Clay Matthews Talks Break Up With Packers, USC Dynasty, & His Family’s NFL Legacy With Brother Kyle

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Alright, We're good.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
You like.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Busting with the boss, hanging with the fans, betting on
a game no moment's gonna tell us.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Would not be. We're here.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Just drinking beer and making that baby. I'm hanging with
the feelers, Busting with the boys, bro.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Our boys.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Welcome to another episode of Bust with the Boys, Episode
three eleven. Quick note with got a little NFL and
we just sprinkle a little bit of CFB before the
Matthews interview. Great interview. These guys are incredible. You hear
the family dynamic. It is true belly laughs coming your way.
But all of college foot ball talk will take place
in the locker room this week. Big hugs, tiny kisses,

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Please enjoy everything locker room drop serve.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
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for more award details. Fellas, it's been a long week.
It's been a long seven days. The last time a
second bus Waldcar Weekends in the books, Walcar Weekend, College
Football Playoffs, Surviving Barstool and also side note, I hope
everybody out in LA that listen to our show. I
know we got some California fans. I hope everybody's doing
well safe. Like those fires just seem I mean, it's brutal.

(02:13):
What's going on out there.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
It's crazy. What's going on. It's crazy. Also seeing videos
of people adding to the fire in certain parts on Twitter,
which is just nuts, man.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
People adding to the fire.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yeah, there's videos of people actually going around. I think
there's one specific one of people opening their trunk in
the middle of the highway, pulling out cans of gasoline
and throwing it into the bush. So David Spade came out,
had a selfie video saying, the police found a guy,
let him go, who's starting fires? And he's like, if
you find anybody in the police, arrest them. I'll give
you five thousand dollars. So David Spate said, So, it's

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like a something going on out there.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
My god, something going on in.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
The City of Angels right now.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I hope everybody's keeping their head.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Hope everyone's safe. Hope everyone's if we had a this weekend,
I was in Vegas and my neighbor was running from
the fires. I don't know if you guys heard of him.
Adam Sandler heard of him. He was out there, yea,
you meet him? Yeah? I ended up meeting him.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
How to go, just on.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
The elevator walking in.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Hey, good morning.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
How are you got out of there?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
He was, dude, that was it.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
He was running from fires. He was with his wife
and his two kids. They were waiting. They didn't seem
like they want to be bothered.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
But you didn't ask if you wanted to be on
busting with the boys.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Not yet, ye And I thought about I thought about
him with the oh you did something with Travis. I
know Travis, we have a show called I thought about
doing the whole thing. I had a whole speech in
my head. Obviously, I was texting you about it. I
haven't thought about writing that note. But then things got
out of him. But uh yeah. I saw him at
the elevator multiple times, walk behind him. Actually, the first
time I saw him, I was walking behind him in
the hallway, him and his daughter, and I was kind

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of like five paces behind him, but they didn't know
I was there. So I let like a out so
they knew. Scared the shit out of his daughter, and
it was just like right in there. I was like, oh,
I got to get out of here, narrow hallway. Had
to booge you way too big. You're way too big,
way too big. Yeah, command just like walk like hunched
over walking towards her. It was too much. It was
too much.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Man.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Taylor was telling me how he was in like the
room next to him. I was like, you should slip
a note like under his door.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
I was like, bro, I'm gonna do it for sure,
Gonna do that for sure. And then I was in
the fight of my life for forty eight hours straight.
I kind of I kind of forgot about it a
little bit. But guy is dressed exactly like you see
him all the time.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Oh yeah he is.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
You see, I saw him three times. His outfit never changed,
Like he is a homie, you can just tell. And
the boys at Red Rock were telling me, They're like,
uh yeah. The only thing I was like, is he
like a high maintenance cauves. Again, He's like, no, he's
a high minutes at all. The only thing he wanted
was a lifetime fitness passed for a day to he'll
play pick up basketball.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
So they thought it just all time, you know, sanely
to the way he dresses like he's peak, his laundry
pop by his bed and he just gets up the
morning question.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, he's the guy that like puts his clothes down
and then like puts his feet right in. As he's
getting off the bed, he just pulls the same shorts up.
But yeah, dude, highlight, highlight. It was awesome. It was
a good little deal. But yeah, shouts to people fighting
the fires. That's tough, man.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Where should we start first? Should we go NFL recap?
Should we go college football? Should we go.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
So let's go NFL. It's the most recent thing in
my brain right now.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
The Pats like that, are we talking playing let's go there?

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Because that is exact I mean, that's exactly what should
have happened. Yeah, exactly what should have happened. And you know,
every Titans fan, obviously being in Nashville, every Titans fan,
Amy Adams, Trunk, everybody who is associated with the Titans
right now punching the air. They're fucking pissed off at
themselves because they messed up bad love Callahan. His story
is still unwritten. We don't know the whole entire thing.
How that that final you know, period happens. However, a

(05:31):
guy like Rabel, it's exactly what the Pats need. Yeah,
it's exactly what the path.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
To exactly for Rabel, Like, that's just the perfect storm.
You're going back to a spot to where you had
a fourteen year career. Obviously you played for a good
amount in New England. You got what three Super Bowls,
Patriots Hall of Fame, Yeah, Patriots Hall of Fame. You've
caught touchdown passes, like, you know the culture, you know
the leadership there. You're going into an environment You're going
into a situation that's honestly perfect for him. You've got

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a good young quarterback in Drake May. You got a
lot of uh, you got a lot of cap space.
You know. The first move too, you got to get
John Striker away from the Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
I already texted Stretch. I say, congrats and your moved
to New England. Yeah, he knows what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
You know, yeah, you know you're getting ready for the Viking.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
But you're right and but yeah, as always, this is
Monday as you're watching the show where it's Tuesday. Was
Thursday Friday. The Vikings and the Rams have not played yet.
We should actually go over that game because I think
you took the Vikings in locker room, right.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, but we don't know. By the time this comes
out of the game, I know.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
I'd like to publicly change my opinion, though. I think
the Rams are gonna win that game. I think the
Rams I'm taking. I'm taking a veteran coach that's had
many times in the playoffs. I'm taking him and a
playoff stafford. Yeah, and the playoff stafford.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, he shows up. I know that his last three
times getting on the grass. He's averaged like one hundred
and fifty yards and throwing for only one or two
touchdowns total to last three games.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Put the script this time.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, yeah, and you know if the Rams win, he's
going back. You get to see Detroit's Stafford golf. You
can see that whole thing. That would beat to see that.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
God. People saying fuck you. I I can't believe the
line sans did that just tell them go fuck himself
chanting fuck Stafford. Yeah, that is just crazy to me.
But I love it. I absolutely love it. But yeh,
did Raves be on the Pats? Unbelievable. With good news
always comes a little bit of bad news. It seems
like Steelers Twitter is over the Mike Tomlin experience, which
is coming just strictly from my perspective. If you're a

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team like the Steelers who has had multiple Super Bowls,
you're a storied, historied franchise, and you have a coach
that gets you in the playoffs, you have to hear
whether you go far, whether you don't go you kind
of just like go that first game and come out.
It's kind of like Tyreek Hill saying, this is my
first time I haven't made the playoffs, I'm out of here.
Like you you just sometimes as a fan you get
so conditioned and callous to the success you've had that's

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no longer good enough. Let me tell you, as a
person who played for a franchise that was not always
a guarantee to make the playoffs all the time. Stay
as long as you can understand that this man is
the man for the job. Also us in the playoffs
every single year. If you are picking in that eighteen
to twenty four range every single year, like it's gonna

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be tough to get your quarterback, it's gonna get tough
to get those premier blue chip players because a lot
of people think like just because you're picked in the
first round means like that doesn't mean it means you're
like a premium guy. When reality, it's like, how good
is the draft? Who's going before? What are your needs?
Your necessities? When you're picking up in those late teens,
early twenties, it's fucking hard to keep keep establishing you

(08:32):
know a lot of talent on your team while everybody
doesn't catch up. So I'm personally a fan of tomans
Dain if he is fired, so many needs to throw
the bag at him immediately.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
But it should be a thing too, Like if you
look at the last what is eight years, he's been
one and done in the playoffs, doesn't just pick just
I guess picking coach like verybel Let's just say he's
on the Titans. Say use the first eight years little
bit we were one and done every year. Fans would
be pretty upset about it. Well, Like and again, Tomlin
is a big culture guy, one of the best culture
guys in the business. He's had his his histories with

(09:03):
like the A B's.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Of the world.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
You've had, You've had to You've had to balance a
lot of different personalities in that locker room. And too,
it's such like over time, even though he's a really
good culture guy, it's the same kind of culture stuff
over and over. Like that could kind of slow down
at some point.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
You want to do it, you want it fresh.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, they do have like the lowest paid offense in
the league. They got all their money tied up defensively.
If you're looking at from a zoomed out views, is like,
do you kind of blow up a little bit on
defense and try and get some cap space and restructure
a little bit, move some pieces around. Because as good
as Cam Hayward is, he's been there forever. He's getting
longer in the two thirteen years now. TJ Widde is
obviously a stud of defensive any type of guy. Yeah,

(09:40):
he's not going anywhere. But you got to almost look
at all of these different options to kind of blow
it up a little bit. If you're gonna stick with Tomlin.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, and going off of you know, the example you
just gave of you if Mike Rabel is at the
Titans for eight years.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Imagine any coach who gets their job in their first
eight years. First year they go to the playoffs. Everybody's
riding high. But every year they get to the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
In this but that's not the example we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
They got the ten wins and then lost the final
four or five games.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
I understand, However, you're talking about a sample size of
eight years from Tomlin. He's been there forever. He won
a Super Bowl in two thousand and eight with the Steelers,
like he's had more of it. I'm just saying, if
you look at he said, hey, I'm gonna give you
a head coach, you' gonna make the playoffs every single year,
but you're gonna be out of the playoffs after the
first round every single year for eight years. You probably say, no,
I'm not going to sign up for that. But if

(10:30):
you had a little more context to you know, Le'Veon
bell Ab kind of you're saying the Pouncy Brothers, all
these and the poundcer Bulls. You say pouncy because they're
such a prolific group of individuals, when really only one
pouncy brother played there. Marky's pouncy is one of the
greatest leaders from my understanding that anyone's ever seen, Like
he is one of those guys that are just all
fucking time, like a true locker room guy, keeps everybody

(10:51):
in check, but like still very unique, loud, boisterous like
individual we're free hernandez hats when all that stuff was
going on, like they are in the public, and we'll
do some controversial things if you're able to navigate that.
Many personalities have sustainable success and being somewhere for so long.
For me, it's very difficult to say, okay, go ahead
and walk away from that because the grass is not

(11:11):
always greener on the other side. You don't know how
good you're gonna have it. I feel like the Titans
are feeling that a little bit right now. Like I said,
that story is still unwritten. But you just once you
start getting away from stuff. And then also you look
at the Patriots. We're very excited for Rabel, but if
Rabel doesn't have success, you're not looking at like, hey,
maybe we should have stayed with Belichick. Let him stay
for as long as you want it. So it's it's

(11:31):
it's scarier to get away from Tomlin. It's safer to
stay because from the outside our perspective looking in on
the Steelers. That's just my take on it.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
I think that George Pickens, as I was thinking about
it more as crazy as his press conference sounded, that
answer is almost I feel like Steeler's nation of like,
how do you feel like the year went? We progressed,
it was good, I got better. Are you optimistic?

Speaker 2 (11:56):
No?

Speaker 6 (11:58):
I had a decent year, And I feel like that's
how the fans kind of feel. Yeah, does George Pickens
know what optimistic means? That was the question on the internet.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Is funny. He has got to be probably the number
one character in the league right now.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
Yeah, he's my favorite player.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
He's a fair player. He really is. But he just
you'll just see a play going on and they will
be in the corner of the screen of throwing somebody
to the ground.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Watching a game.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Street rat type ship.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
They're gonna have to get on the ball pretty sooner.
He's just gonna start giving up on routes.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah, yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
And if you keep everybody together, you almost gotta you
gotta go try and find another quarterback.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Run, you gotta find a quarterback. You got Fields, Yeah, no,
you gotta go get a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
But if you're wanting to be this team that gets
over the hump of winning one playoff game over winning
a playoff game, quarterbacks, Yeah, but Fields could do it.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
That's what That's what Will is essentially saying, is like, yeah,
you had a ten one season. That's great you look
at it on paper, but then you put since twenty sixteen,
you have them limping into the playoffs. So Wilson starts
off strong and then all of a sudden putters out.
You know, it hurts.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
When Russ came in, he was making that decision correct
for several games.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, there was a public apology in the locker room
from me because I thought Russell was terrible, and I
thought he was done and he was playing a lot better.
Turns out I was right. It turns out I was
right all along. You Arthur Smith.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
Low key though Key should go to the past. He's not.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
He's not on a very good run. The offense was
not good with the Falcons. That wasn't good at the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Had success with Rabel Tannehill.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, I wonder who Rabe's gonna bring in his OC.
Maybe Josh McDaniels, that's what I saw. You see that report.
I think that's a no no. You stay away from
that for sure, Arthur Smith, because you know Rabe usually
brings in like guys, he's super close.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Here's the thing that I don't like that coaches do
hiring their friends. I do not like that. I think
it is a It is a miss and it gets people. Yeah,
it gets people fired. It gets guys fired. Whether the
GM you hire the head coach as your friend or
you're a head coach hiring your staff. It's like, just
pick the best guy for the job. Pick the best

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guy for the job who has the same core values
as you do. When you're establishing a culture of a
football team, move on after that.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Be okay.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
It's okay to say to your buddy. Listen, Garrett, I
love you to death. You're not gonna be my OC.
I'm sorry. I know you think you're you should.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Be able to Todd Downy, Todd.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Downing, and and the thing is is, yeah, you bring
up Todd. It sucks sitting here being like publicly like, yeah,
that wasn't the move. It wasn't a move. I love Todd.
I thought he was a great guy in the locker room,
great guy to hang out with, like him as an individual.
Was not the move at the OC. It just is
what it is. Does Braves have any overlap with Bobby
Slowick in Houston where he could snag him over, you.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Know, because slow it came from the Niners with with Raheem.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Or the Patriots Tree Patriots Tree is.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Morrison.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
I mean, all right, you brought up Picking having his
postgame presser about not being optimistic. You see a J.
Brown reading no post game he had one catch, he
had one catch. After the game, he was livid they
win a playoff game. He was livid. I'm not talking.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I saw him reading, but then I saw him talking
about reading, and like.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Right, you haven't tweeted about it. He's he basically the
beat reporters. The reporters came up after the game and
he's like, I'm not talking today. I got nothing to say,
and then like got his staying smile on his face.
But you know, Aj, it was like an AJ like
I'm smiling at you, but really have a few me inside.
I'm just trying to get away from this so I
don't blow up type of situation.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Well, I saw when I saw the book. When I
saw the book stuff, I was laughing out loud.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, the book thing is funny. But he has had
the book open in the middle though, which is nice.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, he's trying to get his head right, like he
did only have one catch. Maybe he's like, let me
just and they were let me read my favorite Yeah,
let me read my favorite paragraph so I can calm
the fuck down.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
There were multiple like omaha routes, quick out routes on
several plays where it went to DeVante Smith and he
was it was like, you know, a contested catch that
Smith would come down with, but Aj'd be over there
and he'd have like five six yards of cushion where
there'd be some yak.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, I saw a couple where he's got these hitch routes.
He's getting some separation at the top of the route.
You see a couple times where they're going to Davante
when aj just on his you know, special move slant
route where he'll just take it to the house and
if you throw it to him and.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Stick it on the Eagles to the selflessness of Saquon
Barkley at the end of the game, games already essentially
in hand, there's a minute six left, like you score,
it really doesn't matter. And he had so much open
field to run, so much open field to get like legit,
forty more yards and still could have slipped, Yeah, but
decided to just slide it down and the game. Save

(17:00):
the legs. Get a big one coming up next week.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, who do they? Obviously depends on tonight with the
Vikings and the Rams, But as of right now, who
are they looking to play? Like, say, the Vikings wins
in there the food so it would be it would
be the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, Okay, seven's Washington.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
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Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah, Bill's Ravens is gonna be a game.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
That's gonna be awesome MVP battle. Yeah, so the whole
staff Detroit couldn't happen unless it was the championship game?
Got you follow?

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Man? That game is going to be the game to watch?
Which game Ravens Bills?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Oh? Yeah, man, that game is gonna be so cooking
They're cooking.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, do we go?

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Do we talk about the I mean, the only fun
game to watch this weekend was The Commander's Buck.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
I want to get your opinion that, being a former commander,
former redskin.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
I'm fired up for him.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Yeah, I'm fired up for him. You think the road,
do you think that they can make a little run here?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, objectively I feel like or subjectively I feel
like it's the end of the road, like you're going
to Detroit.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Detroit is a monster, man powerhouse.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Detroit is a monster. But if you're the Commanders, like
you're in the tournament, who fucking knows. Jane Daniels been
playing his ass on so JP. This dude and a
rookie Like, you're right, this dude operates at a such
a high level. It's so fun to watch. And I
know this city is just so fired up right now. Dude,
you have a lot to look forward to in the future,
whether or not this is at the end of the
road this week, because I did, I thought the Bucks

(19:51):
would probably beat them. But yeah, fired up for the Commanders.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
You and watching him run around like he's he is
such an awareness of the defenders around him that he
reminds you a lot of Lamar Jackson when he's scrambling. Yeah,
and he gets those three four yards and then just
hits the ground real quick, pops back up like he's
got a poised confidence about him. Because you see these
running quarterbacks, the Redskins in recent history. You have these
like really like insane, major highlight running quarterbacks, and then

(20:16):
injuries start happening. It becomes a massive issue. With this kid.
He's got that Lamar Jackson feel where it's like, yeah,
he can run, he can throw it too, and he
seems like a guy that knows how to stay healthy.
No said to keep the legs right, knows that to
getting those weird entanglements where his bodies and you know,
doing a whole bunch of oregony type Yeah, popped on
the sideline.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yay, Yeah that was nuts.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
And if you're the offensive lineman, I tweeted this out
like that hits not bad, Like that's just a good
old fashioned highlight NFL hit, Like you're gonna put that
in the promo next year going into Week one. But
as an offensive lignement of the commanders, you've got to
start belly bumping or chest but yeah, you start barking
a little bit, get up your boy's face, start going
little know, a little bit, huh.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
In that third and short where ninety four had him
in the backfield and he just hits with it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
hits with that stif arm and gets the first down towl.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
Yeah, the whole time chasing him downstairs like bro drop it, the.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Bro drop it.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, dude, did anybody know what happened to Levante at
the end of the game. I saw he got rolled
up on I don't I don't think I saw any
reports on it yet. You know what, I'm sitting there.
It's like I'm Public Commanders, That's who I played for.
But I'm thinking, like Levante, I know, I don't know
how much longer he's gonna play, Like this could have
been his life. That could have been his last game.
Yesterday could have been his last game if he if
he retireded you cry, do what ran?

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Which? Dude?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Bro, I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there and I'm telling
charl I'm like, sweetheart, Like this dude was drafting the
league a year before me. He started and played like
a pro bo esque level every year of his career.
Like this dude's thirty five years old.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I think they said he's like thirty four to thirty five.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
It's nuts, man, and he's had such an incredible career.
And to be at one place the entire time when
they were drafting a guy, they talk about the core values,
they put it together. Who's the player that it embodies.
It's Levante, David. He said, such a run many, which
is funny. I actually just put.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
That together, but I was on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
People forget Yeah, bro I broke my foot. I broke
my foot on a Oh.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
That was you.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, I broke my fan.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
I love how you guys are coming to it. I'm
still like two steps behind on that, like, oh shit,
who got hurt?

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, so I broke my foot on a Thursday or
Friday walked through before the season opener, and it was
a walk through like we had our helmets. Are like
a jog through, like an up tempo, YadA YadA. I
break on this stick route in my foot, I feel
like just blows up, like somebody takes a shotgun to it,
and I go down. And Levante starts that weekend, has
like thirteen tackles, murder somebody over the middle of the field,

(22:52):
and I come back like six or seven eight. However,
long later, it was like for Texas and job was
nowhere to be job was nowhere to be talked about
it at that point anymore, you kind of knew the
writing on the wall. But yeah, Levante just comes on
the scene because he came from Juco that year. He
was a Juco kid out of one.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah, what did he start off as a safety.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Uh, he was like a tweiner, Like he's like a
dime cat playing dime and he came in and the
and the depth chart went like myself, Sean Fisher, Sean
Fisher breaks his leg in training camp, and uh, yeah,
Blake Lawrence, Sean Fisher breaks his leg in training camp.
I break my foot. Levante is on the second field,
operating with the threes throughout training camp and then has
to get thrust it into being a starter and then

(23:32):
the rest is history. He's going off that entire year.
He's he's top five old time tackle leaders the in
Nebraska history in two years, playing two years.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Twenty seven tackles against Michigan.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
He might seem obvious.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
Without will Compton, there is no Levonte will Compton.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
There is no Levonte David once a.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Uh, it all shout out to shut somehow.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I thought you were like Charling.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
Said, I wasn't.

Speaker 6 (23:57):
I was literally scrolling on Twitter to find out the injury,
and somebody tweeted out man for any like low rank
recruit out there. Remember, nobody even knew Levonte David. It
took an injury for him to get in at Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a such an awesome story
like his. He's such a good dude. He's such a
good soul. He's kind of like an ed reed do wor.
He's just all football. He's undersized, know how to slip
every knows how to slip every block. He's played in
the middle of the defense his entire career, not as
like a safety or anything else, but as an undersized
backer and has all the same, arguably better stats than

(24:30):
like the Bobby Wagner's, the Luke Keekleys, because that was
the same type of class, Like that was the same
type of generation.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Talk about Bobby Wagner the first two series of that
game against Washington, I'm sorry against the Bucks. A menace, Yeah,
a menace. You see that when he blits up the
middle and hit that running back so hard he actually
just missed Baker Mayfield. Yeah, like that's fucking nuts.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Bobby Wagon too. You watch him, like when you're watching
him out on the field, like you're like, that's a
fucking middle line, Like that's a grown ass man.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Talk about like arms, his hands are like down to
his past. His arms are just looked oil and oiled
and glossy.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
Baker put that head down on him though.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, he did give him a little shoulders that. Yeah,
that dude, he he's got that look of a linebacker
and the cat too with them traps.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah he got that.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
He's got that traps that Mike Tyson no neck vibe, dude,
head sits a little low, yeah, in a little bit,
sits there in the off season, just bangs into a wall.
So he shrinks into the brades just to touch. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Two, it's like, uh, bucks had their chances when Baker
fumbles that ball late in the game, Bobby Wager picks
it up and they're right there in scoring position, and
then when they have that seems like a complex you
can you can, uh you can talk about this tailor.
But there was a moment to where it was like
third and inches and they're doing a hard count and

(25:52):
then he's like let it roll, let it roller. He
just says we're good, We're good, and then turbo. But
it seemed like a dummy turbo because he goes but
in the center, the young center snaps it on the
loud one. But it seemed like it was a dummy
turbo because nobody else went but everybody just killed him.
They tackled Bucky Irving, which Bucky Irvy almost breaks every
tackle in the backfield to get the first down. But

(26:13):
that was like a third inches that they needed. They
had to settle for a field goal instead of like
going in for a touchdown. But it seemed like that
was a very complicated hard count turbo dummy, turbo, stick
with the you know, stick with the run whatever play.
Like they had a double call going yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Game, it's like a late is late in the game,
fourth quarter. Yeah, I mean they're every every offense has
a play call, whether it's freeze, frost frosty like something
like that. Like there's always some sort of code word
where it's like we're gonna lamp in a formation, then
all of a sudden, we're gonna do a full cadence.
Then the tight end's gonna come off, he's gonna go
into a motion. We're gonna get a couple more huts,

(26:48):
then the guy's gonna back off, get into the f
and like they're in an I formation and then you know,
hut hut hut hut. Uh. If you're doing that many
cadences and you have a young center, I don't know
about that.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I personally see it seems like like again, you know,
it's like they had a double call. We're gonna do
a hard count. Then I'm gonna let you know if
the play still on or we're gonna check it or
alert it or do something else. Then you gotta remember
that you're on a dummy Turbo. But Turbo. You're listening
to Turbo all year long, like as an offensive lineman. Yeah,
you're just so used to such second nature.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah, Turbo unless it's called in the huddle like a
Turbo two, which would be in the second hud of
after turbo. If you hear turbo is essentially the number one, right,
like your ears perk up, knowing, okay, the snap is
the next sound is going to be the snap. It's
like it's it's making it for me personally if I like,
if I'm going to a third and one situation. And
this is also a lot of it's predicated on the
defense and how they if they like to shift if

(27:38):
it what would Abell call it when you guys would
all start a little bit wider and then you shift
down something like that.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, it was it was something like that, But that.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Was that was like a twenty twelve film from the
Patriots field goal Field. I think it was against the
Bucks too. I think it was against the Bucks, but
just depending on what people do one third and one,
and if it's a team that usually stays stationary and
you know they're gonna bring like an Ammo blitz or
two up the middle or something like that, I personally
like a like a it's called a fast break. You

(28:07):
get out of the huddle, you get set first noise
you hear, you're going the first noise. The ball is
getting snapped because you're catching the defense off guard.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
It's either you want.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
To go real late or real early. And those key
like gotta have it like short yard of situations that way,
it's like you're just trying to find whatever you can't
get up her hand because it's grown man fucking football
at that point. Yeah, And to be honest with you, boys,
a lot of times I wasn't the growness of the
men when I was going against the boy in front
of me. So I want a little bit of I
give me a little whatever little advantage I can take.
Give me a snap count that can help the boy

(28:37):
out a little bit.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, obviously that's a snap but they get an off
size penalty, it's gonna be a first down. That was
when they were down like twenty twenty to seventeen. They
ultimately had to settle for a field goal and make
it twenty twenty.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
And banking in the field goal anyways to win is crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Nuts bro a doink win. Because when it started going over,
I was like, oh my god, I.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
Thought he was gonna miss because he kept doing this
with his hair.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I say, he's missing like bad.

Speaker 8 (29:01):
And there's like his takes and so like he's like
doing that because he's like gotta get set and get
ready and.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
There's another.

Speaker 8 (29:08):
Year and also cleats, he's retying his cleats like over
and over. So I guess he has these OCD tickes.
And so imagine being a kicker with OCD and in
the game winning field goal.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
And you're just like fuck fuck like one two three, yeah,
especially because there are situations where like, what was it hurricane,
Like there's a there's this hurricane field goal. It's like
eighteen seconds on the clock, third down, no timeouts, you're
in field goal range. You've got to go kicker right away.
And there's this whole program of how to get guys
off the field, how to get guys on the field,

(29:37):
and I get the kickers as fast as possible. If
you're an OCD guy, that you have to do four
hand you two shoot, Like, yeah, you gotta go balld.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Dude. If I'm a kicker, I almost want more of
the hurricane, Like you're rushing to get on the Yeah,
you don't think about you you gotta think about it. Like,
but when the offense is trying to methodically put it
on the spot you're at and it's kind of like
that thirty forty year field goal, I'm probably thinking to myself,
these boys think this is just a gimme. I'm over
here nervous this year.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Yeah, dude, that shit when in Texas versus Asu, when
Start walked up to his boy the kicker and like
get him love. If I'm a kicker in that situation,
it's like, leave me the fuck alone. Yeah, like pretend
like I just don't even exist on this world for
a little bit and all that remember, like not remember
like freezing kickers like that would be the fucking worst. Yeah.
Calling a time out at the end of the game

(30:21):
and it goes right up the middle two and you're
just like, oh my fucking god, dude, if I could
just get that one again, kickers Man snipers more time
to think about it. Shadow, Ryan suck up, Dude did
a great for him. Shout out, Ryan suck Up. Just
a dog out there.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
How about the fucking Texans?

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, I mean dog.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Dog walking the Chargers. Chargers beat their ass for a
quarter and a half, and we're sitting there and it's
six to nothing. It's like this game should be some
one of those feelings, like as a player, it should
be fourteen or nothing right now. Like if you're the Charger,
you're like, hey, fellas, like we got to get seven
or because they're still in And then if you're the Texans,
you're getting destroyed. The ball's not bouncing your way either,
Like they had a I forget what it was, but
it just didn't go their way. But you're sitting there,

(31:00):
it's like, hey, fel's like it's only six to nothing.
Like as bad as we've played, like we're still in
this game, it's sure enough. Thirty two unanswered points later,
the Texas defense was eating.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Broke, eating Will Anderson, going off.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Daniel Hunter, Autrey, Will, Will and.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Audrey had a couple plays in a row Brother where
it's like, holy shit.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Alsha, here was tattooing folks. Then you got Stingley that's
making plays. I don't know why they're tried. They were
trying Stingley all game.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah that game that hey, Herbert, I know that game
reminded me a lot of Packers Eagles where it's like
Houston was taking advantage of the Chargers bad football, and
Eagles were taking advantage of the Packers bad football. The Houston,
Houston took more advantage than the Eagles did. But it's like, yeah,
Herbert had a bad day. He had a rough day.

(31:47):
It seemed like the play calling was a little all
over the place. It just seemed like they couldn't get
settled and like grounded in the moment of you know
where they need to be, which is weird because you
think Harball culture guy, he's gonna have his guys ready
to go. But then there's the old Herbert. He loves
a choking the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
Dirty bubble got hard. They know he's a SpongeBob fan. Yeah,
and they had his quote, you're on the sideline. You
can't call murmury man barnacle boy. He's he was captured
he was.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Got Were you watching that?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Were you watching that?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
What am I saying? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Were you watching the broadcast in Nickelodeon. Yeah, they had
SpongeBob up there like commentating with Pat pf Man Yeah,
pf Manatee and Big Catfish. Then you had like Lebron
and Kevin Hart. I forget what their their fish for Lebron, Yeah, Lebron,
James Dog. It was.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
I feel bad for the Chargers, but the Texans man,
I've been good for them.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Do they make it? Do they make it interesting? In
Kansas City? They're dangerous, they could, They're dangerous.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Hard to be hard to beat a team twice. It
is hard to beat a team twice. She's got to
get to Pat when they got the tools to get there,
they got to Chargers.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
So the playoff. Willie Parlay was dead in the first game,
just the first gone, Hey, you're forty something thousand people riding.
Your response to that too, of the captain from Titanic
walking in going down the ship maybe the best response
he could possibly have to it.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
What do we go?

Speaker 4 (33:09):
He's just so captain, Captain, sir, your life Jackets said,
just keep swapping.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, Lebron's didn't hit either. Daves was cooking there for
a second. But Cortland Sutton, they've hit four out of
five of his legs. Courtland Sutton didn't score for the Broncos.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Yeah, the I don't think the Texans can do against
the Chiefs. I think I think we're gona see Chiefs
in Nancy.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Championship at least.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Yeah, and we can start talking about you. I gotta
see Ravens bills and how those games operate. I think
it could be one sided.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
That Dame could be bum bum liked. Obviously, being like
a Chief stater, I'm bummed out that the Chiefs get
just the winner of that game versus having to play
both of them.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Yeah, yeah, because you kind of one.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean, man, if the Raven's could have just lost
one more game and maybe they slip down a seat
to where they're the ones going to Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
I saw a funny clip of you ever see like
the dog who hits the basketball on the stairs and
it kind of bounces in the basket of who's gonna
win the players? Yeah, using that whether there was one
where a guy had a marble and it was in
between like these two lines and he would roll it
and these two dominoes were different colors, and it was
based on the teams whicheveryone fell was gonna be the loser.
And every time the Chiefs one died, he like throw
a flag at it and put them back up. It

(34:15):
is It's crazy, man, It's crazy. But yeah, I think
we should get into our podcast. Yeah, I did want
to talk a little college football. See if the Matthews
brothers want to do.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
We can uh, yeah, we can either do when they're on,
we can do it after, but we Clay Matthews, call Matthews,
the Matthews brothers. They're in the shop right now. So
we're gonna go ahead and hit that interview. If we
do any more intro talk you guys who'll obviously recorded
after that podcast, but it'll be in right after this ad. Read. Yeah,
let's get the boys in.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Let's get the boys.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
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Speaker 4 (35:31):
Come on, skee Chans dialed in. You get anything at
that charity event?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
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Speaker 4 (35:40):
Yeah, it's such a fun time to go there, but
it's like we're really just there to like be there
and be with every body to that.

Speaker 9 (35:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
There, we had a sore been to Suppers a.

Speaker 9 (35:53):
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Speaker 2 (35:58):
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Speaker 4 (36:02):
Do I het your fucking assistant, and it was She's like,
all right, you need to start doing it again. It
was bad. It was bad.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
What's the serious question, what's what is the downside to
her addictions?

Speaker 4 (36:15):
There are no side effects zero, It's really just you
feel great all the time.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I think.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
So, nicotine is proven. It's neuroprotective, it's a stimulant. It
helps the multitasking. There's a lot of benefits of it.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
Do they pay you to say this.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
No, but uh, but there are like you could elevate
your blood pressure, shrink your veins, like not shrinker veins,
but like make it more difficult for blood. I don't know.
There's there's a couple of bad things, but I would
say the pros outweigh the cons. And also depends what's
in there too.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
They said about cigarettes in the fifties.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Right, exactly, they make a man exactly nice? Did you
did you guys ever chew or anything like that? Dude,
you kind of with the jacket on and the bun on,
you seem like you could have a lip in.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
The big league. You. Yeah, in there, I was, I
was mister straight edge. You never never want to taint
the body.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
We'll talk about this, but yeah, my dad would have
kicked our ass if we had done any of that.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
We could talk about it right now, Mitch, we rolling, baby,
we've been rolling. Well, we can cut everything. Don't you worry.
Don't you worry one bit. Obviously, Hey, you're in a
safe space, not a mistake. We're all good. But you
said your dad would have kicked your ass if you
were taking doing anything extra. Was it like a booze
or was it like, hey, we get past booze. Now
we got a problem.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Now. We were just from a family that was very
you know, our parents didn't drink didn't even drink wine. Naturally,
smoking is not good for you, and so I mean
it just it was just expected and coming from you know,
obviously father playing in the NFL. I mean, it was
common sense and so, I mean it was just a given.

(37:52):
You know. It wasn't like you we were sneaking around
and doing anything like that. But yeah, he probably would
have kicked our ass.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think Clay Saint and said, you speak for yourself.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yes, wowkright, go for it.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
No, I don't think are the rebel of the family.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Oh me, No, No, no, Kyle, Kyle.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
I think it's safe to say that which is which
is interesting what the dynamic within the family is now
in my role within the family. But to your question,
and to piggyback on what Clay said, I don't know
if it's a conversation my dad ever had with us, like, hey,
if you do these things like you know, you're in
big trouble. I think it's I think it's a combination

(38:31):
of to Clay's point, knowing that they weren't good for you.
My parents didn't do it so somewhat as a kid,
not often, but there's correlation, like your parents behavior and
modeling it. But I think also if I had to
look back, I don't know if I've ever done this
like in this the way I will now is like
and tell me if I'm right. We wanted to as boys,
we wanted to be our dad when we grew up.

(38:52):
My dad is like a superhero. You know, he's this
nineteen year NFL star, like good looking, jacked, great person,
and it still is. But like at the time, you know,
he's thirty, thirty five, forty and just and he didn't
do any of those things. And so subconsciously, I'm sure
there was part of that where it's like, well, if
he doesn't do it, we shouldn't do it either, if
we want to be that when we grow up again.

(39:13):
I don't know if that if that's like a specific
conversation he had with us, I can't remember that. You
just you just didn't do it, right.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Do you think the standard is the standard?

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, yeah, it's all you guys kind of knew.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
When you you guys now have kids, do you find
it like you're gonna want to have those conversations say hey,
we don't do these things or just kind of lead
by lead by example the way your father did. Because
I feel like it's much easier to say, hey, don't
do these things. And obviously you don't want you don't
want to do those things yourself either, but to have
be like it's just known can be tough. It seems
like you guys got the message loud and clear. But
for having kids, have you guys approach it any differently?

Speaker 5 (39:46):
Well? Yeah, my kids are a little older, and I
don't know if you're having those conversations with kids yet,
But like my oldest is fourteen. I got four kids,
my son Brody fourteen, daughters Kylie and Dixie who are eleven,
and seven, and then I got three year old son Murph,
and so Brody, I just I take kind of the
Trump tack. I Trump told his kids like no drugs,
no alcohol, you know, no tobacco, And I just say,

(40:06):
those are my rules. And I'm you know, I'd like
to think of myself as a principal father. You know,
I don't have a lot of rules, but the rules
I have, I feel confident to say, my kids know
where the line is and so those are those are
some of my very few rules in the house. And
so the answer to your question, I'm not I'm not
making the assumption our parents probably made with us and
luckily it turned out okay. But I'm having those conversations

(40:29):
with my children.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, I'm sure I'm gonna have to have them as well.
But my youngest, my youngest is Colton, who's five. My
daughter just turned nine, Maddie, and my oldest, Clay, the
fourth is nine, will be or she's my daughter's eight,
my son's nine, he'll be ten. It's like a Crimarti
moment right here. But Colton's great at getting Daddy the

(40:53):
yellow can in the in the mini fridge, which is uh,
you know, the pills there, so, but we'll have those
conversations new lat Can for the I PA. But we'll
we'll have those conversations later.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Dude, what when you were having being in the third,
when you were having a kid before you knew did
you want to did you want a boy? Did you
want that fourth?

Speaker 1 (41:12):
I didn't care if it was a boy or girl
at the time. And then when we had him at
a way, yeah, it was just kind of a given.
I mean, I was like, I kind of got to
keep this going. But I did kind of waiver a
little bit, thinking like I don't want to name him
the fourth, Like we're getting into English royalty over here.
That shit's still fourth. It is. But it's funny because
I had through hearsay, I think my mom had said,

(41:33):
my Dad's like, I don't want the I don't want
the name to go away, and since obviously he was junior,
so I'm like, all right, we got to name the fourth.
But that was tricky out in Green Bay because it's
not a lot of people named Clay out there, and
they treat you, you know, the celebrity out there is unbelievable.
You don't have a lot of freedom, so we had to.
We called him Bubba, that was our nickname. And he's
still between the family, he goes by Bubba, and now
that we're out and then we're in the south now,

(41:54):
so Bubba actually fits in. But he finally goes by
Clay at school now because nobody cares about me anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Always, I always, I always think it's interesting. I'm the
oldest boy and my dad didn't give me that name,
And I swear to God, if he hadn't em me Clay,
I'd be six four, two hundred and fifty pounds. I'd
be sitting in an office somewhere typing out TPS report.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, hey, along the way, did you ever did you
ever think about that, like feel some type of way
along the way like you were or your dad's junior,
and then ultimately Clay becomes a third, like I'm the
third as well, William orl the third, and I'm the oldest.
So I would I never had to think of.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
Yeah, I would say, I don't know. I've never you know,
I know a lot of juniors and thirds, maybe not
as much for it, they're always the first. I've I
haven't thought about it other than like the joke like
I'm I've convinced myself that if I got the name
like just the way that Dyna, I'd be like, you know,
I'd be an ex NFL guy with a man bun,
but like you can only get away and if he
plays sports ory, you're a Yogans.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
I used to live in Van Eye, so I can
go a different out with that man. But uh no,
So the reason why I was named is because I
guess uh ran out of names. Well no, from what
I've heard, and maybe my parents are lying to me,
is that when they had the the ultrasound back in
the day, they weren't that good, so they thought I
was a girl before I was born came out, I
was a boy, and I guess you gotta leave.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Why do they think you were a girl?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Though, Man, it's medicine, it's all good. They couldn't. I
couldn't see the easiest lay, but you have ever been
so yeah, So I guess my grandfather had called my
father and my mom and said, you know, want you
his name after me and my brother who's in between
Kyle and I here, his middle name is Clay because

(43:42):
that was going to be the you know, continuation of
that Clay name, and so now my name, my middle
name is actually Clay as well. It's William Clay Matthews.
So oh, let's go.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Taylor Curtis.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
One day I get a boy, so I can carry
on the on the name if when you're a junior,
it's so easy.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
I feel like, when you get to the third, the
fourth to fifth, you tell my royalty. I think that's awesome.
But being a junior is not the best. And you
had to have a nice name to William Earl's nice.
William Clay is great. Taylor Curtis. I don't want to
pass that down. I don't want to give that. I
don't want to give that bait ass name to my kids.
Give him something cool.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
But now I got two girls.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Dude, I'm spitting. There's a whole there's a there's a
war going on this cold. We had a team meeting
last week and at the team meeting turned into JP
and a couple of guys being like, just have a third,
just have a third. So I'm obviously gonna been the knee. Like,
I don't know how your household works. I don't run
my show. There's nothing about my house. I'm like, yeah,

(44:40):
I'm the man, not if you want to does not happen.
I will be having a third kid, don't tell.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
My wife has figured out that the only reason is
the nose because of him. So now we're trying to
try to get.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
That one true And tell you made me feel a
little bit better because you said you got I'm here
fourteen eleven, nine and three. So that big gap sits
year down.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
Said that was a COVID Like whoops.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Yeah, like hands.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
My wife's always like, oh gosh, she's always like, she's
always like, you had one job. You couldn't even do that, right?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Did you ever?

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Did you ever dabble with the idea of going to
get a little surgery?

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Yeah, I'm medically retired now, yeah you're done.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah I'm out.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
I had to go red shirted out the baby making.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
Game checks in the mail.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
One.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
But he was a little, you know, too little, too late.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
So now sometimes you play that Russian roulette.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
No, but but now we got the fourth. He's healthy,
you know, like when he turns eighteen, I'll be like, hey,
how you doing, Like what's your name? You know? No,
Murph is like, uh, you know, we get all the
kids together every almost every Saturday, and he's like the
little he's like the little pet like he's he's he's fun.
You know, you throw a ball and he goes and
gets it and then he brings it back. It's like

(45:52):
kind of a fetch thing.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Yeah, you plus plus if you having a fourteen eleven
year old, it's like you have built in babysitters.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Yeah, like no, no, not, my kids are.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Okay, we're gonna find a way around this thing.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
But but now see so it's it's leverage, right, and
so when you have, as a related to air.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Well hold on with your kids. Is now I have leverage.
I can use it. I'm gonna come across.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
No, I'm playing like with my fourteen year old. It's like, hey,
when especially as as the male with the air thing,
and you're like, when you got one, there's a lot
of leverage on his end. Now I'm like, you know,
I got an air and a spare, Like you mess up,
I got another one coming up the ranks. You know,
like I got a backup who's on a cheaper contract
and making plays like you can't sit out too many
games right now? You know, like it's called I hold

(46:39):
them accountable, right, Just know it's it's science ability availability.

Speaker 7 (46:44):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
Yeah, you know how that.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Is for the team you're against with the year old man?
What was it like growing up? So we last year
we had on we've had on Christan McCaffrey, and we
had on his dad, Ed McCaffrey, and Christian was telling
us stories how he couldn't get arm tackled growing up
or grabbed by the jersey, how you'd have to take
the jersey and everything else and if he'd get arm tackled,
he'd get grounded. Was your How was he told it?

Speaker 4 (47:04):
He told a story about his dad went into the
backyard in the woods and found an empty coke can
and came to the house it was this and they
got grounded for drink and soda at least.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Now, yeah, you you've got an interesting story because I
think you you put on didn't he have you put
on pads? And you did drills with him? Because I
I didn't have that experience.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
Yeah, here here's I answer you a question. And then
he coached you more. But I was the oldest, so
like my understanding of the McCaffrey's which is very limited,
but I heard I heard that, like those stories is.
My father was the total opposite. And I'll give you
some examples here, like I didn't play football till ninth grade, right,
and I played in all sports, but I played soccer

(47:46):
as a fall sport, and it just just is what
it is. He never once pushed football. We never watched
a single football game in our house unless my dad
was playing, and even then we may or may not
watch it depending on the broadcast schedule. Never watched a
college football game until I played in one. Never watched
an NFL game unless my dad, maybe my uncle. I

(48:07):
don't even think we watched my uncle Bruce, Yeah he
was yes. So it was the total opposite. It was
very you know, kind of what we believe old school
parenting is, like you just let kids be kids. They
figured out like no involvement, nothing. When I was going down,
when I was getting ready to play football in college,
the only conversation my father ever had with me, and

(48:30):
you might have been different, was like, hey, uh, you
know you don't have to play football because I played football.
It was like Matthew's like emoting, which is non like yeah, yeah,
yeah cool.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
That don't be too weird.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
No, we were just weird. Well, what's just happened, you know,
But we were we are at a stop by. He's like, hey, uh,
you know you don't have to play football because I played.
I go, yeah, yeah, Dad, I know that. He goes, Okay,
I just want you to know that I was whoa
like he.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
You know, I love you, right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
No.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
The only thing my dad retired when I was a
sophomore in high school. I mean, you think about that.
He played nineteen years, so like imagine your kids being
a sophomore in high school. When he retired, it was different.
And then he started coaching. Yeah, it's wild. And then
he started coaching me in high school and that was
the only involvement. By then I had chosen to play football.
He coached you a lot earlier because you were younger,

(49:27):
And the only time was heading into my senior year
in high school, they were moving me from like defensive
back down to like kind of outside rush, and I
think he thought I needed to truly probably did get
more physical. So he put pads on me and like
it was like one hundred degrees in a Gore Hills, Like,
he put pads on me, and during the summer he'd
make me go down and he would put pads on

(49:49):
and we'd have to do hitting drills. This is true,
this is this is.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Why he's still playing or just recently retired, like a
year out of the league. He's still got it.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
No, he's he's like the.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Rock grid iron games.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Yeah. Like so on one hand, he had no involvement whatsoever.
He was just like, look, I'll let my kids figure
out who they are. If they're going to be players,
are gonna be players. If they're not, they're not. But yeah,
in high school he put on helmets and shoulder pads
and like I would have to go thump them. And
I remember like, and I was not that kid who
was about like getting best, Like what am I doing

(50:21):
out here right now? Like all my friends are at
the beach and so you're thinking about TPS reports. Yeah
that would come later, Yeah, that would come later when
you know, I realized I had no options, so, you know,
but that was the only thing. I don't know. Was
he different with you?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Well, I remember him taking me to the Golds gym
in like sixth grade, and I was just such a bitch,
like I didn't want to lift, you know, he was
putting the the brown paper towel over the neck machine
and I'm like, Dad, and I couldn't even do you know,
like a like a five on each side of the
you know, the bench press. I was embarrassed and I
didn't want to and I just want to play probably

(50:57):
Halo at the time, and I didn't really want to,
and it wasn't until and my dad was like he
tried to. But you know, at the end of the day,
like Kyle said, he's like, all right, man, like you know,
you do you and you figure it out.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
And so my junior year I had a buddy still
my best friend of this day. He ended up getting
drafted by the Chicago Bears and oh wait, hurt his
back and you know, fell out of the league. But
ultimately we pushed each other. And so I was also
late to develop. So between my junior and senior year
in high school, I went through puberty and I probably
grew like four inches and put on like forty pounds.

(51:30):
So at that time I was big for where I
played football, and I was I was decent, but not
good enough to get a college scholarship. So ultimately, like
you know, as far as his uh wait.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
What is that picture of my dad and my uncle
with their shirts off, go down bottom, right. I don't
think I've ever seen that. That's that sports.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Is win.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
You find anything, But I mean, yeah, so you know,
we Yeah, he kind of just let us just develop
into our own person. And like I said, I don't
think there's a right or wrong way. Like I developed
a natural love for the game and appreciation for it, so,
you know, unlike the mcap obviously that's working well for

(52:15):
the mccaffreys, you know. So there was really no right
or wrong. But that's how he parented us, and when
he retired, he naturally jumped into coaching me as a kid.
So I've had his tutelage and coaching ever since I
was in I think third third grade, So you know,
that's why I've had I really think getting into the
league as a rookie, just having immediate success was just

(52:37):
because I grew up in that family. I knew what
was expected. I knew, you know, what was going to
come at me, money, fame, women, whatever it may be.
So I was ready to go.

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Speaker 4 (53:40):
When you talk about going not having a scholarship after
high school and then obviously you know your uncle, your dad,
like your entire family just like it's like, oh, you're
a Matthews.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
You guys ever Matthew's family Wikipedia, Yeah, exactly, you have that.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Is there anything going through your head of like I
didn't live up to the name, or I didn't I
didn't you know, exceee, I didn't meet the expectations that
I'm supposed to meet. Whether it's your family putting on
you or you personally put it on yourself.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, no, I never felt that at all. If I
got something I think about for my you know, my
son the fourth, I'm like, oh, shoot, man, you have
to live up these expectations. But I don't know if
that's how my dad felt. A lot of people ask me, oh,
you know, you're gonna play in the NFL, You're gonna
do this. I was just kind of doing my thing,
and I never felt pressure from him, much like he
told Kyle to live up to the expectation of play

(54:29):
in the NFL, playing for nineteen years and accomplishing all
that he accomplished. So mine was just natural and gradual.
But I never felt that pressure. You know. The pressure
that I felt was once I started ascending, got into
the NFL and wanted to maintain that standard and the name,
like you just said.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
Yeah, well I could comment on that. So I felt
it tremendously, like it was a it was a weight
my whole life. I don't know if it's because I
was the oldest, or I just wired differently and Clay's
better at tuning things out than I am. It was
just you got it your whole life, and I was
really we both were, but me, i'd argue even more, so,
really small undersize our whole life. We're always like the Runts,

(55:09):
and so you know, and we moved around a lot,
like oftentimes we moved back and forth, but all all told,
we moved thirty plus times, you know, because my dad
would play for the Browns. So we'd moved to Cleveland
in July August and we live in Cleveland until December Januy,
we moved back.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
To no off season at the time.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
So yeah, live in l Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
So it was a true off season, which means like
you see you later see in six months. So no
matter where I went, I would get comments like, man,
what what happened to you? You're a Matthews, Like you
must be a disappointment, Like you're why you're so undersized,
like you're the run like we all were. That I
would argue, but I, again, I don't know if I'm
wired different.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Kids and wife beaters.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you're also the first one going through.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
And I was the first one going through it, and
then part of it. Not to dismiss Clay's experience, because
that was his experience. Like he made it, right, I mean,
he made it and had a phenomenal career. Now that
wasn't always how it looked right, you know, certainly coming
out of high school and what he was able to
accomplish at as see, and the transformation physically and mentally
in his game to be a first round pick and

(56:11):
go on to have a brilliant career. I didn't and
so very much that in my humble opinion, led to
ultimately what and I'll let others define it, but like
if I've achieved success in business, I really give credit
to that drive, that motivation was. If you look at
the Matthews and again, you know, I want to be fair.

(56:34):
It's hard for me to be impartial with my family.
I love him tremendously. Like you look at the history
of the Matthews, especially on the male side, it's just
high achievement. Going back to my great grandfather, Maddie played
professional baseball and then ultimately was a boxing coach at
the Citadel. My grandfather Clay the first Clay Senior was drafted,
played for the forty nine ers. He played for the

(56:56):
forty nine ers, then went and served in the Airborne,
then went back played for the forty nine ers, got
out of the league. This is in fifty five fifty six,
because he had five kids, and you couldn't support a
family on five You couldn't support a family of five kids.
The area is right there. Handsome guy looks like me.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
And so.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
This is a trip.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Couldn't support a family of five on an NFL salary
because it wasn't. So he goes into business. Fast forward
twenty years. He's the CEO of a publicly traded company,
so highly successful.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Then you have.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
There's four males in the next generation, my dad and
my uncle who are Hall of Fame effectively Hall of
Fame player. My father longest. I think most games NFL
history as a linebacker my dad, I could be wrong.
And then most games NFL history as a o lineman, Bruce,
I'm pretty sure that's true, are still true. And then
the two other males were mentally handicapped.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
So like that.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
Where I'm getting is I'm the oldest male of the
next generation between me, Clay Bryan Casey on our side,
so four, and then how many males on Bruce six seven,
so eleven twelve, I'm the oldest. And then I played
football at SC and I get a letter, I play
some special teams. It does I realize I'm not going
to go to the NFL. Like I see I played

(58:11):
the same position at the same time as Troy Polamolo.
So I'm like, okay, that's an NFL guy.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Competition.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
Yeah, I mean he's okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Watching him kill that dude on that special thing is playing.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
I was there.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
I was I was there on the sideline. No, but
but I I very quickly I said, okay, that's an
NFL guy.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
That's not me.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
And so I go into the I go into commercial
really say the work, the workplace, and I'm sitting there
my first day at work, like sitting in a cube
like kind of what all athletes you know have dread, Like,
oh no, that nine to five, so to speak. It's
it's not that bad. It just very much, you know,
think of a visual representation. I said, well, I'm not
going to be the first average Matthews Like, okay, it's

(58:52):
not going to be the NFL. If it's going to
be this real estate thing, I'm going to do whatever
it takes to be the greatest of all time because
I'm not going to be the first in my line
to be an average and to not leave a mark
for whatever that's worth. And you could say, oh, expectations,
that's not fair, that's silly. That's true, Like that's what
drove me and fast forward, you know, ostensibly twenty years

(59:13):
to the position I'm in in my industry. Expectations was
and to this day is the primary driver outside the
ones we all have, which is supporting our family and
well creation, wealth and things like that. So it was huge,
huge for me, and to this day is I don't
want to let down that legacy. And I'm sure people
listening is like, well, that's stupid. That's what I felt, right.

(59:35):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense. How long
did it take you to kind of feel like at
peace with the end? Not make it to the NFL
going into more of a traditional job because I think
a lot of people that listen to the show, we
have a lot of x NFL players on, we don't
have a lot of people that are you know, just
played college and then we're highly successful in the real
estate world. So more people than not have to make

(59:56):
that transition earlier than people that are usually on the
show that it probably won't don't know like how like
how long did it take you to come to peace
with like one to the next chapter?

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
Yeah, that's a great question.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
It took a minute to get that one out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
But well, here's what he had such a good job
articulating the entire journey. Question.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Yeah, here's here's what you can.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Tell he's in the CDs. You know why.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Yeah, here's here's what.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
I want to make sure I answer your question because
there's like a couple of things to impact there. So
the first I want to say that I have had
time to think about this, and I am convinced that
it was a blessing for me never really to get
traction as a player into college in the NFL. I
I and I have I've seen this firsthand, both within
my family and outside my family, that I actually think

(01:00:43):
it's harder if you play in the league four or
five years. It's like a tease, like you actually taste
and touch it and you get you get paid, whether
it's the minimum three ninety five. I don't know if
that's still it or you get paid three million bucks
a year to do that for four or five years
and you do get some wealth and then for the
career not to work out and you're thirty and you say, okay,
what do I do now? And then you start in

(01:01:03):
a career. Let's just say just like mine, and let's
say you're starting salaries fifty five grand. You're like fifty
five grand like I made that per quarter, right, And
it's such it's such a mind buck, right, It's it's
not it's really hard. I never had to overcome that,
and so I'm sensitive and I have empathy for the
athletes who actually did play. They didn't play long enough.

(01:01:25):
If I may to not, at least financially ever have
to work again, Whether you should or shouldn't, that's that's opinion.
But like to where financially you know, you probably don't
need to worry about money. A lot of athletes they
play a little bit and then it's taken away. So
again I want to make sure I answer your question.
I think it was easier for me, and it wasn't easy,
but it was easier for me because I never even
I never even tasted that or touched it or experienced that.

(01:01:47):
So I went straight from you know, kind of a
special teamer in college to like the workforce. And so
the answer to your question is it it's it's very hard,
and it it gets easier over time, but you never
truly get over it. And I don't know. I don't
know if if a guy who played fifteen years and

(01:02:09):
never has to work again and made all pro and
is in the Hall of Fame ever gets over it.
You see it every day. I don't know if any
of you guys will ever get over it. It's so hard,
you know, to have that life when you're twenty seven,
and then fast forward to forty seven, and you know,
people care less and you make less. So it just
it was really hard. Early on, I'm sitting in that cube,
I'm working at the time. I usually get in the

(01:02:29):
office at five forty five to six, and I worked
till eight thirty nine at night, like five days a
week plus Saturdays. And all of my teammates, my close
friends from SC like I would say all a lot
of them are playing in the league, especially at that
time with Pete Carroll and g I ay say it
was early two thousands early two thousands, and he came
in right after there was a ten year run where
like in any given year, you know, ten fifteen year
teammates were going to the league, and everyone going there

(01:02:51):
was like I'm going to the NFL. Whether that happened
or not, obviously, you know, not everybody made it. But
you know guys that I played with, Sean Cody, a Loofuz,
Super obviously, Lionert Bush, all those guys like they're playing
and they're moving on, and I'm you know, sitting in
a much less glamorous light, you know, wearing a suit
and tie and and uh, you just everybody handles it differently.

(01:03:13):
I just again getting back to partly the not letting
the Matthew saying. Now, I said, I'm just not gonna
I'm just not gonna let these guys have these big
lives and I'm not. And if it's real estate, I
don't know how. I don't know how I'm gonna do it,
but I'm gonna figure it out. Like I'm not going
to be the only unsuccessful teammate. I'm not going to
have my teammate say hey, we're gonna go here and

(01:03:34):
say sorry, I can't do that or I can't afford that.
And again one of my big driver was the family legacy,
but one of many drivers you have or you hope
you have when you're when you're getting getting out of sports.
Did I answer your question?

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we knocked it out of the park.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
It's kind of that if you can tell you understood
this about Kyberfest is kind of the first time you're
hearing all of it, and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Like, well, as far as the legacy is concerned, that's
definitely new to me. And it doesn't sup though, and
it doesn't the reason why he's had a success, But
as to where that motivator comes from, you know, I mean,
I think that's I'm not gonna say a surprise, but
it's interesting to hear because obviously it's Matthews. We talk
about how we're emotional but not a motive. So to

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have these conversations, you know, you're like, oh, okay, it's
usually when it's a little a little late, but yeah,
to your point about you know, like us kind of yeah,
I don't think any of us we have to be
at peace with when our career comes to end, because
I don't think any of us wanted to give it up. No,
highest paid probably at one point. I know I was

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Pro Bowls, All Pros ten years. Yeah, argue, I'm a
little round up for you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
If you include Dynasty Mode in Madden.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Yeah. Well, and you know, so you have to be
at peace with that. You have to, you know, because
it's it's you can't sit here because obviously I still
felt like I have I had some tread on the
tires when the Rams let me go in two thousand
and nine team, but you still feel like you got tread. Well,
I do have tread, It's just you know, it's more
around my stomach right now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
So's but you do look like you could, Yeah, if
the playoff team needed you right now, right plus the jacket.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
The packers said they we're looking for someone, but we
saw that ended.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
But no one really ever gets over it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
No one ever gets over it. But you're right, you
got to have you have to have some sort of peace.
You have like you you have gratitude. Other than being
like I wish I could have done X, Y and Z,
you have to look back and be like, man, I'm
so lucky I got to do whatever it is, whether
it was for a couple of years, or if you're
a Hall of Fame type.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Guy, this is hard. It's hard to think like that too.
It is usually a forced out of the league for
whatever reason. Injuries, new GM, new head coach, team sucks,
you know, whatever it may be. So it's always somebody
else's fault. You got to look in the mirror too
and be like, whoever's fault to us? You got to
let it go and you know, be at peace. So
and you know, obviously you're still working. But for me,
I learned that from my father, you know, as soon

(01:05:55):
as he retired. It's just he would always say he's
at peace. So I'm like, all right, well.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Time to do it. Well he's at a piece. Then
he's ever been at peace.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Even if you're the greatest and that ego is still there,
it's only gonna take what probably a decade for a
generation to start kind of forgetting. Then you're like, do
these guys forgot what I did? If you're so tied
to that identity of being the best of all time?

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
Yeah, And I think your mind plays tricks on you,
like this will sound stupid. I to this day, I'm
forty two. I never even played in the NFL, and
I'll watch a game be like I think I can
play like today, like if I if I'm really trained,
like and that's a joke, but I guarantee you and
all the athletes like you're like if I just wake
up tomorrow and I get like, I think I could
get back to it, and then you work out hard

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for like two days, You're like, let.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Me stop you there. I've been we go to a
lot of games during the fall, and I'll watch warm
ups and I'm just like, how the fuck do people
do this? The more you're removed, like the callous leaves
and you're just like, you know, I get up and
I'm like I grab I see guys like block a
little bit. I grab my knee.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
I'm like, I don't know's it's It's a hard sport
on everybody, but big guys, it's really hard.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
If you watch the playoffs yesterday, you see Jayden Daniels
take that hit on the sidelines, It's like, what are
we doing on here?

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Boys? I watched my kids like jump off the coffee table.
I'm like looking at his knees.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Mine my kids like bump their like or whatever. I'll
kind of like a seven.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Yeah, when I was in Chicago on Friday, they played
pickup basketball in the afternoon, and I shoot you, now,
bro Ran, I've been down the court three times and
my chest for the rest of the day, I'm like
hawking Logan's yeh. I'm like, man, yeah, it's It's not
that I thought it was never over, but it's for sure.
Even waking up this morning, like, I still have some
inflammation on my knees just from playing pickup BASKETBA.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
That's what makes it so impressive about some guys who
took a year off and you never really see success
other than Trent Williams. Trent Williams the only guy I've
ever seen take a year off come back and be
the same, if not better than they were before.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Yeah, he's built different that Sorry to cut you off.
That's what I felt when I was let go from
the Rams. It was March of COVID Denver in Seattle
called and they called it you know, a week one
of that next I guess the twenty twenty season, and
I had let myself, Like you said that callous, I
removed myself just a little bit, and deep down I

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started well, I started filling in where I wasn't in
the kids' lives, you know, getting to school, picking them up, homework,
whatever it may be. And I felt myself gravitating towards
that role and slipping whatever you'd like to call it,
pushing football further away to where they would call and
you're just like, ah, man, this ain't so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
On the other side, yeah, the manuy, you get a
couple of weekends to yourself and you see your team,
Like I remember when it was the year I went
to Oakland, but my year before that, I was with
the Titans, and the Titans started off that's when that
was the whole AFC championship. You started off like losing
four in a row maybe, or you guys were two
and four. But I'm sitting there, I'm like, thank god,
I don't got to go in tomorrow because the just

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the bubble that you're in football wise, Like, thank god,
I'm not about to get it viscerated by Rabel and
a team meeting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
But I thought you were coming back though, with Braves
going over to New England.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I might be there's a couple of calls, a couple
of conversations, maybe just the chemistry guy, locker room guy,
just a strictly vibes guy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
Yeah, stretches job, that stretches job. Take the track.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
Yeah that guy Glenny Balls eats ice cream.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Yeah, you're that just sitting in the corner of the meeting. Yeah,
eat some food, taking his jokes extra hard. Yeah, you're
the funniest man. Yeah. He's at the team meaning you
get off under the desk, go ahead, coach.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
He's just like you just totally nailed, Like awesome, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
No one can touch you, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, the fluffer. What was it like, Clay for you?
Like I was reading somewhere where you would have liked
to have finished in Green Bay, like the legacy that
you had in Green Bay. What was it like for
you going to the rams and you were just kind
of talking about the Denver in Seattle and your kind
of feeling you're kind of out of it, like coming
to coming to terms with your career.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Yeah. Well, I was disappointed in how my time in
Green Bay ended. So my contract was up after the
twenty eighteen season. I played, you know, I played out
two contracts and we we had a defensive coordinator. In
my first nine years, I was rolling. My tenth year,
we had a new decordinate out of career low in sacks.
But I knew I could still play, you know as
well everybody says that, but I'm like, I know I

(01:10:10):
can still play. I know it and get to the
quarterback him. Obviously they decided to go in a different direction.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Would you play an inside a little bit more?

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yeah, thats what I was the two thousand and fifteen
twenty sixteen season. Uh, and they obviously held that against
me when they say your sack numbers are down, I
was like, well, I just made two Pro Bowls and
I'll pro it inside linebacker.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
But of course, just bullshit, you had like sixty tackles
as an inside.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Yeah, grow did you see my impact?

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Twenty fourteen were line back on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Swinging at the air that you have, not that we
were saying. We argued that we should have got in there.
But how did this dude Clay Matthews just off his
name again?

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
Maybe if you grow your hair out, it takes discipline.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
A Yeah, twenty fourteen were the thirty first ranked run defense.
That was the year we choked to Seattle on the playoffs,
and then the second half of that season top five
when I moved inside.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Okay, argue against Yeah, yeah, stand up, you're right Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
I still got the ego.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
I still got the ego, but the impact I made it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
He hasn't memorized that anything.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
I just know it. So they let me go, and
are they let me? You know, Hey, we appreciate all
you've done here. That's now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Are they communicating with you a lot?

Speaker 9 (01:11:20):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
That's That's what I was disappointed with is you know,
they had insinuated that they were going to bring me
back or at least, hey, you go out, you know,
field some offers, we'd like to match it. And then
I find out on Twitter they signed Preston and Zadarius
Smith and I'm like, oh, well, you know, and so
they call, you know, a couple of minutes later, appreciate
everything you've done, you know, yeah, we'll see you down there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
How enraged were you with that phone call? I?

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
I was kind of shook, you know, because I didn't
expect that. You know, we my wife, no, we were
all staying back there in the off season because there
was some uncertainty. We had our third child out there,
and I thought I'd for sure be coming back, and
so that that was you know, I just It was
in all a little bit and I think a lot
of people, a lot of fans thought that I chose
to leave to go to LA being an LA kid

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and whatnot. But the reality was, you know, at that point,
and we're also four or five six days in the
free agency. So these coaches, these teams like, oh man,
I didn't know you know. They we thought you were
going to resign there. And so the Rams and the
Ravens were the two teams that reached out. And I
talked to Eric Weddle, he was with the Ravens, signed
with the Rams, and Rams were coming off the Super

(01:12:29):
Bowl from LA. Baltimore was offering a little bit more
money and they just came off a season with Lamar
had just been drafted. Let's just say they were eight
and eight. I'm like, oh man, this guy's not gonna
be any good. They're not eight. Jared goff In the ramsay, yeah, McVeigh.
So I opted to go to LA. We didn't even
make the playoffs. They cut me loose. After year, Baltimore

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went fourteen and two. They had like twelve Pro Bowl starters.
I'm like, yeah, MVC, I'm like, man, I'm talking about
a bad decision. But I really though twenty eleven we
went far teen and one in Green Bay. In twenty
nineteen my year in LA were two of my favorite years,
So I can't speak disparagingly on the RAMS. I really
enjoyed my time there and playing with Aaron Donald, who

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freed up so much for me. I mean, it was
the first time since my rookie year that I wasn't
double teamed anymore. And speaking of those stats, I was
top five and like rush win percentage with like Bosa
and TJ. Watton and year eleven. So but yeah, I mean,
I don't know here was that twenty nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Yeah, we didn't play because you would have gone against
handled probably.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Unless it was the first six games, no nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Oh yeah, the first six games PERSONA four.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
Yeah, we spend it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Yeah we we We played you once, although I didn't play.
I was injured at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
You guys just hey, when you were injured, I was like,
thank god.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
You see you see the starters out, You're like game,
especially when you got kicked out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
He got kicked out. Ltroit guy on came across the line,
he knocked over Mary.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Oh yeah, we did a hard count. He he jumped
and he pushed Marcus down. You were not having that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Well, they the reps, weren't having you when they kicked
you out of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
That I will say I was in. I was in
for four place and I was a part of still
sixty percent of Demarcolm Murraysey roast Yard. It's not a
big deal, but uh, I got objected from that game
because I'm looking at whoever that guy is and the
ref had his hand on my chest.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
But the rest risk that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
You just like moved a hind and I'm like, he's like,
you're gone. You're out here, buddy. There is not a
lonelier feeling they're in that locker room. I had my
pants on that halftime still when they came in, and
I'm like in the corner, kind of like will would
be in Rape's meeting room if you went to the
past and they lost, like just kind of scared.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Wow, shot, right, That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
But that was Yeah, thank god we won that game.
Thank god. I thought we were gonna get killed that game.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
I forget what happened. I think we we just didn't play.
What year was that, sixteen? Yeah, sixteen sixteen sixteen sixteen, Yeah,
ye to your own fans or to us.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
It was more of the refs, But it was just
a nice photo of me with one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
What did you what was the Did you get a
fine for just getting injected or did you get to it?

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
I got a thirty thousand dollars fine for being injected,
and I think it got rescinded though, because they're like, yeah,
they shouldn't have ejected.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
You by the scaling and you got the victory, and
you did. It's just like fifteen games season to start.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Yes, I got a lot of street cred, but I
already had that going on.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
That's the reason it was like my that was my year.
I came on the scene a little bit. That's when
I had like my first Pro Bowl. Things were going
really well. We ended up going nine and seven after
going two and fourteen and three and thirteen, so that's
when they really started to go from me. A little
bit short lived, but it was still a nice couple
of years.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
I love how recently was their pods. There's like a
new story that we get to hear about with you,
which I mean just oh, yeah, you got injected. I
haven't heard that one you haven't heard. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
The other good one was we it was preseason game.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
I was going to bring this up.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
This is my this is my welcome to the NFL moment.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
No, no, no, you can you tell that one. This
was a this was preseason, like several years later from
your rookie year. Maybe it's week three, week four.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
We're in We're in lambre Bay.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Yeah, Lambeau and I still am good friends with. Of
course I'm blanking on his name right now. Kyler Kyler
fact Team, Kyler Kyler factro. He actually had eleven sacks
in twenty eighteen. But anyways, you were you you guys
were going at it in the first and he's an
LDS member, good old boy, you know more man, and
you were just laying into him. He comes to sideline,

(01:16:20):
he's like, he's telling me to go fuck myself. Like
I was like, let's put that guy man, go get on,
trying to coach him up, like just running down his face.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
Pre season game. You had a you had a bucket
hat on a bunch of season out there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Don't you only bully you around?

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
Yeah, there is nothing more enjoyable than a fourth preseason
game just sitting with the boys do. Would they make
you wears sholder pets they worshoulder pats.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Yeah, they would, they would. Some some would take it,
like Charles Woodson would take it off but you know
later right exactly. But I had to keep it on.
But yeah, that that was funny the story you told
me when yeah, talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
We met at uh Thomas's charity event or his wife's
Love One charity event, and I was I literally like like, hey,
Clay Matthews here and I kind of like ran over
there like a little fan. We'd like talk for thirty minutes.
It was that little brodown and uh yeah, my rookie year.
It was like the third preseason game and I was
I was not a starter. Was Michael Roose as the starter?
But I was in in that bullshit? Uh not the

(01:17:20):
tight end but the wing. Not No, I'm sorry. I
was the tight end on field goal, which is the
worst position you can possibly be on ever in the
history of football. You just take three dudes to the
face constantly. But preseason I'm thinking I'm gonna be all right,
You're lined up on Michael Roose and like kind of
on his shoulder. Yeah, ruses down there ten year videos,
Hey Clay go easy, and he just seees get the rookie,

(01:17:42):
and you really just watched Clay in a four point
stance shift over and I'm like, hey, what's going on here?
Ball snap dude takes me and there's not like a
couple guys on me. This is just Clay drives my
ass in the ground, doesn't doesn't say a word either,
and jogs off and I'm kind of like helt myself up,
Like damn motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
I actually felt was like, no, not at the time,
I wasn't. I was like, I'm sorry for that, but
you know, you got to think like you probably just scored.
I actually so I went home on man, I don't
remember that, but I remember it was pouring rain.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
It was, yeah, it was. I love that it affected
you enough because I kind of went home and I
told my life. I was like, I hope he feels
bad about it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I went home and I was like, I just didn't remember.
I was like, I sprite. We put a preseason again.
That's when Julius came out there to to Green Bay
and I'm like, I must have scored and I just
took it out on him.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
But no, it was Michael, it wasn't It.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Was always actually rus because.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
I remember like seeing you and I'm there thing to
myself that those fucking forms are massive and they were
just vascular, and then all of a sudden the forums
got closer to me. And by the way, a lot
of hair on your arms, because I remember it vividly,
and you just took my.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Ass out, all right, well and put put me in
there working through this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Actually yeah, yeah, well I'm sorry for that. I apologize,
but in a way, it kind of it kind of
built you up a little bit, you know. Twenty sixteen
was the year we have.

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Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Let's go back to USC. Yeah, you being a walk
on always blows my mind. I think it blows everybody's
mind that you were a walk on. When did did
you ever you earned a scholarship?

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
You never?

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
I never.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
In fact, I lied when I got to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Your first round pick, and you never earned scholars I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Didn't get one scholarship.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
So when I went to you, oh, Pete Carroll his
junior year, you were put on scholarship.

Speaker 7 (01:20:25):
Is that what you know?

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
He's asking me? Going it going to s I'm sorry,
are you asking out of high school?

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Was I like? Yeah, I knew you were a walk
on a high school.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Yeah, did you ever earn your scholar clarifying idea, Yes,
my red shirt my third year, my red shirt sophomore
year earn a scholarship. So I apologize, you're good about
to Yeah, I was just gonna get into it, but yeah,
I felt like I deserved one. After so, they they
have this you know, your g P A, I think
your team GP. I don't know if this is still

(01:20:54):
you know, with the nil and whatnot, has to be
a certain you know what a threshold. And so every
year they give scholarship to like fifth year walk on
to bring up the GPA of the teams. Mostly well,
you know, there would be like there's just be some guys.
And I felt like after my first year, I felt
like I deserved a scholarship. It was kind of crazy
to think, but I felt like I earned it as

(01:21:15):
a post to the other guys were getting.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
It in the fashion of the way you performed on
the team.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Well, I was red shirted, but going into that next year,
I was on kickoff and I think punt, so I
just felt like I had, you know, but I didn't
say anything. And then the next year, you know, they
kind of gave me one of the opening.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
So your third year, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
That'd be my restures sophomore year, reh fresher year. I
was just trying to keep my head above water. I
was I was like the scout team running back where
guys were tackling me. I was the pulling guard for
dns who were trying to spill it. I was like,
this is this, hold up?

Speaker 7 (01:21:50):
Hold up?

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
When I got to sc we had three practices today.
These are three days, all right, And then heading into
like this was freshman soft more and it was really tough.
And then there were a couple of athletes who passed
away that summer off season workouts. It was a guy
at Florida State. Then there was maybe an alignment and
the bikingkes and so the n CUAA switched, you know,

(01:22:14):
changer with they regulated practice where you can't have more
than two practices a day, like two days in a row,
all right. So it started to get easier. But when
I got in his brutal this guy comes in right
after me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Get this.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
So he's he's gonna be a red shirt, is what
it is like. You know, he's a walk on, he's
gonna be camp fodder. You know, he gets down there
for like the first practice. Then they rule him ineligible
or something. He skipped the entire red shirt camp.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Yeah what happened. Now, it was a clearinghouse. So I
had good grades, but some paperwork didn't get submitted because.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
I was actually have good grades.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Yeah, so yeah, I got, I got. They sent me
home after a week, and like I said, that first
week was rutal because you know, you're like the man
in high school no matter where you went, and uh, man,
I just remember coming home telling my parents like I
wanted to quit. I was like, I want to be
closer at home, go to U C. L A and
all this stuff. And fortunately I didn't go back till

(01:23:11):
after Reggie. Uh we beat Virginia Tech and he that
was his heisman year two thousand and four when we
won the national championship. But I didn't go back to
week one of practice. So that honestly saved me because
I was, man.

Speaker 5 (01:23:23):
I was, I'm sitting there sitting in my cube, like
what he does have to practice the whole camp. I'm like, man,
how does this guy get away with it?

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
A walk on, walk on freshman, They try to break you,
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:23:35):
Yeah, summer you did summer workouts still, yeah, I I
you started coming.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Down, yeah, you know, but I didn't have to. No, Yes,
I did do summer. I think I did summer. But
fall camp was like, you know, and especially understand which
I'm sure as you know, being a you know, high
were you highly recruited at high school?

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
And I mean I know I had like a crazy
come up my senior year, but I a scholarships American.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Yeah, so yeah, to football. Well, but it's very it's
very clique, as you know, and so if you're a
walk on, and there's a negative connotation of walk on,
so you're kind of putting this bubble with the frat
boys and whatnot. But I was, I was getting at earlier.
I lied to some of these guys, like what scholarships
did you have? I picked the worst teams in the patch.
I was like Arizona, Arizona State. I threw an Idaho,

(01:24:19):
you know. I was like, no one's gonna check it.
So I kind of, you know, I fit in there.
But then uh, yeah, you're in the top right at
Young Troy, right there in the front left, the.

Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
Holy White Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
It's a good feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Yeah, but I forgot. I'm on a tangent right now.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
You tell you're telling all the guys about the scholarships
you had. You picked the worst teams.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Yeah, so no would check me and and I wouldn't.
I feel better about myself. So that's that. But yeah,
I didn't get any scholarhip co of high school, but
I did obviously earn one when I was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Just to throw this out there, and Cayle, you can
help fact check me if I'm wrong here. But you
thought you deserved a scholarship after your red shirt you
sorryn't even go to red shirt training camp.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
No, not my red shirt my second year. I I apologize,
all right, Yeah, we've got it all.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah, what kind of stories like you played with Leonar
and Bush, like you hear all this stuff. He got
his heisman taken away for the things that would happen
heads a Kardashian. Yeah, under Pete Carroll's regime, he goes
off to Seattle. Do you have any stories? Yeah, man
about the l A.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
You know, like you guys, that's when like USC was
truly going legitimate celebrities like you were celebrities to the celebrities.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Yeah, you go on rivals dot Com and you see
them in their gray T shirt cut off T shirts
working out, and you be that's the place. You see
that red that red wooden fence behind her. There were
there were three schools.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
I want to go to. USC was one of them.
Just that was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Was that real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
Oh nine would have been my freshman year. Oh nine.
And as Pete was still there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Well, I know Tyron Smith was still there, but he
might have been like a junior or he.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Got drafted on twenty eleven, twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
I think I remember my senior year like these tackles
it was Khalil Khalil, uh Matt Khalil, and they were
so skinny and sunny. I'd come back and they're like
first round draft picks. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
There was one guy I can't remember who's in my class.
He was like the number five tackle. It was like,
I can't he he had a family like his dad
also put at USC. But I was like the I
was two fifty five. I was the way I am
right now. My senior of high school, like trying to
get scholarships on potential. This kid was like three ten already, Like,
you know, this kid looks like he can play in
the league. I can't remember his name. I had a

(01:26:29):
huge vendetta against him my entire college career, as you should.
Yeah till you keep the chip on the shoulder. Yeah,
well big one or two guys.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
Yeah, you know, and you just you create narratives in
your head, you know, yeah, whatever you got to do
to get yourself up in the morning. So you know,
we I think you probably like me. We get this
question on what was it like, you know, la celebrities
paying players, Like I hate to disappoint at least my experience,
and I can't say I was you know, I was

(01:26:57):
boys with all those guys, like I can't necessarily say
I was running in the Hollywood circuit with Liner and
Reggie like that wasn't necessarily my vibes at the time
or ever, but uh it was. It was really a
credit to Pete carroll Man and a lot of the
company I run today. I founded almost a decade ago
and run I unbeknownst to me at the time, Like
I got to see a highly successful high performance organization run,

(01:27:21):
in my opinion, as good as it possibly can. Where
Pete created this insane level competition like iron sharpens iron,
full speed ones versus ones, every day in practice. But
then he did it in a way that was so
loose and so fun, lots of pranks, lots of celebrities
and just the master and and so that's really you know,
you juxtaposed that versus a Nick Saban, and both are

(01:27:43):
insanely successful. They're very different, though, and Pete style, in
my opinion, you know, so many people tried to replicate it,
just not to the degree it was. It was a
lot of fun, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
He was very.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
Transparent about competition. I'll tell you, I'll give you a story.
So I'm sitting there, I'm sitting behind pull A Malu
for three years and then heading into my senior year.
The way I saw it, we had the strong safety
pretty much settled, and I was a safety and the
safeties were interchangeable, so the other safety was open, and
you know, looking at the depth chart, like humbly speaking,
I felt good about my opportunity to potentially earn that spot.

(01:28:18):
And then but they signed a five star freshman, a
long Beach poly Darnell Being who'd go on to have
a great career and became a good buddy of mine.
But you know, I didn't know Darnell personally. When they
signed him, I'm like, oh crap, Like, here we go.
So it's before spring, before the first practice you meet
as a team. You're in the big team meeting room
and Pete goes, hey, guys, okay, this spring we got
to get after it. Were just coming off you know,

(01:28:40):
a big BCS win like and he goes, but I
want you to understand the opportunity you, guys, as existing
players have, is the spring is your showcase because in
the fall, we're bringing the number one class in. They
had just signed it because signing days like February. Now
it's March springball. He goes, we're bringing the number one
class in and we are going to give them the
reps and give them the opportunity to beat you out.

(01:29:01):
And so you need to take this time seriously because
you're not gonna have as big of an opportunity in
the fall. And just to drive home the point, you're
gonna sit here and for the next hour, we're gonna
put their highlights on film and you have to sit
here and watch all of your all of the five
star recruits are bringing in you guys, I am bringing
them in to take your job, and you're gonna sit
here and you're gonna watch their highchool highlights. So we
had to sit there for an.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Hour tight in that meeting room.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
Oh my yeah god.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
So we had to sit there and you know, it's like, okay,
running backs. It was coming in Reggie Lendale. We had
a guy Chauncey Washington. It was really good running bay
you know, tight ends o lineman. And then it gets
the safety like it said, five star, number one in
the country, rivals number one in the country, this darnel
being long Beach Polly and I just sit there for like,
you know, five to six minutes and watch you guys highlights,
and I'm just sitting there like fuck this motherfucker, like

(01:29:48):
you yeah, fuck like because that like when you're in
that like alpha dog, hyper masculine society that is college
football or any football, Like it's it's kind of like
a fighter's mentality. I'm gonna kill this guy, and like
that's that's what he was doing. It was all Pete
was so good at the psychological part. And so you
know the answer to your question really is like I can't.

(01:30:09):
I don't have any As far as I know, there
weren't like alumni handing out money or anything, at least
not to me, not to you like but but but
it was the way Pete ran the program. It was
so intense, it was so high speed, full speed one verse.
Once he would he would like proactively tell you you
are competing with him, And yet he did it in
a way that there wasn't there wasn't open ANIMOSITI. I

(01:30:32):
never looked at Darnell or Troy like I hate you know,
those are my those are my guys. Those were my boys,
you know, and I and I do the best I
can to take that and apply it to the company
I get to run.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
You could talk about you know, celebrities and what not
coming out like I think, you know, Kyle graduated right
when they were peaking, and you know, the celebrity was
coming in, so like Snoop Dogg would come in and
drop it like it's how we had a guy freestyle
with him in the front, Will Ferrell come in as
Ricky Bobby. You know, we had all these guys coming
in on the sideline and and whatnot. It kept a

(01:31:02):
loose environment, but you know, kind of like Kyle alluded
to it also that what he demanded from us as well.
He made it very clear and some of my fondest
memories are are just the stretching lines. You know, We'd
have Ken Norton and Lane Kiffin and they'd be arguing
at each other and and Sarkisian was there, mss why

(01:31:27):
Ed Ozeron was there? But that you know, uh Ken Norton, Ken,
because it wasn't just the players. Ken Norton would be saying, Laine,
only reason why you got a job is because your daddy.
And then Lane would be yelling back, your daddy got
knocked out by Ali and he said, my daddy, my
daddy broke all these and it was like but and
then we went straight into nine on seven, straight in

(01:31:49):
the nine on seven. But like, like I said, there
was no animosity. You know, It's like you could tell
there was that friction, but it was there was It
was always competition. That's every meet and every it was
all about competition.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
And Pete while he was a player's coaching that he
is fun like, he was a killer man. He was
a businessman and like and if you got in the
way of his program, guys would disappear man like, they
would get out. I remember because back then there was
no transfer portals, nothing, and again, this is my opinion.
I can't prove this is like when Pete came in
because I actually my freshman year I was with Paul
Hackett and then Pete came in and all of a sudden,

(01:32:23):
like guys started disappearing off the roster. He would go
to him and say, hey, listen, and this is what
I heard. So I'm just is like, hey, you're never
going to play here, and so you could do one
or two things. You can transfer out, we'll sign your
papers like see you later year off. Right, Well, if
you transferred, you had to take give or what he
did was he went to guys like, hey, you had
of shoulder injury, out of knee injury, like you're recovering,

(01:32:44):
will medical you, but will like walk you into the
grad school program. Like cause like he came in, He's like,
how do I turn this roster around? And I can't
wait to do it. Fifteen to twenty scholarships at a
time and my first year thirty five forty guys like
got cycled through the program at a time that it
wasn't as liquid as it is today, like where guys
can just come in and out. I mean nowadays, coach
are going like, hey, you should transfer because we're not

(01:33:06):
going to play you and go somewhere else. So he's
he's a killer and you respect that. But he did
it in a way that just, you know, really some
of the fondest memories of my life. Like what I
don't know, I'd be interested to ask you guys at question,
like what do you miss more like playing football or
the locker room?

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
Was I missed the locker room? That's what I really miss.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
The locker room is commercials.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Yeah, I see Peyton Manning's autograph. There was before J. J. Watt.
It was me on the defensive side.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
Yeah, the uh you brought? You bring up Pete Carroll
how like Stern he was in hardcore he was, but
how he made it fun like he seemed like a
guy that he like made the like the basketball hoop
in the team meeting room made that famous. Like what
were some of the things he did to keep it
Like because my short time I got to me, I
went to a junior camp at USC and it was
like I saw him in the first time I met him.
He gives me a hug and I'm like, this guy's

(01:33:58):
the fuck. He just had that energy.

Speaker 5 (01:34:00):
He's just built different. He has energy that I don't have,
and like he just I think he was born that way.
That is not an act, Like he is a high
energy positivity guy. I'll I'll give you some examples, and
maybe it changed by the time Clay got there. Like
you know, it's the middle of camp and you're you know,
you're what are the twenty eight days in camp and
it's day eighteen, Like you're just in the shit, right

(01:34:20):
and your your body's banged up and you're going hard,
and Pete's like, hey, like, you know, for practice in
the morning, practice in the afternoon. So at the end
of the first practice he I don't know if he
manufacturing really felt like this, but it was supposed to
be full pads in the morning, like shells in the afternoon,
so full pads, and you know, at the end of practice,
he's like that was a bullshit pro don't like the energy.

(01:34:42):
This is bs like just ripping us, you know which, again,
that wasn't normally his go to sow. He did it
more than probably the normal fans would think, but like
it was like and maybe we were dragon asks, so
we get He's like, you know what, because we're going
full pads this afternoon, hitting drills, tackling, live everything. We're like,
oh no, and so he brings us out. In the

(01:35:03):
second practice, we start doing the stretch lines and he
like calls us up and he goes, guys like I
need to be able to trust you, and I'm paraphrasing
I need to be able to trust you, Like I
was not happy with this. So I'm gonna give you
an option. Either we go hard and like do this
the right way, or we get on some fucking busses
and go to the beach. And there are busses lined
out right outside practice, and we all get on the

(01:35:24):
bus in our full pads and go to Manhattan Beach
and go to the beach.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
That day like yeah, movies, We go watch the beach
volleyball man and just stuff in the meeting room too.
I can't remember why, but we always were shooting water
up in there, guys taking their shirts off, swinging them around.
I don't know why, but like we just that was
it every meeting. Hey, they always call people up to
make fun of other people, like what you do with raves,
Like I always they called me up. All that's because

(01:35:47):
I was just the walk on it the time, like
nobody and then you know, like they would call people
up to make fun of others. They do one on
ones watching people get cooked or whatnot up, so like
they always promoted that environment.

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
I'll get you on that team meeting, so like we
might have to cut this just because I like this guy,
but we would come in, we would destroy him.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
No, no, no, we're having fun.

Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
We would come in and like to Clay's point, like
there is this It started my sophomore junior or like
the meeting room coach O was getting mad about something
and he smashes a projector with his fist and like
these are projectors, Like I'm getting old here and he
smashes it and throws it, and then like we're getting hyped.
So Kennedy Pola, this big salmon running back coach, he

(01:36:35):
played running back, just awesome guy. Like he takes a
chair and throws it through this window because they're like
Florida ceiling windows like twelve feet tall and throws it
through the window and we're sitting like what has happened?
So then that became kind of like whenever they felt
like we would just start getting hyped and throwing water
and so Kennedy pulled the start of the thing, like
what's the first thing you do before you get in
a fight? You know, it's like take your shirts up.

(01:36:57):
So everyone takes their shirts off. We start like pushing
each other and like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:37:03):
And then he's like, then there's this chance, like wartime,
it's time to go to war, like we're gonna take
it outside, Like what do you do? You take your
shirt off? Like let's go outside. We're about to get
in a fight. That was our chant like back when
we were winning. I don't think it is anymore. You know,
Lincoln might need to bring it back, but my point
is so then, so he started getting more hyped, and
every every meeting got more and more hyped. It wasn't

(01:37:24):
you know to eventually like you took your shirt off,
like everybody's taking their shirts off. And then we had
a linebacker coach Coach Holt Nick Hole, he was your coach.
He ended up going to coach Idaho for a minute.
He got so hyped up. One time he took his
shirt off in front of the whole team. Then he
took his pants off, all of it, underwear, no shit,

(01:37:48):
and he's jumping around butt ass naked.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
Everyone's like, yeah, let's fuck whoa.

Speaker 5 (01:37:56):
And like he's like, what too too much? It's like
dog but they like and it was like what just happened?

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
He was grown man, he just.

Speaker 5 (01:38:03):
He just he got into that like mannic alpha where
he went.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
Barely legal kids. Yeah, and I was like, all right,
Like after that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
We we we agreed there was there was a limit
to the high we gotta draw.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
Was the next meeting Peter Klby like, hey, we can
get excited, but let's keep our world.

Speaker 5 (01:38:21):
Probably like Pete had a great way to roll with it.
But that's when I was like, all right, this place
is crazy, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
What happened?

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
It was just it was just next level and then
uh then Nancy double A came in and killed it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
So did you ever go to Reggie Bush's house in
Malibu in college?

Speaker 9 (01:38:38):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:38:38):
I did not.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
Did he have a house in alb I think that's
what he had that he had cars? Story agen The only.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Thing I got, honestly, I never saw I never saw money,
you know, I've never seen any of that. But uh,
I got two free RB's roast beef sandwiches in the valley.
That was the only thing I got in my five
years at s C, I got nothing. So all this stuff,
where are these guys getting? They get free, you know,
Redace hundreds of thousand of dollars. I just maybe I
was just have my head in the sand, but that
went over mine.

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Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
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Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
Facts you Ma Lugava.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Yeah, we went Keith that senior class. Yeah, and then
what Keith was older was a year He was a
year older, so he went ninth though, but I was
even there. Lofa was second round. But yeah, my senior
year was me and Cush went first round and Ray right,
he should have gone, well, you're supposed to go first.
And then Mayava went fourth to the Browns. We had

(01:41:32):
a good I think we finished first, first, second, second
and all the postseason lads and whatnot.

Speaker 5 (01:41:37):
Yeah, yeah, had phenomenal. Chris had a great career, even
Koluka like he started he was playing six seven years. Yeah,
I think baby old or something. Yeah, that's what it was.
But that was a great team.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
How was I was cush in college because he seems
like he was my favor He's my favorite Jersey boy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
He was my favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
You just have that thing. And when they're playing the
Cleveland Browns and he runs face first and the officsive
lineman face blood full or Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
We would be in like coaching Norton with Ken Norton,
be you know, in meetings and it'd be like lunchtime
and I'd need like a turkey burger with fries, trying
to be healthy, and this guy like you know or something,
and then you see his little watch go off, click it,
reach underneath out, pull out his like customized meal and
pills and whatnot. He was just he was dialed in.

(01:42:22):
But I love that guy. He's still one of my
best friends, says Dad. I wish we could have played again,
still keeping touch, but yeah, he was a monster, and
I think he helped elevate that room because of his
Jersey tough mentality. He was about he was about that,
like he was.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
About that actually yea, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:42:37):
Yeah yeah he and Clay knows him super well. But
like I was thinking, the last time I hung out
with Cush, we were in Miami and we're down there
for the Pro Bowl. Clay's in the Pro Bowl and
so we're me, Clay, my brother Casey, and Cush. We're
out and we're having a good time. But it's like,
you know, like it's like midnight one am. Like I'm
getting tired, man, We're like grown ups. And Coach like,
come on, Like we're in Fort Lauderdale, which is about

(01:42:58):
an hour north of Miami. Coach like, let's go to Miami.
There's a there's a party at a club Miami. My
teammates from the Texans. Andre Johnson is from Miami. He's
throwing a party over this.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
It was we were the only white police.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
Were outside.

Speaker 5 (01:43:13):
We're outside this club. We're with Uh it was Ray Lewis,
it was a Dan Hendo Henderson. We're sitting outside and
I'm like, no, dude, let's go do I'm tire, Like
go home, like no, come on, like what do I
gotta do? And I swear to god you look down
and I don't know that in the curve there was
a one dollar bill in like a dirty curt like
in like gutter water. And I was like, you eat
that one dollar bill and Cush is like what. I

(01:43:34):
was like, eat that one dollar bill. We'll go to Miami.
So Cush rolls up, he eats a gut like a
gut or water one dollar bill and he goes. I
was like, Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
So we go down to Miami. Hold up, that's better.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
We go down.

Speaker 5 (01:43:47):
We don't really understand the context of this party. So
we roll in. It's a nightclub Andre Johnson, and the
entire you is throwing it in like you know, like
Coral Gables or Brickle or somewhere down there. And we
walk into Clay's point it look this is not you know,
it's like, well the only white dudes there and like,
which is finely Like We're like, oh, this is fun,

(01:44:08):
and Cushing we go up. They have a table for us.
We're you know, we're wapping up some people.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
We know.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
Cush disappears years over there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
Mario Williams dapping them up in the middle of the
two in.

Speaker 5 (01:44:20):
The dance floor, so listen, we have so they're just
down there, so hold on, hold on, it gets it
gets better.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
Left. Yeah, this is a Cush story. So like again,
like Clay, you.

Speaker 5 (01:44:28):
Made the decision. If we edit this out. I think
this makes it. I think this makes it look makes
them look even better. But he disappears and they're bringing
bottles and bottles and bottles. We're not drinking, like it's
again now it's two three am, and like the Matthews
were like, let's go home. Well anyway, all of a sudden,
we're like, hey, we're gonna havead ou He's like, well,
who's paying for this bill? And it's like this is
ten thousand dollars? Like what anyone else? It's Cushing. So

(01:44:50):
Cushing had left his credit card on the table.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
That's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:44:54):
Cush had like a twenty five hundred dollars limit on
his credit card. Boys, I got this any worry, Like
he's disappeared, he has his credit card, can't pay for anything,
and we're like we're not paying for it, and like
they're like, someone's paying for it. And so finally we
got the guy to Andre Johnson comes over, it's his party.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
I think it was like his somebody I got it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
I got it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:16):
And then we always said hey to Andre Johns, you
got to go track Cush down to get the money.
And he got the money.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
But like that was cause was Cush.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Oh he just disappeared. He just disappeared. He was down
there amongst the crowd, just where he was. Cush told
me the story. He said like, yeah, yeah, I got you.
And then like it was like a month later and
somebody rolled up on me. You had to like running ship, Yeah,
hey you got that money.

Speaker 5 (01:45:40):
Somebody rolled up and was like, hey, like where's the money? Yeah,
you know Cush is is that guy that's not an act?
Like he's a savage.

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
You know, he had to be crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
I mean it was my entire motivation inspiration, like in
my high school days, like my dad and my dad
was pretty psychotic with me as a kid. But you
were the walk on story Cush. I had to do
all my dad would buy all the DiFranco tapes. I
would have to do all the Franco method that Cush
would do. I mean, Cuss got that you know, diabolical
before and after photo with when he was going through
labor and surgery, and then all of a sudden, he's

(01:46:14):
like flexing with you. You guys are both flucked in
the classroom. And then Rave Malugu was my lock screen.
So I was all sc linebackers, Why didn't you go there?
I wasn't good enough. I didn't get an offer.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
What year was that?

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
Eight was the classic? And I think that was I
think that was Tyron Smith? Is Tyron Smith?

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
What lineback? Who was like Chris Capo or who?

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because my.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Brother he was a five star.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
Yeah, my brother came out. Uh he might have been
like a three or four star, my younger brother and
sea Yeah, well I don't know was there. Well anyways,
eight they passed on him, and uh so he went
up to Oregon and obviously Organ had played in the
National Championship ever losing to Cam Newton. But after like
the first year, did you brother want to transfer back
to USC You missed?

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
You missed the boat was supposed to keep in the family.

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
What he is doing. I have a vivid memory of
It's like week six or seven, No, probably the first
couple of weeks of my rookie year. And I'm not
starting but I'm watching Ray Montoluga on the Bengals, and
we had a whole game plan of like, hey, we
got hit the perimeter on these guys. So we were
watching a b of pin pool things with tackles going out,
and there's a clip from the Ravens where Ray did
not give a fuck about making the tackle. He was

(01:47:21):
just murdering and left right then. And I sat in
that me room, I was like, I pray to God,
nobody gets he was playing.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
As a as a freshman at at USC. They put
him on kickoff like L five R five. He run
down there, biggest head ever too, and neck and he
would just just lead with his head and just knock
pel out and he would just get up. I mean
he was like you would think he was just straight
from the island, like you brought him over like like
Maui you know Demi.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
God, Yeah, he was like before this, like when we
were talking about my Luga. His body like everybody has
like a reaction when they're making a big hit, like Ray,
his body just always stayed so compact. Yeah, his body
never moved when he made a big There's no like people.

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
Yeah, he was just a.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
Really stout Yeah, he would Yeah, he would have been perfect.
He probably could have lied. I mean still played for
several years, but he probably you know that rate, you know,
late nineties early two thousand generation of inside linebackers who
just needed to run downhill? Yeah that man, that that
h u s. The U c l A highlight that
just popped up right there right now is yeah, we

(01:48:25):
ended up I think losing this game. We would have
gone to the National Championship.

Speaker 5 (01:48:28):
But that quarterbacks in real estate, he reached out all
the time. I think his murdering. So his name is
Patrick Cowan. I think he's done well in real estate,
so well reach out and it's like, man, how's your head?

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Sage Killer? Is that that running back? Three bar face
mass too?

Speaker 4 (01:48:47):
That Robal? Is that true hate Week?

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
Honestly, they haven't been that unlike Michigan Ohio State. You guys,
I'm gonna say, you like have had so much sustained
success that U c l A has kind of. At
least when I was there, they had fallen off completely.
They weren't even a top twenty five I think my
first year two thousand and four, they were like a
like a teen's team, maybe top ten but I think
we beat on like seventy to something that was like
Reggie Bushes I had secured his heisman, but it was

(01:49:14):
it was fun, but it always felt like the second
tier of of like a bath went to U c.

Speaker 9 (01:49:20):
L A.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
Now that's obviously changed because they're both kind of right
at least at this point that mediocrity, but at the time,
like it was more Notre Dame, and to be honest,
was so good. At the time, it was whatever the
best team wants national team.

Speaker 4 (01:49:32):
Yeah, it was the best team was like we can't
wait Sahoma.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Yeah, brutal before instant replayed Vince Young.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
You you you were in I was. I was in
the Vince Young one.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
You were in the Vince Young one? Oh yeah, because
that was that was like it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
Was five seasons. Yeah, it's just it's tough. Yeah, but
I wouldn't like, yeah, it wasn't that difficult for maybe
because I was just on like two special teams. Just
to I may be completely candid, it sucked. But the
next year we played Michigan. Michigan was I just go aheading.
The story Michigan was was rolled like they had a

(01:50:05):
man blanket on the left long heart Manningham Henny, Yeah,
and uh beat them up pretty good. And then the
next year we're up pretty good. Illinois, we got after them.
And then last year was Joe Paterno's Penn Stay we
played in.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
For Illinois was at the Rose. You guys crushed a
big game on that one too.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:50:25):
Yeah, there was a period. Yeah, there's a period there
against the Big ten and the sec where and in
fact checked me, I don't think we lost for like
six seven years, you know, outside of Texas and the
Big twelve. Like I know, my senior year we went.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
Down to Auburn and rolled in the Habraska.

Speaker 5 (01:50:40):
To Auburn had Cadillac Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
N uh.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
My official visit to Nebraska is when you guys, you
guys came to Nebraska, it's like forty eight to I
remember seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
It was that two eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I
started that game. I broke my thumb and had to
come out. Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
It was down there, Nebraska. Yeah, they killed us. Obviously
we had thirty one, but forty twenty one of them
were in the fourth quarter, so that the guys, like
I remember seeing Taylor Mays pre game, Taylor Mays just
staying in.

Speaker 5 (01:51:10):
Taylor game, just a SC won half their games before
the games just because of Taylor.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
Is like what Ron ron Zuck was the head coach
of Illinois at the time. He was our special teams
coach for a few years in Green Bays. And we
when we when we took the field and you guys
are out there, it was over.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
It was over.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
It was over. Like we we were just in awe,
you know, and that was it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
God, the unis like dude, I can't imagine walking off
the bus and just feeling like that, like we just
look better, we are better. We're going to destroy everything.

Speaker 7 (01:51:40):
But that was that was that.

Speaker 5 (01:51:41):
That was that swag at s C for a period
of seven eight years and like respectfully, like it's been
such a long time, Like I'm just like I'm tired
of talking, like, hey, when we did this.

Speaker 4 (01:51:50):
Because because well, what's what's missing now at SC? Do
you think, Carol?

Speaker 5 (01:51:55):
I think no, all right, I'm going to answer this question.
So in my opinion, and I'm not the most educated.
I you know, I'm connected to the program. I try
and help them in terms of given athletes advice post
playing days and you know, how to make sure you
set yourself up, not just financially and hire good financial advisor,
but actually, you know, be articulate and ideally fluent in

(01:52:19):
the financial language. You know, it's not just about hiring
good people to manag your money, it's being able to
manage those managers. I think the game of college football,
the dynamic, especially with NIL, has changed so fast, and
there's some programs like Oregon or Ohio State. Again I'm
not I think Michigan. Is Michigan a great NIL like

(01:52:40):
because because I understand Michigan, like they really did a
great job with Harbaugh developing three four five year guys.
Now they're NIL.

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
I think it's like like this year and last year,
like the first like two years were really feeling like real,
real money going into Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:52:55):
But you guys didn't win the Natty. Last year. I
felt like it was mostly homegrown players. But the game
has shifted so much, and I think there are programs
that have really like stayed ahead of that, and I
don't think SE is that And I blame if I'm
gonna blame it, I blame the culture of the school
because there's still PTSD from the sanctions, and I think
they're very like it's scared of your own shadow. They

(01:53:17):
don't want to do anything without the NCAA saying you
can do this, which is like formal opinion letter submit
can we do this? While other schools it's not that
they're breaking the rules and maybe not even playing by
the rules. There are no rules right now, and so
there's other schools like we're just gonna do this and
like it's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.
Sc UP until recently has been like no, we need

(01:53:38):
to make sure we ask for permission, so we're always
a year or two behind. My hope is that the
administration is being more aggressive with NIL and all that.
I don't I can't say state put that as a
statement of fact. That's just like from what I can tell,
like quasi connected to the program?

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:53:54):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Ye, it makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
We have my opinion now. I just I think, like
I mean strictly from a football standpoint, like x'es and o's.
I think it's like a mentality thing. I mean, obviously
there's some there was weaknesses in the O line and
D line last year. When you've seen you know, Miller
Moss getting sacked so much. I don't think he was
the problem. They ended up benching him like three quarters
of the way through the season. But I think they

(01:54:19):
need some more athletes. But you know, these guys are great.
You know that they've been bringing in and you know
Lincoln Riley and offensively what Caleb Williams was able to
do the last I guess the previous two years.

Speaker 5 (01:54:31):
They got a really good decordinator.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
Now, yeah, it's truly remarkable your top three, but you
know that year where they lost to it was a
Utah when they should have gone to the playoffs at
that time. I don't know if it's just like a
because Pete had that that culture, you know, that that
hard ass culture, And I don't know if it's just
all x's and o's and putting up fifty every game
as opposed to you know, do you want a defensive
minded head coach or do you want offensive mind a

(01:54:53):
head coach?

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
And I think you guys are closer because even though
you guys lost what five games this year, they weren't
you guys were like one score games most of the time. Yeah,
we did.

Speaker 5 (01:55:02):
I think they're close. Like again, Dan tunneln is the
decoordinator came from the Ravens. Like if you just look
at the statistical improvement, and respectfully, like me, Clay, my dad,
we're on a text chain like sometimes when ST's playing, like.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
We'll be like this defense.

Speaker 5 (01:55:14):
But this was the first year where like the text
messages weren't about the defense, right, So I think the
defense is getting better. To Clay's point, they really need bodies,
They need the big guys. They always have athletes. Look
at the receivers in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
Like you know, that's why whenever they play like an
SEC team or Big ten, they always get bullied to
look at in the trenches, you know, but they'll put
up like I said, thirty five, forty two point whatever
it is. But it's just that you know, they'll they'll
those those teams will run it down.

Speaker 5 (01:55:39):
And if you look at the old SC teams, like
back when Clay and I played, that were that were
winning every game. The Reggie's, the lineups, all those guys
got the hype. But actually if you look at the
guys they put in the league, it was O lineman,
D linman linebackers, right, And so I think I'm very
optimistic about Lincoln. I think he gets he knows what
he has to do. There is a reality in college ball,

(01:56:00):
like you can know what you have to do. You
could say, hey, I'm going to go out and do it.
But nowadays it's it's money, right, And if you don't
have an nil war chest, like you're just not going
to be competitive. Like kids don't. Most kids don't sign
up for the uniform anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:56:12):
It's like, even if they grew up an SC fan,
if they have a big freshman year, they're going to
get a phone call from Ohio State saying hey, or
Georgia saying like, hey, why don't you come here and
I'll pay you a million bucks a year. They're not like, sorry,
I'm an SC guy. They're like, they go to SC,
how much you're gonna pay? I think I think nil?
Well nil. Wise they've figured it out. But like, I
don't know, Yeah, college football is better when when SC

(01:56:34):
the Notre Dames, the Michigan's Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
Nebraska is in the top twenty two.

Speaker 5 (01:56:39):
Nebraska speaking in that top twenty five NCAA football is
better when Nebraska's you know, nine to four, not six
and six.

Speaker 4 (01:56:48):
Well, every year they've gotten one one game better.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
You guys only beat it because of a passer in
appearance call at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
I don't think I watched that. That was a twelve
o'clock game.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
You're only probably feel for the propriety. I'm screaming at
the TV over BI calls. You guys keep up with.

Speaker 4 (01:57:05):
College or NFL more like, as far as just enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
For me, NFL, yeah, yeah, you're not a big sc guy.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
No, no, no, I'm a huge SEE guy. But I'm
just saying, like it's it's hard to you know, with
the success I guess the lack of success or what
we're accustomed to see in But no, I sit down.
My wife knows like Sundays are are my day. Like
I worked to about twelve o'clock and around the house
cleaning up, you know, making banana red, and then I'm
then I sit down clock. Yes, sure, and but no,

(01:57:32):
I really enjoy the NFL as far as watching it,
and because I felt like I don't know how it
is for you at Lineman you as well, Like I
felt like my mind at the end of my career
was just so tuned in and natural. They always tell
you this, like I was just and I was like,
when I went to the Rams, Chris Shulo, who's now
the defensive coordinator, he was my linebackers coach, but we
might as well have been the same as far as uh,

(01:57:53):
you know, on the same page and being peers and whatnot.
And so I just felt like the way I was
able to give back teach these guys who were playing
behind me at the time, like my mind was just
so far advanced. And of course that's the time I'm
pulling the plug on you. Now, all I gotta do
is sit at the TV and be like, I guys
got to do this. But I enjoy the NFL still.

Speaker 4 (01:58:12):
Dude, I hear what you're saying. With watching the games,
that's kind of turns me away from the NFL a
little bit more because I'll watch the games and I'll
get so caught in the offensive line of what they're
doing that I'm not really enjoying it as opposed to
I'll watch like college football, whether it be Michigan or
any other team. It's like the offices are so different
and the talent levels so different, and the mistakes are
so much more often, so it's kind of more fun

(01:58:34):
to see these massive, explosive plays, guys being out of
their gaps. It's like I enjoy that more. I enjoy
watching the mistakes.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
I will say though, like the Who, I don't know
if it was like Chargers Texan. That was just to me,
that was a background noise game. But like when La
Mar comes on and sa Quon, I feel like I
tune into the superstar like Jamar Chase Burrow, Like there's
guys mahomes who I will watch the whole game start
to finish, But I feel like that's just a select
maybe you know, eight ten teams there.

Speaker 4 (01:59:01):
How bad did you want the Bengals to get?

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely, the Bengals are so yeah, they're super
every year. They're dangerous. They obviously gave away too many
games early on, but the way Burrow played at the
end obviously, I mean he won't win MVP, but he,
based on his stats very well could and Jamar Chase
it was fun to watch.

Speaker 5 (01:59:18):
I was gonna, yeah, he watches more football than I
just obviously close to the game. But I was gonna
say most of the most of the sports we get
together and watch the UFC, Like yeah, because again with
the four kids, the three kids, and then I got
my work life. During the week, there's not as much time.
So for me to take a Saturday Sunday and park
it and say like, hey, you know it's not my job.
It wasn't my career the way it is his. So
I get that for him. But for me, you know,

(01:59:41):
the deal I have is like, hey, you get the
kids to bed on a Saturday night at a thirty,
like that's when the UFC comes on. So nor I
normally will get together with my brother Casey.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
And like we'll we'll talk about what we would have
done differently, how should have defeated You know, I told
Taylor when when I first saw Taylor, because I was
so like I just, I guess envious of like how
close you were to Dana and how you were there.
I'm like, man, because in twenty nineteen, when I stayed
in Green Bay with my contract up in the air,
there was no sports on it this time, and the

(02:00:11):
UFC was this only thing that came on pretty much
every week. So I started tuning in and all of
a sudden, I see a fighter. I saw a fight
three months ago fighting. Oh okay, I remember that guy,
and so I probably haven't missed a fight night, a
pay per view, you name it, and since twenty nineteen, do.

Speaker 4 (02:00:26):
You watch this past weekend since he durn Yeah, I
watched it. Yeah, dude, maybe the best slate of fights
in a long time. There are like three knockouts.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
Well it was. I didn't watch it all. I watched it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
I watched it.

Speaker 5 (02:00:37):
I usually I used it six years except wow.

Speaker 1 (02:00:42):
When I saw when I saw like, oh the main
card was, I was like, all right, But then you
know there was there was there were some good there
were some good fights on it. But I'm looking forward
to this weekend coming up here.

Speaker 4 (02:00:50):
There was this one dude who was just getting pumbled
on for a minute, and you thought he was about
to get knocked out, and he just threw a straight
right in the chain. Dude was out for like a minute.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:00:57):
I saw that to the point where like everyone's like
clapping here and there was like what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
It was nuts.

Speaker 5 (02:01:05):
We're like that meme you sent me to mean the
other day, like that fat guy on a couch with
the bob, why did he shoot the single la?

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
It makes no sense, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:01:13):
Those are just fucking like Michael Chandler, He's just what
five six just built like a pit bull, and he
is terrifying. We had we had a beer Olympics and
me and Will are wrestling Shane and Burt and they
call for Mike and Mike gets a hold of my
heel and I'm like borderline drowning in the pool, Like
I'm like praying to God, like please let me up,
because it's about to be over for me. He's just

(02:01:34):
they're just different breaths of humans.

Speaker 1 (02:01:36):
Mike's fun to watch ever since he came on the scene.
I remember because just a yeah, I remember him talking.
He did like a he backed up one of these fights.
I don't know who it was. He was ready to go,
and then he fought Dan Hooker and I was like, man,
it's good looking, he's articulated, he's champion from whatever it was,
and he came over here, had immediate success. But even
in his losses, he's fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (02:01:54):
This is Mike.

Speaker 4 (02:01:57):
He gets my heel here, watched my head of the
setting in. I was freaking out.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
Yeah, even when he loses, he seems to come out
on top.

Speaker 4 (02:02:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
Yeah, He's the only guy who can cut a promo after,
you know, losing.

Speaker 4 (02:02:14):
Yeah, fight.

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
Yeah, that was phenomenal that fifth round.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
I'm like, crazy, you almost got him almost.

Speaker 5 (02:02:20):
I mean it as a compliment. He's like a WWE guy,
like in terms of a hype man, and I think
other wrestlers, you know, are taking because like, ultimately, what
are they there for. They want to win fights, and
obviously they have a passion for that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:33):
It is to make money, right, it's marketability.

Speaker 4 (02:02:35):
And yeah, he's great in the game of the story
that's suddenly I think UFC does better than anybody else.
Is like playing into the storylines of the beef between
the two individuals. I think that is so money. We
had to take on Michigan Ohouse State after Michigan planning
the flag, and then the postgame press, the post game
like show, they're talking about how there's no place for
that in football, and it's like, don't say that, because
you know next year going to the game, you're going

(02:02:56):
to show that to get everybody to go watch the game,
Like you want these storylines to like, you know, make
everybody kind of tune in. The's a couple of guys
from s C. You're like, you're not gonna be like,
let me go watch Michigan, Ohiose State today you'll probably
go turn on you.

Speaker 5 (02:03:09):
Ohio State wins and plants the flag.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
Yeah, yeah, you want to see that.

Speaker 4 (02:03:12):
And I'm thinking to myself, we got to get five
in a row.

Speaker 5 (02:03:14):
And so now like Diamond and like, I don't know,
maybe I'm different. Like if you don't want them to
plant the flag, don't lose. Yeah, Like that's how I
love that.

Speaker 7 (02:03:23):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (02:03:24):
Who do you think I won the national championship?

Speaker 5 (02:03:26):
Not Ohio State, Ohio State?

Speaker 1 (02:03:27):
Yeah, I Ohio State's rolling around.

Speaker 5 (02:03:29):
I think it's tell you I don't like Notre Dame
being an sc guy generally speaking, but like, man, I
like that coach Marcus Freeman, Like he's.

Speaker 2 (02:03:37):
It seems like the Bears are gonna interview him.

Speaker 5 (02:03:40):
Yeah yeah, that's probably just that's probably just to create
but again that that's probably to create leverage to get
a better deal with Pete.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (02:03:49):
Like if you if you like, if you're thinking like
and you're like, we like Pete. He has success, he
brings energy, We have a good young quarterback. You don't
just interview Pete and like, again, Pete's got a great agent.
You you bring in some hot candidates. You don't tell
him this, but you're just creating leverage to negotiate with peace.

Speaker 2 (02:04:06):
Business and he's got it. He had to pick up
books early.

Speaker 4 (02:04:12):
Man.

Speaker 5 (02:04:14):
No, I remember I got to my my work. The
first day I had to YouTube. This is when YouTube
like how to tie a tie the night before. My
dad was the best dad in the world, but he
never had a traditional job. He was an NFL football
player straight to being a you know, our youth football coach,
and so that transition was very painful.

Speaker 8 (02:04:32):
Man.

Speaker 5 (02:04:32):
It took it took years for me to catch up
to the you know, I want to you know stereotype
the frat boys, Like, who's not just in college? I
never I didn't think that I should be preparing for
life after football. That was something like after my last
game was like a crap, Like what do I do?
And on top of that, you know, they just had more.

(02:04:53):
It took me a long time to catch up. That
was that was pretty painful.

Speaker 2 (02:04:57):
Yeah, should we hit our tier talk.

Speaker 4 (02:04:58):
Yeah, let's hit your talk here.

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
Talk this week is gonna be best brother athletic families.

Speaker 5 (02:05:04):
Of all times.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
Math talk explain them how tier talk works. So tier
talk is basically your top three. You'll start a tier three.
You give a reason. Why are you give a little?
You give a few words? Why tier two?

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
Tier brothers?

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
If you want to give an honorable mention, that's on
the table as well.

Speaker 1 (02:05:19):
Brothers are family.

Speaker 2 (02:05:20):
Family, We'll go family.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
Will just pla say, I'll do brothers. You guys, brothers.
I want to do brothers. So you obviously got paid
payt and eli.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
You gotta start at three. Now you gotta start. So
here's it.

Speaker 4 (02:05:29):
You gotta start three, and then you go. You can
give an honorable mention if you want, you go honorable
mention three two one, and then everyone's gonna be silent.
After we're gonna go around the room. Everyone's gonna say
one word to describe how they feel about your tier talk.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
So okay, so I'm going three two one three two? Okay?

Speaker 4 (02:05:44):
So we are we each giving our own opinion, collaborat No,
everyone's given their own opinion.

Speaker 5 (02:05:49):
Yeah, I think Sorry real quick time out, dude. Is
there a list of like or I have to think
about off the top of my own.

Speaker 1 (02:05:56):
Manning, I would go Manning's one, we can work the
other way. Manning's one. I would say, the Watts two
and then.

Speaker 2 (02:06:08):
Any sport too.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
Oh now we're doing that? No, no, no, no, I
I can't think of many other I mean, I know
the Longs had success, the Bosas are obviously Nick's playing well.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
Phil's families. I think Mayweather's got to be in there.
But it's brothers or siblings, the Williams sisters.

Speaker 1 (02:06:30):
Okay, wait are we going l We're doing NFL? Come
on you brought.

Speaker 2 (02:06:37):
Yeah? Sorry, well JP back there any sport? Who'd you
just tell me?

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
You were asking chat? GPT gave a good one?

Speaker 2 (02:06:48):
What do you give you? Kyle? All right? So a
couple because I agree with you. I think one and
two is Mannings and then Watts, so three trying to
figure out you're one.

Speaker 5 (02:06:57):
Of the best.

Speaker 2 (02:06:57):
Right, Yeah, we're doing a whole different way. Yeah, this
we'll just do it, all right, I got it, I
got it.

Speaker 4 (02:07:06):
Well I don't. I don't agree with your tier two.

Speaker 5 (02:07:07):
All right, here we go. You want honorable mention that
the Jones family, Arthur Jones, Jones, John j Yeah, okay,
I guess, okay, the Jones and and number they're they're
tier one in terms of who I don't want to fight, right,
all right? Also honorable mention the Gronks. The gronkowskis okay,

(02:07:33):
like they're they had players, But I would say tier
three like beyond honor mentioned higher than I would say
the Watt family JJ and T JM at their studs, right,
But there's no butt to that. It's just if you
want a Tier one tier two, I think you got
to start talking generationally, like did their dad's play their

(02:07:54):
their grandfathers, like you see what I'm saying. Like, and
so tier two is the main because you had Peyton
and Eli who are incredible, and Archie and then arch
coming up. Tier one is I mean, it's one hundred
percent of Matthews most games in NFL history across three generations,

(02:08:15):
like and and what eleven different football players who who
played a game in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
Some one's still playing for the Jakes. Jakes had one
hundred and I think he was drafted before you. Uh,
yes he was.

Speaker 4 (02:08:31):
I remember the show.

Speaker 1 (02:08:34):
I remember you posted something a long time ago. Yeah,
you went down to Atlanta. I don't know. You posted
something and then it was funny because my my cousin,
Jake's brother had re posted on Instagram. I was a
funny little bit, right, there.

Speaker 4 (02:08:47):
But yeah, well, I mean I thought I was a Falcon,
and I remember taking to Jake. We were we were
like doing something during draft week, and I was like, Hey,
where do you want to go? And I'm thinking, I
don't know what I'm thinking. He's like with the Falcons.
I was like, I want to to other Falcons too.
We kind of kind of looked at each other and
then we were cordial, nice. I liked a law He's awesome,
great guy. But when that phone rang at six and

(02:09:10):
he was two tables away from me, I was fucking sick.

Speaker 5 (02:09:13):
I got a question. Yeah, looking back at the careers,
if you're at the gym, how would you draft that today?

Speaker 4 (02:09:19):
Probably take Jake before me. Still, I mean, he's had
the longevity. He's eleven years in now. I think I
had a higher ceiling. But you can't beat long, Like
the best ability is durability.

Speaker 1 (02:09:31):
He's gonna play another He's gonna play a long Don't
you want that? Like the number? I think he's he's
right now, he's got the streak for longest.

Speaker 2 (02:09:39):
He's a Matthew.

Speaker 1 (02:09:40):
He isn't he hasn't missed the game of things.

Speaker 5 (02:09:42):
Which gets back to the first question.

Speaker 2 (02:09:44):
But you would take if you go back to that,
it was brothers.

Speaker 4 (02:09:46):
Yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (02:09:49):
You're the one who even said brothers too, and then
your brother brings in the entire family.

Speaker 7 (02:09:54):
Sounds good.

Speaker 4 (02:09:55):
Yeah, hey, to go back to that, because I am
you guys fourteen, You take Jake second or second or
third overall over the Rams, picked over Greg Robinson, and
then I probably go six. Actually, probably take Zach Martin
because he's in that draft class as well.

Speaker 5 (02:10:10):
He went to the Cowboys with the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (02:10:12):
He's a Hall of Fame. He probably actually goes before Jake.
So be like Jake or sorry Zach, Jake than me
because I'm obviously I had like a more splash and
there's still more time on Jake's career to do that.
I mean, I think Bruce didn't make a Pro Bowl
till his eleventh year. Bruce he made fourteen, but he

(02:10:32):
like he didn't make it for the like he made
the back half square. So yeah, I think, I mean,
obviously you take Jake before me for sure? For sure,
it makes me six. In it out loud, We'll delete that.
Let that out.

Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
Yeah, I like how throws it in there. Let's think
about this.

Speaker 4 (02:10:48):
Yeah, well, let me ask you this question that we
know it's gonna hurt.

Speaker 2 (02:10:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we kind of spun this. Yeah. That family.
That's a veteran tiertalk moves. Veteran tiertalk. Oh, he's good.
He's read a few books. He talks about leverage and
everything else. He knew how to spend the entire conversation
on us.

Speaker 5 (02:11:05):
I mostly chat the books and represent that I read them.

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
Yeah. I think when it comes to brothers, though, it's
hard to beat the Mannings of the Watts Jones for sure,
like you had Chandler played a high level and then
his brother John Jones in the UFC as far as
the sport of football. But family lean, yeah, bris the
Kelsey's l those.

Speaker 1 (02:11:32):
Guys they can be. I forgot about these.

Speaker 4 (02:11:34):
Those are both famous, they are both Hall of famers.

Speaker 5 (02:11:38):
Yeah, man, there's some good brothers.

Speaker 1 (02:11:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:11:42):
Yeah, I put the I put the Kelsey's over the Watts.

Speaker 2 (02:11:45):
I don't know, man, mhm, impact.

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
That what I'm saying, like Kelsey zuh. You know, I'm
just saying both of them, like.

Speaker 4 (02:11:58):
Let me put you real quick, swifties, listen, no will
be then I'm looking at for you.

Speaker 1 (02:12:05):
Remember Jason pulling from the center position on like a
like a toss, you know, and I'm middle linebacker trying
to get out there. That Holy this guy's running sixty
yards downfield. Now, I'm saying there stes. But as far
as impact every game, you know, like sack calls, fumbles
which change the center can't do that, a tight.

Speaker 5 (02:12:21):
End which gets to the position you play. That's why
it's quarterback.

Speaker 1 (02:12:24):
Yeah, quarterbacks gonna be first no matter.

Speaker 5 (02:12:25):
What offensive tackles and rush It's like quarterbacks number one.
Tackles and rush players are two in terms of value
to the game.

Speaker 4 (02:12:32):
I'm with you. I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (02:12:34):
Safety dead, last last guy.

Speaker 4 (02:12:36):
It's down there.

Speaker 5 (02:12:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:12:37):
Take the mccordy brothers out then they're gone.

Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
Yeah, unfortunately listen.

Speaker 4 (02:12:40):
Good brothers though, Yeah, good brothers. Yeah. And they're twins
to which kind of gives them an extra little bump.

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
It's nice.

Speaker 2 (02:12:45):
Now. I think the Kelsey's edge them out as far as.

Speaker 1 (02:12:48):
All pros, Yeah, but I'm talking about the impact.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
Just Jason and Travis both of like seven plus JJ
had five.

Speaker 1 (02:12:56):
Three time defensive player that's yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:12:58):
Yeah, are we talk peak because his peak was pretty
high up? Yea peak was Yeah, I could debate right
there said you didn't say football athlete. If we're talking athletes,
I wouldn't put the Mannings potentially in there.

Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
WHOA, they're they're playing their football players.

Speaker 5 (02:13:17):
Yeah, the quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (02:13:18):
I see what you're saying. Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (02:13:20):
It's like, what's your definition of athletes?

Speaker 2 (02:13:22):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:13:22):
This is a this is gonna go.

Speaker 2 (02:13:24):
This has been such a conversational. Who wasn't Michael Phelps
is the greatest athlete of our generation. It's like, all right,
is he?

Speaker 5 (02:13:33):
I don't know something. Something tells me if the guy
put his mind to it, Michael Jordan would be a
good swimmer too. So I feel like I'm Jay.

Speaker 2 (02:13:41):
Lebron, Lebron and Jordan. I don't need to do what
Yeah Sterling and Shannon Sharp.

Speaker 1 (02:13:50):
But the recentism right now we're gonna harballs.

Speaker 2 (02:13:54):
The harballs in the coaching realm was who is.

Speaker 4 (02:13:58):
Your biggest like rival in your mind from the defensive
side of the ball, Like when you're rushing the edge,
like you look at other guys and be like, I
gotta fucking outdo this.

Speaker 1 (02:14:06):
Guy you're talking about, Like on the defense, like the
defensive side where.

Speaker 4 (02:14:10):
You would watch other people's film and be like, hey,
I'm I believe I'm the top edge rusher in the
entire NFL. But some people might say this guy is Russian.

Speaker 1 (02:14:17):
Was man. It's like the All Pro Team shifted and
Pro Bowl shifted, Pro Bow states same, but All Pro
team shifted every year. You had justin Houston have twenty
two sacks, you'd have Jared Allen you have twenty sacks.
You'd have DeMarcus Ware with twenty. You know what I mean,
It's a Von Miller eighteen. And so it was really
difficult to be one of those first team All pros.
But honestly, to answer that question, I watched their game
and I was like, Okay, what can I take from them?

(02:14:39):
And you just hoped that in bettering your game you
would because it was all based on sacks. You know,
if you could have right around fifteen sacks, you probably
be a first you know, first team All Pro.

Speaker 4 (02:14:49):
But who is the guy that you were like, did
you ever have a guy that you had like in
your mind? Nothing like that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:54):
I just it was all about sacks. Yeah, and I realized,
like it's ridiculous, you know, because I could hit a
quarterback and and not get a sack all game. But
the media, everybody wants to know your sacks. You get
above ten sacks, you make a Pro Bowl, you get
you know, you're the highest paid athletes. So for me,
you know, I had to just embrace that it was
all about sacks, you know. And to your point, when
I had like forty fifty sixty tackles, like I'd get
three tackles a game, you would hope that two would

(02:15:16):
be TfL's wont be a sack, right, and you're all
Pro at the end of the year. Oh yeah, and
you got to shut down guys like us for sixty plays. Yeah,
that's brutal bone, I get it.

Speaker 4 (02:15:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:15:28):
Who's your favorite defensive player you ever played with?

Speaker 9 (02:15:31):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:15:33):
Yeah, Pepper's Peppers Julius. Julius was a man.

Speaker 2 (02:15:35):
Is he the best you ever played with? Too?

Speaker 1 (02:15:38):
The best in what regard?

Speaker 2 (02:15:40):
Just the best, like in your brain looking back, like
that's the best defensive player I ever played with.

Speaker 1 (02:15:44):
Well, I also played with Charles Woodson too. Charles was
probably a greater playmaker, but Julius athletically physically could take
over a game at his position because he's what we
talked about pastors or he disrupts the quarterback every play.

Speaker 2 (02:15:58):
How about AJ Hawk?

Speaker 1 (02:16:00):
Just them? I remember when I first met AJ. I
remember when I first met agent. I was doing like
you know, I got draft and they brought us in
and I saw him walking down the hallway. I always
let his hair down too, and I walked up to
him like such a nervese, like a J Hawk. Clay
Matthews like shook his hand and knowing AJ now.

Speaker 5 (02:16:19):
Like hey, you're like, I'm like both long hair, like
I think we're supposed to be friends exactly the best.

Speaker 1 (02:16:25):
Once, did you guys see the game where he gave
double birds to his position coach, Winston mass So.

Speaker 5 (02:16:30):
He thought he was being cut or he thought he
wasn't being re signed, right, No, no, no, he had
a great year.

Speaker 1 (02:16:34):
Well I I yeah, I'm not sure what happened, but
he gave he gave double middle fingers to his coach
and then he got like a sack on like a blitz.
And then like this is when I was still involved
with Twitter and social media, and everyone's like, that's so disgraceful. Matthews,
you should be fine people coming down on AJ. You
got the sack, wasn't me? He is a man, though, I.

Speaker 2 (02:16:52):
See Clay just tweet Hey that wasn't me, that was
a j Hawk tags him.

Speaker 1 (02:16:54):
Now, I just I just filmed another commercial, that's all. Hey,
you go right there? Okay? It was a single single.

Speaker 4 (02:17:00):
Bird, single bird, God something about the middle finger dudeeah,
I think so hard.

Speaker 5 (02:17:05):
I think he was upset because they were taking him
off a third downs. It was his contract year and
we were hanging in his house and he had made
a comment like, yeah, I don't think they're gonna bring
me back, and so he's like fucking them out. Well,
guess what he had. He had a great year and
they signed him to like another three year deal.

Speaker 2 (02:17:19):
That makes it even better.

Speaker 4 (02:17:23):
So where do you finish on tier talk?

Speaker 2 (02:17:26):
I think this could be one where we throw we
clip out all the brother names that we said, We
let the we let the fans aside, We let the
crowd decide. Get everybody else in the picture. Yeah, yeah,
we can roll with his for the clip because I
thought he had a good one. I thought he had
a good one.

Speaker 4 (02:17:38):
We can do uh.

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Speaker 1 (02:18:25):
I mean, well, he was obviously all this highlights on
his hits. You can see, man, we had this and
we had this linebacker on our teams, a five star recruit.
I think he came in the same year as Ray
or after. His name was Luther Brown. Luth is awesome,
and but Ray was on the team at the time,
and something something popped off somewhere. You know, I wasn't

(02:18:45):
privy to it. I was at home doing my homework.
And uh so the next day at practice or meetings,
this guy shows up, you know, Luther, and he's got
glasses on in meetings and and Luther's jacked I'm talking.
He's the guy who cut the frill on the bottom
of his shirt. Abs always hang out like someone you
would mess with. I think Pete might have made him
take his last suffer. He had to just swollen eye

(02:19:06):
like all black and blue. Like what happened Ray, Ray happened.
I don't know what happened, but he might have mixed
you know, something in there. But something happened and Luther
got popped.

Speaker 4 (02:19:17):
And but locker room, no, I.

Speaker 1 (02:19:20):
This was outside of the locker room. This wasn't at
the locker room at the time. It just it just.

Speaker 2 (02:19:25):
I never you never did anything.

Speaker 1 (02:19:27):
He just didn't ask a questions, just carried on.

Speaker 4 (02:19:29):
Was y was pe reacts when he saw the glasses
come off.

Speaker 2 (02:19:33):
I mean it was as usual.

Speaker 4 (02:19:37):
Corner getting jacked up.

Speaker 9 (02:19:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:19:39):
I think they just let him fill and p He
probably said, hey, you got a bob and weave?

Speaker 1 (02:19:43):
Yeah, right, Yeah, he took everything to stride. But yeah,
that that was just like where it's your own teammate,
your own linebacker, You're like, all right, man, this guy's crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:19:50):
He's crazy, and where nobody just says anything to him
because you know how crazy he is. Yeah, it's like
a Nebraskan Dominicancu. We had a practice Saturday morning and
he knocks out an old lineman because I guess he
was holding, and Dominicin just palm to the back of
the head drops him right there in front of everybody.
Nobody says a word to Sue. We just like move
it up ten yards and continue. It was a scrimmage.

Speaker 4 (02:20:10):
No, she just moved up to while ambulance is coming
on the field.

Speaker 2 (02:20:13):
Yeah, we're like sit in the back. Holy shit, gonna
say a new guys in the back.

Speaker 4 (02:20:20):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:20:21):
Yeah wild.

Speaker 2 (02:20:22):
Did that linebacker stay at USC?

Speaker 1 (02:20:24):
Yeah he was there?

Speaker 2 (02:20:24):
Yeah, okay, he says, I know there was a guy
coming out named Arthur Brown. I didn't know if he
was he stopped now.

Speaker 1 (02:20:29):
But yeah, Luther, Luther Brown was still on special teams
and whatnot. I think he played a little bit. But yeah,
when you nobody messed with lutheror nobody messed with Ray.

Speaker 2 (02:20:37):
Yeah, nobody mess with Ray.

Speaker 4 (02:20:38):
I do I have like a sideways question. It's not
necessarily towards the question, but like seeing Aaron Rodgers and
obviously twenty twenty happens, he's on his eyewashing, Like, was
he the same guy at the packers as you see
him as now? Was he always like this level of
like trying to be enlightened, trying to have more in
depth conversations in depth.

Speaker 1 (02:20:56):
Thought, Uh, not as much as the time. I think
he probably has embraced that more now than ever, probably
around the COVID when it seemed like everybody was coming
down on him. But he's always been, you know, a
free spirit, free thinker, never went along with the norm.
It's just that because he was the you know, the
franchise quarterback, you got to be the Drew Brees, the

(02:21:18):
you know, the the Peyton mannings like the raw raw guy.
And you know, obviously Aaron kind of marches to the
beat of his own drum. I've always said he's like
Kobe Bryant. There's you know, whomever is the opposite of Kobe.
Kobe was kind of like he was just a killer.
But he's not going to help anybody who doesn't seek help.
You know, he's not going to be that raw, raw guy.
And so I've always equated that to him. He's like Kobe, like,

(02:21:39):
if you you know, come to me if you want hell.
That's why Davante Jordi, the James Jones, these guys, he's
receivers who had so much success. It's because they bought in.
They got close to him, and they were on the
same page. So, man, I got nothing but love for
Aaron and and you know, hopefully it's I don't know
if he's coming back next year or what that out, Yeah,
it would. I'd like to see him come back, just

(02:22:00):
to end on a high note, just because twenty four.

Speaker 2 (02:22:03):
Yeah, I love to see him. Yeah, I'd love to
see him get a little bit of the revenge.

Speaker 4 (02:22:06):
Yeah, come the Titans, Aaron, come here on the Titans
for a little bit. Did you uh, you guys always
get along? Did you guys ever butt heads at all?
If it's a ship talking at all? Third down period?

Speaker 1 (02:22:17):
Oh yeah, well we did all that, but now we
never we never butted heads. Beating in that basketball oh man. Yeah,
speaking of that, that that Florida that Florida Pro Bowl back. Now,
we played a three on three. It was it was Kyle,
my younger brother, Casey, and me Versu Aaron, I think
one of his brothers and one of his buddies at

(02:22:38):
the time, three on three at the down in Miami,
Miami wherever it was. I got real physical, Yeah, I
got real I fact, yeah, it got real physical, and
we ended up winning.

Speaker 5 (02:22:48):
Well said a pick on one of his buddy. So
it's kind of like a Matthew's brothers versus Rogers bros.
Now the youngest is of Jordan. He wasn't there but
Luke Aaron, and then they had a buddy who was
filling in for Jordan's you you knocked him.

Speaker 2 (02:23:05):
It was screening.

Speaker 5 (02:23:10):
He was like like eyes like like you know that
grunt sound. He finished the game. But it was a
competitive game obviously, Like even though he's a quarterback, Aaron's
a freakish athlete, you know, like you I guess, especially
earlier on in his career, ran lot more. But he's
a great athlete. His brother's great athlete. Obviously, we were

(02:23:32):
we were doing okay, and it was like to eleven,
but then like we got to eleven, but you have
to win by two and then they got to twelve
and it was it was heated and and finally, you know,
we put him away with a little jump hook in
the paint. And Aaron, uh, he doesn't take losses very well,
it turns out. So he got grabbed the ball and

(02:23:53):
like he kicked the ball, is still sailing and walks
off and like, I don't think he's ever talked to.

Speaker 4 (02:24:04):
Me since.

Speaker 1 (02:24:07):
You saw him in New York on the streets. But yeah,
like that's the competitor he is though. I mean, like
that was a funny, fun anecdotal.

Speaker 5 (02:24:15):
So for me, I didn't have that career. So like
beating Aaron in a game, like, I'm gonna remember that.
It's cool. Like I don't go around telling people the story.
But like you asked, but Aaron, like he's got a
million bigger moments in his head he should be thinking about,
like when he won the MVP of the Super Bowl.
But I know he knows that, and I know he
holds onto it.

Speaker 4 (02:24:32):
He'll have that forever, He'll always have his number. And
I was like, hey, you guys were butt heads or
anything like that? You did whisper that was that pickups
part of.

Speaker 5 (02:24:42):
It is like when I see her and like it's cool.
So like if I if we say this story, he's
be like, hey man, I remember that time he went
on busting and you talked ship.

Speaker 2 (02:24:50):
Yeah, oh yeah, he'll have it holstered.

Speaker 4 (02:24:53):
Literally if he ever sees this clip, we'll have a
basketball in him at all times. Yeah, he'll.

Speaker 5 (02:24:58):
He's gonna hold against for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:25:00):
But like you got, you probably got the Achilles, like
you get less mobile, you'll probably be able to handle
them respectfully.

Speaker 5 (02:25:06):
I had him back then too. Now he's really.

Speaker 2 (02:25:13):
Where he's there. I love your dog. We have a
harder twisted question for you have a business opportunity to
buy and build a dream stadium for a destination Bowl
game outside of the US. Where are you building and why?

Speaker 1 (02:25:26):
Which on college?

Speaker 2 (02:25:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:25:29):
Well all right, so I got unpacked only one so
I'm building. And then if I'm building a bowl games.

Speaker 1 (02:25:37):
You too, assholds, I'll get you best friends over there.
You ask, like a destination Bowl game? Who wrote this question?

Speaker 9 (02:25:49):
First off, there's the Bahamas Balls, the Bahamas Bowl, there's
the Pinstripe Bowl. Then just say yeah, yeah, you caught
himself though, he's like god damn, it's.

Speaker 4 (02:26:04):
Already ascility right now.

Speaker 2 (02:26:05):
It's there for Kyle talking circles around us and we're
talking college football.

Speaker 1 (02:26:12):
This is such a lame question, That's what I'm not
going It's a lame question.

Speaker 5 (02:26:20):
Well, I I yeah, the same question. I saw the
same question. I was like, well I don't really understand,
all right, So I'll show you how I approached the question.
So I go, Okay, a bowl game. But I'm building
a stadium for a bowl game, So what's the motivation
of building a probably to turn a profit? So now
I have to think about, like, okay, what city has

(02:26:43):
a built in fan base that likes football outside the country?
So I got to do my due diligence. The NFL
has probably already done it, and they tend to pick
London in Mexico City. So now I'm already narrowing on
those two. Is it going to be London? Is it
going to be Mexico City? Those are two of the
biggest m s as on the planet. They already have
some built in fan base because the NFL has been
laying the groundwork. And then I would have to look

(02:27:03):
at the economics, like am I going to own this stadium?
What can I lease it in addition to the Bowl game,
can I lease it out to others?

Speaker 4 (02:27:10):
And so hell ya?

Speaker 5 (02:27:11):
And then so then I'm gonna get to safety and
security because people won't travel unless they feel safe. Right,
So I'm probably not being an expert because I've been
to both those cities. I'm probably gonna go London.

Speaker 4 (02:27:22):
Okay, I like I like the answer. I think you
missed a key spot though, Cobo saying Lucas. It's a
genius destination spot not very far away. Everyone wants to
vacation there. You're thinking about Bowl games, You're gonna get teams.
Fans of those teams are going to want to travel
with the bull games. Where you want to go? Beach location,

(02:27:43):
want to do a little marlin fish and they will
catch the boys. Put a couple points on the board.
That's where That's where you want to go. Right there,
head over to mango deck, see a what T shirt contests,
push up competition, have a little fun, then being bamboom.
You had a great time. I agree.

Speaker 5 (02:27:55):
I think I touched on that though. If it was
just a Bowl game, fine, But the economics of building
a stadium is so expensive that you actually have to
lease the stadium out all year round. This is why
the Titans are getting rid of the outdoor stadium and
putting an indoor because just leasing it in the summer
to Taylor Swift and the Titans, it doesn't make money.

Speaker 2 (02:28:13):
So how am I?

Speaker 5 (02:28:16):
How am I going to have an event in Cabo
like four out of seven days a week the way
I could in a city the population of London or
Mexico City, London being fifteen million, Mexico City.

Speaker 2 (02:28:28):
So me and Claire soon, Oh yeah, Hurricane boom.

Speaker 4 (02:28:35):
Yeah, London definitely is the move, right.

Speaker 1 (02:28:38):
I mean, I'd love to change my answer.

Speaker 2 (02:28:42):
Doctor, Shall we.

Speaker 4 (02:28:45):
The beginning?

Speaker 7 (02:28:47):
What else? How are you guys as a little league
youth coaches competitive?

Speaker 2 (02:28:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:28:56):
So I'm I'm coaching now. I coached the eighth grade
team on the street football, and I would say our
kids are very disciplined, and they're running schemes that are
that are probably more advanced than most most eighth grade kids.

Speaker 1 (02:29:13):
Clay, you're a little younger, Yeah, our five years old?

Speaker 2 (02:29:16):
Is he watching him? As a head coaches? He get
after the parents as he get.

Speaker 5 (02:29:19):
After Let me all right, so my kids are old? No,
got I got to serve it up because my kids
are older and I. It runs in the family. There's
a there's a there's a hot bloodedness. I would argue,
we're not on the field, we're very quiet, very stoic,
pretty reserved, like borderline social anxiety disorder, and so, but

(02:29:42):
when you get on the field, it changes. And so
as a coach, he's come to some of my kids
games to support as a good uncle and and my
brother Casey as well. And I get I get hot,
I work, I work the refs right and occasionally threatened
the other coaches with violence, and so there's been a
lot of judgment from him to me over the years,
like dude, you're embarrassing, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:30:03):
I can't get really embarrassing. I sat by him one
time and I had to back up in the stands
because I was embarrassed I was doing the ref The
ref threatened to throw him out of a third or
fourth grade girls basketball and I was like, it's like
twelve to ten, one more outburst from you. I had
to leave. I had to.

Speaker 5 (02:30:25):
Go hard to go home. So anyway, a lot of
judgment to where I'm like, you know what, I really
got to look at myself, like I got to get better,
I got to be a better person, like I have
to not you know, get that fired up. And I'm like, yeah,
you know, he's right, Like I got I got to
grow up. And then this guy I go to his kid, Colton,
who's probably four at the time, his first game. I'm
there to support and like, as soon as the game

(02:30:46):
pops off, I see Clay start chirping at the other
coaches start getting real like aggravated jerky motion and like
kind of chippy, and I'm like, Okay, I feel better
about myself.

Speaker 2 (02:30:55):
Did that not happen?

Speaker 1 (02:30:56):
That didn't Now. I was very cool about it, but
I did throw some sarcasm in some remarks, some passive
remarks because he had a kindergarten team. We're playing with
a pre k and he's blitzing every play like that,
have some sportsmanship. I know your team's better, you're going
to win, but have some sportsmanship. I'm about sportsmanship and
I didn't get that way. Yeah, so what do we
do the next year? We just ran the table and
one of the you know, the kindergarten championship.

Speaker 4 (02:31:18):
So this is just lessons.

Speaker 5 (02:31:21):
What was more satisfying the kindergarten championship of the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (02:31:25):
Well, I tell you what, No, I don't know. I
don't know. You know how how old you guys kids are.
But I finally felt that feeling that I was missing
from the football field when I got to coach my
kids again, kind of living through them. They talk about
that because we won our first game like thirty four
to thirty one, and I just my stomach like I was,
I was just in k nots like I was, like

(02:31:46):
I was with the I was with him. He's five
years old, right, it shouldn't matter, but it does. I'm
a competitive But the Super Bowl was cool too. That
was actually a blur. That was my second year. I
didn't I didn't Maximi, I didn't Kapali. I was like
off the field, like, no picture, We're gonna win like five,
oh yeah, fifteen and one. We got the lose to
the Giants. Next year Kaepernick runs. It was just like,

(02:32:09):
I mean, a super Bowl thing's hard to do.

Speaker 2 (02:32:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:32:11):
Yeah. Joe Tyreek Hill he said he didn't make the
playoffs for the first time in his career. He's got
a he's got to go a different team now.

Speaker 1 (02:32:18):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:32:19):
That Jake was playing for the Falcons. They were at
what twenty eight three in the fourth quarter to the
Patriots and they had that collapse. It was heartbreaking, and
I was talking to Clay and you know, we're chatting
it and I was like, hey, you talk to Jake
and he's like, yeah. You was like, I'm gonna give
him some time. This was a couple of days after.
I was like, what do you say. He's like, you know,
he handled pretty well. He's like, you know, hey, it's
tough loss. It breaks your eye, but like, listen, we're

(02:32:40):
young team, got Matt Ryan, We're gonna be back. We're
gonna be out this thing. Multiple times in Clay's like, no,
we ain't. No. It spoke to just how hard it
is to get back, even if you have the same
exact team, and you know, which really leads into just
how great the Mahomes and the Bradys are and all
that two quarters.

Speaker 4 (02:32:58):
Away from go to the Super Bowl game nineteen Chiefs
because we're taking it to the Chiefs taking and we
beat him earlier that year too, and then Mahomes he
don't have the same forty times he does like some
little forty yards scamper on two minutes. We can't back,
you can't what's going on? And he just scored. They
end up going up at half never looked back. Brutal.

(02:33:20):
I hate him.

Speaker 5 (02:33:21):
Yeah no, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (02:33:24):
Since we have mom, should we do our pet peeves
with them?

Speaker 4 (02:33:26):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean you guys got time, right, yeah,
all time right?

Speaker 1 (02:33:30):
I mean, look at my I don't even know where
my phone is.

Speaker 2 (02:33:33):
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Speaker 4 (02:34:20):
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after I'm a sweaty boy. Right now, this is.

Speaker 2 (02:34:24):
Ultimately just like a little complaint session. We just we
talk about what a pet peevevar has been of ours
has been recently. One that's off the top of my
head is my wife always tells me to turn off
the light in the pantry, and it just it triggers
me because it's like, I'm fucking I'm gonna go back
in there at some point and snack on something. Why
do I have to turn the pantry light off every time?
Nate Bargati has an incredible bit. He's like, what are

(02:34:46):
we sending a we saving a nickel for? Like, how
much are we actually saving? Turn it off lights in
the house.

Speaker 1 (02:34:51):
You have a door on your pantry, Yeah, you can
get one of those press button ones where you just
open the door, it turns on, and close it and
they'll turn it off.

Speaker 4 (02:34:57):
Holy shit, look at that?

Speaker 2 (02:35:00):
Can I just vent right now?

Speaker 1 (02:35:02):
Sorry, it's not like a woman. You're not looking for advice,
You're just venting, all.

Speaker 4 (02:35:06):
Right, find a solution, will Yeah, it's a terrible pete
all right, Who's gonna go next, did.

Speaker 5 (02:35:14):
You I got the opposite. I'll tell you my pet Beeve.
A second is my wife will leave the lights on,
so instead of complaining, I just put in neutron lights
in the house and you can just swipe from an
app off off. So have your wife look into that.
So I'll tell you my pet Peeve. I'll tell you
my pet beeve is is political text messages, You guys

(02:35:37):
get moved lots. So all right, So I got put
on the Republicans, the Democrats, the Radical Bernies, like I'm
getting fifteen to twenty text messages a day from every
political party. I got put on some lists and I
can't unsubscribe. It says like, first of all, it says

(02:35:59):
put stop two end to take yourself off. Then it's
like do you put your stop and then as the
two in the end or do you have to spell
it out? But no matter how many times I do that,
I think when I actually reply like unsubscribed or stop
to end, it just it just actually it just actually says, hey,
this is.

Speaker 1 (02:36:14):
A real number, ladies.

Speaker 5 (02:36:15):
And I don't know whether it's AT and T or
these parties. If anybody knows, could you help me out
take me off these fucking lists. Man, you don't need
the information, and I'm getting hit from every side.

Speaker 1 (02:36:28):
Mine's just toilet paper that's put on the roll upside down.
I'm not a big fan of that. Like political messages suck,
but like I hate when have it upside down because
you gotta hold it and then rip it as opposed
to just one quick swipe like that. It's very it's
really good, you know what.

Speaker 5 (02:36:45):
I never and now moving forward, I will notice this
the rest of my life and be more aggravated.

Speaker 4 (02:36:49):
Yeah, you should be thank you never wanted dangling. My
pet peeve is to my children who want to take
every word literally. Like if I tell them, hey, please
don't do this, and then they don't, they do the
thing I tell them not to do, and then I
explain to them conversation they have they say they don't remember.
But when I say the words that I said, and
I add or subtracts when word, they'll actually be like no, no, no,
you said this too. That pisses me the fuck off.

Speaker 1 (02:37:11):
I do not like that.

Speaker 4 (02:37:13):
So kids, you're not gonna see this clip. Tell your
kids to stop doing that.

Speaker 1 (02:37:17):
That's how my kids are, guys. It's it's it's you know,
eight o'clock, it's time to go upstairs. Garry for bet,
I'll be like seven fifty Like Dad, it's seven fifty eight.
We don't need to go up I'm like like drags
from Guardians or the Galaxy.

Speaker 5 (02:37:28):
How about nothing? How about when you know your kids
remember every one time you you commit to something, but
they don't. Like they're like, Dad, if I do this,
I'll clean up my room, I'll do my homework. But
they never remember that. But if one time you say, hey,
if you do this, you can you know, play games
or get a cookie, They're like, you said this, you
said this. They memorize it, but they never remember what
they said.

Speaker 2 (02:37:47):
Yeah, they're like dude.

Speaker 4 (02:37:48):
My kids will be like I'll tell my daughter, hey,
make sure you do this today, and then at the
end they I'm like, hey, did you do this? Like no,
I forgot. I was like you need to remember, and
she's like tell me how I remember. I don't fucking know.
Just do it, Just do it because I don't know
my daughter, I ask you to do this right.

Speaker 2 (02:38:07):
My daughters too. She'll leverage the thing and then not
do not follow up with the deal, Like I'll have
her shake my hand. I'll be all right, this is
a deal. You gotta shake my hand to shake my hand.
I might give her a piece of a cookie to
finish your dinner. Then she won't finish the dinner.

Speaker 5 (02:38:20):
Yeah, because their emotions, it's chaos. They're emotional terrorists.

Speaker 4 (02:38:24):
Yeah, you gotta hold that cookie over their head till
the dinner. What you gotta do, no question, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:38:28):
Now I said it. I'll just set it far enough
away to where she can't get it. She can see
it and be like, you will get this cookie, but
you've got to eat five more bites.

Speaker 4 (02:38:36):
Another one. Another one, dude, is we will like every
night before bet it's like, hey, five minutes before by
the time I have to give them the notice that
in five minutes we will be going to sleep. But
once that five minutes is up, they also have like
a routine of like having a nighttime snack or having
this and they know when I say five minutes, you've
got five minutes. However, when I get to the end

(02:38:57):
of five minutes ago, okay, bedtime, then they want to
put out the do nick time snack? You said we
do this, You said we do that. It's like brother,
you had five minutes, right, You remember when I said
that we could have got that done and they don't
and then I end up betting the knee.

Speaker 5 (02:39:10):
Yeah, well, what are the two times of the day
where kids are the most difficult. It's like waking him
up and putting him to bed, Like when you work
that that's what you got. Like I see him in
the morning, I see him at night, and like those
are the two most aggravating times a week. And I'm like, man,
who are these kids? They're so pleasant, they're so nice,
but like during the week, I'm like, God, this is frustrated.

Speaker 2 (02:39:27):
You get to bed, it's prutal.

Speaker 5 (02:39:29):
It's a war of attrition.

Speaker 2 (02:39:32):
You either take that dress off or Daddy's gonna have
to take that dress off. And I promise you right
now you're going to be very frustrated. I know you've
learned the one frustrated. You'll be very frustrated and sad
and mad if dad has got to walk over there.

Speaker 5 (02:39:42):
Let me give you some elder advice. When you get
to four kids, you let them sleep in that dress.
You're like, Noah, yeah, whatever you want. Yeah, Like you
realize you don't have unlimited energy and there's only so
many battles, and like I gotta win the toothbrush battle.
You know, I got to win the homework battle.

Speaker 4 (02:39:53):
So I let them.

Speaker 5 (02:39:54):
I give them the dress battle, like, no sleep in
that dress.

Speaker 2 (02:39:57):
That's a small way.

Speaker 4 (02:39:58):
Yeah, yeah, I feel right. Sometimes it gets ticky t.

Speaker 2 (02:40:03):
It's like, well, oh we got to worry about right
now is toothbrush? Get your can close off.

Speaker 1 (02:40:07):
Put them in the laundry.

Speaker 5 (02:40:07):
That's a rookie. That's rookie ball, right.

Speaker 2 (02:40:09):
No, I gotta dance. I gotta spin and she'll start
singing and just spinning and like all you gotta wait
till the ceremony is over.

Speaker 5 (02:40:15):
Yeah, Taylor, I'll go back. One of the things in
my line of work, you meet with a lot of
In commercial real estate, you meet with a lot of
older people, and part of their decision making as it
relates to real estate is legacy, like do I want
to leave these assets to my kids? Do I want
to sell and do something different? And and why this
is relevant to to we spoke about it early on,

(02:40:36):
is is they end up like kind of reflecting on
their life often is like gosh, like I you know,
oftentimes real estate, I wish I bought a different building,
I wish I bought more of these or whatever, and
that conversation leads to I wish I did and or regrets.
It's it's a weird dynamic in commercial real estate brokerage.
And I'll tell you I have. I've been in living

(02:40:56):
rooms and office buildings and conversations with people who are
nearing the end of their life, and I hundreds thousands
of times I say, you know, I wish I had
more kids. I've never met someone who said I wish
I had less. So if you're thinking about having three,
just do it.

Speaker 2 (02:41:10):
Man, did you just want aid me? You?

Speaker 5 (02:41:12):
Just you?

Speaker 4 (02:41:13):
And the podcast the way it started that was incredible.

Speaker 5 (02:41:19):
This is just my experience. Just go for it. You're
never going to regret the kids you have. Yeah, okay,
unless they're really bad.

Speaker 4 (02:41:27):
In his face because you were like, it's so well worded.
You speak good, you speak real good, you speak good. Yeah, top,
I'll have another kid.

Speaker 5 (02:41:43):
If you really are the attraction, you're never going to
be like man, like, you're right, I wish I had less,
but I am.

Speaker 4 (02:41:50):
I'm so happy before my life's at right now. I
enjoy it. I don't care for diapers. I don't care
about that. I enjoy the beginning part, but the process,
I'm not in love with the process. I need to
get back in love with the process of having a kid.

Speaker 5 (02:42:02):
Look you, your family is like a business. You gotta scale,
You gotta hire more, hire, hire someone to change.

Speaker 4 (02:42:07):
I got, I got land that needs working, goats, I.

Speaker 5 (02:42:09):
Got, I got fifty acres. You got like two hundred, man,
trust me, it's cool.

Speaker 4 (02:42:13):
Thirteen. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:42:15):
No, I'm saying I get it like I I I
got sick.

Speaker 4 (02:42:18):
Bro, Yeah, you gotta you got, you gotta orchard. I
got a state. It sounds like that's sick. Two hundred acres, yeah,
out there? And leapers, aren't you?

Speaker 9 (02:42:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:42:28):
Bro boy?

Speaker 8 (02:42:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:42:29):
Nice? Nice? What's with all packers guys moving to uh Nashville?
What's the deal? It's coming out of territory.

Speaker 1 (02:42:35):
I just I think we were just close when we
played while we had success. Now we're just just sticking together. Honest.
I think that's why I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:42:41):
That is awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:42:42):
But at the end, you know, you want to wrap
this up. I can see you taking those deep breaths
a lot.

Speaker 4 (02:42:46):
But like the culture, well, I'm sweating because it's hot.

Speaker 1 (02:42:49):
But but this is what was so and I guesaid,
this is what was so great about our team while
we had so much success, is that draft and developed
guys played seven, eight, nine, ten years there. It wasn't
like you were you know, some of these teams where
they're bringing in free age. We hardly ever brought in
free age. Maybe we did need to do that to
get over the hum but ultimately we had such success
because we had that core nucleus of guys and draft

(02:43:10):
and development. Yeah, and I think that's why you see,
you know, you got Mason Crosby and his family out here,
Randall Cobb, Baktiari. Obviously we moved out here, got some land,
but he's got he's got land all over the world,
so who knows where he's gonna, you know, cultivate. But yeah,
I mean it's I think we just all like being
close to each other and our families are so connected.
From the time we spent in Green Bay.

Speaker 4 (02:43:29):
Dude, you brought up a guy. We love him, David
bat Just by the way, let's give a run a
plus for Dave. Just had a new kid. Actually, yeah,
I saw that, Desmond. Yeah, Yeah, how's uh do what
I was like the ultimate locker room guy.

Speaker 1 (02:43:44):
Dave was like from the moment he got there to
where he finished, I mean, just complete one aid. He
talks to Corey Linsley about this, Like, Dave when he
got there, had his head down and whatnot. Then he
got he got a little taste of success and whatnot,
and then he just be came boch tr d boch.
You know, just like just as you know sixty nine

(02:44:08):
King Dinner for two. You know, like he became a character.
But I love him. I just text him yesterday obviously
when he had his uh, his boy and whatnot. But
we stay in touch. Our parents are close with his parents,
and I know his siblings and whatnot. I love him.
He was a amazing player. It's such a shame that
his uh time there and potentially in the league came

(02:44:28):
to an end with uh good right there with his
knee injury. Because I told im, I text him one
year he had gotten his second or third All Pro
so you're on your way to the Hall of Fame
and you know, but listen, that's a that's a separate
conversation about you know, financial security and getting your money,
and fans don't agree with that. But he's a stud
loved him, still love him. But he's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (02:44:50):
Remember we had him at my house before the draft.
He was coming out of Colorado and he wasn't a
big it's not a recruit, a big prospect in terms
of like a first round guy.

Speaker 2 (02:45:00):
We had him down.

Speaker 5 (02:45:01):
You guys came down the beach and I was just
chatting with him. I was like, Hey, what are you thinking?
Like how's it going. He's like, you know, I'm just
really eager to get an opportunity. I hope to get
drafted mid round, like you know, make a team. Improved myself,
like it wasn't a first round pick where it's like
if you're not going number six, you're pit you're pissed
right and and an incredible career I meant, But I
I got to spend more time with his brother Eric.

(02:45:21):
You guys hung out with Eric. I think we've been
around hung out with Eric. That's a different level of energy,
like just just.

Speaker 1 (02:45:29):
Eye contact, like uninterrupted eye contact, you know. Yeah, his
dad car CYR. Yeah, dude, Dave is so awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:45:39):
And Frankie too. Frankie is all time. She can she
can get after it now now she is fun. Tell
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A yah, babyfaceby what how did that come about?

Speaker 6 (02:47:29):
So?

Speaker 1 (02:47:29):
So Josh, Josh sitting in TJ Lang and obviously David
were huge Pitch Perfect fans, and I have to admit
I hadn't watched it at the time, or maybe I had.
It was just you know, just just logged it away,
and so they were always reaching out. They were dming
the actors in it and the director and I'm forgetting
their names right, still trying to dat or possibly, but

(02:47:50):
so no, they I think one of them said like, hey,
if you ever need you know, what do they call
the background people? And so Elizabeth Banks is her name.
She had reached out and said, hey, you know, my
husband's a huge NFL fan. He's you know, the director
of this and our co director, and we want to
get you guys in. So Dave can He's like, oh,
she responded, bullshit, Like they're going to send over the script.
So it's remember the script, thinking we might have like

(02:48:12):
one or two It was like four to six pages
of like lines, dances, choreography and whatnot. So I think
we went down to Baton Rouge or one of these
Louisiana cities and filmed it over like two or three days.
And I'm telling you it was it was so nerve
wracking just do it because it was it's so out
of our element. You know, we played with a helmet
on and you're one of a team, but you know,
having a dance, we really had to embrace it.

Speaker 5 (02:48:32):
Did a great job. I swear, like more people know
you from that than Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:48:35):
Well nowadays it used to be football. Now there's like
pitch perfect. I'll take it.

Speaker 5 (02:48:39):
I'll tell you like Clay Clay Clay had gotten big,
you know, he was all especially in the NFL. But
when he did, I was like, damn, that guy looks big.
Like I was like, I can go and do some curls.
I was like doing curlsy and and cheeseburg.

Speaker 4 (02:48:49):
When you want when you go into wardrobe, did you
make the decision to figure sleeves off?

Speaker 1 (02:48:52):
Yeah, that was me. So they had me and it's
in fact, I got a lot.

Speaker 5 (02:48:58):
Now question day.

Speaker 4 (02:49:00):
That's nuts.

Speaker 1 (02:49:00):
That's that's like June July, like like yeah, a couple
of push ups before absolutely. Yeah. So so I looked
at the script and they had me in there, and
I go, what if we what if we cut off
my sleeves and like, what if we can rip them off?
And I went and they were they were receptive to it.
So I I haven't cut it off and they had

(02:49:21):
little magnets on it and I was wearing a washer.
They had me take it off and we did a
couple of things, and they just they just they ripped
it off, and.

Speaker 5 (02:49:27):
How many how many roles did you do before that was?

Speaker 1 (02:49:30):
This is the end of the off season, so I
was peak. So I pulled my all.

Speaker 4 (02:49:36):
The July body compared to the January body. Her hands gone, yeah,
this is brutal July.

Speaker 1 (02:49:43):
That's all the thirst picks for my wife were in there. Now,
now I put a sleep with a shirt on.

Speaker 4 (02:49:49):
You do you want to tell me your Delanney story?

Speaker 2 (02:49:56):
Delanny Walker? Yeah, So Delaney had broke his leg. Delanney
was out all year long. We're going on, you know,
we're at the end of the season and it's December
and Delaney's in the hot tub fixing the rehab, and
we go in, you know, to warm up for practice.
So I get in there and Delaney's like, damn, come
you let yourself go. You stop working I was like, what, damn?

(02:50:16):
Why you gotta say you got the tight you got
the tight tights on, I got the muffin top.

Speaker 1 (02:50:21):
You said you.

Speaker 2 (02:50:21):
Stopped working out. I was like, all right, I guess
I'll just join you guys in this hot tub and
have some good advicees before I go out to practice.
Just thinking that I just wanted to kill myself in
that moment.

Speaker 1 (02:50:29):
Well, there's nothing worse. I we brought in like a
freeze halfway through the season. One time, its like forgive me.
It was like a nobody you know, and he comes up.
I'm like, damn, Claire, I thought you were a lot bigger.
I was like, I am, it's just like week eight
and I can't work out like I was. I just
like went home, like because that's the one thing if
you talk to like for me, I don't know how
this is with you guys, but somebody says like, man,
you're looking like trim or skinny or something when they're

(02:50:51):
trying to give you a compliment, that would just mess
with my head. I'm like, no, I look good, Like
what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:50:56):
I would mess with them to people say damn cud
it is holiday season.

Speaker 5 (02:51:01):
I'll mess with them in the office like if somehow
we're you know, just button has to be like hey, man,
you're looking good like you cutting weight, like you're looking
real thin, and like, Wiries, what do you mean?

Speaker 7 (02:51:11):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (02:51:12):
You know? I wish I didn't wiry? Oh ship, oh ship, Yeah,
yeah's got it. He's prepped hearing him talk.

Speaker 4 (02:51:22):
Yeah, he's a little text.

Speaker 5 (02:51:25):
I have a Nashville business journal. And then I have
another interview with a designer from New York. What's your name,
Rebecca Nice?

Speaker 2 (02:51:35):
Hey, guys, this has been so much fun, really a
lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (02:51:40):
Yeah, did you get some time come to UFC fight.

Speaker 2 (02:51:43):
Let's get out there like this one UFC fight. Get
the boys together.

Speaker 4 (02:51:48):
Yea, what I'm saying some fun, But you're.

Speaker 2 (02:51:51):
Saying my fault. I thought you meant like go out
to Vegas, That's what I'm saying. Oh, I was thinking,
like we're here in Nashville, like we just get ye
lit UFC.

Speaker 1 (02:51:59):
Yeah, you can do that as well.

Speaker 4 (02:52:01):
Able to go over to you guys as five thousand acres. Well,
we'll all sit in different spots, your shirt.

Speaker 5 (02:52:07):
Shirts space, and we'll all have our own couch because
this is like super close. This time we had some
bigger ones.

Speaker 4 (02:52:13):
We'll figure it all.

Speaker 2 (02:52:15):
Yeah, it'll be fun, all right, boys, Hey, big huns,
Donny kiss the subscribe, make sure you are leaving comments.

Speaker 4 (02:52:21):
See you.

Speaker 2 (02:52:22):
Hey, that was fun.

Speaker 9 (02:52:23):
That was

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