Best of the Bus: Maxx Crosby On Being The Biggest All-Pro Snub + Tom Brady In Vegas

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up boys on this best of the Bus episode,
a series where we drop a best of every Saturday
and recap some of our favorite episodes, throwing it all
the way back to when Max Crosby came on the bus.
The boys were in Vegas before the twenty twenty three
season with the one and only Max Crosby, Mad Max
just elite specimen specimen of a pass rusher in the NFL.

(00:25):
Max opened up about his goals and how he's leveling
up for next season and what it was like playing
with Ab and DeVante Adams. He also gets real on
the Derek Carr situation. He will drop a monologue that'll
make you run three brick wall and get your piss hot.
Big hugs, tiny kisses. Enjoy this episode.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Bust with
the Boys. Obviously, we are not on the bus right now.
We are in a pristine locationknown unknown in Las Vegas, Nevada,
at the home of the legendary Max Cross. And if
you're at home right now, go ahead and give him
a round of applause.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
We'll do it too.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Appreciate you, guys, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
This is an outstanding place. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, when did you move into this residence?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
We moved into May.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah, I lived about three minutes away before and me
and Rachel were looking at houses for a long time
and it was a very stressful Brooklyn, very stressful situation.
You know, We're going back and forth arguing I'm done.
You know. I was at the point where I'm like,
I'm done looking at houses, like until I get my contract,
Like I'm done. And then all of a sudden, my

(01:37):
boys come in town. We're going to the UFC event
that weekend, and Rachel's like, there's this one house we
got to see, you know whatever. I'm like, I'm done.
I'm seriously, I'm done. I'm done looking at houses. She
pulls me in the car. We're going. We drive around
the corner and that was it. We literally put an
offer on this house that that same day. So really
and this is this house.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Yeah, there is a weird was that I said. He
knew that bag was coming.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
He knew the BA.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
But when the bag is not secured yet, you do
start playing the game of like, man, I wonder where
I could get and you start, you get on the
Zillow app and you're looking.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
At the things. All right, this is what I can
get right now.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
But if I get this contract, I could go and
get that that it's a crazy game you play in
your head.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yes, it's the best.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Was that like a stressful time for you? Like before
contract stuff was.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Like I wouldn't say stressful, Like it was honestly like
a good stress Like you know, the situation like it's hard,
you don't know, like you want to get to your number,
like you're really hell bent, okay on this boom, I'm
not going below this. But then in the situation, like
when it really came down to it, I you know,
you're never going to get exactly what you want. But

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at the end of the day, like I got enough
where I don't have to you know what I mean,
I don't have to worry about money anymore. So like
that's the ultimate goal. But it's you know, for me,
it's not really about the money. Like my I've always
heard from coaches everything, like they're like the second contracts
what the NFL is all about. And for me, like
I've always thought about, I always try to do above

(03:06):
and beyond, Like my goal is to get a third contract,
like I want to be the highest paid in a
few years. Like that's that's my ultimate goal. So like
this contract was a big deal for me, Like I'm set,
but at the end of the day, like I want
to reset the market. So like that's like my goal
for sure, one of my goals. How long are you
want to play? Twelve to probably twelve to thirteen just depending.
I honestly don't know, but like I don't, like we

(03:28):
just talked about, I don't ever want to step on
the field and feel like like not like myself. Like
that's what I'll know, Like if I get to that point,
gonna be done.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Because there are players that, like young, when they're younger
in their career, they play super hard. Like we were
in the car driving here, and like the adjective I
think we use for you is like, did you play relentless?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
You play hard?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
And when sometimes when dudes play that hard, dead puts
some wear on the tires. And then dudes get older
and they have to change up their game a little bit,
and you're not you don't want to sacrifice that.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
No, No, you know, honestly, I've I've always kind of
had that mindset, like ever since I, you know, started
playing football. Like I truly believe there's only one way
to play. And yeah, if I if I'm playing and
being cautious about jumping in piles and things like that,
like I probably shouldn't be playing. And yeah, like I
just want to look back in my career and be like, yeah,

(04:19):
he put a great body of work. I don't want
the last thing they remember it is like my old
ass trying to bend the edge and falling over and
stuff like that's the last thing I want, you know,
for me, I really want to go out on my terms,
because there's most guys don't. And that's kind of the
hard thing about this business. Like I you know, I'm
not in control. I don't know you know, what's going
to happen in the future, but like I know the

(04:40):
preparation I put into it. I do everything I can
to try to be at my best and be able
to play that way. So you know, that's kind of
my my long term goals. But I'm just literally just
trying to stay in the present. That's it.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Yeah, it's almost like how do you know? You know
what I mean? Like if you're if you end on
if you end on a high note, right, the competitive
nature in everybody is you continue to go. It's like,
I don't feel like you would actually find out if
you've lost a step unless you had a year where
it's like, oh yeah, maybe maybe I don't have it
like I did the year before, year prior. So it's
almost like how do you know? Because you're almost you're

(05:15):
also addicted to all the success as well. Yeah you
know what I mean, Like, how do you feel like
you would know?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
I don't know. I feel like like that's a great question.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
His oldest being around the edge. I feel like that
wouldn't happen unless it's like week fifteen, if maybe your
last season and you're like, fuck, maybe I am slowing down.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah no, that's that's true. You never, like I feel
like you're never gonna know, like exactly. But it's just
like like JJ, like I feel like it's a mental
thing too, like you know when you're done. Like there's
guys like I feel like there's certain like even I
know Sean McVay, Like I don't know all the story,
but like I know how he works and people talk
about his work ethic like he's like when he's in it,

(05:52):
like Seas twenty four to seven, he doesn't stop, and
like people are saying he might take a break, and
there's rumors of that just because of how he is.
So like if I ever get to that point where
I'm like sick of it and like I'm really not
enjoying it, and I'm you know, I'm at that point
where it's like I'm you know, I've already I've given
everything I got to it, Like it's time to just
you know, call it a career. Like I know that.

(06:13):
I feel like I'll know when that day comes. Like
even jj Watt, like you've seen he's bawling like he
had just had twelve and a half sackses here and
he's just like I'm done, but he knows he kind
of hit that limit. He played what twelve years.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yeah, that's Brady.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, Well it's different though, Like he's he's not taking
big yets running and putting his shoulders and shit, so
like that's different. Like I feel like, especially playing up front,
you know Taylor, like it's a lot and it's every
single day in practice, like a quarterback's not taking any
damage during the week. They're not doing it during the
offseason like we do it all the time all year round.
So yeah, like my goal, Like there's there's main goals

(06:48):
I want to hit, Like I want to be the
Raiders all time sack leader, Like that's something that's like
big on my checklist. Like there's a lot of things
that I want to hit before I'm done. So yeah,
you know, I'm just gonna stay in the present. That's
all i can do. But when that day comes, I
feel like I'll know what is the all time sack
leading I think it's one oh seven and a half
Greg Townsend.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
So you're at one hundred sacks year ten eight? Yeah,
let's say okay, yeah, yeah, let's say you're at a
hundred sacks year eight, but you're losing a step, but
you need seven sacks to get that all time sack.
Do you come back the next year to get to
check your boxes where you feel like you're close?

Speaker 3 (07:26):
You know what I'm saying. I like this is different.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Like if I'm in year eight and I feel like
I'm losing a step, then maybe I'm not doing something right,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Like maybe that's.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Weelie, you're so fucking relentless all the time, Like maybe you.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Know, nah, that's I'm still young, bro, like I'm twenty
five and I'm going into my fifth year, you know
what I mean, Like if I'm not if like just
looking at it from like there's you look at the
Kobe's the gods like that, like they work relentlessly. They
were able to play twenty years. I know it's a
different sport, but like even the NFL guys, like I know,
injuries are injuries happen, like that's a part of it.
But you know, I feel like if you do all

(07:59):
the right things, you carry your body, do sleep well,
recover well, do all the shit right, you practice right,
keep keep ahead of things, like you'll be fine. And
and that's how like I played almost eleven hundred snaps
this year, Like I played a ton of snaps, but like.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
I feel good, like I could go.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
I could start training tomorrow if I really wanted to,
but I have to force myself to slow down. So
like I'm not fucking stupid. I don't think like I'm
above other people, and I don't, you know what I mean,
That's not how I look at it, but like I
just I feel like if I just keep doing the
right things, but I'll be able to kind of control
my destiny.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
And I was more trying to give it a hypothetical love
you're slowing down, but you're also right there on the
cusp of a couple of those check checks.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I'm going to yeah, I'm going to get I'm will play.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
One year and if I go and out four sacks,
then yeah it's time. But like I'm a yeah, I'm
a definitely, you're right.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
I guess it would be like, you know, it wouldn't
be like year twelve or thirteen, where.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, thirty seven and a half, Okay, that's pretty all right.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
What are other goals on that?

Speaker 4 (08:58):
What are other goals on that list?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
There's that oh my bad, uh put it to your mouth.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
There's a few like that, Like I want to be
in the Hall of Fame. That's something I want to
be in. I want to be the Raiders all time
sack leader. You know, there's there's a lot of things.
I can't say everything, but like there's like the main
goals like I want to be definitely do that, but
I want to I want to have a career where

(09:31):
like when people look back, like the biggest thing for me,
like the numbers and shit is cool, Like the jacket,
all that shit's cool, but like my main focus is
like trying to impact the way the game is played.
Like I feel like in the NFL now there's a
there's only a few guys that you really look at
and are like, damn, he's just fucking he's different. I
don't know what it is, like just the way he plays,

(09:51):
Like I watch like Chris Jones and like Michael Parsons
and those guys, like there's just something different when they're
out on the field, Like it's like a presence, and
like that's what I want to lead back. Like when
people look back and talk about me, they're not going
to talk about the stats at the end of the day.
They don't talk about Lawrence Taylor's sacks. They talk about
when that dude is on the field, he's a fucking
animal like and that's that's that's the way I look
at it, Like inspiring kids, Inspiring kids, Like I want

(10:14):
to be that guy that kids want to be like
like I want That's that's what matters most to me.
So if it's six years and I feel like I'm
losing a step, like then it is what it is
like and I and I'll know I'm done. But like
at the end of the day, like I feel like
the impact I leave on the game, I want to
be I want to bring that back, like the old
school way of playing football, flying to the ball, not
giving a ship, like throwing my body Like that's that's

(10:34):
what I feel like is missing nowadays.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
For sure from an inspiration standpoint, when you were playing
at Eastern Michigan of all places in Ipsilany, which is wild,
like how you were there.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Shot at the boys and its way better than the bast.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Man until this year, until this like when you're when
you're playing, like obviously the first person that comes to
mind somebody you've already like two or three times as
JJ Watt, was that like your guy at Eastern?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
No, not at Eastern. I liked.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
I was a big JJ fan, like when I first
started playing DM, Like my first year playing DM was
I was a senior in high school, so I was
new to the position. I'm like, who's the best at
what I do? So like JJ at that time was
like Superman. So I definitely I like watching JJ. But
there's a ton of guys like I love Jared Allen
growing up. There's a ton and it's not just defensive

(11:30):
ends like I played growing up. I was a middle
linebacker the whole time until my senior year. So like,
you know, I could go on and on about different players,
but yeah, I watch everybody, and I just I want
to be like unique, like somebody not just another guy,
another hard working, Like I going to be somebody to
look back. It is like damn, like in that time,
like this dude was just different than most dudes.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Because JJ was one of those dudes who like fought
through the fringe. Like when I first got to Tennessee,
it was like that was when JJ was was JJ.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
It was terrifying.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
And then you know, he went through like a three
four years where he like played six games, played nine games,
like didn't really play a whole lot, and he could
have easily been where we've been. What we've been talking
about was like is he losing a step? Yeah, and
he goes back to the Cardinals and like, you say,
you had twelve sacks this year, but LOOKI was balling
this year.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
It's a competitive I feel like it's like that competitive fire.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Like also the fight of being like this can't be
the end for me, Like I need to make this
comeback real.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
But you're in it. Though, like you're in your own
Like some people could objectively say, like maybe you are
losing a step, but I guess only you know. But
then that's obsession of being so uber competitive. Maybe you
don't necessarily know it, but you keep going back right
for sure.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
And that's the thing too. Guys like the game you
evolve like over time, like especially like even if some
guys are a little bit older, that's the thing too.
Like my game is from my rookie year to now,
it's like pull it, you know what I mean, I've gone.
It's not even like the same person I watched my film,
So even I feel like it's when you get older, too,
Like you see a guy like this I always refer

(12:55):
to the NBA, but like you see James Harden, like
he used to be dropping forty a game every night
and now he's like a pass first, he's leading the
league and assist because he's lost the step, but he's
also like the best passer in the league now and
he's just evolved as a player. So yeah, I feel
like that's the thing. Like I have this vision of
what I want by handing to look like and how
it's gonna be, but like I truly don't know, Like

(13:16):
I really don't know. I just I just try to
stay stay in the day, bro, And if I can
maximize every day and do what I do, like it's
just gonna work out the way it's supposed to. You know,
it's not that's not under my control.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Going now, you're right.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
I was gonna switch a subject, but if you're staying
on there, No, I was just I was.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Playing till Like everyone everyone really has this, like everyone's
writing their own little story in their head and they're
like they're narrating their own story. Like if I do this,
like it's gonna look like this, and like you're literally
watching yourself daydream of how it's all going to end.
Everyone plays it out, and you're right, like a lot
of dudes can't go out in their own terms. Like
a lot of people like uh, Like for me, two
acls in three years, it's like I was on top
of the world before that, and I thought, oh man,

(13:54):
I'm getting this jacket, Like we're gonna keep going and
things just switch up on you and you have to
learn to pivot and be happy with what you done.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, what's it?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (14:02):
What's it like being Brian Baldinger is one of his
favorite players. I feel like my man is always shouting
you out because of what you talk about the impact
on the game. I feel like he does a great
job of spotlighting that and showing that the commodore whether
or not you're getting this stat of a sack, the
way you affect the game. What's it like like having
a legend like that talk about you multiple times throughout

(14:24):
the year.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
You know, ever since my rookie year, for some reason,
like my first game that I really got to play
in was an Indianapolis game. I think it was week
four of my rookie year, and he put a video
out and he made up the condor nickname and all
this stuff, and I was like throwing off.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
I'm like, damn likely juicy.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
He narrates that stuff like he's some fire. The comment,
the whole thing is classic. So it's like when he's
first started doing that, like I reached out back to
him and I was like, man, I was like, I appreciate.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
It means the world.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
And then you know, I just as my career's gone,
he's always doing videos and now like we'll talk like
before you know, after a game. I'll be like, go
go watch what I did on this third down, and
he'll check it out and be like and we'll just
have conversations back and forth.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
He loves he.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Loves football, bro. And that's that's the type of people
I like to like to associate myself with. So, you know,
like Marinelli and those guys, Like I talked to Marionelli
to this day every day, Like I was just saw
him in Texas. I was just on the phone with
them like two hours ago. Like he's one of those
guys that like I need in my life to keep
Like everybody has those people, especially like in your sport,

(15:34):
that you like just have a different level of respect
for and like Baldy and like Marinelli, those guys like
I constantly even when I'm not training, like right now,
I have a couple of weeks to kind of get
off my feet, like just I need it, Like it's
my part of like my addiction, Like I love playing football.
So having those guys just talkball and just feed me
knowledge is really cool.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
How do you get the commodore nickname the condor Condors comedy?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
What is a commando that like down Dude's similar?

Speaker 5 (16:09):
I mean, yeah, similar schools.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
How did you get that nickname?

Speaker 4 (16:13):
It was just from Baldinger. I think it was that. Yeah,
I guess the wingspan you.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Do have like a solid cave man like knuckles touch
and knees.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
That's a big that's a big compent. You want them.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Them things are flying to when you're yeah, I've I've
heard a lot of different weird you watch your film.
You see them in the.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Right guard when you're playing.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
See that's the funny thing. Bro, Like and this is weird,
and y'all can believe me or not. But when I
went to the combine, I'm like, you know, everyone's always
told me that, like, bro, you got long arm, like
your long athlete. I went to the combine, I was
like almost the bottom. When it came to wingspan, they
were like, I swear to god, they had articles uh
the Eastern Michigan Because like, I did good at the

(16:59):
combines with people start talking about me more. But they're like, yeah,
I don't know his wingspan short and blah blah blah.
And I'm like, what was your It was like it
was like six ten wingspan. I don't know my arm length.
It was like I tell you six five oh.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I think it's a dub.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Right.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
If your wingspan is longer than your boy.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Know, that's what you got them, Stubby wings wrestler in
his podcast to relax, you got to pull his shoulders way.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
I'm trying to hit that ball the other day in
the shop and all I can't. I can't get it started.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I'm like, I gotta kind of bounce the ball.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
You do, got them little stuff, but they make your
arms are bigger though that way, like long arms, the
arms don't look as big.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, but I don't know. It's weird. Brota small torsos, right,
there's got to be something wrong. I think I got
a small torso. I think I got wide shoulders that
make my arm seem longer.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
You got no fucking yo. That's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Okay, Eastern Michigan. How did you end up there? It's
funny you brought this up.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
So yesterday my d line coach from Eastern called me
and he, uh, you know, we're just chopping it up
talking talking ball and whatever, and somehow he brings it up.
He's like, yeah, you know, you know, it's hilarious. You know,
we we've been interviewing a new D line guy because
he's going to move to linebackers there at Eastern and Out.
They're getting a new D line coach. And he was like,

(18:25):
Coach Creighton, my head coach. He started this thing. In
his interview process. He puts up five high school players
film and shows the D line coaches and has him
ranked the D lineman. He puts, like, whatever, one of
the guys that are trying to recruit. He puts my
film in there from my high school, like when I
was in high school, and he puts, like, you know,
four other random guys. He said, So my D line coach,

(18:49):
my old D line coach told me yesterday he said,
every single coach ranks me at like fourth or fifth
from my school day.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
And I'm dying laughing and they don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
And then they're like, yeah, you know that's Max Crosby, right,
and they're like they all get awkward, awkward, But.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
You just guys sit there at that meeting. I'm not
getting this job. It's over.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
But that's that's kind of like bro I was a
late bloomer, Like I was a I was a linebacker
all the way up to my senior year. Then we
got these new coaches, and I had a big roastpurt,
but like my body, I wasn't caught up, like Bro,
my knees were hurt and I was slow twitch as fucked.
Like if you watched my high school film and be like, yeah,
I'm not surprised he went to Eastern, like I was surprised.
I got a D one offer. They were the only

(19:29):
d one to offer me. Bro, They're my only offer
in general. So like I got that offer, I jumped
on it, committed and boom and then yeah, are you
a basketball guy?

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah? I played basketball? Yeah I could. I could buckets
playing the paint. I was.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
I was like a you know, like a stretch for
kind of guy. I could shoot, I could shoot the ball.
I sort of God, I would I rather shoot than
be on the block. Like, I'm not a back to
the basket gay. I'm catching the ball at the top.
You can't get to the lane hammer paint guy, Absolutely not,
you can't. I can rebound, but like, I'm not back
to the basket old school George, Mike and come on.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
Can you dribble?

Speaker 4 (20:08):
I'm not gonna hide. But I have the serbian my mom.
Serbian is it's translated to the court.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Can you do the dribble between your legs?

Speaker 5 (20:17):
Can you dunk?

Speaker 3 (20:19):
I could go right there? And women talking about the
other hoop? We have a court back then?

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Is it even regulation?

Speaker 2 (20:25):
That's probably a feet, Yeah, it's got to be a feet.
Can you do the thing where you bounce the ball
and you pick your shirt up and the ball goes
in and you slap it and it goes around.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
And one mixed day. Yeah, I don't think I can
do that.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
You think you're the best basketball player on the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Yeah, I think guys would tell you that too. I'm
I'm not gonna hide myself up. But we've all played again.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
I see you over there getting a little You keep
like twitching a little bit like I can get. Yeah,
make you a little triggered that we're kind of questioning
your back.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Yeah, it hurts, but it's it's normal for you know,
being a white guy. They will always question you at first,
But then you go on the court and you fucking.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Everywhere.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, you are, you are tatted? Is uh? What's it
like playing defense being white?

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Is that tough?

Speaker 5 (21:07):
I remember when Taylor calls you, Oh, he's just another
normal white guy out.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
There on the Field.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Actually Will told me that story. I forgot that even happened,
explaining that what happened that day, because I don't remember
when saying that to you. Remember, No, I really don't.
You told me My whole focus in that game was you.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
When we were playing.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
You literally told me we were pulling up, You're like,
was Max a guy where I said, uh, there's just
another white guy?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
No, but yeah, because you've told me that story. But
I remember in the moment saying that. I remember him
saying that to you.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
Finally got you guys here together. Max, Will let me
down on like how much money I think I know
I was telling you, I'll give you two hundred dollars
per sack you got on.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Taylor or something like that. Yeah, at work. I got
the Titans back this year though, So I was proud
and I love veryble.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Know about it. Did you really?

Speaker 4 (21:55):
I was talking on the whole game. You're just sitting
there on the sideline of his hands on his knees
after y'all try to run that weird reverse boot ship
and I just yeah, it was like on a third
down and I just jetted smoked Tannehill and I looked
to the silent Rabel just looking. He was right there.
I was like, stop running that ship at me, stop
running that ship. And he's like okay, shaking his head

(22:16):
and ship okay. But I fuck with verbel Bro. He's
one of those coaches. This is random, off topic, but
he like he text me all the time. He's cool
as ship. He was my coach of the Pro Bowl
last years.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Yeah, you gotta respect that third contract.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
You just gotta build relationships. Bring you to Nashville with
the boys. I don't know about that, but.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Fantastic and Blue never know, you never know. Yeah, I'm
happy where I'm not.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
You're doing the boys in that show.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Wouldn't you if they didn't want me here anymore? Yeah?
Of course, but I think, uh, I think it's gonna
work out.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Just dude, Rab.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
You don't know Rabel like we know veryble because he'll
go in meetings like on Wednesdays and Thursdays and pull
it tape and just dummy guys, like just verbally assault them.
And I remember playing I think it was that your
rookie hear we played in Oakland. That's when we played
each other. He would put you on the film and
there wasn't really a bad thing because you play hard. Yeah,
and there wasn't a bad thing. He's like this loud
mouth motherfucker, like just like a circle room was like

(23:17):
this guy he can't fucking touch the quarterback. Fuck this
guy like going off about you the whole time. And
that's got to be a great feeling because I've had
the same thing with like Bill O'Brien and Bill O'Brien
be like a seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
He is a fake tough guy and that that hurt
every time.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
Remember I remember going through in the defensive meeting that week,
like the same kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Similarity, he's gonna try to get the whole time. Yeah,
it's funny, but that's like I have. You know how
the NFL is. You have friends on all the different teams.
You know, a bunch of guys, Like that's the funniest
ship when you sit there and talk after the season
and they're like, yeah, in our meeting, you know, we
circled you and just kind of hearing what other teams
have to say about you, Like that's interesting. You know,

(23:58):
everybody has their own kind of perspective on who you
are as a guy. There's some teams that think I'm
the biggest piece of shit on the planet.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Like really, of course, like he's so loud, I'm loud,
and he he makes a play, He's like what motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, I can't help myself. I love it like I'm loud.
But that's like there's there's certain teams that you could
tell like they're trying to fuck me up, like the
Niners team, Like the Niners coach and all them, they
like buttered me up all week. They're like, man, besides Bosa,
he's you know, he's probably the best guy. Once we
got to the game, they tried to send the fucking
house at me.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
They were doing Bro just different, weird, like the Niners blocking,
like the schemes and shit they do. I've never experienced
anything like it. Like Bro, they were tackle tight end
both going down and the guard would fucking like they
were coming at angles.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
You didn't even know where the fuck they were coming from. Bro.
It was just different.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
But like that's the thing, Like that's the coolest thing
about the league is like being in a position, you
know how it is like you're on an island the
whole game. You don't even have to worry about it.
So like that's your responsibilities. For me, it's the opposite.
I know, Oh they're going to be sending shit at me,
and it's like it's a different type of challenge every week.
And all the offensive coordinators they all got a different
way of approaching and it's it's cool because after the

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games they'll talk about, Yeah, we're trying to fuck you
up and we're trying to do this, and I'm like, oh,
you got me on this, but fucked you up on
that play. Yeah, it's cool, man, That's that's what.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
That's what leag Kyle Shanahan's so good watching their first
playoff game and the blocking teams are wild, wild, Like
there was what was the play? Oh, they like the
tight end like went out on the end and then
like flashed the end as if he wasn't like he's
gonna block them, then went away and then Trent was there.

(25:40):
That was when McCaffrey had like that long like fifty
five yard runs. But the blocking scheme was just so
unique and it's simple because you look as from offens
line like, oh, they're just running this play with like
these two little different things. But they do such a
good job of opening up holes. Yes, they got studs
all around.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
I was gonna say, yeah, that helps as well. When
you got fucking between Deebo and McCaffrey like those in
open field, there's probably there's you can't name anybody really
better than them, like you got tyreeks and shit like that.
But like McCaffrey and Deebo, like an open field, they're
fucking electric.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Bro dangerous.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Like playing against Trent Williams.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
He's a stud. Bro, he's a stud. It was fun though,
had we had some good battles.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Did you get one on him?

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yeah, I got a couple of I didn't get a
sack on him, but I had a nice little QB
hit on a little inside move. It felt good. No,
we were talking. He's cool as ship. He's talking like
just having conversation. But I usually I'm a line up
on the left, so like I'm going to get the
right tackle most of the time. So once I went over,
like we knew, like Trent's going to be on an island.

(26:42):
So during the game we kind of schemed it up
where Okay, Max, you're gonna play a little bit more
on Trent because you'll have more one on one opportunities
because they're gonna probably chip with the right tackle and stuff.
So I got to rush against him a couple of times.
But I've heard, well, I had some good rushes. He
has some good He's just a big motherfucker and he's athletics,
so it was a it was a good matchup.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
We we got the best of each other a few times.
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
You were telling that story on the plane about him
and Shawn Jackson.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
They were just his athletic ability. Yeah, Like there's one
offseason where we were in OTAs and they were basically
trying to narrow down who had like the fastest start.
So like every group, I mean, very subjective, but ten yards,
it's kind of hard to figure out who wins everyone,
but every position could go and then they would put
everybody together. But the final two were DeShawn Jackson and

(27:27):
Trent Williams because he could just get out like, he's
extremely athletic. They were talk about him playing. They would
talking about playing. They said he would when they would
play basketball. The why that he played like beyond the arc,
he'd win, They'll dunk like do all this stuff. He's
just like a super athlete. Bro.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
He's a freak.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Bro. He really is a freak. What about McGlinchey for
the Niners.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yeah, he's a big deal. He's a big guy.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
He's he's a little more stiff, but I feel like
he's an underrated cat, like he doesn't get enough respect.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yeah, I didn't know. I thought he was solid. You know.
It's that's a weird thing, like especially now, like I'm
like this year, especially like I played on the left
side majority of the time, and like early on when
me and Chandler are both going, like the chips would
go back and forth, so I would have some more
one on ones and shit, but Chan got hurt against Pittsburgh,

(28:20):
and like the last few games, it was like if
I wasn't moving around, like I'm getting there sliding and
they're chipping.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
So it was hard. It was really fucking difficult.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
To kind of get those true one on ones, and
especially when you're not up in games, like you don't
you know, there's it's a lot less you know, it's
a lot more predictable what they're doing. So no, I
got Yeah, Mike mcglinch, he's he's a big motherfucker. He
was he was solid. We definitely, yeah, we had we
had a good little, a little back and forth. It
was it was fun.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Bro. That's the thing with the Niners.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
There's certain teams BRO that like they just make it
really difficult for your D line and shit to get off.
And that's that's always the biggest challenge. Like the New
England's like, you know, when you're playing New when they're
gonna literally do everything they can to try to stop
this guy in this guy And like Tennessee's like that too.
I know Rabels come from the Patriot the Patriot way too,
So like I sit there and hear mcdaniels's like, okay,

(29:11):
Bosa right here. Every single time we're gonna slid, we're
gonna boom, we're gonna And I already know going into
the week, like I'm playing Bill Belichick, he's gonna try
to fuck me up every play. In Tennessee, I know
Vrabel's not gonna let me just go and try to
wreck the game. And that's I feel like that's as
years have gone on, like that's been a you know,
like in my game, like having to evolve, you have
to truly like you have to truly be on it

(29:32):
every single play because they're bringing more than one more
than more than less.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
It's got to be a hell of a compliment though. Yeah, yeah,
they're slide to me and chipping me. It's yeah, it's
gotta feel good.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
No, it's awesome, But at the same time, it's very frustrating.
Like that's that's like I feel like the biggest part,
Like in the past, like last year, like I was
getting in my head because I wasn't getting like I
was getting a shipload of pressures, but I wasn't getting home.
Like there was like a stretch right, like had six
games in a row where I didn't have a sack.
I was rushing my best, but I wasn't getting home
for some reason, And like that's the thing as a

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rusher that's so difficult.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Like there's no play called for you.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
You have to go earn every single stat every play,
every sack, every TfL.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
So like that's the challenge.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
And like people from the outside world, if you're not
getting sacks as a rusher, like they think you're you're
like not balling, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Like Chandler was balling and people were.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
On his head because his sack numbers were low, and
like you feel like Chandler was the same guy last
year that I was calling, like, bro, like I don't
know why I can't get a fucking sack and he's
helping me out. So like having Chan here this year,
like I was getting a lot of sacks and Chan was,
you know, going through it a little bit, and like
being able to be there for him is like it's
like crazy, bro, it goes full circle because like Chan

(30:44):
is a dude. I looked up two forever. He's one
hundred plus sacks and he's in year eleven and he's
like going through it, and it's like it's tough because
it just shows like as a rusher, like this shit
is really difficult and you have to appreciate every single
stat and everything you get because like you could rush
great for the whole game, but they could just be
getting rid of the ball. They could be you know
what I mean. It's just that's the tough part about it.

(31:06):
But that's also like the beauty in it when there's
a reason why sacks are like a big thing, because
it's not everything's got to go right. They got to
hold the ball, the cover's got to be on point,
everything's got to be you know, on point for you
to get home. So Chandler, Oh yeah, yeah, I forgot Yeah,
I forgot I forgot you. Chan is a fucking dog,

(31:28):
but I love as a human being. The dude is
one of the coolest dudes. Man.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
When I was playing him in twenty twenty one, he
had like four sacks that day, I gave up two
of them, and there was like the end of the game.
At that point in the game, I was at such
a low point. I was like, I just need to
get the fuck out.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Of here in regroup somehow. And he like rushed me
and he went.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
To pull away, and I had his chain and I
tore it off, and he's like, oh man, now I'm
really mad.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Now I'm really coming.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I'm like, hey, I like walking back to the huddle,
like you have four sacks, You're all right, Like just relax,
just relax for the That was the lowest football moment.
But look he even before I got hurt, I never
played him well. He always played really well against me.
Like my second year I played him, he was at
the Patriots and like the first third down, dude, he

(32:12):
takes me back to the quarterback strip sack fumble return
for a touchdown. That's how the game started. First series.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Well do you think he's always done so well? Like
what do you feel like makes him like he's.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I don't I think like if I were to play,
if I were to play him again, I would I
would vary up my sets more. He's so long and
he does a good job, like it looks like he's
always on a step cadence like one two bowl one
two three, like turn those shoulders. And he's really long too,
so short corners are not good against him, Like if
you get him too like nine and a half, he's

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got that capability to reach with the far arms and
get that quarter of that ball out. So it's like
he's got enough speed to where like I gotta respect this,
but also he can turn in power also and then
dudes that and I can't remember if you play like
this or not, but like he doesn't necessarily like play
like sound run defense, like so you like when you're

(33:04):
trying to shoot off the ball like we do a Tennessee,
he goes inside like he can jump around, like if
he has that kind of freedom, like that's an easy
way to like second guess yourself. And he he's, uh,
he's always been He's always played me well I think
of all the players, like he's been a guy that's
always kind of have my number.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, even before getting hurt. He's stud.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, there's always Got. There's always those guys in the league.
Every year you're like, okay, I know this about it.
This one day he's about to be Yeah, like I
gotta be on my ship and that's yeah. Chandler's just bro.
He's just unique. Like how he explained, he's got. He's
not fast, but he's got. He's not fast, and he'll
tell you that he knows he's not, but he's just
he's so long and he's so like he's just a

(33:44):
different athlete's like his brother, Like they're so long but
they're not fast and they probably they can't jump high,
but they're like freak athletes.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
I don't even know how to explain it.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
There, but like he's the game film is way different
than what you see, like combine numbers.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Would be exactly. He just he's just a unique, unique player.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
He was born to play football, dud dudes, stud you.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Met his brother, no, I haven't. No, I heard he's
gonna fight again.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Right, He's got He's got to brothers Arthur Smith, he
played in the league too.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah, the whole family. Whole family and the Yeah it's Arthur,
that's the coach of the Falcons.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
But uh, I who last name is John? Arthur Jones?

Speaker 5 (34:20):
Arthur Jones. I don't know why you said Smith, Yeah,
because he was my teammate, Arthur Smith and the brothers, right.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Like that's not even the same now, I don't think
that's the same.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Is he is he an athlete as well? He was,
he was he won a Super Bowl in Baltimore And
oh I didn't know that. Yeah, he's the oldest though.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
Yeah, he's the oldest as long as a career. But
like that whole family is just a breeding.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Brothers in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
That's that's ridiculous. Yeah, No, he's a stud man.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
And you're right, he's like an anomaly. Like you look
at him.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
He's got like the size like you like you look
like he must have a or torso as well, how
long his arms are long toist. But like he legit
like does like incredibly wacky, very unorthodox, extremely unorthodox Russia.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
But he just he does well.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
You mentioned earlier about the Patriot Way. What was it
like playing for coach McDaniels, what's it been like playing
for coach McDaniels transitioning from coach Pisacia last year. Obviously
you guys are super close. Pisatchia is a legend things,
but then you coach McDaniels comes in. What's it been
like playing for coach McDaniels.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Honestly, my experience has been great.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
You know. I feel like every time you get a
new coach in there's new expectations, and I feel like
it definitely takes time to adjust, you know, as a whole.
Like if you're halfway in, halfway out, you're not going
to last. And in the way he coaches, like he
has a very specific way that he wants things to
be done. He's all about work ethic, all about doing

(35:52):
the extra mile. Like that's how he approaches it. And
I like, like we talked about off camera, like me
and him, we've had a great relationship. Was here the dude,
That's how I think when it comes to training and stuff,
I'm always doing extra So it's nothing new to me
when it comes to that.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
But like I said, if you're a guy that's you know.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
The normal NFL guy, you're not They're not training all
off season you know what I mean, it's just that
they're doing it there. It's like it's hardest. It's not
like a normal NFL team, Like it's just it's a different.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Time about the way the way he runs the operation.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, just the operation.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Like we're really working, bro, Like even during the season,
like we're we're in pads like late in the season,
and yeah, there's some tough days, but like that's just
that's what it is, like, you know what I mean.
You can bitch and complain about it, or you can
show up and fucking improve and get better. And especially
in our situation, like, bro, we're six and eleven, but
like we lost. We were in every single game basically

(36:45):
besides New Orleans, Like we lost every game by like
less than a touchdown. So we're right there, and that's
the probably the hardest part about it is like, fuck,
we're right there. But we have great building blocks on
this team. You know, we have Davante, we have Josh Jacas,
we have a ton of guys. It's just we're not
there yet. But I feel like we're definitely like on
our way, like it if things go our way, you

(37:07):
know what I mean. This year, like we could have
easily been a double dy. We could have won ten
games easily, but that's not the reality. Should then you know,
last year we won every single close game, and that's
the toughest thing about it. It's like you can either
either overthink it and you know, dwell on it and
bitch about it. But we went six and eleven. That's
our record. It's fucking it's not acceptable. But I feel

(37:27):
like Josh is a as a coach. He's done a
really good job for sure, go.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Ahead, No, he just seems like a yeah, because this
is like this is not meant to be a shot.
This is just like an observation. Like the Raiders like
really underperformed for base on, Like you guys have an
incredible amount of talent on that team. Yeah, and so
how do you obviously without overthinking it, what are the
little things here and there that you guys lose by
losing by seven you can now win by three?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Like what are those little changes?

Speaker 4 (37:54):
I think you know, I've talked about this already, but
it's like for me, it's the standard, like holding guys to.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
There has to be a standard set. They can't just
be you show up.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
The practice, you do the plays, we're not going over,
We're not sitting here and you know, you should watch
the film and everybody should be greated.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
You know, are we really running to the ball?

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Like little shit like that I feel And that's just
how I have an old school mindset when it comes
at like just the little details of running to the
ball loafs like the ship we talk about, Like that's
that's what I think is the difference, you know, at
the end of the day, like if the standard is
not set in the off season and OTAs and shit
like that is never You're never going to go on
the field and everybody's gonna be on the same page.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
It's just not reality.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
And that's where I feel like, you know, last year
or the year before, like when you were there, like
that's we got to that point at the end of
the year, like everybody was playing for each other and
that's a new thing, like and it's not like it's
McDaniel's fault or anything.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Like everything's new.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
So it does take time, and that's you know something
as a leader, like that's what I feel like I
need to, you know, take another step, you know, as
a leader and being a captain, like that's something I'm
really focused on is building, you know, bringing up the
other guys, the guys that really want to be you know,
really want to be great and be a difference maker,
not just another guy on the roster to fill out
a spot.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Like that's that's what we need.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
You know. I feel like, like you said, we have
the talent in big spots, but like we do have
a lot of things we got to improve on. Like,
you know, our d line wasn't good enough. Our our
defense in general wasn't good enough as a whole, Like
it wasn't We did not play the what I you know,
believe the standard should be. You know, we played, We
rushed a lot better the year before, we covered better.

(39:37):
You know, there's there's little things that we got to
improve on. So you know, that's and it's a it's
a group effort. You know, it's got to take everybody,
and you know, I feel like we're definitely going in
that direction. The second half of the season, we played
a lot better on defense. But that's just a tough
part about it. You can go back and forth, and
you know, we lost close games, but like either way,
we lost, like and that's at the end of the day.

(39:58):
Six and eleven six and eleven is fucking terrible. So yeah,
you know, I believe in them. I believe that. You know,
we're gonna keep building out the roster and a lot
of key spots and you know, just keep going in
the right direction. But the main thing for me is
a standard. Bro Like, we have to have a standard
and there can't be guys that are halfway in a
halfway out, because you know how it is, you have
fucking nine guys on the same page and two or

(40:19):
halfway out, the door is never gonna work.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Yeah, do you feel like do you feel like that's
what it was? The standard wasn't held the entire year
because a lot of the talks and the headlines and
the conversations was, you know, last year we ended up
winning like the last five games, and then you go
in you think you're gonna build off you have a
new regime coming. Of course it does take time, but
then put in the year that you guys did put together.
You keep alluding to the standard and everything else and

(40:43):
half in, half out. Do you feel like it was
upholding that standard?

Speaker 4 (40:46):
If you when you do look at it, Yeah, I
feel and like you said, like we talked about it's
not easy. You know, the way, the way of you
know how coach McDaniels does it is not easy. We're
working hard, like, Bro, we're in training camp. It's fucking
one hundred degrees out on the field, Like we're not
practicing at seven in the morning, Like we're practicing like
ten like that. Shit, it's hot, bro, Like people are

(41:09):
dying and then we're running gassers at the end.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Like it's not a joke. That heat, Bro, real heat.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
And so that's my point, like as a player, like
I pride myself on my routine about doing it every
day no matter if I'm in a bad mood, if
I'm feeling like shit, like showing up and trying to
improve regardless of how I feel. And I feel like
we didn't have enough of that this year, just we
didn't sustain it for a whole season. Like you can
do it in camp, you can do it in OTAs

(41:37):
for the first couple of months, but it's like we
need a bunch of guys who were down or are
willing to sacrifice the whole year and beyond beyond point.
And you know that's you know, that's just a part
of it where you know, I feel like we're going
to bring in more guys that are like minded, and
you know, I just I'm trusting it.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
You know, I'm just not my control.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
I'm just you know, I just want to be a leader,
you know, That's that's my mangal, lead the guys, bring
up younger guys and showing the way.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
So when you're saying, like, I have a standard for
myself that I said every day whether I feel like
shit or I feel good, like when you feel like
shit and you don't want to do it, because I
feel like a lot of people are gonna hear that and.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Be like I do. Everyone goes through the same thing.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Everyone's got motivation week one, and now all of a sudden,
it's week ten.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
You're like, oh man, I really don't want to get
up and go do it again.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Like what are the things that you tell yourself when
you're working through that process? Like you wake up in
the morning, you're sore, it's Wednesday, you know you're going
into pads. You know it's week twelve, Like how do
you make sure not only you sit that ctander for yourself,
but as a leader, Like you're saying said that.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
For everybody else, yeah, you know, the main thing for
me is just it's that foundation. Like if you don't
have a solid foundation going into the season, like if
there's little cracks in it, that shit, the whole house
is going to come down by you know, halfway through
the year. And that's like my main thing. I'm a
very like I have an addictive personality, you know what
I mean, I've an addict at the end of the day,

(42:57):
So like I use it to my as a superpower nowadays.
Like there's certain shit, like every single day I'm doing
the same thing like normantaic stretch every every night before
I go to bed, like cold tub hots up every
single day. I'm you know, there's certain things I have
to do, my meal prep everything, so like even when
I'm feeling like shit, I have to like every morning,

(43:18):
I know I have to do it. Like it's an
agreement I have with myself once a season ends, Like
and that's something I'm doing right now, trying to figure out, Okay,
what can I do better?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
How am I going to be better next year?

Speaker 4 (43:28):
What am I Like There's certain things that I write down,
like I'm not breaking this, like there's no there's no
conversation with myself in my head no matter how fucking
bad I feel. So I feel like it's just, you know,
the main thing is just being mentally you know, obviously
you got to be mentally strong, but you have to
just make agreements with yourself, like I'm not fucking breaking
this and we'll see what happens. If it goes great,
if I play great whatever, like that's amazing that comes

(43:49):
with it. But like if I don't play up to
the level I expect, like I know I did everything
trying to do that, so I'm not gonna feel like
a piece of shit, like.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
I write, statistically the members might not be there.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
But knowing, yeah, if I put everything I have in it, bro,
i can't feel bad about it.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
So but obviously that's not the case.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Yeah, Like and just trusting it. So like that's what
I always try to tell the young guys. It's like,
like my thing this pass off season, like what can
I do better as far as going into training, Like
the weird little difference I made, like I was going
in at eight am and going to train. My agreement
with myself this pass off season was I'm going to
be in the building by six, no later every morning
six am Monday through Friday, and that's fucked.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
That's not easy in the office, especially Fridays when you
get to go in later.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Fuck yeah yeah. And this is I'm talking February March
when there's no I don't have to be there technically,
like this is all off season, and I did that.
So once the season got there, like that was like
a boom. I checked that off.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
I did that. Like that's for me.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
That's where I get my confidence from. It's a little
shit that like nobody, nobody's telling me I got to
do this. It's little shit that like it's challenging as
fucking the off season when I could sit here and
sleep and get relaxed till eight am, you know what
I mean. But I'm getting up at five point fifteen
and I'm going and going and working out when there's nobody.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
In that bitch.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
That's kind of what I you know, that's just one thing,
but that's how I pride myself. Is just like set
in the standard boom. This is what I'm doing, regardless
of the situation, no matter how I feel. I'm getting
the fuck out of bed and I'm doing this, And
that's that's where where all my confidence comes from and
that's how I try to push the guys around me,
because I'm not like a big hoorah guy. I'm not
gonna stand there this movie fucking gotta do blah blah blah.

(45:24):
Like I'll speak when I have to, but like as
a leader, like I feel like at the end of
the day, the true leaders, like they show they show
that shit every single day and that comes to practice
the weight room. Like that's how I try to carry
myself and pride myself on because if you go and
ask any guy in the locker room, or ask Dave
and as Dave when you get there, you get ask
fucking coach McDaniels.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Like they can say whatever.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
You know, I might be a dick sometimes I might whatever,
but yeah, red breadbeard everything, you know what I mean,
super white. But at the end of the day, they
can never say I don't work harder than anybody in
that building.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
That's what I myself on. That's no negotiables. Is like massive,
a massive thing that people need to have.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
It's huge. Bro It my whole life changed.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
It changes it.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Two years ago when I got that surgery, bro I
started doing that. It's changed my whole life it definitely.
It definitely shows and that's like me being there. You
are literally there doing your ship every day.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
When you talk about the standard, not that you have
to get out of character and get out of personality
with it, but do you feel like approaching this next year,
maybe you do speak up a little bit more to
kind of uphold that standard because you are a guy
who's earned your stripes in the league now, like everybody
knows the stuff, and you're talking about your routine every
day now, right, so people know about that and understand
that you know how you come correct every day. Do
you feel like you need to speak up a little

(46:45):
more to feel more of that leadership role to uphold
that standard that you were alluding to earlier.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Yeah, you know, like I look, I evaluate everything from
my leadership to my play, to my just my attitude,
my presence, like everything. I really sit down and break
down what can I do better here? And I feel
like that's with anything, you know I could there's always
room for improvement as a leader. But I feel like,
you know, my third year when you were there, we
beat the Chargers the last game, like that was my

(47:12):
first year of being a captain, and I've never been
a captain my whole life, like, so that was my
first time really being voted a captain. So it was
like I was learning a lot, you know what I mean,
and that being in that leadership role. But it was
it was different. It was a lot easier when I
had a bunch of guys who thought like me, like
Quentin Jefferson, Solomon Thomas, Yannick. Like they're all like all

(47:33):
of them are fucking yeah like that. Yeah, they're like
they're all kind of crazy in their own way, but
like that's how I am. So like I really didn't
have to push, you know what I mean. We're all
like they've seen how I work. There. There wasn't negotiables
there with me. After the work, you know what I mean,
after practice running with me, I had a full squad. Yeah,
Like I wasn't having a pull, motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
That's what I feel like. This year it was different.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
You know, it's a lot different because I whole new
team basically, Yeah, a lot of younger guys, a lot
of guys coming from other teams, practice squads, and boom
they're playing on Sunday with me. So that's that was
the challenge This year is like this dude doesn't fucking
even I don't know this guy at all. I just
met him two days ago, and now I got to
try to.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Lead him, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Like that was the biggest challenge this year is there
was a lot of change, a lot of different guys
in and out, a ton of injuries, so like it
was a big challenge and I feel like overall, it's
like the hardest year mentally for me because I feel
like I was playing my best ball and I really
had a lot of shit that was going on. We
were struggling, We're losing a lot of close games. Like
there was a lot of moments where I could have
just fucking lost, you know, lost my marbles and act out,

(48:37):
you know, just fucking lash out. But like I really
had to sit there and just internalize a lot of
shit and just be grateful for just being in this
situation because I could look at it and bitch about it,
Oh I don't have you know, I don't have a
bunch of pro bowlers playing with me. I don't have this.
He has this, and point to other teams, Well, this
guy's got that, you know what I mean, Like I
could do that, but it's just it does nothing, and

(48:58):
it's that's what a fucking do. And for me, it's like, Bro,
I trust what I'm doing. I know I'm working like
like no other, and I trust in the end it's
all going to work out the way it's supposed to
if I just continue doing the right shit.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
And like I look at guys like Aaron Donald, Like, Bro,
he was in with the Rams.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
They sucked for years and he was the best player
in the league, but nobody was really talking about him
like how they talk about him now. But over the
time he's stuck to the process. He continued to dominate
and then by years, what is a year ten? Last
year he's in the super Bowl. Biggest moment, everyone fucking
sees Aaron Donald. There's no question he's the best, and
he goes on the biggest play and fucking wins the
Super Bowl. Like that's the shit I think about, Like

(49:37):
when I get those moments, yeah, like it's touchdown, bro,
and he wins and gets home ballgame, Like that's.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
The type of shit I think about.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
Like I can lose my shit right now and be like, well,
the fucking Michael Parson is rushing with DeMarcus Lawrence and
fucking you know, he's got other whatever, but that's not
you know, that's not what it is. My story is
different than everybody. So I just trust that BRO and
I continue to just grind, Bro work NonStop, and I
trust it's all going to work out the way I supposed.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
So when you first get to the NFL, like, there's
a lot of distractions and guys like you you have
no money. Then all of a sudden, you have a
bunch of money, regardless of where you're drafted, Like it's
more money than you've ever had, and that is difficult
anywhere you go. But it's I can't imagine what it's
like being a rookie or a younger guy and coming
to Las Vegas to play for the Raiders, Like, how

(50:25):
is that? How are you going to work through that process?
Because that stadium, you can see it, you can see
the strip and it is a cool place to be.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
It is fun.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
And if you're a young cat with note with all
this money, like, how do you keep guys straight during
the season when you're not winning all the games you
should be winning?

Speaker 3 (50:42):
That's that's a tough question.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
You know, everybody's different, and that's that's the biggest difference
When you get to the NFL. It's not like college.
You know everybody in college, It's like, yeah, it's a
more structure. Everybody's on an even playing ground, nobody's richer
than this guy. It's like, this is what it is,
you know what I mean? And now you get to
the NFL, and if this is any city, you play

(51:03):
for New York Giants. Here in New York City, it's
there's always gonna be that. Like I was, Bro, I
was in Ipsilony, Michigan, and I still found ways to
get fucking lit and have fun and do all that shit.
So like being in Vegas, obviously it's amplified, but I
feel like just having a solid foundation, bro, having good
people around you, being around the right people, because there
can be there's there's a million people that are gonna

(51:24):
pull at you, and hey, I got this for you, Bro,
Hey coming to this club, I got you hooked up.
And then all of a sudden, two months later, like
you owe me twenty thousand dollars from that one day, right,
what you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Fuck? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (51:36):
So like Bro, I just for me, it's just I
don't even Bro, I don't even go to the club.
I'm chilling all the time. I go to cigar lines.
That's the only thing I do.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
So for you, I stay.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Yeah, I have a different But yeah, for young guys, Bro,
it's hard. Like if I was here as a rookie, Bro,
I don't even know what the fuck I was.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I was gonna say, like you've been You've been really
vocal about your whole process when you first came in
the league.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Imagine if you were in Vegas. I broud be crazy.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
And that's that's the thing, Like I say, like these rookies,
I can't sit here and be like stay in your
house and do it like, because at the end of
the day, bro, gods are gonna go out, especially if
you're gouds you're gonna especially if you're singer, You're gonna
be out doing whatever you're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
It's just about being being smart, bro, Be cautious.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Don't go out by yourself, don't go out with people
you don't know, like you really got to roll with
the people you trust, and stay out the bullshit because
there's a bunch of bullshit going on, especially at that
Or you go out to a nightclub you don't know
what the fuck's gonna happen, you know what I mean.
Somebody they see you, they know you're an NFL player,
You're immediately a target no matter what it is, like

(52:35):
they want whatever you got, so and people are willing
to lose whatever they have to fucking get what you have.
People will rob you and broad daylight, they don't care.
And that's just the thing, you know, for the young guys,
just knowing who you're around and trust and don't just
be out and about like it's normal, you know what
I mean, You're not. I think that's the thing I
really like. I still have to slap myself because I'll

(52:57):
drive and pull up to a gas station by myself
and the fucking big chain of I won't even think
about it, you know what I mean. And that's that's
now like as I gotten older, like I truly have
to like slap myself in the face, like I'm not.
I can't just roll around and do whatever like normal
sometimes because people are crazy. Bro. You see it all
the time, guys NFL players go to LA and get
fucking their whole shit robbed and taken and they're just

(53:18):
going out there to go hang out with family. It's
like it's dangerous, bro, especially nowadays, but you see more
and more of it all the time.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
H Can you talk about when the switch with Derek
Carr was made, how how it impacted you and how
you felt like it probably impacted the team in that moment,
if at all, because obviously there was a lot of
noise outside of the building.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Yeah, a lot of noise, A lot of noise. It's
definitely outside the building. It was tough, bro.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
I remember that morning because.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
DC's been the defranchise guy since you've you've came to
the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Yeah, he was a all four years. Is my quarterback
is nine years as a starter, which is crazy. It
doesn't happen. So, yeah, I'm sitting there, You're hearing rumors like, Okay,
is Derek going to get bench this week?

Speaker 3 (54:06):
You know what is going on?

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Blah blah blah, and you're just kind of hearing rumors room.
But you know how it is, you don't believe all
the shit. You're just like, okay, we'll see and then
all of a sudden, like we went in that morning
and me and DC are always the first two guys
in there, and we sit there and eat breakfast.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
It's like squad is at eight.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
Like, we're in there at six o'clock and we sit
there and we eat breakfast together. We talk, We go
in the hot tub, I go take a dump, and
then he goes and does whatever he does, you know
what I mean. So I go in there and DC
wasn't there at the breakfast table, and so I asked Angie,
who's there?

Speaker 3 (54:43):
She runs the kitchen.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
She's the best. Shout out to Angie's camera. I love you, Angie.
She's the best. She always sists with us and watches
it and just chops it up with us. And I
was like, Angie, where's DC. Have you seen him? She's like, no,
he hasn't been in yet, and that's in my hat.
I'm like, fuck, you know what I mean? Something went down.
So yeah, like an hour later, I'm in my locker.

(55:04):
I just got out the hot tub and DC walks
in and he's looking at me, and I just knew,
like I already, I just knew immediately, and he just whatever.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
He gave me a man hug.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
He's like, bro, I don't want to make it look
like I'm, you know, quitting on y'all or anything, but
like me and Josh talk like I'm you know, I'm
gonna be I'm gonna go home and for these next
two weeks and you know, figure out my situation. But
it was like that, you know, obviously they had their
business behind the scenes and they've had you know, had
an agreement, so like it wasn't like he was just
like fuck it, I'm not showing up. It was just like,

(55:38):
you know, business. So yeah, it was tough. Like DC's
my boy, Bro, Like me and DC have been always,
you know as friends. Like, Bro, he's a great dude.
I love DC and he's gonna, you know, somebody's gonna
have him as their starter next year and hopefully I
get to play against him and be dope.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
But I wish him the best.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Bro. It's just it's hard, Like in this league, there's
really you know, you can play for a team for
ten years, give everything you got, like but unless you're
like Michael Jordan or you're Tom Brady. Like even Tom Brady,
it's the same thing. Like Bro, he was in year
twenty one six Super Bowl and there he ended with
a bad relationship and they got rid of you know

(56:14):
what I mean, and there was kind of friction, Like
it's crazy, Bro, at the end of the day. So
it's a business and that's the thing you got to realize.
It's not personal. It's not like people don't like DC.
Everyone you know, everyone's cool with DC. We love them.
But it is what it is. You know, Josh and Dave,
they got their visual what they want and you know,
that's just part of this business, man, And I trust them.

(56:35):
You know, I'm on this team and they're my coaches
that at the end of the day, I gotta believe
in what they got, you know what I mean, and
what they're bringing and what they're doing. But at the
same time, it's hard when it's your boy and there's
a motion to it, so it's like, damn, what the
fuck and then you like you want to get mad,
but it's like at the same time, you have to
understand both sides of it. And that's kind of what
I've learned, you know, being in the league more it's
like you can't you can't take shit personally because it's

(56:58):
not personal. Bro, It's a billion dollar business and it
is what it is.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Dude, I've been around Derek just like a handful of times.
He's like the nicest he seems like the nicest guy. Yeah, focused,
kind like charismatic. Good dude, So he's gone, this is
the off season. Hypothetically, who do you want to be
the quarterback of the Las Vegas Raiders?

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Who do I want? Like, if it was just your
world they called you say who you want? You got
who you want? You get to play GM, You get
to play GM.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Now this will be taking out of context people like, oh, maximants,
this guy wants that guy.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
I'm just saying, perfect world boss. Yeah, fun, hypothetical, fun, hypotheticpathetic.
We're just saying we're having a little giggle time. Dude,
that is a nice little time. Tom Brady and two dogs,
three dogs down.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
One over there, she's sucking.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Yeah, she's snucking behind the tom Brady. I would love
to have tom Brady.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
How I don't know how that can be controversy, can
be tom Brady as a leader, as.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
A fucking player, as the goat. Fuck.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Yeah, I would love to play with Dom Brady if
he can do. If you come to Vegas, Bro, I'll
fucking fly. I'll go to wherever he's at to introduce myself.
The level of respect I got for him, Bro is
out this world. So yeah, I would love to have
Tom Brady, but we'll see. I don't I don't know
what's gonna happen, but I've I've only met him when
I played him two years ago. It was the COVID
year and he was on the field. We played in Vegas,

(58:27):
empty ass stadium. We come in for pregame, and I always,
like early on in my career, would always like kind
of walk around the field and it was like a
part of my routine in like my full like pregame outfit,
like just.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
My my fit.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
And I'm walking by myself, going around and then fucking
Brady walks out of the locker room by himself, and
I'm like, oh my god, Like I felt it. I
felt the aura and uh, I seen him. We didn't
say anything to each other at the time. Whatever.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
I was just walking do my thing.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
He's walking, he's just kind of looking around, looking at
the stadium, which is in hindsight, it's kind of crazy,
you know, it's just plotting out. But yeah, but anyway,
so I talked to him after the game. He's you know,
obviously he's a great dude. He was super cool. But yeah, bro,
I would love obviously, I would love that Tom Brady,
he's a goat.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Yeah, very few people you ever meet in your life
had that kind of aura. Yeah, it's definitely. Everyone I've
met who has met Tom was like, dude, it's like
a glow behind him. It's different.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah, he's like too handsome.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Yeah, I feel like he's had something done.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Oh yeah, it's a classic.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Amount Like there, he doesn't look like he's like you know,
my mango botox, like it's it's you know, them teeth
a real no.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
But I think he's done a classic amount of work.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
High classic.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
You know what I'm saying, Like, what's going down with
the cheeks?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Baby, I'm not gonna do some shit I can't say,
but yeah, dude, he does because you look at pictures
of him, and I hope on this YouTube right now
were flashing a picture of Tom from his year.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Because my god, he had that rounded out face, no cheek.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Bones, cheek.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
That's different.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Yeah, bro, he different now, Jesus bro, he's like forty seven.
He's like forty seven, dude, he's not getting young on
the do you think he still got it? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I hate to cut you off. I know you probably
bere pivoting, but do you think Tom still has it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
I agree with you one hundred absolutely. I hate when
people you think so many forties, like mid forty matter.
They said that when he was forty. You know, he's
forty six. Now look how they got into the playoffs.
Bro he was snapping and having comeback games. He threw
for four hundred yards just two weeks ago. They had
a lot of injuries, Brot.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
They had bro.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
I watched football and Tom could still play. He's their
whole line was playing murdered this year. And that's just
out of respect. They were.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I think they were ranked last in the league. Like
he was getting hit all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
They had a lot of injuries, their backs were hurt,
like they had a lot of ship going on. But
it's funny you look back. You see what he did
his last year in New England when you all beat him.
Everyone said the same thing. Oh he's done, He's he's done,
and this is I look at it like and I'm
you know, I like to write that little story. It's like, oh,
well his last who ras you know, two to three

(01:01:20):
year deal it you know in Las Vegas, it's just
come on, let's be real.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
So we'll see. And he got studs on offense too.
He's get a line.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Our old line was played a lot better than people
expected this year.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
That's the really.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
Rush chip on his shoulder.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
DeVante went for over fifteen hundred. We have Colt Miller,
one of the best left tackles in the league. We
got a lot of bro we got we got a
lot of a lot of sod guys for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Do you think, uh, what do you think Josh Jacob's
future is with the Raiders right now because he's about
to be a free agent.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
He's free agent. Yeah, so I know for a fact
that the coaches love him. Obviously. When they first came
they we had three first round picks from my class.
It was Cleve, Josh, and John Abram. And before the
year they declined all their fifth year options. So everyone's like,
oh fuck, they're you know how they are in New England.

(01:02:18):
They don't value the running back. Boom bom boom bom boom.
From my perspective, I know Josh like me and Josh
have been boys since I got there, and Josh is
one of those people that like he need like I
feel like he needs that little extra motivation, like oh
you don't, Okay, I remember exactly what you said. He's
gonna make you look dumb. And that's what I feel like.

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This year was like everyone is saying, oh, it's new England.
They don't you know, they don't value running backs to
saying they'll just bring him in. Josh literally was the
best running back in the league and this year and
he can't even argue it. Every category, yards per carry,
broken tackles, for amount of first rounds run like he
did everything. And so I'm extreme proud of him, obviously

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being being one of my boys. But I think he's
gonna stay here, bro and no matter. I don't know
how that's what that's going to look like if they
tag or try to sign an extension, but I think
he's one that's one thousand percent earned an extension. Like
the dude has been a pro bowler. I think this
is third time now in four years. So, like he's
the dude is a dog. He's an absolute dog, you know, Josh,

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he's the ship. He plays too. He's always banged up and.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
He's always about like you know, I remember when we
got our assle from the Chiefs. Yeah, and he was
so pissed about him fumbling like early in the game,
and just like, man on the outside looking in, what
do you feel like it is? I'm like, I just
fucking guy it like we just got our ass. But
he's very much like in it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
He loves football.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Yeah, he loves ball.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
That's what I talk about. The guys like that, the Davante's.
We need guys that have that mindset, no matter what
the talent level. The Deron Harmon's the dude who really
loved football. That's what you need the building and Josh
is one that guy.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
Uh, going back just for a second on the on
the DC situation, was there ever a time where you're like,
fuck Mancuz there there is a lot uh uh you
know that? Like I think it was a statistic that
was out there that the Raiders been ranked like bottom
tier defense since he's been a quarterback. Do you like
ever sit there you're like, fuck, man, like you put
a little bit on yourself. Obviously you ultimately don't or

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you can't, but you're just like, fuck if we could.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Have just.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Honestly, bro, I don't know how to answer that, you
know what I mean? Early in his career, like their
defense is like bottom defense every year, Like we haven't
been the worst of the worst, but we haven't been great.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
But also you just look at it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
We've had three different decoordinators in the last three years, So, like,
I think stability is a big thing as well, and
that's something you know, having Pat Graham back next year
for the second year, I feel like we're only going
to get better.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
And you know, having Josh back, Like everybody, if it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Immediately doesn't work, they're like, fucking fire everyone vote. That's
that's the outside world, and that's just you know, that's
natural because you see other coaches like Dave Ball comes in,
boom giants playoffs already, want to playoff.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Game, be like, oh fuck, why aren't we doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
Josh automatically gets compared to.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Yeah, immediately compared. But every situation is different, and so
you know, it is what it is. You know, as
from the fans perspective, it's like, what the fuck fucked him?

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
We're firing them.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
That's how they think about every coach if you don't
succeed right away. But you know, I feel like Josh
is doing the right thing. It's just gonna take time,
for sure, And I feel like we're you know, we're
going in the right direction.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Are you the Were you the biggest Pro Bowl snub
in the league?

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
I made the Pro Bowl or a Pro a Pro?

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on? Were you
the biggest All Pro snub in the league. That's not
me to decide, but you're a competitive motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
No, it's that ship.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
I saw vocalize it a little bit or enough to
be like, hey, this is a receipt.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
I'm yeah, for sure, but it's it's like anything else. Bro,
when I look at it, you know, you have this
own story in your head. Boom, this is how it's
gonna go. I want this, I want this. I'm gonna
get this like this year.

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
If I look at like, I made All Pro last year,
I was second team All Pro, had eight sacks, but
I had one hundred plus pressure boom whatever. And that
was like, you know, from the outside world, ever was like, Oh,
it's a fucking flash in the pan. He's just doing
it because it was a contract. He needed to get
a contract. Like I heard that shit all off season,
Like okay, it was like this big storybook. Max told
everybody about his sobriety story, Like it was just like

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people that's everyone had like, oh, it's just too good
to be true.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
That was his year.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
But like people, I feel like people in the outside
world didn't truly respect me like fully as like a
Miles Garrett or TJ. Watts, cause you know, they're all
first round picks, they're all top ten guys, they're all
consistently ballers. Like so for me going into this year,
like my attitude was like fuck that, Like I'm I'm
that guy, Like I'm gonna be that guy I'm gonna

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be because I'm always compared ever sus Khalil mac left.
Like everyone talks about how the Raiders been missing a
pass rusher, missing Kalil mac We haven't recovered from Khalil
mac leven. And that's like something I take super serious,
bro like and I take offense, like I take offense
to that shit, like but in a good way. I
let he use his motivation and so like in my storybook,
like I have a lot of things that I want

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to do and going into this year, like all right,
how am I gonna do better? How am I gonna
do better than second team All Pro? Okay, I want
to be first team All Pro.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
I want to do.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
There's a lot of things, but I'm not like a
big like number. I don't I don't put a number
on anything like I'm gonna get this amount of sacks,
this amount of blah blah blah. For me, it's like
I'm gonna fucking improve. Well whatever that looks like, I'm
gonna improve as a player and take it to another
take a whole another step. And I've just from a
film perspective, from a stat perspective, I did that and

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literally every fast I have more Bro. I led the
team in tackles as a d N. I have fucking
eighty nine tackles. Like I had twenty two TFLs. I
led the league. I had twelve and a half sacks,
was like tied six. I've pressures. I was top three
in the league, like every category, Like I took big strides.
And for me, in my head, like my perfect story

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is boom, I'm a start in the Pro Bowl again.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
I got that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
The last thing was all pro and I'm waiting. I'm
like boom, I can't wait. But then all of a sudden,
I look at the list, I'm like what and like
I was shook, Bro, Like I was hurt, like you
know what I mean deep down like that that shit
hurt my pride.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I'm like, what the fuck? I got better? Bro? I
know I got better, and I didn't make it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
And that's like, that's the thing, and if my perspective
in my world, like I wanted, that was the final
thing that I fucking wanted on this season. You know,
we didn't make the playoffs. I knew weren't making the playoffs,
like just from my personal goals.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
And then I didn't get that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
And I'm like, all right, motherfuckers, Like the season went great,
but I'm not doing enough. That's just the way I
took it. And I know I got back forgot yeah,
But at the same time I forgot it like bro, like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Yeah, like I know I got better. My goal was
to get better.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
I did, bro everything in my power all fucking off season,
every I did everything right, and then that was the
last thing that I wanted and boom, I didn't get it.
And so for me, I could sit there and bitch
and go on Twitter. Fuck that is bullshit. You know.
You see guys all the time bitching about the show.
You see just a couple of games ago, when fucking

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dude had a meltdown and blaming the refs, and I
see dudes blaming all fucking old lineman hold all the time, refs,
don't call it like I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Never be that guy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
Bro, I think that's you know, shit like that is
so weak to me, Like you're gonna get held, like
I'm I know I get held all the time. You
watch the Rams last drive against us, but I was
getting literally tackled. But I'm not gonna go and double
down and go look like a little fucking cry baby.
You know what I mean, That's not me. So at
the end of the day, like the last thing I
wanted was to get that all pro But I know,

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at the end of the day, like I'm gonna look
back next year when I do everything I'd set out
to do and be like, yeah, this shit was for
a reason. God needed that little That little thing is
gonna fucking push me to do that extra little wrap,
the extra little ship.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
And it is what it is, like that ship pisses me,
like it really hurt me.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
But hey, don't you like that?

Speaker 7 (01:10:12):
You know that's kind of not for me to like, hey,
come on now, he's like, man, I fucking bro, that
ship yeah, like that ship, dude, No, like I did,
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
It is what it is, and I can't do anything
like in my young self, like I thought the same thing,
like my rookie when I was going my rookie year,
like I thought I was gonna win Rookie of the Year.
I thought I should have won it. I didn't, and
but that helped me the next year. Like it's always
something that every player needs, that little extra motivation and
like I can't control that. But at the end of

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the day, bro, I know, like it's all gonna pay off,
Like it's all gonna I don't need to force it
and talk on Twitter and do all this extra ship
and complain.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
And what is that gonna do for me?

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
Bro? It's gonna make me look like an ass if
I go next year and don't play as well, you
know what I mean. Like I'm to do everything I
can to be better than I was this year, and
that's that's what's gonna push me. So yeah, it does
what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
So if you're looking at it now like I was snubbed,
that pissed you off, I think I gotta work hard
and do what were things little minor critiques you make
to your off season training regiment that might get you
that all pro.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
I honestly, I think that that's something I'm looking at
right now before I start training again. Before I start
training again. I do it every year, especially these last
two years.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Is you train here? Yeah? I train in Vegas?

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Do you train the facility? So yeah, that's something I'm
evaluating right now.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
He's like, he hears my mouth in the microphone.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Dude, we'll bro anytime someone goes and starts talking. He
opens his mouth like that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
Well, the ship's going on up up up up top.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
He's juicing me. You live together.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
I like com you know what I mean. I'm just like,
it's just me taking in. I guess I can't fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Hell you say you say.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
Got me wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
I'm up? You got was like a hyper deal right there.
Somebody needs to cut that and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Put a bunch of music behind it, Spartan music. Yeah,
it's like drake, Dude, did somebody tell me I fell off?

Speaker 6 (01:12:19):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
I needed that? Yeah? I needed it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
But that's yeah for me, Like my routine, that's something
I'm gonna breakdown. Like I've already talked to the strength
staff the nutrition is we've already sat down and boom,
we're gonna this is what We're gonna do a little
adjustments where I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Can, you know, improve on.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
But it's it's not the work ethic part of it, bro,
I put in I know I worked fucking extremely hard.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
It's just about how can I make it a little
bit better? What can I do a little bit smarter?

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
A little shit like that, And so that like this
second year, like going into my third year, there was
a lot of big adjustments I had to make and
I felt like I took another big step, like I
added boxing into my off days instead of just doing
strictly tubs and chilling at an hour boxing and in
that so there's something you know, there's always gonna be
little shit like I'm sorry, I'm gonna add yoga this offseason,

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like just adding little shit, but I you know, I
don't know everything yet, but just try to take that
take that next big step because I know in this league, bro,
like if the biggest thing is the guys that continue
to do it, and you know this fucking well being
a pro Bowl doing it over and over, like do
you either get worse or you get better? And like
there's no in between. You don't just stay the same

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you don't. Like for me, it's I can't, Like I
can't even I don't even know what life will look
like just in my brain if I didn't do all
the things I was doing now, Like if I could
just chill this offseason, like a lot of guys do it,
They're fucking chilling and and just take a step back,
Like I can't even sit, Like I have to take
this time off to just let my body rest. But

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I'm still meal prepping, stretching, norma, taking every day like
I have to do it for my own sanity. So
like that's that's what it is for me, bro, just
taking that next step. I'm fucking like obsessed with the
process because I know where I want to go and
I can't do it any other way. So I'm just
fine tuning everything. Well, you know, we'll see what we'll
be got on the agenda this offseason.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
The addiction becoming a superpower. Oh yeah, this is an
outstanding first impression for me with you.

Speaker 6 (01:14:18):
I'm very impressed.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
I'm glad you guys are finally You'm glad you guys
are finally meeting too. I'm like Damn, I thought, I
guess you guys haven't met it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
It's just crazy because when I literally when I saw you,
we were waiting for us outside, which is very kind
of you, by the way, to wait for us when
we were pulling up, like, oh, there's the boy. Like
I feel, I literally feel like we've met before hung out.
So this has been and it's cool to see your
mindset because you've got it, Bud.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
I appreciate it about it everything but being white, like
everything's going for you, it means a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
Bro Taylor knows when I when I got to Oakland
and my boy checked in on me after my first
day in school with the Raiders, and I was like, hey,
somebody on the squad is like a fan of busting
with the boys. I was like, his max across me.
You weren't who you are now, but it was like,
I don't know, And now looking back, that's fucking cool.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Yeah, it was crazy. That's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
When you hey, you're like he's like telling somebody, goes, no,
this man is famous. I'm just kind of sitting there
like nervous, you know, first day, in the first day,
Oh yeah, there's somebody he's like, he's like now I'll
rock with busting with the boys. I'm like, Yo, let's
fucking go.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
That's a hilarious contrast to you going up the will
being like half fuck with you guys, and then Richie
Incognita being like, oh I do busting with the bully,
just bullying fucking bully me, Billiam, How what was I
like playing with that Richie?

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
Shit? I love Richie. He is one of my favorite
teammates I've ever had. The dude is he like it's
you talk about work ethic, That motherfucker works, bro, And
like takes the way he took care of his body,
how massive he is and playing fifteen years white body
bro fucking soundtrack.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
And he looks like he's sixteen years old in the face,
no stretch, Like he just the dude is different and
he's been through a lot of ship and like just
being around on him and getting to, you know, become
closer with him, Like he was truly one of the
best team teammates I had, like take me under the
wing like type of dude, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
He was exactly that guy.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
Like for some reason when I first got there, like
we practiced, you know, we start practicing doing ota together
and like we started to like become boys because I'm
fucked up in the head like he is. Like I'm
practicing hard as fuck. Like we're not even in pads,
and you know, I'm a rookie. I'm just trying to
make an impression and like I'm flying around the field.
And for some reason, like Richie obviously is he pay
He's paying attention a little bit seeing how I do shit,

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and like he just we immediately clicked because he respected it,
just how I did shit. And ever since then, Bro,
we became boys. And I still like when he retired,
I went up and seen him, like on his retirement
and like me and him always, you know, been really cool.
And he goes to all the freaking games. I'll be
on the sideline about to walk, the game's about to start.
He'll be in there in a polo, just fucking grab me,

(01:16:51):
give me a biggest hug in the planet, fucking throw
my rib out because he squeezes the life out of me.
But he's yeah, I fucking I can go on and
on about Richie bros. He's a loyal die hard, just
like real real bro.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
A healthy healthy is one of the best friends to
have no, literally, he is an incredible human being.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Absolutely what a.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
Massive fucking dog.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
He's a big boy.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
No, he stood up and everybody can see him to
everybody's like, holy shit. He literally he like, take my
life any second you wanted. Max. I like, I came
in the house before I came in the house, and
Max is like, hey, just walk straight, don't really don't
look down at don't make any facial expressions. And I'm
just kind of like walking the house and Max just starts.
He's like, you know, he's not gonna do nothing, but

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he watched the wires.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Watch the wires, Dirk Direk, go buddy, He's just gonna
he'll be fine. He'll stay on there for like five minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
He was assessing the situation before.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
He came over. He doesn't want to fun it up.
Tear talk, Yeah, do we have well, let's take a
quick pause talk.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Yeah all right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
So for Tier Talk this week, we are going to
do best dog breads, and I feel like best and favorite.
There's a great line there, because I'm sure you could
look up the best dogs and it's probably like an
equal out with us.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
We'll say our favorite dog Brits for our tier talk. Yeah,
do you want to go first?

Speaker 5 (01:18:10):
Let me go first. I can go first. My U
no honorable mentions. My Tier three is going to be Rottweiler.
We had a dog growing up, my parents' first dog
before they had me. You know how parents do the
trial run, Like, let's do a dog. We can take
care of a dog, we can take care of a
baby type thing. They had a Rottweiler named Conan after

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Conne and the Barbarian. They had him trained all the
way up to like he could have been like some
kind of like the police style training dog, but he
would have had to leave for like three months. But
a very well trained Rotweiler and so ever since, Like
growing up with Conan, it was like I loved Rottweiler's
my tier two. What I currently have waffle English bulldogs.

(01:18:54):
They're just so like unique to me, dude, and like
you come home, they don't greet you, they stay on
the couch. You go in, like you have to go
give them love. They kind of just look sad and like,
but they love you. The all they want to do
is cuddle. Yeah, they got a couple issues, yeah, but
all in all, like I love English bulldogs. My buddies

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would have would have them when I was growing up,
and I would go to their house and I love
playing with them. And then Rob Rob Deer Deck on
the Fantasy Factor and everything when they had that dog
and it was skateboard and everything else. I just always
thought it was the fucking coolest. Uh my Tier one
pit bulls, I know it's I know you love pits
as well. I think pit bulls are fucking awesome. Yeah,

(01:19:39):
I used to have. I used to have a pit
named Boogie. I named I made my dog Boogie after
Levonte David. Levonte David's nickname in college was Boogie little
Horny Boy. And so I told I told Boogie, I said,
when I get my first dog, it's gonna be a pit,
and I'm gonna name them after you. So that's my
story about having my pit. Then, you know my girlfriend
I broke up out of you know, guilt. You kind

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of like you can have Yeah, we can, Yeah, we
can cut that part out. But piles dud, I think,
uh no, no. If you guys hear a baby, that's
Max's newborn.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
She's a stud.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
She's trying to get some time in.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
On the pod.

Speaker 5 (01:20:19):
You gotta respect respect that, but but that's my tear talk. Now,
what the rule is you go around the room and
everybody gives a one word answer on how they feel
like your tear talk wing kind of like a judgment thing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
Okay, I'll let's tell you start this diseased Jesus not
a fan of pits? Magnificent?

Speaker 5 (01:20:50):
What would your word be? I'll go ahead and echo it,
swol Mitch almost you want to go, you want me
to go next, I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Go all right. Tier three.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
I'm gonna start off little curveball. You know, the only
dogs I've ever had are pits. My parents they own little,
yappy little fuckers. I love them, but I never claimed them.
I'm gonna start Tier three with Doberman's, and the reason
why is because they're excellent athletes. They're fucking terrifying, and

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there's something about them. Every time I see a Doberman,
you get a little like you don't know what's gonna
kill me? Is he gonna kill me?

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Or is he like?

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
I want this dude by my side. So every time
I see a Doberman, I just have a level of
respect for the dog that I felt like it needed
to make the list because you know they're not loved
one enough, I feel like, and they're feared in a way,
but I respect them. Tier two, I'm gonna have to
go with rod Wilers. My teammates in college, a ton
of them had Rod Wiler's Cleeve Ferrell. He's got a

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Roth Wiler, a great dog, super loyal, big ass teddy bears.
But if they need to get the job done, they'll
get the job done. So I respect the shit out
of them as well. But Number one unanimous decision pit bulls.
I got three best dogs on the planet. They're loving,

(01:22:18):
they're loyal as fuck, but they will take you down
if you cross the line. And that's the thing with them.
My big guy, he's an actually he's two pit bulls
in one.

Speaker 5 (01:22:30):
But is he knows like an XL.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
He's an XL bully, So he's a.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
Pit and an American bulldog kit mixes. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
So yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
The thing with pitts bro like they're super loyal, but
they're big babies at the end of the day, Like
if they love you, they're gonna just lay out like
they act like they're a human in the house. And uh,
every time I come home, there's the response is always
the same. So I respect their consistency. I expect that
they got the grit and they they're dangerous enough where people,

(01:23:02):
you know, have a little bit of fear when they
try to cross the line, but they'll always be there
for you. So big shout out to pipples all around
the world. Gritty Yes, I love that. JPO. Yeah dominant
from JP Mitch tough Alpha. Just speaking of dude, I

(01:23:27):
wish the camera can catch that.

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
Look at that man.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
You sure rob this place and come here, dirt, dirt,
dirt here, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Here he comes. That was the most Dan Campbell for
answers I've ever heard of my life. Yeah, grit, tough,
chevy t.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
Should you said, Dan Campbell, we could have said, all right,
my tier talk.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
He just walks loud.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
He's heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Yeah, all three of my tiers are pitbulls. Okay, let's
see my tier three. I grew up on a ranch
in Arizona. Every cowboy had this dog, and it was
the Blue Healer.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Those dogs would work cows, they'd work with horses, they'd
work with sheep. They do the job that need to
get done.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
The reason why they're not higher on my list is
because they are rambunctious, energetic, and if they're not trained properly,
they will absolutely ankle by any visitor at all times.
I love the way they look, I love the way
they get after it, and they're hard working, just like
the Chevy Silverado, and that's why they must be in
my list.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
I love that. That is my tier three. Taylor.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
I want to cut you off, but those blue heelers
look very similar to like German shepherds, but they're kind
of smaller right.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
Completely getting the business like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
They're shorter haired.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
It's hard to explain, like any movie you've seen with
a cowboy. Yeah, extremely smart and we'll go all day
like they will go and work all day for you.
But if you want to own one, you got to
like you gotta have some wide open spaces from the run.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
My tier two. This dog would have never made my
list until I met my wife. She has this dog.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
I think I didn't know what to think about. I
thought they were beautiful and majestic. I thought seeing her
like up in the mountains with the snow, I'm like, Wow,
what a beautiful dog. But I don't think I'll ever
own this one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
This dog is going to be the husky Siberian husky.
They shed like shit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
But my wife's dog, Akira does getting pets from hers
like pickles on a sandwich. She'll take them or leave them,
it doesn't really matter to her. She hangs out, she
does her things. She's the most low maintenance dog in
the world. And it's completely changed my views on huskies.
I think they're an incredible species of animal, extremely smart
and very vocal.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
And my tier one goes out to.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
The greatest dog you could possibly get. When you go
down to a humane society and you look around those
little crates and gates and you see dogs staring at you,
it's not just one type of dog, it's a whole
bunch of types of dogs. And when you take a
cocktail combination of animals and you put them together, most

(01:26:17):
of the time you're gonna get the best combo possible.
So my tier one is the mutt, the mix of all.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Those animals you put them together.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
They look funny most of the time, they are funny
most of the time, and they usually have the best personalities.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
So the mutt, those pound puppies are my tier one.
Sure unique.

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
Politically political, yeah, own the number one.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
The gods here, why not him in there. I had
him in there, but he's right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
That's why I got a little up in arms as
I thought, damn, I'm gonna get.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
I don't think I'm ready to take this right now.
I'm not ready to take these hands on the internet.
But I do love the Chihuahua. I think the chiuala
is fucking hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
When I was a little kid and I would see
the Taiaro top of bell dogs ripping around the little
short haired brown colors, I would say to myself, someday,
I'm gonna have this dog and I would have little
matching outfits, gonna be cool little glasses, little chill boys
hanging out. Now, I have a stipulation for these dogs
that I'm going to get some day. I will own
a chiuaba someday. I have to make sure that I got.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
This has got to be.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Anomaly of uava. It can't bark and it can't bite.
Other than that, dude, they're chill boys and they're outstanding.
Maybe you should boy's gonna have a muscle.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
I'm not gonna stereotype, but every Chua I've met is
the meanest fucking dog I've ever met.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Number two and dog attacks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Chua is the breaking number two amongst all dogs and attacks.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Wow, that's you want to do your one word?

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
No, no, If you were gonna have chiuaa, I was
gonna have a high maintenance.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
This sus I know who I am. Anyways, Yeah, well,
boys and girls, that is when I went to in
the episode.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
Yeah, shout out to what we got for Maxie. I
don't think so were you guys listened throughout the episode
and was intrigued to get a question out or go
any further into anything. He was saying, Mitch loves ball,
So I'm kind of looking at me and I feel
like he's like, was getting a boner over there listening
you talk about fucking work, ethic and ship. Our ESPN

(01:29:07):
reporter Mitch wants to know what Davante Adams brings to
a team.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
Davante Adams the thing with him, like I've been you
know you were you were there with the whole ab saga.
Well you you came after it was that same year.
It was that same year.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
So that was the first superstar receiver I ever dealt with.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
So I'm like, okay, this is you know you hear
their divas there, So I got to experience that whole thing.
So my first, like initial thought was like, Okay, I've
heard nothing but good things about Davante, like just from
the outside world, Like you don't hear him talking like
I'm the best blah blah blah, like on the outside
he's not. He's never been that guy. So when he

(01:29:50):
was coming, I was kind of I didn't know what
to expect. I didn't know if he was you know
what he was like whatever, get another a yeah, like
it maybe another fucking diva, Like that's not the guy
you want in the locker room, regardless. And the day
he came in there, bro, Like when I talk about
everything I talked about like a teammate, you want to
dude who fucking practices the right way, fucking trains the
right way every single day. He's that guy, bro. And

(01:30:13):
he's one of the most humble dudes but extremely confident
at the same time. He's not arrogant, he's not that,
but he knows who he is, you know what I mean.
And that's the level of confidence that a lot of
guys can't get to. Because when you talk about Devontae
Adams Emilia, oh, he's best saleper in the league, Like
he's always in that conversation. So he's just a great teammate, BRO,

(01:30:34):
and he's awesome, like just being around him. I fucking
love Davante like he I don't know, I don't know
how to explain it. Bro, He's unique. He's super fucking smart.
Like he's just a different type of dude. And you
could tell, like there's a reason why he's different, you
know what I mean, just the way he plays. Bro,
he has no fear, he knows he's the guy, and
like he loves football. And that's that's really all you

(01:30:55):
can say about him.

Speaker 6 (01:30:56):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
He's I can go on and on, but he's a
he's a great teammate.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
BRO. Love him to death.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
And I've only known him for a year. Bro, I
fucking I talked to him all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
Like it's not like you know in most locker rooms,
like sometimes you just talk to your D line guys
and stuff like that. Like Devanta is one of those guys.
Like he's one of my one of the best teammates
on the team. I talked to him all the time.
He's a captain. He's just h Yeah, he's a total package. Yeah,
he's a stuff. Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:31:19):
I love that dude, he's a stud. Good question, good work.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Oh yeah, we're always looking to improve, yeah, improve, yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
If you can hear that in the background right now,
Dirk is chugging.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Yes, he's getting after it. Dude. On that, I totally
forgot what the like has a rookie? What was that
experience like for you?

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
Was it as bad as it was wild?

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Yeah? Yeah, Like I don't know how to explain it.
So when I when I first came in Boom, I
got jibted by the Raiders. We signed like we had
signed ab Ritchie Vontes, berfect, like we like every big
like you think about the craziest motherfucker. They were all

(01:32:17):
on our team. So I didn't know what to expect.
The AB shit like Ab is a person. Like if
you if AB sat here with us right now and
you genuinely like it's just us in the room, no cameras, nothing, you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
Would love a B. He would love a B. He'd
be like, he's down the earth. He's a great dude.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
But the second he left the building, bro, you didn't
know what the fuck was about to happen. It was
every day bro, he would go, what's up?

Speaker 7 (01:32:38):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Hey man?

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
What up man bo Eastern Michigan blah blah blah. I played,
you know, you played at Central, Like that was like
my end with him. That's a rookie. I'm like, oh,
it be cool with that motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
And so we're cool.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
But like you would go home and all of a
sudden there's something on Instagram and then like as a
shit started getting crazy because he came in, he burned
his feet off, and then he had the helmet shit.
So he was never practicing. He never was around the
off season. We're like, what the fuck is going on?
He would show up here and there, but.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
Like and when you be with like a camera crew
and ship, like, oh, he would bring a posse with
him everywhere in the facility. It was not a it
was kind of like a high schoolish like you had
some aisles, but not a lot of room in the in.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
The locker room, bro, Like he had his own posse.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
So it was like in the weight room he had
his own trainers come. So it was just a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
But you would never like if you just sat there
like he can he really is, like he's not I
don't I don't know. He's got he's got his own
ship he's got to deal with, you know what I mean,
there's a lot of ship that's going on. But like
my experience one on one with him outside of the media,
outside of that ship, like he was cool as fuck,
but I don't know, he's got a lot of shit

(01:33:45):
going on. But like Vontes, like Vante, you would think
about Vonte's birth, You're like, oh my god, that's a
fucking murderer. Right, he is the fucking coolest dude, bro, Like,
coolest ship. He came right up to me. Was like
at first, I was terrify. I'm like, okay, this vontet perfect.
That's a bad motherfucker. Like yeah, I'm you know, I'm
gonna try to earn that respect. Like I didn't even

(01:34:06):
know how to talk to him.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
At first.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
He was cool as shit, great leader, like great dude
in the locker room, like everyone fucked with him, and
he was a real leader.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
He was dope.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
And then Richie's the same thing, Like obviously Richie's had
his shit too, Like he's gone through a lot of shit,
but Richie's a fucking great teammate. So yeah, my whole
experience with everybody, like he would think from the outside,
it was like oh my god. But like inside the building,
like Ab was gone before the season, like we were
just waiting, like we're like, okay, is Abe even gonna play?
Like there was something after There's just always something, And

(01:34:37):
then he leaked like Gruden's call on the fucking Instagram.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
Literally after he came up and talked to the whole team.
He came up, Bro, all the captains went up there.
Ab walked up on the stage. He apologized. We're like
all right, bet so we're like okay, he's about to play,
Like fuck yeah, AB's on board now, so everyone's excited.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
That night he posted the shit with Gruden and how
you know is fucking wild.

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
The same day, me and Clear take like what you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Literally just talking about this ship. He's like I'm doing
with the games man.

Speaker 4 (01:35:12):
I apologize and was like, oh fuck it, bro, Like
we get it, Like everybody goes through shiit, so like
I'm that's from my personal bro.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
I always give people the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
So like I it's a b bro, Like fuck it,
he's going through his ship, but like he wants to
play everything seen one hundred percent genuine boom boom boom,
literally that night he puts on Instagram like the whole
Grooden ship every and just like I'm like what. And
then by the next morning he was cut being clear
in the building. Mayo's walking up through the hallway with

(01:35:41):
a smile because may I had to deal with all
the ship and may I really wanted him to be
a part of it. Gruden, They fucking they wanted to
love him, but like there was more to it, you
know what I mean, he was going I don't know
what he was going through, but like, and I pray
for dudes like that. I don't know what he's going,
what's got, what he's got going on upstairs, Like it's tough.
But yeah, like people were like it was like brought
the fresh air, bro. It was something every single day,

(01:36:03):
and he was supposed to be our franchise guy, like
we're bringing a b to fucking Lass Babs.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Like the best, bro, the best. He was so fu cold.
I'm like he's my team, bro, He's the coldest.

Speaker 5 (01:36:13):
And they said, like when he's out on the Price
Beld like that motherfucker is running all day long, running
I'm trying to do extra after Like it's just it
seems just seems like a bizarre.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
I've never seen anything like. Was there ever a weird
dynamic between Vonte'.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
And a B not at all?

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Really boys.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
Because he executed go To it's like a hit. That's
what people say, Yeah, like, oh he got CT from that.
You know everyone, That's what they're saying, like, yeah, yeah, everybody.
They must sucking up, bro when they came in the
fucking locker room. But everybody was. Everybody was cool as
ship like. Vontez and him were boy like. It was no,
there was no friction at all. Richie and Ab were

(01:36:52):
boys like it was when we were all just together
as boy like as teammates.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
There was no issues.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
But it's just there was a bunch of ship going
on and the outside and it's just you look back,
you're like, damn, what if. But you never know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
But like we've had a B, we're kind of had
a B and now we have Devanta, Like we've had
some guys come in. It's just some cats, crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Some dudes.

Speaker 5 (01:37:16):
Dude. We appreciate you, man, this has been fucking phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
It has been a phenomenal episode.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
Yes, I've had a blast. I'm glad you guys got
to come to the crib, meet the dogs, the whole shabam.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
It was amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
Some wing stops, some pizza, yeah, wings stop, water, the boys,
you know, intimidating pulling.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Up and seeing what you got sitting outside you like that. Yeah,
it was nice, it was all It seemed like it
was perfectly for that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
He's like, all the boys are coming. Hold on, that's
perfect an episode of MTV crib bro. It really was. Yeah,
you've earned it and you're wearing the chain.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Look at the wrists, both.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Of them something something.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
How many are you going to you to do a
full bodysuit tattoo? What are we talking about here?

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
I want to get my chest, my upper back, and
my like, I want to get my whole like Torso done.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
This off season. Oh yeah, my guy is moving to Vegas.

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
He's from Boston, so like I usually only get to
see him like once an off season and we just
knocked ship out. But he's moving here in March, so
we might get some uh some action.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
Yeah, get it right.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
Yeah, I'm trying to get like you you got all
types of ship. We're covered up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
I guess I got work to do still, yeah, just
work out there. Yeah, my legs, my legs. I haven't
even got back to him.

Speaker 5 (01:38:32):
You have to see his chest. He's got a cool
little dog there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Yeah, I'm starting to get I'm starting to have most
of my torso done. I needed there's a couple of
pieces right here by my whole back done. I need
to get like a couple of places. It's not important,
but I'm gonna get it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Yeah, I'm with you. It's gonna be a big.

Speaker 5 (01:38:50):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
Well, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Ladies and gentlemen, please like subscribe, unsubscribed, resubscribe, hit that merch.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
If you're looking for the Budweiser, can't get it any more.
It's overboughts.

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
So that's like, yeah, that's the only thing. As you're saying,
you're like, yeah, by the time this comes out, it's
gonna be overwheling.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
No, this last time I did a couple of days ago,
I didn't. Yeah, but big hugs, tiny kisses,

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