David Rutherford Show: Syria Is the Warning — This Is How Global Conflicts Begin | Kevork Almassian - The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two American soldiers and an interpreter recently killed in Syria.
Why do we have troops still in Syria? Join me
today as I welcome kavork Amasian Syrian expert and from
the homeland itself to the David Rutherford Show. I saw

(00:27):
your most recent analysis of the current situation in Syria.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I was blown away by it. I think I'm.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
A big proponent of people who are from the area,
who have intimate personal connections to a place to be
able to give the best analysis. And after going and
watching a bunch of your videos, and going through your
profile and X and watching your YouTube channel, I just
thought my audience would benefit immeasurably from your expertise.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
So thank you so much for joining me. Devid, thank
you so much for the opportunity. When I started my
own YouTube channel in twenty seventeen, my main goal was
to build bridges with the American people because I believe
we have a lot in common, and politicians tried to
separate between the people in order to portray one people

(01:18):
as evil and the others are saints.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
It's just a black and white picture that they try
to portray. But when we really understand each other, we
will also come to the conclusion that many politicians who
wage this type of let's say, aggressions on other nations
or other people, they don't really have the case and
they therefore they try to give different narratives to their
own people in order to sell a war basically. But

(01:43):
this time in Syva, this was a covert wur It
wasn't declared. Let's say to the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, I mean, I'm the perfect example of that.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I mean, when I was in the seal teams and
nine to eleven happened, and it was like, Okay, we
gotta go seek revenge, we gotta go kill a bunch
of appshan tal ban al kita whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
It was just Muslims in general.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
You know, I concocted a significant level of hate when
I knew nothing about the Afghan people, the Afghan history.
I mean, I remember as a kid watching the Exposes
in sixty minutes with my father about the Afghan War
and Mouhajaden. But now all of a sudden, it's completely flipped.
I'm a little confused. I go over and after my

(02:27):
first deployment, I was fundamentally confused because I started to
see the politics play out in the war itself. And
then as I continued and went to work for Blackwater
and went to work for the agency, I really came like.
I did my research and read probably I don't know
fifteen twenty books on Afghanistan, the people, the history, the culture,

(02:50):
the various cultures, its importance in the region, and that
was transformational for me to realize how to separate right,
I think the challenge and you stated it perfectly, that
politicians and people in power are constantly trying to pit
us against one another. We're seeing it in our own

(03:11):
in America now, but all over the world, Americans against
this class of people or this class of people by
by contextualizing it and is very black and white. And
what I do understand is that none of this is simple.
There's an there's many different layers of complexity, and I'm

(03:31):
so grateful that today you're going to share with our
viewers your insights as to what those complexities are. So
as we get started, can you just give a brief
history of yourself and what got you to the position
that you're in today.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
First of all, this was around one hundred years ago,
one hundred and fifteen years ago. My ancestors fled the
Armenian Genocide. This was in the current day southern Turkey,
so they had to Some of them fled to eastern
Syria where it is now called Commishli, and others to Aleppo.
I was not born and raised there as Syrian. My

(04:11):
ethnicity is Armenian in an Orthodox Christian family, and I
studied in Syria, so my mother tongue is Arabic and Armenian.
And after high school, I also continued my bachelor degree
in international relations and diplomacy in the suburbs of Damascos.
My instructors of the professors were multinational. Some of them

(04:33):
were Americans, others were German, so I started learning English thankfully,
let's say, at early age. When I started my bachelor studies. Then,
because I was my GPA was Hi, my university sent
me to Paris. I studied European Affairs for one year
in order to learn about more the European Union. And

(04:55):
finally I started my political science master degree and specialized
in Middle East politics. And my research thesis was basically
about the Civil War the anatomy of the Civil War
in order to try to come to an academic conclusion.
Basically whether what happened in Cyvia was a democratic revolution

(05:15):
or another characterization. And my conclusion was it was a
regressive uprising and the militant insurgency against a political autovitarianism
with the goal of establishing aggressive Islamist type of theocratical

(05:35):
regime in Damasco, something that my supervisor rejected.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
That's why I didn't get my certificate up until this moment.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
But I'm a very stubborn person when it comes to
my nation the least to say, because I believed that
when you participate in with your research and publish an
academic paper that goes against your own convictions, I believe
that my input would have been countra productive, let's say,

(06:09):
for the history of my country. So I rejected to
change my dissertation. I rejected to change my research, and
I stayed on my conclusion, which I have argued for
over fourteen years. And I believe the outcome of the
Seven War is quite clear now objectively for the people
to see whether a kiddo back then twenty four years
old was correct or the supervisor with lots of PhDs

(06:32):
and doctor Redigley, what's correct in twenty fifteen, Actually, my city,
Aleppo half the city of Aleppo was occupied by al
Qaeda off shoot Almosa, which was led by Jolani. My
brother was kidnapped by a group affiliated to the Jolani group,
and this group was directly funded by the CIA, and

(06:57):
we were able to free him and pay a big
ransom to unfortunately terrorists in order to free my brother.
And after that we came to the conclusion that it
is not possible for us to continue living in a
city where half the city is occupied by al Qaida
and we as Christians there would be under imminent threat.

(07:17):
So I fled to Germany. I was a refugee in
Germany for a few years, but I learned the language quickly.
I integrated into the society and started working, and in
twenty seventeen I started my YouTube channel with the aim
of trying to tell the people the all the side
of the story. I don't claim at all that I

(07:38):
own the tools or the entire picture. What I try
to encourage the people that you have the mainstream press,
and you have lots of nowadays YouTube channels, podcasts, you
can watch everything. What I'm trying to do is show
you a different perspective of what happened. In Cybia and
what is still ongoing in the country, and you can
make up your mind at the end of the day,
watch everything if you have time, because this is also

(08:01):
very difficult for dinner with people nowadays to really dedicate.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Some time to watch.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
You live in the US, and you know, people are
very busy with their daily lives nine to five and
then coming back home it's something sit with a little
bit with the children. They don't have much time to
educate themselves about what's going on there. So I truly
hope there would be more people who realize and notice
that unfortunately this system has created some sort of passiveness

(08:29):
among the people because these policies are killing people around
the world. That's what I try to encourage the people
to be more let's say, engaging in politics.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
That's brilliant and I mean and what's interesting is that
with the explosion of I guess, YouTube and other social
media platforms acts all that, you know, these opportunities for
people such as yourself, really the people who understand the
ground truth, right. That was always the thing is, you know,

(09:00):
you learn something and then I would go overseas and
I'd be on the ground and it was completely different
than anything I had ever been able to consume via
the mainstream media or whatever limited research that they I
got through, you know, our intel networks. But it's the
ground truth that always tells the truth, right, all right,

(09:22):
So if you could, would you just describe the framework
of the Syrian War, its inception, really the dynamics of
of what led to the massive influence from the Central
Intelligence Agency that first chunk, if you could.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Actually, Syria has been very central in the policy of
the US indivision because there was a perception that you
cannot make war in division without Egypt and you cannot
make peace indivision without Syria. So those are two countries
surrounding basically Israel, who had very capable armies, national armies.

(10:07):
Egypt still has its national armies. Syria it was another
one which had to be weakened at least or persuaded
to join a more pro American camp in the region. Now,
in the Middle East, as your respected audience probably know,
the vast majority of the countries are autocratic countries. Some
of them are republics and others are monarchs. Democratic culture

(10:30):
is in my opinion, it exists in some communities, but
in the majority of the communities. The relationship between the
people is mostly based on their understanding and the following
of religion, and if you are very much into let's say,
a vertical relationship between yourself and God, this also reflects

(10:52):
on the society, and the society reflects on the political class,
because the political class comes from the society, it doesn't
come from space. And therefore I have argued for some
time that if we create a vacuum, if you create
chaos in Syria, this will definitely not lead into democratic transition. Now,
of course, the planners in the US, they have argued

(11:15):
in front of the people that we are there to
bring democracy, human rights, et cetera. And I knew from
the beginning those are all bollocks. I mean, I'm old
enough to remember Libya and also Iraq. I think the
major scene of the former Syrian government in the eyes
of the US planners was its insistence on a foreign

(11:37):
policy that keeps Syria geopolitical partner and strategic partner of
iran strategic partner of Russia. And this partnership, reflected on,
has created the policy that challenged the absolute dominance of
the US over a very vital and important region. Some

(11:59):
of which because of the trade routes, others because of
the energy infrastructure in this region, but also the security
of Israel.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
Now, Syria was a country.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Which adopted the policy that says, we are not going
to recognize the political entity of Israel. We're not going
to accept the legitimacy of Israel that was built on
the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians after the Nact by
nineteen forty eight. But Syria at the same time engaged
in indirect talks with Israel over the Golan Heights. At

(12:33):
the end of the day, Syria always said, if you
give me back the Golan Heights and allow the Palestinians
who are refugees from the nineteen forty to go back
to their homes, we could reconsider this position. I think
because of the two thousand and three invasion of Iraq and
General Wesley Clark and others mentioned seven countries in five years,

(12:54):
there was a state of paranoia in Damascos that they
are going to be next on the list on the
hit list of the damas course of the United States. Therefore,
Syrian policy makers, especially but Shavel Assad, has moved from
a direction that was progressive in the eyes of the
United States, Hillary Clinton calling him a democratic reformer, John

(13:15):
Kervy visiting him, Tony Blair is hanging around with him
in Damascus. Into all of a sudden the evil that
we have to remove because this paranoia created a situation
for Asad that once Saddam was ousted, then the Secretive
State of the US back then Colin Powell comes to
Damascus and says, look, Havyb has Adami's gun, and now

(13:39):
we have a list of demands. You either follow these
demands or your next and those demands had like we have,
this list is public right, it's reported everywhere. There is
no there is no mention for democracy, for the improving
the human rights conditions in the country. What they really
asked for is Syria has to cut its strategic relationship

(14:01):
with Iran, it has to kick out the Palestinian factions,
it has to seal the borders with Libanon, not to
support Hesbola. And also, very interestingly, they asked the Syrian
back then government not to receive any of Iraq's scientific
and intellectual elites in Syria. So Basha did exactly the

(14:24):
opposite of these demands. Everything they asked for. He just
doubled down and then like in two thousand and six,
when Israel and Hezbola war happened in July two thousand
and six, for the first time Syria has given a
type of weapons to Hesbola that they were footage of

(14:45):
Israeli mirkava's basically being destroyed in plain sight in southern Libanon.
This was a little bit humiliating for the Israeli let's
say superiority in the region and also its military manufacturings.
I think this was the redline that assad has caused
by giving the type of weapons to non state actors

(15:05):
in the region to oppose the Israeli let's say war
or expansion inside Lebani's territory, including sending cornet rockets to Heswola,
to Hamas and other parties. I think this was the
main reason they wanted to oust him from his position,

(15:25):
and the evidence of it is that once the a
Gym change happened, Joelani didn't come and organized elections or
said we're going to improve the human rights situation.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
That what he said.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Basically, he made statements after statements through his foreign minister
and himself that we will not pose a threat on
Israel we will not attack Israel. In the contrary, we
will accept the presence of Israel and also we will
normalize ties with it. Therefore, he went to the US,
he met with the President Donald Trump, and he said, basically,

(15:58):
we want to become geopolitical hardness with the United States.
This is a stark shift in Syria's geopolitical posture, right,
I'd say so. The thing is now Syria has moved
from a political autobitarianism under which people were not allowed
to challenge the political system in a serious manner. So

(16:18):
if you don't speak about politics, you're free. You can
practice your religion, you can practice your rituals, you can
do any business you want in the country into political
and theocratic autoviitarianism. Basically, in the country that under this system,
even if you oppose Assad, and you have an opposition
figure and you supported the uprising against Assad, that doesn't

(16:43):
spare you from being targeted by the Jolani regim if
you were born in the wrong religion or sect. And
we have seen this in Esueda where the Jolani terror
army basically went from house to house executing people. They're
asking the people at gunpoint, asking them, are you a
Muslim or are you not a Muslim? And they're hunting

(17:03):
them like rabbits in front of their houses. So this
is the state of the fairs in the country, but
it is accepted and normalized because Jolannie says that we
don't want to challenge the us of is rally dominance, individuent.
That's the only reason, in my opinion, that they have
brought Jolani into power. And probably some people say that

(17:27):
this is the formula that they wanted to bring into
Syria because Jolani believes in attack they ideology and then
everyone in the country, those who belonged to the ethnic
and religious minorities, they will find themselves alienated, so they
will go into their cantons, which means Syria as a

(17:47):
nation state under which I as an Armenian, others are.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Drus Shia, Sunni, et cetera. We were all Syrians.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Now under Jolani, people are Sunni, Shiah, Armenian, Christian. It's
such a nobody identifies himself or herself as a city.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
And here, yeah, all right, that's that's a brilliant assessment.
I you know, one of the things that I think
I was always perplexed with too is the witnessing of
the first part of the GWATT and all of our
world leaders, you know, basically saying, hey, are you with us?
Are you going to help us and execute and prosecute

(18:26):
this thing?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
You know? And obviously he chose not to.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
And so can you describe when you believe the covert
war began, where the funding, how it took place, who
were we funding what groups? And then really the role
they played in Jilani's rise to power.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Actually in twenty eleven, when let's say the protests started
against I was one of the people enthusiastic about these demonstrations.
I wanted for Sevia to become more liberalized in terms
of its political system. And I am a person who
I believe when I live in a democratic country, I
will respect the democratic system and the constitution of this

(19:13):
country and will live under a democratic rule without any problems.
But when I saw the demonstrators calling for non democratic transition.
For example, you occupy a police station and you go
on the minaret or on the balcony of the police station,
what's the first thing. It's if it's a democratic revolution,

(19:34):
the first thing you should ask for the valise of
the political prisoners. You want plurality in the parliament, you
want the abolishment of the one party rule for example.
But then people, I'm sorry, I also have a long beard,
but I distinguish between hipster beard.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
And the sala vivit. The salafiver doesn't have.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
The mustache, right, And then people with long beards without
the mustache going on the balcony and saying our first
demand is we want to cancel the mixed gender schools
in Syria. It's like moment I thought, this is about
democratic transition. Why would we protest against the mixed gender schools.

(20:14):
I went to a mixed gender school. I mean, that's
what's completely fine for me. And the second demand is
we want for the women wearing burka to be able
to teach in schools. And now in Syria under secular regime.
In the past, burga is allowed. People can whoever worka
wherever they want, in public or in private.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
It's not a problem. Only in teaching field.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
They have come to the conclusion that the child has
to see the face of the teacher for his social
interaction and social intelligence to grow. That was the only
place where the women wearing burka were not allowed, so
they wanted to abolish that, they wanted for the women.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
Wearing burka to come back.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
So I started noticing patterns that are undermocratic people go
to the street and say Christians to Bewoot and the
Otherwis to the coffins. I mean, those have nothing to
do with democracy. I myself Christian. What do you want
from me? Shall I go to Bewood because you believe
that Libano should be Christian and Civia should be all Islamic. No,

(21:17):
but still I supported the political opposition until this was
in August June twenty and eleven when a massacre of
Sivin officers happened. One hundred and twenty Civian soldiers were
massacred by the so called rebels, and you start asking
yourself the question watching this footage, where do these people

(21:38):
get all these weapons from? I mean, in order to
ambush a military convoy, you cannot just be playing PlayStation
and then go to the street and carry out You
know this better than myself, right, So these people should
have received a little bit of training at least and
some weapons in order to carry out a very organized
and successful ambush which could kill tens of Savin Sol

(22:01):
and I started remembering what happened in the eighties with
the Muslim Bothered uprising, started to draw some parallels. But
during this time, Operation Timber Sicama was not known to anyone.
It was yeah, in twenty twelve, this has accelerated, especially
when the US Defense Intelligence Agency, the DIA, they made

(22:21):
a report about Syria send it to Barack Obama telling
him basically that the driving force behind the insurgency against
Assad are Al Qaeda in Iraq, Salafes, Jihadis, and the
Muslim bothered and knowing that, Obama put his signature of
an Operation Timber Sycamore. Because the people willing to fight
against Assad, who's going to fight against Asad? The secularylists

(22:42):
the liberals. Those people do not want to get killed
against a strong army. Those who want to get killed
are the people who belong into certain ideology, and that
is I want to become a martyre, I want to
go to Jena or to Paradise. And those were the
ones who believed in this tachiby Islamist ideology. That's why,

(23:02):
in my opinion, even if for an argument's sake, if
I even if I want to be very let's say you.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
Know, maybe maybe Obama didn't have a choice.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
You know, even if if that is the case, I
still cannot really forgive the fact that these type of
people were empowered so much that they destroyed a nation
and the reputation of the people. Like I am now
a Syrian, right, I live in Germany. What do you
think is my reputation now? If you if you if

(23:34):
you pick hundred Germans, now I can assure you ninety
of them have bad impressions about Syrians, right, And the
reason for it is because Syria was not radicalized society.
But when you dump so much weapons into a society
and then you task your regional allies or the Arabian

(23:55):
Qatar to radicalize the Syrian people religious speech and sectarian hatred,
like you turn on your al Jazeva. And this is
something that many people do not know because they don't
watch and understand Arabic. But if you turn on your
Arabic al Jazeva, they were calling for a holy war
against Albsivia, They're calling for jihad against Sylvia. And then

(24:17):
you turn on your al Jazeva English. Because the targeted
audience is different. They're like everybody deserves democracy except for Qatar,
and then you turn on your Algazeva Plus, which is
this social media platform. They're like talking about pandas and
LGBTQ community, which tells you something that this channel has
a political agenda. And when I watch and when I

(24:39):
turn on Aljazeva Arabic, and then there is the biggest
and most influential Islamic scholar in the Islamic world who
is now dead. He goes on Al Jazeva and says,
I give a fatwa and I allow the seven rebels
to kill every civilian and every soldier who works for Assault.

(25:03):
And this means in the Syrian public sector was so
big because it was a socialist country, like fifty percent
of the people used to work in the public sector.
This means everyone who works for the Assad government, if
you work in the Syrian airlines, you're considered part of
the Syvan regime. They have killed thousands and thousands of
people just ordained the people based on such fatwas. So

(25:25):
the blame is lies on these countries which radicalize the
Syrian people through hatred and also psychological operations like crimes
happen in Syria and for example chemical attacks. Right and
I have discussed this in length on my channel investigations
and try to find loopholes in these official narratives. So

(25:49):
they blame assault for every single thing in Syria. And
that's assured. These channels are so powerful that they have
created the public opinion and that is assad is or
was the Hitler of the twenty first century, and everything
is permissible against him. Assad was no saint, No politician

(26:10):
is saint. But that's true. Yeah, but portraying him in
a way that you allow the killing of six hundred
thousand people, this is not some flies, you know. Those
are people who were killed in a discourse of a
war for the interests of people that who do not
care about the Syrian people. This is what I tried

(26:31):
to tell many Syrian people. Unfortunately, you know about Operation
Timber Scamer. If you tell any Syrian now about Operation
Timber Siicamer, I can assure you the vast majority of
the Symans have never even heard about this operation and
they don't know. It was over in twenty seventeen by
Trump and then they moved into the economic warfare and

(26:52):
that was the Scissor Act, which Trump implemented.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
And I believe.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
Not for this sanction, those harsh sanctions on Syria in
twenty seventeen, Asad would have survived what they did basically
in twenty seventeen because Assad invited his allies Iran, Larasha
and Hesbola and they managed to eradicate the vast majority
of this radical tach vivies and they have pushed them

(27:20):
all into one spot called it Left, the City of
It Left. But in twenty seventeen, when Trump said, this
covert operation costs US one billion dollars per year, and
who are we supporting this radical jihades No, we have
to stop this operation. And we have more meaningful ways
to do that, and that is economic warfare. And since then,

(27:41):
if the Syrian let's say, if I had to buy something,
for example, this this microphone, let's say, used to cost
one dollar, right or one Syrian pound, after the sanctions,
it costed eight hundred pounds. And Syria does and on
its oil oil fields because the usports are station there

(28:04):
sanctions imposed and Syria and any other third country company
which dares to deal with Syria, which means everybody is
STEREVII fight. Nobody wants to deal with with Syria, including
the allied countries, because Russia has bigger interests with the
United States than with Syria. Ivan also doesn't want to
put itself on the more harsh sanctions, so Sylvia was

(28:26):
abandoned basically, and the impoverishment which hit Syria after these
sanctions was that ninety five percent of the Sylan people
went broke.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
They were below the poverty line.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
And if you're poor, do you really care if your
political system is Assad or if it's Jolani. What you
really care is you need bread, you need milk for
your children. So they have demoralized the Syrian people after
these economic sanctions that they no longer have the appetite
to continue fighting for their own nations. So that's why

(28:56):
in twenty twenty four of the re Gym change was successful.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
All right, thank you for that. That was brilliant.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Let me ask you this, all right, so you talked
about US troops being around and securing or oil fields.
Can you walk us through how those were identified, how
that process took place, and then how long and how
what kind of size force are we looking at that

(29:23):
are American forces that are around and protecting those spots.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
So basically, as had lost control over these oil fields
on the Eastern short after Euphrates for a long time,
since twenty thirteen twenty fourteen. And the power which first
occupied these oil fields.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Was Jolani's people, who is now in power.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
But then when ISOs grew, ISOs occupied all these areas
and coincidentally ISOs moved. Of course I'm being sarcastic. ISOs
moved from an organization into an Islamic state tanks to
its revenues that they made from these oil fields.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Right.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
And when you see the satellite images that the Russians
published first when they intervened in Syria in September twenty fifteen,
you see hundreds of oil tankers basically just walking and
going to Turkey, and they're selling their oil to Turkey.
And the son of Erdogan bilal back then used to
have a say over this file, and they're giving them

(30:27):
cash dollars. So all of a sudden, I expands, They
get all the Toyota tracks, and they get the weapons,
and they expand and they take over these oil fields.
But then when the Russians intervened, and so the intervention
of the vasions was so crucial that the Americans had
also to intervene, otherwise they would have lost leverage over
the country completely to the vasions. So they managed through

(30:50):
the Kurdish forces is the FYPG, to move from the
north into the east of Syria and take over these
oil fields. So the contact line between the Assad government,
the Russians and its allies was the Euphrates River on
the eastern shore of the Americans, on the western shore
of the Syrians, Venians and the Russians. And here they

(31:11):
have drawn the contact line. This is the rules of engagement.
You don't close, we don't close. But eventually Sivins lost
fifty percent of the oil revenues because now these oil
revenues are in the hands of SDF and also the
Americans because they are selling it also to the kurdest
town of Iraq, and the oil that Syria had in

(31:32):
in the other fifty percent, they're unable to export it
because they're under sanctions. And when any of these refineries
were let's say there is a damage you need to repair, okay,
you need spare parts, and you cannot even import spare
parts because of the sanctions. So what has happened during

(31:52):
this time the Russians and the Venians, they started sending
fuel to Syria some of them were hijacked in.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
The Mediterranean by the Americans. They didn't let them.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Arrive to Syvia, so basically they choked the country from
all sides. And I was in Sybia in July twenty
twenty four, so a few months before Asad fell. And
when you walk in the streets and you see the
depression and the misery in the eyes of the people
after all these years of war, and then you have
all this huge super hyperinflation, you don't really expect these

(32:29):
people to be resilient any longer. They were really demoralized
to the extent that they don't care who is in
charge and who is in power. I think it was
very successful covert operation in Sybia, which they could copy
later in other places. Unfortunately that we lost a lot,

(32:52):
you know, like this is something that I have to
stress to your expected audience, that we had homes, we
had businessnesses, we had hopes, we had future to think
about in our country. Now it's all gone. Even if
I want to go back to Syria, first I cannot
myself because Jolanni is in power. But even if I
was unknown person, I cannot really find myself belonging to

(33:16):
such a country. Any longer whose main ideology and the
governing system is basically people who were either part of
ISIS or part of al Qaida. And now they pretend
and Mascuarade has reformed rebels in the country. But they
cannot fool us because we as our millions paid one

(33:38):
and a half million people of our people in the
past by people with similar mentality. They cannot fool us
by saying we are reformed. What I believe is they
are in strategic exhaustion. They have fought a lot for
a long time, for fourteen years, just like others, and
they're not in a position now to continue fighting and
be let's say, confrontation inside the country and outside the country.

(34:03):
But once Turkey consolidates its power in in in Syria,
I think that would be the next stage in a
new multi layered war that is expected in the Middle East.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
That's brilliant. I think you're spot on with that. I
think you're gonna see a union between a network of
countries that we haven't traditionally seen because they're all I
think gaining a lot more economic influence on these countries
that have been you know, ravaged by.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
War for so long as civil war. All right, you posted.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
On your ex account a recent story published by The
New York Times that essentially compares Jilani to Mandela, which
I thought was interesting to say the least.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Can you give us.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
A little bit of background on who this this rising
political star is, and I mean, I'm the most disgusting
thing to me as a g Watt veteran who you
know my friends have most likely in fact, one of
my close friends, Scotti Wurtz, was blown up in Syria
along with Joe Kent's wife back in the day when

(35:21):
they were supposed to be out but Trump's first DoD
group basically blew off his orders and left people in
in country. Can you explain to me who Jilani is
in what you believe based on the words he said,
the speeches he's given, what his intentions are with this

(35:44):
with the country of Syria.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Actually, this was in two thousand and three when the
Iraq War happened and Jolani decided to go from Syria
to Iraq to wager war against the Americans. Now, when
he was there, he joined the Al Qaeda in Iraq,
the AQI, and he was he vote allegiance to AMOZOWAHIV.

(36:09):
Basically his expertise was in carbombs, right, and this guy
is responsible for sending carbombs mostly into Shia neighborhoods to
start the civil war in the country. Because these tech
filies hate Chias way more than Americans. They hate Shias
and Allowhites and Drus because they believe in Eventaimier's ideology.

(36:32):
Evamier was eight hundred years ago. They called him a
revolutionary Islamic scholar who basically said, we as a Muslim, uma,
we should first purify our domestic home, and our domestic
home should be purified from the newer and more progressive
interpretations of Islam. And those are the Drus, those are

(36:56):
the Allowais, those are the Shias.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
So they first woke was on these minorities. Now Jolani.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
When he was there, he was captured and he was
put in different prisons. One of them is the Buka camp.
And this is a question I wanted to ask.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
You as well.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
If you believe that, is it theoretically possible that this
guy was recruited in Albuka camp or does the CIA
have such a precedence of recruiting people or making them
agents for the CIA? Why I'm asking you this because
the timing makes no sense to me. So he was

(37:31):
imprisoned in two thousand and five and then released alongside
Baghdadi in March twenty eleven, which is the first month
of the operation Timberskamer And then Jolani goes to Syria
and forms Al Qaeda in Syria called Japeto Nusva or
Al Nusla Fan. And I don't believe that somebody leaves Iraq,

(37:53):
goes to Syria and all of a sudden he has
the financial power, he has the structural organization to form
a strong army like Al Qaeda without foreign backing. There
has to be some secret services involved in this. If
it's not American, it's something else. But definitely this guy
when he moved from Iraq to Syria, he was already

(38:13):
ready to lead an organization that was non existent in Syria.
When he went there, he started from scratch and he
made the big fighting army with multi national terrorists from
all around the world. So he moves to Syria, he
starts this organization Japeto Nuzuab, but nobody stracked Jolani. That's

(38:34):
also big question mark, Like we all have, how many
armies in Syria, the Seven Army, Iranians, Hezbola, Russia, Americans,
or the US led coalition.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
And none of them Israeli.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Israeli has targeted Jolani in the past fourteen years. There
were so many leaders of other organizations were either killed
or ambushed or during the in fighting they died. But
this guy was never, never attacked in the past fourteen years,
as if he was prepared and groomed. And it makes
sense because he started to move from this being an

(39:14):
emir of al Qaeda into let's reform ourselves and break
our relationship with al Qaeda during the same time when
Operation timber Scuma was over twenty seventeen. So twenty seventeen,
Operation timber Secumar is canceled by Trump and then this
guy comes and makes a statement says, oh, we will
cut our ties with al Qaeda now. We thank them.

(39:34):
They're great people. We love you guys. You were great
with us, you had us. But we have to make
a more a comprehensive coalition, and our jihad is only
going to be now domestic. We no longer want to
do international jihad. And during this time between twenty seventeen
to twenty twenty four. This guy has been prepared for

(39:55):
this role. I mean, I'm not saying this. I will
give you an example. The former US Envoy to Syria,
James Jeffrey on PBS. He says, I'm courting him. He
says Jolani's army has been a strategic asset for the
US strategy in idleb And then the former US Ambassador

(40:18):
to Syria, Robert Ford, who was in Damascus when the
war started in twenty eleven, says, I myself trained this guy,
like we were sitting together and I we was teaching
him how to take him out of the terrorist word.
I mean, I don't know likes Shall I bring a
contract showing that Jolanni is working for outside forces? It

(40:39):
looks clear to me that this guy was prepared and
groomed for a certain role. And what is this role
when the regime change happens in Syria is to shift
the Syria's geopolitical posture from a country which was in
a camp that the United States doesn't like, into camp

(41:01):
that is allied with the United States. And now we
see that Jolanni is I mean, I haven't seen Trump
putting perfume and any other leader except for Jolannie. This guy,
this guy is seriously something you know. And for example,
yesterday Donald Trump was doing the Hanukah or this was

(41:23):
I don't know, two days ago doing the Hanukah. Even
he bragged about giving the Golan Heights to Israel and
this is siven occupied territory. And it's been two days
for this statement, and the Jiolani, the Jim didn't outer
a worried about it.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
What does that tell you?

Speaker 4 (41:39):
It tells you that if you work for the US,
you don't bark at the US right, like at least
a diplomatic statement by the Foreign Ministry saying no, this
is a servian territory. Those are the resolutions of the
UNS Curity Council. But he doesn't do that because his legitimacy,
so called legitimacy, is based on these consensus which happened
before I was thinking. As all of a sudden things

(42:01):
changed in the region. The Turks made their first move
against Assad. This was in the north, and the Israeli
Is also weighed in. They took the opportunity very well.
And the Americans, Donald Trump had to accept the outcome
of this conflict because it happened during the transitional time
when Biden was leaving and he was coming to power.

(42:22):
And then these regional powers saw the Arabia, Qatar, Turkey.
They had their guy Tom Barak, who is the special
envoy in out of Syria. Tom Barak is not representing
the American interests for your audience, for your expected audience.
So this guy has interests with billions of dollars in
these Gulf countries name it Qatars or the Arabia, UAE

(42:45):
and Turkey, and he is basically pursuing the policies that
these countries want to pursue in Syria. Now Israel, of
course they were happy ASA is leaving and they destroyed
the Syrian army complet delately, the strategic stock by this gun.
But Israel Sea is an opportunity in Syria. If you

(43:06):
are Nataiaho and you don't have a Cyvian army to
challenge you, what do I mean nothing stops you from
rolling into Syria. If Nataniaho wants now in forty eight
hours less he can occupy Damascus, So why would he stop?
If you if you are Nataniaho and you believe in

(43:28):
the Greater Israel project, why would you strike a deal
with Jolani now called the Security Agreement and stop your expansion.
Every day Israeli forces established new military posts inside Syria
and expand and expand and expand. Damascus is now in
the in the fire range of the howitzers, so Damasco's

(43:51):
militarily speaking, has fallen already. And and the Israelis are
trying to establish their posts in very sensitive where there
are water resources, where it's a high heel, et cetera.
And Jolanni doesn't have the means to resist against against
Israel because Israeli is different. Israeli army is so capable

(44:12):
that they would destroy the hell out of him if
he tries to move. But I would like to just
for an for the sake of argument. You know, in
the past ten years and fourteen years, these Jolani forces,
they have been firing these American town missiles against the
civil army tanks, the T seventy two, the T ninety one,

(44:34):
They have destroyed countless of them. Just one. I need
you for just one time fire against an Israeli time,
not even once we fired against and.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Is rarely tank. It's it's it's mind boggling, to be
honest with you.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
I don't. I mean, I don't think it's mind boggling.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
I mean, you can go back to the first war
in Afghanistan, right.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
You can go back to the Islamic Revolution.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
I mean we were we thought that uh what uh
Komane was gonna work with us because we had a
relationship with him in the past, and that didn't work out.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
We we worked with bin Laden and the senior leadership
of the Mouhazadeen in the war against Russia. Right, I
know personally several Green Berets that that trained uh, you know,
Muhazadeen fighters in Pakistan how to fire missiles into the
spets snots helicopters that were doing the raids.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
I think you know we had we saw a multiple
you know. I mean you can argue krz Eye was
propped up. You can argue the first few prime ministers
of Iraq were just puppets, you can. You know, And
and you asked the question, can we, you know, turn
an enemy into an asset?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
We do it all day, every day all around the world.
I think that that's so, it's such a given.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
And I also think, you know the confluence of the
Arab spring being funded mostly by us AID and all
of their NGOs and media networks around, you know, as
a distraction away and as well as you know what
happened in Libya, which was this illegal arm sale that
took place, and then those weapons were then flipped to

(46:22):
who Jelani and his crew going into Syria, right, and
so I you know, no, I mean, this is kind
of our foreign policy for the last thirty years.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Yes, but it won't work in Syria.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
It won't work with the Jolani people because absolutely not.
Even let's suppose Jolanni is an asset and he's collaborating
with doun ass But the people who fought for him.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
They believed, they believed in the cause.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Nobody wants to fight fourteen years just for money. There
are mesonerbes, but there are people who were committed and dedicated.
They were daily in guarding, fighting, dying. And now that
you come to Damascos and say, oh, we're done here,
we're not marching to Jerusalem, although it's like just a

(47:11):
few months before the attack or concurring Syria, he said
after Damascos, we were going in Charlota to Jerusalem. So
the people who fought for him, asking, I mean it
makes for them, at least the transition has to be slower.
It's so blatant and so fast that all of a sudden,
our leader, which we said America is the greater Satan,
and now he's wearing a Trump perfume. It makes no

(47:34):
sense for them. That's why I argued, and I said,
there are people in the Jiolani army they are unhappy
with him, and these people could have been possibly involved
in the killing of two American soldiers in Central Cyre
and Palmida alongside the translator. And this is something you
notice when you follow the pro Jolani media outfits and

(47:55):
the amount of confusion and they're embarrassed by the incident
itself and how are they going to cover up the.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
Attack? And you see the spokesperson.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Of Ministries of Jolani basically making conflicting reports, contradicting reports
and makes no sense, and then tried to blame it
on someone who was in the Jolani security forces, but
not the guy who did it. Because if they say
this is the guy, they tell the truth, then this
guy is literally sitting behind Jolani. And we have now

(48:28):
overwhelming evidence in Syria that the guy who carried out
the attack was close associated to Jolani. He was sitting
behind him and when the attack happened, they tried to
cover up his identity. They didn't want to tell the
people who carried out the attack. And if you know
the region, this region in Palmyra, yes it is desert,

(48:50):
but this compound is so fortified. It is so protected
that no loan ices cell could come and crawl like
this all the way from their isis pockets in the
desert and come by himself, unseen, undetected and comes so
close to the years soldiers to open fire on them.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
It makes no sense.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
This person was present there when the attack happened, and
then they tried to cover up and say, oh this
was someone he So the spokesperson of the Jolani Interior
Ministry says that they have noticed some radical views on
the guy that they want to blame. And he said
we wanted we were going to fire him from the

(49:34):
security forces on Sunday. But he says supan allah, which
means like God's will, he carried out attack on Saturday.
I mean, this is the sorry. But they are mocking us,
you know, they think we're idiots. This is not a
story you could sell maybe to the people who believe
in Jolanni, but not for serious people who following such

(49:54):
security cases.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
It's staggering.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
It's absolutely staggering, and it and obviously there's a much
greater uh plan.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Uh he's a puppet.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
They believe, like they always do, that these uh you know,
low level guys that they they influence or support or
bring up through the ranks, that there's gonna be this
allegiance and which is is absolutely uh you know, Asinine,
all you got to do is look at bin Laden
as the premiere example of that whole thing, right, He essentially,

(50:30):
you know, he used us to fight the Russians and
then he flipped and he's like, now I'm gonna fight
you guys because you're any you know, the letter he
wrote lays it all out.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
It's the reality.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
It's and it's and it's what's staggering to me is
and the reason the kind of the catalyst moment for
me where I began to understand the absurdity.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
All of all this was when uh.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Uh petray Us interviewed Jilani and was like, you know,
how's your mental health? And I'm here as a GWAT
guy who this guy's bombs most certainly blew up teammates
or friends of mine in Iraq. And I'm watching a

(51:18):
guy I actually he was the head of the CIA
when I was at the CIA. We actually he came
for a visit when I was in Islamabad in Pakistan
at twenty eleven. And here's a guy that's supposed to
have the backs of all those that suffered from this
radical contingency of Islam, and now we're supporting him. We've

(51:41):
opened up restrictions, We're going to give him financing, We're
going to help him rehabilitate, probably give him weapons and
all for what what is the deal? And so I
think you know what people need to understand is there's
a restructuring of the Middle Eastern hierarchy taking place right now.

(52:04):
And it's it's you know what I always what, I
always pay attention. I pay attention to Aragon. I think
for sure he's he's playing an active role in this.
And then I try and pay attention to uh Egypt
and Jordan. Could you give your assessment of those three

(52:28):
countries and their leaders and how they're reacting to Gilani
and serious Rise.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
I had to mention also Petrius when I mentioned Jims
Schiffey and Robert Ford when they spoke about Joelannia as
being an asset for the strategy.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
Because this is so telling.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
When Petroyus said literally, your success is our success.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
I mean, like, what what does that even tell you
you know about this issue?

Speaker 4 (52:58):
I think Turkey is the most influential and the power
which gained the most from this regime change. And ha
can't be done with the current Foreign Minister of Turkey.
He was the head of the Turkish intelligence and he
was basically the sugar daddy of Jolani, was the guy
who was preparing and arming and training and guiding an

(53:20):
intel for the Jolani Army from Idelet to Aleppo. This
was a pure Turkish operation at the beginning when it
happened in Aleppo. So Turkey has invested a lot, and
Turkey under Erdogun they believe that they are the successor
of the Ottoman Empire, and they believe that they have
to establish a kind of a commonwealth system which absorbs

(53:42):
other regions in the Islamic world into Turkey, and one
of which is Aleppo and the second is Mussul in Iraq.
For example, nowadays in Aleppo. If you travel to Aleppo
and I have people traveling and coming back to Aleppo,
the airport of Aleppo is managed by the Turks. The
security of ali Po is managed by the Turks. The
borders with Turkey are managed by the Turks. The passport,

(54:05):
if you want to issue passport, an ID, driving license,
they are all printed in Turkey. So Turkey has now
complete data of millions of Syrians because they're going to
need their national idea because now we have a new regime,
they're driving license their passport. So Turkey is basically preparing
the demographics and the data of the demographics to absorb

(54:26):
some part of them into the Turkish Empire. Now, during
this time, the most the country which is alarmed the
most are two Israel and Egypt. Israel wants to see
Jolani in certain regions to keep these jihadis under control,
but not over the regions like Sweda, like in Latakia,
tatoos Jeble or in the Eastern Shova, the Euphrates. Israel

(54:49):
prefers the Balkanization of Syria or at least give some
autonomous status of this. So they have established the conflicting zone,
and that is the Central Syria and the Russians are
playing some sort of role in keeping these two powers,
like a buffer zone between these two powers. But if
there is a country which has to be terrified by

(55:09):
what is happening in Syria, is Egypt.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Egypt should be terrified.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Egypt is probably the last republic in its classical sense
in the region with a strong national army, and I
believe that if the plan is to Islamize the region
or bring upon a new Cycuspico type of reordering the
maps of the region, then Egypt will be definitely targeted

(55:36):
because it is their last country with the capable national
army which is able to secure its borders. Egypt doesn't
want conflict with Israel, doesn't want conflict with anyone in
the region. But what they care about is to be
able to keep their country in the hands of the
military and not in the hands of the Muslim body

(55:57):
like it happened under Musi the past. And if Jolanni
is successful and this formula is successful, this will encourage
a lot of the.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
Oppositionists in Egypt to rise against CC.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
And unfortunately this type of autocrats, like CC, the political autocrabrats,
are so outdated, so out of touch with reality, that
they allow for the outside forces to wage these psychological
operations against the people successfully, and then they act.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
Surprised like Egypt is broke.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
They receiving four and aid under depth from the IMF,
the World Bank and everything. The inflation is high, people
are job less, so of course there are certain sentiments
against the political system there, so they will capitalize on
it and try to destabilize it. Therefore, turn on your
Egyptian TV channels. Twenty four to seven news outlets are
talking shit about Jolanni. Unlike all other Arab countries, only

(56:54):
Egypt is so alarmed and still calling him Jolanni. They're
attacking him day and night and say that this guy
is a terrorist. We have to be careful. He's encouraging
the Muslim bother, et cetera. So it seems that the
intel services in Egypt are aware, But are they capable
of aborting such a scenario in their own country. I
hope so, I mean just as a person, but I

(57:18):
think it's too rotten to the core these type of
systems that foreign powers are able to destabilize these countries
from within, especially when the economic situation goes like out
of the cliff. You know, the people are just need
some opportunities for personal hope. You know, people lost hope

(57:41):
in the region. That's the problem. Now in Syria. They
will invest a lot, they will bring billions of dollars,
foreign investors, et cetera. But this is not going to
bring prosperity for the people. This will be cycled the
money into the packets of the investors, something that civils
do not know that these cooperations will in themselves. They
will give you enough to survive, but the most of

(58:03):
the money will not be in their hands. Like the
WF said, you will own nothing. And I think in
this case, you will not own your country and you
will be happy. This is what the Stevans are celebrating for.
So when I see them celebrating, I'm like, they're celebrating
they're own de mice, but they don't know it yet.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I agree. I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
I I just think you can't have somebody that's this
integrated into that ideology just you know, give it up
and move into this you know, political process or gamesmanship.
You can't because how's he supposed to keep his base,
which are essentially Islamists, right, how you're supposed to keep

(58:43):
them in check, under control. You know, is it going
out in Pilfer and you know the smaller border cities
or towns in Iraq? Is it, you know, messing with
the Kurds, you know, whatever they have to continue doing.
I think it's it's it's inevitably it's going to get
out of his control. One last question before we end,

(59:04):
is you know President Trump classified certain groups of the
Muslim Brotherhood as terrorists, as terrorist organizations.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Did you find that in your opinion? What kind of
play was that?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
What was he trying to do both the Egypt and
then also their influence in the region.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Personally, I don't know a lot about the details of
the decision and why, but I could share my opinion
about the Muslim Brotherhood itself. I have done extensive research
about the Muslim Brotherhood from the mid nineteen twenties, how
they started, and how they created a natural fall for
the nationalists and the socialists back then who were resisting

(59:47):
the British mandate basically over Egypt. I think from the
recent history of the Muslim Brotherhood it is quite clear
that they are the smartest among the Islamist group in
the region who they are so good in what is
called takeya in the Islamic terminologies is something that you

(01:00:10):
are allowed to lie if it serves the end goal
of the Islamic Caliphate.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
So what they do, basically, they are the NGO.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
They are the self power in the hands of the
people who want to establish the Islamic Caliphate. What they
try to do is basically through charities and through public
relations and supporting politicians, journalists, angels, et cetera, to gain
leverage and influence in Western countries, and they play identity

(01:00:40):
politics so well. They integrate themselves or embed themselves with
liberal parties in order to have more political clout in
the country. And you can see clearly that these people
are mostly embedded with liberal left wing what they call left.
They are not even left wing parties, right, I come
from a left wing family. When I moved to west

(01:01:01):
to the west, that's like, what is this left about?
You know this is completely retarded. Sorry, but the Muslim bothered.
I think they are a serious challenge to any society
if they want to keep the nature and the character
of that society, because their intention is not to integrate
inside this society, but rather to create parallel societies and

(01:01:24):
cantons and create their own mini states. You know, you
don't have to officially have a state, but you have
an entire neighborhood basically is inhabited by their people and
their rules and regulations and laws, the social norms, et
cetera are adopted there. So, in my opinion, when I
spoke about this when I came to Germany in twenty fifteen,

(01:01:44):
I really saw it with my objective eye. How they come,
for example, to a refuge camp where I was, and
they say, if you come to the prayer on Friday,
which is a Turkish mosque funded by Erdogan's government, then
we will give you a fai lama June. The lamagourn
is food, and like first nobody wanted to go, and
then they started offering free food and free clothings. And

(01:02:07):
for example, the Turkish people who come, they say, we
have seven refugees. If you have spare clothes, you can
give it to them. And then all of a sudden,
nobody goes to that mosque, and then you have.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
One hundred people two hundred people going there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
So I think that's the way of using religion and
this charity, which is a you do good thing to
people in order to capitalize on that good and the
need of the people to gain votes, to gain leverage.
It's all about power games for them, it's about politics.
So I have no doubt that they will definitely create

(01:02:44):
a poisonous political environment in the Western countries.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
And when I spoke.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
About it, it's really strange, you know, Like I live
in the West, and the German mainstream media they attack me.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
They don't attack them.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
They come after me and they say I am hating
on Muslims, and I have not. Even now we have
been talking over one hour, not even once I call
out or attack religions or people Muslims.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
As a group.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
I talk about ideologists, I talk about the founders and
some of the malicious people within these communities on what
they're trying to do. Because I also believe that many
Muslims are victims of these organizations. They truly think that
these organizations have they have a good will and the
best interests of the people at heart. But that's not
the case because the Muslim bothered is funded by Qatar,

(01:03:35):
by Turkey, by other powers who have an invested interest.
They have interests in these countries. Why would they spend
over universities, give scholarships, pay a hell of money to
people for an article you publish in a Muslim border
with affiliated outlet like I can give you examples, my friend,
I don't know if you have time, but if you
work for a Jeseira, you know Jesea pays a lot

(01:04:00):
of money for its journalists, whether you are a Muslim
Bodhood or not. But at the end of the day,
the editorial line on the policy of this channel, it
serves the global Muslim Bordyhood movement. Right, so you have
Al Jazea with hundreds of millions of dollars of budget,

(01:04:21):
basically buying an entire intellectual class in the Arabic world.
Left wing socialist communists writing for Al Jazeva. Imagine I,
a left wing person would collaborate and cooperate with Al
Jazeva in order to make money. And that's how they
hijacked the entire intellectual class in the Middle East, and

(01:04:43):
they have made them pro KATAVII funded so called Arab
spring in the region. That's very striking because in twenty thirteen,
when I wanted to publish in Al Jazeva, back then
I was an ignorant. They asked me to write an article,
and when I wrote, they didn't publish it. They said, no,
it doesn't go in line with our editorial line, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
And then they attacked me again they meet you know,
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Every channel has an policy, but making up entire false
claims about someone is criminal in my opinion, and especially
when you do it with malicious intention to turn the
radical people against me in order for them to kill
me eventually, right, so they portray you as an evil
and Aljezeva has done it with me in the past

(01:05:35):
because I made a series of videos about the Muslim
Brotherhood five parts on my YouTube channel, and two weeks
later I saw myself in a documentary and al Jeva
trying to they portray me as a as a demon,
you know, and then they want to pay me four
thousand dollars to come to al Jezeva in Turkey to

(01:05:57):
defend myself. It's like, that's why I say they have
lots of money. Unfortunately, the biggest, the biggest unfortunate misfortune
in the Arab world is the location of all these
enormous wealth in the hands of these tribesmen in Qatar,

(01:06:18):
and so all the Arabia and elsewhere. If this money
was spent wisely over infrastructure, universities, schools, instead of spending
over Jolani and Baghdadi, we would have had a brilliant
and and and progressed region. Unfortunately, it's so misfortune to

(01:06:38):
see all these tens of billions of dollars in the
hands of people willing to radicalize the people instead of
bringing some relief to the people. So I blame them
also for the destruction of my country.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Well, Cavork, that was brilliantly stated.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
I think you know what we're looking at and is
a radical shift in the way the Middle East is,
power structure is and I think Jilani is playing a
major role. I don't know if he's actually in control,
but his presence, his government, what that's going to look like,
where it's funding his alliances. I think it's gonna it's

(01:07:20):
gonna really shift the region around quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
I'll be interesting to see where can people follow you,
where they can they find you? And what do you have?
What are you working on now?

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
I'm doing daily livestreams between Monday to Friday on my
YouTube channel and also on Bumble Sia Analysis. I started
just covering Syria at the beginning, but now I cover
border Middle East. We covered also Ukraine and Russia and
China and the you know, unipolar world, multipolar world, which
I believe people should look very carefully what's happening around

(01:07:58):
the world because it affects us all. So we try
to give different perspectives to the people hosting different people,
sometimes myself and sometimes with other guests.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Awesome, well, sir, I'm looking forward in the future to
having you back on. I'd love to have you on
in the future to talk about the Amorinian genocide, if
you'd be willing to come on and talk about that.
I think that's a piece that Americans really need to understand.
I also believe there's an assault on Christianity all over
the world, and maybe we can get into that a

(01:08:28):
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
But it's been such an honor having you on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Your analysis is incredibly articulate and very well thought out,
and I just feel grateful that you were willing to
share with my audience.

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
Thank you so much, David.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
It's a really pleasure and an honor for me to
be on your show, and hopefully also in the future
I would be in the United States and we could
have a personal conversation for your respected audience to know
some people are really surprised, sometimes get surprised. My childhood
was mostly on American pop culture, hip hop, Hollywood movies,

(01:09:02):
so I know a lot about the US. I would
love to come and experience it. I hope my name
would not be blacklisted, but I would try.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
If you get over, I'd love to have you on
the show and take you in and show you some
South Florida sites.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
It'd be wonderful.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
It would be great, all right, God bless you. COVORDA, Yes,
thank you,

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