January 5, 2026 • 54 mins
📍MMA legend Bas Rutten sits down with David Rutherford to reveal the truth about fear, discipline, faith, and what it really means to become strong — mentally, physically, and spiritually.
Bas breaks down why modern comfort is destroying men, why discipline is the highest form of self-love, how fear actually creates courage, and how mastering your vices is the real path to freedom.
This episode isn’t about fighting — it’s about building a life you can respect, a mind you can control, and a body that obeys you.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:20 - The Warrior’s Mindset
11:12 - How To Change Your Life & Sharpen Your Mind
15:56 - How Bas Embraced Fear & Built Courage For Fights
19:08 - The Physical & Mental Training For A Fight
23:52 - Common Mistakes In Training
28:40 - How Faith Improved Every Area of Life
33:04 - How Can You Be A Christian & Also Train For Fighting?
35:18 - How To Train To Fight & Build Discipline
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In the real world, violence is something that you have
to master. Today, I have one of the people that
has mastered violence both in and outside of the ring
at the highest possible level, mister Boss Rutin, today on
the David Rutherford Show. Boss, it's a wonderful privilege and
(00:28):
a pleasure to welcome you on the Dave Rutherford Show. Sir,
you are a living legend and just so honored that
you would come on with me today.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah. Yeah, Although you know that thing that mastered the
the virus outside, you know, maybe a streets fighting, But
once I started meeting you know, I start training the
Seal teams, you know, I always thought I was a
tough guy that I meet these guys that I go
maybe not so tough. So no, no, that goes through
those guys, trust me.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I let's just start with that then, because you know,
one of the coolest things that I remember for being
in the teams is we had all this great exposure
to these incredible fighters from that era from I went
in in the mid nineties, late nineties, you know, from
Tony Blauer, we had Ken Shamrock that would work with us.
(01:18):
We had all kinds of just incredible pride fighters and
MMA fighters that would come and work with us. How
long have you been working with military units and what
different types of training regiments would you put them through?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Let me see, I think I started a round two
thousand and four or five. I think maybe no, I no, no,
after my fight, So two thousand and six, that's when
I started working with the teams.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And I did that for quite some time, like we.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Did eight years. I would go, wee there or they
will we come to me, and then you know, if
we did it once or twice year, it was that's
really cool. From there, you know, you learn other teams
are jumping on that team as well, so that we
got seven. Now I'm working with the C four Foundation
that helps Yeah, so I'm really I'm teaching there still
and then we got teams also coming in. But they
(02:14):
also to help teams of military guys seals who had
PTSD because you know, you guys see the most crazy
things there are, of course, and they help their families
men together.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's that's why the C four Foundation does.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And I'm really enjoying it. You know, I go to
the yearly charity events do some things there. We sell
private classes from me and two people, and unbelievably people
are paying for it. They're good money because it's just
of course it's the donation and then to have something
in between for it, that's always nice for the people.
(02:52):
So yeah, I really enjoy with the working these guys.
But the guy from my from my childhood of everything
is it's me as habits, you know, I enjoy when
people are on time. I went, they're true to their world,
all these things, you know, and that's when I found
when I found the Seals.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, the Marines and all these guys. Of course I
trade them all.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Uh, that's when you figure out, Okay, that's exactly what
I want, you know, what they say they do and
when they say that they are seven o'clock to go
to be their quarter of the seven.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And that's me.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I enjoy that when people do that.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Well, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You know, there's there's a few types of I guess,
you know, because fighting is a lifestyle.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Being a seal is a lifestyle, and there's.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
There are these commonalities across that warrior class. And you know,
I think one as we look at, you know, some
of the challenges facing our young men today, I think
one of those that aspect of having a regimented and
discipline life is is is something that has escaped them
(03:56):
either from being two connected via the internet or their phone,
but it's really something that helps pretty much develop all
aspects of your personality. Can you just talk about that
a little bit and the impact that that type of
discipline and why combatives is such a positive aspect of
(04:16):
shaping young men in particular to become you know, better adults.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You know, it's just very simple. It's living by the
natural rules, right. I mean, somebody sent me a picture.
Yes they met my son in law actually, and it
wasn't two times. They could look it up right now,
but it's somewhere. Then you get, okay, I'm gonna show
because it's crazy. This was there was a guy who
was four hundred pounds and in eighteen ninety they people
(04:48):
paid to see a person like that being four hundre
positive because it was unheard of. Nobody was like that,
a four hundred pound guy. It was the circus. People
would go there and pay for it because it was
something you didn't see, you see, And that's slowly but surely,
as we're coming too soft, you know, the whole world
becomes too soft. But if you just live by the
(05:09):
rule states, everybody wants to be happy, and we all
buy our happiness. You know, we think happiness, pleasure is happiness,
but it's not. You know, we just buy the new car,
but that does dope of meat effect goes away again,
and then you need the newest one because the better one.
Why why would we need all that stuff? And I
was a victim to that as well, you know, until
I started seeing these things that go and it's so sad.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
We complain about everything.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
We have the best, Like one hundred years ago, we
didn't have for warm showers. That's like in nineteen twenty
one or something. This is where it came out. I mean,
think about that. And now it's you know, I do
the Exodus ninety. It starts on January fifth. It's a
Catholic program. Or three months. You can only take cold showers.
You have two fasting days. You know, you can't watch TV,
(05:51):
you can't go on the internet, you can't do anything
only for your job.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You can do it for the rest you can. So
now we have to start reading books.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But once I tell people that and I say, oh,
by the way, you can only take cold showers. Seventy
percent hookshow, We're not doing it anymore, And I go,
how can you?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
How can you even say that in front of me?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You're not ashamed that you can say that you cannot
take a cold shower.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
And I think that is what is wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And if we keep feeding on pleasures and we're just
buying out pressures, then pleasures don't mean anything anymore. You know.
But once you have to work for something, and you
get some discipline and you work hard for whatever it is.
I like my grandson to say, my son in law
is here and I'm cleaning up the front yard, and
he says, let me do it. I said, no, I
actually enjoy this because after I'm done, I feel good
(06:37):
about what I just did. Other people said I'm gonna
do tomorrow. I'm going to do tomorrow. You see. I
think we need to change that. I think a person
a real managing control of his mind and of his body.
I want your dad, that's that's a real man. The
guy who can say no after two drinks to a
third drink. That man can say no to all the
freaking vices out there. And there's a lot of them
who can after an hour say, hey, you know today,
(06:57):
I'm going to spend one hour on online and that
you put it lot to it. It's I have two
times thirty minutes or whatever it is. But you know,
I just said it to my wife this morning. The
average seventeen year old spends ninety one percent of his
free time online right now. So all your goals, everything
that you want to try to fulfill life is gone.
(07:18):
There's no time for it anymore because you don't have time. No,
you spend eight hours a day on that freaking thing.
So it needs a big change. I think we see
it already. A lot of kids are starting to see
it because they want to be like a tough guy.
And it's not even a tough guy. A real man
is just the guy who has that owner control. That's
a real man, a tough guy. If you break that down.
The definious guy wants to fire the words. But that's
(07:39):
what the dictionary said. That's not a tough guy at all.
He's not in control of any of usations, right, you know,
and all the vices. Once you're not in control, you're
not a tough man. Your slave to all these vices
out there. You know. At once that clicks with me,
which was when I got back to the church, and
it was in twenty fourteen. It was a hit in
my face. Man, it was like, whoa jeez, I've been
(07:59):
really like that, you know. Okay, now that's just never
to any to change. Right, Let's see if I can
completely control everything in my life, every aspect. And it's hard,
but that takes a lot of work, and some of
these things take a lot of time, but.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
You got to stay on it. It's like a habit.
You'd have to create a new habit.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And once a habit is there, you got to be
very vigilant because as easier of no, it's not easy
to get acquire it, but it's really easy to lose
it again if you just don't do it a few times,
you see. So yeah, thankfully, my mindset has always been
like on time. Like I said before, true to my
words or whatever I tell myself I really want to do.
(08:37):
You're the first person in the world. I always say
that you shouldn't lie to the most important one because
once you start lying to yourself, that's when addiction. That's
where everything starts. So once you say, okay, tomorrow morning,
going to trade at eight o'clock, work out tomorrow at
eight o'clock. Because if you don't, you already become weaker.
It's easier to say no the next time, you know,
and that becomes a thing, and suddenly it's like it
(08:58):
doesn't mean anything anymore because you're already have fifty times
yes he didn't do it. Now you become weak. And
that's the same with drugs, with alcohol, and sex, with
the food, with all every vice out there, control the vices,
control the sensus. You know, once you can do that,
you become such a better person. I'm reading Marcus Aurelius,
you know the book, you know, and he was not
(09:18):
a big question. Fun actually persecuted him. But if you
look at this, are all the Catholic principles that are
Catholic stuff are but praying all day long. No Catholic
is simply having yourself on the control. If you look
at the knights, tamplers and on all these these guys,
those were real men, and they came home and they
put the wife on the pedestal. They were the best husbands,
(09:39):
the best fathers, no vices, no nothing.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yes, are the bad ones.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Everyone has bad ones, of course, but we in society
we focus on those No, no, no, let's focus on
the ninety seven percent of the other ones who do
really good things. What about that? You know, but that's
not the world because it's easier to point at the
bad people so that you don't have to do it
as well. Oh, it's all comfort, That's what it all is.
(10:04):
That it shouldn't be comfort.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Well, it's interesting, you know as I as I again
revisited your history and you you know, from overcoming your
sickness as a kid, right from being kind of shut
down by your parents, from fighting and then you finding
it and getting in and then you know, even while
during your professional career, constantly adapting to the different styles
(10:28):
that you were facing and learning and getting better. And
then you know, my favorite one was you know, I
watched your YouTube video and finding your faith and you know,
again realizing there was some a missing piece of your armor,
if you will, that armor of God, and then adapting
and getting into it. You know, how, how are the
(10:49):
what are the ways that people can become aware there's
a gap in their life and that they should change,
and what and what are they looking for to guide
them towards a change, a more positive change, to give
them strength or control, as you call that discipline of
your emotional state.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
They should realize that they're a slave to whatever advice
they're doing. If it's food, it's food. If you look
in the mirror you have a grocery overweight, you're fat.
That's what you should call it. Also, don't call it overweight,
call it fat. Look at the David doggets right, he said,
at the moment I said the word fat, that's what's
when I started changing. Call it what it is. You know,
(11:32):
we all try to pet these things down. Oh no,
and you can be any person you want to, but
you can't. You can't.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I want to be a jet fighter pilot, but my
ad agency is not going to work.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I'm going to cry to figure. You see, there's always
these things that you can't do. I would say, be
honest to yourself, find something that you love and then
you know, just imagine what you've been doing right now
it didn't work for your entire life. Well, you're going
to have to change because the definition I will always say,
it's sand indeed, right, that's what it is. Doing the
same thing over again, expect a different outcomes. It's not working,
(12:02):
So you're gonna have to change and change is hard
for a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But you if you as a new Year's resolution coming up.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
If by the way, ninety ninety two percent doesn't fulfill
their New Year's resolutions.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
But if you just for six weeks go to a gym,
you watch your food and go for six weeks to
a gym, you just force yourself to do it, You're
going to be blown away with what you can do
in six weeks with watching your food and working out.
We have these contests in our gym.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I used to because I assault the gym now, but
as you won't change people completely in six weeks and
then it's just six weeks. But once you're in there
and you see the change and you start feeling better
because of the mind. To buddy, it needs to work together.
If you have an unhealthy body, the mind doesn't work.
If I go to do a show and have to
memorize a big opening, you know I always work out
(12:51):
in the morning. Why because that memorization goes in half
the time if I work out, and if I don't
work out, I'm going to have that I'm struggling much more.
You just need to completely in sync as what we
were designed for and Once you start doing that, that's
six weeks in two months in But that's too long
for people. We have to short atention span, right, that's
why they do this is all on design, you know.
(13:13):
But if you if you really do it, then you
see the fruits of it. And once you start seeing
the fruits of it, you're gonna go, whoa, that's only
six weeks. I can do this longer. And that's when
people start to change. And yes, you fall back like
I was two days ago. I drank a few drinks
here and you know, we get a big party, thirty
people there. It happens. So being boom next day, rest
(13:33):
and working out again. Oh but I don't feel like
working out. It's a little bit of a hangover workout.
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
If you put some time apart for a workout.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Use that work use that time even when you're sick,
go very light, but still use that time. So you
don't break that habit and you do something, you know,
and it's it that everybody can do it, and it's
amazing that people who are doing it, they go, I
wait that everybody would see this, you know, because it
is so good and really like that you don't get
sick anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Just this morning, I talked to my life. My wife
said to me, it's just, you know, we don't get sick.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Anymore, you know it.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
It's just watching food and just working out.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's it. It's it's really not science. It's just doing
what we have designed to do and that overeating. It
all comes from something. It's hard, but.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You're going to have to make that step and you're
going to have to make the change.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
All right, let's get into some more of the deeper
h psychological aspects that impede those changes. And I and
I I believe and this is based on you know,
not you know, my career and the teams, but at
the CIA going down range, is that the one you know,
constant state or emotion was always fear regardless, you know,
(14:47):
there was always fear there in some capacity. And I
think as I, you know, spent a bunch of years
trying to research fear and where it comes from and
how it kind of manipulates our perceptions, you know. I
I was able to go back and look at the
ways that I persevered in the midst when the fear
was greatest. And then also you know, talking to some
(15:08):
of my friends who have you know, four hundred five
hundred combat missions, you know, and going hey man, you
know on your you know, four hundred and fiftieth combat mission,
were you afraid?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And then like being ru are you an idiot? Yeah,
of course I was afraid.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I just had all these other things I had done
so I was able to execute on whatever the mission
in front. So could you just give your thoughts on
what fear is and then how as what do we
have that we can not necessarily control fear but manage
it and understand it and then use it as a driver.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well, it's you kind of said it already. It's just
preparation for whatever you're going to do, you know. And
if you go if you go to a fights, for instance,
and you and you know you cannot go to distance,
there's always this fear because you know that if this
guy turns it open, you'll get you're going to lose
the fight. So make sure that you're always in shame.
And that's the same with you guys. And that's what
I always say. Oh MMA, it's so dangerous, Say no, no,
(16:07):
it is a referee. You guys get killed. You know,
you don't know how you react the first time. Nobody knows.
You know. It's like like if you're a good fighter
in the gym and you get spar and you're working
your circles around, even the world chaps doesn't mean anything
if you can perform it under pressure. Some people fault.
A lot of them fault, and a lot of them
(16:27):
and a bunch of them don't. And the ones who
starts controlling it like they can do it in the gym,
which took like nine fights for me, took a long
time until I was finally relaxed, you know, But it's
just doing it. The problem with military is that you
know you do it, that you're making a mistake.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
They might get shut in the head.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
You see, we make a mistake, we get armbard, we
tap on the fighters over so what nothing really happens.
So so the cause of effect is always very big,
and it depends on whatever it is. I was in
the beginning, I was more nervous to do in interviews
that I was for fighting. And then you know, but
then you do, you do ten interviews, it becomes normal.
(17:08):
Everything becomes normal. Everything is almost like advice. You know,
if you really think about it, you know, because you know,
you sensitize it. I always say the people Tom guy
who becomes a rapist, well it starts with looking and
that a certain moment doesn't do anything for me, and
he has to up the game in order to say
get that same feeling back. And slowly, but you starts
increasing and now become violence. Now becomes fluly something bad,
(17:31):
you see, but you they get used to it.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
How can you cut somebody up in four pieces?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well, I'm pretty sure the first time he did, maybe
they were throwing up, you know, but you know you
do five times.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
It's like an animal.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's how they You see the most insane things that
we think, how is that even possible? It never started
like that, you know. And like I said, with the military,
they put you under crazy situations, but you know, there's
no real bullets at that moment when when you're practicing,
you know, and then that's fear in your head, like, hey,
one mistake, it's just one mistake, and there's the fifty
(18:03):
people out there shooting on you. Only one needs to connect,
you know. And now see if you still do everything
that you were taught to do, that is controlling.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So but the only way to get there is just
to overwork it. That's why with me, I overdo things.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I really like to be completely prepared before I go
in because that takes a lot of nerves away.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, and I love the way you always describe that
when you know when you're doing your fight commentary in
terms of training to do you know an ankle lock,
or you're adapted to you know, a better ground game,
or you know your strikes adapted to the particular fighter,
And it really becomes specific and how you address So
(18:46):
what are what's your best advice to set up like
training routines or a training regiment that's relative to a
specific outcome.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh, it's you know what I now we're talking game
planning also, I guess that right, yeah, yeah, So I
would like look at an opponent and if I saw
but most of the time minutes to the ponent on
my on my organization, like in bankers already know what
he always does.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
There's certain things that they always do.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
They moved back. It was made maybe ninety percent of
the time they go to the right for me, right,
you know, like little things like that he crosses his
feet when he walks left to the side. Okay, use
that against him and picked these things out that he
and then I start looking back at the other fights
and oh yeah, he did hit the okay, so that
is something that's ingrained him. Let's work on that. Let's
make that my my ace in my pocket. So to say,
(19:40):
the last car. If by the last fight he want
me to spinning hooky to the head, that doesn't mean anything.
If he never did that before, he could have just
thrown a wild cart and I was a hit. If
you got to completely focus on that, I wouldn't do it.
But on the regular stuff and then just drill. I mean,
if I tell people I did combinations ten thousands of times,
I really mean it. I'm a crazy animal man. I
(20:02):
get three combinations and then I just pull them in
there and then over and over again and starts really slow.
Everything needs to be good because if you go fast
and it's bad, and film yourself.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
That's what I used to do when I was fighting
as well in training.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I would just feel myself if I'm hitting a bag,
you know, to see if I do rotate my open
Boddy would have a single punch I throw. Because I'm
preaching it now, I better do it, you see, and
then you look on the video at the video, and
you always see it. Yes you're doing it, but you're
never doing it as you thought you were doing it.
You can do it better.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
There's always room for provement. It's never perfect.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And I think if you have that mindset, that's it
and then go in with a boatload of stamina. Yeah,
that's how I will prepare for a cert to fight.
But then again there's the wild guard, right. You never
know what happens.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
So that's why I always say I use the things that.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
They always do. I don't look at the last few
fights because that's something. If you hit a really hot
in the face like by DYSA said, right, I hope
the implant might be gone again because the game plan
until they get hit, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
So that's true, it's really true. Oh it's not working.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It's not working, you know, and then they fall back
into their own patron Some guys stay with it, like
a Georgia Pierre for instance. That's the guy who you
can tell every time when he starts fighting. I said, oh,
we worked on his bankic and he did the front
kick and he's reading with the jab. Those are the
three aspects he was working on. I can tell right
away and whatever happens, even if they hit him and
connecting a few times, he sticks with that game plan.
(21:32):
And for that you need to be very under control.
And that comes from a guy and who says it himself, right,
So that's why I'm asking it. It comes from him.
Like I saw him fight. His fourth fighter was on
the show that my student Dwaine Ludwig knocked out. Jan's
ball Room was the UFC champion at the time. Left
the uc came to another organization and between knocked him out. GEORGEA.
(21:55):
Pierre was fighting on the same card and I after
his fight, I went to him and I said, and
I said to him, I saw me backstage and I said, hey,
what's you name? Again? He goes George. I said, come
over here please, and I'm talking to hey, mister, how
you doing? I said, dude, you're going to be the
next world champion, right, And he goes, are you're thinking that?
You know? I know that. I mean the way you
(22:16):
control the distance everything, you know you're going to be
the next champion.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
So oh, thank you, thank you so much. And then
he says, get ask you something. I go show.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
He says, how is it that, you know, the phrase
for your fight before the fives. I said, who told
you that? And he goes, well, you look very calm.
I say, everybody's afraid that, you know. It's just how
you deal with it, you know. And George is super
afraid in the dressing room. That's what he tells and interviews,
you know, and then people going, oh, he's a sissy,
and sissy if you're that afraid but you're still fight
(22:46):
just remember, you know, without fear, there's no courage, right
So for a person like that, he has way more
courage than a person like me who found out that
at the moment. I know that at the moment of
the references fight, I'm in my own bubble, I always
call it. And if I will be nervous the day
before or the day of the fight, you know, I'm
just thinking, Oh, I'm just literally focusing on that moment,
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and I know what it's gonna be okay, you know,
because it's gonna be gone, it's going to be stopped.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And people need to find a moment like that.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Most of the time it's that exact moment because Noe
suddenly now there's the focus, you know, and that one
person in front of you and then if you can
fight like you do with the nojo, Yeah, that's the trick.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I also got to work with Andrey Arvlovsky the pitbull
for three fights as well too, And I remember before
the second fight, it was out in Big Vegas event,
and you know, I'm looking at him and I'm like,
I'm like, and this is his eighteenth year at fighting,
and I'm just I'm like, Andre, you know, what are
you feeling right now?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Or you know, and he.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Goes, you know, in typical Andre fashion, He's like, what
the fuck do you think I'm feeling? I'm not ready
to go get in a fight, you know. And I'm like, oh, okay,
that that was a profound statement for me, because it's like, oh,
you know, it would be a mistake if he didn't
have a little bit of that going on. And so
and so the question I have for you is what
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are the most common mistakes people make as they're about
ready to engage in violence.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
That's exactly what you said, you know, And I tell
us everybody, if you.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Do, if the fear is gone, there's no repercussions.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's why you start making mistakes, you know, you need
a little bit of fear. Oh man, What did I
want to say about that? Fear is really good to
keep you on your toes, to to to keep your sharp.
Oh man, as soon as you mentioned that, there was
something going through my head that I wanted to say, Oh, okay,
so for but I this is what I always tell
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people who are very nervous before a fight. I have
some fighters. I had some fighters in the past who
for both completely underperformed with what they can They're possible. Well,
those fighters are most of the time guys who want
to fight because it's cool. They tell the whole freaking world, right,
I'm going to fight, have a I have a cage fight,
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just a mixed martial arts match.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Don't say the word cage. You don't need to say that.
It's all attention seeky stuff for that, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And by the way, once they lose three in a
row because of that, I will not allow them to
talk about fighting anymore. You cannot have wear a T
shirt that had something with MMA on it or fighting
on it. You cannot if we go to twenty for
our fitness that we're training it. Later on we're in
the jacuzzi. You can talk about fighting. As soon as
another person steps in who doesn't know anything about fighting,
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you stop talking about fighting. You don't say, oh, I
we had this one kid. He goes to subway station.
He says, I said, what do you like, Sir? I said, well,
I'll take you a chicken sentwich because I have a
cage fight coming up this lucky look, I go, why
would you say that? You pull all the and then
you start telling all these people are it's going to
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be easy, it's going to be easy. I'm gonna rip
hiss head off, I'm going to do this, I'm going
to do that, and before the show, I'm going to
do this, and now booms, this is the show. And
now you don't have to come up. Oh yeah, I'm
gonna kill him. Here's nothing he said, nobody. Oh say,
so now you're facing nobody. You better win against nobody.
Is you put the pressure on yourself. Stop talking always
stop highly of him. And then just before the fight,
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they see themselves on the big screen saying all these things. Yeah,
now you better do it. You see. So with those people,
what I do. I take him out of state. I
won't allow him to talk about anything any of the fight.
You're not telling anybody you're going to fight. We are
going to a different state. There's nobody there that knows you.
You fight.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
When you win, you can come back and you say, hey, I.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Just want to fight. If you lost, you don't even
have to say anything. That by itself will take a
lot of pressure of it. And there's another story that
I do also with fighters that seems to work really well.
I always say, like a week before the fight, if
my fighter would be nervous, you know, he says, oh
my god, this fight's going to be hard. I go, Okay,
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imagine this. Imagine your opponent walks in right now and
you go into that room. That room doesn't have any windows,
nobody can see you long the door, nobody can come in,
and you guys fight and then winning or losing, you're
not allowed to say who won, who were lost? What
you care if you would lose, and they, every one
of them, they gonna know and they go. So that
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means that you're not fighting for yourself. That means you're
fighting for other people. And if you fight for other people,
for I need to win because I need to double
the pay I need to for my family. You're putting
too much pressure on yourself keeping a game. It's a
fun game. You know that he can have a better day,
so what you can have a better day, then you win.
But once they see that, once you take all the
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social media and the people who know it better, who
never stepped in a freaking dojo, but they know it
better than you, you know, once you take it all
out of the equation and you're just with the two
of you, it's like shooting hoops. I tell people I
don't really care if I win or lose, and it's
the same inspiring. Yeah, I might be my ego might
be a little bit hurt if he hits me more
than I hit him, But I go to what's part
of the game. You know, it's part of the game.
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So if you treated like that, you have the least
amount of fear. That means don't care about what everybody says.
You can't control what other people think. They'll think it anyway,
so let it go.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I love that. I love that. Let's pivot a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So you know, as I watched you know, the video
about you and your faith and moving from a place
where you thought you know all of the mythology behind
religion was just that and it didn't have that profound impact.
And what it's done for you as you acknowledge your
true faith in Christ and through your through being a
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good Catholic, how how has that helped you fight all
of the other things in your life? Like what has
your your your faith in your religion gave given you
in terms of strength and confronting the world as a
father now, as a grandfather, as a person that's a teacher,
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in all the different ways that you touch people, how
does faith.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Guide you in those in those lessons? Now you know
it's it's.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
All the lessons we know, but we never do it.
You know. It's that three day neighbors ourself. We all
know this line, but nobody does it. But I mentioned
everybody would do. I mean, these are two greats commenced. Well,
love God, do everything you got, all you might, all
your power, all your strike to all that. And then
number two street ten neighbors ourself. Just imagine if you're
an atheists, forget about number one. Just do talking about
two three people like you treat yourself. That's it, you know,
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And once you I just started realizing that I needed
the newest borshe and I need to oh this is
a cool watch. Oh it's eighteen thousand dollars ago, Well
it's kind of cool. Why, well, you know, you you
start doing these stupid things and every time you're trying
to feel something, and they always talk about that hole
that you can't fill. Well, that's it. You're trying to
fill with pleasure. What pleasure you can buy. By the way,
(29:56):
your car doesn't make you smarter. A tank doesn't make
you smarter. It's nothing that makes you smart. You can
have a billion dollars, you can still be an idiot
or a bad person or any It could completely douche
you know. So once you start realizing that nothing really
makes you who you think you are, that you don't need.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
The three hundred dollars sneakers to be cool.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
And guess what, the people who think you are cool
with those those are not your real friends. They're idiots
who thinks you're cool because you have a car. It's
a very simple rule. If this one i'm a good
about to buy or do or say or any action
is going to make me mentally smarter, mentally stronger. And
for a question, you should be very simple. Is it
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going to bring me closer to god, you know, but
if like get if you're atheist, is going to make
me smarter? What is going to make me mentally stronger?
And if it doesn't do that any of those two things,
why would you do it? Why would you be an
hour or two hours, three hours on a four Why
would you play a video game that is atlas? Why
would you waste all that time while we're on earth
to learn an art, you know, to do something. So
(30:58):
once I realized that because I was filling it, I
was feeling good with drugs, I was feeling a good alcohol,
I was filling it with anger with you know, I
was constantly trying to fill those holes. And you look
online with anger, right, people are so angry and they
get a dop of mean rush from it. It is
it's proven now, you know, in order now in order
to get that same anger, you gotta be more angry,
because just like any vice, you need more of it
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in order to get the same effect, and then it
starts getting out of control. But once you realize that,
you can simply stop that and you don't have that
anger anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You don't need that food anymore, you don't need the.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Alcohol and the drunks and all that, you know, you
start realizing, Wow, why did I do this when I
was twenty? Why I have been such an idiot? I mean,
I'm figuring it out and I'm sixty. I'm my god,
what a dumb ursus. And that's why you will never
see me judge others when they're drunk and crazy and go,
I'm the last person to judge this, you know. But
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at least I figured it out, and I still have
guys now, and I'm not having to get everything on
the control. It's not like I'm sitting here and say
I'm completely free of every single vice. No, no, no,
It's a daily freaking work. You know. You have to
work for it. But that's what makes it so interesting,
you know, if you really want to have a dream
during your day and then saying no, and then later
on before you go to sleep and go, oh my god,
(32:13):
I'm so happy I didn't do it, because that one
can be to do and then you know, so then
you're proud of yourself that you didn't do it. Keep
that moment in there so because the next attack is
going to come again. There's always these things, but it's
it's just hard. But once you do it that whole
that you're searching for. It gets filled and it's not material,
it's nothing that you can buy. It's just being true
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to yourself. That's it.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Amen, Amen, all right?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
The one thing that I get presented a lot and
they're like, you know, hey, Rod, you know, how how
can you be a Christian and then also maintain that
warrior ethos? Like how can you have be a violent
man and be a Christian in the same in the
same breath.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
How would you answer that?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Boss? Well, for you, it's easy. You're protecting the sheep, right,
You guys are the sheep dogs and you're protecting the
sheep from the wolf.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
So boom, that's easy because it's a job.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And you need to be there.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
For fighting.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's different because we just but it's only because people
don't understand it. People don't understand that for me, fighting
somebody is the same as again, shooting hooks with him.
It's a game. We're trying to figure out who's the best. Now,
are there bad guys? Where I said in the opening
of this show, you always have these guys who feel
the need to break the arm. But if I got
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somebody in an armbar, you know I don't want to
break his arm. I'm going to give him a chance
to tap and then the fighter is over. I'm not
gonna hurt him. And all the talking that you see
against each other, well, first of all, I never did that,
and second of all, it's most of the time it's
fake anyway, because these guys are the camaraderie among fighters
you have. People have no idea. I mean, I'd always
say this. I can't go pretty much to any country
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in the world, and the only thing I have to
pick up is stell for say, hey, can I spend
a night with you whoever it is, because he can
do it to me as well. You know, that's the
camaraderie that you get over these years because we all
go through the same stuff, the same work outs, the
same injes, the same working around, the injuries and the
trouble and the marriage and this, and then it's all
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the same. And once the camaraderie is born, there's no violence.
We don't hate each other at all. Maybe before the fight,
I don't like to see my opponent, you know, I said, hey,
what's up? You know, but I'm not gonna sit down
with him have a drink, you know. We'll do that
after the fight. And that's literally what I did, Like
Yoshi Koshaka, the guy afforded to U see my first fight,
and literally.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Because I know him. I know the guy, he's a
good guy.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
And I went to his dressing room like an hour
before I go, hey, hek I'm gonna try to knock
you out, buddy. I hope you do the same thing
with me. We'll drink a beer after it sounds good.
He goes, yeah, it with shoehads and then we go
in you know. So, yeah, that's that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Yeah, I love that. All right, let's just let's talk
about in terms of the current fight.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
We just had another ridiculous Logan Paul fight that brought
in like ninety million for each fighter. We've got, you know,
UFC events pretty much every weekend all over the world.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
We've got now.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
UFC BJJ, We've you know, there's all these different fight
uh entertainment groups all over the world. Where do you
think the future of fighting is going? And and if
you were a young if you are advising a young
person who's interested to learning how to fight, where would
you direct them?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Well? Yeah, first of all, you're going to start, right,
That's the first thing the young fighter always say, trying
to understand what you're what they teach you.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
And uh and ond percent says, oh, no, I do,
but you don't.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
They don't you know if I if I see guys
on the main guards that you see make you submission
mistakes that you should learn as a.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
White belt, and you don't. You know what you look like,
but you don't understand the mechanics.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
That's the thing with me when I started, because I
taught myself and I said, oh wait a minute, you
do this to me.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'm out, Okay, how can I stop that?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Because there's going to be other guys like me, right,
I mean, I cannot be so stupid to think that
I'm the only one. That the guys are way.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Better than I mean, so how do I stop it?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And I start experimenting, And once you understand the body
mechanics of why it hurts and why this twist makes
a little bit more and more pain than this, and
then you know, then then it's easier to understand like combinations.
If I go to a to a teacher seminar, you
know there will never be that I'm going to say, Okay,
give him a three shot of a liver shot that
will never happen. It's like that, I guess you get
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it on the back. With me, everything has a meaning.
With me, everything is like we fake him out like this,
and I do a certain thing, and we fake him out,
and we've spread it out over one round. Every time
when you do something, you over commit to a certain movement,
like you cross to the chapter the body, which is
a stupid punch. It's not even going to hurt him
because you're standing in a way of thing. But once
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I constantly could lower myself with that punch, with that punch,
he starts in his mind identifying me lowering myself with
that punch. And once I do this, and I see
I'm already reacting. Now I ripen them. That's it, that's
the setup. And now I don't even have to punch anymore.
Now I only have to do this. And as soon
as I do this, he's the punch, and then my
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real punch is going to come. You see. So if
everything has a reason, and I do this with every
single combination, I give you a pattern that three hooks
to the hat, and especially with the three hugs to
the hat.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Land oh acknowledge it nice?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Right? And then I just keep going and I certainly
pop up pop three punches again. If those land, that's it.
Next time it's going to be added a liver shot
because now he's going to be ready for those three punches. Here,
I'm calm. You can literally tell him so he knows,
oh shit, hands go up, and now he add a
liver shot. You see.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
So everything has a reason to do. And that's what
I tell people.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
If you go in all your submissions and the submissions
is antless, you can never master it. There's so many
combinations and setup that you can That was the thing
with me once I realized, wait a minute. If I
created a different setup, a setup that he never did before,
or somebody ever never did on him before, I'm.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Gonna get you.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
If he can be a black belt that does it better.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
If he doesn't know it, he's gonna get caught.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
If ras a striker and the striker finds the setup
that I'd never seen before, never experienced before, chances are
high that you've got to connect with it, you see,
So be different. Don't always listen to it. Always listen
to the coach, but then start experimenting yourself. There's always
room for improvement, there's always ways to make the move
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fit better to your body. Also, some people just fight different,
you know. Then you have to just certain techniques and
then you start stealing, right, That's why we all do it.
That's how we speak, that's how we do anything in life.
It's just stealing. You know. You think the grace is
if had the Brazilian jiu jitsu, put the bee for
a Brazilian jiu jitsu gracy jiu jitsu, but that it
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came from judo, and you see so and Judo got
us from somewhere and so, and then you just say, hey,
that's a cool move.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
And write it down. I used to log everything.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I used to lock my workouts. I used to log
every time that I do. I'm logging right now. I
just started pile training again. How many sets I do
and what weight you know, and I just write it
down because at every workout it needs to be at
least that same or always more. I can never go
down with it, you know. That's my mindset. And once
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you start doing that, you're simply training your buddy. Like
we have that workout. Write the audio workout, which, by
the way, I made thirty two new ones. It's called
the Fightingmachine dot Com eight week course insane like profilers
going to go on, whoa what kind of combinations? Anyway.
One of those workouts is called to the MMA workout.
It's with sprawls. A lot of military are using it overseas.
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They sent me videos I mean border patrol, I mean
they were stopping me in Vancouver that they have to
know it's for the test.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Actually if they don't know the workout for the test
to pass the test.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
They told me over there. So, but the sprawls are
kicking your butt because what it does it interrupts your
breathing pedal the whole time. You throw points going Papa, Papa,
defans here and they have to sprawl, get back up
and right away in the ex coombinations coverage, go back
and forth. It's very hard on the party. Well, we
do five hours of that and the minute break we
filled up with the kettlebell swings. We have pro fighters
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coming in who can do the warm up because they
never did it before, and you go, how on earth
can you do this? I said, this is just a
warm up. We didn't even start doing. Yeah, right, it's
gonna be worse, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
But it's simple.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
You simply do it and suddenly that's that click and
then and not me, my whole class can do it.
So that should be the proof right there.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
And you can do it as well. We're nothing special,
We're just human.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
You just have to simply do it. But you see
it again, you have to do it. Work on your weaknesses.
My left hand wasn't good. I did everything three times
more with my left. My left kick wanted to be struggled.
Everything I did with my right I did three times
more with my left. Kicks, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
And yeah, of course you would go better.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Merkel Crocov knocks people out right with all these cakes
of kicks to the body and freaking. And I said,
how do you get to that level he gets after
every workout, I throw a thousand high kicks on the back.
Oh there you go. What did Bruce Willie say, I'm
not worried about the guy who knows ten thousand kicks.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I'm worried about the guy who knows one kick, but.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Did it ten thousand thousand times. Well, he does twelve thousand.
I'm a good Yeah, twelve thousand times a week. It
becomes good at it, of course, and I hear that,
but nobody doesn't because you need a discipline for that.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
And if you have extreme discipline, like a mehicle co CoV,
he simply doesn't.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
It's like when I tell myself I'm going to do
ten rounds, I will be doing ten rounds, not gonna
stop at night because I can't sleep. I'm going to
think I'm such a sissy. If I do that, I'm
gonna have to do it. And even if I do
it half speed doesn't matter. I did my ten rounds,
and that's what people should do. Most of the time.
They think, yeah, but if I don't do full power
that it doesn't count anyway. You might as well stop. No,
(42:03):
don't do that. Do to ten months that you said
do in best power. Who cares, But you did it.
Finish the time that you set aside for you to
work out, and that's simple. It takes you two months maybe,
and then it's normal.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Everybody can do it, or your whole class can do it.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Everybody, So I'm just doing it, man.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
I love it all right. Last question for you, mister Rutin.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
There's let's say a young man watches this, sees your
videos online feels that that that spirit inside them wants
to get started. What would be your guidance to get
started in not only learning discipline, but learning discipline through
some type of fighting technique.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
What would you say to that person?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, again, you know, I would say, first of all,
get the book The Alchemist by Paula Cooilo. Get that
book and we'll change your life. It's nothing about fighting
at all, but that's what we'll set you goal.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
It's a very simple book. You read it in four
or five hours, you're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
This is the book. It's about a sheep herder. Trust me,
It's sold over one hundred and twenty million copies. So
there's a reason for that, you know. So get that book,
easy read and even if you don't like to read,
it will set you on the path. And then it's
just doing it. But then it is again it's whatever
you do. Make sure it's technically perfect. Like I give
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you an example I on my YouTube pages. If I
give an a a tutorial about food work, you know,
so that you can never cross your feet. You have
to open first, then you have to close reach your feet.
You know, I war a power come from if video
like that is the most very most important thing in
finding because and that I get maybe thirty five forty
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thousand fuse. If I show the left with liver shot
set up combination, I get half a million fuels, and
I go, it should be the other way around. People
should really drill in because that liver shot you can't
throw if you have bad footwork, and people don't capitalize
when you have bad foods work.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
So focus on the basics. Yeah, but I already know him.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
No. I had a guy coming in profile and just
knocked out the Russian do it. They thought he was
a god knows what. But anyway, I'm walking in. He's
training with a trainer for my gym, and he says, hey, boss,
I'm happy here. Please tell me whatever you see me
make a mistake, make mistake you see me make, Please
tell me. I want to get better. Sure, So I
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look at him and I'm.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Very fast, and I know I can't do this. This,
I think is one of my gifts.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I guess simply within one minute I can see a
lot what you do wrong and how to fix it.
So but after this twenty minutes he goes to me
and I go, it was a lot, and he goes, okay,
what is And I give you one thing? I said, Okay,
what's the one thing? I said?
Speaker 3 (44:44):
But the low gig you don't step in.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So what happens If you keep your standing foot your
toes are pointing out, you can not really hit in
an angle. You're always going to kick upwards because you
don't open jump your hips. That means you spreading out
the impact. That means she hits with the flap out
of his shin bone, which is more easy to absorb
for a kick that when you hit with the pointy
part of the shinbow.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
When you do that, you know so about technique, the
kick will be harder.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
I do the whole explanation. What are the other things? Nothing?
Fix this first? We go do the next thing. And
a week later, and I'm not saying anything anymore. Once
they don't do it, I've just stopped because you're okay,
So what is the next thing? I say, No, you
have to first fix your first thing. You've been doing
this for a week. You didn't even fix your first thing,
so why would I tell you the second thing? If
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you don't listen to me, it's not really working, you
know so, And that's what I say, with fighting, make
it perfect. And because if you do a drill, you
do it a thousand times on the bank. When you
do it a thousand times wrong, right, practice makes perfect. No,
perfect practice makes perfect. That's what it is. Right because
if you do it a thousand times wrong, now you
have to unlearn all that stuff again. That's why I
(45:50):
was filming myself, Not because I love to see myself
on film. No, I wanted to see if I was
actually doing what I sat I told myself I was
going to do. And once you do that with every
day and that the bleathrock ups. Right. I mean jiu jitsu,
I mean, do you have the combinations? As I mentioned before,
they're atlas. But you know, you watch really good guys,
(46:10):
you start getting techniques. That technique I like, write it down,
don't type it down, write it down, put it in
a log, and start using it in your class. So
once you have ten of those things, you say, oh,
this one worked, this one, this one didn't really work,
scratch it, don't need it anymore, but use the ones
that really work. And then every month or so two months,
because you believe that those techniques are so great, I
(46:33):
will remember, you won't because you get overflown with things,
and then a month later or six weeks later, you
start reading your notes. You're getting go, oh my god,
this thing, Yeah, I should choose this more. You see,
you start re sparking the brain and just by looking
at it you know already how to do it. But
now it's back into your mind.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
You know, and those things you have to do it.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
I did twenty four to seven man after my lost
loss by submission.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
I just went to town with one guy at one sparring.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Partner, and I never lost a fight anymore, right, because
I simply I simply focused only on the submissions. Nobody
was going to strike with me. Let's go submissions and
let's go crazy. Now.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
The whole house was.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Little post its with combinations on it, setups, new setups.
My wife would get jokes, my wife would get wake
up in the middle of the night, get armart or whatever.
You know.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I would work the shoulder, oh yeah, and not just
one time.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
I was like insane, but I loved it, you know.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
And once you love something, you do with a love
that what you do in a love you could go better.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
It's very simple how that works, you know, So try
to find the love for it. I think if you're
fighting without love for fighting, you just want to fight
because it's cool. I think you missed the whole boat.
It should be enjoyable. I would look forward to working
out every single time because there was the thing that
I loved the most, and then you simply want to
do it or love. So that's it. But set a
(47:54):
goal and setting a goal, it's like the word discipline.
There is this cool light and I didn't come up
with it, but I saw that life and they go, dude,
that's the best line ever. So discipline is the highest
form of self love you can have. It's saying no
to something that you really want right now in order
to get something better later on. So if you're a
fighter and he said I want to become a world champion,
(48:15):
there's going to be a party Friday night. Can do it?
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Oh it's skill one. Can't do it.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Or you want to go eat on us, We're gonna
eat whatever, fries, fried stuff, whatever it is. Can't do it,
you know, and sometimes you miss it, but you know,
say no, say no, say no, say no for something
greater later on.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
So discipline reveals the commitment that you make to yourself.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
And that means that the future use depending on the
encourage you that you better do that you what you
said you'll go to do. And it all sounds really easy,
but it goes back to the very first thing that
we talked about on this podcast. It's discipline. You know,
it's simple discipline. And if you have life five vices,
kill the first one, kill one. Start with that.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Don't try all fives.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Not gonna work for me. It was very easy. See,
all the craziness I did was always the drugs. Was
always when I was drunk, and if there was a
fight on one effort, was something happened, it was always
because of the alcohol.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Okay, that's alcohol.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Attack alcohol the first and then once alcohol was gone,
all the other ones just fell like freaking jag out
boom boom boom, everything like a car house because I
just took the biggest one away right away. We're all
stupid when we drink, you know, and try to find
out if it's you with food, start doing I would
chook carnivor you know, you can still eat a bunch,
(49:31):
you know, And once you start seeing the changes, then
you get sparked to, oh maybe I should also and
then you start really watching everything. But just start with
the cardifore diet. I will tell people, but by good meat,
of course, though by very cheap mean I don't know
if that will be good. But if you have dress
fat meat and good chicken and good fish and all
(49:51):
that stuff, you can eat as much once you won't
get you'll lose. Right, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
That's awesome, mister boss Routin. Uh, you are a legend man.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Where where can people follow your videos and follow you online?
Speaker 4 (50:03):
And what do you have coming next?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
You know, it's I'm always tarting that people go to
the O two trader. Right, there's that little device that
I have, a transportatory breeder, a muscle trader. Uh, that
thing will change your life if you if you are
literally serious about endurance, go my YouTube channel. And I said,
there's a video that says if you're serious about endurings,
it's twenty one minutes. But if you are serious about endurance,
(50:28):
those twenty one minutes is going to be the most
important bents you ever read. Because once I tell you
that your lungs can do anything by themselves, and how
breeding works and how they open up and what they do.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
And what people are using. The best conditioning goes.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Always look first at your breeding because, believe it or not,
ninety ninety five percent of you it's getting better. It's
ninety five percent are breeding wrong. You all chest breeders
always in their shoulders. It's completely wrong. You can pull
up five times more oxygen into your body by simply
breeding correct, and this thing will actually train those muscles,
so you've got to be able to do it even faster.
(51:02):
There's over twenty fifteen published medical journals about it. Just
go do a published medical journal website. It's spirit or
muscle training. See if I'm right or wrong because I
was a gimme every only binion do as athlete is
doing it. It's dramatic change. Like I had an ablation
for nine months, not an ablation. I had an aphif
(51:22):
for nine months, which I think liked it. That then
finally figured out what it was because I couldn't walk
stairs anymore. It was very crazy.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
They reset my heart, did a word that they finally
did an ablation of.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
My heart is where they got down and burned down
the nerves that caused that crazy pattern.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
And then uh, seven weeks later I think I was
able to start training again.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Now, during those nine months, the last three months of
those the only thing I could do was literally distinct,
which is only five minutes five minutes a day, less
than five minutes, but I do it for five minutes,
and I was struggling with that freaking thing. And then
like seven eight weeks after my ablation, the doctor said
I could work out again.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
I'm walking in here and I tell my wife this
is the same.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
I'm just flew through my workout.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
I stopped at eight ronalds because I could have done fifteen.
I know I could, but I don't like after nine months, maybe.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
I shouldn't do that. Don't push it too hard.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
But I'm telling you it's because the breeding is completely
on the control.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
It's such a gigantic difference, really focused on it. So
that's actually the focus where we are now. I like
public speaking a lot, especially for like colleges and stuff
like that, where you know, talks that were literally talked
about today. So kids start seeing that getting likes and
getting all that stuff is not going to give you
anything in life, you know, in twenty years from being
(52:42):
the same guy. You know, it's like people doing the
same stuff and don't chan it's like doing I do
every day tempush ups, yeah, temple shops. So that means
in three years you can do tempush ups. Now if
you change that, if you every day do two sets
or three sets maximum amount of push ups.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
Week, she can do one hundred and twenty push ups.
That's how it goes.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
You got to push it. You got to push it. Also,
you might you got to push it. It's not fun
because you don't want to. We see in the front
of the TV. I mean, you know, and I'm I'm
thinking of that as well. I'm a perpetrat actually that
as well sometimes because if it's overload, I'm sitting down.
But the good thing will be just to keep sticking
onto it. And those videos. Yeah, I put videos out
(53:23):
like that on my Instagram. I should start restarting these
video is how I tackle my problems. I'd like to
tell the people how I did that, because if it
takeles my crazy mind, I'm pretty sure it can help
a lot of people with it who are going to
the same stuff.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
And that's my goal. I know, you know, that's why
I'm social media.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I don't use it a lot, but it's only for
those informative things, so to say. But you will not
see me making a picture of myself thinking about the future.
What am I going to do?
Speaker 3 (53:50):
It makes no sense to me to make those kinds
of pictures. I don't need to likes anymore. You know,
once you can step away from that, that's a big freedom.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
But that's awesome. Well, sir, thank you so much. It's
been a real honor and a privilege. God bless you
and everything that you're doing. And thank you for what
you've done for the rest of us with your wisdom
and your focus.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Now I really appreciate my fact and thank you for
your service because I love you guys. I love the military,
and I love working with you guys.
Speaker 4 (54:20):
Amen. God bless you, sir, God bless Boom.
In the real world, violence is something that you have
to master. Today, I have one of the people that
has mastered violence both in and outside of the ring
at the highest possible level, mister Boss Rutin, today on
the David Rutherford Show. Boss, it's a wonderful privilege and
(00:28):
a pleasure to welcome you on the Dave Rutherford Show. Sir,
you are a living legend and just so honored that
you would come on with me today.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah. Yeah, Although you know that thing that mastered the
the virus outside, you know, maybe a streets fighting, But
once I started meeting you know, I start training the
Seal teams, you know, I always thought I was a
tough guy that I meet these guys that I go
maybe not so tough. So no, no, that goes through
those guys, trust me.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I let's just start with that then, because you know,
one of the coolest things that I remember for being
in the teams is we had all this great exposure
to these incredible fighters from that era from I went
in in the mid nineties, late nineties, you know, from
Tony Blauer, we had Ken Shamrock that would work with us.
(01:18):
We had all kinds of just incredible pride fighters and
MMA fighters that would come and work with us. How
long have you been working with military units and what
different types of training regiments would you put them through?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Let me see, I think I started a round two
thousand and four or five. I think maybe no, I no, no,
after my fight, So two thousand and six, that's when
I started working with the teams.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And I did that for quite some time, like we.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Did eight years. I would go, wee there or they
will we come to me, and then you know, if
we did it once or twice year, it was that's
really cool. From there, you know, you learn other teams
are jumping on that team as well, so that we
got seven. Now I'm working with the C four Foundation
that helps Yeah, so I'm really I'm teaching there still
and then we got teams also coming in. But they
(02:14):
also to help teams of military guys seals who had
PTSD because you know, you guys see the most crazy
things there are, of course, and they help their families
men together.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's that's why the C four Foundation does.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And I'm really enjoying it. You know, I go to
the yearly charity events do some things there. We sell
private classes from me and two people, and unbelievably people
are paying for it. They're good money because it's just
of course it's the donation and then to have something
in between for it, that's always nice for the people.
(02:52):
So yeah, I really enjoy with the working these guys.
But the guy from my from my childhood of everything
is it's me as habits, you know, I enjoy when
people are on time. I went, they're true to their world,
all these things, you know, and that's when I found
when I found the Seals.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, the Marines and all these guys. Of course I
trade them all.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Uh, that's when you figure out, Okay, that's exactly what
I want, you know, what they say they do and
when they say that they are seven o'clock to go
to be their quarter of the seven.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And that's me.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I enjoy that when people do that.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Well, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You know, there's there's a few types of I guess,
you know, because fighting is a lifestyle.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Being a seal is a lifestyle, and there's.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
There are these commonalities across that warrior class. And you know,
I think one as we look at, you know, some
of the challenges facing our young men today, I think
one of those that aspect of having a regimented and
discipline life is is is something that has escaped them
(03:56):
either from being two connected via the internet or their phone,
but it's really something that helps pretty much develop all
aspects of your personality. Can you just talk about that
a little bit and the impact that that type of
discipline and why combatives is such a positive aspect of
(04:16):
shaping young men in particular to become you know, better adults.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You know, it's just very simple. It's living by the
natural rules, right. I mean, somebody sent me a picture.
Yes they met my son in law actually, and it
wasn't two times. They could look it up right now,
but it's somewhere. Then you get, okay, I'm gonna show
because it's crazy. This was there was a guy who
was four hundred pounds and in eighteen ninety they people
(04:48):
paid to see a person like that being four hundre
positive because it was unheard of. Nobody was like that,
a four hundred pound guy. It was the circus. People
would go there and pay for it because it was
something you didn't see, you see, And that's slowly but surely,
as we're coming too soft, you know, the whole world
becomes too soft. But if you just live by the
(05:09):
rule states, everybody wants to be happy, and we all
buy our happiness. You know, we think happiness, pleasure is happiness,
but it's not. You know, we just buy the new car,
but that does dope of meat effect goes away again,
and then you need the newest one because the better one.
Why why would we need all that stuff? And I
was a victim to that as well, you know, until
I started seeing these things that go and it's so sad.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
We complain about everything.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
We have the best, Like one hundred years ago, we
didn't have for warm showers. That's like in nineteen twenty
one or something. This is where it came out. I mean,
think about that. And now it's you know, I do
the Exodus ninety. It starts on January fifth. It's a
Catholic program. Or three months. You can only take cold showers.
You have two fasting days. You know, you can't watch TV,
(05:51):
you can't go on the internet, you can't do anything
only for your job.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You can do it for the rest you can. So
now we have to start reading books.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But once I tell people that and I say, oh,
by the way, you can only take cold showers. Seventy
percent hookshow, We're not doing it anymore, And I go,
how can you?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
How can you even say that in front of me?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You're not ashamed that you can say that you cannot
take a cold shower.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
And I think that is what is wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And if we keep feeding on pleasures and we're just
buying out pressures, then pleasures don't mean anything anymore. You know.
But once you have to work for something, and you
get some discipline and you work hard for whatever it is.
I like my grandson to say, my son in law
is here and I'm cleaning up the front yard, and
he says, let me do it. I said, no, I
actually enjoy this because after I'm done, I feel good
(06:37):
about what I just did. Other people said I'm gonna
do tomorrow. I'm going to do tomorrow. You see. I
think we need to change that. I think a person
a real managing control of his mind and of his body.
I want your dad, that's that's a real man. The
guy who can say no after two drinks to a
third drink. That man can say no to all the
freaking vices out there. And there's a lot of them
who can after an hour say, hey, you know today,
(06:57):
I'm going to spend one hour on online and that
you put it lot to it. It's I have two
times thirty minutes or whatever it is. But you know,
I just said it to my wife this morning. The
average seventeen year old spends ninety one percent of his
free time online right now. So all your goals, everything
that you want to try to fulfill life is gone.
(07:18):
There's no time for it anymore because you don't have time. No,
you spend eight hours a day on that freaking thing.
So it needs a big change. I think we see
it already. A lot of kids are starting to see
it because they want to be like a tough guy.
And it's not even a tough guy. A real man
is just the guy who has that owner control. That's
a real man, a tough guy. If you break that down.
The definious guy wants to fire the words. But that's
(07:39):
what the dictionary said. That's not a tough guy at all.
He's not in control of any of usations, right, you know,
and all the vices. Once you're not in control, you're
not a tough man. Your slave to all these vices
out there. You know. At once that clicks with me,
which was when I got back to the church, and
it was in twenty fourteen. It was a hit in
my face. Man, it was like, whoa jeez, I've been
(07:59):
really like that, you know. Okay, now that's just never
to any to change. Right, Let's see if I can
completely control everything in my life, every aspect. And it's hard,
but that takes a lot of work, and some of
these things take a lot of time, but.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
You got to stay on it. It's like a habit.
You'd have to create a new habit.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And once a habit is there, you got to be
very vigilant because as easier of no, it's not easy
to get acquire it, but it's really easy to lose
it again if you just don't do it a few times,
you see. So yeah, thankfully, my mindset has always been
like on time. Like I said before, true to my
words or whatever I tell myself I really want to do.
(08:37):
You're the first person in the world. I always say
that you shouldn't lie to the most important one because
once you start lying to yourself, that's when addiction. That's
where everything starts. So once you say, okay, tomorrow morning,
going to trade at eight o'clock, work out tomorrow at
eight o'clock. Because if you don't, you already become weaker.
It's easier to say no the next time, you know,
and that becomes a thing, and suddenly it's like it
(08:58):
doesn't mean anything anymore because you're already have fifty times
yes he didn't do it. Now you become weak. And
that's the same with drugs, with alcohol, and sex, with
the food, with all every vice out there, control the vices,
control the sensus. You know, once you can do that,
you become such a better person. I'm reading Marcus Aurelius,
you know the book, you know, and he was not
(09:18):
a big question. Fun actually persecuted him. But if you
look at this, are all the Catholic principles that are
Catholic stuff are but praying all day long. No Catholic
is simply having yourself on the control. If you look
at the knights, tamplers and on all these these guys,
those were real men, and they came home and they
put the wife on the pedestal. They were the best husbands,
(09:39):
the best fathers, no vices, no nothing.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yes, are the bad ones.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Everyone has bad ones, of course, but we in society
we focus on those No, no, no, let's focus on
the ninety seven percent of the other ones who do
really good things. What about that? You know, but that's
not the world because it's easier to point at the
bad people so that you don't have to do it
as well. Oh, it's all comfort, That's what it all is.
(10:04):
That it shouldn't be comfort.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Well, it's interesting, you know as I as I again
revisited your history and you you know, from overcoming your
sickness as a kid, right from being kind of shut
down by your parents, from fighting and then you finding
it and getting in and then you know, even while
during your professional career, constantly adapting to the different styles
(10:28):
that you were facing and learning and getting better. And
then you know, my favorite one was you know, I
watched your YouTube video and finding your faith and you know,
again realizing there was some a missing piece of your armor,
if you will, that armor of God, and then adapting
and getting into it. You know, how, how are the
(10:49):
what are the ways that people can become aware there's
a gap in their life and that they should change,
and what and what are they looking for to guide
them towards a change, a more positive change, to give
them strength or control, as you call that discipline of
your emotional state.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
They should realize that they're a slave to whatever advice
they're doing. If it's food, it's food. If you look
in the mirror you have a grocery overweight, you're fat.
That's what you should call it. Also, don't call it overweight,
call it fat. Look at the David doggets right, he said,
at the moment I said the word fat, that's what's
when I started changing. Call it what it is. You know,
(11:32):
we all try to pet these things down. Oh no,
and you can be any person you want to, but
you can't. You can't.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I want to be a jet fighter pilot, but my
ad agency is not going to work.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I'm going to cry to figure. You see, there's always
these things that you can't do. I would say, be
honest to yourself, find something that you love and then
you know, just imagine what you've been doing right now
it didn't work for your entire life. Well, you're going
to have to change because the definition I will always say,
it's sand indeed, right, that's what it is. Doing the
same thing over again, expect a different outcomes. It's not working,
(12:02):
So you're gonna have to change and change is hard
for a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But you if you as a new Year's resolution coming up.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
If by the way, ninety ninety two percent doesn't fulfill
their New Year's resolutions.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
But if you just for six weeks go to a gym,
you watch your food and go for six weeks to
a gym, you just force yourself to do it, You're
going to be blown away with what you can do
in six weeks with watching your food and working out.
We have these contests in our gym.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I used to because I assault the gym now, but
as you won't change people completely in six weeks and
then it's just six weeks. But once you're in there
and you see the change and you start feeling better
because of the mind. To buddy, it needs to work together.
If you have an unhealthy body, the mind doesn't work.
If I go to do a show and have to
memorize a big opening, you know I always work out
(12:51):
in the morning. Why because that memorization goes in half
the time if I work out, and if I don't
work out, I'm going to have that I'm struggling much more.
You just need to completely in sync as what we
were designed for and Once you start doing that, that's
six weeks in two months in But that's too long
for people. We have to short atention span, right, that's
why they do this is all on design, you know.
(13:13):
But if you if you really do it, then you
see the fruits of it. And once you start seeing
the fruits of it, you're gonna go, whoa, that's only
six weeks. I can do this longer. And that's when
people start to change. And yes, you fall back like
I was two days ago. I drank a few drinks
here and you know, we get a big party, thirty
people there. It happens. So being boom next day, rest
(13:33):
and working out again. Oh but I don't feel like
working out. It's a little bit of a hangover workout.
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
If you put some time apart for a workout.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Use that work use that time even when you're sick,
go very light, but still use that time. So you
don't break that habit and you do something, you know,
and it's it that everybody can do it, and it's
amazing that people who are doing it, they go, I
wait that everybody would see this, you know, because it
is so good and really like that you don't get
sick anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Just this morning, I talked to my life. My wife
said to me, it's just, you know, we don't get sick.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Anymore, you know it.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
It's just watching food and just working out.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's it. It's it's really not science. It's just doing
what we have designed to do and that overeating. It
all comes from something. It's hard, but.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You're going to have to make that step and you're
going to have to make the change.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
All right, let's get into some more of the deeper
h psychological aspects that impede those changes. And I and
I I believe and this is based on you know,
not you know, my career and the teams, but at
the CIA going down range, is that the one you know,
constant state or emotion was always fear regardless, you know,
(14:47):
there was always fear there in some capacity. And I
think as I, you know, spent a bunch of years
trying to research fear and where it comes from and
how it kind of manipulates our perceptions, you know. I
I was able to go back and look at the
ways that I persevered in the midst when the fear
was greatest. And then also you know, talking to some
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of my friends who have you know, four hundred five
hundred combat missions, you know, and going hey man, you
know on your you know, four hundred and fiftieth combat mission,
were you afraid?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And then like being ru are you an idiot? Yeah,
of course I was afraid.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I just had all these other things I had done
so I was able to execute on whatever the mission
in front. So could you just give your thoughts on
what fear is and then how as what do we
have that we can not necessarily control fear but manage
it and understand it and then use it as a driver.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well, it's you kind of said it already. It's just
preparation for whatever you're going to do, you know. And
if you go if you go to a fights, for instance,
and you and you know you cannot go to distance,
there's always this fear because you know that if this
guy turns it open, you'll get you're going to lose
the fight. So make sure that you're always in shame.
And that's the same with you guys. And that's what
I always say. Oh MMA, it's so dangerous, Say no, no,
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it is a referee. You guys get killed. You know,
you don't know how you react the first time. Nobody knows.
You know. It's like like if you're a good fighter
in the gym and you get spar and you're working
your circles around, even the world chaps doesn't mean anything
if you can perform it under pressure. Some people fault.
A lot of them fault, and a lot of them
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and a bunch of them don't. And the ones who
starts controlling it like they can do it in the gym,
which took like nine fights for me, took a long
time until I was finally relaxed, you know, But it's
just doing it. The problem with military is that you
know you do it, that you're making a mistake.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
They might get shut in the head.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
You see, we make a mistake, we get armbard, we
tap on the fighters over so what nothing really happens.
So so the cause of effect is always very big,
and it depends on whatever it is. I was in
the beginning, I was more nervous to do in interviews
that I was for fighting. And then you know, but
then you do, you do ten interviews, it becomes normal.
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Everything becomes normal. Everything is almost like advice. You know,
if you really think about it, you know, because you know,
you sensitize it. I always say the people Tom guy
who becomes a rapist, well it starts with looking and
that a certain moment doesn't do anything for me, and
he has to up the game in order to say
get that same feeling back. And slowly, but you starts
increasing and now become violence. Now becomes fluly something bad,
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you see, but you they get used to it.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
How can you cut somebody up in four pieces?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well, I'm pretty sure the first time he did, maybe
they were throwing up, you know, but you know you
do five times.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
It's like an animal.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's how they You see the most insane things that
we think, how is that even possible? It never started
like that, you know. And like I said, with the military,
they put you under crazy situations, but you know, there's
no real bullets at that moment when when you're practicing,
you know, and then that's fear in your head, like, hey,
one mistake, it's just one mistake, and there's the fifty
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people out there shooting on you. Only one needs to connect,
you know. And now see if you still do everything
that you were taught to do, that is controlling.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So but the only way to get there is just
to overwork it. That's why with me, I overdo things.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I really like to be completely prepared before I go
in because that takes a lot of nerves away.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, and I love the way you always describe that
when you know when you're doing your fight commentary in
terms of training to do you know an ankle lock,
or you're adapted to you know, a better ground game,
or you know your strikes adapted to the particular fighter,
And it really becomes specific and how you address So
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what are what's your best advice to set up like
training routines or a training regiment that's relative to a
specific outcome.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh, it's you know what I now we're talking game
planning also, I guess that right, yeah, yeah, So I
would like look at an opponent and if I saw
but most of the time minutes to the ponent on
my on my organization, like in bankers already know what
he always does.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
There's certain things that they always do.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
They moved back. It was made maybe ninety percent of
the time they go to the right for me, right,
you know, like little things like that he crosses his
feet when he walks left to the side. Okay, use
that against him and picked these things out that he
and then I start looking back at the other fights
and oh yeah, he did hit the okay, so that
is something that's ingrained him. Let's work on that. Let's
make that my my ace in my pocket. So to say,
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the last car. If by the last fight he want
me to spinning hooky to the head, that doesn't mean anything.
If he never did that before, he could have just
thrown a wild cart and I was a hit. If
you got to completely focus on that, I wouldn't do it.
But on the regular stuff and then just drill. I mean,
if I tell people I did combinations ten thousands of times,
I really mean it. I'm a crazy animal man. I
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get three combinations and then I just pull them in
there and then over and over again and starts really slow.
Everything needs to be good because if you go fast
and it's bad, and film yourself.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
That's what I used to do when I was fighting
as well in training.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I would just feel myself if I'm hitting a bag,
you know, to see if I do rotate my open
Boddy would have a single punch I throw. Because I'm
preaching it now, I better do it, you see, and
then you look on the video at the video, and
you always see it. Yes you're doing it, but you're
never doing it as you thought you were doing it.
You can do it better.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
There's always room for provement. It's never perfect.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And I think if you have that mindset, that's it
and then go in with a boatload of stamina. Yeah,
that's how I will prepare for a cert to fight.
But then again there's the wild guard, right. You never
know what happens.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
So that's why I always say I use the things that.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
They always do. I don't look at the last few
fights because that's something. If you hit a really hot
in the face like by DYSA said, right, I hope
the implant might be gone again because the game plan
until they get hit, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
So that's true, it's really true. Oh it's not working.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It's not working, you know, and then they fall back
into their own patron Some guys stay with it, like
a Georgia Pierre for instance. That's the guy who you
can tell every time when he starts fighting. I said, oh,
we worked on his bankic and he did the front
kick and he's reading with the jab. Those are the
three aspects he was working on. I can tell right
away and whatever happens, even if they hit him and
connecting a few times, he sticks with that game plan.
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And for that you need to be very under control.
And that comes from a guy and who says it himself, right,
So that's why I'm asking it. It comes from him.
Like I saw him fight. His fourth fighter was on
the show that my student Dwaine Ludwig knocked out. Jan's
ball Room was the UFC champion at the time. Left
the uc came to another organization and between knocked him out. GEORGEA.
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Pierre was fighting on the same card and I after
his fight, I went to him and I said, and
I said to him, I saw me backstage and I said, hey,
what's you name? Again? He goes George. I said, come
over here please, and I'm talking to hey, mister, how
you doing? I said, dude, you're going to be the
next world champion, right, And he goes, are you're thinking that?
You know? I know that. I mean the way you
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control the distance everything, you know you're going to be
the next champion.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
So oh, thank you, thank you so much. And then
he says, get ask you something. I go show.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
He says, how is it that, you know, the phrase
for your fight before the fives. I said, who told
you that? And he goes, well, you look very calm.
I say, everybody's afraid that, you know. It's just how
you deal with it, you know. And George is super
afraid in the dressing room. That's what he tells and interviews,
you know, and then people going, oh, he's a sissy,
and sissy if you're that afraid but you're still fight
(22:46):
just remember, you know, without fear, there's no courage, right
So for a person like that, he has way more
courage than a person like me who found out that
at the moment. I know that at the moment of
the references fight, I'm in my own bubble, I always
call it. And if I will be nervous the day
before or the day of the fight, you know, I'm
just thinking, Oh, I'm just literally focusing on that moment,
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and I know what it's gonna be okay, you know,
because it's gonna be gone, it's going to be stopped.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And people need to find a moment like that.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Most of the time it's that exact moment because Noe
suddenly now there's the focus, you know, and that one
person in front of you and then if you can
fight like you do with the nojo, Yeah, that's the trick.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I also got to work with Andrey Arvlovsky the pitbull
for three fights as well too, And I remember before
the second fight, it was out in Big Vegas event,
and you know, I'm looking at him and I'm like,
I'm like, and this is his eighteenth year at fighting,
and I'm just I'm like, Andre, you know, what are
you feeling right now?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Or you know, and he.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Goes, you know, in typical Andre fashion, He's like, what
the fuck do you think I'm feeling? I'm not ready
to go get in a fight, you know. And I'm like, oh, okay,
that that was a profound statement for me, because it's like, oh,
you know, it would be a mistake if he didn't
have a little bit of that going on. And so
and so the question I have for you is what
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are the most common mistakes people make as they're about
ready to engage in violence.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
That's exactly what you said, you know, And I tell
us everybody, if you.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Do, if the fear is gone, there's no repercussions.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's why you start making mistakes, you know, you need
a little bit of fear. Oh man, What did I
want to say about that? Fear is really good to
keep you on your toes, to to to keep your sharp.
Oh man, as soon as you mentioned that, there was
something going through my head that I wanted to say, Oh, okay,
so for but I this is what I always tell
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people who are very nervous before a fight. I have
some fighters. I had some fighters in the past who
for both completely underperformed with what they can They're possible. Well,
those fighters are most of the time guys who want
to fight because it's cool. They tell the whole freaking world, right,
I'm going to fight, have a I have a cage fight,
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just a mixed martial arts match.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Don't say the word cage. You don't need to say that.
It's all attention seeky stuff for that, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And by the way, once they lose three in a
row because of that, I will not allow them to
talk about fighting anymore. You cannot have wear a T
shirt that had something with MMA on it or fighting
on it. You cannot if we go to twenty for
our fitness that we're training it. Later on we're in
the jacuzzi. You can talk about fighting. As soon as
another person steps in who doesn't know anything about fighting,
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you stop talking about fighting. You don't say, oh, I
we had this one kid. He goes to subway station.
He says, I said, what do you like, Sir? I said, well,
I'll take you a chicken sentwich because I have a
cage fight coming up this lucky look, I go, why
would you say that? You pull all the and then
you start telling all these people are it's going to
(25:54):
be easy, it's going to be easy. I'm gonna rip
hiss head off, I'm going to do this, I'm going
to do that, and before the show, I'm going to
do this, and now booms, this is the show. And
now you don't have to come up. Oh yeah, I'm
gonna kill him. Here's nothing he said, nobody. Oh say,
so now you're facing nobody. You better win against nobody.
Is you put the pressure on yourself. Stop talking always
stop highly of him. And then just before the fight,
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they see themselves on the big screen saying all these things. Yeah,
now you better do it. You see. So with those people,
what I do. I take him out of state. I
won't allow him to talk about anything any of the fight.
You're not telling anybody you're going to fight. We are
going to a different state. There's nobody there that knows you.
You fight.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
When you win, you can come back and you say, hey, I.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Just want to fight. If you lost, you don't even
have to say anything. That by itself will take a
lot of pressure of it. And there's another story that
I do also with fighters that seems to work really well.
I always say, like a week before the fight, if
my fighter would be nervous, you know, he says, oh
my god, this fight's going to be hard. I go, Okay,
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imagine this. Imagine your opponent walks in right now and
you go into that room. That room doesn't have any windows,
nobody can see you long the door, nobody can come in,
and you guys fight and then winning or losing, you're
not allowed to say who won, who were lost? What
you care if you would lose, and they, every one
of them, they gonna know and they go. So that
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means that you're not fighting for yourself. That means you're
fighting for other people. And if you fight for other people,
for I need to win because I need to double
the pay I need to for my family. You're putting
too much pressure on yourself keeping a game. It's a
fun game. You know that he can have a better day,
so what you can have a better day, then you win.
But once they see that, once you take all the
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social media and the people who know it better, who
never stepped in a freaking dojo, but they know it
better than you, you know, once you take it all
out of the equation and you're just with the two
of you, it's like shooting hoops. I tell people I
don't really care if I win or lose, and it's
the same inspiring. Yeah, I might be my ego might
be a little bit hurt if he hits me more
than I hit him, But I go to what's part
of the game. You know, it's part of the game.
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So if you treated like that, you have the least
amount of fear. That means don't care about what everybody says.
You can't control what other people think. They'll think it anyway,
so let it go.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I love that. I love that. Let's pivot a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So you know, as I watched you know, the video
about you and your faith and moving from a place
where you thought you know all of the mythology behind
religion was just that and it didn't have that profound impact.
And what it's done for you as you acknowledge your
true faith in Christ and through your through being a
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good Catholic, how how has that helped you fight all
of the other things in your life? Like what has
your your your faith in your religion gave given you
in terms of strength and confronting the world as a
father now, as a grandfather, as a person that's a teacher,
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in all the different ways that you touch people, how
does faith.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Guide you in those in those lessons? Now you know
it's it's.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
All the lessons we know, but we never do it.
You know. It's that three day neighbors ourself. We all
know this line, but nobody does it. But I mentioned
everybody would do. I mean, these are two greats commenced. Well,
love God, do everything you got, all you might, all
your power, all your strike to all that. And then
number two street ten neighbors ourself. Just imagine if you're
an atheists, forget about number one. Just do talking about
two three people like you treat yourself. That's it, you know,
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And once you I just started realizing that I needed
the newest borshe and I need to oh this is
a cool watch. Oh it's eighteen thousand dollars ago, Well
it's kind of cool. Why, well, you know, you you
start doing these stupid things and every time you're trying
to feel something, and they always talk about that hole
that you can't fill. Well, that's it. You're trying to
fill with pleasure. What pleasure you can buy. By the way,
(29:56):
your car doesn't make you smarter. A tank doesn't make
you smarter. It's nothing that makes you smart. You can
have a billion dollars, you can still be an idiot
or a bad person or any It could completely douche
you know. So once you start realizing that nothing really
makes you who you think you are, that you don't need.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
The three hundred dollars sneakers to be cool.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
And guess what, the people who think you are cool
with those those are not your real friends. They're idiots
who thinks you're cool because you have a car. It's
a very simple rule. If this one i'm a good
about to buy or do or say or any action
is going to make me mentally smarter, mentally stronger. And
for a question, you should be very simple. Is it
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going to bring me closer to god, you know, but
if like get if you're atheist, is going to make
me smarter? What is going to make me mentally stronger?
And if it doesn't do that any of those two things,
why would you do it? Why would you be an
hour or two hours, three hours on a four Why
would you play a video game that is atlas? Why
would you waste all that time while we're on earth
to learn an art, you know, to do something. So
(30:58):
once I realized that because I was filling it, I
was feeling good with drugs, I was feeling a good alcohol,
I was filling it with anger with you know, I
was constantly trying to fill those holes. And you look
online with anger, right, people are so angry and they
get a dop of mean rush from it. It is
it's proven now, you know, in order now in order
to get that same anger, you gotta be more angry,
because just like any vice, you need more of it
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in order to get the same effect, and then it
starts getting out of control. But once you realize that,
you can simply stop that and you don't have that
anger anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You don't need that food anymore, you don't need the.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Alcohol and the drunks and all that, you know, you
start realizing, Wow, why did I do this when I
was twenty? Why I have been such an idiot? I mean,
I'm figuring it out and I'm sixty. I'm my god,
what a dumb ursus. And that's why you will never
see me judge others when they're drunk and crazy and go,
I'm the last person to judge this, you know. But
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at least I figured it out, and I still have
guys now, and I'm not having to get everything on
the control. It's not like I'm sitting here and say
I'm completely free of every single vice. No, no, no,
It's a daily freaking work. You know. You have to
work for it. But that's what makes it so interesting,
you know, if you really want to have a dream
during your day and then saying no, and then later
on before you go to sleep and go, oh my god,
(32:13):
I'm so happy I didn't do it, because that one
can be to do and then you know, so then
you're proud of yourself that you didn't do it. Keep
that moment in there so because the next attack is
going to come again. There's always these things, but it's
it's just hard. But once you do it that whole
that you're searching for. It gets filled and it's not material,
it's nothing that you can buy. It's just being true
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to yourself. That's it.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Amen, Amen, all right?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
The one thing that I get presented a lot and
they're like, you know, hey, Rod, you know, how how
can you be a Christian and then also maintain that
warrior ethos? Like how can you have be a violent
man and be a Christian in the same in the
same breath.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
How would you answer that?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Boss? Well, for you, it's easy. You're protecting the sheep, right,
You guys are the sheep dogs and you're protecting the
sheep from the wolf.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
So boom, that's easy because it's a job.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And you need to be there.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
For fighting.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's different because we just but it's only because people
don't understand it. People don't understand that for me, fighting
somebody is the same as again, shooting hooks with him.
It's a game. We're trying to figure out who's the best. Now,
are there bad guys? Where I said in the opening
of this show, you always have these guys who feel
the need to break the arm. But if I got
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somebody in an armbar, you know I don't want to
break his arm. I'm going to give him a chance
to tap and then the fighter is over. I'm not
gonna hurt him. And all the talking that you see
against each other, well, first of all, I never did that,
and second of all, it's most of the time it's
fake anyway, because these guys are the camaraderie among fighters
you have. People have no idea. I mean, I'd always
say this. I can't go pretty much to any country
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in the world, and the only thing I have to
pick up is stell for say, hey, can I spend
a night with you whoever it is, because he can
do it to me as well. You know, that's the
camaraderie that you get over these years because we all
go through the same stuff, the same work outs, the
same injes, the same working around, the injuries and the
trouble and the marriage and this, and then it's all
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the same. And once the camaraderie is born, there's no violence.
We don't hate each other at all. Maybe before the fight,
I don't like to see my opponent, you know, I said, hey,
what's up? You know, but I'm not gonna sit down
with him have a drink, you know. We'll do that
after the fight. And that's literally what I did, Like
Yoshi Koshaka, the guy afforded to U see my first fight,
and literally.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Because I know him. I know the guy, he's a
good guy.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
And I went to his dressing room like an hour
before I go, hey, hek I'm gonna try to knock
you out, buddy. I hope you do the same thing
with me. We'll drink a beer after it sounds good.
He goes, yeah, it with shoehads and then we go
in you know. So, yeah, that's that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Yeah, I love that. All right, let's just let's talk
about in terms of the current fight.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
We just had another ridiculous Logan Paul fight that brought
in like ninety million for each fighter. We've got, you know,
UFC events pretty much every weekend all over the world.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
We've got now.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
UFC BJJ, We've you know, there's all these different fight
uh entertainment groups all over the world. Where do you
think the future of fighting is going? And and if
you were a young if you are advising a young
person who's interested to learning how to fight, where would
you direct them?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Well? Yeah, first of all, you're going to start, right,
That's the first thing the young fighter always say, trying
to understand what you're what they teach you.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
And uh and ond percent says, oh, no, I do,
but you don't.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
They don't you know if I if I see guys
on the main guards that you see make you submission
mistakes that you should learn as a.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
White belt, and you don't. You know what you look like,
but you don't understand the mechanics.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
That's the thing with me when I started, because I
taught myself and I said, oh wait a minute, you
do this to me.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'm out, Okay, how can I stop that?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Because there's going to be other guys like me, right,
I mean, I cannot be so stupid to think that
I'm the only one. That the guys are way.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Better than I mean, so how do I stop it?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And I start experimenting, And once you understand the body
mechanics of why it hurts and why this twist makes
a little bit more and more pain than this, and
then you know, then then it's easier to understand like combinations.
If I go to a to a teacher seminar, you
know there will never be that I'm going to say, Okay,
give him a three shot of a liver shot that
will never happen. It's like that, I guess you get
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it on the back. With me, everything has a meaning.
With me, everything is like we fake him out like this,
and I do a certain thing, and we fake him out,
and we've spread it out over one round. Every time
when you do something, you over commit to a certain movement,
like you cross to the chapter the body, which is
a stupid punch. It's not even going to hurt him
because you're standing in a way of thing. But once
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I constantly could lower myself with that punch, with that punch,
he starts in his mind identifying me lowering myself with
that punch. And once I do this, and I see
I'm already reacting. Now I ripen them. That's it, that's
the setup. And now I don't even have to punch anymore.
Now I only have to do this. And as soon
as I do this, he's the punch, and then my
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real punch is going to come. You see. So if
everything has a reason, and I do this with every
single combination, I give you a pattern that three hooks
to the hat, and especially with the three hugs to
the hat.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Land oh acknowledge it nice?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Right? And then I just keep going and I certainly
pop up pop three punches again. If those land, that's it.
Next time it's going to be added a liver shot
because now he's going to be ready for those three punches. Here,
I'm calm. You can literally tell him so he knows,
oh shit, hands go up, and now he add a
liver shot. You see.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
So everything has a reason to do. And that's what
I tell people.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
If you go in all your submissions and the submissions
is antless, you can never master it. There's so many
combinations and setup that you can That was the thing
with me once I realized, wait a minute. If I
created a different setup, a setup that he never did before,
or somebody ever never did on him before, I'm.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Gonna get you.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
If he can be a black belt that does it better.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
If he doesn't know it, he's gonna get caught.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
If ras a striker and the striker finds the setup
that I'd never seen before, never experienced before, chances are
high that you've got to connect with it, you see,
So be different. Don't always listen to it. Always listen
to the coach, but then start experimenting yourself. There's always
room for improvement, there's always ways to make the move
(38:39):
fit better to your body. Also, some people just fight different,
you know. Then you have to just certain techniques and
then you start stealing, right, That's why we all do it.
That's how we speak, that's how we do anything in life.
It's just stealing. You know. You think the grace is
if had the Brazilian jiu jitsu, put the bee for
a Brazilian jiu jitsu gracy jiu jitsu, but that it
(39:00):
came from judo, and you see so and Judo got
us from somewhere and so, and then you just say, hey,
that's a cool move.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
And write it down. I used to log everything.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I used to lock my workouts. I used to log
every time that I do. I'm logging right now. I
just started pile training again. How many sets I do
and what weight you know, and I just write it
down because at every workout it needs to be at
least that same or always more. I can never go
down with it, you know. That's my mindset. And once
(39:29):
you start doing that, you're simply training your buddy. Like
we have that workout. Write the audio workout, which, by
the way, I made thirty two new ones. It's called
the Fightingmachine dot Com eight week course insane like profilers
going to go on, whoa what kind of combinations? Anyway.
One of those workouts is called to the MMA workout.
It's with sprawls. A lot of military are using it overseas.
(39:50):
They sent me videos I mean border patrol, I mean
they were stopping me in Vancouver that they have to
know it's for the test.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Actually if they don't know the workout for the test
to pass the test.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
They told me over there. So, but the sprawls are
kicking your butt because what it does it interrupts your
breathing pedal the whole time. You throw points going Papa, Papa,
defans here and they have to sprawl, get back up
and right away in the ex coombinations coverage, go back
and forth. It's very hard on the party. Well, we
do five hours of that and the minute break we
filled up with the kettlebell swings. We have pro fighters
(40:21):
coming in who can do the warm up because they
never did it before, and you go, how on earth
can you do this? I said, this is just a
warm up. We didn't even start doing. Yeah, right, it's
gonna be worse, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
But it's simple.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
You simply do it and suddenly that's that click and
then and not me, my whole class can do it.
So that should be the proof right there.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
And you can do it as well. We're nothing special,
We're just human.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
You just have to simply do it. But you see
it again, you have to do it. Work on your weaknesses.
My left hand wasn't good. I did everything three times
more with my left. My left kick wanted to be struggled.
Everything I did with my right I did three times
more with my left. Kicks, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
And yeah, of course you would go better.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Merkel Crocov knocks people out right with all these cakes
of kicks to the body and freaking. And I said,
how do you get to that level he gets after
every workout, I throw a thousand high kicks on the back.
Oh there you go. What did Bruce Willie say, I'm
not worried about the guy who knows ten thousand kicks.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I'm worried about the guy who knows one kick, but.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Did it ten thousand thousand times. Well, he does twelve thousand.
I'm a good Yeah, twelve thousand times a week. It
becomes good at it, of course, and I hear that,
but nobody doesn't because you need a discipline for that.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
And if you have extreme discipline, like a mehicle co CoV,
he simply doesn't.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
It's like when I tell myself I'm going to do
ten rounds, I will be doing ten rounds, not gonna
stop at night because I can't sleep. I'm going to
think I'm such a sissy. If I do that, I'm
gonna have to do it. And even if I do
it half speed doesn't matter. I did my ten rounds,
and that's what people should do. Most of the time.
They think, yeah, but if I don't do full power
that it doesn't count anyway. You might as well stop. No,
(42:03):
don't do that. Do to ten months that you said
do in best power. Who cares, But you did it.
Finish the time that you set aside for you to
work out, and that's simple. It takes you two months maybe,
and then it's normal.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Everybody can do it, or your whole class can do it.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Everybody, So I'm just doing it, man.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
I love it all right. Last question for you, mister Rutin.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
There's let's say a young man watches this, sees your
videos online feels that that that spirit inside them wants
to get started. What would be your guidance to get
started in not only learning discipline, but learning discipline through
some type of fighting technique.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
What would you say to that person?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, again, you know, I would say, first of all,
get the book The Alchemist by Paula Cooilo. Get that
book and we'll change your life. It's nothing about fighting
at all, but that's what we'll set you goal.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
It's a very simple book. You read it in four
or five hours, you're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
This is the book. It's about a sheep herder. Trust me,
It's sold over one hundred and twenty million copies. So
there's a reason for that, you know. So get that book,
easy read and even if you don't like to read,
it will set you on the path. And then it's
just doing it. But then it is again it's whatever
you do. Make sure it's technically perfect. Like I give
(43:23):
you an example I on my YouTube pages. If I
give an a a tutorial about food work, you know,
so that you can never cross your feet. You have
to open first, then you have to close reach your feet.
You know, I war a power come from if video
like that is the most very most important thing in
finding because and that I get maybe thirty five forty
(43:45):
thousand fuse. If I show the left with liver shot
set up combination, I get half a million fuels, and
I go, it should be the other way around. People
should really drill in because that liver shot you can't
throw if you have bad footwork, and people don't capitalize
when you have bad foods work.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
So focus on the basics. Yeah, but I already know him.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
No. I had a guy coming in profile and just
knocked out the Russian do it. They thought he was
a god knows what. But anyway, I'm walking in. He's
training with a trainer for my gym, and he says, hey, boss,
I'm happy here. Please tell me whatever you see me
make a mistake, make mistake you see me make, Please
tell me. I want to get better. Sure, So I
(44:25):
look at him and I'm.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Very fast, and I know I can't do this. This,
I think is one of my gifts.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I guess simply within one minute I can see a
lot what you do wrong and how to fix it.
So but after this twenty minutes he goes to me
and I go, it was a lot, and he goes, okay,
what is And I give you one thing? I said, Okay,
what's the one thing? I said?
Speaker 3 (44:44):
But the low gig you don't step in.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So what happens If you keep your standing foot your
toes are pointing out, you can not really hit in
an angle. You're always going to kick upwards because you
don't open jump your hips. That means you spreading out
the impact. That means she hits with the flap out
of his shin bone, which is more easy to absorb
for a kick that when you hit with the pointy
part of the shinbow.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
When you do that, you know so about technique, the
kick will be harder.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
I do the whole explanation. What are the other things? Nothing?
Fix this first? We go do the next thing. And
a week later, and I'm not saying anything anymore. Once
they don't do it, I've just stopped because you're okay,
So what is the next thing? I say, No, you
have to first fix your first thing. You've been doing
this for a week. You didn't even fix your first thing,
so why would I tell you the second thing? If
(45:28):
you don't listen to me, it's not really working, you
know so, And that's what I say, with fighting, make
it perfect. And because if you do a drill, you
do it a thousand times on the bank. When you
do it a thousand times wrong, right, practice makes perfect. No,
perfect practice makes perfect. That's what it is. Right because
if you do it a thousand times wrong, now you
have to unlearn all that stuff again. That's why I
(45:50):
was filming myself, Not because I love to see myself
on film. No, I wanted to see if I was
actually doing what I sat I told myself I was
going to do. And once you do that with every
day and that the bleathrock ups. Right. I mean jiu jitsu,
I mean, do you have the combinations? As I mentioned before,
they're atlas. But you know, you watch really good guys,
(46:10):
you start getting techniques. That technique I like, write it down,
don't type it down, write it down, put it in
a log, and start using it in your class. So
once you have ten of those things, you say, oh,
this one worked, this one, this one didn't really work,
scratch it, don't need it anymore, but use the ones
that really work. And then every month or so two months,
because you believe that those techniques are so great, I
(46:33):
will remember, you won't because you get overflown with things,
and then a month later or six weeks later, you
start reading your notes. You're getting go, oh my god,
this thing, Yeah, I should choose this more. You see,
you start re sparking the brain and just by looking
at it you know already how to do it. But
now it's back into your mind.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
You know, and those things you have to do it.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
I did twenty four to seven man after my lost
loss by submission.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
I just went to town with one guy at one sparring.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Partner, and I never lost a fight anymore, right, because
I simply I simply focused only on the submissions. Nobody
was going to strike with me. Let's go submissions and
let's go crazy. Now.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
The whole house was.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Little post its with combinations on it, setups, new setups.
My wife would get jokes, my wife would get wake
up in the middle of the night, get armart or whatever.
You know.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I would work the shoulder, oh yeah, and not just
one time.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
I was like insane, but I loved it, you know.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
And once you love something, you do with a love
that what you do in a love you could go better.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
It's very simple how that works, you know, So try
to find the love for it. I think if you're
fighting without love for fighting, you just want to fight
because it's cool. I think you missed the whole boat.
It should be enjoyable. I would look forward to working
out every single time because there was the thing that
I loved the most, and then you simply want to
do it or love. So that's it. But set a
(47:54):
goal and setting a goal, it's like the word discipline.
There is this cool light and I didn't come up
with it, but I saw that life and they go, dude,
that's the best line ever. So discipline is the highest
form of self love you can have. It's saying no
to something that you really want right now in order
to get something better later on. So if you're a
fighter and he said I want to become a world champion,
(48:15):
there's going to be a party Friday night. Can do it?
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Oh it's skill one. Can't do it.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Or you want to go eat on us, We're gonna
eat whatever, fries, fried stuff, whatever it is. Can't do it,
you know, and sometimes you miss it, but you know,
say no, say no, say no, say no for something
greater later on.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
So discipline reveals the commitment that you make to yourself.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
And that means that the future use depending on the
encourage you that you better do that you what you
said you'll go to do. And it all sounds really easy,
but it goes back to the very first thing that
we talked about on this podcast. It's discipline. You know,
it's simple discipline. And if you have life five vices,
kill the first one, kill one. Start with that.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Don't try all fives.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Not gonna work for me. It was very easy. See,
all the craziness I did was always the drugs. Was
always when I was drunk, and if there was a
fight on one effort, was something happened, it was always
because of the alcohol.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Okay, that's alcohol.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Attack alcohol the first and then once alcohol was gone,
all the other ones just fell like freaking jag out
boom boom boom, everything like a car house because I
just took the biggest one away right away. We're all
stupid when we drink, you know, and try to find
out if it's you with food, start doing I would
chook carnivor you know, you can still eat a bunch,
(49:31):
you know, And once you start seeing the changes, then
you get sparked to, oh maybe I should also and
then you start really watching everything. But just start with
the cardifore diet. I will tell people, but by good meat,
of course, though by very cheap mean I don't know
if that will be good. But if you have dress
fat meat and good chicken and good fish and all
(49:51):
that stuff, you can eat as much once you won't
get you'll lose. Right, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
That's awesome, mister boss Routin. Uh, you are a legend man.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Where where can people follow your videos and follow you online?
Speaker 4 (50:03):
And what do you have coming next?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
You know, it's I'm always tarting that people go to
the O two trader. Right, there's that little device that
I have, a transportatory breeder, a muscle trader. Uh, that
thing will change your life if you if you are
literally serious about endurance, go my YouTube channel. And I said,
there's a video that says if you're serious about endurings,
it's twenty one minutes. But if you are serious about endurance,
(50:28):
those twenty one minutes is going to be the most
important bents you ever read. Because once I tell you
that your lungs can do anything by themselves, and how
breeding works and how they open up and what they do.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
And what people are using. The best conditioning goes.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Always look first at your breeding because, believe it or not,
ninety ninety five percent of you it's getting better. It's
ninety five percent are breeding wrong. You all chest breeders
always in their shoulders. It's completely wrong. You can pull
up five times more oxygen into your body by simply
breeding correct, and this thing will actually train those muscles,
so you've got to be able to do it even faster.
(51:02):
There's over twenty fifteen published medical journals about it. Just
go do a published medical journal website. It's spirit or
muscle training. See if I'm right or wrong because I
was a gimme every only binion do as athlete is
doing it. It's dramatic change. Like I had an ablation
for nine months, not an ablation. I had an aphif
(51:22):
for nine months, which I think liked it. That then
finally figured out what it was because I couldn't walk
stairs anymore. It was very crazy.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
They reset my heart, did a word that they finally
did an ablation of.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
My heart is where they got down and burned down
the nerves that caused that crazy pattern.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
And then uh, seven weeks later I think I was
able to start training again.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Now, during those nine months, the last three months of
those the only thing I could do was literally distinct,
which is only five minutes five minutes a day, less
than five minutes, but I do it for five minutes,
and I was struggling with that freaking thing. And then
like seven eight weeks after my ablation, the doctor said
I could work out again.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
I'm walking in here and I tell my wife this
is the same.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
I'm just flew through my workout.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
I stopped at eight ronalds because I could have done fifteen.
I know I could, but I don't like after nine months, maybe.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
I shouldn't do that. Don't push it too hard.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
But I'm telling you it's because the breeding is completely
on the control.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
It's such a gigantic difference, really focused on it. So
that's actually the focus where we are now. I like
public speaking a lot, especially for like colleges and stuff
like that, where you know, talks that were literally talked
about today. So kids start seeing that getting likes and
getting all that stuff is not going to give you
anything in life, you know, in twenty years from being
(52:42):
the same guy. You know, it's like people doing the
same stuff and don't chan it's like doing I do
every day tempush ups, yeah, temple shops. So that means
in three years you can do tempush ups. Now if
you change that, if you every day do two sets
or three sets maximum amount of push ups.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
Week, she can do one hundred and twenty push ups.
That's how it goes.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
You got to push it. You got to push it. Also,
you might you got to push it. It's not fun
because you don't want to. We see in the front
of the TV. I mean, you know, and I'm I'm
thinking of that as well. I'm a perpetrat actually that
as well sometimes because if it's overload, I'm sitting down.
But the good thing will be just to keep sticking
onto it. And those videos. Yeah, I put videos out
(53:23):
like that on my Instagram. I should start restarting these
video is how I tackle my problems. I'd like to
tell the people how I did that, because if it
takeles my crazy mind, I'm pretty sure it can help
a lot of people with it who are going to
the same stuff.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
And that's my goal. I know, you know, that's why
I'm social media.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I don't use it a lot, but it's only for
those informative things, so to say. But you will not
see me making a picture of myself thinking about the future.
What am I going to do?
Speaker 3 (53:50):
It makes no sense to me to make those kinds
of pictures. I don't need to likes anymore. You know,
once you can step away from that, that's a big freedom.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
But that's awesome. Well, sir, thank you so much. It's
been a real honor and a privilege. God bless you
and everything that you're doing. And thank you for what
you've done for the rest of us with your wisdom
and your focus.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Now I really appreciate my fact and thank you for
your service because I love you guys. I love the military,
and I love working with you guys.
Speaker 4 (54:20):
Amen. God bless you, sir, God bless Boom.
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