December 9, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerhouse mix of political analysis, historical intrigue, and economic debate. The hour begins with a high-profile interview featuring Bill O’Reilly, who shares candid insights from his recent conversations with President Trump. O’Reilly ranks Trump among the top ten U.S. presidents, praising his unmatched work ethic while noting that Abraham Lincoln will always hold the number one spot. He contrasts Trump’s accomplishments with what he calls Joe Biden’s catastrophic presidency, arguing Biden failed to solve a single major problem during his term. O’Reilly also warns that affordability concerns—particularly rising insurance costs—could become a defining issue in the 2026 midterms, even as Trump touts strong economic fundamentals like job growth and stock market gains.
The discussion pivots to Trump’s economic strategy and his push to address affordability through a Pennsylvania tour. Clay and Buck emphasize that inflation and high prices remain top-of-mind for voters, regardless of improving economic indicators. They spotlight Trump’s critique of Obamacare, playing audio where Trump blasts the law as a “disaster” that enriches insurance companies while leaving Americans with skyrocketing premiums and shrinking networks. The hosts argue that the entire healthcare system is broken, riddled with hidden costs and subsidies, and warn that demographic shifts—more retirees and fewer young workers—will strain programs like Social Security and Medicare for decades to come.
From domestic policy, the conversation shifts to national security and immigration. Clay and Buck analyze the controversy surrounding U.S. strikes on Venezuelan narco-trafficking boats, noting Trump’s defense of the operations and his fiery exchange with ABC’s Rachel Scott over releasing surveillance video. Polling shows strong public support for the strikes, but the hosts say Democrats are scrambling to weaponize the issue against Trump. They also highlight Trump’s immigration successes, including data suggesting self-deportation trends under his policies, while contrasting that with far-left efforts to shield illegal immigrants from enforcement. A viral clip of New York City mayoral hopeful Zohran Mamdani advising illegals on how to avoid ICE raids sparks outrage and underscores the Democrats’ vulnerability on border security.
Hour 2 closes with a spirited debate on taxes and spending. Callers weigh in on whether taxes or insurance costs are the biggest financial burden, prompting Clay and Buck to break down the reality: over half of Americans pay no federal income tax, while government spending under Biden—$6.8 trillion in 2021 alone—fueled historic inflation. The hosts dismantle progressive proposals like tax exemptions as reparations, pointing out that many households already pay zero federal income tax. They end the hour by reaffirming that Biden’s reckless spending spree drove inflation from 1.7% to over 9%, cementing economic frustration as a key issue heading into the next election cycle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we're rolling
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
There.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We are on every social media platform under the sun.
And we are joined now by Bill O'Reilly. You can
find him certainly all over the internet now at Bill
O'Reilly dot com. He's got regular articles there. He is
a best selling author who has got one bestseller after another.
(00:39):
And we were just actually talking about Whoopy. Goldberg said
Bill that Trump will just have no legacy whatsoever and
he will vanish on The Idiot Show, the view that
she enjoys appearing on, and Buck and I both feel
like Trump is definitely the most consequential figure of the
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twenty first century. And Bill, I said, I would put
Trump right now behind only Reagan in my life as
the best presidents. Now, you're a little bit older than me,
but I was born in the last year of Jimmy
Carter's presidency. You're a history guy, though, where would you
put Trump? And how do you assess Biden? Since we
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know Biden's ten years over. How do you think history
views this era of those guys.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, first of all, we have to take Whippy Goldberg
seriously because she was in a movie called Ghost where
she could see everything that happened, So I'm sure that's
carried over to her real life. And we know she
has a PhD in history and political science, a combination
which is extraordinary, So we can't just dismiss miss Goldberg
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out of hand. I'm being, of course detious. I read
a book called Confronting the President's which is right behind
Confronting Evil, which is out now them up, by the way.
You get both books on Bill O'Reilly dot com for
a very fine price. Now, every time I see President Trump,
and the last time was five days ago in the
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White House, so he's spent forty minutes with him, he's
asking me the same question that you just asked me,
So what's my legacy? Am I number one? Yet? And
you know I can't be. He's never going to be
number one. Abraham Lincoln will always be the best president
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of the United States.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Hold up the President. You're in the Oval office. This
is a great scene. You're in the Oval Office with
the president, and the president who trust your historical acumen,
is saying, Hey, Bill, how do you rank that? This
is very very funny. So he's asking you directly, Hey,
where do I rank right now? And you told him,
I mean, I love this. You told him what exactly?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I told him that, you know he's going I should
be number one. That's the samement he makes. I said,
you'll never be number one, you know me. I mean,
I don't hander to anybody. I said, You're never going
to be number one because Lincoln was so extraordinary and hell,
the Union together when few other presidents would have been
able to do that. But you're in the top ten
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right now, and you're the hardest working president of all time.
No president has ever approached the work ethic of Donald Trump.
And it's not even closed. There's not even a close
second to that. And I said, but a lot of
your policies are yet to be known as far as
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their effectiveness is concerned. You got the border in your pocket, okay.
And you also have accomplishments because you followed the second
worst president in our history, Joe Biden. Only James Buchanan,
who led up to Lincoln and who was an abject
coward and allowed this out to arm itself for four
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years in preparation of the War of Rebellion and began
and did nothing. Knew it. I was too afraid to
do anything about it. Worst president ever, Biden's number two.
Why because in four years Joe Biden did not solve
one problem in this country, not one. And all my
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liberal friends who voted for him and Kamala Harris, when
I say to them very politely, because I don't get
angry about political differences, that's foolish. When I say, all right,
give me one thing that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
He did, Joe, I'm sorry, Bill, I got to jump
in real quick. You're leading out that President Biden solved
Hunter's legal issues, which, to be fair, he swooped in
on that.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, well, I'll debase you on that anytime you want.
But they, the people voted for him, cannot come up
with one.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah. Well, they certainly don't care that Hunter got a pardon,
or if they do, I think they don't like it.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
But you're right, if it were Donald Trump, junior President
Trump would have done the same thing. So I'm in
honest Scott, Yeah, all right, So.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I was kidding about the pardon thing. I'm not trying
to divert you from what you're saying. He clearly is
a terrible president who didn't manage to solve much of anything.
But I also want to ask you, Bill, if I
could the president, the current president who you say is excellent,
not number one. He probably was a little miffed at that,
but that's okay. He's an excellent president. He's going on
a affordability tour of sorts, going to eastern Pennsylvania, because
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I think there's a recognition even in this White House
that despite the excellent policies, there's frustration with the economy
on affordability. Do you think Trump's making the right move
here by going Do you think that this is something
that the White House can successfully address so we don't
lose the control of a House in the mid terms.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
On the night before Thanksgiving, I was at the Islander
hockey game and the puff was about to drop and
I got a phone call from President Trump right at
the game. Now, when a president calls, so you got
to take the call. He can't go to voicemail, all right,
So I got a private office. The owner of the
team is a friend of mine and President Trump can
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proceed to yell at me for ten minutes, all right,
which is not usual, all right, and when he gets going,
you can't interrupt. He's essence of the disenchantment with O'Reilly
was that I was reporting that the affordability situation could
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very much hurt him because it all he has to
do is go back to twenty eighteen mid terms. He
got whacked. Trump got whacked, and Obama got whacked, and
in terms of very difficult to hold, and the press
is pounding every second affordability, affordability, affordability. Now, the stats
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are not bad for Trump, they're not, in fact. On
the New Span News tonight, I'll lay them all out
for you. But if you have a specific stat you want,
I'll give it to you. N Out, the economy is
in pretty good shape. Stock market's good for one K people,
retirement plant people, prospering. You can get a job as
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you want it. Wages are up, Bacon is up. If
you like bacon, you're paying them more of a bacon, okay,
But a whole number of other foods are down. So
this is a contrived thing. With one exception. Insurance costs
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are killing working Americans, killing them health insurance, car insurance,
house insurance. After President Trump got through yelling at me,
I said, all right, it's my job to report what's happening,
mister President. Of course you're not going to like some
of it, but I'm fair. This is what you have
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to do. You got to get out there and you've
got to tell people in twenty six here's what we're
going to do to bring down these prices, very specifically.
So I think he followed my advice, but I'm sure
he got that advice from other people as well. I'm
not taking credit for it. And he's out in Pennsylvania tonight. Bill.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
This is a little bit of a pivot.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
But the last time we had you on, we had
a caller who wanted us to ask you about Patten's
death and whether you bought into and I know you
wrote about the death of Patent in your Killing series.
What you thought about is death and whether he wrote
a book killing Patent? Yeah, whether what your take is
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on that death and what occurred.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Okay, First of all, you get all the books, and
this is a shameless plug, but you guys are nice.
You can get all thirteen Killing books in the two
confronting books, in one package on Billoreilly dot com, which
will save you hundreds of dollars in Christmas gift expenses
because people want these books. Okay, so you get fifteen,
(09:29):
you dole them out. You add up the money that
you spent on that as opposed to what you would
spend on fifteen individual gifts. Your way ahead, billo'reilly dot com.
Killing Patten, we walk through the whole career of the
best American general in World War Two, second best in
history next to John Pershing. Pershing was the best, Okay,
(09:53):
Patton was second. At the end of his life, many
very strange things to George Patten, none of them added up.
He should not have died in that hospital in Luxembourg.
So a lot of people, including me, suspect that he
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was murdered. Who would want to murder him? Russia stalin
Soviet Union, and they had access because you remember they
were our allies in World War Two, because Patten wanted
to fight them. He did not want to stop because
he knew that the Soviet Union was going to be
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replace Hitler in the Nazis is our main enemy.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So when you say he was killed, sorry to cut
you off, do you mean that the poisoned in the
wake of the car accident while he was recovering.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Okay, poisoned in the hospital, and the car accident itself
did not make any sense, and we trace it in
killing that it did not make any sense. So anyway
that I'm not a conspiracy guy. You guys know that
I don't deal with that. I am a reporter and
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what I lay out is one hundred percent accurate. The
only resolution to this is to exhoom the general's body,
which is in europe a test. They did that for
Zachary Taylor. Zachary Taylor got that treatment. They won't do
it for Patten.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, And do we have a caller dad, Bill, We
had a caller who called in who said, who claimed
that his father was the driver for the car when
Patten was in that accident. You mentioned, just wanted you
to hear this. This is thirty one.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You say your dad was driving the car when Patten
was killed, when he died in the car.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Accident, yes he was. Okay, Well, what did your dad
tell you about it?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
He actually died nine days later. He was driving a
thirty eight Cadillac Limo and Patton was sitting in the
back on the edge of the seat as usual, and
they were waiting for a train to pass, and he
in a pass. He pulled away, got up to about
twenty five miles an hour, and there was a personnel
carrier about a quarter mile down the road that pulled
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out at the same time. And when they got to
each other, the personnel carrier turned right into the Cadillac
and Patton flew forward, hit his forehead on the partition
between the front and back, scalped his you know, put
to the scalp himself, and broke his neck.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And so from your perspective, your dad told you there
is no conspiracy. There's for people out there that have
bought not believe that this was a traffic accident, and
it was a freak accident in some way based on
the speed the Patten died.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Never talked about any conspiracies about it or anything like that.
But I mean, there's three drunk ti eyes that all disappeared,
you know, they were they were in the personnel carreer
and uh, you know, Patton was starting to do a
lot better and then he died just all of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Take it away, What do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Man? I believe that his father was the driver the
three soldiers he fighted. That that is unbelievable evidence. I mean,
when you get a general, a four star dying in
this kind of circumstance, you would interview everybody, and nothing
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was done. Nothing was done. Washington's tiered to Patten. That
would be Harry Truman the Democratic Party, because Patten was
going to run for president. He's going to come back
to the United States and run just as Eisenhower did.
And Eisenhower, of course won. And so there were a
lot of reasons that Patten had a lot of enemies,
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but the big enemy was Stalin, and Stalin had access.
So I'm not saying that Patten was murdered because I
cannot prove it. What I am saying is that you
could find out if this general was poisoned or not,
and nobody is apparently wants to do that.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
So that's the point about he had a turn for
the worse in the hospital. I mean, that was It's
interesting that that he was. It seemed he was getting
better than all of a sudden, And so you're saying
that all of a sudden to you is very suspicious.
You'd like to get to the bottom of it, or
people to get to the bottom of it with the
testing of Patten's remains.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, if you read Killing Patten, anybody very interested in
this subject, should we really walk through it in a
non hysterical way, so we have all the eyewitness reports
in there. And you know, in my style, my style
is I'm not boring you. I am moving this story along.
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But I'm not a guy who ordinarily buys into this stuff.
But here you had motive, you had accessibility, you had
enemies both abroad and at home, and George is a
tough guy. He was a big, strong guy, and it
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just doesn't stack Bill.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Thank you for hanging out with us here. Good Christmas gift.
As you said, Bill, oo'reilly dot com for not only
Killer real quick.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I know you got to hit a break. President Trump
asked me to give him Confronting Evil, specifically for the
chapter on Putin, because we trace that what has happened
to Putin, he's not the same guy that Trump was
(15:52):
dealing with in the first term. And the President wrote
me a really nice note after he read Confronting Evil.
So I just want people to know that that is
out there.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
That's outstanding. Thank you for the background stories. We'll talk
to you again, probably after the first of the new year.
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to you.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Okay, guys, you too have fun. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
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Speaker 3 (18:50):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we
have much to discuss with the Trump round table that
occurred yesterday. We're just talking to Bill O'Reilly about the
situation of affordability, and Bill saying that there's a lot
of perception driving that, more so even than the actual
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cold hard numbers if you look into it, which I'm
sure that is the case. But Trump at an ECON roundtable. Look,
he's going to Pennsylvania to address affordability because it's a
political issue, whether the numbers bear that out entirely or not.
And a lot of people do feel like, well, first
of all, prices are high, they've remained high. So you
have to get into okay, is it that affordability is
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not an issue, or is that it's not Trump's fault
that affordability is an issue or a whole range of things.
But one thing that is definitely the case that came
up is Obamacare. Play. These new Obamacare premiums, they're just
going up and up, and networks are getting smaller and smaller,
and sure enough, the whole promise of Obamacare has fallen apart.
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And that's been the case for a long time. Trump
here this is cut twenty one, was saying, look, it's
been great for the insurance companies. It's been really bad
for people that actually need healthcare. Play twenty one.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
The insurance companies stock has gone up by seventeen eighteen
hundred percent. They're taking in trillions of dollars. I don't
want to pay the insurance companies anything, and I know
a lot of them, but they're owned by the Democrats,
and the Democrats have Obamacare is a setup to make
insurance companies rich. And I want to pay the people,
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and I want the people to go out and buy
their own health care. And that's what we want to do,
and that's what the Republicans want to do. Because Obamacare
is a disaster.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Clay, it is a disaster and It's time Republicans dig
into this so that Democrats can't control the message in
going into the midterms.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
All of healthcare. It is a disaster.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And I don't care if you're a Democrat, Republican, or independent.
Nobody has any idea what things cost. Nobody is happy.
I would submit to you that everyone's least favorite thing
almost in the world is having to get on the
phone with an insurance company adjuster and try to explain
why you're being overcharged. To the extent that you can
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even tell what your bill has on it. It is
all just a huge game of hide the hide the ball.
And what Trump is saying is in essence a very
real position, and honestly, I think most people out there
would probably prefer this. It's let you have the money
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and then make your own decisions about what healthcare you need.
I don't even think most people realize, if they're not
the employer, what percentage of your overall salary goes for healthcare. Now,
this is crazy. I mean, there are lots of people
out there paying twenty five thirty thirty five thousand dollars
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a year for your healthcare plans inside of whatever job
you get, and you don't see that money. You don't
have any idea how it's being allocated. I think huge
percentages of people out there listening to us would like
to get all of that money tax free to themselves
and then be able to make the choices about how
to best allocate those resources for them and their family.
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And so what we basically have is a huge subsidy
for all the health insurance companies of America. That is
what Obamacare is. And the problem here, Buck is the math.
We have way more older people entering into needing substantial
amounts of health care than we do young people. And
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by the way, this is not just for health care,
this is social security, this is everything. All of these
government policies are predicated on constantly having way more young
people than we do old people. And in the next
twenty thirty forty years, the reality is we're going to
have way more old people than we are young people.
And that's true in a lot of countries, and the
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shell game, the hide the ball aspect of this are
going to become more and more prominent, and people are
going to get angry here because they don't feel like
they're getting a good value for their money. I mean
I hate to say, and but this is part of
what motivated the United Healthcare CEO shooting. Is people are
just misallocating anger and in many ways lashing.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Out when you see what the real structure of Obamacare is.
You have to have a lot of young, healthy people
who don't use very much in the way of healthcare
resources to spend into a system that is going to
put a huge majority of it on older, sicker people.
And that's so the whole system is a redistribution of
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wealth via healthcare. And then beyond that, there's also people
who are getting subsidized in the programs that on these exchanges.
That's what was really an issue in this shutdown. Government
just funneling money into it to make it seem not
as bad as it really is for individuals. But you
have a lot of people who are getting massive subsidies
because if they had to pay what the market rate
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is based upon the system of redistribution, the pricing on
this would be insane. I mean, you'd be paying fifty
grand a year for health insurance. Remember, not for health care.
You're still on the hook to pay for your health care.
You know, you know, twenty percent of the one hundred
percent of the whatever percent they say is like, oh,
you know, customary and normal or however they phrase the
language so that they can play all these games the
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insurance companies. So that's a giant mess. And then there's
also this because we've been discussing the boat strikes in
mostly in the Caribbean against the Narco terrorists. This is
Trump with ABC's Rachel Scott, a little bit of a
back and forth here. There's now a push Clay to
have the video released because clearly we have video because
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we were they were under is are there under surveillance?
This has cut twenty Trump doesn't like this request.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Whatever heck says wants to do, is okay with you? Said,
that's under review.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Are you ordering the secretary to release that folded.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Aim and whatever he decides, okay with me. So every
boat we knock out of the water, every boat we
saved twenty five thousand American lives. That was a boat
loaded up with drugs. I saw the video. They were
trying to turn the boat back to where it could
Floato did not just tell you that. He said that
it was obnoxious reporter in the whole place. Let me
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just tell you you learn an obnoxious, a terrible actually
a terrible reporter. And it's always the same.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Thing with you.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
I told you, whatever Pete hegg Set wants to do
is okay with me.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
There you go, Clay laying it down. They're trying to
create a fall guy here. They tried to create the
Admiral as the fall guy. They tried to create hag
Set as the fall guy. They've tried to create Trump
as the fall guy. This story, other than on the
far left wing, has vanished as soon as the video
was shown in behind closed doors in Congress. Now, I
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know some Democrats came out and they said, oh my goodness,
I can't believe this happened. But the fact that the
story vanished kind of tell you what the video is
going to show. And I presume the video will show
what has been reported already. And the numbers came out
from the Harvard Harris poll that I believe it was
fifty eight percent of Americans support the strikes that are
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going on with Venezuelan Narco boats, forty two percent disagree.
And I bet if you show that video then it'll
break down. About sixty percent of people will say, yeah,
I agree with that, and about forty percent will say no,
I disagree. But this is the world in which we're in,
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where you kind of have people floundering in every direction
trying to find something to be able to pin to Trump,
and so far they really aren't able to find anything.
And I think it's going to be a challenge going
forward how exactly they convey their anger over Trump. And
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we come back, we can play audio because Susie Wiles
Buck is telling everybody that Trump plans to be on
the road campaigning, starting in Pennsylvania right now to sell
the agenda that he has put in place, and I
grabbed a picture. I need to tweet it out again.
I think a large degree of Trump's success is just
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being ignored because he saw things so quickly on the
border that almost no one is able to even contemplate
how quickly he saw things. And I was reading our
buddy Ryan Gardusky this morning as I was doing my prep.
The White House has said about two million people have
self deported and or been removed who are illegals. And
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Ryan Gardusky looked at the data on newborns in the
country and he said, actually, the data does support the
idea that there are increasing numbers of people leaving the
country because they're not having kids. Non citizens, illegals are
not having kids at the rates that they were before.
(28:00):
But when you look at the graphic, it's really kind
of amazing to see. Yes, the Trump immigration policies are
working in ways that aren't even necessarily at the center
of the conversation on immigration, but are very very effective.
On the other side of things, you have Zoron Mamdani
(28:20):
in New York City telling people how to telling illegals
how to avoid law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
This is cut twenty four. Listen to this.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
One if you encounter ICE.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
These are the things that every New Yorker should know.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
First.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
ICE cannot enter into private spaces like your home, school,
or private area of your workplace without a judicial warrant
signed by a judge that looks like this. If ICE
does not have a judicial warrant signed by a judge,
you have the right to say I do not consent
to entry, and the right to keep your door closed.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
Sometimes ICE will show.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
You paperwork it looks like this and tell you that
they have the right.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
To arrest you.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
That is false.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
ICE is legally allowed to live you, but you have
the right to remain silent if you're being detained, you
may always ask am I free to go repeatedly until
I answer you. You're legally allowed to film ice as
long as you do not interfere with an arrest. New
Yorkers have a constitutional right to protest, and when I'm there,
we will protect that right.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I just say, imagine if you did this for drug dealers,
all of that would be true as well. Let me
be clear, everything that he said there is true in general,
for any criminal, for any violation of law. All of
that is true. But he's doing it for illegals because
they're at for Democrats. Illegals are a protected class of
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person Clay. And this is what is going to continue
to be a huge problem from this is what is
going to continue to drag them down because they can't
avoid that reality without completely inflaming the left wing base
of their party.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Look, and they're on the wrong on this issue. They're
on the wrong on every issue, which is why I
think you're going to see them just try to pivot
and blame Trump for the fact that Biden's inflation drove
up the prices a good so substantially. That's the reality.
Even though inflation has come back down substantially, where at
(30:10):
two point seven percent, I think target is two percent.
People are just angry and I get it because it
feels like goods costs more than they should and until
that starts to settle in, that rapid increase becomes embedded
into our minds as to what things should cost. This
is the pernicious nature of inflation. It is diabolical in
(30:33):
its impact to frustrate everyone.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Absolutely. We'll take some of your calls and talkbacks here
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Speaker 3 (32:10):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck
and we coming up here talk more about the immigration issue,
but also play did you see this guy who is
Vietnamese by background immigrant to America and he has some
things to say about what he sees as a immigrant
(32:32):
from Vietnam to this country, what he sees going on
with the Somali community in Minneapolis, which I thought was
very interesting, and I think we shall get to that
in just a few minutes, as well as taking all
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Let's hear what he has to say.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
The number one thing chilling Americans from a financial standpoint,
it's not insurance, it's taxes. We can't afford the taxes.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Uh, that's a broad statement. I mean I think, yeah,
the taxes are too high. We have too we're over
taxed in general as a country. But I think we
have to figure out, well, then what is the what
is the move? And then the challenge that I receive
Clay is people say or taxed too much. But then
you know, you start to even people who say that,
(33:37):
you start to say, well, we got to either cut
some money that we're spending or we got to figure
something out. Nobody ever wants to believe that the government
is Santa Claus. When push comes to show, not everybody,
but a lot of people want to believe the government
is Santa Claus. It can just make the goodies appear
no cost to anybody.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Over fifty percent of people pay zero dollars in federal
income tax, and many of those in the under fifty
percent that are not paying actually get paid by the government.
So when you say taxes are too high, that's an
important fact. And look, I agree basically for some of
you out there, if you live in Texas or you
(34:14):
live in Florida, I mean the way that I always
think of it is you work half the year for
the government. You don't work half the year for yourself.
For me, because I live in Tennessee, basically I work
until May thirty first to give money to the government.
I don't start actually getting money until I'm paying forty
percent in taxes. I don't actually start getting money in
my pocket until June one. Some of y'all out there
(34:37):
don't get money in your pocket until July one or
July fifteen.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
You see Jasmine Crockett video going around for saying that
she thinks that a path to or an approach to
reparations would just be that black people don't have to
pay taxes. You see this video. This is circulating as well.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I actually did the research on it, and I was curious.
Currently sixty percent of black lead household, So black American
led household don't pay any federal in come tax whatsoever?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah, I mean and Lardie sixty.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Now people can say, well, we pay payroll taxes and
people who have jobs do. And you can say, hey,
we pay sales taxes and people who buy products do.
But again, like the government is just sucking up much
of the dollars that people out there who work for
a living. Kid Brad and Omaha has a question, Brad,
(35:33):
what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (35:35):
Hey, hey, thanks for taking your call. I'll admit I'm
coming into the lines.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Then.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
I've been an independent left leaner, but much like Donald
Trump shouldn't own when gas prizes were rising underneath his
first term. I want to understand how Biden caused the
inflation in your perspective that led into the current the
current Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Term that we have.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Well, he was inflation when Biden came into office.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Was one point seven percent, I believe, and he immediately
ensued spending trillions of dollars. He got not as much
as he wanted to spend, and by June of twenty two,
I think we were at nine point one percent inflation.
So I would say quite clearly, Biden, thinking that the
economy needed to be juiced, drove inflation to record high
(36:18):
levels in much of our lives.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yes, the Biden outlay in twenty twenty one was six
point eight trillion dollars. So you inject that much money
in the economy in one year and guess what you
get inflation? More money chasing fewer goods and services, the
definition of inflation. So Clay, that's how it happened. We'll
come back in the third hour and talk about more
(36:42):
of things happened.
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We appreciate
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
There.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We are on every social media platform under the sun.
And we are joined now by Bill O'Reilly. You can
find him certainly all over the internet now at Bill
O'Reilly dot com. He's got regular articles there. He is
a best selling author who has got one bestseller after another.
(00:39):
And we were just actually talking about Whoopy. Goldberg said
Bill that Trump will just have no legacy whatsoever and
he will vanish on The Idiot Show, the view that
she enjoys appearing on, and Buck and I both feel
like Trump is definitely the most consequential figure of the
(00:59):
twenty first century. And Bill, I said, I would put
Trump right now behind only Reagan in my life as
the best presidents. Now, you're a little bit older than me,
but I was born in the last year of Jimmy
Carter's presidency. You're a history guy, though, where would you
put Trump? And how do you assess Biden? Since we
(01:20):
know Biden's ten years over. How do you think history
views this era of those guys.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, first of all, we have to take Whippy Goldberg
seriously because she was in a movie called Ghost where
she could see everything that happened, So I'm sure that's
carried over to her real life. And we know she
has a PhD in history and political science, a combination
which is extraordinary, So we can't just dismiss miss Goldberg
(01:48):
out of hand. I'm being, of course detious. I read
a book called Confronting the President's which is right behind
Confronting Evil, which is out now them up, by the way.
You get both books on Bill O'Reilly dot com for
a very fine price. Now, every time I see President Trump,
and the last time was five days ago in the
(02:11):
White House, so he's spent forty minutes with him, he's
asking me the same question that you just asked me,
So what's my legacy? Am I number one? Yet? And
you know I can't be. He's never going to be
number one. Abraham Lincoln will always be the best president
(02:31):
of the United States.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Hold up the President. You're in the Oval office. This
is a great scene. You're in the Oval Office with
the president, and the president who trust your historical acumen,
is saying, Hey, Bill, how do you rank that? This
is very very funny. So he's asking you directly, Hey,
where do I rank right now? And you told him,
I mean, I love this. You told him what exactly?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I told him that, you know he's going I should
be number one. That's the samement he makes. I said,
you'll never be number one, you know me. I mean,
I don't hander to anybody. I said, You're never going
to be number one because Lincoln was so extraordinary and hell,
the Union together when few other presidents would have been
able to do that. But you're in the top ten
(03:14):
right now, and you're the hardest working president of all time.
No president has ever approached the work ethic of Donald Trump.
And it's not even closed. There's not even a close
second to that. And I said, but a lot of
your policies are yet to be known as far as
(03:39):
their effectiveness is concerned. You got the border in your pocket, okay.
And you also have accomplishments because you followed the second
worst president in our history, Joe Biden. Only James Buchanan,
who led up to Lincoln and who was an abject
coward and allowed this out to arm itself for four
(04:02):
years in preparation of the War of Rebellion and began
and did nothing. Knew it. I was too afraid to
do anything about it. Worst president ever, Biden's number two.
Why because in four years Joe Biden did not solve
one problem in this country, not one. And all my
(04:25):
liberal friends who voted for him and Kamala Harris, when
I say to them very politely, because I don't get
angry about political differences, that's foolish. When I say, all right,
give me one thing that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
He did, Joe, I'm sorry, Bill, I got to jump
in real quick. You're leading out that President Biden solved
Hunter's legal issues, which, to be fair, he swooped in
on that.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, well, I'll debase you on that anytime you want.
But they, the people voted for him, cannot come up
with one.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah. Well, they certainly don't care that Hunter got a pardon,
or if they do, I think they don't like it.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
But you're right, if it were Donald Trump, junior President
Trump would have done the same thing. So I'm in
honest Scott, Yeah, all right, So.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I was kidding about the pardon thing. I'm not trying
to divert you from what you're saying. He clearly is
a terrible president who didn't manage to solve much of anything.
But I also want to ask you, Bill, if I
could the president, the current president who you say is excellent,
not number one. He probably was a little miffed at that,
but that's okay. He's an excellent president. He's going on
a affordability tour of sorts, going to eastern Pennsylvania, because
(05:42):
I think there's a recognition even in this White House
that despite the excellent policies, there's frustration with the economy
on affordability. Do you think Trump's making the right move
here by going Do you think that this is something
that the White House can successfully address so we don't
lose the control of a House in the mid terms.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
On the night before Thanksgiving, I was at the Islander
hockey game and the puff was about to drop and
I got a phone call from President Trump right at
the game. Now, when a president calls, so you got
to take the call. He can't go to voicemail, all right,
So I got a private office. The owner of the
team is a friend of mine and President Trump can
(06:24):
proceed to yell at me for ten minutes, all right,
which is not usual, all right, and when he gets going,
you can't interrupt. He's essence of the disenchantment with O'Reilly
was that I was reporting that the affordability situation could
(06:45):
very much hurt him because it all he has to
do is go back to twenty eighteen mid terms. He
got whacked. Trump got whacked, and Obama got whacked, and
in terms of very difficult to hold, and the press
is pounding every second affordability, affordability, affordability. Now, the stats
(07:10):
are not bad for Trump, they're not, in fact. On
the New Span News tonight, I'll lay them all out
for you. But if you have a specific stat you want,
I'll give it to you. N Out, the economy is
in pretty good shape. Stock market's good for one K people,
retirement plant people, prospering. You can get a job as
(07:31):
you want it. Wages are up, Bacon is up. If
you like bacon, you're paying them more of a bacon, okay,
But a whole number of other foods are down. So
this is a contrived thing. With one exception. Insurance costs
(07:52):
are killing working Americans, killing them health insurance, car insurance,
house insurance. After President Trump got through yelling at me,
I said, all right, it's my job to report what's happening,
mister President. Of course you're not going to like some
of it, but I'm fair. This is what you have
(08:15):
to do. You got to get out there and you've
got to tell people in twenty six here's what we're
going to do to bring down these prices, very specifically.
So I think he followed my advice, but I'm sure
he got that advice from other people as well. I'm
not taking credit for it. And he's out in Pennsylvania tonight. Bill.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
This is a little bit of a pivot.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
But the last time we had you on, we had
a caller who wanted us to ask you about Patten's
death and whether you bought into and I know you
wrote about the death of Patent in your Killing series.
What you thought about is death and whether he wrote
a book killing Patent? Yeah, whether what your take is
(09:01):
on that death and what occurred.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Okay, First of all, you get all the books, and
this is a shameless plug, but you guys are nice.
You can get all thirteen Killing books in the two
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(09:29):
you dole them out. You add up the money that
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Killing Patten, we walk through the whole career of the
best American general in World War Two, second best in
history next to John Pershing. Pershing was the best, Okay,
(09:53):
Patton was second. At the end of his life, many
very strange things to George Patten, none of them added up.
He should not have died in that hospital in Luxembourg.
So a lot of people, including me, suspect that he
(10:15):
was murdered. Who would want to murder him? Russia stalin
Soviet Union, and they had access because you remember they
were our allies in World War Two, because Patten wanted
to fight them. He did not want to stop because
he knew that the Soviet Union was going to be
(10:37):
replace Hitler in the Nazis is our main enemy.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So when you say he was killed, sorry to cut
you off, do you mean that the poisoned in the
wake of the car accident while he was recovering.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Okay, poisoned in the hospital, and the car accident itself
did not make any sense, and we trace it in
killing that it did not make any sense. So anyway
that I'm not a conspiracy guy. You guys know that
I don't deal with that. I am a reporter and
(11:13):
what I lay out is one hundred percent accurate. The
only resolution to this is to exhoom the general's body,
which is in europe a test. They did that for
Zachary Taylor. Zachary Taylor got that treatment. They won't do
it for Patten.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, And do we have a caller dad, Bill, We
had a caller who called in who said, who claimed
that his father was the driver for the car when
Patten was in that accident. You mentioned, just wanted you
to hear this. This is thirty one.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You say your dad was driving the car when Patten
was killed, when he died in the car.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Accident, yes he was. Okay, Well, what did your dad
tell you about it?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
He actually died nine days later. He was driving a
thirty eight Cadillac Limo and Patton was sitting in the
back on the edge of the seat as usual, and
they were waiting for a train to pass, and he
in a pass. He pulled away, got up to about
twenty five miles an hour, and there was a personnel
carrier about a quarter mile down the road that pulled
(12:21):
out at the same time. And when they got to
each other, the personnel carrier turned right into the Cadillac
and Patton flew forward, hit his forehead on the partition
between the front and back, scalped his you know, put
to the scalp himself, and broke his neck.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And so from your perspective, your dad told you there
is no conspiracy. There's for people out there that have
bought not believe that this was a traffic accident, and
it was a freak accident in some way based on
the speed the Patten died.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Never talked about any conspiracies about it or anything like that.
But I mean, there's three drunk ti eyes that all disappeared,
you know, they were they were in the personnel carreer
and uh, you know, Patton was starting to do a
lot better and then he died just all of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Take it away, What do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Man? I believe that his father was the driver the
three soldiers he fighted. That that is unbelievable evidence. I mean,
when you get a general, a four star dying in
this kind of circumstance, you would interview everybody, and nothing
(13:34):
was done. Nothing was done. Washington's tiered to Patten. That
would be Harry Truman the Democratic Party, because Patten was
going to run for president. He's going to come back
to the United States and run just as Eisenhower did.
And Eisenhower, of course won. And so there were a
lot of reasons that Patten had a lot of enemies,
(13:56):
but the big enemy was Stalin, and Stalin had access.
So I'm not saying that Patten was murdered because I
cannot prove it. What I am saying is that you
could find out if this general was poisoned or not,
and nobody is apparently wants to do that.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
So that's the point about he had a turn for
the worse in the hospital. I mean, that was It's
interesting that that he was. It seemed he was getting
better than all of a sudden, And so you're saying
that all of a sudden to you is very suspicious.
You'd like to get to the bottom of it, or
people to get to the bottom of it with the
testing of Patten's remains.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, if you read Killing Patten, anybody very interested in
this subject, should we really walk through it in a
non hysterical way, so we have all the eyewitness reports
in there. And you know, in my style, my style
is I'm not boring you. I am moving this story along.
(15:00):
But I'm not a guy who ordinarily buys into this stuff.
But here you had motive, you had accessibility, you had
enemies both abroad and at home, and George is a
tough guy. He was a big, strong guy, and it
(15:21):
just doesn't stack Bill.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Thank you for hanging out with us here. Good Christmas gift.
As you said, Bill, oo'reilly dot com for not only
Killer real quick.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I know you got to hit a break. President Trump
asked me to give him Confronting Evil, specifically for the
chapter on Putin, because we trace that what has happened
to Putin, he's not the same guy that Trump was
(15:52):
dealing with in the first term. And the President wrote
me a really nice note after he read Confronting Evil.
So I just want people to know that that is
out there.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
That's outstanding. Thank you for the background stories. We'll talk
to you again, probably after the first of the new year.
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to you.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Okay, guys, you too have fun. Thank you.
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we
have much to discuss with the Trump round table that
occurred yesterday. We're just talking to Bill O'Reilly about the
situation of affordability, and Bill saying that there's a lot
of perception driving that, more so even than the actual
(19:10):
cold hard numbers if you look into it, which I'm
sure that is the case. But Trump at an ECON roundtable. Look,
he's going to Pennsylvania to address affordability because it's a
political issue, whether the numbers bear that out entirely or not.
And a lot of people do feel like, well, first
of all, prices are high, they've remained high. So you
have to get into okay, is it that affordability is
(19:33):
not an issue, or is that it's not Trump's fault
that affordability is an issue or a whole range of things.
But one thing that is definitely the case that came
up is Obamacare. Play. These new Obamacare premiums, they're just
going up and up, and networks are getting smaller and smaller,
and sure enough, the whole promise of Obamacare has fallen apart.
(19:55):
And that's been the case for a long time. Trump
here this is cut twenty one, was saying, look, it's
been great for the insurance companies. It's been really bad
for people that actually need healthcare. Play twenty one.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
The insurance companies stock has gone up by seventeen eighteen
hundred percent. They're taking in trillions of dollars. I don't
want to pay the insurance companies anything, and I know
a lot of them, but they're owned by the Democrats,
and the Democrats have Obamacare is a setup to make
insurance companies rich. And I want to pay the people,
(20:27):
and I want the people to go out and buy
their own health care. And that's what we want to do,
and that's what the Republicans want to do. Because Obamacare
is a disaster.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Clay, it is a disaster and It's time Republicans dig
into this so that Democrats can't control the message in
going into the midterms.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
All of healthcare. It is a disaster.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And I don't care if you're a Democrat, Republican, or independent.
Nobody has any idea what things cost. Nobody is happy.
I would submit to you that everyone's least favorite thing
almost in the world is having to get on the
phone with an insurance company adjuster and try to explain
why you're being overcharged. To the extent that you can
(21:09):
even tell what your bill has on it. It is
all just a huge game of hide the hide the ball.
And what Trump is saying is in essence a very
real position, and honestly, I think most people out there
would probably prefer this. It's let you have the money
(21:31):
and then make your own decisions about what healthcare you need.
I don't even think most people realize, if they're not
the employer, what percentage of your overall salary goes for healthcare. Now,
this is crazy. I mean, there are lots of people
out there paying twenty five thirty thirty five thousand dollars
(21:52):
a year for your healthcare plans inside of whatever job
you get, and you don't see that money. You don't
have any idea how it's being allocated. I think huge
percentages of people out there listening to us would like
to get all of that money tax free to themselves
and then be able to make the choices about how
to best allocate those resources for them and their family.
(22:16):
And so what we basically have is a huge subsidy
for all the health insurance companies of America. That is
what Obamacare is. And the problem here, Buck is the math.
We have way more older people entering into needing substantial
amounts of health care than we do young people. And
(22:36):
by the way, this is not just for health care,
this is social security, this is everything. All of these
government policies are predicated on constantly having way more young
people than we do old people. And in the next
twenty thirty forty years, the reality is we're going to
have way more old people than we are young people.
And that's true in a lot of countries, and the
(22:57):
shell game, the hide the ball aspect of this are
going to become more and more prominent, and people are
going to get angry here because they don't feel like
they're getting a good value for their money. I mean
I hate to say, and but this is part of
what motivated the United Healthcare CEO shooting. Is people are
just misallocating anger and in many ways lashing.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Out when you see what the real structure of Obamacare is.
You have to have a lot of young, healthy people
who don't use very much in the way of healthcare
resources to spend into a system that is going to
put a huge majority of it on older, sicker people.
And that's so the whole system is a redistribution of
(23:40):
wealth via healthcare. And then beyond that, there's also people
who are getting subsidized in the programs that on these exchanges.
That's what was really an issue in this shutdown. Government
just funneling money into it to make it seem not
as bad as it really is for individuals. But you
have a lot of people who are getting massive subsidies
because if they had to pay what the market rate
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is based upon the system of redistribution, the pricing on
this would be insane. I mean, you'd be paying fifty
grand a year for health insurance. Remember, not for health care.
You're still on the hook to pay for your health care.
You know, you know, twenty percent of the one hundred
percent of the whatever percent they say is like, oh,
you know, customary and normal or however they phrase the
language so that they can play all these games the
(24:23):
insurance companies. So that's a giant mess. And then there's
also this because we've been discussing the boat strikes in
mostly in the Caribbean against the Narco terrorists. This is
Trump with ABC's Rachel Scott, a little bit of a
back and forth here. There's now a push Clay to
have the video released because clearly we have video because
(24:44):
we were they were under is are there under surveillance?
This has cut twenty Trump doesn't like this request.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Whatever heck says wants to do, is okay with you? Said,
that's under review.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Are you ordering the secretary to release that folded.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Aim and whatever he decides, okay with me. So every
boat we knock out of the water, every boat we
saved twenty five thousand American lives. That was a boat
loaded up with drugs. I saw the video. They were
trying to turn the boat back to where it could
Floato did not just tell you that. He said that
it was obnoxious reporter in the whole place. Let me
(25:20):
just tell you you learn an obnoxious, a terrible actually
a terrible reporter. And it's always the same.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Thing with you.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
I told you, whatever Pete hegg Set wants to do
is okay with me.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
There you go, Clay laying it down. They're trying to
create a fall guy here. They tried to create the
Admiral as the fall guy. They tried to create hag
Set as the fall guy. They've tried to create Trump
as the fall guy. This story, other than on the
far left wing, has vanished as soon as the video
was shown in behind closed doors in Congress. Now, I
(25:53):
know some Democrats came out and they said, oh my goodness,
I can't believe this happened. But the fact that the
story vanished kind of tell you what the video is
going to show. And I presume the video will show
what has been reported already. And the numbers came out
from the Harvard Harris poll that I believe it was
fifty eight percent of Americans support the strikes that are
(26:14):
going on with Venezuelan Narco boats, forty two percent disagree.
And I bet if you show that video then it'll
break down. About sixty percent of people will say, yeah,
I agree with that, and about forty percent will say no,
I disagree. But this is the world in which we're in,
(26:34):
where you kind of have people floundering in every direction
trying to find something to be able to pin to Trump,
and so far they really aren't able to find anything.
And I think it's going to be a challenge going
forward how exactly they convey their anger over Trump. And
(26:56):
we come back, we can play audio because Susie Wiles
Buck is telling everybody that Trump plans to be on
the road campaigning, starting in Pennsylvania right now to sell
the agenda that he has put in place, and I
grabbed a picture. I need to tweet it out again.
I think a large degree of Trump's success is just
(27:17):
being ignored because he saw things so quickly on the
border that almost no one is able to even contemplate
how quickly he saw things. And I was reading our
buddy Ryan Gardusky this morning as I was doing my prep.
The White House has said about two million people have
self deported and or been removed who are illegals. And
(27:39):
Ryan Gardusky looked at the data on newborns in the
country and he said, actually, the data does support the
idea that there are increasing numbers of people leaving the
country because they're not having kids. Non citizens, illegals are
not having kids at the rates that they were before.
(28:00):
But when you look at the graphic, it's really kind
of amazing to see. Yes, the Trump immigration policies are
working in ways that aren't even necessarily at the center
of the conversation on immigration, but are very very effective.
On the other side of things, you have Zoron Mamdani
(28:20):
in New York City telling people how to telling illegals
how to avoid law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
This is cut twenty four. Listen to this.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
One if you encounter ICE.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
These are the things that every New Yorker should know.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
First.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
ICE cannot enter into private spaces like your home, school,
or private area of your workplace without a judicial warrant
signed by a judge that looks like this. If ICE
does not have a judicial warrant signed by a judge,
you have the right to say I do not consent
to entry, and the right to keep your door closed.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
Sometimes ICE will show.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
You paperwork it looks like this and tell you that
they have the right.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
To arrest you.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
That is false.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
ICE is legally allowed to live you, but you have
the right to remain silent if you're being detained, you
may always ask am I free to go repeatedly until
I answer you. You're legally allowed to film ice as
long as you do not interfere with an arrest. New
Yorkers have a constitutional right to protest, and when I'm there,
we will protect that right.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I just say, imagine if you did this for drug dealers,
all of that would be true as well. Let me
be clear, everything that he said there is true in general,
for any criminal, for any violation of law. All of
that is true. But he's doing it for illegals because
they're at for Democrats. Illegals are a protected class of
(29:35):
person Clay. And this is what is going to continue
to be a huge problem from this is what is
going to continue to drag them down because they can't
avoid that reality without completely inflaming the left wing base
of their party.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Look, and they're on the wrong on this issue. They're
on the wrong on every issue, which is why I
think you're going to see them just try to pivot
and blame Trump for the fact that Biden's inflation drove
up the prices a good so substantially. That's the reality.
Even though inflation has come back down substantially, where at
(30:10):
two point seven percent, I think target is two percent.
People are just angry and I get it because it
feels like goods costs more than they should and until
that starts to settle in, that rapid increase becomes embedded
into our minds as to what things should cost. This
is the pernicious nature of inflation. It is diabolical in
(30:33):
its impact to frustrate everyone.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Absolutely. We'll take some of your calls and talkbacks here
coming up in a second, so make sure you send
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Speaker 3 (32:10):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck
and we coming up here talk more about the immigration issue,
but also play did you see this guy who is
Vietnamese by background immigrant to America and he has some
things to say about what he sees as a immigrant
(32:32):
from Vietnam to this country, what he sees going on
with the Somali community in Minneapolis, which I thought was
very interesting, and I think we shall get to that
in just a few minutes, as well as taking all
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(32:54):
next week is the last week of a full show
before Christmas. So this time is flying by. And that's
where we are. Mike in Minneapolis. See see on the talkbacks.
Let's hear what he has to say.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
The number one thing chilling Americans from a financial standpoint,
it's not insurance, it's taxes. We can't afford the taxes.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Uh, that's a broad statement. I mean I think, yeah,
the taxes are too high. We have too we're over
taxed in general as a country. But I think we
have to figure out, well, then what is the what
is the move? And then the challenge that I receive
Clay is people say or taxed too much. But then
you know, you start to even people who say that,
(33:37):
you start to say, well, we got to either cut
some money that we're spending or we got to figure
something out. Nobody ever wants to believe that the government
is Santa Claus. When push comes to show, not everybody,
but a lot of people want to believe the government
is Santa Claus. It can just make the goodies appear
no cost to anybody.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Over fifty percent of people pay zero dollars in federal
income tax, and many of those in the under fifty
percent that are not paying actually get paid by the government.
So when you say taxes are too high, that's an
important fact. And look, I agree basically for some of
you out there, if you live in Texas or you
(34:14):
live in Florida, I mean the way that I always
think of it is you work half the year for
the government. You don't work half the year for yourself.
For me, because I live in Tennessee, basically I work
until May thirty first to give money to the government.
I don't start actually getting money until I'm paying forty
percent in taxes. I don't actually start getting money in
my pocket until June one. Some of y'all out there
(34:37):
don't get money in your pocket until July one or
July fifteen.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
You see Jasmine Crockett video going around for saying that
she thinks that a path to or an approach to
reparations would just be that black people don't have to
pay taxes. You see this video. This is circulating as well.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I actually did the research on it, and I was curious.
Currently sixty percent of black lead household, So black American
led household don't pay any federal in come tax whatsoever?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah, I mean and Lardie sixty.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Now people can say, well, we pay payroll taxes and
people who have jobs do. And you can say, hey,
we pay sales taxes and people who buy products do.
But again, like the government is just sucking up much
of the dollars that people out there who work for
a living. Kid Brad and Omaha has a question, Brad,
(35:33):
what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (35:35):
Hey, hey, thanks for taking your call. I'll admit I'm
coming into the lines.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Then.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
I've been an independent left leaner, but much like Donald
Trump shouldn't own when gas prizes were rising underneath his
first term. I want to understand how Biden caused the
inflation in your perspective that led into the current the
current Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Term that we have.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Well, he was inflation when Biden came into office.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Was one point seven percent, I believe, and he immediately
ensued spending trillions of dollars. He got not as much
as he wanted to spend, and by June of twenty two,
I think we were at nine point one percent inflation.
So I would say quite clearly, Biden, thinking that the
economy needed to be juiced, drove inflation to record high
(36:18):
levels in much of our lives.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yes, the Biden outlay in twenty twenty one was six
point eight trillion dollars. So you inject that much money
in the economy in one year and guess what you
get inflation? More money chasing fewer goods and services, the
definition of inflation. So Clay, that's how it happened. We'll
come back in the third hour and talk about more
(36:42):
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