August 7, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focused heavily on the continuing national debate over transgender participation in women’s sports, featured a major interview with women’s sports advocate Riley Gaines, and included a wide-ranging conversation with Michigan gubernatorial candidate John James about key political issues shaping the 2026 election cycle. The hour highlighted the growing cultural and political backlash against transgender athlete policies, examined the future of women’s athletics, and explored critical battleground-state politics in Michigan.
The hour began with discussion of a viral announcement from former NBA player Enes Kanter Freedom, who publicly declared himself eligible for the 2027 WNBA draft in order to challenge existing policies regarding gender identity and athletic competition. Clay and Buck argued that Kanter’s move was designed to test whether leagues that advocate for self-identification policies would apply those standards consistently. Joined by Riley Gaines, the hosts discussed the implications of such a scenario and what it would mean if a former professional male athlete were allowed to compete in women’s basketball. The conversation centered on competitive fairness, biological differences in sports, WNBA policies, gender identity debates, and the broader national discussion about women’s sports protections.
A major segment featured Riley Gaines, who responded to criticism from former U.S. women’s soccer star Megan Rapinoe. Gaines pushed back against accusations that her advocacy seeks to exclude transgender individuals from public life, arguing instead that her focus remains on maintaining sex-based categories in athletics. The interview covered Title IX, fairness in sports, biological sex verification policies, and the growing number of professional female athletes publicly supporting stricter eligibility rules. Gaines discussed the difference between social media narratives and public opinion, noting that most people she encounters express support for preserving women’s sports. She also spoke about the momentum behind the movement, praising athletes who have recently spoken out and arguing that courage among active competitors is encouraging others to do the same.
The discussion expanded to include reactions from some of the biggest names in women’s sports, including WNBA figures and leading professional tennis players. Clay, Buck, and Gaines noted that several WTA stars have publicly supported biological sex-based competition categories, with the hosts describing a growing shift among elite female athletes toward defending competitive fairness. They contrasted those viewpoints with activists and former athletes who support broader inclusion policies. The hosts also analyzed comments from Caitlin Clark, discussing the challenges sports stars face when navigating politically charged issues while maintaining focus on their professional careers.
A substantial portion of Hour 2 focused on Michigan politics through an interview with John James, the Republican nominee for governor. James outlined his campaign priorities, emphasizing affordability, tax relief, public safety, education reform, economic development, and parental choice in schools. He argued that Michigan is lagging behind many other states on economic and educational metrics and called for a return to what he described as common-sense governance. The conversation explored crime policy, healthcare costs, energy affordability, infrastructure, workforce development, and efforts to improve opportunities for Michigan families. James positioned his campaign as a contrast to what he characterized as growing extremism within segments of the Democratic Party.
Michigan’s high-profile political battles remained a key topic as Clay and Buck asked James about Democratic Senate nominee Abdul El-Sayed and a resurfaced video in which El-Sayed criticized Mackinac Island, one of Michigan’s most iconic destinations. The hosts argued that the comments could alienate many Michigan voters who view northern Michigan and Mackinac Island as cherished symbols of the state. James used the discussion to frame broader arguments about cultural identity, civic pride, and the future direction of Michigan politics. The conversation connected local cultural issues to larger national themes involving political polarization, socialism, public safety, and community values.
The interview also touched on James’ military background as a former Army Apache helicopter pilot. This led to a lighter discussion about military aviation, helicopter pilots versus fixed-wing pilots, and Hollywood’s treatment of military aviation in popular culture. James highlighted his service experience while discussing national security concerns, border security, terrorism, and the importance of protecting America
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Brock it back in Clay and Buck. We're about to
be joined by our good friend Riley Gaines. But this
is going to create quite a stir and I'm gonna
ask Riley about this as well as Megan Rapino. Enis
Canter Freedom. Some of you will remember Enis Canter very well.
He is a former NBA player, and he is I
(00:23):
believe from Turkey, and he has been unabashed in his
beloved how much he loves America. Buck. He previously would
wanted to play at the University of Kentucky. I know
and like him quite a lot. Here is what he
just posted ten minutes ago on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
After careful he's a former NBA player, Just to reiterate,
he's nearly seven feet tall. After careful consideration and reviewing
the current eligibility guidelines, I'm officially declaring myself a WNBA prospect.
If simply declaring who you are is all that you're,
then I meet every single requirement necessary to compete in
(01:04):
the WNBA. My team and I have carefully examined the
WNBA's eligibility criteria and governing framework surrounding self identification and inclusion.
Based on the current guidelines, I can and am officially
declaring my eligibility for the upcoming WNBA Draft in April
twenty twenty seven. I know my presence on the court
(01:25):
will stir up strong opinions. I'm definitely not here to mock,
make fun of, or disrespect any community or personal choices.
I'm simply asking that the current rules be applied equally
to everyone, the rules that represent the very values many
WNBA players and coaches have publicly advocated for my team,
and I are prepared to ensure these guidelines are applied equally, consistently,
(01:47):
and without exception. I look forward to the WNBA honoring
its stated principles. See you at training camp, Riley Games
joins us Now, Riley, We're going to get some Megan
Arpino in a moment. But you just texted I have
not seen this. We know enis kantor Freedom. Well, what
(02:07):
is your reaction to his declaring himself eligible for the
twenty twenty seven WNBA Draft. This is absolutely amazing. I
cannot wait to see what the WNBA is going to say.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Clay start drafting the contract for the Nashville Balls right
now for in his Canter Freedom. This is I mean,
in a set in his statement saying, I don't intend
to mock, but that's exactly what the league has been
doing by even entertaining this idea at all. So I
(02:42):
think this is genius. I think it's unironically hilarious. I
will be so interested to see if the WNBA is
willing to, I mean, put their money where their mouth is.
You have called them on this, you have tested them
on this. Of course they've fallen flat, they fallen silent.
This is genius, It is perfect. So it so clearly
(03:03):
highlights the hypocrisy and the insanity of the policies and
the ideas that the WNBA and the entirety of the
Democratic Party and liberal left wing sports media, which is
the most insufferable arm of any sort of left wing media,
by the way, it highlights the hypocrisy of their stance.
If they don't recruit him, if they don't bring him
(03:25):
on and sign him immediately, he would make any WNBA
team better, including the defending WNBA champions Las Vegas Asis.
So I think this is I think this is amazing.
I just texted Ennis and he's he's all lamped up
for it. So the good news is he doesn't even
have to be training, he doesn't have to be getting
his shots in. He would come in and be the
(03:46):
best WNBA player. Obviously, a kindergartener could tell you that
bar nine today.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You would average sevent like forty rebounds. I mean, I'm
not kidding, seventy points forty rebounds. It would be unbelievable,
Riley gains with us.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm just sitting here flabbercasted by the position Riley, that
the pro trans athletes against women have put themselves in. Now,
because we have talked about this for a long time.
I know you have been at the forefront of this issue,
but we've had this discussion, Clay and I going back
quite a ways where the only way it seems to
(04:21):
really put this to rest, at least on the sports side,
would be to have such total domination of women by
men at the highest actual level of women's athletics that
it would make a mockery of the whole thing. Do
you think just take take the stroll with me here,
if in his caunter freedom can actually get them to
(04:43):
respond or pay attention, and if he played, we all
know that he would dominate. Would they just accept this though?
I mean, are they so crazy? They'd be like, yeah,
he scores seventy points a game. He's the best woman,
best female basketball player in the league.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I would to say, No, they're going to change their minds.
But I have quite frankly been saying that for years now,
like whatever the next big thing is, I've thought, surely
they're going to change their mind and they have yet
to do that. They have only leaned in. So honestly, fuck,
I think they continue on and they kind of just
lay down and allow themselves to be steamed, be progressive.
(05:27):
But the reality is it has to do with this
like oppression totem pole, right, and trans people fall higher
on the oppression totem pole than women do. And of
course at the very bottom of the totem pole is
straight white men. So you guys are like the King
Colonizers over there. I'm a little more oppressed than you,
but I'm not quite as oppressed as a trans person.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I actually want to get a Keen Colonizer T shirt.
That would actually I feel like I should do it.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
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Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, the Nashville By the way, I am texting with
our good friend Jennifer say earlier today, a lot of
you have been asking about Nashville Balls merchandise. We are
going to have xxxy do official Nashville Balls merchandise, like
a special run that I will share the link for soon.
I hope it's going to be up. Just FYI. A
(06:18):
lot of you said I want T shirts, so this
is good. I don't know if you have heard. I
presume that you have, but I want to play it
in case people have not. We pulled We got thirty
seconds of Megan Rapino teeing off on you, and we
played this earlier. Riley, I said, this makes me mad
because I know you and you're just such a good person.
(06:40):
And I remember when someone Biles just out of nowhere
decided to tee off on you and we were texting.
You shared it with me. I couldn't believe it was real,
And when I hear this from Meghan Rapino, a part
of me just thinks I can't believe this is the
world we're in. But I want to play cut three.
This is Megan Repino ripping Sophie Cunningham for being in
(07:02):
a picture with you. This is an unhinged conspiracy, but
I want people to hear it. And I want you
to be able to respond. Cut three.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I don't know Sophie, so I can only project what
I see about her beliefs based on her actions and
seeing a picture of her with Riley Gaines after the
game told me everything I need to know about what's happening.
Riley Gaines has made it her life's mission to exclude
trans people from public life. She's directly tied to the
Heritage Foundation, the authors of Project twenty twenty five and
(07:32):
now twenty twenty six, who have now published a report
that suggests that they want to repeal Title nine, the
very piece of legislation that allowed athletes like Sophie and
myself to compete in sport.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Okay, so, Riley, I'll let you respond to Meghan Rapino.
I assume you don't know and have not met Reagan
Meghan Rapino before, But what was your reaction when you
heard her attack you today?
Speaker 7 (07:58):
No, I have.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Never met Meghan Rapino. I cannot say I'm I'm shocked
by this. I mean I could have told you those
were her opinions on me. I mean absolutely and entirely unaccurate.
First and foremost to say that I'm affiliated with Heritage Foundation.
Never in my life have I been affiliated with Heritage Foundation,
although I would say most of the work that they
do I support, So whatever. Besides the point, and to
(08:23):
just say the stupid buzzworthy type phrase, if I just
want to exclude trans people from public life, how would
I would push back on this? Is give me an
example of how I have done that or advocated for that. Right,
even in advocating for women's only sports, you're not advocating
for trends individuals or when we say that, when we're
(08:44):
talking about sports, we're really talking about men, right, we don't.
There's not much concern of women who identify as men
that that's not much of a concern of anyone. Although
men are I do believe entitled to their safe spaces
and their own excluded spaces, to whatever. Even in advocating
for laws and legislation protects women's sports, it's not advocating
for exclusion of trends. It's just advocating that they compete
(09:05):
in the category that aligns with their sex. That's it.
And I hate this whole and we see this a lot, honestly,
this whole guilty by association where if you're in a
photo with someone, then you must share the same values
or beliefs or whatever, And I think that's just stupid.
There are several people who I'm in photos with who
I don't align with them fully on. Maybe we disagree
(09:25):
on even some of the fundamental things that I believe.
So I just think Megan Rapino, she's has no idea
what she's talking about, so much so that even when
she went on the View just a few weeks ago,
she said, there's a villain Washington, DC that would make
it legal for legislators to pull down the pants and
inspect the genitals of little girls. Are we kidding? What
(09:46):
is she talking about? That's not a thing at all.
It's total fear mongering. I think what she's referring to
is what people like, and virtually all of the tennis
players who have been pressed and asked on this topic,
of these these sry gene screening, it's a simple, cheap, effective,
non invasive cheek swab that determines if you have the
(10:06):
sroy gene which is only present on Y chromosomes, which
is only present in men. That is not a genital inspection.
It's not invasive. Actually, it's far less invasive than the
COVID test that I was subjected to in college. So
no one is inspecting Genital's Megan Rapino, and no one
is trying to exclude trans people from public life. It's
just total fear mongering and lies.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Are are people coming up to you with any regularity
in the in the wild, so to speak?
Speaker 7 (10:34):
Riley?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
You know, young young women, do they ever approach you
who really believe this, who want to engage like who
try to change your mind? Or when you come across
anybody who's who's a young woman who takes the opinion
that women should and men should be allowed to play
in women's sports? Is it just invective? You're a terrible person,
You're excluding you know what I mean? There's I think
(10:55):
there's a clear distinction there. Do you ever get somebody
who really wants to talk to you about it or
they just want if they disagree with you? Are they
just trying to throw tomatoes?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Beyond like public events, I guess where it's advertised I'm
going to be somewhere, especially on college campuses. You know,
I have never once had a negative interaction in my
daily life with anyone. I've never had anyone approach me
and try and take like the contrarian approach. It is
only and always. It could be young girls, as you said,
(11:26):
who come up to me and say thank you, like
I see your videos. I play sports too, or even
oftentimes it's kind of like your standard Fox News watcher.
It's like your grown man who will come up to
me and like with tears in his eyes and be like, look,
I have a daughter or granddaughters, thank you for doing
what you do. It is never the alternative, which it
really only enforces to me, which is why I feel
(11:48):
so confident and securing my stance. What we see online,
what we see portrayed, why I elected representation. What we
see again on mainstream media, how they make it out
to be a super divisive fifty fifty to fifty issue,
that's just not real life. Twitter is not real life.
Social media is not real life. The Target Center where
(12:10):
the WNBA game was I went to the Links versus
the Fever is not real life. Every time Sophie stepped
on the court, she was booed. Every time she was
subbed in, every time she threw up the ball, anytime
her name was mentioned over the loud speakers, anytime you
see the jumbo tron they had people draped in their trends.
That's not real life. What is real life is the
(12:31):
interactions you have on a daily basis. And I never
ever have anyone come up to me and try and
like oppose the stance that I've taken.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Courage is contagious. I don't think Sophie Cunningham would have
come out if you hadn't been willing to stand up
for what happened to you with Leah Thomas. Now we're
seeing a lot of WTA players, whether it's the best arena,
Sabolinka also the top women's player in the US. Last
name Pegola Pagoula. What does it mean to you to
(13:03):
see all of these current women's pro athletes suddenly coming
out and lining up? It feels like there is a real.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Movement here, oh, one hundred and ten percent. And as
you said, play, I don't think that would have happened
without Sophie. It means a lot when you have it
can be one thing I say it, of course you
guys say it. But when you have a current professional
female athlete competing at the level that Sophie is, the
level that these these tennis players are. When you have
(13:32):
someone like Sophie, who's willing to say it.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
It does.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It's like a cascade effect. Like you said it, courage
is contagious. It kind of sounds cliche, but it's real,
it's true, and so I'm not surprised at all.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
There was a.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Study done, I think back in like the nineteen sixties
or seventies, when sex testing was implemented and taken away
at the Olympic level, they actually ask their female athletes,
how many of you are in favor of bringing sex
testing back, and like eighty five percent of them said
that they support it. So I'm not surprised that the
(14:07):
most elite athletes who have invested so much time and
effort in discipline, like their whole lives, not just you know,
the years they're competing at that level. It's it's a
lifelong journey. Of course, I'm not surprised if they want
to compete fairly. This what we've seen from the Teslaar's
even Coco Goff, by the way, who I would not
describe by any stretch of the imagination, although maybe it's
(14:29):
not fair to assume I don't know her, but I
can't imagine she voted for Trump. I can't imagine she's
maga by by any means, but even still, she virtually
said the same thing that Symphie Cunningham did, where it's like, look,
I want to lead with love, but I want fairness
in my sports. It's the same thing. I think Coco
said it in many more words and with a few
(14:50):
more buzz phrases and slogans in there. So I'm not
surprised by this, and I think we're going to continue
to see more athletes, especially as the league level, taking
the stance that Sebolinka has.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Amen, Riley, we appreciate the time, know how busy you are,
Give the little girl a hug and uh from us
and keep the fight. We appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
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Speaker 4 (16:26):
Clay and Buck, I have your back, all right, Welcome back
into Clay and Buck. We have John James going to
going right shortly here. He's running for Senate up in Michigan. Governor, sorry,
governor governor that we already had. The Senate guy, yeah,
would be Mike Rogers. Rogers, pardon me, pardon me. He's
(16:46):
running for governor of Michigan, and that'll be very interesting race.
We'll be discussing that with him shortly. Briefly here we're
looking forward to that. On this sports stuff, we just
have the one only round the games talking about it.
Kaitlyn Clark Clay here she is talking about stuff like that.
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Speaker 8 (17:05):
Person foremost like you know, you speak when you feel
like you want to speak. I think for myself, like
you know, I try to just show up and be
myself every single day, and I hope, you know, fans
can feel like they can connect with me in that way.
But at the same time, you know, I'm twenty four
years old. I'm trying to navigate life. I'm trying to
navigate playing at the highest level. And then you know,
sometimes you get asked a lot of questions and sometimes
(17:26):
that's your responsibility. And then sometimes you know, you want
to keep the focus on basketball. So I feel like
you just do your best to navigate it.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
You go with your gut, you.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Know, all fair. I think that that's a fine perspective
that she brings to this. I think it's tough to
punt on the women in sports thing though, cause the
member we talked about this, there's a different principle at stake,
which is it's one thing if you don't want to
talk about Canesy and economics. But if someone said, hey,
do you want to do it on your team?
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck. We are joined now
by John James. He is I hope and we'll work
to try and make this happen. The next governor of
the great State of Michigan. He is the Republican nominee
and he is out on the campaign trail. We've had
him on the program before. Let me start before we
dive into a question here by just saying congratulations. The
(19:16):
last time I saw you, I think was at mar
A Lago, and you knew you were in for a
tough battle in the primary. Now that you have won
that primary again, congratulations. What needs to happen for you
to become the next governor of Michigan.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Well, first of all, I'll glory to God and as
a team effort, the thing that needs to happen is
that Republicans need to show up to vote.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
But we've always asked the call.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Clay Republican Party was founded to stand up to slavery
and hold this nation together, and now in Michigan we
are being called again to stand up to socialism and
hold this nation together. We have a destiny and it's
to make sure that we're protecting this republic. And it's
just I mean, because you even plan it on our
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary and on the eve of
(20:06):
the twenty fifth anniversary of nine to eleven, to be
reminded how special we are in the charts. That we
have to stand in defense of our republic. These are
the types of things that truly matter and in order
for not just meet to win before all of us,
all ten million in the state of Michigan and all
three hundred and twenty five million of us around the country,
is we have to stand to end socialism and save
(20:27):
our republic. And I'm excited to be at the tip
of the sphere here at Michigan.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
You know, John, it's always nice when we get to
talk to somebody who's trying to be the governor because
in your specific state, right you're going to this if
you were going to the Senate, let's say we had
Mike Rodgers on earlier this week, you're one of one
hundred votes, and you know you're going to try to
represent your state. If you're the governor of Michigan, you
get to do real things in Michigan, right, You actually
get to execute on plans. What are those plans. What
(20:58):
is the top of the agenda for you? And I'm
also wondering just what you could speak to with regard
to the state of the Michigan economy right now and
what you would do to take it either to the
next level or to help it recover or whatever you
think the proper description would be.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Yeah, focus on keeping number one number one, and that's
on the people of the state of Michigan. Economic development
is more about flesh and blood than it is about
brick and mortar. Focusing on things to increase affordability, specifically
lowering taxes, lowering regulations, and those are going to help
lower healthcare costs, lower energy costs, lower housing costs.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Also, focus on safer streets.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Not only holding activist judges, das and prosecutors accountable for
allowing violent criminals back out on the street, but holding
those violent criminals accountable, keeping them behind bars, and making
sure that we prioritize the rights of victims over the
feelings of these convicts and criminals. And then finally, excellent schools.
Our children deserve to have excellent schools, and under the
(21:57):
current regime with no accountability, we have system where kids
can't read forty fourth in the nation where fourth graders
can't read. What that ends up meaning is we're sentencing
seventy percent of our children to a life of teen pregnancy,
prison or worse. Our kids deserve better, and I believe
it starts by giving parents a choice.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You give parents a choice, you give children a chance, and.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Good excellent schools is the civil rights issue of our time.
By being able to focus on those things, that's going
to make Michigan better for everyone. In the second part
of your question, Michigan was just recently ranked forty sixth
in the entire country. That's forty six out of fifty.
Now Democrats going to run around blaming President Trump, but
(22:41):
there are forty five states doing better than us, and
we all.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Have the same president.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Our education system is forty fifth, our infrastructure is forty third,
and again our state is forty sixth. Overall, that's eleven
spots less behind California. And so all we're going to
be doing is focusing on the fundamentals and frankly doing
the things that the red states run by Republican governors
are doing, where our children are fleeing to for better opportunity.
(23:07):
It's going to be hard work, but it really is
simple common sense over crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I love that slogan, common sense over crazy. Team. Can
you pull up this audio because I want to let
John James react to it. I know you're not running
against abdul Lsied, but the fact that he was a
nomination on the Senate side are Yeah, you're all running
against him. Mike Rodgers put out a great video this
(23:32):
morning saying, Hey, everybody out there who's a Democrat, understand
where that party is gone. You and I had a
dinner or drinks at on mckinaw Island last fall. I
was speaking up at the Republican event. Tutor Dixon was
with us, your wife was.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
There.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Was an awesome event. We talked about how you could
win the governorship and how impactful that could be. The
reason why I bring it up. I don't know if
you've this yet. It's gone viral. Abdul l Sayed was
in a documentary. He's walking on mckinaw Island and guys,
do we have that audio that we can play for
John James. Here here he is saying that he hates
(24:13):
mckinawe Island for Michiganders. I think this is going to
resonate as he's just not like us listen.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So much.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
It's funny because like, if we win, this is gonna
be the like summer home.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I just gonel Like every time I've ever come here,
I've hated. It's why am I here? Okay? So for
people who are not from Michigan, maybe you haven't been
there before. This is an iconic place. You and I
had dinner drinks there. This is a place that Michigan's,
of all Michiganders, of all different stripes and persuasions, come
to and celebrate pure Michigan. You've talked about it. I've
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talked about it. Northern Michigan in the summer is one
of the greatest places on the planet. What does this say?
Why does something like this matter? How does it reflect
the Democrat Party not being connected to the average person
from Michigan.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
This is why I say that we're running against We're
running against and we're running against extremism. We're running against socialism,
we're running aast anti Semitism. We're running against people who
hate Michigan itself. We're running against people who hate our
way of life. They hate everything we are, they hate
everything that we stand for.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
They do it openly. They want to tear it down.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
They hate beauty, We hate light, we hate the taking
your freedoms, but we hate people who will come in
here and change our culture and rip our constitution in
our republic down to its studs. We are about bringing
all ten million Michiganders together toward a future where our
children can have a better life and we can enjoy
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the great beauty of our state and restore hope in Michigan.
It's insulting that someone would hate the symbols of what
bring us together and the beauty that resides around our state,
most notably the people, and still expect our vote. We're
giving an alternative. We're going to be restoring beauty in Michigan,
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protecting and standing up for Macanall and making sure that
everyone can enjoy all of it for a long time
to come.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
John, if I could ask you about something else, You're
a veteran, a combat veteran, a as I understand it,
a rotary wing aviator. Right, You're an Apache. You're a
patchy guy, Am I correct?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
That's awesome?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Is better?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Is better?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yes? I mean, if you want to talk any smack.
My father in law is a retired Fateen pilot naval aviator.
If you want to talk any smack about fixed wing,
by the way, your time now is your time, go
for it. You know, I just I watch you guys
go back and forth. You know, fixed wing, rotary wing.
It's amazing, it's amazing. How about you both also will
lean on your specific military expertise on both sides for
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like which one is harder? You know what I mean?
I stayed in the middle. I'm like, guys, you know,
a planes flying, I can't do it. I just hope
the plane lands when I'm on it. That's all I know.
But one thing, I mean obvious. See the fact that
you're veteran, a combat veteran. It's fantastic and we greatly
appreciate you. We thank you for that. Why hasn't there
been a great rotary wing top gun if you will,
(27:10):
Apache helicopters are like flying tanks. They're actually amazing pieces
of machinery. I feel like, you know, yeah, you got
to be governor, but you've also got to tell the clay.
We got to talk to some people here. There needs
to be a top gun for helicopters because Apache and.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
There actually has been. It's actually called I think it's Thunderbirds.
I think Nick Cage starred in it. Is some back
in the eighties or nineties. It's like our only movie.
But when I man, you are.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Blowing Block's mind right now that he doesn't know about
a military movie with Nicholas Cage in it, like you
should see it.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I mean I probably don't know because it's a Nicholas
Cage misterary movie.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But Firebirds, And when I get elected, I.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Bought Firebirds our team just point it's nineteen ninety. Firebirds
is the movie. That's the movie?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Is that right here?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You go fire Yes?
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yes, when I'm governor, I'll give the secretary call see
if we can shoot a sequel here and here in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Was it good though, Firebirds?
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Like should I go check this out? Or was it
like air Wolf which had a cool theme song but
didn't really get it done?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Alf Airwolf? Airwolf was great? Was it Stringfellow Hawk?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
It was?
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Uh, it was flying around and and blowing up bad guys. Yeah,
that's that's kind of what we did. I was in
a rock for a while, and uh, we fought some
of the same extremism that you're now seeing creep into
America and Michigan right now. I mean, we were told
that if we went to go fight it over there,
we wouldn't have to fight it here. And uh and
because we had open borders, because we have leftist politicians
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who refuse to tell the truth and don't have the
courage do the right thing. It's not just on our borders,
it's inside our house. And so it's incumbent upon us
to make sure that we're continuing to tell the truth,
that we're continuing to fight for beauty. We're continuing to
stand by all three hundred and twenty five million of
us in the country, all ten million of us in
the state, to make sure that we keep folks who
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are willing to abide by our laws, assimilate with our
culture and respect our constitution to continue to stay here
and thrive. And others well, frankly, they can pursue their
own goals elsewhere, but certainly not in our house.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Claik real quick blue thunder is also a hell that's
from nineteen eighty three, though, so there have been a couple,
but they did not leave a lasting impression. Clay your floor.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, yeah, you're talking about common sense and I'm sure
you've been following this because I know you're a sports
fan as well, and I know you got kids. Yes, black, white, Asian, Hispanic.
I think every man in America, certainly men in Michigan,
think this idea that men should be able to play
in the WNBA that has suddenly become a scendant is
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absolutely moronic and evidence of how far left wing the
Democrat Party has become. Sometimes you can unify people on
issues such as these, even if they don't agree with
you on tax policy or immigration policy, because it cuts
through the noise. I'm curious as you go around in
Michigan and talk to people of all different backgrounds guys
(30:15):
and gals, but white, black, Asian, Hispanic, I bet you
hear from a lot of Michigan people this idea of
boys and girls sports is absolutely bonkers, insane. We just
had Riley gaines On responding to Meghan Rapino, but this
has turned into a huge story since Sophie Cunningham spoke out.
What are your voters in Michigan saying about this and
do you find that it is an entry point to
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talking to people that might not be traditional Republican voters?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, I can tell you how our voters are thinking,
but I can also tell you how Sharon James raised me.
You don't ever hit a girl. And right now, the
modern leftists are advocating for a position where biological men
can dominate biological women. Now, I fundamentally have a problem
with that. Look, as far as our kids are concerned,
I want our kids to play sports, but we need
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to make sure that biological girls are competing with biological girls,
and biological boys are competing with biological boys. Is not
just a matter of tradition, it's a matter of safety.
It's a matter of making sure that we have fairness,
whether it's a level playing field out on the pitch,
or whether it's the sanctity, the purity and the safety
of locker rooms.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I'm a big advocate of Title nine. That needs to.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Be protected, and anybody who would get in the way
of that is a civil rights violation, in addition to
I believe a moral violation. We absolutely have to protect
our girls. And as far as adults are concerned, Look,
if you are a consenting adult and you're.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Doing your thing, it's a free country. That's between you
and God.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
But as far as the kids are concerned, don't try
to twist their minds, don't try to steal their success,
and certainly don't try to put them in harm's way.
I will always stand up for fairness, but that is
especially fairness and safety for our girls and making sure
that biological boys are competing with biological boys, biological girls
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competing with biological girls, and we're making sure we have
safety and fairness for all ten million Michigans.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Amen, John James, get out supported. How can people who
are listening to us right now that want to help
you get elected governor? How can they have that impact?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Two things. Number One, go out there and share the message.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
We need to get as many patriots off their patio
to go vote for the right thing to take our
state back. And second, go to John JAMESMI dot com.
That's John JAMESMI dot com, his in the lib ballist
on socials.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Love to have you in the family.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Thanks a lot, awesome, good luck, congratulations. I'm sure we'll
be talking to you throughout the fall.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Perfect God bless s take care.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Look, there are a lot of families out there in
this audience that are sending kids off to college this month.
I'm one of them. My oldest going off to college.
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I'm looking at pictures of him as a little kid.
I can't believe he's eighteen and he's going off to college. Now, today,
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have on your phone. But what about back in the day.
What about when your kids were young, if they were
going off to college and it was the early days
of cell phones. What about, certainly, if your kids are older,
what about if you've got grandkids, would you still have
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Welcome back in Clay and Buck. We're gonna take some
of your calls. I said, I wanted to mention this,
and Jennifer say, who runs xxxy Uh. They are making
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guys should check it out. Okay, let's get some funny
calls here to close the hour. Douglas in northern New Jersey,
fire away. What was your My French class name, as
I confessed yesterday, was Gerard Bonaparte. Your French class name
was what Douglas?
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Well, they're ours were assigned by the teachers, So if
your name was Bill, you were Guillome, or they were
assigned by our first names, and if you were John,
you were Jean. But my name is Douglas, and there's
no derivation for that in French. So she just assigned
the Douglass, which I thought kind of sucked. So after
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a few weeks I raised my hand in class. I said, madam,
I do not wish to be called Douglass anymore. And
look to me. She said, well, what do you want
to be called? I said, from here on in, I
wish to be called Legrand from Marge.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And that is great. With that, very nice, very good.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I email from Rick, you want to do this real quick?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I was gonna, well, you can tell Philip and Bobby
that we want them to give us talkbacks because they
are great, but we are running out of time. What's
the email.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah, we got just email from Rick. Guys, I want
to let you know about ten million veterans. Just went
and checked out the trailer. Trailer for Firebirds with Nicholas
Cage and Tommy Lee Jones. Looks pretty good. I did
not know there was a helicopter movie with Tommy Lee
Jones and Nicholas Cage called Firebirds.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Clay, I might have a movie to check out this weekend.
Bobby was going to tee off on your high school.
I want to hear this talkback. Maybe we can get
to it later
Brock it back in Clay and Buck. We're about to
be joined by our good friend Riley Gaines. But this
is going to create quite a stir and I'm gonna
ask Riley about this as well as Megan Rapino. Enis
Canter Freedom. Some of you will remember Enis Canter very well.
He is a former NBA player, and he is I
(00:23):
believe from Turkey, and he has been unabashed in his
beloved how much he loves America. Buck. He previously would
wanted to play at the University of Kentucky. I know
and like him quite a lot. Here is what he
just posted ten minutes ago on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
After careful he's a former NBA player, Just to reiterate,
he's nearly seven feet tall. After careful consideration and reviewing
the current eligibility guidelines, I'm officially declaring myself a WNBA prospect.
If simply declaring who you are is all that you're,
then I meet every single requirement necessary to compete in
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the WNBA. My team and I have carefully examined the
WNBA's eligibility criteria and governing framework surrounding self identification and inclusion.
Based on the current guidelines, I can and am officially
declaring my eligibility for the upcoming WNBA Draft in April
twenty twenty seven. I know my presence on the court
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will stir up strong opinions. I'm definitely not here to mock,
make fun of, or disrespect any community or personal choices.
I'm simply asking that the current rules be applied equally
to everyone, the rules that represent the very values many
WNBA players and coaches have publicly advocated for my team,
and I are prepared to ensure these guidelines are applied equally, consistently,
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and without exception. I look forward to the WNBA honoring
its stated principles. See you at training camp, Riley Games
joins us Now, Riley, We're going to get some Megan
Arpino in a moment. But you just texted I have
not seen this. We know enis kantor Freedom. Well, what
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is your reaction to his declaring himself eligible for the
twenty twenty seven WNBA Draft. This is absolutely amazing. I
cannot wait to see what the WNBA is going to say.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Clay start drafting the contract for the Nashville Balls right
now for in his Canter Freedom. This is I mean,
in a set in his statement saying, I don't intend
to mock, but that's exactly what the league has been
doing by even entertaining this idea at all. So I
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think this is genius. I think it's unironically hilarious. I
will be so interested to see if the WNBA is
willing to, I mean, put their money where their mouth is.
You have called them on this, you have tested them
on this. Of course they've fallen flat, they fallen silent.
This is genius, It is perfect. So it so clearly
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highlights the hypocrisy and the insanity of the policies and
the ideas that the WNBA and the entirety of the
Democratic Party and liberal left wing sports media, which is
the most insufferable arm of any sort of left wing media,
by the way, it highlights the hypocrisy of their stance.
If they don't recruit him, if they don't bring him
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on and sign him immediately, he would make any WNBA
team better, including the defending WNBA champions Las Vegas Asis.
So I think this is I think this is amazing.
I just texted Ennis and he's he's all lamped up
for it. So the good news is he doesn't even
have to be training, he doesn't have to be getting
his shots in. He would come in and be the
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best WNBA player. Obviously, a kindergartener could tell you that
bar nine today.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You would average sevent like forty rebounds. I mean, I'm
not kidding, seventy points forty rebounds. It would be unbelievable,
Riley gains with us.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm just sitting here flabbercasted by the position Riley, that
the pro trans athletes against women have put themselves in. Now,
because we have talked about this for a long time.
I know you have been at the forefront of this issue,
but we've had this discussion, Clay and I going back
quite a ways where the only way it seems to
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really put this to rest, at least on the sports side,
would be to have such total domination of women by
men at the highest actual level of women's athletics that
it would make a mockery of the whole thing. Do
you think just take take the stroll with me here,
if in his caunter freedom can actually get them to
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respond or pay attention, and if he played, we all
know that he would dominate. Would they just accept this though?
I mean, are they so crazy? They'd be like, yeah,
he scores seventy points a game. He's the best woman,
best female basketball player in the league.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I would to say, No, they're going to change their minds.
But I have quite frankly been saying that for years now,
like whatever the next big thing is, I've thought, surely
they're going to change their mind and they have yet
to do that. They have only leaned in. So honestly, fuck,
I think they continue on and they kind of just
lay down and allow themselves to be steamed, be progressive.
(05:27):
But the reality is it has to do with this
like oppression totem pole, right, and trans people fall higher
on the oppression totem pole than women do. And of
course at the very bottom of the totem pole is
straight white men. So you guys are like the King
Colonizers over there. I'm a little more oppressed than you,
but I'm not quite as oppressed as a trans person.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I actually want to get a Keen Colonizer T shirt.
That would actually I feel like I should do it.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Eficial merch of the Nashville Balls.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, the Nashville By the way, I am texting with
our good friend Jennifer say earlier today, a lot of
you have been asking about Nashville Balls merchandise. We are
going to have xxxy do official Nashville Balls merchandise, like
a special run that I will share the link for soon.
I hope it's going to be up. Just FYI. A
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lot of you said I want T shirts, so this
is good. I don't know if you have heard. I
presume that you have, but I want to play it
in case people have not. We pulled We got thirty
seconds of Megan Rapino teeing off on you, and we
played this earlier. Riley, I said, this makes me mad
because I know you and you're just such a good person.
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And I remember when someone Biles just out of nowhere
decided to tee off on you and we were texting.
You shared it with me. I couldn't believe it was real,
And when I hear this from Meghan Rapino, a part
of me just thinks I can't believe this is the
world we're in. But I want to play cut three.
This is Megan Repino ripping Sophie Cunningham for being in
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a picture with you. This is an unhinged conspiracy, but
I want people to hear it. And I want you
to be able to respond. Cut three.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I don't know Sophie, so I can only project what
I see about her beliefs based on her actions and
seeing a picture of her with Riley Gaines after the
game told me everything I need to know about what's happening.
Riley Gaines has made it her life's mission to exclude
trans people from public life. She's directly tied to the
Heritage Foundation, the authors of Project twenty twenty five and
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now twenty twenty six, who have now published a report
that suggests that they want to repeal Title nine, the
very piece of legislation that allowed athletes like Sophie and
myself to compete in sport.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Okay, so, Riley, I'll let you respond to Meghan Rapino.
I assume you don't know and have not met Reagan
Meghan Rapino before, But what was your reaction when you
heard her attack you today?
Speaker 7 (07:58):
No, I have.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Never met Meghan Rapino. I cannot say I'm I'm shocked
by this. I mean I could have told you those
were her opinions on me. I mean absolutely and entirely unaccurate.
First and foremost to say that I'm affiliated with Heritage Foundation.
Never in my life have I been affiliated with Heritage Foundation,
although I would say most of the work that they
do I support, So whatever. Besides the point, and to
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just say the stupid buzzworthy type phrase, if I just
want to exclude trans people from public life, how would
I would push back on this? Is give me an
example of how I have done that or advocated for that. Right,
even in advocating for women's only sports, you're not advocating
for trends individuals or when we say that, when we're
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talking about sports, we're really talking about men, right, we don't.
There's not much concern of women who identify as men
that that's not much of a concern of anyone. Although
men are I do believe entitled to their safe spaces
and their own excluded spaces, to whatever. Even in advocating
for laws and legislation protects women's sports, it's not advocating
for exclusion of trends. It's just advocating that they compete
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in the category that aligns with their sex. That's it.
And I hate this whole and we see this a lot, honestly,
this whole guilty by association where if you're in a
photo with someone, then you must share the same values
or beliefs or whatever, And I think that's just stupid.
There are several people who I'm in photos with who
I don't align with them fully on. Maybe we disagree
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on even some of the fundamental things that I believe.
So I just think Megan Rapino, she's has no idea
what she's talking about, so much so that even when
she went on the View just a few weeks ago,
she said, there's a villain Washington, DC that would make
it legal for legislators to pull down the pants and
inspect the genitals of little girls. Are we kidding? What
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is she talking about? That's not a thing at all.
It's total fear mongering. I think what she's referring to
is what people like, and virtually all of the tennis
players who have been pressed and asked on this topic,
of these these sry gene screening, it's a simple, cheap, effective,
non invasive cheek swab that determines if you have the
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sroy gene which is only present on Y chromosomes, which
is only present in men. That is not a genital inspection.
It's not invasive. Actually, it's far less invasive than the
COVID test that I was subjected to in college. So
no one is inspecting Genital's Megan Rapino, and no one
is trying to exclude trans people from public life. It's
just total fear mongering and lies.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Are are people coming up to you with any regularity
in the in the wild, so to speak?
Speaker 7 (10:34):
Riley?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
You know, young young women, do they ever approach you
who really believe this, who want to engage like who
try to change your mind? Or when you come across
anybody who's who's a young woman who takes the opinion
that women should and men should be allowed to play
in women's sports? Is it just invective? You're a terrible person,
You're excluding you know what I mean? There's I think
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there's a clear distinction there. Do you ever get somebody
who really wants to talk to you about it or
they just want if they disagree with you? Are they
just trying to throw tomatoes?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Beyond like public events, I guess where it's advertised I'm
going to be somewhere, especially on college campuses. You know,
I have never once had a negative interaction in my
daily life with anyone. I've never had anyone approach me
and try and take like the contrarian approach. It is
only and always. It could be young girls, as you said,
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who come up to me and say thank you, like
I see your videos. I play sports too, or even
oftentimes it's kind of like your standard Fox News watcher.
It's like your grown man who will come up to
me and like with tears in his eyes and be like, look,
I have a daughter or granddaughters, thank you for doing
what you do. It is never the alternative, which it
really only enforces to me, which is why I feel
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so confident and securing my stance. What we see online,
what we see portrayed, why I elected representation. What we
see again on mainstream media, how they make it out
to be a super divisive fifty fifty to fifty issue,
that's just not real life. Twitter is not real life.
Social media is not real life. The Target Center where
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the WNBA game was I went to the Links versus
the Fever is not real life. Every time Sophie stepped
on the court, she was booed. Every time she was
subbed in, every time she threw up the ball, anytime
her name was mentioned over the loud speakers, anytime you
see the jumbo tron they had people draped in their trends.
That's not real life. What is real life is the
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interactions you have on a daily basis. And I never
ever have anyone come up to me and try and
like oppose the stance that I've taken.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Courage is contagious. I don't think Sophie Cunningham would have
come out if you hadn't been willing to stand up
for what happened to you with Leah Thomas. Now we're
seeing a lot of WTA players, whether it's the best arena,
Sabolinka also the top women's player in the US. Last
name Pegola Pagoula. What does it mean to you to
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see all of these current women's pro athletes suddenly coming
out and lining up? It feels like there is a real.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Movement here, oh, one hundred and ten percent. And as
you said, play, I don't think that would have happened
without Sophie. It means a lot when you have it
can be one thing I say it, of course you
guys say it. But when you have a current professional
female athlete competing at the level that Sophie is, the
level that these these tennis players are. When you have
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someone like Sophie, who's willing to say it.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
It does.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It's like a cascade effect. Like you said it, courage
is contagious. It kind of sounds cliche, but it's real,
it's true, and so I'm not surprised at all.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
There was a.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Study done, I think back in like the nineteen sixties
or seventies, when sex testing was implemented and taken away
at the Olympic level, they actually ask their female athletes,
how many of you are in favor of bringing sex
testing back, and like eighty five percent of them said
that they support it. So I'm not surprised that the
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most elite athletes who have invested so much time and
effort in discipline, like their whole lives, not just you know,
the years they're competing at that level. It's it's a
lifelong journey. Of course, I'm not surprised if they want
to compete fairly. This what we've seen from the Teslaar's
even Coco Goff, by the way, who I would not
describe by any stretch of the imagination, although maybe it's
(14:29):
not fair to assume I don't know her, but I
can't imagine she voted for Trump. I can't imagine she's
maga by by any means, but even still, she virtually
said the same thing that Symphie Cunningham did, where it's like, look,
I want to lead with love, but I want fairness
in my sports. It's the same thing. I think Coco
said it in many more words and with a few
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more buzz phrases and slogans in there. So I'm not
surprised by this, and I think we're going to continue
to see more athletes, especially as the league level, taking
the stance that Sebolinka has.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Amen, Riley, we appreciate the time, know how busy you are,
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You got it, thanks claim.
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Speaker 4 (16:26):
Clay and Buck, I have your back, all right, Welcome back
into Clay and Buck. We have John James going to
going right shortly here. He's running for Senate up in Michigan. Governor, sorry,
governor governor that we already had. The Senate guy, yeah,
would be Mike Rogers. Rogers, pardon me, pardon me. He's
(16:46):
running for governor of Michigan, and that'll be very interesting race.
We'll be discussing that with him shortly. Briefly here we're
looking forward to that. On this sports stuff, we just
have the one only round the games talking about it.
Kaitlyn Clark Clay here she is talking about stuff like that.
This is cut five hitty.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
Person foremost like you know, you speak when you feel
like you want to speak. I think for myself, like
you know, I try to just show up and be
myself every single day, and I hope, you know, fans
can feel like they can connect with me in that way.
But at the same time, you know, I'm twenty four
years old. I'm trying to navigate life. I'm trying to
navigate playing at the highest level. And then you know,
sometimes you get asked a lot of questions and sometimes
(17:26):
that's your responsibility. And then sometimes you know, you want
to keep the focus on basketball. So I feel like
you just do your best to navigate it.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
You go with your gut, you.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Know, all fair. I think that that's a fine perspective
that she brings to this. I think it's tough to
punt on the women in sports thing though, cause the
member we talked about this, there's a different principle at stake,
which is it's one thing if you don't want to
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Welcome back in Clay and Buck. We are joined now
by John James. He is I hope and we'll work
to try and make this happen. The next governor of
the great State of Michigan. He is the Republican nominee
and he is out on the campaign trail. We've had
him on the program before. Let me start before we
dive into a question here by just saying congratulations. The
(19:16):
last time I saw you, I think was at mar
A Lago, and you knew you were in for a
tough battle in the primary. Now that you have won
that primary again, congratulations. What needs to happen for you
to become the next governor of Michigan.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Well, first of all, I'll glory to God and as
a team effort, the thing that needs to happen is
that Republicans need to show up to vote.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
But we've always asked the call.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Clay Republican Party was founded to stand up to slavery
and hold this nation together, and now in Michigan we
are being called again to stand up to socialism and
hold this nation together. We have a destiny and it's
to make sure that we're protecting this republic. And it's
just I mean, because you even plan it on our
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary and on the eve of
(20:06):
the twenty fifth anniversary of nine to eleven, to be
reminded how special we are in the charts. That we
have to stand in defense of our republic. These are
the types of things that truly matter and in order
for not just meet to win before all of us,
all ten million in the state of Michigan and all
three hundred and twenty five million of us around the country,
is we have to stand to end socialism and save
(20:27):
our republic. And I'm excited to be at the tip
of the sphere here at Michigan.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
You know, John, it's always nice when we get to
talk to somebody who's trying to be the governor because
in your specific state, right you're going to this if
you were going to the Senate, let's say we had
Mike Rodgers on earlier this week, you're one of one
hundred votes, and you know you're going to try to
represent your state. If you're the governor of Michigan, you
get to do real things in Michigan, right, You actually
get to execute on plans. What are those plans. What
(20:58):
is the top of the agenda for you? And I'm
also wondering just what you could speak to with regard
to the state of the Michigan economy right now and
what you would do to take it either to the
next level or to help it recover or whatever you
think the proper description would be.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Yeah, focus on keeping number one number one, and that's
on the people of the state of Michigan. Economic development
is more about flesh and blood than it is about
brick and mortar. Focusing on things to increase affordability, specifically
lowering taxes, lowering regulations, and those are going to help
lower healthcare costs, lower energy costs, lower housing costs.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Also, focus on safer streets.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Not only holding activist judges, das and prosecutors accountable for
allowing violent criminals back out on the street, but holding
those violent criminals accountable, keeping them behind bars, and making
sure that we prioritize the rights of victims over the
feelings of these convicts and criminals. And then finally, excellent schools.
Our children deserve to have excellent schools, and under the
(21:57):
current regime with no accountability, we have system where kids
can't read forty fourth in the nation where fourth graders
can't read. What that ends up meaning is we're sentencing
seventy percent of our children to a life of teen pregnancy,
prison or worse. Our kids deserve better, and I believe
it starts by giving parents a choice.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You give parents a choice, you give children a chance, and.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Good excellent schools is the civil rights issue of our time.
By being able to focus on those things, that's going
to make Michigan better for everyone. In the second part
of your question, Michigan was just recently ranked forty sixth
in the entire country. That's forty six out of fifty.
Now Democrats going to run around blaming President Trump, but
(22:41):
there are forty five states doing better than us, and
we all.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Have the same president.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Our education system is forty fifth, our infrastructure is forty third,
and again our state is forty sixth. Overall, that's eleven
spots less behind California. And so all we're going to
be doing is focusing on the fundamentals and frankly doing
the things that the red states run by Republican governors
are doing, where our children are fleeing to for better opportunity.
(23:07):
It's going to be hard work, but it really is
simple common sense over crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I love that slogan, common sense over crazy. Team. Can
you pull up this audio because I want to let
John James react to it. I know you're not running
against abdul Lsied, but the fact that he was a
nomination on the Senate side are Yeah, you're all running
against him. Mike Rodgers put out a great video this
(23:32):
morning saying, Hey, everybody out there who's a Democrat, understand
where that party is gone. You and I had a
dinner or drinks at on mckinaw Island last fall. I
was speaking up at the Republican event. Tutor Dixon was
with us, your wife was.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
There.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Was an awesome event. We talked about how you could
win the governorship and how impactful that could be. The
reason why I bring it up. I don't know if
you've this yet. It's gone viral. Abdul l Sayed was
in a documentary. He's walking on mckinaw Island and guys,
do we have that audio that we can play for
John James. Here here he is saying that he hates
(24:13):
mckinawe Island for Michiganders. I think this is going to
resonate as he's just not like us listen.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So much.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
It's funny because like, if we win, this is gonna
be the like summer home.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I just gonel Like every time I've ever come here,
I've hated. It's why am I here? Okay? So for
people who are not from Michigan, maybe you haven't been
there before. This is an iconic place. You and I
had dinner drinks there. This is a place that Michigan's,
of all Michiganders, of all different stripes and persuasions, come
to and celebrate pure Michigan. You've talked about it. I've
(24:49):
talked about it. Northern Michigan in the summer is one
of the greatest places on the planet. What does this say?
Why does something like this matter? How does it reflect
the Democrat Party not being connected to the average person
from Michigan.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
This is why I say that we're running against We're
running against and we're running against extremism. We're running against socialism,
we're running aast anti Semitism. We're running against people who
hate Michigan itself. We're running against people who hate our
way of life. They hate everything we are, they hate
everything that we stand for.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
They do it openly. They want to tear it down.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
They hate beauty, We hate light, we hate the taking
your freedoms, but we hate people who will come in
here and change our culture and rip our constitution in
our republic down to its studs. We are about bringing
all ten million Michiganders together toward a future where our
children can have a better life and we can enjoy
(25:42):
the great beauty of our state and restore hope in Michigan.
It's insulting that someone would hate the symbols of what
bring us together and the beauty that resides around our state,
most notably the people, and still expect our vote. We're
giving an alternative. We're going to be restoring beauty in Michigan,
(26:05):
protecting and standing up for Macanall and making sure that
everyone can enjoy all of it for a long time
to come.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
John, if I could ask you about something else, You're
a veteran, a combat veteran, a as I understand it,
a rotary wing aviator. Right, You're an Apache. You're a
patchy guy, Am I correct?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
That's awesome?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Is better?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Is better?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yes? I mean, if you want to talk any smack.
My father in law is a retired Fateen pilot naval aviator.
If you want to talk any smack about fixed wing,
by the way, your time now is your time, go
for it. You know, I just I watch you guys
go back and forth. You know, fixed wing, rotary wing.
It's amazing, it's amazing. How about you both also will
lean on your specific military expertise on both sides for
(26:50):
like which one is harder? You know what I mean?
I stayed in the middle. I'm like, guys, you know,
a planes flying, I can't do it. I just hope
the plane lands when I'm on it. That's all I know.
But one thing, I mean obvious. See the fact that
you're veteran, a combat veteran. It's fantastic and we greatly
appreciate you. We thank you for that. Why hasn't there
been a great rotary wing top gun if you will,
(27:10):
Apache helicopters are like flying tanks. They're actually amazing pieces
of machinery. I feel like, you know, yeah, you got
to be governor, but you've also got to tell the clay.
We got to talk to some people here. There needs
to be a top gun for helicopters because Apache and.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
There actually has been. It's actually called I think it's Thunderbirds.
I think Nick Cage starred in it. Is some back
in the eighties or nineties. It's like our only movie.
But when I man, you are.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Blowing Block's mind right now that he doesn't know about
a military movie with Nicholas Cage in it, like you
should see it.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I mean I probably don't know because it's a Nicholas
Cage misterary movie.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But Firebirds, And when I get elected, I.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Bought Firebirds our team just point it's nineteen ninety. Firebirds
is the movie. That's the movie?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Is that right here?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You go fire Yes?
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yes, when I'm governor, I'll give the secretary call see
if we can shoot a sequel here and here in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Was it good though, Firebirds?
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Like should I go check this out? Or was it
like air Wolf which had a cool theme song but
didn't really get it done?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Alf Airwolf? Airwolf was great? Was it Stringfellow Hawk?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
It was?
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Uh, it was flying around and and blowing up bad guys. Yeah,
that's that's kind of what we did. I was in
a rock for a while, and uh, we fought some
of the same extremism that you're now seeing creep into
America and Michigan right now. I mean, we were told
that if we went to go fight it over there,
we wouldn't have to fight it here. And uh and
because we had open borders, because we have leftist politicians
(28:45):
who refuse to tell the truth and don't have the
courage do the right thing. It's not just on our borders,
it's inside our house. And so it's incumbent upon us
to make sure that we're continuing to tell the truth,
that we're continuing to fight for beauty. We're continuing to
stand by all three hundred and twenty five million of
us in the country, all ten million of us in
the state, to make sure that we keep folks who
(29:06):
are willing to abide by our laws, assimilate with our
culture and respect our constitution to continue to stay here
and thrive. And others well, frankly, they can pursue their
own goals elsewhere, but certainly not in our house.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Claik real quick blue thunder is also a hell that's
from nineteen eighty three, though, so there have been a couple,
but they did not leave a lasting impression. Clay your floor.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, yeah, you're talking about common sense and I'm sure
you've been following this because I know you're a sports
fan as well, and I know you got kids. Yes, black, white, Asian, Hispanic.
I think every man in America, certainly men in Michigan,
think this idea that men should be able to play
in the WNBA that has suddenly become a scendant is
(29:53):
absolutely moronic and evidence of how far left wing the
Democrat Party has become. Sometimes you can unify people on
issues such as these, even if they don't agree with
you on tax policy or immigration policy, because it cuts
through the noise. I'm curious as you go around in
Michigan and talk to people of all different backgrounds guys
(30:15):
and gals, but white, black, Asian, Hispanic, I bet you
hear from a lot of Michigan people this idea of
boys and girls sports is absolutely bonkers, insane. We just
had Riley gaines On responding to Meghan Rapino, but this
has turned into a huge story since Sophie Cunningham spoke out.
What are your voters in Michigan saying about this and
do you find that it is an entry point to
(30:37):
talking to people that might not be traditional Republican voters?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, I can tell you how our voters are thinking,
but I can also tell you how Sharon James raised me.
You don't ever hit a girl. And right now, the
modern leftists are advocating for a position where biological men
can dominate biological women. Now, I fundamentally have a problem
with that. Look, as far as our kids are concerned,
I want our kids to play sports, but we need
(31:03):
to make sure that biological girls are competing with biological girls,
and biological boys are competing with biological boys. Is not
just a matter of tradition, it's a matter of safety.
It's a matter of making sure that we have fairness,
whether it's a level playing field out on the pitch,
or whether it's the sanctity, the purity and the safety
of locker rooms.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I'm a big advocate of Title nine. That needs to.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Be protected, and anybody who would get in the way
of that is a civil rights violation, in addition to
I believe a moral violation. We absolutely have to protect
our girls. And as far as adults are concerned, Look,
if you are a consenting adult and you're.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Doing your thing, it's a free country. That's between you
and God.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
But as far as the kids are concerned, don't try
to twist their minds, don't try to steal their success,
and certainly don't try to put them in harm's way.
I will always stand up for fairness, but that is
especially fairness and safety for our girls and making sure
that biological boys are competing with biological boys, biological girls
(32:06):
competing with biological girls, and we're making sure we have
safety and fairness for all ten million Michigans.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Amen, John James, get out supported. How can people who
are listening to us right now that want to help
you get elected governor? How can they have that impact?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Two things. Number One, go out there and share the message.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
We need to get as many patriots off their patio
to go vote for the right thing to take our
state back. And second, go to John JAMESMI dot com.
That's John JAMESMI dot com, his in the lib ballist
on socials.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Love to have you in the family.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Thanks a lot, awesome, good luck, congratulations. I'm sure we'll
be talking to you throughout the fall.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Perfect God bless s take care.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Look, there are a lot of families out there in
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guys should check it out. Okay, let's get some funny
calls here to close the hour. Douglas in northern New Jersey,
fire away. What was your My French class name, as
I confessed yesterday, was Gerard Bonaparte. Your French class name
was what Douglas?
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Well, they're ours were assigned by the teachers, So if
your name was Bill, you were Guillome, or they were
assigned by our first names, and if you were John,
you were Jean. But my name is Douglas, and there's
no derivation for that in French. So she just assigned
the Douglass, which I thought kind of sucked. So after
(35:52):
a few weeks I raised my hand in class. I said, madam,
I do not wish to be called Douglass anymore. And
look to me. She said, well, what do you want
to be called? I said, from here on in, I
wish to be called Legrand from Marge.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And that is great. With that, very nice, very good.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I email from Rick, you want to do this real quick?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I was gonna, well, you can tell Philip and Bobby
that we want them to give us talkbacks because they
are great, but we are running out of time. What's
the email.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah, we got just email from Rick. Guys, I want
to let you know about ten million veterans. Just went
and checked out the trailer. Trailer for Firebirds with Nicholas
Cage and Tommy Lee Jones. Looks pretty good. I did
not know there was a helicopter movie with Tommy Lee
Jones and Nicholas Cage called Firebirds.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Clay, I might have a movie to check out this weekend.
Bobby was going to tee off on your high school.
I want to hear this talkback. Maybe we can get
to it later
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