November 21, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show dives into major political and cultural flashpoints shaping America. Buck Sexton opens with a preview of the highly anticipated meeting between President Donald Trump and New York City Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani, scheduled for later in the day at the White House. Buck frames this as a “socialism summit,” highlighting the stark ideological divide between Trump’s America First agenda and Mamdani’s progressive platform, which includes rent freezes, free public transit, and universal childcare. Buck argues these policies mirror European-style democratic socialism and warns they will worsen affordability issues rather than solve them.
The discussion expands to the broader Democratic Party’s shift toward socialism, noting the House’s recent bipartisan vote condemning the “horrors of socialism.” Buck contrasts Mamdani’s vision with the historical roots of New York City as a capitalist hub and explains why electing an open socialist in America’s largest city signals a troubling trend. He predicts Democrats will attempt to rebrand themselves as champions of the working class ahead of the midterms, focusing on affordability as the defining issue of the next election cycle.
Buck then pivots to a horrific crime in Chicago, where a woman was set on fire aboard a public transit train. He blasts Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson’s tepid response and systemic failures that allowed the suspect—who had 70 prior arrests and a violent criminal history—to remain free. Buck contrasts the muted media coverage of this attack with the wall-to-wall outrage over past hoaxes like Jussie Smollett, exposing the racial and ideological double standards in mainstream reporting. He argues progressive criminal justice policies and refusal to enforce accountability have made major cities unsafe, warning that similar outcomes could emerge under Momani’s leadership in New York.
The hour closes with Buck’s passionate critique of left-wing governance, emphasizing the real-world consequences of policies driven by ideology rather than public safety or economic reality. He previews upcoming segments on the Democrats’ controversial PSA about “illegal orders” in the military and promises deeper analysis of Trump’s response to these attacks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome it, everybody to the Friday edition of the Clay
Travis en buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Play is back on.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Us Terra Firma, but he is tired from the jet
lag and all that, so he'll be back with us
on Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Just gonna be me today, just the Buckster.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And then next week the Dynamic Duo will be back
in full effect for just a few days before Turkey Day,
Thanksgiving comes. I love Thanksgiving. It's a great holiday. I
think it's my number two. I'm number one is Christmas
for me, but I think Thanksgiving goes in my number
two slot. As a Roman Catholic, I think I'm supposed
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to say Easter is my number one. But I'm not
talking about the spiritual significance necessarily of the holiday. I'm
just talking about fun, and Thanksgiving is a is a
fun one. I'm still yet to get any explanation as
to why we don't eat stuffing the rest of the year.
When was the last time that was not during the
Thanksgiving era, that you were in a restaurant they had
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stuffing as an option. I'm sure it happens in some places,
but I have not seen it. I don't think i've
ever seen it. Actually, stuffing is an option. I feel like,
why not just put it into sandwiches and wraps and things.
It could be delicious anyway. Obviously I'm a little hungry.
We have much to discuss. You have Trump meeting with
Mom Donnie. To Mom Donnie, it's a bit of a
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tongue twister sometimes, Mom Donnie at the White House Today
three Eastern is when the meeting's said for, So will
will happen right when we finish. We will bring you
what we hear from it. It's not open to the press.
I think that's a bit of a miss. It would
be really interesting to see how these two interact with
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the cameras on. I know how it's gonna go. Trump
is Trump, He's always he's always charming and funny. You know,
he'll he'll make some comments. He'll he'll give him a
he'll rib him a little bit, uh, Mom dommie, Mom Donnie,
you got to remember, for all of his idiotic and
self defeating policies, Mom Donnie is a guy who also
(02:08):
knows how to grip and grin and make people feel
like he gives you damn about them. So that's going
to be interesting. But it's going to happen right, so
I can't bring it to you live here. I was
hoping it would happen while we were on the air,
and so we could either go right to it live
or or we could bring you some of the cuts.
But it's actually going to be right after we finish.
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But Monday, when Clays back, we will certainly dive into
that with all of you. But even the run up
to this meeting, should we say, the Socialism Summit is
getting quite a bit of attention, and I think that
you have a Democrat Party that's still trying to figure
out the best way to message.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
All of this.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
There's a lot going on. More Democrats are socialist, and
I'm talking about elected Democrats now, but more Democrats are
socialist in their hearts than will ever say so out loud.
The Democrat Party is in so many ways indistinguishable from
a democratic socialist party, say in Europe, I don't even
know if you could find any really distinguishing characteristics. They
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want a lot more taxation, a lot more government control.
They want single payer health care. They really just want
the government to be making all decisions everywhere for everyone.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
They want to.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Focus on equality of everybody as the primary goal of
what a government does. So if that means you have
to bring some people down and you have to lift
a whole a lot of other people up, that's what
they want to do. As we know that doesn't actually work.
It's always a failure. People will say, oh, but what
about the northern European countries. They'll bring up Sweden or
they'll bring up Denmark. Those are countries that are actually
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very economically private sector driven, believe it or not. And
what they have is a large They have a high
tax base or high tax level for everyone, including the
middle class. Everybody pays high taxes in Sweden.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
This is what they don't tell you. It's not just
the rich.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Everybody you make fifty you make the equivalent of fifty
to one hundred thousand dollars a year in Sweden or whatever.
Their average household income would be less than that. But
if you're a middle income earner in Sweden, you pay
pretty high taxes. And then they have a large welfare
state and state services. But they don't actually have endless
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amounts of government control of all aspects of the of
the economy.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's not truly socialists.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So that's when Sweden used to be more socialist than
it was an economic basket case, and then it changed
its policies. I think it was in the seventies to
privatize and make it more market based, and it became
much better as a country. Now they've gone with the
whole open borders thing and DEI and multiculturalism. Those countries
are probably in a pretty rapid descent into disintegrating as cohesive.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Political entities as a result. But I digress.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
The House of Representatives voted this just happened this morning,
two hundred and fifty oh sorry, two hundred and eighty
five to ninety eight to approve a resolution condemning the
horrors of socialism. This is just before Trump is set
to meet New York's incoming Democrats Socialist mayor Zoron Mamdani.
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Eighty six Democrats joined with Republicans no Republican voter to
oppose it. Speaker Mike Johnson House GOP leaders have been
very critical of.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
This the mayor. Remember, New York City is interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
If you read there's a very dense but good, but dense.
It's a project to read it. A history of New
York called Gotham, and it lays out over its many
many I think it's like a thousand pages. I've got
a copy of it here. It lays out that New
York is interesting as a city because it really was.
It wasn't founded as a like a colony of a
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certain religion that was trying to escape persecution in Europe.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It did. You know.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
You look at some of these stories of places like
Massachusetts and Pennsylvania and some of the early cities in Plymouth,
Rock and all of this, and there's a there's a
narrative that tends to play out different Christian sects but similarities.
New York was really founded in a sense as just
a mercantile and commercial hub. It's a city driven by capitalism,
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a city driven by commerce, a city driven by money
and for and it's America's largest city by a large margin.
And for that city to have elected a socialist, an
open socialist, there is something here. It's different than Bernie Sanders.
I mean, let's be Vermont is a quaint place. I
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actually think Vermont's very beautiful. I'm very fond of it
as a geography, but very left wing Democrat. As you know,
Vermont has what's the population of Vermont. It's in the
hundreds of thousands. I don't even think it has a
million people. It's like eight hundred thousand or six hundred
thousand or something. You tell me, I don't know. Maybe
it's a million, maybe it's a million total. But that's
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a very different things. You got your pretty mountains, and
you got your ice cream and your you know, your
maple syrup candy. And if Bernie Sanders a New York
Brooklyn guy who moved there.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's why he has the funny accent that don't puck
like this up in the green mountains of ver Month.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That's not how they sound. I mean, honestly, very few
people from Brooklyn sound like that either. But that's Bernie
kind of has a version of a Brooklyn accident. But
it's a very different thing when a small state that
the population of yeah, it was six thousand, six hundred
and fifty thousand. I was I was basically spot on,
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who needs chat GPT when you have buck GPT. This
is a very different thing when the capital of commerce
for the whole world, really, which is New York City,
goes socialists. So I think a lot of people are
looking at this and saying that the optics of it,
the way it looks, the way it seems, is a
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different thing, or even a more powerful thing than whether
mom Donnie is going to be able to implement some
of the socialist policies that he wants to. And I
think there's certainly an open, open question about that. I
think it's unlikely, in fact, that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
He will be able to do so.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I think it's very unlikely that he will be able
to do free buses, for example. And one thing that's
a little bit well funny, a little sad, but also funny,
the buses for a lot of people are already free
because they just get on and don't pay, just like
the subway. The losses that the New York City subway
is currently taking from people turnstyle jumping every time I'm
(09:08):
in New York and I go take the subway, which
I will be honest with you, is rare. I used
to be on the subway every single day, years and
years and years. Subway every single day, multiple times a day.
But I have been back a couple of times and
you see people just jumping the turnstyle like it's no
big deal. Middle of the day people everywhere, no one
cares turnstyle jumping. If you actually add it up, it's
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a large sum of money that the city of New
York is losing to turnstyle jumpers. And I'm gonna say this,
no one is struggling with rent because of the price
of riding the subway, then no one is actually having
financial difficulty because of that. There's other things, but it's
not because they didn't jump the turnstyle because they needed to.
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It's a bit like when AOC was telling everybody that
those who are robbing from CVS and Dwayne Reid and
these drug store chains in New York, maybe they were
hungry and needed to feed themselves.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No, there's plenty of food banks. You can get food.
They're not stealing food.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
They're stealing and I know because my whole drug store
was locked down because of this. They're stealing razor blade cartridges.
They're stealing expensive you know, skin care things or anything
that they can go and easily sell on eBay.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Or on the internet or even just on the street.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That's what they want. They're stealing as a form of
making money illegally. They're not stealing because they're starving to death.
So you look at the way Momdani approaches things like,
you know, how he's going to help people with cost
of living, and he's just wrong on everything. He's wrong
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across the board. It's not going to help. In fact,
it will make things worse. And I do think it's
interesting because Trump can say that he met with this
guy and there's going to be you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
They're gonna come out of this.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
They both play to the cameras. Trump is a master.
As you all know, Trump is incredible at how to
craft that media narrative, Mom.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Donnie, that's really his skill set too.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He's not good he's never run a company, he's never
been a builder, but he's good at that as well,
in his own way. So they will come out from
this meeting today and they will be both setting up
I think, what their expectations are for the city of
New York, and we'll see who ends up being more
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correct on this one. And we're gonna watch this closely
because now this has been put in motion where it's
something that will be discussed as a preview and leading
up to I think might even grow as a conversation
about the midterms. Who's going to be running your state
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in the Senate, who's going to be representing your district
in Congress and the direction of the country as well.
The Democrats are going to try very hard to re
establish their connection because they've really lost it. They got
all they got too crazy with the DEI and the
trans kid stuff and all this. The Democrats are going
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to try to go back to being a class warfare
party that cares about the working class because otherwise they
can't win these elections at the national level. Otherwise they're
going to be boxed out by MAGA and trump Ism.
So this is going to be a central fight the
cost of the things you need day to day, affordability.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I really think.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I know we're a year out, but it's going to
be the afford unless you know, who knows crazy things
can happen, right, But it's set up to be the
affordability election, and who has better ideas and who's been
doing more to try to bring down prices. So that's
what I see. That's my sense, my preview of this
Mom Dannie meeting. And we'll get well, we'll talk more
(13:03):
about this and like I said on Monday, we'll have
the full readout of it. I can guarantee you this
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. This is
not a story I'm gonna spend much time on. I
did find it, just I had not heard anything about this.
Fujis rapper Prase Michelle sentenced to fourteen years in prison
over illegal donations to the Obama campaign. Did you guys
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even didn't know that this was even happening. This is
one of these news stories that came up. I go, wait,
what I remember when I was in high school, the
Fujis had an album that was very like every party
you'd go to and school dance, believe it or not,
and all that stuff you'd hear the Fujis. And fourteen
(15:55):
years that's a long sentence for illegal donations to the
Obama Anyway, I had no idea that was even going on.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
So I'm just noting that. I don't know how many
of you.
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Celebrate the Fujis, but you know, I don't think they're
putting out any more albums anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It's gonna be about fourteen years.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
So there's that story. Also, there's a lot of this
is a classic thing what the Democrats said. I might
not get to this at the second hour, but they
they put out this video, this insubordinate, borderline seditious video
about oh, you know, you don't have to obey illlegal orders.
(16:35):
And then Trump was Trump and he was very ticked
off about this and said some things about how, you know,
like treason's punishable by very severe means and now.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
They're all, do you see what Trump said about this?
Do you see what Trump? You know, it's so tired.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
The Democrats are so passive aggressive. They do something and
then there's a response, and then the problem is the
response after they did the thing always always, It's it's
just maddening that the story that I want to dive
into next though here as we're talking about cities and
(17:14):
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this story has now gotten a lot of just attention.
It's a woman was on the Chicago you know, a
mass transit train and was lit on fire by some guy.
Lit on fire by some guy, and I'm going to
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I mean, she's alive, but horribly burned. It's one of
the most awful things imaginable. The Mayor of Chicago, who
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Speaker 2 (18:52):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
A horrific story out of Chicago, and we need to
have a discussion about it because, first of all, the
media is up to their usual nonsense with what they're
willing to say, what they focus on. But let me
give you the the basics of the case. Here a woman,
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a white woman, is in critical conditions still because on
Monday of this week, a black man named Lawrence Reid,
fifty years old, on the Chicago L train, which is
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part of the Loop. I don't know Chicago well, so
this is not a city I can speak to with
a lot of personal knowledge. Chicago L Train. She was
just completely mining her own business and this guy walked
over to her, sprayed her with a bunch of flammable liquid,
and lit her on fire. About as horrifying a thing
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as any of us could think would happen to anyone
in America on any given day. About as evil, grotesque,
and depraved as anything you will hear or read about.
And it should affect all of us because we can't
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have a society where this kind of thing happens. And
you think about where, let's say the Democrat Party, the
left in this country, where they will consolidate their outrage.
What really gets them upset the coverage of this incident,
as opposed to say, the coverage of the Hoaxesse smolette.
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They put a noose around my neck and said mean
things to me. Think about the difference there. Think about
the difference from the Chicago Tribune, from the New York Times,
the Washington Post, CNN, all of them, which one seemed
like a bigger deal to them, based you had the
biggest names in Democrat politics when in another incident in Chicago, Right,
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I'm trying to compare another moment in Chicago where something
we were told ugly happened. It didn't actually happen at all,
and it was obvious from the start, but it was
not even the same universe of the ugliness of this.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, he had like a.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Mild bruise under one eye that he gave himself, So
you know, but what was more upsetting to the Democrat intelligencia?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
What was more worthy of your.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Time as a consumer of news? According to CNN, according
to the New York Times? In these places we all
know the answer. Well, here is the mayor of Chicago
weighing in on this, and remember he is the fact
(21:55):
that he was elected should should just be upset to anybody.
Chicago has a violence problem, and they elected the guy
with the worst ideas, the least accountability, the least accountability
for the criminals, the least accountability for the failures of
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policing and the system. And he's just going to make
it worse, just going to make it worse. And he
has been making it worse. I don't care what he says.
Well here he is, though, when you have a woman
sitting there lit on fire, and this is cut eleven,
play it well, I can.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Say, is as awful and as horrific as this tragedy is,
This as an isolated incident, as we continue to invest
more in our public transportation system, we want people to
feel safe, as they write, and so many working people
rely on our public transportation system across the city. And
that's why I'm doing my part to ensure that these
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investments are getting right to the.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
People, investments are getting He's talking about investments. A woman
was lit on fire, and he's talking about making sure
that we're redistributing the wealth the you know, communities.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
In need or whatever. This guy's an He is truly.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
An idiot and dangerous, dangerous and people in Chicago who
voted for him should be ashamed of how dumb.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
They were in casting a vote for him.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
They really, they should They should think about how lacking
in wisdom they are, how lacking they are in political judgment.
Does he sound upset about this at all?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
To you?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Does he sound like he is trying to be a
leader who emotes on behalf of the horrified Chicagoans and
Americans who think about what it would be like if
that was their wife, daughter, sister, friend, colleague. No, but
you know what, I'm sure, I'm sure he would be
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able to muster tremendous outrage if maybe we could get
some early reports of some career felon who was shot
by police, assuming the career felon's black and assuming the
cops are not.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
If we could get him to weigh in.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
On an incident like that where there's an early report that,
oh my gosh, there was excessive force. Oh, he'd be
pounding the table. He would be outraged. It's not outraged
at all. Sounds very calm talking about a woman in
his city being lit on fire, almost died by burning
to death, and reportedly the people around her didn't render
(24:42):
any aid. She managed to eventually get aid, people helped
oust the flames, and then first responders showed up. Now
the leadership of Chicago as abysmal. As you know, there
is no real leadership, and the race politics of Chicago
when it comes to crimes like this one are very apparent,
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which is, you know, imagine this anytime there's anything that
the BLM left wants to get upset about it, imagine
if we just set isolated incident every time. I said,
you know what's interesting though, they are isolated incidents that
BLM talks about. But if you just dismissed it as
an isolated incident, they would the Left would lose their minds.
They'd burn things, well, they'd burn things down anyway, and
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you'd have Kamala and Pelosi and.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Schumer and all of them.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Oh my gosh, Oh this is why we have to
come to grips with the racism in this country. Meanwhile,
we have another absolutely heinous incident of a black man,
a career criminal we're about to get into that, who
did something completely horrific, unprovoked, out of nowhere to a
white woman who was on mass transit, just like what
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happened to Irena. Remember that happened the same week, if
my memory is correct, as the Charlie Kirk assassination. So
that fell fell away, but was it in North Carolina,
right North Carolina. On the see you see how quickly
these events come and go. She stabs so viciously in
the neck, and she looks around and she's completely terrified
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and distraught and alone because some maniac stabs her in
the neck. And we all sit here and say, if
it were a black woman who was on that train
stab in the neck, or if it were a black
woman who was on the L train and was lit
on fire and it was by a white guy who
was a career criminal, we would be honestly, we'd be
worried about entire neighborhoods of cities burning down, as we know,
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but that's not the that's not the the demographic truth
of what happened in these situations. And so there's there's
just oh, it's just another you know, I slit it
into a random thing. Happened stance, It just sort of happened. Well,
could it have been prevented? The answer is yes, it
should have been prevent could have it should have been prevented?
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And to that I bring you this New York Times.
Here's how the New York Times writes about this man
just man again, if it were a white man who
did this to a black woman, it would be the
biggest story in the country by far. We would have
marches in the street. But irrespective, it could just be
a lunatic, right, it could just be and maybe that's
(27:19):
the case here. But if we're just dealing with somebody
who's like a drug addict, paranoid, schizophrenical. New York Times,
biggest part of it would be a white on black crime,
that would make it a really big story. But because
it's a black eye who did this to a white woman,
they do not have any interest. Man just man charge
(27:40):
with terrorism after woman again, no description, no descriptor there
set on fire on Chicago train. Chicago's facing federal terrorism charges.
Lawrence red facing one kind of committing attack. I go
through this and it gives you a blow blow of
(28:01):
this horrific insa. This woman's fighting for her life in
the hospital. I mean, there's almost some of you know
this because you've worked in hospitals, you have medical training,
or you served in the military and you saw what
severe burns can do to people. There's really nothing more,
nothing more painful on the planet than severe burns. Truly,
nothing more painful. So what she's going through is agonizing
(28:22):
beyond words and beyond really are our most horrific reckonings.
It's it's disgusting, beyond words. It's horrible that she's being
put through this. But you know what, they don't mention
in this entire New York Times piece. This is like, uh,
I don't know, maybe it's five hundred words on what happened.
(28:42):
This was the main piece that comes to the New
York Times that this guy who the black man named
Reid Lawrence, who lit this woman on fire for absolutely
no reason. Just there's a white woman, I'm going to
go light her on fire. That is what happened. And
he said the B Wordarently that's reported as well.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
He had been.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Arrested seventy times, seven zero, seventy times. Do you think
that maybe the system in Chicago after the tenth arrest
might have said, this guy has got a problem, he's
a danger with the public. Do you think do you
think okay for oh no, that's too harsh. Do you
think after the twentieth arrest we could decide that this
(29:28):
guy's not actually about to found the next Google, he's
not actually working on his dissertation, he's not a family man,
who's just trying to make ends meet. No, maybe, okay,
what about the fiftieth the rest five zero, the fiftieth
the rest. Do you think that the prosecutor in that
case and the judge might have said to themselves, you know,
(29:49):
I think we have a problem. We may have a
public safety threat here. He's been arrested fifty times. But no,
they had to wait until the seventieth, the seventieth arrest.
He is a violent criminal history. Let me add that
to violent criminal history of assaulting women. So it was
(30:12):
on the seventy, you know, seventieth times a charm apparently,
where they're actually going to do something, they're actually going
to take seriously. Now, all we're throwing federal terrorism charges.
What so they can they can they can pretend like
they didn't miss the ball on this entirely the whole time.
(30:34):
You can be arrested seventy times in America and still
be out on the street.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Think about that for a moment. Mayor Brandon Johnson of
Chicago was not outraged about that. No, no, no, Now.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Far more outraged about Donald Trump trying to bring in
National Guard to prevent things like this from happening, to
help people feel safer on the streets. But we all
know where this comes from. We all understand this mental.
The Democrats decided that there are too many men of
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color who are in prison, and so the policy had
to change. And they couldn't get away with changing the
laws that have disproportionate impact on communities of color, like
you can't you know, murder, steal, light people on fire.
You know, there's a disproportionate impact that exists from these
criminal laws.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So what do they do.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
They say, well, let's let's just stop locking people up
for it. We'll arrest them, but let's you know, the
prisons are too crowded. We need to let more people out.
And you can't lock anybody up for being completely criminally
insane either. We can't take them off the streets. We
have to wait. They can do a lot of crazy
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things and break a lot of laws, but we have
to wait until they do something as heinous as any
of us could ever imagine a human being doing lighting,
think about light lighting, and this is the person on fire,
and this is also you know, your case like this
and I'm like this is and then.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Oh, people say, buck, how could you your Catholic? Whatever?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
No, this is why I say, I think we do
have to have a death penalty in this country, and
I think we have to use it a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
More, a lot more.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
The criminals are not getting the message. It's not getting through.
They're not first timers who made a mistake. Oh but
you know, may Or Brandon, Ah, there's the Chicago subways.
Say oh, he's gonna have, you know, six hundred something
murders in his city this year, but oh, the L
train is safe. It's appalling, appalling, how these leftist ideologues
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with their view of crime. And I worry, you know,
I'm already thinking about how this could translate to mom
Donnie in New York. Is he going to be like
Brandon Johnson. I think it's very possible. He certainly sounds
like he will. We don't know yet. But their ideology
results in horrible things happening to people. It's because they
refuse to hold individuals accountable, in large part because of
(32:58):
their view of racial justice in this country. They will
not hold people accountable, and people die, and people get
lit on fire, and they don't stop it. They don't change.
That's the price of doing business in their cities.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
The way they want to.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So as Trump is meeting with Mamdani today, keep this
in mind. This stuff has consequences for real people. It
has consequences for everybody in Chicago who's got to sit
there and think now.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
But just like.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Everybody on the on the light rail in uh in
Charlotte after what happened to Irena, Oh, don't worry, you're safe.
That's an isolated incident. Really, I was in Taiwan. How
many people do you think have been lit on fire
on the subway of ti in Taiwan this past year,
or stabbed in the neck or punched in the face
or thrown in front of him none? Huh, it's weird,
(33:49):
you mean, we don't have to live in a society
where criminals get coddled and are treated like it's not
their fault.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Enough is enough? All right?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
This stuff gets me fired up because I've lived in
cities where this madness happens, and I'm sick of it.
And it's horrible what happens to these victims. It's not
kind to be kind to those who are violating people
and doing terrible things.
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Trump react. It's the reaction to the reaction that Trump
had to the video where they're like.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You do not have to obey illegal orders. You do
not have to obey.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Illegal We know everybody knows what's with the video. Huh,
we'll discuss that. We'll take some of your calls. You'll
send me some great talkbacks and vip emails. In the meantime,
we'll also get those. And well, I think we got
my friend Dave brother for joining in the Third Hour
Mike Baker of the c Mike, Well, I've got Mike Baker, sorry,
Mike Baker of the CIA joining in the three Hour
(36:46):
formerly of the CIA Third Hours.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
That's coming up.
Welcome it, everybody to the Friday edition of the Clay
Travis en buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Play is back on.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Us Terra Firma, but he is tired from the jet
lag and all that, so he'll be back with us
on Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Just gonna be me today, just the Buckster.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And then next week the Dynamic Duo will be back
in full effect for just a few days before Turkey Day,
Thanksgiving comes. I love Thanksgiving. It's a great holiday. I
think it's my number two. I'm number one is Christmas
for me, but I think Thanksgiving goes in my number
two slot. As a Roman Catholic, I think I'm supposed
(00:39):
to say Easter is my number one. But I'm not
talking about the spiritual significance necessarily of the holiday. I'm
just talking about fun, and Thanksgiving is a is a
fun one. I'm still yet to get any explanation as
to why we don't eat stuffing the rest of the year.
When was the last time that was not during the
Thanksgiving era, that you were in a restaurant they had
(01:02):
stuffing as an option. I'm sure it happens in some places,
but I have not seen it. I don't think i've
ever seen it. Actually, stuffing is an option. I feel like,
why not just put it into sandwiches and wraps and things.
It could be delicious anyway. Obviously I'm a little hungry.
We have much to discuss. You have Trump meeting with
Mom Donnie. To Mom Donnie, it's a bit of a
(01:24):
tongue twister sometimes, Mom Donnie at the White House Today
three Eastern is when the meeting's said for, So will
will happen right when we finish. We will bring you
what we hear from it. It's not open to the press.
I think that's a bit of a miss. It would
be really interesting to see how these two interact with
(01:45):
the cameras on. I know how it's gonna go. Trump
is Trump, He's always he's always charming and funny. You know,
he'll he'll make some comments. He'll he'll give him a
he'll rib him a little bit, uh, Mom dommie, Mom Donnie,
you got to remember, for all of his idiotic and
self defeating policies, Mom Donnie is a guy who also
(02:08):
knows how to grip and grin and make people feel
like he gives you damn about them. So that's going
to be interesting. But it's going to happen right, so
I can't bring it to you live here. I was
hoping it would happen while we were on the air,
and so we could either go right to it live
or or we could bring you some of the cuts.
But it's actually going to be right after we finish.
(02:30):
But Monday, when Clays back, we will certainly dive into
that with all of you. But even the run up
to this meeting, should we say, the Socialism Summit is
getting quite a bit of attention, and I think that
you have a Democrat Party that's still trying to figure
out the best way to message.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
All of this.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
There's a lot going on. More Democrats are socialist, and
I'm talking about elected Democrats now, but more Democrats are
socialist in their hearts than will ever say so out loud.
The Democrat Party is in so many ways indistinguishable from
a democratic socialist party, say in Europe, I don't even
know if you could find any really distinguishing characteristics. They
(03:16):
want a lot more taxation, a lot more government control.
They want single payer health care. They really just want
the government to be making all decisions everywhere for everyone.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
They want to.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Focus on equality of everybody as the primary goal of
what a government does. So if that means you have
to bring some people down and you have to lift
a whole a lot of other people up, that's what
they want to do. As we know that doesn't actually work.
It's always a failure. People will say, oh, but what
about the northern European countries. They'll bring up Sweden or
they'll bring up Denmark. Those are countries that are actually
(03:54):
very economically private sector driven, believe it or not. And
what they have is a large They have a high
tax base or high tax level for everyone, including the
middle class. Everybody pays high taxes in Sweden.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
This is what they don't tell you. It's not just
the rich.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Everybody you make fifty you make the equivalent of fifty
to one hundred thousand dollars a year in Sweden or whatever.
Their average household income would be less than that. But
if you're a middle income earner in Sweden, you pay
pretty high taxes. And then they have a large welfare
state and state services. But they don't actually have endless
(04:37):
amounts of government control of all aspects of the of
the economy.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's not truly socialists.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So that's when Sweden used to be more socialist than
it was an economic basket case, and then it changed
its policies. I think it was in the seventies to
privatize and make it more market based, and it became
much better as a country. Now they've gone with the
whole open borders thing and DEI and multiculturalism. Those countries
are probably in a pretty rapid descent into disintegrating as cohesive.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Political entities as a result. But I digress.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
The House of Representatives voted this just happened this morning,
two hundred and fifty oh sorry, two hundred and eighty
five to ninety eight to approve a resolution condemning the
horrors of socialism. This is just before Trump is set
to meet New York's incoming Democrats Socialist mayor Zoron Mamdani.
(05:32):
Eighty six Democrats joined with Republicans no Republican voter to
oppose it. Speaker Mike Johnson House GOP leaders have been
very critical of.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
This the mayor. Remember, New York City is interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
If you read there's a very dense but good, but dense.
It's a project to read it. A history of New
York called Gotham, and it lays out over its many
many I think it's like a thousand pages. I've got
a copy of it here. It lays out that New
York is interesting as a city because it really was.
It wasn't founded as a like a colony of a
(06:13):
certain religion that was trying to escape persecution in Europe.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It did. You know.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
You look at some of these stories of places like
Massachusetts and Pennsylvania and some of the early cities in Plymouth,
Rock and all of this, and there's a there's a
narrative that tends to play out different Christian sects but similarities.
New York was really founded in a sense as just
a mercantile and commercial hub. It's a city driven by capitalism,
(06:41):
a city driven by commerce, a city driven by money
and for and it's America's largest city by a large margin.
And for that city to have elected a socialist, an
open socialist, there is something here. It's different than Bernie Sanders.
I mean, let's be Vermont is a quaint place. I
(07:01):
actually think Vermont's very beautiful. I'm very fond of it
as a geography, but very left wing Democrat. As you know,
Vermont has what's the population of Vermont. It's in the
hundreds of thousands. I don't even think it has a
million people. It's like eight hundred thousand or six hundred
thousand or something. You tell me, I don't know. Maybe
it's a million, maybe it's a million total. But that's
(07:22):
a very different things. You got your pretty mountains, and
you got your ice cream and your you know, your
maple syrup candy. And if Bernie Sanders a New York
Brooklyn guy who moved there.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's why he has the funny accent that don't puck
like this up in the green mountains of ver Month.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That's not how they sound. I mean, honestly, very few
people from Brooklyn sound like that either. But that's Bernie
kind of has a version of a Brooklyn accident. But
it's a very different thing when a small state that
the population of yeah, it was six thousand, six hundred
and fifty thousand. I was I was basically spot on,
(08:01):
who needs chat GPT when you have buck GPT. This
is a very different thing when the capital of commerce
for the whole world, really, which is New York City,
goes socialists. So I think a lot of people are
looking at this and saying that the optics of it,
the way it looks, the way it seems, is a
(08:25):
different thing, or even a more powerful thing than whether
mom Donnie is going to be able to implement some
of the socialist policies that he wants to. And I
think there's certainly an open, open question about that. I
think it's unlikely, in fact, that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
He will be able to do so.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I think it's very unlikely that he will be able
to do free buses, for example. And one thing that's
a little bit well funny, a little sad, but also funny,
the buses for a lot of people are already free
because they just get on and don't pay, just like
the subway. The losses that the New York City subway
is currently taking from people turnstyle jumping every time I'm
(09:08):
in New York and I go take the subway, which
I will be honest with you, is rare. I used
to be on the subway every single day, years and
years and years. Subway every single day, multiple times a day.
But I have been back a couple of times and
you see people just jumping the turnstyle like it's no
big deal. Middle of the day people everywhere, no one
cares turnstyle jumping. If you actually add it up, it's
(09:30):
a large sum of money that the city of New
York is losing to turnstyle jumpers. And I'm gonna say this,
no one is struggling with rent because of the price
of riding the subway, then no one is actually having
financial difficulty because of that. There's other things, but it's
not because they didn't jump the turnstyle because they needed to.
(09:53):
It's a bit like when AOC was telling everybody that
those who are robbing from CVS and Dwayne Reid and
these drug store chains in New York, maybe they were
hungry and needed to feed themselves.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No, there's plenty of food banks. You can get food.
They're not stealing food.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
They're stealing and I know because my whole drug store
was locked down because of this. They're stealing razor blade cartridges.
They're stealing expensive you know, skin care things or anything
that they can go and easily sell on eBay.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Or on the internet or even just on the street.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That's what they want. They're stealing as a form of
making money illegally. They're not stealing because they're starving to death.
So you look at the way Momdani approaches things like,
you know, how he's going to help people with cost
of living, and he's just wrong on everything. He's wrong
(10:49):
across the board. It's not going to help. In fact,
it will make things worse. And I do think it's
interesting because Trump can say that he met with this
guy and there's going to be you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
They're gonna come out of this.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
They both play to the cameras. Trump is a master.
As you all know, Trump is incredible at how to
craft that media narrative, Mom.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Donnie, that's really his skill set too.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He's not good he's never run a company, he's never
been a builder, but he's good at that as well,
in his own way. So they will come out from
this meeting today and they will be both setting up
I think, what their expectations are for the city of
New York, and we'll see who ends up being more
(11:36):
correct on this one. And we're gonna watch this closely
because now this has been put in motion where it's
something that will be discussed as a preview and leading
up to I think might even grow as a conversation
about the midterms. Who's going to be running your state
(11:56):
in the Senate, who's going to be representing your district
in Congress and the direction of the country as well.
The Democrats are going to try very hard to re
establish their connection because they've really lost it. They got
all they got too crazy with the DEI and the
trans kid stuff and all this. The Democrats are going
(12:16):
to try to go back to being a class warfare
party that cares about the working class because otherwise they
can't win these elections at the national level. Otherwise they're
going to be boxed out by MAGA and trump Ism.
So this is going to be a central fight the
cost of the things you need day to day, affordability.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I really think.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I know we're a year out, but it's going to
be the afford unless you know, who knows crazy things
can happen, right, But it's set up to be the
affordability election, and who has better ideas and who's been
doing more to try to bring down prices. So that's
what I see. That's my sense, my preview of this
Mom Dannie meeting. And we'll get well, we'll talk more
(13:03):
about this and like I said on Monday, we'll have
the full readout of it. I can guarantee you this
Trump is going to have at least one hilarious line
about meeting this guy. Probably a few, but at least
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. This is
not a story I'm gonna spend much time on. I
did find it, just I had not heard anything about this.
Fujis rapper Prase Michelle sentenced to fourteen years in prison
over illegal donations to the Obama campaign. Did you guys
(15:32):
even didn't know that this was even happening. This is
one of these news stories that came up. I go, wait,
what I remember when I was in high school, the
Fujis had an album that was very like every party
you'd go to and school dance, believe it or not,
and all that stuff you'd hear the Fujis. And fourteen
(15:55):
years that's a long sentence for illegal donations to the
Obama Anyway, I had no idea that was even going on.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
So I'm just noting that. I don't know how many
of you.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Celebrate the Fujis, but you know, I don't think they're
putting out any more albums anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It's gonna be about fourteen years.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
So there's that story. Also, there's a lot of this
is a classic thing what the Democrats said. I might
not get to this at the second hour, but they
they put out this video, this insubordinate, borderline seditious video
about oh, you know, you don't have to obey illlegal orders.
(16:35):
And then Trump was Trump and he was very ticked
off about this and said some things about how, you know,
like treason's punishable by very severe means and now.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
They're all, do you see what Trump said about this?
Do you see what Trump? You know, it's so tired.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
The Democrats are so passive aggressive. They do something and
then there's a response, and then the problem is the
response after they did the thing always always, It's it's
just maddening that the story that I want to dive
into next though here as we're talking about cities and
(17:14):
city governance, the Mayor of Chicago has weighed in after
this story has now gotten a lot of just attention.
It's a woman was on the Chicago you know, a
mass transit train and was lit on fire by some guy.
Lit on fire by some guy, and I'm going to
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the most awful things imaginable. The Mayor of Chicago, who
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
A horrific story out of Chicago, and we need to
have a discussion about it because, first of all, the
media is up to their usual nonsense with what they're
willing to say, what they focus on. But let me
give you the the basics of the case. Here a woman,
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a white woman, is in critical conditions still because on
Monday of this week, a black man named Lawrence Reid,
fifty years old, on the Chicago L train, which is
(19:40):
part of the Loop. I don't know Chicago well, so
this is not a city I can speak to with
a lot of personal knowledge. Chicago L Train. She was
just completely mining her own business and this guy walked
over to her, sprayed her with a bunch of flammable liquid,
and lit her on fire. About as horrifying a thing
(20:03):
as any of us could think would happen to anyone
in America on any given day. About as evil, grotesque,
and depraved as anything you will hear or read about.
And it should affect all of us because we can't
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have a society where this kind of thing happens. And
you think about where, let's say the Democrat Party, the
left in this country, where they will consolidate their outrage.
What really gets them upset the coverage of this incident,
as opposed to say, the coverage of the Hoaxesse smolette.
(20:46):
They put a noose around my neck and said mean
things to me. Think about the difference there. Think about
the difference from the Chicago Tribune, from the New York Times,
the Washington Post, CNN, all of them, which one seemed
like a bigger deal to them, based you had the
biggest names in Democrat politics when in another incident in Chicago, Right,
(21:10):
I'm trying to compare another moment in Chicago where something
we were told ugly happened. It didn't actually happen at all,
and it was obvious from the start, but it was
not even the same universe of the ugliness of this.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, he had like a.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Mild bruise under one eye that he gave himself, So
you know, but what was more upsetting to the Democrat intelligencia?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
What was more worthy of your.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Time as a consumer of news? According to CNN, according
to the New York Times? In these places we all
know the answer. Well, here is the mayor of Chicago
weighing in on this, and remember he is the fact
(21:55):
that he was elected should should just be upset to anybody.
Chicago has a violence problem, and they elected the guy
with the worst ideas, the least accountability, the least accountability
for the criminals, the least accountability for the failures of
(22:16):
policing and the system. And he's just going to make
it worse, just going to make it worse. And he
has been making it worse. I don't care what he says.
Well here he is, though, when you have a woman
sitting there lit on fire, and this is cut eleven,
play it well, I can.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Say, is as awful and as horrific as this tragedy is,
This as an isolated incident, as we continue to invest
more in our public transportation system, we want people to
feel safe, as they write, and so many working people
rely on our public transportation system across the city. And
that's why I'm doing my part to ensure that these
(22:57):
investments are getting right to the.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
People, investments are getting He's talking about investments. A woman
was lit on fire, and he's talking about making sure
that we're redistributing the wealth the you know, communities.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
In need or whatever. This guy's an He is truly.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
An idiot and dangerous, dangerous and people in Chicago who
voted for him should be ashamed of how dumb.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
They were in casting a vote for him.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
They really, they should They should think about how lacking
in wisdom they are, how lacking they are in political judgment.
Does he sound upset about this at all?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
To you?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Does he sound like he is trying to be a
leader who emotes on behalf of the horrified Chicagoans and
Americans who think about what it would be like if
that was their wife, daughter, sister, friend, colleague. No, but
you know what, I'm sure, I'm sure he would be
(24:00):
able to muster tremendous outrage if maybe we could get
some early reports of some career felon who was shot
by police, assuming the career felon's black and assuming the
cops are not.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
If we could get him to weigh in.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
On an incident like that where there's an early report that,
oh my gosh, there was excessive force. Oh, he'd be
pounding the table. He would be outraged. It's not outraged
at all. Sounds very calm talking about a woman in
his city being lit on fire, almost died by burning
to death, and reportedly the people around her didn't render
(24:42):
any aid. She managed to eventually get aid, people helped
oust the flames, and then first responders showed up. Now
the leadership of Chicago as abysmal. As you know, there
is no real leadership, and the race politics of Chicago
when it comes to crimes like this one are very apparent,
(25:04):
which is, you know, imagine this anytime there's anything that
the BLM left wants to get upset about it, imagine
if we just set isolated incident every time. I said,
you know what's interesting though, they are isolated incidents that
BLM talks about. But if you just dismissed it as
an isolated incident, they would the Left would lose their minds.
They'd burn things, well, they'd burn things down anyway, and
(25:27):
you'd have Kamala and Pelosi and.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Schumer and all of them.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Oh my gosh, Oh this is why we have to
come to grips with the racism in this country. Meanwhile,
we have another absolutely heinous incident of a black man,
a career criminal we're about to get into that, who
did something completely horrific, unprovoked, out of nowhere to a
white woman who was on mass transit, just like what
(25:51):
happened to Irena. Remember that happened the same week, if
my memory is correct, as the Charlie Kirk assassination. So
that fell fell away, but was it in North Carolina,
right North Carolina. On the see you see how quickly
these events come and go. She stabs so viciously in
the neck, and she looks around and she's completely terrified
(26:13):
and distraught and alone because some maniac stabs her in
the neck. And we all sit here and say, if
it were a black woman who was on that train
stab in the neck, or if it were a black
woman who was on the L train and was lit
on fire and it was by a white guy who
was a career criminal, we would be honestly, we'd be
worried about entire neighborhoods of cities burning down, as we know,
(26:34):
but that's not the that's not the the demographic truth
of what happened in these situations. And so there's there's
just oh, it's just another you know, I slit it
into a random thing. Happened stance, It just sort of happened. Well,
could it have been prevented? The answer is yes, it
should have been prevent could have it should have been prevented?
(26:56):
And to that I bring you this New York Times.
Here's how the New York Times writes about this man
just man again, if it were a white man who
did this to a black woman, it would be the
biggest story in the country by far. We would have
marches in the street. But irrespective, it could just be
a lunatic, right, it could just be and maybe that's
(27:19):
the case here. But if we're just dealing with somebody
who's like a drug addict, paranoid, schizophrenical. New York Times,
biggest part of it would be a white on black crime,
that would make it a really big story. But because
it's a black eye who did this to a white woman,
they do not have any interest. Man just man charge
(27:40):
with terrorism after woman again, no description, no descriptor there
set on fire on Chicago train. Chicago's facing federal terrorism charges.
Lawrence red facing one kind of committing attack. I go
through this and it gives you a blow blow of
(28:01):
this horrific insa. This woman's fighting for her life in
the hospital. I mean, there's almost some of you know
this because you've worked in hospitals, you have medical training,
or you served in the military and you saw what
severe burns can do to people. There's really nothing more,
nothing more painful on the planet than severe burns. Truly,
nothing more painful. So what she's going through is agonizing
(28:22):
beyond words and beyond really are our most horrific reckonings.
It's it's disgusting, beyond words. It's horrible that she's being
put through this. But you know what, they don't mention
in this entire New York Times piece. This is like, uh,
I don't know, maybe it's five hundred words on what happened.
(28:42):
This was the main piece that comes to the New
York Times that this guy who the black man named
Reid Lawrence, who lit this woman on fire for absolutely
no reason. Just there's a white woman, I'm going to
go light her on fire. That is what happened. And
he said the B Wordarently that's reported as well.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
He had been.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Arrested seventy times, seven zero, seventy times. Do you think
that maybe the system in Chicago after the tenth arrest
might have said, this guy has got a problem, he's
a danger with the public. Do you think do you
think okay for oh no, that's too harsh. Do you
think after the twentieth arrest we could decide that this
(29:28):
guy's not actually about to found the next Google, he's
not actually working on his dissertation, he's not a family man,
who's just trying to make ends meet. No, maybe, okay,
what about the fiftieth the rest five zero, the fiftieth
the rest. Do you think that the prosecutor in that
case and the judge might have said to themselves, you know,
(29:49):
I think we have a problem. We may have a
public safety threat here. He's been arrested fifty times. But no,
they had to wait until the seventieth, the seventieth arrest.
He is a violent criminal history. Let me add that
to violent criminal history of assaulting women. So it was
(30:12):
on the seventy, you know, seventieth times a charm apparently,
where they're actually going to do something, they're actually going
to take seriously. Now, all we're throwing federal terrorism charges.
What so they can they can they can pretend like
they didn't miss the ball on this entirely the whole time.
(30:34):
You can be arrested seventy times in America and still
be out on the street.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Think about that for a moment. Mayor Brandon Johnson of
Chicago was not outraged about that. No, no, no, Now.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Far more outraged about Donald Trump trying to bring in
National Guard to prevent things like this from happening, to
help people feel safer on the streets. But we all
know where this comes from. We all understand this mental.
The Democrats decided that there are too many men of
(31:05):
color who are in prison, and so the policy had
to change. And they couldn't get away with changing the
laws that have disproportionate impact on communities of color, like
you can't you know, murder, steal, light people on fire.
You know, there's a disproportionate impact that exists from these
criminal laws.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So what do they do.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
They say, well, let's let's just stop locking people up
for it. We'll arrest them, but let's you know, the
prisons are too crowded. We need to let more people out.
And you can't lock anybody up for being completely criminally
insane either. We can't take them off the streets. We
have to wait. They can do a lot of crazy
(31:46):
things and break a lot of laws, but we have
to wait until they do something as heinous as any
of us could ever imagine a human being doing lighting,
think about light lighting, and this is the person on fire,
and this is also you know, your case like this
and I'm like this is and then.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Oh, people say, buck, how could you your Catholic? Whatever?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
No, this is why I say, I think we do
have to have a death penalty in this country, and
I think we have to use it a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
More, a lot more.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
The criminals are not getting the message. It's not getting through.
They're not first timers who made a mistake. Oh but
you know, may Or Brandon, Ah, there's the Chicago subways.
Say oh, he's gonna have, you know, six hundred something
murders in his city this year, but oh, the L
train is safe. It's appalling, appalling, how these leftist ideologues
(32:35):
with their view of crime. And I worry, you know,
I'm already thinking about how this could translate to mom
Donnie in New York. Is he going to be like
Brandon Johnson. I think it's very possible. He certainly sounds
like he will. We don't know yet. But their ideology
results in horrible things happening to people. It's because they
refuse to hold individuals accountable, in large part because of
(32:58):
their view of racial justice in this country. They will
not hold people accountable, and people die, and people get
lit on fire, and they don't stop it. They don't change.
That's the price of doing business in their cities.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
The way they want to.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So as Trump is meeting with Mamdani today, keep this
in mind. This stuff has consequences for real people. It
has consequences for everybody in Chicago who's got to sit
there and think now.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
But just like.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Everybody on the on the light rail in uh in
Charlotte after what happened to Irena, Oh, don't worry, you're safe.
That's an isolated incident. Really, I was in Taiwan. How
many people do you think have been lit on fire
on the subway of ti in Taiwan this past year,
or stabbed in the neck or punched in the face
or thrown in front of him none? Huh, it's weird,
(33:49):
you mean, we don't have to live in a society
where criminals get coddled and are treated like it's not
their fault.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Enough is enough? All right?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
This stuff gets me fired up because I've lived in
cities where this madness happens, and I'm sick of it.
And it's horrible what happens to these victims. It's not
kind to be kind to those who are violating people
and doing terrible things.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
All right, Next week is Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
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Speaker 1 (34:13):
Next week is Thanksgiving. I hope you're able to be
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And there are so many great memories that are made.
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Trump react. It's the reaction to the reaction that Trump
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You do not have to obey illegal orders. You do
not have to obey.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Illegal We know everybody knows what's with the video. Huh,
we'll discuss that. We'll take some of your calls. You'll
send me some great talkbacks and vip emails. In the meantime,
we'll also get those. And well, I think we got
my friend Dave brother for joining in the Third Hour
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