March 10, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show focuses heavily on the dramatic plunge in global oil prices, with Clay noting that crude fell more in the past 24 hours than at any point in the last four years. They discuss how the previous day’s panic over $120‑per‑barrel oil evaporated almost instantly as prices sank back into the mid‑$80s, sending commodities traders scrambling. The hosts argue that media outlets quickly moved on from the alarmist narrative once the price collapse undercut the storyline, and they connect the market swings to uncertainty in the Strait of Hormuz, where shipping captains remain cautious despite the United States delivering crushing military blows to Iran’s navy and missile infrastructure.
The hour’s main guest, Senate candidate Michael Watley of North Carolina, joins to lay out why he believes his race will become the most expensive Senate contest in American history, with more than $600 million expected to pour into the state. Watley contrasts his platform with Democrat Roy Cooper’s record on crime, taxes, immigration enforcement, and cultural issues, arguing that Cooper repeatedly vetoed legislation aimed at keeping violent illegal immigrants out of North Carolina and supported policies allowing biological males into women’s sports and locker rooms. He highlights the massive federal recovery effort after Hurricane Helene, crediting Trump‑aligned leadership for billions in rebuilding investments across western North Carolina. Watley emphasizes that suburban, college‑educated independent voters—particularly those concerned about inflation, housing affordability, and public safety—will determine the outcome of the race, which historically has been decided by razor‑thin margins.
Economic concerns dominate much of Hour 2, with Watley laying out pro‑growth policies he hopes to implement in the Senate, including extending Trump’s middle‑class tax cuts, eliminating taxes on overtime, tips, and Social Security, and pursuing regulatory and trade reforms designed to strengthen manufacturing, small businesses, and farms. He notes skyrocketing housing costs across the state and previews an upcoming meeting with federal housing officials aimed at increasing supply, lowering prices, expanding first‑time homebuyer access, and reducing interest rate pressure. Clay and Buck underscore how these affordability issues have become decisive for independent voters in states experiencing rapid population growth.
Listeners chime in with questions about global oil markets, prompting Clay and Buck to explain that even though the United States is the world’s largest oil producer, it cannot unilaterally set prices because oil is traded globally. Shipping companies remain nervous about Iranian missile and drone threats in the Strait of Hormuz, which keeps markets volatile despite major U.S. military successes.
Shannon Bream joins the show to discuss her new book, Nothing Is Impossible with God, and to break down several high‑stakes Supreme Court cases expected in the coming months. She details upcoming rulings on redistricting, race‑based gerrymandering, and executive power, noting that the timing of decisions could influence how states draw congressional maps ahead of the 2026 midterms. The conversation expands to unresolved tariff‑refund disputes created by recent court rulings and the Supreme Court’s stalled investigation into the Dobbs leak, which she says produced no identified culprit and may be difficult to reopen. Clay and Buck also ask about speculation that aging justices like Samuel Alito might retire while Trump still controls Senate confirmations, though Bream says there are no signs of imminent departures.
The final segment of Hour 2 features listener calls, including one caller who credits Buck’s book with politically converting a left‑leaning college student. Buck and Clay discuss some of the historical material that didn’t make it into the final manuscript, including Soviet propaganda and the mythology surrounding Stalin’s cult of personality. The hour closes with breaking news out of New York, where the NYPD bomb squad responds to explosive devices thrown near Gracie Mansion, setting up further coverage later in the show.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in hour number two Clay Travis buck Sexton show
headline on Fox Business. Oil prices have dropped the most
in four years in the last twenty four hours. If
you're wondering whether the oil panic of yesterday has vanished.
Stock prices are up again today fairly decently, and MSNBC
(00:26):
has removed their oil and gas tracker from their website
as well as the stock market sorry, from their television broadcast.
And so we're on to the next narrative, whatever it
may be. After a one day everybody's going to collapse
because we're not going to be able to pay for
(00:47):
oil and gas narrative. And by the way, Buck, I
was talking about this with Buck off the air.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, tough spot.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
If you were one of those guys who bought the
oil and gas yesterday for one hundred and twenty dollars
and now you're staring at eighty five dollar barrel of oil,
that's a that's a big hit for a lot of
the commodities traders out there. Speculation is risk, no doubt.
(01:14):
We bring in now North Carolinian Michael Wattley. One of
the biggest battleground states of the midterm will be North Carolina,
and in particular and open Senate seat there. The primaries
are over, it is going to be Michael Wattley against
Roy Cooper.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You have seen and.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Helped to shepherd Trump to victories in North Carolina in
twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty four, and so
you know the state better than almost anyone. What does
it look like on the ground there? What needs to
happen in order for a victory to happen in this
seat to remain in Republican hands.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Chairman Wattley, Well, really, look what came out of the primaries,
and we have an unified Republican Party and we have
the narrative that we really were hoping to have in
this election cycle, because this is about contrast. This is
about the choice that North Carolinians had, and they're going
to vote for a conservative champion who's going to be
(02:16):
an ally for President Trump over Roy Cooper, who absolutely
is not going to be an ally with the President.
He's not going to support the President's agenda. He is
going to be a soft on crime senator just like
he was a soft on crime governor, and he is
going to always want higher taxes. He's going to want
boys and girls sports and men and women's locker rooms.
(02:38):
And he's going to always fight harder for criminals and
illegal aliens than he is for the people of North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
So my understanding is you are the recoveries are for
western North Carolina right after Hurricane Helen. That Trump has
talked about how you've been important in those efforts. How
is that going And what would you say at the
state efforts that you weren't in control of to try
to help out areas like Ashville and Boone.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Well, what we saw when Roy Cooper was the governor
was absolutely no activity whatsoever, either from Joe Biden or
from Roy Cooper. They both left the state totally in shambles.
What President Trump has done, what we've been able to do,
is bring eight point seventy five billion dollars plus in
recovery efforts to western North Carolina. Ninety nine percent of
(03:32):
the roads have been rebuilt, the bridges have been rebuilt,
the water systems, the wastewater systems have been rebuilt. You know,
that is a very strong part of the state. It
is a resilient part of the state. The people there have,
you know, overcome advers adversity. But you know, we're not
ready to hang out a mission accomplished banner yet, but
(03:53):
we feel very good about where we are in terms
of the recovery. And this is the largest recovery effort
by the federal govern in North Carolina history for any hurricane.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
The governor, former governor of North Carolina you're running against,
Troy Cooper. I remember seeing a super viral video of
him asked a very basic question, should men be able
to compete in women's sports? And I know, as March
madness is going on, there's not a sports crazier state
hardly for basketball season than North Carolina right now. I
(04:27):
think it's something that really cuts through and connects with
a lot of North Carolinians in particular.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Has he answered that question?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I imagine that when you get on the debate stage
and as this campaign progresses, that's going to be something
that you really hammer him on.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Well, he did answer the question, because he vetoed three
different bills to keep woke out of schools, boys out
of girls' sports, and men's out of women's locker rooms.
He's exactly wrong on this issue set and it really does,
as you say, you know, touch the hearts and minds
of people all across North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
What is the difference between you and Roy Cooper? As
you see it when it comes to immigration enforcement. That's
obviously an area that matters a whole lot to the
whole country, and it matters a whole lot to your
home state of North Carolina. Where's Cooper on that issue?
Where has he been as governor? And where will you be?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, I'm going to support President Trump. I think that
when we talk about the highest most important function for
any government, it is protecting its citizens. That's true, whether
it's local, state, or federal. And what President Trump has
done in securing our border is not just keep out
you know, the millions of illegal immigrants that were flowing
into the country every single year, but is also brought
(05:43):
down drugs. He's brought down migrant prime sex trafficking, you know,
all of the all of the scourges that came along
with you know, ten to fifteen million illegal immigrants that
came across you know. Roy Cooper, on the other hand,
Vico two different bills that would fourth sheriff to omit
rice detainers and help get violent, criminal illegal aliens out
(06:03):
of North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh I know that the answer is everywhere, every part
of the state. But you know the state of North
Carolina better than anybody. Buck just asked you about western
North Carolina, where I think you were born and raised,
still recovering from a lot of what happened with Hurricane Helene.
Where does a statewide race get decided in your mind?
(06:25):
Is it the suburbs outside of Charlotte? Is it in
turnout related issues? Again, I know that there are lots
of things to point to, but when you look at
this state, where is a close election decided in North Carolina?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Look, you nailed it on the head when you said
everywhere matters. We're expecting that this race is going to
be extraordinarily close. You know, when Tom Tillis won this
seat for the first time in twenty fourteen, he had
a fifty thousand vote margin, which was three tenths of
a point. When he won it for the second time,
it was a sixth tenth of a point margin, and
(07:01):
Ted Budd got a very comfortable fifty point five. So
we know that every place is going to matter. What
we need to do is to get out there and
talk to every Republican voter that supported President Trump. Who
has not voted in the off years. So we look
at people who voted in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and
twenty twenty four, but they didn't vote in twenty eighteen
(07:22):
or twenty twenty two. We want to go to them
and have a conversation that says this, it really matters.
We need to dynamite them off the couch and we
need to get them to go vote. The other thing
that we need to do is, in a typical election
in North Carolina, forty six forty seven percent of the
people are going to vote for a Republican candidate, forty
six forty seven percent are going to vote for a
(07:43):
Democratic candidate. And then we are going to have to
go have a conversation with that six to eight percent
that are your swing voters. And they're predominantly suburban, they're
predominantly college educated, and the thing that matters to them
is a conversation about crazy versus common sense. And they
supported President Trump in this last election cycle independent voters
(08:04):
in North Carolina fifty four to forty five because he
was the common sense candidate. He was actually going out
there and talking about the issues that they cared about,
not the woke progressive issues that Kamala Harris was putting
on the table. Roy Cooper is right there in lockstep
with the Democratic Party when he's talking about open borders,
inflationary spending in a weak, woke America. What I'm fighting
(08:28):
for is President Trump's common sense agenda to rebuild our economy,
to make sure that our kids and our communities are safe,
and that the men and women in uniform based in
North Carolina have what they need to protect our interests
and allies around the world.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Speaking to Michael Wadley, he's running for that Senate seat
that's opened in this cycle in North Carolina. I know
you've strongly supported Michael. President Trump's tax cuts, which have
obviously boosted North Carolina's economy along with the rest of
the country. But there's major affordability concerns in your state,
just like there are in many states, particularly a lot
(09:04):
of states, people are moving to right. Housing prices are
going up because of that supply and demand reality. Roy
Cooper wants to expand medicaid. Roy Cooper wants to spend
more money, and that's not going to help.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
What would you like to do?
Speaker 5 (09:18):
What kind of pro growth policies would you prioritize in
the Senate so that working families can get some relief
and there can be some of the affordability issues addressed
that are so critical right now, especially to those independent
swing voters.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah. Look, tax policies, regulatory policies, and trade policies that
are going to help North Carolina manufacture small businesses and
particularly our farms. Right we need to create more jobs,
We need to make sure people are taking home bigger paychecks,
and of course we've got to get the cost download
and that is going to take a concerted effort. You know,
(09:55):
one of the things that's so important about President Trump
and the One Big Beautiful Bill that was passed by
by Congress last year is extending the Trump middle class
tax cuts, which ended up being the largest tax cut
in history, and making sure that no tax on tips,
no tax on overtime, no tax on social security. You know,
Roy Cooper, when he was a legislator, he voted for
(10:17):
multiple tax hikes. When he was the governor, he vetoed
six different tax cuts, and he made it very clear
that he would have voted against the One Big Beautiful Bill.
So he's always going to support tax increases. He's always
going to want, you know, to tax and spend your money, right,
I'm going to always fight to make sure that we're
going to bring those costs down. You know, you mentioned housing, right.
(10:38):
So just today we've got Secretary Scott Turner, Secretary of
Housing Urban Development, coming into Charlotte, North Carolina, and we're
going to have a roundtable where we're going to be
focusing on bringing down housing costs and making sure that
we have houses that are going to be available. It's
really hard for you to set up and live the
American dream when you can't get married and buy a
(11:00):
house and raise a family. And so what we want
to do is have an honest conversation with the Secretary
along with you know, real estate developers and lenders and
construction folks, about what is it going to take for
us to be able to build more homes and bring
down those prices. We need to bring you know, interest
rates down, right. President Trump has been fighting on that
(11:21):
a lot. We need to have transparency in the housing markets,
and we need to make sure that the HUD loans
and other programs they have are specifically designed to get
more first time homeowners into place.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
How much is this race going to cost total do
you think And for people out there that might have
the resources to be able to help you, how can
they help you?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Well, this is going to be the most expensive Senate
race in the history of the country, and we're seeing,
you know, experts on both sides of the aisle or
saying that we're going to be somewhere north of six
hundred million dollars that are going to be spent on
this race, which is going to eclipse what we saw
in Ohio and Georgia Pennsylvania in the last couple of
election cycles. People want to support us, they can go
to Michael Wattley dot com. We are certainly going to
(12:07):
need help from all across the country, and we're going
to be in a position to win this race when
we have that support, because we are believers that good
policy is good politics, and we're going to be on
the right side of every one of these eighty twenty
issues and we're going to be fighting for President Trump's
common sense agenda.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I want to just come back to that number quickly,
because my jaw drop for people watching on video, you
think this race is going to cost six hundred million dollars?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, I think it's a it's a stunning indictment on
politics these days that this is what we're going to
be spending on there, you know, But we need to
make sure that we get our message out, you know,
and and President Trump did such a good job. What
we did on the campaign was make sure that we
were good stewards of every dollar that we were spending
it in a way that was going to maximize getting
(12:58):
our message out there. But it didn't work if we
didn't have a good message. And so when we talk
about rebuilding the economy, restoring the borders, and keeping our
kids and our communities safe, and making sure that our
military has what they need, you know, as as we're
watching what happens now in Iran, we need to make
sure that we're focusing on what are the issue sets
(13:20):
that the voters care about.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
He is Michael Wattley.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
He is hopefully going to be the next Senator from
the state of North Carolina. I'm sure we'll be talking
to you a lot. That six hundred million dollar battle
that is extraordinary, sir, Get your rest and be ready.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
We're ready to go. And really appreciate you and your listeners.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
That is Michael Wattley check them out and one of
the big open Senate seats maybe the biggest battle ground
Senate battle in the country.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
There hundred million. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
By the way, reports now that the New York Police
Department bomb squad has arrived at Gracie Mansion. Buck will
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Welcome back in here to play and Buck and Uh.
We are getting into some of your talkbacks and calls. Also,
Shannon Breem, chief legal correspondent Fox News, is coming up
shortly with her book Nothing Is Impossible with God. We
are big Shannon Breem fans here, so we are happy
to talk to her about her book, but also some
(15:35):
major Supreme Court cases that will have an effect on
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Speaker 6 (16:02):
Hey, Buck could you just give an explanation of why
if we've beaten the crap out of Iran and all
their military, why are we still dealing with blockages of
the Straits of hor moves and increase an oil price
and all that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Why is why is it not open? Yeah, it's a
good question.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Trump was addressing this just the last few days, telling
the ship captains the oil tankers, it's okay, go for it.
All right, Well, that's that's a little easier and said
than done. If you're the ship captain on a giant
floating sea of oil and you know that the Iranians
are saying, we may just decide to make an example
(16:38):
if somebody and cause an ecological disaster.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
You know, you don't want to.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Be the one that they happen to have one more
good missile lined up for, right, So there's there's just
a fear factor with these ships going in and out.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Right now, they're still sending drones and missiles out, so
you could be, to bucks point the one that gets hit,
which is why Trump is now providing escort. By the way,
I think the fear that this was going to happen
has collapsed. It drove up oil prices now, they're down
forty dollars from yesterday. By the way, Dan in New
(17:11):
York w r UP in New York City has a question.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
Hi, guys, Dan from New York here, maybe you could
explain to the audience why, if we are the biggest producer,
why we can't control the price.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Well, it's because oil is a globally traded commodity, so
it's priced by international supply and demand. So there's there's
a lot of how much oil is being pumped by
different places at different time. I mean, we have influence
on it obviously, Like it's not as we don't. We
don't lack influence, but there's additional supply or rather, you know,
(17:52):
additional capacity is a big thing, like the Saudis have
a lot of additional capacity to put out more.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
So it's not so clear as just it's global buck.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I would also add in there has to be a
price point where people can make money. So you can't
drive down the price of boiling gas to thirty dollars
a barrel because no one will pump, right, It's a
balancing act. We'll talk a little bit more about that.
It's a good question I think for people who may
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Speaker 3 (19:20):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Congratulations on the new book. Let me make sure that
I get that out there. For the title, it is
Nothing is Impossible with God, eleven Heroes, one God Endless
Lessons in Overcoming Shannon of course, chief legal correspondent at
Fox News, and we encourage all of you to go
buy her book, put her on the bestseller list, like
(19:42):
Buck was just on the bestseller list.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
For the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And Shannon, I'll get to the book in a sec,
but let me start with this. We're still expecting really
big Supreme Court decisions. When do we expect some of
these to come down? And what do you think has
the potential to be the most significant between now and
June when that term is over.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Welly, good to hear your voice. It's great to be
with you, guys, Thanks for having me. We probably will
get another round of opinions starting the week of March
twenty third. They're back in arguments or arguments then, so listen,
it's the Court's world. We're just living in it. They
could give these opinions any time we want, but that's
kind of my educated guest. You know, we're waiting on
one really big one out of Louisiana that has to
(20:25):
do with redistricting with the Voting Rights Act, and you
guys know, we're tracking these states all over the country
that are trying to do redistricting leading up to the midterms.
So if we get that decision on the earlier side,
meaning you know, March April, rather than the later which
would be the end of June, it really does have
the potential to impact a number of these states and
what they're doing, what's redrawing these streets. So excuse me,
(20:46):
the district. So I'm watching for that one. We've got
a couple that tests the limits of executive power, you know,
the President trying to dismiss a governor from the FED Board,
and some other interesting ones that we're just kind of
waiting on our nail biting standby.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I want to ask you about the book because I
just went through the whole book thing and still.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Going through and congrats, congrats, thank.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
You, thank you. I'm sure you're enjoying your copy very much.
Thank you for your kind words.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Tell me.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
What'd you write in this book and what if people
needed to know? I want to dive right into it.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
Well, listen, it's a group of stories from the Bible,
Old and New Testament to have this theme of overcoming,
because I mean, all of us get up against something
in life that you know, either it's unplanned and it's
you know, a terrible diagnosis or financial crisis, or something
really difficult in life. And maybe something exciting like you know,
starting a new business or having a baby or doing something.
But we all have things that sometimes will make us
(21:40):
feel a little bit overwhelmed. And that's a common threat
in all of these stories. And so I hope that
people will see themselves in these stories, be encouraged and
see how God was working and helped each of these
people to overcome what was the testing in front of them.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Shannon, you mentioned the Supreme Court decisions that are coming
down soon. One of the biggest questions and this is
a huge mess in general. So maybe you have the
perfect solution here is and I think we've talked about
this with you before. The tariff decision had so many
different implications, but the biggest still is out there. It
is what happens with tariff for refunds? How does this
(22:17):
play out in your mind? Where does it go?
Speaker 8 (22:20):
Yeah, and listen during the fights over the tariffs in
the lower course. The administration represented to the course numerous
times that they would pay out the refunds to the
plaintiffs in those particular cases. So that was just a
small group of businesses. So I pressed, you know, Secretary Vessett,
Kevin Hassett, others on this, like what happens to everybody
else out there? And you've seen, I mean, there have
(22:42):
already been a lot of big filings, lawsuit filed with
different companies across the spectrum saying we want our money back. Well, now, CBP,
because this money comes in through border patrol. They say, listen,
we're getting together a streamlined way.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
To do this.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
It's going to take us about forty five days. I
think they build the court recently to kind of set
up the way that you go about getting your refunds.
But there are a lot of lawsuits from companies who
saying we're not waiting for that. We want the money
back and we want a guarantee from the court that
you're going to pay us.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
H How do you think this plays out, Shannon, Well.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
You know, the President himself was frustrated that the court
did not give a specific, you know, framework for paying
this money back instead, he you know, said, oh, we're
going to be kind of in litigation for a couple
of years. So that's my question. Is the administration going
to fight some of these refunds or will they do
as CBP has said said of this framework, because you know,
several businesses out there have spoken publicly and said, listen
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the forms that you fill out for these specific tareffs.
It's always very specific, so you can track we got
the receipts, as the kids say, to show exactly what
money you've paid out. And so it would seem with
that in mind, if CBP really sets up this framework
for getting it done, that that would expedite the process.
But I think that they are going to be those
who press for litigation to make sure that that now
(23:57):
has made good.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
When you look, Shannon at the Supreme Court decisions, the
one that you just referenced on the on the redistricting
in particular using race as a criteria, the jerrymandering of race,
I've seen some stories that that could flip twenty different districts,
particularly in the South. If that's tossed, my suspicion, I'm
(24:24):
curious if you would sign on is that the Court
is going to wait as late as possible release that ruling.
I think it's going to invalidate those districts, but I
think they want to do it late enough that it
doesn't impact the twenty twenty six mid terms. You buy
that or do you think there is a possibility that
they would interject themselves into that aspect of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Yeah, and that's such a great question, because that's what
we keep waiting for. Listen, if this thing comes in
the next couple of weeks, I do think. You know,
it's going to impact a number of states that can
make the changes before it's later, But if it comes
to the end of the June, it may preclude that process.
You're right, from getting too close to doing anything about
the elections that are going to come in the midterm.
You know, the Justices will tell us they want the
(25:10):
Court to be viewed as a political as possible. They
don't want to get involved in looking like they're putting
a weight on the scale in a partisan manner or
any other way. So I don't know where they're going
to do, where they're going to land with this, but
you know, the Chief Justice always tells us when the
opinions are ready, we don't hold them or time them
to meet any kind of specific political or other timeline.
We release them. So they haven't even given us a
(25:32):
date for the next release. But he says they don't
play games with it, that when it's ready, we get it.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Something I just.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Thought about is we're here talking about matters affecting the
High Court and matters before the High Court. Shannon, whatever
happened to finding out who leaked the Dobbs decision in
advance of the actual decision. Very few people would have
had access to that, and it feels like that just
went nowhere.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I love it.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
One of my favorite questions because remember this administration picked
that up. When the Court had the investigation, the Chief
Justice kept it in house, use the Marshall Service, use
their internal workings to get it done. We know some
people were pressed on taking light detector tests and those
kinds of things, but we all know if it was
a clerk, and that's an if we have no idea.
(26:20):
They have these one year terms and if it's an
internal Supreme Court investigation, when they leave at the end
of that clerking term, the court kind of loses its
reach over them. They can't take away their employment, they
can't do anything from that infrastructure. And there are a
lot of critics on the outside who said this should
this should have been farmed out, We should have brought
a DJA or some other federal investigative body.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
To do this.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Well, then you know, when Dan Mongino was part of
the administration, he talked a couple of times about this,
saying the dog's decision is still on our list of investigations,
like we're going to try to find out. So if
the court cooperates with them, that's one thing. But if
the court's not cooperating and turning over all the details
of what their internal investigation found, I'm not sure how
you kind of pick up the threats at this point.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
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Speaker 1 (27:05):
The book is Nothing Is Impossible with God, eleven Heroes
One God Endless Lessons in Overcoming Shannon Breem. Let me
hit you with this because I haven't heard this disgust
in earnest. But a big part of what might happen
in the Senate is who's going to control it? Right,
this could be the last year that President Trump has
(27:25):
control of the United States Senate. Have you heard any
discussions about the possibility of some of the older justices,
maybe a Justice Alito, for instance, deciding that this is
the time to step down because he knows that his
confirmation would be someone who shares many of his judicial philosophies.
(27:47):
Whereas if you wait until January, you could end up
in a situation where Ruth Vader Ginsburg found herself or
other justices have found themselves, where your health is at
the beckend call of a political universe. You don't control
what discussion, if any, is about the Supreme Court right now.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Oh guys, this is one of our favorite parlor games
in DC, especially in the Supreme Court Press corps like
it gives ulcers to all of us trying to figure
this out and figure out what they're going to do,
because you guys, know, these confirmation battles have gotten so
heated the last few rounds that when somebody decides to
step down, it triggers all kinds of pandemonium in DC.
(28:28):
Then you're right, you got to look to the midterms
and see does the Senate lose control, which would make
it really hard. It's already difficult because you're not even
guaranteed all the Republican votes. If you're a Republican voter
who wants to see President Trump to get another appointment,
they don't always stick together either, So you know, it's
a really heavy lift. But I've heard nothing. I mean,
Justice as Thomas and Ledo have both hired their clerks.
(28:49):
They have everything in place that you would think is
going to be in place for future terms. That's something
that they do pretty far in advance. So I haven't
heard any rumblings that anybody's actually thinking about it. We
like to speculate, but my educated guess is that Justice
Thomas is not going to leave the bench by choice.
He's having a good time. He fights every day. I
think when he shows up there every day, he does
(29:09):
it with such glee for his haters that I think
he's somebody who's going to stay as long as possible.
You know, we have no indication that Justice Alito is
even thinking about it, but I think he would step
down before Justice Thomas would, So I think June could
be very interesting months on that front.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, let me hit you with this because I like
to look at the markets, and there are markets right
now on whether a new Supreme Court justice would be
confirmed before twenty twenty seven and it's right at sixty percent. Yes,
So there are people making wagers that somebody Alito is
the favorite. As you just kind of ran through that,
(29:47):
you know he might be considering this. And again, you've
done this for a long time. If you wanted to
ensure who your replacement was going to be from a
judicial philosophy perspective, next year meaning this year might be
the last year where you have some certainty on that
for some time.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
To come right and listen.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
As much as the court wants to be a political
they're not blind. Listen. They get the political trends, they
get the political conversation, and you do have to think
about that. Remember when Justice Ginsburg was being pressed so
hard by the left to step down and it made
our dig in her heels. I mean, there were offeds
telling her she had to go, there were law professors
(30:30):
calling for her to go, and she was like, no, sir,
I will go on my own timeline and I'll go
when I'm getting ready. And then the left was so
furious with her obviously passing away. Well, she was still
holding that seats, and you know President Trump's obviously getting
to replace her. So it's a really sore point. But
a lot of people think on the right even listen,
you give deference to these men, who you know are
(30:51):
the more senior members and the conservative wing of the court.
They give in decades of their lives and we should
respect that. So I don't know, and I do think
that that both Thomas and Alito are justices too. If
you pressured them or started saying, hey, time to show
you the door, that would make them stick around. But
they're not dummies about the political calculation, so I got
(31:12):
to imagine that's that's part of their consideration, no doubt.
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Thank you, The feeling is mutual. I would love to
see you guys in person, so hopefully end up in
one of your studios again soon.
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Man, Thank you so much. It took a lot of doing,
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I keep saying it. The number one praise that I
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You'll appreciate the history. Stuff's really interesting.
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There's a lot of stuff that got cut out of
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I like my thing about the story of how Lemmings
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I wrote way too much about Pavlov and the Soviets
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We bring in now North Carolinian Michael Wattley. One of
the biggest battleground states of the midterm will be North Carolina,
and in particular and open Senate seat there. The primaries
are over, it is going to be Michael Wattley against
Roy Cooper.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You have seen and.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Helped to shepherd Trump to victories in North Carolina in
twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty four, and so
you know the state better than almost anyone. What does
it look like on the ground there? What needs to
happen in order for a victory to happen in this
seat to remain in Republican hands.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Chairman Wattley, Well, really, look what came out of the primaries,
and we have an unified Republican Party and we have
the narrative that we really were hoping to have in
this election cycle, because this is about contrast. This is
about the choice that North Carolinians had, and they're going
to vote for a conservative champion who's going to be
(02:16):
an ally for President Trump over Roy Cooper, who absolutely
is not going to be an ally with the President.
He's not going to support the President's agenda. He is
going to be a soft on crime senator just like
he was a soft on crime governor, and he is
going to always want higher taxes. He's going to want
boys and girls sports and men and women's locker rooms.
(02:38):
And he's going to always fight harder for criminals and
illegal aliens than he is for the people of North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
So my understanding is you are the recoveries are for
western North Carolina right after Hurricane Helen. That Trump has
talked about how you've been important in those efforts. How
is that going And what would you say at the
state efforts that you weren't in control of to try
to help out areas like Ashville and Boone.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Well, what we saw when Roy Cooper was the governor
was absolutely no activity whatsoever, either from Joe Biden or
from Roy Cooper. They both left the state totally in shambles.
What President Trump has done, what we've been able to do,
is bring eight point seventy five billion dollars plus in
recovery efforts to western North Carolina. Ninety nine percent of
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the roads have been rebuilt, the bridges have been rebuilt,
the water systems, the wastewater systems have been rebuilt. You know,
that is a very strong part of the state. It
is a resilient part of the state. The people there have,
you know, overcome advers adversity. But you know, we're not
ready to hang out a mission accomplished banner yet, but
(03:53):
we feel very good about where we are in terms
of the recovery. And this is the largest recovery effort
by the federal govern in North Carolina history for any hurricane.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
The governor, former governor of North Carolina you're running against,
Troy Cooper. I remember seeing a super viral video of
him asked a very basic question, should men be able
to compete in women's sports? And I know, as March
madness is going on, there's not a sports crazier state
hardly for basketball season than North Carolina right now. I
(04:27):
think it's something that really cuts through and connects with
a lot of North Carolinians in particular.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Has he answered that question?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I imagine that when you get on the debate stage
and as this campaign progresses, that's going to be something
that you really hammer him on.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Well, he did answer the question, because he vetoed three
different bills to keep woke out of schools, boys out
of girls' sports, and men's out of women's locker rooms.
He's exactly wrong on this issue set and it really does,
as you say, you know, touch the hearts and minds
of people all across North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
What is the difference between you and Roy Cooper? As
you see it when it comes to immigration enforcement. That's
obviously an area that matters a whole lot to the
whole country, and it matters a whole lot to your
home state of North Carolina. Where's Cooper on that issue?
Where has he been as governor? And where will you be?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, I'm going to support President Trump. I think that
when we talk about the highest most important function for
any government, it is protecting its citizens. That's true, whether
it's local, state, or federal. And what President Trump has
done in securing our border is not just keep out
you know, the millions of illegal immigrants that were flowing
into the country every single year, but is also brought
(05:43):
down drugs. He's brought down migrant prime sex trafficking, you know,
all of the all of the scourges that came along
with you know, ten to fifteen million illegal immigrants that
came across you know. Roy Cooper, on the other hand,
Vico two different bills that would fourth sheriff to omit
rice detainers and help get violent, criminal illegal aliens out
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of North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh I know that the answer is everywhere, every part
of the state. But you know the state of North
Carolina better than anybody. Buck just asked you about western
North Carolina, where I think you were born and raised,
still recovering from a lot of what happened with Hurricane Helene.
Where does a statewide race get decided in your mind?
(06:25):
Is it the suburbs outside of Charlotte? Is it in
turnout related issues? Again, I know that there are lots
of things to point to, but when you look at
this state, where is a close election decided in North Carolina?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Look, you nailed it on the head when you said
everywhere matters. We're expecting that this race is going to
be extraordinarily close. You know, when Tom Tillis won this
seat for the first time in twenty fourteen, he had
a fifty thousand vote margin, which was three tenths of
a point. When he won it for the second time,
it was a sixth tenth of a point margin, and
(07:01):
Ted Budd got a very comfortable fifty point five. So
we know that every place is going to matter. What
we need to do is to get out there and
talk to every Republican voter that supported President Trump. Who
has not voted in the off years. So we look
at people who voted in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and
twenty twenty four, but they didn't vote in twenty eighteen
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or twenty twenty two. We want to go to them
and have a conversation that says this, it really matters.
We need to dynamite them off the couch and we
need to get them to go vote. The other thing
that we need to do is, in a typical election
in North Carolina, forty six forty seven percent of the
people are going to vote for a Republican candidate, forty
six forty seven percent are going to vote for a
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Democratic candidate. And then we are going to have to
go have a conversation with that six to eight percent
that are your swing voters. And they're predominantly suburban, they're
predominantly college educated, and the thing that matters to them
is a conversation about crazy versus common sense. And they
supported President Trump in this last election cycle independent voters
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in North Carolina fifty four to forty five because he
was the common sense candidate. He was actually going out
there and talking about the issues that they cared about,
not the woke progressive issues that Kamala Harris was putting
on the table. Roy Cooper is right there in lockstep
with the Democratic Party when he's talking about open borders,
inflationary spending in a weak, woke America. What I'm fighting
(08:28):
for is President Trump's common sense agenda to rebuild our economy,
to make sure that our kids and our communities are safe,
and that the men and women in uniform based in
North Carolina have what they need to protect our interests
and allies around the world.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Speaking to Michael Wadley, he's running for that Senate seat
that's opened in this cycle in North Carolina. I know
you've strongly supported Michael. President Trump's tax cuts, which have
obviously boosted North Carolina's economy along with the rest of
the country. But there's major affordability concerns in your state,
just like there are in many states, particularly a lot
(09:04):
of states, people are moving to right. Housing prices are
going up because of that supply and demand reality. Roy
Cooper wants to expand medicaid. Roy Cooper wants to spend
more money, and that's not going to help.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
What would you like to do?
Speaker 5 (09:18):
What kind of pro growth policies would you prioritize in
the Senate so that working families can get some relief
and there can be some of the affordability issues addressed
that are so critical right now, especially to those independent
swing voters.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah. Look, tax policies, regulatory policies, and trade policies that
are going to help North Carolina manufacture small businesses and
particularly our farms. Right we need to create more jobs,
We need to make sure people are taking home bigger paychecks,
and of course we've got to get the cost download
and that is going to take a concerted effort. You know,
(09:55):
one of the things that's so important about President Trump
and the One Big Beautiful Bill that was passed by
by Congress last year is extending the Trump middle class
tax cuts, which ended up being the largest tax cut
in history, and making sure that no tax on tips,
no tax on overtime, no tax on social security. You know,
Roy Cooper, when he was a legislator, he voted for
(10:17):
multiple tax hikes. When he was the governor, he vetoed
six different tax cuts, and he made it very clear
that he would have voted against the One Big Beautiful Bill.
So he's always going to support tax increases. He's always
going to want, you know, to tax and spend your money, right,
I'm going to always fight to make sure that we're
going to bring those costs down. You know, you mentioned housing, right.
(10:38):
So just today we've got Secretary Scott Turner, Secretary of
Housing Urban Development, coming into Charlotte, North Carolina, and we're
going to have a roundtable where we're going to be
focusing on bringing down housing costs and making sure that
we have houses that are going to be available. It's
really hard for you to set up and live the
American dream when you can't get married and buy a
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house and raise a family. And so what we want
to do is have an honest conversation with the Secretary
along with you know, real estate developers and lenders and
construction folks, about what is it going to take for
us to be able to build more homes and bring
down those prices. We need to bring you know, interest
rates down, right. President Trump has been fighting on that
(11:21):
a lot. We need to have transparency in the housing markets,
and we need to make sure that the HUD loans
and other programs they have are specifically designed to get
more first time homeowners into place.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
How much is this race going to cost total do
you think And for people out there that might have
the resources to be able to help you, how can
they help you?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Well, this is going to be the most expensive Senate
race in the history of the country, and we're seeing,
you know, experts on both sides of the aisle or
saying that we're going to be somewhere north of six
hundred million dollars that are going to be spent on
this race, which is going to eclipse what we saw
in Ohio and Georgia Pennsylvania in the last couple of
election cycles. People want to support us, they can go
to Michael Wattley dot com. We are certainly going to
(12:07):
need help from all across the country, and we're going
to be in a position to win this race when
we have that support, because we are believers that good
policy is good politics, and we're going to be on
the right side of every one of these eighty twenty
issues and we're going to be fighting for President Trump's
common sense agenda.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I want to just come back to that number quickly,
because my jaw drop for people watching on video, you
think this race is going to cost six hundred million dollars?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, I think it's a it's a stunning indictment on
politics these days that this is what we're going to
be spending on there, you know, But we need to
make sure that we get our message out, you know,
and and President Trump did such a good job. What
we did on the campaign was make sure that we
were good stewards of every dollar that we were spending
it in a way that was going to maximize getting
(12:58):
our message out there. But it didn't work if we
didn't have a good message. And so when we talk
about rebuilding the economy, restoring the borders, and keeping our
kids and our communities safe, and making sure that our
military has what they need, you know, as as we're
watching what happens now in Iran, we need to make
sure that we're focusing on what are the issue sets
(13:20):
that the voters care about.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
He is Michael Wattley.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
He is hopefully going to be the next Senator from
the state of North Carolina. I'm sure we'll be talking
to you a lot. That six hundred million dollar battle
that is extraordinary, sir, Get your rest and be ready.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
We're ready to go. And really appreciate you and your listeners.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
That is Michael Wattley check them out and one of
the big open Senate seats maybe the biggest battle ground
Senate battle in the country.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
There hundred million. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
By the way, reports now that the New York Police
Department bomb squad has arrived at Gracie Mansion. Buck will
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Speaker 5 (15:13):
Welcome back in here to play and Buck and Uh.
We are getting into some of your talkbacks and calls. Also,
Shannon Breem, chief legal correspondent Fox News, is coming up
shortly with her book Nothing Is Impossible with God. We
are big Shannon Breem fans here, so we are happy
to talk to her about her book, but also some
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major Supreme Court cases that will have an effect on
the whole nation and all of that good stuff. Brian
from Play, do you know how to say this one?
In Massachusetts? Do you know how to say this one?
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WOOSTERA is yes, Worcester technically you're correct, but you gotta
lead in with Woosta usually how we say, Brian, put
the talk back in here.
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Speaker 6 (16:02):
Hey, Buck could you just give an explanation of why
if we've beaten the crap out of Iran and all
their military, why are we still dealing with blockages of
the Straits of hor moves and increase an oil price
and all that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Why is why is it not open? Yeah, it's a
good question.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Trump was addressing this just the last few days, telling
the ship captains the oil tankers, it's okay, go for it.
All right, Well, that's that's a little easier and said
than done. If you're the ship captain on a giant
floating sea of oil and you know that the Iranians
are saying, we may just decide to make an example
(16:38):
if somebody and cause an ecological disaster.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
You know, you don't want to.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Be the one that they happen to have one more
good missile lined up for, right, So there's there's just
a fear factor with these ships going in and out.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Right now, they're still sending drones and missiles out, so
you could be, to bucks point the one that gets hit,
which is why Trump is now providing escort. By the way,
I think the fear that this was going to happen
has collapsed. It drove up oil prices now, they're down
forty dollars from yesterday. By the way, Dan in New
(17:11):
York w r UP in New York City has a question.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
Hi, guys, Dan from New York here, maybe you could
explain to the audience why, if we are the biggest producer,
why we can't control the price.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Well, it's because oil is a globally traded commodity, so
it's priced by international supply and demand. So there's there's
a lot of how much oil is being pumped by
different places at different time. I mean, we have influence
on it obviously, Like it's not as we don't. We
don't lack influence, but there's additional supply or rather, you know,
(17:52):
additional capacity is a big thing, like the Saudis have
a lot of additional capacity to put out more.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
So it's not so clear as just it's global buck.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I would also add in there has to be a
price point where people can make money. So you can't
drive down the price of boiling gas to thirty dollars
a barrel because no one will pump, right, It's a
balancing act. We'll talk a little bit more about that.
It's a good question I think for people who may
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we are glad to be joined by our good friend
Shannon Bream.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I am I allowed to say it, I'm.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Gonna say it. I always ask and then I say
it anyway. Nearly a neighbor of mine, among other reasons
that I appreciate everything that she does. She has great
choices and where she has decided to live with her
awesome husband, Sheldon who often listens to the show.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Congratulations on the new book. Let me make sure that
I get that out there. For the title, it is
Nothing is Impossible with God, eleven Heroes, one God Endless
Lessons in Overcoming Shannon of course, chief legal correspondent at
Fox News, and we encourage all of you to go
buy her book, put her on the bestseller list, like
(19:42):
Buck was just on the bestseller list.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
For the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And Shannon, I'll get to the book in a sec,
but let me start with this. We're still expecting really
big Supreme Court decisions. When do we expect some of
these to come down? And what do you think has
the potential to be the most significant between now and
June when that term is over.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Welly, good to hear your voice. It's great to be
with you, guys, Thanks for having me. We probably will
get another round of opinions starting the week of March
twenty third. They're back in arguments or arguments then, so listen,
it's the Court's world. We're just living in it. They
could give these opinions any time we want, but that's
kind of my educated guest. You know, we're waiting on
one really big one out of Louisiana that has to
(20:25):
do with redistricting with the Voting Rights Act, and you
guys know, we're tracking these states all over the country
that are trying to do redistricting leading up to the midterms.
So if we get that decision on the earlier side,
meaning you know, March April, rather than the later which
would be the end of June, it really does have
the potential to impact a number of these states and
what they're doing, what's redrawing these streets. So excuse me,
(20:46):
the district. So I'm watching for that one. We've got
a couple that tests the limits of executive power, you know,
the President trying to dismiss a governor from the FED Board,
and some other interesting ones that we're just kind of
waiting on our nail biting standby.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I want to ask you about the book because I
just went through the whole book thing and still.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Going through and congrats, congrats, thank.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
You, thank you. I'm sure you're enjoying your copy very much.
Thank you for your kind words.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Tell me.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
What'd you write in this book and what if people
needed to know? I want to dive right into it.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
Well, listen, it's a group of stories from the Bible,
Old and New Testament to have this theme of overcoming,
because I mean, all of us get up against something
in life that you know, either it's unplanned and it's
you know, a terrible diagnosis or financial crisis, or something
really difficult in life. And maybe something exciting like you know,
starting a new business or having a baby or doing something.
But we all have things that sometimes will make us
(21:40):
feel a little bit overwhelmed. And that's a common threat
in all of these stories. And so I hope that
people will see themselves in these stories, be encouraged and
see how God was working and helped each of these
people to overcome what was the testing in front of them.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Shannon, you mentioned the Supreme Court decisions that are coming
down soon. One of the biggest questions and this is
a huge mess in general. So maybe you have the
perfect solution here is and I think we've talked about
this with you before. The tariff decision had so many
different implications, but the biggest still is out there. It
is what happens with tariff for refunds? How does this
(22:17):
play out in your mind? Where does it go?
Speaker 8 (22:20):
Yeah, and listen during the fights over the tariffs in
the lower course. The administration represented to the course numerous
times that they would pay out the refunds to the
plaintiffs in those particular cases. So that was just a
small group of businesses. So I pressed, you know, Secretary Vessett,
Kevin Hassett, others on this, like what happens to everybody
else out there? And you've seen, I mean, there have
(22:42):
already been a lot of big filings, lawsuit filed with
different companies across the spectrum saying we want our money back. Well, now, CBP,
because this money comes in through border patrol. They say, listen,
we're getting together a streamlined way.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
To do this.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
It's going to take us about forty five days. I
think they build the court recently to kind of set
up the way that you go about getting your refunds.
But there are a lot of lawsuits from companies who
saying we're not waiting for that. We want the money
back and we want a guarantee from the court that
you're going to pay us.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
H How do you think this plays out, Shannon, Well.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
You know, the President himself was frustrated that the court
did not give a specific, you know, framework for paying
this money back instead, he you know, said, oh, we're
going to be kind of in litigation for a couple
of years. So that's my question. Is the administration going
to fight some of these refunds or will they do
as CBP has said said of this framework, because you know,
several businesses out there have spoken publicly and said, listen
(23:36):
the forms that you fill out for these specific tareffs.
It's always very specific, so you can track we got
the receipts, as the kids say, to show exactly what
money you've paid out. And so it would seem with
that in mind, if CBP really sets up this framework
for getting it done, that that would expedite the process.
But I think that they are going to be those
who press for litigation to make sure that that now
(23:57):
has made good.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
When you look, Shannon at the Supreme Court decisions, the
one that you just referenced on the on the redistricting
in particular using race as a criteria, the jerrymandering of race,
I've seen some stories that that could flip twenty different districts,
particularly in the South. If that's tossed, my suspicion, I'm
(24:24):
curious if you would sign on is that the Court
is going to wait as late as possible release that ruling.
I think it's going to invalidate those districts, but I
think they want to do it late enough that it
doesn't impact the twenty twenty six mid terms. You buy
that or do you think there is a possibility that
they would interject themselves into that aspect of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Yeah, and that's such a great question, because that's what
we keep waiting for. Listen, if this thing comes in
the next couple of weeks, I do think. You know,
it's going to impact a number of states that can
make the changes before it's later, But if it comes
to the end of the June, it may preclude that process.
You're right, from getting too close to doing anything about
the elections that are going to come in the midterm.
You know, the Justices will tell us they want the
(25:10):
Court to be viewed as a political as possible. They
don't want to get involved in looking like they're putting
a weight on the scale in a partisan manner or
any other way. So I don't know where they're going
to do, where they're going to land with this, but
you know, the Chief Justice always tells us when the
opinions are ready, we don't hold them or time them
to meet any kind of specific political or other timeline.
We release them. So they haven't even given us a
(25:32):
date for the next release. But he says they don't
play games with it, that when it's ready, we get it.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Something I just.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Thought about is we're here talking about matters affecting the
High Court and matters before the High Court. Shannon, whatever
happened to finding out who leaked the Dobbs decision in
advance of the actual decision. Very few people would have
had access to that, and it feels like that just
went nowhere.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I love it.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
One of my favorite questions because remember this administration picked
that up. When the Court had the investigation, the Chief
Justice kept it in house, use the Marshall Service, use
their internal workings to get it done. We know some
people were pressed on taking light detector tests and those
kinds of things, but we all know if it was
a clerk, and that's an if we have no idea.
(26:20):
They have these one year terms and if it's an
internal Supreme Court investigation, when they leave at the end
of that clerking term, the court kind of loses its
reach over them. They can't take away their employment, they
can't do anything from that infrastructure. And there are a
lot of critics on the outside who said this should
this should have been farmed out, We should have brought
a DJA or some other federal investigative body.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
To do this.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Well, then you know, when Dan Mongino was part of
the administration, he talked a couple of times about this,
saying the dog's decision is still on our list of investigations,
like we're going to try to find out. So if
the court cooperates with them, that's one thing. But if
the court's not cooperating and turning over all the details
of what their internal investigation found, I'm not sure how
you kind of pick up the threats at this point.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
We want you to go buy her book.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
The book is Nothing Is Impossible with God, eleven Heroes
One God Endless Lessons in Overcoming Shannon Breem. Let me
hit you with this because I haven't heard this disgust
in earnest. But a big part of what might happen
in the Senate is who's going to control it? Right,
this could be the last year that President Trump has
(27:25):
control of the United States Senate. Have you heard any
discussions about the possibility of some of the older justices,
maybe a Justice Alito, for instance, deciding that this is
the time to step down because he knows that his
confirmation would be someone who shares many of his judicial philosophies.
(27:47):
Whereas if you wait until January, you could end up
in a situation where Ruth Vader Ginsburg found herself or
other justices have found themselves, where your health is at
the beckend call of a political universe. You don't control
what discussion, if any, is about the Supreme Court right now.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Oh guys, this is one of our favorite parlor games
in DC, especially in the Supreme Court Press corps like
it gives ulcers to all of us trying to figure
this out and figure out what they're going to do,
because you guys, know, these confirmation battles have gotten so
heated the last few rounds that when somebody decides to
step down, it triggers all kinds of pandemonium in DC.
(28:28):
Then you're right, you got to look to the midterms
and see does the Senate lose control, which would make
it really hard. It's already difficult because you're not even
guaranteed all the Republican votes. If you're a Republican voter
who wants to see President Trump to get another appointment,
they don't always stick together either, So you know, it's
a really heavy lift. But I've heard nothing. I mean,
Justice as Thomas and Ledo have both hired their clerks.
(28:49):
They have everything in place that you would think is
going to be in place for future terms. That's something
that they do pretty far in advance. So I haven't
heard any rumblings that anybody's actually thinking about it. We
like to speculate, but my educated guess is that Justice
Thomas is not going to leave the bench by choice.
He's having a good time. He fights every day. I
think when he shows up there every day, he does
(29:09):
it with such glee for his haters that I think
he's somebody who's going to stay as long as possible.
You know, we have no indication that Justice Alito is
even thinking about it, but I think he would step
down before Justice Thomas would, So I think June could
be very interesting months on that front.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, let me hit you with this because I like
to look at the markets, and there are markets right
now on whether a new Supreme Court justice would be
confirmed before twenty twenty seven and it's right at sixty percent. Yes,
So there are people making wagers that somebody Alito is
the favorite. As you just kind of ran through that,
(29:47):
you know he might be considering this. And again, you've
done this for a long time. If you wanted to
ensure who your replacement was going to be from a
judicial philosophy perspective, next year meaning this year might be
the last year where you have some certainty on that
for some time.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
To come right and listen.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
As much as the court wants to be a political
they're not blind. Listen. They get the political trends, they
get the political conversation, and you do have to think
about that. Remember when Justice Ginsburg was being pressed so
hard by the left to step down and it made
our dig in her heels. I mean, there were offeds
telling her she had to go, there were law professors
(30:30):
calling for her to go, and she was like, no, sir,
I will go on my own timeline and I'll go
when I'm getting ready. And then the left was so
furious with her obviously passing away. Well, she was still
holding that seats, and you know President Trump's obviously getting
to replace her. So it's a really sore point. But
a lot of people think on the right even listen,
you give deference to these men, who you know are
(30:51):
the more senior members and the conservative wing of the court.
They give in decades of their lives and we should
respect that. So I don't know, and I do think
that that both Thomas and Alito are justices too. If
you pressured them or started saying, hey, time to show
you the door, that would make them stick around. But
they're not dummies about the political calculation, so I got
(31:12):
to imagine that's that's part of their consideration, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
A new book is Nothing is impossible with God, eleven Heroes,
one God, Endless Lessons and Overcoming. Go get your copy.
Shannon play and Bucker Shannon fans, and we have so
many Shannon fans listening, so I think we're going to
sell a bunch of books today.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Let us know how it goes well.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
Thank you, The feeling is mutual. I would love to
see you guys in person, so hopefully end up in
one of your studios again soon.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
And again, congrats, Buck fantastic, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 9 (33:24):
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Speaker 5 (34:14):
Man, Thank you so much. It took a lot of doing,
so I really appreciate that manufacturing delusion friends that Clay.
I keep saying it. The number one praise that I
get from it is the wow, it's actually good, the
surprise you actually wrote a good book. Yes, it is
a good book. Please go get a copy of it.
You'll appreciate the history. Stuff's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
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Speaker 5 (34:36):
One thing, Frank, I think you'll appreciate that actually got
cut out.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
There's a lot of stuff that got cut out of
the book.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
I like my thing about the story of how Lemmings
don't actually commit mass suicide that got cut out.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
That's a total telltal. How much longer was the book
before the edits came through?
Speaker 5 (34:52):
There were something like I would say eighty pages of
cut cut cut, cut cut generally because it made the
narrative drag too long.
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Speaker 5 (35:02):
I wrote way too much about Pavlov and the Soviets
because I got so into it. I thought it was
so interesting. One thing though about Stalin Clay that I
thought was so fascinating was they understood whether they're building
the biggest cult of personality in human history essentially around him,
right totalitarian state. But that there always was also propaganda
that Stalin didn't want it. This is another thing I
didn't It's like, oh, oh, no, comrade Stalin hates all
(35:25):
this attention. He just wants to serve the peasants. He
just wants to serve the workers. Like no, actually he
was making people put the posters up or else he
shoot them in the head. But you know, you learn
these things from history, and it's fascinating stuff. So Frank,
I appreciate you man, Thank you. History professor likes the book. No,
that's awesome.
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