December 24, 2025 • 33 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Clay Travis with the Clay and Buck Show, wishing you
and your family a very merry Christmas and a happy
New Year.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with US President Trump at Arlington
National Cemetery on Veterans Day. And we have a couple
of cuts from what he had to say there and
if we could play those now, that would be fantastic.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Everything we have, everything our country has achieved, has been
purchased by the muscle, spine, and steel of the United
States Military. We owe it all to the fierce and
noble men and women of the Army, the Navy, the
Air Force, Space Force, Coast Guard, and the United States Marines.
(00:57):
Is a guy of his members. Our own words are
the greatest possible tribute to their immortal valor.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Trump also Buck talked about the decision to switch back
to the Department of War, and here is what he
had to say about the necessity for that.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
From now on, we're going to be celebrating Victory Day,
the World War One, the World War II, and frankly
for everything else. Under the Trump administration, we're restoring the
pride and the winning spirit of the United States military.
That's why we have officially renamed the Department of Defense
back to the original name.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Department of War.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
And remember, we won World War One, we won World
War Two, we won everything in between. We won everything
that came before, and then we brilliantly decided to change
the name of this great thing that we all created
together other and we became politically correct. We don't like
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being politically correct, so we're not going to be politically
correct anymore from now on. When we fight a war,
we only fight for one reason, to win. We fight
to win.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay. So that's President Trump. Arlington National Cemetery, I will say,
and I don't think this has gotten enough attention, and
certainly it should because it's a very positive story here
as we celebrate Veterans Day. Buck the overall enlistment numbers
for our military has skyrocketed since Pete hag Seth has
(02:36):
gotten in there, since President Trump has taken over, and
since they've gone back to the idea of warriors. And
we want the people in the military to be in shape,
and we want them to be badasses and we want
them to be a lethal fighting force. It turns out
that that's actually a much better pitch to young men
and young women than Hey, we want to be diverse
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and inclusive and we want to make sure that you
can have your trans surgeries while you're also in military.
Young people want to be better, sharper, tougher versions of themselves,
and that's certainly coming through, I think in the renewed
vigor of our enlistment numbers.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Yeah, a spray de corps is a critical aspect of
having an effective military, of military cohesion. You have to
have belief in what it is that you are doing,
because otherwise it almost seems like an inherently irrational thing
to sign up for a job where you're saying, I
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might die doing this job. You have to believe and
you have to love something to be willing to do that.
In as we're talking about, of course, veterans day, that
is what all of our veterans are willing to do.
That is why they sign up. And yet on the
bureaucrat political side of things, they have starved to chip
(04:01):
away at that, they have started to make it seem
like there are there's a social justice experiment that is
the primary goal of our military, or the military is
a jobs program, but not really for fighting or for combat.
It's for some other purpose. Right, I'll never forget this
isn't about the military, but the the idiot former CIA
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director Brennan, who's in all kinds of trouble with Trump
and and the DOJ and everything else, he said something
like CIA doesn't steal secrets. Do you remember this? He
actually said that he was a CIA director. He's like
a CIA doesn't steal secrets. And for a lot of
us who sat there and said, no, that is that
is the fundamental. That's like saying the of the entire
of the entire That is like saying the fire department
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does not put out fires. Like this is the most
straightforward thing that you can possibly have. And and so
I think what they're doing with the military cherry, what
they're doing and how they're trying to get a vision
(05:07):
of the future going here makes a lot of sense.
And everybody that I know who has been in a
combat role or in direct support to a combat role,
that I've talked to about this, and that's I know,
this is personal. It's anecdotal. They like the direction of
this Pentagon, No, they like what's going on.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I'll also point this out, and we've got Rutherford in
Dakota meyer onto, and i'd encourage you to go subscribe
to the podcast and make sure that you're not missing
any of the Clay and Buck podcast network, including Badass
David Rutherford. One of the things since I've started doing
the show, I've gotten to meet Buck a lot more Seals,
a lot more Special Forces guys. I'm astounded by how
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humble they all are, and meaning they don't carry themselves
as if at any point in time they could kill you.
They clearly could, but you wouldn't know that these guys
are the badasses of badass dumb just by walking into
a bar. They're not the guys that are getting the
most attention for looking like tough guys at the bar,
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and they clearly are. Reminds me Buck. I remember seeing
a guy back when I was younger, when the Nashville
Predators were in town. A lot of the hockey guys
are not that big, you know, but they fight for
a living. And I remember one time seeing a Predator,
Nashville Predator player, NHL player bump into a guy at
the bar, and the guy at the bar didn't realize
(06:32):
that he was like bumping into an enforcer because he's
like five eight five nine, And it didn't go well
for the guy at the bar. You know, of all
the people that you could bump into, a guy who
fights on ice skates for a living, you definitely don't
know who you're bumping into at the bar. A lot
of times you bump into a seal you're in trouble,
and you don't even see it coming, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
There's the quote also on the Department of War issue
attributed Napoleon that in war is to the physical as
three to one, meaning the morale of your force is essential.
Morale is not just again, because this goes to your
willingness to put yourself in jeopardy of possibly dying, Yes,
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which is the essence. Unfortunately it's a human reality. The
essence of warfare is you are willing to put yourself
in situations where you can die, and morale and belief
and a sense of greater purpose has to be there
for that, and also your willingness to withstand misery even
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when death isn't necessarily at its forefront.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I mean, you go back and you read American history,
which I love to do. I'll be honest. We were
kind of joking. We talked about how you and I
don't want to camp outside. You go read, which I've
been doing recently. The great book that's out, I think
from Rick Atkinson as the author. He's working through a
trilogy of the Revolutionary War. I was reading recently about
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the Valley Forge experience. You go back and you read
about what Civil Warship soldiers did in camp, what they
put up with. You go back and read about what
happened during the during the Battle of the Bulge and
all of the chaos surrounding the winter that happened in
World War Two, what people went through even when they
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weren't necessarily directly facing death, and many of the times
they were. But I'm talking about just being constantly cold,
being constantly miserable. I don't think the average American even
comprehends it. And don't even get me started on the
decision that people made back in the day when they
were in Ireland and they were in England, and they
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were all over Europe, and they said, hey, you know
what I'm going to get on this boat for the
next six weeks, which might or might not ever make
it to land again. And you're the disease, and and
that what people put themselves through in this country. I
don't think we sit and think about it enough. And
I think to your point, the morale associated with what
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that requires, the spirit, the belief in something greater, is
transformative when you study American history in that way.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Yes, but the ability of our military to have been
as successful as it has been is tied directly to
the belief that the people who have taken up arms,
overwhelming the men who have taken up arms for this
country feel in the American experiment and this country right,
So that I think is something that the left undermines.
(09:43):
I think the Democrats in many of their policies lost
focus on and that is being restored now. But to
your point, I remember one thing that I still say
this people and they don't believe. Isn't a two out
of three casualties in the Civil War from disease? Right?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Two out of three deaths in Civil War from disease.
So another part of this is we often think of
the sacrifice because you mentioned the willingness to go through
nonsense we think of the sacrifices of people who are
charging the machine gun nests, yes, or you running across
no man's land in the First World War, or you know,
storm storming the hill at Gettysburg, right, whatever it may be.
(10:21):
But then there's also the contracting typhus in camp because
you're not with your family and you're part of a
military military effort, and that's a very real you know,
there are sacrifices, including the sacrifice of one life that
come along, that can come along with military service that
aren't in that clash of combat that we think of.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, no doubt. And to your point, especially because so
many people who were Civil War soldiers had never been
living necessarily in close proximity. This was actually one of
the benefits that some Northern troops had was they were
in city environments and so they had had viruses and
all of that run through their families already. But a
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lot of people were living in rural places at the time,
so you were rarely other than church maybe some rudimentary schooling,
you were rarely surrounded by people. And so yeah, in
the winter camp, you can imagine how the viruses just
ran roughshod through the entire camps, and how many people
died completely as a result, and some people froze to death.
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I mean again, I just think what veterans went through.
We don't spend enough time contemplating throughout all of human
history and the sacrifices that they've all made, even if
they weren't necessarily under fire every day in the midst
of the Battle of Gettysburg. Just living in those camps
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during the winter would have been brutal on a level
that most of us can't even comprehend this day. About
Valley Forge, I mean, just read about it from the
comfort of your warmly, warmly comfortable living conditions, and just
think about how brutal it would have been.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
What's the best? Do you have a favorite historical uh,
you know, historical war novel?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, Killer Angels by Michael Scherer I think is
really good. You know, he goes into I'm sure some
of you have read it, but it's about the Battle
of Gettysburg, and he goes into the minds of each
of the characters. And then his son Jeff later wrote
books that built around that. But that's probably my favorite
(12:38):
historical work of fiction. What about you? Back in the
day anything that you loved.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Oh, yeah, Gates of Fire Stephen Pressfield, about Thermopylae, Spartans
and the and.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
The I don't know anything. I'm writing that down because
I've never even heard of that book.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Oh my gosh, it is so good. It is one
of my favorite just novel fun reads of all times. Yeah,
Gates of Fire Stephen Pressfield. If you liked the movie
three hundred, you will love this book.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I'm going to go in and order it during the
break because I'm sold. I recognized when I got to
go to Italy a couple of years ago that I
had a absence of knowledge about Greek and Roman history
that I wish I didn't. And I've been trying to
read more about that era and familiarize myself with it better.
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And so that's one of my in addition to American history,
which I think I have a pretty good grasp of,
that's one of the areas of history that I think
I can get better at. So I have been focused
on it. And I want to tell you, speaking of legacy,
speaking of history, speaking of your ability to preserve the
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experience that you and your family have had over the years.
While we're spending time with family this holiday season, and
Buck is stuck in a sound booth recording his new book.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
You can listen to us on the podcast play Don't
Rub it In But That's right. Just fire up the
iHeartRadio app and kick back with the Sunday Hang guaranteed laughs,
or check out any of our other great hosts in
the Clay and Buck podcast network.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
There's so much content you won't even miss us.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
But we'll miss you and look forward to speaking with
you again in the new year.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Until then, shield time you're listening to the best of
Clay Trapvis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Welcome back in everybody celebrating Veterans Day Here on Clay
and Buck. We've got Metal Vanna recipient to Code Meyer
joining us and also got our friend Dave Brutherford, former
Navy seal, talking to us about just how we're feeling
these days with the where we're treating our veterans, respecting
our veterans, all that, and we'll talk to them a
(14:47):
little bit. Take some of your calls here, Tom in
North Carolina, Once a chavelis what's going on? Tom?
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Hey, Yeah, I was listening to Clay talking about the
Battle of the Bowl and I've got a story about patents.
I believe it was the winter of sixty nine. I
was in high school and the Colored school in our
county had integrated just the freshman class. Anyway, our teacher
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came from the Colored school, was about five foot seven, uh,
soft spoken. I heard him raise his voice one time.
Kind of a meek gentleman, but a nice teacher. One
day he uh he wasn't in school, and they told
us later that he had to go visit with the
(15:42):
crew a director in all of the movie Patton because
he was George w George Washington Taylor who drove Patten's
jeep during the Battle of the Bulch.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
That's pretty awesome. That is That is that movie, Buck,
Thank you for the call, Tom. That movie is one
of the great war movies ever made.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
The package the opening speech is one of the most
iconic movie speeches of all time.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
If you haven't seen it, and I imagine most people
have seen it. But if you haven't, if you're younger,
I think they're younger people out there that wouldn't know
about that movie. It's about as good as it gets.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Buck Sexton, here the entire Clan Buck Show, wish you
and your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful
New Year.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You're enjoying the best of program with Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
This is perhaps where get off my lawn. Buck rears
his ugly head.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
Dar.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Now you're gonna join me Anti Christmas, good luck on
the on the responses you're gonna get.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I don't care what anybody's I hate disco music if
I think, I hate disco music more than any other kind,
any other genre of music. I would rather have like weird,
like you know what's like the tribal uh like guttural
singing they do, and like Nordic countries like ah like.
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I'd rather that anything but disco music.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I would probably say R and B is my least
favorite music. Really post R and B is awful. There's
like five R and B songs that are actually popular.
I'm talking about, like you know, and they tend to
be more pop than they own.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Thugs and Harmony nothing for you than nothing not both.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Proto dogs and Harmony is is the rap mixed with
the R and B. The R and B by itself
is often just atrocious, just atrocious.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Now when they is not is not the that's not rap.
R and B.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's right, that's right. Dun harmony, Oh.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Both dunks and harmony really okay? That shows what I know.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, oh, I think that would be clearly classified as
rap if I go back in time to nineteen ninety
seven rip. I think at least one of the is
it busy? But I don't. I'm always I always hesitate
to say who's actually dead? One of the bone Thugs
and Harmony guys is dead. I don't want to pronounce
the wrong guy dead.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
But you know, according to according to AI, they straddle
the line between hip hop and R and B as
part of that's.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's only when you
move R and B close to another genre that it
becomes likable. So people out there are like, oh, I
like R and B. Most of you like R and
B when it's crossed with rap or crossed with pop
or crossed with you know, country or whatever you want
to say, whenever it's crossed with something else. Otherwise it's
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just like Tony Braxton whaling alone, is Stevie.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Wonder R and B? You heathen? No, he would be pop.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That you like? Again, that are Stevie Wonder would be
pop the true R and B. When I say R
and B, I mean like Tony Braxton, and I hope
she's still I think she's dead too, isn't she. I'm
just there's a lot of dead people out there. Apologies.
If Tony Braxton's still live, it's like the Mariah Carey
who I know is alive. It's like the Mariah Carey
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songs that you like, all the s veer towards pop
and the ones where she just is like screaming and singing.
That's awful. So anyway, I'm anti R and B. I mean,
according to Ai, I'm just going this year.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
By the way, I have to point out wherever I
can if Clay gets anything wrong between now and when
the election happens, because increasingly it is looking likely that
Kamala is going to run.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But we have awful stories out there. But Kamala was right.
We need to give we need to.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Get everybody a break from this. This is too much
of a We got the Christians music going and today
is like a big bummer of all the terrible things
happening in the world. But top R and B, according
to Ai Stevie wonder amazing. Aretha Franklin amazing, Whitney Houston,
Marvin gay Clay the worst music of all, I said,
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of all genres, I mean, I'm throwing like international whatever
in there.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I would rather listen to disco because it's upbeat and
not just again the R and B that pops, the
R and B that people like I will die on
this hill.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
It actually is not very much R and B. It
actually but what is what is like classic? What is
what is true R and B? Then if all the
R and B artists are not really R and B,
what is Beyonce? When let's use Beyonce as an example.
Beyonce will come out with an album that has I
don't know, fifteen songs.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Nine of them will.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Be actual you know ballads where she's just standing there,
you know, just singing, and then the ones that are
actually successful will be the ones where she dances and
there is a pop element associated with it. Right Like
you go back and look, if you actually listen to
most of beyonce songs, ninety percent of them are awful,
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and then she has ten that are huge crossover appeals
because they have strong hip hop elements, because they have
strong pop elements. Traditional R and B to me is
just somebody likes Houston standing there singing. I think your
definition is just like Jello here, like I try to
squeeze in one areas I'm sitting here, I'm looking at
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like Marvin Gay is an R and B artist. You
don't like Mark Like, straight up, he's an R and
B artist. You don't like Marvin Gay songs.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I don't even know that many Marvin Gay songs to
start with. Is that Let's get it on? Is that
Marvin Gay? Is that his most famous song?
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Problem?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yes, okay, yes, my argument, okay, like this is a
good one. They're saying boys to Men, Okay, I'm talking
about people in my life. Boys to Men has like
three good songs. Ever, they are still wildly popular, but
it's like Motown Philly where they have a little bit
of more hip hop flavor. The actual ballads they're awful.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
You see that. You see this? This is like it's
like dealing with a leftist when you talk to Clay
about music. All of a sudden, no, no, in my lifetime,
you're throwing that in body. I dropped that Marvin Gate
on the table, and you knew you were in trouble.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
This is where I'm one hundred percent right is Uh.
I'm also very anti musical, so I will own this.
I've never been to a musical and thought, you know what,
this is better because they sang just act like your
actors go act. I don't need your break into song.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
But R and B is if you just had to
listen to the worst most R and B like that
is just somebody standing there wailing into a mic for
twenty consecutive songs, you would it would be worse than disco.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I think so when Russell Crowe and the guy who
plays Wolverine in les Miz were like sing shouting at
each other, you weren't into that. That didn't do it
for you. Do you even know what I'm talking about? No?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I mean I know that they're like, I will only
Jack go. I will only go to a musical because
I believe that if I go to a musical. I
think South Park actually made a joke about this and
one of them that I presume my wife will sleep
with me after I go to a musical. That is
the only that I'm sitting there just thinking, well, at
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least she's gonna sleep with me after this is over.
The whole musical universe. They're all awful, and they would
all be better if they just talked.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
I'm just loud, you barbarian, you cultural barbarian, that I
don't have to explain to you that the Roquets not
really a musical. You know what I mean? The ladies
with the nice legs dancing around, that's that's, that's its
own thing.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I will admit that I can be distracted by ladies
with nice legs dancing around such that I don't notice
the awful singing. But every time they start to sing
a song, I went. I took my kids. I went
to go see Hair and I'm not an anti Broadway guy.
I went to go see the Harry Potter and the
Cursed Child. I took my kids, really really good good.
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I went to go because I'm super cultured. I went
to go see Denzel Washington and Jake gillanall in. Uh
was that Macbeth a fella?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, a Shakespeare play?
Speaker 6 (24:11):
You know Shakespeare, Clay, that guy Shakespeare, He's got some
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
She went to go see George Clooney Uh in the
in the whatever thing he was doing where he's playing
the CBS. Edward R. Murrow no singing.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Yeah, good good luck. We pretty good to save on
that one. Yeah. I a long time ago, I had
a date who demanded that I taker. I shouldn't say demanded,
but she kind of demanded that we go to Frozen
on Broadway. That was brutal. That was brutal. Didn't last,
That's all I can tell you. Didn't last. She really
wanted to go to Frozen.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
They made a movie about I mean, they made a
play about Frozen.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
It was on Broadway.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, really, I didn't even know that I missed that one. Well,
that's kind of weird.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
You make the buckster sit through some nonsense like that,
you're not long for.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
The date Broadly like version of Frozen and it's already off.
Didn't Frozen make like eight billion dollars? How did the
play not work? Like? They still have Aladdin the play.
I've seen all of these because I was with my
kids the Lion King. They did all the different play
versions on Broadway. But oh man, that's a weird chick
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that wanted you as part of a date to take
her to go see Frozen. I got taken on a
date to Headwig and the Angry Inch, and I never forgot.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Nor forgave that debacle either. I don't know if you
know what that play is about, but if you do,
you'll know what I'm talking about. Not good, not good. No,
the guy cuts off his own you know what, Clay
true story. That's the play. And there's some rock music.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, must be popular with democrats kind of their anthem
Democrat men, a lot of Democrat men, a little bit
of a metaphor there. All right, do we have to
get back now? Like No, I think we got to
open up the calls.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
I think you gotta hate the reset and talk about
like serious things and at the top and.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Say that at the top of the next hour, people
are gonna be angrier at me about my R and
B and musicals Take the top five wrong, Clay take
Top five Clay belly flop right here.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
On R and B. There's such worst genres of music
than R and B. I'm I mean, I don't love
R and B, but there are some great R and
B out there, Like Aretha Franklin is incredible. Okay, let
sin I it's not real R and B. They're pushing
it into pop. Everything you like that's actually R and
B is just pop that they have disguised as the
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R and B. Go go pull an album up and
just listen to somebody wailing.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
That is real R and B. And it's awful.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I mean, I feel like Attila the Hunt is explaining
the Sistine Chapel to me right now, like this is
just not this is just not working for me.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I was just in the Sistine Chapel. I appreciate great art.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, Assistine Chapel is very nice, very nice. See, ever
since Clay got doused with holiness, you know, now he's
just an expert on all these things.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
You know, he's ever since his high five with the Pope.
You get to hang with the Pope. You just see
the world. But the Pope agrees with me on bad
R and B.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You're listening to the best of Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Let's go
right into this, the the big controversy of the day,
Clay's take on music. We knew this was going to happen.
I thought I'd upset some disco lovers out there, but no,
Clay decided, I'm just he said, hold my beer or
maybe hold my rose. I'm going to do something even
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more inflammatory by throwing all of R and B under
the bus. This is Diana from Houston. Isn't Diana Ross?
By the way, fantas going to say, is this Diana
Ross who's got amazing? If if Arifa the Queen Franklin
herself were to send us a talkback right now, maybe
maybe a little singing CC, Diana from Houston.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
Hit it buck, Please take the shovel away from Clay.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
He's digging a deeper hole.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
The more he talks, the deeper it gets.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
You your sin, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I was gonna say, I think most people agree with me.
I think I think most people out there are, like,
you know what, Clay's right, Because R and B is
awful standing alone, they have to cross it with actual
good genres in order to make it popular.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
I just want to tell you, shovel ready, Clay is
the best clay. The clay that has that shovel and
keeps digging is like the most entertaining because once once
you goat him into it, once you give him the
off ramp from his craziness, no interest, he's going he's
gonna dig a hole the China, which you know that you're.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Right, you don't bail and I'm right on this. The
traditional R and B is a wasted genre that has
to cross pollinate with actual genres that people want to listen.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Here we go someone in North Dakota. Big surprise, Brian
wants to take Clay's side in the R and B debate.
Go ahead, put them on.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Yeah, well, no problem with that. You know the original
R and B when you get back to the Temptations
and Retha Franklin and the folks you're talking about there,
but absolutely correct. But what we moved into is just
nothing but pop and money and the screenfest. Whitney Houston
started it all. And quite honestly, if I want to
get yelled at, I'm moved back in with one of
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my ex wives.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Wait wait, wait a second, wait a second, you're throwing
Whitney is amazing, amazing voice, Buck, But her voice is
so good that she got lazy and they just said, hey,
you're going to read the phone book for eight of
your eight of your These are the worst music takes
I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I've just then we're going to cross pollinate it with
pop and we'll actually have like three songs that people
like that. Whitney Houston does, and they don't even realize
how awful most of Whitney Houston's music is clay.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Next thing, you know, you're going to throw a Manheim
steam roll under the bus. It's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I will say the Beyonce like like love Affair is well.
Hold on, I might be contradicting myself for a second.
Here is Adele.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
That would be a shock as you're running in circles
here on, that's not R and B, this is R
and B.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I will I will pull one exception out. I think
Adele is one hundred percent R and B. Would it
be fair to say, although she crosses over with pop two,
who is the most prominent current R and B artist? Beyonce?
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Oh, I don't know. I don't listen to really anything
new anymore. I listened to like a little bit of
you know, indie rock and that. That's about. That's about it.
By the way, we're getting thrown unto the bus here.
We're gonna get back into the whole third hour. We're
gonna get into pressing news and analysis therein and the
fight for Western civilization. So because we're getting some calls
about that too, Okay, we'll get back to it. It's
almost Christmas. We only talk about so much massacres, mayhem
(30:55):
and and terrorism and all these horrible things without you know,
we got to take a breather too, all right, Billy
from New York wants to throw us under the bus.
This is talkback, bb man.
Speaker 10 (31:03):
I had to get off of my ladder just to
tell you, guys, I can't believe and either of you
two none of you seen the Warriors, you guys what
I can't believe it.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
This is true.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
First of all, Billy from New York is definitely from
New York.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
I love it. I had to get off my ladder. Billy,
we love you.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
This was I think age related because this is one
where it came out in nineteen seventy nine. I think
if you looked it up, because Clay, you were just
graduating college, you clearly should have seen this. I was
born in seventy nine. Buck was born in what eighty
two eighty one, and so this is like one of
those little windows where the movie came out, like when
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we were so young that we never went back to
see it. I've never seen that movie, and I know
people were fired up about that. I think that was
Friday we had a talk back, and we had to
confess to that we.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Have we have have a gen Z podcast listener. Ryan
from Iowa wants to weigh it on the gen Z
phenomenon in politics these days.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
AA hit it Ay Clay Buckets, Ryan from Iowa. I'm
a gen Z. I just wanted to point out that
in nineteen eighty apparently it was eight hundred and fifty
dollars an ounce to get gold versus nowadays four thousand,
three hundred and thirty dollars. And in the eighties it
would be two hundred and seventy four hours at minimum
wage versus nowadays at five ninety seven hours. And that's
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why so many in my generation are falling to the
trap of socialism. The economy is just not what it was.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Well, the inflation, the inflation problem is very real and
for wage earners and people trying to build assets play
like for example, by their first home, inflation is a
big challenge.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I also think the homes have expanded monstrously since nineteen eighty.
So what we consider to be a starter home, let
me just point out in twenty twenty five starter homes
would have in any case, has been considered the largest
homes anywhere in a neighborhood back in the seventies or
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sixties or fifties, if you see some of the size
of those homes historically, so, I think it's also an
expectation of how much bigger a home needs to be
Clay Travis with the Clay and Buck Show, wishing you
and your family a very merry Christmas and a happy
New Year.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with US President Trump at Arlington
National Cemetery on Veterans Day. And we have a couple
of cuts from what he had to say there and
if we could play those now, that would be fantastic.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Everything we have, everything our country has achieved, has been
purchased by the muscle, spine, and steel of the United
States Military. We owe it all to the fierce and
noble men and women of the Army, the Navy, the
Air Force, Space Force, Coast Guard, and the United States Marines.
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Is a guy of his members. Our own words are
the greatest possible tribute to their immortal valor.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Trump also Buck talked about the decision to switch back
to the Department of War, and here is what he
had to say about the necessity for that.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
From now on, we're going to be celebrating Victory Day,
the World War One, the World War II, and frankly
for everything else. Under the Trump administration, we're restoring the
pride and the winning spirit of the United States military.
That's why we have officially renamed the Department of Defense
back to the original name.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Department of War.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
And remember, we won World War One, we won World
War Two, we won everything in between. We won everything
that came before, and then we brilliantly decided to change
the name of this great thing that we all created
together other and we became politically correct. We don't like
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being politically correct, so we're not going to be politically
correct anymore from now on. When we fight a war,
we only fight for one reason, to win. We fight
to win.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay. So that's President Trump. Arlington National Cemetery, I will say,
and I don't think this has gotten enough attention, and
certainly it should because it's a very positive story here
as we celebrate Veterans Day. Buck the overall enlistment numbers
for our military has skyrocketed since Pete hag Seth has
(02:36):
gotten in there, since President Trump has taken over, and
since they've gone back to the idea of warriors. And
we want the people in the military to be in shape,
and we want them to be badasses and we want
them to be a lethal fighting force. It turns out
that that's actually a much better pitch to young men
and young women than Hey, we want to be diverse
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and inclusive and we want to make sure that you
can have your trans surgeries while you're also in military.
Young people want to be better, sharper, tougher versions of themselves,
and that's certainly coming through, I think in the renewed
vigor of our enlistment numbers.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Yeah, a spray de corps is a critical aspect of
having an effective military, of military cohesion. You have to
have belief in what it is that you are doing,
because otherwise it almost seems like an inherently irrational thing
to sign up for a job where you're saying, I
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might die doing this job. You have to believe and
you have to love something to be willing to do that.
In as we're talking about, of course, veterans day, that
is what all of our veterans are willing to do.
That is why they sign up. And yet on the
bureaucrat political side of things, they have starved to chip
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away at that, they have started to make it seem
like there are there's a social justice experiment that is
the primary goal of our military, or the military is
a jobs program, but not really for fighting or for combat.
It's for some other purpose. Right, I'll never forget this
isn't about the military, but the the idiot former CIA
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director Brennan, who's in all kinds of trouble with Trump
and and the DOJ and everything else, he said something
like CIA doesn't steal secrets. Do you remember this? He
actually said that he was a CIA director. He's like
a CIA doesn't steal secrets. And for a lot of
us who sat there and said, no, that is that
is the fundamental. That's like saying the of the entire
of the entire That is like saying the fire department
(04:46):
does not put out fires. Like this is the most
straightforward thing that you can possibly have. And and so
I think what they're doing with the military cherry, what
they're doing and how they're trying to get a vision
(05:07):
of the future going here makes a lot of sense.
And everybody that I know who has been in a
combat role or in direct support to a combat role,
that I've talked to about this, and that's I know,
this is personal. It's anecdotal. They like the direction of
this Pentagon, No, they like what's going on.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I'll also point this out, and we've got Rutherford in
Dakota meyer onto, and i'd encourage you to go subscribe
to the podcast and make sure that you're not missing
any of the Clay and Buck podcast network, including Badass
David Rutherford. One of the things since I've started doing
the show, I've gotten to meet Buck a lot more Seals,
a lot more Special Forces guys. I'm astounded by how
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humble they all are, and meaning they don't carry themselves
as if at any point in time they could kill you.
They clearly could, but you wouldn't know that these guys
are the badasses of badass dumb just by walking into
a bar. They're not the guys that are getting the
most attention for looking like tough guys at the bar,
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and they clearly are. Reminds me Buck. I remember seeing
a guy back when I was younger, when the Nashville
Predators were in town. A lot of the hockey guys
are not that big, you know, but they fight for
a living. And I remember one time seeing a Predator,
Nashville Predator player, NHL player bump into a guy at
the bar, and the guy at the bar didn't realize
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that he was like bumping into an enforcer because he's
like five eight five nine, And it didn't go well
for the guy at the bar. You know, of all
the people that you could bump into, a guy who
fights on ice skates for a living, you definitely don't
know who you're bumping into at the bar. A lot
of times you bump into a seal you're in trouble,
and you don't even see it coming, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
There's the quote also on the Department of War issue
attributed Napoleon that in war is to the physical as
three to one, meaning the morale of your force is essential.
Morale is not just again, because this goes to your
willingness to put yourself in jeopardy of possibly dying, Yes,
(07:18):
which is the essence. Unfortunately it's a human reality. The
essence of warfare is you are willing to put yourself
in situations where you can die, and morale and belief
and a sense of greater purpose has to be there
for that, and also your willingness to withstand misery even
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when death isn't necessarily at its forefront.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I mean, you go back and you read American history,
which I love to do. I'll be honest. We were
kind of joking. We talked about how you and I
don't want to camp outside. You go read, which I've
been doing recently. The great book that's out, I think
from Rick Atkinson as the author. He's working through a
trilogy of the Revolutionary War. I was reading recently about
(08:03):
the Valley Forge experience. You go back and you read
about what Civil Warship soldiers did in camp, what they
put up with. You go back and read about what
happened during the during the Battle of the Bulge and
all of the chaos surrounding the winter that happened in
World War Two, what people went through even when they
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weren't necessarily directly facing death, and many of the times
they were. But I'm talking about just being constantly cold,
being constantly miserable. I don't think the average American even
comprehends it. And don't even get me started on the
decision that people made back in the day when they
were in Ireland and they were in England, and they
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were all over Europe, and they said, hey, you know
what I'm going to get on this boat for the
next six weeks, which might or might not ever make
it to land again. And you're the disease, and and
that what people put themselves through in this country. I
don't think we sit and think about it enough. And
I think to your point, the morale associated with what
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that requires, the spirit, the belief in something greater, is
transformative when you study American history in that way.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Yes, but the ability of our military to have been
as successful as it has been is tied directly to
the belief that the people who have taken up arms,
overwhelming the men who have taken up arms for this
country feel in the American experiment and this country right,
So that I think is something that the left undermines.
(09:43):
I think the Democrats in many of their policies lost
focus on and that is being restored now. But to
your point, I remember one thing that I still say
this people and they don't believe. Isn't a two out
of three casualties in the Civil War from disease? Right?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Two out of three deaths in Civil War from disease.
So another part of this is we often think of
the sacrifice because you mentioned the willingness to go through
nonsense we think of the sacrifices of people who are
charging the machine gun nests, yes, or you running across
no man's land in the First World War, or you know,
storm storming the hill at Gettysburg, right, whatever it may be.
(10:21):
But then there's also the contracting typhus in camp because
you're not with your family and you're part of a
military military effort, and that's a very real you know,
there are sacrifices, including the sacrifice of one life that
come along, that can come along with military service that
aren't in that clash of combat that we think of.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, no doubt. And to your point, especially because so
many people who were Civil War soldiers had never been
living necessarily in close proximity. This was actually one of
the benefits that some Northern troops had was they were
in city environments and so they had had viruses and
all of that run through their families already. But a
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lot of people were living in rural places at the time,
so you were rarely other than church maybe some rudimentary schooling,
you were rarely surrounded by people. And so yeah, in
the winter camp, you can imagine how the viruses just
ran roughshod through the entire camps, and how many people
died completely as a result, and some people froze to death.
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I mean again, I just think what veterans went through.
We don't spend enough time contemplating throughout all of human
history and the sacrifices that they've all made, even if
they weren't necessarily under fire every day in the midst
of the Battle of Gettysburg. Just living in those camps
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during the winter would have been brutal on a level
that most of us can't even comprehend this day. About
Valley Forge, I mean, just read about it from the
comfort of your warmly, warmly comfortable living conditions, and just
think about how brutal it would have been.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
What's the best? Do you have a favorite historical uh,
you know, historical war novel?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, Killer Angels by Michael Scherer I think is
really good. You know, he goes into I'm sure some
of you have read it, but it's about the Battle
of Gettysburg, and he goes into the minds of each
of the characters. And then his son Jeff later wrote
books that built around that. But that's probably my favorite
(12:38):
historical work of fiction. What about you? Back in the
day anything that you loved.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Oh, yeah, Gates of Fire Stephen Pressfield, about Thermopylae, Spartans
and the and.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
The I don't know anything. I'm writing that down because
I've never even heard of that book.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Oh my gosh, it is so good. It is one
of my favorite just novel fun reads of all times. Yeah,
Gates of Fire Stephen Pressfield. If you liked the movie
three hundred, you will love this book.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I'm going to go in and order it during the
break because I'm sold. I recognized when I got to
go to Italy a couple of years ago that I
had a absence of knowledge about Greek and Roman history
that I wish I didn't. And I've been trying to
read more about that era and familiarize myself with it better.
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And so that's one of my in addition to American history,
which I think I have a pretty good grasp of,
that's one of the areas of history that I think
I can get better at. So I have been focused
on it. And I want to tell you, speaking of legacy,
speaking of history, speaking of your ability to preserve the
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experience that you and your family have had over the years.
While we're spending time with family this holiday season, and
Buck is stuck in a sound booth recording his new book.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
You can listen to us on the podcast play Don't
Rub it In But That's right. Just fire up the
iHeartRadio app and kick back with the Sunday Hang guaranteed laughs,
or check out any of our other great hosts in
the Clay and Buck podcast network.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
There's so much content you won't even miss us.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
But we'll miss you and look forward to speaking with
you again in the new year.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Until then, shield time you're listening to the best of
Clay Trapvis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Welcome back in everybody celebrating Veterans Day Here on Clay
and Buck. We've got Metal Vanna recipient to Code Meyer
joining us and also got our friend Dave Brutherford, former
Navy seal, talking to us about just how we're feeling
these days with the where we're treating our veterans, respecting
our veterans, all that, and we'll talk to them a
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little bit. Take some of your calls here, Tom in
North Carolina, Once a chavelis what's going on? Tom?
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Hey, Yeah, I was listening to Clay talking about the
Battle of the Bowl and I've got a story about patents.
I believe it was the winter of sixty nine. I
was in high school and the Colored school in our
county had integrated just the freshman class. Anyway, our teacher
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came from the Colored school, was about five foot seven, uh,
soft spoken. I heard him raise his voice one time.
Kind of a meek gentleman, but a nice teacher. One
day he uh he wasn't in school, and they told
us later that he had to go visit with the
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crew a director in all of the movie Patton because
he was George w George Washington Taylor who drove Patten's
jeep during the Battle of the Bulch.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
That's pretty awesome. That is That is that movie, Buck,
Thank you for the call, Tom. That movie is one
of the great war movies ever made.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
The package the opening speech is one of the most
iconic movie speeches of all time.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
If you haven't seen it, and I imagine most people
have seen it. But if you haven't, if you're younger,
I think they're younger people out there that wouldn't know
about that movie. It's about as good as it gets.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Buck Sexton, here the entire Clan Buck Show, wish you
and your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful
New Year.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You're enjoying the best of program with Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
This is perhaps where get off my lawn. Buck rears
his ugly head.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
Dar.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Now you're gonna join me Anti Christmas, good luck on
the on the responses you're gonna get.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I don't care what anybody's I hate disco music if
I think, I hate disco music more than any other kind,
any other genre of music. I would rather have like weird,
like you know what's like the tribal uh like guttural
singing they do, and like Nordic countries like ah like.
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I'd rather that anything but disco music.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I would probably say R and B is my least
favorite music. Really post R and B is awful. There's
like five R and B songs that are actually popular.
I'm talking about, like you know, and they tend to
be more pop than they own.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Thugs and Harmony nothing for you than nothing not both.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Proto dogs and Harmony is is the rap mixed with
the R and B. The R and B by itself
is often just atrocious, just atrocious.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Now when they is not is not the that's not rap.
R and B.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's right, that's right. Dun harmony, Oh.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Both dunks and harmony really okay? That shows what I know.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, oh, I think that would be clearly classified as
rap if I go back in time to nineteen ninety
seven rip. I think at least one of the is
it busy? But I don't. I'm always I always hesitate
to say who's actually dead? One of the bone Thugs
and Harmony guys is dead. I don't want to pronounce
the wrong guy dead.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
But you know, according to according to AI, they straddle
the line between hip hop and R and B as
part of that's.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's only when you
move R and B close to another genre that it
becomes likable. So people out there are like, oh, I
like R and B. Most of you like R and
B when it's crossed with rap or crossed with pop
or crossed with you know, country or whatever you want
to say, whenever it's crossed with something else. Otherwise it's
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just like Tony Braxton whaling alone, is Stevie.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Wonder R and B? You heathen? No, he would be pop.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That you like? Again, that are Stevie Wonder would be
pop the true R and B. When I say R
and B, I mean like Tony Braxton, and I hope
she's still I think she's dead too, isn't she. I'm
just there's a lot of dead people out there. Apologies.
If Tony Braxton's still live, it's like the Mariah Carey
who I know is alive. It's like the Mariah Carey
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songs that you like, all the s veer towards pop
and the ones where she just is like screaming and singing.
That's awful. So anyway, I'm anti R and B. I mean,
according to Ai, I'm just going this year.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
By the way, I have to point out wherever I
can if Clay gets anything wrong between now and when
the election happens, because increasingly it is looking likely that
Kamala is going to run.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But we have awful stories out there. But Kamala was right.
We need to give we need to.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Get everybody a break from this. This is too much
of a We got the Christians music going and today
is like a big bummer of all the terrible things
happening in the world. But top R and B, according
to Ai Stevie wonder amazing. Aretha Franklin amazing, Whitney Houston,
Marvin gay Clay the worst music of all, I said,
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of all genres, I mean, I'm throwing like international whatever
in there.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I would rather listen to disco because it's upbeat and
not just again the R and B that pops, the
R and B that people like I will die on
this hill.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
It actually is not very much R and B. It
actually but what is what is like classic? What is
what is true R and B? Then if all the
R and B artists are not really R and B,
what is Beyonce? When let's use Beyonce as an example.
Beyonce will come out with an album that has I
don't know, fifteen songs.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Nine of them will.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Be actual you know ballads where she's just standing there,
you know, just singing, and then the ones that are
actually successful will be the ones where she dances and
there is a pop element associated with it. Right Like
you go back and look, if you actually listen to
most of beyonce songs, ninety percent of them are awful,
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and then she has ten that are huge crossover appeals
because they have strong hip hop elements, because they have
strong pop elements. Traditional R and B to me is
just somebody likes Houston standing there singing. I think your
definition is just like Jello here, like I try to
squeeze in one areas I'm sitting here, I'm looking at
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like Marvin Gay is an R and B artist. You
don't like Mark Like, straight up, he's an R and
B artist. You don't like Marvin Gay songs.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I don't even know that many Marvin Gay songs to
start with. Is that Let's get it on? Is that
Marvin Gay? Is that his most famous song?
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Problem?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yes, okay, yes, my argument, okay, like this is a
good one. They're saying boys to Men, Okay, I'm talking
about people in my life. Boys to Men has like
three good songs. Ever, they are still wildly popular, but
it's like Motown Philly where they have a little bit
of more hip hop flavor. The actual ballads they're awful.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
You see that. You see this? This is like it's
like dealing with a leftist when you talk to Clay
about music. All of a sudden, no, no, in my lifetime,
you're throwing that in body. I dropped that Marvin Gate
on the table, and you knew you were in trouble.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
This is where I'm one hundred percent right is Uh.
I'm also very anti musical, so I will own this.
I've never been to a musical and thought, you know what,
this is better because they sang just act like your
actors go act. I don't need your break into song.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
But R and B is if you just had to
listen to the worst most R and B like that
is just somebody standing there wailing into a mic for
twenty consecutive songs, you would it would be worse than disco.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I think so when Russell Crowe and the guy who
plays Wolverine in les Miz were like sing shouting at
each other, you weren't into that. That didn't do it
for you. Do you even know what I'm talking about? No?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I mean I know that they're like, I will only
Jack go. I will only go to a musical because
I believe that if I go to a musical. I
think South Park actually made a joke about this and
one of them that I presume my wife will sleep
with me after I go to a musical. That is
the only that I'm sitting there just thinking, well, at
(23:18):
least she's gonna sleep with me after this is over.
The whole musical universe. They're all awful, and they would
all be better if they just talked.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
I'm just loud, you barbarian, you cultural barbarian, that I
don't have to explain to you that the Roquets not
really a musical. You know what I mean? The ladies
with the nice legs dancing around, that's that's, that's its
own thing.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I will admit that I can be distracted by ladies
with nice legs dancing around such that I don't notice
the awful singing. But every time they start to sing
a song, I went. I took my kids. I went
to go see Hair and I'm not an anti Broadway guy.
I went to go see the Harry Potter and the
Cursed Child. I took my kids, really really good good.
(24:00):
I went to go because I'm super cultured. I went
to go see Denzel Washington and Jake gillanall in. Uh
was that Macbeth a fella?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, a Shakespeare play?
Speaker 6 (24:11):
You know Shakespeare, Clay, that guy Shakespeare, He's got some
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
She went to go see George Clooney Uh in the
in the whatever thing he was doing where he's playing
the CBS. Edward R. Murrow no singing.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Yeah, good good luck. We pretty good to save on
that one. Yeah. I a long time ago, I had
a date who demanded that I taker. I shouldn't say demanded,
but she kind of demanded that we go to Frozen
on Broadway. That was brutal. That was brutal. Didn't last,
That's all I can tell you. Didn't last. She really
wanted to go to Frozen.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
They made a movie about I mean, they made a
play about Frozen.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
It was on Broadway.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, really, I didn't even know that I missed that one. Well,
that's kind of weird.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
You make the buckster sit through some nonsense like that,
you're not long for.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
The date Broadly like version of Frozen and it's already off.
Didn't Frozen make like eight billion dollars? How did the
play not work? Like? They still have Aladdin the play.
I've seen all of these because I was with my
kids the Lion King. They did all the different play
versions on Broadway. But oh man, that's a weird chick
(25:19):
that wanted you as part of a date to take
her to go see Frozen. I got taken on a
date to Headwig and the Angry Inch, and I never forgot.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Nor forgave that debacle either. I don't know if you
know what that play is about, but if you do,
you'll know what I'm talking about. Not good, not good. No,
the guy cuts off his own you know what, Clay
true story. That's the play. And there's some rock music.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, must be popular with democrats kind of their anthem
Democrat men, a lot of Democrat men, a little bit
of a metaphor there. All right, do we have to
get back now? Like No, I think we got to
open up the calls.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
I think you gotta hate the reset and talk about
like serious things and at the top and.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Say that at the top of the next hour, people
are gonna be angrier at me about my R and
B and musicals Take the top five wrong, Clay take
Top five Clay belly flop right here.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
On R and B. There's such worst genres of music
than R and B. I'm I mean, I don't love
R and B, but there are some great R and
B out there, Like Aretha Franklin is incredible. Okay, let
sin I it's not real R and B. They're pushing
it into pop. Everything you like that's actually R and
B is just pop that they have disguised as the
(26:39):
R and B. Go go pull an album up and
just listen to somebody wailing.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
That is real R and B. And it's awful.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I mean, I feel like Attila the Hunt is explaining
the Sistine Chapel to me right now, like this is
just not this is just not working for me.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I was just in the Sistine Chapel. I appreciate great art.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, Assistine Chapel is very nice, very nice. See, ever
since Clay got doused with holiness, you know, now he's
just an expert on all these things.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
You know, he's ever since his high five with the Pope.
You get to hang with the Pope. You just see
the world. But the Pope agrees with me on bad
R and B.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You're listening to the best of Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Let's go
right into this, the the big controversy of the day,
Clay's take on music. We knew this was going to happen.
I thought I'd upset some disco lovers out there, but no,
Clay decided, I'm just he said, hold my beer or
maybe hold my rose. I'm going to do something even
(27:40):
more inflammatory by throwing all of R and B under
the bus. This is Diana from Houston. Isn't Diana Ross?
By the way, fantas going to say, is this Diana
Ross who's got amazing? If if Arifa the Queen Franklin
herself were to send us a talkback right now, maybe
maybe a little singing CC, Diana from Houston.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
Hit it buck, Please take the shovel away from Clay.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
He's digging a deeper hole.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
The more he talks, the deeper it gets.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
You your sin, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I was gonna say, I think most people agree with me.
I think I think most people out there are, like,
you know what, Clay's right, Because R and B is
awful standing alone, they have to cross it with actual
good genres in order to make it popular.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
I just want to tell you, shovel ready, Clay is
the best clay. The clay that has that shovel and
keeps digging is like the most entertaining because once once
you goat him into it, once you give him the
off ramp from his craziness, no interest, he's going he's
gonna dig a hole the China, which you know that you're.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Right, you don't bail and I'm right on this. The
traditional R and B is a wasted genre that has
to cross pollinate with actual genres that people want to listen.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Here we go someone in North Dakota. Big surprise, Brian
wants to take Clay's side in the R and B debate.
Go ahead, put them on.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Yeah, well, no problem with that. You know the original
R and B when you get back to the Temptations
and Retha Franklin and the folks you're talking about there,
but absolutely correct. But what we moved into is just
nothing but pop and money and the screenfest. Whitney Houston
started it all. And quite honestly, if I want to
get yelled at, I'm moved back in with one of
(29:27):
my ex wives.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Wait wait, wait a second, wait a second, you're throwing
Whitney is amazing, amazing voice, Buck, But her voice is
so good that she got lazy and they just said, hey,
you're going to read the phone book for eight of
your eight of your These are the worst music takes
I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I've just then we're going to cross pollinate it with
pop and we'll actually have like three songs that people
like that. Whitney Houston does, and they don't even realize
how awful most of Whitney Houston's music is clay.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Next thing, you know, you're going to throw a Manheim
steam roll under the bus. It's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I will say the Beyonce like like love Affair is well.
Hold on, I might be contradicting myself for a second.
Here is Adele.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
That would be a shock as you're running in circles
here on, that's not R and B, this is R
and B.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I will I will pull one exception out. I think
Adele is one hundred percent R and B. Would it
be fair to say, although she crosses over with pop two,
who is the most prominent current R and B artist? Beyonce?
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Oh, I don't know. I don't listen to really anything
new anymore. I listened to like a little bit of
you know, indie rock and that. That's about. That's about it.
By the way, we're getting thrown unto the bus here.
We're gonna get back into the whole third hour. We're
gonna get into pressing news and analysis therein and the
fight for Western civilization. So because we're getting some calls
about that too, Okay, we'll get back to it. It's
almost Christmas. We only talk about so much massacres, mayhem
(30:55):
and and terrorism and all these horrible things without you know,
we got to take a breather too, all right, Billy
from New York wants to throw us under the bus.
This is talkback, bb man.
Speaker 10 (31:03):
I had to get off of my ladder just to
tell you, guys, I can't believe and either of you
two none of you seen the Warriors, you guys what
I can't believe it.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
This is true.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
First of all, Billy from New York is definitely from
New York.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
I love it. I had to get off my ladder. Billy,
we love you.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
This was I think age related because this is one
where it came out in nineteen seventy nine. I think
if you looked it up, because Clay, you were just
graduating college, you clearly should have seen this. I was
born in seventy nine. Buck was born in what eighty
two eighty one, and so this is like one of
those little windows where the movie came out, like when
(31:47):
we were so young that we never went back to
see it. I've never seen that movie, and I know
people were fired up about that. I think that was
Friday we had a talk back, and we had to
confess to that we.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Have we have have a gen Z podcast listener. Ryan
from Iowa wants to weigh it on the gen Z
phenomenon in politics these days.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
AA hit it Ay Clay Buckets, Ryan from Iowa. I'm
a gen Z. I just wanted to point out that
in nineteen eighty apparently it was eight hundred and fifty
dollars an ounce to get gold versus nowadays four thousand,
three hundred and thirty dollars. And in the eighties it
would be two hundred and seventy four hours at minimum
wage versus nowadays at five ninety seven hours. And that's
(32:29):
why so many in my generation are falling to the
trap of socialism. The economy is just not what it was.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Well, the inflation, the inflation problem is very real and
for wage earners and people trying to build assets play
like for example, by their first home, inflation is a
big challenge.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I also think the homes have expanded monstrously since nineteen eighty.
So what we consider to be a starter home, let
me just point out in twenty twenty five starter homes
would have in any case, has been considered the largest
homes anywhere in a neighborhood back in the seventies or
(33:07):
sixties or fifties, if you see some of the size
of those homes historically, so, I think it's also an
expectation of how much bigger a home needs to be
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