December 23, 2025 • 33 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show, guest-hosted by Brett Winterble from WBT in Charlotte, delivers a powerful mix of cultural, legal, and national security analysis alongside economic debate. Brett opens with a major legal development out of California: a federal judge struck down state policies that allowed schools to hide students’ gender identity changes from parents. Judge Roger T. Benitez issued a permanent injunction barring educators from misleading parents or using different pronouns and names without parental knowledge. Brett emphasizes the ruling as a victory for parental rights and the First Amendment, arguing that teachers should not be forced into secrecy or ideological compliance. He calls out the undue burden placed on educators and frames the decision as a pushback against progressive overreach in public education.
The conversation then pivots to Representative Ayanna Pressley’s remarks on gender-affirming care, where she equated treatment for gender dysphoria with urgent medical needs like broken bones and diabetes. Brett critiques the inclusion of taxpayer-funded gender transitions under Medicaid, questioning priorities when veterans and vulnerable populations struggle to access basic healthcare. He warns that such policies exemplify the left’s incremental approach to expanding government control over personal and family decisions.
Midway through the hour, Brett welcomes Bill Roggio of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and Long War Journal for an in-depth discussion on global terrorism following the ISIS-inspired Bondi Beach attack in Australia, which targeted Jewish worshippers during Hanukkah. Roggio dismantles the myth that ISIS is defeated, explaining how jihadist networks remain active in Southeast Asia, Africa, and the Middle East through recruitment, training, and financing via criminal enterprises, crypto transfers, and hawala systems. He highlights the Philippines as a training hub and warns that attacks like Bondi demonstrate ISIS’s ability to adapt and exploit security gaps. Roggio also raises alarms about the Minnesota welfare fraud scandal, suggesting that stolen funds could have been funneled to extremist groups like Al-Shabaab, given historical ties between Somali-American communities and jihadist recruitment. He underscores the likelihood that even a fraction of the $9–18 billion lost could significantly bolster terror operations abroad.
The segment closes with a sobering look at emerging threats in Syria, where two U.S. soldiers were killed by a member of Syrian security forces. Roggio questions official narratives blaming ISIS, noting the group’s silence and pointing to deeper complexities involving Islamist factions within the Syrian government. Brett ties these insights to domestic vulnerabilities, warning that terrorists study attacks like the Brown University shooting to replicate tactics against soft targets.
Finally, Brett engages listeners on Trump’s tariff policies, responding to a caller critical of protectionism. He defends reciprocal tariffs as leverage to secure fair trade deals, arguing that America’s economic strength allows it to dictate terms and protect domestic industries. This spirited debate underscores broader themes of sovereignty, economic resilience, and national security that define the hour.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Buck Sexton here and the entire Clay and Buck Show
with you and your family, a warm Christmas season and
a joyful new year.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
He's hurt on WBT and Charlotte, North Carolina. Please welcome
Brett Winterble filling in for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
No place I'd rather be than with each and every
one of you on this program. It's great to be
with you in for Clay Buck, as you heard, and
you can reach out to us. Everything is fair game
today at eight hundred two two eight eight two is
the telephone number. It is great to be here. One
of the things that the progressives like to do is
they like to try to sneak things in that shouldn't
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be part of policy. Okay, And what I see and
what I hear from so many people is that it
just feels like we are paddling upwind and all this
kind of stuff. No, you're not. We're actually winning a
lot more than you might be realizing. So let me
go over to onearticular location. It's the Epoch Times, and
(01:03):
they have a piece that I think is really interesting
because it is something that happened in California. Federal judge
strikes down California's policies hiding gender switches from parents. Now
I had to read that like two or three times
before I understood what they were actually saying. But the
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permanent injunction includes language that bars any employee in California's
education system from misleading a parent. This is California Federal
judge on December twenty second, just yesterday, while we were
all talking about the things that we're going to do,
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ruled against the California policies that prevent parents from learning
their children gender switches. Sounds like a piece of mechanical material,
But know what this is is kid goes to school,
Kid identifies as a different person than what they are
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when they go to school, then they come back home,
et cetera, et cetera. Now you cannot find that out.
You know a lot to find that out if you're
a parent, because all you are is the parent. Now,
the state is really excited about all that sort of stuff.
And you know why that is, right, It's because it's
going to mean there's going to be more money pushed
into the system than all that sort of stuff. US
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District Court Judge Roger T. Benitez entered a permanent injunction
that bars officials from enforcing the policies. The state's desire
to protect vulnerable children from harassment and discrimination is laudable,
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wrote Benitez in a fifty two page decision, but he
said the parental exclusion policies create a trifecta of harm.
They harm the child, who needs the parental guidance the
possibility mental health intervention to determine if the incongruence is
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organic or whether it's the result of bullying, peer pressure,
or a fleeting impulse. They harm the parents by depriving
them of the long recognized Fourteenth Amendment right to care,
guide and make health care decisions for their children, and
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by substantially burdening many parents' First Amendment right to train
their children in their sincerely held beliefs. And finally, they
harm the teachers, who are compelled to violate the sincerely
held beliefs and the parents' rights by forcing them to
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conceal in they feel is critical for the welfare of
the student. That is a totally smart, obvious take, but
in California everything is upside down among these sorts of policies.
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Among the policies are rules prohibiting teachers prohibiting teachers from
telling parents when their children begin going by a different
name and gender, and forcing teachers to use those new
names and pronouns when parents are not around. I know
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there are tons of teachers listening to the Clayan Buck Show.
I know there are tons of people who have to
try to keep everything straight in their mind because well,
let's say you're in a big time school and you've
got I don't know how many classes do you teach,
maybe four classes, five classes, six, whatever it is, and
(05:04):
you got thirty kids in each, So you have to
be responsible for like one hundred and eighty two hundred kids.
You got to know whose gender is what, and this
is that, and the other thing is this?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Lawyers for the state said the policies were part of
providing a safe learning environment, including making sure that children
can learn without the fear of being outed to their
parents before they're ready. So let's take a hypothetical here
for a second. Right now, what do we have. We
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have the holiday coming up, We've got Christmas coming up,
New Year's you're out for winter break, all that sort
of stuff. So if you go to school and you
identify as a completely different person, and then you come
home at night, and you do that whole sort of
thing where you just kind of do what you're doing.
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How are you being how are you being protected during
the period in which you are not at school for
the two three weeks of the holidays. How do you
do this? It seems to be an undue burden for
the teachers to have to carry that weight number one
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and number two to see what these kids are doing
when they're not at school. That interest is too broad
and not narrowly tired tailored to respect parental rights, the
judge said. In articulating their interest, the state defendants completely
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ignore the fact that parents of students possess a free
exercise right to direct a child's religious teaching. The permanent
injunction includes language that bars any employee in California's education
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system from misleading the parent or guardian of a minor
child in the education system about their child's gender presentation
at school, whether by directly lying to the parent, preventing
the parent from accessing educational records of the child, or
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using a different set of preferred pronouns and names when
speaking with the parents that is being used at the school.
By the way, the attorneys who brought this for the
Thomas Moore Society or representing teachers in the case, and
they are celebrating the ruling. Teachers don't want to be
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a part of this. By and large, the regular teacher,
the average teacher, does not want to have to go
and deal with gender pronouns or anything like that at all.
They don't want to be a part of that because
it makes them feel, obviously that they're deceiving the parents,
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the first teachers, and that ladies and gentlemen shouldn't shouldn't
be the factor. What should be happening here is you
raise your kid. You may have some trauma, you may
have some drama, you may have some of that, but
it's not a public educational institution's responsibility to do this
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sort of stuff. I would love to hear from any
of the teachers who are out on break if you've
had to deal with this sort of stuff. This is
a very important thing, and this ruling that the judge
put through is significant in a very big way because
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you're not lying to your to to to your the teacher,
the teachers are not lying to the parents. What happens
if the if the person who's identifying with a different
name or or or dressing differently, gets injured at school
and suddenly you come over uh to go render aid,
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and the parents are called, and suddenly they're wearing different
clothes and their name is different and all that sort
of To me, it's it's I think it's profoundly unfair
to the teachers. There's a whole lot of issues you
can grapple with when it comes to teaching, but but
the fact of the matter is this sort of stuff
is a real, real tough set of circumstances that they
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shouldn't have to deal with in that regard. And I
can tell you that. I can tell you that because
I know people who are teachers. I'm close to people
who are teachers. They want to go in and they
want to teach their subjects. They don't want to have
to go in and and you know, do the thing
that these that these middle schoolers, maybe elementary schoolers, high
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schoolers want to do. That's that's way out of the
jurisdiction of educating people. At least that's my that's my take.
Maybe maybe you think I'm wrong, and that's totally okay.
You can absolutely say Brett, you're out of your mind
you don't know what you're talking about, but I do know,
and I understand. Teachers have it pretty tough. I know,
(10:30):
I know. You get nice mugs at the end of
the of the holidays. That's very nice. You get a
couple of you might get yourself a little a little
you know, Starbucks card or something like that. But to
force these teachers to have to do this kind of
stuff that is just onerous, onerous in the extreme, as
they would say. All right, my name is Brett Winterbow.
(10:53):
I'm in for Clay and Buck. Our telephone number if
you'd like to opine, everything is fair game. Between now
and the end of the program eight hundred eight two.
We're gonna be joined later on in the program on
this hour with Bill Roggio. I'm very curious to see
what he's thinking about in the world of terrorism, especially
with Bondai and all that sort of stuff. We want
to certainly get his thoughts. I'm Brett Witterable. You're listening
(11:16):
to the Clay.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And Buck Show Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Mike drops
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Speaker 1 (11:28):
Welcome back, on Brett Wittable in for Clay and Buck.
Great to be with you, marry Christmas. I love this
time of the year. It's incredible. It just it makes
me so happy. You know, it doesn't make me happy.
I'll tell you what doesn't make me happy. We were
just talking about schools and and identity politics and all
this sort of stuff that's a part of the conversation.
(11:51):
Let's not let's not overlook what the left wants to do. Okay,
And I'm gonna do this for you right here, right now.
This is going to be cut number seven, still on
the sort of gender affirming thing that we were talking about,
Cut number seven. This is Representative Ayanna Pressley from Massachusetts
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Letter ripst It.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Every parent wants to keep their child safe, wants their
child to grow without pain, to sleep through the night,
without fear or suffering. But when our children are growing up,
it is inevitable that they will need medical care. A
fall from a bike, a broken arm on the playground.
Parents rush into the doctor's office. They bandished, scrape knees.
They hold their child's hand and wipe away tears while
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their pediatrician lays out a plan. And in these moments,
that urgent question on that parent's mind is what does
my child need to be? Okay, a broken bone, asthma,
gender dysphoria, diabetes, whatever the presenting issue is, a treatment
plan takes shape.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Hang on.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
For some families, children need to just stop it. How
do you stack that that? Way? Do you do that?
How do you say diabetes, a scrape knee, gender dysphoria. Uh,
there's some other thing. You just package that in the
middle of that, Like that's see. This is this is
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why people get so frustrated with the progressive left, because
they're like, hey, you know, I mean, look, uh, maybe
you're trying to get some reproductive treatment and then all
of a sudden, now you're gonna go and do this
other thing. And then by the way, yeah, we're just
gonna go ninth month, will just abort the baby. And
(13:34):
then you're like, what wait, what was that last one?
You said this?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
This?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
If the left decided they just wanted to come out
and they wanted to speak to a specific position that
they want to do that, that would be one thing.
But you can't take this. Can you refire that up?
I'm sorry, I just that that was such a weird transition.
No pun intended, but you know what I'm saying. Can
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you just give me this one more time? Though, Mike,
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Every parent wants to keep their child safe, wants their
child to grow without pain, to sleep through the night,
without fear or suffering. But when our children are growing up,
it is inevitable that they will need medical care. A
fall from a bike, a broken arm on the playground.
Parents rush into the doctor's office. They bandish, scrape knees,
They hold their child's hand and wipe away tears while
(14:23):
their pediatrician lays out a plan. And in these moments,
that urgent question on that parent's mind is what does
my child need to be okay? A broken bone, asthma,
gender dysphoria, diabetes, whatever the presenting issue is, a treatment
plan takes shape. For some families, what their children need
to be okay is access to gender affirming care. Care
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that is safe, evidence based, and recognize as essential by
every major medical association. Care that for some children is
the difference between despair and hope, between isolation and community,
between surviving and thriving. And yet today we are debating
a bill that would tell parents on Medicaid that their
child's pain is unworthy of care, that their doctor's judgment
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does not matter, that politicians know better than parents sitting
in exam rooms.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Call.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
A young person from Massachusetts wrote to me and said,
transgender people deserve the same chance to thrive and live
fulfilling lives as everyone else.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Okay, the operative word in that conversation was medicaid. So
we're going to do medicaid transitions? Is that what I heard?
I think that's what I heard. I'm pretty sure that
that's what I heard. That she's talking about medicaid meaning
the federal government is going to do transgender surgeries. At
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the same time, you've got people, homeless, veterans, people who
can't get a eyeglasses. What is that? What is she
talking about? For the life of me, I can't figure
it out. Maybe you can decode it. Maybe you know
what it is, because I sure as heck do not
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know what she's talking about. I didn't know that medicaid
was for gender transferation. I'll have to look into that.
Can you help me with my tennis elbow? No? Absolutely not.
But what are we doing now? You see how this
is going You give an inch, they take a mile.
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You give them a mile, they take two miles. This,
ladies and gentlemen, is not the way to run a
healthcare system. We have to do better. We must do better,
and frankly we will. I'm Brettwitter and I am Brettwitter.
But it's a pleasure to be with you here today
(16:57):
on the mccleay im Buck program. It's a great, great platform.
I love all the feedback we're getting. It's really awesome.
And by the way, if you want to opine eight
hundred two eight two to eight, eight to two. It
is my pleasure to welcome to the program a guy
who I always like talking to. It's Bill Roggio from
(17:17):
the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy and of course
obviously Longwar Journal dot org. Bill, thanks so much, very
Merry Christmas to you, and thanks for making time for us.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Today, Brett, always a pleasure. Merry Christmas to you and
to Clay and Buck into all the listeners.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
So happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Absolutely absolutely, I think twenty six is going to be
a very momentous year. So let me take us back
about a week. This horrible attack that took place at
Bondai Beach in Australia. Two guys working together father son
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decide that they are going to do their thing for ISIS,
trying to murder as many people as they can, specifically
targeting Jews the Tohonka celebration. What is the state of
this fight against Isis? It seems to be metastasizing in
some ways. Can you give this audience sort of a
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sense of what it is that we're seeing and how
it is that we have to deal with this eminent threat?
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Yeah, Brett. So, Look, despite proclamations from both the Biden
and Trump administration that the Islamic State has been defeated,
I think what we witnessed it that attack and BONDI
the horrific attack, is an indication that they're not. These
two father seen they.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
They went to the Philippines.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Well, they decided want to carry out an attack the
Sun had tied to ISIS that was brought up and
are discovered in twenty nineteen. Get the Australians decided he
wasn't a threat. That I guess a big oops there.
They traveled to the Philippines apparently for training. I think
what you what we witnessed on those videos was they.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Had some proficiency.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Look, it's difficult to become a proficient two man fire team,
particularly with the limited weapons they had shotguns and a rifle,
but it was enough to kill fifteen people and wound
scores more and create the chaos that we all witnessed.
The a lot of state isn't defeated. You know, look,
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people thought the as long as you in in Southeast
Asia was an afterthought, and that clearly isn't the case.
If there, if these individuals did indeed go to to
the Philippines for training, which I believe they did. The
Australians believe they have as well, despite denials from the
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Philippine government, it shows that, you know, even though these
groups aren't highly active, they maintain capacity to recruit, to indoctrinate,
to train and to execute attacks. And that's we have
to keep in mind that just because we want these
this war on terror to be over, doesn't mean that
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the Jihadis themselves who clearly don't think it's over.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
They get it.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
They have a word, you know, they get the last word,
and they got their their word in and bondy and
this won't be the last attack.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
When you when you look at this and you look
at the way ISIS is operating I'm looking towards you know,
down the road and the horizon and things like that.
How how do they supply themselves? How do they put
this stuff together? Obviously we know that ISIS is an
incredibly dangerous organization broadly, but the cells that are making
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up these attacks, whether a lone wolf or you know,
other people working that way, how do they get funded?
How do they get uh? The the the approach is
that they're using uh to to try to kill as
many people as they can.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Yeah, So the Islamic State, you know, look, it's very
active in Africa and West Africa and in the Sahel
in East Africa. They even have a cadre in Somalia
that is spreading cash to other theaters they make. They
raise their money via the areas they may control. They'll tax,
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they'll take you know, from businesses. They demand zakat or payment.
Uh Basically they think of it as a tide from
the people where they're under control. They run criminal enterprises.
They're moving money via either crypto or hawala, which are
basically Islamic banks where it's yeah, the complicated, but to
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just think of it as like you know, a word
of mouth. Western Union promisory way of exchanging money, and
and that is used to fund their operations, to execute operations.
I mean, they're certainly not devoid of individuals who have
been in combat that can provide training. For instance, in
the Philippines where this area in the Philippines, there are
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several groups is ABUSAIF group which part of its loyal
to al Qaeda, it's part of it's loyal to the
Islamic State, the more Islamic Liberation Front. All these groups,
they may be down. This is the problem with the
entire you know, war on terror is we want these
groups to be defeated because they're not openly controlling territory,
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but they exist little cellular level and they continue to
they take advantage of the of the situations. And in
the case of this they it looks like they grab
two individuals who are who had proclability to launch an
attack and they aided them in carrying out that attack.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Visiting with Bill Ragio from Long War Journal dot org
and a Foundation for the Defensive Democracies on the clam
Bucks Show. Let me take you to this scandal that
is emerging in Minnesota, and obviously you're familiar with this.
You understand you have a large Somali presence in that area.
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The governor is saying, Okay, we lost a lot of
our money. It's a real problem. Eighteen billion or nine
billion or whatever that is. I raised this because you
talk about Huala, and is it impossible that money left
Minnesota to go to Somalia to feed some of this
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sort of effort. Because from from what I see from people,
whether it's ilhan Omar or other people, they're saying, we
have absolutely no connection to terrorism at all. It shouldn't
even be talked about. Is that Is that a Is
that a real possibility?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Bill? Oh?
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Not only is it a possible ability, it's a probability.
It's a strong probability. When the once that money is
being transferred overseas. Again, these groups they have a way
of either extorting that money or there may be individuals
and I can't you know, Look, there's a large Somali
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cadre from the United States that has supported Shabab, which
is al Qaeda's branch in Somalia. I there was some
of the four or five Americans who served as suicide bombers, yes,
inside of Somalia. They came from the Minneapolis area. I
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remember talking to I'm not gonna say who, but an
individual who knew quite a lot about this over a
decade ago, was warning me about these problems, about problems
money being transferred. Individuals were either sympathetic or supportive. So I,
you know it, claim that not a single dime of
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that money that was stolen from the people of Minnesota,
and I would you imagine, I don't know if federal
funds are involved, but have not been people in the
United States.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
You know your tax dollars at work here. It's idly
likely that some of them.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
I'm not going to say nine billion dollars or nineteen
or eighteen billion dollars went to support you, Bob, but
if it's one percent of it, or if you're ten
percent of it, that's a lot of that money goes
a long way in a poor country like Somalia.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I'm going to tie this together with something else that
I think is important. So you were familiar with what
happened at Brown University, the shooting and that sort of
stuff that was happening. And we know it's not the
guy who did this wasn't as far as we know,
an Isis Sky or anything like that. But do the
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ISIS fighters. Do these people pick up ideas looking at
things like this where you either or have a fifth
column that's spending time on elite campuses where they can operate,
or or they decide that they want to go and
attack very soft targets like universities and things like that.
Do they go to school and all that sort of stuff, Bill.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, they're certainly watching. You know, there's not a lot.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Different in the attack, you know, at least from the
tactical level, from the you know, the employment of that attack,
between what happened in Bonding and what happened in Brown. Right,
an individual gets a hold of weapons is radicalized in
some way. So they see this and they're looking for
individuals that they can recruit, and they recognize that if
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you can get that person, access doesn't even have to
be weapons. It doesn't have to be firearms. It could
be a knife. When we've seen knife attacks in Europe
and the United States, ramming attacks they've happened here, you know.
So there they watch and see how other INDI viduals
or groups that may not be tied to Islamic terrorist organizations,
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but they're going to mirror those tactics. I think part
of me wonders, how much, like you know, the shooter
and at Brown, is mimicking attacks from the Islamic State
or is it the other way around? But yeah, they
certainly watch and learn to try to discover our weaknesses
and what they can do and how to exploit them.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Okay, final question for you, very generous with your time.
I always like talking to you in our last two minutes.
Where are the things that we should be paying close
attention to? What's popping up on your on your radar?
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Yeah, I would say the attack in Syria that where
two American soldiers were killed, and this was by a
member of the Syrian security forces, the Sentcom and the
US government. The Trump administration insists that this was the
Islamic State. The Islamic State never carried out that never
claimed credit for this attack. Keep in mind, if they
gave a US soldier a hang now, they would claim
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credit for it on their propaganda. That's not a word
from them. And yet our response when this attack is
carried out by a government that used to be supposedly
used to be part of al Qaeda, it's comprised nearly
solely of his longless groups, many of them linked to
al Qaeda or directly purporting to them, and our response
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is to target the Islamic State. There's some cover is
being provided here. Remember that Tom Barrack, the envoid is Syria,
that there is no Plan B for Syria if we
don't support Shara, the president of Siri, who used to
be al Qaeda's leader in Syria. That we you know,
there is no if we don't support him, we don't
have any other options. Meanwhile, he's going to get away
(28:41):
with killing you know, his people, killing his jihadis in
his rank and file.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Killing Americans.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
And our responses to go after the Islamic State, which
by the way, is the enemy of the Syrian government,
which is responsible for killing Americans.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Where do people go to get more information on what
you do.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, you can go to worjournal dot org.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Thanks so much, Bill, it's a pleasure to be with you.
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and let's get together again
next year, my friend. I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Same to you, my friend. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year
to all.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Absolutely that's Bill Roggio. I'm Brett Woterble. I'm in for
Clay and Buck Today to eight hundred and two A
two two eight a two back after.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
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get your podcasts. Clay Travis with the Clay and Buck Show,
wishing you and your family a very merry Christmas and
a happy new Year.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
And welcome back to the Clay and Buck Show. It's
Brett Winterbowl in for Clay and Buck. Eight hundred and
two A two to eight a two. We've got a
couple people on hold. Let's jump out and talk to
Mike in Minnesota. Line one. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Hi, welcome, Merry Christmas, Brent, thank you. Yeah. I just
I'm kind of upset how conservatives they are just on
board with all these Trump's tariffs. And I just heard
the newspript where Trump or the White House just praised
how all the economic gains are due to his tariffs
or a lot of it is. And I mean, tariffs
are just a tax on top of all the other
(30:18):
taxes we pay. Nothing, nothing good can ever come out
of tariffs. And it's yeah, it's just I don't know
how I'm just like disappointed that so many conservatives are
fooled and have bought into this tariff.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well, well, if you have a tariff, right, If so, Like,
let's say you you exercise a tariff, and I exercise
a tariff, and you have to pay x amount and
I have to pay x amount, the way to get
to a fair position is for both of us to
drop the tariff, right, I mean, isn't that kind of
kind of how this is supposed to.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Let's say let's say we trade with Germany and they
impose tariffs on their people for imparts, hurting themselves. When
we impose tariffs, we're just tax asing Americans. That be
kind of foolish. It's not, you know, we need free trade,
not this fairer balance trade, which fair balance trade means
big government protectionism where the government manages economic activity. Right.
(31:17):
Because the thing is, it's a huge myth. We don't
lose a penny on the trade deficit. The word deficit
confuses a lot of people. Yeah, affectionist thinks we lose
money on trade deficits.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
But if the United States, if the United States, right,
if Donald Trump goes over and talks to the to
the chancellor in Germany, and says, hey, we want to
cut a deal. We're not going to hit you with tariffs.
You're not going to hit us with tariffs. Then it
just goes away. The reason why they erect the tariffs
to begin with is because it's to try to claw
back what the other side is taking from us. So
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if we decide that we're going to just have tariffs,
then everybody's going to have to pay the big to
get into the club. But if we all agree to
not do that, then everything is cool. We don't do that.
There are countries who I can't think of very many
of them that are very aggressive towards the United States
at this stage of the game, because we have been
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essentially the people who are saying, yeah, we are gonna
be it's all reciprocal, right, It's if you're twenty percent,
then we're gonna be twenty percent. Or if you're twenty percent,
we're gonna be forty percent. Then they're gonna give us
sixty percent, then we're gonna go to eighty percent. Our
market is such an important place. The marketplace that we
run is an incredible machine. Everybody wants to trade here,
(32:41):
and so we can knock back all of these tariffs
and they don't ever exist again as long as everybody's
playing ball. But if they're not playing ball, we have
we have to hit them with it, like why why
should we give anybody a free ride? Don't It doesn't
make any sense to me.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
When we impose the reciprocal tariffs, we're hurting ourselves. That's
where the disagreement is.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Right, but we're getting but they're stealing from us. Then
they don't get to sell. Then they don't get to
sell here, it's the impact. It makes total sense to me.
I appreciate the call, Thank you very much. We've got
another great hour straight ahead taking your phone calls. And
of course don't forget father Bill Nicholas is going to
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be joining us right around the corner. You're listening to
the Clay and Buck Show. Our number eight hundred two
eight two two eight eight two. I'm gonna tell you
a special story in this next hour, one that nobody knows.
You got to hear this. It is so great to
(33:43):
be with you on this day before Christmas Eve. I'm
Brett Widerble. We've got plenty more straight ahead. Enjoy this time.
Back after this
Buck Sexton here and the entire Clay and Buck Show
with you and your family, a warm Christmas season and
a joyful new year.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
He's hurt on WBT and Charlotte, North Carolina. Please welcome
Brett Winterble filling in for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
No place I'd rather be than with each and every
one of you on this program. It's great to be
with you in for Clay Buck, as you heard, and
you can reach out to us. Everything is fair game
today at eight hundred two two eight eight two is
the telephone number. It is great to be here. One
of the things that the progressives like to do is
they like to try to sneak things in that shouldn't
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be part of policy. Okay, And what I see and
what I hear from so many people is that it
just feels like we are paddling upwind and all this
kind of stuff. No, you're not. We're actually winning a
lot more than you might be realizing. So let me
go over to onearticular location. It's the Epoch Times, and
(01:03):
they have a piece that I think is really interesting
because it is something that happened in California. Federal judge
strikes down California's policies hiding gender switches from parents. Now
I had to read that like two or three times
before I understood what they were actually saying. But the
(01:26):
permanent injunction includes language that bars any employee in California's
education system from misleading a parent. This is California Federal
judge on December twenty second, just yesterday, while we were
all talking about the things that we're going to do,
(01:47):
ruled against the California policies that prevent parents from learning
their children gender switches. Sounds like a piece of mechanical material,
But know what this is is kid goes to school,
Kid identifies as a different person than what they are
(02:08):
when they go to school, then they come back home,
et cetera, et cetera. Now you cannot find that out.
You know a lot to find that out if you're
a parent, because all you are is the parent. Now,
the state is really excited about all that sort of stuff.
And you know why that is, right, It's because it's
going to mean there's going to be more money pushed
into the system than all that sort of stuff. US
(02:30):
District Court Judge Roger T. Benitez entered a permanent injunction
that bars officials from enforcing the policies. The state's desire
to protect vulnerable children from harassment and discrimination is laudable,
(02:51):
wrote Benitez in a fifty two page decision, but he
said the parental exclusion policies create a trifecta of harm.
They harm the child, who needs the parental guidance the
possibility mental health intervention to determine if the incongruence is
(03:14):
organic or whether it's the result of bullying, peer pressure,
or a fleeting impulse. They harm the parents by depriving
them of the long recognized Fourteenth Amendment right to care,
guide and make health care decisions for their children, and
(03:37):
by substantially burdening many parents' First Amendment right to train
their children in their sincerely held beliefs. And finally, they
harm the teachers, who are compelled to violate the sincerely
held beliefs and the parents' rights by forcing them to
(03:59):
conceal in they feel is critical for the welfare of
the student. That is a totally smart, obvious take, but
in California everything is upside down among these sorts of policies.
(04:20):
Among the policies are rules prohibiting teachers prohibiting teachers from
telling parents when their children begin going by a different
name and gender, and forcing teachers to use those new
names and pronouns when parents are not around. I know
(04:43):
there are tons of teachers listening to the Clayan Buck Show.
I know there are tons of people who have to
try to keep everything straight in their mind because well,
let's say you're in a big time school and you've
got I don't know how many classes do you teach,
maybe four classes, five classes, six, whatever it is, and
(05:04):
you got thirty kids in each, So you have to
be responsible for like one hundred and eighty two hundred kids.
You got to know whose gender is what, and this
is that, and the other thing is this?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Lawyers for the state said the policies were part of
providing a safe learning environment, including making sure that children
can learn without the fear of being outed to their
parents before they're ready. So let's take a hypothetical here
for a second. Right now, what do we have. We
(05:42):
have the holiday coming up, We've got Christmas coming up,
New Year's you're out for winter break, all that sort
of stuff. So if you go to school and you
identify as a completely different person, and then you come
home at night, and you do that whole sort of
thing where you just kind of do what you're doing.
(06:03):
How are you being how are you being protected during
the period in which you are not at school for
the two three weeks of the holidays. How do you
do this? It seems to be an undue burden for
the teachers to have to carry that weight number one
(06:25):
and number two to see what these kids are doing
when they're not at school. That interest is too broad
and not narrowly tired tailored to respect parental rights, the
judge said. In articulating their interest, the state defendants completely
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ignore the fact that parents of students possess a free
exercise right to direct a child's religious teaching. The permanent
injunction includes language that bars any employee in California's education
(07:10):
system from misleading the parent or guardian of a minor
child in the education system about their child's gender presentation
at school, whether by directly lying to the parent, preventing
the parent from accessing educational records of the child, or
(07:32):
using a different set of preferred pronouns and names when
speaking with the parents that is being used at the school.
By the way, the attorneys who brought this for the
Thomas Moore Society or representing teachers in the case, and
they are celebrating the ruling. Teachers don't want to be
(07:54):
a part of this. By and large, the regular teacher,
the average teacher, does not want to have to go
and deal with gender pronouns or anything like that at all.
They don't want to be a part of that because
it makes them feel, obviously that they're deceiving the parents,
(08:15):
the first teachers, and that ladies and gentlemen shouldn't shouldn't
be the factor. What should be happening here is you
raise your kid. You may have some trauma, you may
have some drama, you may have some of that, but
it's not a public educational institution's responsibility to do this
(08:40):
sort of stuff. I would love to hear from any
of the teachers who are out on break if you've
had to deal with this sort of stuff. This is
a very important thing, and this ruling that the judge
put through is significant in a very big way because
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you're not lying to your to to to your the teacher,
the teachers are not lying to the parents. What happens
if the if the person who's identifying with a different
name or or or dressing differently, gets injured at school
and suddenly you come over uh to go render aid,
(09:22):
and the parents are called, and suddenly they're wearing different
clothes and their name is different and all that sort
of To me, it's it's I think it's profoundly unfair
to the teachers. There's a whole lot of issues you
can grapple with when it comes to teaching, but but
the fact of the matter is this sort of stuff
is a real, real tough set of circumstances that they
(09:42):
shouldn't have to deal with in that regard. And I
can tell you that. I can tell you that because
I know people who are teachers. I'm close to people
who are teachers. They want to go in and they
want to teach their subjects. They don't want to have
to go in and and you know, do the thing
that these that these middle schoolers, maybe elementary schoolers, high
(10:06):
schoolers want to do. That's that's way out of the
jurisdiction of educating people. At least that's my that's my take.
Maybe maybe you think I'm wrong, and that's totally okay.
You can absolutely say Brett, you're out of your mind
you don't know what you're talking about, but I do know,
and I understand. Teachers have it pretty tough. I know,
(10:30):
I know. You get nice mugs at the end of
the of the holidays. That's very nice. You get a
couple of you might get yourself a little a little
you know, Starbucks card or something like that. But to
force these teachers to have to do this kind of
stuff that is just onerous, onerous in the extreme, as
they would say. All right, my name is Brett Winterbow.
(10:53):
I'm in for Clay and Buck. Our telephone number if
you'd like to opine, everything is fair game. Between now
and the end of the program eight hundred eight two.
We're gonna be joined later on in the program on
this hour with Bill Roggio. I'm very curious to see
what he's thinking about in the world of terrorism, especially
with Bondai and all that sort of stuff. We want
to certainly get his thoughts. I'm Brett Witterable. You're listening
(11:16):
to the Clay.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And Buck Show Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Mike drops
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Speaker 1 (11:28):
Welcome back, on Brett Wittable in for Clay and Buck.
Great to be with you, marry Christmas. I love this
time of the year. It's incredible. It just it makes
me so happy. You know, it doesn't make me happy.
I'll tell you what doesn't make me happy. We were
just talking about schools and and identity politics and all
this sort of stuff that's a part of the conversation.
(11:51):
Let's not let's not overlook what the left wants to do. Okay,
And I'm gonna do this for you right here, right now.
This is going to be cut number seven, still on
the sort of gender affirming thing that we were talking about,
Cut number seven. This is Representative Ayanna Pressley from Massachusetts
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Letter ripst It.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Every parent wants to keep their child safe, wants their
child to grow without pain, to sleep through the night,
without fear or suffering. But when our children are growing up,
it is inevitable that they will need medical care. A
fall from a bike, a broken arm on the playground.
Parents rush into the doctor's office. They bandished, scrape knees.
They hold their child's hand and wipe away tears while
(12:35):
their pediatrician lays out a plan. And in these moments,
that urgent question on that parent's mind is what does
my child need to be? Okay, a broken bone, asthma,
gender dysphoria, diabetes, whatever the presenting issue is, a treatment
plan takes shape.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Hang on.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
For some families, children need to just stop it. How
do you stack that that? Way? Do you do that?
How do you say diabetes, a scrape knee, gender dysphoria. Uh,
there's some other thing. You just package that in the
middle of that, Like that's see. This is this is
(13:13):
why people get so frustrated with the progressive left, because
they're like, hey, you know, I mean, look, uh, maybe
you're trying to get some reproductive treatment and then all
of a sudden, now you're gonna go and do this
other thing. And then by the way, yeah, we're just
gonna go ninth month, will just abort the baby. And
(13:34):
then you're like, what wait, what was that last one?
You said this?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
This?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
If the left decided they just wanted to come out
and they wanted to speak to a specific position that
they want to do that, that would be one thing.
But you can't take this. Can you refire that up?
I'm sorry, I just that that was such a weird transition.
No pun intended, but you know what I'm saying. Can
(13:59):
you just give me this one more time? Though, Mike,
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Every parent wants to keep their child safe, wants their
child to grow without pain, to sleep through the night,
without fear or suffering. But when our children are growing up,
it is inevitable that they will need medical care. A
fall from a bike, a broken arm on the playground.
Parents rush into the doctor's office. They bandish, scrape knees,
They hold their child's hand and wipe away tears while
(14:23):
their pediatrician lays out a plan. And in these moments,
that urgent question on that parent's mind is what does
my child need to be okay? A broken bone, asthma,
gender dysphoria, diabetes, whatever the presenting issue is, a treatment
plan takes shape. For some families, what their children need
to be okay is access to gender affirming care. Care
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that is safe, evidence based, and recognize as essential by
every major medical association. Care that for some children is
the difference between despair and hope, between isolation and community,
between surviving and thriving. And yet today we are debating
a bill that would tell parents on Medicaid that their
child's pain is unworthy of care, that their doctor's judgment
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does not matter, that politicians know better than parents sitting
in exam rooms.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Call.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
A young person from Massachusetts wrote to me and said,
transgender people deserve the same chance to thrive and live
fulfilling lives as everyone else.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Okay, the operative word in that conversation was medicaid. So
we're going to do medicaid transitions? Is that what I heard?
I think that's what I heard. I'm pretty sure that
that's what I heard. That she's talking about medicaid meaning
the federal government is going to do transgender surgeries. At
(15:52):
the same time, you've got people, homeless, veterans, people who
can't get a eyeglasses. What is that? What is she
talking about? For the life of me, I can't figure
it out. Maybe you can decode it. Maybe you know
what it is, because I sure as heck do not
(16:15):
know what she's talking about. I didn't know that medicaid
was for gender transferation. I'll have to look into that.
Can you help me with my tennis elbow? No? Absolutely not.
But what are we doing now? You see how this
is going You give an inch, they take a mile.
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You give them a mile, they take two miles. This,
ladies and gentlemen, is not the way to run a
healthcare system. We have to do better. We must do better,
and frankly we will. I'm Brettwitter and I am Brettwitter.
But it's a pleasure to be with you here today
(16:57):
on the mccleay im Buck program. It's a great, great platform.
I love all the feedback we're getting. It's really awesome.
And by the way, if you want to opine eight
hundred two eight two to eight, eight to two. It
is my pleasure to welcome to the program a guy
who I always like talking to. It's Bill Roggio from
(17:17):
the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy and of course
obviously Longwar Journal dot org. Bill, thanks so much, very
Merry Christmas to you, and thanks for making time for us.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Today, Brett, always a pleasure. Merry Christmas to you and
to Clay and Buck into all the listeners.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
So happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Absolutely absolutely, I think twenty six is going to be
a very momentous year. So let me take us back
about a week. This horrible attack that took place at
Bondai Beach in Australia. Two guys working together father son
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decide that they are going to do their thing for ISIS,
trying to murder as many people as they can, specifically
targeting Jews the Tohonka celebration. What is the state of
this fight against Isis? It seems to be metastasizing in
some ways. Can you give this audience sort of a
(18:18):
sense of what it is that we're seeing and how
it is that we have to deal with this eminent threat?
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Yeah, Brett. So, Look, despite proclamations from both the Biden
and Trump administration that the Islamic State has been defeated,
I think what we witnessed it that attack and BONDI
the horrific attack, is an indication that they're not. These
two father seen they.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
They went to the Philippines.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Well, they decided want to carry out an attack the
Sun had tied to ISIS that was brought up and
are discovered in twenty nineteen. Get the Australians decided he
wasn't a threat. That I guess a big oops there.
They traveled to the Philippines apparently for training. I think
what you what we witnessed on those videos was they.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Had some proficiency.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Look, it's difficult to become a proficient two man fire team,
particularly with the limited weapons they had shotguns and a rifle,
but it was enough to kill fifteen people and wound
scores more and create the chaos that we all witnessed.
The a lot of state isn't defeated. You know, look,
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people thought the as long as you in in Southeast
Asia was an afterthought, and that clearly isn't the case.
If there, if these individuals did indeed go to to
the Philippines for training, which I believe they did. The
Australians believe they have as well, despite denials from the
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Philippine government, it shows that, you know, even though these
groups aren't highly active, they maintain capacity to recruit, to indoctrinate,
to train and to execute attacks. And that's we have
to keep in mind that just because we want these
this war on terror to be over, doesn't mean that
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the Jihadis themselves who clearly don't think it's over.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
They get it.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
They have a word, you know, they get the last word,
and they got their their word in and bondy and
this won't be the last attack.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
When you when you look at this and you look
at the way ISIS is operating I'm looking towards you know,
down the road and the horizon and things like that.
How how do they supply themselves? How do they put
this stuff together? Obviously we know that ISIS is an
incredibly dangerous organization broadly, but the cells that are making
(20:49):
up these attacks, whether a lone wolf or you know,
other people working that way, how do they get funded?
How do they get uh? The the the approach is
that they're using uh to to try to kill as
many people as they can.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Yeah, So the Islamic State, you know, look, it's very
active in Africa and West Africa and in the Sahel
in East Africa. They even have a cadre in Somalia
that is spreading cash to other theaters they make. They
raise their money via the areas they may control. They'll tax,
(21:25):
they'll take you know, from businesses. They demand zakat or payment.
Uh Basically they think of it as a tide from
the people where they're under control. They run criminal enterprises.
They're moving money via either crypto or hawala, which are
basically Islamic banks where it's yeah, the complicated, but to
(21:49):
just think of it as like you know, a word
of mouth. Western Union promisory way of exchanging money, and
and that is used to fund their operations, to execute operations.
I mean, they're certainly not devoid of individuals who have
been in combat that can provide training. For instance, in
the Philippines where this area in the Philippines, there are
(22:12):
several groups is ABUSAIF group which part of its loyal
to al Qaeda, it's part of it's loyal to the
Islamic State, the more Islamic Liberation Front. All these groups,
they may be down. This is the problem with the
entire you know, war on terror is we want these
groups to be defeated because they're not openly controlling territory,
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but they exist little cellular level and they continue to
they take advantage of the of the situations. And in
the case of this they it looks like they grab
two individuals who are who had proclability to launch an
attack and they aided them in carrying out that attack.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Visiting with Bill Ragio from Long War Journal dot org
and a Foundation for the Defensive Democracies on the clam
Bucks Show. Let me take you to this scandal that
is emerging in Minnesota, and obviously you're familiar with this.
You understand you have a large Somali presence in that area.
(23:16):
The governor is saying, Okay, we lost a lot of
our money. It's a real problem. Eighteen billion or nine
billion or whatever that is. I raised this because you
talk about Huala, and is it impossible that money left
Minnesota to go to Somalia to feed some of this
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sort of effort. Because from from what I see from people,
whether it's ilhan Omar or other people, they're saying, we
have absolutely no connection to terrorism at all. It shouldn't
even be talked about. Is that Is that a Is
that a real possibility?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Bill? Oh?
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Not only is it a possible ability, it's a probability.
It's a strong probability. When the once that money is
being transferred overseas. Again, these groups they have a way
of either extorting that money or there may be individuals
and I can't you know, Look, there's a large Somali
(24:19):
cadre from the United States that has supported Shabab, which
is al Qaeda's branch in Somalia. I there was some
of the four or five Americans who served as suicide bombers, yes,
inside of Somalia. They came from the Minneapolis area. I
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remember talking to I'm not gonna say who, but an
individual who knew quite a lot about this over a
decade ago, was warning me about these problems, about problems
money being transferred. Individuals were either sympathetic or supportive. So I,
you know it, claim that not a single dime of
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that money that was stolen from the people of Minnesota,
and I would you imagine, I don't know if federal
funds are involved, but have not been people in the
United States.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
You know your tax dollars at work here. It's idly
likely that some of them.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
I'm not going to say nine billion dollars or nineteen
or eighteen billion dollars went to support you, Bob, but
if it's one percent of it, or if you're ten
percent of it, that's a lot of that money goes
a long way in a poor country like Somalia.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I'm going to tie this together with something else that
I think is important. So you were familiar with what
happened at Brown University, the shooting and that sort of
stuff that was happening. And we know it's not the
guy who did this wasn't as far as we know,
an Isis Sky or anything like that. But do the
(25:54):
ISIS fighters. Do these people pick up ideas looking at
things like this where you either or have a fifth
column that's spending time on elite campuses where they can operate,
or or they decide that they want to go and
attack very soft targets like universities and things like that.
Do they go to school and all that sort of stuff, Bill.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, they're certainly watching. You know, there's not a lot.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Different in the attack, you know, at least from the
tactical level, from the you know, the employment of that attack,
between what happened in Bonding and what happened in Brown. Right,
an individual gets a hold of weapons is radicalized in
some way. So they see this and they're looking for
individuals that they can recruit, and they recognize that if
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you can get that person, access doesn't even have to
be weapons. It doesn't have to be firearms. It could
be a knife. When we've seen knife attacks in Europe
and the United States, ramming attacks they've happened here, you know.
So there they watch and see how other INDI viduals
or groups that may not be tied to Islamic terrorist organizations,
(27:05):
but they're going to mirror those tactics. I think part
of me wonders, how much, like you know, the shooter
and at Brown, is mimicking attacks from the Islamic State
or is it the other way around? But yeah, they
certainly watch and learn to try to discover our weaknesses
and what they can do and how to exploit them.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Okay, final question for you, very generous with your time.
I always like talking to you in our last two minutes.
Where are the things that we should be paying close
attention to? What's popping up on your on your radar?
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Yeah, I would say the attack in Syria that where
two American soldiers were killed, and this was by a
member of the Syrian security forces, the Sentcom and the
US government. The Trump administration insists that this was the
Islamic State. The Islamic State never carried out that never
claimed credit for this attack. Keep in mind, if they
gave a US soldier a hang now, they would claim
(27:57):
credit for it on their propaganda. That's not a word
from them. And yet our response when this attack is
carried out by a government that used to be supposedly
used to be part of al Qaeda, it's comprised nearly
solely of his longless groups, many of them linked to
al Qaeda or directly purporting to them, and our response
(28:19):
is to target the Islamic State. There's some cover is
being provided here. Remember that Tom Barrack, the envoid is Syria,
that there is no Plan B for Syria if we
don't support Shara, the president of Siri, who used to
be al Qaeda's leader in Syria. That we you know,
there is no if we don't support him, we don't
have any other options. Meanwhile, he's going to get away
(28:41):
with killing you know, his people, killing his jihadis in
his rank and file.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Killing Americans.
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And our responses to go after the Islamic State, which
by the way, is the enemy of the Syrian government,
which is responsible for killing Americans.
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Where do people go to get more information on what
you do.
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Yeah, you can go to worjournal dot org.
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Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and let's get together again
next year, my friend. I appreciate you.
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Brett Winterbowl in for Clay and Buck. Eight hundred and
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couple people on hold. Let's jump out and talk to
Mike in Minnesota. Line one. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Hi, welcome, Merry Christmas, Brent, thank you. Yeah. I just
I'm kind of upset how conservatives they are just on
board with all these Trump's tariffs. And I just heard
the newspript where Trump or the White House just praised
how all the economic gains are due to his tariffs
or a lot of it is. And I mean, tariffs
are just a tax on top of all the other
(30:18):
taxes we pay. Nothing, nothing good can ever come out
of tariffs. And it's yeah, it's just I don't know
how I'm just like disappointed that so many conservatives are
fooled and have bought into this tariff.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well, well, if you have a tariff, right, If so, Like,
let's say you you exercise a tariff, and I exercise
a tariff, and you have to pay x amount and
I have to pay x amount, the way to get
to a fair position is for both of us to
drop the tariff, right, I mean, isn't that kind of
kind of how this is supposed to.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Let's say let's say we trade with Germany and they
impose tariffs on their people for imparts, hurting themselves. When
we impose tariffs, we're just tax asing Americans. That be
kind of foolish. It's not, you know, we need free trade,
not this fairer balance trade, which fair balance trade means
big government protectionism where the government manages economic activity. Right.
(31:17):
Because the thing is, it's a huge myth. We don't
lose a penny on the trade deficit. The word deficit
confuses a lot of people. Yeah, affectionist thinks we lose
money on trade deficits.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
But if the United States, if the United States, right,
if Donald Trump goes over and talks to the to
the chancellor in Germany, and says, hey, we want to
cut a deal. We're not going to hit you with tariffs.
You're not going to hit us with tariffs. Then it
just goes away. The reason why they erect the tariffs
to begin with is because it's to try to claw
back what the other side is taking from us. So
(31:53):
if we decide that we're going to just have tariffs,
then everybody's going to have to pay the big to
get into the club. But if we all agree to
not do that, then everything is cool. We don't do that.
There are countries who I can't think of very many
of them that are very aggressive towards the United States
at this stage of the game, because we have been
(32:16):
essentially the people who are saying, yeah, we are gonna
be it's all reciprocal, right, It's if you're twenty percent,
then we're gonna be twenty percent. Or if you're twenty percent,
we're gonna be forty percent. Then they're gonna give us
sixty percent, then we're gonna go to eighty percent. Our
market is such an important place. The marketplace that we
run is an incredible machine. Everybody wants to trade here,
(32:41):
and so we can knock back all of these tariffs
and they don't ever exist again as long as everybody's
playing ball. But if they're not playing ball, we have
we have to hit them with it, like why why
should we give anybody a free ride? Don't It doesn't
make any sense to me.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
When we impose the reciprocal tariffs, we're hurting ourselves. That's
where the disagreement is.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Right, but we're getting but they're stealing from us. Then
they don't get to sell. Then they don't get to
sell here, it's the impact. It makes total sense to me.
I appreciate the call, Thank you very much. We've got
another great hour straight ahead taking your phone calls. And
of course don't forget father Bill Nicholas is going to
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be joining us right around the corner. You're listening to
the Clay and Buck Show. Our number eight hundred two
eight two two eight eight two. I'm gonna tell you
a special story in this next hour, one that nobody knows.
You got to hear this. It is so great to
(33:43):
be with you on this day before Christmas Eve. I'm
Brett Widerble. We've got plenty more straight ahead. Enjoy this time.
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