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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Weird.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Thankful for you on this Thanksgiving Day for being a
listener here on the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Something that got well, honestly, just moved down the news
priority list. I want to spend some time to talk
to you about it because it is one of those
broad conversations about politics and America and what's going on
today that answers a lot of questions right now and
also gives us a sense as.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
To what the future is going to look like, what
is going on when.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It comes to men and women and their views of life,
specifically for Gen Z adults. Now, all of our boomers
boomers listening, we love you. This matters, as you know,
because these are your kids or grandkids in many cases,
and they shall inherit this republic of ours. And there's
(00:59):
some really stark differences. This is from NBC News polling
data about people eighteen to twenty nine years old.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
So that's Gen Z.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I am a gray beard millennial, Clay, what are you?
Silent generation? You're some other You're not a millennial.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I am the youngest Gen X. You're Joe I am
the youngest generation member of the generation that has saved
America by supporting DOM I'm gonna say more than any
other generation.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
My older brother who is also of your generation. You
guys are the same age. Mason very quick to point
out that Gen X probably has the best generation.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Rep right now.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
It's certainly in the media world like everyone's like Gen
X just getting it done, all cool and you know, collected, uh, millennials,
we got some rough stuff because we complained a lot
about the housing and mortgage meltdown stuff in two thousand
and eight and what that.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Did to our careers.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
But let's let's look at the gen Z situation right now,
because Clay, perhaps this is something you've addressed in your
upcoming book.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Pauls.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Men men are trending in a very clear direction in
that generation. So young men, young adult men right now.
This is from NBC News data young men who voted
for Trump. So Gen Z eighteen to twenty nine, who
voted for Trump, what is important to a personal definition
(02:27):
of success? Thirty four percent of them said having children,
thirty three percent, financial independence, thirty percent, fulfilling job career,
twenty nine percent being married. And then they go into
some other things, doing what you want, being grounded spiritually
twenty four percent. Got to get those are rookie numbers
on spiritual grant, but you know, we got to get
(02:47):
that up a little bit, making community proud, all this stuff, right,
women who voted for Harris, this is what was really stark.
So remember young men who vote for Trump, young women
who vote for Harris. That's what we're looking at here.
Fifty one percent said fulfilling job or career. That's the
number one thing by far. Fulfilling job, having money to
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do what you want, forty six percent. Emotional stability, which
a lot of these women gotta work on, I gotta
tell you, thirty nine percent financial independence, thirty two percent
have it using your talents, thirty seven percent owning a
home twenty percent having children.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Clay and being.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Married were tied for them at the very bottom of
the list at six percent. This is a vision of
two paths for the genders in America as defined by
political affiliation today or separated by political affiliation today. All
(03:51):
these women who are voting for Harris, who are in
their twenties don't care at all about family formation, which
is stunning. Honestly, you see that day. Yeah, it is stunning.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think it's a sign.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
And this is probably gonna get clipped, so prepare yourselves
for the headline.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I love it when he does this. Where's media matters
go for it?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Yeah, I think it's a sign that women are have
been sold to mass delusion, a lot of young women.
And let me explain why. The only reason to want,
in my opinion, a fulfilling job and a career is
so you can afford to have a family. I look,
(04:33):
there are relatively few people whose careers are so important
that they change the world. Okay, if you told me
right now, Hey, Elon Musk, Yeah, he might not be
a great dad. I think he's an incredible he might
be a great dad. I'm not saying it's a negative,
but I'm saying like his career is so important potentially
(04:55):
to the future of the civilization that I can say, Okay,
that seems like a really good use of his time.
You would want, I think people who are supreme geniuses.
If you could you have two kids, or you could
solve cancer, I would submit to you. Ideally you could
do both, but if you had to choose, curing cancer
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would be a better societal benefit than you having two kids.
Most people have jobs, though, not to cure cancer or
to solve all the issues that Evon Musk is trying
to solve, but just to be able to have the
resources to have children.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
It's a means to an end to pay bills. That's
why you get paid for it. If it were fun,
they wouldn't have to pay you for it. Now, some
jobs like Clay and I are lucky. We both love
our jobs and we get paid for it. But it
took a long time to get to a place where
that was the case. And this is the reality for
a lot of women play right now. I saw this
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from my graduating class at Amherst, Okay, at Emerson College.
There are all these women who at that time, we're
going into management consulting like McKenzie Baine remember where Mitt
Romney was, or they went into investment banking. That is
a situation where you are going to work eighty hours
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a week for years and years and years to make money.
You are not curing cancer, you are not. All of
the women that I knew who went into that dropped out.
All of them dropped out because that is not the
way that they want to spend their lives. But society
had set them up for this. Society had convinced them
(06:37):
that this is what they should do.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I also think, and again, these are eighteen to twenty
nine year olds women who voted for Harris, men who
voted for Trump. I also think it is likely to
be the number one complaint of the Harris voting women
that they can't find good men worth dating and having
families with. But all of the young men who are
(07:01):
Trump voters actually want to get married and have kids,
and the women don't want to. And here's the other
thing about this that I think is indicative of having
been sold a false bill of goods. And by the way,
eight hundred and two two two eight a two, maybe
you are in this eighteen to twenty nine year old
female group and you want to react, maybe you are
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in the male group. But what is interesting to me
about this as well, Buck, is the women should be
the ones focused on having children because and I don't
want to throw anybody into a full panic here, but
a twenty nine year old woman who hasn't gotten married
and hasn't had kids has a biological clock to worry
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about that. A twenty nine year old man does not
have in the same way to worry about. So, if anything,
these should be flipped buck because women, because of biology,
have to think about having children at younger ages than
men do.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
If you're over thirty, it's a geriatric it's officially medically
a geriatric pregnancy. That's what they call it, a geriatric pregnancy.
And the risks factors go up all across. They should
tell people this in schools. By the way, I didn't
learn this stuff until I was an adult, to be
honest with you, I didn't know all the things, all
the risk factors that increase.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'm not saying that that people can make their own
life choices. Some people just want to have a career,
some people don't have a family. It's not about denying
anybody a choice. It's about giving them the facts and
the reality of what is likely and what is true
in general or true in the aggregate about these things.
And for most women, I mean, I'll put it this way, Clay,
most guys that I know, if they weren't trying to
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date and orget, you know, date and get married, would.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Work a lot less hard.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, they'd spend a lot more time in leisure and whatever.
But they want to build something. They want to be providers.
There's something instinctive and instinctual for men about this. For women,
they are generally not always generally set up differently for
what will be a successful and happy life path.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But the influences.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Now, you grew up in a more traditional Americana place
than I did, so I can speak from the New
York City perspective, which is the same in Los Angeles,
and very similar in Chicago, and very similar in d C.
And you know these urban centers where the women of
my generation.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Were all told you need to be you need to.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Compete with men in the workplace, you need to spend
the same kind of hours. You need to put your
career first and figure out family later. And I have
seen it now that I'm in my forties. This has
resulted in life path disappointment and in some cases devastation
for a lot of very talented and you know, wonderful
young women who now can have families or never had
(09:47):
a family, and they want to. I'm not talking to
the people that don't want to. They want to, but
they got their timelines mixed up.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I see this.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Women who vote for Harris Thing and none of them
care about being married or having children. They're going to
change their also for what you can be the first
female VP at the marketing firm at age thirty five
or at age forty. You think that that's guys generally
want to do that so they can have a wife
and kids that they can provide for.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yes, what you are aspiring to to be a suit
in middle management is what people usually do so they
can have kids. And when I look at this, I
just think that young women have been sold a bill
of goods on what the goal.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Of life is.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Because if your goal is just to a mass job
title and then die by yourself, okay, that seems kind
of lonely. It seems not very fulfilling. And I just
think that a lot of young women and I think, frankly, Buck,
this is what you're seeing these women they get older,
(10:59):
they deep inside this is me psychoanalyzing, They deeply inside
reject some of the choices that they made to give
up a family to be to your point of VP
in a bland accounting firm or something. No offense to
everybody out there working in accounting, but I don't think
people are doing cartwheels into the accounting office every day
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because they feel like they're changing the world in such
a positive way, and they make politics their life's focus
because they have to pour their energy and their soul
and their them and vigor and vitality into something and
it's not motherhood and instead it's Donald Trump as Hitler.
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I thought about this gen Z thing when I saw
Trump goes to a steakhouse and there's just a bunch
of chicks that show up and scream a chant that
he's Hitler to him. And you can watch Trump walk
over and kind of look at him like, you chicks
are crazy, Like you can kind of see it, as
I guarantee you, in his head, he's like, what are
these girls doing? Like how is your life's ambition to
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show up when somebody's eating at a steakhouse and call
him Hitler. I think you've given up the plot on life,
And I think you're des.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
A lot of a lot of projection. The psychologists would
call it of their frustration that they externalize in order
to avoid dealing with the realities of the choices that
they have made. So Trump is Hitler. Gives them something
to feel bigger than themselves and like they they're a
part of something because a lot of them, the choices
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that they have made, don't let them feel that.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Way day in and day out, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I mean I tell my friends this, and my family
is play at the most basic level, not getting into
the spiritual and you know, being a Catholic who's trying
to now become actually more of a of a real
Catholic and going back to the church, but just a
on a basic day to day level. I just think
that take care of your people is my basic life philosophy. Obviously,
your family first and then the people around you, and that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Can keep you really busy.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
If you're actually doing that. If you're taking care of
your people, you really don't have time like those sad
people we saw in DC at the inauguration to be
out in the freezing cold for six hours shouting about
how Trump is hitler with nobody listening, you know. Yeah,
but if you don't have that and you're not taking
care of you, and I don't just mean having kids,
and some people can't have kids, and we're sensitive to that,
(13:21):
of course, but the people around you making decisions to
be meaningful in their lives and to have that consideration
and that discipline in your day to day. That's hard
showing up with your purple hair and you're screaming and
you're you know you, Trump is is is the Antichrist,
although they probably wouldn't put it that way.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
He's hitler. That's easy, that's just that's just narcissism.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Here's a question for you as we go to break
and I'd be curious to hear from people again. This
is an NBC News poll eighteen to twenty nine year
old voters what they care about, male and female? How
many women are lying? Because when I saw these numbers,
I'm like, how many women feel bad to say, hey,
what matters to me is getting married and having kids
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because they feel like they're turning their back on feminism
if they say that, and so they're just lying because
they think other people want to hear. It's crazy to
me that fifty one percent of people would say my
career is my top priority.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I had when before I met my wife and the
love of my life, I had women bail on dates
that I'd ask them out on because they found out
that I was a trumper. So they said, look, you
may be incredibly charming and have amazing hair, but you
voted for Trump and I have to back out of this.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
They didn't say that first part, but that's what they
were thinking. So I'm just saying some of these ladies
are crazy.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I think, and some of them are crazy. I think
women are more susceptible to worrying about what others think
in general than men are, and so I wonder whether
they're being honest in their responses. Welcome back in Clay
Travis buck Sexton show Buck. I do write a ton
about this because I've been thinking about it a lot,
and ultimately, the disconnect between men and women is leading
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to no babies.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
The overall population in Western civilization is collapsing. Women and
men are not having babies. You got to have two
point one male or female in union ideally in order
to replace yourself. Right, that's not happening. And when we
are not having babies, I think a lot of people
sit back and say, Okay, what is causing this? And
(15:30):
tons of you are weighing in. I write about it
a lot in Balls my very under trying to Think
under the radar title about gender roles and how they
impacted the election and how Trump went on and won.
You can find it, you can pre order it, but
we're going to take a bunch of your reactions because
we are flooded with people out there who are saying yes.
(15:53):
And I know unit every generation thinks, Hey, things are
different for us, things are more challenging. Actually reflects that
people are not getting together and they're not having babies
on a level that we've never seen in the history
of America before. So I think this is a thing
and we will talk about it when we come back.
And Hey, I'm Klay Travis and I'm Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
You know what we're thankful for this year, all of you.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
We have the best radio audience in the country, hands down.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Sending a big, warm and happy Thanksgiving from the Clay
and Buck Show. All right, welcome back into Clay Unbuck.
Every line lit and we're going to just rack and
stack calls here because there's a passionate topic about life
choices of young Americans right now. What's important to them.
If you're a guy you voted for Trump, Yeah, you
want a career, but family, super important, kids, super important.
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Women who voted for Kamala Harris, according to these numbers
and Clay said, maybe they're just saying what they should,
which is there's probably some of that, but the numbers
are I mean, they care more about where they're getting
their nails done than whether they're ever going to be
married or have kids. Based on this data, it is,
it is outrageous stuff. They care a lot about their
about their career. All right, we have Stacy first up here.
(17:03):
You are a mother of twelve in Minnesota. Did I
get that right? You are a mom of a dozen?
Speaker 6 (17:09):
Yes, yep.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Wow, that is incredible. So what age did you have
your first baby?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I would have been twenty four when I had my
first son.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
And so you have continued and had baby that that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Okay, So how many of those are daughters?
Speaker 6 (17:25):
We have seven girls and five boys.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay, so I'm fascinated.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
What are you telling all of these kids and what
do you see from them as it pertains to gender identity,
gender roles, all these different things that you are you're
an expert.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
If you got seven of one and five of the other, well.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Yeah, so you know, we just point them to the
Lord for the first and foremost, he's the one who
He's the one who gave him to us, and we're
just they're just on loan, and so we need to
raise them to go into the world and to be
able to know the truth, which is only found in
His word, and also to you know, to be able
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to decipher, to be able to think critically, because obviously
nowadays that's kind of become a lost art.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Can I can I ask you? I'm curious about this.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I want to ask about the pressure if your your
girls feel pressure to delay family formation in order to
do more career stuff. Maybe you can tackle that one first.
But I also just have to throw in there. Do
you guys travel in like a like a motorcade? Like
how do you do that? You've do you have a
few suburbans, you know, like that when the president moves.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Yeah, that's a good question. We have an express fan,
so yeah, it's it's like a mini bus basically is
kind of you know what you would can call it.
I would say it's fun.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's funny. You have all your kids on the bus together, like,
that's that's a good time.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Right, And and obviously we have two that just got
married this past summer, so you know they're starting to
leave the nest and and and they're definitely looking forward
to having their own children.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So yes, but do your girls feel like there's a
lot of pressure on them socially to delay, you know,
do you ever pick that up from them that they
feel like, oh, you know, at first I have to
make VP at the at the accounting firm before I
could even think about getting married. Or not so much, no,
not so much.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
No, they they embrace the role as a woman, you know,
and that doesn't and that doesn't have to be competing
with men. And I think that's where our culture has
gone wrong. We feel like we have to compete with men,
which we all have our different talents and abilities and gifts.
And why don't we embrace, you know, being a woman,
(19:36):
because I mean, I don't sure don't want to be
a man, like I wouldn't want his responsibilities in certain
areas and he can't have children, right, we know biologically
that a man can't have a child. So like there's
a reason God gave us different roles. And I mean,
I'm not saying there's different situations for different people, but
I think the more we fight against the way we
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are created, that's why we're in the trouble. We'riten this world.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Thank you, thank you so much. And that's that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
And uh and Elon would be would be proud of
you for helping to repopulate the world. You're doing more
than your part. So God bless and thank you so
much for calling in.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Uh. Let's twelve kids.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Yeah, that's an incredible accomplishment. Darcy in Houston, she said
she's got a couple of gen Z girls. Darcy, what
do you see?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
I have two gen Z girls. I have a senior
in high school and a senior in college. And we
have raised both of our girls to understand that you
don't have life balance in the day to day, you
have life balance in the cycle of life. So you know,
I was advanced maternal age, but on both of our girls,
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and so I like I had a bit of a career.
Then I stepped away. I took time to be with
our kids. I homeschooled them. The oldest graduated from home school.
She's now Texas and University College of Civil Engineering. And
now I haven't gone back to work full time, but
I work on our investments in our real estate portfolio,
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and we have three passive investments. We have numerous single
family homes and we're looking at an apartment complex. So
you have to understand that the balance of life is
day to day. I mean, I've been a university professor overseas,
We've lived in four different countries. It's life has been
an adventure, and both of our girls look forward to
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achieving a balance that fits who they are and who
that eventual partner husband in their life is.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Do you think that they're more challenged in their generation
than you were in yours with balancing that?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Absolutely. And the reason that I say that is because
I am Clay. I'm older than you. You're a young buck.
In my world, I was born in sixteen nine, and dating,
I think the huge challenge right now is dating. My
oldest had a boyfriend, but and my youngest everything is groups.
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And I'm sure you see that with your boys. Everything
is a group date. Very seldom do you have that
one on one and even if it's a one on
one boyfriend girlfriend, there's still a group. Everything is group,
and so that opportunity to get to know someone individually
is being lost in that generation and that's something that's
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really hard for parents to overcome.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Thank you for the call, Buck, I don't know if
I've told you this. One of my kids, I won't
say which one was talking to a girl and I said, well,
you should just go get pizza with her, and I
think this is emblematic of their generation in general. He
was like just the two of us, and I was like, yeah, yeah.
(22:58):
It was like they like to call me an unk.
It was like I had given the most unk advice
of all time. Was like, well, you know, instead of
just talking on the phone and not actually seeing each
other in person, you should.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Just go have pizza together. And I just remember just
the two of us.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
To her point, it is all group gatherings and or
not gathering at all because they're on their cell phones.
And here's the other thing. And I know this has
become huge all over the country. Everyone I knew when
you turn sixteen years old, this may be a little
(23:38):
bit different for you in New York City because you
guys got out and about without cars. Everybody I knew.
It wasn't just when you turned sixteen. It was your
oldest best friend who could suddenly take you in a
car and you could go to the movies, or you
could go to the mall, or you could go to
a fast food restaurant, or you could go to a
sporting event together to go watch it was there's a
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level of liberation that we all desperately craved and counted
down the days until it could happen. We all knew
when somebody was going to take their driver's test, we
all knew when somebody was getting their permit. Nobody cares.
Kids today are like, eh, I can get a license
or I could not.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Partly, I think it's a reality of uber and the
fact that we're in different communications and so all of
that factors in, I think in a significant way. But
that in and of itself, I think is a sign
of how the culture has changed in a significant way.
(24:43):
We just had the call Christy. Was it Christy who
called in from Utah? She was talking about the job
market she works in HR and the challenges that she
is seeing. I'm sure that many of you who are
looking for jobs have seen the same thing. Here's what
I think is going on, Buck. You can sign on
or not sign on to this. I think that AI
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is going to be incredibly transformative for many different companies
out there, and I actually think that some of the
jobs that are being pushed aside right now are actually
more white collar than blue collar in nature.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And so there are certain jobs.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Let's say you're a plumber right now, I don't think
there's AI plumbing that is taking away your job. I
don't think that if you're a roofer, there's AI roofing
that is changing what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Truck driving, so far, all those.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Things quote unquote blue collar jobs, working with your hands
in some sort of factory. I think there are a
lot of thought related so called white collar jobs. Then
a lot of companies are just not filling right now
because they don't know necessarily how quickly AI is going
to advance and eliminate a lot of these jobs. So
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I think there's a bit of an inversion in the
job market where there are a lot of people who
felt very confident, Hey, I'm always going to have a job,
and I talk about this with my boys even now.
I buck I think a lot of lawyers are going
to be losing their jobs in the years ahead, because
when I graduated law school, you had twenty five year
old lawyers who would sit in front of a computer
(26:22):
screen and would be looking through documents and flagging the
relevant documents and all these things billing hundreds of dollars.
That's going to become automated. I think a lot of
these consulting jobs that people got, a lot of these
investment banking jobs, they are remember the super skilled.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
If you remember share In the Timeless classic, Clueless gets
into trouble with the mean associate lawyer because she highlights
the June ninth calls or whatever, and she's supposed to
highlight the June fifth calls. But in the nineties you
had lawyers who were making hundreds and hundreds of dollars
an hour doing stuff like that going through phone records.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Not even just the nineties, I mean until recently.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Uh, the once you start to use AI as a tool,
and I would recommend that all of you do so
for your own lives.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
As a tool.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Look, I'll tell you, and it tells you don't do this,
or rather it doesn't say don't do this, it says,
don't rely on this. I've uploaded my blood work to groc.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
To try to get ideas for health like.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Because because the doctor, you know the doctor, as you
all know, you go in there for the most part,
you get you get your five minutes with the doctor.
Here's the big problem. Here's this whatever. I'm like, well,
what about this? What about that? I'm always a person
who I have more questions than the doctor wants to answer.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I can sit there and ask. Now, groc will tell
you it's not a doctor.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Same thing with Gemini and these other you know, uh
chat ept and so you should always consult with your doctor.
But if you're just you know, so there's that disclaimer.
But it is amazing the detailed information, factual information you
can get on these things. But do you remember that
scene from Clueless? Right, Oh yeah, it's a great movie
and he's like he's like, you do what you want
with your butts. I'm calling in sick. And then she's
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like so sad, and then she gets romantic with her stepbrother,
which I feel like everyone was just a little too
okay with in that movie.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Remember that played.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
By Pel Rudd.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Josh, Yeah, Josh is the stepbrother and they're playing smoochy smooch.
But it's like, that's your stepbrother. I think that's weird.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Do you think that Paul Rudd is maybe one of
the people who has least aged in the last thirty
five years. I mean, I don't know what he does
but if you look at him in basically his entire
acting career, he doesn't look very different now than he
did all the way back. He's basically looked thirty for
about thirty five years.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
That sounds about right, probably, Yeah, yeah, he's not quite
at Tom Cruise level where you're like, what what alien
science experiments are being run to make him still look
like he should be running around doing fly kicks when
the guy's like my dad's age.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
But yeah, sure, right, what let.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Me ask you this though, do you sign on to
my idea that AI initially is having more of an
upper middle class job impact than it is lower You know,
when I say class, I mean like what your salary is.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
It's an enormous white collar. It's an enormous efficiency tool
for bureaucratic and paper shuffling kind of work. And so
there are a lot of people who work on who
have jobs where that is their job. What is the
job really entail? It entails doing, you know, doing research
(29:31):
for things, going through things, finding things. Well, now you
can upload a you know, you can upload one hundred
thousand pages if you want to into some of these
AI programs, and it will give you every citation or
every every statistical example of whatever you're looking for, and
it can do it in a couple of minutes, so
(29:53):
you think about the time savings. We actually talked to
doctor Marty McCay about this and what's going on with
the FDA. Yeah, for massive medical trials, you know which
they do these big you know, ten year, fifteen thousand
person data sets and all this this is gonna make
that No, that's just a I think that's nothing but upside.
But to your point about some of these jobs, here's
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what we had an HR A lady from HR calling before, right,
just saying that out loud. I feel like I'm about
to get in trouble for something. Yeah, right, we're gonna
get in HR lady call for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So is it just gonna be honest?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Clay and I have existed in the world where you
never want to hear from the HR lady.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I'm just gonna it's like, you know, especially if.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
It's a lady, I don't know, You're just gonna get
where It just means that we said something might have
been a joke that was made.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Does anyone get excited when the phone rings and they're like, hey,
it's HR you're like, oh no, like there's nobody out
there listening to us right now.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's like I've been waiting for this call. Thank the Lord.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I'm so so a little bit like when I get
my when I get a letter that says Internal Revenue
Service on it, I'm never like, oh sweet, I want
to open this one. So now I understand HR people
are probably all very annoyed with us right now and
would not hire us, but they would say, what about
when I have the amazing news of giving somebody their
dream job?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
And of course that is a.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
This was like what Clay the one the one season
of high school soccer I coached, The greatest thing was
the joy on the faces of the kids who wanted
to make the team so bad and were marginal who
made it that there we had. I had a couple
of like stuperstars who were going to go play in college,
but I had two or three. I was like, well,
these kids are you know, they're they're like better than
I ever was, and they're freshmen. And then you know,
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there were kids that were marginal. That was the greatest thing.
The worst thing was the kids who teared up when
they were close and didn't make it, and I had
to tell them, you know what I mean. That's the
so HR cuts both ways, right, because yeah, on the
one side you get to tell people dream job. The
other side it's I know this would have been a
life changing salary increase for you, but we anyway. So
I think though an HR, and particularly you're seeing AI
(31:54):
is because it's large data sets, it's efficiency based, and
their AI is doing the job of a lot of
HR people right now. And that is our that is
written about, that is clear, that is happening. So what
is HR really going to be doing because it's just
gonna You're gonna set your parameters. I need X amount
of years of experience I need, you know, I'm gonna
look up, prioritize the following schools, et cetera, et cetera.
(32:15):
You can have somebody do this now with ten thousand
resumes and give you your top ten resumes in five minutes,
three minutes.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I think that's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I also think there's just a lot of pause on
hiring on those jobs because companies are saying, wait a minute,
maybe we don't fill that opening that we have. Look,
and here is the Elon has come out recently and said, Hey,
we're rapidly advancing to a world I think he said
the other day where having a job will be like
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growing your own produce. People can choose to do it,
but it's not going to be the standard.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Now.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
These are people who believe that AI is truly, over
the next ten to fifteen years, going to be transformative
in a way that frankly most of us can't even comprehend,
and that we're going to basically have to figure out
a way to reorient society without working being a huge
part of it.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
This is where I'm reminded of Neval who I've mentioned
several times before on the show Silicon Valley guy, founder
of Angel List. It's been on a lot of the
big podcasts, and I just think is a very interesting
and sound thinker on things like this in particular. And
he breaks this down Clay into wealth versus status in
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society and wealth and I think you very much take
this approach in general, like this is a part of
your We talked to this at WO WO and they're asking,
what do you know about Claire, what do you know
about Buck? I think you believe that there are ways
that everybody can win and everybody can be doing better.
And that's true about wealth and anybody who denies that.
All of you right now who are driving around in
(33:55):
your car with your you know, your Venti Starbucks, hope for.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Your Crockett coffee actually, but.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
In your heated seats, with your air bags, on your
iPhone everything else. You are living in a space age
unimaginable future of wealth compared to what King Henry the eighth,
like the actual king, would have had, right you, your.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Health of us that live better now than the wealthiest
people did two hundred years ago.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yes, basically, your your healthcare is better, your food is better,
your your comfort is better.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Your bed gotta get.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Those sheets from you know what I'm talking about Cozy Earth.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Henry.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
You know he was robust. He didn't have cozy Earth sheets.
You got you have incredible wealth. Status is I'm in
a better place than you. Status is how do I
stack up to him or her?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Status is a different thing. And he says that people
should always separate those in their minds. And when you're
talking about AI, you're talking about what should be able
to be widely distributed increases on of societal and global
wealth along the lines of what we're talking about, which
is everybody has more, but it might get to the
(35:09):
point where everybody has so much more that people start
to hyper focus on what somebody next to them has
instead of what they have. And this is where you
get into whether people will be happy, whether people will
be fulfilled by these things?
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Will will you really be fulfilled if.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
You have I don't remember the name of the robotic
made from the Jetsons, but cleaning up everything, Row, thank
you Rosie making your food, cleaning up everything. You're still
gonna have wants and needs as a human being. You
know you're still you know this is this is by
the way, Clay. I also think, and I put myself
this category two. A lot of people have really earnestly
gone back to their faith and gone back to church
(35:47):
in recent years because I think they see, you know,
chasing the material things. Material things may get really boring
soon because everyone's going to have their material needs met.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Yeah, And for Christy who called in keep your head up.
I've been fired multiple times. I've lost my jobs multiple times.
I know how stressful that entire process is. I know
there are lots of you out there in this camp,
and we hope again that you're going to find employment,
and all of you are going to find employment sooner
(36:19):
rather than later. I do think at a big picture
part of what's going on is AI disruption that is
starting to work its way through the economy. And frankly,
I'm not smart enough to understand exactly what the full
on ramifications of this are going to be. But some
of the smartest people in the world believe that the
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next decade is going to be transformative on a level
we may not even be able to comprehend right now.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, it may make the Internet look like small potatoes
by comparison. Just one thing I would say for anyone
who's listening who's having trouble finding a job. In my
experience and I've had I've had very different kinds of careers,
two very different careers really, and look, we're in different.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
So is Clay and Clay started companies especially Now, don't
just rely on blind resumes. If you want to send
those in, that's fine, you know, send them into that inbox.
It could work. It could work. Talk to people, and
I really mean that. You know you're you're at a
car dealership that seems like it's just really really well run,
and you think you'd be good in sales.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Talk to them.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, just just start.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
You don't have to be like, hey, I want a job.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Just start, you know, start gathering that information, creating that
contact with people. I think this is true for a
whole range of things, but for finding a job, people
get jobs from other people. You actually don't get a
job from an email inbox. Always remember that
Weird.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Thankful for you on this Thanksgiving Day for being a
listener here on the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Something that got well, honestly, just moved down the news
priority list. I want to spend some time to talk
to you about it because it is one of those
broad conversations about politics and America and what's going on
today that answers a lot of questions right now and
also gives us a sense as.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
To what the future is going to look like, what
is going on when.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It comes to men and women and their views of life,
specifically for Gen Z adults. Now, all of our boomers
boomers listening, we love you. This matters, as you know,
because these are your kids or grandkids in many cases,
and they shall inherit this republic of ours. And there's
(00:59):
some really stark differences. This is from NBC News polling
data about people eighteen to twenty nine years old.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
So that's Gen Z.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I am a gray beard millennial, Clay, what are you?
Silent generation? You're some other You're not a millennial.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I am the youngest Gen X. You're Joe I am
the youngest generation member of the generation that has saved
America by supporting DOM I'm gonna say more than any
other generation.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
My older brother who is also of your generation. You
guys are the same age. Mason very quick to point
out that Gen X probably has the best generation.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Rep right now.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
It's certainly in the media world like everyone's like Gen
X just getting it done, all cool and you know, collected, uh, millennials,
we got some rough stuff because we complained a lot
about the housing and mortgage meltdown stuff in two thousand
and eight and what that.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Did to our careers.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
But let's let's look at the gen Z situation right now,
because Clay, perhaps this is something you've addressed in your
upcoming book.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Pauls.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Men men are trending in a very clear direction in
that generation. So young men, young adult men right now.
This is from NBC News data young men who voted
for Trump. So Gen Z eighteen to twenty nine, who
voted for Trump, what is important to a personal definition
(02:27):
of success? Thirty four percent of them said having children,
thirty three percent, financial independence, thirty percent, fulfilling job career,
twenty nine percent being married. And then they go into
some other things, doing what you want, being grounded spiritually
twenty four percent. Got to get those are rookie numbers
on spiritual grant, but you know, we got to get
(02:47):
that up a little bit, making community proud, all this stuff, right,
women who voted for Harris, this is what was really stark.
So remember young men who vote for Trump, young women
who vote for Harris. That's what we're looking at here.
Fifty one percent said fulfilling job or career. That's the
number one thing by far. Fulfilling job, having money to
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do what you want, forty six percent. Emotional stability, which
a lot of these women gotta work on, I gotta
tell you, thirty nine percent financial independence, thirty two percent
have it using your talents, thirty seven percent owning a
home twenty percent having children.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Clay and being.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Married were tied for them at the very bottom of
the list at six percent. This is a vision of
two paths for the genders in America as defined by
political affiliation today or separated by political affiliation today. All
(03:51):
these women who are voting for Harris, who are in
their twenties don't care at all about family formation, which
is stunning. Honestly, you see that day. Yeah, it is stunning.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think it's a sign.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
And this is probably gonna get clipped, so prepare yourselves
for the headline.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I love it when he does this. Where's media matters
go for it?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Yeah, I think it's a sign that women are have
been sold to mass delusion, a lot of young women.
And let me explain why. The only reason to want,
in my opinion, a fulfilling job and a career is
so you can afford to have a family. I look,
(04:33):
there are relatively few people whose careers are so important
that they change the world. Okay, if you told me
right now, Hey, Elon Musk, Yeah, he might not be
a great dad. I think he's an incredible he might
be a great dad. I'm not saying it's a negative,
but I'm saying like his career is so important potentially
(04:55):
to the future of the civilization that I can say, Okay,
that seems like a really good use of his time.
You would want, I think people who are supreme geniuses.
If you could you have two kids, or you could
solve cancer, I would submit to you. Ideally you could
do both, but if you had to choose, curing cancer
(05:16):
would be a better societal benefit than you having two kids.
Most people have jobs, though, not to cure cancer or
to solve all the issues that Evon Musk is trying
to solve, but just to be able to have the
resources to have children.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
It's a means to an end to pay bills. That's
why you get paid for it. If it were fun,
they wouldn't have to pay you for it. Now, some
jobs like Clay and I are lucky. We both love
our jobs and we get paid for it. But it
took a long time to get to a place where
that was the case. And this is the reality for
a lot of women play right now. I saw this
(05:54):
from my graduating class at Amherst, Okay, at Emerson College.
There are all these women who at that time, we're
going into management consulting like McKenzie Baine remember where Mitt
Romney was, or they went into investment banking. That is
a situation where you are going to work eighty hours
(06:16):
a week for years and years and years to make money.
You are not curing cancer, you are not. All of
the women that I knew who went into that dropped out.
All of them dropped out because that is not the
way that they want to spend their lives. But society
had set them up for this. Society had convinced them
(06:37):
that this is what they should do.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I also think, and again, these are eighteen to twenty
nine year olds women who voted for Harris, men who
voted for Trump. I also think it is likely to
be the number one complaint of the Harris voting women
that they can't find good men worth dating and having
families with. But all of the young men who are
(07:01):
Trump voters actually want to get married and have kids,
and the women don't want to. And here's the other
thing about this that I think is indicative of having
been sold a false bill of goods. And by the way,
eight hundred and two two two eight a two, maybe
you are in this eighteen to twenty nine year old
female group and you want to react, maybe you are
(07:21):
in the male group. But what is interesting to me
about this as well, Buck, is the women should be
the ones focused on having children because and I don't
want to throw anybody into a full panic here, but
a twenty nine year old woman who hasn't gotten married
and hasn't had kids has a biological clock to worry
(07:42):
about that. A twenty nine year old man does not
have in the same way to worry about. So, if anything,
these should be flipped buck because women, because of biology,
have to think about having children at younger ages than
men do.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
If you're over thirty, it's a geriatric it's officially medically
a geriatric pregnancy. That's what they call it, a geriatric pregnancy.
And the risks factors go up all across. They should
tell people this in schools. By the way, I didn't
learn this stuff until I was an adult, to be
honest with you, I didn't know all the things, all
the risk factors that increase.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'm not saying that that people can make their own
life choices. Some people just want to have a career,
some people don't have a family. It's not about denying
anybody a choice. It's about giving them the facts and
the reality of what is likely and what is true
in general or true in the aggregate about these things.
And for most women, I mean, I'll put it this way, Clay,
most guys that I know, if they weren't trying to
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date and orget, you know, date and get married, would.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Work a lot less hard.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, they'd spend a lot more time in leisure and whatever.
But they want to build something. They want to be providers.
There's something instinctive and instinctual for men about this. For women,
they are generally not always generally set up differently for
what will be a successful and happy life path.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But the influences.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Now, you grew up in a more traditional Americana place
than I did, so I can speak from the New
York City perspective, which is the same in Los Angeles,
and very similar in Chicago, and very similar in d C.
And you know these urban centers where the women of
my generation.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Were all told you need to be you need to.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Compete with men in the workplace, you need to spend
the same kind of hours. You need to put your
career first and figure out family later. And I have
seen it now that I'm in my forties. This has
resulted in life path disappointment and in some cases devastation
for a lot of very talented and you know, wonderful
young women who now can have families or never had
(09:47):
a family, and they want to. I'm not talking to
the people that don't want to. They want to, but
they got their timelines mixed up.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I see this.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Women who vote for Harris Thing and none of them
care about being married or having children. They're going to
change their also for what you can be the first
female VP at the marketing firm at age thirty five
or at age forty. You think that that's guys generally
want to do that so they can have a wife
and kids that they can provide for.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yes, what you are aspiring to to be a suit
in middle management is what people usually do so they
can have kids. And when I look at this, I
just think that young women have been sold a bill
of goods on what the goal.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Of life is.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Because if your goal is just to a mass job
title and then die by yourself, okay, that seems kind
of lonely. It seems not very fulfilling. And I just
think that a lot of young women and I think, frankly, Buck,
this is what you're seeing these women they get older,
(10:59):
they deep inside this is me psychoanalyzing, They deeply inside
reject some of the choices that they made to give
up a family to be to your point of VP
in a bland accounting firm or something. No offense to
everybody out there working in accounting, but I don't think
people are doing cartwheels into the accounting office every day
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because they feel like they're changing the world in such
a positive way, and they make politics their life's focus
because they have to pour their energy and their soul
and their them and vigor and vitality into something and
it's not motherhood and instead it's Donald Trump as Hitler.
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I thought about this gen Z thing when I saw
Trump goes to a steakhouse and there's just a bunch
of chicks that show up and scream a chant that
he's Hitler to him. And you can watch Trump walk
over and kind of look at him like, you chicks
are crazy, Like you can kind of see it, as
I guarantee you, in his head, he's like, what are
these girls doing? Like how is your life's ambition to
(12:04):
show up when somebody's eating at a steakhouse and call
him Hitler. I think you've given up the plot on life,
And I think you're des.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
A lot of a lot of projection. The psychologists would
call it of their frustration that they externalize in order
to avoid dealing with the realities of the choices that
they have made. So Trump is Hitler. Gives them something
to feel bigger than themselves and like they they're a
part of something because a lot of them, the choices
(12:33):
that they have made, don't let them feel that.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Way day in and day out, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I mean I tell my friends this, and my family
is play at the most basic level, not getting into
the spiritual and you know, being a Catholic who's trying
to now become actually more of a of a real
Catholic and going back to the church, but just a
on a basic day to day level. I just think
that take care of your people is my basic life philosophy. Obviously,
your family first and then the people around you, and that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Can keep you really busy.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
If you're actually doing that. If you're taking care of
your people, you really don't have time like those sad
people we saw in DC at the inauguration to be
out in the freezing cold for six hours shouting about
how Trump is hitler with nobody listening, you know. Yeah,
but if you don't have that and you're not taking
care of you, and I don't just mean having kids,
and some people can't have kids, and we're sensitive to that,
(13:21):
of course, but the people around you making decisions to
be meaningful in their lives and to have that consideration
and that discipline in your day to day. That's hard
showing up with your purple hair and you're screaming and
you're you know you, Trump is is is the Antichrist,
although they probably wouldn't put it that way.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
He's hitler. That's easy, that's just that's just narcissism.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Here's a question for you as we go to break
and I'd be curious to hear from people again. This
is an NBC News poll eighteen to twenty nine year
old voters what they care about, male and female? How
many women are lying? Because when I saw these numbers,
I'm like, how many women feel bad to say, hey,
what matters to me is getting married and having kids
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because they feel like they're turning their back on feminism
if they say that, and so they're just lying because
they think other people want to hear. It's crazy to
me that fifty one percent of people would say my
career is my top priority.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I had when before I met my wife and the
love of my life, I had women bail on dates
that I'd ask them out on because they found out
that I was a trumper. So they said, look, you
may be incredibly charming and have amazing hair, but you
voted for Trump and I have to back out of this.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
They didn't say that first part, but that's what they
were thinking. So I'm just saying some of these ladies
are crazy.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I think, and some of them are crazy. I think
women are more susceptible to worrying about what others think
in general than men are, and so I wonder whether
they're being honest in their responses. Welcome back in Clay
Travis buck Sexton show Buck. I do write a ton
about this because I've been thinking about it a lot,
and ultimately, the disconnect between men and women is leading
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to no babies.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
The overall population in Western civilization is collapsing. Women and
men are not having babies. You got to have two
point one male or female in union ideally in order
to replace yourself. Right, that's not happening. And when we
are not having babies, I think a lot of people
sit back and say, Okay, what is causing this? And
(15:30):
tons of you are weighing in. I write about it
a lot in Balls my very under trying to Think
under the radar title about gender roles and how they
impacted the election and how Trump went on and won.
You can find it, you can pre order it, but
we're going to take a bunch of your reactions because
we are flooded with people out there who are saying yes.
(15:53):
And I know unit every generation thinks, Hey, things are
different for us, things are more challenging. Actually reflects that
people are not getting together and they're not having babies
on a level that we've never seen in the history
of America before. So I think this is a thing
and we will talk about it when we come back.
And Hey, I'm Klay Travis and I'm Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
You know what we're thankful for this year, all of you.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
We have the best radio audience in the country, hands down.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Sending a big, warm and happy Thanksgiving from the Clay
and Buck Show. All right, welcome back into Clay Unbuck.
Every line lit and we're going to just rack and
stack calls here because there's a passionate topic about life
choices of young Americans right now. What's important to them.
If you're a guy you voted for Trump, Yeah, you
want a career, but family, super important, kids, super important.
(16:42):
Women who voted for Kamala Harris, according to these numbers
and Clay said, maybe they're just saying what they should,
which is there's probably some of that, but the numbers
are I mean, they care more about where they're getting
their nails done than whether they're ever going to be
married or have kids. Based on this data, it is,
it is outrageous stuff. They care a lot about their
about their career. All right, we have Stacy first up here.
(17:03):
You are a mother of twelve in Minnesota. Did I
get that right? You are a mom of a dozen?
Speaker 6 (17:09):
Yes, yep.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Wow, that is incredible. So what age did you have
your first baby?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I would have been twenty four when I had my
first son.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
And so you have continued and had baby that that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Okay, So how many of those are daughters?
Speaker 6 (17:25):
We have seven girls and five boys.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay, so I'm fascinated.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
What are you telling all of these kids and what
do you see from them as it pertains to gender identity,
gender roles, all these different things that you are you're
an expert.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
If you got seven of one and five of the other, well.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Yeah, so you know, we just point them to the
Lord for the first and foremost, he's the one who
He's the one who gave him to us, and we're
just they're just on loan, and so we need to
raise them to go into the world and to be
able to know the truth, which is only found in
His word, and also to you know, to be able
(18:07):
to decipher, to be able to think critically, because obviously
nowadays that's kind of become a lost art.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Can I can I ask you? I'm curious about this.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I want to ask about the pressure if your your
girls feel pressure to delay family formation in order to
do more career stuff. Maybe you can tackle that one first.
But I also just have to throw in there. Do
you guys travel in like a like a motorcade? Like
how do you do that? You've do you have a
few suburbans, you know, like that when the president moves.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Yeah, that's a good question. We have an express fan,
so yeah, it's it's like a mini bus basically is
kind of you know what you would can call it.
I would say it's fun.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's funny. You have all your kids on the bus together, like,
that's that's a good time.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Right, And and obviously we have two that just got
married this past summer, so you know they're starting to
leave the nest and and and they're definitely looking forward
to having their own children.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So yes, but do your girls feel like there's a
lot of pressure on them socially to delay, you know,
do you ever pick that up from them that they
feel like, oh, you know, at first I have to
make VP at the at the accounting firm before I
could even think about getting married. Or not so much, no,
not so much.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
No, they they embrace the role as a woman, you know,
and that doesn't and that doesn't have to be competing
with men. And I think that's where our culture has
gone wrong. We feel like we have to compete with men,
which we all have our different talents and abilities and gifts.
And why don't we embrace, you know, being a woman,
(19:36):
because I mean, I don't sure don't want to be
a man, like I wouldn't want his responsibilities in certain
areas and he can't have children, right, we know biologically
that a man can't have a child. So like there's
a reason God gave us different roles. And I mean,
I'm not saying there's different situations for different people, but
I think the more we fight against the way we
(19:57):
are created, that's why we're in the trouble. We'riten this world.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Thank you, thank you so much. And that's that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
And uh and Elon would be would be proud of
you for helping to repopulate the world. You're doing more
than your part. So God bless and thank you so
much for calling in.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Uh. Let's twelve kids.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Yeah, that's an incredible accomplishment. Darcy in Houston, she said
she's got a couple of gen Z girls. Darcy, what
do you see?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
I have two gen Z girls. I have a senior
in high school and a senior in college. And we
have raised both of our girls to understand that you
don't have life balance in the day to day, you
have life balance in the cycle of life. So you know,
I was advanced maternal age, but on both of our girls,
(20:48):
and so I like I had a bit of a career.
Then I stepped away. I took time to be with
our kids. I homeschooled them. The oldest graduated from home school.
She's now Texas and University College of Civil Engineering. And
now I haven't gone back to work full time, but
I work on our investments in our real estate portfolio,
(21:09):
and we have three passive investments. We have numerous single
family homes and we're looking at an apartment complex. So
you have to understand that the balance of life is
day to day. I mean, I've been a university professor overseas,
We've lived in four different countries. It's life has been
an adventure, and both of our girls look forward to
(21:33):
achieving a balance that fits who they are and who
that eventual partner husband in their life is.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Do you think that they're more challenged in their generation
than you were in yours with balancing that?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Absolutely. And the reason that I say that is because
I am Clay. I'm older than you. You're a young buck.
In my world, I was born in sixteen nine, and dating,
I think the huge challenge right now is dating. My
oldest had a boyfriend, but and my youngest everything is groups.
(22:10):
And I'm sure you see that with your boys. Everything
is a group date. Very seldom do you have that
one on one and even if it's a one on
one boyfriend girlfriend, there's still a group. Everything is group,
and so that opportunity to get to know someone individually
is being lost in that generation and that's something that's
(22:33):
really hard for parents to overcome.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Thank you for the call, Buck, I don't know if
I've told you this. One of my kids, I won't
say which one was talking to a girl and I said, well,
you should just go get pizza with her, and I
think this is emblematic of their generation in general. He
was like just the two of us, and I was like, yeah, yeah.
(22:58):
It was like they like to call me an unk.
It was like I had given the most unk advice
of all time. Was like, well, you know, instead of
just talking on the phone and not actually seeing each
other in person, you should.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Just go have pizza together. And I just remember just
the two of us.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
To her point, it is all group gatherings and or
not gathering at all because they're on their cell phones.
And here's the other thing. And I know this has
become huge all over the country. Everyone I knew when
you turn sixteen years old, this may be a little
(23:38):
bit different for you in New York City because you
guys got out and about without cars. Everybody I knew.
It wasn't just when you turned sixteen. It was your
oldest best friend who could suddenly take you in a
car and you could go to the movies, or you
could go to the mall, or you could go to
a fast food restaurant, or you could go to a
sporting event together to go watch it was there's a
(24:00):
level of liberation that we all desperately craved and counted
down the days until it could happen. We all knew
when somebody was going to take their driver's test, we
all knew when somebody was getting their permit. Nobody cares.
Kids today are like, eh, I can get a license
or I could not.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Partly, I think it's a reality of uber and the
fact that we're in different communications and so all of
that factors in, I think in a significant way. But
that in and of itself, I think is a sign
of how the culture has changed in a significant way.
(24:43):
We just had the call Christy. Was it Christy who
called in from Utah? She was talking about the job
market she works in HR and the challenges that she
is seeing. I'm sure that many of you who are
looking for jobs have seen the same thing. Here's what
I think is going on, Buck. You can sign on
or not sign on to this. I think that AI
(25:06):
is going to be incredibly transformative for many different companies
out there, and I actually think that some of the
jobs that are being pushed aside right now are actually
more white collar than blue collar in nature.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And so there are certain jobs.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Let's say you're a plumber right now, I don't think
there's AI plumbing that is taking away your job. I
don't think that if you're a roofer, there's AI roofing
that is changing what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Truck driving, so far, all those.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Things quote unquote blue collar jobs, working with your hands
in some sort of factory. I think there are a
lot of thought related so called white collar jobs. Then
a lot of companies are just not filling right now
because they don't know necessarily how quickly AI is going
to advance and eliminate a lot of these jobs. So
(26:00):
I think there's a bit of an inversion in the
job market where there are a lot of people who
felt very confident, Hey, I'm always going to have a job,
and I talk about this with my boys even now.
I buck I think a lot of lawyers are going
to be losing their jobs in the years ahead, because
when I graduated law school, you had twenty five year
old lawyers who would sit in front of a computer
(26:22):
screen and would be looking through documents and flagging the
relevant documents and all these things billing hundreds of dollars.
That's going to become automated. I think a lot of
these consulting jobs that people got, a lot of these
investment banking jobs, they are remember the super skilled.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
If you remember share In the Timeless classic, Clueless gets
into trouble with the mean associate lawyer because she highlights
the June ninth calls or whatever, and she's supposed to
highlight the June fifth calls. But in the nineties you
had lawyers who were making hundreds and hundreds of dollars
an hour doing stuff like that going through phone records.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Not even just the nineties, I mean until recently.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Uh, the once you start to use AI as a tool,
and I would recommend that all of you do so
for your own lives.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
As a tool.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Look, I'll tell you, and it tells you don't do this,
or rather it doesn't say don't do this, it says,
don't rely on this. I've uploaded my blood work to groc.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
To try to get ideas for health like.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Because because the doctor, you know the doctor, as you
all know, you go in there for the most part,
you get you get your five minutes with the doctor.
Here's the big problem. Here's this whatever. I'm like, well,
what about this? What about that? I'm always a person
who I have more questions than the doctor wants to answer.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I can sit there and ask. Now, groc will tell
you it's not a doctor.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Same thing with Gemini and these other you know, uh
chat ept and so you should always consult with your doctor.
But if you're just you know, so there's that disclaimer.
But it is amazing the detailed information, factual information you
can get on these things. But do you remember that
scene from Clueless? Right, Oh yeah, it's a great movie
and he's like he's like, you do what you want
with your butts. I'm calling in sick. And then she's
(28:02):
like so sad, and then she gets romantic with her stepbrother,
which I feel like everyone was just a little too
okay with in that movie.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Remember that played.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
By Pel Rudd.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Josh, Yeah, Josh is the stepbrother and they're playing smoochy smooch.
But it's like, that's your stepbrother. I think that's weird.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Do you think that Paul Rudd is maybe one of
the people who has least aged in the last thirty
five years. I mean, I don't know what he does
but if you look at him in basically his entire
acting career, he doesn't look very different now than he
did all the way back. He's basically looked thirty for
about thirty five years.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
That sounds about right, probably, Yeah, yeah, he's not quite
at Tom Cruise level where you're like, what what alien
science experiments are being run to make him still look
like he should be running around doing fly kicks when
the guy's like my dad's age.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
But yeah, sure, right, what let.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Me ask you this though, do you sign on to
my idea that AI initially is having more of an
upper middle class job impact than it is lower You know,
when I say class, I mean like what your salary is.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
It's an enormous white collar. It's an enormous efficiency tool
for bureaucratic and paper shuffling kind of work. And so
there are a lot of people who work on who
have jobs where that is their job. What is the
job really entail? It entails doing, you know, doing research
(29:31):
for things, going through things, finding things. Well, now you
can upload a you know, you can upload one hundred
thousand pages if you want to into some of these
AI programs, and it will give you every citation or
every every statistical example of whatever you're looking for, and
it can do it in a couple of minutes, so
(29:53):
you think about the time savings. We actually talked to
doctor Marty McCay about this and what's going on with
the FDA. Yeah, for massive medical trials, you know which
they do these big you know, ten year, fifteen thousand
person data sets and all this this is gonna make
that No, that's just a I think that's nothing but upside.
But to your point about some of these jobs, here's
(30:15):
what we had an HR A lady from HR calling before, right,
just saying that out loud. I feel like I'm about
to get in trouble for something. Yeah, right, we're gonna
get in HR lady call for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So is it just gonna be honest?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Clay and I have existed in the world where you
never want to hear from the HR lady.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I'm just gonna it's like, you know, especially if.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
It's a lady, I don't know, You're just gonna get
where It just means that we said something might have
been a joke that was made.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Does anyone get excited when the phone rings and they're like, hey,
it's HR you're like, oh no, like there's nobody out
there listening to us right now.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's like I've been waiting for this call. Thank the Lord.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I'm so so a little bit like when I get
my when I get a letter that says Internal Revenue
Service on it, I'm never like, oh sweet, I want
to open this one. So now I understand HR people
are probably all very annoyed with us right now and
would not hire us, but they would say, what about
when I have the amazing news of giving somebody their
dream job?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
And of course that is a.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
This was like what Clay the one the one season
of high school soccer I coached, The greatest thing was
the joy on the faces of the kids who wanted
to make the team so bad and were marginal who
made it that there we had. I had a couple
of like stuperstars who were going to go play in college,
but I had two or three. I was like, well,
these kids are you know, they're they're like better than
I ever was, and they're freshmen. And then you know,
(31:32):
there were kids that were marginal. That was the greatest thing.
The worst thing was the kids who teared up when
they were close and didn't make it, and I had
to tell them, you know what I mean. That's the
so HR cuts both ways, right, because yeah, on the
one side you get to tell people dream job. The
other side it's I know this would have been a
life changing salary increase for you, but we anyway. So
I think though an HR, and particularly you're seeing AI
(31:54):
is because it's large data sets, it's efficiency based, and
their AI is doing the job of a lot of
HR people right now. And that is our that is
written about, that is clear, that is happening. So what
is HR really going to be doing because it's just
gonna You're gonna set your parameters. I need X amount
of years of experience I need, you know, I'm gonna
look up, prioritize the following schools, et cetera, et cetera.
(32:15):
You can have somebody do this now with ten thousand
resumes and give you your top ten resumes in five minutes,
three minutes.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I think that's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I also think there's just a lot of pause on
hiring on those jobs because companies are saying, wait a minute,
maybe we don't fill that opening that we have. Look,
and here is the Elon has come out recently and said, Hey,
we're rapidly advancing to a world I think he said
the other day where having a job will be like
(32:45):
growing your own produce. People can choose to do it,
but it's not going to be the standard.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Now.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
These are people who believe that AI is truly, over
the next ten to fifteen years, going to be transformative
in a way that frankly most of us can't even comprehend,
and that we're going to basically have to figure out
a way to reorient society without working being a huge
part of it.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
This is where I'm reminded of Neval who I've mentioned
several times before on the show Silicon Valley guy, founder
of Angel List. It's been on a lot of the
big podcasts, and I just think is a very interesting
and sound thinker on things like this in particular. And
he breaks this down Clay into wealth versus status in
(33:32):
society and wealth and I think you very much take
this approach in general, like this is a part of
your We talked to this at WO WO and they're asking,
what do you know about Claire, what do you know
about Buck? I think you believe that there are ways
that everybody can win and everybody can be doing better.
And that's true about wealth and anybody who denies that.
All of you right now who are driving around in
(33:55):
your car with your you know, your Venti Starbucks, hope for.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Your Crockett coffee actually, but.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
In your heated seats, with your air bags, on your
iPhone everything else. You are living in a space age
unimaginable future of wealth compared to what King Henry the eighth,
like the actual king, would have had, right you, your.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Health of us that live better now than the wealthiest
people did two hundred years ago.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yes, basically, your your healthcare is better, your food is better,
your your comfort is better.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Your bed gotta get.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Those sheets from you know what I'm talking about Cozy Earth.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Henry.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
You know he was robust. He didn't have cozy Earth sheets.
You got you have incredible wealth. Status is I'm in
a better place than you. Status is how do I
stack up to him or her?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Status is a different thing. And he says that people
should always separate those in their minds. And when you're
talking about AI, you're talking about what should be able
to be widely distributed increases on of societal and global
wealth along the lines of what we're talking about, which
is everybody has more, but it might get to the
(35:09):
point where everybody has so much more that people start
to hyper focus on what somebody next to them has
instead of what they have. And this is where you
get into whether people will be happy, whether people will
be fulfilled by these things?
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Will will you really be fulfilled if.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
You have I don't remember the name of the robotic
made from the Jetsons, but cleaning up everything, Row, thank
you Rosie making your food, cleaning up everything. You're still
gonna have wants and needs as a human being. You
know you're still you know this is this is by
the way, Clay. I also think, and I put myself
this category two. A lot of people have really earnestly
gone back to their faith and gone back to church
(35:47):
in recent years because I think they see, you know,
chasing the material things. Material things may get really boring
soon because everyone's going to have their material needs met.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Yeah, And for Christy who called in keep your head up.
I've been fired multiple times. I've lost my jobs multiple times.
I know how stressful that entire process is. I know
there are lots of you out there in this camp,
and we hope again that you're going to find employment,
and all of you are going to find employment sooner
(36:19):
rather than later. I do think at a big picture
part of what's going on is AI disruption that is
starting to work its way through the economy. And frankly,
I'm not smart enough to understand exactly what the full
on ramifications of this are going to be. But some
of the smartest people in the world believe that the
(36:40):
next decade is going to be transformative on a level
we may not even be able to comprehend right now.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, it may make the Internet look like small potatoes
by comparison. Just one thing I would say for anyone
who's listening who's having trouble finding a job. In my
experience and I've had I've had very different kinds of careers,
two very different careers really, and look, we're in different.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
So is Clay and Clay started companies especially Now, don't
just rely on blind resumes. If you want to send
those in, that's fine, you know, send them into that inbox.
It could work. It could work. Talk to people, and
I really mean that. You know you're you're at a
car dealership that seems like it's just really really well run,
and you think you'd be good in sales.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Talk to them.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, just just start.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
You don't have to be like, hey, I want a job.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Just start, you know, start gathering that information, creating that
contact with people. I think this is true for a
whole range of things, but for finding a job, people
get jobs from other people. You actually don't get a
job from an email inbox. Always remember that
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