November 21, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers a dynamic mix of national security analysis, cultural commentary, and political insights. The hour kicks off with former CIA Officer Mike Baker discussing the escalating U.S. military presence in the Caribbean under Operation Southern Spear, the largest naval buildup since the Cuban Missile Crisis. Buck and Baker break down the strategic objectives behind recent strikes on narco-trafficking boats and explore whether this pressure campaign could lead to the collapse of Nicolás Maduro’s regime in Venezuela. They examine the geopolitical ripple effects, including potential consequences for Cuba, Russian and Chinese interests, and Iran’s involvement, while debating the risks and realities of regime change versus internal transition.
The conversation pivots to the war on drugs, with Buck revealing early-stage planning for U.S. special operations missions inside Mexico targeting drug cartels. He argues that Americans overwhelmingly support aggressive measures to combat fentanyl trafficking, citing the devastating societal impact of the opioid crisis. This segment underscores the growing likelihood of paramilitary operations and intelligence-driven missions aimed at dismantling cartel networks.
Later, Buck welcomes Tudor Dixon, host of the Tudor Dixon Podcast, for a candid discussion on Michelle Obama’s controversial book tour and its “Shame America” tone. Dixon critiques Obama’s complaints about life as First Lady despite her immense wealth and influence, questioning whether her media blitz signals future political ambitions. The conversation then shifts to Gretchen Whitmer’s presidential aspirations, with Dixon revealing that Whitmer has raised millions and repurposed her campaign team for a potential 2028 run. Dixon predicts Whitmer will struggle in a national primary against polished contenders like Gavin Newsom, citing her poor off-the-cuff skills and lack of substantive achievements.
The hour closes with cultural analysis on shifting social norms, including a Pew Research study showing declining interest in marriage among young women. Dixon attributes this trend to pop culture messaging that glorifies independence, while Buck highlights backlash against Taylor Swift’s “trad wife” moment, where fans accused her of racism for expressing a desire for children resembling her partner. Buck argues that promoting family formation should not be politicized and warns of the cultural consequences of stigmatizing traditional values.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm Klay Travis and I'm Buck Sexton. You know
what we're thankful for this year, all of you. That's right,
we have the best radio audience in the country, hands down.
Sending a big, warm and happy Thanksgiving from the Clay
and Buck Show. I never really third an hour of
the Clay and Buck Show on this lovely Friday. Thank
(00:22):
you for being with us. And we're joined by our
friend Mike Baker. He is my Cia brother from another mother.
He is also the host of the PDB podcast Presidential
Daily Brief Podcast, which is doing huge numbers. Doing great
stuff there, mister Baker. Always a pleasure to have you here.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Thanks, Matt, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
What's gonna happen in Venezuela? What is telling me? You
want to skip to the end of the movie, Like,
what's going on here? We're blowing up these boats in
the Caribbean and the narco boats. Venezuela is a narco state,
which I think needs to be more part of the conversation.
The leadership there makes a lot of money off of
the export of fentanyl out of their country and into
our country. Also cocaine, heroin, other stuff. Yeah, what are
(01:09):
we doing with these strikes, you think, and where's this going?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, it's it is. It is fascinating, like it's a
little bit obviously now no point intended, uncharted waters and
what are we up to above eighty individuals killed so
far as these strikes, I think. But setting aside, you know,
the legalities of all of this, and just looking at
(01:36):
it from an operational perspective, you know, it comes down to, okay, well,
you know, if if you believe that the intelligence is
credible and that you know the targeting is uh is
well thought through, do I have a problem with with
going after narco traffickers? No, I don't. We spent decades, right,
(01:57):
I was involved in in the drug wars while was
with the agency, spent a lot of time in counting
narcotics operations in parts of the world, and they always
called it a war on drugs, and it never really
was right in the sense that we never really had
a chance to win it. You could destroy the facility,
(02:18):
you know, a cooking house, a warehouse somewhere, interdict a
large shipment, and it never really impacted anything. Didn't affect
the street price, didn't affect how much gear was stored
in warehouses around the world, in part because yeah, you've
got the demand issue, and we've never been good at
dealing with the demand side of things. So now we're
(02:39):
calling it a war on drugs, and it is actually
looking like a.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
War on drugs. The other part of this question is
what are we doing with Venezuela? And I have to
assume that the massive military build up in the Caribbean,
which is outsized for a counter narcotics effort or a
war on drugs, is all about putting pressure on Maduro
(03:05):
and more importantly, probably putting pressure on those around him
to convince someone or a group of individuals there, or
advisors or military senior officers, whomever, that it's time for
Maduro to go. So I have to assume that that
is if we're operating on two tracks here.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I don't know if you saw this part of it, Mike,
but to me, I was concerned, Okay, do we want
to be even if the side effect of let's say,
US operations against the cartels is the toppling of them
of the Duro regime. People worry about that regime change situation.
We've seen that go badly elsewhere. But then I saw
(03:50):
Maduro singing the John Lennon song Imagine, and I was like,
this guy's got to go because that's the worst song
in the world.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Exactly. Not only that, it was the worst rendition of
the worst song ever. So yeah, I think, look, it
is well, maybe I'll be proven wrong on this. It
is highly unlikely that we're going into Venezuela militarily to
(04:22):
in a direct conflict with the Venezuelan government and military
to oust Maduro. Right, So I think the hope for
scenario again is this pressure campaign. He probably won't leave
on his own volition, but others may convince him that
that's the only thing he can do. So you look
(04:45):
at that and you say, Okay, fine, you're right. Regime
change is a very ugly thing. But this is not
This is not Libya, it's not Iraq in the sense
that I'm not calling for regime change. What I'm saying
is apples to apples, Right, So you've got a legitimate
opposition government that's sitting out there Maduro, and you know, everybody,
(05:09):
even people on the left, we are going to have
to look at this and go, yeah, the evidence shows
that Maduro stole that election outright, So you do have
an opposition in waiting now, whether you know, there's a
sense of survivability on the part of the senior military
there in Venezuela, and they say, okay, now it's time
to work with the opposition because we want to save
(05:30):
our own asses. I don't think a transition necessarily would be,
you know, sort of this ugly scene that we've seen
elsewhere played out sometimes when you get regime change and
then it just all heads south.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So we've got this Operation Southern Spear is the name
of it, a build up of American naval forces in
the Caribbean, the largest since the Cuban Missile Crisis and
the blockade of Cuba in nineteen sixty two. The gerald
Ford aircraft carrier is now out in the Caribbean, which
I think is our biggest carrier. It is. It is
fifteen thousand troops in the region. You know, Marco Rubio
(06:08):
has a well, it's gonna say he has a large role.
He has many large roles. Actually in this administration he
has more than one role. But he is a I
think a dedicated anti communist in the best sense, and
that includes the regime in Cuba. If we do get
a major let's say the major regime instead toppling makes
it sound like we did it. What if it implodes,
(06:30):
What if it crumbles and is no longer in a
position or no longer willing to subsidize the Cuban government
with a whole lot of oil, without which Cuba is
basically screwed. Feels like there's a chance for a two
for one here, Mike.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Look at that. It's a Black Friday sale. Yeah, you
know it could happen. And you're absolutely right to point
out this is not happening in a bubble, meaning it's
not just Venezuela and US, you know, stare each other down,
Russia and China certainly cue, but they've all got a
stake in this, right, and and even Iran, right Madurella
(07:08):
has been you know, been turning to Iran even for
you know, hope, for support, trying to say, look at
this with the imperialist dogs are doing to you. Uh
so there are other people that play here. When when
folks talk about, you know, the US is doing this
simply for Venezuela's resources, Okay, that's that old trope that
(07:29):
we always get. Right. Oh, they're they're moving into a
rock because of the oil they're they're doing that. Oh god,
you know you hear that one more time. I mean,
I've had conversations recently where, you know, some a couple
of people, very intelligent people, but they were completely convinced
that this you know, Cartel of the Suns that keeps
getting referred to as the kind of the pseudo organization
(07:52):
that exists as an arco trafficking network, you know, sponsored
by the state in Venezuela, that was a product of
creation for the CIA.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I had to listen to a conversation about that, and
again from smart people. But you get these these things
to get rolled out and you look and you think, okay,
is there even any reason to respond to that, right,
because you just give it credibility.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So but I do well, I always I always have
to point out to people, Mike that you know, people
who who get into this lane, they can either either
the CIA is a bunch of Machiavellian geniuses that can
do anything anywhere in the world whenever they want, or
they're completely useless and incompetent. They can't have both though,
right like you, they can't be super geniuses who could
(08:34):
do anything anywhere and they're totally worthless. Because I've heard
that from people. I'm like, I think those things go
in contradiction.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, no, they do, they do, and and but usually
what I hear is that, yeah, somehow the CIA is
responsible for everything, and and you know, but it's it's
always and then you know, typically followed backfilled by the
idea that you know, the US should not ever do
anything ever, you know, overseas, we have no right to
do anything anywhere, and you know, somehow then we would
just have this peaceful community of nations. And you know, anyhow,
(09:03):
I don't want to disappear down that that rabbit hole,
but I guess I was about to. But yeah, the
problem with with Venezuela is that you do have other
players there. The Russians have a big stake and in
this they don't want to see this turn. You know,
they certainly would at this time when they're losing influence
in a variety of ways. You know, the idea that
(09:23):
they would lose an important foothold in our backyard doesn't
sit well with putin. China's then playing out there purely
for their own self interest in terms of getting their
hands on the resources like we get accused of but
nobody ever mentions that about the Chinese regime. So there's
a lot at play here. I just don't think that
(09:45):
what we're looking at, and again maybe I'll be proven wrong,
but I don't believe the White House strategy it's going
to be to put the military into Venezuela for a
direct conflict with the government in the military wee thing.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I'm want to do a little bit of a Pivoty
or Mike you if for anyone's seeing you on Fox
or your podcast, the PDB podcast, which is fantastic and
people should go check it out. You look like what
I think a lot of people think a secret agent
man looks like. And you've got the square jaw, all American.
You know you're you're a manly man. And the American
(10:18):
young men, or rather American young men, are increasingly wanting people,
or they want the society around them to stop making
them feel like being a man is a bad thing.
The Democrats are unable to reach these young men because
of the way they've talked about toxic masculinity and all
(10:39):
this stuff. Pete Hegseat has gone into the Pentagon and
has really just refocused on war fighting and also, let's
be honest, the kind of on a bashed masculinity in
the way we fight wars. Is there a way to
make the CIA badass or at least less, you know,
less sort of smarmy buck prat that it is right now.
(11:01):
I'm wondering how you feel about that, because we could
use some help.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, no, you know, well, I mean, look, you know
this as well, you know better than I do that
the Agency is a is a real mix, right, You've
got all sorts of folks, you know, banging around the
corridors there and in our places overseas, and you know, look,
it takes all types. But I agree one hundred percent
(11:26):
with the idea that we need to we need to
be focused with a risk. The Agency is a risk
taking organization, so damn we should act like one. And
we we don't need But the Directorate of the Administration plays
an important role. It's a very important directorate, right. I
know a lot of good people there. They keep the
trains running on time, they do a lot of things.
(11:47):
But you know, we kind of disappeared down the same
rabbit hole that a lot of bureaucracies did over the
past handful of years. Imagining somehow that we we were
like a corporate culture, and that's that's not helpful to
to a risk taking organization. So yeah, I'm trying to
(12:09):
be a little bit delicate. I have I you know,
I have a lot of good friends over there, and
I know Summer on kind of both sides of this issue,
and I get it. But I would like to see
a return to a real risk taking mindset. You know
what it's like, right, I mean we were there.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, it's it's critical for morale. I mean, you know,
if you can make if you can make all this money,
you know, if you can come out of school and
make you know, two hundred and three hundred grand at Google,
Like why why go work at at Langley if you're
going to be like lectured and hounded over DEI nonsense
and like trends identification day all the time. I mean
that's what I hear from the people over there.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah. Yeah, you got to get you got to move
that out right and you and again I keep going
back to the same thing. Look, we we saw cycles,
right if you if if you get your ass kicked
up on Capitol Hill because an operation or a direction
that you're going in goes bad, then suddenly you know,
that risk versus game calculation recalibrates, and then you get
(13:10):
a period of time where management doesn't want to put
their head over the wall because they don't want to
get their ass kicked again up on Capitol Hill, and
so you don't take the risks right and then eventually
that recalibrates because the world requires it. You know, some
issue somewhere means you've got to get back on tracks.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Well, basically, Mike, we're gonna need you to be the
Pete Heggsath of the CIA. But that's a whole other
We'll have you back for that conversation. But you got
to go in there and crack some skulls and kick
some masses and make make spies great again. But Mike Baker,
everybody go.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Check to that effect, write a note to that effect,
send it to the White House, and I'd be happy
to pack my role.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'll let them know. I'll let them know, Mike Baker,
Everybody go check out the PDV podcast. Mike, Mike, thank
you so much.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Of course, man, Take care.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Really good conversation there with Mike Baker. He was a
great guy I've known Mike a long time and was
really he was very kind. He met with me when
I was leaving the CIA finally, and I basically going
to him, I'm like, so we allowed to have ideas
(15:15):
in public? Are we allowed to do that? And Mike
was like, yeah, just don't see anything classified. Don't be dumb,
and I said, all right. So that was very helpful
going forward. And I have to tell you the one
thing that when we look at the possibility of toppling
the government of Venezuela, there's some considerable upside if this
(15:35):
were to happen. There is a leadership that could take
over that's already in place Venezuelan. This isn't like we're
bringing somebody you know, out of retirement who lives in
the suburbs of DC to take over in Venezuela, as
you know, El Presidente or something. And it would put
tremendous pressure on Cuba as well. But when we start
(15:56):
to talk about taking on the cartels and a more
military approach to things, I wonder what it would be
like if we really went after the drug cartels in Mexico.
And I know some of you want that this has
been certainly discussed the Trump administration as of let me
(16:17):
see here, this was just a couple of weeks ago.
They've begun detailed planning for a new mission to send
American troops and intelligence officers into Mexico to target drug cartels.
This is according to NBC News. Early stages of training
for the potential mission, which would include ground operations inside Mexico,
(16:39):
have begun. Deployment to Mexico is not imminent, but they're
basically saying that this would be a JASOCK Joint Special
Operations Command mission, so it would be under the US
Intelligence Community AEGIS Title fifty status. So this is like
getting into the CIA Black Eye kind of stuff and
(17:01):
going after the car tells this is very much like
I always talk about Tom Clancy's clear in Present Danger.
But this is taking the fight to the cartels, and
I think they're going to do this. I don't know
how extensive it will be, and I don't know how
successful it immediately will be, but I do think that
they are going to take a certainly a paramilitary approach
(17:24):
to the drug cartels. And I think that the American
people are broadly supportive of efforts to do whatever is
necessary to stop the mass importation of fentanyl into this country.
We often talk about all the deaths from fentanyl, which
is heartbreaking and horrific. There's also just the societal destruction
from it. For every person who dies of a fent
(17:45):
fentanyl overdose, there are people who are left behind in
that family, and there are devastated communities, and it's just
so much loss. So but this anti narco war, the
war on drugs, may take us to a fight inside
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I'm ready about here. On our third hour of this
Friday on the Clay and Buck Show, we have Tutor
Dixon in the mix. The Tutor Dixon podcast on the
Clay and Buck Network is fantastic and so many of
you are listening and it's growing every month, and thank
you for that, Tutor. Let's start with this. What has
the Michelle Obama book tour been all about? Media tour
(19:41):
that she's been doing? Because the only sound bites that
I or you know, video clips that I've seen of
this truly make her seem less likable to a lot
of people. What's what is going on here?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I know she's on this tour where she is really
it's just like a shame America tour, or it feels
very much like a Shame America tour because she talks
about how the being the First Lady is not like
this great privilege and she just kind of rolls her
eyes when she's asked about being First Lady and being
an example for women, and she trashes white people. She
(20:16):
says that white people have been forcing her to straighten
her hair, which I thought, I don't remember anybody talking
about her hair. I guess once she went on vacation
as she had her hair braided and people said something
about her hair. And I think this is not unique
to the First Lady. Anybody who is in the public
(20:36):
eye gets constant criticism. She is not that special, but
she wants us to feel guilty for everything she has
had to suffer in the public eye.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Well for somebody who is as generally certainly by the
left wring media celebrated and really the biggest corporate entities
and everything else, I mean, Michelle Obama is I don't know.
She's probably worked with Baraka on million dollars plus. I mean,
they've done incredibly well financially, and the Obama dynasty certainly
(21:07):
lives on in the media, and yet she seems unhappy
with America, with the country that was made her first lady.
She lived in the White House for eight years. She's
incredibly rich. She hangs out with like Richard Branson and
the you know, the biggest names and well just the
biggest names in the world. And yet she has a
lot of complaints.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
She's incredibly rich. She can walk in anywhere, she is respected.
Like you said, she she can spend time with the
biggest Hollywood celebrities. It's not even like a Republican. You know, Republicans,
you're still shunned by half of the country. Is a Democrat,
You're welcomed everywhere. But she is so mad about something.
(21:50):
And I wish somebody in these interviews when she has,
you know, the other rich woman sitting across from her
complaining about how bad life is for women. I wish
one of them would say to her, was the was
the jew the juice worth the squeeze? You know, like,
was it worth it? Being first lady? You obviously hated it,
(22:11):
It was so terrible for you. Was it worth it?
Is your life now worth it? Because I'd love to
hear what she has to say. You know, she's had
that podcast where she has negatively talked about Barak, which
would seemingly be humiliating me if you were him. She
has been disparaging to people that had been around them
in the White House. But there's this weird twist now
(22:34):
to what she's doing because she's complaining about having to
dress up and having to have her hair and makeup done,
and she talks about that in this tour that she's on.
But she's very physically fit. She she looks great, she
does her hair is done, and she seems to be
continuing to get her hair done, and she has a
(22:55):
very she always is dressed very nicely, and like I said,
she looks like she's fresh and ready to do something next.
And the question is like, what is her plan? And
I had Stacey Washington on the podcast. You've got to
listen to it because she had a totally different take
than what I would have thought when I was When
I was talking to her, She's like, I've never thought
(23:18):
Michelle Obama was going to come back and do something
major in the public eye, but there's been some gleamings
of like what the future Michelle Obama could be and
it's kind of terrifying. So you have to listen to
what she says, because she makes a good point and
she sees things from a perspective that I think I
wouldn't have seen it. So I would say everyone should
(23:38):
listen to the Tutor Dixon podcasts and check out what
she had to say.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, well, I was. I don't want to get ahead
of or get in the way of the podcast listening,
but I'm certainly curious if you think that Michelle Obama
is actually she said that she's not gonna run, and
I've said she's never gonna run, but I'll leave it
out there. I'll let people go listen to the podcast.
But speaking of people running, you faced off against Gretchen
Whitmer in the governor's race for Michigan. Very sad, very
(24:06):
sad that the people of Michigan were not able to
get that done the right way, and Gretchen Whitmer still
sits in office. So it's a bummer for Michigan and
for the rest of us too. What can you tell
us so you understand the Whitmer machine quite well? Is
she running for president for sure in the next cycle,
which would start in basically a year.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
So it's really interesting that you ask because just this week,
the Detroit News came out with an article that is
pointing out that she has an entity that raised seven
I think seven million dollars somewhere around seven million dollars,
and that almost her entire campaign staff from her gubernatorial
(24:46):
run has moved over to this entity. And the question
they're posing is is this the entity that is going
to run the presidential campaign. I have no doubt in
my mind. I have never doubted for a second that
Gretchen Whitmer is planning to run for president. It's not
even like a second stop for me. It's so obvious.
She has never held a single political position that she
(25:09):
is not looking for the next political position that she
will be in. And she's done with Michigan. She's been
done with Michigan since before she ran for office the
second time, and since she has since she won in
twenty two she has spent so much time overseas, which
is not to do anything good for Michigan. She uses
(25:30):
the taxpayer money to go over there and say that
she's trying to bring business here because the state of
Michigan is dying. We have no business. Our education system
is forty fourth in the nation, we have the highest
energy cost she's doing. She's brought no business from all
these trips. I mean she's gone to Japan, she's gone
to Spain, she's gone to Germany. She's gone to multiple
(25:53):
different countries just in the last few years. And I
promise you it is simply to say I've got foreign
policy chops. I'm going to be able to be the
leader of the free world because I've already been all
over Europe and oliver Asia and I'm ready to do this.
She is using her position as governor to pretend she
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can be president. She hasn't done anything for the state
of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Do you think, put aside what I think you and
I would agree without even discussing, it would be the
extremely unfortunate situation of Gretchen Whitmer actually being president. But
do you think that she will be a formidable primary
candidate among the field of Democrats should she run?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I mean it's one thing to run. Some people run
because they want more speaking fees and book sales or whatever. Right,
do you think that she will, if she enters that field,
be a top three contender pretty reliably.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I think she is going to find out that once
she's in a real primary because she's never really faced
anyone in the state of Michigan that was serious, and
once she's in a real primary against a Gavin Newso
who actually he I mean, I think the guy is
a total snake, but he's a very good politician and
slick talker. Gretchen Whitmer is not. She is not very
(27:09):
good off the cuff conversation. She struggles and interviews. She's
very similar to Kamala in that sense. She's not good
on her feet and she doesn't really have anything to
back up what she's saying because she hasn't accomplished anything.
So I think she's going to run. I don't think
she wins. I don't think that she gets very far
in the primary. I think she's kind of like a
(27:31):
one percent support Kamala Harris because she just doesn't have
that it factor when it comes to going to that level.
She could get through Michigan, she's not going to get
through the She's not going to fool the country.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
That's really interesting because I know people talk about her
as a I think I hear about her a lot
more really as a likely VP candidate once again than
actually a presidential nominee for the Democrats. But we'll see
how that plays out. And you've faced off against hers,
you certainly know what she brings to the table. I
want to switch gears for a second. Earlier in the week,
(28:08):
I talked on the show about the change in attitudes
about young women twelfth graders, right, so basically high school graduates.
They're about you know, they're about to go out into
the world, maybe they're going to college, maybe they're going
to do something else. And sixty percent of them, the
latest pupil of women less than men, by the way,
less than young men, want to get married. You're a
(28:30):
woman that we know, what do you think about what's
going on here with young women? Like, well, I know
you've got four kids, but how is it that young
women are getting this kind of messaging?
Speaker 4 (28:40):
You know, I really think that this is happening. I
was actually just talking to someone about this. If you
watch these the pop culture shows, if you're watching what
the messages in high school right now, the message is like,
you don't need anyone, you can do this all on
your own. There is this stastic life out there for
(29:01):
you alone. But I do think that that's there's a
culture shift where young men are not happy with the
idea of being alone. I think that there's the faith factor.
I think there's been a bit of a revival in
Christianity and there is a bit of a push for
that traditional lifestyle. So I think that there is a
(29:24):
real chance that we see a baby boom in this country,
that that's all going to switch. But I don't know
that it happens overnight. I think that we are going
to we have to be steadily holding on. I mean,
I see these battles online right now over different faiths
right and especially in Michigan. I see the battle over
(29:46):
faith all the time, and I think instead of battling
over which faith is the best, focus on your own
and try to I mean, aren't we called to recruit
people to our own faith? And if if the church
reached out more, I think the that would be a
huge support to young women. And we're lacking there. But
I see that changing.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I certainly hope. So, Tutor Dixon, everybody go check out
the Tutor Dix Dickson podcasts on the Clay Endbuck Network.
Listen to it this weekend. Tutor, thank you so much,
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Speaker 5 (31:08):
More truth and wisdom coming up from Clay, Travis and
Buck Sexton to close.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Us out here for the weekend, my friends, before we
send you off, and I hope you have a great one.
I mean, we got Thanksgiving coming up so soon, I
can't believe it. I'll be in New York for part
of next week, so I'll be able to see my
family that's based in NYC. And we will certainly have
our arguments and discussions here on the show about various
Thanksgiving paraphernalia, including I will start a fight with Clay
(31:38):
over this. This stuff that you guys do. It's what's
ali what's it called again? Where they can't make a
pie but then they smash it all up and they cobbler. Yeah,
it's just a pie that someone sat on that you
don't want to admit someone sat on, so you call
it cobbler. I'm sorry. I don't make the rules. This
is just the way that it is. Bruce Rally, what
(31:59):
is the best thing to eat at Thanksgiving? What is
your number one? Your top thing?
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Really?
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Good stuffing, a creative stuffing.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Stuffing is exciting. My thing is why isn't stuffing something
that is eaten a year round? Like, why is it
only on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I don't get this stuffing is delicious.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
That's a really good question. I don't know, does Ginger
get any leftovers?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Oh my gosh, she's already. You know, she was supposed
to be. They told us she was going to be
twenty pounds, like the breeder told her she'd be twenty.
But she's like thirty pounds now. So we've probably got
to slow Ginger Spice down a little bit. She's gotten
very good at She's so manipulative. If she hears she
just walked in the room with me now too, she's
so cute. She heard me say her name, and so
she came in, Hey, how you doing. She knows that
(32:47):
if she comes in whenever there's tupperware that's been opened,
there's a chance that someone's going to give her some food.
And it's like we've trained her. Without training her, all
I have to do is open the top of a
tupperware lid, and wherever she is the house, somehow she
can always hear it. She will just she will just appear.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Our cats exact same way they do.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
That is this for the tins of food or for
tupperware for just.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
The tins of food. But they hear that and they
come running.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I have to give I have to give you credit
on something. Ali actually because the uh you mentioned this
that there's backs, there's backlash, backlash against Taylor Swift because
quote this is from Fortune magazine why some fans feel
jilted by the stars. Trad wife almost maga coated turn
(33:38):
to want to get married is now a tra like
that's a trad wife move.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Oh, just to be worse, it gets even worse. They're
actually accusing her of racism just because she said I
hope our kids look like him, like as a term
of endearment, like when you have children with the person
you love, you hope your kids look like them.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
How is that race?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I don't understand how people thank you producer rally for this.
I don't understand how people are so crazy about things
like this. But this is increasingly something that we all,
we all have to contend with. I guess that there
is now a movement where what does that tell you
though about think about this, everybody, What does it tell
you about where the country is headed? Where believing that
(34:24):
men and women are different and can't become each other
is right wing coded. Believing that a man and a
woman just getting married and and trying to build a
family together has some right wing flavor to it. That
seems to be what the Taylor Swift fans out there
are saying. I wish you know she I don't know.
(34:45):
I don't share her politics, and I don't think she
knows anything about politics. That's fine. I do wish that
she would just for the betterment for the betterment of
American young womendom who, as discussed earlier in the week,
I think are are in limited numbers in talk radio
audience world. But I wish, you know we had I
(35:06):
wish we had all the sorority girls listening to this show.
But we have some, we don't have all of them.
But the truth is this should be a moment for
I'm not a big t Swift fan. I'd like some
of her some of her tunes are kind of catchy,
but this should be a moment for her to just say, hey, girls,
go find a great guy, get married and start a family.
(35:27):
Doesn't have to be any kind of a giveaway to
Trump or the right wing or anything else, but encouraging
young women to do this it is a better pathway
for them. Look, should people have the right to sit
around and play video games all day and you know,
eat themselves into oblivion. I mean, yeah, if they choose
(35:49):
that and that they're able to do it, but that
doesn't mean that we should encourage them to do it.
And I just think that encouraging people to achieve a
family or to build the family and and and go
in the direction of what civilization has been built on
for thousands of years seems to be a pretty straightforward
(36:10):
proposition for you. But then again, you know, we'll see.
I think I might watch because I might have Carrie
might have a girl's night this weekend, girls' night out
at dinner, and that's where I encourage that. By the way,
I might have a chance to watch the Netflix Frankenstein movie,
because Carry doesn't do I don't even think of that.
I mean, it's technically horror, kind of more sci fi
to me than horror, Like no one watches frankenstun. I
(36:32):
was like, oh my gosh, I'm so scared. But I
do like I do like Guillelmro Guillermo del Toro as
a director. So maybe I'll have a movie review for
you on on Monday of next week. Clay will be
back on Monday for sure, and that'll be fun, so
we can we can make more jokes about how he
has a halo now because he met with the Pope.
(36:53):
And I guess I got to up my game as
a Catholic here. I got to get in to see
the Pope. So I might have to make some calls
to some bishops or something this weekend. But I have
a great one everybody, and talk to you on Monday.
Hey, I'm Klay Travis and I'm Buck Sexton. You know
what we're thankful for this year, all of you. That's right,
we have the best radio audience in the country, hands down.
Sending a big, warm and happy Thanksgiving from the Clay
and Buck Show. I never really third an hour of
the Clay and Buck Show on this lovely Friday. Thank
(00:22):
you for being with us. And we're joined by our
friend Mike Baker. He is my Cia brother from another mother.
He is also the host of the PDB podcast Presidential
Daily Brief Podcast, which is doing huge numbers. Doing great
stuff there, mister Baker. Always a pleasure to have you here.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Thanks, Matt, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
What's gonna happen in Venezuela? What is telling me? You
want to skip to the end of the movie, Like,
what's going on here? We're blowing up these boats in
the Caribbean and the narco boats. Venezuela is a narco state,
which I think needs to be more part of the conversation.
The leadership there makes a lot of money off of
the export of fentanyl out of their country and into
our country. Also cocaine, heroin, other stuff. Yeah, what are
(01:09):
we doing with these strikes, you think, and where's this going?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, it's it is. It is fascinating, like it's a
little bit obviously now no point intended, uncharted waters and
what are we up to above eighty individuals killed so
far as these strikes, I think. But setting aside, you know,
the legalities of all of this, and just looking at
(01:36):
it from an operational perspective, you know, it comes down to, okay, well,
you know, if if you believe that the intelligence is
credible and that you know the targeting is uh is
well thought through, do I have a problem with with
going after narco traffickers? No, I don't. We spent decades, right,
(01:57):
I was involved in in the drug wars while was
with the agency, spent a lot of time in counting
narcotics operations in parts of the world, and they always
called it a war on drugs, and it never really
was right in the sense that we never really had
a chance to win it. You could destroy the facility,
(02:18):
you know, a cooking house, a warehouse somewhere, interdict a
large shipment, and it never really impacted anything. Didn't affect
the street price, didn't affect how much gear was stored
in warehouses around the world, in part because yeah, you've
got the demand issue, and we've never been good at
dealing with the demand side of things. So now we're
(02:39):
calling it a war on drugs, and it is actually
looking like a.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
War on drugs. The other part of this question is
what are we doing with Venezuela? And I have to
assume that the massive military build up in the Caribbean,
which is outsized for a counter narcotics effort or a
war on drugs, is all about putting pressure on Maduro
(03:05):
and more importantly, probably putting pressure on those around him
to convince someone or a group of individuals there, or
advisors or military senior officers, whomever, that it's time for
Maduro to go. So I have to assume that that
is if we're operating on two tracks here.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I don't know if you saw this part of it, Mike,
but to me, I was concerned, Okay, do we want
to be even if the side effect of let's say,
US operations against the cartels is the toppling of them
of the Duro regime. People worry about that regime change situation.
We've seen that go badly elsewhere. But then I saw
(03:50):
Maduro singing the John Lennon song Imagine, and I was like,
this guy's got to go because that's the worst song
in the world.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Exactly. Not only that, it was the worst rendition of
the worst song ever. So yeah, I think, look, it
is well, maybe I'll be proven wrong on this. It
is highly unlikely that we're going into Venezuela militarily to
(04:22):
in a direct conflict with the Venezuelan government and military
to oust Maduro. Right, So I think the hope for
scenario again is this pressure campaign. He probably won't leave
on his own volition, but others may convince him that
that's the only thing he can do. So you look
(04:45):
at that and you say, Okay, fine, you're right. Regime
change is a very ugly thing. But this is not
This is not Libya, it's not Iraq in the sense
that I'm not calling for regime change. What I'm saying
is apples to apples, Right, So you've got a legitimate
opposition government that's sitting out there Maduro, and you know, everybody,
(05:09):
even people on the left, we are going to have
to look at this and go, yeah, the evidence shows
that Maduro stole that election outright, So you do have
an opposition in waiting now, whether you know, there's a
sense of survivability on the part of the senior military
there in Venezuela, and they say, okay, now it's time
to work with the opposition because we want to save
(05:30):
our own asses. I don't think a transition necessarily would be,
you know, sort of this ugly scene that we've seen
elsewhere played out sometimes when you get regime change and
then it just all heads south.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So we've got this Operation Southern Spear is the name
of it, a build up of American naval forces in
the Caribbean, the largest since the Cuban Missile Crisis and
the blockade of Cuba in nineteen sixty two. The gerald
Ford aircraft carrier is now out in the Caribbean, which
I think is our biggest carrier. It is. It is
fifteen thousand troops in the region. You know, Marco Rubio
(06:08):
has a well, it's gonna say he has a large role.
He has many large roles. Actually in this administration he
has more than one role. But he is a I
think a dedicated anti communist in the best sense, and
that includes the regime in Cuba. If we do get
a major let's say the major regime instead toppling makes
it sound like we did it. What if it implodes,
(06:30):
What if it crumbles and is no longer in a
position or no longer willing to subsidize the Cuban government
with a whole lot of oil, without which Cuba is
basically screwed. Feels like there's a chance for a two
for one here, Mike.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Look at that. It's a Black Friday sale. Yeah, you
know it could happen. And you're absolutely right to point
out this is not happening in a bubble, meaning it's
not just Venezuela and US, you know, stare each other down,
Russia and China certainly cue, but they've all got a
stake in this, right, and and even Iran, right Madurella
(07:08):
has been you know, been turning to Iran even for
you know, hope, for support, trying to say, look at
this with the imperialist dogs are doing to you. Uh
so there are other people that play here. When when
folks talk about, you know, the US is doing this
simply for Venezuela's resources, Okay, that's that old trope that
(07:29):
we always get. Right. Oh, they're they're moving into a
rock because of the oil they're they're doing that. Oh god,
you know you hear that one more time. I mean,
I've had conversations recently where, you know, some a couple
of people, very intelligent people, but they were completely convinced
that this you know, Cartel of the Suns that keeps
getting referred to as the kind of the pseudo organization
(07:52):
that exists as an arco trafficking network, you know, sponsored
by the state in Venezuela, that was a product of
creation for the CIA.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I had to listen to a conversation about that, and
again from smart people. But you get these these things
to get rolled out and you look and you think, okay,
is there even any reason to respond to that, right,
because you just give it credibility.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So but I do well, I always I always have
to point out to people, Mike that you know, people
who who get into this lane, they can either either
the CIA is a bunch of Machiavellian geniuses that can
do anything anywhere in the world whenever they want, or
they're completely useless and incompetent. They can't have both though,
right like you, they can't be super geniuses who could
(08:34):
do anything anywhere and they're totally worthless. Because I've heard
that from people. I'm like, I think those things go
in contradiction.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, no, they do, they do, and and but usually
what I hear is that, yeah, somehow the CIA is
responsible for everything, and and you know, but it's it's
always and then you know, typically followed backfilled by the
idea that you know, the US should not ever do
anything ever, you know, overseas, we have no right to
do anything anywhere, and you know, somehow then we would
just have this peaceful community of nations. And you know, anyhow,
(09:03):
I don't want to disappear down that that rabbit hole,
but I guess I was about to. But yeah, the
problem with with Venezuela is that you do have other
players there. The Russians have a big stake and in
this they don't want to see this turn. You know,
they certainly would at this time when they're losing influence
in a variety of ways. You know, the idea that
(09:23):
they would lose an important foothold in our backyard doesn't
sit well with putin. China's then playing out there purely
for their own self interest in terms of getting their
hands on the resources like we get accused of but
nobody ever mentions that about the Chinese regime. So there's
a lot at play here. I just don't think that
(09:45):
what we're looking at, and again maybe I'll be proven wrong,
but I don't believe the White House strategy it's going
to be to put the military into Venezuela for a
direct conflict with the government in the military wee thing.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I'm want to do a little bit of a Pivoty
or Mike you if for anyone's seeing you on Fox
or your podcast, the PDB podcast, which is fantastic and
people should go check it out. You look like what
I think a lot of people think a secret agent
man looks like. And you've got the square jaw, all American.
You know you're you're a manly man. And the American
(10:18):
young men, or rather American young men, are increasingly wanting people,
or they want the society around them to stop making
them feel like being a man is a bad thing.
The Democrats are unable to reach these young men because
of the way they've talked about toxic masculinity and all
(10:39):
this stuff. Pete Hegseat has gone into the Pentagon and
has really just refocused on war fighting and also, let's
be honest, the kind of on a bashed masculinity in
the way we fight wars. Is there a way to
make the CIA badass or at least less, you know,
less sort of smarmy buck prat that it is right now.
(11:01):
I'm wondering how you feel about that, because we could
use some help.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, no, you know, well, I mean, look, you know
this as well, you know better than I do that
the Agency is a is a real mix, right, You've
got all sorts of folks, you know, banging around the
corridors there and in our places overseas, and you know, look,
it takes all types. But I agree one hundred percent
(11:26):
with the idea that we need to we need to
be focused with a risk. The Agency is a risk
taking organization, so damn we should act like one. And
we we don't need But the Directorate of the Administration plays
an important role. It's a very important directorate, right. I
know a lot of good people there. They keep the
trains running on time, they do a lot of things.
(11:47):
But you know, we kind of disappeared down the same
rabbit hole that a lot of bureaucracies did over the
past handful of years. Imagining somehow that we we were
like a corporate culture, and that's that's not helpful to
to a risk taking organization. So yeah, I'm trying to
(12:09):
be a little bit delicate. I have I you know,
I have a lot of good friends over there, and
I know Summer on kind of both sides of this issue,
and I get it. But I would like to see
a return to a real risk taking mindset. You know
what it's like, right, I mean we were there.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, it's it's critical for morale. I mean, you know,
if you can make if you can make all this money,
you know, if you can come out of school and
make you know, two hundred and three hundred grand at Google,
Like why why go work at at Langley if you're
going to be like lectured and hounded over DEI nonsense
and like trends identification day all the time. I mean
that's what I hear from the people over there.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah. Yeah, you got to get you got to move
that out right and you and again I keep going
back to the same thing. Look, we we saw cycles,
right if you if if you get your ass kicked
up on Capitol Hill because an operation or a direction
that you're going in goes bad, then suddenly you know,
that risk versus game calculation recalibrates, and then you get
(13:10):
a period of time where management doesn't want to put
their head over the wall because they don't want to
get their ass kicked again up on Capitol Hill, and
so you don't take the risks right and then eventually
that recalibrates because the world requires it. You know, some
issue somewhere means you've got to get back on tracks.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Well, basically, Mike, we're gonna need you to be the
Pete Heggsath of the CIA. But that's a whole other
We'll have you back for that conversation. But you got
to go in there and crack some skulls and kick
some masses and make make spies great again. But Mike Baker,
everybody go.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Check to that effect, write a note to that effect,
send it to the White House, and I'd be happy
to pack my role.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'll let them know. I'll let them know, Mike Baker,
Everybody go check out the PDV podcast. Mike, Mike, thank
you so much.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Of course, man, Take care.
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Speaker 1 (14:55):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Really good conversation there with Mike Baker. He was a
great guy I've known Mike a long time and was
really he was very kind. He met with me when
I was leaving the CIA finally, and I basically going
to him, I'm like, so we allowed to have ideas
(15:15):
in public? Are we allowed to do that? And Mike
was like, yeah, just don't see anything classified. Don't be dumb,
and I said, all right. So that was very helpful
going forward. And I have to tell you the one
thing that when we look at the possibility of toppling
the government of Venezuela, there's some considerable upside if this
(15:35):
were to happen. There is a leadership that could take
over that's already in place Venezuelan. This isn't like we're
bringing somebody you know, out of retirement who lives in
the suburbs of DC to take over in Venezuela, as
you know, El Presidente or something. And it would put
tremendous pressure on Cuba as well. But when we start
(15:56):
to talk about taking on the cartels and a more
military approach to things, I wonder what it would be
like if we really went after the drug cartels in Mexico.
And I know some of you want that this has
been certainly discussed the Trump administration as of let me
(16:17):
see here, this was just a couple of weeks ago.
They've begun detailed planning for a new mission to send
American troops and intelligence officers into Mexico to target drug cartels.
This is according to NBC News. Early stages of training
for the potential mission, which would include ground operations inside Mexico,
(16:39):
have begun. Deployment to Mexico is not imminent, but they're
basically saying that this would be a JASOCK Joint Special
Operations Command mission, so it would be under the US
Intelligence Community AEGIS Title fifty status. So this is like
getting into the CIA Black Eye kind of stuff and
(17:01):
going after the car tells this is very much like
I always talk about Tom Clancy's clear in Present Danger.
But this is taking the fight to the cartels, and
I think they're going to do this. I don't know
how extensive it will be, and I don't know how
successful it immediately will be, but I do think that
they are going to take a certainly a paramilitary approach
(17:24):
to the drug cartels. And I think that the American
people are broadly supportive of efforts to do whatever is
necessary to stop the mass importation of fentanyl into this country.
We often talk about all the deaths from fentanyl, which
is heartbreaking and horrific. There's also just the societal destruction
from it. For every person who dies of a fent
(17:45):
fentanyl overdose, there are people who are left behind in
that family, and there are devastated communities, and it's just
so much loss. So but this anti narco war, the
war on drugs, may take us to a fight inside
a mi X go here pretty soon. From my time
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I'm ready about here. On our third hour of this
Friday on the Clay and Buck Show, we have Tutor
Dixon in the mix. The Tutor Dixon podcast on the
Clay and Buck Network is fantastic and so many of
you are listening and it's growing every month, and thank
you for that, Tutor. Let's start with this. What has
the Michelle Obama book tour been all about? Media tour
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that she's been doing? Because the only sound bites that
I or you know, video clips that I've seen of
this truly make her seem less likable to a lot
of people. What's what is going on here?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I know she's on this tour where she is really
it's just like a shame America tour, or it feels
very much like a Shame America tour because she talks
about how the being the First Lady is not like
this great privilege and she just kind of rolls her
eyes when she's asked about being First Lady and being
an example for women, and she trashes white people. She
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says that white people have been forcing her to straighten
her hair, which I thought, I don't remember anybody talking
about her hair. I guess once she went on vacation
as she had her hair braided and people said something
about her hair. And I think this is not unique
to the First Lady. Anybody who is in the public
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eye gets constant criticism. She is not that special, but
she wants us to feel guilty for everything she has
had to suffer in the public eye.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Well for somebody who is as generally certainly by the
left wring media celebrated and really the biggest corporate entities
and everything else, I mean, Michelle Obama is I don't know.
She's probably worked with Baraka on million dollars plus. I mean,
they've done incredibly well financially, and the Obama dynasty certainly
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lives on in the media, and yet she seems unhappy
with America, with the country that was made her first lady.
She lived in the White House for eight years. She's
incredibly rich. She hangs out with like Richard Branson and
the you know, the biggest names and well just the
biggest names in the world. And yet she has a
lot of complaints.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
She's incredibly rich. She can walk in anywhere, she is respected.
Like you said, she she can spend time with the
biggest Hollywood celebrities. It's not even like a Republican. You know, Republicans,
you're still shunned by half of the country. Is a Democrat,
You're welcomed everywhere. But she is so mad about something.
(21:50):
And I wish somebody in these interviews when she has,
you know, the other rich woman sitting across from her
complaining about how bad life is for women. I wish
one of them would say to her, was the was
the jew the juice worth the squeeze? You know, like,
was it worth it? Being first lady? You obviously hated it,
(22:11):
It was so terrible for you. Was it worth it?
Is your life now worth it? Because I'd love to
hear what she has to say. You know, she's had
that podcast where she has negatively talked about Barak, which
would seemingly be humiliating me if you were him. She
has been disparaging to people that had been around them
in the White House. But there's this weird twist now
(22:34):
to what she's doing because she's complaining about having to
dress up and having to have her hair and makeup done,
and she talks about that in this tour that she's on.
But she's very physically fit. She she looks great, she
does her hair is done, and she seems to be
continuing to get her hair done, and she has a
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very she always is dressed very nicely, and like I said,
she looks like she's fresh and ready to do something next.
And the question is like, what is her plan? And
I had Stacey Washington on the podcast. You've got to
listen to it because she had a totally different take
than what I would have thought when I was When
I was talking to her, She's like, I've never thought
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Michelle Obama was going to come back and do something
major in the public eye, but there's been some gleamings
of like what the future Michelle Obama could be and
it's kind of terrifying. So you have to listen to
what she says, because she makes a good point and
she sees things from a perspective that I think I
wouldn't have seen it. So I would say everyone should
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listen to the Tutor Dixon podcasts and check out what
she had to say.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, well, I was. I don't want to get ahead
of or get in the way of the podcast listening,
but I'm certainly curious if you think that Michelle Obama
is actually she said that she's not gonna run, and
I've said she's never gonna run, but I'll leave it
out there. I'll let people go listen to the podcast.
But speaking of people running, you faced off against Gretchen
Whitmer in the governor's race for Michigan. Very sad, very
(24:06):
sad that the people of Michigan were not able to
get that done the right way, and Gretchen Whitmer still
sits in office. So it's a bummer for Michigan and
for the rest of us too. What can you tell
us so you understand the Whitmer machine quite well? Is
she running for president for sure in the next cycle,
which would start in basically a year.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
So it's really interesting that you ask because just this week,
the Detroit News came out with an article that is
pointing out that she has an entity that raised seven
I think seven million dollars somewhere around seven million dollars,
and that almost her entire campaign staff from her gubernatorial
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run has moved over to this entity. And the question
they're posing is is this the entity that is going
to run the presidential campaign. I have no doubt in
my mind. I have never doubted for a second that
Gretchen Whitmer is planning to run for president. It's not
even like a second stop for me. It's so obvious.
She has never held a single political position that she
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is not looking for the next political position that she
will be in. And she's done with Michigan. She's been
done with Michigan since before she ran for office the
second time, and since she has since she won in
twenty two she has spent so much time overseas, which
is not to do anything good for Michigan. She uses
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the taxpayer money to go over there and say that
she's trying to bring business here because the state of
Michigan is dying. We have no business. Our education system
is forty fourth in the nation, we have the highest
energy cost she's doing. She's brought no business from all
these trips. I mean she's gone to Japan, she's gone
to Spain, she's gone to Germany. She's gone to multiple
(25:53):
different countries just in the last few years. And I
promise you it is simply to say I've got foreign
policy chops. I'm going to be able to be the
leader of the free world because I've already been all
over Europe and oliver Asia and I'm ready to do this.
She is using her position as governor to pretend she
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can be president. She hasn't done anything for the state
of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Do you think, put aside what I think you and
I would agree without even discussing, it would be the
extremely unfortunate situation of Gretchen Whitmer actually being president. But
do you think that she will be a formidable primary
candidate among the field of Democrats should she run?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I mean it's one thing to run. Some people run
because they want more speaking fees and book sales or whatever. Right,
do you think that she will, if she enters that field,
be a top three contender pretty reliably.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I think she is going to find out that once
she's in a real primary because she's never really faced
anyone in the state of Michigan that was serious, and
once she's in a real primary against a Gavin Newso
who actually he I mean, I think the guy is
a total snake, but he's a very good politician and
slick talker. Gretchen Whitmer is not. She is not very
(27:09):
good off the cuff conversation. She struggles and interviews. She's
very similar to Kamala in that sense. She's not good
on her feet and she doesn't really have anything to
back up what she's saying because she hasn't accomplished anything.
So I think she's going to run. I don't think
she wins. I don't think that she gets very far
in the primary. I think she's kind of like a
(27:31):
one percent support Kamala Harris because she just doesn't have
that it factor when it comes to going to that level.
She could get through Michigan, she's not going to get
through the She's not going to fool the country.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
That's really interesting because I know people talk about her
as a I think I hear about her a lot
more really as a likely VP candidate once again than
actually a presidential nominee for the Democrats. But we'll see
how that plays out. And you've faced off against hers,
you certainly know what she brings to the table. I
want to switch gears for a second. Earlier in the week,
(28:08):
I talked on the show about the change in attitudes
about young women twelfth graders, right, so basically high school graduates.
They're about you know, they're about to go out into
the world, maybe they're going to college, maybe they're going
to do something else. And sixty percent of them, the
latest pupil of women less than men, by the way,
less than young men, want to get married. You're a
(28:30):
woman that we know, what do you think about what's
going on here with young women? Like, well, I know
you've got four kids, but how is it that young
women are getting this kind of messaging?
Speaker 4 (28:40):
You know, I really think that this is happening. I
was actually just talking to someone about this. If you
watch these the pop culture shows, if you're watching what
the messages in high school right now, the message is like,
you don't need anyone, you can do this all on
your own. There is this stastic life out there for
(29:01):
you alone. But I do think that that's there's a
culture shift where young men are not happy with the
idea of being alone. I think that there's the faith factor.
I think there's been a bit of a revival in
Christianity and there is a bit of a push for
that traditional lifestyle. So I think that there is a
(29:24):
real chance that we see a baby boom in this country,
that that's all going to switch. But I don't know
that it happens overnight. I think that we are going
to we have to be steadily holding on. I mean,
I see these battles online right now over different faiths
right and especially in Michigan. I see the battle over
(29:46):
faith all the time, and I think instead of battling
over which faith is the best, focus on your own
and try to I mean, aren't we called to recruit
people to our own faith? And if if the church
reached out more, I think the that would be a
huge support to young women. And we're lacking there. But
I see that changing.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I certainly hope. So, Tutor Dixon, everybody go check out
the Tutor Dix Dickson podcasts on the Clay Endbuck Network.
Listen to it this weekend. Tutor, thank you so much,
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More truth and wisdom coming up from Clay, Travis and
Buck Sexton to close.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Us out here for the weekend, my friends, before we
send you off, and I hope you have a great one.
I mean, we got Thanksgiving coming up so soon, I
can't believe it. I'll be in New York for part
of next week, so I'll be able to see my
family that's based in NYC. And we will certainly have
our arguments and discussions here on the show about various
Thanksgiving paraphernalia, including I will start a fight with Clay
(31:38):
over this. This stuff that you guys do. It's what's
ali what's it called again? Where they can't make a
pie but then they smash it all up and they cobbler. Yeah,
it's just a pie that someone sat on that you
don't want to admit someone sat on, so you call
it cobbler. I'm sorry. I don't make the rules. This
is just the way that it is. Bruce Rally, what
(31:59):
is the best thing to eat at Thanksgiving? What is
your number one? Your top thing?
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Really?
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Good stuffing, a creative stuffing.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Stuffing is exciting. My thing is why isn't stuffing something
that is eaten a year round? Like, why is it
only on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I don't get this stuffing is delicious.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
That's a really good question. I don't know, does Ginger
get any leftovers?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Oh my gosh, she's already. You know, she was supposed
to be. They told us she was going to be
twenty pounds, like the breeder told her she'd be twenty.
But she's like thirty pounds now. So we've probably got
to slow Ginger Spice down a little bit. She's gotten
very good at She's so manipulative. If she hears she
just walked in the room with me now too, she's
so cute. She heard me say her name, and so
she came in, Hey, how you doing. She knows that
(32:47):
if she comes in whenever there's tupperware that's been opened,
there's a chance that someone's going to give her some food.
And it's like we've trained her. Without training her, all
I have to do is open the top of a
tupperware lid, and wherever she is the house, somehow she
can always hear it. She will just she will just appear.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Our cats exact same way they do.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
That is this for the tins of food or for
tupperware for just.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
The tins of food. But they hear that and they
come running.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I have to give I have to give you credit
on something. Ali actually because the uh you mentioned this
that there's backs, there's backlash, backlash against Taylor Swift because
quote this is from Fortune magazine why some fans feel
jilted by the stars. Trad wife almost maga coated turn
(33:38):
to want to get married is now a tra like
that's a trad wife move.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Oh, just to be worse, it gets even worse. They're
actually accusing her of racism just because she said I
hope our kids look like him, like as a term
of endearment, like when you have children with the person
you love, you hope your kids look like them.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
How is that race?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I don't understand how people thank you producer rally for this.
I don't understand how people are so crazy about things
like this. But this is increasingly something that we all,
we all have to contend with. I guess that there
is now a movement where what does that tell you
though about think about this, everybody, What does it tell
you about where the country is headed? Where believing that
(34:24):
men and women are different and can't become each other
is right wing coded. Believing that a man and a
woman just getting married and and trying to build a
family together has some right wing flavor to it. That
seems to be what the Taylor Swift fans out there
are saying. I wish you know she I don't know.
(34:45):
I don't share her politics, and I don't think she
knows anything about politics. That's fine. I do wish that
she would just for the betterment for the betterment of
American young womendom who, as discussed earlier in the week,
I think are are in limited numbers in talk radio
audience world. But I wish, you know we had I
(35:06):
wish we had all the sorority girls listening to this show.
But we have some, we don't have all of them.
But the truth is this should be a moment for
I'm not a big t Swift fan. I'd like some
of her some of her tunes are kind of catchy,
but this should be a moment for her to just say, hey, girls,
go find a great guy, get married and start a family.
(35:27):
Doesn't have to be any kind of a giveaway to
Trump or the right wing or anything else, but encouraging
young women to do this it is a better pathway
for them. Look, should people have the right to sit
around and play video games all day and you know,
eat themselves into oblivion. I mean, yeah, if they choose
(35:49):
that and that they're able to do it, but that
doesn't mean that we should encourage them to do it.
And I just think that encouraging people to achieve a
family or to build the family and and and go
in the direction of what civilization has been built on
for thousands of years seems to be a pretty straightforward
(36:10):
proposition for you. But then again, you know, we'll see.
I think I might watch because I might have Carrie
might have a girl's night this weekend, girls' night out
at dinner, and that's where I encourage that. By the way,
I might have a chance to watch the Netflix Frankenstein movie,
because Carry doesn't do I don't even think of that.
I mean, it's technically horror, kind of more sci fi
to me than horror, Like no one watches frankenstun. I
(36:32):
was like, oh my gosh, I'm so scared. But I
do like I do like Guillelmro Guillermo del Toro as
a director. So maybe I'll have a movie review for
you on on Monday of next week. Clay will be
back on Monday for sure, and that'll be fun, so
we can we can make more jokes about how he
has a halo now because he met with the Pope.
(36:53):
And I guess I got to up my game as
a Catholic here. I got to get in to see
the Pope. So I might have to make some calls
to some bishops or something this weekend. But I have
a great one everybody, and talk to you on Monday.
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