Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jan 12 2026

When Politics and Pop Culture Collide

Clay and Buck spotlight how the incident dominated headlines and even infiltrated pop culture over the weekend, with celebrities and NBA coaches spreading misinformation. At the Golden Globes, comedian Wanda Sykes wore a pin honoring Renee Good and called the shooting “murder,” while NBA coaches Steve Kerr and Doc Rivers echoed similar claims during post-game press conferences, accusing ICE agents of committing murder and framing the enforcement of immigration law as racist. The hosts dismantle these narratives, citing video evidence showing Good obstructed ICE operations by parking her car perpendicular in the road and refusing to comply, making the shooting a lawful act of self-defense.  But did any of you hear about Harold Harper?  He was the unarmed elderly white man shot in the back by a black man while he was gardening in his front yard in Florida.  Where are the chants to say his name?  

The White Liberal Woman Problem

Democrats and activist networks are manufacturing outrage over what federal authorities confirm was a lawful use of force. They argue that progressive rhetoric and organized protests are deliberately designed to provoke violent confrontations, citing reports that left-wing groups train activists to obstruct ICE operations and create viral flashpoints. The hosts call for stricter enforcement, including arresting individuals who block immigration raids and even prosecuting those who incite dangerous behavior—such as the partner who shouted “Drive baby drive” moments before the fatal incident.  Clay and Buck play a flashback clip from last October from Chicago, ILL superintendent of police, Larry Snelling, telling city residents not to box in ICE or other law enforcement because it's considered a threat and they can respond with deadly force.

The conversation expands to a Portland shooting involving Customs and Border Protection agents, where two suspected members of Venezuela’s Tren de Aragua cartel attempted to ram law enforcement vehicles. Buck underscores the cartel’s brutality—highlighting its ties to transnational crime and terrorism—while criticizing Portland Police Chief Bob Day for prioritizing performative apologies over public safety. Clay and Buck argue that progressive leadership in cities like Portland has created lawless environments where criminal gangs thrive, eroding trust in law enforcement and endangering communities.

The WWIII People are Wrong

Clay and Buck analyze two weeks of massive protests across Iran, sparked by runaway inflation and economic collapse following the failed 12-day war against Israel. The demonstrations began with merchants refusing to sell goods as the Iranian currency became nearly worthless, and have since spread nationwide despite brutal crackdowns and thousands of reported deaths. The hosts highlight the stark contrast between the silence of American college campuses on this issue and their previous activism for Gaza, arguing that identity politics drives selective outrage—since Iranians resisting a theocracy don’t fit the left’s preferred narrative.

The discussion explores the historical and geopolitical context of Iran’s Islamic regime, which has ruled since 1979 and transformed a once-modern nation into a failed state. Clay and Buck compare Iran’s decline to Venezuela’s collapse under socialism, noting that both nations squandered vast natural resources through authoritarian mismanagement. They revisit the Obama administration’s misguided nuclear deal strategy, which prioritized appeasement over supporting Iranian freedom, and stress that the regime’s survival perpetuates terrorism and instability across the Middle East. The hosts debate potential U.S. responses, weighing the risks of direct intervention against strategic strikes on IRGC and Basij strongholds. They caution that overt American involvement could allow Tehran to frame the uprising as foreign interference, yet argue that targeted actions might accelerate regime collapse without requiring “boots on the ground.”

Iran's Berlin Wall Moment?

Listeners with Iranian roots join the conversation, offering passionate firsthand perspectives. Callers describe life before the revolution—when Iran embraced Western freedoms—and advocate for a return to democratic governance, possibly under exiled Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi as a transitional figure. They emphasize that Iranians overwhelmingly reject the current regime and would welcome U.S. and Israeli support through precision strikes rather than occupation. Buck explains the complexity of regime change, noting that palace coups and insider defections historically pose the greatest threat to authoritarian systems, while Cl

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, ackon, it is the start of a new week.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
We appreciate all of you who are beginning Monday with us.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Let's have some fun as we.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Roll throughout the course of another week here with all
of you. We appreciate all the time that you spend
with us. And it was a bombshell of a week
last week with Minneapolis news, Iran news, the Greenland talk,
the continued fallout of Venezuela, all of that still continuing.

(00:30):
Several things will be tracking over the course of this week.
There's actually a Supreme Court case I can't believe it
has come to this on whether men should be able
to compete in women's sports that is being argued tomorrow.
There is the possibility we could get some rulings from
the Supreme Court on the tariff case this week as well.

(00:50):
But Buck, the larger context of the Minneapolis ice shooting
took over much of pop culture over the course of
the weekend, whether it was sports, whether it was the
Golden Globes, and I thought I would play some of
this for you because the dishonesty that is coming out
across the pop culture landscape I think deserves to be

(01:14):
called out and frankly I think you need to know
what your kids or grandkids might be hearing. Inside of
the world of entertainment and sports pop culture writ large.
Here is Wanda Sykes. She is a comedian wearing a
pin to honor Renee Good, who she says, well, just

(01:35):
listen to what she had to say. Cut eleven. This
is last night in Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Of course, this is for the mother who was murdered
by Ice agent. And it's really sad. And you know,
I know people are out marching and all today and
we need to speak up.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
We need to be out.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
There and shut this rogue government found because it's just
awful what they're doing to people.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, that was in the Golden Globes. Buck, I want
to play a couple of these. This is crazy and
I'm not surprised by it, but I think a lot
of you may be sort of in disbelief that this
would happen. Golden State Warriors basketball coach Steve Kerr, in
the aftermath of an NBA game, had this to say.
This is cut nineteen, him going after Ice again. This

(02:25):
is a sports press conference after a basketball game.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Cut nineteen.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
I'm glad that the Timberwolves recognized her life and the
tragic nature of her death. And it's shameful really that
in our country we can have law enforcement officers who
commit murder and seemingly get away with it. It's shameful
that the government can come out and lie about what
happened when there's video and witnesses who have all come

(02:53):
out and disputed what the government is saying. So very demoralizing,
devastating to lose anyone's life, especially in that matter. So
it's terrible, terribly sad for her family and for her
and for that city. And I'm glad the Timberwolves came
out and expressed that sadness.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
All right, And then here is cut twenty. This is
Milwaukee Bucks head coach Doc Rivers, another NBA coach, and
another postgame press conference. For those of you who are
not sports fans, this is where the coaches come and
just answer questions about what happened in the game and
answer questions players do typically. Here is Doc Rivers. He

(03:32):
is the Milwaukee Bucks head coach.

Speaker 6 (03:34):
Listen, what happened in Minnesota was a straight up murder
in my opinion, and it's awful. You know, this lady
who was probably trying to go home and she didn't
make it home, and that's really sad. So this, the
wh Ice thing is it's a travesty. You know, it's
clearly to me we're attacking brown people and I just

(03:54):
happen to be brown. And I don't think it should
just be brown people who are upset. I think we
all have to be. I don't care what side of
this thing you are on. Politically, what's going on in
our country right now is absolutely wrong. As far as
the race stuff, the politics, I'm not going to get
into the race stuff. I will and then it's just
wrong and we have to do something. But the only

(04:16):
thing we can do right now is keeps speaking up
because den't seem might take care.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
And that's troublesome, okay, Buck.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
That is Golden globes and the NBA, so entertainment and
sports craziness.

Speaker 7 (04:30):
All.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Much of what those guys said was factually inaccurate, in
particular Doc River saying she was just trying to go home.
I mean, there's a video of her parking or car
perpendicular in the road and blowing the horn for three minutes.
But how do you respond to this? What should happen here?
I got a couple of big thoughts on the NBA front,
but I'm curious your reaction to all three of those

(04:53):
clips that obviously took over the pop culture weekend.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Oh there's so many things, Clay.

Speaker 8 (04:58):
One is that it is possible to be a top
level NBA coach making tens of millions of dollars in
your career to coach a kid's game.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
And I say that with love.

Speaker 8 (05:09):
Kids games can be great, but you can also be
a moron n be a head NBA coach. That is
definitely the case, or it's true really of any professional sport.
But the NBA is showing us that you can be
a person of no virtue, wisdom, or knowledge whatsoever about
the world around you, but you can still be good
at coaching basketball. It's also a reminder of why I
don't watch the NBA. And I understand some people might argue, well,

(05:31):
it's not fair to punish all the players. Well, okay,
where the players who think that this is gross? By
the way, there are none. Really we will speak out.
We all know that, and if the one does, we'll
all hear about it because it would be so rare.
So I don't like the NBA, and this is a
large part of why, although I also think it's turned
into a kind of boring pick and roll three point

(05:52):
shooting contest. That's a whole other part of the conversation.
I miss I missed the NBA of the nineties, the
Jordan era, and I've abandoned it as a result. The
other part of this that really bothers me, though, is
that this has nothing to do with people who are
morally outraged at what they call murder. If I walked
around and sat with every single person that we could

(06:13):
play clips from over the weekend what they think about
Harold Harper's murder, they would have no idea what I
was talking about, Absolutely no idea. And you might sit
there and say, well, hold on a second buck, I
don't know either, yeah, and that's on purpose. Harold Harper
was killed here in my home state of Florida just
a few days ago. He was gardening in his yard.

(06:38):
He's a white guy sixty four years old. A random
black guy twenty nine years old walked up behind him
with a pistol and murdered him execution style in his.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Own yard while he was gardening.

Speaker 8 (06:51):
No contact, no conversation, nothing, nothing, And you might say, well,
hold on, that's like the most horrible thing I've ever heard,
by the way of we don't mess around here secondary murder.
This guy's going to go away for the rest of
his life. But this situation happens thousands and thousands of
times over across the country. This situation of a random

(07:12):
person murdering somebody, in this case, black on white crime
is a far far bigger issue by the numbers than
this woman who not only was shot and it was
it was lawful, but the more information we find out
about this she was kind of a lunatic agitator. There's
video that shows this quite clearly that the ice officer

(07:33):
did nothing wrong. So Clay, why is it then that
they focus so much. Why does this thing that happened
in Minnesota and capture the imagination the attention of all
these idiot celebrities in Hollywood and all these moron NBA
coaches and all the rest of them. It's because they
get to be make believe civil rights hero for the day.
They get to pack themselves on the back. This is

(07:55):
about standing up against a policy that is targeting brown people.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
It's racist. Therefore I'm the good guy.

Speaker 8 (08:03):
That's all this is the actual facts of the case
mean nothing to them. They will not change their minds,
and they're actually not outraged by Hanus murder, which is
not what happened to Minnesota anyway, because Hannas murders happen
every day.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
That they could care less about. I think that's all
very well said. On the NBA front. I actually have
a potentially provocative go figure take on this that I
think would be really interesting. Both of these guys said
that this ice agent committed murder. That's a pretty defamatory
thing to say. Now, the standard of the standard of

(08:39):
legality when it comes to defamation in public cases like
this is quite high. But the NBA mandates that coaches
do postgame press conferences. This is a part of their contract.
They have to show up, they have to answer questions.
If they do not do it, they get fined. I
think there is an argument to be made that, and

(09:00):
I'm not sure again that he would win. But if
this ice agent fire filed a defamation lawsuit against not
only these NBA coaches but also their teams and the league,
I think it could lead to some really interesting outcomes here,
because what I think there should be consequences when you

(09:23):
say inflammatory things that are not supported by the evidence here. Okay,
murder in this case, it should not be charged. And
I think it quite evidently, based on the videos that
have come out, should not be charged. Doc Rivers was
one hundred percent wrong when he's saying, Oh, this woman's
just trying to get home and she gets murdered. That

(09:44):
didn't happen at all. There's no basis in fact whatsoever
for this. She blocks her car for minutes aggressively on video.
She blocked rather ice stages with her car. She was obstructing,
she was breaking the law. And really, Clay, what this
comes down to is that Democrats have convinced themselves that
laws they do not like don't count.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, that's it. And think about what the law they
don't like is.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's that people who are illegally here, oftentimes having committed
violent crimes shouldn't be arrested by ICE and removed from
our country. I mean, that's a crazy thing to try
to stand in front of and keep from actually happening.

Speaker 8 (10:22):
You could add to that, they think that if they
don't like a cop enforcing the law, you can just
stand and you know, think of the way you could
play this game, right, Oh, A cop is chasing somebody
down the street, fleeing felon, and I run and I
play the like huh huh, I play like defensive linemen
for the fleeing felon. That's obstruction, Okay, It's not okay

(10:44):
that I run and try to block the cop from
tackling the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
That's exactly what they're doing here.

Speaker 8 (10:50):
And they think they have some moral right to do it,
and they don't. And we saw how they treat people
that trespass on their sacred day of January sixth, sending me.
The only thing the FBI is apparently able to do
with any consequence during Biden's four years in office was
tracked down nonviolent J six protesters and the ones who
assaulted the cops. Because people get assaulted, or rather cops

(11:10):
get assaulted by leftist lunatics day in and day out,
and they don't send the FBII for them.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
In fact, Kamala raises money for.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Them, not only that they want more of these situations.
I saw this clip and I figured we would grab it.
This is a woman standing, several women standing in front
of an ICE agent making loud noise, banging drums, screaming
directly in the face of ICE agents as they're trying

(11:37):
to do their job. Listen to what they're having to
put up with right now in Minneapolis and other blue
cities out there. Cut twenty one. I mean, this is

(12:06):
organized protest chaos, and it's designed to try to lead
ICE agents to doing exactly what happened. They want people
to get shot and killed. That is their goal here,
and they're putting people in these situations and trying to
create them.

Speaker 8 (12:24):
They also recognize that their plan, which was to replace
the American voter with third worlders as fast as possible.
People say, oh, but they don't they can't vote. Really, okay,
let's put aside the voter fraud component for a second.
They have kids here, and then guess what they raised
the kids to vote for amnesty. They push the Democrat

(12:46):
Party in whatever way they can to vote for amnesty.
You have states that are giving illegals money for healthcare
and a whole range of other things that rely on
federal dollars. So you're paying for a two I might add,
The whole scam is starting to come apart because the
Trump administration is in fact keeping its promise once securing
the border, that's a plus. They've already done that. The harder,

(13:06):
longer part is the deportations. They're doing it. It's not
as fast as I would want it to be, but
you know, I'm not going to complain when they're the
only ones that have been willing to take up this
fight in a meaningful sense. And they are, and they're
ramping it up, Clay, and they're getting better at it.
And it's only year one in the book so far.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Look, it's two point five million, it seems, of the
twenty million. That's a number that Tom Holman told me,
so that's the one I'm referencing. He thinks twenty million
illegals were in the country when Donald Trump came into
office in January of last year, and that so far
we have gotten rid of about two point five million
of those illegals. That would suggest Buck that even if

(13:44):
we kept this exact same pace, that half of those
illegals would still be here at the end of the
Trump term. And you have to be concerned. And this
is the big part too, that they'll just open the
buarterback up as soon as held president again. I I
usually I'm the one that throws the citizism out there.
So I appreciate that Clay is pointing out this time

(14:04):
that this could be a mess. However, Clay, I do
think what you said is absolutely true. But what is
really important is, just as with border security, now we
see what is possible. Now, it is beyond a doubt
that they made a choice not to secure their border
before it can be done. Because it has been done.
If Trump deports and helps or you know, pushes for

(14:28):
self deportation, five million, eight million, whatever the number ends
up being, the next presidential election happens with us saying, hey, guys,
we got six million illegals to leave, how about six
million more?

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Do you see what?

Speaker 4 (14:40):
You know?

Speaker 5 (14:41):
What I mean?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, at this point it's impossible. We can't do anything.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I just think that they are going to immediately go
right back to open borders.

Speaker 8 (14:50):
If I'm slapping that black pill out of your hand,
no black pill here, We're not. We're not giving up, Clay.
It's gonna it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
How we gotta win multiple races in a row, because
I think they will go right back to the same
policies if they end up in a position of power again.

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Speaker 8 (16:41):
Welcome back in here, Clay and Buck. So they've decided
to make this a big issue. I think it's the
Ice shooting in Minnesota. Notice the Portland shooting. They're making Well,
no one died, that's a big part of it, to
be fair, I think they were just wounded.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
But they were also trend to Aragua members. So you
have you have.

Speaker 8 (17:01):
People that aren't even supposed to be in America. At all,
who are also while illegally here breaking a whole range
of our laws in addition to their illegality, and the
Democrats don't want them to leave either. The Democrats are
on the trend. Aragua gets to stay team over, the

(17:22):
ICE gets to enforce the law. And this is this
is showing the American people something very important. We've said
this for a long time. Democrats have pretended to be
largely in line with Republicans when it comes to things
like broadly speaking, wanting border security, broadly speaking, wanting to

(17:44):
deport illegal alien criminals. Right, so we have to add
that that's so, that's you're here illegally and you you know,
killed somebody with vehicular homicide because you were blowing a
you know, point two five or something, right. I mean,
these are the things that we thought we were supposed
to have agreement with. We don't at all. Actually, Democrats

(18:05):
don't want any of that. They want to import the
third World. They want to change the country as rapidly
as they can. They want the lawlessness, they want the fraud,
they want the government dependents, they want gender, race, communism.
And this is how they think they can bring it about.
And that's what's going on. But I bring you, Clay,
some of the leading spokespersons of the left, including members

(18:27):
of Congress, and how they speak about this representative Ilhan Omar.
You know she's going to take a radical view on
this one. She's a Somali refugee to this country. Doesn't
really do you ever sense that she is grateful for America?
Have you ever seen her give a speech where she's like,
you know, this country's amazing. Somalia is a hellhole, which

(18:47):
it is, by the way, but this country's amazing. Thank
you America for no, no, not how she approaches it.
And yet here she is speaking about our law enforcement agents.
This is cut fourteen. Play it.

Speaker 10 (18:58):
This Asian as he is gets out of his car
automatically starts running towards her, trying to open her door.
She feels scared, she tries to turn the wheel away,
and then you see the other officer, who can clearly
see the car is moving, move towards the front of
the car. Which if they are saying that he has

(19:19):
ten years on a service and is trained, he should
know that you shouldn't be trying to get in front
of a moving car. And so it is not acceptable
for Christine and the president and the vice president to
make these kind of judgments without there being a full investigation.

Speaker 8 (19:41):
Clay, she just said, the problem here is the ICE
agent should know to dive out of the way of
the car that's trying to run them over and get away.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
This is that where we are.

Speaker 8 (19:52):
This is a step away from the cop should know
to dodge the bullet when the gang member fires it
at him like it's on him.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Here's my big take here.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
As we have surged a thousand more ICE agents, I've
got two potentially controversial so get your popcorn takes here. One,
everyone who shows up and tries to obstruct an ICE
investigation should be arrested on the spot immediately because what

(20:24):
they are trying to do is create the situation like
a curd that costs this woman her life. So there
should be number one, no alenient treatment at all for
people who decide that they're going to show up and
try to combat the ICE agents from being able to
do their job. Just like again, I've made this argument.

(20:47):
I haven't heard anybody point back and even argue otherwise.
What would the reaction be if this, instead of ICE
had been the Minneapolis police, and they were conducting a
raid who arrest someone in Minneapolis who had violated the law,
and this woman had shown up and parked her car
perpendicular on the street and started honking her horn. I

(21:12):
think she would have been arrested for obstructing the investigation
by the Minneapolis.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Police as well. She should have.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Why would she not be arrested. Why should everyone of
these individuals not be arrested. That's point one point two.
I think the wife should be arrested. I haven't heard
a lot of people talk about this, but drive, Baby drive,
while also obstructing the ice investigation, this woman, who it

(21:41):
appears her partner was listening to and then took off,
she was the incentive. She was the part of the
culprit of the way this incident went down, and so
to me, she committed a crime too. Now I'm not
sure they're going to arrest her because I'm not sure
they want to sort of ac celerate this story. But

(22:01):
to me, she is guilty of a crime as well.
And I don't hear very many people talking about this,
but to me, this compulsion that it seems to be
mostly white liberal women feel to show up and try
to combat ICE. It's a crime, and we should start
treating it as such. You should be arrested when you

(22:24):
show up, and you in any way try to inhibit
the ICE agents from being able to do their job.
And by the way, here's a cut from Chicago. Now,
this is from October. Our team pulled it. Superintendent of
Police Larry Snelling. He's telling city residents basically what I'm
telling you, which is, do not create these situations.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
This is a.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Threat and it can be lead to a response of
deadly force. That again, this is from October, and I
don't know what he'll say now if you were asked
about it, but I thought this was well said back
in October.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
Several agents ICE HI are officers. They're agents of law enforcement.
If you box them in with vehicles, it is reasonable
for them to believe that they are being ambushed and
that this could end in a deadly situation, and it's

(23:17):
reasonable for them to use force based on those conditions.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Do not box in any law enforcement officer.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
You are breaking the law when you do that, and
you are putting yourself in danger if you ram any vehicle,
especially that one that contains law enforcement agents, and that's
any law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Local, state, federal, county.

Speaker 7 (23:47):
And you do this intentionally, this is considered deadly force,
and they can use deadly force in response to stop you.

Speaker 8 (23:57):
McLay, when I was in the CIA a long time ago,
a young agent getting my not agent officers, we know,
but people say agents so much even creeps into my verbiage.
A young CIA officer and you go to the farm,
which is our training facility. There have been books and
movies written about it. There's a whole series of driving stuff.
I know, Clay's gonna be like you learn that stuff, Clay.

(24:18):
Just because I don't deploy it because I'm worried about
your safety and trying to go the speed limit like
a law abiding fellow, doesn't mean I don't know how
to do these things. Although it's a perishable skill, I'm
gonna I'm not gonna pretend like if you don't do
that stuff and you aren't out there and you're not
involved in driving in the third world and doing these
kinds of things, you will forget. I mean, it's like
a sport, it's like anything else. The kind of is

(24:38):
like high speed precision driving stuff. But Clay, part of
what we learn and part of what anybody will learn
in a government kind of secret agent man driving class
is your car is a very effective weapon. I don't
know why these Democrats pretend like we don't know this.
Cars have been used exclusively, meaning just cars in mass

(24:59):
casualty terror attacks. A car used as a weapon is
incredibly lethal and can cause a mass casual deal.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Just happened in the Milwaukee suburbs not very long ago.
I know nobody wants to talk about it, but you
remember the black guy who decided that he wanted to
pore through and kill all those innocent people at the parade.

Speaker 8 (25:18):
Yeah, yeah, eighty people died. It was a truck, But
eighty people died in Nice, France during the Investie Day
celebrations because of a terrorist.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
There was a terrorist in New York City. I think
it was just a pick up.

Speaker 8 (25:30):
It was a rented U haul pickup truck and he
drove on the near the West Side Highway and ran
over a bunch of people. My point is it is
clearly a lethal incident if somebody decided they're going to
run you over, and you, as a law enforcement officer,
don't have to make the determination. Are they trying to
run me over or are they just going to run
me over because they have forced this situation, you were

(25:52):
allowed to defend yourself.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Look, and it was only a year ago we had
the awful terror attack in New Orleans on New Year's Eve,
right as New Year's Day began, remember in the French Quarter.

Speaker 8 (26:04):
F I think we can't even remember all the vehicle
terror attacks. There's so many of them. The vehicles are
a very effective weapon. Yeah, yeah, And so in conjunction
with that, and I think this is an important part
of the story as well.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
The guy got dragged by.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Someone in a car trying to obstruct an ice procedure
just in the last year, So do you think that
he might be have been uniquely aware of the dangers
of vehicles, more so than most. And again, I think
when you watch this entire thing in context, and I

(26:40):
don't know if anybody has put all these different clips
together so that you could go watch it showing up
and honking her horn for three minutes while being perpendicular
on the road as they are conducting the ice raid,
the ice investigation, honking her horn, dancing along to it.
The fact that she got rained to try to I mean,

(27:01):
why are we not prosecuting these people who are training
these activists to show up and try to obstruct ICE procedures,
ICE raids, Like all of this seems very clear, like
who's paying for this? How it was lied about a
grand criminal conspiracy.

Speaker 8 (27:19):
It was lied about on purpose. They lied about her
being a legal observer, they lied about her being a
mom on her way to the grocery store. None of that,
if you saw the video, made any sense at all.
It was clear very early on this was an intentional
confrontation staged by the woman.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
And her partner.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
And the whole point, though Clay, is that they have
twenty four hours to get people who are low information,
who are emotionally easy to manipulate, to get them all
riled up about this stuff, and then they're committed, and
it's very hard to get people to admit that they
were fooled and that they were wrong. You're seeing you're

(28:00):
seeing a lot of this with this incident, where people
that made this their big cause before knowing anything. They
don't really want to look themselves in the mirror and
be like, hmm, I'm kind of a moron and didn't
wait for the facts and couldn't figure out what was
going on here early on, because it was pretty clear.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Remember, and I give credit to Aisha Hasni, I was
on her show Saturday, It's Got a New show on
Fox News. But Axios had a story up in the
summer saying that the goal of Democrats was to get
people shot at these protests. Their goal was to get
active as shot so that they could try to shut

(28:37):
this down. They wanted this to happen. That is the
goal under which they are doing all of this training
and why they are engaging in the behavior that they did,
because they want something just like this to happen.

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Speaker 1 (30:08):
Two guys walk.

Speaker 9 (30:09):
Up to a mic, anything goes Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
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Speaker 2 (30:22):
Welcome back in Outumber three Monday, edition Clay Travis buck
Sexton show. We've talked about a lot so far that
continued fallout in Minneapolis, the way that it has been
responded at the Golden Globes in the NBA, and report
coming tomorrow on a transports case, but we haven't talked

(30:43):
about very much yet. Aaron and I want to jump
in here now and talk about why I think and
I bet Buck we'll sign off on it if this
could potentially be the biggest story going on in the
world right now, depending on exactly how it is going
to go from here. There have been roughly two weeks
of anti fascist, anti fascist, anti theocratic government leadership against

(31:08):
the Ayatola who has in power in Iran since nineteen
seventy nine. And Buck, I want to start with this
idea that I want everybody to just think about because
I think it ties in with what you and I
have correctly deduced as the identity politics governing much of
the choices being made on the left in America. Have
you seen a single major campus protest in support of

(31:33):
the Iranian protesters anywhere in America so far? And I
say that because the Iranian government has killed it appears
thousands of innocent protesters who have taken to the streets
of Iran. They're furious because the overall inflation rate has
gone out of control in the wake of the Twelve

(31:54):
Day War against Israel, which demonstrated just how feudal Iranian
military power true was. Many people are saying, we are
fed up. This protest started among people who are selling
goods in markets, and they basically said the inflation rate
has skyrocketed to such extent that they're having to change

(32:15):
prices so often that the Iranian currency has become effectively valueless.
And all of these merchants, all of these retailers said
were over it. They shut down, they refused to sell
their goods. That's where this protest started. It has since
spread everywhere. But I want all of you to take note.
Who saw campus protests from UCLA to Columbia and just

(32:38):
about all points in between. There hasn't been at least
that I've seen any campus protests that have taken over
at all in favor of the Iranian people. And that
is I think, and I bet you would sign off
on this buck because the Jews are seen as white
and they were the bad guys when it came to
Palestine and everything that was going on in Gaza, and

(33:01):
when it's actual brave Iranians standing up against the Iranian government,
there isn't an identity politics coalition for stupid leftists in
America to be able to jump on the bandwagon of
and so a lot of people are just pretending this
isn't happening now. Granted, it's all so difficult because we
don't have a ton of footage because they have shut

(33:22):
down the Internet, they've shut down phones, they've shut down
the Iranian theocratic leadership under the Ayatola has so people
aren't able to get information out as easily. But it
is really markedly different when we compare the way that
these two situations have been treated.

Speaker 8 (33:40):
The challenge for so many on the left in this
country and the Democrats all of them, is in some
of these international incidents there are clear echoes of domestic
policy and narratives that prolifer among democrats here in this country,

(34:02):
and it causes problems for them.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Example is Venezuela.

Speaker 8 (34:05):
What happened to Venezuela, Right, I'm gonna get to Iran
in a second course, but what happened in Venezuela is socialism
and social justice, essentially class warfare. The country, unfortunately, through
democratic processes, embraced a platform of central planning, class warfare
and social justice that took the largest proven oil reserves

(34:26):
in the world and made them essentially a pittance when
it came to dealing with because they can't actually pump
the oil lot and all these other problems, but they
can ruin anything. Communism can destroy anything, right. Well, the
other side of this is that in Iran you have
a country that was never colonized, so there's really no

(34:46):
anti colonial rhetoric that makes any sense. It's never been
a colony of the United States, and you have Persians,
not Arabs. But that's a distinction that a lot of
people won't even get into. But they've been running their
our own show there for quite some time and they've
ruined it. And in Islamic theocracy unfortunately is going to

(35:09):
run into these problems, and Iran has done things to
its own people. You know, we're always in this world
of whatever America does, and however America messes things up,
it's always our fault.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's always our fault.

Speaker 8 (35:23):
What you see in Iran and with the uprising Clay
is the people of Iran. Yes, are saying that this
revolutionary very Islamic by its own designation government is a
disastrous tyrannical failure top to bottom on all counts. Now,

(35:44):
given that reality, why is it that there has been
so much of a focus in the UN, for example,
on resolutions against Israel. Why has there been such a
focus on the misadventures of America in the Middle East
without taking you to count the fact that Iran has
been a state sponsor of terror all over the world

(36:04):
and especially in the Middle East for longer than you
and I have been alive, while ruining the country for
its people, while being a disaster. Basically, it's an Islamic state,
different kind of Islamic state, but it's an Islamic state
failure and it can't be avoided anymore. It also reminds
everybody the Obama administration gambit on the Middle East was

(36:26):
anything clay, anything to get a nuclear deal with Iran
and then things will get peaceful, because the alternative to
that is World War three.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
The World War three people are wrong.

Speaker 8 (36:40):
The World War three people are actually consigning the Iranian
people to perpetual misery unless there is an uprising like this.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Not only are they wrong, they are exactly.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
It's one thing to be wrong, like you can think
what's going to happen in an event, end ends up
being different. There's different levels of wrongness. They're so wrong
that they're actually working against the basic interests of the
Iranian people and of global freedom around the world. And
now here is the next question that is going to

(37:14):
come out. Iran has shown that it will kill thousands
of protesters when they take to the streets, that they
are willing to indiscriminately rein down Holy hell and their
citizens who are fighting for basic freedoms. And also pointing
out what I think is really significant, which is it's
not as you go back and watch, and I would

(37:34):
encourage people to just do Google searches on this, go
back and look at what Iran in the nineteen seventies
under the Shaw was like women walking around in dresses
and skirts, not having to wear these jobs, high levels
of education for the citizenry.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
There.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
The theocracy of Iran has not.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Only been a complete and total failure when it comes
to the base freedoms of the people of Iran, it's
destroyed the entirety of their economy. And again it's somewhat similar,
I would say to Venezuela, because this is a country
that is incredibly benefited and it is very fortunate to
have huge natural resources of oil, and so they have

(38:18):
the ability to have a successful society. They've had one before,
back in the nineteen seventies, much like Venezuela. It is
evidence of how far left wing politics destroys everything that
it touches. And so what should we do buck when
it comes to trying to support the protesters, which President

(38:40):
Trump has said he is willing to do. Should we
have more strikes in Iran? Should we What is the
actual tangible, if any result, that you think the United
States should be involved in in Iran going forward? Right now?
Because let me also lay it out for people out there.
There is an argument and it may or may not
be true. Don't don't know that if the United States

(39:02):
gets involved in any way, it could strengthen the Iranian
government because it allows them to say, oh, this is
just external factors trying to diminish the success of the
Iranian government. This isn't a organic growth opposition from inside
the country.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
This is the United States, This is.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Israel going forward already. I think these protests have come
about because of the strikes. What should we do now?
That is what the president and his advisors are weighing. Well,
that's a very that's a legitimate, tough question. Yeah, I
would like to say, Well, I'll say this first. It

(39:41):
is okay to say that something like this, and it's
not just because I'm saying it.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I say this about a whole range of things. It's complicated.

Speaker 8 (39:49):
It's hard because you can make a decision with the
best of knowledge and intentions that based on the extreme
variability of these circumstances, could blow up in your face.
So you can have some guiding principles, but even the
best guiding principles about whether it's non interventionism or an
aversion to to coup involvement or coup plotting or all

(40:11):
these different things. Okay, Well, we also know that we
blew up the nuclear program and nothing happened, right, So
there's it's not as easy as just this is what
the smart people think and therefore it's right or wrong.
I think in the case of Iran, it would be
obviously fantastic for the for the Islamic Revolution to fail

(40:34):
and collapse at the hands of the Iranian people. And
you know, you hear this because you have a really
robust Iranian American community of people who a lot of
them people who fled. I mean you go around the La.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Area, for example, legitimately fled because they might have been
killed if they had stayed in the country. This is
real asylum seekers. So they're they're refugees.

Speaker 8 (40:57):
I mean, there are people that had to take refuge
just like the Cubans in South Miami who left because
they didn't want to be part of Castro's authoritarian dictatorship.
I mean, you'll notice there's this belief in left wing
circles that all go well, America is bad and all
other governments are better than or at least as good
as America. And that's in a crazy belief not rooted

(41:19):
in any actual reality. THERESI the Iranian regime is an
evil regime. They do evil constantly. They have ways of
rationalizing it, but they do evil externally and internally, and they're.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Bad at what they do. You know, you can talk
a lot.

Speaker 8 (41:34):
I mean people will say, what about Saudi Arabia, or
like what about China. Those countries do things that I
also think are immoral and bad and wrong, But those
countries aren't run by complete and utter morons. I'm just
saying in terms of the results. It's not about iq
but it's in terms of the results. Iran is a disaster.
It is a disaster on the scale of Venezuela. Is

(41:56):
a disaster as a country. So at least in the
case of something like Saudi, which is, by the way,
in the process of liberalizing, not a lot, but it
is under Muhammad bin Solomon. It is, you know, allowing
women some greater freedoms, and there are some things happening there.
It's a little bit of a more nuanced picture, but
it's still an authoritarian theocracy.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
But they're building a lot of stuff play.

Speaker 8 (42:18):
It is safe, it is clean, and it is a
very robust economy because of its energy exports. Iran is
a disaster, yes, so it offers even the people of
Iran nothing. And this is where the left in this country,
which loves to blame America, Iran is not America's fault.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Iran is the Shia Iranian Islamic theocracy's fault.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Here's another angle on that buck. A lot of the
countries I believe in the Middle East actually prefer the
Ayatola in control because they know he's an incompetent leader
and that Iran offers no actual danger or threat to
them because of their incompetence. In others, you don't know

(43:02):
who's going to replace the Ayatola. We always like to think, oh,
it's going to get better. Sometimes the leader that replaces
the bad leader is worse. Now this is much less significant,
But Chicago did it right. Everybody's like, no, there's no
way they could do worse than Mariy Lightfoot. And then
they went and got Brandon Johnson. Right, Sometimes replacing a
failed leader does not lead to a better place. So

(43:26):
you also have to to your point on the uncertainty.
I don't know what the situation is in terms of
who would rise up to be the next leader. Now
we've reached out to the Shah of Iran, who is
we have actually reached out to Reza Pavlaby. I'm probably
mispronouncing his lame as I always do for these names,

(43:49):
but he is saying, based on what I have seen, hey,
I'm willing to be sort of a bridge to a
more democratic Iran. Because people have a fond recollection now
of the Shaw's leadership. Because there were basic human rights
that did exist when that happened in the seventies. But
to your point about things and what will happen afterwards,

(44:12):
it is hard in this case to imagine a regime
that if this doesn't mean that like someone else takes
over as the Mullah, right, this isn't It's not like,
oh we have another Komani. If it's somebody from the
established regime right now, that's not actually a new regime.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Right.

Speaker 8 (44:29):
So if you have those someone who's truly outside the
system right now governing, or even a temporary disintegration of
governance at some level, which I think is what really
is concerned. A Libya, like a post Cadafi Libya or
a pre and post assad Syria. I mean, these are
these are the things that people weigh on their minds

(44:50):
when they're looking at all of this. But Clay, it
is hard to imagine a regime that would be worse
than what Iran has been suffering under since nineteen seventy nine.
It's hard to fathom how that could be possible.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I agree, And so that comes back to what should
we do? And hey, I bet we have a bunch
of Iranian listeners. If you are listening to us right now,
and you are have family in Iran, or you feel
like you are fairly well plugged in with the situation
in Iran. We would love to hear from you, because Buck,
you and I were talking about this off air before

(45:22):
we started the show.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
I said, Hey, do you have anybody who's.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Really good on Iran and that we could come on it,
bring on as a guest, and you said no, And
I don't know anybody. The challenge is information is so
difficult to get out of Iran. It's you made the analogy.
It's somewhat similar nor it's like North Korea, Like, who's
a really great expert on North Korea? Well, it's basically
a closed you know fear.

Speaker 8 (45:43):
You know, I'm not like a lot of people in
media that know much more than other because we're all
just reading and observing and learning. There's not a lot
of firsthand experience that many people bring to there. And
even those you'll say, oh, like CNN, I'm sure Anderson
Cooper's like I've been a Tehran ten times. Yeah, with handlers,
going to the places you were allowed to go, seeing
what you were allowed to see, and not able to

(46:04):
say what you wanted to say, so, you know, it
doesn't really Uh, there's not a lot of great voices
on this one in the media right now to point to.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Who have deep expertise.

Speaker 8 (46:16):
But we'll see, well, we'll see if we can get
somebody on that's particularly astute on this We.

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Speaker 2 (47:42):
Welcome back in Ask and ye shall receive a lot
of Iranian callers.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
People who were born.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
In Iran or have fled Iran in the wake of
the nineteen seventy nine revolution that put the Ayatolas into
power are weighing in. And then we've got several callers
who want to give us their perspectives on the situation
that is currently playing out in Iran. A First Shaw

(48:10):
in Clarksville, Indiana. You said you've been in the US
since nineteen seventy five, but lived in Iran before that.
What are you hearing from friends and family back in Iran.
What is the best thing that the United States could
do from your perspective, I.

Speaker 11 (48:26):
Was born in Iran. First of all, it's an honor
to talk to you, gentlemen. I was born in Iran,
immigrated to the United States, becoming a legal citizen, and
have been rooting for a regime change in Iran ever since.
Irania has made a blunder by bringing this Comani to
power years forty six years ago now, but now they

(48:47):
want to correct that course. And you're looking at the
Berlian world moment if this regime falls, and they need
to help. If this regime falls, not only is Iran
would become a a calm, cruel country, not investing in
terrorism and all that. But I think it's going to
be a seismic change in how the world views a

(49:11):
Islam and leftism, because what brought these two in power
was the communists, leftists organized by you know throughout the
Soviet years in Heres, Germany and all that, as well
as the Molas who had the influence within the society.
But Iranians have grown out of it. Those people are

(49:32):
in power because of sheer force and brutality, and Iranians
are peaceful people. We've been there's nineteen million Iranians back
home and we want to change, we cannot. It's a
fair states right now. And if the United States and
Israel can help us bring a bouty change and I'm

(49:52):
not talking about boots on the ground, but strategic strike
against this structure of the regime in Iran, I'm telling
you Iran would be a shining city on the hill
in the Middle East.

Speaker 8 (50:09):
So so if that means, just to be clear, if
for example, and I think it's very important, and why
is that you establish that boots on the ground. You're
not asking for that, you don't want that, and we
you know, I think America, the lesson we learned is
in Iraq and Afghanistan, you can't have tenth Mountain and
eighty second Airborne and the Marines, the Army, all these

(50:29):
guys walking around villages trying to build them for the
people that live there, like that's not what we're doing, right,
And everyone agrees, I think that, or everyone should agree
that in Iran, that's not what the Iranian people want,
that's not what we want.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
But hitting the.

Speaker 8 (50:41):
Besiege headquarters, IRGC facilities, things like that in response to
I mean, they've killed hundreds, probably thousands now of protesters
just opening fire on them. So going after some choke points,
if you will, or some precise strike points against the
regime you want that. If Trump did that, you and
many Iranians, I assume that you're friends with running Americans.

(51:03):
Your friends would be clapping for that.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Is that right?

Speaker 11 (51:06):
We will put Trump's statue in the main streets of Iran,
will praise him. He would do the second Cyrus, the
great moment for Iran, for the world history, for the
Jewish people, for the whole civilized world. And there is
a plan in place. You have ten million Iranians that fled.

(51:26):
Ninety percent of them are willing to invest in Iran.
They're technocrats and they're supporting Reshah Pahlavi. We want to
give back to Rasa Panavi, to the opportunity for Uran
to become a progressive nation, a pro Western nation. And
he has had conferences, He's got connections within the Iranian

(51:47):
community and elsewhere. He's the international figure that Uron can
easily become a civilized country.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I'm telling you, thank you so much for the call.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
We've got several people who went away in that was
an Indiana caller who was born in Iran. You could
hear the passion in his voice. Monsieur Monsieur in New
York City. Came to the US in nineteen seventy nine,
right about as the revolution happened, Monsieur, What was Iran
like before the revolution? So when you were in Iran

(52:23):
prior to nineteen seventy nine, what was the country like then?
What should in your mind it be like going forward?
And what can the United States do to help get
Iran to where it should be?

Speaker 4 (52:37):
First of all, guys, thank you for having me on
a longtime wrestler of Rush and Rush We'll be happy
to have smiling and when you guys have done in
the past few years on this show. I came here
in nineteen seventy nine, right around January, actually exactly on
January eleventh of nineteen eighty the Less Iran in December

(52:59):
of nineteen seventy nine, after all the schools closed them
the first and foremost. All day long, I've been listening
to TV and radio and a lot of people maybe misinformed,
saying that the show was a bureau dictator. He killed
a lot of people. Let me correct that. If you
go back to nineteen seventy six, there's an interview of

(53:20):
Mike Wallace on sixty minute the Shov Iran, where he
basically came out and explained the situation in Iran, where
Iran was, where it is right now, and where it's
going in. One of the points that he made in
regards to what's going on with America, he said, in America,
the media and wish you guys know very well the media,

(53:42):
Hollywood TV is controlled by the Jewish Alliance. This was
in nineteen seventy six, one year to date all the
problems in Iran started. Now, the Jewish Alliance that he
was talking about, it's the same Jewish alliance that put
Mondani in office in New York City, the same Islamic
communists that took over Iran. The second point I want

(54:06):
to make is when the trouble started in Iran, it
was not a revolution. This is not a legal government
because the Matchless, which is the Congress of Iran, never
elected this group to come in. So this was a
propaganda to get rid of the Shaw was a very
popular figure in Iran and very powerful figured up in

(54:28):
the past seven years before he left in Iran, and
as a result, they needed to get rid of him
because with this regime that came in, or this occupying
regime that came in in Iran gave away a lot
of its resources to the world to rush out to
the United States, to Europe, which there's none left for

(54:50):
us to us. All the money that the l laws
made went to terrorism. And there are people living in
the streets right now in Iran.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
So would you like to have the shaw back? What
would in your ideal situation, Iran look like next year
if everything could be uh? You going back in time
in the shaw is a bridge to a new, more
democratic Iran?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
What should happen?

Speaker 4 (55:13):
I think millions of people are giving us an answer.
They're saying javis shah, which means long leaves the king.
If if Mohammad rash the father was so bad, none
of these people, old, young and new to politics would
never ask for Razasha to come back. They want Ressha

(55:35):
to come back. Yes, And as Rasha has mentioned, he
wants to be a bridge for the people to vote
and what they want. Do they want a king? Do
they want a democracy like it is in the United
States presidency. He's putting that choice on the hands of
the people. You can't ask for anything more. As an
Iranian who's been here for forty seven years. Okay, I

(55:58):
can't ask for anything better than this. Thank you, all
the thanks to the people of your own.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Thank you for the call.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Getting a variety of perspectives, John in Long Island say,
you're a first generation American, but your dad came to
the USA from Iran. What do you hear from your
friends and family? What should America do? What should happen
to Iran based on the conversations that you have with
people from that country who are now here.

Speaker 12 (56:25):
Well, what I'm hearing is that one of the biggest
problems is the military over there is really financially taken
care of by the Molas and the Ali polls over there,
which is what protecting the government there. So obviously they
don't have a Second Amendment in Iran, so these protests
go on, but they don't have any other way to
defend themselves. So I mean, from my perspective, I mean,

(56:48):
I mean, I'd look at a place like Egypt when
the Muslim Brotherhood came in there and that people were
running over there were basically the Ayia polls and suits
in the military had to come into Austin because the
people weren't having it. I wanted to know from Buck
if he thinks there's any way that the military could
possibly turn on the government there, because I just don't
see how like the Crown Prince could come back and

(57:09):
just have a smooth transition into having you know, elections
or a referendum or something on a new government. Shouldn't
there be some sort of way for the military to
turn on them, because my understanding is the tool of
Sun seems like he wants to take over if he
flees to Moscow.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Well, it's a very look.

Speaker 8 (57:25):
You ask a great question, and of course you're talking
about Iranian regimes. You want to talk to the CIA
guy about Kho's which is fine, which is fine, as
one does. I would say, one of the big you know,
the biggest child historically. I've actually read some academic treatises
I guess on this like books that have been like

(57:48):
multilips or multi lips is what they call them, right,
don't really get published, but kind of get published. You
can find them on jstore and those kinds of places.
The biggest threat to authoritarian regimes is a highly placed
inside Historically, it's actually not external intervention and it's not
even an uprising of the people. The biggest threat, by
the numbers is, you know, the guy who's the dictator

(58:10):
or El Capitan or El Kamandante.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Or whatever the palace came his.

Speaker 8 (58:15):
Yeah, his brother who runs the security services, like you're done,
you know, and maybe he gets sent to exile or
maybe he sleeps with the fishes. But that's usually the
biggest one. So the question in an Iranian context is, Okay,
you want the removal of this regime, but the regime
is an apparatus. It's not an individual. It's not just

(58:35):
the IRGC. It's not just the besiege who were like
the street thugs. And Syria they were called the Shabiha,
and in Iran they're they're the besiege who are like
the Hitler youth is broughably, you know, that's not really it,
but it's kind of like that. It's like the young
thugs that beat people up for not obeying the Islamic Revolution, YadA, YadA.

(58:56):
So the besiege are bad dudes. They're like a militia,
and you gotta get rid of the people that run
all of those things, is my point too, Right, It's
not just like there's one guy who goes and then
everything you get rid of the ayatola, you can't the
government structure is still there. It's like the next guy
comes up and it's a very similar system probably, and

(59:17):
this is one of these.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
This is about Venezuela, right.

Speaker 8 (59:19):
Yes, this is the problem becomes, well, now do you
want someone who's already highly placed, who's willing to dramatically
change course for the regime is in a position where
they're powerful enough to do so, get compliance from the
existing apparatus to change course, not be killed or whatever

(59:39):
them sell. This is where it gets very tricky because
a lot of people have been not only bought into
this because of their benefit from their access to the regime,
but also their hands are dirtied by it, yeah, meaning
that they were involved in the repression. They were, and
those people get very Now, look, it is possible the

(01:00:01):
people will point to like a what happened in Nazi
Germany for example, Yeah, we had trials and hanged people
after the end of the war, and we slaughtered a
whole lot of SS And I mean, you know, that's
like decimation more than decimation. But that's that's the annihilation
of the regime that wasn't just like, oh, Hitler's dead.
Everything's fine. Hitler all of his buddies, they're all dead

(01:00:23):
or we killed them that was what, or for the
rest of their life, right, but you know, but but
they all got dealt with them. Nobody was like, you
know this Hitler guy, let's give him a shot, his
chancellor of Germany.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:00:33):
So you have a similar situation with the Iyatolas and
the Iranian regime. What's the what's the Is there a
off ramp that would work with the existing structure, and
this is just sort of general kup one o one stuff.
Not that I know about that CIA stuff. We don't know,
but kup one on one stuff. Is there an off
ramp Venezuela, we're taking that right now. We're doing that

(01:00:56):
off ramp thing of Okay, we're gonna use what's in place,
because we don't want Iraq getting rid of the bath party,
which was like everybody from the generals to the traffic cops,
oh sorry, you can't have a hand in this. Well
that was a terrible Yeah. So in Iran clay, it's
it's gonna be. It's tricky, but the more it is
indigenous and authentic from within the Iranian people the better,

(01:01:18):
that is for sure. That is the and the problem
we ran into an Afghanistan is we're like, hey, we
used to work with this guy back in the day
against the Soviets. Let's just like put him on a
motorcycle and like drop him over the border in the
country and you know, hey, I'm made Krzai.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
What's going on, buddy? I mean that doesn't work well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Not only that, I mean that wasn't one of the
big hopes of Iraq. Was it a mad Shalabi like
this guy sold? They yeah, sold everyone on, Hey, I
can run the country. There's actually a huge demand for
Saddam to be replaced. And the reality was obviously the
ethnic divisions, the different Muslim backgrounds and then the Kurds.

(01:01:56):
It turned into a huge disaster. I still kind of
think that the way to have solved their rack from
the get go was actually to divide the country up
into three different unique ethnic groups, give the Kurds their freedom,
and divide Iraq in some way. I know there's lots
of challenges, but that is why a lot of people
out there are like, Okay, what is the solution if

(01:02:17):
the iatola gets overthrown, what is the next step. By
the way, great calls, wide variety of perspectives. It's why
I love opening up phone lines, because there aren't a
lot of people with a great deal of expertise. When
it comes through with all of this, all right, we'll
play a couple of cuts more to close up shop.
As this story continues to play out, I would encourage

(01:02:39):
you guys to pay attention to it because I do
think it could be in a Berlin Wall type moment.
If things were able to end up with the iatola
going away and the shot coming back and all these
different moving parts, it could be transformative in many different ways.
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