Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Nov 21 2025

Socialism Summit

Buck Sexton opens with a preview of the highly anticipated meeting between President Donald Trump and New York City Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani, scheduled for later in the day at the White House. Buck frames this as a “socialism summit,” highlighting the stark ideological divide between Trump’s America First agenda and Mamdani’s progressive platform, which includes rent freezes, free public transit, and universal childcare. Buck argues these policies mirror European-style democratic socialism and warns they will worsen affordability issues rather than solve them.

The discussion expands to the broader Democratic Party’s shift toward socialism, noting the House’s recent bipartisan vote condemning the “horrors of socialism.” Buck contrasts Mamdani’s vision with the historical roots of New York City as a capitalist hub and explains why electing an open socialist in America’s largest city signals a troubling trend. He predicts Democrats will attempt to rebrand themselves as champions of the working class ahead of the midterms, focusing on affordability as the defining issue of the next election cycle.

We Need to Talk About This

Buck then pivots to a horrific crime in Chicago, where a woman was set on fire aboard a public transit train. He blasts Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson’s tepid response and systemic failures that allowed the suspect—who had 70-plus prior arrests and a violent criminal history—to remain free. Buck contrasts the muted media coverage of this attack with the wall-to-wall outrage over past hoaxes like Jussie Smollett, exposing the racial and ideological double standards in mainstream reporting. He argues progressive criminal justice policies and refusal to enforce accountability have made major cities unsafe, warning that similar outcomes could emerge under Momani’s leadership in New York.

Mess Around and Find Out

Buck dissects the fallout from a Democrat PSA video featuring lawmakers like Mark Kelly and Alyssa Slotkin, which urged military and intelligence personnel to refuse “illegal orders.” Buck argues the video was a veiled attempt to undermine President Trump’s authority as Commander-in-Chief, framing it as subversive and politically motivated. He highlights Trump’s fiery response on Truth Social, where Trump called the behavior “seditious” and noted that such acts are “punishable by death” under federal law—a statement that triggered outrage from Democrats and media figures like Chuck Schumer, who accused Trump of inciting violence. Buck counters these claims by pointing out the hypocrisy of Democrats, citing recent left-wing political violence, including assassination attempts on Trump and other conservatives.

The discussion expands to Mark Kelly’s defense of the PSA, where he referenced Trump’s past comments about protestors, and Buck dismantles the narrative that Trump poses a unique threat. He emphasizes how Democrats weaponize Nazi comparisons to justify hostility toward conservatives, creating a dangerous climate that fuels real-world violence. Listener talkbacks and VIP emails echo frustration over the PSA, calling it divisive and near-treasonous, while Buck underscores that accountability is unlikely despite the cultural Marxist undertones.

CIA Officer Mike Baker

Former CIA Officer Mike Baker joins the show to discuss the escalating U.S. military presence in the Caribbean under Operation Southern Spear, the largest naval buildup since the Cuban Missile Crisis. Buck and Baker break down the strategic objectives behind recent strikes on narco-trafficking boats and explore whether this pressure campaign could lead to the collapse of Nicolás Maduro’s regime in Venezuela. They examine the geopolitical ripple effects, including potential consequences for Cuba, Russian and Chinese interests, and Iran’s involvement, while debating the risks and realities of regime change versus internal transition.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everybody, it's Buck Sexton from all of us in
the Clay and Buck Family.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome it, everybody to the Friday edition of The Clay
Travis En buck Sexton Show Play is back on us
Terra Firma, but he is tired from the jet lag
and all that, so he'll be back with us on Monday.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Just gonna be me today, just the Buckster.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
And then next week the Dynamic Duo will be back
in full effect for just a few days before Turkey
Day Thanksgiving comes. I love Thanksgiving. It's a great holiday.
I think it's my number two. I'm a number one
is Christmas for me, but I think Thanksgiving goes in
my number two slot. As a Roman Catholic, I think

(00:47):
I'm supposed to say Easter is my number one. But
I'm not talking about the spiritual significance necessarily of the holiday.
I'm just talking about fun, and Thanksgiving is a is
a fun one. I'm still yet to get any explanation
as to why we don't eat stuffing the rest of
the year. When was the last time that was not
during the Thanksgiving era, that you were in a restaurant

(01:10):
they had stuffing as an option? I'm sure it happens
in some places, but I have not seen it. I
don't think i've ever seen it. Actually, stuffing is an option.
I feel like, why not just put it into sandwiches
and wraps and things. It could be delicious anyway. Obviously,
I'm a little hungry. We have much to discuss. You
have Trump meeting with Mom Donnie. To Mom Donnie, it's

(01:32):
a bit of a tongue twister sometimes, Mom Donnie. At
the White House Today, three Eastern is when the meetings
said for so will will happen right when we finish,
we will bring you what we hear from it. It's
not open to the press. I think that's a bit
of a miss. It would be really interesting to see
how these two interact with the cameras on. I know

(01:55):
how it's gonna go. Trump is Trump, He's always he's
always charming and funny. You know, he'll he'll make some comments,
He'll he'll give him, he'll rib him a little bit, uh,
Mom Donnie, Mom Donnie, you gotta remember, for all of
his idiotic and self defeating policies, Mam Donnie is a
guy who also knows how to grip and grin and

(02:20):
make people feel like he gives you damn about them.
So that's gonna be interesting. But it's gonna happen right
so I can't bring it to you live here. I
was hoping it would happen while we were on the air,
and so we could either go right to it live
or or we could bring you some of the cuts.
But it's actually going to be right after we finish.
But Monday, when Clays back, we will certainly dive into

(02:42):
that with all of you.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
But even the run up.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
To this meeting, should we say, the Socialism Summit is
getting quite a bit of attention, and I think that
you have a Democrat Party that's still trying to figure
out the best way to message.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
All of this.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
There's a lot going on. More Democrats are socialist, and
I'm talking about elected Democrats now, but more Democrats are
socialist in their hearts than we'll ever say so out loud.
The Democrat Party is in so many ways indistinguishable from
a democratic socialist party, say in Europe, I don't even
know if you could find any really distinguishing characteristics. They

(03:24):
want a lot more taxation, a lot more government control,
they want single payer health care. They really just want
the government to be making all decisions everywhere for everyone.
They want to focus on equality of everybody as the
primary goal of what a government does. So if that

(03:45):
means you have to bring some people down and you
have to lift a whole a lot of other people up,
that's what they want to do. As we know, if
that doesn't actually work, it's always a failure. People will say, oh,
but what about the northern European countries. They'll bring up
Sweden or they'll bring up Denmark. Those are countries that
are actually very economically private sector driven, believe it or not.

(04:08):
And what they have is a large They have a
high tax base or high tax level for everyone, including
the middle class. Everybody pays high taxes in Sweden.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
This is what they don't tell you. It's not just
the rich.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Everybody you make fifty, you make the equivalent of fifty
to one hundred thousand dollars a year in Sweden or whatever.
Their average household income would be less than that. But
if you're a middle income earner in Sweden, you pay
pretty high taxes. And then they have a large welfare
state and state services. But they don't actually have endless

(04:45):
amounts of government control of all aspects of the economy.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's not truly socialists.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
So that's when Sweden used to be more socialist than
it was an economic basket case. And then it changed
its policies. I think it was in the seventies to
privatize and make it more market based, and it became
much better as a country. Now they've gone with the
whole open borders thing and DEI and multiculturalism, and those
countries are probably in a pretty rapid descent into disintegrating

(05:12):
as cohesive political entities as a result. But I digress.
The House of Representatives voted this just happened this morning,
two hundred and fifty oh sorry, two hundred and eighty
five to ninety eight to approve a resolution condemning the
horrors of socialism. This is just before Trump is set

(05:33):
to meet New York's incoming Democrats socialist mayor Zoron Mamdani.
Eighty six Democrats joined with Republicans no Republican voter to
oppose it. Speaker Mike Johnson House GOP leaders have been
very critical of this the mayor. Remember, New York City

(05:56):
is interesting. If you read there's a very dense but
good but dense. It's a project to read it. A
history of New York called Gotham, and it lays out
over its many many I think it's like a thousand pages.
I've got a copy of it here. It lays out
that New York is interesting as a city because it
really was. It wasn't founded as a like a colony

(06:21):
of a certain religion that was trying to escape persecution
in Europe.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
It did, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
You look at some of these stories of places like
Massachusetts and Pennsylvania and some of the early cities in Plymouth,
Rock and all of this, and there's a there's a
narrative that tends to play out different Christian sects but similarities.
New York was really founded in a sense as just
a mercantile and commercial hub. It's a city driven by capitalism,

(06:50):
a city driven by commerce, a city driven by money
and for and it's America's largest city by a large margin.
And for that city to have elected a socialist, an
open socialist, there is something here. It's different than Bernie Sanders.
I mean, let's be ian. Vermont is a quaint place.

(07:10):
I actually think Vermont's very beautiful. I'm very fond of it.
As a geography but very left wing Democrat. As you know,
Vermont has what's the population of Vermont. It's in the
hundreds of thousands. I don't even think it has a
million people. It's like eight hundred thousand or six hundred
thousand or something. You tell me, I don't know. Maybe
it's a million, maybe it's a million total. But that's

(07:31):
a very different things. You got your pretty mountains, and
you got your ice cream and your you know, your
maple syrup candy. And if Bernie Sanders a New York
Brooklyn guy who moved there.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's why he has the funny accent that don't puck
like this up in the green mountains of Vermonth.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's not how they sound. I mean, honestly, very few
people from Brooklyn sound like that either. But that's Bernie
kind of has a version of a Brooklyn accident. But
it's a very different thing when a small state that
the population of yeah, six thousand, six hundred fifty thousand hours.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
I was basically spot on.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Who needs chat GPT when you have buck GPT. This
is a very different thing. When the capital of commerce
for the whole world, really, which is New York City,
goes socialists. So I think a lot of people are
looking at this and saying that the optics of it,
the way it looks, the way it seems, is a

(08:33):
different thing, or even a more powerful thing than whether
mom Donnie is going to be able to implement some
of the socialist policies that he wants to. And I
think there's certainly an open, open question about that. I
think it's unlikely, in fact, that he will be able
to do so. I think it's very unlikely that he

(08:57):
will be able to do free buses. For example, one
thing that's a little bit well funny, a little sad,
but also funny. The bus is for a lot of
people are already free because they just get on and
don't pay. Just like the subway, the losses that the
New York City subway is currently taking from people turnstile
jumping every time I'm in New York and I go

(09:17):
take the subway, which I will be honest with you,
is rare. I used to be on the subway every
single day, years and years and years subway every single day,
multiple times a day. But I have been back a
couple of times and you see people just jumping the
turnstyle like it's no big deal. Middle of the day
people everywhere, no one cares turnstyle jumping. If you actually
add it up, it's a large sum of money that

(09:40):
the city of New York is losing to turnstile jumpers.
And I'm gonna say this, no one is struggling with
rent because of the price of riding the subway, then
no one is actually having financial difficulty because of that.
There's other things, but it's not because they didn't up
the turnstile because they needed to. It's a bit like

(10:02):
when AOC was telling everybody that those who are robbing
from CVS and Dwayne Reid and these drug store chains
in New York, maybe they were hungry and needed to
feed themselves.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
No, there's plenty of food banks. You can get food.
They're not stealing food.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
They're stealing and I know because my whole drug store
was locked down because of this. They're stealing razor blade cartridges.
They're stealing expensive, you know, skin care things or anything
that they can go and easily sell on eBay.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Or on the internet or even just on the street.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
That's what they want. They're stealing as a form of
making money illegally. They're not stealing because they're starving to death.
So you look at the way Momdani approaches things like,
you know, how he's going to help people with cost
of living, and he's just wrong on everything. He's wrong

(10:58):
across the board. It's not going to help infect it
will make things worse. And I do think it's interesting
because Trump can say that he met with this guy
and there's gonna be you know, it's they're gonna come
out of this. They both play to the cameras. Trump
is a master. As you all know, Trump is incredible
at how to craft that media narrative, Mom.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Donnie, that's really his skill set too.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
He's not good, he's never run a company, he's never
been a builder, but he's good at that as well,
in his own way. So they will come out from
this meeting today and they will be both setting up,
I think, what their expectations are for the city of
New York, and we'll see who ends up being more

(11:44):
correct on this one. And we're gonna watch this closely
because now this has been put in motion where it's
something that will be discussed as a preview and leading
up to I think might even grow as a conversation
about the midterms, who's going to be running your state

(12:04):
in the Senate, who's going to be representing your district
in Congress the mid terms and the direction of the
country as well. The Democrats are going to try very
hard to re establish their connection because they've really lost
it all they got too crazy with the DEI and
the trans kid stuff and all this. The Democrats are

(12:24):
going to try to go back to being a class
warfare party that cares about the working class because otherwise
they can't win these elections at the national level. Otherwise
they're going to be boxed out by MAGA and trump Ism.
So this is going to be a central fight the
cost of the things you need day to day, affordability.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I really think.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I know we're a year out, but it's going to
be the afford unless you know, who knows, crazy things
can happen, right, But it's set up to be the
affordability election. And who has better ideas is and who's
been doing more to try to bring down prices. So
that's what I see. That's my sense, my preview of
this Mamdani meeting. And we'll get well, we'll talk more

(13:11):
about this, and like I said on Monday, we'll have
the full readout of it. I can guarantee you this
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about meeting this guy, probably a few, but at least
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Speaker 2 (15:19):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
A horrific story out of Chicago, and we need to
have a discussion about it, because, first of all, the
media is up to their usual nonsense with what they're
willing to say, what they focus on. But let me
give you the the basics of the case. Here a woman,

(15:45):
a white woman, is in critical conditions still because on
Monday of this week, a black man named Lawrence Reid,
fifty years old, on the Chicago L train, which is

(16:07):
part of the Loop. I don't know Chicago well, so
this is not a city I can speak to with
a lot of personal knowledge. Chicago L Train. She was
just completely mining her own business and this guy walked
over to her, sprayed her with a bunch of flammable liquid,
and lit her on fire. About as horrifying a thing

(16:30):
as any of us could think would happen to anyone
in America on any given day. About as evil, grotesque,
and depraved as anything you will hear or read about.
And it should it should affect all of us, because

(16:51):
we can't have a society where this kind of thing happens.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
And you think about.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Where, let's say, the Democrat Party, the left in this country,
where they will consolidate their outrage. What really gets them
upset the coverage of this incident, as opposed to say,
the coverage of the hoax. Jesse smolette. They put a
noose around my neck and said mean things to me.
Think about the difference there. Think about the difference from

(17:22):
the Chicago Tribune, from the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN,
all of them, which one seemed like a bigger deal
to them based you had the biggest names in Democrat
politics wing in another incident in Chicago, Right, I'm trying
to compare another moment in Chicago where something we.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Were told ugly happened.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
It didn't actually happen at all, and it was obvious
from the start, but it was not even the same
universe of the ugliness of this. Okay, he had like
a mild bruise under one eye that he gave himself.
So you know, but what was more upsetting to the
Democrat intelligency? Know what was more worthy of your time
as a consumer of news according to CNN, according to

(18:07):
the New York Times in these places we all know
the answer. Well, here is the mayor of Chicago weighing
in on this. And remember he is the fact that
he was elected should be should just be upsetting to anybody.

(18:29):
Chicago has a violence problem, and they elected the guy
with the worst ideas the least accountability, the least accountability
for the criminals, the least accountability for the failures of
policing and the system. And he's just going to make
it worse, just gonna make it worse. And he has

(18:51):
been making it worse. I don't care what he says.
Well here he is, though, when when you have a
woman sitting there lit on fire and this is cut eleven,
play it well, I.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Can say is that as awful and as horrific as
this tragedy is, this is as an isolated incident. As
we continue to invest more in our public transportation system,
we want people to feel safe, as they write, and
so many working people rely on our public transportation system
across the city. And that's why I'm doing my part

(19:22):
to ensure that these investments are getting right to the.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
People investments are getting He's talking about investments, a woman
was let on fire, and he's talking about making sure
that we're redistributing the wealth the you know, communities.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
In need or whatever. This guy's an He is truly.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
An idiot and dangerous, dangerous, and people in Chicago who
voted for him should be ashamed of how dumb they
were in casting a vote for him. They really they should,
They should think about how lacking in wisdom they are,
how lacking they are in political judgment.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Does he sound upset about this at all? To you?

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Does he sound like he is trying to be a
leader who emotes on behalf of the horrified Chicagoans and
Americans who think about what it would be like if
that was their wife, daughter, sister, friend, colleague. No, but
you know what, I'm sure, I'm sure he would be

(20:27):
able to muster tremendous outrage if maybe we could get
some early reports of some career felon who was shot
by police, assuming the career felon's black, and assuming the
cops are not, if we could get him to weigh
in on an incident like that where there's an early

(20:49):
report that, oh my gosh, there was excessive force. Oh,
he'd be pounding the table. He would be outraged. It's
not outraged at all. Sounds very calm talking about a
woman in his city being lit on fire, almost died
by burning to death, and reportedly the people around her
didn't render any aid. She managed to eventually get aid.

(21:13):
People helped douse the flames, and then first responders showed up. Now,
the leadership of Chicago as abysmal. As you know, there
is no real leadership, and the race politics of Chicago
when it comes to crimes like this one are very apparent,
which is, you know, imagine this. Anytime there's anything that

(21:35):
the BLM left wants to get upset about it, imagine
if we just said isolated incident every time I said,
you know what's interesting, though, they are isolated incidents that
BLM talks about. But if you just dismissed it as
an isolated incident, they would the Left would lose their minds.
They would they'd burn things, well, they'd burn things down anyway,
and you'd have Kamala and Pelosi and Schumer and all

(21:57):
of them. Oh my gosh, Oh this is why we
have to come to grips with the racism in this country. Meanwhile,
we have another absolutely heinous incident of a black man,
a career criminal we're about to get into that, who
did something completely horrific, unprovoked, out of nowhere to a
white woman who was on mass transit, just like what

(22:18):
happened to Irena. I remember that happened the same week,
if my memory is correct. As the Charlie Kirk assassination.
So that fell fell away, But was it in North Carolina?
Right North Carolina? On the see you see how quickly
these events come and go. She stabs so viciously in
the neck, and she looks around and she's completely terrified

(22:41):
and distraught and alone because some maniac stabs her in
the neck. And we all sit here and say, if
it were a black woman who was on that train
stab in the neck, or if it were a black
woman who was on the L train and was lit
on fire and it was by a white guy who
was a career criminal, we would be honestly, we'd be
worried about entire neighborhoods of cities burning down, as we know.

(23:01):
But that's not the that's not the the demographic truth
of what happened in these situations. And so there's there's
just oh, it's just another you know, icelt it instant,
random thing, happens, stance, It just sort of happened. Well,
could it have been prevented? The answer is yes, it
should have been proven. Could have it should have been prevented.

(23:23):
And to that I bring you this New York Times.
Here's how the New York Times writes about this man
just man.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Again.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
If it were a white man who did this to
a black woman, it would be the biggest story in
the country by far. We would have marches in the street.
But irrespective, it could just be a lunatic, right, it
could just be and maybe that's the case here.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
But if we're just dealing with.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Somebody who's like a drug addict, paranoid, schizophrenic. New York Times,
biggest part of it would be a white a white
on black crime. That would make it a really big story.
But because it's a black guy who did to a
why woman, they do not have any interest. Man just
man charge with terrorism after woman again, no description, no

(24:11):
descriptor there set on fire on Chicago train. Chicago's facing
federal terrorism charges. Lawrence red facing one kind of committing attack.
I go through this and it gives you a blow
by blow of this horrific insa. This woman's fighting for
her life in the hospital. I mean, there's almost some

(24:32):
of you know this because you've worked in hospitals, you
have medical training, or you served in the military and
you saw what severe burns can do to people. There's
really nothing nothing more painful on the planet than severe burns. Truly,
nothing more painful. So what she's going through is agonizing
beyond words and beyond really our most horrific reckonings. It's

(24:55):
it's disgusting, beyond words. It's horrible that she's being put
through the But you know what they don't mention in
this entire New York Times piece, This is like, uh,
I don't know, maybe it's five hundred words on what happened.
This was the main piece that comes to the New
York Times that this guy who the black man named

(25:16):
Reid Lawrence, who lit this woman on fire for absolutely
no reason. Just there's a white woman, I'm gonna go
light her on fire. That is what happened. And he
said the B word. Apparently that's reported as well. He
had been arrested seventy times seven zero seventy times. Do

(25:39):
you think that maybe the system in Chicago after the
tenth arrest might have said, this guy has got a problem,
he's a danger with the public.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Do you think do you think okay for oh no,
that's too harsh.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Do you think after the twentieth arrest we could decide
that this guy's not actually about to found the next Google.
He's not actually working on his dissertation. He's not a
family man who's just trying to make ends meet. No, maybe, okay,
what about the fiftieth arrest? Five zero, the fiftieth the rest.
Do you think that the prosecutor in that case and

(26:12):
the judge might have said to themselves, you know, I
think we have a problem. We may have a public
safety threat here. He's been arrested fifty times. But no,
they had to wait until the seventieth. The seventieth arrest.
He is a violent criminal history. Let me add that

(26:33):
to violent criminal history of assaulting women. So it was
on the seven you know, seventieth times a charm apparently,
where they're actually going to do something they're actually going
to take seriously. Now, all were throwing federal terrorism charges.
What so they can they can they can pretend like

(26:58):
they didn't miss the ball on this entirely the whole time.
You can be arrested seventy times in America and still
be out on the street. Think about that for a moment.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago, who's not outraged about that? No, no, no, Now.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Far more outraged about Donald Trump trying to bring in
National Guard to prevent things like this from happening to
help people feel safer on the streets. But we all
know where this comes from. We all understand this mentality.
The Democrats decided that there are too many men of

(27:32):
color who are in prison, and so the policy had
to change. And they couldn't get away with changing the
laws that have disproportionate impact on communities of color, like
you can't, you know, murder, steal, light people on fire.
You know, there's a disproportionate impact that exists from these
criminal laws. So what do they do. They say, well,

(27:53):
let's let's just stop locking people up for it. We'll
arrest them, but let's you know, the prisons are too crowded.
We need to let more people out. And you can't
lock anybody up for being completely criminally insane either. We
can't take them off the streets.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
We have to wait.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
They can do a lot of crazy things and break
a lot of laws, but we have to wait until
they do something as heinous as any of us could
ever imagine a human being doing lighting. Think about lighting,
and this is the person on fire, and this is
also you know your case like this and I'm like,
this is and then all people say, Buck, how could
you your Catholic whatever. No, this is why I say,
I think we do have to have a death penalty

(28:32):
in this country, and I think we have to use
it a.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Lot more, a lot more.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
The criminals are not getting the message. It's not getting through.
They're not first timers who made a mistake. Oh but
you know, may Or branded all the the Chicago subways
say oh, he's going to have you know, six hundred
something murders in his city this year, but oh, the
L train is safe. It's appalling, appalling, how these leftist

(29:01):
ideologues with their view of crime. And I worry, you know,
I'm already thinking about how this could translate to mom
Donnie in New York. Is he going to be like
Brandon Johnson. I think it's very possible. He certainly sounds
like he will. We don't know yet. But their ideology
results in horrible things happening to people. It's because they

(29:22):
refuse to hold individuals accountable, in large part because of
their view of racial justice in this country. They will
not hold people accountable, and people die, and people get
lit on fire, and they don't stop it, they don't change.
That's the price of doing business in their cities the
way they want to. So, as Trump is meeting with

(29:43):
Mom Donnie today, keep this in mind. This stuff has
consequences for real people. That has consequences for everybody in
Chicago who's got to sit there and think now.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
But just like.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Everybody on the on the light rail in Charlotte after
what happened to Irena, don't worry you're safe. That's an
isolated incident. Really, I was in Taiwan. How many people
do you think have been lit on fire on the
subway of ty in Taiwan this past year, or stabbed
in the neck or punched in the face or thrown
in front of them none? Huh, it's weird, you mean,

(30:17):
we don't have to live in a society where criminals
get coddled and are treated like it's not their fault.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Enough is enough? All right?

Speaker 1 (30:28):
This stuff gets me firedup because I've lived in cities
where this madness happens, and I'm sick of it.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
And it's horrible what happens to these victims.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's not kind to be kind to those who are
violating people and doing terrible things.

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Speaker 2 (31:57):
We have a much to discuss.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
So as we remember from a couple of days ago,
the Democrats just looking to mess around and find out
with Trump. I guess they put out this video and
I'm just going to say, we could have just done
a whole segment or two right away with how many

(32:21):
of you in the military or current reformer military, how
many veterans listening were so ticked off about this? Mark
Kelly Alyssa Slotkin, who.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Again, I could say it because I was in CIA too.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I mean, you know, it's a very different thing serving
the agency and serving the military. But anyway, she was
part of this video. I guess it's because they're including the.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Intelligence community in the illegal orders.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
So yeah, they they may put out this video. It's
like you don't have to do war crimes. That's basically
what they were saying, right, you don't have to do
terrible things if you're ordered to do so, to which
everyone on the sane side of things immediately was saying, yeah, no,
they know that, they know that. Wouldn't it be really

(33:10):
off putting if you sat down at Thanksgiving, at Thanksgiving
dinner and one of your relatives, you know, your your
great uncle mort sat down with you and was like,
you know, you don't have to murder anybody. You'd say,
Uncle mort we got it, we got it, don't worry.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Okay, thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
But imagine if you kind of kept yelling it at you,
you'd be like, uncle Morton needs a nap, Like something's
wrong with this guy.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
We did not.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Need to hear from these individuals, and we did not
need the lecture. Now, Trump responded to this. Trump's response
to the unlawful orders was it was very, very trumpy,
And he said, I'm trying to give you the exact

(33:55):
verbiage here.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I remember what it was.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
President Trump called a group of Democrats traders on Thursday
and suggested that they should be locked up. And then
this is the part I'm reading from this uh and
and punished with death. Here we go. Okay, here's here's
the truth social post. That is what I'm trying to find. Now,
I'm quoting from Trump, not some description of it. This

(34:18):
is really bad and dangerous to our country. Their words
cannot be allowed to stand. Seditious behavior from traders, Lock
them up, question mark Trump posted on truth Social. He
later posted a message that said, seditious behavior punishable by death. Now,
as a matter of course, uh, you can actually be

(34:39):
under our federal laws, you can be.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Executed for treason.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I don't know if you can be executed for seditious,
sedition or citizens conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Guys, I have to check.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
I'm not a lawyer, and this is federal statute stuff,
and these are federal statutes. But for treason, certainly you
can be uh. And there have been people U didn't
we Well, we executed the Rosenbergs, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg
for their nuclear espionage, and there have been some others.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
No, we didn't execute Hansen for his betrayal. Anyway, the
people have been executed for some version of betraying the country.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Treason.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
You know, it is possible in the extreme circumstances. The
president also reposted several messages on the social media platform
from users attacking the lawmakers in the video, including one
user who wrote, hang them, George Washington would. In response
to Trump's post, Democrat lawmakers issued a joint statement calling
Trump's reaction telling, Okay, so now we get to have

(35:43):
they picked this fight over the video. Trump, They're not
going to be prosecuted for this. Trump knows that. Everybody
knows that. But he's ticked off and he let it
fly a little bit, and nothing's going to happen to
them of a legal kind.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
I think what they did is disgraceful.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
I think that now, okay, if somebody was sayding me buck,
but that's we should we should try to bring some
kind of a charge. Technically, all they said is what
the law says, so there is no charge that you
can bring against them. Their intent, though, the intention of

(36:22):
the video is to undermine the commander in chief, undermine
the chain of command, undermine the American people's trust and
faith in this military under the Trump administration. We're very
clear on what the intent is. But they're operating in
this gray area where you can say you do not
have to you know, you do not have to obey

(36:45):
an unlawful order. Now, to be clear, nothing Trump said,
and I think this is where he's being very trumpy
about this. Nothing Trump said violates the law either. He
just said, seditious behavior punishable by death. That is a
statement of fact. Seditious behavior can be punishable by death.

(37:08):
So they respond with fact, or rather they start with
facts that are intended to have a certain response. Trump
responds with the fact, which is that you can, in
fact be executed for treason, which is meant to be
a brush back pitch at these annoying Democrats. Now they

(37:30):
are doing what they do, running with this. Oh, all
kinds of hysteria.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Do you get do you?

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I sometimes I feel like you should hear it, just
so you've heard it. But with Chuck Schumer, do I
want to put you through this?

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
You know what we can eat?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Chuck Schumer, he's he's he's having another moment. He's all upset.
This is cut one play it.

Speaker 7 (37:52):
Donald Trump shared a post on truth social calling for
Democratic members of Congress to be hanged. He also posted
a message that said, seditious behavior punishable by death. Let's
be crystal clear. The president of the United States is
calling for the execution of elected officials. This is an
outright threat, and it's deadly serious. We've already seen what

(38:16):
happens when Donald Trump tells his followers that his political
opponents or enemies.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Of the state.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Every time Donald Trump posts things like this, he makes
political violence more likely. None of us should tolerate this
kind of behavior. We all remember what January sixth was like.
When Donald Trump uses the language of execution and treason,
some of his supporters may very well listen.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Now. Now we are being told that the risk of
political violence because of right wing rhetoric. A left wing
maniac assassinated Charlie Kirk, a left wing maniac almost stated
President Trump a left wing maniac. He shot President Trump.

(39:05):
A left wing maniac shot and almost assassinated Steve Scalise
in about a dozen other Republican members of Congress. Back
in twenty eighteen on that Alexandria baseball field, another random
maniac of the left, big you know, Slava Ukraine guy
tried to kill Trump at his golf course. As we know,

(39:25):
you go down this list. Conservatives can't show up at college.
Can show me one time a left wing speaker has
shown up at campus and it was conservative like the
college Republicans were throwing rocks and threats and doing crazy
things at the top.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
It doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
The political rhetoric is not equivalent on both sides, and
the political violence is not equivalent on both sides, and
efforts to pretend otherwise are simply dishonest. That's where we
just have to come down on this one. It's very
clear Senator Mark Kelly, who was in this video here,
he is trying to explain himself why was he a

(40:04):
part of it?

Speaker 2 (40:05):
By this guy's just.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
I've always been You know, this is this thing where, yes,
of course we respect the choice to make for people
to serve, but the people that used their service as
this shield of no one's allowed to criticize me. Do
you do you know that I've served, Well, we're criticizing
you in your role as a United States senator, you

(40:29):
know or not, we're not. You know, this is where
you see this with democrats. I'm just gonna say, you
see this with democrats. They'll find the rare democrat who
actually took some risks to their own safety in military service,
get them to run, and then anyone who criticized it.
Do you realize that I served? Yeah, we know, we know.

(40:53):
Here is Senator Mark Kelly cut forward play it.

Speaker 8 (40:55):
He has talked about sending troops into more US cities,
talked about invoking the Insurrection Act. You don't have to
go too far back to his first administration, or in
twenty twenty, he went to his Secretary of Defense and
he asked the question. He said, can't we just shoot
these protesters in the legs? That is an example of

(41:16):
an illegal order if it was given. He didn't give
the order, but it's obviously rattling around in his head.
He's got these ideas, and these are dangerous ideas. What
he said today again was a dangerous idea.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
And yet where does the violence come from? Democrats?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Somehow the dangerous ideas are Trump's. They call him a
Nazi all the time. They say that fascism has descended
upon America. They claim that we are Nazis, So then
violence against this is justified. That could not otherwise. Why
not say we're Stalinists, Why not say we're Maoists. Well, actually,
because they like Stalinists and MAOIs because that's ideologically where
they come from. But uh, you know, there are other

(41:59):
terrible people out there in history.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
But Nazis. We all know the Nazis.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
You know, we fire bombed their cities, We unleashed devastation
on them, and it was deserved. That War's hell, they
started it, they wanted it, they got it. But we
were allowed to kill Nazis and it was a moral,
a moral act to fight against the Nazis with violence.

(42:26):
And therefore by calling us Nazis, they're just convincing themselves.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
One, they're always morally.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
In a superior position to us, no matter what the issue,
no matter what they've done, which is of course a lie,
but that's what they do.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
And Two, if some of their more.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Radical elements decide to engage in violence, including assassinations of
top conservatives, including the would be assassination of the President
of the United States, well, by their own logic, aren't
they stopping a fascists? Aren't they stopping the rise of Hitler?
An they stopping Nazism? This is this is the very
dangerous way that they engage day in and day out

(43:11):
in political discourse in this country. And now they're gonna
lecture us because Trump didn't like this video. Please, it's
not happening it's just not it just that they don't
even they don't even make.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Us budge on it with this stuff. Oh, Mark Kelly,
give me a break.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
And the others who are in the video too. It's
it's amazing to me to see the people that the
Democrats put forward as their version of like the manliest
men or the ones that no, something's off. There's always
something off, because you know, you really, you really can't
be somebody that men that you can't be a man

(43:51):
that other men hold in high regard in terms of
your uh, you know, the way that guys look at
each other. If you're also going to be like, you know,
I really do think we need to be transing those
twelve year olds. I really think we need to give
them the hormones and everything that no, no normal guys,
normal dudes. They see that, they go, I don't care

(44:12):
what plane you flew or where you flew it or
what you were doing. That's weird and you're being a
weirdo and you won't stand up to this. So you're
you know, you're Mark Kelly, you know you care so
much about the Republic. You're by the way, he's bitter
because they they talked about him as the Kamala VP
as you remember when Kamala was going to be the nominal,
When Kamala was a nominee, Mark Kelly was right right

(44:35):
up there.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
So, uh, he's gonna run.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I think he's going to be in that in that
pool of people. But he's not a likable guy. He's
all it's all resume with that guy. He doesn't come
across as anybody. He's not inspirational. He's kind of surly
and U he I mean, he has no national political future,
but I think that's why he's kind of kind of
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Always a pleasure to have you here.

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Thanks, Matt, really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
What's gonna happen in Venezuela? Let me tell you, I
just tell me.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
You want to skip to the end of the movie, Like,
what's going on here? We're blowing up these boats in
the Caribbean, the narco boats. Ven Azuela as a narco state,
which I think needs to be more part of the conversation.
The leadership there makes a lot of money off of
the export of fentanyl out of their country and into
our country, also cocaine, heroin, other stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, what are we doing with these strikes? You think?
And where's this going?

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Yeah, it's it is. It is fascinating, Like it's a
little bit obviously now no point intended, uncharted waters and
what are we up to above eighty individuals killed so
far as these strikes, I think, But setting aside, you know,
the legalities of all of this and just looking at

(47:45):
it from an operational perspective, you know, it comes down to, okay, well,
you know, if you believe that the intelligence is credible
and that you know the targeting is is well thought through,
do I have a problem with going after narco traffickers? No,
I don't. We spent decades, right, I was involved in

(48:08):
in the drug wars while I was with the agency,
spent a lot of time in counting narcotics operations in
parts of the world, and they always called it a
war on drugs, and it never really was right in
the sense that we never really had a chance to
win it. You could destroy the facility, you know, a
cooking house, a warehouse somewhere, interdict a large shipment, and

(48:33):
it never really impacted anything. Didn't affect the street price,
didn't affect how much gear was stored in warehouses around
the world, in part because yeah, you've got the demand issue,
and we've never been good at dealing with the demand
side of things. So now we're calling it a war
on drugs, and it is actually looking like a war
on drugs. The other part of this question is what

(48:57):
are we doing with Venezuela? And I have to assume
that the massive military build up in the Caribbean, which
is outsized for a counter narcotics efforts or war on drugs,
is all about putting pressure on Maduro and more importantly,
probably putting pressure on those around him to convince someone

(49:22):
or a group of individuals there, or advisors or military
senior officers, whomever, that it's time for Maduro to go.
So I have to assume that that is if we're
operating on two tracks here. Now.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
I don't know if you saw this part of it, Mike,
but to me, I was concerned, Okay, do we want
to be even if the side effect of let's say,
US operations against the cartels is the toppling of them,
of the Dua regime.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
People worry about that regime change situation. We've seen that
go badly elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
But then I saw him Duro singing the John Lennon
song Imagine, and I was like, this guy's gotta go
because that's the worst song.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
In the world.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Exactly, not only that it was the worst rendition of
the worst song ever true. So yeah, I think, look
it is Well, maybe I'll be proven wrong on this.
It is highly unlikely that we're going into Venezuela militarily too,

(50:32):
in a direct conflict with the Venezuelan government and military
to oust Maduro. Right, So I think the hope for
scenario again is this pressure campaign. He probably won't leave
on his own volition, but others may convince him that
that's the only thing he can do. So you look

(50:54):
at that and you say, okay, fine, you're right. Regime
change is a very ugly thing. But this is not
This is not Libya, not Iraq in the sense that
I'm not calling for regime change. What I'm saying is
they're not apples to apples, Right, So you've got a
legitimate opposition government that's sitting out there Maduro, and you know, everybody,

(51:19):
even people on the left, we are going to have
to look at this and go, yeah, the evidence shows
that Maduro stole that election outright, So you do have
an opposition in waiting now, whether you know, there's a
sense of survivability on the part of the senior military
there in Venezuela and they say, okay, now it's time
to work with the opposition because we want to save

(51:40):
our own asses. I don't think a transition necessarily would
be a you know, sort of this ugly scene that
we've seen elsewhere played out sometimes when you get regime
change and then it just all heads south.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
So we've got this Operation Southern Spear is the name
of it. A build up of American names force is
in the Caribbean, the largest since the Cuban Missile crisis
and the blockade of Cuba in nineteen sixty two. The
gerald Ford aircraft carrier is now in the Caribbean, which
I think is our biggest carrier. It is fifteen thousand
troops in the region. You know, Marco Rubio has a well,

(52:19):
it's gonna say he has a large role. He has
many large roles.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Actually in this administration he has more than one role.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
But he is a I think, a dedicated anti communist
in the best sense, and that includes the regime in Cuba.
If we do get a major, let's say the major
regime instead toppling makes it sound like we did it.
What if it implodes, What if it crumbles and is
no longer in a position or no longer willing to
subsidize the Cuban government with a whole lot of oil

(52:48):
without which Cuba is basically screwed. Feels like there's a
chance for a two for one here, Mike, look at that.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
It's a Black Friday sale. Yeah, you know, it could happen.
And you're absolutely right to point out this is not
happening in a bubble, meaning it's not just Venezuela and US,
you know, staring each other down. Russia in China certainly, Cue,
but they've all got a stake in this, right, and
and even Iran, right Madurell has been you know, been

(53:19):
turning to Iran even for you know, hope, for support,
trying to say, look at this with the imperialist dogs
are doing to you. Uh so there are other people
that play here. When when folks talk about, you know,
the US is doing this simply for Venezuela's resources, Okay,
that's that old trope that we always get right. Oh

(53:40):
they're they're moving into a rock because of the oil.
They're doing that. Oh God, you know you hear that
one more time. I Mean, I've had conversations recently where,
you know, some a couple of people, very intelligent people,
but they were completely convinced that this you know, cartel
of the suns that keeps getting referred to as the
kind of the pseudo organization that exists as a narco

(54:03):
trafficking network, you know, sponsored by the state in Venezuela,
that was a product of creation from the CIA.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
I had to listen to a conversation about that, and
again from smart people. But you get these these things
to get rolled out and you look and you think, okay,
is there even any reason to respond to that, right,
because you just give it credibility.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
So but I do, well, I always I always have
to point out to people, Mike that you know, people
who who get into this lane, they.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Can either either the CIA is.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
A bunch of Machiavellian geniuses that can do anything anywhere
in the world whenever they want, or they're completely useless
and incompetent. They can't have both though, right, Like, they
can't be super geniuses who could do anything anywhere and
they're totally worthless. Because I've heard that from people, I'm like,
I think those things go in contradiction.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Yeah, no, they do, they do. And but usually what
I hear is that, yeah, somehow the CIA is responsible
for everything, and and you know, but it's always and
then you know, typically followed backfilled by the idea that
you know, the US should not ever do anything ever.
You know, overseas, we have no right to do anything anywhere,
and you know, somehow then we would just have this
peaceful community of nations. And you know, anyhow, I don't

(55:12):
want to disappear down that that rabbit hole, but I
guess I was about to. But yeah, the problem with
with Venezuela is that you do have other players there.
The Russians have a big stake and in this they
don't want to see this turn. You know, they certainly
would at this time when they're losing influence in a
variety of ways. You know, the idea that they would

(55:33):
lose an important foothold in our backyard doesn't sit well
with putin. China's then playing out there purely for their
own self interest in terms of getting their hands on
the resources, like we get accused of, but nobody ever
mentions that about the Chinese regime. So there's a lot
of play here. I just don't think that what we're

(55:55):
looking at, And again maybe I'll be proven wrong, but
I don't believe the White House strategy it's going to
be to put the military into Venezuela for a direct
conflict with the government in the military.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
One thing, I'm gonna do a little bit of a
pivoty here, Mike you I for anyone's seening you on
Fox or your podcast, the PDB podcast, which is fantastic
and people should go check it out. You look like
what I think a lot of people think a secret
agent man looks like. And you've got the square jaw,
all American. You know, you're you're a manly man. And
the American young men, or rather American young men, are

(56:31):
increasingly wanting people, or they want the society around them
to stop making them feel like being a man is
a bad thing. The Democrats are unable to reach these
young men because of the way they've.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Talked about toxic masculinity and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Pete Hegsett has gone into the Pentagon and has really
just refocused on war fighting and also, let's be honest,
the kind of on a bashed masculinity in the way
we fight wars. Is there a way to make the
CIA badass or at least less uh, you know, less
sort of smarmy bureaucrat than it is right now? I'm

(57:11):
wondering how you feel about that, because we could use
some help.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah, no, you know, well, I mean, look, you know
this as well. You know better than I do that
the Agency is a is a real mix, right. You've
got all sorts of folks, you know, banging around the
corridors there and then our places overseas, and you know, look,
it takes all types. But I agree one hundred percent

(57:35):
with the idea that we need to we need to
be focused with a risk. The agency is a risk
taking organization, so damn it, we should act like one,
and we we don't need but the Directorate of the Administration
plays an important role. It's a very important directorate, right.
I know a lot of good people there. They keep
the trains running on time, they do a lot of things.

(57:56):
But but you know, we kind of disappeared down the
same rabbit hole that a lot of bureaucracies did over
the past handful of years, imagining somehow that we we
were like a corporate culture. And that's that's not helpful
to to a risk taking organization. So yeah, I'm trying

(58:18):
to be a little bit delicate. I have I you know,
I have a lot of good friends over there, and
I know summer on kind of both sides of this issue,
and I get it. But I would like to see
a return to a real risk taking mindset. You know
what it's like, right, I mean we were there.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah, it's it's critical for morale.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
I mean, you know, if you can make if you
can make all this money, then if you can come
out of school and make you know, two hundred and
three hundred grand at Google, Like why why go work
at Langley if you're going to be like lectured and
hounded over DEI nonsense and like trends identification day all
the time. I mean that's what I hear from the
people over there.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Yeah, yeah, you got to get you got to move
that out right. And again I keep going back to
the same thing. Look, we saw cycles, right. If you
if you get your ass kicked up on Capitol Hill
because an operation or a direction that you're going in
goes bad, then suddenly you know that risk versus gain
calculation recalibrates, and then you get a period of time

(59:20):
where management doesn't want to put their head over the
wall because they don't want to get their ass kicked
again up on Capitol Hill, and so you don't take
the risks, right, and then eventually that recalibrates because the
world requires it you know some issues somewhere means you
got to get back on tracks.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Well, basically, Mike, we're going to need you to be
the Pete Hegsath of the CIA. But that's a whole
other we'll have you back for that conversation. But you
got to go in there and crack some skulls and
kick some masses and make make spies great again. But
Mike Baker, everybody go check.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Out to that effect, write a note to that effect,
send it to the White House, and I'd be happy
to pack my role.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I'll let them know.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
I'll let them know, Mike Baker. Everybody go check out
the PDV podcast. Mike, Mike, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Of course, man take it.

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