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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
President Trump said that the blockade of Iranian ships was
the greatest military maneuver of all time, and.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
He's a humble guy. He's a humble guy.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I would submit that it's nowhere near the greatest military
maneuver of all time. I appreciate President Trump's enthusiasm for
the blockade, and I tossed out that I thought Chancellorsville
Lee splitting his troops for those of you that are
military historians, and sending Stonewall Jackson on a flank march
(00:37):
to completely obliterate the right flank of Joseph Hooker's army
and nearly nearly obliterate the entirety of the Union army
in Chancellorsville, Buck, this was the final major battle before
Lee embarked on his invasion that led to the Battle
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of Gettysburg. For those of you that are military history
nerds like me, and.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I also think I gotta ask you something, buddy. Yeah,
I mean, I know you're from Tennessee, so you know
you're generally amazing tactician and all this stuff. Grant's Vicksburg campaign,
I got someone to reach out to me v emails
that I can't believe he would just skip over Grant's
textbook war changing victory at Vicksburg in eighteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, so this is again interesting Buck. July fourth, eighteen
sixty three, If I'm remembering correctly, Vicksburg surrendered to Grant,
which severed the Confederacy's ability to transit the Mississippi River
with men and materiel, thereby helping to further strangle the
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Confederacies with the blockade that was in place on the
eastern Seaboard and the Gulf to completely give control of
the Mississippi River to the United States. Huge win, brilliant
tactical victory to siege.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Oh wow, not getting a siege. The love here not
he Clay's a cavalry guy, you could tell here. He
likes the Alan, he likes the the display of the
cavalry coming in news.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Smart moves.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
But if I'm remembering correctly, Grant was going up against Pemberton.
Pemberton is a weak strategic opponent. I actually am more
impressed with Sherman and his attack on Atlanta, which took
far longer to put in place than and really won
(02:41):
Lincoln the eighteen sixty four election because if he hadn't
taken Atlanta, possibility that McLellan's crazy story. McLellan, who Lincoln
picked as his initial general, ran against him on the
on the eighteen sixty four campaign but ending the war, right, Yeah,
(03:02):
but think about how crazy you know, we always talked
about how there's read up on the eighteen sixty four
presidential campaign.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It's a great book on it. Think about how crazy
it is.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
That Lincoln's chosen initial head of the army ran against
him as a Democrat on the platform of I'm going
to end the war.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I also respect that Sherman on his way. I know
it was very rough. He was very rough, mister Sherman.
But he got outside of Savannah and they were like,
he's like, well, this is a really pretty town. I'm
gonna I'm gonna not take take this place to task.
Kind of left Savannah. There's a big monument to a
plaque to him in downtown Savannah that basically attested this
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where they were like, hey, hey, Savannah is a nice town.
Let's not get crazy. So also Jim burn it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Down, which which there was a thought that was going
to be completely destroyed because they started the Civil War
in Charleston by firing on Fort Sumner.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Okay, let's let's let's get it because we have all
these people that ye yeah, let's get to these talkbacks here.
You want to do for a list? Hear from a
Michael and Toledo, Ohio.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I would say that the greatest military action was when
they placed Patent in eastern England as a decoy for
the invasion of Europe. Units were not committed to Normandy
because they were still expecting the real invasion to be
Patent in Holland.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I'm gonna throw a flag on this.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
That's an intelligence that's a deception and intelligence victory, not
a like tactical, brilliant maneuver, which is what.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
We're really talking about. That's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Also, even if that were not the case, and I
agree with you, D Day happened like D Day is kind.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Of a big maneuver.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
That was I think you got to go D Day,
not not putting Patent as a decoy.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
That's a part of d koy.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
The decoy was more successful than D Day itself.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Come on, Michael, you can do better.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Chris in Nashville, Hey, Clay Stowell Jackson's flanking maneuver at
Chancellorsville was a brilliant tactician move.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
But if you want to talk about strategies and strategies
in Civil War, Vicksburg campaigned by Grant would be the
best one ever done in that era.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I got a few people reached out. Now you're putting
that in the siege category. This is almost like is
it an action movie or a war movie? Like you
start to split hairs a bit, and.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Some people are gonna say, well, they had to get
to the siege by the maneuvers that Grant made to
get to the siege.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, didn't you like he floated the gunboats at night
through and you know there was some there was some
serious skill that Grant displayed.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Taranted Witsburg Grant.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
To me, the most impressive move of Grant was actually
at Shiloh when he wasn't in charge. He may have
saved the entire Union Army when they were basically in
the mix midst of a dead panic. Grant at Shiloh,
I think is maybe his most impressive. It wasn't the
commander of the entire army, but that's when he started
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to get the attention of Lincoln to realize this.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Guy could be a difference maker. Eric Eric from New Jersey,
listening on w o R of NYC hit C. I claim, Buck,
this is Eric from New Jersey.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
The siege at Yorktown, because without.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
That then the United States never would have been born.
I'm gonna get a little trouble here. I'm gonna get
a little trouble here.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
I think.
Speaker 9 (06:28):
I think Yorktown. I think the French take the battle
on that one. I'm not I'm just gonna say it.
I think without all.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Two hundred and fiftieth year Buck Sexton gives credit to
France for the victory.
Speaker 9 (06:41):
So I think without did Gen Lafayette, I don't think
Yorktown happens the way we wanted to.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, I will have to sign off a little bit
here for Buck. It was the French fleet off the
coast of Yorktown that marooned corn Wallace and kept him
from being able to evacuum weight.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Without that French fleet, it does not a full stop
does not happen the way that it happened.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And we're talking about the greatest American maneuver, but Dunkirk,
because it's making me think about rescuing, And.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
To me, that's that's that's like saving your ass from
the fire. I don't know about that, Like that's just
that's a goal line.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Stand.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
You and I were the America were not involved in Dunkirk,
but that is maybe one of the most incredible saves
of Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
But you're forgetting think about what you think of how
dumb the The British had no no backup plan for this.
The entire almost lost their entire army and one fell swoop.
I mean that was not by the way. I mean,
that's the first time this had happened to them. It
was like a replay of World War One. They can't
figure this out. Think about how incredible. I think it's
a story that doesn't get told enough. They just got
on the basic radio and said, hey, if you have
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a fishing boat, you got to go save the British army.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You're talking about guys risking everything.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Just random guys in fishing boats went and got as
many soldiers as.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Let me tell you, if that if that call went
out in Miami, those troops would be like I've never
seen so many beautiful scan only clad women in my life.
I will be a bunch of babes on those boats.
But I would say people won't get on those boats.
There's risk they'll mutiny.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Uh yes.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
I think the greatest victory for the United States was
the Siege of Vicksburg.
Speaker 10 (08:23):
Ensured that the Union would win the Civil War, and
the rest is history.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Confederacy not getting not getting love here, Clay not getting
loved her.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
War message board where they were like, we're gonna flood
Clay and Buck. Vicksburg's not getting enough attention.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I got separately. People were just lighting me up. They're like,
how dare you let Clay not throw VI. I'm just
telling you people were all about Vicksburg.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
General Grant uh Russ in northern May by the way,
that was Dave and Idaho because I think I talked
over the first time Buck tried to give him credit.
This is Russ in northern Maine. Uh podcast e.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Hey, Clay, Buck, this is in northern Maine. The greatest
battlefield tactic ever was performed by Joshua Chamberlain and the
twentieth Maine during the Battle of Gettysburg when they were
defending the left flank on Little Round Top, ran out
of ammunition and performed in maneuver that Joshua Chamberlain would
later call the swinging Door, where they pivoted, swept down
the mountain, and kept the rebels from breaching the left flank,
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which had they filled, likely would have lost Gettysburg, which
likely would have lost the war.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Play the floor is yours? What do you making?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's a great I mean, for those of you who
have not seen the Battle of Gettysburg movie, if you
want to watch a movie Joshua Lawrence Chamberlaine played by
Jeff Daniels in a wide range from dumb and dumber
to the future governor of Maine leading a regiment in
the Civil War, phenomenal movie based on buck I told
(09:48):
people to read this Llar Angels great book, which also
takes you into this individual charge. It's a great one.
I guess when I'm thinking of military maneuvers, I'm thinking
when I gave the chance Slersville example, I said, bigger
than a regiment, bigger than a brigade, like an army
style movement.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
As this sort of.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Testing for this, my honest, the two that came to
mind for me. But I'm not as I'm not as
much of a Civil War guy as play as obviously
I tend to be the twentieth century focused on the
battles or sixteenth century Mediterranean.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But that's a whole other conversation. You skipped the four
hundred years in between.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, I just I just I pick them as I
pick them, you know, I'm like, I like this, like that.
But I would say MacArthur's landing at Incheon to effectively
recapture Soul nineteen fifty turn that war around. People forget
we were there was a real consideration of using nukes
against China then because the Chinese came across the Yalu River.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I know nothing about the Korean I know nothing about
that at all.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
It's a completely it's almost like a forgotten war, which
of course the echoes of it still haunt us today
because of the separate jury North and South Korea.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
But would have all been North Korea, would have all
been this Chinese.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Sort of you know, mutant regime fiefdom that they that
they have now of the of the Kim regime. But
the Landinggan in Shawn was an incredible maneuver to pull
off and change the whole trajectory that wore. The other
one would be, uh, what is it bastone the Battle
of the Bulge to turn that around.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I think we've got one of those here. Hit us
with that one. Pierre and I love these.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I'm curious how many of you are also history nerds
on different levels like Buck and I are different parts
of history. I love these talkbacks because a lot of
people in the audience are Pierre in New Berlin with
New Berlin, Wisconsin talking about just what Buck said with
Paton during World War two.
Speaker 11 (11:49):
G Yeah, a lot of people missed the Battle of
the Bulge where Patton did one hundred and eighty degree
turn to rescue the troops at Baths Stoone. But the
other part of that battle that was so cool was,
you know, we couldn't kill the German tanks. We couldn't
use our air power, so we just blew up all
the fuel and to conquered the fuel at Stablow fuel dumps. Basically,
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the Germans.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Walked home and left their tanks brilliant.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
That's the great response when they tried to get the
American was it Matt Anthony Wayne to surrender?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
And he said nuts.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
That was his official response when the Germans demanded surrender.
A great story there one more and then we'll go
to break and there's tons of these. We'll keep playing
them off and on. Podcast listener Alex in West Palm beachf.
Speaker 10 (12:39):
This is Alex in West Palm Beach. The greatest military
maneuver was the use of the Adam momb on Nagasaki, Japan.
It proved that we could do it again. Additionally, it
brought the Japanese to the surrender table. It caused the
Emperor of Japan to go on the radio and tell
all of his people to lay down your arms. It
was maximum effect for minimal effort.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
That's a very interesting take. But like damn Adam's rough Also, like.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I would say the Manhattan Project was maximum effort, maybe
not minimum effort. I mean, coming up with the atomic
bomb kind of a big undertaking. So the actual dropping
of it from the American perspective, I would say was
a product of a maximum effort, not a minimum one.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
But it was maximum casualties for minimum On our side,
you can certainly say that part of it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
See look at how much look at how much fun
this stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But by the way, you guys are all lighting up
our inboxes and stuff with this, we got to do
Like also favorite war book.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Day or something on the show.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
This is great, by the way, all these different all
these different discussions, and we've got tons more, but I
wanted to give some flavor for everybody who got into
the talk back.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
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Military maneuvers. VIP email from Jeff. Hey, guys, the Battle
of Midway change the one in the Pacific. Jeff, very true.
What we take Clay, Three Japanese carriers down, I think,
And but here's my thing about Midway.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
First of all, the movie kind of sucked, which is
a shame.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
It should have been good. It's not a good movie,
but how do you make a bad movie about it?
Such a critical battle with planes and battleships and you know,
carry or carriers at least. Anyway, we kind of got
lucky at midway, like we almost.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
If I'm to be fair.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Much of military history is not only the story of
sometimes brilliance, but often just the other side being totally.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Oh better lucky than good is a big is a
big part of it, you know, some of I think
it was Lake Trasumene where Hannibal managed to ambush Roman
legions in an annihilation that he only surpassed with Cannae,
which sixty thousand people with spears and swords and you know,
killed in one day. But the double envelopment. But at
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Trasumene there was a thick fog clay. Well, if you're
going to ambush people, having a thick fog by the
lake helps a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
What about Yeah, speaking of thick fog, what about Napoleon
setting the trap of all of the soldiers walking out
onto the frozen lake and not being aware that they
were walking onto a frozen lake. And so when the
bombardment started, they all just completely fell through the ice
and got utterly routed again. It was a trap that
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was an incredible trap to have set, but also kind
of a big failure on the other side to put
yourself in that position.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You're enjoying the Best of program with Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
We are joined by David Rutherford.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
He is host of the David Rutherford Show on the
Claymbuck podcast network, which is growing month after month after month,
and more of you find out about it, the more
of you are diehard listeners. He's also a former Navy
seal saw combat in Afghanistan. We call him Rutt by
the way, mister Rutt. Great to have you on, sir.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
It is a glorious day to be on with Clay
and Buck today. I gotta tell you big things are
happening for the veterans community right now.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yes, they are.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
In fact, Let's have the Big guy himself lay out
some of this and then I want to have you
react to it. We're talking here about a Trump executive
order everybody to help with veterans via psychedelic treatment for PTSD.
This is what Trump said when he was signing this
executive order and Dave will have you or Rutt, we'll
have you respond to this.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
This is cut. Six guys play it.
Speaker 12 (16:58):
In twenty twenty four from Stanford University, thirty Special Operation
veterans with traumatic brain injuries underwent It's called I Bogain treatment.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
I Bogaine. Remember the name? Is that pronounced relatively properly?
Speaker 13 (17:15):
What you said?
Speaker 8 (17:17):
I don't want to get it wrong. I Bogain because
it's so important and experienced.
Speaker 12 (17:21):
An eighty to ninety percent reduction and symptoms of depression
and anxiety within one month.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
Can I have some please?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I'll I'll think whatever.
Speaker 12 (17:38):
I don't have time to be depressed.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
You know, you stay busy enough. Maybe that works too.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
That's what I do, all right, rot I be again.
Talk to us about this? How big a deal is it?
What do you know about people that have used it?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Go for it?
Speaker 7 (17:53):
So the biggest thing that everybody has to understand is
that the epidemic of suicides within our Special Operations Commune
and our regular veteran community are off the charts. The
whole number of twenty two do to day, it's way
more than that. It's gotten progressively worse. Over time, we
saw a massive uptick in suicides addictions, both alcoholism and
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pharmaceutical addiction post COVID. Again, initially the numbers are through
the roof. And so there's been this great breakthrough treatment
down run by Marcus Capone and his team called the
Vets program, where guys were going down to Mexico. They
had discovered this, you know, some as far as you know,
eight nine, ten years ago, and what they would do
(18:34):
is they would take iba gain which is from an
alkaloid root over in the central West African area. They
turned this into a liquid or they smoke it and
then they have this anywhere from eight to twenty four
hour revelatory experience where basically they're doing is they're rerouting
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neuropathways by turning on aspects of their brain and essentially
just haven't been in use because of all the exposure
from long term training and deployments as well as the
impacts on that physiologically and through behavioral health stuff, which
ultimately a lot of us are calling the operators syndrome.
(19:17):
So they started going down and they had this revelatory experience.
You can find a great documentary on Netflix called Waves
of War, where three Navy seals go through the process,
including Marcus Compone, talks about his process and how it's
saved his life, it saved his marriage, it saved him
as a father, basically re routing and bringing back neuroplasticity
(19:42):
so he can have a better, more productive life as
a result of the impact that he experienced droughing exposure. So,
but it's been you know, a scheduled class Schedule one
drug along with all other psychedelics. That's psilocybin, that's LSD,
that's ayahuasca, all these drugs that were just completely demonized
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and as the countercultural revolution got started in the late
nineteen sixties, that's Timothy Leary. That's all these guys back
in the day. They shut it down, they ended it,
and well, well we've gone down to discover this is
having revolutionary positive impacts on people. I mean, I have
twenty five friends that have gone down to Mexico in
this specific treatment, doing the ibagame one day day off
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and then doing five emo et DMT which you get
off the back of a toad, and having these experiences
and they're able to come back and almost like the
numbers are like this one Stanford.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
Study that the President quoted.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
PSD symptoms down eighty eight percent within one month, seventy
one percent no longer meet PSD requirement, depression down eighty
eighty seven percent, anxiety down eighty one percent. Now you
need to recognize it's not a miracle drug. It's not
permanent in total all the time. But what it does
is interrupts these opioid receptors, interrupts THEEDS addiction receptors, and
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regenerates a new neuropathway to constitute more natural, healthy.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Murder.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
Again, I can never say it dopennergic.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Receptors to have that kind of steadier baseline so the
veteran can begin to reintegrate in their lives and have
a more functional way to approach life itself.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
David Rutherford with us.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You can find all of his work as a part
of the Clay and Buck podcast network.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We got a lot of great talent in there. Many
of you are really enjoying the podcast. What is the
danger here?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Because you know, sometimes when it comes to experimental drugs,
you look at them and you say, okay, worst case scenario,
you've got someone who's on the pathway, let's say to death,
and you say well, we can take a risk here
to see whether this might work, because there isn't necessarily
a lot of life left on the other side. Most
of these guys, I would imagine, tend to be young.
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Now within that con drug. What is it, twenty one
former veterans a day commit suicide. It's an extraordinary, unbelievable,
awful story. Is it worth the risk, I guess, given
what we've got here, or what is the downside?
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Yeah, this is not your recreational I'm going to follow
the grateful dead and you know, take a hit acid
and you know, trip off the side. In my you know,
kind of guru type mentality, it's not that at all
I've gained as an experience. Most people who go through
it will never want to do again. It's it's really powerful,
it's really intense. There can be vomiting, there can be confusion,
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there can be a little bit of anxiety. But all
of this is monitored, right and the you know, that's
what's critical to understand. There's doctors there, there's active nurses.
One of the only real significant health risk is for
a cardiac event. What happens is your QRS complex has
a little bit of a disruption because of the medicine itself.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
But what they do is they put guys.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
On a magnesium during it and it removes the potentiality
of that. But otherwise, psychedelics are not addictive, right, They
don't cause any stroke, they don't cause any of these
other prompts. Now they're you know, obviously, we have a
tremendous amount of research, and that's what this executive order
as well as what was passed in Texas and their
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legislation to fund fifty million dollars from the state of
Texas for ibagain and other psychedelic research.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
And that's what it is.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
It's there's still this monster challenge in front of us
because you still have big pharma that essentially wants to
control the entire drug space out there, in particular for
mental health drugs. So there's gonna be a lot of
hurdles to overcome. What this does is it gives us
a little breaching charge. It pushes in this monster bureaucracy
(23:50):
and allows us to begin to do the research which
we need. And so I just interviewed a guy named
Tom Asido, a sixteen year Navy seal combat veteran. Incredibly
unbelievable story of what he went through when he got
out as well too horrible divorce. He lost his trident
because he was trying to self medicate with marijuana and
(24:11):
the Naval Special Warfare community kicked him out instead of going, Wow,
the handful of psychotropic pills we given are making them worse, right,
and then he you know all these problems, Well he
went down seven years ago, did I begain? Saved his
life and now is leading the charge in Tennessee. And
what he describes for an hour on the show, and
that show will drop a week from today on Monday.
(24:35):
On the David Rutherford Show. You can hear the specifics
of the neurological benefits, the medical benefits, the emotional benefits
to it. And then what he talks about is the
step by step process how this is going to begin
to really impact the greater population because a lot of
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times what they're saying now, Clay is it's just as
in appropriate for Navy seals or Green berets or any
of that, but we can apply it for firefighters, police officers,
first responders, and to the groader context, people that are
suffering from really substantial childhood trauma that they experience or
post traumatic stress disorder.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So there's others as well, right right, Rutt.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Like they're talking about psychedelics, I begain is one of them.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That's the one I've heard about the most.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
You and I've talked about this a little bit before
in the context of operator syndrome and what some of
these guys are trying to do, trying to go through
for modalities to address this. There's also and this one
I had heard about before, the five neo DMT from
It's a venom or secretion of the Sonoran desert toad.
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This is another intense psychedelic that has been used in
this ketamine MDMA psilocybin, also known as magic mushrooms. I
mean there are other subst because I began is the
big one that people have really been having incredible, but
there are others that would be covered on this executive order.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
As I understand it.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
One hundred percent, like you talked about five emo DMT,
your brain naturally produces a form of this substance through
your pineal gland and so, and that one is not
eight to twenty four hours. That's like a twenty minute experience.
They actually call that the God particle and has really
positive impacts on well being and just how you identified
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the self.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
But psilocybudin has been being studied at Johns Hopkins for
years now. There's a huge funding research going on there.
One of the most prolific studies that's often cited with
just psilocytemine itself, it was given to geriatric pacer suvering
with terminal cancer in their final stages of cancer. And
what you had is you had an eighty percent reduction
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and anxiety or depression that was relative to the finality
of their disease. And so it gave these people this
sense of relief of what was in the impending nature
of the upcoming demise, right. And so yeah, the spectrum
of psychedelics is very wide, very broad spectrum, and I
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think it's really could have a prolific experience, especially for
a nation that has as much mental health challenges as
we have in America.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
What does it say about President Trump that this was
able to come about so quickly. Joe Rogan was there
and said, hey, I texted Trump about the need for this,
and almost instantaneously Trump said, Okay, let's find out a
way to.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Get this done.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Obviously there's regular government speed, and then there's Trump speed.
This seems to be a pretty good example of Trump
accelerating the government's ability to give veterans the opportunity to
try this treatment.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
I think for us, obviously, you know, operator syndrome is
not gaining traction within the VA.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
They don't want to identify it.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
They want to stay fixated on big, large scale movements
like you know, burn pit expos or post traumatic stress
disorder itself. And so they and they're really have a
very strong control of Big Farmer because they kind of
regulate the massive amount of sales they have directly through
the VA. So when Trump comes out and does this,
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and if you looked at who was standing behind him,
it was Marcus latrelle Man. I had a huge show
before with Marcus. You know, I put him through training.
His brother Morgan's there, he was a congressman in Texas.
You had Rob O'Neil there who shot Bin Laden, who
I went through Hell week with. You've got Marcus Capone
and his wife who started the program, I mean you,
and now you have all these other veterans. So when
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this could be from our perspective as veterans who are struggling.
The greatest thing that we've seen President Trump or any
president for that matter, truly taking a focus on what
it means to take care of the mental and medical
health of a generation that you asked to go to
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war for twenty two straight years.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
When's the next David Rutherford show gonna drop? I'm sure
you're gonna be talking about this in detail. You're gonna
have anyone else from a special warfare community joining you.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
What can people expect this week?
Speaker 7 (29:10):
This week, I'm I'm addressing a real difficult topic with
veterans and what's going on in the Iran War. I
flew out to Idaho a few weekends ago, and I'm
gonna guy bring on a green bereat named Clay Martin
in an a ten pilot named Dale Stark, and we're
really going to go through what service meant to us,
whether we would change it, whether we would tell our kids,
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or what Because all of us are receiving dms about
should I join, should I not join? And so we
really explore the magnitude of what it means to service
and guess what this is a part of that service?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Right?
Speaker 8 (29:44):
You go in, you go into special.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Operations, or you go into high high vigilist state of
vigilance for ten plus twenty years as a a ten
pilot or whatever, you're gonna have to deal with the
ramifications of that exposure. And so one of the things
before is, you know, unfortunately we would say, you know,
your government is going to ask you to go to
war extensively over and over, but then they're gonna turn
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their backs and not take care of you with this
massive epidemic of suicides. But now you know, this is
going to change the topic. And so, like I said,
I just interviewed a guy named Tommy Acido.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
We're going to drop that.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
Show a week from today Monday, and that'll be a
comprehensive one hour show about this very topic of I
begaining DMT and what it means for our community.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
David Rutherford, thank you, my friend. Great to have you
with us today and of course as a part of
the podcast network where you are crushing and appreciate you sir.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Who Yeah, God bless you guys, keep rousing.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You are listening to the best of Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We got some
talkbacks reacting to one of the talking points, and I
think you guys will enjoy this.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
We'll have some fun with it.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
First of all, Mary in San Antonio, as Buck is
having to deal with the fact that Kamala is not
going to, you know, slide off the planet as quickly
as he might have hoped from a political perspective. Here
is Mary in San Antonio, also like me, looking forward
to the fun.
Speaker 14 (31:16):
The only reason I would want Kamala to run is
so that we could be entertained during the debates. I
would just love to see how much how well Marco
Rubio would do up against her or jd Vance, either one.
I'm a fan of Marco. My son's named Marco, but
that would be very entertaining. There'd be no way that
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she could compete against him.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Keith in Phoenix News Talk five fifty k FYI has
this to say, buck Listen carefully.
Speaker 13 (31:46):
Buck, Look, buddy, you need to take a chip from
Jesse Kelly and start making bets with Clay on Red
lobster dinners, because here just lose some too much money
on these steaks. Remember Red Lobster from now on.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Okay, First of all, we have a red Lobster Upstate
update for all of you, which is coming up here
in a second. Second of all, we're.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Two and one. What are you talking about? We have
had a total and I haven't even lost the third
one yet.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
It's we're wait, it's so into secularly, We're one for
one and I'm probably gonna lose the Kamala one.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
What do you get?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
This is just classic Clay. Clay sells it so well.
It was like, oh, the steak, the steak, the steak,
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
President Trump said that the blockade of Iranian ships was
the greatest military maneuver of all time, and.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
He's a humble guy. He's a humble guy.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I would submit that it's nowhere near the greatest military
maneuver of all time. I appreciate President Trump's enthusiasm for
the blockade, and I tossed out that I thought Chancellorsville
Lee splitting his troops for those of you that are
military historians, and sending Stonewall Jackson on a flank march
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to completely obliterate the right flank of Joseph Hooker's army
and nearly nearly obliterate the entirety of the Union army
in Chancellorsville, Buck, this was the final major battle before
Lee embarked on his invasion that led to the Battle
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of Gettysburg. For those of you that are military history
nerds like me, and.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I also think I gotta ask you something, buddy. Yeah,
I mean, I know you're from Tennessee, so you know
you're generally amazing tactician and all this stuff. Grant's Vicksburg campaign,
I got someone to reach out to me v emails
that I can't believe he would just skip over Grant's
textbook war changing victory at Vicksburg in eighteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, so this is again interesting Buck. July fourth, eighteen
sixty three, If I'm remembering correctly, Vicksburg surrendered to Grant,
which severed the Confederacy's ability to transit the Mississippi River
with men and materiel, thereby helping to further strangle the
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Confederacies with the blockade that was in place on the
eastern Seaboard and the Gulf to completely give control of
the Mississippi River to the United States. Huge win, brilliant
tactical victory to siege.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Oh wow, not getting a siege. The love here not
he Clay's a cavalry guy, you could tell here. He
likes the Alan, he likes the the display of the
cavalry coming in news.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Smart moves.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
But if I'm remembering correctly, Grant was going up against Pemberton.
Pemberton is a weak strategic opponent. I actually am more
impressed with Sherman and his attack on Atlanta, which took
far longer to put in place than and really won
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Lincoln the eighteen sixty four election because if he hadn't
taken Atlanta, possibility that McLellan's crazy story. McLellan, who Lincoln
picked as his initial general, ran against him on the
on the eighteen sixty four campaign but ending the war, right, Yeah,
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but think about how crazy you know, we always talked
about how there's read up on the eighteen sixty four
presidential campaign.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It's a great book on it. Think about how crazy
it is.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
That Lincoln's chosen initial head of the army ran against
him as a Democrat on the platform of I'm going
to end the war.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I also respect that Sherman on his way. I know
it was very rough. He was very rough, mister Sherman.
But he got outside of Savannah and they were like,
he's like, well, this is a really pretty town. I'm
gonna I'm gonna not take take this place to task.
Kind of left Savannah. There's a big monument to a
plaque to him in downtown Savannah that basically attested this
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where they were like, hey, hey, Savannah is a nice town.
Let's not get crazy. So also Jim burn it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Down, which which there was a thought that was going
to be completely destroyed because they started the Civil War
in Charleston by firing on Fort Sumner.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Okay, let's let's let's get it because we have all
these people that ye yeah, let's get to these talkbacks here.
You want to do for a list? Hear from a
Michael and Toledo, Ohio.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I would say that the greatest military action was when
they placed Patent in eastern England as a decoy for
the invasion of Europe. Units were not committed to Normandy
because they were still expecting the real invasion to be
Patent in Holland.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I'm gonna throw a flag on this.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
That's an intelligence that's a deception and intelligence victory, not
a like tactical, brilliant maneuver, which is what.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
We're really talking about. That's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Also, even if that were not the case, and I
agree with you, D Day happened like D Day is kind.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Of a big maneuver.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
That was I think you got to go D Day,
not not putting Patent as a decoy.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
That's a part of d koy.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
The decoy was more successful than D Day itself.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Come on, Michael, you can do better.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Chris in Nashville, Hey, Clay Stowell Jackson's flanking maneuver at
Chancellorsville was a brilliant tactician move.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
But if you want to talk about strategies and strategies
in Civil War, Vicksburg campaigned by Grant would be the
best one ever done in that era.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I got a few people reached out. Now you're putting
that in the siege category. This is almost like is
it an action movie or a war movie? Like you
start to split hairs a bit, and.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Some people are gonna say, well, they had to get
to the siege by the maneuvers that Grant made to
get to the siege.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, didn't you like he floated the gunboats at night
through and you know there was some there was some
serious skill that Grant displayed.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Taranted Witsburg Grant.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
To me, the most impressive move of Grant was actually
at Shiloh when he wasn't in charge. He may have
saved the entire Union Army when they were basically in
the mix midst of a dead panic. Grant at Shiloh,
I think is maybe his most impressive. It wasn't the
commander of the entire army, but that's when he started
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to get the attention of Lincoln to realize this.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Guy could be a difference maker. Eric Eric from New Jersey,
listening on w o R of NYC hit C. I claim, Buck,
this is Eric from New Jersey.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
The siege at Yorktown, because without.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
That then the United States never would have been born.
I'm gonna get a little trouble here. I'm gonna get
a little trouble here.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
I think.
Speaker 9 (06:28):
I think Yorktown. I think the French take the battle
on that one. I'm not I'm just gonna say it.
I think without all.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Two hundred and fiftieth year Buck Sexton gives credit to
France for the victory.
Speaker 9 (06:41):
So I think without did Gen Lafayette, I don't think
Yorktown happens the way we wanted to.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, I will have to sign off a little bit
here for Buck. It was the French fleet off the
coast of Yorktown that marooned corn Wallace and kept him
from being able to evacuum weight.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Without that French fleet, it does not a full stop
does not happen the way that it happened.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And we're talking about the greatest American maneuver, but Dunkirk,
because it's making me think about rescuing, And.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
To me, that's that's that's like saving your ass from
the fire. I don't know about that, Like that's just
that's a goal line.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Stand.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
You and I were the America were not involved in Dunkirk,
but that is maybe one of the most incredible saves
of Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
But you're forgetting think about what you think of how
dumb the The British had no no backup plan for this.
The entire almost lost their entire army and one fell swoop.
I mean that was not by the way. I mean,
that's the first time this had happened to them. It
was like a replay of World War One. They can't
figure this out. Think about how incredible. I think it's
a story that doesn't get told enough. They just got
on the basic radio and said, hey, if you have
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a fishing boat, you got to go save the British army.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You're talking about guys risking everything.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Just random guys in fishing boats went and got as
many soldiers as.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Let me tell you, if that if that call went
out in Miami, those troops would be like I've never
seen so many beautiful scan only clad women in my life.
I will be a bunch of babes on those boats.
But I would say people won't get on those boats.
There's risk they'll mutiny.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Uh yes.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
I think the greatest victory for the United States was
the Siege of Vicksburg.
Speaker 10 (08:23):
Ensured that the Union would win the Civil War, and
the rest is history.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Confederacy not getting not getting love here, Clay not getting
loved her.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
War message board where they were like, we're gonna flood
Clay and Buck. Vicksburg's not getting enough attention.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I got separately. People were just lighting me up. They're like,
how dare you let Clay not throw VI. I'm just
telling you people were all about Vicksburg.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
General Grant uh Russ in northern May by the way,
that was Dave and Idaho because I think I talked
over the first time Buck tried to give him credit.
This is Russ in northern Maine. Uh podcast e.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Hey, Clay, Buck, this is in northern Maine. The greatest
battlefield tactic ever was performed by Joshua Chamberlain and the
twentieth Maine during the Battle of Gettysburg when they were
defending the left flank on Little Round Top, ran out
of ammunition and performed in maneuver that Joshua Chamberlain would
later call the swinging Door, where they pivoted, swept down
the mountain, and kept the rebels from breaching the left flank,
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which had they filled, likely would have lost Gettysburg, which
likely would have lost the war.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Play the floor is yours? What do you making?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's a great I mean, for those of you who
have not seen the Battle of Gettysburg movie, if you
want to watch a movie Joshua Lawrence Chamberlaine played by
Jeff Daniels in a wide range from dumb and dumber
to the future governor of Maine leading a regiment in
the Civil War, phenomenal movie based on buck I told
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people to read this Llar Angels great book, which also
takes you into this individual charge. It's a great one.
I guess when I'm thinking of military maneuvers, I'm thinking
when I gave the chance Slersville example, I said, bigger
than a regiment, bigger than a brigade, like an army
style movement.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
As this sort of.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Testing for this, my honest, the two that came to
mind for me. But I'm not as I'm not as
much of a Civil War guy as play as obviously
I tend to be the twentieth century focused on the
battles or sixteenth century Mediterranean.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But that's a whole other conversation. You skipped the four
hundred years in between.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, I just I just I pick them as I
pick them, you know, I'm like, I like this, like that.
But I would say MacArthur's landing at Incheon to effectively
recapture Soul nineteen fifty turn that war around. People forget
we were there was a real consideration of using nukes
against China then because the Chinese came across the Yalu River.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I know nothing about the Korean I know nothing about
that at all.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
It's a completely it's almost like a forgotten war, which
of course the echoes of it still haunt us today
because of the separate jury North and South Korea.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
But would have all been North Korea, would have all
been this Chinese.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Sort of you know, mutant regime fiefdom that they that
they have now of the of the Kim regime. But
the Landinggan in Shawn was an incredible maneuver to pull
off and change the whole trajectory that wore. The other
one would be, uh, what is it bastone the Battle
of the Bulge to turn that around.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I think we've got one of those here. Hit us
with that one. Pierre and I love these.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I'm curious how many of you are also history nerds
on different levels like Buck and I are different parts
of history. I love these talkbacks because a lot of
people in the audience are Pierre in New Berlin with
New Berlin, Wisconsin talking about just what Buck said with
Paton during World War two.
Speaker 11 (11:49):
G Yeah, a lot of people missed the Battle of
the Bulge where Patton did one hundred and eighty degree
turn to rescue the troops at Baths Stoone. But the
other part of that battle that was so cool was,
you know, we couldn't kill the German tanks. We couldn't
use our air power, so we just blew up all
the fuel and to conquered the fuel at Stablow fuel dumps. Basically,
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the Germans.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Walked home and left their tanks brilliant.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
That's the great response when they tried to get the
American was it Matt Anthony Wayne to surrender?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
And he said nuts.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
That was his official response when the Germans demanded surrender.
A great story there one more and then we'll go
to break and there's tons of these. We'll keep playing
them off and on. Podcast listener Alex in West Palm beachf.
Speaker 10 (12:39):
This is Alex in West Palm Beach. The greatest military
maneuver was the use of the Adam momb on Nagasaki, Japan.
It proved that we could do it again. Additionally, it
brought the Japanese to the surrender table. It caused the
Emperor of Japan to go on the radio and tell
all of his people to lay down your arms. It
was maximum effect for minimal effort.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
That's a very interesting take. But like damn Adam's rough Also, like.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I would say the Manhattan Project was maximum effort, maybe
not minimum effort. I mean, coming up with the atomic
bomb kind of a big undertaking. So the actual dropping
of it from the American perspective, I would say was
a product of a maximum effort, not a minimum one.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
But it was maximum casualties for minimum On our side,
you can certainly say that part of it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
See look at how much look at how much fun
this stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But by the way, you guys are all lighting up
our inboxes and stuff with this, we got to do
Like also favorite war book.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Day or something on the show.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
This is great, by the way, all these different all
these different discussions, and we've got tons more, but I
wanted to give some flavor for everybody who got into
the talk back.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
You're listening to the best of Clay, Trappis and Bock
Sexton Coop.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
You enjoyed our conversation there about all things military. If
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Military maneuvers. VIP email from Jeff. Hey, guys, the Battle
of Midway change the one in the Pacific. Jeff, very true.
What we take Clay, Three Japanese carriers down, I think,
And but here's my thing about Midway.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
First of all, the movie kind of sucked, which is
a shame.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
It should have been good. It's not a good movie,
but how do you make a bad movie about it?
Such a critical battle with planes and battleships and you know,
carry or carriers at least. Anyway, we kind of got
lucky at midway, like we almost.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
If I'm to be fair.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Much of military history is not only the story of
sometimes brilliance, but often just the other side being totally.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Oh better lucky than good is a big is a
big part of it, you know, some of I think
it was Lake Trasumene where Hannibal managed to ambush Roman
legions in an annihilation that he only surpassed with Cannae,
which sixty thousand people with spears and swords and you know,
killed in one day. But the double envelopment. But at
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Trasumene there was a thick fog clay. Well, if you're
going to ambush people, having a thick fog by the
lake helps a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
What about Yeah, speaking of thick fog, what about Napoleon
setting the trap of all of the soldiers walking out
onto the frozen lake and not being aware that they
were walking onto a frozen lake. And so when the
bombardment started, they all just completely fell through the ice
and got utterly routed again. It was a trap that
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was an incredible trap to have set, but also kind
of a big failure on the other side to put
yourself in that position.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You're enjoying the Best of program with Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
We are joined by David Rutherford.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
He is host of the David Rutherford Show on the
Claymbuck podcast network, which is growing month after month after month,
and more of you find out about it, the more
of you are diehard listeners. He's also a former Navy
seal saw combat in Afghanistan. We call him Rutt by
the way, mister Rutt. Great to have you on, sir.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
It is a glorious day to be on with Clay
and Buck today. I gotta tell you big things are
happening for the veterans community right now.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yes, they are.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
In fact, Let's have the Big guy himself lay out
some of this and then I want to have you
react to it. We're talking here about a Trump executive
order everybody to help with veterans via psychedelic treatment for PTSD.
This is what Trump said when he was signing this
executive order and Dave will have you or Rutt, we'll
have you respond to this.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
This is cut. Six guys play it.
Speaker 12 (16:58):
In twenty twenty four from Stanford University, thirty Special Operation
veterans with traumatic brain injuries underwent It's called I Bogain treatment.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
I Bogaine. Remember the name? Is that pronounced relatively properly?
Speaker 13 (17:15):
What you said?
Speaker 8 (17:17):
I don't want to get it wrong. I Bogain because
it's so important and experienced.
Speaker 12 (17:21):
An eighty to ninety percent reduction and symptoms of depression
and anxiety within one month.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
Can I have some please?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I'll I'll think whatever.
Speaker 12 (17:38):
I don't have time to be depressed.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
You know, you stay busy enough. Maybe that works too.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
That's what I do, all right, rot I be again.
Talk to us about this? How big a deal is it?
What do you know about people that have used it?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Go for it?
Speaker 7 (17:53):
So the biggest thing that everybody has to understand is
that the epidemic of suicides within our Special Operations Commune
and our regular veteran community are off the charts. The
whole number of twenty two do to day, it's way
more than that. It's gotten progressively worse. Over time, we
saw a massive uptick in suicides addictions, both alcoholism and
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pharmaceutical addiction post COVID. Again, initially the numbers are through
the roof. And so there's been this great breakthrough treatment
down run by Marcus Capone and his team called the
Vets program, where guys were going down to Mexico. They
had discovered this, you know, some as far as you know,
eight nine, ten years ago, and what they would do
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is they would take iba gain which is from an
alkaloid root over in the central West African area. They
turned this into a liquid or they smoke it and
then they have this anywhere from eight to twenty four
hour revelatory experience where basically they're doing is they're rerouting
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neuropathways by turning on aspects of their brain and essentially
just haven't been in use because of all the exposure
from long term training and deployments as well as the
impacts on that physiologically and through behavioral health stuff, which
ultimately a lot of us are calling the operators syndrome.
(19:17):
So they started going down and they had this revelatory experience.
You can find a great documentary on Netflix called Waves
of War, where three Navy seals go through the process,
including Marcus Compone, talks about his process and how it's
saved his life, it saved his marriage, it saved him
as a father, basically re routing and bringing back neuroplasticity
(19:42):
so he can have a better, more productive life as
a result of the impact that he experienced droughing exposure. So,
but it's been you know, a scheduled class Schedule one
drug along with all other psychedelics. That's psilocybin, that's LSD,
that's ayahuasca, all these drugs that were just completely demonized
(20:04):
and as the countercultural revolution got started in the late
nineteen sixties, that's Timothy Leary. That's all these guys back
in the day. They shut it down, they ended it,
and well, well we've gone down to discover this is
having revolutionary positive impacts on people. I mean, I have
twenty five friends that have gone down to Mexico in
this specific treatment, doing the ibagame one day day off
(20:27):
and then doing five emo et DMT which you get
off the back of a toad, and having these experiences
and they're able to come back and almost like the
numbers are like this one Stanford.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
Study that the President quoted.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
PSD symptoms down eighty eight percent within one month, seventy
one percent no longer meet PSD requirement, depression down eighty
eighty seven percent, anxiety down eighty one percent. Now you
need to recognize it's not a miracle drug. It's not
permanent in total all the time. But what it does
is interrupts these opioid receptors, interrupts THEEDS addiction receptors, and
(21:01):
regenerates a new neuropathway to constitute more natural, healthy.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Murder.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
Again, I can never say it dopennergic.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Receptors to have that kind of steadier baseline so the
veteran can begin to reintegrate in their lives and have
a more functional way to approach life itself.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
David Rutherford with us.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You can find all of his work as a part
of the Clay and Buck podcast network.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We got a lot of great talent in there. Many
of you are really enjoying the podcast. What is the
danger here?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Because you know, sometimes when it comes to experimental drugs,
you look at them and you say, okay, worst case scenario,
you've got someone who's on the pathway, let's say to death,
and you say well, we can take a risk here
to see whether this might work, because there isn't necessarily
a lot of life left on the other side. Most
of these guys, I would imagine, tend to be young.
(21:58):
Now within that con drug. What is it, twenty one
former veterans a day commit suicide. It's an extraordinary, unbelievable,
awful story. Is it worth the risk, I guess, given
what we've got here, or what is the downside?
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Yeah, this is not your recreational I'm going to follow
the grateful dead and you know, take a hit acid
and you know, trip off the side. In my you know,
kind of guru type mentality, it's not that at all
I've gained as an experience. Most people who go through
it will never want to do again. It's it's really powerful,
it's really intense. There can be vomiting, there can be confusion,
(22:36):
there can be a little bit of anxiety. But all
of this is monitored, right and the you know, that's
what's critical to understand. There's doctors there, there's active nurses.
One of the only real significant health risk is for
a cardiac event. What happens is your QRS complex has
a little bit of a disruption because of the medicine itself.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
But what they do is they put guys.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
On a magnesium during it and it removes the potentiality
of that. But otherwise, psychedelics are not addictive, right, They
don't cause any stroke, they don't cause any of these
other prompts. Now they're you know, obviously, we have a
tremendous amount of research, and that's what this executive order
as well as what was passed in Texas and their
(23:20):
legislation to fund fifty million dollars from the state of
Texas for ibagain and other psychedelic research.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
And that's what it is.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
It's there's still this monster challenge in front of us
because you still have big pharma that essentially wants to
control the entire drug space out there, in particular for
mental health drugs. So there's gonna be a lot of
hurdles to overcome. What this does is it gives us
a little breaching charge. It pushes in this monster bureaucracy
(23:50):
and allows us to begin to do the research which
we need. And so I just interviewed a guy named
Tom Asido, a sixteen year Navy seal combat veteran. Incredibly
unbelievable story of what he went through when he got
out as well too horrible divorce. He lost his trident
because he was trying to self medicate with marijuana and
(24:11):
the Naval Special Warfare community kicked him out instead of going, Wow,
the handful of psychotropic pills we given are making them worse, right,
and then he you know all these problems, Well he
went down seven years ago, did I begain? Saved his
life and now is leading the charge in Tennessee. And
what he describes for an hour on the show, and
that show will drop a week from today on Monday.
(24:35):
On the David Rutherford Show. You can hear the specifics
of the neurological benefits, the medical benefits, the emotional benefits
to it. And then what he talks about is the
step by step process how this is going to begin
to really impact the greater population because a lot of
(24:55):
times what they're saying now, Clay is it's just as
in appropriate for Navy seals or Green berets or any
of that, but we can apply it for firefighters, police officers,
first responders, and to the groader context, people that are
suffering from really substantial childhood trauma that they experience or
post traumatic stress disorder.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So there's others as well, right right, Rutt.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Like they're talking about psychedelics, I begain is one of them.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That's the one I've heard about the most.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
You and I've talked about this a little bit before
in the context of operator syndrome and what some of
these guys are trying to do, trying to go through
for modalities to address this. There's also and this one
I had heard about before, the five neo DMT from
It's a venom or secretion of the Sonoran desert toad.
(25:45):
This is another intense psychedelic that has been used in
this ketamine MDMA psilocybin, also known as magic mushrooms. I
mean there are other subst because I began is the
big one that people have really been having incredible, but
there are others that would be covered on this executive order.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
As I understand it.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
One hundred percent, like you talked about five emo DMT,
your brain naturally produces a form of this substance through
your pineal gland and so, and that one is not
eight to twenty four hours. That's like a twenty minute experience.
They actually call that the God particle and has really
positive impacts on well being and just how you identified
(26:24):
the self.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
But psilocybudin has been being studied at Johns Hopkins for
years now. There's a huge funding research going on there.
One of the most prolific studies that's often cited with
just psilocytemine itself, it was given to geriatric pacer suvering
with terminal cancer in their final stages of cancer. And
what you had is you had an eighty percent reduction
(26:48):
and anxiety or depression that was relative to the finality
of their disease. And so it gave these people this
sense of relief of what was in the impending nature
of the upcoming demise, right. And so yeah, the spectrum
of psychedelics is very wide, very broad spectrum, and I
(27:09):
think it's really could have a prolific experience, especially for
a nation that has as much mental health challenges as
we have in America.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
What does it say about President Trump that this was
able to come about so quickly. Joe Rogan was there
and said, hey, I texted Trump about the need for this,
and almost instantaneously Trump said, Okay, let's find out a
way to.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Get this done.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Obviously there's regular government speed, and then there's Trump speed.
This seems to be a pretty good example of Trump
accelerating the government's ability to give veterans the opportunity to
try this treatment.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
I think for us, obviously, you know, operator syndrome is
not gaining traction within the VA.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
They don't want to identify it.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
They want to stay fixated on big, large scale movements
like you know, burn pit expos or post traumatic stress
disorder itself. And so they and they're really have a
very strong control of Big Farmer because they kind of
regulate the massive amount of sales they have directly through
the VA. So when Trump comes out and does this,
(28:14):
and if you looked at who was standing behind him,
it was Marcus latrelle Man. I had a huge show
before with Marcus. You know, I put him through training.
His brother Morgan's there, he was a congressman in Texas.
You had Rob O'Neil there who shot Bin Laden, who
I went through Hell week with. You've got Marcus Capone
and his wife who started the program, I mean you,
and now you have all these other veterans. So when
(28:36):
this could be from our perspective as veterans who are struggling.
The greatest thing that we've seen President Trump or any
president for that matter, truly taking a focus on what
it means to take care of the mental and medical
health of a generation that you asked to go to
(28:56):
war for twenty two straight years.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
When's the next David Rutherford show gonna drop? I'm sure
you're gonna be talking about this in detail. You're gonna
have anyone else from a special warfare community joining you.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
What can people expect this week?
Speaker 7 (29:10):
This week, I'm I'm addressing a real difficult topic with
veterans and what's going on in the Iran War. I
flew out to Idaho a few weekends ago, and I'm
gonna guy bring on a green bereat named Clay Martin
in an a ten pilot named Dale Stark, and we're
really going to go through what service meant to us,
whether we would change it, whether we would tell our kids,
(29:31):
or what Because all of us are receiving dms about
should I join, should I not join? And so we
really explore the magnitude of what it means to service
and guess what this is a part of that service?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Right?
Speaker 8 (29:44):
You go in, you go into special.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Operations, or you go into high high vigilist state of
vigilance for ten plus twenty years as a a ten
pilot or whatever, you're gonna have to deal with the
ramifications of that exposure. And so one of the things
before is, you know, unfortunately we would say, you know,
your government is going to ask you to go to
war extensively over and over, but then they're gonna turn
(30:07):
their backs and not take care of you with this
massive epidemic of suicides. But now you know, this is
going to change the topic. And so, like I said,
I just interviewed a guy named Tommy Acido.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
We're going to drop that.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
Show a week from today Monday, and that'll be a
comprehensive one hour show about this very topic of I
begaining DMT and what it means for our community.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
David Rutherford, thank you, my friend. Great to have you
with us today and of course as a part of
the podcast network where you are crushing and appreciate you sir.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Who Yeah, God bless you guys, keep rousing.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You are listening to the best of Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We got some
talkbacks reacting to one of the talking points, and I
think you guys will enjoy this.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
We'll have some fun with it.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
First of all, Mary in San Antonio, as Buck is
having to deal with the fact that Kamala is not
going to, you know, slide off the planet as quickly
as he might have hoped from a political perspective. Here
is Mary in San Antonio, also like me, looking forward
to the fun.
Speaker 14 (31:16):
The only reason I would want Kamala to run is
so that we could be entertained during the debates. I
would just love to see how much how well Marco
Rubio would do up against her or jd Vance, either one.
I'm a fan of Marco. My son's named Marco, but
that would be very entertaining. There'd be no way that
(31:37):
she could compete against him.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Keith in Phoenix News Talk five fifty k FYI has
this to say, buck Listen carefully.
Speaker 13 (31:46):
Buck, Look, buddy, you need to take a chip from
Jesse Kelly and start making bets with Clay on Red
lobster dinners, because here just lose some too much money
on these steaks. Remember Red Lobster from now on.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Okay, First of all, we have a red Lobster Upstate
update for all of you, which is coming up here
in a second. Second of all, we're.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Two and one. What are you talking about? We have
had a total and I haven't even lost the third
one yet.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
It's we're wait, it's so into secularly, We're one for
one and I'm probably gonna lose the Kamala one.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
What do you get?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
This is just classic Clay. Clay sells it so well.
It was like, oh, the steak, the steak, the steak,
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