December 10, 2025 • 35 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers a dynamic mix of breaking news, cultural debate, and exclusive insights from high-profile interviews. The hour opens with a major economic update: the Federal Reserve cuts interest rates by a quarter point, bringing them down to 3.5–3.75%, signaling relief for borrowing costs after years of inflationary pressure under Biden. Clay and Buck analyze what this means for markets and consumer confidence heading into 2026.
The centerpiece of the hour is an in-depth conversation with Katie Miller, who recently sat down with Elon Musk for a widely discussed interview. Katie shares behind-the-scenes details about Musk’s personality, work ethic, and vision for humanity. She describes Musk as mission-driven, humble despite his wealth, and uniquely capable of managing multiple groundbreaking companies through intense focus and “context switching.” The discussion explores Musk’s regrets over his involvement with Dogecoin, his predictions about AI making work optional in the future, and the potential for SpaceX to go public at a $1.5 trillion valuation—an event that could make Musk the world’s first trillionaire. Katie also warns about AI’s risks for children and education, emphasizing the need for parental vigilance as technology accelerates.
From tech and innovation, the conversation pivots to Australia’s controversial ban on social media for users under 16, sparking a passionate debate on child safety and government regulation. Clay argues that the ban is a smart move, comparing social media’s mental health impact to cigarettes and calling it one of the most harmful public health choices of our era. Buck agrees that universal restrictions would help parents enforce boundaries and protect kids from predators, sextortion schemes, and addictive behaviors. Katie, however, voices skepticism about heavy-handed federal regulation, favoring parental responsibility over blanket laws. The hosts and callers weigh in on whether age limits for social media should mirror existing restrictions on driving, drinking, and voting, with Clay citing data and real-world examples of the dangers posed by unrestricted online access.
The hour also addresses the disturbing rise in political violence and online harassment, focusing on the vile attacks against Erica Kirk, widow of Charlie Kirk, who was assassinated three months ago. Katie praises Erica’s resilience and leadership as she steps into a CEO role while grieving, condemning the left’s attempts to smear her as a “grifter.” Clay and Buck underscore the moral bankruptcy of targeting widows and argue that protecting children—and civil discourse—should be a top priority for government and society.
Hour 3 closes with lighter moments, including listener talkbacks on gun preferences, holiday traditions, and Clay’s infamous hot take that Christmas music is overplayed. The hosts share humorous anecdotes about family gift-giving, driving habits, and even President Trump’s love for classic movies like Bloodsport and Top Gun, offering a glimpse into his personal side during White House movie nights.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
In final hour Wednesday edition of the program, we're going
to be joined by Katie Miller. Had a great sit
down interview with Elon Musk, her boss for quite a
bit of time, I believe during the early days of
Trump two point zero.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We will discuss that with her.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Also Australia, many of you weighing in on the sixteen
and under social media ban. Breaking news during that last
commercial break, the Fed has cut the interest rate by
a quarter point nine to three vote, so it was
not unanimous, but the interest rates now have dropped to
a three point five to three point seventy five level
(00:42):
that is going to continue to bring borrowing cost back
down to some form of normalcy after the Biden craziness
with inflation and there is basically stock markets pretty much
even as this was expected to occur. We will update
you on anything relating to that going forward. But yet
(01:04):
another rate cut again three point five to three point
seventy five percent. We bring in now Katie Miller. She's
set down with Elon Musk. I believe that episode dropped yesterday.
It's receiving a great deal of attention. Katie, What can
you tell us about the interview? Also news with Elon.
I don't think we've talked about this. That SpaceX, one
(01:28):
of the many companies that he is involved in, may well,
according to Bloomberg, be going public this coming year in
twenty twenty six at a one point five trillion dollar valuation,
which would mean if that occurs, that Elon Musk would
basically become the first trillionaire in the history.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Of the world.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And so I'll start with that. What is Elon like?
What would surprise people about him? What did you find
your experience spending so much time around him to be like?
What should we know?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Thanks for having me on, guys. Elon is a I
would say this if no one else knowing about him.
He is a truly great man who cares first and
foremost about fixing humanity. He is not showy about his wealth.
You would not know it if you've hung out with
him or spend time with him. How much money he
is truly worth, because he is one of the few
billionaires in which I've not come across during my time
(02:23):
the Trump administration who truly doesn't act or behave like it.
He huber eats like the rest of us, He sleeps
on couches, he stays in front houses. His house is
not grand or grandiose. He is just someone who's truly
passionate about saving humanity. And so through his time with
doche really believes in balancing the budget and that we
need to get costs under control. And when he found
(02:45):
out that dog was not the best way and time
of his myss to be doing so, he said, great,
I'm going to go do AI and robotics and create
companies that increase our country's GDP. And so when you
talk about SpaceX's valuation, which I don't know if they're
going public or not, I haven't heard any conversations like that,
but nor would I. But what I would say is
(03:06):
there's a lot of lays for Elon to become a chillionaire,
whether that be through robotics at Tesla, whether that be
through XAI and grock which I believe is the only
truth seeking AI out there on the market. You see
open AI openly pushing woke and transgender policies that they're
currently donating to. And so when you're the first company
and the only company that can really send rockets to
(03:28):
Mars and send rockets to the Moon and have Starlink right,
which is such a great internet if anyone's ever used it.
That he is truly a man who has never screened
an employee. If you go to any of his companies,
they're all mission driven. And it was an honor to
work for him. I still do work for him, and
overall I do wish him the best. It was an
honor to interview him.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Katie. It's bock to the degree you can having spent
time around him, Can you just try to lay out
for us why is it? What about him make him able?
What about Elon Musk puts him in this place where
he's able to do any one of these companies that
we're talking about here would be an incredible achievement of
(04:11):
building an incredible benchmark in the corporate world and the
jobs and the wealth and the technology and all the
things that come with that. To do so many of them,
it almost seems superhuman. So what are the Elon x
factors as you've seen them? Why is he able to
do something at this scale and at this pace that
(04:32):
just seems like it's impossible, but clearly it's not.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I would make a joke and say his brain is computer.
His brain functions in a way that yours or mind
simply couldn't. The way he processes information, the way he
can immediately recall fax figures and data from various time periods,
from various complex computer issues, simply I couldn't do. It
is a fascinating time to have a conversation with him,
(04:58):
you know, when you're sitting there and in this conversation
you understand just by how many orders of magnitude he
is smarter than everybody else he comes in contact with.
But how he does this in his day, and he
talks about this and bit in the podcast, is through
this context switching, where each day of his week is
focused on a different company or focused on the same
set of issues, so he doesn't have to change his
(05:21):
thought process multiple times over Right, So if you're doing
a SpaceX day, if you're doing a Tesla day, if
you have a day where you're focused on engineering, that
way his brain can focus on a specific set of
issues at a specific time, which is very unique to
any of us, right, who go through many things in
a day. It's having that focus and drive to do
one thing at one time, which he is very good
(05:42):
at doing.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
He told you in the interview that in retrospect, he
would probably wishes he had not done Doge because it
took so much attention and criticism onto the companies that
he runs.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
He also talked with you about AI.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I know you've got young kids, and we'll get to
a question relating to kids in social media going forward.
But knowing Elon as you do, how optimistic are you
about where AI is going? And what did you think
about his sort of analysis in retrospect that he wishes
he had not gotten involved with DOGE.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I think Doge was done at a great expense to him,
not only with the burning of the cars, but as
it relates to recruiting at companies, right, and so that
to a short period of time that him as an
engineer and a builder that if he had spent those
six months rapidly building an AI, I believe they would
(06:40):
probably reach AGI advanced global intelligence by now and have
truly an AI that could do a lot more than
what you and I are thinking it could do. Right,
that's replacing so many of the functions of human life.
It's what Elon talks about me about the podcast when
he says things like, you know work will be optional
in the future, that it won't be as many days
(07:01):
per week or hours per week. And I know you're
going to get to you know, Australia and their social
media bands, right, because in my opinion, how ridiculous is that.
I believe that parents should self belief where we are
on the internet, and I think AI has the probability
and the chance to do incredibly bad things, especially relates
to children's minds and children's brains. You think. I was
(07:23):
joking at this the other day with my husband about
how when I took math, they said, well, you have
to learn to do this without a calculator. And now
it's like I walk around with my phone the human calculator,
like all day long. I can do much more complex
issues then what you could do with a calculator. And meanwhile,
you're talking about AI, where you could just take a
photo of something and it can synthesize it. You know,
(07:44):
that's a lot less learning for our children. And also
there's a lot of abuses of it that are very scary.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Speaking to Katie Miller, she is the host of a
fantastic podcast which you should all go check out. It's
a pretty clear moment here, I think, Katie, for us
to transition into this discussion we were just having. It
involves children and protecting children. This ban on those under
sixteen in so using social media, and it's all the
(08:12):
big social media companies that everybody thinks of covered under
this that Australia just implemented. What's your take on this
and how do you view this? And as somebody who's
very close to obviously this White House and your husband
is one of the top people in this White House
and looking at policy, how do you think that this
would play out in America?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I haven't had this conversation with my husband or anyone
in the White House, as I'll preface that, but by
saying that I don't like heavy handed government regulation. I
don't like these type of one size fits all policies.
I don't agree with them. If states want to have
state preamption on things like this, then that's their right,
and that's my choice not to live in that state.
I don't believe we should be policing you know, at
(08:53):
what age can children have this? Because you could argue
that children's brains aren't about that sixteen nor date eighteen
twenty one. Right, If there's some studies out there that
say someone's brain isn't developed until twenty seven or twenty
eight years old. And if you're working under those theories,
I'm on a train. So if you hear it, I'm
so sorry everybody. But what I would say is, if
you're working under that theory of saying that we shouldn't
(09:14):
have heavy handed gmination government regulations, we should have parents
who do great for their children, who understand and who
monitor their children online because there are abuses no matter
whether you're talking about social media, whether you're talking about
homework and education, you don't want your child misusing the
Internet for a lot of scary things, including AI.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Katie Miller with us right now, Katie Miller Podcast. Just
talked with Elon Musk and had a great interview. You
guys can check it out when you This is a
little bit of a dark question, but unfortunately this is
the world we're in. We played earlier Erica Kirk, She's
been on Fox News today. Charlie has a new book
out responding to people who are ripping her, including people
(10:05):
on the left. I'm sure you saw this, but crazy
Chick called her a grifter who should be kicked to
the curb. Unfortunately, you as a mom, have had to
deal with a lot of threats to your husband, to
your family. How does it make you feel when you
see the way that Erica Kirk is being treated and
her family is being treated by many people on the
(10:26):
left in this country.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
It's incredibly sad. And I've had the conversation with Erica
numerous times of the last few weeks because I don't
want to say it's the price of doing business, but
that is in our country what politics has become. It's
incredibly divisive, and I think political violence only gets worse
before it gets better. And I think Charlie is a
very sad realization that just for speech, you can be
murdered in cold blood on a sunny, beautiful day in
(10:52):
our country. I am in awe of Erica's strengths, but
there are two different things. There is one of Erica's
a grieving widow, and then there is of a CEO.
And it said privileged to watch her step into today,
watching her on Outnumbered, watching her step into that CEO
role of standing up for her company, standing up for
her business, standing up for him, her employees, and her husband,
(11:13):
because that's what I saw today as I saw a
woman who stepped into the role of CEO, and not
just a woman who became a widow three months ago. Today.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You know, Katie, this is taking you in a far
less serious direction. But I just I have to tell
you this. When I lived in DC in the first
Trump administration there and I was doing media like I
am now, I've been doing this for a long time,
there was on a random Sunday a group of left
wing blue haired lunatics, you know, nose rings, the Future
(11:46):
is female T shirts, the whole thing under my window
and they were banging drums and cow bells and making
all this noise, and I remember I was thinking to myself.
I was like, oh, they finally found me, you know,
like I knew eventually this is going to happen. I
know about my radio show, Like they finally found me.
And then I was like, I don't know, are they
really here for me? And I went downstairs and do
(12:07):
you know who? They were there for? Your husband? I
was like, I was like, wait, I like that. I
was almost kind of disappointed. They're like, Steven Miller lives
in this building, and I wanted to be like, well,
guess what, you morons, He's on the other side of
the building. You're just waking me up. And thankfully you
don't even know who I am. But yes, that was
one of my introductions to life. Is Stephen Miller or
(12:30):
what it could be? So that was remembered.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
You know, I really enjoy the protesters. I enjoy the
people to scream at us, because at least you can
see them coming, and you know why they're yelling at you.
It's the people you don't know that is scary, and
that's what's out there. The people who send you death
threats online, on Instagram, on x you know, even to
my email or to my website, Like they're not the
ones who are going to come kill you. The ones
(12:53):
who are going to come kill you don't let you
know it first, and that's the scary part. But I
will tell you it is an honor to teach my
children about politics in this country and what it means
to be an American. When people want to come up
and make their voices heard in front of my minor children.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, it's absolutely bonkers. I mean, if you're a parent,
if you're just a normal person and you see someone
out with their kids and your thought is I'm going
to run up to the parent and yell at them
about something I disagree with them with you're wrong, And
I would say that whether you're a Democrat, Republican, independent,
(13:28):
I can't believe that that would happen. But if you
do that, you are the bad person. You're much worse
than anybody you would complain about. So I hope people
out there in this audience have never done that and
never would. Katie, We appreciate your congrats on the success
of the show. Tell Steven, we said, hot, Oh, I
wanted to ask you this. Were you surprised we'll go
out on this? Were you surprised to see that President
(13:50):
Trump widhe in on Rush Hour four? And also that
he is a huge fan of Bloodsport. It now appears
that Rush intef you watch blood Sport with him because
we love that movie too, But you're married to him.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Do you guys watch blood Sport?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So one of the lesser known facts of President Trump
is that he loves movie night. And so in the
first term, he's with movie night all the time in
the White House and Cam David And when he would
go there, there would be a movie night where he
would pick these movies to go on the screen for
all of the spouses or whomever his guests were and
their friends, and so, yes, I've seen a lot of
these movies. No, I'm not surprised he waited. He is
(14:27):
an incredible movie bus who was a great respect for
good cinema, not just woke cinema and stuff we see
on air today right with netbooks and the train thing
of the children, but truly good cinema was there.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
By the way, Was there a movie he picked and
you were like, I can't believe this was a Trump pick?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Like it was just funny.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Was there anything where you watched or you heard from
your husband and you were like, I can't believe this
is a Trump pick.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Now, they're typically all the really good movies that like
you wish you could see again. I know we've watched
Gun more times than I can count, which is very
on brand for.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
A Yes, very much. Yeah makes a good choice, Katie.
We appreciate. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
No, I can say you see a lot of that
with the upcoming show and Tenny Center Honors, right, you
see a lot of his praise towards Celestial Saloone and
Michael Crawford and you know, good cinema. The President does
a really nice job hosting that event, and I hope people.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Ton it he outstanding. Yes, that will be airing soon.
We appreciate you. Thanks for making the time. Go check
out Katie Miller and everything she did just now with
Elon Musk among other guests that she has had that
are all pretty fantastic.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Thank you Katie.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Thanks guys.
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Speaker 1 (16:26):
All right, welcome back in Clay and Buck here. Okay,
we got some talk back. Let's hit them quickly. N
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(16:49):
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In the very nice The Navy two two six is
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So yeah, do you know why I said go Navy
at the end, I was assuming because there's a special
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did not know that, So I'm guessing.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I mean This may be the example of my lack
of sophisticated gun knowledge, but I think he said go
Navy because the Army Navy game is this weekend.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
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Speaker 5 (17:33):
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We have not tamed it, we have not contained it.
And just like the wild West, we had to have laws.
We had to send people out to tame the wild West,
and this is what has to be done on the Internet.
I'm sorry, but these kids shouldn't be out there.
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Speaker 2 (18:55):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We thank
all of you for hanging out with us. So many
people out there reacting thanks to Katie Miller who's just
on with us talking about everything surrounding the Elon Musk
interview and more. And there are tons of tons of
(19:16):
you weighing in on a variety of different topics. Producer Greg,
if you could let me know on the caller front
what the latest is there, because we have got so
many different, so many different talkbacks here. Let me start
with r are I don't think we've hit this one.
Enrique in Saint Louis. What you got for us?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Are are in this country?
Speaker 6 (19:38):
You can be fifteen years old and meet a twenty
year old and they have sex and adults going to jail.
But you could be fourteen kill somebody and now you're
an adult, you're gonna stand to as an adult that
you're gonna go to jail for life. I mean, it's
it's just incongruent. I mean, when is an adult an
adult and when is a kid a kid?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I mean even in a lot of.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
The I don't know exactly the com I think he
said fifty year old's twenty year olds. I mean as
long as it. Again, there are age of consent laws
that are different in every state, and there is no
national age of consent law. Every state decides. Most of
them actually say age of consent is sixteen years old,
(20:22):
some of them say seventeen, some of them say eighteen.
So different laws apply different places.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
But I grew up in New York where it was seventeen,
and people would always even like my friends, would just
say like why not sixteen or eighteen? You know, it
felt kind of arbitrary. I don't understand how that became
the standard. But there are some seventeen states mostly at sixteen,
and then there are some eighteen states like Florida, and
Florida is one for example.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, and I think again, the one reason that that's
pegged with age of consent is actually marriage, because it
was not uncommon back in the day for sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen year old people to get married, and so the
age of consent oftentimes meant the age that you can
consent to marriage.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And obviously today uh it is applied most often for
age of consent having to do with uh, with sexual relations. Yes, dry,
The caller called back to let us know by the
way that he was talking about army navy. Uh go
Navy beat army is the uh so you you were
right on the football thing, which is I got the
football thing. I didn't know enough about the guns.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, Sacramento Radio SSU is fired up, says Rush Limbaugh
is turning over in his grave over this take.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Let's listen, playing bug for more government regulation.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Oh my goodness, Rush Limbaugh is turning in his grave.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, I mean there's there's first of all, this is
a new thing, and second of all, there's plenty of
existing regulation about age when it comes to a whole
range of things. We talked about voting, for example, So
it's a government regulation that you can't vote until you're eighteen.
So should we just get rid of it and you
can vote when you're twelve? I mean. Not all government
(22:09):
regulation is like over regulation and it's bad. There are
some regulations that make sense and need to be in place,
and the protection of children, which is what we are
talking about, certainly seems to be a place where we
understand you have to draw lines. Would you say if
a nine year old decided that he or she wanted
to drive to downtown, would you say, oh, I can't
(22:31):
believe the government's regulating what age kid can drive. I
think most people would say no, there should be an
age limit now. Sometimes kids are ready to drive at sixteen,
other times they're not. Eighty seven percent of you on
Twitter agree with us that an age limit for social
media of sixteen actually makes sense. Government restricts when you
(22:51):
can smoke cigarettes, government restricts when you can drink beer.
Bet way, the car thing isn't really that's just an
insurance issue. The rental in the rental car issue, that's
just because the truth is young guys are far more
likely to get into car accidents and stuff. You get
a little bit older, you realize it's not worth going
play Travis Speed, for example, to get their thirty seconds
(23:15):
faster when you could be safe on the road no
problems going buck style right at the speed limit. Nice,
Miss Daisy, all right, Miss Daisy.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Marlene in Sacramento wants away in Marlene fire away.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Hi.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
I work in the emergency room of a big hospital
here in Sacramento. I'm a clinical social worker. The number
one reason I see children in the emergency room for
psychiatric problems is their suicidal And the reason they are
is because the parent has taken the phone away as
a consequence of a you know, of some issue. But
they're addicted to the phones. They live and die by
(23:53):
the phones. You take that thing away, they can't function sometimes.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So this is this is wild you're saying.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You're saying the number one reason you see people in
your job for suicidal ideation is that the phone has
been taken away.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Oh no, Martine got there.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But I mean, if I didn't hear her wrong, she
said that at a hospital, in an emergency room, the number
one thing she sees as kids behaving in a suicidal
fashion as their phone's being taken away. If that's true,
and I don't have any reason to discount her story,
I mean, isn't that a sign of how addicted kids
are to the question. I wanted to ask her the
(24:34):
question I want to ask her, and so if she comes,
calls back, or she just wants to answer this for
producer Greg on the phones, is are the kids saying
there suicidal as like a they're I mean, it's very extreme,
you don't do this, but you know they're essentially like
an extreme pouting. Or do they really seem psychiatrically at
risk of suicidal ideation because.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Their phone is no longer in their hands? I mean
is that those are different? Right? I mean you know
people say like the little kid will say to his parents,
if you don't do this, I'm gonna hold my breath. Yeah,
technically you could hold your breath then you could die,
but I mean, no one's gonna do that, right. The
kid always ends up breathing. Are these kids in there
because they're saying, if you don't give me back my phone,
(25:16):
you know they're threatening self harm as a way of
getting the phone back, or they actually so psychiatrically compromed.
Do you see what I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's like, yeah, no, I think also when I hear
this threat, it immediately makes me think of what they've
tried to do with trans issues. They say, would you
rather have a dead daughter or a living son, right
to try to emotionally blackmail parents into allowing their minor
children to have sex reassignment surgeries, and all these different
(25:45):
things that are frankly should not be attributable to minors.
I'll give you another example, Buck. I bet our caller
who was saying, hey, Russia's rolling over his grave, I
think he was also in Sacramento. I bet he wouldn't
think that kids under the age of eighteen should be
able to have genital mutilation surgery. That's a government action
(26:07):
saying we're trying to protect minors. I would argue one
of the most important roles of government in all of
society is protecting children from poor choices and or predators
that would otherwise take advantage of them. I might argue
with you that is the single most important thing that
government does for children.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You know, it's interesting. I just I check this. I
want to make sure the minimum age to join the
military is actually seventeen, but you need parental consent, But
you can join the military at seventeen. I think a
lot of people just assume it's eighteen. You can sign
present eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I wonder if that's a function of graduation because some
kids graduate from high school at seventeen.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You could join the Marine Corps at seventeen. You can
do that is that is a real thing, but your
parents have to sign off on it. So that's where
that parental guardian consent part comes in. But I just
I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I know that, But I mean, don't you agree with
me that maybe the most important thing government can do
is protect kids? Like I don't understand the argument of
we shouldn't have government regulations for kids. I think kids
one hundred billion percent. If we're going to have government
regulations for anybody, it should be for children to make
sure that they're protected. I mean, do you think that
(27:23):
having fences around pools, for instance, is probably a good idea?
I do buy and large. When we start off in
law school, Buck, one of the things you learn about
legally liability is attractive nuisance. You know, things that draw kids,
attractions that can lead to death or disfigurement on your property,
and your responsibility to try and protect that from kids.
(27:44):
I mean, one of the foundational elements of governmental responsibility
since the United States has existed as a country is
laws that are designed to protect, protect minors. So I
just it's a really bad argument to me to call
in and say we shouldn't be doing things that we
think protect minors. Now, if you want to argue that
sixteen year olds or whatever age it is, should have
(28:06):
unfettered access to the Internet, I mean you can make
that argument that they're going to have to learn it
at some point in time, that you need to not
have a security blanket. That's a different argument.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I think, yeah, Well there's different There's there should be
no age restriction on Internet stuff at all, because like regulations,
I think that's too simplistic and kind of an honestly
absurd and approach. Then there's the well, you know, eighteen
for access to meaning you view it right, eighteen as
you said in Tennessee, to be able to view adult
(28:36):
pornographic material. Sixteen to be on social media. Okay, Well,
if maybe some people could say no, no, no, I
think by fourteen or fifteen you could be able to
be on Facebook. Maybe there's some restrictions that Facebook has
to put in place. That's a discussion, fine, but I
think it's clear there has to mean you should not
have ten year olds just roaming social media sites and
(28:58):
seeing what happens. It's not a good idea, you know
what's actually scary. And this is a part of this too.
There are a lot of minor accounts run by parents
that are subscribed to overwhelmingly by men. Dance dance pageant
moms like all this stuff. There's a big article about it,
(29:20):
I think in the New York Times, to their credit,
there is so much toxicity out there. A lot of
parents aren't doing the job. I just I think bad
demonic people out there. Yeah, dudes. And it's one thing.
You know, if the demon wants to come into my house,
I know how to handle that. But if the demon
(29:42):
is trying to get to your kids via the Internet,
and maybe he is overseas somewhere or whatever, you know,
this is where the government protected it. The same way
you can't protect yourself of North Korea invades. You actually
need government to, you know, to have a military response
to this. I think the government's protecting kids from these
(30:04):
online predators, especially because it's a global problem, makes a
whole lot of sense to me.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, and look, the reason why I love this response
in particular is because most kids respond by saying every
other kid is doing it, and if you have a
universal law, then parents can say, well, that's not legal.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
You know, it's a little bit like curfew. Right.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
If every other kid doesn't have a curfew, it gets
harder and harder to enforce it for your own self.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And look, we have restricted it. This is one of
the things we got right. We didn't give our kids
phones until they were fourteen. My kids have told us
that for years they were the only kid in school
that didn't have a phone, the only kid on the
soccer team, football team, baseball team.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Is right, I'm going to follow in your footsteps on
this one. By the way, I've thought ever since you
said that that you and Laura got this one totally
totally right, and that this is you need to have oversight,
certainly on the phones until fourteen or fifteen.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I think it's the right call, and I think increasingly
social media. This is my theory. I think it's going
to be seen as the cigarettes of our era. Everybody
likes to think that they will never have super unhealthy
choices that they were making in their life. You look
back at people and you say, oh, my goodness, how
in the world did they smoke cigarettes on the airplane?
How in the world did they do all these things
(31:23):
that we later find out, Why were they lancing people
who were sick and taking their blood and thinking that
that was going to make I think that we are
going to look at social media and the fact that
it was on our phones and our pockets and people
were on it all the time as one of the
most deletarious to public health choices that people voluntarily made
(31:44):
in any of our lives. And I think the longer
we can keep kids from using it regularly, the better
off they're likely to be.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
You know what else is deleterious to public health? Clay
excessive speeding, mister Redfoot. All right, I'm just saying over
all the time. By the way, I got a speeding
ticket the other day. I'd gone like five years without
a speeding ticket. I got pulled over in Florida. You
know what I tried to do, buck, I tried to
shake the hand of the officer. I was like, sorry,
(32:11):
you know it, stuck my hand out the window. He's like, sir,
I can't touch you. I didn't know that was a rule.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
But so anyway, I got a speeding ticket in the
middle of nowhere, Florida, coming back from the Florida State
Miami game.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Must not have been a Valls fan? What can I
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to say tumultuous, going back to the Mom Donnie issue.
Let's see what he has to say.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
BB.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Christmas music comes around like for like twenty five days
out of three hundred and sixty four days.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Want a dumb take too much Christmas?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Get shut up?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
New York City not doing well? Yeah, lucky, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I don't know that his math was great there, But
but he's from New York, you know, and people aren't
great at math there. Stephen from you got a Stephen
from the Twin City.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
CEC, you're a mean one, Lay Trevis, you really are?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
He? I think you got you one voice. I'm not
gonna think I might be classically trained, you know. I
think he's got some some pipes.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
More than one. Oh wait, CC one, he doubled up.
Let's try CEC one. Is that the one we got?
I don't know audio was Grint's light there to close
up the final segment. I don't know what happened on
the Christmas music or anything else.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
So play is going to be out tomorrow. Hopefully he's
gonna show up with shoes because he did his radio
show today. He left his shoes at home. How did
you do that? I drove.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I like to drive in flip flops or barefoot, and
I had my shoes by the door. And then when
I we out here in Birmingham for the event tonight,
I realized I only have flip flops. So I've got
to go to a shoe store now to go find
shoes somewhere so I can wear them, so I don't
show up shoeless for the speech tonight.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
So Nick from Raleigh, see what I mean, buddy, Welcome
to Buck Island, where we don't drive without shoes on.
What is this? What are you? The barbarians? Shoeless driving madness?
At least I'm not going twenty miles an hour.
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
In final hour Wednesday edition of the program, we're going
to be joined by Katie Miller. Had a great sit
down interview with Elon Musk, her boss for quite a
bit of time, I believe during the early days of
Trump two point zero.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We will discuss that with her.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Also Australia, many of you weighing in on the sixteen
and under social media ban. Breaking news during that last
commercial break, the Fed has cut the interest rate by
a quarter point nine to three vote, so it was
not unanimous, but the interest rates now have dropped to
a three point five to three point seventy five level
(00:42):
that is going to continue to bring borrowing cost back
down to some form of normalcy after the Biden craziness
with inflation and there is basically stock markets pretty much
even as this was expected to occur. We will update
you on anything relating to that going forward. But yet
(01:04):
another rate cut again three point five to three point
seventy five percent. We bring in now Katie Miller. She's
set down with Elon Musk. I believe that episode dropped yesterday.
It's receiving a great deal of attention. Katie, What can
you tell us about the interview? Also news with Elon.
I don't think we've talked about this. That SpaceX, one
(01:28):
of the many companies that he is involved in, may well,
according to Bloomberg, be going public this coming year in
twenty twenty six at a one point five trillion dollar valuation,
which would mean if that occurs, that Elon Musk would
basically become the first trillionaire in the history.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Of the world.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And so I'll start with that. What is Elon like?
What would surprise people about him? What did you find
your experience spending so much time around him to be like?
What should we know?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Thanks for having me on, guys. Elon is a I
would say this if no one else knowing about him.
He is a truly great man who cares first and
foremost about fixing humanity. He is not showy about his wealth.
You would not know it if you've hung out with
him or spend time with him. How much money he
is truly worth, because he is one of the few
billionaires in which I've not come across during my time
(02:23):
the Trump administration who truly doesn't act or behave like it.
He huber eats like the rest of us, He sleeps
on couches, he stays in front houses. His house is
not grand or grandiose. He is just someone who's truly
passionate about saving humanity. And so through his time with
doche really believes in balancing the budget and that we
need to get costs under control. And when he found
(02:45):
out that dog was not the best way and time
of his myss to be doing so, he said, great,
I'm going to go do AI and robotics and create
companies that increase our country's GDP. And so when you
talk about SpaceX's valuation, which I don't know if they're
going public or not, I haven't heard any conversations like that,
but nor would I. But what I would say is
(03:06):
there's a lot of lays for Elon to become a chillionaire,
whether that be through robotics at Tesla, whether that be
through XAI and grock which I believe is the only
truth seeking AI out there on the market. You see
open AI openly pushing woke and transgender policies that they're
currently donating to. And so when you're the first company
and the only company that can really send rockets to
(03:28):
Mars and send rockets to the Moon and have Starlink right,
which is such a great internet if anyone's ever used it.
That he is truly a man who has never screened
an employee. If you go to any of his companies,
they're all mission driven. And it was an honor to
work for him. I still do work for him, and
overall I do wish him the best. It was an
honor to interview him.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Katie. It's bock to the degree you can having spent
time around him, Can you just try to lay out
for us why is it? What about him make him able?
What about Elon Musk puts him in this place where
he's able to do any one of these companies that
we're talking about here would be an incredible achievement of
(04:11):
building an incredible benchmark in the corporate world and the
jobs and the wealth and the technology and all the
things that come with that. To do so many of them,
it almost seems superhuman. So what are the Elon x
factors as you've seen them? Why is he able to
do something at this scale and at this pace that
(04:32):
just seems like it's impossible, but clearly it's not.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I would make a joke and say his brain is computer.
His brain functions in a way that yours or mind
simply couldn't. The way he processes information, the way he
can immediately recall fax figures and data from various time periods,
from various complex computer issues, simply I couldn't do. It
is a fascinating time to have a conversation with him,
(04:58):
you know, when you're sitting there and in this conversation
you understand just by how many orders of magnitude he
is smarter than everybody else he comes in contact with.
But how he does this in his day, and he
talks about this and bit in the podcast, is through
this context switching, where each day of his week is
focused on a different company or focused on the same
set of issues, so he doesn't have to change his
(05:21):
thought process multiple times over Right, So if you're doing
a SpaceX day, if you're doing a Tesla day, if
you have a day where you're focused on engineering, that
way his brain can focus on a specific set of
issues at a specific time, which is very unique to
any of us, right, who go through many things in
a day. It's having that focus and drive to do
one thing at one time, which he is very good
(05:42):
at doing.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
He told you in the interview that in retrospect, he
would probably wishes he had not done Doge because it
took so much attention and criticism onto the companies that
he runs.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
He also talked with you about AI.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I know you've got young kids, and we'll get to
a question relating to kids in social media going forward.
But knowing Elon as you do, how optimistic are you
about where AI is going? And what did you think
about his sort of analysis in retrospect that he wishes
he had not gotten involved with DOGE.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I think Doge was done at a great expense to him,
not only with the burning of the cars, but as
it relates to recruiting at companies, right, and so that
to a short period of time that him as an
engineer and a builder that if he had spent those
six months rapidly building an AI, I believe they would
(06:40):
probably reach AGI advanced global intelligence by now and have
truly an AI that could do a lot more than
what you and I are thinking it could do. Right,
that's replacing so many of the functions of human life.
It's what Elon talks about me about the podcast when
he says things like, you know work will be optional
in the future, that it won't be as many days
(07:01):
per week or hours per week. And I know you're
going to get to you know, Australia and their social
media bands, right, because in my opinion, how ridiculous is that.
I believe that parents should self belief where we are
on the internet, and I think AI has the probability
and the chance to do incredibly bad things, especially relates
to children's minds and children's brains. You think. I was
(07:23):
joking at this the other day with my husband about
how when I took math, they said, well, you have
to learn to do this without a calculator. And now
it's like I walk around with my phone the human calculator,
like all day long. I can do much more complex
issues then what you could do with a calculator. And meanwhile,
you're talking about AI, where you could just take a
photo of something and it can synthesize it. You know,
(07:44):
that's a lot less learning for our children. And also
there's a lot of abuses of it that are very scary.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Speaking to Katie Miller, she is the host of a
fantastic podcast which you should all go check out. It's
a pretty clear moment here, I think, Katie, for us
to transition into this discussion we were just having. It
involves children and protecting children. This ban on those under
sixteen in so using social media, and it's all the
(08:12):
big social media companies that everybody thinks of covered under
this that Australia just implemented. What's your take on this
and how do you view this? And as somebody who's
very close to obviously this White House and your husband
is one of the top people in this White House
and looking at policy, how do you think that this
would play out in America?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I haven't had this conversation with my husband or anyone
in the White House, as I'll preface that, but by
saying that I don't like heavy handed government regulation. I
don't like these type of one size fits all policies.
I don't agree with them. If states want to have
state preamption on things like this, then that's their right,
and that's my choice not to live in that state.
I don't believe we should be policing you know, at
(08:53):
what age can children have this? Because you could argue
that children's brains aren't about that sixteen nor date eighteen
twenty one. Right, If there's some studies out there that
say someone's brain isn't developed until twenty seven or twenty
eight years old. And if you're working under those theories,
I'm on a train. So if you hear it, I'm
so sorry everybody. But what I would say is, if
you're working under that theory of saying that we shouldn't
(09:14):
have heavy handed gmination government regulations, we should have parents
who do great for their children, who understand and who
monitor their children online because there are abuses no matter
whether you're talking about social media, whether you're talking about
homework and education, you don't want your child misusing the
Internet for a lot of scary things, including AI.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Katie Miller with us right now, Katie Miller Podcast. Just
talked with Elon Musk and had a great interview. You
guys can check it out when you This is a
little bit of a dark question, but unfortunately this is
the world we're in. We played earlier Erica Kirk, She's
been on Fox News today. Charlie has a new book
out responding to people who are ripping her, including people
(10:05):
on the left. I'm sure you saw this, but crazy
Chick called her a grifter who should be kicked to
the curb. Unfortunately, you as a mom, have had to
deal with a lot of threats to your husband, to
your family. How does it make you feel when you
see the way that Erica Kirk is being treated and
her family is being treated by many people on the
(10:26):
left in this country.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
It's incredibly sad. And I've had the conversation with Erica
numerous times of the last few weeks because I don't
want to say it's the price of doing business, but
that is in our country what politics has become. It's
incredibly divisive, and I think political violence only gets worse
before it gets better. And I think Charlie is a
very sad realization that just for speech, you can be
murdered in cold blood on a sunny, beautiful day in
(10:52):
our country. I am in awe of Erica's strengths, but
there are two different things. There is one of Erica's
a grieving widow, and then there is of a CEO.
And it said privileged to watch her step into today,
watching her on Outnumbered, watching her step into that CEO
role of standing up for her company, standing up for
her business, standing up for him, her employees, and her husband,
(11:13):
because that's what I saw today as I saw a
woman who stepped into the role of CEO, and not
just a woman who became a widow three months ago. Today.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You know, Katie, this is taking you in a far
less serious direction. But I just I have to tell
you this. When I lived in DC in the first
Trump administration there and I was doing media like I
am now, I've been doing this for a long time,
there was on a random Sunday a group of left
wing blue haired lunatics, you know, nose rings, the Future
(11:46):
is female T shirts, the whole thing under my window
and they were banging drums and cow bells and making
all this noise, and I remember I was thinking to myself.
I was like, oh, they finally found me, you know,
like I knew eventually this is going to happen. I
know about my radio show, Like they finally found me.
And then I was like, I don't know, are they
really here for me? And I went downstairs and do
(12:07):
you know who? They were there for? Your husband? I
was like, I was like, wait, I like that. I
was almost kind of disappointed. They're like, Steven Miller lives
in this building, and I wanted to be like, well,
guess what, you morons, He's on the other side of
the building. You're just waking me up. And thankfully you
don't even know who I am. But yes, that was
one of my introductions to life. Is Stephen Miller or
(12:30):
what it could be? So that was remembered.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
You know, I really enjoy the protesters. I enjoy the
people to scream at us, because at least you can
see them coming, and you know why they're yelling at you.
It's the people you don't know that is scary, and
that's what's out there. The people who send you death
threats online, on Instagram, on x you know, even to
my email or to my website, Like they're not the
ones who are going to come kill you. The ones
(12:53):
who are going to come kill you don't let you
know it first, and that's the scary part. But I
will tell you it is an honor to teach my
children about politics in this country and what it means
to be an American. When people want to come up
and make their voices heard in front of my minor children.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, it's absolutely bonkers. I mean, if you're a parent,
if you're just a normal person and you see someone
out with their kids and your thought is I'm going
to run up to the parent and yell at them
about something I disagree with them with you're wrong, And
I would say that whether you're a Democrat, Republican, independent,
(13:28):
I can't believe that that would happen. But if you
do that, you are the bad person. You're much worse
than anybody you would complain about. So I hope people
out there in this audience have never done that and
never would. Katie, We appreciate your congrats on the success
of the show. Tell Steven, we said, hot, Oh, I
wanted to ask you this. Were you surprised we'll go
out on this? Were you surprised to see that President
(13:50):
Trump widhe in on Rush Hour four? And also that
he is a huge fan of Bloodsport. It now appears
that Rush intef you watch blood Sport with him because
we love that movie too, But you're married to him.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Do you guys watch blood Sport?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So one of the lesser known facts of President Trump
is that he loves movie night. And so in the
first term, he's with movie night all the time in
the White House and Cam David And when he would
go there, there would be a movie night where he
would pick these movies to go on the screen for
all of the spouses or whomever his guests were and
their friends, and so, yes, I've seen a lot of
these movies. No, I'm not surprised he waited. He is
(14:27):
an incredible movie bus who was a great respect for
good cinema, not just woke cinema and stuff we see
on air today right with netbooks and the train thing
of the children, but truly good cinema was there.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
By the way, Was there a movie he picked and
you were like, I can't believe this was a Trump pick?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Like it was just funny.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Was there anything where you watched or you heard from
your husband and you were like, I can't believe this
is a Trump pick.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Now, they're typically all the really good movies that like
you wish you could see again. I know we've watched
Gun more times than I can count, which is very
on brand for.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
A Yes, very much. Yeah makes a good choice, Katie.
We appreciate. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
No, I can say you see a lot of that
with the upcoming show and Tenny Center Honors, right, you
see a lot of his praise towards Celestial Saloone and
Michael Crawford and you know, good cinema. The President does
a really nice job hosting that event, and I hope people.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Ton it he outstanding. Yes, that will be airing soon.
We appreciate you. Thanks for making the time. Go check
out Katie Miller and everything she did just now with
Elon Musk among other guests that she has had that
are all pretty fantastic.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Thank you Katie.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Thanks guys.
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Speaker 1 (16:26):
All right, welcome back in Clay and Buck here. Okay,
we got some talk back. Let's hit them quickly. N
n Dan from North Carolina. Hit it. I like my
thirty eight special snubnosed and carry that in my pocket.
Never fails me. My favorite piece. We got a wheel
gun guy. You know you could be like a detective
on a seventies cop show. You know, wheel gun. Interesting,
(16:49):
that's one way to go. Robert from Tucson, Oh oh,
play it.
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two two six? Go Navy.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
In the very nice The Navy two two six is
a very nice gun. My brother has that gun. Actually,
So yeah, do you know why I said go Navy
at the end, I was assuming because there's a special
Navy edition of the two two six. Is there some
other thing army Navy this weekend? Is my guess. I
did not know that, So I'm guessing.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I mean This may be the example of my lack
of sophisticated gun knowledge, but I think he said go
Navy because the Army Navy game is this weekend.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Monica from Lincoln, Nebraska. QQ hit it.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
The Internet, I always say, is the wild wild West.
We have not tamed it, we have not contained it.
And just like the wild West, we had to have laws.
We had to send people out to tame the wild West,
and this is what has to be done on the Internet.
I'm sorry, but these kids shouldn't be out there.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
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Speaker 2 (18:55):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We thank
all of you for hanging out with us. So many
people out there reacting thanks to Katie Miller who's just
on with us talking about everything surrounding the Elon Musk
interview and more. And there are tons of tons of
(19:16):
you weighing in on a variety of different topics. Producer Greg,
if you could let me know on the caller front
what the latest is there, because we have got so
many different, so many different talkbacks here. Let me start
with r are I don't think we've hit this one.
Enrique in Saint Louis. What you got for us?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Are are in this country?
Speaker 6 (19:38):
You can be fifteen years old and meet a twenty
year old and they have sex and adults going to jail.
But you could be fourteen kill somebody and now you're
an adult, you're gonna stand to as an adult that
you're gonna go to jail for life. I mean, it's
it's just incongruent. I mean, when is an adult an
adult and when is a kid a kid?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I mean even in a lot of.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
The I don't know exactly the com I think he
said fifty year old's twenty year olds. I mean as
long as it. Again, there are age of consent laws
that are different in every state, and there is no
national age of consent law. Every state decides. Most of
them actually say age of consent is sixteen years old,
(20:22):
some of them say seventeen, some of them say eighteen.
So different laws apply different places.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
But I grew up in New York where it was seventeen,
and people would always even like my friends, would just
say like why not sixteen or eighteen? You know, it
felt kind of arbitrary. I don't understand how that became
the standard. But there are some seventeen states mostly at sixteen,
and then there are some eighteen states like Florida, and
Florida is one for example.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, and I think again, the one reason that that's
pegged with age of consent is actually marriage, because it
was not uncommon back in the day for sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen year old people to get married, and so the
age of consent oftentimes meant the age that you can
consent to marriage.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And obviously today uh it is applied most often for
age of consent having to do with uh, with sexual relations. Yes, dry,
The caller called back to let us know by the
way that he was talking about army navy. Uh go
Navy beat army is the uh so you you were
right on the football thing, which is I got the
football thing. I didn't know enough about the guns.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, Sacramento Radio SSU is fired up, says Rush Limbaugh
is turning over in his grave over this take.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Let's listen, playing bug for more government regulation.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Oh my goodness, Rush Limbaugh is turning in his grave.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, I mean there's there's first of all, this is
a new thing, and second of all, there's plenty of
existing regulation about age when it comes to a whole
range of things. We talked about voting, for example, So
it's a government regulation that you can't vote until you're eighteen.
So should we just get rid of it and you
can vote when you're twelve? I mean. Not all government
(22:09):
regulation is like over regulation and it's bad. There are
some regulations that make sense and need to be in place,
and the protection of children, which is what we are
talking about, certainly seems to be a place where we
understand you have to draw lines. Would you say if
a nine year old decided that he or she wanted
to drive to downtown, would you say, oh, I can't
(22:31):
believe the government's regulating what age kid can drive. I
think most people would say no, there should be an
age limit now. Sometimes kids are ready to drive at sixteen,
other times they're not. Eighty seven percent of you on
Twitter agree with us that an age limit for social
media of sixteen actually makes sense. Government restricts when you
(22:51):
can smoke cigarettes, government restricts when you can drink beer.
Bet way, the car thing isn't really that's just an
insurance issue. The rental in the rental car issue, that's
just because the truth is young guys are far more
likely to get into car accidents and stuff. You get
a little bit older, you realize it's not worth going
play Travis Speed, for example, to get their thirty seconds
(23:15):
faster when you could be safe on the road no
problems going buck style right at the speed limit. Nice,
Miss Daisy, all right, Miss Daisy.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Marlene in Sacramento wants away in Marlene fire away.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Hi.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
I work in the emergency room of a big hospital
here in Sacramento. I'm a clinical social worker. The number
one reason I see children in the emergency room for
psychiatric problems is their suicidal And the reason they are
is because the parent has taken the phone away as
a consequence of a you know, of some issue. But
they're addicted to the phones. They live and die by
(23:53):
the phones. You take that thing away, they can't function sometimes.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So this is this is wild you're saying.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You're saying the number one reason you see people in
your job for suicidal ideation is that the phone has
been taken away.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Oh no, Martine got there.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But I mean, if I didn't hear her wrong, she
said that at a hospital, in an emergency room, the number
one thing she sees as kids behaving in a suicidal
fashion as their phone's being taken away. If that's true,
and I don't have any reason to discount her story,
I mean, isn't that a sign of how addicted kids
are to the question. I wanted to ask her the
(24:34):
question I want to ask her, and so if she comes,
calls back, or she just wants to answer this for
producer Greg on the phones, is are the kids saying
there suicidal as like a they're I mean, it's very extreme,
you don't do this, but you know they're essentially like
an extreme pouting. Or do they really seem psychiatrically at
risk of suicidal ideation because.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Their phone is no longer in their hands? I mean
is that those are different? Right? I mean you know
people say like the little kid will say to his parents,
if you don't do this, I'm gonna hold my breath. Yeah,
technically you could hold your breath then you could die,
but I mean, no one's gonna do that, right. The
kid always ends up breathing. Are these kids in there
because they're saying, if you don't give me back my phone,
(25:16):
you know they're threatening self harm as a way of
getting the phone back, or they actually so psychiatrically compromed.
Do you see what I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's like, yeah, no, I think also when I hear
this threat, it immediately makes me think of what they've
tried to do with trans issues. They say, would you
rather have a dead daughter or a living son, right
to try to emotionally blackmail parents into allowing their minor
children to have sex reassignment surgeries, and all these different
(25:45):
things that are frankly should not be attributable to minors.
I'll give you another example, Buck. I bet our caller
who was saying, hey, Russia's rolling over his grave, I
think he was also in Sacramento. I bet he wouldn't
think that kids under the age of eighteen should be
able to have genital mutilation surgery. That's a government action
(26:07):
saying we're trying to protect minors. I would argue one
of the most important roles of government in all of
society is protecting children from poor choices and or predators
that would otherwise take advantage of them. I might argue
with you that is the single most important thing that
government does for children.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You know, it's interesting. I just I check this. I
want to make sure the minimum age to join the
military is actually seventeen, but you need parental consent, But
you can join the military at seventeen. I think a
lot of people just assume it's eighteen. You can sign
present eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I wonder if that's a function of graduation because some
kids graduate from high school at seventeen.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You could join the Marine Corps at seventeen. You can
do that is that is a real thing, but your
parents have to sign off on it. So that's where
that parental guardian consent part comes in. But I just
I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I know that, But I mean, don't you agree with
me that maybe the most important thing government can do
is protect kids? Like I don't understand the argument of
we shouldn't have government regulations for kids. I think kids
one hundred billion percent. If we're going to have government
regulations for anybody, it should be for children to make
sure that they're protected. I mean, do you think that
(27:23):
having fences around pools, for instance, is probably a good idea?
I do buy and large. When we start off in
law school, Buck, one of the things you learn about
legally liability is attractive nuisance. You know, things that draw kids,
attractions that can lead to death or disfigurement on your property,
and your responsibility to try and protect that from kids.
(27:44):
I mean, one of the foundational elements of governmental responsibility
since the United States has existed as a country is
laws that are designed to protect, protect minors. So I
just it's a really bad argument to me to call
in and say we shouldn't be doing things that we
think protect minors. Now, if you want to argue that
sixteen year olds or whatever age it is, should have
(28:06):
unfettered access to the Internet, I mean you can make
that argument that they're going to have to learn it
at some point in time, that you need to not
have a security blanket. That's a different argument.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I think, yeah, Well there's different There's there should be
no age restriction on Internet stuff at all, because like regulations,
I think that's too simplistic and kind of an honestly
absurd and approach. Then there's the well, you know, eighteen
for access to meaning you view it right, eighteen as
you said in Tennessee, to be able to view adult
(28:36):
pornographic material. Sixteen to be on social media. Okay, Well,
if maybe some people could say no, no, no, I
think by fourteen or fifteen you could be able to
be on Facebook. Maybe there's some restrictions that Facebook has
to put in place. That's a discussion, fine, but I
think it's clear there has to mean you should not
have ten year olds just roaming social media sites and
(28:58):
seeing what happens. It's not a good idea, you know
what's actually scary. And this is a part of this too.
There are a lot of minor accounts run by parents
that are subscribed to overwhelmingly by men. Dance dance pageant
moms like all this stuff. There's a big article about it,
(29:20):
I think in the New York Times, to their credit,
there is so much toxicity out there. A lot of
parents aren't doing the job. I just I think bad
demonic people out there. Yeah, dudes. And it's one thing.
You know, if the demon wants to come into my house,
I know how to handle that. But if the demon
(29:42):
is trying to get to your kids via the Internet,
and maybe he is overseas somewhere or whatever, you know,
this is where the government protected it. The same way
you can't protect yourself of North Korea invades. You actually
need government to, you know, to have a military response
to this. I think the government's protecting kids from these
(30:04):
online predators, especially because it's a global problem, makes a
whole lot of sense to me.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, and look, the reason why I love this response
in particular is because most kids respond by saying every
other kid is doing it, and if you have a
universal law, then parents can say, well, that's not legal.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
You know, it's a little bit like curfew. Right.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
If every other kid doesn't have a curfew, it gets
harder and harder to enforce it for your own self.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And look, we have restricted it. This is one of
the things we got right. We didn't give our kids
phones until they were fourteen. My kids have told us
that for years they were the only kid in school
that didn't have a phone, the only kid on the
soccer team, football team, baseball team.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Is right, I'm going to follow in your footsteps on
this one. By the way, I've thought ever since you
said that that you and Laura got this one totally
totally right, and that this is you need to have oversight,
certainly on the phones until fourteen or fifteen.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I think it's the right call, and I think increasingly
social media. This is my theory. I think it's going
to be seen as the cigarettes of our era. Everybody
likes to think that they will never have super unhealthy
choices that they were making in their life. You look
back at people and you say, oh, my goodness, how
in the world did they smoke cigarettes on the airplane?
How in the world did they do all these things
(31:23):
that we later find out, Why were they lancing people
who were sick and taking their blood and thinking that
that was going to make I think that we are
going to look at social media and the fact that
it was on our phones and our pockets and people
were on it all the time as one of the
most deletarious to public health choices that people voluntarily made
(31:44):
in any of our lives. And I think the longer
we can keep kids from using it regularly, the better
off they're likely to be.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
You know what else is deleterious to public health? Clay
excessive speeding, mister Redfoot. All right, I'm just saying over
all the time. By the way, I got a speeding
ticket the other day. I'd gone like five years without
a speeding ticket. I got pulled over in Florida. You
know what I tried to do, buck, I tried to
shake the hand of the officer. I was like, sorry,
(32:11):
you know it, stuck my hand out the window. He's like, sir,
I can't touch you. I didn't know that was a rule.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
But so anyway, I got a speeding ticket in the
middle of nowhere, Florida, coming back from the Florida State
Miami game.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Must not have been a Valls fan? What can I
tell you? All right? But he was a fan, no surprise.
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your podcasts. Christ in New York City, My relationship with
New York City listeners has been I think it's fair
to say tumultuous, going back to the Mom Donnie issue.
Let's see what he has to say.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
BB.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Christmas music comes around like for like twenty five days
out of three hundred and sixty four days.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Want a dumb take too much Christmas?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Get shut up?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
New York City not doing well? Yeah, lucky, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I don't know that his math was great there, But
but he's from New York, you know, and people aren't
great at math there. Stephen from you got a Stephen
from the Twin City.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
CEC, you're a mean one, Lay Trevis, you really are?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
He? I think you got you one voice. I'm not
gonna think I might be classically trained, you know. I
think he's got some some pipes.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
More than one. Oh wait, CC one, he doubled up.
Let's try CEC one. Is that the one we got?
I don't know audio was Grint's light there to close
up the final segment. I don't know what happened on
the Christmas music or anything else.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
So play is going to be out tomorrow. Hopefully he's
gonna show up with shoes because he did his radio
show today. He left his shoes at home. How did
you do that? I drove.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I like to drive in flip flops or barefoot, and
I had my shoes by the door. And then when
I we out here in Birmingham for the event tonight,
I realized I only have flip flops. So I've got
to go to a shoe store now to go find
shoes somewhere so I can wear them, so I don't
show up shoeless for the speech tonight.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
So Nick from Raleigh, see what I mean, buddy, Welcome
to Buck Island, where we don't drive without shoes on.
What is this? What are you? The barbarians? Shoeless driving madness?
At least I'm not going twenty miles an hour.
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