way here.
Not a sub mariner, a submariner. But the baseball team
is the mariners, still, right. It's tough to keep up
with all this stuff. There's a lot of nautical terminology
(36:24):
out there too that I got I gotta learn. But
stand fast. We will come back in with Senator Ron
Johnson here shortly. So ahoy e, mayti Senator. That's pirates,
that's not military. You know what I mean. Senator Ron
Johnson's coming up. We'll be with you in a second.
Everybody's second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now,
And this was a this was a little trip into
crazy town here. You had a bunch of Democrat lawmakers. Oh,
by the way, we've got Governor Ron DeSantis joining us
at the bottom of the hour. Florida. Great things happening
here in Florida, but also conversations that I think affect
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the rest of the country. If Florida can get rid
of property taxes on homesteaded properties meaning the place you live,
not businesses, not second homes, not investment properties or whatever.
But if Florida can get rid of the house you
live in, you get to live in, and the government
can't just take it from you because you stop giving
them money. Why can't every state do that? People go
all but where are they going to pay for the
(00:46):
The property tax is actually a pretty small percent overall,
the kind of property tax I'm talking about just on
home steaded properties, pretty small percentage of many of these counties,
at least in Florida. And there's a lot of waste,
a lot of money being spent on things that shouldn't
be spent on. So anyway we'll get into that. I
think that's a really important conversation because if you live
(01:09):
I think doesn't Texas. Some of you in Texas have
pretty high property tax depends maybe where you are in
the state. I don't know how it works there. I've
had friends complain about their property taxes in Texas, so
that I do know people in the Dallas area for sure. Yeah,
we could get away from this because I do believe
that there is something philosophically wrong with you. Work your
(01:33):
whole life. Let's say, to pay off your thirty year,
not your fifty year, your thirty year mortgage in a house.
You pay it all off, and then if you don't
keep sending a check to the government based on the
increasing taxation, it doesn't even stay the same, right, increasing
(01:53):
taxes that you pay over time on that house, they
can seize your home. How is that right?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
It just it just doesn't feel like the America we
should be in my friends. You know, I I'm I'm
I'm very much in favor of getting rid of this.
You know, you can people say, well, well be on a
sales tax, Okay, yeah, you can cut back on you.
They're not putting that they're not gonna make the sales
tax on you. Know, ground beef and milk, okay, and
that's not where the money is going to be made up.
(02:21):
So you can cut back on consumption of other things
if you have to, and still stay in your house. Anyway.
I I feel strongly about this one, and I wanted
to talk to the governor about that and some other
things as well, so we'll discuss that. But okay, back
to this. This is this is for all of us.
Can look at this one. This Democrat lawmaker PSA.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So you have.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Mark Kelly, Jason Crowe, they're both veterans. Elis Slotkin's like me,
She's just former CIA, former CIA analyst. We write great
memos and make amazing cappuccinos, like we're not former military.
So you know her in this in this ad is
kind of interesting to me, Like what are you doing there?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You don't you don't know anything about UCMJ and lawful orders.
But tell you something. Slotkin wants to be at the
big dance. She wants to be president probably vice president,
I think is what she realistically thinks she might be
able to achieve. But she definitely has ambitions beyond me.
She's already a senator. So this isn't. It's not crazy.
(03:30):
She's gonna run. She's gonna run. I think she's more
likely to run than Kama laclay. How about that. Play's
not here to make fun of my bad analysis on that.
So we'll get back to this next week. Here's this PSA,
though it's to make It's just a general public service
announcement they put out to members of the military telling
them the following play nineteen. This administration is hitting our
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uniform military.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
And intelligence community professionals.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Against American citizens.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Our laws are clear.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
You can refuse illegal orders. You can refuse illegal orders.
You must refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
No one has to carry out orders that violate the
law or our constitution.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, we know, what's the point of this. We'll get
into that. Here's my first objection to it, though, what's
the illegal order they're worried about? Or give us the
give us the the What are you talking about here?
Where are the orders illegal? The deployment of National Guard
(04:33):
because of a crisis in state. No, the president has
the authority to do that. So what exactly are they
talking about? If they want to make the case, and
I think they're they're they're getting close to this if
they want to make the case that this is about
the strikes against narco terrorists in the Caribbean and in
(04:54):
the Eastern Pacific, which means off the coast of Mexico,
basically West Pacific side of Mexico. If they want to
make that case, say that, why leave it's so vague.
It's a very strange thing to do. It's a very
subversive thing for lawmakers. Look, yeah, free speech, Fine, they
can say it, but I'm allowed to say it's subversive.
(05:17):
It's also like people these days. Yes, you can ask
any question you want, but people can also say, well,
that's a dumb question. There are such things as dumb questions.
I don't know, I don't know where we got this.
People say, well, I was in school. Yeah, they say
that to encourage people to ask questions in the classroom
or in the workplace or whatever. There are dumb questions. Otherwise,
what do you call it when somebody says, well, when
(05:38):
did you stop beating your wife to a politician, just
to try to malign them, knowing that they never beat
their wife. Right there. Of course, there are dumb questions.
But I won't get into that any more than I
already have. Uh, yeah, why not just say that this
is what they think is going on, that there's some
problem here. Well, I think we all know a big,
(05:59):
a big component of the Democrat resistance is this fantasy
that Donald Trump is a king, a tyrant, a Nazi,
a fascist, all this stuff. And so that's why they
want to create this narrative that there are elements of
the United States military that need to be reminded, need
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to be reminded that they can choose not to or
they're obligated not to follow in a legal order. Yeah,
they know. It's like putting out a PSA like don't
murder people. Murdering people is bad. I just want you
all to be cleared. Do not murder people. We got it,
(06:41):
we knew that before. Thanks now. I got to give
credit here Martha McCallum and Jason Congressman Crow of Colorado.
Quite an exchange here over what this is and what
this was really all about. Martha McCallum getting right. Didn't
do it. This is cut twenty listen in What needs.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
To happen is they need to come to Congress and
we needed to debate this and for him to say
there's no new war. That's exactly the problem, because only
Congress can declare a war. Only Congress, according to our constitution,
has the authority how it barks, Apparently you don't because
you're saying it's war exists, so it's not a problem.
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The United States Congress is the one that has.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
To make typically what your issue is.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And so for members prominent members of the United States
Congress to tell young men and women of the military
that they should not abide by illegal orders and to
leave it so vague and to talk about comments that
have been made in the past and what they might
lead to, I think could potentially be very confusing for
young men and women who have committed to service, which
(07:50):
you honorably did, and I commend you for the sacrifice
that you made.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Let me just show you this.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
This is Senator the market I'm going to respond to
that military service is tough.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It's really tough.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
We send our men and women into very difficult, very
sometimes untenable situations. I know that I've been in those situations.
That's why moral clarity, that's why reminding people about what
the obligations are, that's why abiding by the law and
providing guidance and training them in advance is important.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So what's the problem. I'm still waiting to hear from
this guy or any of the others what the problem is.
And also, you know, we're talking about a policy, we're
talking about politicians. Millions of people served in the United
States military during the War on Terror Era went to
a rock, went to Afghanistan, a few million Americans. So
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you know, he's not the only one, you know what
I mean. There's this thing of well I serve, so
you don't get to have an opinion on this. No, actually,
we all get to have an opinion on lawmakers telling
our military, hey, don't do the illegal stuff. What is that?
You know? These are left wing professors at some third
tier liberal arts college making fools of themselves. These are
(09:05):
senators and congressmen. What are they doing? What are they doing? So, yeah,
there you go. I just think it's one of these
moments in time where Democrat derangement. Oh here you go,
Senator Marshall Blackbird, she gets right in, she says, yeah,
these guys got TDS, and she's right, Play twenty one.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
They have stage four Trump derangement syndrome. And it is
inconceivable that you would have elected officials that are saying
to uniform members of the military who have taken an
oath to protect and defend, that they would defy the
orders that they have been given to execute their mission.
(09:49):
I find it inconceivable, but that is what they have
chosen to do. I find this just so disturbing that
they would say, defy the orders if you do not
like the orders.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Now they're saying illegal orders. But that leaves it like,
why are you saying this if you're gonna put out
a PSA at least established for us what the illegal
order is that you're concerned about. What is it that
you think you're not not allowed to do or you
should not be doing. And also, where were these PSAs
(10:26):
from Democrats? As I've said, during the Obama years when
he was the drone warrior, just blowing people up all
over areas of Pakistan, places in Yemen, Somalia, blowing people up.
We're not war in any of those countries, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia,
and yet a lot of stuff going on there with
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the presidential executive authority that's taking live and taking life.
Did Look the Democrats, the great advantage they have is
that there's no principle they feel they must adhere to
that is a problem politically. The second it's a problem politically,
the principle gets tossed out the window. So great, when
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they need the principles, they reach for them. Oh, we
can use this as a as a complaint against Trump
as a part of our hashtag resistance. No one uses
hashtags anymore. I got stop saying hashtag. But that's what
they used to call it. And the second that it's hey, guys,
our team is doing this, well, our team's allowed to
do it. We're in charge. So Democrats approach everything. It
certainly how they approach this. So, uh, that's where it is.
(11:32):
I thought this was very Oh Steven Miller, by the way,
is not you know what, I'll come back to ste
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Speaker 1 (13:04):
So they put out this PSA. These Democrats lawmakers like
Mark Kelly at last Lock and Jason Crowe some others.
Well they put out this PSA very weird. But you know,
no Kings, Trump's a fascists, all these things, you hear,
they have to come up with some way to deal
with this, that to come up with some explanation of
(13:27):
why Trump is so bad. And so they put out
this PSA because he's the commander in chief of the military,
and there's the Department of War. Now they have officially
changed the name. As you know, here is Stephen Miller.
Though on this situation of telling our national security apparatus
to make sure they don't do anything illegal, play twenty two.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
It is insurrection, plainly, directly, without question. And when you
have one of the lawmakers on that video being unable
to state it, as you say, length across examination, a
single so called.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Illegal order, it just proves the point.
Speaker 7 (14:02):
It's a general call for rebellion from the CIA and
the armed services of the United States by Democrat lawmakers
saying that you had not only the right, but the
duty and the obligation to defy orders of the commander
in chief, that those who carry weapons in America's name
should defy their chain of command and engage in open
(14:24):
acts of insurrection. These lawmakers should honestly resign in disgrace
and never return to public office.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Again, well, that's not going to happen. But I appreciate
Stevens's fire on this and the sense that it's there's
something aligned that feels like is crossed by by this,
And if we're gonna talk line crossing, we might as
well get into Pelosi here. Pelosi is not going to
(14:56):
be a problem in politics much longer, right, She's not
going to be running, and so now I guess she's
going to really say whatever's on her mind, although she's
probably been doing that all along, certainly when it comes
to Trump. But here she is saying the calling Trump
vile is no big deal, and she could have said
much worse stuff. This is twenty three.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
One of the things you said recently in an interview,
who said he was that President Trump was a vile creature,
the worst thing on the face of the earth. Do
you think he's different now than he was in his
first term in terms of his ability as his leadership. Finally,
I said that as a euphemism, I could have done
much worse. You could have done worse. You could have
(15:40):
said worse.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Ha ha ha ha ha, worst thing on the face
of the earth. Think about this. This woman was Speaker
of the House, he was third in line for the presidency.
She was running the Democrat caucus with an iron fist
for many, many, many years. And she's an imbecile, honestly,
very rich, very powerful, put an idiot, and she says
(16:05):
things like this, the worst thing on the face of
the ear. How can you have I ever said that
any Democrat is the worst person on the planet. No,
you know, you have to think about this in terms
of like children throwing tantrums. So they'll say, you know,
I'm I I'm never gonna I'm never gonna talk to
(16:27):
you again, or something. It's like, yeah, okay, like mommy
or Daddy said you can't have another cupcakes, You're never
gonna talk to us again. Sure, but these people have power,
so they're emotional outbursts and the fact that they can't
control themselves, and that they allow themselves to go to
this place where they can say the most extreme things,
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Governor Ron DeSantis joins us now the governor of my
great home state of Florida. Mister Governor, thank you for
making the time for us.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Cole, it's good to be with you. How are you?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I'm gonna mat You're just doing such a good job. Honestly,
my wife and I were the were the relatively new Floridians,
although she grew up here, but we moved back here
and uh, it's just nice to be in a state
where saying I always tell the audience, I'm like, good
andsane things are happening that I don't even know about.
I read about things that you guys are doing up
in Tallahassee and go, oh that makes sense. I like
that idea. You know. When I was in New York,
(19:28):
I was like, can we stop the crazy for five minutes?
Can we just stop the crazy? And bother of the
answer was generally no. Let's start with this possibility because
this is interesting. This has gotten some some pretty big
names in the commentary space. Have been having a little
back and forth online. You support getting rid of homesteaded
(19:48):
property tax in this state. Can you walk through why,
how and whether this is something you think we can
actually get done.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So one it's you look at what's pinching people.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
Property taxes is one of the biggest things that's pinching people,
particularly young families. Why because property valuations have gone up,
and so you'll have somebody that's had a house for
thirty years, they're homesteaded. You know, you have a young
family bought a house three years ago. Their valuation is
way higher, so they're paying a much higher amount in
property taxes. You have to sell a house, maybe you
(20:25):
get transferred from Miami to Tampa. You buy high tax
bases and you're there. So we do have homestead protection.
It does limit the increases, but even that it compounds
three percent a year. So taxes is something that we're
completely in control of. I can't control the price of housing.
I mean, we can do some things to have a
(20:46):
good market. You know, we have done big insurance reforms
and we now have seventeen new companies come in and
our biggest insured Peninsula, just did a rebate or just
did an eight percent reduction and so we're had in
no storms this year, so we think they'll be positive
things there. But ultimately that's a private market. We control
the tax. So here are some numbers. If you in
the state of Florida gets no property tax revenue, I
(21:08):
have a surplus, I have a maxed out rainy day fund.
I don't get property tax revenue.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I don't need it.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
So anyone that tells you all the student's going to
have to raise that, no, we we. In fact, I'm
going to give money to some of these local governments
that are more fiscally constrained to make up. So so
that's the first thing. It's all administered and decided by
your local authorities, and they get one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Of the revenue.
Speaker 9 (21:32):
If you go to COVID, you go right before COVID
twenty nineteen, local governments in Florida brought into total of
thirty two billion dollars in property taxes. You know how
much they're bringing in today, six years later, fifty six
billion dollars. Now, listen, we have had inflation, we've had
head population growth, but it didn't been that much. And
(21:54):
so they're spending this money that this gusher of property
tax revenue they're spending and we been doging the local governments,
blazing Golia, our CFOs doing a fantastic job. You know,
he's exposing hundreds of millions of dollars in Miami Dade,
in Jacksonville and all these places that they're overspending.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So that's just the first thing.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
We've had a huge increase in the size and scope
of local governments because they're getting this.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Now.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
Another fact, if you take all the property tax revenue,
you have.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Residential and business.
Speaker 9 (22:28):
The residential the majority of it is non homesteaded Floridians,
so second homes, snowbirds, Airbnb, rentals.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You name it.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
That's the majority of residential property tax revenue. And then
you have the corporate or the business tax revenue. So
the total amount of residential Florida homestead property tax revenue
is between thirty and thirty three percent of all of this. Now,
mind you, the budgets have gone up way more than
(22:58):
thirty percent in the last few years.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So our view is is, well, what if.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
You own your home, uh, and then you stop paying
taxes in twenty years the government takes it from you.
So is that really home ownership? And I think Florida
we're in a situation and we're still working on the
particulars because the details do matter, and we're going to
have something very positive for all this. But we are
in a unique position where so much of our tax
(23:24):
base is comprised.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Of people that aren't even full time residents.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
People that own these big luxury you know houses are
they stay in for three three months? I'd rather them
take the tax that have You know a cop that's
got a house worth four hundred thousand dollars in Miami.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So we have the luxury of being able to.
Speaker 9 (23:43):
Relieve our citizens of more and more burden of taxation.
So so that's the nature of it. Now you've mentioned
there have been some stuff. All I can tell you
is like having watch debates when you all of a
sudden start seeing the same talking points sprouting up, just
like magically.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You know that that's coordinated.
Speaker 9 (23:59):
Right. That's so there's some people out there who don't
want to see this, and it's being orchestrated, but none
of the arguments really makes sense against it. And a
lot of these people, I think all of them don't
even live in Florida. So we have a specific way
we want to go for Floridians that will make a difference.
Another thing, Buck, just because there's a whole there. You
(24:20):
got to think out what are the incentives and how
this So, for example, I don't want to do a
situation where it's going to incentivize people to flood into
the state to claim a tax benefit from other states.
So it's going to be structured in a way that,
you know, what you elected Mendami, You're not going to
just be able to come down here and get and
get no home stead property tax like that. You know,
(24:41):
You're going to have to be somebody that's been here
for longer now any citizen is here now, you're one
hundred percent. So there's all these different things that we're
working on. We're working on it very smartly, and I've
got a lot of people that are working on it.
But the goal is to have something on the ballot
in November of twenty twenty six where voter will be
able to vote for it or not.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Well, I you know where I stand on this one,
and I've been talking about it for a while and
I think it's it's really important. And one thing that
I see is also a lot of people who would
perhaps even want to move within this state. They don't
want it, you know, if they want to get a
little more space or whatever it may be. They're worried
if they have to pay at the new rate on property.
You know, property tax creates all these often I think
(25:25):
problematic disincentives in the market, so that that's an issue
that people don't talk about enough. But the opposition to this,
you know, I've seen I know actually some of the
people publicly who are very like, no, you have to
someone has to pay the taxes. Is it just some
philosophical Oh, we can't give away more to the boomers
or their special interests who are aligned against this, because honestly,
(25:46):
I think, and I'm sure you know this, other states
are looking to see how this goes here, and they
might want to do some restructuring too.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:52):
Well, first of all, I think it's both. I don't
think it's I don't think those are mutually exclusive. But
you know, there's this argument that somehow this is a
quote giveaway to boomers.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Not.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
First of all, Buck, I think you and I agree
if if I reduce your taxes, I'm not giving you
anything like like, that's your property, you own it, it's
not the governments. And so we go in this situation
where like, are you an AOC or an Obama view
where everything belongs to the government, and then government determines,
(26:24):
you know what you get to keep. No, my default
is you own your home, you get your income, You
get one hundred percent of your income in floridause, when
I have an income tax, any tax we cut, you're
just keeping more of what you already have had.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You earned your home, you purchased that home.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
So philosophically, when they're talking about giveaway with respect to
reducing taxes, to me, that's a leftist argument. Second, and
you brought it up indirectly elderly people. Now there are
some elderly that are getting strapped with the taxes too
because they're on fixed income. Their taxes don't lose as
much because they're homesteaded, but it's still compounds for many years.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And so they're being in a situation where it's tough.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
But if you're in a typical residential community in Florida
and you have somebody that's lived in a home for
thirty years, and then you have a young couple that
bought a house, say in twenty twenty one, that young
couple is going to have a much higher tax basis
for property tax. They are going to pay way more
in property tax than the elderly homeowner who's been grandfathered
(27:25):
in on the homestead limitation for the last however many decades.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So if you're doing a homestead exemption.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
The young family, they gain way more with respect to
the total dollar amount that they're doing. So I think
what it does is that when you have people out
of state, they don't understand how Florida works. You know,
they somehow think that, like, you know, elderly person has
a half million dollar home, young couple has a half
million dollar home. Oh yeah, the elderly is getting as
(27:53):
the same benefit. In reality, that is just not the
way it works because of people having owned their home. So,
you know, I think that it's it clearly is not
being done with people that are actually in Florida. I
want to do, but I do think some of it
is special interest. But I do think some of it
is ideological, and I think it's more of a left.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Bent Yeah again, I totally agree with that one, and
this audience already knows that, so that's not anything new.
I'm I'm a little surprised to see some of the
voices quite honestly, that are on the right who seem
to be have a problem with this. I think it's bizarre,
but anyway, I actually wanted it if I could. Now
you probably saw this governor tomorrow of Trump and Mamdani
(28:33):
are meeting, and I just think this is an opportunity
for you to just in the broadest terms. We have
a huge Florida audience, we have a huge New York audience,
and obviously people all across the country are listening. You
have more people in this state, right, twenty one million
and half the budget, Yeah, half the budget of New York.
(28:54):
How is that possible? Like, what is New York doing?
How is it spending twice as much money with less people?
Speaker 9 (29:02):
Well, not only that, buck, New York City has eight
million people. In New York City's budget is bigger than
the entire state of Florida's budget, and we have close
to twenty three and a half million people. And that's
before Mondami, you know, takes over the grocery stores and
does things that's going to cost even more. Buddy, It's
crazy what what happens? So I think a lot of
(29:23):
it is, you know, they direct money to special interest
They have different people who are kind of part of
their patronage network.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
In Florida, you will always.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
Spend money on you know, obviously, you know, we have
a federal state that that does medicate as all states do,
where we didn't expand it under Obamacare, but we do
have that portion.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Education, the state has a.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Big role in helping to fund school districts as well
as our school choice scholarship program, which has a half
a million students on it now. Infrastructure, I've been able
to accelerate projects all around the state of Florida, so
we're delivering some five or ten years ahead of schedule,
and that's meaningful for people in terms of their family
(30:06):
time and not to be in traffic so much. And
I know there's other We got a lot of work
in some other Miami's tougher because it's nice, harder to
build in different areas, but in other parts of the
state we've made really good progress I.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Think on that.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
And then we've done the biggest conservation program and environmental
restoration with Florida's Everglades, which is a huge success that
we've done. We did a Florida Wildlife Corridor too, because
we don't want the whole state to be a concrete jungle,
so we're spending money on things that really matter to people.
But that's really what we spend it on. I think
(30:39):
New York it's all about kind of whoever's in the
barnacles attached to the ship and all the different constituencies
in the Democratic Party they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
They'll say, oh, well, you know they pay better pension benefits,
you know, for their police officers and fire. Well, the
thing is a lot of those people move to Florida
and spend.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Those pensions Florida.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
So it's like you're doing that, and it's like benefiting
our economy down here because you're driving these people away.
But I really think, you know, in terms of there's
obviously a big different stream the president and Mandami. Mandami's
gonna do dumb things in terms of the economy. He's
going to try to raise taxes, He's obviously going to
be governed by a wok agenda, educational stuff for all that.
(31:21):
But the number one thing that's going to try to
people out of that city is that he hates the police.
He wanted to bolish the NMPD. He thinks you should
send social workers to inswer the nine one one calls,
So he goes down that road. It was bad under
the Blasio. It didn't get much better under the current mayor.
But I think he's going to make build the Blasio
(31:43):
looks like a right winger.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I mean, it's going to be really scary.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I think that's the place. Unfortunately, having worked with the
NYPD for a short while, Governor, I can tell you
that's the place for the mayor. He is kind of
the alpha end omega, like he can make the determinations
about what policing is like in the city. These other things,
the economic things probably can't. But Governor of Santists of Flora,
thank you sir for all you do. Please keep up
the phenomenal work and come back and talk to us
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again soon about what you're up to.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Okay, Roger that bye bye.
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In fact, I consider their action highly seditious. We the
military are well aware of our duties under the Constitution,
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Speaker 2 (34:56):
Dave?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I totally totally agree that it's a weird and really subversive.
You said wrote seditious, That too, really subversive thing to do.
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There are things you can criticize Trump for the Republicans
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that's what I believe. I have learned the hard way here.
Not a sub mariner, a submariner. But the baseball team
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