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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
It starts now, all right, I'm gonna have to get
ahead of this.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
It's already metastasizing in a negative way. I think to myself,
you know what, what could go wrong if I did
a Fox News hit on Saturday Morning for our friend
Kaylee mccannaney's new very successful Saturday Morning Fox News show,
and especially the case when I'm doing it with my
good chum, Buck Sexton. So I sit down and as
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the hit is going on, this outrageous attack upon my
character aired for millions of people, and now it's going
to air for millions more.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Listen, Buck, when you come back, I'm gonna tell you
about what I caught Clay drinking whispering Angel a Women's rose.
I caught him drink the Patriot Awards of Alcohol at
the table, whispering Angel for Clay Travis. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Can I just love that Kayley mcanittny, who was so
delightful and wonderful throwing a little elbow in your ribs
right before the right before you're basically cut off the mic. There, buddy,
you know you know she she hip checked you. What
is it in the hockey when you hip check somebody
and they go over the the thing we're on the side.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
It was like the boards, You got the boards? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And look she just tweeted this as well, sharing the video.
I did not take at Clay Travis to be a
whispering angel man at buck Sexton looks stunned.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Now, I'm not a wine guy.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I have I have for years on this program, pointed out,
and we always get angry emails whenever I say this.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
All of you.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Buying your thousand dollars wine, no idea what you if
you have a couple of glasses of wine. You can't
tell a thousand dollars wine from a fifty dollars wine.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
This is like Clay talking about classical music. The barbarians
are winning. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I at Julie Talbot's big induction into the Hall of Fame,
well deserved Hall of Fame induction, there was a gentleman
there who had a huge, big bottle of wine and
it was like a two thousand dollars bottle of wine
jumbo thing. I had a glass and I said, man,
it tastes just like almost as good as the box
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wine I had back in the day. Now here's the
deal with this is at the Patriot Awards. The Patriot
Awards great event lasts like three hours, and when you
sit down at the table, all they had was water
and wine. And unlike Jesus, I can't turn water into wine.
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So I just decided that I was going to drink
the wine, and I took the bottle of wine. Tommy
Lair and sitting next to me, Kaylee mcadeney's next to me,
and I just poured myself a glass.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So you're sitting with two lovely, lovely blonde ladies and
you decide to join in on their favorite beverage and
have some chick wine right there.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That's how this goes.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I thought, why would I be mean to them and
make a big fuss because there wasn't bourbon, or there
wasn't my beverage of choice. I, being the generous person
that I am, also Emily Compagno's same table, Jesse Waters,
Benny Johnson, and I thought Hey, I don't want to
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be the stuck up guy who's gonna fight back against
the rose. And you know what, it tasted pretty good.
I'm not gonna lie. But she took a photo of me,
and now she has attacked me on air. This reminds
me of the Brussels sprouts debate, when remember when Jesse
Kelly got furious at me for ordering Brussels sprouts, for
thinking about everyone else my harm.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Well, he was trying to get back at you for
order Oh no, you we know who ordered the seventy
He ordered the.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Seven hours shots. He's the bad guy in all these things.
My only flaw is that I care too much and
that I'm just too kind when I'm sharing a table
with people, I'm not picky. I'll drink your rose, I'll
order Brussels sprouts. I'll even let you order seventy five
dollars shots.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I do think that there is a rule where you
don't lose your man card if you're on a vacation
to a warm place and you just want to try
the froze. You know, it looks so inviting. It's like
a slushy with booze in it. If you're gonna froze
all day. I guess Rose could be okay.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I believe also, I went with the the lighter colored
wine because I was afraid that I might spill it
on myself too, which, for anybody out there who knows me,
is probably a good move.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Kelly mcanetny is the host of Saturday in America with
Kelly mccanetti. She's a former White House Press secretary, and
she has a fan with fantastic Taste and radio because
their dad listens to the show every day, so we're
all going to be on our best behavior. Clay's halo
is still intact now. Kaylee, You're generally not one to
court controversy, but you find yourself in the midst of
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some controversy.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
As your dad.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
A beloved and appreciated listener, daily listener of this program
has weighed in on a range of facts, a range
of things, including the fireside chat video posted in which
he has spoken about the Clay Whispering Angel fiasco. I
think at this point we just have to lean into it, Kaylee,
and Clay and I have to ask for a Whispering
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Angel endorsement or something, because there's no escaping from the
fact that when Clay had a whole bar to choose
from at the Fox Patriot Awards, he went for Rose Kayley.
He went for it.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
You noted that Clay had a halo on at the
beginning of this, and indeed he has a halo, a
whispering angel, halo. I have a whole press rollout plan
for Clay on this, and you know I'm a former
press secretary, so I'm good at press rollouts. And Jesse's
team came to me and asked for the picture of
Clay drinking whispering Angel. I told Jesse Waters team, no, no, no, no, no,
I've got a rollout plan for this. It's going to
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come out just at the right time. My dad was
so disappointed, drinking bourbon by the campfire. I'm actually with
my with my brother in law right now, Michael Bill Martin,
and he said, I cannot believe Clay Travis drink's whispering Angel.
And his girlfriend Donnia said, yeah, it's pink. It's a
woman's drink. He's drinking that. What is wrong with this man?
But my dad has been your greatest defender, Clay. My
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dad's walking around the house. Go and Clay wrote a
book called Balls. That man is a real man. He's
not a whispering angel man. So you've got a great
defender in Mike mcadenne.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I think we have the audio for people who haven't
heard it. Here is Kaylee's fantastic dad. I'm sorry that
I've disappointed him. I felt as I was watching him,
like the coach found out that I broke curfew or something.
That's like your dad sounds like he's got he's a
co He's just he's not sad, he's not mad, he's
just disappointed, uh, in the lack of discipline.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Listen, I've been reading Klay Travis's book Balls.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I'm telling you guys, it is.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
First of all, it's kind of an autobiography, but he's
a great writer. He takes his facts all the way
back and how sports and how sports became woke, and
how the kids young men really helped turn this thing around,
and so did out kick Clay and a few others
that had fought against you know, ESPN and all these
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these these woke uh, the NBA and all that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It's amazing. Book is amazing.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I gotta ask you what about him drinking whispery angel?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Clay Travis drinks whispering.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Shocking, shocking, that's that's a that's just.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
A hit, a bad night.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Night, like you missed too many free throws. I love it.
I felt I felt like he found out.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I missed curfew and uh and I wasn't gonna be
able to play in the first quarter of the football game.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
It was hilarious. My dad was a football coach.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Oh that.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
This man is your defender, so he's going to like
hang out there to dry in the public, but behind
the scenes, he's like, you gotta get both. Clay Travis
is the best, is the best, so he's defending you.
But I've got the pictures, so this isn't going away.
You got a former White House press secretary after you
with a press plan, So watch out, Jim Acosta, watch
out Clay Travis.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
He had a bad night.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Is such a great immediate defense line that I'm glad
your dad had my back. That's a good response you
as a press secretary have to say, you know what,
He kind of took a little bit of the heat
away with that immediate sentence. By the way, last question
for you, and I'm not pleased about the media campaign
attacking my drinking character.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That is coming.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Were you surprised by the Mom Donnie Trump interaction in
the White House or did you totally anticipate that based
on your experience working with you Trump in the White House.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
So I did not think it would be hostile. I
did not think it would be like the Zelenski meeting.
I was surprised at just how cordial it was. But
then I sat back and I thought about it. And
I have watched this man, Donald Trump play four dimensional
chess constantly. He's not someone who can be, you know, flattered.
You may think he's been flattered, and you know he's
praising someone because of that flattery. He always has a
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plan to sit back, hang tight. I was surprised at
how complimentary it was. But you just wait, you just wait.
I noticed. I'll just say this. Mom Donnie was pressed
on whether Trump said I won't send federal troops to
your city, federal law enforcement, I should say, and he
would not say that. President Trump said that, So I
think there might have been some harsher words behind the scenes.
And you just wait see Trump's next chest move.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Outstanding stuff. Kaylee mcainey, buck that you got all the details.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I was just going to say our dad is a great,
great listener of the program, and we very much appreciated Kaylee,
and thank you for being here with us. Come back
and hang out again soon. Okay, we enjoy our Kayley visits.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I love it, and Clay, you go get a nice
mid afternoon cocktail. A rose is a great.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
One, so go enjoy Brose ros.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I might go froze. I'm gonna be down at the
beach this weekend for Thanksgiving. I might just start walking
around with pink drinks frozen all the time. Kayley Mccaaney
has a great show and evidently has incriminating photos of
me consuming very feminine alcohol, so I've got to be
nice to her. Although it sounds like the campaign's rolling
out no matter what.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Sunday Sizzle with Clay and fuck Pia has a.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Thought for Clay.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
So you guys are great entrepreneurs and you have Crockett coffee.
I think Clay should just run with this and come
up with a rose wine to sell, but just call
it Brose and then it's cool for guys to drink it.
I think Brose sounds delicious.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Is there already a Brose?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Because it feels like this must be an idea somebody's
already had.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
That's a great idea. First of all, I have no idea.
You can look it up. I will just point out
that producer Ali texted me in fairness, it's not just
a women's rose, it's a gay man's rose.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Two.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And I think she was doing it to try to
make me feel better. But she has been fired, and
so as much as we loved Producer Ali's work on
the show, she has now gone. The reactions are really
really funny that are as producer Ali there, Do you
want to explain that you were not trying to insult
me when you said, in fairness, it's not just a
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women's rose, it's a gay man's rose.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Two. Yeah, I was coming to your defense. I was
coming to your defense. All my guy friends, a lot
of them who happen to be gay, love whispering Angel.
They bring it to all the dinner parties.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
But do you think most heterosexual men are like, hey,
you know what, all the gay men love the thing
that you did. I don't know that most heterosexual men
are like, oh that that cleanses the attacks on my
masculinity that were levied so scurlessly by great word there
Scurless by the way, by Kaylee mcananey.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
So h a lot of rolling in there.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I was Ali, thank you for
joining with us there for a second job. I was
gonna say, I was worried that people would be worried
that that clay had instantaneously done done a firing here.
But no, of course, of course not, of course not.
Whispering Angel Rose is owned by massive conglomerate LVMH. Now
I did not know that, so they every.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Very corporate, by the way.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But really the issue is it's not that it was
Whispering Angel Rose. It's that it was Rose. My man,
you know you went Rose. I think that's alone. That's
a rose is like a step away from getting a
wine cooler. You know, you might as well have ordered
a zema at the Patriot Awards.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I don't think I'm even knowledgeable enough to know enough
about wine to real the faux pad that I was making.
I will say that Kaylee said we should drink this
one because it won't stain like your teeth. You can't
have like a dark red wine and show up and
you know, be doing a public event with wine stained teeth.
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And so I thought that I was making a good
decision there. She led me over the middle, much like
happened here.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, and with your jacket and you spill the wine,
nobody will know with your pink jacket.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I think that was a sartorial snub. Yeah, she's lighting
you up now though, with your fake firing. I think
I think whatever Ali producer ally throws your way today,
you you've asked for the incoming, so we got to
leave it there.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
VIP email from Dave. I give Clay a pass on
the wine. The gals were just ribbing him because they
find him lovably goofy. Don't need to get a double
Scotch neat to appear manly.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's exactly right. There was no This is.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Like your he Clays a black coffee drinker, and I, okay,
I'll drink black coffee too, But I don't understand why,
Like if it's good enough for Italy, it's good enough
for me to have a cappuccino in the morning. Sometimes, Like,
what's the problem with this? Some people? You drink what
you want to drink, is my point. There's not really
a I'm gonna tell you something else. Beer, which people
think of as manly, gives you man boobs. Guys, real
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science there, true story, beer gives you man boobs. Beer
is estrogen increasing, unfortunately, so I've heard that is liquor
two or just beer. I think beer in particular, but
I need to I need to go to the groc
on that one.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Is it the hops that make it like estrogen related
like higher levels?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Why, I'll find out. You just talk for a second.
I will continue to talk as buck specifically raises your
estrogen levels. I'm trying to find out why, which even men,
by the way, men have estrogen two beer increases s
sten due to phyto estrogen content from hops and barley. Yes,
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it's specific, so this is real. It's specific to the
molecular basis of the beer itself. So yeah, you're drinking
the anti testosterone when you're drinking beer. Couldn't have explained
that to people with the Budweiser horses running back in
the nineties. True story, though, folks, true story.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I actually think that's the best argument that a liquor
company could make beer is drinking estrogen and assuming that
liquor doesn't have the same levels of estrogen. I don't
know what the date is, but I've seen that storyline before.
As everybody is breaking that out.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Speaking of estrogen, can I throw something else out in
the mix for us for your conversation? Here about something
I just did you see Bill Ackman's advice on dating?
This has gone super viral. I'm very curious. We'll get
to some more of this tomorrow. Clay's going to be
out super secret mission.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
But Bill Ackman told young men who he you know what?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I think.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I actually can find the tweet really quickly, Bill, I
here here, I've got it. Here we go. I hear
from many young men that find it is difficult to
meet young women in a public setting. This is billionaire
investor guy Bill Ackman. In other words, the online culture
has destroyed the ability to spontaneously meet strangers. As such,
I thought I would share a few words that I
used in my youth to meet someone that I found compelling.
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I would ask, quote, may I meet you before engaging
in further conversation? Inevitably enabled the opportunity for a further
conversation a lot of really interesting people, Clay. The internet
has been ruthless. Yes, with mister Ackman's may I meet
you advice? Is this surprising to you?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
At all.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
It doesn't surprise me that the internet has destroyed a
rich billionaire who shared his social cues online and they
were quite a lot different than maybe most.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I think if you're.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
A billionaire, I think you can walk up to somebody
and be like, I like you, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You know, I think you're good.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Well, the girls probably know a lot of the billionaires
that are rolling around in rooms. I do think this question, though,
is one that is that is something a lot of
young men are talking about, and I know young women
complain about it, that they're not getting approached like would
have happened in the past, and I think it's because
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young men.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So this is my big thesis on this. You guys
can tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I think many young men have taken to heart the
idea of toxic masculinity and approaching women is seen now
as in their mind somewhat of an aggressive move, and
so there's less rejection involved when you just send somebody
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a message on social media, and so I think it's
just indicative of a decline and overall face to face interaction,
and face to face interaction brings with it the possibility
of rejection, which is really really hard to accept. And
I think guys are afraid that not only are they
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going to get rejected, that they're going to get made
fun of. I mean, trying to approach a group of
girls if you are a guy is insanely difficult because you,
as you're going to go approach, you think, oh, if
she shoots me down, all of the other girls are
going to you know, they're they're going to be making
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fun of the attempt that I have made. May I
meet you is a really really ridiculous I think opening
line I would suggest if young men are out there,
I don't know you were on the bar scene a
lot longer than me. I think humor in an unthreatening
way is a good way to gauge the interest level
of a girl. If she doesn't have a sense of humor,
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I'm just gonna say, you probably don't want to be
with her anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Like that seems miserable to me.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
And so but if you go in with a sort
of light hearted entry point, it isn't aggressive, like over
the top.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Does that make sense to all the single guys out there.
Let me tell you one thing, women like bees can
smell fear. And so when you go up to them.
The most important thing is that your attitude is that
you were effectively on a kamikaze mission. My friends, this
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is all about the story you're gonna tell afterwards about
how slap down you got, how how mocked you were
or whatever. You got to just go in there not care.
I'm not saying try for that to happen, and obviously
be polite and be nice, but I just mean, you
gotta have no fear because they that's you are you?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Are you co sign when you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I mean, the way I think about it is like
being a batter in a baseball game. Most of the time,
even great hitter swing and make no contact. Like if
you you are constantly obsessed with the fact that you're
you know, probably walking, unless you're you know, Matthew McConaughey
or Tom Cruise. I mean, some of you are you know,
incredibly rich and incredibly good looking. And I'm sure everybody
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listening right now, and certainly this is always funny. Everybody
on the internet is always.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Incredibly good looking.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
You know, you somebody's got a pretty girl picture and
they're like, she's not that good looking.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It's like this is pretty like Sidney Sweeney. She's not
that good looking at Bridney Sweeney. She's mid. They say
she's mid.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Hey, I guess if you're into you know, really good
looking twenty five year olds.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
But uh but I could do better.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I think you just have to think of it as
uh as basically, you're a batter out up to and
you're gonna swing and miss a bunch and you might
file one off and it happens.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
This is what you just If.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You're fearless, it's fine. If you're fearless, guys, it's fine.
Also the same way you should go into interviews. You
always for a job, I mean now, you always want
to go into the interview like if I get it,
I don't get it, you know what, I'll figure it out.
I'm gonna put I'm gonna do my thing. I'm gonna
be who I am. Nervousness, anxiety, fear always unappealing. So
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just let it and by this is why I'll tell
you the like pick up artist books that used to
come out back in the nineties. They're a bunch of
that were very famous. A lot of it what they're
a lot of what they teach guys to do and
let me say there's a lot of there's a lot
of bad stuff about being you know, very philandering with
the women and everything, but put that aside. They just
want you to go up. They tell you, just go up,
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and if you're not talking to fifty women a day
or something, and it's not because you're gonna get fifty
phone numbers. The idea is to desensitize you to rejection
because once you're desensitized to rejection, you no longer have fear.
And once you no longer have fear, when you approach someone,
their energy reflecting off of you is gonna be like, Wow,
this guy's just coming up and talking to me. Whereas
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if you go up and you're like, excuse me, goddess,
who is far out of my league, that's not gonna
work for you, even if she is. And by the way,
I have you know, I mean, I I have made
that movie for a look at I'm married to Sometimes
you got to take a swing for the fences.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I think. Also, it's a lot like sales.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
You know, the reason why people who do sales are
successful in life is because they're willing to get rejected.
Most people hide and they fear failure, more than they
crave success. And I think that applies there too. I
will say, Bill Ackmans, may I meet you line is
so incredibly awkward. I bet a bunch of guys are
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sliding in DMS.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It's everywhere now and it's become a perfect Yes, it
has actually become a perfect pickup line because now everyone
gets to be in all the joke. It's and you know,
Bill Ackman is being very he's having a very good
sense of humor about it. He's playing the whole thing
very well too. But it is it is quite funny.
The whole thing has really become very, very amusing. But
people do lack that ice breaker initial skill and once
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you get, once you get good on that, it is
it is a secret way.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Did you have a go to line at a bar
that you would try just to break the ice Did
you have something that you found was now that you're married,
is there a tip?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Did you have a line it was?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I was always very I was always very situational, so
I would just sort of find something. I usually would
comment on something in the environment that was going on
in a funny way, and first sort of just get that,
you know.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Because we talked for a living, so we don't have
a lot of men cannot communicate very well as many
women out there are nodding along. At least we talk
for a living. I had a buddy who had really
good success. He's married, now give it out. He would
go up to girls and he would say, hey, I'm
not the kind of guy to brag, but I have
health insurance. And that was a pretty good ice breaking
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line because it's a ridiculous thing to say, but it
also is kind of like it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Worked really well.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Did he wear cargo shorts with new Balance sneakers when
he pulled that line, because that is a dad line
right there.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I think that's a great line.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I think that you can go with your credit score,
you know, or brag about your mortgage mortgage interest rate,
like I think these are these are things that work
well for the girls once you get a lot of
women have no idea what life costs until they're like
twenty four. So if you're talking to an eighteen year old,
they got no idea. Once you get to be like
twenty four, they start to recognize, wait, it's really expensive
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to live in a good neighborhood, and rint starts to
add up once once you're out in the real world.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Hey, health Insurance.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
That's a line that gets the girls attention and a heartbeat,
just like Prize Picks does.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You can also just go up and say, Hey.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Not to brag, but I'm really good at price picks,
and trust me, there's nothing girls love more than when
guys talk about sports with them.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Out of nowhere, Pam from Alaska listens up on kN
I DD She's got some thoughts for you.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Hey, Clay, I think if you start drinking the Whispering
Angel while you're watching the Hallmark Channel, that's when we
may have a problem.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
What if it's a really good bestpian show it I'm
sorry that I'm just really connected to many of the
love stories that the Hallmark Channel brings to bear on
a day to day basis. In fact, they have filmed
many of these in the town that I lived in, Franklin, Tennessee. EE,
North Carolina called in with a talkback hit it.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Hey, Clay and Buck, is Ali really gone from the
show or is Clay pulling our leg once again?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh, he's definitely pulling. Ali's not allowed to not only
she's not fired, she's not allowed to leave. Like that's
that's not even the thing.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
How big of a jerk would I have to be
to actually fire someone live on the air. I mean,
after four and a half years, I might not be perfect,
but I think most people would say that doesn't really
seem like clay. But again, in fairness, it's not just
a women's rose, it's a gay man's rose too. Is
not necessarily the way to win my heart back. That's
(25:53):
producer Ali on the scurreless attack of Kaylee mcaaney.