December 18, 2025 • 27 mins
In this episode of Normally, hosts Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz explore the growing divide between online outrage and real-world community. They break down the political fallout from a recent Vanity Fair interview with Susie Wiles, analyze JD Vance’s sharp responses to media criticism about the article, and discuss the broader implications of the Mar-a-Lago raid. The episode also touches on how political narratives are shaped by elite media versus everyday experience. To close things out, Mary Katharine and Karol take a lighter turn, examining the viral “6-7” trend among kids and why fostering in-person, communal activities still matters more than ever.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, guy, idea that normally the show a normal it
takes for one years getting leaded.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am Mary Katherine Man.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
And I'm Carol Markowitz. How are you? Mary Catherine?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm all right. You know, we're down to the wire here.
We're getting really are we really?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Really are?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Can I tell you about it?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
This is such a random little exchange I saw yesterday,
but it made me feel better about the world. I
was picking up food from a really popular restaurant near us,
so it was like popping buzzing, the bars packed, and
as I'm waiting for my order, the bartender comes over
to these two and I hate to describe it this way,
but it's necessary, really nondescript late forties early fifties women
(00:43):
and says, hey, those two men at the end of
the bar send I want to send you drinks. And
they were like, great, let's white wine. Their normalcy about it,
how like it was completely an unexpected thing that happens
to them.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It made me feel better about the world.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
We are still like having interactions at a random bar.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
On a Tuesday night, you know, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It makes me remember that stuff exists outside.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Of our Yes, it is important to engage in that.
I also went to a very I went to a
lovely Christmas themed dinner party last night hosted by a
friend who I generally like. We've talked about I'm a
nervous host, and she's very much not. She's just a
natural host. It's like she's great at it. Everything looks amazing,
everything tastes amazing, and I just marvel at it, particularly
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in mid December, that you put that together, can show
up like, hey, thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I brought something. But you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, so good, good
on those folks. I love it for allowing us to
have real life interactions. Maybe be like them in the
new year.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Everybody who later.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Expecting a Hanakok card from me, that'll be around early January.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We'll look out for it. Mine mine got in the mail.
My spur of the moment cards got in the mail.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So we do our best here, Mary Catherine, we are
we do so.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
The only story in the world right now seems to
be Susie Wiles gave a very expansive interview, actually many
many interview, many interviews to Vanity Fair.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And they burned her bed.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
No, so Susie Wiles is the famously the chief of
staff of the White House. She famously wrangled Donald Trump
and his large personality into winning the twenty twenty four election.
She is often credited with being a person that she
and goes to. She's a badass. She is a serious
and smart and tough person. And I'm very surprised.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I am shocked.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's like you're looking for the three D D chess
here because you're like, what is going on? She said
things that were yes, yes, of course, taken out of context.
She referred to Trump as having a personality of an alcoholic,
which is, you know, additionally crazy because he doesn't drink.
But you know what's interesting is that the interview comes
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off as she is. She's definitely not negative on these people,
like she calls Vans a conspiracy theorist. But it's all
like in passing, almost like she did get taken in
by the interviewer and they became chummy and she let
her guard down. Yes, so everybody has a hard time
imagining that for some whiles.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So here's the condensed version, which, again a lot of
these snippets do have more contexts that make them less negative,
but This is the New York Times summarizing mister Trump
quote has an alcoholics personality. Vice President Jady Vance quote
has been a conspiracy theorist for a decade, and his
conversion from Trump critic to ally was based not on
principle but was quote sort of political.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
That one was tough. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Elon Musk is quote an avowed Kenemine user in an odd,
odd duck.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I don't think he would being Yeah, everyone's like that one.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Tracks yep Russell vote the budget director is a right
wing absolute zide. She would yeah say amen, yes. And
Attorney General Pambondi quote completely whiffed in handling the Epstein files.
You'll notice who's not mentioned in there. Who's not mentioned
Marco Rubio who she mentioned him briefly.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
She said that, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
She said that his conversion to Trump was ideological as
opposed to Vance's.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Who was political.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yes, so we used like shive dance a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And he also all of his quotes are basically normy throughout.
He does not act a fool once during all of
these interviews. Yea, I have there's a couple possible theories
for what went down here. She sat for eleven interviews
with a guy who writes for Vanity Fair is also
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a historian of sorts of about. This is a beat
about White House chiefs of staff. Vanity Fair does spend
time with I think every administration. I would guess that
Biden's people didn't let them get nearly this quote close
to them. There is a downside to access, and now
you are seeing it. So she did eleven interviews. What's
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interesting to me is like, so you could wonder, like,
is she planning an exit and she's just sort of yeah,
putting her betting her flag in the ground. But then
this is not a retrospective interview, right, these were happening
as was this real time was unfolding, as crises were happening.
So she's being interview while it's happening. I guess you
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could hypothesize that she's sending public shots because Trump is
not listening to her privately in the way that she
would wish.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That's a possibility, that doesn't it well, But okay.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Sometimes he does listen to media instead of inside the house.
But yes, it does feel to me like she just
had a reporter friend, like right, like she got close
to this guy. He was around a lot. He's like
a reality TV camera. He's just there and then you
just get a little loose.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Lipped, and it happens to people all the time. It
just it's shocking that it happened to her. She just
seems like above that somehow, like the kind of person
that wouldn't get taken in by somebody being chummy.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know what other way to.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Explain it, but you're right about Rubio, and you know,
we talk about you and I are Rubio supporters in
twenty sixteen. He is just the adult in every room
and I love it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Also, as we're recording this, we're not going to get
into it on the show, but Trump is delivering an
address today and everybody's kind of guessing what he's talking about,
and a lot of jokes around, like he's going to
make Rubio president of Venezuela, you.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Know, because Rubio is the reliable guy.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Susie Wills's statement on X was the article published earlier
this morning is a disingenuously framed hit piece on me
and the finest resident White House staff and cabinet in history.
Significant contest context was disregarded, and much of what I
and others said about the team, and the president was
left out of the story. I assume after reading it
this was done to paint and overwhelmingly chaotic and negative
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narrative about the President and our team. The truth is
the Trump White House has already accomplished more in eleven
months than any other president has accomplished in eight years.
And that is due to the unmatched leadership and vision
of President Trump, for whom I have been honored work
better part of a decade. None of this will stop
our relentless pursuit of making America great again. Here's the thing. Yes,
it was done to paint and overwhelmingly chaots regative narrative
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about the President and our team. But we all know
that as right of center figures going into interviews, do
we not?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
We sure do? We really do?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And you know, beyond just what the words, when you
give an interview to Vanity Fair, you can be sure
they're going to use the worst pictures ever taken.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I mean, Caroline Leave.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It is a very attractive woman and they did a
close up of her face that shows every single pore
on it. And it's like, yes, they don't do this
to democrats.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
They just don't it's actually sort of perfect for our
meta age that there is a and this part really
is doing someone dirty. Like they put together this photo shoot,
which is the normal photo shoot for a vanity fair thing,
but they basically parodied their own photoshoots because when you
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do it for a democrat, it's like, oh, we're all
very serious, they're all very powerful, we're sitting on the desk.
They basically make a mockery of that self serious photo
session because they don't believe that this administration should be
treated seriously or get flattering photos. Then they write a
piece making fun of the people they called in to
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do their photo shoot.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, there's a whole piece talking about how, oh they
were uncomfortable sitting on the edge of the desk. You're
the photographer. Yeah, and now it again once again. It
is the job of the principle to know how they
might be cared in these situations, right, But I just
that part really did bug me.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, well, you're all going to be treated fairly.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I mean, you called them in for a photo shoot,
they're doing the thing you're telling them to do as
the artiste here, and then you turn in portraits that
are just like obviously meant to trash. Everyone wouldn't. I
would note that Marco Rubio's were the least. Yes, he
looks great, problematic, Yeah, he's he's like looking out the
(09:28):
window to the future. He is, he has done less dirty.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
He did say in the piece something that he has
said before, which is that if Vance is running, he's
not going to run in twenty twenty eight. If Vance
is running, of course, there's a long time between now
and then.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Lots of things can happen, you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It is interesting though, because she she hit on all
sorts of vulnerabilities and things that have been in the press.
She talked about mistakes made during deportations. Oh yeah, she
talked about how she basically she's very open about you know,
I basically said, your retribution tour is ninety days long,
and he was like, no, I want it to be longer.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah. I didn't know that was so bad. I was
cringing so hard for all of that.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, and here's the thing is she makes further points,
which are in the piece, about how, yeah, you could
see it as retribution, but these people actually did something
wrong and what he's trying to do is prevent them
from doing wrong things to other people, right, right, And
some of that is legit. It's just a way that
she is framing it is very problematic yeap for the
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person she works for.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, really odd and surprising.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I will say that Vance was asked about it yesterday
and he did, but I think is a fantastic job
of beating it back.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Let's hear what he says and then discuss it.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Well. First of all, if Susie is like, I'll trust,
I'll trust what you said, I haven't looked at the article.
I of course have heard about it. But conspiracy theorist
sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe
in the conspiracy theories that are true. And by the way,
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Susie and I have joked in private and in public
about that for a long time. For example, I believed
in the crazy conspiracy theory back in twenty twenty that
it was stupid to mask three year olds at the
height of the COVID pandemic, that we should actually let
them develop some language skills. You know. I believed in
this crazy conspiracy theory that the media and the government
(11:34):
were covering up the fact that Joe Biden was clearly
unable to do the job. And I believed in the
conspiracy theory that Joe Biden was trying to throw his
political opponents in jail rather than win an argument against
this political opponent's So, at least on some of these
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conspiracy theories, turns out that a conspiracy theory is just
something that was true six months before the media admitted it.
And that's that's my understanding.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Stellar response, extremely clever, very on his toes.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Also knew exactly what was in this article, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Right, I'll just assume that I haven't read it. Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So you know, I think that that was a really
fantastic response by him, having said that he's bestie Tucker
Carlson is you know, pushing a lot of other conspiracy theories,
and because of their close relationship, because Tucker Son works
for him, because the Advance goes out of his way
to really stick up for Tucker, He's going to be
asked things for the next four years like who did
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nine to eleven?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know, questions similar to that.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So I feel like that's going to be an issue
for him, Susie painting him as a conspiracy theorist. He
did a you know, again, great job beating that back
for now, But you know, were Egyptian planes following a Kirk?
All these things that Tucker brings up are going to
be at Vance's feet. And he started answering those.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, this is a clever answer and the true answer
right that He's right, a bunch of conspiracy theories did
end up being true. And unfortunately, because so many people
lied for so long about so many large things, that's it.
The trust deficit is so bad that the Egyptian plane
stories and the who did nine to eleven gain ground
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because no one knows if they can trust official sources
and official institutions right right, So there, like there's a
cell phone from the left on many of these things
where you create more conspiracy theorists. And it is our
job and a tough one to like draw lines and
say this is what's real and this is what's not.
So I think it's a clever, it's a way to
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answer this. I also think it reflects you know, he says,
they joke around about this. I'm sure they do.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I'm sure they too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Jd. Vance is throughout this profile and Vanity fair frequently
self deprecating. He knows exactly what the hits on him are,
and he turns them into jokes, which is the correct
way to handle them. I have no doubt that her
labeling of him as that is partly a joke. And
there's a there's a part right at the end where
Vance is talking to the photographer and he says The
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New York Times characterizes it as the underlying tension came
through when mister Vance posed for the magazine's photographer. I'll
give you a one hundred bucks for every person you
make look really shitty compared to me, mister Vance joked,
and a thousand if it's Marco.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
It's just a joke, yeah, and it's it is a
joke about a thing that is happening, and he's very
good at sort of diffusing right in that way. And
to treat it so seriously, I think is a mistake,
and is often the mistake that press makes with Trump
and with others in this administration, is like, sometimes not
every single thing that comes out of their mouths should
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be treated as a very serious statement about the future
of the party. You know, he's just goofing in a
photo shoot.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So clearly a joke.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And they're like the tension like there was no tension,
like stop it, stop it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Also, I wanted to note two important things. One that
Wiles said, if there were to be land strikes in Venezuela,
if he were to authorize some activity on land, then
you'd have to then it's war. Then Congress would have
to authorize. So I thought that was an interesting line
laid down for the future should be I'm.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Not sure why she did that to him, but.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Okay, gonna be something that's going to come back up,
and then I have it marked. I'll read out the
whole alcoholics personality part, because I do think she was
making a larger point. She attributes her ability to work
for mister Trump to growing up with an alcoholic father.
The sportscaster Pat Summer all high functioning alcoholics. This is
her how high functioning alcoholics are. Alcoholics in general, their
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personalities are exaggerated when they drink, she said, And so
I'm a little bit of an expert in big personalities
while mister Trump does not drink. The New York Times
goes on, she said, he has quote an alcoholics personality
with a quote a view that there's nothing he can't do.
So there was a larger, less problematic point she was making. Yes, Yeah,
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but you can't deny that you said these things. You
can't deny that you sat for the interviews. You can't
run from this because it's all very frank, right, and.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
We all know they're going to take us out of context,
like we know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
It's just the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
As my husband told me when my four year old
clocked me the other day, and it's just starting to
bruise a little bit. You can't leave yourself unprotected like that.
You got to know the environment you're working in. But yeah,
and the funny thing is when you say this was
designed to frame us as chaotic and problematic, you helped
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frame it that way.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
You did.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
The fact that you talk too much led to this conclusion.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
So that's that's an interesting one.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
All Right.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
We're going to take a sharp break and be right
back with more on normally.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
All right, coming back on normally with talking about some
former conspiracy theories. Actually, jd Vance in that clip that
we played made reference to the idea that perhaps some
of those prosecutions of Donald Trump were not on the
up and up and maybe we're a little bit aggressive
and political, And in fact there is new evidence of
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that from Fox News Digital, Brooks Singmann reports this is
FBI doubted probable cause for mar A Lago raid, but
pushed forward amid pressure from Biden. Doj emails reveal all.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
That never happens.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, this is the August twenty two raid of mar
A Lago, which my position at the time was, Wow,
this is a lot. I feel like they could be
having these conversations without sending having a search warrant, doing
a raid, and you know, the doesn't look great, doesn't
feel good, doesn't And I also thought there was evidence
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that he did have stuff he shouldn't have and that
he should give it back right. Well, it turns out
that the FBI agreed with me at the time, saying
very little has been developed related to who might be
culpable from mis handling the documents. An FBI official serving
as an assistant Special Agent in charge wrote to another
FBI official quote from the interviews. WFO Washington Field Office,
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which is the regional office, has been drafting a search
warrant Affidavid related to these potential boxes at mar A Lago,
but has some concerns that the information is single source,
has not been corroborated, and maybe dated. Doj opines, however,
that they meet the probable cause standard even as we
continue down the path towards a search warrant. WFO believes
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that a reasonable conversation with the former president's attorney stating
that FBI and DJ are readying a search warrant and
have developed information that there are more documents that Mark
ought not to be discounted. And there's back and forth,
back and forth, back and forth with folks at CFO
trying to be professional and saying, I don't think this
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is the way. It doesn't seem like we have the dirt, guys,
and DJ is like, nah, run with it.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Right, all good here? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I look back at that time and I pinpoint that
as the time where Trump was going to win reelection.
I think this is what led to it. I remember
my own feelings, like it's hard to remember Donald Trump
sort of at of the news, but that's where he was.
He was in the background. I really didn't think he
would run again. I had seen him at mar A
Lago and he seemed really happy and content, and I
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was like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I think this guy's done, and then this happens, and.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I remember my own they raided Milania's closet, Like it
just suddenly, like everything that he said about how unfair
he was treated and how law enforcement was used against him,
and just all of that came into really focus for me,
and I think it did for a lot of other
people too.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I think that people saw him as.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Really being unfairly beaten up by the system and by
the Democrats. So I think that this raid led directly
to his reelection.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I mean, it's Operation Crossfire Hurricane all over again, which
is a bunch of politicals at the top of DJ
who have partisan ends are like, we don't like this guy,
this guy's bad, just don't like him. We're going to
end this guy, and here's how we're going to do it.
And there's a combination of stretching evidence, making up things,
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putting things in documentation that are not true, being extremely
heavy handed, and it is all with the end almost
confessed on paper in writing that the point is to
be done with Donald Trump. And you're letting your politics
lead you to quote unquote evidence. And again I think
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I think there was real evidence that he that he
has stuff there he shouldn't have, right that we all
knew that that maybe arguably should have been other places
just of Biden. Maybe Yesh says it right, Right, you
have the conversation, you don't do the raid, which is
what FBI was saying throughout, and they just in all
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these emails are saying, we're getting draft after draft after
draft from DJ. We're telling them that this is bad.
DJ's telling this they don't give a damn about the optics.
It doesn't matter. I mean, it's like exactly as you
would imagine it is how it went down in writing.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It's crazy that it's all in there that I don't
give a damn about optics. Is it's really something They
wanted these optics, right, They wanted to have a raid
at his house. They wanted to make it seem like
this man had done something that deserved this.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
There's no evidence at all that he did well.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And then the FBI further stipulates, like we want to
have in mind of officers safe to the optics of
the search, and the desire to conduct this search in
a professional and low key manner. There is a far
better chance execution will go more smoothly, and we may
actually gain some measure of cooperation which could go some
way to resolving the mishandling of classified record as investigation
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that is being conducted. I understand this request may not
go well at DOJ. However, it is the FBI serving
and executing the warrant, and it will be our personnel
who will have to deal to reaction to that first contact.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
They did not want this.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
In bureaucratic speak, it's all.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Of them just begging DOJ please, don't please, please?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Can we not do this? Yeah? And you know, probable
cause is actually pretty important.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
You really, I've heard about that.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I think that's what they say, that probable cause actually
matters well.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And there are many ways that search warrants can be executed,
many ways that these things can be done. There's a
whole scale of like depending on cooperation, how they're done.
And they're arguing, rightly, this is the formal president, let's cooperate. Yeah,
let's be low key, and Biden Dej's like, we will
not be low key, right.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Because again they wanted the headlines and that's what they
got and that's what led.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You know, I'd say to Trump, I think.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I do think part of that was You're right that
that turned in a way and made people go rating
his house. This is, this is above and beyond, it's
over the line. They're they're making up charges in New
York that they've never used before, right right, all of that,
and it made people more supportive of him rather than less.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I definitely became more defensive of Donald Trump after that,
and I know I know I'm not alone in that.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well, you made good job, guys, good job, good job.
We'll be right back with more on normally and a light.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Topic to let you head off into the holidays in peace.
We are back on normally, where you may have heard
the six or seven times six seven, and.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Then you do the I know, the little hand motion
that goes.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
There because my son, who is three almost three, his
cousins taught him.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So he's going talking around the house doing sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So I wrote about six seven in Wall Street Journal's
new Opinion newsletter. It's out if you're listening to this
on Thursday. It's out in yesterday's.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Newsletter about let the kids have.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The six seven. Why are adults so annoyed at it?
It's really it almost makes no sense to me how
irritated adults seem to be about this whole thing. And
I write my defense of it. I say, six seven. Yes,
it's annoying, Yes it's dumb. Yes it doesn't mean anything.
But it's also an offline phenomenon which.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
We say we want.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Right, you can't sit alone in a room to a
screen being like six seven.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's true. It's a communal activity.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Now, Yes, it's something that brings these kids together. It's
not divided by like the jocks do it or the
nerds do it.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Everybody does it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
They have fun together, something that connects them, and that
connection is something that we should approve of and foster,
even if it is a touch annoying.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I'm not that annoyed by it. And I feel like,
now that I know about it, surely it will be
dead soon. That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Once wear's on it, that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Because I'm an old But I do like seeing the
videos of kids at basketball games waiting for the score
to hit six seven and they all explode. And you're right,
you don't have to be like a jock to enjoy it.
You don't have to be in any group. For everyone.
It originated with a scrilla song that was over overlaid
(25:36):
on some tiktoks, and of course that's how all these
things are born these days. And then it got overlaid
by on a basketball commentator commenting that someone was six
seven in a sort of a funny lilt that he
said it, and then it just evolved in this thing. Yeah,
it means, it does mean absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's a meme about nothing. As I say in my.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Piece, yeah, well did you see that the Baylor women's
basketball team game where the six seventh thing happened? I
couldn't help but like, big smile, and I don't care
about Alabama State or Baylor or women's basketball or any
of it.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
But I write in the piece the score was sixty
four twenty four.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Baylor sophomore goes to the free throw line for three shots,
and like, she gets the first one, then she gets
the second one, and then she gets the third one,
and the whole place erupts, and it's so fun, and
you know, just you're in on a joke and it's great.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
It's also, we don't have a monoculture anymore, right, I
say that, Yeah, is six seven are monoculture? It might be, right,
we gotta take what we can get, guys, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We don't have the super Bowl, the movie yeah, or
the shows that everybody watches, or the music that people
listen to.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah. We don't have any of that, and that is
this is great. Let the kids have it. Let the
kids have it. Enjoy your sixty seven guys. Well, thank
you for joining us on normally.
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am Mary Katherine Man.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
And I'm Carol Markowitz. How are you? Mary Catherine?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm all right. You know, we're down to the wire here.
We're getting really are we really?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Really are?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Can I tell you about it?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
This is such a random little exchange I saw yesterday,
but it made me feel better about the world. I
was picking up food from a really popular restaurant near us,
so it was like popping buzzing, the bars packed, and
as I'm waiting for my order, the bartender comes over
to these two and I hate to describe it this way,
but it's necessary, really nondescript late forties early fifties women
(00:43):
and says, hey, those two men at the end of
the bar send I want to send you drinks. And
they were like, great, let's white wine. Their normalcy about it,
how like it was completely an unexpected thing that happens
to them.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It made me feel better about the world.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
We are still like having interactions at a random bar.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
On a Tuesday night, you know, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It makes me remember that stuff exists outside.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Of our Yes, it is important to engage in that.
I also went to a very I went to a
lovely Christmas themed dinner party last night hosted by a
friend who I generally like. We've talked about I'm a
nervous host, and she's very much not. She's just a
natural host. It's like she's great at it. Everything looks amazing,
everything tastes amazing, and I just marvel at it, particularly
(01:34):
in mid December, that you put that together, can show
up like, hey, thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I brought something. But you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, so good, good
on those folks. I love it for allowing us to
have real life interactions. Maybe be like them in the
new year.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Everybody who later.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Expecting a Hanakok card from me, that'll be around early January.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We'll look out for it. Mine mine got in the mail.
My spur of the moment cards got in the mail.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So we do our best here, Mary Catherine, we are
we do so.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
The only story in the world right now seems to
be Susie Wiles gave a very expansive interview, actually many
many interview, many interviews to Vanity Fair.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And they burned her bed.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
No, so Susie Wiles is the famously the chief of
staff of the White House. She famously wrangled Donald Trump
and his large personality into winning the twenty twenty four election.
She is often credited with being a person that she
and goes to. She's a badass. She is a serious
and smart and tough person. And I'm very surprised.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I am shocked.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's like you're looking for the three D D chess
here because you're like, what is going on? She said
things that were yes, yes, of course, taken out of context.
She referred to Trump as having a personality of an alcoholic,
which is, you know, additionally crazy because he doesn't drink.
But you know what's interesting is that the interview comes
(03:15):
off as she is. She's definitely not negative on these people,
like she calls Vans a conspiracy theorist. But it's all
like in passing, almost like she did get taken in
by the interviewer and they became chummy and she let
her guard down. Yes, so everybody has a hard time
imagining that for some whiles.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So here's the condensed version, which, again a lot of
these snippets do have more contexts that make them less negative,
but This is the New York Times summarizing mister Trump
quote has an alcoholics personality. Vice President Jady Vance quote
has been a conspiracy theorist for a decade, and his
conversion from Trump critic to ally was based not on
principle but was quote sort of political.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
That one was tough. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Elon Musk is quote an avowed Kenemine user in an odd,
odd duck.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I don't think he would being Yeah, everyone's like that one.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Tracks yep Russell vote the budget director is a right
wing absolute zide. She would yeah say amen, yes. And
Attorney General Pambondi quote completely whiffed in handling the Epstein files.
You'll notice who's not mentioned in there. Who's not mentioned
Marco Rubio who she mentioned him briefly.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
She said that, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
She said that his conversion to Trump was ideological as
opposed to Vance's.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Who was political.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yes, so we used like shive dance a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And he also all of his quotes are basically normy throughout.
He does not act a fool once during all of
these interviews. Yea, I have there's a couple possible theories
for what went down here. She sat for eleven interviews
with a guy who writes for Vanity Fair is also
(04:57):
a historian of sorts of about. This is a beat
about White House chiefs of staff. Vanity Fair does spend
time with I think every administration. I would guess that
Biden's people didn't let them get nearly this quote close
to them. There is a downside to access, and now
you are seeing it. So she did eleven interviews. What's
(05:19):
interesting to me is like, so you could wonder, like,
is she planning an exit and she's just sort of yeah,
putting her betting her flag in the ground. But then
this is not a retrospective interview, right, these were happening
as was this real time was unfolding, as crises were happening.
So she's being interview while it's happening. I guess you
(05:40):
could hypothesize that she's sending public shots because Trump is
not listening to her privately in the way that she
would wish.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That's a possibility, that doesn't it well, But okay.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Sometimes he does listen to media instead of inside the house.
But yes, it does feel to me like she just
had a reporter friend, like right, like she got close
to this guy. He was around a lot. He's like
a reality TV camera. He's just there and then you
just get a little loose.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Lipped, and it happens to people all the time. It
just it's shocking that it happened to her. She just
seems like above that somehow, like the kind of person
that wouldn't get taken in by somebody being chummy.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know what other way to.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Explain it, but you're right about Rubio, and you know,
we talk about you and I are Rubio supporters in
twenty sixteen. He is just the adult in every room
and I love it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Also, as we're recording this, we're not going to get
into it on the show, but Trump is delivering an
address today and everybody's kind of guessing what he's talking about,
and a lot of jokes around, like he's going to
make Rubio president of Venezuela, you.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Know, because Rubio is the reliable guy.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Susie Wills's statement on X was the article published earlier
this morning is a disingenuously framed hit piece on me
and the finest resident White House staff and cabinet in history.
Significant contest context was disregarded, and much of what I
and others said about the team, and the president was
left out of the story. I assume after reading it
this was done to paint and overwhelmingly chaotic and negative
(07:13):
narrative about the President and our team. The truth is
the Trump White House has already accomplished more in eleven
months than any other president has accomplished in eight years.
And that is due to the unmatched leadership and vision
of President Trump, for whom I have been honored work
better part of a decade. None of this will stop
our relentless pursuit of making America great again. Here's the thing. Yes,
it was done to paint and overwhelmingly chaots regative narrative
(07:33):
about the President and our team. But we all know
that as right of center figures going into interviews, do
we not?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
We sure do? We really do?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And you know, beyond just what the words, when you
give an interview to Vanity Fair, you can be sure
they're going to use the worst pictures ever taken.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I mean, Caroline Leave.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It is a very attractive woman and they did a
close up of her face that shows every single pore
on it. And it's like, yes, they don't do this
to democrats.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
They just don't it's actually sort of perfect for our
meta age that there is a and this part really
is doing someone dirty. Like they put together this photo shoot,
which is the normal photo shoot for a vanity fair thing,
but they basically parodied their own photoshoots because when you
(08:23):
do it for a democrat, it's like, oh, we're all
very serious, they're all very powerful, we're sitting on the desk.
They basically make a mockery of that self serious photo
session because they don't believe that this administration should be
treated seriously or get flattering photos. Then they write a
piece making fun of the people they called in to
(08:44):
do their photo shoot.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, there's a whole piece talking about how, oh they
were uncomfortable sitting on the edge of the desk. You're
the photographer. Yeah, and now it again once again. It
is the job of the principle to know how they
might be cared in these situations, right, But I just
that part really did bug me.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, well, you're all going to be treated fairly.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I mean, you called them in for a photo shoot,
they're doing the thing you're telling them to do as
the artiste here, and then you turn in portraits that
are just like obviously meant to trash. Everyone wouldn't. I
would note that Marco Rubio's were the least. Yes, he
looks great, problematic, Yeah, he's he's like looking out the
(09:28):
window to the future. He is, he has done less dirty.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
He did say in the piece something that he has
said before, which is that if Vance is running, he's
not going to run in twenty twenty eight. If Vance
is running, of course, there's a long time between now
and then.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Lots of things can happen, you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It is interesting though, because she she hit on all
sorts of vulnerabilities and things that have been in the press.
She talked about mistakes made during deportations. Oh yeah, she
talked about how she basically she's very open about you know,
I basically said, your retribution tour is ninety days long,
and he was like, no, I want it to be longer.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah. I didn't know that was so bad. I was
cringing so hard for all of that.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, and here's the thing is she makes further points,
which are in the piece, about how, yeah, you could
see it as retribution, but these people actually did something
wrong and what he's trying to do is prevent them
from doing wrong things to other people, right, right, And
some of that is legit. It's just a way that
she is framing it is very problematic yeap for the
(10:34):
person she works for.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, really odd and surprising.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I will say that Vance was asked about it yesterday
and he did, but I think is a fantastic job
of beating it back.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Let's hear what he says and then discuss it.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Well. First of all, if Susie is like, I'll trust,
I'll trust what you said, I haven't looked at the article.
I of course have heard about it. But conspiracy theorist
sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe
in the conspiracy theories that are true. And by the way,
(11:11):
Susie and I have joked in private and in public
about that for a long time. For example, I believed
in the crazy conspiracy theory back in twenty twenty that
it was stupid to mask three year olds at the
height of the COVID pandemic, that we should actually let
them develop some language skills. You know. I believed in
this crazy conspiracy theory that the media and the government
(11:34):
were covering up the fact that Joe Biden was clearly
unable to do the job. And I believed in the
conspiracy theory that Joe Biden was trying to throw his
political opponents in jail rather than win an argument against
this political opponent's So, at least on some of these
(11:58):
conspiracy theories, turns out that a conspiracy theory is just
something that was true six months before the media admitted it.
And that's that's my understanding.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Stellar response, extremely clever, very on his toes.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Also knew exactly what was in this article, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Right, I'll just assume that I haven't read it. Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So you know, I think that that was a really
fantastic response by him, having said that he's bestie Tucker
Carlson is you know, pushing a lot of other conspiracy theories,
and because of their close relationship, because Tucker Son works
for him, because the Advance goes out of his way
to really stick up for Tucker, He's going to be
asked things for the next four years like who did
(12:44):
nine to eleven?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know, questions similar to that.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So I feel like that's going to be an issue
for him, Susie painting him as a conspiracy theorist. He
did a you know, again, great job beating that back
for now, But you know, were Egyptian planes following a Kirk?
All these things that Tucker brings up are going to
be at Vance's feet. And he started answering those.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, this is a clever answer and the true answer
right that He's right, a bunch of conspiracy theories did
end up being true. And unfortunately, because so many people
lied for so long about so many large things, that's it.
The trust deficit is so bad that the Egyptian plane
stories and the who did nine to eleven gain ground
(13:29):
because no one knows if they can trust official sources
and official institutions right right, So there, like there's a
cell phone from the left on many of these things
where you create more conspiracy theorists. And it is our
job and a tough one to like draw lines and
say this is what's real and this is what's not.
So I think it's a clever, it's a way to
(13:52):
answer this. I also think it reflects you know, he says,
they joke around about this. I'm sure they do.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I'm sure they too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Jd. Vance is throughout this profile and Vanity fair frequently
self deprecating. He knows exactly what the hits on him are,
and he turns them into jokes, which is the correct
way to handle them. I have no doubt that her
labeling of him as that is partly a joke. And
there's a there's a part right at the end where
Vance is talking to the photographer and he says The
(14:21):
New York Times characterizes it as the underlying tension came
through when mister Vance posed for the magazine's photographer. I'll
give you a one hundred bucks for every person you
make look really shitty compared to me, mister Vance joked,
and a thousand if it's Marco.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
It's just a joke, yeah, and it's it is a
joke about a thing that is happening, and he's very
good at sort of diffusing right in that way. And
to treat it so seriously, I think is a mistake,
and is often the mistake that press makes with Trump
and with others in this administration, is like, sometimes not
every single thing that comes out of their mouths should
(14:58):
be treated as a very serious statement about the future
of the party. You know, he's just goofing in a
photo shoot.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So clearly a joke.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And they're like the tension like there was no tension,
like stop it, stop it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Also, I wanted to note two important things. One that
Wiles said, if there were to be land strikes in Venezuela,
if he were to authorize some activity on land, then
you'd have to then it's war. Then Congress would have
to authorize. So I thought that was an interesting line
laid down for the future should be I'm.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Not sure why she did that to him, but.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Okay, gonna be something that's going to come back up,
and then I have it marked. I'll read out the
whole alcoholics personality part, because I do think she was
making a larger point. She attributes her ability to work
for mister Trump to growing up with an alcoholic father.
The sportscaster Pat Summer all high functioning alcoholics. This is
her how high functioning alcoholics are. Alcoholics in general, their
(15:57):
personalities are exaggerated when they drink, she said, And so
I'm a little bit of an expert in big personalities
while mister Trump does not drink. The New York Times
goes on, she said, he has quote an alcoholics personality
with a quote a view that there's nothing he can't do.
So there was a larger, less problematic point she was making. Yes, Yeah,
(16:17):
but you can't deny that you said these things. You
can't deny that you sat for the interviews. You can't
run from this because it's all very frank, right, and.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
We all know they're going to take us out of context,
like we know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
It's just the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
As my husband told me when my four year old
clocked me the other day, and it's just starting to
bruise a little bit. You can't leave yourself unprotected like that.
You got to know the environment you're working in. But yeah,
and the funny thing is when you say this was
designed to frame us as chaotic and problematic, you helped
(16:52):
frame it that way.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
You did.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
The fact that you talk too much led to this conclusion.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
So that's that's an interesting one.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
All Right.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
We're going to take a sharp break and be right
back with more on normally.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
All right, coming back on normally with talking about some
former conspiracy theories. Actually, jd Vance in that clip that
we played made reference to the idea that perhaps some
of those prosecutions of Donald Trump were not on the
up and up and maybe we're a little bit aggressive
and political, And in fact there is new evidence of
(17:31):
that from Fox News Digital, Brooks Singmann reports this is
FBI doubted probable cause for mar A Lago raid, but
pushed forward amid pressure from Biden. Doj emails reveal all.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
That never happens.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, this is the August twenty two raid of mar
A Lago, which my position at the time was, Wow,
this is a lot. I feel like they could be
having these conversations without sending having a search warrant, doing
a raid, and you know, the doesn't look great, doesn't
feel good, doesn't And I also thought there was evidence
(18:07):
that he did have stuff he shouldn't have and that
he should give it back right. Well, it turns out
that the FBI agreed with me at the time, saying
very little has been developed related to who might be
culpable from mis handling the documents. An FBI official serving
as an assistant Special Agent in charge wrote to another
FBI official quote from the interviews. WFO Washington Field Office,
(18:31):
which is the regional office, has been drafting a search
warrant Affidavid related to these potential boxes at mar A Lago,
but has some concerns that the information is single source,
has not been corroborated, and maybe dated. Doj opines, however,
that they meet the probable cause standard even as we
continue down the path towards a search warrant. WFO believes
(18:51):
that a reasonable conversation with the former president's attorney stating
that FBI and DJ are readying a search warrant and
have developed information that there are more documents that Mark
ought not to be discounted. And there's back and forth,
back and forth, back and forth with folks at CFO
trying to be professional and saying, I don't think this
(19:12):
is the way. It doesn't seem like we have the dirt, guys,
and DJ is like, nah, run with it.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Right, all good here? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I look back at that time and I pinpoint that
as the time where Trump was going to win reelection.
I think this is what led to it. I remember
my own feelings, like it's hard to remember Donald Trump
sort of at of the news, but that's where he was.
He was in the background. I really didn't think he
would run again. I had seen him at mar A
Lago and he seemed really happy and content, and I
(19:42):
was like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I think this guy's done, and then this happens, and.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I remember my own they raided Milania's closet, Like it
just suddenly, like everything that he said about how unfair
he was treated and how law enforcement was used against him,
and just all of that came into really focus for me,
and I think it did for a lot of other
people too.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I think that people saw him as.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Really being unfairly beaten up by the system and by
the Democrats. So I think that this raid led directly
to his reelection.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I mean, it's Operation Crossfire Hurricane all over again, which
is a bunch of politicals at the top of DJ
who have partisan ends are like, we don't like this guy,
this guy's bad, just don't like him. We're going to
end this guy, and here's how we're going to do it.
And there's a combination of stretching evidence, making up things,
(20:39):
putting things in documentation that are not true, being extremely
heavy handed, and it is all with the end almost
confessed on paper in writing that the point is to
be done with Donald Trump. And you're letting your politics
lead you to quote unquote evidence. And again I think
(21:00):
I think there was real evidence that he that he
has stuff there he shouldn't have, right that we all
knew that that maybe arguably should have been other places
just of Biden. Maybe Yesh says it right, Right, you
have the conversation, you don't do the raid, which is
what FBI was saying throughout, and they just in all
(21:20):
these emails are saying, we're getting draft after draft after
draft from DJ. We're telling them that this is bad.
DJ's telling this they don't give a damn about the optics.
It doesn't matter. I mean, it's like exactly as you
would imagine it is how it went down in writing.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It's crazy that it's all in there that I don't
give a damn about optics. Is it's really something They
wanted these optics, right, They wanted to have a raid
at his house. They wanted to make it seem like
this man had done something that deserved this.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
There's no evidence at all that he did well.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And then the FBI further stipulates, like we want to
have in mind of officers safe to the optics of
the search, and the desire to conduct this search in
a professional and low key manner. There is a far
better chance execution will go more smoothly, and we may
actually gain some measure of cooperation which could go some
way to resolving the mishandling of classified record as investigation
(22:14):
that is being conducted. I understand this request may not
go well at DOJ. However, it is the FBI serving
and executing the warrant, and it will be our personnel
who will have to deal to reaction to that first contact.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
They did not want this.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
In bureaucratic speak, it's all.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Of them just begging DOJ please, don't please, please?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Can we not do this? Yeah? And you know, probable
cause is actually pretty important.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
You really, I've heard about that.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I think that's what they say, that probable cause actually
matters well.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And there are many ways that search warrants can be executed,
many ways that these things can be done. There's a
whole scale of like depending on cooperation, how they're done.
And they're arguing, rightly, this is the formal president, let's cooperate. Yeah,
let's be low key, and Biden Dej's like, we will
not be low key, right.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Because again they wanted the headlines and that's what they
got and that's what led.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You know, I'd say to Trump, I think.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I do think part of that was You're right that
that turned in a way and made people go rating
his house. This is, this is above and beyond, it's
over the line. They're they're making up charges in New
York that they've never used before, right right, all of that,
and it made people more supportive of him rather than less.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I definitely became more defensive of Donald Trump after that,
and I know I know I'm not alone in that.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well, you made good job, guys, good job, good job.
We'll be right back with more on normally and a light.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Topic to let you head off into the holidays in peace.
We are back on normally, where you may have heard
the six or seven times six seven, and.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Then you do the I know, the little hand motion
that goes.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
There because my son, who is three almost three, his
cousins taught him.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So he's going talking around the house doing sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So I wrote about six seven in Wall Street Journal's
new Opinion newsletter. It's out if you're listening to this
on Thursday. It's out in yesterday's.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Newsletter about let the kids have.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The six seven. Why are adults so annoyed at it?
It's really it almost makes no sense to me how
irritated adults seem to be about this whole thing. And
I write my defense of it. I say, six seven. Yes,
it's annoying, Yes it's dumb. Yes it doesn't mean anything.
But it's also an offline phenomenon which.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
We say we want.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Right, you can't sit alone in a room to a
screen being like six seven.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's true. It's a communal activity.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Now, Yes, it's something that brings these kids together. It's
not divided by like the jocks do it or the
nerds do it.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Everybody does it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
They have fun together, something that connects them, and that
connection is something that we should approve of and foster,
even if it is a touch annoying.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I'm not that annoyed by it. And I feel like,
now that I know about it, surely it will be
dead soon. That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Once wear's on it, that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Because I'm an old But I do like seeing the
videos of kids at basketball games waiting for the score
to hit six seven and they all explode. And you're right,
you don't have to be like a jock to enjoy it.
You don't have to be in any group. For everyone.
It originated with a scrilla song that was over overlaid
(25:36):
on some tiktoks, and of course that's how all these
things are born these days. And then it got overlaid
by on a basketball commentator commenting that someone was six
seven in a sort of a funny lilt that he
said it, and then it just evolved in this thing. Yeah,
it means, it does mean absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's a meme about nothing. As I say in my.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Piece, yeah, well did you see that the Baylor women's
basketball team game where the six seventh thing happened? I
couldn't help but like, big smile, and I don't care
about Alabama State or Baylor or women's basketball or any
of it.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
But I write in the piece the score was sixty
four twenty four.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Baylor sophomore goes to the free throw line for three shots,
and like, she gets the first one, then she gets
the second one, and then she gets the third one,
and the whole place erupts, and it's so fun, and
you know, just you're in on a joke and it's great.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
It's also, we don't have a monoculture anymore, right, I
say that, Yeah, is six seven are monoculture? It might be, right,
we gotta take what we can get, guys, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We don't have the super Bowl, the movie yeah, or
the shows that everybody watches, or the music that people
listen to.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah. We don't have any of that, and that is
this is great. Let the kids have it. Let the
kids have it. Enjoy your sixty seven guys. Well, thank
you for joining us on normally.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
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