Chiefs WON’T Make The Playoffs & CFP Chaos: Miami Over Notre Dame?! + How To Fix The Playoff

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(02:09):
do a little NFL recap. I know you had probably
one of the spiciest games of the week. Do we
want to start there?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
We can start there. I do know. I don't want
it to go unnoticed that I messaged Greg over the
weekend like I'm sitting there and as I'm watching games
and trying to process analytical angles or you know, situational football.
I shot Greg a text during the Big Ten Championship. Yeah,
when it was Ohio State trying to kick a kick
in the field goal? What was it the twenty five

(02:36):
yard or twenty eight yarder that they shanked to tie it,
And it was like late in the fourth or later
in the fourth, and I just shot Greg attext like, Hey,
I'm just sitting here watching that field goal. I'm thinking
of my head, Yeah, you tie the game, but is
this one of those situations where you don't tie the game,
you try to go for it, because again, all you're
doing is giving them three points. They have x amount
of time to work with and all it needs a

(02:57):
field goal to win the how much time was left
on the clock, It was like two minutes, yeah, two
minutes and change left. Two minutes and change left, So
plenty of time. Because like, yeah, at the end of
the day, no matter what, Indiana is just gonna need
a field goal to win the game. So if you
tie it, they need a field goal. But if you
go and go for it on fourth down and eventually score,
you're you're challenging them. They're gonna have to get seven

(03:18):
on you. So I'm texting Greg, Hey's text back, yes
with exclamation points. I'm just letting them know, Hey, I'm
trying to learn now.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
So so you're Greg, your answer to Will was, yes,
you take the three in that situation.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
No, you go for it.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
No, No, I think they should have went for it.
Now Again, it's easy to have that perspective when he misses.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
The kids, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah, Monday's always tough
to be like, you should have done this, but we're just.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
About so I always exactly, I always try to not
be the hindsight guy right and and always and make
a decision. Well, it's if Ryan Day knew the kid
was gonna shake it, of course he would have gone
for it, like, yeah, right, but I thought beforehand, you
got to go for it. Right on paper, you're probably
the better team. You're paying bazillions of dollars to the kids.

(04:02):
You're big, and you're physical, and you pride yourself on
all that. Like, you've got to be able to get
short yard situations inside the ten yard line. That's just
I don't remember exactly where the ball was, but it
was inside the ten. It might have been the eight
or nine. I can't remember exactly where the ball was. Yeah,
I watching it transpire. College kickers, I don't pretend to

(04:25):
know the math of college numbers like I do in
the NFL. I don't know what college field goal rates are.
I know there's a wild spread between good kickers and
bad kickers, much more so than the NFL, where for
the most part, everybody's kind of in the same bucket
to a degree. So, yeah, that was that was brutal.
And then remember in college, you miss a field goal

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right there and they put the ball in the twenty.
So not only did you miss it, but you didn't
even have the luxury of Indiana having to snap the
ball from inside their own ten yard line because the
ball got moved to the twenty.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, he says they missed the kick and lost eleven
yards of field position. And then Greg on the next
drive he hits me and Oha State has to take
a time out after that long pass.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I've noticed a handful of people when there's when they
have like a pass over fifteen yards let's say it,
and they're all rushing to the ball and there's a
new set of downs. Everyone's trying to get hurry up
on the ball and you know, run another play. And
in my mind, it's like, dude, if you were in
a god to have the situation, your first down essentially
is the same as if you're running. It was a

(05:26):
regular part of the game, like you have first, second, third,
and then you're usually gonna punt or do whatever after that.
If you're in a god to have the situation, why
I would clock it. Like you get a massive pass
down the field and you're under a minute fifteen area
of inn a minute, It's like, dude, go clock it
so you can get everything kind of put together before
stuff starts running away from you.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, So offensively, when to use timeouts is always a
little bit tricky, right, so college rules again being a
little bit different because the clock will stop for it.
It feels like it stops at a very irregular time, right.
You get our first down with under two minutes, and
the clock will stop as they move the chains. I
don't know if anybody knows. Does it stop for five seconds?

(06:08):
I don't know exactly the timeframe. Maybe a college guy
could tell me if there's a strict like how long
they hold the clock before they reset it or is
it dependent on how long the gain is and how
long they have to move the ball in the chains.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
I don't I don't know the answer to that. But tip.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
The point Wills making that he tip we texted about.
I thought Ohio State needed to start using some of
their timeouts on defense.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, because Indea popped him on third down past. Yeah,
that's the one they threw and they didn't they didn't
take a time out. They allowed Indiana to get you know, move.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
You just don't ever want to go down. You always
want to use your time general rule of thumb is
you want to use your timeouts on defense, and you
want to use all of your timeouts either on one
side or the other side of the two minute warning.
That's kind of like an NFL rule exactly how that
applies in college. I don't know all the ins and
outs because of the timing differences and whatnot, but that's like.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Typically in an NFL game, that's the rule of thumbs.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
So if you've already used the timeout with five minutes
to go, say, and you've got two remaining, you typically
want to use those remaining timeouts if you can on defense,
and you want to use them also on the plus
side of the two minute What a lot of coaches like,
and it goes back into the psychology of all this,
is they want to keep those timeouts for under the
two minute warning because it gives them this false security

(07:27):
that even though we're underneath the two minute warning, I'm
still as a defensive player, I'm no longer at the mercy,
I can still stop the clock, when in reality, if
you would have stopped it on the plus side of
the two minute, you actually would have more remaining time
set in the event you force to stop and turnover
on downs or a punt or whatever.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
But it just feels helpless to.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Not be able to stop the clock under the two
minute warning, which is why a lot of coaches opt
to use their timeouts on the bottom side, and that's
where they get in trouble because they split their timeouts.
But that's a whole different conversation. In that game, Yes,
they should have. I thought they should have went for it.
Try to take the lead. You're inside the ten, you're

(08:10):
the better team, you're big and physical, you pride yourself
on all these five stars. Go win the game. And
number two using the timeouts on defense, I thought. But
at the end of the day, it didn't really have
much of an effect. They didn't really have much of
a chance there at the end.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, I was watching the game last night, the Chiefs
versus the Texans, and then the Chiefs they pun it
to them. They're around like the thirty thirty five yard
line and there's like ten oh four left and it's
fourth and one, and they decided to go for it.
And that was a moment for me. I was like,
I wonder what Greg thinks about the situation because they
end up going for on fourth down because they're on

(08:47):
their own thirty five. They're on their own thirty five,
so it's fourth and one. If you don't get the
other team is obvious. They're already in field goal ring, right.
Both defenses have been playing incredible, like even though the
Chiefs defense is really like in the second half been
like way better than they were in the first half.
So they go for and fourth to one. Rashi Rice,
I think they You know, Mahome does a little bit
of magic, does it where she's getting hit as he's

(09:09):
the ball is hitting his hands, ends up dropping the ball.
It's Houston's ball. And you if you're the coach of
the Chiefs and I know and you read, he's an
absolute stud. He's at an offensive mindset. He's probably thinking
to himself, I got a war with my offense as
opposed to a defensive mindset, like Chris Collinsworth was talking
about on the broadcast, what would you do in the situation?
Are you putting and say, hey, we're incrementally like this
is the best move for us to play the field

(09:30):
position game at this point?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, So I was watching it live and I'll tell you,
I'll tell you what I would have said if I
was on the broadcast.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Is that fair?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
I would have said, the numbers, the analytics, the models,
whatever you want.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
To look at.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
That is a go situation, and it was a pretty
significant ghost situation. I think the models again, people value
them differently between like three and five percent, so a
significant win percentage shared in a game where nobody could really.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Get anything going offensively.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
I think, if I'm calling that game, I'm saying, hey,
the numbers tell you to go, and I am a
traditionally if it's close, I am, as individual always going
to err on the side of going. The better my
defense plays, actually, the more willing I am for my
offense to take some chances. We can talk about that
at a later time, but in that moment, I think,

(10:26):
I punt yeah, And that's me as like a guy
who really is in on this.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
I see the value.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I understand giving your offense and your team every opportunity
to win the game in regulation, not for us overtime,
win the game in regulation, and that is one of
the times where I do think the context of the
game matters.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
And if they.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Were ten yards further, if that ball was at the
forty instead of the thirty, I'm going for it. My
general rule of thumb, especially in a game where the
offenses are struggling. So Houston's offense had jack shit in
the last four possessions. I think my general rule of
thumb is if I give if I fail here and
I give you the ball back and you don't gain

(11:09):
one yard, it is fourth and ten, can you score
on me?

Speaker 5 (11:15):
And if the answer is yes, I'm probably not going
to go for.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
It, right, Yeah, because you're looking at how the game
is going. You're looking at Moe because you're going to kick.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
You gain zero yards, you kick a field goal, and
you did nothing to earn those three points.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Were essentially giving it to you. Yeah, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Now, if it was my game and it was the
Bengals and the Bills where the final score was thirty,
I don't know what it was, thirty thirty eight thirty,
it was both teams are over thirty, well into the thirties.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Here, if I'm calling my game in that situation, I'm
going for that one hundred percent of the time. You
know why, because whether I punt you the ball or
I give you the ball, nobody has proven they can
stop anybody. So you're gonna or anyway, I might as
well make it a faster.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Hey, I'm one with you because you're also but what
you're talking about right now, is momentum of the game.
What's kind of happening. Yes, if you watched that game,
they go.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
For the momentum. Best two aspects of the game that
wasn't momentum. That's who those teams are. Listen, they are
defensive teams.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
First off, I have so much respect for you, so
much show that when I'm watching the games, literally you
know that is no Well hey, but well let me
talk about it. Did you watch it? Did you watch
that full game last night?

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Which will game? I watched it, watched the second half.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Okay, so the second half, so you saw that them
go for.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
The fourth and one.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Up until that point, the Houston Texans had negative three
yards total in the second half. They were not They
could not move the ball at all. Balls are getting
battered down, they were getting tackled in the backfield, sack
the whole thing. They were playing awful. The minute they
don't get that fourth and one, they run the ball
five times and score a touchdown. So that is what

(13:05):
we talked about last week where the den they stopped
one in the juice that enters that football team boom
on Houston side, they're walking in there going Hey, essentially, boys, Hey,
we're in a four minute type of situation. Stam bounced,
no holdings, no penalties, you know, stay staying in between

(13:28):
the tackles, hold the ball two hands. They convert the
third down. They end up scoring a touchdown with the
special teams running back. The game is over at that point.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well it wasn't Overdy had two more possessions and what
did he do?

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Well, they dropped four balls, one.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
For I don't disagree like that to me, was and
I got.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
The momentum took over.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
The momentum took over of the game.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
It was all moment.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
During the SEC championship broadcast, you remember me talking about Greg,
I'm like, Greg's gonna hate this right now, but the
momentum is all on the Georgia side we're talking about, dude.
That is I know you hate it, but that is
truly when a defense is sitting there in the sideline,
I swear to God, all of us have done this,
whether you and me on offense or will on defense.
Something happens on your on the other side, and you're like,

(14:16):
fuck man, because you know, no matter what, they're getting
points and that is a deflator. You're still gonna play
just as hard. But those incremental things that you try
to grab right that you were talking about last week,
small little wins that equal a victory at the end
of the day. Momentum is a factor, and we saw
that last night on Sunday Night Football.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
You.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I'm not debating that we all felt that way. I'm
not debating that we've all walked onto the field feeling
more confident or feeling better. I'm not saying any of
that's not real. All I'm suggesting is it has no
bearing on the outcomes of the plays.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
All right, So let's take Thursday night.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I love it is exactly. This is the Monday I
wanted to start.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
With Dallas Detroit.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, I'm in the Bahamas with my wife celebrating her
fortieth birthday party.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Happy Birthday.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
We had a great trip. We had a great trip,
having a couple of cocktails, having a great time. So
I'm like loosely following the game, but like we're at
dinner and we're hanging out with friends, so I'm not
like sitting there living and dying with it. And all
of a sudden my phone starts. I'm getting texts people,
are you watching this game?

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Or thinking.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
And the situation was Dallas was down ten on fourth down,
and they kicked a field goal to make it. How
many score game, guys.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
One score game?

Speaker 5 (15:36):
They made it a one score game. They were juiced.
They had all the momentum.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
They had it.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
They had it.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
They took it from a two score game to a
one score game. They didn't go for touchdown. They kicked on.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Hey man, extend the game. Give guys hope.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Defense is gonna make a stop. Guess what Detroit did
on the next drive.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
They went the entire to score a touchdown. I know,
but they had all the momentum.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
I know by cutting it to one score.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
I was told by cutting it to one score, if
you went for a fourth down and it stayed a
two score game, everyone was going to be deflated. But
by taking the points, by kicking a short field goal,
you gave everyone on that sideline a boost of energy
to take the field. I'm not saying they didn't take
the field excited. I'm sure the sideline was thrilled that

(16:27):
they were down seven with a chance to get the
ball back. With the way Dak was playing, I'm not
suggesting any of that wasn't real I'm just suggesting it
didn't mean jack shit.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And that's one two where you go for it on
fourth down if you're Dallas. A.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I think you go for it if you're Dallas because
the opportunity to cut that thing to three. Knowing my
defense is not playing very well all year, let alone
that game, my best case is, all right, am I
gonna hold him to a three and out punt?

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Unlikely?

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Maybe maybe if I'm motivated enough, But if maybe I
can hold him to a field goal. And remember we've
had this conversation before. You're up three on me and
I'm on defense, You're on offense, and you're up three
at the end of the game, are you really excited
to try to go up six or are you probably

(17:16):
gonna try to score a touchdown or and go for
it and remain up three. You're you don't want to
kick a field goal to go up six, because that's
a whole different conversation.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
No matter what, we're gonna have four downs.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
You'd rather be tied in that situation than even be
up six, because then they're gonna be like, we have
four downs. Now they're gaining themselves different down, but again.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
They still getting really into the weeds that they took
ten to seven, which I was told is the key
to all of this.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
Get it to one score.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Everyone is so motivated and the momentum is so high
in your favor, and Detroit went right down and scored
a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
You were back down ten.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
For what this is? What this is?

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Sixteen minutes is so.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Not a full sixty minutes, But like whatever point you're
on the game, if you're in the second half of
the game, it's so important to know you you now
as a coach, you know how everything's going. This week
or last week. Everybody was talking about Cowboys. Look at that.
They get Kenny Clark, they got Quentin Williams. Look much
better of their defense? Is who's the linebacker? Logan Wilson.
We're buying, and we're buying it. And I said, listen, boys,

(18:22):
I'll go with you the Cowboys. I'm gonna let you know.
I've done this before. I know how this song and
dance goes. So when this game and I the only
reason I know is because it's right here. The Lions
win forty four to thirty. So at this point in
the game, you know your defense as great as they've
on all of a sudden become or as at the
at the you know, average as, which is great for them.

(18:43):
You need to go get the seven. You have to
go get the seven in situation because what is the
strength of your team. The strength of your team is
Dak Prescott and the wide receivers ceed the lamb at
this time is out though, But it's it's everything situational.
That's what makes football incredible. Now, if we have the
same situation and we are the Chiefs and the Texans,
I might lean a little bit more on taking three

(19:05):
now because it's like, hey, at the end of the day,
like I believe my defense can stop them and get
that three and out, go for a punt, maybe with
something crazy can happen. And then I have Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Does do you are you?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Are you buying? Are you buying that at all?

Speaker 5 (19:18):
I'm trying to figure out what yard line they were on?
Give me a second. Yeah, when they kicked the field goal.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
The Cowboys, Yeah, well it wasn't short.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
I want to say it was inside the five.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Hold on, yeah they were. They were fairly close. They
were pretty close.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Oh if you're inside the five, buddy, Like this.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Is the field goal? They kicked the field goal, uh
from the eleven and fourth, fourth and three.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
At the eleven.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
All right, so let me ask, so let's stay with
that train of thought about the good defenses. Right, so
we'll take the will take the Chiefs Houston game to
put them in the exact same context.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
And let's say it's seventeen to seven.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, it's a low scoring game, ten ten, seventeen seven,
whatever it is. It's yeah, seventeen. Well, well, we'll take
the exact same situation. Right, let's say it's yeah, seventeen seven.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
Is that what you said?

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I yeah, seventeen seven. Yeah, I'm sorry, seventeen to seven.
And I'm whichever team let's say I'm Kansas City because
they made the decision you know that everyone didn't like.
And they're trailing seventeen to seven. Yeah, and they have
the ball fourth and three at the eleven, kicking that
field goal to go fourteen to ten.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
I now kick the ball back off to c J.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Stroud and I give them the ball let's say the
thirty five yard line.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Do you think CJ.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Stroud or if my defense is dominating the game and
my offense is struggling, don't you think I should give
my offense the advantage if I'm gonna tip the scales
as a coach in and give the advantage. Which the
advantage or the short straw? Do you think you should
give the advantage to the team that's already really good

(21:06):
in this case, your defense and protect them and not?
Or do you think you should give you your offense
the advantage because you're telling me how good your defense is?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
No, I understand. What do you want your defense to
have the advantage? You want to give your offense as
much help as possible.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, So, if anybody's got to carry the short straw,
make it your defense, because I'm told how good they are,
and my offense is clearly struggling because we only have
seven points in this scenario, give them every chance because
I might not get the ball down to the eleven. Ever, again,
my best point, my best chance of trying this game
might be a fifty yard field goal down three. There's

(21:42):
no change going down seven, even if I get a stop.
The way this game is gone, there's no guarantee I
can even score a touchdown. I've only scored one up.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
Into this point.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
What tells you with the game on the line, you're
all of a suddenly going to figure out this Houston
defense and with the game on the line, go the
length of the field and score. So no matter how
you look at it, whether it's a high scoring game,
all right, you got to match points, keep your offense,
keep them on the field, or it's a low scoring game.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Hey, my defense is so much better than my offense.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
I need to give my offense all That's what Andy
Reid was thinking the other night. Andy Reid was thinking,
in a three down possession, I can't crack this Houston
defense there, I just I can't get it first down. Yeap,
I'm gonna have to use fourth down at some point.
What better forget the yard forget the yard line. In
his brain, he's saying, if I'm gonna give my offense

(22:33):
a chance to sustain a possession, to even kick a
field goal, I need to use fourth down because three
is clearly not getting it done. I got fourth and one.
It's no, it's never gonna get any better than that.
Fourth and one in the NFL is like seventy percent
conversion rate.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah. Yeah, you're saying, in a situation where it's seventeen ten,
you're still going to go for it because chances of
you being down at the eleven again or getting.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
The top seventeen to seven exactly, So situation we're talking about,
low scoring, defensive battle. I'm still going for a touchdown
because seventeen to seven from the eleven, fourth and three
from the eleven. If I kick a field goal there
and I even and I get a stop, I get
a three and out. Great, that's best case scenario. Do

(23:18):
you have a ton of confidence that you're gonna be
able to get the ball down there again and score
when you haven't really been able to do it the
entire game.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
No, that's a good point. Yeah, you know what I'm
I'm sitting over here and i know there's supposed to
be this debate happening, but I'm kind of I'm seeing
where you're coming from.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Here's the lasting watch all these situations. I'm like trying
to figure him out so much differently now, just with
Greg coming on each.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Week, It's like, yeah, he's a person. Life makes you
watch the world a little bit different.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, and I've enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Well, I appreciate that, but it's not necessarily like me,
I'm not trying to like champion this like crazy, radical
new age of thinking. But this is the way that
teams are thinking about the game. Andy Reid did not
make that decision in a vacuum, in the moment, out
of thin air. We're talking about a guy that's played

(24:08):
in six Super Bowls. Seven Super Bowls one four aren't
going to be a Hall of Fame first ballot. This
guy's forgotten more about football than nice Andy Reid. He's
forgotten more football than pretty much vast majority of the
people that are on earth. And people are just so

(24:30):
excited to crush him this morning for that decision. Because
we only we only evaluate the outcome if they got
a yard and a half there and they went down
and kicked the field goal, and let's say they ended
up winning the game. There was not going to be
one article, one tweet, one radio host, not one personality

(24:52):
maybe outside of this show, who was going to go
you know why they won because Andy Reid went for
it on fourth down and we need to give him
a a plus.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
No one was set.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
No one applauds when it works. No one this morning
woke up and said, Sean McDermott up by four end
of the game instead of kicking a field goal to
go up seven and take the point and make it
a touchdown game. He went for fourth down because he's
got the best player in the world, and Josh Allen

(25:21):
scores a touchdown to make it a true two score
game and it was over but no one had but
if he failed, and Joe Burrow then went down by four,
went the length of the field and had a walk
off touchdown. Sean McDermott's he's the number one topic of
every sports show this morning, and he's getting crushed, but
no one's giving him praise for making the right decision.

(25:46):
And that's why coaches are so scared to do this,
because it's easier to stand at the podium and say
kick the field goal, went up seven. Got to do
a better job getting a stop in that moment. Well,
you didn't get to stop the whole game. Joe Burrow
was incredible outside of one pick six that he just
threw to the gether. Like, we judge the outcome so

(26:07):
evenly because people are so anti this analytics tag that
they throw on everything, and I don't even think people
know what the hell they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Right, Yeah, no, Yeah, The world of football as we
know it is evolving in front of our eyes, and
it's taking a lot of time for people to catch
up to the thought process of it's no longer about
playing field position being conservative, is now about let's define
the game right now. When the time to define the
game happens, we're going to define it good or bad.
We're going to know where we're at after this play.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
And I love I love how you take it to
the thought process of the head coach, like the absolute leader,
the guy who has all the responsibility and accountability, because
you're right, it's like if you kick go up seven,
Joe Burrow goes down, ties it or whatever it is.
It's like, yeah, we need to do a better job
of getting to stop. Like all everything will be essentially
on the players. Not that they're blaming the players, but

(26:58):
everything's so easy to kind of sit there say we
got to do a better job of getting the stop,
and then all the the reporters and writers of the
world curated to essentially the players not getting the stop.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
They've got to figure Yeah, And it's also what Dan
Quinn and Dan Campbell, these are the two that kind
of started this whole thing of going for and fourth
down and coaches are starting to realize, or the ones
that have some a sack are like, Okay, if we're
gonna get something done, like it's going to be defined
not when it hit zero, but when it's five minutes
left in the game. We're gonna know exactly how this

(27:28):
outcome is gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
And if it doesn't work out, I'll be the one
up there. I'll take every fucking.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Tick, every bullet in the world. Which is a ball
to do.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Do you guys remember two years ago in the playoffs
when Dan Campbell when the Lions lost.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yep, was the Packers.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
Yeah, the NFC champion.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I believe NFC Championship because I'm like screaming at the
TV saying I don't know why you're not kicking the
field goal?

Speaker 5 (27:50):
I should I should.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Hey, that's big of you to sit there and be like,
I know.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I want to say. It was the forty nine ers
in the NFC Championship.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yes, and they lost. There's a couple fourth downs where
it's like their story.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I think they went over three. H they at least
went over two. He might have went over three. You
remember him after the game standing at the podium, and
he's an emotional where's his emotions on a sleeve type
of a guy. And he's answering and he's standing tall,
but you could tell he's crushed. And he stood there
and he just ate it and he just took it.

(28:24):
And if he says, I'll do it again, and everybody
wanted to kill him, right, everybody couldn't believe it.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
You cost your sale seat.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
But when you take a step back, Detroit's not in
the NFC Championship without that approach, right. So we were
fine with it when they were the greatest story in football,
but now all of a sudden it didn't work out. Right,
We want to judge the outcome, not the reason why
they did it, just the outcome, which is so lazy
and it's so easy to sit in hindsight and retrospect

(28:57):
and go, man, I was a dumb decision. Well, yeah,
you have the luxury of knowing the result. That's not
decision making. That's not the world. And has Dan Campbell
changed one ounce of his approach since then?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
No? No, do you think.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
He's scared to get up in front of the press
conference and answer it again if it doesn't work?

Speaker 1 (29:16):
No? I like it diving into uh where you were
touching on earlier the Bengals Bills over there like twenty
something points scored in the last few minutes of the game. Bro,
How nuts of a game was that? Man, We had
the snow going out there, them trying to brush the
yard lines off. The numbers like that was when everybody

(29:39):
watching at home, that's like, this is football right here.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
You're starting to hear everybody go, we're in playoff football. Yeah,
it's our playoffs. This is it, and it's fucking it's
awesome to see.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, Bengals had a lead and then those last few minutes,
man just flipped.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Which is which is great because I mean you said
it earlier. Like Josh Allen, he's the greatest FOOTBA player
in the world world. The last four or five weeks,
it's kind of been in question a little bit, like
he hasn't his wide receiver group. They're not getting a
whole lot of separation. He's holding the ball up more.
He's not being as dynamic getting down down the field
as we saw him win the MVP last year. And
then half the game he has in front of you

(30:15):
while you're calling it, like, I just that fires me
up for Buffalo to be like, oh, that's the same
fucking dude, because they're starting to get chattered whisper, Hey, hey,
Josh Allen. Is he not saying he's not the guy,
but is he having a down year? Is it his fault?
Is he the reason? And so watching all unfold, man,
it was incredible from your vantage point. Did the Bengals

(30:36):
fucked this game up? Or was it just so it
was just like Josh Allen and the dominance of the
Buffalo Bills that really brought it home.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I think we saw two really high level quarterbacks just
absolutely rip it for four quarters.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
And there was one bad playmate.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
And Joe Burrow had Christian Benford come off the slot
and it was a hint it was a run play.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
So we had talked.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
We had talked at the be getting everything that Buffalo
is trying to do in the run game is they're
gonna use some corner cats, they're gonna use some perimeter
pressure from safeties and corners, and they're gonna try to
knife you and cause some negative runs. Right, everything's about
trying to create negatives on those early downs. So Joe
Burrow sees Christian Benford come off the slot and he's
pulling the ball and you can see he's trying to

(31:19):
get a handle on it to throw like a little
inside little lookie, like a little looky dart into the
into the void of where the pressure came from off
the off the edge, and he just doesn't get a
great handle on it, and he kind of pushes it
and he doesn't get nearly enough height on it, and
he throws it right into the hands of Christian Bedford
and he takes it back for a touchdown. Outside of

(31:41):
that play, you can't play quarterback better than Joe Burrow
and Josh Allen did collectively in a game.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
It was big time froze.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
It was in pressure, it was escapability, it was in
the snow accuracy, it was all of it encompassed into
one game. And that was an unfortunate play by Burrow,
and shit happens, but it was remarkable. And the point
about Josh Allen, so we said in our open a

(32:11):
lot of talk about James Cook in this run game
and the style which looks very different than what it
used to look like in the early days of Josh Allen,
where he was in the shotgun on every play and
he had the ball in his hand on every play,
and it was magic and he was Superman for four quarters.
The last couple of weeks, to your point, Tailors is
you're exactly right. They got very much away from that.

(32:32):
Last week two weeks ago against Pittsburgh, Josh was a
relative non factor outside of run here and there. It
was a heavy, heavy run game with Cook. We sat
in our open don't let it fool you. Critical moments,
critical downs, third down, goal line, gotta have it, two
minute drill, everything's on the line. The ball is going
to be in Josh Allen's hand, and he single handedly

(32:54):
won the game. He's got a forty something yard scramble
touchdown when they were down ten to cut it, then
again to play the game. Third and fifteen. Cincinnati is
about to get the ball punted back to him down five.
They just sacked Josh on second on they sacked him
on first down, so it was third and fifteen. They

(33:16):
max drop, they only rush four. They don't get to him,
and he scrambles untouched for a first down.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
And they taken me and win the game. I mean,
he was the.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Best player on the field, and that's the Josh Allen
and the Buffalo Bills that were accustomed to seeing and
when it mattered most that did feel like a playoff game.
Even though one team was eight four one team was
four and eight. It had playoff fives, playoff atmosphere, and
Josh Allen was the best player on the field.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
You think this Buffalo Bills team's got enough to get
to the super Bowl this year? You know, great hates question,
I know, but it's like when you go against these
legit defenses, no, just in Denver, Like the thing with
Buffalo is their inconsistency and kind of the you know,
their their weakness is their defense. Yeah, so when you're
going up against these these elite defenses that I just mentioned,

(34:04):
it's like, you know, do they have enough? Are they
going to have enough to get to the super Bowl?
Because that's kind of the question with the Bills every year.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, I think the advantage in the AFC for all
the teams. So I'm gonna answer your question and not
answer your question. The answer is yes, right, I think
they're good enough, and I think partially is because of
Josh Allen and when you have a quarterback like that,
especially if Lamar's not in it and Burrow's not in
it and Mahomes isn't in it, Like if that all

(34:32):
plays out, that those teams are all home for as
good as Drake May is. Oh, Nick's like these guys
are Drake May could potentially be the MVP. Do any
of those AFC teams really scare you? Are you saying,
oh my god, how are we going to beat the
fifteen win Chiefs? Oh my god, how are we going
to beat the thirteen win.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Ravens?

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah? Yeah, not really, not really.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
I think any of those AFC teams could be any
of those teams. I think the path through the AFC
this year is vastly different than it has been the
last couple of years, where it was almost a foregone
conclusion it was going to come down to some combination
of Lamar, Josh Allen, and Mahomes. Right, seemed like everybody
else was just playing like fun games, like, yeah, it's

(35:18):
really cool that the Texans made it. Oh, it's really cool.
But did any of those teams really think that they
were going to make a run to the Super Bowl?

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Not really.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I think every all seven AFC teams that end up
making it this year, I think home away whatever. If
I was in the AFC, I would not be scared
to play any of them. I'm probably not thrilled to
play Houston's defense.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, they are so good.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
I don't fear.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
All the advantage I have playing against Houston is I'm
not like, holy shit, the defense is so good and
I got to find a way to score twenty five points.
You might be able to beat them by scoring thirteen
to seventeen points.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's not like NFC feels like
it's what the NFC West and the Packers.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
NFC is a juggernaut.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
NFC is psychotical.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, it's like, I don't want to throw the Niners
out of it at all because of what they've done
this year. But so you got the Rams, Seattle, the Niners,
and the Packers, I feel like are the ones that
are playing high level football.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, even though defending Super Bowl champion and the defending
Super Bowl champ who yes have been a very weird
anomaly as far, still could arguably be the most talented,
not the best, but the most talented roster in football
who just went on a playoff run last year and won.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
The whole thing.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
And they're like the fifth sixth option out of the NFC, right, now.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
On paper, right, yeah, that is scary. But for Buffalo,
to me, it's like, if you run into a team
that can run the ball effectively and play good defense,
you're you're in trouble. That's where that's you get Bige,
that's where we get to right their offense. But like
Bo Nicks, Sean Payton and the dever Broncos, I feel
like they might be from a playoff standpoint, the most

(37:08):
built to play in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Until the Patriots go down. Man, I like, obviously they've
had a weaker schedule when we talk about schedules, and
we're gonna get see it this weekend when it's Buffalo
Patriots round two now.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
But the thing that I don't know who I was
listening to on the drive is Coward. He was talking
about the Patriots and he's like, yeah, but they they
are not like really great at wearing the football. They're
great throwing the football, which is I know, great. Trust me,
I'm gonna I'll land this plan to where we can
both agree. But when you get into the playoffs and
you're playing in the stadiums in January, when it's open

(37:40):
that the weather is different, it's freezing outside wind everywhere snow,
it's now more difficult to throw the ball down the
field the way that the Patriots have. It's like you
have elements playing against you along with the defense as well.
That's what makes me worried for the Patriots, because you're right,
like the best team in the AFC right now is
clearly the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Oh, I agree with. I don't disagree or pushback on anything.
You just say, playoff football the formula for playing good offense.
You know, just winning in the playoffs is very different
than winning in the regular season.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
You've said that a few times on the show.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
So as I sit here and talk about the value
of the passing game and scoring points and all that
in the regular season.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
Yes, when you look at the best.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Teams year in and you're out, there's always going to
be a couple that are like top five defenses and
like middle of the road to bottom half offenses. The
vast majority of the teams in the playoffs every year
are going to find themselves in like the top ten
of offense. Different years. There's different anomalies, but over large
periods of times it's an offensive driven playoff picture. And

(38:46):
then there's the couple wrinkles when you get to the
playoffs and all the crappy teams are home, and we're
only left with teams that are for the most part
good at offense. They're probably have a good quarterback, there's
probably some element of a passing game. Now, what is
the differentiating factor to weed out the remaining teams? Run
game defense, special teams, clock management, end of game strategy like,

(39:10):
that's where all those things carry even a bigger significant
So no, I don't push back on any of that.
I think running them. I think the way Josh. I
think the way the Bills are built. While they're nine
and four in the regular season and people are going,
what's wrong with the Bills. We're used to them having
thirteen wins, I actually think a worse regular season record

(39:31):
as a result of the way they're playing, I actually
think bodes better for them come playoff time because they
don't need a hero performance every single minute in every
play from Josh Allen. And that's been their problem in
the years past.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
The thing that going to the other team that just
played the Bengals, you know, those things obviously out of
the controllables are like Joe Burrow every year he's getting hurt,
and you kind of go back to the after his
first season when he tore his ACL and they're like,
they have a top five pick, they should take an
offensive lineman. They name taking Jamar Chase, which is you know,
obviously played out extremely well, but every year he's getting hurt.
He's three and one this year as a quarterback, and

(40:07):
their defense is terrible. Like, as you're watching the game
and just from your football brain seeing everything on the field,
how far off is that defense and is that offensive
line from being like, Okay, we can now start looking
at the Bengals again as a team that we need
to throw in the AFC consistently, because every preseason it's like, oh, yeah,
these are the guys and you less enough the quarterback

(40:27):
and Joe Burrow's clearly in there, but then it's always
an injury that takes place, and look how shitty their
defense is.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, so I think offensively, I'm not saying the offensive
line is great. They're average to blow average as a group,
but quarterbacks elevate the ceiling of an offense and offensive line.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
Elevate the floor.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Right, So the better your offensive line is, you just
build up. Okay, we're at least as good as this,
whatever that level is. But when you have a quarterback
and you have Jamar Chase and t Higgins was great yesterday,
and you have all this skill and the ability to score,
you can outplay your offensive line. You can play above
and beyond what they're capable of. I think the year

(41:09):
that they went to the Super Bowl, wasn't he sacked like.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Seventy times? Yea, the most you sacked one hundred times
in that game.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
But that game came down to Aaron Donnald.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Couldn't protect the passer because Aaron Donald, who was an animal.
So I say all of that to say, offensively, I
think they're fine. Now you're paying a ton of money
to offensive skill players, and that's gonna come at the
demise of something else. Right, You're gonna have to draft really,
really well. You're gonna have to win. You draft offensive lineman,
defensive lineman. You're gonna have to play a lot of

(41:42):
young players because you need some cheap contracts to offset
the really expensive guys. And that's the nature of anybody
who's paid a top, top of the market quarterback, and
that's anybody that has multiple highly paid offensive or defensive
players but traditionally offensively, So it really puts a ton
of stress on your draft picks and those young d

(42:03):
linemen and those young linebackers that Cincinnati right now has
in the lineup, how fast and how good can they be?
Because again, they don't need to be the Houston Texans defense.
They don't need to hold people to fourteen points a game.
If they could, it's kind of along the lines of
like Dallas, right, So I kind of look at them
at the same portion. If they could keep their offense

(42:24):
exactly where it is and just get middle of the road,
be the sixteenth, the eighteenth, the twentieth rank defense ind
points per game, you're gonna win a lot of games,
but you can't be scoring thirty and give up thirty two.
And that's Dallas, that's Cincinnati. So I think that's all
of their resources going forward have to be put on

(42:47):
the defensive side of the ball. And that's easier said
than done because it's gonna mostly come through the draft,
and you better draft really well because those guys are
gonna play, and if they don't play, you got no
shot because you missed on your draft picks and all
your cheap assets aren't good enough to elevate the game
and you just it's gonna be what they have.

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we gonna start giving some respect to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

(46:10):
I'm not ready to sneaky sneak sak in the AFC. Trevor, like,
the offense is playing better. Obviously that'll be kind of
the question mark going into the playoffs. But they have
what the number one run defense in football right now,
they're top, they're up there. Jaguars are up there defensively

(46:30):
stopping the run. But Jaguars can be spicy in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Greg, Yeah, they play.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yeah, And it goes back to our previous conversation. I
think every single team in the AFC playoff picture enters
the playoffs and going this thing runs through us.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, yeah, Man, heart goes out to Danny Dimes, Daniel Jones,
bro like I when he's hitting the ground and you're
hearing that it's an achilles, Like, I felt so fucking
bad for him. And that's just where the thought goes
into my mind, where it's like admiration and playing honorably
does not eventually get you paid. Because he's out there

(47:07):
playing on a fractured fibula, like he's tough, He's got
this story. I personally like, as competitors, you just love
to see this quarterback. He's got something going on, but
he's trying to make it happen because the Colts have
a real shot this year. And then to go out
there and see it go down like that and he
ruptures his achilles, knowing that this's got it's a compensation,
like just knowing that all that played into it, and

(47:29):
you just see the emotion I am pounding the ground.
He's on a you know, basically a prove it contract
this year. He was proving it this year and to
go down like that with an achilles injury, you know
it's going to be part of the entire situation when
he gets paid next to.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
A huge part of it, like tens of millions of dollars. Yeah,
especially in the quarterback room. The good thing, let's play
this whole thing out. The good thing for Danny Dimes
is they trade away their first round pick to acquire
Sauce Gardner.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
So by making that decision, you're saying, you're telling the
rest of the NFL, Okay, we are going for a
Super Bowl this year. That's that's what you're telling the
rest of us. But what you're also doing is you're
giving all the leverage to Daniel Jones and saying you've
proven enough to be our quarterback of the future. We
want you to be our guy. We want you to
be our guy so much that weird, we're gonna take
this first round pick we have, We're throwing out the window.

(48:19):
We don't have to worry about a quarterback at all
in the drafting more because you're our guy.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Yeah, we're gonna get a defensive piece.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, now the situation happens, he's I still believe. I
think he's gonna be a cult next year. I think
he's gonna have one hundred million dollar contracts. Probably he
probably have a similar contract to Sam Donald. It's not
gonna be insane like you see like the mahomes lamar
As all those guys. But you're gonna get yourself. You know,
one hundred and ten, one hundred and twenty probably could
have been one to fifty. Stopped me. If you guys

(48:44):
think I'm wrong at all.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
I don't know all the I don't know all of
the contractual stuff with like I'll say the top ten
to fifteen guys. I think, dude, some dads are making
like but bro, yeah, I don't you say Sam Donald.
I'm like, yeah, I don't know if it's gonna be
a Sam Donald. Like Sam Donald still went he went
like what fourteen and two last year or whatever the
numbers were, Like, had a tough playoff game, but he
still went off and got broke off because he played

(49:07):
really well and finished like statistically, he was one of
the better quarterbacks in the NFL. Daniel Jones was for
the first half of the season, had a couple shaky
last coupleys because he's playing on a fractured fibula, a
fractured leg, goes down with an achilles injury, which is
one of the worst injuries to have as a player.
Like I don't see him, I see them trying to
figure out a way to take care of him and

(49:28):
everything else. But make no mistake, they will be using
that against him. To no doubt, he will not even
come close to what he could have gotten paid.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
As we all sit here as all washed up athletes,
I love your opinion on this. Obviously, there was a
time when you were playing. You have an injury and
it's not your hurt. You have an actual injury where
it's like this could long term hurt you, and you
put the helmet on, you decide to play. All those
times you did that, all of the times you did that, like,
did it ever? Do you think it paid off? Do

(49:54):
you think it's worth going out there being tough for
your team, doing all the things that were a brainwashed
as a kid, like toughness. You have to be tough
no matter what, all the things. Do you think it's
really worth that? Or the world we live in now
we have to understand how much of a business it
actually is. And maybe these old heads that were talking
to us when we first got in the league, they
were right all along.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
It's a great question, and I sit here now my
answer is, of course it was worth it.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yeah, right, Like.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I think learning how to play through injury, and learning
how to play hurt and learning how to never feel great,
I think that's a learned skill. I think you have
to learn. I used to tell young guys all the time.
Before you're able to play with a sprained ankle, you
better be able to practice with a sprained ankle. By
the time you play with a shoulder that's feeling crappy
in the game, you better see what that what that

(50:41):
shoulder feels like on Wednesday, and figure out how to
get yourself moved and shaken and what break. There's an
art to playing for long periods of time. There's an
art to not missing games. People always say, oh, man,
you've been so lucky with injuries. Yes, you're lucky that
you don't get catastrophic injuries, right you break your leg,
tear your ac l, blow your achilles, shoulder like, there's

(51:03):
some there's some injuries that are just unavoidable and you
just can'n't care how tough you are, you just can't
play through them. But there's a lot of games missed
by guys where I would argue they can play through them.
The art of learning how to do that is very different.
Now I had the ability, and.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
It's all very long time. It's all very gray, subjective, like, yeah,
you don't know and you don't know how this guy feels.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, if every time I didn't feel good, and if
every time I woke up not feeling my best, or
every time I put on my cleats and my foot
was sore and my ankle was sore and my head
felt a little groggy, or if every time that happened
I went to the trainer and got put into some
sort of rehab process, I would have played five years.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
There's an element of luck. There's an element of preparation,
right what you do to your body. There, it's not
a coincidence that some guys do some guys don't get hurt.
I think there are some elements of it guys control.
I think there's some elements that are completely out of
your control. I do think there's a third element that
guys are scared to really talk about that. I think

(52:13):
you got to just learn how to play with shit,
and there's an art to it. If I told you
the amount of things I've had injected, not with pain killers,
but like we've all had tourtal, we've all had anti courtizone,
anti inflammator, Like we've all done it. At least I'll
raise my hand.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
And say I've done.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Every single game I never had.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Now, I'll be clear, I've never had pain killers. I've
never played a game on pain killers. I'm not judging
people who have. I was in a different era early
in my career. Guys were still doing like DMSO and
it was a little bit different. That kind of went
away with the new CBA and all that. But like,
I never played a game on pain killers. I was
never given painkillers. After my couple surgeries. I never even

(52:56):
took them, Like I stayed away from pain killers. But
I've had corterzone shots in almost every joint in my body.
I've had back injections where on Fridays I couldn't stand up.
I'd have back injections and play on Sunday, Like that's
the reality of the game. And I wouldn't do it
any different if I had to go back. But I
also had the luxury of playing fourteen years and I

(53:19):
went ten years without missing a game. I was very
lucky in that sense. But I also played a lot
of games where I was not healthy. I played games
with broken elbows in a big ass brace, and I
played games with a broken like you just do what
you gotta do to play, and I don't regret any
of it.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, it is all very situational. Luck does come into
the equation a lot, like it's it's like I'm proud that,
Like I had a Grade two PCL that I had
torn and I got PCL's the worst and I was
back like I was, you know, I was absolutely everything
I possibly could to get back, and I was back
on the practice field like eight or nine days was
able to I missed one game. It was actually against Carolina.

(53:55):
When you guys came to town in like twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Or something like greg Olson on the list, he was scared. Yeah,
oh yeah, buddy, I hear you know what to be
an honest coach, not this week.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
And you know I was in a spot too where
I was on a what is it called when you
were not a restricted I was an exclusive rights free
agent that year. Since I had a practice squad year
and another credited season didn't count toward my free agency,
they had me on an exclusive rights free agency deal.
And then the next year I was going to be
a restricted free agent. And you're hopeful that they're going

(54:30):
to admire your willingness to fight and get back on
the field and hopefully it gets you on the back end.
But playing those the rest of the season on a
torn PCL, it's like there there's one play against New
York where we're on a win and in game and
Eli Manning hits put the old index fingers together, I
know what plays coming. They're doing a three flat screen.
I'm mugged up in the a gap. I tell Mason Foster, hey,

(54:52):
you run the blitz. I'll take the coverage in this assignment.
Whenever we identify where their block of protection. I see
ELI do this. I'm coming as a three player. I'm
gonna be the one that chases this three flat screen.
I couldn't break down good enough. I missed the tackle
damn win in the game. That's weighed on my mind
forever because I look back and like, because I'm playing
on the torn PCL, you're hoping it pays off for you.

(55:13):
They get you in an undrafted restricted rights for agent.
Like it doesn't. It didn't work out for me that way.
But then I think about when I was trying to
make the team on practice squad my rookie year, and
I have a torn hamstring and I'm just like, Okay,
Keenan Robinson has a torn pack, he's out for the year.
He's on IR. Jeremy Kimbro the guy in front of me,
he just tore his hamstring like fully.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Grade three off the bone. He's out.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
It's my time to run with the twos. I had
caught a Grade two of my upper like right below
my ass and it was fucking painful. But if I
don't go out there and play, I never even play
in the NFL. So to me, it's like there is
this I guess, like skill or whatever you want to
call it. Then there's these unlucky situations where you think
back on it's like, damn, I shouldn't have played on

(55:56):
that torn PCL. But all of my entire mentality I'm
playing with injury. It's like I probably would have never
even been in that position anyway. Yeah, so it is
it's like, uh, what is it? Is this a phrase
where you used to catch twenty two? I never even understood.
Don't your career? It's like, I see what.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
It made your career? Yes, and then others my biggest regret.
So I say all of this that I don't have regrets.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
I guess I do have one. Two thousand and seven.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
So I went from two thousand and seven to two
thousand and seventeen and I never missed a game. Twenty seventeen,
Week two, I break my foot at home, maybe against Dallas.
I don't remember who it was, but it was our
first home game. I broke my foot. I broke my
fifth metatarsal.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Yeah, so it's a bit of an injury.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I have two scenarios. We we thought we had a
really good team and throughout we were winning. And so
there's two scenarios. You can go in and get a
screw put in and it's like a six to eight
week recovery, which I'm always like, oh, I'm gonna be
five right, like we all think.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
We all play that game.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Or you can go in and you can get the
screw and a bone graph, and you're out for the
whole season. So in my mind, I'm like, well, that's
not Why would I ever you tell me six to
eight weeks.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
I'm doing six to eight weeks. Why would I do
three months and miss.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
The whole season.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Yeah, So I go, I get the bone graph, I
rehab like crazy, and I come back and we make
the playoffs. I wasn't particularly great movement wise, but I
was good enough to play the rest of the year
and finish the season. We lost in the playoffs, but
I was like it was worth coming back to finish
the year with the guys, Right, I go all off season,
no issues with my foot feeling better, better, better. First

(57:45):
game of two thousand and eighteen, I rebreak my foot,
same foot, same foot. I cracked so the pit the
screw held, I cracked the bone on top and bottom
but the bone was held together by this screw that
was put in a year ago.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
So I missed the next like three games.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
But they tell me, as long as the bone holds,
as long as once it breaks all the way through,
you're gonna have to get surgery. Anyway, you could try
to play through this. Well, we do everything in our
power to get the bone to heel, bone stimulators, you
name it. And I come back and through my rehab process,
I get planner.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
Fashiet is.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
I'm playing down in Tampa and my planner explodes. It's
like I stepped on a hand grenade. So I'm done now,
seasons lost. I go now have a second surgery on
that foot. Bone graph fix it. That foot never felt better.
I developed some other foots compensation stuff on the other leg.

(58:44):
Long story short. If I would have gotten the bone
graph initially and missed all of the twenty seventeen season
and just bag that, I think I played the entire
eighteen without missing time. I played the entire nineteen and
maybe I played longer. Maybe the last three years of
my career. I'm more productive. I'm better right, who knows.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
But in the moment, there was no telling me to
do the longer surgery to like worry about myself and
not come make a playoff run like that never even
that never was even an option.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah yeah, man, when they kind of put these things
in front of you. In twenty sixteen, we were playing
the Indianapolis Colts at the Colts and this is this
is the first year I made my first Pro Bowl,
and I was I think, we're like halfway through the
season and I'm kind of greg I'm on like a
little bit of a tear, like no sacks giving me
Jack Clonkin as well, like Jack had like maybe one
sack or like even no sacks as well. But we're

(59:40):
like in the eighth week and it's like they're starting now.
We whispers like we're turning around. Where we went from
three to thirteen, now we're going there. We end up
being nine and seven. It's like, oh fuck, like this
is a real possibility. My team is gonna be like,
you can make the Pro Bowl this year. You're playing
like that, So this is like all my mind. We're
playing the Colts. We slide the protection to the right,
so I go from being man on this guy they
have seven up and Marcus goes, hey, we're sliding all

(01:00:02):
the way right. So I go and I take over
the four I and I have him into Marco. Murray
cuts the edmin on the line of scrimmage into my
left leg, hyper extends my leg and so I hear
like a crack and I like lay there and I'm like, no,
is this what it's like to tear your a cl
And they come up. Doctor comes up, does the thing
and he goes, hey, we think you tore your a cl.

(01:00:23):
We think you're done for the year. We'll have to
do em Ara on it. I'm you know, I get
in the blue tent, we go in the locker and
I'm like this, there's no fucking way that this is
how it ends. I end up getting the MRI and
there's like what, I don't know what whatever bone, this
one is the big one. I have like a crack
down it and they're like, hey, you good news. Bad news.
Good news is this bone has a hairline fracture down it.

(01:00:45):
The bad oh no, that's the badness. The good news
is your ACL is your aco is actually intact.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
It's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Maybe to take a couple of weeks off. Let's get this.
Let's get this bone to heal. Up just fine, and
then we know we can go through this here, and
I'm like, there's no fucking way. We played the Bears
next week and you talked about never did pain pills
or anything like that. I never took pain pills during
a game. But from week like eight to like I
think we got into the wild card that every Monday
through Saturday, it was popping a couple Sundays. I felt

(01:01:15):
too uncomfortable to take anything like that because I wanted
to have my wits about me. But it was do
as much as you possibly can, and it ends up
working out that way where it's like, all right, made
the Pro Bowl. But like that detalks after when the
season's over. I guys don't talk about that enough where
it's like you, yeah, you put yourself in that position.
I'm a I got four or five days where I'm
like legitimate withdrawals of like shaking, uncomfortable and it just

(01:01:41):
it sucks. But you you go back to it and
you're like, I'm so proud I did that, because if
there's a piece of you, like week twelve, when the
boys are like I'm feeling this way, like you know
you're gonna be like you know, I got like a
hairline fracture. I'm playing on a broke I'm playing on
a broken leg, like at.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
The end of the year. By the end of the year,
it's a compound fracture.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you're just yeah exactly, it's like, oh,
you you you rolled your ankle. That's cool. My leg's
broken and I'm in it's been broken for six seven weeks.
But yeah, you go ahead if you want to play,
it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yeah, you kind of take that. You kind of just
take that risk. Man. Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it's again,
it's like Danny when I heard that he had the
like a fracture, he was playing on a fracture fibula.
The p ATSD in my brain is I had before
I had my broken fifth minute tarsal.

Speaker 7 (01:02:25):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
It was at Nebraska and we were in this big
time linebacker competition with a few of us in the
same class. This is Levante David's first year as well.
He's making splash plays. And I had a hairline on
my on my foot when I got X rays and
it was like, hey, you could miss the opening week
of the season. I was slated to be the starter.
So on my head, I'm like, you know, you can't
not be on the field or on the practice field

(01:02:46):
and let other guys get opportunity because somebody might when
it's close, because they could take it over. And so
I go out there in the next week of practice.
It was the Thursday kind of like a jog through.
It was just helmets before the first before the opening
game of the season, and it's just a guy jogs
and runs a stick route. I plant below my fifth
menataur soul. I have to get the pin put in it.

(01:03:08):
I'm out, I think seven weeks, come back for the
Texas game. But by the time I come back from
my broken foot with now a pin in it. Lavonte
David is Levante, the lavalante Dave is now that we've
seen in the league that's played forever. He comes out
first game, has thirteen tackles, blow somebody up over the middle.
I'm up there on a scooter watching from the press box,
just thinking, Yeah, this job ain't gonna be here when

(01:03:29):
I get back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
That the worst feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Yeah, but it's Lavante was such a stud. You just
kind of you might have these arguments in your head
of you know, if coaches might be feeling a guy,
But hey, I know I'm playing better than this guy.
That was one where it's like Leavonte, the way he
slipped through blocks and everything else. Him being undersized, It
didn't matter the dude. The tape kind of spoke for itself,
and it's one you can't really just kind of you

(01:03:53):
know what, rolling situations? Am I going to get to
play some ball?

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I didn't even know if you get hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
But the fifth meta tarsl sucks man with the pen
the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Yeah, I know we're right end of my career. I
know we got to get out of here before we
got rock Tampa Bay lose the Saints. I looked at
that game and I was like, I'm not even gonna watch.
Just look down at the ship. I'm like, holy shit,
they the Saints one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
And so now like your Panthers are right there, they're tired,
they shot. You think they're gonna pull it off.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
Against it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
They got two games, they got to two of their
last four against Tampa. They got two against Tampa Heart
a tough game against Seattle and against New Orleans this week.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
So it's in there. It's in their hands.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Greg, you're the man, bro, thank you for appreciate you
guys for joining the boys. Uh, see you again next
week and I'll be watching ball all situations when I'm
gonna be texting me in to text you text me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
See you, brother.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I love that dude. What a fucking guy. Just just
a good thirty minutes for all the viewers out there
listening who want a football recap, just hearing me Will
and Greg talk about how tough we were at one
point in our lives. Are you hurt or are you injured?
And we didn't get to talk about this dude, But
I feel like the true path of an athlete, like
being a true athlete, is the ability to compensate, Like

(01:05:09):
you can be fast, strong, quick, all those things, but
it's when these like issues happened in the foot and body,
like Greg brought it up, like when he had that
fifth minute to tars for the second time he had
other compensation issues. Great athletes have the ability to like
compensate when other things aren't working the way they're supposed
to do it. So it's just I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Appreciate that shout out, man, Yeah, I mean back in
my second I don't even know how many injuries. How
many times I've been under the under the scope.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Did you see, Jordan, you had five surgeries in college?

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Yeah, so my freshman, my red shirt year, my right laborm.
That's when I called the twelve anchors. I broke my foot.
I had a paranial ten and removed. I had to
get a paranial tenant removed in my left ankle. So
both feet had been under the microscope. Uh pro day.
Right after the pro day, I had to fly to

(01:05:58):
Europe and I had a sports arn. You tore my
PCL that never got fixed, never had to fix that.
I want to say, that's one that you can kind
of avoid. Like Troy palmlu I believe playing on the
torn PCL, and you know, he was a He's an
absolute monster. But the torn PCL, I think that's I
believe that's it. Oh yeah. And then Liz Frank Liz

(01:06:20):
frankfore I came to Tennessee. That was fucking brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
The only surgeries I've had an ACL and a ACL reconstruction. Yeah,
those are the only two. What they were the death
of me. But sometimes you just got a bunch of
body shots. I think a head shot, you know what,
I'm saying, but I had, dude, I got this thumb.
I told you about this, right. We went to go
see the doctor. Wing cut her thumb. Yeah, so Wing
cuts her thumb and the doctor's like, yeah, it's gonna

(01:06:45):
be fine. It's not down to the tenants. But what
is that? And I'm like, oh, this old, this old
fishhook thing right here is like, buddy, you got to
get that fixed. Like that's gonna be an issue in
your in your wrist, of enture elbow and shoulder, like
it's gonna be a big problem. So I'll get him
to get a fixed right after the season, so I'll
have my third surgery, fourth after my tonsils. But that's
really it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
You're gonna have surgery on that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
When you say after the season, like you're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
About after this football season that you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
And I are we don't play anymore, brother, a piece
of you that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Still kind of feels not I don't feel like we're playing,
but like my brain are. Our calendar is still revolves
exactly the way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Yeah, yeah, calendar is still always football.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
It's like I tell Taylor all the time, like, hey,
when the fall is over, She's like, sweetie, we're in
we're in wintertime. I was like, this is the fall,
this is football season. So when the season's over then
I can go do X Y and Z. Greg's talking
about being the Bahamas. I'm thinking myself, Oh my god,
that sounds nice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Yeah, I would love to go with his wife. Happy birthday,
missus Olsen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
I see, I see that what we have highlight up here?
Do we do we want to talk about that?

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
I didn't really watch. I was kind of keeping up
with the Titans Browns game. I thought, should hear? What
do you have? Almost four hundred yards passing, three touchdowns
rushing touchdowns? Yea, yeah, cam Ward had an unbelievable incomplete
pass yes motion over the top five A big one
though that we haven't touched on Packers beating the Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah, and like we've done so many takes every single
week on ESPN, Buddy called that one, didn't we Yeah?
Right now the Bears are sitting in the seventh seed.
They went from the one seed to the seventh seed
in a matter of three and a half hours. Yeah,
and that's just crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:08:20):
Do you guys think that game gives? Like people are
asking are the Bears frauds?

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Now?

Speaker 8 (01:08:26):
I feel like that game kind of the Bears proved.
Yeah they lost, but they prove that they're not frauds,
like they can hang with.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
The Bears are not frauds.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was just
gonna say the Bears are not frauds whatsoever. Like very again,
takeaways on defense, Caleb Williams has done a great job
in the fourth quarter, wins some games. Yes, he missed
a big throw yesterday and everybody's gonna break that play
down and everything else. Bears have had an awesome season,
but they are like statistically, you know, bottom toward the

(01:08:53):
bottom of the list in the majority of categories. Defensively,
Caleb Williams no matter that, Like the dude is electric,
he spins a football, dude has a rocket of an arm.
But also it's statistically one of the worst, one of
the least accurate quarterbacks. Yeah, he is the worst. I know, JA,
I know JJ McCarthy. But again, when you're talking about inaccuracies,

(01:09:15):
Caleb Williams is also there. Dude's been I saw stat
yesterday during that game, watching that Packers Bears game. He's had.
At this point of the game, they brought up the
graphic thirty three unblocked pressures, sacked zero times.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
His ability to stay alis and his arm, his arm
is unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Sometimes he's just off target. But they've had a great year.
It's just when you're watching it all unfold and you
see the NFC as as a whole, it's like the
NFC West with the Niners, Rams and Seattle then Packers.
They are playing some really good football that they just
have a really good defense.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
If you look at the Bears from last year to
this year, that team has gone immensely better under Ben Johnson.
Yeah they are. They are a there, very good football team.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
So are the Bears frauds? No, in a sense that
they're that I think they're a good ball club.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
The Bears are frauds if you thought that they were
an elite team in the NFC, you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, they're frauds. If you think if you say, hey,
the Bears are contenders, I'm saying, well, then know the
Bears are frauds.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yeah. Yeah. If you had them in your brain like
this is a contender football team and you're so pissed
about that game yesterday that you're just you're upset with
the quarterback. You're upset with that coach, you're upset with
all things Chicago, Like that's more on you. Yeah, because
I think that they've done a great job winning some
of these tight games where probably they could have had
no business winning those games.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
No business. And dude, I mean the intangibles that Caleb
william has are incredible, Like there's just things you cannot
teach to just jump off the tape when you're watching
him and he's like, like you said, thirty three unblocked pressure,
zero sacks. Yeah, that is a stat that I would
I would print out and frame if I'm Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah, I think he's the most elusive quarterback in the NFL,
Like no one can really get to him and his
ability he does. He's been ready, like you know someone,
and he's been inaccurate. But he's getting better and better.
And I think next year we're going to Next year
they get they tune up a couple of things. We'll
see how free agency in the draft goes. But we
can go into next year they can Oh, hey, the

(01:11:13):
Bears are actual contenders now if Cab Williams makes this.

Speaker 8 (01:11:17):
Next step talking about his elusivity, I saw a stat watching.

Speaker 7 (01:11:21):
The games, so bad going.

Speaker 8 (01:11:24):
Caleb Williams has like five or six plays over twenty
miles an hour running. The rest of the NFL I
think has like four.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Yeah, he's electric to watch. I enjoy watching him. It's
just again, when you were talking about the Division Packers Bears,
Jordan Love is unbelievable. That defense is unbelievable. He got
Josh Jacobs, Watson gets going in their wide receiver group,
like they're going to be a tough football team.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
The farther we get into the season and we've seen
this all, this kind of thing's happening with the Packers
and the conversation we just have with Greg, like the
Packers are built perfectly for the playoffs. Yeah, they're built perfectly.
Now they live on the end of the world of
the NFC when it's like, brother, I think we walk
into all these games in the playoffs and their spreads
are like one and a half, two and a half,

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Like it's gonna be it's gonna be pick them's all
the way through. Like, I am so excited to watch
these playoffs coming up. But the Packers do what they
built the little resume their ability to run the ball.
Josh Jaksa had what eighty eight yards yesterday, cracked off
a couple of fifteen ers here and there, but like physical,
get after the down. The downside to them is their
offensive line, but they have weapons on the perimeter. Their
defense is high flying the go. Everwhere they got Rashad

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Gary and Rashan Gary Sorry, and Michael Parsons both guys,
blue chip, five star guys coming out of high school.
Obviously we're both first round draft picks. Like they are
built for the playoffs. Bilt, I had to piss so
bad close us out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah, do your thing. I was just gonna say, we're
sitting in a nice pocket for some of the things
we've talked about. We were on ESPN last week, Sam
Bears are gonna make the playoffs, sneaky Jacksonville Jaguars bits
day and it says said since September.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
Not so much for college though.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
You remember hip was it Penn State?

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Yeah, still I think I had, like, uh, who'd I have?

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Penn State? Maybe Texas? Clemson? Who knows my college football?
No one gives a ship about college football boys, Not
right here, not in this segment. Not now. I'm talking
about some of my old takes right now, Chiefs ain't
making the playoffs, Broncos. I was talking in September like
later in September eight. Patriot's gonna upset the Bills. Now

(01:13:36):
Patriot's gonna win the division. We got that one sitting. Yeah,
the sneaky Jacksonville Jaguars once again sending a good pocket. Oh,
the Eagles are gonna get figured out. But uh, I
am excited. The NFL playoffs are gonna be electric. Speaking
of playoffs, the college football playoff, the rankings, the tournament

(01:13:59):
is set. We're gonna get into that with all of
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little bit. Welcome back to busting with the boys. We
are now doing the college football recap. Gentlemen. Here, we
are sitting here on the bus Monday morning after selection Sunday.
The college football Playoff its lined out, the tournament is

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set in stone. There's chaos everywhere. I'm sure there's a
lot of things we can talk about. Conference championships, the
whole Alabama in situation, Miami in situation, Notre Dame out situation.
There is a lot to break down. G G five teams.
Of the two two very.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Worthy teams that one is dogs by seventeen and a half,
the other one's dog by twenty one and a half.
Definitely deserving of being in the playoffs. You give them
a rind of a plus. Shout out the g vitulations
to JMU and two Lane.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
But a lot of conversations to talk about. Where do
we want to get started. We got the boys on
the bus JP, Jack, Garrett Klump, Sherman Mitch All college
football siccos All, I'm sure have opinions on this weekend.
We need to break it down right here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Let's whip through this these conference championships real quick. Do
you want to start with the one we were at.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yeah, hey, getting to do the all.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Cast, but you did, do you mind go ahead? This
was one of the most fun things that I have
ever been able to do with you. It was it
was just awesome. Like g Jack, Clump, Like we flew
in the way we flew in on a private jet
and then this bus comes in and picks us up

(01:16:01):
and these three dudes shared one room together. We are
such a backwards business, it's insane. But like you guys,
the three of you, I mean, we'll get in everything,
but you guys were so extremely helpful the entire time,
help them with the waters anything any Hey, you want
my mind whole miss every break, you guys are coming up
to us helping us out. Clump, you yelling at the
bus driver to stop, only to find out that he

(01:16:24):
was actually taking us to the right spot. The entire time.
We'll get into all that, but like, dude, you the
three of you, the three of you, the energy, everything,
like it's so incredibly helpful in these spots. Because I'll
speak for myself, but like you're living in this world
of nerves and you're kind of always playing like how
this thing's gonna go and you're playing things in your hand.
You guys kept it like, kept it fun, like grabbing

(01:16:45):
the coffees, like being as helpful as possible. It was
massive cold coffee. And then getting getting the call from
Pat McAfee in ESPN to say, hey, we want you guys,
you two dumb idiots, We want you, along with the
well spoken Osh Peyton Harry Douglas, to go and call
this this all cast An SEC Championship, not on ESPN
Plus or ESPN two, but the actual ESPN where every

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swinging dick in the world who has basic cable at
least can thumb through their channels and it'll pop up
where you will see our faces.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
It was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Yeah, it truly was incredible. It's it's surreal. It's like
I had put up a post like I wish I
could say this was a dream come true, but I'll
be honest, Like when we started busting with the boys
and everything else, like doing something like this has just
never even been a thought in my brain right, And
getting to do it and getting text for my brothers
and dad and family members and people in my close
circle and just Wyat, my youngest brother just being like like,

(01:17:40):
what the fuck you're You're going to be doing it
all cast on ESPN. That's insane, insane. Yeah, it's it, dude.
It is surreal, man, and we're on the sideline. It's me, you,
Josh Paid, Harry Douglas getting to sit there and shop
it up with guys throughout the throughout the game, Sean, Alexander, Brandon, Spikes, Quavo,
Jalen Walker. Just being in that being in that stadium

(01:18:01):
for Championship Saturday, Bama versus Georgia, it's just surreal. And
it's like, I never want to I never want us
to take these moments for granted, because we are not
doing we are not even in these moments without the
support of everybody that tunes in, everybody that's watched and
followed from day one. The support and love was awesome

(01:18:21):
after like getting to your phone and seeing all the messages,
seeing all the mentions on social media. But we are
not doing that unless we have the support of everybody
out there. The Tier One's absolutely everybody that's helped hype
us up along the way, and we've like stumbled forward
and ended up on ESPN doing an all cast for
the sec championship. Yeah, and it's just really cool. We're

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not here, Like, we're not here without you guys, grinding
every week without all the fans leaving comments all the time.
Just how we've been propped up to be on Get
Up this year and do the all cast and just
everything we've gotten to do crossing paths with Josh pat
this year has been unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Yeah, that's such a crazy perfect alignment.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Yeah, and it's dude, I'm thankful. It's like gratitude. I
was very nervous. The Jackie got the video of me
before the game where I'm like walking, I'm like talking
out loud. Like my prep this week has felt like
I'm getting ready to play in a game. My feeling
at the hotel when we're having our dinner that was
super important on Friday, and I'm kind of thinking, man,

(01:19:22):
I want to get to my room. I want to
be able to think about these things before we do
Josh Bate's live show and then get back and be like, Okay,
I want to put on some more prep so I
can set myself up for tomorrow morning when we're sitting
down there having coffee and talking shop. Some of the
things going on my head. I got the paper sitting
right there trying to still study. I have no clue
how it's gonna go. And I had those that excitement
and those nerves kind of mixed together at the same

(01:19:43):
time going onto that field then having the little botch
dry run there that it was unbelievable. All the fans
we got to meet there, like all the dogs, barking,
guys like pull out my phone and take videos and
they're all performing for the video, taking selfies with everybody.
It was unbelieve Man, Dude walking.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
On the field in Atlanta at the SEC Championship and
liked equipment staff is there, Coaches are starting to walk
through and people just like coming up to us being
like yo, I love your shit, like and you're just like, oh,
for real, like that that tied at number seven, lucky
for uh for Georgia. He's like warming up, like we're
kind of standing there that hasn't started, Like this is
like the warmst before they go back in and come

(01:20:22):
back out. And he takes a moment out of his
warm up as I'm like turning a corner and he's like, bro,
love watching your show, and I'm just like it's insane
that people it's always mind blowing that people watch.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
And he had a big catch on that pump screen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Yeah, but and yeah, you were getting all hyped about
that screaming in the microphone. Dude, it was amazing, It
was It was so funny. After hearing Will's voice, I'm thinking,
this motherfucker really was just screaming the whole time. And
I during the game too. I didn't realize that, Like,
I'm kind of I'm talking the way I am right
now and Will is we are the big one here.

(01:20:57):
It's second and seven, and I'm thinking, can I had
never crossed my brain that that that was in until
Josh brought it up on the flight. Oh, this dude
really was screaming the whole time, which is just.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Like Charles texting me laughing. She's like, Taylor sounded completely
normal and you're just yelling at the a gape.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
How weird is that when you're uh, when you're like
talking to a game, you can hear the crowd getting
wound up, and you obviously feel like, oh, I gotta
scream into this microphone, when really that's what the microphone
is for your voice.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
It's like a couple of things one. It's very loud
in those years.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Yes, oh it's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Very like you can't hear anything. You can feel the
crowd and you can hear all the noise coming in
from everybody's microphone, so you feel like you've got to
be a little bit louder. But also just being immersed
in the game and like talking to the games, like
I'm sitting there, I was like, I felt like just
a linebacker trying to call that football. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
somebody makes a pop or a big hit or makes
a play when Bray Hubbard made a play on that
first series, just getting to say that my favorite terms

(01:21:55):
like pissing vinegar, a gap, blood flown below the pill.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
We start talking about the team's porn, Like start talking
about the all white team, like that kid you know
when he gets drafted. We know a team he's going
on will come off, and we're kind of smiling, giggling
ourselves and all like yeah a tier ones are laughing
at an inside joke.

Speaker 8 (01:22:09):
When you said the special team's porn part like you
like died off at the point, because you know if
you were.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
And in my head before I said special teams poor it,
I'm thinking, do I say porn. Yeah, on this broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
You just say, hey, what just happened on that play
needs to be age verified if you're going on a
website like that is. Dude, it was awesome, It really was,
And I'm like excited, But there's a piece of me
that you know, when you do something one time, it's
like the next time you do it, like that, all
the things that kind of caught you off guard, like
oh shit, Like I know I knew walking into it
that there's four of us talking about a football game

(01:22:42):
that all have football knowledge, Like the lift is not
as big as you think it's going to be. So
like it's not like one guy's calling the game and
you're giving all the color on it, like Pete's calling
the game. But also all four of us are going
to talk about what we've seen, so you're talking like
not as much after every single play. So I wasn't nervous.
I was more excited, like ma'am, I like it's like

(01:23:03):
high school football excited. And we go to do the
dry run and Caitlin's in our ears. She's like, Hey,
what's gonna happen is is we're gonna go We're gonna
do the dry run and then a few minutes later
we're gonna start the broadcast. But let's just make everybod
feel comfortable. We're gonna gonna run you through what we're
gonna play on the screen. You can do that, and
so for me going.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
For more context too for everybody watching and listening. The
dry run, we were doing it ten minutes before we
went live. Yeah, ten we had the monitors out there.
We're gonna do a practice run. It's gonna be like
we're going to talking about our key players. We're gonna
run all the monitor. You guys talked through your twenty
five seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Each, so we uh so, first off was like Harry
doug let's talk about zachar Yah Branch, which played out
perfectly because he really was a massive piece of George's
game plan. And then Josh Pak goes on Tim Keenan.
Then my whole thing was about the offensive lines and
the different type of offense that they're going to run. And
then Will, but Will went before me, so flip that Will,
we're going to talk about Gunastoka, and then I was
the last one to go about the two offensive lines

(01:23:54):
and how they're gonna win the game. Josh goes smacks
the shit out of it, like true Josh paid for
my I've never heard that man say or stutter over
and he's he's a true pro, Harry Douglas. He's in
his RG three bag doing the fun stuff. Then Will
starts to go and I'm like, I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
I'm like, Gunner Stockton is the most important player in
this game. And I talk about this is a guy
that's been in the Heisman conversation all season long. He
can beat you with his arms, he can beat you
with his legs, and you look at what Alabama did
to him last time. And I stopped and I paused,
and I stared. I tried finding the words. Too many
words were coming through my head. I couldn't get it together.
I couldn't figure it out. And I just had this

(01:24:33):
long pause to probably last it felt like an hour,
but it was about four seconds. And then I just
look up to the crowd and I just go practice run,
practice run.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
And at that moment, right there, dude, and then Taylor
shitting myself. All three guys like after you went, Josh
just started to like go into the whole thing, and
Kaitling gets over, goes Hey Taylor hasn't done his thing yet.
He's like, and then they's like running back. So after
you have your thing, I know, like it's fun to
like laugh at you or me when we like a
brain fart, but like when you have the brain fart,

(01:25:02):
my brain's like your.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Next buddy, And she's like, Josh, you got to get
back to Taylor and I like break down.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Oh it was our practice run.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
There's no other opportunities after that, Like we didn't go
back there, let's start from the top, none of that.
So we're just kind of sitting there, sitting in it.
We're gonna be straight, We're gonna be good. Fortunately it
worked out because I was I was like kind of
sitting there. I was like, man, I'm sure people like this.
We're gonna be able to hit this is Brad. Is
it gonna happen again? I'm thinking, is my brain gonna
happen again? Buddy, you got this. She's own the moment. YadA,
YadA YadA. Fortunately it all worked. Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
You crushed it at the beginning of it, and then
I think it, Like my personal feelings about it was
like it took like the first half of the first
quarter for us all to kind of settle in. I
think after every play, all three of us, Oh, you,
Me and Harry were all kind of trying to find
a place to say something like we're like, you know,
trying to take the show on as if we're doing ourselves.
And then, you know, right after the first quarter, and

(01:25:52):
I thought it was very smooth sailing from then on,
especially in the second half. Yeah, I felt like we
all kind of got into a lane where it's like,
you see something happening, we kind of feel each other's
bi lingus that There's a couple of times I'd tap you,
I'd be like kind of like, hey, I'm gonna I
have something to say. So Josh were finishing, I would
go Harry and I would do the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
It was sick, dude. And even when the game kind
of was out of reach, and at halftime, Harry and
a couple of pop like professionals were like, we gotta
really hope that Alabama scores otherwise this is gonna be
is gonna be tough to go through, Like we got
to that like last you know, four or five minutes
of the game, and to be honest, like Podcast Mo
kind of just hitd over for us, and I felt
like that was like the most comfortably war with sitting

(01:26:28):
in there. Let's have fun about it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
You won a great game just for the view viewers,
people tuning in. We got a close game in the
SEC Championship. But yeah, the first quarter. I felt solid
in the first core because it's just three and out,
so there's big plays happening defensively, do I talk about
the olda gap, talk about old Bray Hubbard, Uh, c
J Allen the linebacker? Where else? I remember when I
was hyping up CJ Allen and was and it wasn't

(01:26:51):
even CJ Allen. Is my apologies? Actually hand up, that
was not CJ Allen. That was so and so number zero.
That might happen a few times.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
This proadcasting really good, But dude, I mean you get
on the bus after Clump's yelling at the driver again
and we're sitting there like I'm going, we can.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Get into the driver stuff. Yeah, we could do it.
Hit all the college football stuff. We can save the
driver the lure with Clump.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
For the true But we're sitting there after the broadcast
and you go through, obviously as all of us do
after our game and you kind of like you hit
your mentions, see what's going on, And it seemed like
for the most part, other than a couple of one
or two's, it's like overwhelmingly positive reviews, and it's just like, man,
it felt good during you had fun doing and then

(01:27:36):
the person who it's four seem receptive to it, like
couldn't have asked for a better situation, did you guys?

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
How'd you guys enjoy I guess we can. We can
save that part too for the I know, we got
a college.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Football we got a college football break, and we got.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
To college before we do.

Speaker 6 (01:27:51):
I this isn't like new news for us, but every
place we go, the strength staff and like the equipment
staff specifically always shows out so big for the boys.

Speaker 9 (01:28:00):
Argia, guys, let us throw the ball around for the game.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
I was kind of nervous asking about a ball too.

Speaker 6 (01:28:04):
I know, and they you know, they're always like nahn,
but they were. They were very gracious.

Speaker 9 (01:28:07):
They let us throw.

Speaker 6 (01:28:08):
They were cool after the game, wells dapping up all
of them. I'm I just had an idea we can
kind of linger on it, think about it, but maybe
for next season through either the spring fall or the
whole year. I think we need to dedicate an award
to the best best staff in terms of just for
the vipes, Yeah, for the equipment staff. Maybe like get
a T shirt made with them specifically for them because

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they're listening.

Speaker 9 (01:28:31):
There's guys that they're listening. And it'd be a fun
thing where each school we go to meet with the
equipment staff and they show out.

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
Not saying they need to roll out right carpets, but
it'd be something cool for these guys who clearly are
fan base to kind of like have something to throw the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Most Yeah, the most underappreciated group, giving them doing something
that props.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
But bro truly the heart and soul of every single team.
Like these guys. Every single day they're picking up dirty laundry,
sway shit, cleaning it off and making sure everyone's lost
is ready the next day. They're the first ones in
the building when they go for a game, to the
last ones to come out. They're usually driving back. Now
all of them are going on the plane with the
team and they just fucking love it. Like Georgia, Alabama

(01:29:11):
equipment Staff's guarantee they will die for their team, Indiana,
Ohio State and down all through these conference championships. They
are every moment of the day talking about what could
happen and that, and they have their own little groups
they go out together, have their softball games and all
that stuff like it is the heart and soul of
every single team, every single team.

Speaker 6 (01:29:29):
And Georgia players were iced out the equipment staff.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Yeah, one kid, one kid doing the broadcast, they score,
doesn't dap me up by I guys got dapped up
by an EQ got ball boy over here. We're feeling
good about.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
It again before we dive into college football. Just you, guys, don't.
On the broadcast, they showed the the New Year's Eve six,
the New Year's Eve six, the pick six Nebraska Georgia.
So after the game, when the competiti is about to
come up, they're about to do the ceremony, Coach Bobo
the OC comes up to me. He goes, will I'm

(01:30:03):
I'm coach Boba on the OC with Georgia. He put
both of his hands on my shoulders and he goes,
do you remember your interception in the Capitol Wombo Bowl?
And I go, brother, I was just getting to talk
about it on the broadcast. Yes, I remember that that
interception he breaks down.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
That whole fuck him yeah, dude. In this situation number three,
I was like, here's your problem.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
It was one hundred percent on the uh the x
crack screen for the running back, and he goes, yeah,
but we got you on the counter with old Gurley
there in the second half. I say, yeah, yeah he did.
That's off to you, but I thought that was so
sick they coach Bobo. I was like, oh, man, you
were on that staff back then, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Just a little side note that at halftime, some younger kid,
probably you know, thirteen, fourteen fifteen, walks up to me
kind of nervous and I'm like, yo, what's up, dude,
how you doing? And he's like, hey, I'm a I
don't know if it's Marty or what his first name was,
but he's like, I'm a coach Smart's son. I was like,
Kirby Smart and he's like yes, He's like, I love

(01:30:56):
your guys show. I love watching every single look on
my bro, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
We gotta get Kirby on. If we can't get Kirby,
we gotta get him on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
We gotta get a son on.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Yeah, we'll get his son on. Yeh, Kirby devil.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
That's what bustle the Boy should turn into. Don't get
the coaches on, get the coach's kids on.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Yeah, coach Smart's kid, Yeah, Kiffin's kid next. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
But the game, the game itself obviously Georgia. Massive blow
up by Georgia. That I mean, that was that was
a great game. You kind of walk into that game
and Georgia was favored, but you start to read into
all the things about how Kirby Smart's record versus top
ten teams is like amazing, and the only those few
losses that sit there are all Alabama and he's one
and seven and can you get the can he get

(01:31:33):
the monkey off of his back? Or what you kept
calling him? The grim Reaper? Alabama and the Grim Reaper?
Yeah to Georgia, I.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Mean Georgia fans were betting on Bama to win the game. Yeah,
I hey, who would you take? Who'd you take on? Fans?
Or they'd be like, I took I took Bama. Beg, Oh,
you're not even bigging. He's like, listen, if it takes
me to lose money to try to try and defeat
this monster, like, then that's what I'm gonna have to do.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Yeah, and it was just Georgia came out the way
they came out in the second half of their first game.
A lot of man they pressed them. They they brought
the fight to Alabama and that's the way they won
the game. I mean Ty Simpson, Friend of the Future,
Front of the show, like the kids sitting there right
before the game, dapping us both up. He's doing the
joke about keeping it high and tie like, dude, he

(01:32:18):
was awesome about it. Uncharacteristically bad game for him. I mean,
he was like under fifty percent. I think he was
even under like forty five percent completion percentage at the
end of it all. But Georgia just took a hold
of that thing from the get go and just ran
through it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
I love to know, like where your mind was during
this game, because at the end of the day, like,
do conference championships really matter? Like we're really trying to
win a national checks.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Ready to get into Yeah, you know, people tune and
then they want to hear this college football breakdown. There's
a lot to be said.

Speaker 10 (01:32:47):
No, no, obviously an unfortunate outcome for the Tide, but
to be there for a busting trip you guys already
said it was amazing. I am officially zero and too
when vlogging Bama games. Oh so we got to keep
that in mind looking forward. We'll make some business decisions

(01:33:07):
when that gets presented next. But it was so fun,
like we when we did that lap on the field before,
uh you asked me, you were like, is this not
sick for you? And I was like, yeah, I mean
this is insane, Like whenever you get to watch your
ball club like that close, it's just it's just an
awesome experience. So appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yeah, dude.

Speaker 10 (01:33:28):
When that block punt happened, it was like, fuck, bro,
I know how this goes.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
At punparked the entire thing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Bro eighty three yeah, untouched.

Speaker 10 (01:33:39):
So that was that was brutal. I immediately hit the
group channels like that's only seven. They're getting a little
that I know interception right, Yeah, that was tough. Hey,
sure to stat sheet and uh, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
Can you look up number eighty three while Garrett finishes this,
because I want to shout that kid out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Bro, yeah Kury smartness posting press Confort shout at him out.

Speaker 5 (01:33:57):
Good.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
He wasn't even on a production sheet.

Speaker 9 (01:34:00):
You.

Speaker 10 (01:34:01):
Uh, what's crazy is the person that plays that position
to pick that block up. Lt Overton out So new kid,
new assignment. Yeah, no excuses, kid got back there untouched.
But yeah, when you allow a team like Georgia when
they were when they're peaking, to start with the ball

(01:34:22):
on your side of the field every time they touch
the ball, you're gonna have a long day.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Yeah, dude, Like watching that game, you sit there and
you're like, you watch how September, October November kind of
unfolded for Georgia where they just kind of sat in
the shadows for a while, not really covering a whole lot.
They're down at half more times than not, and they
just progressively gather their momentum. They keep moving forward and
they get better and better. It's like they might be
walking into this the scariest team in all the playoffs

(01:34:50):
right now, especially what happened in the Big Ten Championship.

Speaker 10 (01:34:51):
They started the season injured and are now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Healthy, right and you see six guys out for that game.

Speaker 10 (01:34:57):
What's happening for us started healthy? Now it's kind of dwindling.
But I mean you said it like does the game matter? Like, yeah,
I think it matters a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
We didn't move that was bizarre, man.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
I think it's that that was kind of a we
kind of expected go that way.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
I'm not surprised, but that I think it's still I
do think I do think this.

Speaker 10 (01:35:24):
I think that if you win your conference championship game,
you should be rewarded above a team who lost theirs.
So I do think Indiana should be one, Georgia should
be two, yeah, and then Ohio State three.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 10 (01:35:38):
You know, you should be rewarded for winning your at
that point.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Though, Like, really, when it comes to one, two, three, four,
as long as you're one through four, it doesn't matter
because by the time you get to the games we're
going to play, they're neutral sites and it's really about
what color jurory you're wearing.

Speaker 10 (01:35:52):
And you have three and a half weeks regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Right, Yeah, So like to me, it's like one is
no different than four other than we get to wear
our main color, you know, at the end of the day.
But yeah, I agree with that. I think Georgia probably
should have jumped up to two and then Aha st
eight to three. I don't think we need to go
through Let's let's hit the conference championship games real quick.
And then we can get into this because this is
a whole bag of like you look at it can

(01:36:17):
be very quick. Like the doomsday scenario that we wanted
that we kind of wanted for the chaos to take place,
took place right Like Duke goes over time with Virginia.
They end up winning that game. That's incredible. I saw an.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Amazing coach watching the kids trying the coach and the
kids trying to break down. We're a playoff team, just
like I saw.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
I saw a Shirm's post about AC commercial but the
Bobbleheads it's like winner goes to the playoffs and I
was like, yep, should be a full one.

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
And I'm thinking myself, I understand what they're trying to do,
Like you're trying to make sure that you're the acc
as representative and you're going to playoffs. There was never
if you're Duke and you're a fan of Duke and
you're watching this show and you're like, fight for Duke, buddy,
there was never a chance that you guys were going
to make it in the playoffs. Never, nothing could taken place.

(01:37:03):
But listen, that was awesome to see because you love
the chaos and we'll get in the playoff bracket in
a second. And it's like if you want to change,
these types of things need to happen for to change.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Yeah, I wanted Duke to win, so like you know,
you knew I wanted Duke to win. So two G
five went to the college football playoffs to like punish
our overall outlook on how the playoff gets set.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Up, because you see it once again our bikedon championship
Indiana Ohio State. I think we were all blindsided by that,
that victory by Indiana. We have to Kurt Signetti is
the best coaching college football dude.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
What Signetti has done at Indiana. And look I've said,
you know, Nebraska played him last year, so I was
nasty about him during that week and then you know,
kind of trolled them. But what Kurt Signetti has done
at Indiana. They were three and nine before he came
to town. This is the first time ever they've had
back to back double digit win seasons, the first time
they've won a conference championship since nineteen forty five.

Speaker 5 (01:37:58):
Yeah, I mean program in college football history.

Speaker 8 (01:38:02):
They were were. Now Northwestern has past them, but like
that Northwestern, Yeah, because of big Netti.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
It is incredible what Indiana has done.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
And k Kurt Signetti, dude, that's fucking smirky head walking
off the fields.

Speaker 10 (01:38:19):
His post game was Mike Dropworthy about being humbled. It's
like three and a half weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Yeah, yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
And I saw a graphic that was talking about the
different and talent that both teams had going to this game,
like this is the biggest separation of town we eversus.
Like I think I had sixty seven blue chip guys,
eleven five stars and the rest four stars. Indiana had
zero five stars and seven four stars on their team.
And that team with no five stars and seven four

(01:38:49):
stars beat sixty seven blue chip players. I mean, dude,
but the.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Way Indiana has played this year, it's not to give
that team and all those kids credit. It's like each
category Indiana was ranked above them statistically, and a lot
of these categories going into the game, with the schedule
Ohio State, it's kind of had all year. So as
we were getting closer to the game, I'm like, man,
I remember we were talking to the car I'm like,
I feel like nobody's really been considering Indiana beating Ohia State.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Dude, I was saying.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
The line was at four and a half, and it's like,
who knows what's gonna happen, Like this defense is for real.
They get to prove it against an offense like Oha State,
and they went out and did it.

Speaker 10 (01:39:26):
I expected more points.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
I kind of did too. I expected more points about
Hoo State for sure. I thought I didn't know what
Indiana really was. What this tells me about anything is
like Yo, Oregon, they're a bit of a beast too,
and they're gonna have enough time to kind of sit
their away to get a little tuned up with GMU,
so I don't have to have that little by a
week that kind of seemed like got to hurt him
last year. And it's like it's hard to beat a
team twice. They could see each other again. It's dude,

(01:39:51):
it's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Yeah, yeah, So Indiana wins. And by the way, Fernando
Mendoza's post game buddy, I threw out that tweet Fernando
Mendoza's Kirk Cousins on cocaine like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
The dude das it looks similar.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
The dude just can't miss on a mic any type pops.
I mean Charles sitting there. She starts laughing because it's
like her first time seeing seeing Fernanda Mendoza speak on
a mic, and I am just grinning ear to ear,
like this is exactly what I wanted him talking about
super glue in the team.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
And wrapping his hands around the reporter's mike to do
the super glow, his movements, everything.

Speaker 10 (01:40:26):
Between his post game and then Duke's coach postgame, who
was more cringe.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Part of me was like just I loved Fernando.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
People people. I saw a lot of tweet people hating
on Fernando. I personally love it.

Speaker 7 (01:40:38):
I hate I didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:40:39):
I obviously hated it because like we lost, but it's
like you can't you can't knock the love for the
game and.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
The passion that he has, Like that is him, Like
that's his authenticity. Like the dude coach. You know, he's
sitting there lying through his teeth talk about we deserve
to be in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Yeah, he sat there with his with his team and
he's like I gotta say that, Yeah, I guess we'll
go in.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
Let me go fight seven win regular season team. We
lost to five good teams. Dude, Fernando was real, like
you got for Nanda Mendozo. That's what I loved, a.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Beating the number one team in the country being undefeated.

Speaker 6 (01:41:15):
Also, Nashville Pod Bust with the Boys got a shout
out Nashville guy Charlie Becker on Indiana the receiver. Yeah
he went to father Ryan Na Malone's claiming that they
were best friends.

Speaker 9 (01:41:30):
Yeah, but that kid was going off.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Yeah, yeah, let's go, dude, it's crazy these kids. Watch man.
It just goes back to us walking around the sideline
of the dude's like dapping us up, loving the show.
By Simpson being all about it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
In the Big twelve Championship, by you got blown out.
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
I think we all expected and points did that. Yeah,
I mean, you knew it was over when Jacob Rodriguez
was on college game Day and it was two hundred
fifty thousand dollars from Hit the crossb after Diego Pavia
did not a couple of weeks ago, and he binks
that thing no problem, had a swag and a walk
about him with a mustache in the neck. The neck
is show crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
On the kid arms, the quads, the entire build for
that linebacker. I just want to. I just want to
get my hands on it. Yeah, Jacob, I just get
my hand. If you can do second, just back, buddy.
I'm fired up for.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
If you could go to the combine and pretend to
be like a medical physician, just to put your hands
on him, feel the quads a little bit, walk in
and got a mask on. I don't look at this kid, Dude,
he's got a two head. He didn't get a four.
That's how full how much full hair he has?

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Yeah, like, I'm just gonna daw feel your quads for
a second. Make sure you don't have any strains.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
Look at the jersey the trap movement there, dude, that
guy's never gonna stare in his life. But he got
a twenty twelve will contin neck. Yeah, he's got his
neck is bigger than his head. This kid is fucking unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (01:42:53):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
It's a good looking young man.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Good looking young man. Married boy too, married man, Where
do you come from? Virginia?

Speaker 7 (01:42:59):
Look at that?

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 7 (01:43:00):
His wife is a badass too. She's a black Hawk
black Hawk helicopter pilot.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
Of course she is.

Speaker 7 (01:43:07):
Of course, Yeah, it's so badass.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
Wouldn't have had it any other way. Match this kid.
We gotta get him on the pod.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
That's where Jacob Rodriguez deserves.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Yeah yeah, I mean imagine him going back when his
twenty year football career is over, goes back to Texas
Tech and just runs that show. Yeah, God bless look
at him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
So what were you guys' thoughts on the college football Playoff?
What were you guys just thoughts on the College Football Playoff?

Speaker 5 (01:43:34):
Like the rankings and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Yeah, like how it worked out, the chaos that ensued. Again,
I was I was fired up that Duke one because
it's almost like I don't believe we all. It's like
the G five teams getting in. It sucks. I went
to twelve best teams, but it's almost like to punish
us for this system that we have. I think with them.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Getting in, I don't really understand why Notre Dame was
so puzzled why they weren't.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
In, because they don't know the rules. And if I'm
a Notre Dame fan and I wasn't being educated by
Josh paidon being in this world as much as we
are this year, I would have the same exact view. Yeah,
but they just don't know that this is how it
happen that this is how it goes.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Because I'm watching it and everybody's complaining, I'm just like, well, no,
this is there's two G five teams and y'all lost
to Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Yeah, Notre Dame. Notre Dame got screwed.

Speaker 7 (01:44:17):
Bro I saw there because of the G five's because a.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Few different angles, Miami should be in over Notre Dame.
That's it's clear. The only argument to that is who
do you believe is a better team right now, Notre
Dame or Miami. And they answer to that question is
most likely for everybody going to be Notre Dame. But
other than that, if you put schedule up against schedule,
common opponent wins versus common to put it wins head
to heads, it's like it's all in Miami's favor and

(01:44:43):
that's just the reality. The they're more deserving than Notre
Dame to be in the game.

Speaker 7 (01:44:46):
I saw it.

Speaker 8 (01:44:47):
I saw a tweet and I don't know if you
retweeted or something, but like, I think after this year,
it's like written in the contract or the College Football playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Yeah that mo ou to where if they're ranked in
the top twelve going into the regular season, next year
they're an automatic bid.

Speaker 7 (01:45:01):
I don't think I thought it was at the end
of the season, not going into the season.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
It's got to be at the end. Yeah, I thought
the start, they start off at eleven, they go one
and eleven, They're like, we gotta put them in though. Yeah,
g five now Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:45:16):
This is from Ross Dellinger and new Zy Wrinkle from
Bovaqua whatever as a part of an MoU signed last spring.
Notre Dame is a shure a CFB perth if it
is ranked in the top twelve starting next year. The
situation unfolds next year, the final at large team Miami
would have gotten bumped for number eleven Notre.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Dames, which is there would be a legitimate argument from
Miami fans.

Speaker 8 (01:45:36):
And be like what what The fact that they have
a special rule because they're not in a conference is
the most insane thing. And then I think it's also
bitch made that they're not playing in a bowl game.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
Yeah, I think I think I can. I can understand
everybody's angle. The competitor. It's like, yeah, it kind of
sucks that they're taking their ball and going home. But
if you're also Notre Dame on the highest viewpoint, I
would be livid that we got left out of the
college football playoff. I'd be living livid because you look,
that's why I had the tweet yesterday. It was insane
to hear Hunter on behalf of the committee talk about

(01:46:07):
how we watched that game yesterday with BYU. That's why
they never really had a shot. They were never going
to be in the playoff to begin with. I completely
understand it. People like, well, you don't understand that Bama
was already in the playoff. BYU wasn't in the playoffs.
I get that. To me, it's you're talking about what
you watched on the field, and that's what pushed them
back at ranking. What you watched on the field in
the SEC Championship was the same exact thing, and they

(01:46:30):
they went full protection mode on Bama and the SEC,
which again we know the powers that be the SEC,
ESPN all where the money's at. You don't want to
piss off your biggest, your best product. They were never
gonna move Bama. So in my opinion, you're either going
to move both BYU and Bama back a slot, which
again Alabama is still in the playoff. BYU is still
out of the playoff, or you're going to keep them

(01:46:51):
both right where they're at. But the problem was they
fucked up putting Notre Dame so high in Miami so
far back to begin with, because they knew they had
to manipulate this system to get them side by side.
Give kind of the nod to Miami over Notre Dame
because they beat him head to head. But that's all
they were trying to do. Because the way that my
man was up there breaking down each conference game, I'm like, yo,
this is unreal hearing him talk about BYU like this

(01:47:14):
and then fully protect Alabama because it's like you either
just keep them where they're at or you move them
back a slot. I thought that they would move Bama
back a slat based on that performance, because again, if not,
it's like, these conference games shouldn't mean anything. If nobody's
gonna move and there's there's not gonna be a whole
lot of movement, just take the conference championship games out
of it. But that was where I was kind of like, dude,
I would be livid if I was Notre Dame because

(01:47:35):
if Bama does the same thing, Bama is still in
the playoff at ten. But now Notre Dame, you have
to flip them. Notre Dame has to be nine, so
they're never compared right next to Miami. At the end
of the day, I do think both Miami and Notre
Dame should be in over We have two G fives
in That sucks. But a hunter, they're gonna sit up
there and say it had nothing to do with the
ACC representation. To me, that's that's complete bullshit, Like that's

(01:47:58):
why Miami's getting in, putting not in any other position,
put Notre Dame. Say Michigan's tending to in Notre Dame.
Spot any team in here if your team is what
Notre Dame was sitting at, they're all getting in. Now
Notre Dame's in the ACC. They're getting they're playing in
the ACC Championship because they don't. They only have one
conference loss compared to Miami's.

Speaker 6 (01:48:18):
Too.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Again, everybody's been begging them to get in the conference.
People are happy that they're not punished for not being
in a conference. I get all of that, but Notre
Dame in any other situation, they are getting in that
college football playoffs, so I would be absolutely pissed. I
completely understand why they're removing themselves their rights. They don't
want to help out X, Y and Z. I get
that from a high level, From a competitive level, it sucks.

(01:48:38):
It's like you want to go put the ball down anywhere,
any place anytime. People say bowl games mean absolutely nothing,
so there's really no upside to playing in a bowl
game anyway. I get all of it, but I would
be livid if I was in the Notre Dame camp.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
And again, if the majority thinks they're the better football team,
you put the better football team in the college football playoff.

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
Can't put you can't put the better football team in
over the more deserving football team in. Can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
Yeah, I get it, and that's why I personally want
G was the first team these deserving teams to like, Okay,
we want the best. I want the best teams going
in the Costo player. I don't disagree because right before
the selection Sunday happened, they're at a minus thirty five
hundred to get in like everything, they're favored against basically
every team except like three teams, like they had a
top four shot of winning this thing. And I hate

(01:49:26):
that we're not seeing the twelve best teams after Bama
lost the way that they lost, and I get it,
they earned the right to be in the SEC Championship,
but what we saw the way they lost, the way
they've kind of hobbled in at the end of the year,
beating South Carolina by seven, surviving against Auburn, getting whooped
like that in the SEC Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
To me, I was saying it on the broadcast.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
I put out the tweet. I'm like putting Notre Dame
in Miami, both in because they both seem like they're
the better football team than Alabama.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
Okay, you can't disagree with the fact that Alabama kind
of lived themselves in the SEC Championship. If you take
Alabama out of the playoffs, the SEC would fucking lose
their mind. It would be like, the SEC is the
highest earner for all of college football. We know that,
we understand that they are not going to take out
another SEC school because of it. That's not going to happen.

(01:50:15):
I don't know what you said. So many words you
talked about BYU for a second, b YU was never
in the playoffs. I might have been ranked eleven, but
they were never in the playoffs. Because when everything sort
itself out, these G five teams had to be in,
so unless you're in that ten slot, you're actually not
in like eleven and twelve for kind of placeholders for
the ACC Championship taking place or these what ended up

(01:50:37):
being the two G fives. So if you're BYU, you
had it was very black and white. You win, you're
going to be in the playoffs. You lose, you were
out of the playoffs. It'd been very interesting to see
BYU win that game, to see what happens with Alabama
Notre Dame in Miami. But if you're Alabama, it's like
you've earned a luxury to play in this game that
Ole miss that didn't have and who was in Oklahoma

(01:51:00):
and and m so three teams like weren't good enough
to get in this game, and you're gonna take out
a team that was good enough to get in this game.
That makes zero sense all of them to me. This
is a week thirteen, but it's like it's exhibition, Like
whoever wins, they get to hold up a trophy they get,
the better they can get the confetti the other team.
Hopefully we're not injured, because the real, the real journey

(01:51:21):
is but to begin in a couple of weeks we
go for the for the playoffs. People that are mad
that Alabama's still in it, it's just buddy, two things,
money and you're never gonna punish a team for being
the second best in your conference.

Speaker 10 (01:51:32):
Again, I'm not like that game is the number one
seed in the SEC.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
Yeah right, we all knew that. That was like Alabama
wasn't gonna be out of it. I'm saying, if you're
looking at just what happened and everything else, it's like, yo,
just put Notre Dame Miami. I get that that was
never going to be the case. They were going to
keep Miami in and I know BYU is not gonna
be in the playoffs, But in those situations, those rankings
still matter, and all in the system essentially just had

(01:52:00):
to figure out a way to manipulate to where this
Notre Dame Miami conversation had to take place, or saying, hey,
they had to head to head win. It's like you
needed an ACC team in. And also like you're up
there talking about how BYU the way they perform, that's
why their ranking drops back to me, it's like, I
know BYU is never gonna be in it. I'm not
arguing they should have been in it even with a
close loss, but them them holding true to that eleven

(01:52:22):
ranking when Alabama didn't move down either. To me, that's
where I was like, guys, just say you messed up.
You messed up, and you had to figure out the
system to get Notre Dame in Miami. We messed up
by making Notre Dame so much higher in the very
beginning when we opened it up. We fucked up by
disrespecting Miami's ranking. At the very end, we never talked
about their head to head. The world exploded over it,
and at the eleventh hour you had to just figure

(01:52:43):
out a way to manipulate it a little bit to
get him head to head. I would rather just hear
him say, hey, we messed up from the get go,
versus being like BYU the way they lost, that's kind
of why their ranking goes back one or they were
never going to be a playoff. I know they were
never gonna be in every time. But then fully protecting, yeah,
fully protecting Bama versus being like, again, if you're doing
the same thing to BYU moving them back one Byama

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is still in with going down in Bama is still
in with going down to ten, you would just it
would make that argument that much harder for Notre Dame.

Speaker 10 (01:53:11):
To me, that's why I was shocked they didn't move
Alabama down one spot to keep Notre Dame in. It
helps your case if you're the committee, say Okay, they're
still in, but we did punish them by moving them down.
You did reward Notre Dame. But where they messed up
is what you're saying, like three weeks ago, yeah they did.
The bracket is where they started this chaos.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
Yes, yes, agree on a hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
This issue came week three of college football when you
had Notre Dame still in the AP, which I know
AP and College Wall playoff bracket tw two different things.
Notre Dame loses two games in a row. I understand
those are two highly ranked teams, but they're the first team,
and I don't know how long we can obviously look
it up that Notre Dame stayed in the top twenty five,
knowing good and well that this brand, this logo and

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South Bend Indiana and what they've been able to do
for college football. We need getting the playoffs hopefully. These
other two teams they lost to stumble fall and get
one more loss in Notre Dame doesks we know that
they're probably gonna win the next ten games in a row.
That is where they messed up is the game of assumption.
Now the BYU thing, I don't know why this guy
sitting up in a press conference going well because of
BYU lost by this much. The easiest answer is they hey,

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they were never in it, like based on the rules
and how this whole thing is structured. Even though these
two teams is to Lane and GMU that you now
see up here, they're in. They were always in. These
eleven and twelve guys in thirteen fourteen, they were all
placeholders for what happened in the ACC championship. That's it.
The only way BYU makes it in is if they

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win the Big twelve, then Miami's also out. Miami would
never in and then and then because the College Ruble
brought the College Bable Playoff is built to have the
SEC winner, the Big ten winner, a Bag twelve winner,
and the ACC winner. That is how it's built. But
because the ACC has the most insane schedule, a billion
teams in it, and none of the good teams actually
play each other, and they fucked around the whole entire year. Now,

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the committee found themselves in a spot they never thought
they would be in, and so this is what's great.
A lot of people can be pissed about this. If
you're Notre Dame, feel free to be mad. If your Texas,
feel free.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
To be mad.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
The people I feel most bad for is Vanderbilt said it.
I'm the only one saying it. However, it sucks for
you guys that you're not in this playoff going down
the road now. The only way for real change to
take place is when catastrophic things happen. This would qualify
as a catastrophic thing happening so that the next year
the college wall bracket is more. Hey, the best twelve
teams now. The answer to that question, to me, even

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though I would love to see it, the answer is
not to make it sixteen. That is not your answer,
because you're going to run in the same problem with
sixteen through eighteen, and then there's gonna be the Jmus
and the two Lanes who are good football teams, but
they're not competitive from a winning a national championship. I
think the easiest and clearest way in.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
This Hey, shout out to Caleb B. Ingram teared talk.
He did want us to break down how we would
fix the college football Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
Okay, well here we are, Kaylee b Ingram to me
and this was not my opinion. This is opinion that
was given to me that I'm not saying, like that
sounds really a well way to do it is, Josh
pay goes, why not make it? You have to be
ranked in the top fifteen to be in the Cullegeur
Role Playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:56:10):
You have to be a top.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Fifteen team to even be into it. Now you don't
get into this JMU two lane World, Miami Notre Dame.
Like now you're kind of sniffing out these are the
best teams because I believe in somebody's correct me if
I'm wrong, you can't leave out a G five team
in the Coullegeur Role Playoff. Im my correct in that

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you're not allowed. It's literally legislation has to be changed.
If something has to happen from a government standpoint, that's
way above me to get that finished. So and then
oh this is a good one too. There's jer talk
by d Moote sixty one, go ahead, will.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
I was gonna say to add to that too. In
my opinion, you do away with championship weekend because I
know big time money, but I loved listening to Kirby's
smart breakdown his even argument for he knows he wants,
but he also did some he also did some work
for the SEC. So for Bama in this situation, he's like,
you guys, they're SEC is gonna have to play nine

(01:57:08):
conference games. He's like, you guys, just witnessed a ninth
game in the SEC. Everybody's gonna be going through the
nine conference games, and the SEC is deeper than everybody else.
And he's like, then you're just gonna get if you
do a championship game, you're gonna get a tenth SEC game. Yeah,
and if nobody, like, if nobody's going to if these
games don't mean anything, like if Bama gets worked like
that and nothing happens ranking wise, nothing really happens ranking

(01:57:31):
wise for you know, Big twelve everywhere else. It's like,
why not just throw away conference championship weekend, Get the
playoff started earlier, get it done by a New Year's.

Speaker 8 (01:57:40):
I think yeah, I think yeah, exactly, make conference championship
playing weekend. You have the spots ten, eleven, and twelve open,
and then you have six teams. Those those three winners
are now you're ten, eleventh, and twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
Dog.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
I would absolutely love that like that. Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
That is I feel like that now right, there's money everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
That that's when everywhere. However, but now you're splitting money
right because you have ACC playing Big Big ten, who's
playing Big twelve? Places s seat. Now all these conferences
are getting a bite at the apple as opposed to
their own apple alone, like the SEC Championship, Big ten Championship.
I listen, if we're talking about purity of the game.
I love everything we all just said, but we all
know the powers it be. It's all about that the

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naro that ends up happening. That's why Bowl games are
still happening. I'm gonna I'll touch on this real quick
because I know we've already moved past the subject. I
have zero issue with Notre Dame taking their ball and
going home.

Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
Zero.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
I think Bowl games are done. I told G last
year what alabim playing Mission. I was like, bro, this
game didn't matter. Like we won and that was great,
but like half your team sat out and a bun
and less of our guys sat out than your guys,
and the weather happened to work out for us. I
don't care. The most important thing for Bowl games for
me are those fifteen practices because you get your set
your kids that early in roll, you get to get

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them into an extra fifteen day practices, and now you're
looking towards the next year. Yes, I feel bad for
the marching bam and the baton girls and the cheerleaders,
everybody who's like, oh shit, yeah, seniors who are like,
oh shit, that's my last year, that was my last
game and I didn't even know it. My heart does
go out to them for that. But from a competitive standpoint,
there's zero like the days of like Vanderbilt, the way

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they took the any time any place, anywhere, like that
whole thought process that is now, that is Caveman thought process.
We're in the world of how do we get into
the college World Playoff if we're not in the cullege
role playoff? How do we make our team better through
the transfer portal and recruiting process to get to the
culgeur wrole Playoff. None of these coaches give a shit.
They probably do give a shit, but no one who

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is an actual competitive team like in Notre Dame City
outside or like a Texas that are like in that
we should have been in the playoffs. We have a
argument in our mind that we truly believe we should
be in the playoffs. No one, they don't give a
shit about the ball game. They want to look to
next year to get into sar talk about the ball game.
What he said, he was all these gratitude.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
He's all about. They can't wait to go out there
and compete against a team like Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
I love That's great. That's that's perfectly said to the
to the public. You should absolutely said it about it too.
I love that that's all. That's what That's what Vanderbilt
should absolutely say. I'm saying the shit doesn't matter anymore,
and we all know it doesn't matter anymore.

Speaker 11 (02:00:12):
You had so many teams drop out of ball games
that nine, five and seven teams were offered bowl games
and nine said no until Appalachian State said yes, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:00:26):
The world's changing. College football is changing now. You can
let we can let the snowball effect continue to take
place where it just gets bigger and bigger and worse
and worse, to where the actual product itself itself goes downhill,
or we can fix it the ESPN this wee can
get last week and get up Josh Pat the way
he was talking about the biggest problem is the schedule.
That's how you fix most of this. You can still

(02:00:47):
play your bowl games and have all that have fun
kids that are outside the playoffs, but like playing games
would have happened this past weekend, the first round is
coming up this Saturday.

Speaker 1 (02:00:58):
I love to play in.

Speaker 2 (02:00:59):
I love this December football, Dame, I love December, all
cult football. Jan one, we're finding out who are national champions.

Speaker 10 (02:01:05):
Bowl games are they don't mean anything. You take those
like Mitch just saying those teams that are on that bubble.
This play in weekend is now sponsored by those bowls.
So like your Sugar Bowl whatever, those big rosebaying. So
you still get that to narrow that you're talking about,
have a chance for the play in. You try and

(02:01:25):
make everyone happy by getting competition on the field to
fight for a chance at the playoff. Also, you have
all those major companies that sponsored bowl, the big bowl
games make their to narrow. I just don't know why
we're not moving towards that. Maybe they will and I agree.
Going to more teams, you're gonna run into an issue
where Okay, so now you want the twenty fourth best

(02:01:48):
team right in Well that's happening.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
Right now with JMU.

Speaker 1 (02:01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:01:52):
The viewership I think on these two will be you
can make money.

Speaker 2 (02:01:57):
People. Could you imagine teams playing for their the I
mean college football is exactly what this is, but you're
playing for your winning get in good.

Speaker 8 (02:02:07):
Yeah, any college any college football fan would love to
watch those games rather than like the fucking random ass
Bowl that nobody give gives a shit about.

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
Imagine watching Miami versus Texas.

Speaker 7 (02:02:18):
Like imagine watching Van Diy versus b y.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
U Fanny verse six rematch. But I'm thinking about the
you know, different conference. Yeah, like the thought of like
other teams playing each other neutral site. That's a neutral
site right then the next I think the next two
weeks after that need to be whoever the higher seat is?
That to me fires me up. Have your national championship
in a neutral site location that is always in forever
will be fair to me. Yeah, ye I does anybody

(02:02:44):
see any holes in that common section? You need to
speak up because just kind of spit it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:49):
There where we're we're in a spot we will never
forget this year of the bracket that the college foot
will playoff. I think it's going to create an urgency
to fix some things going on. Uh yeah, dude, chaos.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
Chaos.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
He got clarkly here. That's no one, no one's fault
except our own. We had our opportunities and we didn't
do enough. We're not victims in this process. Our ownership
is in coming up short.

Speaker 2 (02:03:12):
Listen clark Lee, like that quote right there, that's exactly
what you want in that building. I don't have im
well he you don't give a shit about ball games,
like we're gonna you guys can play, Guys will sit
out or not sit out. But we had it even that.
The product of the product of bowl games are crazy too,
because all the players, all the players that are going
to go to the draft, the play the thing that

(02:03:33):
you buy a ticket or I can't wait to watch
this player play. Well, that player that's playing, he's not there.
He's going to be in the portal or he's going
to be going to the draft.

Speaker 10 (02:03:40):
I think the coolest part about the clark Lee statement
is it came after Notre Dame took their ball and
went home.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
I'm telling you this is a massive war going on
with conferences and Notre Dame's independence. Yeah, yeah, I agree
with that, because if you if you take if we're
if say we're in the scope right now and we're
talking about Clark Lee's quote coming out after Notre Dame.
Let's make this about Clark Lee him being in a
conference in Notre Dame, because Notre Dame is continuing to

(02:04:07):
fight for their independence. Because every person who's mad bring
up the tier talk. Shuream, we have a tier talk
here from d d MO at sixty one. Notre Dame
can join a conference or shut the fuck up hashtag
tier talk again. Anybody who can be in Notre Dame's
position to have their independence, they would want that. And
what everybody that's part of a conference is doing is
being like, hey, this is how you get punished when

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you're not being in a conference. Because take Vanderbilt. If
Vanderbilt had Notre Dame's record, schedule everything, and they're part
of I know they played a bunch of ACC teams
or whatever else, but if Andy had that resume, Vanderbilt
would be going in because they wouldn't have lost Obama,
they wouldn't have lost to Texas like they'd be out there.
We lost one point to Texas A and m we
lost to a tough Miami team. They would be in
like in that situation, if it's not Notre Dame and

(02:04:51):
somebody in a conference, those teams are getting that team
would get in the way. Notre Dame finished on a
ten win winning streak.

Speaker 10 (02:04:56):
Notre Dame ideally has the right situation, right, But they,
like you're saying, are getting punished for it.

Speaker 5 (02:05:02):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
It's like they're they're on the wrong side of it,
get getting pushed out of it. Be like, hey man,
you're not part of a conference there, and Notre Dame
should if they're want to keep their independence, they're trying
to do the right thing strategically to continue to hold
their conference and not bend the knee on joining one. Yeah,
all right, listen, you're taking us out of the playoffs.
We all know it was absolute bullshit, and we're gonna
you know, we're gonna to sit out of our bowl game.

(02:05:24):
We're going to know that we had this this uh
part of a contract sign that gets if we're part
of the top twelve. We're gonna get an automatic bid
that we have a very easy schedule next season. Because
they do, they're gonna sit there and talk, shit, we're
gonna kill everybody that's in our way, Like, yeah, you
got an easier schedule, they have it set up. I
understand people hating Notre Dame. I understand the argument for
Notre Dame. It's a there is a bigger war going

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on with all this conference to what happens.

Speaker 2 (02:05:46):
Bigger war looks like you found out what the war was.

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
Yeah, maybe we're breaking it down a little bit. I'll
keep diving into my reddit, to my reddit language later
on to figure next year.

Speaker 5 (02:05:56):
Now that.

Speaker 10 (02:05:58):
Using Texas Ohio State, for example, that first game of
the year, no one's going to schedule that anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
Well, he actually has talked about that. He said, we're
gonna honor our games with Ohio State and Michigan because
I mean they went up north and played both us, Like, yeah,
bring your asses down here to Austin, Texas. Now they's
gonna honor those two. After that, there's no promises, which
is a bad thing for football. It's a bad thing
for football, but it's it's an understandable strategic move, and
it seemed like Nebraska's a little ahead of themselves also

(02:06:24):
because we sat here, what June July when Nebraska's like,
we're not playing Tennessee in the regular season, Like why
would you? Why would you make it harder on yourself?
If you have a logo and a conference that'll be like,
we're gonna get in.

Speaker 10 (02:06:35):
So when that happens in Notre Dame is the twelfth team,
like the what if they're not the twelfth team because
now Ohio State's playing ECU instead of Texas.

Speaker 2 (02:06:47):
And so the or Texas is playing a smart team Exactly.

Speaker 10 (02:06:51):
The stronger teams in a conference aren't going to have
that chance to drop one extra one. So Notre Dame,
you can play sam for like you're gonna play all
these teams, so not gonna help you against It's not gonna.

Speaker 1 (02:07:06):
In n IU, Yeah, yeah, Northern Island.

Speaker 10 (02:07:08):
The resume is not gonna help you get in that
twelve spot.

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
True. Now we're Notre Dames sitting at now like in
the AP they're in the top ten college rankings, they're
in the what were they who knows either way? The
first went out whatever? Uh by opting out of a
bowl game, they have they're not risking anything on having
a bad performance, So that way they'll go into the
rankings next year preseason with the loaded roster, one of
the best recruiting classes year and in year out. They're

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gonna be their position with an easier schedule. They take
care of that schedule. I mean, they're they're clearly gonna
be in Here's what Notre Dame as they will if
their positioned in like the top twelve coming out of
the gate in season and then they win all of
their games like they're not gonna So.

Speaker 10 (02:07:45):
You would put a Notre Dame, say they had one
loss next year one loss, Notre Dames schedule in or
rank them higher than an SEC Big ten team with
two losses.

Speaker 1 (02:07:59):
I have no clue.

Speaker 2 (02:08:00):
It depends where. It depends where they start and the
A people, it depends who they lost to. Here's what
Notre Dame is going to in a Notre Dame hood, right,
because if Notre Dame ops out and have the big
recruiting class of a bunch of guys coming back, obviously
Jeremiah Love is probably know the NFL. If they're going
to be ranked in the top ten and their schedule
is very easy next year, then yeah, it's in their hands.

(02:08:21):
What is going to be an issue is if Notre
Dame ever plays a difficult schedule and they have themselves
sitting in that thirteen to twelve area, and if this
war is still going on the way we think the
war's going on, then you bet your ass the Committee's
gonna have them at thirteen.

Speaker 1 (02:08:34):
People are saying for Notre Dame to get back at
whatever again, whatever war they are fighting right now, they
would try and hurt the ACC by scheduling games some
with the Big ten because of their rights and everything else.
I have no clue, but people are talking about all
the strategy Notre Dame is looking at doing currently since
they've been pushed out of the play.

Speaker 11 (02:08:53):
Their schedule next year is horrendous. By the way, the
two best teams they are playing are Miami and USC.
You could argue for s m U.

Speaker 6 (02:09:03):
I feel like the question people aren't asking is since
when do Catholics pull out?

Speaker 2 (02:09:14):
Hey? I got so blindsided by that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:16):
I know, I thought he was gonna have some serious
I was like, oh man, a different perspective. Damn, I
can't wait to hear what this is and listen to
everybody we can't use contraceptives.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
What are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (02:09:27):
Yeah? That is that's funny.

Speaker 7 (02:09:28):
Jack.

Speaker 1 (02:09:31):
Another thing two people are talking about was how the
Tuesday Show of dropping the rankings every week kind of like,
you know, looking back on it, it's like, hey, you
should have just done away with the Tuesday Rankings show
because had we known nothing and sleucch and Sunday happened yesterday,
I don't think anybody would have been surprised that Miami
would have clipped Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (02:09:50):
That will not happen because of money.

Speaker 1 (02:09:53):
It's just true.

Speaker 2 (02:09:54):
If you're gonna have every Tuesday like for the last
three four weeks, everybody does not.

Speaker 1 (02:09:58):
Like waited for Tuesdays, every minute of it.

Speaker 2 (02:10:01):
Spoiler. I did not watch one, but I'm sure a
lot of people out there are like, oh man, I
gotta fucking see. I'm just waiting for the little graft
to come out by oh shit.

Speaker 3 (02:10:09):
You know.

Speaker 11 (02:10:09):
Yeah, well then it brings out the whole tinfoil hat
discussion of this playoff essentially being owned by ESPN. ESPN's
hands on the conferences, a lot of people are saying,
if Virginia Hat beat Duke Virginia's in Notre Dame is
in as well Virginia because they need a ACC because

(02:10:32):
ACC would have I mean, Hell would have broken loose.
So they're like, what is the less of all the evils.
Piss off Alabama, piss off Notre Dame, or piss off
the ACC. Let's piss off the independent conference or the
independent team that we have been trying to bully into
joining a conference. And not just ESPN, Fox as well.
A lot of these conferences are wanting Notre Dame to

(02:10:53):
join their conference.

Speaker 1 (02:10:55):
It's and what network is the ACC partnered with?

Speaker 2 (02:10:58):
ESPN? No, no, no, it's just it's we did the
old cast.

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
You talk like this, I'm just saying, man, I gotta be.

Speaker 2 (02:11:06):
But that's what people are arguing is that this excuse me,
Bob Bigger. I want to apologize for Confident the things
that he have said.

Speaker 1 (02:11:13):
We love the CFP.

Speaker 2 (02:11:14):
His opinions are not mine. But yeah, that's crazy, but
it is.

Speaker 11 (02:11:18):
It is crazy, And a lot of people are saying
that ownership it either needs to be by multiple entities
so that there's not this kind of behind the curtain
conversation that the public is then never privy to and
they won't ever come out and say, hey, b Yu
was never gonna make it.

Speaker 10 (02:11:35):
They'll never have an explanation of why, and.

Speaker 1 (02:11:37):
Say they having a SEC representative was never part of
the conversation. Oh, it's like, come on.

Speaker 10 (02:11:46):
Notre Dame instead of like a JMU or two lane.

Speaker 1 (02:11:50):
But I can't.

Speaker 10 (02:11:52):
But like, if you're gonna, now's the time to fucking rewrite, right.

Speaker 1 (02:11:57):
But I'm saying, if they were to do that, like
that is actually it's a lee.

Speaker 2 (02:12:00):
Yeah, that's what I kept saying. Josh Pay. Josh Pay
kept telling me that this is actually illegal. The rule.

Speaker 8 (02:12:06):
The rule is the five highest ranked conference champs and
that's where those two fall in is because of them,
and like that's the rule. That's legal. But it's also
like in legal writing that at least one g G
five has to come.

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
I think committee is absolutely. So everybody is like, yes,
this kind of sucks that we have two G five's
in this college.

Speaker 2 (02:12:25):
It does. But when they get mopped, and I hope
they do no disrespect to the G fives, I hope
they get fucking mopped so we can all just sit
there and be like, Kay, let's time to change legislation
because here's what the G fives and I know, I
guess I've caught a lot of heat from the Jurassic
Park thing. And it's like the opinion doesn't change, like
the truth. The truth doesn't care about your feelings in

(02:12:45):
the situation, like your schools aren't built to compete with
the top twelve teams in college football.

Speaker 1 (02:12:50):
They aren't.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
And the world we live in now, you're a stepping
stone school to get to the next place. G fives
are holding on to Boise State versus Oklahoma, Fiesta Ble,
that's what they're holding on to. And if a G
five is undefeated and they're mopping all the teams in
their conference, hell yeah, put them in. This seems like
the team they can actually make a little bit of dent.
Let's see what happens. Then put them in. Absolutely, but

(02:13:12):
to happen, huh year was good?

Speaker 1 (02:13:16):
What happened to them.

Speaker 7 (02:13:17):
I mean, they didn't get blown out by Penn State,
but they obviously lost.

Speaker 2 (02:13:20):
There was never in question.

Speaker 1 (02:13:22):
But they earned their way up there, and they were
ranked a certain way to where they're only metrics of
like being in the College Football player.

Speaker 8 (02:13:29):
Boise States only lost it last year was like by
three points to Oregon. Yeah, they had the best player
in college football with Ashan Genty. So like I feel
like last year Boise State was warranted to be in it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:40):
This year, yeah, G five is like undefeated or whatever.
They're in the top fifteen. They've like earned their way
into the College Wable playoffs. But doing it this year
just feels like it's like, Okay, let's put the champion
of the CFL now gets to be the last seed
in the NFL playoffs. They get an automatic bid to
the to the NFL playoffs.

Speaker 11 (02:14:01):
It would be fun for that argument exactly two of
the playing games. That is a perfect excuse for the
playing games with those G five teams, and you have
some like fun storylines to follow and underdog story.

Speaker 4 (02:14:16):
If you, if you guys are who you say you
are and you love chaos, you'd be rooting for the
G five teams to win in the playoff.

Speaker 1 (02:14:23):
No, because ultimately I want the twelve best teams in
the college who will playoff.

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
You don't want chaos, No, we want kiss in the
sense that we're sitting here right now after the chaos
we've wanted to unfold. The reality is is like these
G fives we the chaos. We want well I'll speak
for me. The chaos that I want is for exactly
what happens so that change is made. Because at the
end of the day, I would love like the way
we just put together this playing thing we get we

(02:14:48):
get on mass championships on Jan. One, like that's college
football season. Then the portal opens Jan. Two, like, which
doesn't it already? The Church reportal, Yeah, start entering today. Basically, Buddy,
I cannot wait to see how this transfer portal takes
place as I.

Speaker 1 (02:15:05):
Think about it, though, j JP, you might be onto something.
That's what I'm saying, Like for any g fuss you know,
JMU two Lane, you're out there watching this right now.
Willis's kind of I'm here to get recruited. Make that run.

Speaker 12 (02:15:16):
I'm not starts winning like they be Ole Miss, which
could happen. You know, Lane's gone and they make a
little run. You guys would hate that. Or no, no, no,
Lane wins their first game. I will be into Lane
gear the next week.

Speaker 2 (02:15:29):
Hey, hey, same thing, same as that. Like, listen, I
don't think they have any business being in the playoff.
If either of these teams win, I am one hundred wrong.
Take all my opinions, throw in the trash and I
will also be in whatever gear wins, So keep the playoff.

Speaker 1 (02:15:45):
The same way. Then if one of them wins, is
what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (02:15:47):
No, we'll have that conversation later.

Speaker 4 (02:15:51):
The only other thing that bothers me with like all
of the rule making of college football. I hate when
we that we have to sit here and say, oh no,
like it's it's written into law, we have to take
it to court. I'm like, why, man, this is college football?

Speaker 2 (02:16:05):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:16:05):
Why what are we doing one even spending tax money
on like having this be something that we're that we're
paying for too. It's just like the greatness of college
football is in the power of the people, dude. It's
taking there, taking the power from the people.

Speaker 2 (02:16:20):
There's so many things that are backwards. You're like, why
is the committee full of ads?

Speaker 7 (02:16:23):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:16:24):
Like, it's like you have a bunch of ads who
I'm assuming some of them will probably working through coaching changes.

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
There's one who's on the committee. There's one very good one, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:16:38):
Yeah, Like you're gonna tell me you're the ad of
a school your coach has left and you have to
hire a new coach. And then they're like, hey, do
you mind having taking five ten minutes, but all of
your energy into collegeball playoffs. That's crazy, dude, that's crazy.
You want twelve individuals and Josh Payton the room or
eleven individuals and Josh Papon.

Speaker 1 (02:16:55):
I wouldn't mind if they kept Troy Dannon ad from Nebraska.
He's on the committee.

Speaker 2 (02:17:00):
I think nothing. You need to have people that understand
all You need to have number people and people that
understand football. You need to put them into a room
and their sole focus is what is the best thing
for college football? Who are the most deserving and who
are the best teams to be the top twelve teams.

Speaker 8 (02:17:13):
You can't be having these people that are fucking eighty
years old watching football as if they know what the
fuck is going on they could.

Speaker 1 (02:17:19):
Let's not just take shots at all eighty year olds
out there, bro, Like there's some dudes who are sikos.
You didn't meet Josh Pai's dad. You didn't meet Josh
Pay's dad.

Speaker 8 (02:17:28):
Like Josh paid is the way Josh paid is because
of Josh Paid's dad. Like, I'm sure he's a fucking legend. Yeah,
so what I'm saying these people here?

Speaker 1 (02:17:41):
Yeah, so eighty year old like there could be some
cats that are still to understand what they're talking about. Listen,
some I would love to be in the room. I'd
love to be in the room with the comman.

Speaker 2 (02:17:49):
Would love to sit there and have these types of
conversations like the commansion we're happening right now is how
I would hope the committee is having these types of
conversations right.

Speaker 1 (02:17:58):
No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (02:17:58):
They're looking at a computer screen that go, well, makes sense,
But our interests are X, Y and Z. Let's move
these two couple of things. Yes, and then you get
a couple of sickos like us to go sit in
the room and be like, hey, listen, this is what
the world wants. This is what the world needs.

Speaker 4 (02:18:15):
It should take two or three days to like change
a rule in college football. Yeah, what's the worst thing
that happens? You mess up? Dang, we we missed on
a football game this year. Let's fix it.

Speaker 1 (02:18:26):
Yeah, that's what I don't get, Like, hey, like Duke wins,
and then immediately we'll just say group chat, the group
chat of the committee gets hit up. We got to
get a rule in over the next twenty four hours.

Speaker 9 (02:18:40):
Works.

Speaker 2 (02:18:43):
He's in They're so old I don't know the group
chat works.

Speaker 1 (02:18:45):
Oh they don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:18:47):
I mean, Mitch hate's old people. That's figured out on
this shows.

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
The average college football committee playoff committee is sixty one.

Speaker 2 (02:18:58):
I don't think that's bad.

Speaker 1 (02:18:59):
Again, I don't have I'm not disrespecting my elders whatsoever, Mitch.
If you want to disrespect your elders, going ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:19:06):
You've you've already have. He've already crossed the lines.

Speaker 1 (02:19:09):
These guys are like eighty in there.

Speaker 2 (02:19:11):
Jeez, yeah, should we hit a couple of tear tungs?
Do we feel good? Is there any other things we
want to talk about as far as college football goes? Oh, clump,
go ahead with it. The Hey, first off, don't ever
raise your hand like that again. Man, like you wanted
something to say that you put that. He goes like this,
he goes, he hit the shoulder on me. It's like, buddy,

(02:19:31):
fucking put it up.

Speaker 1 (02:19:32):
The Heisman trophy. We want to talk about that at all.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
It should absolutely be Diego Povian.

Speaker 1 (02:19:39):
It's gonna be hey, odds really shift into a fan,
no doubt to MEAA, but it's gonna be hard. If
you're a massive Mendoza fan and you saw that postgame interview.
Look at interviews.

Speaker 2 (02:19:52):
Interview shouldn't win you a trophy.

Speaker 12 (02:19:53):
Mendoza's stats are just disrespectful to the Heisman Trophy.

Speaker 1 (02:19:57):
I think Mendoz is a great player. Interview. I agree.

Speaker 12 (02:19:59):
I'm not disrespecting him in any way. But he is
on an elite football team, an elite coached football team.
They're top five and rushing, top five defense. He hasn't
even thrown for three thousand yards. He's gonna win the
Heisman Trophy. That is a disgrace to the Heisman Trophy.

Speaker 1 (02:20:14):
It should absolutely be Diego Pavia.

Speaker 2 (02:20:17):
Yeah, that's oh, here we go.

Speaker 1 (02:20:19):
Stats.

Speaker 12 (02:20:19):
Since November first, Diego Pavia has thrown for one fund
ninety four yards and twelve touchdowns. Fernando Mendoza has thrown
for one thousand, fifty seven yards and only nine touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (02:20:28):
But that's not even I mean, we're that doesn't even
include the run game. Yeah, touchdowns and rush yards that
Diego has. It's crazy. And the way that Vandy has
just been playing as of late, it does suck that
they that they're not looking at a playoff opportunity.

Speaker 10 (02:20:41):
So if Diego had one more game to prove himself
what do you think would have happened.

Speaker 2 (02:20:47):
Right, that's a that's a great question, Like if the SEC,
if these championships, if these conference championships don't matter for
the playoffs, then we shouldn't have any weight in the
conference championship players playing in their stat line to go
into the Heisman Trophy. Correct, it should have stayed. Okay,
this is this is the sample size you have to
work with. Now we go in and give out the
Heisman Trophy. I agree, I think.

Speaker 7 (02:21:10):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (02:21:10):
I mean that's a great point, ge Like, if it
doesn't matter for the teams, what does it matter for
the individual player? Yeah, buddy, we fucking did it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:19):
You could have the playing games too.

Speaker 2 (02:21:21):
That's crazy to think, right, Like we really kind of
figured it out today.

Speaker 5 (02:21:24):
Really hard playing.

Speaker 12 (02:21:26):
Games, playing games need to games happened. Diego Pavi would
be another game for a chance to show that he's
the Heisman.

Speaker 2 (02:21:33):
Trophy and his stats are already above and beyond everybody else's.

Speaker 12 (02:21:35):
He has almost a thousand more yards than Mendoza, by
the way, totally yards.

Speaker 1 (02:21:42):
We need that graphic made clump so we can continue
to push for Pavia.

Speaker 12 (02:21:45):
Yeah again, I hate hating on Fernana Mendoza because I
actually think he's a good player. But against Oregon and
Ohio State, two hundred and eighteen yards passing, one touchdown,
one interception, his average against top teams, that's that's a
good thing.

Speaker 1 (02:22:00):
Her downthrow though, let's give him.

Speaker 2 (02:22:01):
The high and listen, we're talking about a Heisman Trophy winner,
like Fernanda Mendoza is a good football player, have a
very long career in the NFL. I have a lot
of respect for him. Hope some day he comes on
the bus. But if we're talking about who should win
the Heisman Trophy, it's like this is a year where
we're talking about who, but we don't know. It's probably
gonna go to Fernando based on his odds. Right now,
it should just clearly be Diego's going to win this.

(02:22:21):
Clearly he's the guy that should win the Heisman Trophy.

Speaker 12 (02:22:23):
Or if you want to get crazy, at least Jacob Rodriguez, like,
at least mix it up.

Speaker 1 (02:22:27):
Yeah, like that to me would still be he.

Speaker 2 (02:22:29):
Threw a couple of those iron ts though, right, Yeah,
that's where you gotta put him down. Then I gotta
put them down.

Speaker 1 (02:22:34):
Put them quads, those quads, man.

Speaker 2 (02:22:40):
But I'll tell you what. The reason why, the reason
why Diego is not gonna win. This has to do
with the logo, but it's also his process off the field,
the way he knows himself off the field. It hurts
him in this and that sucks to say it because
it should only matter what you do in the field.

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
Hey, yeah, Jack, Jack, who you got for the highest.

Speaker 6 (02:23:00):
Fernando Mendoza, man my highs and winners, hugging women in wheelchairs.

Speaker 9 (02:23:05):
The other guy flexing at USC yet again. So and
that good for him? I hope, I hope he has
a long pro.

Speaker 6 (02:23:11):
I wish we were at the UFC this but look
there people are discrediting the rely Quest Bowl too, like
that's awesome for Vanderbilt, Like that's a huge game. So
congratulations toodores. Uh Tennessee's and the Music City Bowl.

Speaker 1 (02:23:30):
One Music City Bowl. Yeah, we got it for the
game in.

Speaker 9 (02:23:35):
Ten years, which is great. It'll be fun, but you know,
you guys, sucks for him.

Speaker 1 (02:23:41):
Yeah, Nebraska is about to beat Utah's ass in Vegas.
Pre Nebraska making some moves now, are we going going
the coordinator? Yeah yeah, yeah, fired the old line coach
they got in Uh old buddy from Georgia Tech who's
been known to have some good offensive line.

Speaker 12 (02:24:00):
Did you guys see James Franklin hired Brent Prye.

Speaker 1 (02:24:03):
Back as the defensive coordinator.

Speaker 12 (02:24:04):
Yeah, time he got fired, he was like emotional about
it because they coached together before when he took the job.
Franklin was emotional that they fired him because of what
he built there. So pretty cool that they brought him back.

Speaker 1 (02:24:14):
Yeah, and cool too that they have a good enough
relationship him in the school coach probably in the school
that yeah, he's it was kind of probably an easy
transition for him to go back.

Speaker 2 (02:24:23):
Dude, vaw Tech. I'll tell you what's gonna happen to
Like h with Penn State, Like we're gonna look back
in two three years with the signing, the class that
they've had with they sounded like two guys that stayed
there in the hundreds. As far as recruiting class, they
fell off a cliff. Virginia Tech took everybody. I can't
wait for three four years when those kids are seniors
and Penn State has found themselves back in the top
twenty five. And how cool of the story it's going

(02:24:45):
to be. What Matt Campbell has done with Penn State
and resurrecting them because it's gonna be bumpy for a
couple of years. Now, it's gonna be bumpy.

Speaker 1 (02:24:52):
That was a good hire though, yeah, knowing that they
were kind of botching the entire thing.

Speaker 2 (02:24:56):
Good hire. According to Josh Pate, do you.

Speaker 1 (02:24:58):
Have any more tear talks and then we can wrap.
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(02:25:21):
Now that your four year prophecy has come true with
the Chiefs not making the playoffs, dynasty isn't over just
on the sabbatical. How many years will it be until
your prediction of Nebraska making the college football playoffs? No,
here we go.

Speaker 2 (02:25:36):
Look there's schedules is a juggernaut.

Speaker 1 (02:25:40):
Next year, we got a tough schedule next year. Let
all the blacksmiths, let all the common men know in
the village we're looking at, uh.

Speaker 7 (02:25:52):
Yourself quite yet?

Speaker 2 (02:25:58):
Ohio Bowling, Green, North Dakota, Indiana, Maryland, Ohio State, Washington, Illinois, Iowa,
Michigan State, Oregon, Rutgers run.

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
Yeah, it's gonna be tough. I hear ears, you know
it'll probably be.

Speaker 2 (02:26:12):
No, this is not an order. They haven't set the
schedule yet. This is the teams they play.

Speaker 1 (02:26:15):
It'll be two years where we getting the college ball playoff,
because next year we'll go ten and two. We're gonna
get fuck somehow getting in the college football playoff based
on what just happened this year will probably the Vanderbilt
college football.

Speaker 2 (02:26:24):
Next year I goes so hard and then the next
year will be our year. Can I give a prediction
for Michigan for Nebraska?

Speaker 1 (02:26:34):
Oh God, here we go eight and four incoming? Not
even maybe not even eight and four. Go ahead, Shit
on us.

Speaker 2 (02:26:39):
I'm not just shutting on you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:26:42):
Shit on us. Dude, don't even know why I'm wearing
these headphones.

Speaker 2 (02:26:44):
Still, Okay, Go up, go up, go up, go up,
go down, go down, go down, go down. Yeah. I
want twenty six. I want twenty six. A lot of
us marks with Nebraska's roster going into this offseason. Indiana,

(02:27:04):
Ohio State, go down, Oregon. Eight and four. Yeah, I
think eight and four is the floor for Nebraska. That's
the floor. Like as you look at Indiana. We gotta assume, right,

(02:27:25):
Ohio State's always a top dog Oregon and then to me,
it's like, well, Iowa, you have to at this point,
it's like, bro until until they do, you gotta just assume.
And so like, I think it's gonna be big if
you guys like Washington. Washington's a good ball club. Illinois,
they're a good ball club. That's true.

Speaker 1 (02:27:47):
That is true.

Speaker 2 (02:27:50):
So yeah, I think eight and four, eight and four,
and I think at the listen and I'm not even
fucking around. I want to be very serious, like that
is a hard funck schedule, right, I can see nine
to three, but I feel like it's a most likely
eight and four.

Speaker 4 (02:28:07):
And is that?

Speaker 2 (02:28:08):
Do you feel some type of way about me saying.

Speaker 1 (02:28:09):
That I have no emotion? Okay, you talking about a brass.

Speaker 2 (02:28:15):
Good feel great?

Speaker 1 (02:28:17):
You end on that tear talk? Did we hear? I'm
assuming we kind of covered the tier talks you're scrolling through. Okay,
appreciate you guys for tuning in. Big hugs, tiny kisses.
We will be dropping busting with the boys tomorrow with
Coach ed or Jerono. Kiss to see you tomorrow morning.

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