January 1, 2026 • 32 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. A lot of you
coming out of Thanksgiving holiday. Maybe there were conversations that
you had with people who hated President Trump. Maybe you've
had had them in the past over the last decade.
Maybe you have friends and family that you have lost
(00:28):
potentially because they have become so deranged when it comes
to President Trump and the way that they see him.
I read in the Wall Street Journal a great write
up on Trump derangement syndrome from our current guest Jonathan
Albert as almost its own psychiatric psychological diagnosis, and we said, okay,
(00:53):
we got to get this guy on and he is
now with us. This is Jonathan Albert. I loved your piece.
For people who have not read it. You're a psychotherapist
New York and DC, and you've got a book called
Therapy Nation about all the different aspects of therapy going on.
But when you see people who, it appears, frankly do
(01:16):
have Trump derangement syndrome, is that a real thing? Kind
of take people through the argument that you made in
the Wall Street Journal editorial.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, and play great to be here. It's not a
real thing. However, it probably should be a real thing.
But I don't think we'll ever see it in the DSM,
which is sort of the bible of psychiatric disorders in
my profession. But what I have seen is quite troubling
with seeing families split up, with seeing people obsessed with Trump.
(01:49):
They're hyper fixated on Trump, and frankly is ruining their
mental health. And I would go so far as to
call it a in some ways a mental health epidemic
that's folks or revolves around Trump. And I don't care
if it's Trump or Biden or Harris or anyone. If
you're that hyper fixated on a figure, you need to
(02:10):
check in with a therapist, someone like may.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Now Jonathan appreciates you being with us. It's buck the
what would be the the things to look for where
someone I mean, you said things like hyper fixated. You know,
what are some of the the red lines that somebody
would want to look at where something goes from just
being a very perhaps over zealous belief or very over
(02:37):
zealous thoughts about in this case a politician, to where
it actually is clinical because what I see myself as
a non medical, non psychoanalyst is a lot of people
who have a bizarre, irrational and really delusional fear themselves personally.
Like I know people who lose truly loosely night. I mean,
(03:01):
they've told me this because they're worried that Trump is
going to just pull them off that Like Trump is
going to have people pull them off the street and
throw them into a sell somewhere for no reason. Like
how different is that from somebody who's a you know,
a gloraphobic or something.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, and Buckett's it's not too different if you're at
the point where you are losing sleep over our president,
or if you, like some of my patients can't enjoy
a vacation because quote, how can I possibly relax and
enjoy a vacation knowing that Trump's in office. You're sick,
You've got issues. And similar to other mental health issues
(03:38):
that we see, whether it's OCD or anxiety disorders, it
disrupts a person's life. It appairs relationships, whether it's romantic
relationships or work relationships or friendships. This is when it
rises to the level of pathologic and that's where I
become greatly concerned. And if you look back over the
past decade, when Trump first entered our world as a politician,
(04:04):
I mean, I had patients who were ready to flee
the country. I actually know some who did flee the country,
and I would remind them that the fact that you
can get out there and protest, even in front of
Trump's house, is a good reason to stay here. But
the problem is people aren't looking at this in a
rational way. They're quite irrational. They do think that Trump
(04:25):
is going to round people up and send them off
to a island somewhere. They think that Trump is a Nazi.
So I've heard all sorts of outrageous statements like that,
and as a therapist, I try to confront them and
help them see things rationally, and with some of those
people unsuccessful, and others, frankly, I'm not how do.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You handle people in your friend or family circle that
are just crazy and are suffering from this?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I mean, because I think that is probably something that
a lot of people out there, particularly in the social media.
I mean, I grew up. I remember my grandma saying
you never talk about politics or religion. Now, certainly people
talk about politics all the time, particularly on social media.
So you may just come across it on Facebook, or
you may come across it, like I said, in your
(05:15):
own family or in Thanksgiving. How do you handle people
that are, in your opinion, meaning the family member truly
gone crazy over the Trump situation. I'll give an example.
This is not Trump directly. We had a family member
that a younger I don't want to get too specifical,
but celebrated on social media Charlie Kirk getting shot and
(05:39):
I was stunned. I couldn't believe it. Maybe some of
you have had, you know, in your larger family circles,
things like that happen. How do you handle people who
are dealing with this that seem unwell to you? What
should you do as a person if that's in your
friend or family circle.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, and witness people who were celebrating the horrific murder
of Charlie Kirk. I told the story of overhearing two
cashiers at Trader Joe's talking about it and celebrating it.
And what's happened is people have demonized figures, whether it's
Kirk or Trump, and they've learned to hate them, and
(06:20):
they feel like it's their duty to take them out.
But when you have a family member that's speaking like that,
I think you need to try to confront them. I
think you need to ask them, you know, why do
you feel like it's your duty to take this person
out or demonize this person or speak ill of the person.
You know, it's not healthy for them to be consumed
(06:44):
by that figure. So, you know, I think you can
try to gently confront them, see how they react, See
if you can work with them in that way. Other
people are beyond repair and they'll believe what they want
to believe. The other problem that we're seeing that you
mentioned is social media. People are in these echo chambers.
(07:05):
They only surround themselves with one opinion. They feel that
the world is conspiring against them. So we've got a
lot of work to do if we're going to try
to get back to what we saw in the eighties.
After Reagan was shot, his surgeon famously said, today, mister President,
(07:26):
we're all Republicans, but wouldn't it be great to get
back to a time like that?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yeah, I'm wondering also where the mental health profession is
on this more broadly, And I would just say this,
I am aware sir, that your profession is based on
the numbers and the data. I believe the single most,
the single most left wing medical profession that is out there.
(07:56):
Is that really the reason why there is more of
a push to treat Trump arrangement syndrome, even if they're
not going to name it, to treat it as an
anxiety disorder. I mean, I wonder how many psychiatrists have
Trump arrangement syndrome. If I can just put a point
on this, well, buck.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Let me put it this way. Since my Wall Street
Journal piece came out and since appearing on Fox TV,
I've received too many to count hate emails from my
colleagues from therapists wishing me dead, labeling me a pedophile, protector,
absolutely unhinged, vile emails from licensed mental health professionals. So
(08:39):
that tells you what you need to know about my profession,
and you're right, it's dominated by liberals. But that said,
I also received very supportive emails from colleagues, so I
think there are probably some closeted conservative therapists out there.
But yeah, I mean, we have people who I think
(09:00):
I'm absolutely crazy because I'm identifying a trend that a
seen over the past decade, and I genuinely care about
these people's mental health, the people that I'm seeing, and
would like them to start to be healthier and look
at things in a more rational manner.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
We're talking to Jonathan Albert. I'm curious one of the
big discussions here. Trump came down the escalator twenty fifteen,
So we've had a decade of Trump derangement syndrome. Do
you believe that this syndrome, to the extent that it exists,
that is uniquely focused on Trump, does it translate to
(09:39):
or transfer to other Republicans in a post Trump era?
What will these people when Trump exits the stage, as
he will in January of twenty twenty nine, What do
you think is likely to happen to their mental health
at that point in time.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Well, it'd be shocked if that suddenly improved on Trump
left office. I think there are some people out there
that always need an object, a person to hate, and
if it's not Trump, it might be Rubio or jd
or whoever may may take over in twenty twenty eight.
So I do think these people need something to hate,
(10:17):
and we're actually seeing this play out in New York,
where I am the anti Israel protests have ended, and
now I think over the weekend we saw several anti
ice protests. So there are some people who always need
to be fighting and need what they perceive as a
cause to fight for. And we'll see what happens in
(10:40):
a few years.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It is interesting because I we appreciate your time. I
was watching a video somebody put together a compilation buck,
I should have sent it to you two of all
these people like losing their minds to protest in favor
of BLM five years ago, and all the crazy videos
they were making and everything else. And then you know,
it's kind of a joke, but the same people took
the BLM slogan and then had the Ukraine flag in
(11:05):
their profile. Do you see that? As people have some
sort of absence in their life and so they are
constantly seeking the next thing, whatever it is, wear a mask,
get a shot, Like there's jumping from one sort of
social obsession to another. Has that become more prevalent? I
think in a social media age it.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Has, And probably before BLM we saw Occupy Wall Street
way back. So yeah, yes, and they probably have an
emptiness or disdain in their life for something and they
just want to be part of a cause, and I
think these causes, whether it's Occupy Wall Street or Israel,
(11:49):
Anti Israel or BLM, it's like a big group therapy
session that amounts to absolutely nothing that's not making these
people healthier. I'll share a story with you after one
of the No Kings riots, I was walking around Manhattan
admiring the heaping high pile of anti Trump signs, and
(12:13):
someone came up to me and said, isn't this beautiful?
And I said not really, I kind of support our
president and think he's doing a good job. And she
went absolutely not and started cursing me, not even knowing
who I was. Much like the emails that I'm getting
from these strangers since my Wall Street journal piece hit,
(12:34):
I can't imagine sending a stranger that I may see
on TV and email telling them how much I hate them.
But that might be the difference between someone with a
rational mind and an air rational mind.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
How do we get more right wing mental health professionals?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know? I wish I knew. I'm part of a
small group of conservative therapists who are fed up with
the woke, and that's infiltrated our profession. My forthcoming book,
Therapy Nation, does touch on this how our graduate programs,
our profession are just dominated by social justice warriors. So
(13:16):
I think the more people like me that can get
out there and who aren't afraid to speak their mind
and be okay with conservative values and put their thoughts
out there, the better we'll be as a nation. The
healthier will be and will be far less divided.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Thank you, Jonathan Albert. I encourage people to check out
the book and we will share that Wall Street Journal
editorial you wrote as some people may be dealing with
some of this in the post Thanksgiving Aaron, which we
currently live. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, thank you very much. Take care.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Play Travis with the Clay and Buck Show, wishing you
and your family of very mary Christmas and happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Buck Sexton. Here, the entire Clan Buck Show wish you
and your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful
New year.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
You're listening to the best of Clay Trappis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Clay, there are some unhappy people when it comes to
your music takes.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I know this is one hundred percent justified. I don't
know anything about music, and all of you who are
about to tee off on me that Buck is gonna play.
I deserve it all. I'm just gonna take my beating.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
We got gg Let's go Gigi first, Tampa Toad, he
calls us. Let's hear it, hey, play, let's take the sports.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Let Buck talk about the music of the eighties.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
It's real simple. There's a lot of great music in
the eighties. The eighties might be the greatest music decade.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Next to the seventies of all time.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
But the greatest song is.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Toto's Africa Africa by Toto.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Every time I hear it on the radio station, I
just smile.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's a great.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Song, Solids. I'd put it in top ten. Play is
gonna just I think he'll defer because I'm not even
sure he knows Toto from Africa. Not gonna take a
lot to drag play away from Toto. We have aa
a little heat for me. Chris from another Tampa listener,
what's going on? Let's play it all right.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Mister sext and the traveling for the week's over with.
Got a beautiful Florida weather weekend coming up. No excuses,
no sausage handling until the task is done. We don't
want to damage a rotator cup. Let's get that racket out.
Let's get that one hundred. Let's get a YouTube video
(15:33):
ripping the shirt off with the speed camera saying one hundred.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I mean, Chris is a great call. Chris, you got me, buddy,
you got me cornered. I'm gonna play some tennis on Sunday.
I'm gonna take out the the new and improved speed Gun,
and we're gonna see what we can do. All right,
I'm gonna try to make this happen. We're going to
one hundred boys, one way or another. We're getting to
one hundred.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Let's get to a bunch of these really fast. This
is JJ James in Nashville fifteen ten, ninety eighty three,
my hometown. What's he say?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
How could you not pick I of the Tiger for
one of the greatest songs of the eighties.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's a great one.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Also a top ten for me, also a top ten.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Let's see Michael from Florida.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Ll playing buck I have You're both wrong? It's danger
Zone from the top Gun soundtrack is the best song
from the eighties.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
It's a good one. It's a good one. It's a
very good one.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It's hard not to be nodding along qq Bob in Chicago.
This may be the one I should have picked. Play it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Qq qq oh, well, he says, Journey by uh oh,
don't stop believing, rather by Journey. That's very That's a
top three for me. That that was right up alongside
my number one.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You're enjoying the Best of program with Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
This I thought was really interesting. I think we mentioned
this to you. We mentioned this to you last week,
but I don't think we played this. And I wanted
to play it because I have been making this case
for a long time. And actually it's a good moment
to bring it up because my book is now available
(17:19):
for pre sale and we'll have a link up there.
The book is Manufacturing Delusion. It comes out officially February
seventeenth of next year, which I know it seems like
it's a ways away, but we're about to be in
the holiday. It's gonna fly by, and look, I'll tell
you this. Pre sales are really important. I have waited
this long to put out a book, a real full
length book, because I insisted on writing it myself. I
(17:42):
only wanted to write if I could do something that
I thought was important and worthwhile, and I'll be telling you,
Oh it's up. It's up now at clayanbuck dot com.
You can go get some pre order copies. Like I said,
preorder matters because that's how much the publisher then prepares
for that run. And we don't want to run out
of books because it's books are a lot like movies
(18:04):
now in that they live or die in the first
few days of release. That's really how it goes. And
I really wanted this to I think this book is important.
I'll be honest. I got it cleared by the CIA. Obviously.
I talked about some of my CIA history, so I
got it cleared by the CIA. There is some stuff
(18:26):
in there that I've never talked about publicly before from
my time in the CIA. Those you've asked me for
some stories or what can you tell me? There's some
pretty interesting stuff in there, not a lot because it's
mostly about the subject matter, but I brought in some
anecdotes too. So it's up at clayanbuck dot com. You
can get that link, or you can click that link
and please go buy some copies of this early and
(18:51):
that way it'll be a huge success. Why am I
writing Why was I writing up manufacturing delusion? I think
that left wing politics in America has created a unfortunately,
a very dangerous new moment where mass delusion is the
preferred weapon of mobilization. They make people crazy, They make
(19:12):
them crazy on purpose. Totalitarian regimes have been doing this
for a long time. In fact, the History and Science
of Mind Control, it's the real thing. And I get
into this in the book History and Science of Mind
Control and its implementation and perfecting, if you will, over
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time by totalitarian regimes have gone hand in hand over
the last hundred years, and you had just at the
beginnings of us understanding. I mean, I start in the
book with the celebrated scientist Pavlov. People always talking about Pavloving, Well,
what did this guy really stud what was he really doing?
What was he up to? And interestingly enough, Pavlov comes
(19:59):
in into scientific focus in the early nineteen hundreds and
is a Nobel Laurate and is studying, Hey, how is
it that things that you observe can affect you physically?
How is it that outside stimula? But we think of
the of the bell, it actually was a metronome or
a buzzer it wasn't No one was hitting a bell,
(20:21):
and the experiments he did on dogs were actually, in
some cases quite grizzly. So there's there's some stuff that
they didn't teach you about pavlov In, you know, eighth
grade science class that I get into. But understanding how propaganda,
how outside stimuli, how brainwashing actually scientifically and in practice works,
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is what the book is about. And I think that's
very important, not just in general in America right now,
but it's important. This week, we saw this guy who
and we'll talk to Miranda Devine about this at one o'clock,
this guy who became a according to the latest reporting,
a they them furry obsessed left wing Trantifa lunatic, tried
(21:10):
to kill the president. I to day it came very
very close. Right. It's not just a guy who was
writing insane stuff in his basement somewhere. It's a guy
who came in inch away, an inch away from killing
a United States president, stopping a US election from happening
in real time, changing the course of the country. And
I just I don't know how better to say it
(21:31):
than plunging us into the abyss. I don't know what
happens to this country. We're still reeling, we're still processing
and grieving for the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk, the
most important conservative activist in the country. We were an
inch away from losing the most important conservative politician or
(21:53):
right wing politician and leader of our lifetime as well
within a twelve month span. Something very wrong is happening
here and we're all very aware of it. And I
saw a lot of this. I can't say the specifics
obviously of the individuals that they've targeted, although we all
knew they were targeting Trump. But I saw a lot
(22:14):
of this madness unfolding, and that is why I wrote
the book. On Fox News though, just a few days ago,
they had a a psychiatrist or psychotherapist who was on
who was speaking about this. This is not hyperbole. This
is not uh, you know, talk radio rage or something
(22:36):
not outway this show. We don't do rage here, right,
We're just Clay and I we tell you, We just
give give you what we think is true and important
every day and we're all we always shoot straight with you.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Oh there's more talk radio stuff though, that's just what
let's his leftist agit prop. That's nonsense.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Oh, you know, they said the same thing about Rush
for thirty years. But here he is saying this. Fox
guest Jonathan Alpert saying that seventy five percent of the
patients that he sees are hyper fixated on Trump. Listen
to this play nineteen.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
People are obsessed with Trump. They're fixated. They're hyper fixated
on Trump, and they talk about some of the features
of this disorder. They can't sleep, they feel traumatized by
mister Trump, they feel restless. I had one patient who
said she couldn't enjoy a vacation because anytime she saw
(23:31):
Trump and the news or on her device, she felt triggered.
So this is a profound pathology, and I would even
go so far as to call it the defining pathology
of our.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Time, defining pathology of our time. That Trump derangement syndrome
is a mass psychosis, a mass psychosis that has been manufactured,
manufactured using cin similar tactics to what you would see
in an authoritarian regime like communists China and the cultural
(24:07):
revolution like the Soviet Union, and Stalinism like North Korea
and the worship of the Kim dynasty. This is the
book my friends, I lay it out for you. This
is what is happening, this gentleman, this psychotherapist. It is clear.
It is clear that something has gone very wrong on
our politics. People are obsessive, clinically obsessive in their hatred
(24:33):
for Donald Trump. And that's why I wrote Manufacturing Delusion.
This is a delusion that is being created intentionally for control,
for political purposes. There are tactics, there is a playbook,
and they're doing this very unfortunately for us, successfully, and
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we see some of the worst outcomes, some of the
worst effects of this process with things like these trantifamaniacs
are going out there because things like the constant lies
about men becoming women, for example, and how remember that's
(25:16):
just the first step of the process. And the first
step of the process is to get you to say
something that you know to be untrue, to break your
tether if you will, to reality. I mean, there's a
there's a quote that I came across from my research
for the book that the real, the sort of the
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real skill out there is not convincing people that they
should that they should scale a mountain. It's convincing people
that there is no mountain, right that's real control. It's
not just getting them to do something, it's getting them
to change their perception of reality itself. There are people
(25:59):
who are losing sleep at night because I think that
climate change is going to make us extinct. That's a
real phenomenon on the left. There's no equivalent on the right.
Think about that climate extinction anxiety. There are people who
won't have children now because of what the left has
done to them. There are people who think that there
is a genocide, and that is the term they use
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against trans people, because we don't think that a two
hundred pound bearded man should be having a bench press
contest with girls. Think about the beliefs, and then, of
course I get into some of this with COVID, the
madness of the fauciism. That was all part of the playbook.
(26:43):
It was all meant to condition by the way condition reflex,
the actual Pavlovian, the actual Pavlovian you know, term and
history conditional reflex. In fact, it was in the original Russian.
Like I said, you will learn a lot in this book.
I did a ton of research in this book. It
(27:05):
is called Manufacturing Delusion. It is available for pre sale now,
and I would ask you to please get a copy
now so that we don't run out when everyone's trying
to get it the week that it's released, which I
know is in February, but just do it now while
you're thinking about it. I'll be talking about it more
on the show. But this stuff really matters. I think
(27:28):
that manufactured delusion, I think that manufactured mass hysteria is
the single greatest threat to humanity globally and the single
biggest threat to the American Republic right now. We're not
going to starve to death. We can handle all the
you know, we can handle whatever pandemics. We just went
through one. We all know what the reality was of that.
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We can handle everything else. The world is not going
to melt. But we can't handle insanity. Mass insanity that
sees is that seizes control of the apparatus, that forces
you to lie, that forces you to live by lies
that can destroy us entirely. And you'll notice the notice
(28:13):
we're living in it. The reality of anti Trumpism, day
in and day out, is rooted in is of absurdity, lies,
a constant Russia collusion hoax, the preposterous prosecutions, the lies
that he's you know, that he has something to hide
with Epstein, all of this stuff. To a lot of us,
it's just annoying because you you choose to listen to
(28:36):
this show, you choose to stay firmly rooted in reality.
But how many people that you know who voted for
Kamala Harris in this last election? How many leftists for
those of you, especially who live in big blue states,
how many leftists do you come across who believe the
most absurd and insane things because they've been told to
(28:56):
and become irrational, become in raye, almost like they've been
brought into a cult, because that's actually what has happened.
And I get into some of those processes too. The
whole point is to override that connection to reality that
the listener, that the subject, the target has, because then
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you can rewrite the underlying programming. Then you can This
is China, this is mause revolution. Break people down, break
them down with fear, break them down with isolation, a
constant assault on their senses of lies, and then you
try to rewrite what's there. Then you try to build
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them into the new Soviet man, which was the whole
project of the Soviet Union. This has all been done before,
and you need to know how it was done then
and how it is being done now. And that is
manufacturing delusion. That is my book and I want you
to please It's up at clan Buck but you can
get on Amazon clanbuck dot but you can get on
an Amazon, get it anywhere. Please get the pre sales.
(30:04):
It took me two years to write this. Two years
to write this book and get it cleared by the CIA,
and you know, do everything. So this was not a
slap dash. It's very important to me that this message
get out there, and I know you'll spread the word
and I appreciate you letting me talk to you about it.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I went for a rare dip in the Atlantic Ocean
technically Biscayne Bay over the weekend, and right around the
same time, there was, in fact a shark attack.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Play Yes, forty six year old guy got attacked. You
sent me the link and I was looking at it,
and uh, I mean, can you imagine if you had
gotten attacked by a shark after all our shot? This
is why.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Discussion I'm just saying, this is this is I'm starting
to worry about your Alcatraz swim a little bit here, buddy,
which we've already committed to, and I'm going to be
in that launch boat cheering you on, nice and warm
with my Crockett hot cocoa, where we're going to start
making by then. But this guy, I believe was snorkeling
and it looked like he tried to touch the shark,
which is a bad idea. Well, that's very, very different.
(31:11):
It was not a predatory attack. It was ay, leave
me alone, bite on the hand, and he had to
go to the hospital, but technically a shark attack not
far from where I was swimming.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
On Sunday, I was walking into church. This is hundred
percent true. Guy I had not met before comes up
and he says that he is part of a long
distance swimming team and they have been hearing us talk about.
He had swam Catalina, he had swam from Alcatraz, and
they do regular long training sessions and he was offering
(31:43):
his skill set and his team to me as a
training companion. This is I mean, legitimately, as I am
walking into church on Sunday, this gentleman I had never
met before came up and he wanted me to know
that he had my back on the swims and that
he and the team were ready to assist as necessary.
And I told him, I said, well, I'm kind of
(32:05):
getting a little bit terrified, not of the swim, but
that I'm tempting fate and I'm going to be eaten
by a shark. And he told me that I would
be fine, So I hope he's right, but yeah, you would.
You narrowly avoided attack on a on a swim in
Biscayne Bay,
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. A lot of you
coming out of Thanksgiving holiday. Maybe there were conversations that
you had with people who hated President Trump. Maybe you've
had had them in the past over the last decade.
Maybe you have friends and family that you have lost
(00:28):
potentially because they have become so deranged when it comes
to President Trump and the way that they see him.
I read in the Wall Street Journal a great write
up on Trump derangement syndrome from our current guest Jonathan
Albert as almost its own psychiatric psychological diagnosis, and we said, okay,
(00:53):
we got to get this guy on and he is
now with us. This is Jonathan Albert. I loved your piece.
For people who have not read it. You're a psychotherapist
New York and DC, and you've got a book called
Therapy Nation about all the different aspects of therapy going on.
But when you see people who, it appears, frankly do
(01:16):
have Trump derangement syndrome, is that a real thing? Kind
of take people through the argument that you made in
the Wall Street Journal editorial.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, and play great to be here. It's not a
real thing. However, it probably should be a real thing.
But I don't think we'll ever see it in the DSM,
which is sort of the bible of psychiatric disorders in
my profession. But what I have seen is quite troubling
with seeing families split up, with seeing people obsessed with Trump.
(01:49):
They're hyper fixated on Trump, and frankly is ruining their
mental health. And I would go so far as to
call it a in some ways a mental health epidemic
that's folks or revolves around Trump. And I don't care
if it's Trump or Biden or Harris or anyone. If
you're that hyper fixated on a figure, you need to
(02:10):
check in with a therapist, someone like may.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Now Jonathan appreciates you being with us. It's buck the
what would be the the things to look for where
someone I mean, you said things like hyper fixated. You know,
what are some of the the red lines that somebody
would want to look at where something goes from just
being a very perhaps over zealous belief or very over
(02:37):
zealous thoughts about in this case a politician, to where
it actually is clinical because what I see myself as
a non medical, non psychoanalyst is a lot of people
who have a bizarre, irrational and really delusional fear themselves personally.
Like I know people who lose truly loosely night. I mean,
(03:01):
they've told me this because they're worried that Trump is
going to just pull them off that Like Trump is
going to have people pull them off the street and
throw them into a sell somewhere for no reason. Like
how different is that from somebody who's a you know,
a gloraphobic or something.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, and Buckett's it's not too different if you're at
the point where you are losing sleep over our president,
or if you, like some of my patients can't enjoy
a vacation because quote, how can I possibly relax and
enjoy a vacation knowing that Trump's in office. You're sick,
You've got issues. And similar to other mental health issues
(03:38):
that we see, whether it's OCD or anxiety disorders, it
disrupts a person's life. It appairs relationships, whether it's romantic
relationships or work relationships or friendships. This is when it
rises to the level of pathologic and that's where I
become greatly concerned. And if you look back over the
past decade, when Trump first entered our world as a politician,
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I mean, I had patients who were ready to flee
the country. I actually know some who did flee the country,
and I would remind them that the fact that you
can get out there and protest, even in front of
Trump's house, is a good reason to stay here. But
the problem is people aren't looking at this in a
rational way. They're quite irrational. They do think that Trump
(04:25):
is going to round people up and send them off
to a island somewhere. They think that Trump is a Nazi.
So I've heard all sorts of outrageous statements like that,
and as a therapist, I try to confront them and
help them see things rationally, and with some of those
people unsuccessful, and others, frankly, I'm not how do.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You handle people in your friend or family circle that
are just crazy and are suffering from this?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I mean, because I think that is probably something that
a lot of people out there, particularly in the social media.
I mean, I grew up. I remember my grandma saying
you never talk about politics or religion. Now, certainly people
talk about politics all the time, particularly on social media.
So you may just come across it on Facebook, or
you may come across it, like I said, in your
(05:15):
own family or in Thanksgiving. How do you handle people
that are, in your opinion, meaning the family member truly
gone crazy over the Trump situation. I'll give an example.
This is not Trump directly. We had a family member
that a younger I don't want to get too specifical,
but celebrated on social media Charlie Kirk getting shot and
(05:39):
I was stunned. I couldn't believe it. Maybe some of
you have had, you know, in your larger family circles,
things like that happen. How do you handle people who
are dealing with this that seem unwell to you? What
should you do as a person if that's in your
friend or family circle.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, and witness people who were celebrating the horrific murder
of Charlie Kirk. I told the story of overhearing two
cashiers at Trader Joe's talking about it and celebrating it.
And what's happened is people have demonized figures, whether it's
Kirk or Trump, and they've learned to hate them, and
(06:20):
they feel like it's their duty to take them out.
But when you have a family member that's speaking like that,
I think you need to try to confront them. I
think you need to ask them, you know, why do
you feel like it's your duty to take this person
out or demonize this person or speak ill of the person.
You know, it's not healthy for them to be consumed
(06:44):
by that figure. So, you know, I think you can
try to gently confront them, see how they react, See
if you can work with them in that way. Other
people are beyond repair and they'll believe what they want
to believe. The other problem that we're seeing that you
mentioned is social media. People are in these echo chambers.
(07:05):
They only surround themselves with one opinion. They feel that
the world is conspiring against them. So we've got a
lot of work to do if we're going to try
to get back to what we saw in the eighties.
After Reagan was shot, his surgeon famously said, today, mister President,
(07:26):
we're all Republicans, but wouldn't it be great to get
back to a time like that?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yeah, I'm wondering also where the mental health profession is
on this more broadly, And I would just say this,
I am aware sir, that your profession is based on
the numbers and the data. I believe the single most,
the single most left wing medical profession that is out there.
(07:56):
Is that really the reason why there is more of
a push to treat Trump arrangement syndrome, even if they're
not going to name it, to treat it as an
anxiety disorder. I mean, I wonder how many psychiatrists have
Trump arrangement syndrome. If I can just put a point
on this, well, buck.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Let me put it this way. Since my Wall Street
Journal piece came out and since appearing on Fox TV,
I've received too many to count hate emails from my
colleagues from therapists wishing me dead, labeling me a pedophile, protector,
absolutely unhinged, vile emails from licensed mental health professionals. So
(08:39):
that tells you what you need to know about my profession,
and you're right, it's dominated by liberals. But that said,
I also received very supportive emails from colleagues, so I
think there are probably some closeted conservative therapists out there.
But yeah, I mean, we have people who I think
(09:00):
I'm absolutely crazy because I'm identifying a trend that a
seen over the past decade, and I genuinely care about
these people's mental health, the people that I'm seeing, and
would like them to start to be healthier and look
at things in a more rational manner.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
We're talking to Jonathan Albert. I'm curious one of the
big discussions here. Trump came down the escalator twenty fifteen,
So we've had a decade of Trump derangement syndrome. Do
you believe that this syndrome, to the extent that it exists,
that is uniquely focused on Trump, does it translate to
(09:39):
or transfer to other Republicans in a post Trump era?
What will these people when Trump exits the stage, as
he will in January of twenty twenty nine, What do
you think is likely to happen to their mental health
at that point in time.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Well, it'd be shocked if that suddenly improved on Trump
left office. I think there are some people out there
that always need an object, a person to hate, and
if it's not Trump, it might be Rubio or jd
or whoever may may take over in twenty twenty eight.
So I do think these people need something to hate,
(10:17):
and we're actually seeing this play out in New York,
where I am the anti Israel protests have ended, and
now I think over the weekend we saw several anti
ice protests. So there are some people who always need
to be fighting and need what they perceive as a
cause to fight for. And we'll see what happens in
(10:40):
a few years.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It is interesting because I we appreciate your time. I
was watching a video somebody put together a compilation buck,
I should have sent it to you two of all
these people like losing their minds to protest in favor
of BLM five years ago, and all the crazy videos
they were making and everything else. And then you know,
it's kind of a joke, but the same people took
the BLM slogan and then had the Ukraine flag in
(11:05):
their profile. Do you see that? As people have some
sort of absence in their life and so they are
constantly seeking the next thing, whatever it is, wear a mask,
get a shot, Like there's jumping from one sort of
social obsession to another. Has that become more prevalent? I
think in a social media age it.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Has, And probably before BLM we saw Occupy Wall Street
way back. So yeah, yes, and they probably have an
emptiness or disdain in their life for something and they
just want to be part of a cause, and I
think these causes, whether it's Occupy Wall Street or Israel,
(11:49):
Anti Israel or BLM, it's like a big group therapy
session that amounts to absolutely nothing that's not making these
people healthier. I'll share a story with you after one
of the No Kings riots, I was walking around Manhattan
admiring the heaping high pile of anti Trump signs, and
(12:13):
someone came up to me and said, isn't this beautiful?
And I said not really, I kind of support our
president and think he's doing a good job. And she
went absolutely not and started cursing me, not even knowing
who I was. Much like the emails that I'm getting
from these strangers since my Wall Street journal piece hit,
(12:34):
I can't imagine sending a stranger that I may see
on TV and email telling them how much I hate them.
But that might be the difference between someone with a
rational mind and an air rational mind.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
How do we get more right wing mental health professionals?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know? I wish I knew. I'm part of a
small group of conservative therapists who are fed up with
the woke, and that's infiltrated our profession. My forthcoming book,
Therapy Nation, does touch on this how our graduate programs,
our profession are just dominated by social justice warriors. So
(13:16):
I think the more people like me that can get
out there and who aren't afraid to speak their mind
and be okay with conservative values and put their thoughts
out there, the better we'll be as a nation. The
healthier will be and will be far less divided.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Thank you, Jonathan Albert. I encourage people to check out
the book and we will share that Wall Street Journal
editorial you wrote as some people may be dealing with
some of this in the post Thanksgiving Aaron, which we
currently live. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, thank you very much. Take care.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Play Travis with the Clay and Buck Show, wishing you
and your family of very mary Christmas and happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Buck Sexton. Here, the entire Clan Buck Show wish you
and your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful
New year.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
You're listening to the best of Clay Trappis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Clay, there are some unhappy people when it comes to
your music takes.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I know this is one hundred percent justified. I don't
know anything about music, and all of you who are
about to tee off on me that Buck is gonna play.
I deserve it all. I'm just gonna take my beating.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
We got gg Let's go Gigi first, Tampa Toad, he
calls us. Let's hear it, hey, play, let's take the sports.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Let Buck talk about the music of the eighties.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
It's real simple. There's a lot of great music in
the eighties. The eighties might be the greatest music decade.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Next to the seventies of all time.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
But the greatest song is.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Toto's Africa Africa by Toto.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Every time I hear it on the radio station, I
just smile.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's a great.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Song, Solids. I'd put it in top ten. Play is
gonna just I think he'll defer because I'm not even
sure he knows Toto from Africa. Not gonna take a
lot to drag play away from Toto. We have aa
a little heat for me. Chris from another Tampa listener,
what's going on? Let's play it all right.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Mister sext and the traveling for the week's over with.
Got a beautiful Florida weather weekend coming up. No excuses,
no sausage handling until the task is done. We don't
want to damage a rotator cup. Let's get that racket out.
Let's get that one hundred. Let's get a YouTube video
(15:33):
ripping the shirt off with the speed camera saying one hundred.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I mean, Chris is a great call. Chris, you got me, buddy,
you got me cornered. I'm gonna play some tennis on Sunday.
I'm gonna take out the the new and improved speed Gun,
and we're gonna see what we can do. All right,
I'm gonna try to make this happen. We're going to
one hundred boys, one way or another. We're getting to
one hundred.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Let's get to a bunch of these really fast. This
is JJ James in Nashville fifteen ten, ninety eighty three,
my hometown. What's he say?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
How could you not pick I of the Tiger for
one of the greatest songs of the eighties.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's a great one.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Also a top ten for me, also a top ten.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Let's see Michael from Florida.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Ll playing buck I have You're both wrong? It's danger
Zone from the top Gun soundtrack is the best song
from the eighties.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
It's a good one. It's a good one. It's a
very good one.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It's hard not to be nodding along qq Bob in Chicago.
This may be the one I should have picked. Play it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Qq qq oh, well, he says, Journey by uh oh,
don't stop believing, rather by Journey. That's very That's a
top three for me. That that was right up alongside
my number one.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You're enjoying the Best of program with Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
This I thought was really interesting. I think we mentioned
this to you. We mentioned this to you last week,
but I don't think we played this. And I wanted
to play it because I have been making this case
for a long time. And actually it's a good moment
to bring it up because my book is now available
(17:19):
for pre sale and we'll have a link up there.
The book is Manufacturing Delusion. It comes out officially February
seventeenth of next year, which I know it seems like
it's a ways away, but we're about to be in
the holiday. It's gonna fly by, and look, I'll tell
you this. Pre sales are really important. I have waited
this long to put out a book, a real full
length book, because I insisted on writing it myself. I
(17:42):
only wanted to write if I could do something that
I thought was important and worthwhile, and I'll be telling you,
Oh it's up. It's up now at clayanbuck dot com.
You can go get some pre order copies. Like I said,
preorder matters because that's how much the publisher then prepares
for that run. And we don't want to run out
of books because it's books are a lot like movies
(18:04):
now in that they live or die in the first
few days of release. That's really how it goes. And
I really wanted this to I think this book is important.
I'll be honest. I got it cleared by the CIA. Obviously.
I talked about some of my CIA history, so I
got it cleared by the CIA. There is some stuff
(18:26):
in there that I've never talked about publicly before from
my time in the CIA. Those you've asked me for
some stories or what can you tell me? There's some
pretty interesting stuff in there, not a lot because it's
mostly about the subject matter, but I brought in some
anecdotes too. So it's up at clayanbuck dot com. You
can get that link, or you can click that link
and please go buy some copies of this early and
(18:51):
that way it'll be a huge success. Why am I
writing Why was I writing up manufacturing delusion? I think
that left wing politics in America has created a unfortunately,
a very dangerous new moment where mass delusion is the
preferred weapon of mobilization. They make people crazy, They make
(19:12):
them crazy on purpose. Totalitarian regimes have been doing this
for a long time. In fact, the History and Science
of Mind Control, it's the real thing. And I get
into this in the book History and Science of Mind
Control and its implementation and perfecting, if you will, over
(19:36):
time by totalitarian regimes have gone hand in hand over
the last hundred years, and you had just at the
beginnings of us understanding. I mean, I start in the
book with the celebrated scientist Pavlov. People always talking about Pavloving, Well,
what did this guy really stud what was he really doing?
What was he up to? And interestingly enough, Pavlov comes
(19:59):
in into scientific focus in the early nineteen hundreds and
is a Nobel Laurate and is studying, Hey, how is
it that things that you observe can affect you physically?
How is it that outside stimula? But we think of
the of the bell, it actually was a metronome or
a buzzer it wasn't No one was hitting a bell,
(20:21):
and the experiments he did on dogs were actually, in
some cases quite grizzly. So there's there's some stuff that
they didn't teach you about pavlov In, you know, eighth
grade science class that I get into. But understanding how propaganda,
how outside stimuli, how brainwashing actually scientifically and in practice works,
(20:46):
is what the book is about. And I think that's
very important, not just in general in America right now,
but it's important. This week, we saw this guy who
and we'll talk to Miranda Devine about this at one o'clock,
this guy who became a according to the latest reporting,
a they them furry obsessed left wing Trantifa lunatic, tried
(21:10):
to kill the president. I to day it came very
very close. Right. It's not just a guy who was
writing insane stuff in his basement somewhere. It's a guy
who came in inch away, an inch away from killing
a United States president, stopping a US election from happening
in real time, changing the course of the country. And
I just I don't know how better to say it
(21:31):
than plunging us into the abyss. I don't know what
happens to this country. We're still reeling, we're still processing
and grieving for the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk, the
most important conservative activist in the country. We were an
inch away from losing the most important conservative politician or
(21:53):
right wing politician and leader of our lifetime as well
within a twelve month span. Something very wrong is happening
here and we're all very aware of it. And I
saw a lot of this. I can't say the specifics
obviously of the individuals that they've targeted, although we all
knew they were targeting Trump. But I saw a lot
(22:14):
of this madness unfolding, and that is why I wrote
the book. On Fox News though, just a few days ago,
they had a a psychiatrist or psychotherapist who was on
who was speaking about this. This is not hyperbole. This
is not uh, you know, talk radio rage or something
(22:36):
not outway this show. We don't do rage here, right,
We're just Clay and I we tell you, We just
give give you what we think is true and important
every day and we're all we always shoot straight with you.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Oh there's more talk radio stuff though, that's just what
let's his leftist agit prop. That's nonsense.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Oh, you know, they said the same thing about Rush
for thirty years. But here he is saying this. Fox
guest Jonathan Alpert saying that seventy five percent of the
patients that he sees are hyper fixated on Trump. Listen
to this play nineteen.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
People are obsessed with Trump. They're fixated. They're hyper fixated
on Trump, and they talk about some of the features
of this disorder. They can't sleep, they feel traumatized by
mister Trump, they feel restless. I had one patient who
said she couldn't enjoy a vacation because anytime she saw
(23:31):
Trump and the news or on her device, she felt triggered.
So this is a profound pathology, and I would even
go so far as to call it the defining pathology
of our.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Time, defining pathology of our time. That Trump derangement syndrome
is a mass psychosis, a mass psychosis that has been manufactured,
manufactured using cin similar tactics to what you would see
in an authoritarian regime like communists China and the cultural
(24:07):
revolution like the Soviet Union, and Stalinism like North Korea
and the worship of the Kim dynasty. This is the
book my friends, I lay it out for you. This
is what is happening, this gentleman, this psychotherapist. It is clear.
It is clear that something has gone very wrong on
our politics. People are obsessive, clinically obsessive in their hatred
(24:33):
for Donald Trump. And that's why I wrote Manufacturing Delusion.
This is a delusion that is being created intentionally for control,
for political purposes. There are tactics, there is a playbook,
and they're doing this very unfortunately for us, successfully, and
(24:54):
we see some of the worst outcomes, some of the
worst effects of this process with things like these trantifamaniacs
are going out there because things like the constant lies
about men becoming women, for example, and how remember that's
(25:16):
just the first step of the process. And the first
step of the process is to get you to say
something that you know to be untrue, to break your
tether if you will, to reality. I mean, there's a
there's a quote that I came across from my research
for the book that the real, the sort of the
(25:36):
real skill out there is not convincing people that they
should that they should scale a mountain. It's convincing people
that there is no mountain, right that's real control. It's
not just getting them to do something, it's getting them
to change their perception of reality itself. There are people
(25:59):
who are losing sleep at night because I think that
climate change is going to make us extinct. That's a
real phenomenon on the left. There's no equivalent on the right.
Think about that climate extinction anxiety. There are people who
won't have children now because of what the left has
done to them. There are people who think that there
is a genocide, and that is the term they use
(26:20):
against trans people, because we don't think that a two
hundred pound bearded man should be having a bench press
contest with girls. Think about the beliefs, and then, of
course I get into some of this with COVID, the
madness of the fauciism. That was all part of the playbook.
(26:43):
It was all meant to condition by the way condition reflex,
the actual Pavlovian, the actual Pavlovian you know, term and
history conditional reflex. In fact, it was in the original Russian.
Like I said, you will learn a lot in this book.
I did a ton of research in this book. It
(27:05):
is called Manufacturing Delusion. It is available for pre sale now,
and I would ask you to please get a copy
now so that we don't run out when everyone's trying
to get it the week that it's released, which I
know is in February, but just do it now while
you're thinking about it. I'll be talking about it more
on the show. But this stuff really matters. I think
(27:28):
that manufactured delusion, I think that manufactured mass hysteria is
the single greatest threat to humanity globally and the single
biggest threat to the American Republic right now. We're not
going to starve to death. We can handle all the
you know, we can handle whatever pandemics. We just went
through one. We all know what the reality was of that.
(27:50):
We can handle everything else. The world is not going
to melt. But we can't handle insanity. Mass insanity that
sees is that seizes control of the apparatus, that forces
you to lie, that forces you to live by lies
that can destroy us entirely. And you'll notice the notice
(28:13):
we're living in it. The reality of anti Trumpism, day
in and day out, is rooted in is of absurdity, lies,
a constant Russia collusion hoax, the preposterous prosecutions, the lies
that he's you know, that he has something to hide
with Epstein, all of this stuff. To a lot of us,
it's just annoying because you you choose to listen to
(28:36):
this show, you choose to stay firmly rooted in reality.
But how many people that you know who voted for
Kamala Harris in this last election? How many leftists for
those of you, especially who live in big blue states,
how many leftists do you come across who believe the
most absurd and insane things because they've been told to
(28:56):
and become irrational, become in raye, almost like they've been
brought into a cult, because that's actually what has happened.
And I get into some of those processes too. The
whole point is to override that connection to reality that
the listener, that the subject, the target has, because then
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you can rewrite the underlying programming. Then you can This
is China, this is mause revolution. Break people down, break
them down with fear, break them down with isolation, a
constant assault on their senses of lies, and then you
try to rewrite what's there. Then you try to build
(29:42):
them into the new Soviet man, which was the whole
project of the Soviet Union. This has all been done before,
and you need to know how it was done then
and how it is being done now. And that is
manufacturing delusion. That is my book and I want you
to please It's up at clan Buck but you can
get on Amazon clanbuck dot but you can get on
an Amazon, get it anywhere. Please get the pre sales.
(30:04):
It took me two years to write this. Two years
to write this book and get it cleared by the CIA,
and you know, do everything. So this was not a
slap dash. It's very important to me that this message
get out there, and I know you'll spread the word
and I appreciate you letting me talk to you about it.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I went for a rare dip in the Atlantic Ocean
technically Biscayne Bay over the weekend, and right around the
same time, there was, in fact a shark attack.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Play Yes, forty six year old guy got attacked. You
sent me the link and I was looking at it,
and uh, I mean, can you imagine if you had
gotten attacked by a shark after all our shot? This
is why.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Discussion I'm just saying, this is this is I'm starting
to worry about your Alcatraz swim a little bit here, buddy,
which we've already committed to, and I'm going to be
in that launch boat cheering you on, nice and warm
with my Crockett hot cocoa, where we're going to start
making by then. But this guy, I believe was snorkeling
and it looked like he tried to touch the shark,
which is a bad idea. Well, that's very, very different.
(31:11):
It was not a predatory attack. It was ay, leave
me alone, bite on the hand, and he had to
go to the hospital, but technically a shark attack not
far from where I was swimming.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
On Sunday, I was walking into church. This is hundred
percent true. Guy I had not met before comes up
and he says that he is part of a long
distance swimming team and they have been hearing us talk about.
He had swam Catalina, he had swam from Alcatraz, and
they do regular long training sessions and he was offering
(31:43):
his skill set and his team to me as a
training companion. This is I mean, legitimately, as I am
walking into church on Sunday, this gentleman I had never
met before came up and he wanted me to know
that he had my back on the swims and that
he and the team were ready to assist as necessary.
And I told him, I said, well, I'm kind of
(32:05):
getting a little bit terrified, not of the swim, but
that I'm tempting fate and I'm going to be eaten
by a shark. And he told me that I would
be fine, So I hope he's right, but yeah, you would.
You narrowly avoided attack on a on a swim in
Biscayne Bay,
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