November 23, 2025 • 25 mins
When you become a parent. Buck’s one TV in the home rule. Joe Flacco clip that resonates with men everywhere on eating alone. Is AI replacing jobs? Paul Rudd doesn’t age. Fake accents. Sunday Hang feedback.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
It starts now.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
There was a period you may find this to be true,
although streaming has altered the trajectory of this a bit.
Laura and I saw every movie, and then we had kids,
and there was like nine years where we just didn't
go to the movie theater very often. So there's about
a nine or ten year gap there where my boys
were really young and streaming had not become the case
where you could easily get every movie at home nowadays,
(00:40):
like with you guys like I don't know what are
movies in theaters for three weeks and then you can
basically watch them whenever you want.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I used to only carry and I used to sit
and when we're done for the day. I'm very I'm
very I share this with people. I just think that
you know, one it depends how big your house is.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Our house is not.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Very big, but one TV should be enough, Like there's
a TV that you go to to watch. I know,
people get very mad at me for this, very mad
at me, but I just think one TV is enough.
But we had our one TV in the living room
and we would watch at night. And now Clay that
I'm fully into the parent thing here. What I find
is that when I'm done changing diapers and one ESI's
(01:21):
and and all that sort of stuff, cleaning up after dinner,
sometimes I just want to sit in the couch and
the baby's gone to bed, I just want to sit
on the couch in silence, just like just be there,
just be present and not have to do anything for
like ten minutes, for like ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
We need to grab the Joe Flacco clip that went
viral yesterday. Joe Flacco is now the quarterback of the
Cleveland Browns, and I think a lot of people out
there will understand it. He's got I think five kids
or something now and sorry. He was the quarterback Cleveland Browns,
now the quarterback in Cincinnati Bengals. And they said, hey,
is it hard your family's still in New Jerseys, Like,
is it hard you know, living away from them? And
(02:00):
Eddie paraphrased, he said, you know, when I was a
younger guy, I would go out to a restaurant or
a bar, and I would see a guy sitting there
by himself having a meal or having a drink, and
I would think, man, that guy must be the saddest
person on the planet. And he said, now he's like,
I am that guy out at the bar and I
got to order the restaurant. He's like, I gotta tell you,
it's it's it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Oh, it's amazing. Oh my god, I didn't know about
the You gotta find this clip. Yeah, I just had
like this clip. When I visited you in Nashville. I
just had uh or you know, we met up before
we went to Woo. I sat at a place in
the gulch, sat alone at the bar. It's magnificent. I
just ordered exactly what I wanted. No one bothered me.
It was just so nicely anything.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I will tell you, when you become a dad or
a mom and you got big families everywhere and you're
out and you eat one meal, you're like, man, food's
cheap because you're not paying for five or six people
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That Also, I did not get hit with pureade peas
anywhere during this experience, so it was interesting. I want
to hear this because I have not heard it yet
this Joe Flacco wisdom about eating alone, Play thirty five.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I think there's always a challenge of sitting in a
room by yourself and being lonely. So for me, it's
trying to find ways to maybe stay over here a
little bit longer, and then, you know, just kind of
take myself out of that mindset, call home, go sit
at a restaurant by myself and realize that, man, that's
pretty enjoyable to do, you know, after there's not too
(03:33):
many situations, I tell you, I tell people all the time,
and I used to see guys sitting at a bar
by themselves, or you know, just sitting by themselves, eating
and grabbing a little meal, and like, man, I feel
so bad for that guy. You almost want to go
join them. And now I realize, like that dude was
in heaven.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And not to say.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
That's that's obviously not what I want. I I'd rather
be at home, sitting at the dinner table with my
kids and hearing what the hell they were talking about
all day. But there are but but if you have
to do it, then you might as well take advantage
of it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Dinner alone at a bar is a great thing. Once
in a while, eat family, eat, you know, have family
dinner every night you can. But if you're on the
road for work, Clay, I gotta tell you, it's very peaceful,
it's very nice.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's also so much more affordable. I've been on the
road a lot for work and I will get a
nice take and a nice you know, maybe a nice
old fashion with it, and you know, some big fry
steak fries, and I get the bill and I'm like, man,
this is this is It's amazing, just because when you're
used and I know a lot of people out there
know what I'm talking about, when you're used to paying
(04:41):
for the entire family to go anywhere, it's super expensive.
And uh yeah, it's not a bad not a bad
thing there.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Uh Heaven. As Joe Flacco might say, Sunday, hang with
Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
We just had the call Christy. Was it Christy who
called in from from Utah? She was talking about the
job market she works in HR and the challenges that
she is seeing. I'm sure that many of you who
are looking for jobs have seen the same thing. Here's
what I think is going on, Buck, and you can
sign on or not sign on to this. I think
(05:12):
that AI is going to be incredibly transformative for many
different companies out there. And I actually think that some
of the jobs that are being pushed aside right now
are actually more white collar than blue collar in nature.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
And so there are certain jobs.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Let's say you're a plumber right now, I don't think
there's AI plumbing that is taking away your job. I
don't think that if you're a roofer, there's AI roofing
that is changing what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Truck driving, so far, all those.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Things quote unquote blue collar jobs, working with your hands
in some sort of factory. I think there are a
lot of thought related so called white collar jobs. Then
a lot of companies are just not filling right now
because they don't know necessarily how quickly AI is going
to advance and eliminate a lot of these jobs. And
(06:09):
so I think there's a bit of an inversion in
the job market where there are a lot of people
who felt very confident, Hey, I'm always going to have
a job, and I talk about this with my boys
even now. I buck I think a lot of lawyers
are going to be losing their jobs in the years ahead,
because when I graduated law school, you had twenty five
year old lawyers who would sit in front of a
(06:30):
computer screen and would be looking through documents and flagging
the relevant documents and all these things, billing hundreds of dollars.
That's going to become automated. I think a lot of
these consulting jobs that people got, a lot of these
investment banking jobs, they are remember the super skilled.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
If you remember share In the Timeless classic, Clueless gets
into trouble with the mean associate lawyer because she highlights
the June ninth calls or whatever, and she's supposed to
highlight the June fifth calls. But in the nineties you
had lawyers who were making hundreds and hundreds of dollars
an hour doing stuff like that, going through phone records.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Not even just the nineties, I mean until recently.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Uh the once you start to use AI as a tool,
and I would recommend that all of you do so
for your own lives.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
As a tool.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Look, I'll tell you, and it tells you don't do this,
or rather it doesn't say don't do this, it says
don't rely on this. I've uploaded my blood work to GROC.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
To try to get ideas for health for.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Like because because the doctor, you know, the doctor, as
you all know, you go in there. For the most part,
you get you get your five minutes with the doctor.
Here's the big problem, here's this whatever. I'm like, well,
what about this? What about that? I'm always a person
who I have more questions than the doctor wants to answer.
I can sit there and ask. Now, groc will tell
you it's not a doctor. Same thing with Gemini and
(07:50):
these other you know, uh chat ept and so you
should always consult with your doctor. But if you're just
you know, so there's that disclaimer. But it is amazing
the detailed information, factual information you can get on these things.
But do you remember that scene from Clueless, right, oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
A great movie.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And he's like he's like, you do what you want
with your butts. I'm calling in sick. And then she's
like so sad. And then she gets romantic with her stepbrother,
which I feel like everyone is just a little too
okay with in that movie. Remember that played by Paul
rud Josh. Yeah, Josh is the stepbrother and they're playing
smoochy smooch. But it's like, that's your stepbrother. I think
(08:28):
that's weird.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Do you think that Paul Rudd is maybe one of
the people who has least aged in the last thirty
five years. I mean, I don't know what he does,
but if you look at him in basically his entire
acting career, he doesn't look very different now than he
did all the way back. He's basically looked thirty for
about thirty five years.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
That sounds about right, probably, Yeah, yeah, he's not going
at Tom Cruise level where you're like, what what alien
science experiments are being run to make him still look
like he should be running around doing fly kicks when
the guy's like my dad's age.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
But yeah, sure, right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
What Let me ask you this though, do you sign
on to my idea that AI initially is having more
of an upper middle class job impact than it is
lower You know, when I say class, I mean like
what your salary is.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It's an enormous white collar. It's an enormous efficiency tool
for bureaucratic and paper shuffling kind of work. And so
there are a lot of people who work on who
have jobs where that.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Is their job. What is the job really entail?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
It entails doing, you know, doing research for things, going
through things, finding things, well now you can upload a
you know, you can upload one hundred thousand pages if
you want to into some of these AI programs, and
it will give you every citation or every every statistical
example of whatever you're looking for and can do it
(10:00):
in a couple of minutes. So you think about the
time savings. We actually talked to doctor Marty McCay about
this and what's going on with the FDA. Yeah, for
massive medical trials, you know, which they do these big
you know, ten year, fifteen thousand person data sets and
all this this is gonna make that No, that's just
a I think that's nothing but upside. But to your
(10:22):
point about some of these jobs. And here's what we
had an HR A lady from HR calling before, right,
just saying that out loud. I feel like I'm about
to get in trouble for something.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, right, We're gonna get in HR lady call for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So it's just gonna be honest, Clay and I have
existed in the world where you never want to hear
from the HR lady.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
I'm just gonna it's like, you know, especially.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
If it's a lady, I don't know, You're just gonna
get where it just means that we said something might
have been a joke that was made.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Might Does anyone get excited when the phone rings and
they're like, hey, it's HR. You're like, oh no, Like
there's nobody out there listening to us right now. That's
like I've been waiting for this call. Thank the Lord.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I'm so a little bit like what I get my
when I get a letter that says Internal Revenue Service
on it.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
I'm never like, oh sweet, I want to open this one.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So now I understand HR people are probably all very
annoyed with us right now and would not hire us,
But they would say, what about when I have the
amazing news of giving somebody their dream job? And of
course that is a This was like what Clay the
one the one season of high school soccer I coached.
The greatest thing was the joy on the faces of
the kids who wanted to make the team so bad
(11:30):
and were marginal who.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Made it that there we had.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I had a couple of like stuperstars who were going
to go play in college, but I had two or three.
I was like, well, these kids are you know, they're
they're like better than I ever was, and they're freshmen
and then you know, there were kids that were marginal.
That was the greatest thing. The worst thing was the
kids who teared up when they were close and didn't
make it and I had to tell them, you know
what I mean. That's the so HR cuts both ways,
right because yeah, on the one side you get to
(11:53):
tell people dream job. The other side it's I know
this would have been a life changing salary increase for you,
but we anyway. So I think though an HR and
particularly you're seeing AI is because it's large data sets,
it's efficiency based, and their AI is doing the job
of a lot of HR people right now. And that
is our that is written about. That is clear, that
is happening. So what is HR really going to be
(12:16):
doing because it's just gonna you're gonna set your parameters.
I need X amount of years of experience I need,
you know, I'm gonna look up, prioritize the following schools,
et cetera, et cetera. You can have somebody do this
now with ten thousand resumes and give you your top ten
resumes in five minutes, three minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I think that's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I also think there's just a lot of pause on
hiring on those jobs because companies are saying, wait a minute,
maybe we don't fill that opening that we have. Look,
and here is the Elon has come out recently and said, hey,
we're rapidly advancing to a world I think he said
the other day where having a job will be like
(12:55):
growing your own produce. People can choose to do it,
but it's not going to be the standard.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
These are people who believe that AI is truly, over
the next ten to fifteen years, going to be transformative
in a way that frankly most of us can't even comprehend,
and that we're going to basically have to figure out
a way to reorient society without working being a huge
part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
This is where I'm reminded of Neval who I've mentioned
several times before on the show Silicon Valley Guy, founder
of Angel List. It's been on a lot of the
big podcasts, and I just think is a very interesting
and sound thinker on things like this in particular. And
he breaks this down clay into wealth versus status in
(13:41):
society and wealth and I think you very much take
this approach in general, like this is a part of
your We talked to this at WOWO and they're asking,
what do you know about Claire?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
What do you know about Buck?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I think you believe that there are ways that everybody
can win and everybody can be doing better. And that's
true about wealth and anybody who denies that at all
of you right now? Who are who are driving around
in your car with your you know, your Venti Starbucks
hopefully your Crockett Coffee actually, but in your heated seats,
(14:14):
with your air bags, on your iPhone everything else. You
are living in a space age, unimaginable future of wealth
compared to what King Henry the eighth, like the actual
king would have had, right you, your health of us that.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Live better now than the wealthiest people did two hundred
years ago.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, basically your your healthcare is better, your food is better,
your your comfort is better.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Your bed gotta get.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Those sheets from you know what I'm talking about Cozy
Earth King Henry.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Henry, You know he was robust. He didn't have cozy
Earth sheets. You got.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You have incredible wealth. Status is I'm in a better
place than you. Status is how do I stack up
to him or her?
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Status is a different thing. And he says the people
should always separate those in their minds. And when you're
talking about AI, you're talking about what should be able
to be widely distributed increases of societal and global wealth
along the lines of what we're talking about, which is
everybody has more. But it might get to the point
(15:18):
where everybody has so much more that people start to
hyper focus on what somebody next to them has instead
of what they have. And this is where you get
into whether people will be happy, whether people will be
fulfilled by these things?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Will will you really be fulfilled?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
If you have I don't remember the name of the
robotic made from the Jetsons, but cleaning up everything grow,
Thank you Rosie making your food, cleaning up everything. You're
still gonna have wants and needs as a human being.
You know you're still you know this is this is
by the way, Clay. I also think, and I put
myself this category two. A lot of people have really
earnestly gone back to their faith and gone back to
(15:56):
church in recent years because I think they see you
now chasing the material things. Material things may get really
boring soon because everyone's going to have their material needs met.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, And for Christy who called in keep your head
up I've been fired multiple times. I've lost my jobs
multiple times. I know how stressful that entire process is.
I know there are lots of you out there in
this camp, and we hope again that you're going to
find employment, and all of you are going to find
employment sooner rather than later. I do think at a
(16:30):
big picture part of what's going on is AI disruption
that is starting to work its way through the economy.
And frankly, I'm not smart enough to understand exactly what
the full on ramifications of this are going to be.
But some of the smartest people in the world believe
that the next decade is going to be transformative on
(16:51):
a level we may not even be able to comprehend
right now.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, it may make the Internet look like small potatoes
by comparison. Just one thing I would say for anyone
who's listening who's having trouble finding a job. In my
experience and I've had, I've had very different kinds of careers,
two very different careers really and looked, I've worked in
different kinds of things. So is Clay and Clay started
companies especially now, don't just rely on blind resumes if
(17:17):
you want to send those in that's fine, you know,
send them into that inbox. It could work. It could work.
Talk to people, and I really mean that. You know,
you're you're at a car dealership that seems like it's
just really really well run, and you think you'd be
good in sales.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Talk to them.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, just just start.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
You don't have to be like, hey, I want a job.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Just start, you know, start gathering that information, creating that
contact with people.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I think this is true.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
For a whole range of things, but for finding a job,
people get jobs from other people. You actually don't get
a job from an email inbox. Always remember that Sundays
with Clay and Box, we.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Got an email rolling in here from a VIP. I
thought this was funny. Matt Wright caught up yesterday on
the Sunday Hang. I encourage all of you. Sunday Hang
is fun, just like a not very serious. If you're
just looking for something to hang with, it's a great
name for it. Producer ally puts this together. I have
a bone to pick with you for two horrible takes
(18:16):
number one, and I'm gonna stand by these takes, Buck,
but I want you to hear them. Chick fil A
biscuits are terrible, way too sweet. Your credibility took a
nose dive after hyping them up. I will go to
war that Chick fil A biscuits are amazing, and I
bet I have an entire army of people lining up
behind me. Matt, you're wrong on that second part.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Here.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You grilled Buck on why he showered in a swimsuit
with his dog, Ginger after she rolled around in poop,
paraphrasing Buck's response, I wanted to protect my man region
from dog peep dog poop. How about I don't want
to shower with my dog naked. That'd be a strange
thing to do. And then he comes after me, and
(19:00):
then he comes after me. Hold on, Clay, love you man,
But after hearing your sentiment on nudity, you strike me
as one of the old guys at the gym who
chills in the locker room for way too long, strikes
up conversations with everyone while all caps fuck naked.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Cheers. Fella, keep up the good work. I think it would.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I think I understand your argument for why you were
in a swimsuit. I think it's weirder to be in
the shower with the dog in a swimsuit can we.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Swim trunks?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Can you call them swim trunks or something? Or swim shorts?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You know, swimsuit makes it so all like I'm wearing
a one piece in there, but yes, yes, swimsuit.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I don't think the dog would be troubled by your nudity,
and and maybe I will.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
May this may shock the collar.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
The dog is naked when it sleeps in my bed
every night. The dog is constantly walking. The dog walks
around my house naked all the time. Doesn't even care,
So I don't think the dog minds. I'll also point
this out. I'm not a locker room naked guy, but
I don't care if people see me naked.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Most of my life has been trying to get people
to be willing to see me naked as a single man.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
We have a new house that we built.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Buck the window, the mirrors, I mean the window treatments
are not in yet, and there are people building across
the street. I just walked through right naked. My wife
is like, oh my god, they're gonna see you. Why
do I care? It's all male construction workers. Now, She,
because she is a woman, is used to people trying
to see her naked, so she protects her nudity. I
(20:35):
got no issues if people want to watch me as
I'm walking from my shower to go get my first
it's not that exciting of a view for the construction guys.
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to be running across
like the room like trying to shield myself like there's
some like great scandal of minudity.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So maybe I am the.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Old actually blown right now.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Brian and Wooster, I said that Buck needs to prepare
himself for Gavin Newsom to be campaigning in the South
and suddenly debut a great and by great I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Ridiculous Southern accent.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And I said, we need a mixture between Keanu Reeves
and a guy from Mobile, Alabama. And Brian says he's
got a theory for you, Buck, on a little bit
of research.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Let's play. Ahh.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
If you want to hear what Keanu Reeves would sound
like if he was born in the South, all you
have to do is watch Devil's Advocate with him and Paccino,
one of the worst Southern accents ever put on film.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I think we have a clip of that, Buck, This
is what Keanu sounded like. Actually, it was a pretty
good movie. I thought Devil's Advocate back in the day.
I mean, there are a lot worse movies. But here's
what he sounded like.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
How about Cullen, how's it going?
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Have you gone? Beam?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That's a long conversation. I want to come up and
tell me.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Now, let's talk tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
All right, So there's Keanu. You can go watch Devil's Advocate.
And that was a pretty bad Southern accent. I don't
recall it. He's an attorney JJ Don in Florida. I
think he this is the worst Southern accent in a movie.
Don what you got for us?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Hey, Clay em Buck.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
You want the worst Southern accent, look at Nicholas Cage
and con Air.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Nicholas Cage and con Air is a The Bunned Down.
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
It is an unbelievably awful Southern accent.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's not an awful movie. I mean, given the premise.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I mean it's it's an absurd movie, but not an
awful movie. Right, That's yes, yes, that's what I'm saying.
Like the premise is ridiculous and it shouldn't be as good.
I mean much like honestly, the the movie about the
the Oh what's it called the Rock? The Rock from
the nineteen nineties, the Alcatraz movie with Sean Connery and
(22:55):
Nicholas Cage is actually a really fun movie.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's patently absurd.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
In many differences talked a bottom yes for possibly, but
really a fun watch.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And uh and those are these let's uh, let's play this.
Maybe we can talk about this a bit tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Buck Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Karine Jean Pierre has got a book out, I guess,
and she's doing all sorts of touring. And I want
to roll over a couple of these cuts. The other
one roll it over, guys, But let's play this first
one from Karine Jean Pierre. She's asked whether she basically
bears any blame at all for Joe Biden. Listen to
her answer.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
This is perfect watch Charin.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Do you have any regrets at all for anything that
you said while you were speaking on behalf of this administration?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I'm look.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Normally because you're asking for a yester or no question.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I want to put some context to it too.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I wave up every day.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
I woke up every day very proud to be the
White House pre secretary. I woke up every day as
a as a black woman who is queer, who had
never no one had ever seen someone like me at
that podium, standing behind that lecture. It was an honor
and a privilege to have that job, and I did
it to the best of my abilities.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Immediately going to no, you know, we covered up, we
lied about a guy who had no business being in
the White House too. Oh well, let me talk about
the fact that I'm black and gay in case you
didn't know, rather than actually answer your question.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I think that her book is going over so poorly
that it actually has made one hundred and seven days
Kamala's book, which you left me behind on the battlefield
to read solo, which was way harsh. I think that
karrein Jean Pierre's book is even more negatively received by
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Democrats than Kamala's book was, which tells you a lot
about the legacy of the Biden administration and why Kamala's
going to end up not running and becoming a provost
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It starts now.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
There was a period you may find this to be true,
although streaming has altered the trajectory of this a bit.
Laura and I saw every movie, and then we had kids,
and there was like nine years where we just didn't
go to the movie theater very often. So there's about
a nine or ten year gap there where my boys
were really young and streaming had not become the case
where you could easily get every movie at home nowadays,
(00:40):
like with you guys like I don't know what are
movies in theaters for three weeks and then you can
basically watch them whenever you want.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I used to only carry and I used to sit
and when we're done for the day. I'm very I'm
very I share this with people. I just think that
you know, one it depends how big your house is.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Our house is not.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Very big, but one TV should be enough, Like there's
a TV that you go to to watch. I know,
people get very mad at me for this, very mad
at me, but I just think one TV is enough.
But we had our one TV in the living room
and we would watch at night. And now Clay that
I'm fully into the parent thing here. What I find
is that when I'm done changing diapers and one ESI's
(01:21):
and and all that sort of stuff, cleaning up after dinner,
sometimes I just want to sit in the couch and
the baby's gone to bed, I just want to sit
on the couch in silence, just like just be there,
just be present and not have to do anything for
like ten minutes, for like ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
We need to grab the Joe Flacco clip that went
viral yesterday. Joe Flacco is now the quarterback of the
Cleveland Browns, and I think a lot of people out
there will understand it. He's got I think five kids
or something now and sorry. He was the quarterback Cleveland Browns,
now the quarterback in Cincinnati Bengals. And they said, hey,
is it hard your family's still in New Jerseys, Like,
is it hard you know, living away from them? And
(02:00):
Eddie paraphrased, he said, you know, when I was a
younger guy, I would go out to a restaurant or
a bar, and I would see a guy sitting there
by himself having a meal or having a drink, and
I would think, man, that guy must be the saddest
person on the planet. And he said, now he's like,
I am that guy out at the bar and I
got to order the restaurant. He's like, I gotta tell you,
it's it's it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Oh, it's amazing. Oh my god, I didn't know about
the You gotta find this clip. Yeah, I just had
like this clip. When I visited you in Nashville. I
just had uh or you know, we met up before
we went to Woo. I sat at a place in
the gulch, sat alone at the bar. It's magnificent. I
just ordered exactly what I wanted. No one bothered me.
It was just so nicely anything.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I will tell you, when you become a dad or
a mom and you got big families everywhere and you're
out and you eat one meal, you're like, man, food's
cheap because you're not paying for five or six people
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That Also, I did not get hit with pureade peas
anywhere during this experience, so it was interesting. I want
to hear this because I have not heard it yet
this Joe Flacco wisdom about eating alone, Play thirty five.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I think there's always a challenge of sitting in a
room by yourself and being lonely. So for me, it's
trying to find ways to maybe stay over here a
little bit longer, and then, you know, just kind of
take myself out of that mindset, call home, go sit
at a restaurant by myself and realize that, man, that's
pretty enjoyable to do, you know, after there's not too
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many situations, I tell you, I tell people all the time,
and I used to see guys sitting at a bar
by themselves, or you know, just sitting by themselves, eating
and grabbing a little meal, and like, man, I feel
so bad for that guy. You almost want to go
join them. And now I realize, like that dude was
in heaven.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And not to say.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
That's that's obviously not what I want. I I'd rather
be at home, sitting at the dinner table with my
kids and hearing what the hell they were talking about
all day. But there are but but if you have
to do it, then you might as well take advantage
of it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Dinner alone at a bar is a great thing. Once
in a while, eat family, eat, you know, have family
dinner every night you can. But if you're on the
road for work, Clay, I gotta tell you, it's very peaceful,
it's very nice.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's also so much more affordable. I've been on the
road a lot for work and I will get a
nice take and a nice you know, maybe a nice
old fashion with it, and you know, some big fry
steak fries, and I get the bill and I'm like, man,
this is this is It's amazing, just because when you're
used and I know a lot of people out there
know what I'm talking about, when you're used to paying
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for the entire family to go anywhere, it's super expensive.
And uh yeah, it's not a bad not a bad
thing there.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Uh Heaven. As Joe Flacco might say, Sunday, hang with
Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
We just had the call Christy. Was it Christy who
called in from from Utah? She was talking about the
job market she works in HR and the challenges that
she is seeing. I'm sure that many of you who
are looking for jobs have seen the same thing. Here's
what I think is going on, Buck, and you can
sign on or not sign on to this. I think
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that AI is going to be incredibly transformative for many
different companies out there. And I actually think that some
of the jobs that are being pushed aside right now
are actually more white collar than blue collar in nature.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
And so there are certain jobs.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Let's say you're a plumber right now, I don't think
there's AI plumbing that is taking away your job. I
don't think that if you're a roofer, there's AI roofing
that is changing what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Truck driving, so far, all those.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Things quote unquote blue collar jobs, working with your hands
in some sort of factory. I think there are a
lot of thought related so called white collar jobs. Then
a lot of companies are just not filling right now
because they don't know necessarily how quickly AI is going
to advance and eliminate a lot of these jobs. And
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so I think there's a bit of an inversion in
the job market where there are a lot of people
who felt very confident, Hey, I'm always going to have
a job, and I talk about this with my boys
even now. I buck I think a lot of lawyers
are going to be losing their jobs in the years ahead,
because when I graduated law school, you had twenty five
year old lawyers who would sit in front of a
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computer screen and would be looking through documents and flagging
the relevant documents and all these things, billing hundreds of dollars.
That's going to become automated. I think a lot of
these consulting jobs that people got, a lot of these
investment banking jobs, they are remember the super skilled.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
If you remember share In the Timeless classic, Clueless gets
into trouble with the mean associate lawyer because she highlights
the June ninth calls or whatever, and she's supposed to
highlight the June fifth calls. But in the nineties you
had lawyers who were making hundreds and hundreds of dollars
an hour doing stuff like that, going through phone records.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Not even just the nineties, I mean until recently.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Uh the once you start to use AI as a tool,
and I would recommend that all of you do so
for your own lives.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
As a tool.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Look, I'll tell you, and it tells you don't do this,
or rather it doesn't say don't do this, it says
don't rely on this. I've uploaded my blood work to GROC.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
To try to get ideas for health for.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Like because because the doctor, you know, the doctor, as
you all know, you go in there. For the most part,
you get you get your five minutes with the doctor.
Here's the big problem, here's this whatever. I'm like, well,
what about this? What about that? I'm always a person
who I have more questions than the doctor wants to answer.
I can sit there and ask. Now, groc will tell
you it's not a doctor. Same thing with Gemini and
(07:50):
these other you know, uh chat ept and so you
should always consult with your doctor. But if you're just
you know, so there's that disclaimer. But it is amazing
the detailed information, factual information you can get on these things.
But do you remember that scene from Clueless, right, oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
A great movie.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And he's like he's like, you do what you want
with your butts. I'm calling in sick. And then she's
like so sad. And then she gets romantic with her stepbrother,
which I feel like everyone is just a little too
okay with in that movie. Remember that played by Paul
rud Josh. Yeah, Josh is the stepbrother and they're playing
smoochy smooch. But it's like, that's your stepbrother. I think
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that's weird.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Do you think that Paul Rudd is maybe one of
the people who has least aged in the last thirty
five years. I mean, I don't know what he does,
but if you look at him in basically his entire
acting career, he doesn't look very different now than he
did all the way back. He's basically looked thirty for
about thirty five years.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
That sounds about right, probably, Yeah, yeah, he's not going
at Tom Cruise level where you're like, what what alien
science experiments are being run to make him still look
like he should be running around doing fly kicks when
the guy's like my dad's age.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
But yeah, sure, right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
What Let me ask you this though, do you sign
on to my idea that AI initially is having more
of an upper middle class job impact than it is
lower You know, when I say class, I mean like
what your salary is.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It's an enormous white collar. It's an enormous efficiency tool
for bureaucratic and paper shuffling kind of work. And so
there are a lot of people who work on who
have jobs where that.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Is their job. What is the job really entail?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
It entails doing, you know, doing research for things, going
through things, finding things, well now you can upload a
you know, you can upload one hundred thousand pages if
you want to into some of these AI programs, and
it will give you every citation or every every statistical
example of whatever you're looking for and can do it
(10:00):
in a couple of minutes. So you think about the
time savings. We actually talked to doctor Marty McCay about
this and what's going on with the FDA. Yeah, for
massive medical trials, you know, which they do these big
you know, ten year, fifteen thousand person data sets and
all this this is gonna make that No, that's just
a I think that's nothing but upside. But to your
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point about some of these jobs. And here's what we
had an HR A lady from HR calling before, right,
just saying that out loud. I feel like I'm about
to get in trouble for something.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, right, We're gonna get in HR lady call for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So it's just gonna be honest, Clay and I have
existed in the world where you never want to hear
from the HR lady.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
I'm just gonna it's like, you know, especially.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
If it's a lady, I don't know, You're just gonna
get where it just means that we said something might
have been a joke that was made.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Might Does anyone get excited when the phone rings and
they're like, hey, it's HR. You're like, oh no, Like
there's nobody out there listening to us right now. That's
like I've been waiting for this call. Thank the Lord.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I'm so a little bit like what I get my
when I get a letter that says Internal Revenue Service
on it.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
I'm never like, oh sweet, I want to open this one.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So now I understand HR people are probably all very
annoyed with us right now and would not hire us,
But they would say, what about when I have the
amazing news of giving somebody their dream job? And of
course that is a This was like what Clay the
one the one season of high school soccer I coached.
The greatest thing was the joy on the faces of
the kids who wanted to make the team so bad
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and were marginal who.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Made it that there we had.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I had a couple of like stuperstars who were going
to go play in college, but I had two or three.
I was like, well, these kids are you know, they're
they're like better than I ever was, and they're freshmen
and then you know, there were kids that were marginal.
That was the greatest thing. The worst thing was the
kids who teared up when they were close and didn't
make it and I had to tell them, you know
what I mean. That's the so HR cuts both ways,
right because yeah, on the one side you get to
(11:53):
tell people dream job. The other side it's I know
this would have been a life changing salary increase for you,
but we anyway. So I think though an HR and
particularly you're seeing AI is because it's large data sets,
it's efficiency based, and their AI is doing the job
of a lot of HR people right now. And that
is our that is written about. That is clear, that
is happening. So what is HR really going to be
(12:16):
doing because it's just gonna you're gonna set your parameters.
I need X amount of years of experience I need,
you know, I'm gonna look up, prioritize the following schools,
et cetera, et cetera. You can have somebody do this
now with ten thousand resumes and give you your top ten
resumes in five minutes, three minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I think that's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I also think there's just a lot of pause on
hiring on those jobs because companies are saying, wait a minute,
maybe we don't fill that opening that we have. Look,
and here is the Elon has come out recently and said, hey,
we're rapidly advancing to a world I think he said
the other day where having a job will be like
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growing your own produce. People can choose to do it,
but it's not going to be the standard.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
These are people who believe that AI is truly, over
the next ten to fifteen years, going to be transformative
in a way that frankly most of us can't even comprehend,
and that we're going to basically have to figure out
a way to reorient society without working being a huge
part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
This is where I'm reminded of Neval who I've mentioned
several times before on the show Silicon Valley Guy, founder
of Angel List. It's been on a lot of the
big podcasts, and I just think is a very interesting
and sound thinker on things like this in particular. And
he breaks this down clay into wealth versus status in
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society and wealth and I think you very much take
this approach in general, like this is a part of
your We talked to this at WOWO and they're asking,
what do you know about Claire?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
What do you know about Buck?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I think you believe that there are ways that everybody
can win and everybody can be doing better. And that's
true about wealth and anybody who denies that at all
of you right now? Who are who are driving around
in your car with your you know, your Venti Starbucks
hopefully your Crockett Coffee actually, but in your heated seats,
(14:14):
with your air bags, on your iPhone everything else. You
are living in a space age, unimaginable future of wealth
compared to what King Henry the eighth, like the actual
king would have had, right you, your health of us that.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Live better now than the wealthiest people did two hundred
years ago.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, basically your your healthcare is better, your food is better,
your your comfort is better.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Your bed gotta get.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Those sheets from you know what I'm talking about Cozy
Earth King Henry.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Henry, You know he was robust. He didn't have cozy
Earth sheets. You got.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You have incredible wealth. Status is I'm in a better
place than you. Status is how do I stack up
to him or her?
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Status is a different thing. And he says the people
should always separate those in their minds. And when you're
talking about AI, you're talking about what should be able
to be widely distributed increases of societal and global wealth
along the lines of what we're talking about, which is
everybody has more. But it might get to the point
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where everybody has so much more that people start to
hyper focus on what somebody next to them has instead
of what they have. And this is where you get
into whether people will be happy, whether people will be
fulfilled by these things?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Will will you really be fulfilled?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
If you have I don't remember the name of the
robotic made from the Jetsons, but cleaning up everything grow,
Thank you Rosie making your food, cleaning up everything. You're
still gonna have wants and needs as a human being.
You know you're still you know this is this is
by the way, Clay. I also think, and I put
myself this category two. A lot of people have really
earnestly gone back to their faith and gone back to
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church in recent years because I think they see you
now chasing the material things. Material things may get really
boring soon because everyone's going to have their material needs met.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, And for Christy who called in keep your head
up I've been fired multiple times. I've lost my jobs
multiple times. I know how stressful that entire process is.
I know there are lots of you out there in
this camp, and we hope again that you're going to
find employment, and all of you are going to find
employment sooner rather than later. I do think at a
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big picture part of what's going on is AI disruption
that is starting to work its way through the economy.
And frankly, I'm not smart enough to understand exactly what
the full on ramifications of this are going to be.
But some of the smartest people in the world believe
that the next decade is going to be transformative on
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a level we may not even be able to comprehend
right now.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, it may make the Internet look like small potatoes
by comparison. Just one thing I would say for anyone
who's listening who's having trouble finding a job. In my
experience and I've had, I've had very different kinds of careers,
two very different careers really and looked, I've worked in
different kinds of things. So is Clay and Clay started
companies especially now, don't just rely on blind resumes if
(17:17):
you want to send those in that's fine, you know,
send them into that inbox. It could work. It could work.
Talk to people, and I really mean that. You know,
you're you're at a car dealership that seems like it's
just really really well run, and you think you'd be
good in sales.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Talk to them.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, just just start.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
You don't have to be like, hey, I want a job.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Just start, you know, start gathering that information, creating that
contact with people.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I think this is true.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
For a whole range of things, but for finding a job,
people get jobs from other people. You actually don't get
a job from an email inbox. Always remember that Sundays
with Clay and Box, we.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Got an email rolling in here from a VIP. I
thought this was funny. Matt Wright caught up yesterday on
the Sunday Hang. I encourage all of you. Sunday Hang
is fun, just like a not very serious. If you're
just looking for something to hang with, it's a great
name for it. Producer ally puts this together. I have
a bone to pick with you for two horrible takes
(18:16):
number one, and I'm gonna stand by these takes, Buck,
but I want you to hear them. Chick fil A
biscuits are terrible, way too sweet. Your credibility took a
nose dive after hyping them up. I will go to
war that Chick fil A biscuits are amazing, and I
bet I have an entire army of people lining up
behind me. Matt, you're wrong on that second part.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Here.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You grilled Buck on why he showered in a swimsuit
with his dog, Ginger after she rolled around in poop,
paraphrasing Buck's response, I wanted to protect my man region
from dog peep dog poop. How about I don't want
to shower with my dog naked. That'd be a strange
thing to do. And then he comes after me, and
(19:00):
then he comes after me. Hold on, Clay, love you man,
But after hearing your sentiment on nudity, you strike me
as one of the old guys at the gym who
chills in the locker room for way too long, strikes
up conversations with everyone while all caps fuck naked.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Cheers. Fella, keep up the good work. I think it would.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I think I understand your argument for why you were
in a swimsuit. I think it's weirder to be in
the shower with the dog in a swimsuit can we.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Swim trunks?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Can you call them swim trunks or something? Or swim shorts?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You know, swimsuit makes it so all like I'm wearing
a one piece in there, but yes, yes, swimsuit.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I don't think the dog would be troubled by your nudity,
and and maybe I will.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
May this may shock the collar.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
The dog is naked when it sleeps in my bed
every night. The dog is constantly walking. The dog walks
around my house naked all the time. Doesn't even care,
So I don't think the dog minds. I'll also point
this out. I'm not a locker room naked guy, but
I don't care if people see me naked.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Most of my life has been trying to get people
to be willing to see me naked as a single man.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
We have a new house that we built.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Buck the window, the mirrors, I mean the window treatments
are not in yet, and there are people building across
the street. I just walked through right naked. My wife
is like, oh my god, they're gonna see you. Why
do I care? It's all male construction workers. Now, She,
because she is a woman, is used to people trying
to see her naked, so she protects her nudity. I
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got no issues if people want to watch me as
I'm walking from my shower to go get my first
it's not that exciting of a view for the construction guys.
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to be running across
like the room like trying to shield myself like there's
some like great scandal of minudity.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So maybe I am the.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Old actually blown right now.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Brian and Wooster, I said that Buck needs to prepare
himself for Gavin Newsom to be campaigning in the South
and suddenly debut a great and by great I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Ridiculous Southern accent.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And I said, we need a mixture between Keanu Reeves
and a guy from Mobile, Alabama. And Brian says he's
got a theory for you, Buck, on a little bit
of research.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Let's play. Ahh.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
If you want to hear what Keanu Reeves would sound
like if he was born in the South, all you
have to do is watch Devil's Advocate with him and Paccino,
one of the worst Southern accents ever put on film.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I think we have a clip of that, Buck, This
is what Keanu sounded like. Actually, it was a pretty
good movie. I thought Devil's Advocate back in the day.
I mean, there are a lot worse movies. But here's
what he sounded like.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
How about Cullen, how's it going?
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Have you gone? Beam?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That's a long conversation. I want to come up and
tell me.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Now, let's talk tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
All right, So there's Keanu. You can go watch Devil's Advocate.
And that was a pretty bad Southern accent. I don't
recall it. He's an attorney JJ Don in Florida. I
think he this is the worst Southern accent in a movie.
Don what you got for us?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Hey, Clay em Buck.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
You want the worst Southern accent, look at Nicholas Cage
and con Air.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Nicholas Cage and con Air is a The Bunned Down.
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
It is an unbelievably awful Southern accent.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's not an awful movie. I mean, given the premise.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I mean it's it's an absurd movie, but not an
awful movie. Right, That's yes, yes, that's what I'm saying.
Like the premise is ridiculous and it shouldn't be as good.
I mean much like honestly, the the movie about the
the Oh what's it called the Rock? The Rock from
the nineteen nineties, the Alcatraz movie with Sean Connery and
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Nicholas Cage is actually a really fun movie.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's patently absurd.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
In many differences talked a bottom yes for possibly, but
really a fun watch.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And uh and those are these let's uh, let's play this.
Maybe we can talk about this a bit tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Buck Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Karine Jean Pierre has got a book out, I guess,
and she's doing all sorts of touring. And I want
to roll over a couple of these cuts. The other
one roll it over, guys, But let's play this first
one from Karine Jean Pierre. She's asked whether she basically
bears any blame at all for Joe Biden. Listen to
her answer.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
This is perfect watch Charin.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Do you have any regrets at all for anything that
you said while you were speaking on behalf of this administration?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I'm look.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Normally because you're asking for a yester or no question.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I want to put some context to it too.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I wave up every day.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
I woke up every day very proud to be the
White House pre secretary. I woke up every day as
a as a black woman who is queer, who had
never no one had ever seen someone like me at
that podium, standing behind that lecture. It was an honor
and a privilege to have that job, and I did
it to the best of my abilities.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Immediately going to no, you know, we covered up, we
lied about a guy who had no business being in
the White House too. Oh well, let me talk about
the fact that I'm black and gay in case you
didn't know, rather than actually answer your question.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I think that her book is going over so poorly
that it actually has made one hundred and seven days
Kamala's book, which you left me behind on the battlefield
to read solo, which was way harsh. I think that
karrein Jean Pierre's book is even more negatively received by
(24:49):
Democrats than Kamala's book was, which tells you a lot
about the legacy of the Biden administration and why Kamala's
going to end up not running and becoming a provost
that Clay's going to owe me a stake
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