Eric Wood

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's up? Boys?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to another episode of Busting with the Boys. I
am your host Will Compton, my co host Taylor Lawan.
He is in Canada for the next month. The boy
is going out his wife Taylor and shout out Taylor,
no free shouts of tailing.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
She is from Canada.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
She hasn't been home in three years, so they're spending
some time out in Canada. The boy's gonna get busy
out there. It got the whole gym set up. He's
like the fucking rock dude. He's got his Iron Paradise
set up out there. They're on a beautiful lake. But
he's gonna be living the dream for the next month.
But you got your boy. This is gonna be our
last week of doing where we drop two episodes. So
you're gonna have Eric Wood today and then on Thursday,

(00:40):
we got a nice little surprise the boy, the boy
George Kittle, he's coming through to co host with me,
shout out tight in you a little bit. But this
will be the last week for two episodes per week.
We go back to our regular programming.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Go back to regular programming. One a week. We drop
on Wednesdays. We will change all this stuff for you.
We will update you guys on social media at BUSTINWTB,
but we are going back to one a week, dropping
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Speaker 1 (01:11):
You're listening right now. Do the boys a solid.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
You guys fucking help us out tremendously when you download
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that shit, and then of course video drops on YouTube
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Speaker 1 (01:25):
But before we.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Get in and everything, we got to shout out the
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Speaker 1 (01:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:33):
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(01:55):
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Speaker 1 (02:19):
But go buy yourself a Chevy Silverado.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
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Nothing is more American than being in a Chevy Silverado. Strong, advanced, dependable,
and hard working, just like you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
All right, what can we talk about now? Boys?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I don't have my compadre Taylor here. What is new
stuff for us? Before we get into talking all things, Eric,
would we got some house cleaning we would like to
take care of. If you're watching right now, you're gonna
see the boys repping a new colorway of the dad hats,
the dad ropats. I'm wearing a black one white riding
white rope.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
It is fire. We got a lot of new.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Colorways for the for the dad hats, for the girl
dad hats that are there right now. There's a wait
list right they're sold out. I think we're on a
waiting list. A lot of new colorways coming with that too,
Navy blue with the white, black with the white. There's
a lot of different several colors that are coming with that.
So be on the lookout for new merch. But we

(03:16):
have new merch going on right now. You see your
boys rocking. My favorite sure right now of the year
is the uh Walmart looking for the boys, fucking eagle
talents grabbing the bus, electricity everywhere for the boys in red,
white and blue. This is what I'll be repping on
the fourth of July. I will probably be repping the
new tanks that we created. So we had such a

(03:37):
good uh, we had such good feedback with these teas
that we have now made them in in tanks possibly cruise. Yeah,
there's cruise right there. We got swimming trunks, we got
button downs for the summer vibes. We got everything you
need at stored up store dot barstool sports dot com.
Click brands on one of the tabs, scroll down just

(03:58):
to tad because we're in the bees and it'll be
busting with the boys. Click on that and we've got
everything that you need right there. In our store.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
What else?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I hit the episodes? How are episodes? We're going back
to regular programming. I hit the merchandise, the fire shit
that we get. The boys got going on right now?

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Uh yeah, we you already said something about tightening you,
and I'm sure we'll dive into yesday.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, tight en You is coming to town. It's currently Tuesday.
You guys are listening. Everybody's flying in today. George kitt Ole,
Travis Kelsey, Greg Olsen. They are putting these boys like
they are having the highest of vibes for like a
position group in the NFL. They're staying at the freaking
I probably shouldn't say where they're staying at. I was
about to say, but they're staying in a nice little hotel.

(04:44):
They're gonna have a lot of camaraderie. They're working with
college kids. They are working with the Boys and Girls Club.
They're doing a lot of good shit. Man, shout out
tighten you. Free shouts to the boys, just because they're
the boys. Greg he's a big friend of the Pot.
He's actually one of the boys. We're hoping to get
Greg Olsen on the POT. I have heard room that
Josh Allen Buffalo Bill's quarterback is in town.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
That would be electric. We will do whatever pos.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Talk about him on the episode You're about to listen
to with Eric Wood.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, there you go. Shout out fucking Jack for that
heads up play. We talk about Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Eric Wood comes on the podcast Boys. He's a former
Buffalo Bill. He was forced to retire and end his
career after a Pro Bowl season because of a bad
severe neck injury. The dude number one Jack. I would
say he's in the tier of like Joe Thomas after
retiring and you go from fat to fit.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
I think when he came on, Taylor was like, that's
me when I leave football.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
He's like, got so hyped about it. It was just
I can't wait too.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
He's got a bit of a chest though, you know
what I mean, Like Taylor, I feel like if he's
got to get some.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
No I, you's got to get them shelves. You gotta
get them shelves on the chest.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Google Eric Wood that the photos you see on Google
are not the same guy.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Dude, Dude, Google Eric Wood.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
He's got some funny because he's got the curly hair,
he's got the blonde curly hair.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
You can he's got some funny choby picks and dies
for ball. He was such a dude. He was all
about ball.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
We get into a lot of obviously Buffalo Bill's talk
the time he was with Buffalo, how they're good now,
how they were shitty back then, why he thought they
were shitty back then. We talk about how his career ended,
how he dealt with that transition. We kind of dive
into that because the man's an entrepreneur, he does a podcast,
he's in the media game, he does a lot of
really cool shit. Because we talk about how football player

(06:25):
struggle was like finding that next high, like that that
next roller coaster after being in the league. You spend
your entire life playing football, dreaming of playing football, being
a professional football player.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
You played at the highest level.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
You have all these highs, like the stardom, the fame
that comes with it, the money, all of the all
of the benefits of being a professional athlete, and then
when that gets kind of taken from you, like you
feel like everything can be a little boring, right, because
you're so used to like riding this high. And so
we talk a lot about like chasing that next high,
like what was it for him when he got out

(06:57):
of it? Tells a hilarious Ritchie and Cognito story. We
talk about a lot of fun shit. He talks about
Ryan Fitzpatrick. This was before Fitzmagic retired. Our tear talk
was top beers. We talk about JJ Watt, Thanksgiving, gaining weight,
a lot of fun stuff that I think you guys
are really gonna enjoy. But Eric Wood was a stud.

(07:17):
You guys might be thinking, I don't know if this
pods for me. I swear to god, this is a
very good conversation you guys who like love the names
and everything else. Yeah, with Eric Wood, Like, he is
a stud, but he's an old lineman. He's not like
a big name. He's not a name. But as far
as conversations go, this was a fucking banger. Boys, I'm
telling you, but make sure to subscribe. Raate do all
that stuff. Oh yeah, we talk about a lot of

(07:39):
his injuries outside of his neck as well, but anything
else before we get into the episode. Boys, am I
missing anything? I hope you guys all had a wonderful
Father's Day. It was my first one. I absolutely loved it.
My wife started the morning off with a card, holding
ruin her arm, snuck upstairs, got Rue, brought her down.
Made it seem like ruis giving me the card is
the cutest thing in the world, and just got me

(07:59):
in my feels immediately brought up my mom in the
cart and all the good stuff. The boy was rolling
in tears a little bit right out of bed. She
had some I was like, oh, bye, you know how
the boy, You know how your boy's on his diet shit.
But you know, on weekends, we paused a diet from
five pm on Friday and we kick it back up
at ten pm on Sunday and so on.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
When it was Father's Day.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I was like, oh sweet, it's a little late, and
I'm gonna give a free shot out right here, but
it's no free shoutouts. But it's a little late to
get bright Side Bakery. And she looked at me and
she so sorry, got you, babe. I ordered him for
pick up because bright Said bakery sells out.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Within an hour.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
They opened up at eight o'clock. By the time we
picked him up at nine to fifteen on the door,
it sets sold out. But they obviously if you order
ahead of time, you go and pick up your box.
No free shouts at bright Side Bakery. For the love
of God, we would love some gift cards since we're
giving you a lot of love because your pastries are
fucking a one.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
And then we went over to Mike Chandler's. Had a great.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Pool pool day, get some rays, grilled carnivore diet, and
we had.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Some high vies.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Man, the boy had a stogy. I was in the dream.
We had little ruin the pool and stuff like that.
But I had a phenomenal Father's day. I hope all
the dads you guys did out there as well, and
everybody took care of their old man or their husband.
But other than that, man, let's jump into the episode.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Were good. They're old boys.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
You gonna and one of these are we just you
can just roll it into it.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
We can do it. I can shout out Duke Cannon
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Speaker 1 (09:23):
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Speaker 2 (09:23):
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can't smell me. But even though you're watching me right now,
but the boy, I do run hot.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I sweat all the time.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
If I get a little bit of caffeine in me,
I get my anxiety spikes a little bit, I will
start pitting no matter what. With du Canon, they have
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Am I saying that right? What are their ingredients? It's
like it's like a glacier sitting under your armpits throughout
the day. I sort of got I feel it right now,
right when you put on. It smells nice, It feels
nice throughout the day. But one of my favorite sens

(09:56):
is that sandal Wood cologne.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I take the Sandalwood Colone.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
If you could smell my wrists right now, if you
can smell my neck, you'd want to take me right
here on the bus, but you can't. But the Sandalwood
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Speaker 1 (10:21):
The scrubber sailor.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
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(10:44):
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Speaker 1 (10:49):
Oh yeah, now I.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Can say it because we're still in the We're still
in the episode. Now we're gonna get back to the episode.
This is episode one sixty two with Eric Wood busting
with the boys. You guys love it because we love you, guys.
Biggest of pugs and tinies of kisses.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Hey, my daughter, My daughter pooped in the toilet yesterday
by herself, Willow. And she's just like low key, just
poty training herself right now. She's gonna be two in July.
She's like, shees her sister Daning and she's like, I
just want to do that, So I take her diaper
off and run over. So I just got I just
got a text about it. Do uh tam from Tailing
to like the rest of the family, and she had

(11:25):
like four times this week pee and pooped in the toilet.
How sick is that? That's herself at the ties at
the time frame, like if from one day time, like
when was like two and a half when we were
like it was probably like a little earlier than two
and a half, but like we started like all right,
we got to do the party. Now, we gotta do this,
and she picked it up pretty fast. But Willa is

(11:46):
just like I'm doing all this shit. Yeah, she's trying
to be like her sister. How many kids you have?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
We have two, six and four.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Our little boy he was like three and a half,
taking big boy dumps, like in my size kid taking
big boy dumps in you doing. Our daughter was like
the same way nineteen months Yeah, in her pants again,
that's wild.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Like girls think it's sick, boys are like screwed.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
My daughter takes the biggest shits my oldest. Her ships
are like adult sized. She goes in there, no problems,
screams at me, which rumps in a wiper and you
just go and look at it and you're like, yeah,
I had to get a picture of this is into somebody.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
It's unbelievable, dude.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
And Ryan Fitzpatrick's text chain is eighty percent kids dumps.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Each other. Yeah. Yeah, his youngest is three, and he
can rip.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
Themhing to rip them, like something you'd find in the
locker room.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Uh but even this morning, like when you come in parents,
like there's no more like my time, Like if you
have to the bathroom and mom's not around, like that
happened this morning, and I had to take a dunk
and I was like, I guess you guys are coming
with me. So I have a picture of my daughter
she's like plugging her nose, and my youngest is kind
of just like looking with So it's just like me
kind of looking like what's going on in there? And
I finished, and god forbid, I flushed it before they

(13:02):
saw it. They had to take a look at it,
inspect it, give it its own grade, like it was unbelievable.
See what they were all about it. It's weird. Things
are hilarious, bro hilarious individuals. They're just like kind of
drunk people or like drug addicts, like they're super happy
and they're super mad. Then all of a suden're trying to
kill themselves for no reason. That's a that's a bit
some comedian did back clarified that that's.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
A bit your kids aren't trying to kill it.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
But you know what I'm saying, Like my daughter will
like all of a sudden be like climbing up her
high chair and like standing on her high shir It's
like you just gonna die, like what, You're a high
ledge and you could follow at any moment going down
the stairs right at any point.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you're trying to
grab Willow's hand, and Willow's misindependent, Yeah she is.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah, Yeah, were over at the house today, well, And
the oldest are always more cautious, Like we didn't even
have to child prove our house for our daughter. Some
comes along it's like everything needs to be childprooved, like
get the baby gates out and everything.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
We didn't have to do any of that with my daughter.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Little boys or different animals, especially if they're the second
Why is it, I don't know. It's like something about
that oldest mentality, Like the oldest ones are more mature,
they're more cautious, they're rule followers.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
The second one. I don't know why. It's like, get
a psychologist in here to explain it.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I mean Cody, Cody's more of, like a way more
of a wild card than me. I'm the oldest, so
I would like, yeah, that kind of makes sense. Yeah,
I feel like the oldest usually are kind of like that,
and then the middle child, second child, they're kind of
just like, what the fuck's that?

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Dudes.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Deal a little different for me because my brother, my
dad called him the Golden boy growing up.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
He was always he as younger than me.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
He always came home, did his homework, first star athlete,
was killing it, and I was kind of like your
wild card and.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
You're the oldest.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
I'm the oldest. It's definitely flips now though. Did you
drink formula? I did for a little bit. Yeah, I
was like a little how I came out six pounds.
I was tiny, Yeah, I mean I did for a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Pounds. My brother was My brother was a month early,
was four and a half pounds. Damn. Yeah. They fit
like in the palm of my dad's say. It was
crazy wild.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
But you're talking about Ryan Fitzpatrick, like, hey, everybuddy I've
ever talked to.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
You, like I missed him.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
I was like a year before year after he was
at the Titans is he like the coolest dude ever?

Speaker 1 (15:06):
What he is.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
He's got absolutely no ego, which is not super rare
but fairly rare for a quarterback. They have zero ego,
Like go into a game like Fitch, you've got to
slide today, like we we can't win if we have
our backup in there, Like you've got to slide.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
But he has no ego.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
I always say everyone from the mailman in the building
to the GM to every player, he's everybody's favorite dude.
He's not like a party animal off the field, but
you get him out a couple times a year. Yeah,
he's just he gets along with everybody, and everybody's walcome
at his house. You know, he's got seven kids now,
but like everybody on the team's welcome at his house,
from the DB's to the wide receivers to the old

(15:45):
line whoever may be. Like everyone's at his house. I mean,
he's just he's the real deal. But it's it's consistency,
you know what I mean, Like no ego. Every single day,
comes in, ready, works, works his stay off, not in
the weight room, not a waightroom guy at all.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Guy No, like he's got a great like chest, hair, body, though.
You know what I'm saying that dad bod Yeah he does.
He's got a great style about him.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, but like he'll drive a strength coach nuts, but
he will grind on some film. But hard work are great. Dude,
one of my best friends of this day. You got
it hasn't come out yet, and I have no idea
how I gotta show you what he wore to the
Masters this weekend. So him, he goes to the Masters
every year with his dad and his brothers. So he
sends me this picture the other day and.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
We should want So there's him and his brother just
phenomenal beards. It's unreal, like these suit jackets with teal. Yeah,
turn you turn and show the cameras. Outstanding, That's what

(16:47):
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I feel like his popularity probably went up even more
when McGregor was like a superstar.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
And then gmcgregor and then the ego. The rest are
just kids, don't pick. But did he he was the
bills with you, Yeah he did. He give you the
yetti cooler with his face on it. Just all the
guys that the Tennessee got, yep, and the guy's at Houston.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
God, that's like his go to gift.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
That's his go to gift for a guy with no ego,
to give you a yetti with his picture on it.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, kind of streams differently a little bit.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
People see them, they're like, is that Zach Brown because
it's like the beard and the he had on.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
But I'm like, no, it's Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
But when he got his extension with the Bills, that
was his like big payday. He got like a five year,
sixty million dollar deal, which was okay money at the time,
like top fifteen starter mine.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Oh where what it is now?

Speaker 5 (17:31):
No, not at all, but that was kind of mid tier,
Like he knew he wasn't going to break the bank,
but he wanted his stick in a situation. And man,
a year and a half later, he broke his rids
and didn't tell anybody. He played like crap the rest
of the season. They going to cut him, draft DJ
Manual and I honestly think we could have built something
up there at that time.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I mean, I'm the eternal optimist.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
You know, every year played in the longest playoff ro
out in all professional sports at the time, and.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Every year was our year. You know. Yeah, looking back,
and you guys came in.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
When you guys came in, there was a spending floor,
like teams had to spend a certain amount. Not when
I first got in the league, like our team, when
I look back at my rookie year, we had a
few big names that could sell some tickets too, Lee Evans,
our quarterback was Trent Edward's fits was the backup at first.
But like we were terrible and we spent no money,

(18:20):
like really back It's like, man, that wasn't even fair,
Like we were out there risking our bodies and like
we weren't even putting the money out there to do it.
But our owner, Ralph wils was on his deathbed. So
you have other people like can we spend all this money?

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Can we do this? Do that?

Speaker 5 (18:35):
Google has a bought the team totally different. Look how
they're spending money now, Like I.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Have no idea.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
I had no idea how Brandon Bean has gotten all
these guys under the cap. This year they're bringing in everybody.
They're bringing von They do josh As deal. Last year
they just redo digs deal, de Kwan Jones. They bring
him in, Rod and Staffold you know, which is funny.
And we got to get to talking the Little Bills
Titans at some point. Absolutely the Bill's nemesis, like last

(18:59):
year was teams that can get physical with him, which
everybody built their defenses now to defend the Chiefs in
the AOC. And then you get a team like you
guys and just run over them. Well, now I think
they're like, man, we need a little bit of that attitude.
And then they just go right to the Titans, bring me,
bring in Saffold and Dai Kwan Jones and you know
them way better than me. But I think they think
they're gonna come in and be more tone setters for them.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Yeah, Rogers one of the best run blocking guards I've
ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Good, he's average.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Cost me for my life, bro, it's not even as
well like I've seen him do that to everybody, bro everything.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
The only person I han't seen him do that to
his high tower.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, he would just try and make me feel better,
but I'd be like, hey, comp I got I got
somebody this week, and then he'd like show me in
a beg.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Well I do feel better than yeah, just just everybody.
But what's the weakness of his game?

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Why is is I'm not here to I'm not here
to talk about Rogers weeks.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I'm not gonna soil my boy. He was okay, so uh.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
I will tell you like Roger's conditioning is incredible. He's
a hard worker. He's always grunning in the weight room.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I think.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I think he's gonna do really well at the Bills.
It seems like your coach is a guy that kind
of keeps hit guys together, like kind of.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Like Rabel does.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
He's got to lead a leader of men mentality, and
he guys got all the pieces already.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
The Bills are that fucking team.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
I came at the Bills I think after it was
like my first game back from suspension, and I started
talking shit to Shaq laws in Shack Lawson, Yeah out
of nowhere and the Bills and this is like not
even really playing, and they the Bills mafia fucked my
world up on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Absolutely strong, dude. They are so strong.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
It's like you want that as as a player, Like
you want your fan base to be like that. And
even for me, like going to see those fan base,
it's like it's fucking wild out there. Yeah, valls are
the same way. Shout out Jack back there, the volunteers
go hard. But yeah, I think I think Roger's gonna
do a great job.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
Aaron Kromer, who he had in LA right, Yeah, Yeah,
Chromer's awesome. I played for Chromer. He's one of the
best offensive line coach in the league. He's like he
learned under Howard Mudd and Bill Callahan, so he's got
like a little bit of that, like we're tougher than them,
go drive them off the ball. But then he teaches
you what I called the ninja tricks of o line,
like grapping the hand down the hand, reach around, grabbed
their hip.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
I did it to Bobby Wagner at the Pro Bowl
one time, Like I let him get past me, and
then we were running outside and so I just grabbed
his opposite hip and just threw him up towards the field.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Bobby turned around like, what the hell was that little
ninja trick? Brother, litt ninja trick?

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (21:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
When I was at the Pro Bowl in sixteen, the
coaches were I think the the San Diego Chargers at
the time, and the line coach was like literally teaching
that to us in the individual drill. Yeah, I believe
that was I don't know.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
It was Aaron's assistant, Thrumer's assistant in Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
He was incredible. He was like, all you got to
do is grab the hip.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
So I like, you know, our on line coach at
the Titans, He's very like, this is how you do it.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
That's how you do it. There's no other way to
do it. This is the way.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
And I pulled one of those out in Houston, like
grabbed the dude's hip. He totally beat me off. The
ball got to step through him. I was like fifteen yards.
I'm like, fuck, that shit works. Every ref around was like, hey,
don't do that. I know, you know, they kind of
gave me the warning. But yards were made, baby, I
know I was about it. Yeah, those little tricks are something.
The issue with having tricks as an offense alignment is

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a lot of guys like to use that as like
their fastball, when it's like, no, that's a change up.
You gotta if you want to flash the hand, do
you want to jump set or like different things like
you gotta have your go to every time and then
a switch up to keep him on their toes.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
No doubt at center, you can't really do it a tackle.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
But my biggest changeup was like, and I would only
do it if I had a dude who I was
gonna struggle with in passpor but take my off hand
and just pop them right on the forehead.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
That's a big thing for centers, right. You know, do
you ever do you ever meet a David Molk? He
played for the Eagles and the Charges for a little bit,
hit a couple of coffee in the league.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, but he was the Remington Award winner. Yeah, he had.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
He won the Remington Award at Michigan, And that was
his big thing is if there was a dude.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
He was a smaller guys, strong as a Knox though.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
He's like anytime the guys didn't give an issue, I
fucking just jammed right in the face right away and
then back up and then guy's kind of disoriented.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yep, it's a genius move.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
And then you buy a second and most pass plays
left two and a half seconds, so now you got
a second and a half the block of guys opposed
to two and a half seconds. Yeah, but you can't
do it every time, and then the refs don't like
it either, right, because it catches them off guard, like, well,
what'd you do is the hands of the face. I'm like, yeah,
I mean I threw my hand to hit him in
the chest. He ducked his head. I mean, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
And there's always a greary.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
It's kind of like at their discretion when they can
call it because you can grab the face mask if
you pull off. Some refs are cooler about that. But
if you just have it up there for a little bit,
your ass is getting called.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Oh, no doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
And like for me, the umpires behind me so all
the time, Like I'm a taller center, so all the
time people get me right under the chin and just
drive me back. I'm like, turn it around midplay, like
what but they can't see through you.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
And also the quarterbacks right behind you have the running back.
You guys are kind of in a little cluster.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I know.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
In the beginning of my career it was I didn't
play the game with the refs. It was like, you know,
butter them up, shake their hands, house life, Oh you
had kids, the whole thing. I didn't do that, So
I do something they would the a fact, I mean
a flag at me. Hey, that was just a misfranspronunciation.
Please don't come at the boy, but they would throw
a flag and I'd get it. I'd be like, what
the fuck are you doing kind of go at them.

(24:05):
And as I've gotten older, I was like, you just
they're humans, So if you're just nice to them a
little bit, they'll come work with you.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
And now you start to know the guys and stuff
like that. It's a it's.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Chess, dude, early different games it is. Earlier in my career,
I thought I was coach k out there. I mean
I was all over the refs, hammering them, hammering them.
I had back to back double holding call games, which
is an offensive line, just absolute nightmare sound games a
year four and I was like, man, I need a
totally different approach. I went into every game the rest
of my career knew the umpire's name. If we had

(24:34):
them before, It's like, okay, when do we have him,
I'll talk to him about that.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Hey, here's what I'm gonna do with my silent count today.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
Let me know if there's an issue, Hey, did you
see anything on film?

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Alignment issues?

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Give us a warning and dude, the whole game, they'd
be like, get your tackle up. Is it supposed to
throw in the flag? It's like, man, why the heck
what did I do with that? The whole time of
my career. But I was also a little bit of
a psychopath early my career. My rookie year at at Tennessee,
Dan and Bosh played Nebraska with one of my teammates
and good buddes, Chris Kelsey, who just absolute meatheads.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well, I basketbays I got.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
I was playing guards at the time, and I just
wiped Van and Bosh out of the pocket, got him
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
One time he was bull rushing our tackle.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Well, we throw a pick six, and it's like a
quick pick six, so the dude runs in the end zone.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
They got off a hitch or something like that, like
in the third minute.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
And Vandon Bosh after they scored, comes and just wipes
me out fifteen yard penalty, big fine, and Any went
in the locker room after the game, didn't even shake
hands with Kelsey.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
His college roommate goes like, what the hell did you
do to Vandabosh.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
I was like, dude, I was wearing him out there
another games, like talking so much trash if he's probably
thirty five years old, Like, well, this dude, just shut
up and leave me alone.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
They're smoking us, like out there having fun.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
The thing about like coming going into guys like when
you slide in slide protection or something like that, the
three technique makes an inside move and he's gonna fuck
them up or something like that. That's kind of gone
away a little bit. They're definitely big on, like no
blindside heads or so they don't even weird wiping out
the pocket.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
It's weird. Yet Ben was one of the best at that.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah, Like Ben would sit there, he had nothing to
do and go smoke somebody and hear him his big
hit ass just kind of laughing in the corner as
he did something. But they're like they're kind of big on, like, hey,
don't do that anymore, which sucks because for me, if
I have like a two I or a nose and
I have an end right here and he's gonna bull
rush me, like I want my guard to couldn't clean
that up. Or if he goes inside, I want my
guard to fuck him up a little bit because he knows, like,

(26:22):
all right, we gotta play the outside game now. Now
we're playing basketball, and that's that's my game, you know
what I'm saying, Especially in pass bro.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
No doubt about it. I know it.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
I would always try and set vertical off the ball,
make that three technique, think he had a two way
go and think he could spin and man, you catch.
There's no better feeling as a center than when you
see that three technique spin and you know you're just
gonna clean him as soon as he turns his head.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Did you see Quentin Nelson?

Speaker 4 (26:43):
I think it was like two years ago against the
Chargers Melvin Ingram and he does spin move, uh.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Laid him down? H Yeah? What was his name? The Castro?

Speaker 4 (26:52):
No, not, the Castro was a guard, Castanza, the left tackle.
He does spin on him and he fucking cleans them,
absolutely murder. It was one of the most beautiful blocking plays.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Where Nelson does things on a football field for a
guard that just like shouldn't happen.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
What do you think it makes him so special? I
think he's really smart.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Now he's like super talented, but I think the way
he the way he's able to pick stuff up and
what he does now he's mean, but then like he
plays with a ton of attitude. But then you'll hear
him miked up and he like picks a dude up,
like hey, my bad or you all right, yeah, how
do you switch it on?

Speaker 1 (27:23):
And not like that?

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Like I'm either like like I hated playing against domeatop
Peco because he was so nice. He would get me
out of my game, right, he has the fan and
so like the whole game he'd be like, butter me up,
and then all of a sudden he like gets my
hand and like hits the quarterback. I'm like like you
got me, you got me, And so like I don't
know how Quinn Nelson turns it on and off. But

(27:44):
he's got a great combination of size, speed, strength, and
then I think he's really smart.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, he does a lot of stuff.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
He gets away with a lot of stuff as far
as like grabbing guys in the outside. He's got a
great reputation. I know a lot of guards like to
talk trash on him, but that's my boy.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
The thing is when you work out with him, guy's
got a tank like no one else. When it comes conditioning,
he can just roll all day. He's talking shit. But
then you go and like hang out and he's like
super mild manner, the nicest guy in the world.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Like he's just awesome to be around, even around cue.
He's a sweetheart. He's a sweetheart, dude. You just look
at him.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
You're like, this, dude's a fucking tank, right, just a
massive individual, individual, giant traps like kind of walks around
and it's just like hold monster.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
When they stuck came out at left tackle, he really
showed off his athleticism.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, a lot of guards can pop out the player.
Yeah that's wild.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
That's a different animal playing left tackle. You bump out
the right and you got the tight end on your
side and all that.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
It's fine.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
You got the left tackle on an open edge against
the defensive ends that are going to go against you,
and they just pop him out there and.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
He just doesn't even blink. It unbelievable. Just a couple
of hogs talking ball.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I love the old war story. You say one, Taylor
thinks about a memory, He says one. You remember, you
say one. Both pro bowlers just hogs in the trenches.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Dude.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
You I looked over and saw your busting hat and like,
my wife is always cool, Like we're down here celebrating
our tenure aiversary and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna go,
thank you, thank you, And uh so she wanted to
take a nap anyways before the Garth concert tonight, but
I was like, hey, I'm gonna go to a podcast
and we listened to the Pat McAfee one on the
way down.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Like she knew who Pat was. We listened to that
on the drive down.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
But we were walking around the Gulch today and someone
had one on one of those hatches, like someone random,
and I was like, that's the podcast and she's like,
that's pretty tight that, Like people were just walking around
Nashville with the year on it. I know a bunch
of people do that like that like set it in
so and that it was like pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
I podcast, no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Oh yeah, with a real deal Like this is a huge,
great point everybody listening right everybody listening right now needs
to go.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
To our merch store and cops some merse bussing through.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
That's probably in all of our links, your Twitter, my Twitter,
Everyone's Twitter.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, it's gonna be in the link.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
But yeah, dude, it's crazy how Nashville is kind of
like taking us in. You know, it's been Willow and
played here for two years, had a little bug fly.
Yeah it's just one year, bro, and it's crazy because
you will go out now and any like, if I
go anywhere, it's like I get at least one the boys.
I'm like walking mindy, kind of like throw up a
quick deuce as you're walking.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
I've heard you guys talk about this over the years.
Has it quieted down as far as Oh Taylor had
a holding call, must be too worried about the podcast?
Like has that quieted down?

Speaker 4 (30:21):
I think we've quieted it down in our heads, like
it's fine.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
It's once.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
It's like no, no, it's yeah, it's just as bad
as it was. I think, like what people don't realize
is every NFL player is doing something in the off season, right,
whether it's playing video games, whether it's doing this real
estate deal, whether you're trying to have your money they
made in the league make more money. I'm just doing
it on a public platform that everyone can see, right.
That's what people really don't understand. It is like we

(30:47):
show up here for an hour and a half and
I take a couple hours throughout my day and like
tweet and do shit and fuck around, and that's really like, right,
and we're just doing something months that's up, dude.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
If I just caught that. I know.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I was hype and I could do it, but the
other of us got and I'm thinking, I'm gonna snatch
this thing.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh you lying, but yeah it is, Yeah, go ahead.
I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I feel like, like if I'm a fan and I'm
thinking about Taylor and chirping Taylor, like the holding calls
and stuff like that, because I've I've kind of seen
it happen, right like the first year it started. It
was after my first year at the title. Yeah, I
catch trace. But it's hilarious though. I mean, obviously I
love this.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
So they'll blame you if Taylor does something bad.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
No, I mean I might get tagged and stuff. People
won't like blame me.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
I might.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
They might barely say something, and then I'll make it
seem like they're actually trying to blame me just to
fucking have fun with it. But like, so the first
time you got to see it, Taylor was coming off
the ped suspension. That's when we first started the podcast,
So Taylor was in a suspension.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I was.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
I got hurt in New Orleans, so I wasn't playing
either the first part of the year. So Taylor's going
back and playing and he's you know, whether it's a
holding penalty or jump a false art penalty or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Like there's a lot of truth.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
It was very new is year one, right, and we
were the only NFL to players doing that, and uh
so there would be a lot of trips there to
where like made you tight because it was our first
year doing it.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Even made me uncomfortable. I'm like, fuck, should we even.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Be doing this right now that we've gotten used to
it and it's it's been established, like Taylor proves that
he does both things. Now, if you're a troll trying
to get in, I won't say our heads like Taylor's
head or something like that, or try to make it
seem like something. You actually need to see him mess
up for real to even say anything. Because now, like
you know, the tier ones, like everybody out there understands

(32:33):
the game and they understand if anybody says anything, everybody's
jumping on this person, like let them know like that
you're being a fucking idiot, right, do me a favor?

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Shut the fuck up? Type of yeah, right, If.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I'm like, if I'm chirping in year one and now
I've kind of cooled off because of whether we've snap
back or people snap back at you. Now you actually
need to see one of us fail to try and
really reach in there and try to grind somebody's gears.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
That's how I kind of see the development over there.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Right, because you have to interact with the audience or
else you don't want to.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Build it up.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Oh you put it on, Nick Lombardi, the Titans gonna
won by at least twenty eight points of Taylor One
didn't have a podcast.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
That's It's like, you have to be active on social
media to promote a podcast, so you're going to see
that stuff. Otherwise I'd be like, dude, just completely ignore it,
just go about your business. But you can't do that
because you're trying to promote the podcast in the brand.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
And it's a super dramatic change for me. Like you're
talking about turning it on and off like during the season.
I'm kind of like not really on social media. I
am on social media, but on like a normal person
amount you know what I'm saying. Like right now, it's
like a coble hours a day during the bars a day,
and we fuck around. We treat we treated like a
like a group text like We're always like chirping. All
the boys are always talking and stuff like that, and

(33:46):
it's just fun. Like the whole thing are you're just
fighting chirps on this Twitter right now? I just feel
like laughs in the back.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
What did you say, Oh, Taylor want podcast? Yeah? So like,
but the thing that.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Will was talking about that's super cool is like, as
we've gotten going and like these year ones are kind
of like just riding and dying with us, Like we
have our own little like kind of squad that like
just kind of loves us and we love them back,
and they kind of just go for bat, like go
to bat.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
For us, which is awesome. That's awesome. Weird. Week one
was tough.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Week one was Week one was hard. Taylor Jones and stuff.
He's on the Cardinals. Their social media.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Share social media posted a picture of Tandler Jones and
it said h busting with the Boys on top of it.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I was like, yeah, I go.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Taylor Jones was with the boys Now the only game
of my life where I was like, how do I
get the fuck out of here?

Speaker 1 (34:28):
You know what I'm saying. Taylor came back in the game,
he got booed like it was fucking up there.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I'm sitting up there like, oh shits sitting with my wife.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, I was it coming off the A C L.
Was it just certain, like you.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Know, I could go sit here and have a lot
of excuses, like I think, like the strength, the conditioning,
the confidence just wasn't there at that point.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
And it took me, like I would say, almost half
the season to kind of start feeling like okay, like
I'm going back to doing my thing. But I was
even telling Mike, just Mike on the podcast yesterday when
he was on that you know, even at the end
of the season, my leg's not as strong as it was,
and I'm like, how am I blocking guys now?

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Like there was never like a true confidence during the season.
Towards the end it got a whole lot better.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
But yeah, it was just it was just up and down,
especially and there was a bunch of issues with the
knee there. I had like a bunch of I got
a toe thing at one point at the next thing,
and it was just like a whole bunch of shit.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
I'm like, dude, like I can't, just I can't.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
I was the tourniquid at to stop the bleeding and
so but it's been all that that's happened has made
me much more present and grateful for what I'm doing now.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Wow, because I wasn't allowed to.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
I couldn't even run till like June last year, And
today I just ran a ship lo I, I damn
near passed that on the football field, and I was like,
this is just fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
It's just cool to do it and and like really
enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
And it's like the ebbs and flows of football, of
anything you really do in life. Those lows make those
highs feel so much better. I'm stoked. I'm stoked for
this year. I think it's gonna be awesome. I think
we got a squad on us. I think the Bills rip,
but you know we won the last Everyone thought Rogers
was going to go somewhere. I'm like, I know he
ain't going to the a f C.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
He's not. He's not popping over there to compete with
all those It's crazy. AFC's like the juggernaut right now,
I know it. It's wild. It got Brady didn't jump over.
West is a juggernaut.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
If I was playing offensive line in the a f C, West,
I would just be like just trade me. You know
what I mean if you're a tackle out there. I
mean they've picked up so many pass rushers.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Out there, Leil Mack and Joey Boss on the Chargers,
you got Chandler and uh, your boy Crosby on the Raiders.
You got Frank Clark and Chris Jones on the Chiefs.
And then who's the last one in that division, Denver
and you got Bradley Chubb over there too. Yeah, it's
a fucking studs. Like, hey, boys, buckle your fucking chin

(36:49):
straps a little tighter.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Good luck on the inside, it's not. In fact, the
Titans play the a FC West is here nice especially
I get trade.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
Bill's brought in von Miller and I was stoked about that.
I love Vaughn, loved him forever.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
He thought on Vina, where is that his crew right now?

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Well, I think the Bills are as good as anybody
at managing players' bodies. They brought in my last year,
they brought in these this. I don't think there are
a couple, but a male and a female. Both their
names are Joe Joe and Joe Sure. They're both from London.
They worked in Premier League soccer forever managing player's body.
So they came in and basically oversaw everything, and they're like, no,

(37:29):
I think these guys any more.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Rest days and all that.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Like if you watch the Bills injury port throughout the week,
they give more players rest days than anybody in the league.
Stefan Diggs, everyone's like, man, he's having a down year
last year. Well, they managed like even his catches throughout
the year, like they didn't want they only wanted him
get a certain amount of touches. I think this wasn't public,
but I believe it was because they don't only want
to get him certain amount touches. And they asked Josh
Allen about it, and he like didn't say it wasn't

(37:51):
the case, so you just assume it probably was. But
like they even manage his touches. So all that being said,
the Bills in nemesist this year was past rush period.
If they had eight guy like eight quality defensive lineman.
But as you know, like one superstar in the D line.
You'd rather face a team with one superstar or sorry,
eight quality guys than a team with like three scrubs
out there and one superstar because you got the game

(38:13):
plan all around him. We had no one you truly
had a game plan for, and you could probably tell
me if I'm wrong there.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah, Addison, I think Addison's got a nice little bag
of tricks for sure. I think Jerry Hughes, even in
year twelve a super slippery quality like, does a great
job especially against the play action pass. Like he doesn't
necessarily butt you up every time in the run game.
So in play action when you're trying to go get him,
he makes the inside move. That's a tough Yeah, that's
a tough deal. So you gotta be aware of that
stuff a lot. But the way you guys cycled the
guys in and now, I think Jerry Hughes when we

(38:39):
played J'aell had the most amount of snaps of the
defensive line.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
That was fifty five percent. Wow.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
So and you guys just had a slew. Do I
think that rookie? I think he was either a rookie
lot or so.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
And then aj Panessa at Panessa, I think he got
a whole lot better. I was watching against Miami. Now,
Miami didn't have the best offensive line, right yeah, And
that's you your words, not mine, But I don't agree disagree,
and I think he was he was doing.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
When I was watching film, I was like.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Holy fucked, yeah, this dude is just putting dudes in
a blender right now. Like he had some moves, good,
nice double arm swipe, had get bender on the edge.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
But I think a guy like Vaughn, you.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Know, they track everything nowadays, so like his snap to
get off was one of the fastest in the league,
So like that's one of his strengths was just get off.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Anyways, I think come.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Playoff time next year, von Miller can be a difference
maker to get to the quarterback. And that's what the Bills,
That's what ultimately got him against the Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes
could just run around back there and it just ended
up being a shootout in the Bills defenses wore out
and both defenses wore wore out. You got twenty five
points scored in a minute and fifty seven seconds, but
both defenses were completely wore out. So whoever was going

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to be whoever had the ball in overtime was gonna win.
Both those defensive wore out. You get a pass rusher
like von Miller that can change some things in the playoffs.
It was interesting. You sign a thirty three year old
to a six year contract, Brandon being the wizard. I'm
sure you know there's something there where it's like, Okay,
if he retires, then all the rest of the cap
hits off the books.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
You know how it's structured.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
I'm sure because because if he's thirty nine at the
end of that contract, right, it had to be either.
It seemed like it was a team from the deal too, though,
like looking at the numbers and where everything was signing
bonus and all that against the cap.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Like you said, Buddy's a wizard. Yeah, so he was
out there killing it. I know. I love Brandon Bean,
So is that what you think?

Speaker 4 (40:20):
You think if the Bills got the ball first and
that overtime, Bills win that game.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Over, game over, both chances.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Both defenses were so gassed, like they could hardly move.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, I mean both Josh Allen and Mahomes were just
going back and forth.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Though, you know, is there too much time on the clock?
Oh and that was there too much on the clock?
Just back.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Yeah, But the way Mahomes came and tie the game
up at the end, incredible.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
But the way Josh, oh no, it was all it
was all fucking insane and who had the ball less
in regulation?

Speaker 5 (40:49):
So the Bills scored with thirteen seconds left, that's right,
and they're up three and Tony Romo and they kicked
it in the end zone allowed a touch back, which
don't do the games coach has been fired. You know,
not to speculate, but there apparently there was a miscommunication
somewhere along the line. The kick as still on the
team the special teams coach, isn't they kick it in

(41:10):
the end zone so you don't waste any time there,
And then they played off defense and let them just
get up the field.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
And then man, it even.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
Hurts like to watch just because I love Sean McDermot
and Brandon Bean so much.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Like they gave Sean McDermot was there my last year.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
I was the first player being extended or gave a
contract to in Buffalo as me, and so like.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
I actually like those dudes. I know you like to,
but so I know how much it means to them.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
But to like watch the micd up situation where Travis
Kelsey was like, Hey, I'm actually not gonna do it.
Andy Reid just called like like look at their defense.
I'm just gonna run up the seam. Just throw it
to me.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
I'll get down and we get a field goal to
tie it. So Jesus wild. Yeah, that had to hurt.
It was one of the best games to watch it. Yeah,
I was calling the game, and you know, I thought
the Bills were out of it, and then they.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Just go back and forth. In the fourth quarter, they
get back in and take the lead. But you know,
the city of Buffalo is just starving for a championship.
And after the way Josh Allen played against the Patriots,
they smoke him forty five to seven places.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
That was a wild dude, Josh Allen.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
And he's been to three playoff appearances, not like it's
just won. In three playoff appearances, he has a fourteen
to one touchdown interception ratio, which is like, by far
the best in NFL history. Obviously, he's a students, a gamer,
sounds one of my favorite people in the world, and
he won me over for life. So this is two
years ago, my son's birthdays in January, and so I

(42:31):
texted Josh, like I didn't even overlap with Josh once,
but we worked with the same hospital up there, our
foundations all that and we've become buddies. But like, I'm
the radio guy up there, like that's what he knows me.
I was like, I'm the color guy in the radio,
and so I texted him. I said it it's like
a Monday during the playoff week. I said, Hey, for
some reason, my son, he's three, he's obsessed with you.
He thinks you're coming to his birthday party. If you

(42:52):
could just shoot me a quick video, I'd appreciate it.
If you ignore this text, I'll never think anything different
of you. Good luck in the game this week, No
worries either way. Sends me a video and then he goes, wait, wait,
I can do better, sends another one that's like longer
and better, and I'm like, that kid gets it, you
know what I mean, Like to do something little like
that for someone who could talks about him every week,

(43:14):
controls a lot of media and opinion through my social
media in Buffalo, and like that was he gets it.
And he was twenty three years old at the time.
Twenty four years old. Yeah, that's a great kid.

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Speaker 1 (44:18):
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Speaker 2 (44:25):
Guy? Like is that something in the maybe in the
beginning more so than now, Like it was always in
the back of your mind, Like I have to have
this kind of take because in the media game, like
you've got to build credibility. To get credibility, you got
to have like actual honesty, like you got to be objective,
like you got to remove the emotion of these are
my boys, but you know, you gotta do your thing.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Yeah, Now, it's good that there was a ton of turnover,
Like I was out a season full season and then
came back eighty percent of the roster it changed, so
that that helped. But like, they don't pay me enough
to be hypercritical of those guys that make hard takes
on them all the time. Like I'm never going to
trash the guys. But it was weird because yeah, yeah,
your body's got a price. Everybody's got a price.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
To Romo money. I'll talk wrap on anybody. Yeah, I respect,
I respect that hustle.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
But I'm like, dude, I'm I'm up here having fun.
Like we're the Bills Radio broadcast, so like I'm I'm
gonna be pretty you know, I'm a Bill's homer.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
On this broadcasts.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
When I was with ESPN for those couple of years,
I'm calling college games like I'm not going to tear
down these college kids. Now, I'll say if something was
dumb or man, he should have made that catch er,
that's a bad throw. But I'm not going to like
attack a kid like, oh this kid, you know, he's lazy.
Watch this like I would if I was watching film.
We're in sitting in the old line room watching film.
Totally different than when you're calling a.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Game, like you're not on everybody, Yes, exactly, like, oh,
this dude's terrible, especially the old line too. That's crazy
that because when you watch the d line, you're kind
of respecting them watching when they do. Yeah, you watch
other offensive line and you're like, what the fuck is
this guy doing?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Man? Right, why is he so lazy? Why is he
so this? Yeah, But like I feel like.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
That's ever a position like for real, Well, you'll watch guys,
you watch backers, and your coach will be getting off
to some by and here's me thinking like, yeah, they're
doing nothing like you.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
You custed your ass off when.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I was doing something similar to this the other day.
But all of a sudden, he's doing it. All of
a Sudden's the greatest thing in the world, right, will
probably who probably hate on like Quentin Nelson, like oh
he gets this, he gets that, he gets away with this,
but it's just like you know.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Right, But on the transition to the media, it got
me Like the first time I went to like one
of like the old line dinners the night before the game,
or we were on the road and they invited me
out to eat with them and then they started talking
and they like pulled back because they thought I might
like tweet it, or I'm like whoaa, whoaah, like nothing
we ever say, Like I will never compromise a conversation
ever with a player coach, like even like showing that

(46:38):
picture of Fitzpatrick, like fitz doesn't care, Like that's not
like bad by any means or whatever, but like even there,
I'm like like I don't ever want to like put
people's business out in the streets. And like you know,
I'll have coaches text me stuff before the game or
I'll talk to him on the field, like unless it's
like a positive thing about a player, that's like building
someone up throughout the broadcast, like I'll never ever ever
mention it because once you once you blow that trust,

(47:01):
once it's over and then you're sitting at a meal
and everyone's like kind of clamming up because oh he
would's here and you know he's he's on the call
tomorrow media and like cause pre covid, I would go
to all their meals. Like mcdermot's like, dude, if you
want to work out in our weight room, you like
you oh yeah, He's like, man, you just make yourself
at home. I mean my wife and his wife were

(47:21):
going to games together my last year, like traveling together,
and then boom career ends and so we're all still
kind of buddies and all that. But like it was like,
make yourself at home. So I'm like in the meal room,
people are like do I sit by him? You know
it's like you know he's gonna go down and do
one Bill's Live after this, you know our TV show
that we do, Like is he gonna say something if

(47:41):
I I'm like never, Like, let's just get that crystal clear,
Like none of that's ever gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
That's awesome, that's good. That's a good characteristic to have.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
Yeah, but but it's like you blow the trust once
and then like honestly, it's like like as a former player,
like you never want that to like like you would
never I would never want to turn years worth of
a reputation off of like picking up a few Twitter
followers or something.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Right, Yeah, some guys get off on that though. I
know some like just going off the media we have here.
There's a lot of great people in our media, especially
at local media, but there's a couple of guys that
just are dying to soil somebody.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I know. I just love the chaos, each.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
A little bit of like an angle, and then you
can make it into something, making it something huge.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, I Uh, let's get into your career a little bit,
because you've had, like you had quite the career. You
played nine years at one spot, which is rare. It's
like we were talking about yesterday with Mike when he
was on the podcast, like Taylor has been with one
team his entire career, Like that's a rare thing to have.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
And you had just re signed an extension what was
it five years.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
Signed a two year extension, so that would have put
me through year eleven.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Got you, and so I was way off, good, way off,
So completely way off. But uh, you had an incredible
career man, a pro boy, and you were stud Like
I remember you, you did talk like you were scrappy,
that you and incognito. Incognito this day between him and Roger,
the heaviest hands.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I've ever felt heavy hands.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
But you suddenly had to end your career because of
a neck injury. Like tell us about that story.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
Yeah, So twenty seventeen, we break the longest playoff drought
in all professional sports.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Everyone thought we.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Were tanking going into that season, and everyone thought I
was a dumbass, but I signed the contract extension when
everyone thinks we're tanking. But like we're sitting there, we
got shady Kyle Williams, Tyrod Taylor's good quarterback, Richie's there.
I'm like, man, we got some pieces like said, like
this isn't a true tank, Like yes, we traded Sammy
and Marcel and Ronald Darby, but like those dudes didn't

(49:39):
fit McDermott's personality and they never were going to like
those dudes's watkins. Yeah, yeah, like they're just not gonna
see eye on. So anyways, sign a contract extension. Play
every single snap that season, including the playoff game. One
of the only players in the NFL to play every
single snap that year. Because your shoe can fall off,
you get heard you're beating a team too.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Bad.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
You're losing too bad, Like you get taken out for
so many diferent reasons. In the NFL, I played every
single snap that year. I'm an alternate for the Pro Bowl?

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Was it that?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
After an injury too? So? Oh?

Speaker 5 (50:08):
I had a ton of injuries, bro curious and my
rookie year, I did the Joe thaismand leg break.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
You're three. I did a CM compound fracture. Yeah, holy ship.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Right from the field to an ambulance to surgery four days.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Later, fly back to Buffalo and we and that was like,
let's put a pin in that and just how that happen. Yeah,
So I'm blocking for Ryan Fitzpatrick, former teammate of mine.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
You can find it on YouTube if you want to
pull it up, might as well. But uh, former teammate
of mine at Louisville Montaviou. Stand at least playing de
tackle for the Jaguars, And I just got a dude
locked up and just standing there with him. Dies for
fitz fitz makes a miss, goes through the side of
my leg. I had never been hurt in my life.
And we were earlier in that game. A guy left
the field, came back in. We were making fun of him,
and so I was like, all right, I gotta get

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up because I don't want everyone to make fun of
me if I come back in.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Everyone's like, you didn't know that it was fucking out? No,
it was. It was this so the bone was out
of the skin, so.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
It was a community which actually were so it was
it breaks in half, the skin stays out there, and
that actually made me have to stay in Jacksonville longer
because it creates this like huge bubble on your leg.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
But anyways, so here you go. Oh bro, I don't
know if I really want to see this. Oh fuck yeah.
So that was a good one. Think too. By the way,
you're in phenomenal shape now, yeah, I appreciate it. That
was about three hundred and sixteen pounds there. I was heavy.

(51:35):
All right, that's good, yeah, snapper dude. So anyways, so
do that go straight to the hospital.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Wait, you're chilling holding How did you react to that?
You were like, oh, I should get up.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
I was trying to push myself off the ground and
then realized that it was pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
And now how did you react to that?

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Were you freaking out when really hurting?

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Ended up really hurting? And then uh, it ended up
really hurting. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Yeah, watch the YouTube video of it with the surgeons
before I went into surgery.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Wake up in the middle of the night, have no
idea where I'm in.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
Where I'm at in a pitch black hospital room, and
I'm like, I'm sweating my ass off, and I'm like
the drugs.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
I just started yelling.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
I'm like, I literally have no idea where I am
right and like I don't see like a call button
or anything.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
So I just started yelling. Nurses come in, flip on
the lights.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
I'm like, oh, look down, I'm in the same compression
chores I played the game in and Jacksonville. I was
like like, all right, this is disgusting. I was like,
all right, need the ac down, need some new underwear,
probably a bath where am I like like just start
my rud we know, like where's my phone?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Like what the hell is going on right now?

Speaker 5 (52:39):
Is the middle of the night and uh so, anyways,
I was down there for four days and ended up
making back started the first game of the season the next.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Year because that was in Weeke ten, Like you fucking yeah,
what is a what is like a regular recovery for that?

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Like it all kind of depends.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
So like with bones, once they healed, you're pretty confident
about it. Like when I did my ACL, like I
didn't feel like real confident that sucker for about eighteen months. Yeah,
you know, Like I'm like, man, it just kind of
feels weak, like not as flexible, not as strong, like
is this thing good?

Speaker 1 (53:08):
You know?

Speaker 5 (53:08):
And like acls are so obscure. It's like this little
bitty deal I can just wreck your life. So you're like,
is it good?

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Like once that once they boy blost back there just
towards ACL two days ago.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
That recovery sucks.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
But I'm sorry, but I'm my heart's going out to
the boy the whole time.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
But like they put a rotten screws in my leg,
like that sucker was good.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Now it didn't hurt, It didn't hurt that bad.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
Now you're not weight bearing for twelve weeks, so you're
completely atrophied. I went from three six I went from
three sixteen to two seventy eight quick?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Just how fast? How fast is that? Three weeks?

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Okay, hey, I lost like thirty forty pounds, not forty
thirty pounds in MYICL.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
That's a good three week.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
That's a great sign for post career, but it sucks
when you're in the moment because then you had to
get all that and some of it's you know, waterway
and all that, and you get that muscle back quick.
But yeah, thirty seven pounds or something, and then they
put me back in the hospital for dehydration all that. No, Yeah,
that was that was That was a tough one. And
then I got hurt in week ten or eleven, four
straight years to start my career, did the did the

(54:11):
Joe thisman? Second year high ankle spring, third year ACL,
fourth year mcl all in week ten or eleven.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Hey, at one point you I'd be like, hey, I'm
not playing those going into like contract years.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
Well yeah, yeah, so and then I'm heading So at
that time, all first rounders had to sign a five
year deal, So the Bills extended me before the next season.
But it was a really heavy playing time incentive because
I was like, look, I want to make top three
center money. I'm resigning before mac he was another first
round of that year, like he's gonna jump me as
soon as I sign.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
So like, I don't want to sign like some.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Team super like low deal that has you know, no
risk to it like, I'll bet on myself.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
That's fine. I'd deserve the money if I'm not playing anyways.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
And then I go on to start fifty two straight
games and earn it all, which was great. And then
in twenty sixteen, break my other leg a Monday night
football in Seattle on the goal line going left, smart too,
the defensive line slanted this way. I'm trying to get
through to the second level and bear defense, and the
whole whole line collapses down on me. So break your
other leg, break my other leg, mon night football heading

(55:11):
into the bye week too.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
So you got all these players, I don't need to
see it. And then you fly back and then you
last video fucked me up, and then you.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
Fly back from Seattle six hours to Buffalo through the night.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
Luckily at that time they made something legal out there
that a bunch of the guys on the team were
like kind of hooked me up. On the way home
and Rex Ryan walked up to me, he goes, how
you feeling, E. I was like a lot better than
I should right now, Yeah, like a lot better than
I should. He's like, all right, take me out.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Yeah, yeah, I'm all good, but uh, Heroin's different.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
Yeah, what you're saying exactly, Yeah, yeah, the hard stuff
and so break my leg. So all that being said,
battle through injuries my whole career that year, play every
single snap, feel great, Like, got some stingers throughout the year,
but like our high school buddy's got stingers, Like everyone
gets stingers in the NFL, Like, yeah, who cares hurt
though it does. And when you play enter in your
right hands and them like, that's a different feeling heading

(56:03):
into a play and you're like, can't really feel the ball,
but I'll get it back there.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
It's all good. Yeah. But uh so I got.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
These singers where they're like, let's get new around your neck,
just make sure everything's good. And I was like, okay,
well I have to get home right now. My son's
about to be born. So getting a Mari drive back
to Louisville. Two days later, sitting in the delivery room.
My son's born. Fifty minutes after I get the phone
call that my career's over even with surgery. You know,
we've consulted with everybody. No one will ever pass you

(56:29):
for a physical again, no team in the league will,
And just freaking rocked my world. So I think we're
trying to figure out travel plans to the Pro Bowl
because there was two AFC centers, both in the playoffs
still that were Pro Bowlers, so like there was like
a ninety percent chance I was going to pop in there,
and they might not even want to play anyways, So

(56:49):
we're trying to figure out how we're gonna get a
two week old to the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
And it's said, my career is over, and like, and
you just got that MRI just because you have you
had stinger hits. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
I was the only player on the team that late
every single snap that year. Yeah, so like so I
know it and no one else does. And it was
well like our family knew, but like me and my
wife knew, but like no one else. And my wife's
crying in the hospital bed after I told her, and
not like mad, just like sad and emotional and I
have a baby, you know, you guys know the emotions
of that.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah, the nurse imagine telling my wife. She's in the
middle of trying to.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Like, well, we knew went through and you're like, hey,
but I'm also we got to find a new job
because it wears over.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
They were like, hey, we're gonna call we have some
serious news. So we knew something, so like she was
like telling me, I want to know. So the nurse
comes in and was like, baby, it's not going to
hurt that bad.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
I promise. My wife's like, it's not about the baby,
like we exactly.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
So anyway, so that that was like a pretty wild
four or five months because the Bills wouldn't cut me
because as soon as they cut me, my full cap
hit was gonna come in. Like I was the second
highest paid center in the league my first year out
of the league because I just had signed that extension
and so as soon as they cut me, all that
hits and then they can't go sign free agents. Right, well,

(58:03):
if i go get a job or anything, then I'm retired.
If I'm retired, I don't get all that injury guarantee.
And so literally I'm just like living in obscurity. I'm
losing weight, but I'm like not trying to see anybody
or tell anybody, Like I'm not on social media much
because I'm just trying to be like, hey, as soon
as they cut me, I'll come back and I'll try
and get a broadcast gig. That's part of the reason

(58:23):
I didn't have a media gig my first year out
was because I couldn't even take a job. Really, it
didn't cut me till June, June first, I guess May
thirty first, June first, and so I'm just sitting there
in limbo. Like I showed up at Jim Kelly's golf tournament,
which was in May. That was the first time, like
anybody had seen me in five months, and I'm like
fifty five pounds down. Everyone's like, oh, you're done.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Done.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
I'm like, yeah, I was never athletic enough to play
tight end. I couldn't even start in my high school
at tight end. So yeah, I'm really done.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Oh my god, that's crazy. Ye know, that is fucking emostly, like,
what was that process like for you, dealing with that.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
You're a pro bowler, like everyone's speculating and you're about
to go like you're about to go to another one.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Yeah. Everyone. I loved ball.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Like that's another thing too, Like there's a lot of
dudes in the league that don't love ball like I
loved it, Like I loved watching film, I loved going
to the stadium, I love I loved practice like I
loved it all and so for me, like it was
a big hit, and you know, honestly and at that time,
like I had, you know, luckily, I have a great
family and buddies in this foundation, my faith, and like

(59:25):
so early on you're like, yeah, God, I know you
have great plans for me, Like I can't wait to
see what you do next. And then like four months
in and you're just kind of like hanging out, losing weight.
You know, you're like, Okay, this kind of sucks now.
And then when I saw pictures of them back at
OTAs because I used to love OTA's, like I love
to play golf. We'd go up there and you know,
you work out till noon and then it's like hang

(59:45):
out with the boys all afternoon, fly home Thursdays, see
the family again.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Like OTA's was a ton of fun.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Yeah, I see them all those Bota's, I was like, oh,
it's real, Like yeah, well.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
I'm not heading back there anymore. So it sucked it,
truly did. I went through the first game that the Bills,
like the first game that I wasn't in, you know,
in a decade, and they played APT Baltimore and they
lost like forty seven to three, it's pouring down rain.
We're up in the club just crushing beers, me and
a few of my boys, and like everyone's like, is this,
like do you feel better now? Is like, honestly no,

(01:00:14):
because I'd rather just be in that locker room piste
off right now than sitting here drinking beers with you guys,
you know what I mean, Like, yes, these games suck,
but like, like I don't ever get to like even
just feel that in the locker room again. And that's
that's part of the thing about media too, Like when
you're calling a game, especially calling college games. It's part
of the reason I moved on from calling those college games,
like you don't care who wins, and like you have

(01:00:34):
no emotion tied to it at all. And I was
calling mainly ACC games. Not a lot of good ball
in the ACC going right now, so you don't even
get that like the great You don't get like the
great atmosphere either. And I was like, man, this is
like just not quite doing it for me right now.
Like I'd rather be in either one of those locker rooms,
you know, win or lose. I'd rather be in either
one of those locker rooms than stay on this field
or in this booth calling this game right now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
But I also don't want to do the coaching hours.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
As you guys know, it's hard to be a dad
and a husband and this gotta be a little different now,
no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah, what was? So?

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
What was would it end up being like what the
doctors told you happened to your neck? What would made
it like career ending?

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
So I had disc and bones sitting into my spinal
cord and it was at C two C three, So
like if it was lower at four or five like
Peyton Manning had next surgery and came back and played
his was lower, it's more stable at C two C three.
Any surgery up there, they'll just end your career because
it's so unstable and you lose everything below in the
spinal cord whatever, like you injure, it damages everything down.

(01:01:31):
So that's paraplegia, loss of respiratory function, and so it's
a real shit. Yeah, Like that's not like lose feeling
in your legs, you know, which would be awful. But yeah,
but they were like that was the Ryan Shazier had
his deal where he was face down on the turf
and They're like, we have no idea. One of those
hits him put you face down the turf. But you're
just lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
You're lucky, saying because they just saw from an MRI.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
It's like kind of like, oh, thank god we got
an MRI because you would have continued playing it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
You weren't feeling anything wrong with you, right, I know it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
Yeah, everyone's like, man, you should feel so fortunate that
you got out when you did. And look, I would
have played to the wheels fell off and I get
to play golf. I can still work out, I play
with my kids like I love balls.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I would have played to the wheels.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
Fell off, just ignorant, and every year would have been, hey,
we got to go win the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Then we win to super Bowl. He was like, let's
go win another one. That was awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
Yeah, So I would have just kept playing. So I
believe God got me out when he wanted to. And honestly,
that first four or five months sucked. It did, but
I swear each year's gotten better than the last. I
got a podcast, What's Next with Eric Wood. I have
a ton of fun doing that, get to do stuff
like this. We travel a bunch, work hard, in the
falls calling games and whatnot, and then tone it back
and travel litle bit in the off season. Get to

(01:02:39):
take my kids to school, pick them up when I
want to, and I'm not golfing or that's all on
some stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Got some investments going. So it's been a ton of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
But man, that that transition's real, and for guys to
transition out in the NFL to have other guys that
can talk to, like, you know, we got buddies that
are going, you know, through transitions all the time from
the league.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Like it sucks, but no one.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
But the thing about it is you can't talk to
your buddies about it because they're like, look, you have
more money than you know what to do with, right,
and you get to stay home now, Like what's wrong
with that?

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Like like some of your buddies are still like they
don't want to hear most of every buddy, You're right,
they don't care to hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
They don't want to hear it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
Yeah, like they don't Like your wife doesn't have anyone
to talk to because you know, my wife leslie like
her girlfriends like they don't want to hear her talk
about like well, you know, and Eric's at home helping
out all the time now, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Know, I think we're gonna go travel again. Yeah, yeah,
golfing and just can't. But it's interesting again, yeah, you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
Like they don't want to hear that, like, but like
it's hard on the wife too. Like we had a
house in Buffalo, we had family, and you know, we
had friends that felt like family up there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yeah, when you're in it, when you got the camaraderie
with the boys, and like you said, it was nothing better.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
I remember like in Washington, did you know Corey lichtenstagger
at all? I m But we just had a group
of guys where we're it's the same thing. We're golfing
after practice every day, like when you're in it, because
again you were there nine years. Like right, it's gotta
just it's gotta suck. And I was talking one time
with my buddy a mereb Doula. He's had a podcast
on here, but uh yeah, monster wrench.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
But he's the president, the biggest of whoever had the
biggest he's the no.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
But that's not gonna happen when somebody asks. He's saw
always something one that I'll never get out of my
head out of his mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
But one time we were talking and it's kind of
like we get to be on this roller coaster right
with football, Like we live in such a we're so
fortunate that we got to legitimately live our dream as
a kid, Like you're playing mad and you're creating yourself
and you just daydream about playing football, like we're pretending
to be guys in the backyard when you're playing catch
with your dad and stuff, and you're just like you're

(01:04:46):
obsessed with this dream of playing in the NFL. And
we get to do that, like the one percent one percent,
Like we are so lucky we get to do that
at the same time we're riding.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
This roller coaster.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
You go to college, you're on scholarship, like you have
structure around. You go to the NFL, you lose a
little bit of structure, but you're making money and you're
just you're living a high. And then when you're when
you're done playing football, and I would assume it was
this way for you, but you get the rug pullout
from under you without even thinking twice, like having the
option right, and it's like, I feel like what football

(01:05:16):
players go through are athletes, are people? That get to
ride a high like that, because that's what it is,
like we live in a fantasy world again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
It's like, what's the next roller coaster? I'm trying to
get on?

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
And you go and call games right, and there's not
a lot of people in the stadium, Like it's just
not getting your rock, Like it's not You're like, this
is not what I want to be doing this, This
isn't doing it for me. I feel like we struggle
trying to figure out, like what that next? I guess
highest so to speaker, like what's going to feel like
I have purpose doing this?

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
No doubt.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
I'm literally I completed the book. It'll release this fault.
It's called Tackle What's Next. So it's a playoff of
my podcast. So it's like a bunch of podcast guests
who's poured into me because when I started the podcast,
I didn't have any broadcast gigs or anything going. I
was like, ma, now I'm supped to start creating some content,
have some good conversations. If you ask my wife what
I like to do most in life, you'd be like
sit around and beer and talk to your buddies and
be like, yeah, I get to do you know, get

(01:06:03):
to make a little money and do that, Like, yeah,
that sounds awesome exactly, like having conversations like this is
like what I like to do and so but it's
a lot about that, like so, yes, you got to
live out your dream. But like except that that was
awesome and it was incredible and you're you're not gonna
have that again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
But man, you can recreate.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Like my like the tagline of my podcast, how do
you make your what's next in life?

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Your best? Yet?

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
So like, go attack that next chapter of life, no
matter what it is. And so many people are in
a season of transition right now, whether it's from COVID,
whether it's work, and like you can be in a
transition life just because you say, like, man, I want
to be better tomorrow, like and not even like putting
too much pressure on yourself, like man, like I love
my boy Ben Newman, but like I'm not gonna do
seventy five hard over and over and over, like that's

(01:06:47):
not how I'm wired. But like, man, tomorrow I'm gonna
be a better dad, husband. You know, I'm gonna work
my tail off. I'm gonna you know, go pursue some
business stuff cause that fulfills some competition, am I end,
but like yeah, it's real. And then creating a schedule
for yourself is like one of the biggest things when
you transition out because man, your whole even in the
off season, it's like, Okay, we're gonna work out, we're
gonna do this, and like it's all on a schedule

(01:07:10):
and our whole lives.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Like it's what you go to school, your whole life.
Then you go to college and you've managed all that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
Then all football players, no doubt, right, and then all
of a sudden you have no schedule at all. So
like getting in a routine daily that like serves you,
that's gonna like put some healthy habits in your life.
It's great, but you talked and you hit it on
the head. When people are trying to recreate that, that
how you get from football. That's where you see a
lot of people get into trouble business wise. It's like, man,
I'm gonna go all in on this real estate deal.

(01:07:36):
I'm gonna go all in on this. It's like whoa, whoa, whoa.
Like my buddy's been doing real estate for thirty years
and now you're like you're scouring deals that they've passed
up for like five months, Like you think that you think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
You're gonna hit a home run on this, like right,
oh no, no, chill.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
But it's uh, it's been fun to hop into like
this podcast world learn from so many people, and you know,
part of my passion now is helping people transition and
and I just feel like as I learned on the podcast,
people are learning with me and it's been a ton
of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
That's awesome. When'd you start it? I started in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
So we're like one hundred and fifty something, one hundred
and sixty episodes in one a week. Sometimes we do two,
sometimes I'll do a solo one and those do pretty
good ratings.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
And you can like boost the weekly listens.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
Like if you're trying to get a decent sponsor, you're like, oh, yeah,
last week we had you know X amount of listens.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
It's like, well, we released too that week, but it's
all good. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
And then for Melth like for me, like I like
conversations that are chill like this, I like conversations with
pastor CEOs, Like I just like to learn from people
and pick their brains. But if I go back to
the bills. Well, like, if I, like I have Brandon
bean on once a year, that's gonna be one of
our biggest episodes. Josh Allen Sean McDermott Like, but like,
those conversations don't really do a whole lot for me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
You know, they're fun. I love those dudes, but like,
you know, they're necessary for like the Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
Yeah, I'll be like yeah, like I'll get a weekly
KPI report and I'm yeah, it's time to go back
to the bills.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Well again, yea yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
We are taking a break from this episode to shout
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Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
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Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Now back to the episode.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Going backwards a little bit, like, what are your thoughts
on the Bills offensive line this year? Going into this year,
Going into this year, I think there'll be solid and
like Josh who's your best who's the best? Office liven there?
Sean Dawkins left tackle. He's solid.

Speaker 5 (01:10:42):
You know, he's a little undersized six to three. He
came in my rookie his real wind.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Yeah did you hear about that? For Taylor one he did.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
I got knocked out of the Bills game, like oh
yeah yeah, And they were like at the end of
the game like their probably the Bills proble left tackle
tailor the one wasn't in. If they he would have
been there, they would have got that right, Like I
don't play for that team, boss.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Yeah. Yeah, And this guy is pretty good. He was
in A decent player for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
He's been with a Pro Bowl a couple of times. Yeah,
but his rookie year was my last year. So that's
like my little brother. And Deon doesn't drink, so like
he was always my d d and like he would
come over to the house and you know, all the
holidays he's at my house, so like that's my like
my little brother.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
I love that dude.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
He's like a kind of a throwback too, like the
Bill Shraft in the second round at the Temple. He's
kind of got this Odell Beckham haircut. And he's real
active on social media, and he's goofy with the way
he talks, and you know, he calls himself the Snowman
and so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Like at first, I was like, you gotta cocaine thing.
I don't even know.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Honestly, I don't even know. I don't know if he's
got like a lisp. And it was like, yeah, he's
trying to say snow. I honestly don't know. We've been
we've been friends for six years or five years now,
and I don't even know. But so like that's my guy,
you know. But he comes in and he's like a
throwback O Lineman. I'm like, waa wait this dude with

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this dyed blonde, curly little thing on his head, like
looking trying to be like Odell Beckham.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
You know, a super like me guy. Yeah, where is
the outfit?

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Yeah? That on the body? He comes in. He's throwing
people around.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
He's physical, like physical physical, And Cordy Glenn was playing
games with an ankle injury and this and that, and
Richie was like, give me deon next to me and
him and Dion started just throwing dudes out of the kitchen.
And so Dion's at left at at left tackle at
left guard. They they didn't resign Feliciano. I like Feliciana.
He's a throwback too. Roger yep. So he got saffold.

(01:12:33):
Mitch Morris really good center. Ryan Bates will probably play
right guard. They re signed him. And then I like
that young kid, Spencer Brown. Did you watch him at all?
Number seventy nine?

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
No, I didn't watch him very much, but I was
at the He had drafted in nineteen, right when the
draft is in Nashville.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
No, he got drafted this year. Was it talking about
Cody Ford? That's what I'm thinking. I announced that pick
on stage down here.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
Really yeah, but Cody Ford second round pick, like the
Bill Berner bean has not missed on many draft picks,
like early on draft picks. And he didn't start last
year again, and I don't know this would be his
last year coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
But Pop's got a solid o line.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
They take a ton of heat up there, which all
the lines take heat. I'm like, look like, get I
get all fired up defending the Bills offensive line. But
I'll be like, look around the league and just start
watching more offensive line film, Like there's not that many
good offensive lines in the NFL right now, especially as
you go later in the season, because the depth is
really an issue, like filling a whole low line room

(01:13:28):
with quality players. But I like where the Bills are
out with their starting five for sure. Now, when you
throw the ball eighty percent of the time, no, you're
not gonna have a great run game. You're not gonna
get in a rhythm in the run game. And so
later in the year they started runn the ball a
little bit more paid off for him. But they're good.
I mean, the Bill's got a solid team, I mean
the top to bottom the quarterback, but other than that,

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the pass game is definitely a strength. And then the
past defense, that back end has played a ton of
ball together. Those two safeties are so Jordan Poyer and
Micah Hyde. They've played, Yeah, so since twenty seventeen, they've
played pretty much every single game together.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
So they met.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
I listened to Tom Brady talk about them, and he's like,
no one confuses quarterbacks like they do because they're moving
before every snap and they just play off each other.
It could be a loud stadium in Buffalo and they're
just moving and and Will you can probably tell us
more about how difficult that could be if like one
safety's up on the line of scrimmage. Well like if
you're the other States, you're like, when's he coming back?

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Like wait, dude, you got deep third and you just
got to have trust.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
But those I would say the past defense of the
pass offense is the strength, and that's where a team
like Tennessee has giving them the most fits these last
couple of years. New England beats them last year in
Buffalo because just running the ball, they.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Threw the ball three times. Now he was that was
a crazy weather game. Crazy weather.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Now was.

Speaker 5 (01:14:42):
They're trying to they're trying to get more physical upfront
on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
I like it, dude, what's your weakness?

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
The Bills weakness last year was rush defense and pass
rush like and to me, like the Bill's production in
sacks was pretty good, like I think at the end
of the year, like number nine or eleven, like kind
of in that range, like that's good upper middle, but
in obvious pass rush situations, they just weren't getting home enough,

(01:15:11):
like obvious pass rush like obvious you know, third and
eleven and no one's close like like I know, as
an offensive Lineman, Like we're just assuming someone's probably getting beat.
You make the quarterback miss two people can't get beat
or else then the sack happens, but you're gonna get
away from one. But they just weren't getting home enough
in obvious pass rush situations. And that's where, like you

(01:15:32):
talk about being critical, I was pretty critical that often. Well,
like Jerry Hughes and me we played a ton of
ball together, like our wives are good friends, we're good friends,
and it's like, how do you navigate that? But like
Jerry probably tell you, like, no, you're right, like we
didn't get home enough.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
He's got a pretty unique story too, right, because he's
the first round pick to the Colts, sending behind in
Freeny and mathis yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
But was called a bust yeah for a little bit,
and now he's really made a home at the Bills.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
We traded Kelvin Shepard.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
Kelvin Sheppard shows up in the spring middle linebacker exactly,
yep oh shows up, shows up at two hundred and
seventy three pounds as a middle linebacker, and trade straight
up Jerry Hughes for Kelvin Shephard. I think Kelvin Shepherd's
coaching in the league now. Anyways, Jerry's still playing their

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most productive pass rusher for a number of years. I
always would tell Jerry before we play you all, because
you get under Jerry's skin, no know what you do
to him, like talking trash room or gimme a shot
out to play.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Yes, okay, cool.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
Like Jerry's gotten what like three personal fouls against the
Titans in the last five years.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Yeah, he's definitely gotten upset a few times. Oh, you
get under his skin.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
Like before we all played on Monday Night Football this year,
I went up to before the game. I was like,
no personal fouls, I bro. Yeah, He's like he's like
I know, I know. He was like that he is
riding like that. Jerry's one of the Jerry Let's go boys, Jerry.
Jerry is like one of the greatest people. Like awesome, awesome, dude.
He is a hothead. Yeah, oh my gosh. You want

(01:16:58):
to talk about someone talking trash to the refs, Like
he'll be on the sideline chirping at the refs. But
that's a dude you love to compete with. Like as
a teammate, you're like, I'll go about it with that dude.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
That cares. You know, is he still He's not with
the Bills anymore? He is?

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
He He's still there. Actually write that down, boys, right down.
I don't know if they resigned him or not. I
should know that, but I think look.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
That up real quick to see if they resign him.
I actually want to know that. For the Jerry Hughes, yeah,
because because I know he was a free agent going
in this year, year twelve. Do you guys go to
Buffalo this year? I know we played Buffalo. I'm not
sure if it's at.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Or first in the divisions for the Bills.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Yeah, we got the Titians got a schedule. Now, last
year we had, like I think when the whole grades
come out of like hardest schedule. We were like number
one I think, and it went pretty well until the playoffs.
Go back to go Gole, Go back to Google and
then go to search tools peen tepen Moore or go

(01:17:57):
to the more column right there. What the oh all
results do anytime? Anytime ago twenty four hours?

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
Oh hey back in the day when you're something new
every day, when you're in college, when you're in college
and like trying to like figure out hey, like what
are people thinking about me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
I would do this shit all the time. It is
so bad.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
What was your last year of college? Twenty thirteen? And
I saw I got jacket at fourteen? Gotcha well?

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
And we had Kurt Anderson, Michigan guy, so he was
always talking about it and we were like looking at
maybe taking a tackle early.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:18:30):
So Kurt was always like, dude, we might be getting
my boy laanen. And I don't know how close you'all were,
just like your Michigan guys.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Yea guys are No, we weren't very close with us,
very cool he said that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
I was like, I definitely don't think I would have
wanted to play for the Bills, just how cold it is.

Speaker 5 (01:18:43):
It's amazing what these last few years has done for
like free agent signings and people wanted to get your
people want to go to the Bills now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
People don't realize is when you say, like, oh, why
would people go to the Bills when they can go
to LA It's like you're really spending six months out
of the year there and it gets cold for a
few months and then you can book it, you can
lead you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
And it's actually pretty fun. To play up in Buffalo,
being completely honest.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Like we all live a lot of trouble. Richie was
telling me about it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
Like we all live by each other and so like
in a city like this is in a monster city.
But like in La, guys the forty five minutes apart,
Like you leave the stadium, you're not gonna see them again.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
And I hang with the worlds like I come home
from work. We had eight guys that lived in our neighborhood.

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
Me and Richie shared a backyard his uncle, Richie did
my little Gracy girl. But like I'd get home and
like Leslie and Grace would be like off playing at
someone else's house, like enjoying themselves and so like it's
a ton of fun. And then you're right as soon
as the season's over, you can vacation.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
You can live wherever you want, wherever you want, and
like when you're up there, you should be working anyways,
like it's grind time in the season, Like who cares
if you're in La, Like, yeah, what was your regiment
like when you were playing for me? Like I don't
there's no drinking during the season for me at all.
I just can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
And I hate.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
Like for me, it's always like, how do I stay
ahead of the sticks? How do I make sure that
my body's right going next week? And if I drink
on a Sunday, even that next Sunday, let's say I'm
not feeling as good or my conditioning is as good,
I feel something, I'm like, fuck, you fucked it up
for yourself, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:20:06):
Yeah, so I would drink Sunday or Monday generally, not
like crazy. Now, if I got like a bunch of
buddies in town, I'll kick back some drinks with them
after a game. So after every single game home games,
I hosted a tailgate in my truck after the game
because it takes like an hour. Yeah, it takes like
an hour and a half for the parking lot to
clear out after you get out there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Well, we lived one mile from the stadium.

Speaker 5 (01:20:29):
If I left right after the game or I waited
an hour, I'd get home about fifteen minutes apart. So yeah,
I started packing a cooler and put a bunch of
beers in the back of my truck.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
And honestly it was awesome fellowship like with the guys.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
As the game, everyone come by and everyone knew they
were invited, like and so then you end up having
to pack more and more, and then you know, some
of the young guys like, hey, bring a couple extra
thirty packs and you know, we'll throw them in.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
So we'd have a few beers chill out.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
Went to the same Italian spot when I broke my
leg and half my rookie year, this Italian restaurant half
and a half. Yeah, this Italian restaurant started just bringing
over dinner for me and my wife, and I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna be loyal to them, dude.
They're still like I still eat there after every Bill's broadcast. Now,
like after every game, we'd go in there, well at
like nine, they'd shut the doors and lock the place
and we would just we could do whatever we wanted
and there watching that tod night football and chill out,

(01:21:13):
and it was like our own little spot, like own
little getaway. That's also the Talian spot. So I would
generally drink on Sunday nights after home games. But I'm
not like getting crushed, but like I'm the ultimate like
reset button still to this day, Like like you know,
we came down, we went.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
To Rubies, and I have no clue what you were
talking about. We went, we went down, We went down
to Rubies. Last night, we went to Jeff Rubies down here.

Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
Last night, you and the wife met up with a
former teammate of mine, Mike Coston. We went out, had
a few beers afterwards, like this morning, get in the gym,
sweat it out a bunch of electrolytes, rehydrate, boom back in,
back in it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
So like even when I was playing.

Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
But I'm like you, like I'd see dudes drink on
Fridays and I was like, man if I cramped up
in the game on Sunday and I drank on a Friday, like,
I would never forget, I would never forgive myself.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
No. And I'm like such a warrior, Like a.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
Buddy of mine played a decade at tackling the league.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
I mean he got blacked out every Friday night.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
And like a lot of those dudes in like Green
Bay back in the day, like uh, sitting in those dudes, Yeah,
they drank every week and they balled out with it and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Looked like he drank every single day. He had that body.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
I know, But like I would never be able to
forgive myself.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
We come in on a Saturday for like the walkthroughs
and everything else, and there'd be a there'd be a
couple of dudes sleeping in the fucking locker room right
from being out there before, just crazy alcohol smelling drunk.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Still, it's just like, yo, what are you fucking doing? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
Was a lot like that league, and that's like Rex
was like real like Rex's personality, he said, like his
coaching style is to empower you, like, dude, you're the
baddest dude on our team. Like I remember we brought
in Percy Harvey yesterday and uh, but he was like
he's so empowering. Well, we had all these young cats

(01:22:55):
that they like drafted, all these like wild dudes. Well
then Rex is like empowering him. Like you go like,
you do your thing, do whatever you got to do
to get ready for the game. And they're all hammered
on Friday night, come in Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
I'm like, oh god, we got no shot, like we
Oh that's the worst feeling, dude. I know when you
kind of just know she hasn't been going the way
it ship this week, I said anything, damn I know it.
I freaking love Rex. Though he's such a good dude,
and you said he lives here. Yeah, yeah, he'd probably
be fun to get on.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
It was over at any Lavetrie used to live over there.
You played Andy, right, Yeah, great dude.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Great dude he was. He was one of my grooms
with my wedding. Really yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
The only time I've ever been up in Buffalo was
for his wedding with his wife. Was like July fourth weekend. Yeah,
real selfish weekend to have a wedding. Because absolutely, I'm
trying to it's the best holiday, second best holiday behind
in the Halloween in my opinion. But we went out
there and we had some wings. I don't know what
the fuss is about in Buffalo with the wings.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
You didn't go to the right spot then, I mean,
I got there's some wings up there.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
Change and he took us to Spice like this is it.
I don't remember what it's called. I'm not here to
I'm not here. I'm gonna get killed by Bill's mafia again.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
But I wasn't. I didn't understand it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Tastes like Hooters wings breaded, weren't very good.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
I'm beyond the spot. I never take place bred of wings. No,
no way, what's the best spot? I love? How you
want violence against Bill's mafia. I don't want my favorite
Hooters wings. That's my experience.

Speaker 5 (01:24:17):
Yeah, my favorite spot is a place called Bar Bill
and it's like a craft like they take it serious.
That thing up bar Bill, bar Bill b A R
space B I L L.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
They do it right. How do they do these wings?

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
I mean they're like hating the sauce on there. It's
the presentation. They separate the drums from the flats, homemade
homemade blue cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Maybe we're on a potographic website right now.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
Hey, I do love chicken wings like crazy. No that
she looks fire? Yeah, yeah that I got my own
bug there.

Speaker 5 (01:24:54):
And so like generally, when I'm drinking, generally, generally, when
I'm drinking, my mouth say, I'll say, like the waitress back,
you want another, like, I'll do one more. Like that
doesn't mean that's my last one, Like I just want
one at that time. So they did a mug for me.
It said I'll do one more. And then you've probably
drank with Richie before. Every time Richie drinks the next morning,
it's I'm never drinking again. Yeah, I had them do

(01:25:16):
a mug that said I'm never drinking again. For Richie boys.

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Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Boys. Back to the episode, that's hilarious. What was it
like playing with Richie Richie's is this now? Is this
locker room talk? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
I know the locker room talk. I don't know what
your story was. If it was, no, I'll always talk
about that. I was just trying to get his creative.
I was just thinking about, like, you know, I love that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
I'm sorry for sending the growth of this, okay, and
then I'll get into a good story with Richie because
you prepped me on that and I got a funny one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
But we playing with Richie was awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
In twenty fifteen, in February, Doug Whaley is our GM
and he reached out to me, he said, and we
had gone into the offseason no, and we needed a
couple of new guards.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
You know he would He was like, he's like, he's
like player in coach. Oh, yeah, he kind of. He can.
He's able to play Bothy. Some mine like that. He's
got very much. Ben Jones pipes to me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Are like a lot of centers are like, yeah, we're
just smart. Just cut the same way and with the coaches,
corporate guys.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
See, I said, down with the coach, we're kind of talking,
you know, we kind of need we kind of knew.

Speaker 5 (01:27:11):
Oh yeah, that's like Kyle Lorten came to the Bills.
He's like, you're such a company guy. I'm like, Orton,
you've been with five different teams and like, maybe you
should be a.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Little bit more of a company guy. But we learned
the game a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
Yeah, exactly, ship on the company guys. But it's not
a bad gig. No, it's not a bad gig to
be that dude. No, I just have an issue with authority. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Yeah, it used to be heavy and the you know,
the police. You know what I'm saying, the company guys.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
But so Doug Whaley called me up, what do you
think about bringing Richie?

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
And we had the same agent.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
I'd met him at a bunch of events with athletes
first and this and that. Loved the dude, and I
was like, bring him in. I know he went through
all that crap in Miami. I've talked to him about
it personally. It'll be good, I'll you know. He moved
in like right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Behind the incredible to his side of the story.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
It's at some point he needs to write a book
and tell his side of the story.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
It would be probably be a best sellery.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
What Jonathan Martin Jonathan Martin story with Jonathan said he
was getting bullied and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Oh racial stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
Yeah, listen, you know my vibe on that stuff. You
should never say the N word or anything. And I
think there was a voicemail or something. Yeah, but they
were apparently they had a relationship. They had a relationship
where like he was okay with him saying that. I
don't know, like I said, I'm not cool with that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:21):
Word, but Richie know what at that time, Like Richie
wouldn't do that. Now I'd assume, you know what I mean,
Like it wasn't whatever it was, it's always been a
big deal regardless we bring in Richie. He was great
for us, Like, never got in trouble. He's smart, he's physical.
I've never us used to train with Richie. I've never
been around anyone as strong as Richie.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
I mean he's kind of a guy. You're just like,
all right, do this weight now, and he's like, okay.
I never seen him struggle with weight.

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
They wouldn't let him lift enough weight in Buffalo even
like truly challenge himself and it's like unbelievable. Like I'm
doing like two seventy five on incline and they're like,
all right, just slap another uh played on the outside
for Richie. I'm like what and like all right, I'll
put another court on the outside for Richie. Just bangs
it racks and like you can't go any higher, Like yeah,
like holy smoke, this crazy strong rogers a lot like that.

(01:29:07):
He's extremely strong, but go ahead with Yeah, So Richie,
Richie was absolutely awesome to play with. You know, we
may Pro Bowl together, had a ton of fun out
in Hawaii with him, and we've gotten really close.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Over the years.

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
You know, he's truly one of my best friends now.
But so we were talking about stories and whatnot earlier.
So we used to take our old line trips out
of the season. So do you all do the fine
system in your room?

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Yeah? Okay, so we do the fine system? Is that
the locker room story? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
Well, this this is gonna be a like this is
a Richie Line story?

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
What year is this?

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
This is twenty sixteen? This is this is January of
twenty seventeen. Because I have a walking boot on, which
contributes to the story because I just broke my leg.
So we used to always go to Vegas with half
the fine money. The other half we'd like take kids
Christmas shop, and then we justified taking this like Vegas
trip and we just go out there and spend a
bunch of money. And but like after the season, like

(01:30:03):
you're so stressed out all year, then you go to
Vegas and like your heart's racing the whole time. They're
like gouging you every time you walk in anywhere with
ten fat dudes. It's like, all right, screw this. I
was like, let's go to Key West one time, Like
hear me out, Let's go down Key West, Like you
can leave the room and flip flops, t shirt and
shorts in the morning, eat anywhere you want, Like it's
just chill, Like, let's go down there, chill out. So
we go down there after a couple of pretty big

(01:30:25):
days of drink and we wake up the third day,
we go to your grab brunch and we're like, man,
nothing sounds good. Ask the waitress, like, give us something
that's not tequila, bourbon beer, this, that, And she's like,
how about a darkened store and like a rum and whatever, Yeah,
let's do it. So then the waitress is like, after
we had a few, she's like, you know who drinks
rum before noon? Like who like pirates? I was like

(01:30:47):
that's pretty good. So then we became pirates. So on
on the island.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
So then we became pirates.

Speaker 5 (01:30:53):
So on the island, they have an authentic costume store
that like specializes in pirateouf. So we spend five of us,
four of us go spend twenty five hundred dollars on
pirate out. It's each total, okay, And.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
I'm in a boots, so obviously I'm like Captain Hook
with the peg leg and the hat and coat and.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
Like ruffled shirt. And Richie's got this whole big deal.
And so we're walking around as pirates. We're walking into
bars and Richie would just rake tables of drinks off
and we literally I would literally have to like and
people would be like, oh my god, that's Richie incognito.
I'm like, I know we're gonna make it right. I'm
gonna buy you two rounds of drinks out of this.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Yeah, we're all good clean.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
He just fucking oh, he's a he's a wild animal
and he drinks you. It's but it's fun times.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean malicious, he's just yeah shop, yes,
i mean he's just so big. But anyways, so like
our favorite times are like when are we gonna go
back and be pirates again? And I mean we would
do those old line trips, like do you all do
an oldlane trip as the year?

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Yeah, we went to Vegas this year.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
Yeah, I'm always big on getting the boys to Cabo,
and everyone's all about it in August it's September. Then
October hits been like, you know, Vegas is closer, we
could do that. Oh we all want to gamble and
then all of a sudden Vegas happens.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Well, Cabo's maybe one of my favorite plays on there.
Yeah me my wife won seven straight off seasons. Really yeah,
it's one of my favorite places in the world. Yeah,
I know, you talk about all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
The one time the Hill Petrigal got like the yeah
you know, okay my man's local.

Speaker 4 (01:32:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, we did that one year and then
that place is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Great because you're five minutes from downtown squid Road. The
whole thing.

Speaker 5 (01:32:29):
My favorite spot is the Hassi End of Beach Club
because you can get those private residents there, like if the.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Wives want to lay out and chill.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
You can walk right from your place down on the
beach and you're like forty steps from like Mango Deck
and all that my fast my favorite bar there, yep.
And then you got the office right there like that,
you can just walk to it all. But then you
get inside your like little gates and you're at a
five star spot.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
You know, the owner of Mango, you know how they do,
like the shows every day, Like there's a wet T
shirt contest one day and the next day it's like
a push up contest. Anytime they do the push up contest,
there's always like the sixty five year old dude who's
like in a baggy T shirt and kind of just
sitting there having a drink. And they get all these billy,
badass tough guys on spring break to kind of go
up there and do their do the test. Well, the
guy apparently he's the owner and he's fucking rocked up,

(01:33:12):
and they like start egging on the older guy to
come and do the push up contest and he's like
all right, fine, takes your shirt off, and you're like
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
He walks up and just muscles out like one hundred
of those things.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
No problem do big buff guys are dropping out like
thirty five.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
And he's a buff old guy. I think that might
be him. That might be him.

Speaker 5 (01:33:30):
Look, that's the cutting the that's the cut in the
hole right behind it, and.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
It sits right there, you know, like that little famous
little look of cobble where they have those like rocks
as you're kind of going out and have that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
Little yeah, well there's a clove.

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
There's beautiful like big rocks that kind of stick out
of the water as you're like driving your boat to
go with marlin fishing or fishing or whatever, and right
there right next to the harbor's mango deck.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
And it's fucking unreal.

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
Let me give you one more like O line deal
and and maybe some of the listeners can apply this one.
So we would host all holidays at our house up
in Buffalo. So we created this deal for Thanksgiving. And
this is like when you talk about catching craft for
the podcast. This is the thing that I would catch
the most crap on for social media every year if
like we played bad on Sunday, Like I would catch

(01:34:16):
a ton of heat for this. So we created this
rule that when anyone could come to the house, everyone
could do it, but you have to weigh in and
weigh out, and then we have this like overall champion
who put on the most weight throughout the day. Well
then we got like real competitive with it, and you
put some money on the line and all that. Where
like I wouldn't even drink water at practice that day
and I get in the sawn us then you weigh
in like super light when you get home. Well then
you're like rehydrate. Well, there's seven pounds right there, eight

(01:34:38):
pounds right there, and then you know, you eat and whatever.
So then we started like posting the rankings online. USA
Today ran with it, and so these weight gain competitions
on Thanksgiving became a pretty big deal in the woodhousehold.
Like and then you start winning some pretty decent cash.
It's like okay, like a grand or something. You know,
like nothing crazy, but like to a young enough to

(01:35:00):
put effort into a young dude on practice squad like.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:35:06):
Richie sat in front of the in front of the
fridge one year and just was chugging wait till he
or drugging water till he.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Gained enough weight to win it, and we so then
we had.

Speaker 5 (01:35:15):
To put like some gentleman's rolls about it, like dude,
you can't just like sit in front of there and
drink water at the end of the night.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
And Richie's mom was going, I'm like, Richie, you're gonna puke.
You're disgusting. Yeah, Jersey girl.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
Where So, when Richie left Buffalo, he obviously went through
a lot of stuff. Yep, where where were you in
his life at that point? Trying to manage all of it? Yeah, honestly,
and I and and honestly, you know, his dad passed
mocked her in the middle of it. Richie, Richie struggled
initially with my career ending more than I did.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Really.

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
You know, he's so emotional and he's so like like
if you're close to Richie, like if you're in his
inner circle, like he loves you, like you know, Richie
doesn't have a wife and kids, so like, well, my
career ended, like he was hurt, hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
And then his dad got sick and passed.

Speaker 5 (01:36:00):
Then you know, Richie has come out that you know,
he has mental health issues, Like that's it's and it's
okay to talk about nowadays, which is great because that
it needs to be talked about. And Jay Glazer's wing
a bunch of good work in that community right now too.
But anyway, so all that compounded on him, and he,
you know, put himself in the media again doing some

(01:36:20):
great stuff and all that. But then the Raiders took
a shot on it, took a shot on him, and
it paid off and he's been a model citizen out
there again. But I believe Mike Mayock their GM at
the time when they signed him, his wife like works
in that space. Oh really, it was like like it
was an advocate for Richie, which was really cool.

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
Richie was was one of the guys that I met
my wife when we got engaged in five weeks, married
in three months, good for you. And he was one
of those guys during that process where I'm kind of
so worried about what other people are gonna think, what's
gonna happen, where he was like he kind of sat
me down, had the are you sure about this?

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Talk?

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
And once I kind of gave him the reasons why
I'm sure. He was like the number one supporter, like
he he and Taylor were great friends. We all went
to Vegas together for the McGregor Diaz fight. Like truly
an older brother to me.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
He he was, he was. I miss him all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
You know, our relationship isn't what it was because of
a lot of things during that time, which is which
is tough, especially having two little kids and you know,
all that stuff he was dealing with. But I fucking
love that guy and I miss him all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:37:21):
So so many people know that me and rich are
so close that when all that stuff started happening to Richie, well,
I'm dealing with my own career ending, and now I'm
just getting peppered with calls and text I'm talking to
his mom every day and.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
All that, and his boy in Utah.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
Yeah, so I'm like talking to all these people and
uh and and so it ends it ended up being
a lot. But it's your brother, you know, Like I
would do anything for that dude, absolutely anything. So it's like, dude,
if it's phone calls, if it's whatever, like I'll do
anything for him, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
You know, So he's happy, and I know that I
don't know what he's gonna do with the rest of
his career.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
He didn't. He didn't play very much last year the
Calf and yeah, like tourist calf. So he was out.
He was out year, and I think I think he's done.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
It's not my job to say what his career is
at this point, but like, if he is finished, you
just hope that he puts enough structure in his life
to kind of like be happy and comfortable where he's at.
He's made a lot of money and he's done his thing,
and you know, he's single, no kids, like he's he
has a great life in Arizona. I just hope he
kind of keeps up with what he's been doing last
couple of years.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
No doubt about it. I'm meeting him down in May
play some golf down in Jupiter. Yeah, so I'll get
to catch up with him. I haven't seen him in
person forever.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
I saw him the last game of the year, the
Charges game. He came through and we were trying to
get into the playoffs, and he was he seemed like
he was in a great headspace.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Monster bear hug. Yeah. I was a little nervous because.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
You know, yeah, we had a will and I just
met when So when Taylor and I got married. We
got married just the two of us on four twenty
because we thought it was hilarious. And then fast forward
like four months later, Talor gets pregnant and so we
were gonna get we were going to get married like
that summer, but ended up like, hey, well just or
the next summer, but we.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
Had to wait. My daughter was born two days before.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
We were like thought about getting married in front of everybody,
so you know, people are more comfortable with it, and
that took a little longer, and Will was Will and
I met like in a short amount of time and
ended up coming to the wedding and we there was
that's when Richie was Taylor proposed to me in five
weeks two. Yeah, it was very fast. It was a
very fast relationship for us. But that's when a lot
of Richie stuff was really at the fort. He was

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going to be a groomsman of my wedding, and it
just where he was at and like how it turned out,
it wasn't able to happen, but he had quite the
experience of being with Richie Good good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
First experience with Richie and cognit you know, all the
stories because he was a Nebraska guy right who got
kicked out and then went to Oregon. Uh so I've
heard stories about Richie, about this dude, and then you
see this stuff in Miami and I felt his fucking
hands when we played at Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
I want to say. I bantered with him a little
bit about it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
And you know, we had an exchange, and you know,
I was a little nervous being around the guy. And
then he was like, oh, we're brothers because Nebraska, and
I'm like, oh, thank god.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Right, yeah, yeah, ground here.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
From the get go, him and I were like the
minute we made So we played I think twenty fifteen,
we played a week It was week four. We played
the Bills and gay By Kurt was there, you know, Gabe,
and he's like, hey, you got to meet this guy, Richie.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Dude, like you guys would be best friends.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
We all went at dinner before the game and then
we worked out that summer together. But even before that,
in college, my my buddy Jordan Kovacs, he was a safety,
white boy, try hard guy, walked on, ends up being
a captain killing it, gets drafted to Miami Dolphins and
he comes in town during his bie week and he's
like dude, there's this guy there. I swear to god,
you guys would be best friends, like brothers. His name
is Richie Incognito. I'm like, fuck, yeah, dude, whatever, don't

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think much of it. Like a week later, the Jonathan
Martin stuff come out, I'm like, oh, oh, that's what
you think about me? Yeah, okay, I might need to
check myself a little bit. Yeah, no doubt man, it
was wild times then too. I really hope he gets
an opportunity to tell his entire story.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
I think he will, and we have an incredible platform
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
That on too. Yeah, I mean I would.

Speaker 4 (01:40:56):
I would love to have him on. I think I
think it'd be very cool to heart over that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
And I'm just kidding.

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
Yeah yeah, we'll do a joint one and then release.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
Its one with the boys. Then can both be on.

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
Yeah yeah, perfect, perfect, Yeah that sounds great. No, but
like there were times in Buffalo so like Richie when
he's in his great headspace and all that, like he
still specializes in cross the line humor like period, like
that's he's hysterical to be around.

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
Mouth hugs, He's fucking hilarious. Gosh.

Speaker 5 (01:41:26):
You know that was back when the media could come
into the locker room all the time, and I'd be like, Richie,
like someone's going to report something you said and it's
gonna get taken way out of context.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
And he'd be like, yeah. I'd be like good, right,
what would I say? Good Richie? Good Richie. He'd be like,
I got you, I got you. Yeah, he'd be like
he'd be like.

Speaker 5 (01:41:44):
Real men, yeah, the best, but he would like be
yelling crap across the locker room, like making fun of
Zay Jones was like who that one of our rookies
at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
He was always picking on to day.

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
Yeah, And I'm like, people don't know that you guys
are friends, right, Like people don't know that you actually
like him, and they're gonna say something again like you've
got to chill.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Buffalo was cool enough never to do it, though.

Speaker 4 (01:42:11):
It's cool, dude. Everything you're saying is the story With
Jonathan Martin. I just I really want him to be
able to tell his piece. You really want that to
be able to happen. Great man, he'd be outstanding.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
I think it would be a very interesting, too dynamic
if obviously we were joking about it, but if we
were all sitting together kind of just talking like we've
all you met him in a different part, you met
him in a different part. I kind of met him
in a different part. Like if you're just talking through everything,
I think it'd be really fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Yeah, no doubt about him.

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
It'd be outstanding about him and Fitzpatrick both draft in
the same year to Saint Louis, and that was you know,
last year could have been both their last year's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
They're what thirty eight and thirty nine years older? Yeah,
they're old boys.

Speaker 5 (01:42:51):
Like that's wild that both of them, Like the Rams
stunk for so long, but like those dudes end up
playing sixteen seventeen years.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
That's why.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Yeah, what I wanted to ask about too, when you
were talking about the Fitzpatrick and he signed the five
year deal and then he played through broken ribs and
stuff like that. Is that something that you know him
well and you see it from the outside looking in
when you see whe of your boys go, you're like, fuck, man, like,
why don't why doesn't the organization see that he was
honorable enough to like play with broken ribs? Right, It's uh,

(01:43:18):
it wasn't one of those things when he gets when
he gets cut or released or whatever that he probably
looks back on him back.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Yeah, you just shouldn't play hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
Maybe, But we talked about early on what everyone loves
Fitzpatrick so much. He's got no ego, Like he would
be like, no, I'd lay on my line from my teammates.
I could go out there and play. But like he
would scramble on a play and come back in the
huddle and not even be able to call the play
call because like he was hurting so bad and he's like,
can't even get through a throw.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
We started that year five and two. They give him
a contract extension.

Speaker 5 (01:43:45):
Our two losses were at Cincinnati, last second field goal,
they were playoff team, at the Giants, last second field goal.
They win the Super Bowl. M hm, you know we're
five and two, we're in it. I tear my cl
Fred Jackson broke his fibula.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
He's a stun Yeah, no doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (01:44:02):
And then fitz breaks his ribs and we kind of
dwindled off.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
It's crazy interesting just derail a team like that, especially when.

Speaker 5 (01:44:08):
Don't have well quarterbacks. Quarterbacks especially and then if you
don't have depth. Yeah, like if you don't have depth,
you're just done.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
One more thing about Fits is he always seemed like
the dude when he'd come in his first four games
where MVP type stuff, and then something would happen. I'm
not sure what it was. He'd go from like throwing
like crazy numbers to three picks yep, what do you
what do you think I tested to that?

Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
So he would have these really hot stretches because Fits
is so smart here prereads defenses and he's willing to
give his guy like receivers love him because he'll be like,
when you have this matchup, the ball is coming to you,
don't let me throw a pick, but like I'm just
gonna throw it up to you, like when you get
this dude on you or you know, he's just he
trusts a lot of guys. Well, you know, I'll throw

(01:44:54):
a pick here, you know, So he can get really,
really really hot because he's an absolute gun slinger. But
like there were times like I was on rexs when
Rex was with the Bills, He's like, I know that
when Fits sees this blitz, like this is where his
reads Like mentally as a quarterback, this is where you
have to go. We're gonna trap him, and I don't
remember if it exactly worked out. But it's like that's

(01:45:14):
how defenses are looking at fits, like, yeah, he's so smart,
he's going to see this, so can we get him
to go over here? But he can just get so
hot because he's given guys chances. He's throwing jump balls,
and then he goes to uh Tampa and he's got
Mike Evans and Shaun Jackson on the outside.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
That's when he showed up in the chains and all that. Hious.

Speaker 5 (01:45:30):
I'm watching that game. That's the year I was out
of the league, and I'm watching that game from home.
He texted me before he goes to press conference in
that outfit, he goes, should I do it? I'm like, absolutely,
your personality hit. Let's go into Shan Jackson standing over
there with those shirt on, waiting for him to give
him back his chains and his glasses and his shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
And all that funny.

Speaker 5 (01:45:49):
But I think part of the reason is he's just
giving guys chances out there. He's trying to throw a
whole shots and cover two and then it can go quick.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
You know, those turnovers and just happened in her damn
d he was a stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
And then he also this is one of the things
we've talked about this at LANK. We actually talked about
this on my podcast last year because I would always like,
we'd be down twenty one points and Fitz would then
go throw another two picks trying to get us back
in the game, and I'm like, bro, quit throwing interception
because at the end of the year, they're gonna be like, well,
Fits had eighteen touchdowns and twenty interceptions. I'm like, and
Fitz is like, I don't give a crap, Like I

(01:46:24):
don't care at all about that, really care what they say.
I don't care about the picks, Like I'm trying to
fight back and win this game. All I care about
is what you guys think. And You're like, I respect that,
but I still want to play with you next year.
And like you, if you have four games where you
threw three picks, they don't care if they were late
in the third quarter, they're gonna use it against.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
You, right. How's that of him being released from and
EJ was EJ Manual?

Speaker 5 (01:46:46):
Yeah, I love EJ. But like they painted, they put
themselves in the corner. They released Fits and then they
have to draft a quarterback. And that was the year
you know EJ was sixteenth overall. That was like he
was the only first round quarterback that year.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Yeah, toughier for QBS, tougher for wo word the who
would you say your five best Buffalo bills you've played with?

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
Is this tear talk? No, I'm just asking.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
Five best Buffalo bills I played with?

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Things about beer?

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
Kyle Williams one God, what a stud I know, ye,
butcher knives he was in.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
If he was in a bigger market, he would be
JJ Watt and all that. Yeah, you know, better than
J Watt because he's awesome, Right, you said it. I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
JJ's tweet today. I just read tweeted that always try
to steal my ship. I can't believe he's been reading
your tweets like this.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
That's crazy. J's on my ass. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
JJ robbed me wrong one time because Fits had to
leave a golf game out in Arizona to go film
something with Zach Brown and JJ Watt, and they cut.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Fits out of it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:49):
When we went to the concert that night, and I
was like down front, really drunk, like if you guys
like like JJ tolten ship.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
Yeah, So why did why would JJ rub your.

Speaker 5 (01:48:01):
On in that scenario. I thought he had something to
do with it. He probably did, But JJ is just
such a me guy. He's such a me guy. I
might have heard about you guys talking about it on
the podcast before, but like you could tell he's such
a me guy because they can't even run blitzes in
Houston because they got to let him do whatever he wants,
and then all the linebackers got to play off of him,
like like we would go in and gash Houston, like
he might have three tackles for loss and we'd have

(01:48:22):
one hundred and seventy rush yards because like he's blowing
like three.

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
Gaps at a time, and he hasn't played real defense. Nope.

Speaker 5 (01:48:28):
And if and if, like you can send a guy
back to cut him, well, he'll jump way out of
the way.

Speaker 1 (01:48:33):
And so now he's complete out the way.

Speaker 5 (01:48:34):
Now you're running inside zone and there's like literally just
a gaping hole on the backside because he jumped out
of the way.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
No, I don't I haven't liked him from the second
Devil's Advocate.

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
He's a phenomenal, phenomenal football player, player, great player.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
Don't like him bleeding and taking his helmet off for
sure was that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
I'll tell you who the real hero was of that
Houston defense was Cushing. Yeah, the real hero stud he
his fans man.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
Dude he had he did a pot with on Brian
Peters's podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Yeah, it's pretty badass, is it. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
He's like one of those dudes. You're just like, hey,
this is a fucking boy. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:49:10):
We uh he came on a visits Louisville, and uh,
we got him. I don't I don't know that he
drank a whole lot in high school, but he drank
on his Louisville visit and he turned up.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
Oh love.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
That's in New Jersey cane and those dudes are fucking crazy. Yeah,
he's a DeFranco boy. He's like a Joe DeFranco's like
a trainer, a well known trainer out in the Northeast.

Speaker 5 (01:49:31):
He ran in that dude's face with that helmet on,
fitted a photoshop of his face on Cushing's body.

Speaker 4 (01:49:36):
But it's like a perfect photoshop. Yeah, that's it's hilarious.
Fishing fits really like that. That's hilarious.

Speaker 5 (01:49:43):
So Kyle Williams, Kyle Williams, I mean I played one
year with t O He's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
Shady was a stud, chased, smart dude. He didn't give
a fuck about Pro Bowls or nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:49:54):
Richie was telling me that he made the Pro Bowl.
He's like congrats. In the locker room, She'd be like, man,
I'm give a fuck about that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:00):
He wants to win games and and he wants to
show out on Sundays. Yeah, and like he's so smart
it's unbelievable. Like he could sit there on his phone
and meetings. He knows everything going on. He'll never mess
something up. And one time, I like, I built a
lot of trust with Shady when I did this, and
we've stayed close buddies. But he, uh, he was on

(01:50:22):
his phone one day. Well, one of the coaches said
something to one of the running backs and he was like,
well I thought we could, and like pointed over at
Shady and I was like, shut your mouth, rookie, Like
that dude's been in the league. That dude would be
a Hall of Famer potentially, Like you've done nothing for us.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
I was like, I just went off on you. Oh yeah,
that's crazy. Shit was on his phone on a meeting
that's yeah, he was like that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
It's always it was always incredible to him.

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
Bless you man.

Speaker 5 (01:50:54):
It's hard to say because you know, he wins two
Super Bowls at the end of his career, but he
wasn't active for either of the Super Bowls. It'll be close,
be a really close call. But Shay was an absolute stud.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
Was incredible. I could just carry the ball like that,
never fumble.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
I know, he carried it like he was like you
know how, you know how all the coaches are like, oh,
he's a fumbler. Still they're showing tape. But if they
haven't fumbled like Shady and they carry he's a fumbler.
He just doesn't know it yet and he's just carrying
it out to the side.

Speaker 4 (01:51:16):
That man never fumbled. He holds it like who was
the dude in the longest yard Nelly. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:51:23):
The amount of fumbles per carry over the ten year
stretch he played, that's that crazy crazy up to a
certain amount of carries or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
But ball Leshaun McCoy.

Speaker 5 (01:51:33):
Fred Jackson, Fred Jackson might be Jackson. I mean Fred
Jackson is one of my favorite teamates of all time.
Just absolute stud.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
Shoot.

Speaker 5 (01:51:42):
Who would be the last one who do I played
with towards the end like Tredavious White. He was a
rookie my last year, absolute stud him.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
Yeah, he's a monster leaving somebody out. Richie, I mean
Richie really really good player. You know which he's on?
Which he is? Play with the what's his name is it?
Lee Smith? Smith?

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Loved that dude. You guys the stories about Lee Smith.
We who doesn't any time I go to the locker room,
they played with me. Lee Smith is guy I don't
know even know who.

Speaker 1 (01:52:09):
Smiths? Just like old school throwback tight end.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
He's in Tennessee, right, Yeah, he's in Knoxville.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
I'm telling you I've heard he's got. He played last
year for the Falcons. Here's how loved Lee is. Like.

Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
Last year was gonna be Lee's last game. So we
do a dinner before the Falcons Bills game last year
night before the game. It's like a private little deals
this Italian spot up in Buffalo, Your Italian spot, my
second Italian spot. I got you, not too loyal?

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
How's the family doing?

Speaker 5 (01:52:37):
But but Arthur Smith shows up their GM Uh both
starting quarterbacks, legendary head coach. Oh he's awesome. Uh, Kyle Pitts, Beasley, Knox.
I mean literally it was like a Pro Bowl and
coaching staff like meeting at this Italian spot the night
before the game, all for Lee and it was just

(01:52:57):
like the coolest environment, you know, like for me.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
I had one of my buddies with me from Louisville
who was.

Speaker 5 (01:53:03):
In town for the game last year, and we left
and I was like, man, that night was good for
my soul, like just to be around like a bunch
of dudes talking ball and like no one you know,
like a bunch of dudes from both teams just talking
ball night before the game.

Speaker 1 (01:53:14):
I was like, man, I missed that crap. But but
Lee is an animal.

Speaker 5 (01:53:17):
But we we found out early on that like we're
cut a little too much from the same cloth, Like
we both have that like go Jean and we had
one really late night together and the next day, this
was during the spring.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
We're like, I don't think we can hang out that often, Bud.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
Like, yeah, we really, we're like super close still this day.

Speaker 5 (01:53:34):
But uh, I was like, man, we got to be
really careful, like because we both have that. Like so
I think I think both of I think everyone knows
about this in both of our households, we get really drunk.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
One night, Lee spends the night in my house.

Speaker 5 (01:53:47):
I wake up in the morning I can't find my
phone and like, I don't care how drunk I get like,
I'm gonna plug my phone in next to the bed
and go to sleep. Wake up, it's not there. I'm like,
where the hell's my phone. I'm looking all over for it.
I look under my bed and it's like in the
middle of the front. Well, I have to like move
the whole bedframe. It's not like you can just lift
it up as soon as so it's dead as soon
as I plug it in. My mom's calling. It's like
nine thirty in the morning. I was like, what the

(01:54:09):
hell is going on? I was calling. She goes, are
you okay? And I go, yeah, why he goes Lee Smith?
She goes Lee Smith called me at four o'clock in
the morning to tell me that you guys got overserved,
but everyone's okay, and oh my, my mom stays up
all night just dialing me over and over and over.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
And he said he he has his.

Speaker 5 (01:54:29):
Wife saying in his phone as like Mama, he thought
he was calling Leslie.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
I was like, well, why the hell would you call Leslie.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
Yeah, why would you do that? Oh my god? Yeah,
Lisa is this guy? Wait?

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
How long was his career? He just retired, but how
long years or something of yours? Blocking tight end. Oh
it's just a grinder, Yeah, just a grinder.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
But I hear just all time stories like around the
building around yeah, groom, everybody walking, legend gyboy. We'll let
him tell. We'll let him tell his tales. He can
come on. Yeah, he's invited.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Shall we do the tears talk? So we're gonna transition
into a segment we called tier talk. We get a
I think it's beers we talk. We're talking beers. We're
gonna have all these beers in front of us, and
we're gonna we're gonna rate them whether we want to
put them in a tier one category, tier two, tier three.

Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
You don't have the best beer on, you don't have
miller light on there? Oh wow yeah what.

Speaker 4 (01:55:21):
Oh it's just a it's a guideline. Now, okay, so
we see the beer, so we know beers. I say, bluss,
I'm a miller like a second blue light. But it's
all good. Your your Miller light like a top tier
Miller Light's like my favorite drinking light beer got you,
But I'm not having one. If I'm like only having one,
I'm having one. If we're having like.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
Ten, Yeah, I'm butt heavy all the way? Is my bro?
Is that just as the logo or that's just like
how you roll both? I guess. I mean they do
a great job branding.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
They've obviously got me sold as a as a as
an all in fan.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
But but heavy is like my favorite go to vacation beer.
Corona Light. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
See, I like sometimes it's just got that skunk, It's
got that skunk pot.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
It's not a bad deal. What about you?

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
Then that my number one tier one? Yeah, it's got
to be bud Light. Uh, I'm sponsored.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Baby for me.

Speaker 4 (01:56:17):
That's that's pretty low down the list for me. Really Like,
I think bud Light gives me a headache. Delicious Hams
is my Tier two a close tier too, But but
Light takes the cake from me, takes the cake. Yeah,
bud Light three. I think Souls number three for me.
I love Soul. I like michelob Ultra.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
Dude. Maybe that's that might not be a popular opinion,
but I like me.

Speaker 6 (01:56:39):
And that.

Speaker 5 (01:56:41):
You know, I'm at a place that's Anheuser Busch. I'm
going Mike Ultra over bud Light. That's okay, all right,
sorry about this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
Yeah, I mean one that's not on here that I
love Blue Moon, Yeah with an orange slice.

Speaker 5 (01:56:56):
Yes, I like it. Yeah, I'm going so what so
what your Tier one is one? Miller Tier two blue
Light well bat blue uh? Tier three, I'm going Stella
like for like having like one or two. Yeah, it
pans out Miller High Life when I had those minis

(01:57:18):
earlier today. Stella like I'm really giving away at the
ariton down here, does it?

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Stella? Yep? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:57:28):
Four chrona light five Yinglinging is like a Winterer beer
for me. It's like a winter beer, winter beer, like
winter winter Golf, Winter Golf's beer, your go to drink.

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
I like, I like crushes beers. Listen to him, I like,
I like beer.

Speaker 5 (01:57:46):
We're tying one on if I but I'm not just
having like one like if I'm doing that, you know
in Kentucky it's like bourbon.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
But I've gotten into tequilas.

Speaker 5 (01:57:56):
I love to get the cleanest gets out of your
system real quick, like clause azul is my favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:58:02):
Like I just bought a barrel of Yeah, is.

Speaker 4 (01:58:04):
That the one that dings at the top. It's a
very nice but there's a lot of preservatives in it though.
Really Yeah, that's what I was told in Cabo Wow. Yeah,
one of the bartenders like, you can have this if
you want. There's a lot of preserverves in this.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
What was he said? Nineteen forty two?

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
He said, Tosa mikos. See I drink a lot of Yeah,
like the best one to have apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
Yeah, I was having last night. A lot of people
do that. Have you had?

Speaker 4 (01:58:24):
We just had middle in on what's there's Instulidom their tequila.
It's a really good tequila. They have three different kinds.
And then Thomas Rhet has one too. I forget what
it was called.

Speaker 5 (01:58:35):
George got one that everyone's like Lebron's got one that
it's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
Yeah tequila, Yeah, what's it called? You know? Almost man,
I was there. What are your five tiers?

Speaker 4 (01:58:50):
My five tier would be bud Light Tier one, Tier
two would be Hams Ham would be hams Light. Three
is probably Soul for Corona, and then I do mess
with the Sekis.

Speaker 1 (01:59:05):
But I like the Seki's amber is solid. See that's
too dark. For me, I don't. I don't like that.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
I uh, the Sekis is solid, but I think I
kind of like that blue Moon vibe.

Speaker 1 (01:59:18):
I like with the orange. But I'm not a huge
beer guy.

Speaker 4 (01:59:22):
But I'm drinking tequila like I like ranch water, tequila
water with lime juice.

Speaker 1 (01:59:26):
You are a big tequila Yeah, he's always a tequila guy.

Speaker 4 (01:59:28):
But one of my favorite things to drink for like,
if I'm having like a cocktail or something like that.
These things right here, This this whistle pig stuff is unreal.
You put that over ice. It's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:59:40):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
Where is that made? Mad Vermont? Okay, it's pretty No,
it's it's it's really good. You chill that. You put
that on on the rocks. It's really good.

Speaker 4 (01:59:52):
Person alcohol, it's good whiskey. It's a really good whiskey
mixer drink. I'm going, uh but heavy, Oh really it's
like that for you.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
Serious.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
My man's nostrils just had a fit. I'm gonna go
butt heavy. Blue Moon, make a little Ultra cores Light?
Say him again, Say him again? Yeah, but heavy? What

(02:00:30):
Blue Moon? What make ultra? What Coors Light?

Speaker 6 (02:00:34):
What?

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
Man? I don't know about this?

Speaker 2 (02:00:38):
Huh oh vacation.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
Tequila Sunrise.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
Then I'll say, uh, Natty Light man, Hey, that's bro
Natty Light like it's it's hated on a lot, like
people get chirped a lot for this.

Speaker 1 (02:01:04):
But if I'm at a local spot, I'm trying the
local I p A s Yeah you know what I mean.
I don't know what I p A stands for me,
neither Indian pale ale. Yeah. I had to get that
out there before Jack taught me. What are your what
are your guys? Is? I know Jack, you guys talk
about what I'm a Corse light guy.

Speaker 3 (02:01:28):
Number one two would probably be Modello love a good
Mexican ale.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
Even throw Takat in there. What thek forgot about that?

Speaker 3 (02:01:36):
Land Sharks great on the beach. I do like, uh,
the Sierra Nevada down there because I made this list,
so I threw that one in there, and crazy I'm
a big Mexican ale guy. Just that was a line
just never doesn't do it for me.

Speaker 1 (02:01:53):
You with that, You're just not in your head.

Speaker 4 (02:01:55):
Yeah, it would probably be like a course banquet or
a Mexican beer.

Speaker 1 (02:01:59):
That's about it. Got Yeah, what about you, you big
Mexican ale guy. What's Hispanic. Yeah. Number one for me
would probably be land shark yingling light.

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
Do sekis Tata and uh Michaelobultra at the end.

Speaker 1 (02:02:21):
JP, you don't drink, but you can go ahead and
it's your fir sotas JP.

Speaker 7 (02:02:27):
Number one, Oh duels number one duels bush light light
like the Zeros Heineken Zeros cors edge, cores edge.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
You just keep giving him.

Speaker 5 (02:02:43):
I had a buddy that quit drinking recently, so I
know all the an aviers. Yeah, when we hit to
pick up a platinums, Uh, what is that extra alcohol?

Speaker 1 (02:02:51):
Don't that? Jn't know that though I didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:02:55):
You don't drink for real, just tequila, just tequila, man, Right,
we got hammered in ann Arbor.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
What am I? Hey? JP got drunk and ann Arbor
we did a little spring tour.

Speaker 4 (02:03:07):
Yeah, it was incredible and uh we got after he
had was it a beer in your hand or a
uh tequila?

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
No tequila shots?

Speaker 4 (02:03:15):
It was no because oh yeah, because we give you
one and we had always one. Yeah, there always be
an extra. So we got after the Nebraska. We had
a great We had a great time at all the spots.
We didn't get to get after it in Tennessee just
because there's a day trip. He said, Nebraska, what you're
talking about Michigan.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
Uh, my fault, Tennessee. We didn't get to get after it.
I'm saying, but you had it. You said we had
a great time in Nebraska. You talking about Michigan and
that we all went out right right right. But I'm saying,
I'm just saying we got after it a little bit
in Nebraska too. We're in Michigan. We have a great
time in Michigan. Yeah, And uh, Taylor pulls me to
the side. He's like, hey man, you know, I've been
looking at JP like I think he got up on
us last week, Like, yeah, we're all a little hungover JP.

(02:03:54):
I think he was saucing every other shot. So we
gotta get I do believe that we got to get
him sucked up up and and I agreed with him.
I'm like, yeah, bro, we gotta get JP sauce.

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
So every time we order, every time we ordered drinks,
there would be an extra shot and it would always
be like, hey JP. And then we started j JP
JB and I'm talking the bar was involved in everything,
and yeah, just getting into.

Speaker 1 (02:04:18):
We got him slaughtered bro will take advantage of me
later that night. Yeah, that's crazy. He wanted the left doors.
I was like, you gotta work for these left doors.
I'll come on in. Oh, dude, you got j That
was a great time.

Speaker 4 (02:04:32):
Was so much to it was the past was fun too,
but it was on spring break. Yeah, it would have
been way more break.

Speaker 5 (02:04:38):
I've thrown shots on the floor in the bar before.
I know where light beer is gonna take me. That's
why I say, like going to a concertors to night,
like I'll just drink light beer. I know is exactly
where it's gonna take me. I know I'm not gonna
make a fool of myself. And you get to a
bar and ever you know you guys know like when
you're playing ball and everyone's, oh, let me buy you
a shot, and buffalo people love like it's all like
a shoting beer, shotting a beer like.

Speaker 1 (02:05:00):
On the side, or you like hit him with the Ye,
be clear. I never threw my shots on the ground.

Speaker 4 (02:05:04):
You lying like a rug on a rich man's floor.
Tar their swift, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:11):
You for sure did.

Speaker 2 (02:05:12):
Yeah, he was doing something. He was babysitting drinks or something,
because he was the heavyweight.

Speaker 4 (02:05:16):
Okay, he was running from bar to bar, running rinting
Withers me. All the old lineman from Michigan came out
with us. So we were all having a good time,
like getting after it. And we were at this place
called Scorekeepers, and we go to the Brown Jug, which
is like.

Speaker 1 (02:05:34):
Two blocks away.

Speaker 4 (02:05:35):
He keeps us a blast and we go back to
the Brown Jug and we're getting an uber and all
of a sudden, we see JP fucking raining outside. He's
fucking pretty another and someone goes, hey, who's got JP?
And one of the old limono we got him and
he fucking messed like three minutes after the car.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
Who got out of the car. We're getting rides home
and he's taking like a little bike taxi. Hey he
was acting a fool, dude. It was so much fun.

Speaker 4 (02:05:59):
We had a blast, dude. The Spring tours have been
crazy for fun. I'm gonna need a special guest appearance
next year on those.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
Yeah, hey we're trying to go.

Speaker 8 (02:06:06):
Let's do Louisville. I'm down to It's not far away
at all. Yeah, two and a half three hours is
it time on Louisville? Oh yeah, we have great time. Yeah,
we can like The best is when you stay over night.
You stay over night and get after it, like you
can kind of be Like we were at skaps and
some girls like what do you do for school? And
I was like, oh, bro, I'm thirty. Like he goes,

(02:06:27):
why are you here? And I was like that's a
good question. I like walk away asked like those were ranging. Yeah,
I'm back in college right now. But it's crazy, dude,
it's fun.

Speaker 1 (02:06:38):
That was a blast.

Speaker 4 (02:06:38):
But we definitely the overnights we want to asu next year.
You have a next year. Some of the Florida schools
we're trying to stay warm next year. We hes all
damn cold schools. Yeah, it was a blast, though. We
should do Louisville because we were talking talking about bringing
people with us, like having.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
Like our like if you go to Iowa, try and
get kill on board, go to Louisville, get you go
to Georgia, get Ben Jones, like get like guys where
they went to that school.

Speaker 1 (02:07:00):
No doubt, Louisville's coaching staff is awesome too. You love
those Oh really, Soderfield's great. You think we can get
a jersey? Absolutely? See okay, guys quiping guy's my boys
telling you, bro. We went to Tennessee and they didn't
the ball.

Speaker 4 (02:07:14):
I'm a ball baseball guy, but no, I've been tweeting
at the balls baseball team too. I followed him, and
I'm like, oh, we're built different out here. I'm a
ball and I've worked out at Vanderbilt, so I went there,
and I guess all the football team is like killing
the string coach.

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
That trains me, like, well, what the fuck's the wand
doing out there? Yeah, because you're because you're of all.

Speaker 4 (02:07:34):
I'm a ball, I'm not a vall. I'm a ball
baseball guy. I'm obviously a Michigan football guy.

Speaker 1 (02:07:39):
Well yeah, for sure, but I'm in the brass football guy.
So we're on Michigan wolf ringes. Yeah, it's true, you
know what I mean. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:07:46):
We'll have to see at the end of the year,
in the fall when the balls play the Vanderbilt where
I draw the line in the sand?

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
What's crazy? But I can't Vanderbilt.

Speaker 4 (02:07:58):
If they played the Vanderbilt sorry and van I Vanderbilt
hooks the boy up with the jersey, they might have
the edge. But if Tennessee brings that jersey, they might
have me too.

Speaker 1 (02:08:05):
I don't know. I'm so easily bought.

Speaker 2 (02:08:08):
We stand any any school we go to, like, oh,
I'm gonna root for you guys, know yeah, Oh that's
like if I'm not room for Nebraska, if I'm not
room for Michigan, I'm gonna be room for Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (02:08:15):
Yeah, that's how you gotta do it one hundred percent.
Eventually we had all the schools and be like, we
just want everybody to win.

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
We're gonna be yeah, yeah, yeah, give u participation teammates, Yeah,
giving speeches at all of them.

Speaker 1 (02:08:25):
That's awesome. Well, I think we've ran this one drive.
I think we've done it. We've been it's been a
great time.

Speaker 4 (02:08:30):
It's been an outstanding time. We're happy you came on.
And it's ten year anniversary. Yep, ten year anniversary.

Speaker 5 (02:08:36):
We got engaged at a Garth Brooks charity event out
in Vegas, like twelve years ago. You guys, we did
the exact opposite of you, Like we got we took
our time. Yeah, y'all went, Hey, there's a bunch of
ways to kinn a cat, no doubt about it. But anyways,
we got engaged at a Garth Brooks charity event. You
know twelve years ago, so celebrate ten years at a
Garth concert tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:08:56):
Pretty tight.

Speaker 5 (02:08:57):
That's all we actually found out, unless it was any
with our daughter the day of a Garth concert, like
Garth's been there to meet him. I don't think so,
because they stopped doing like all the meet and greets
for the people that are involved with the foundation with COVID.

Speaker 1 (02:09:11):
I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (02:09:12):
I got in this bad ass barrelhead like, uh, hand
carved of him and Tricia show a picture. But uh
so I dropped that off to a social media director yesterday,
and so'd be cool if you give a shout out.

Speaker 1 (02:09:27):
But you know, did garst Worth assault you have a
shout out? You're O, that's cool. Yeah, that's awesome. Did
you name your son Garth? No, he's Garrett, but that'd
have been tight. I might start calling him Garth.

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
I was gonna say all this, all this, uh, all
these hints at Garth man, it's kind of like written
in the stars.

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
Of slopping in the face, Yeah, telling you what to
do right now the universe.

Speaker 5 (02:09:49):
Garth's a freaking awesome person, though, like like some of
those guys aren't all they're cracked up to.

Speaker 1 (02:09:55):
Be when you get to know him a little bit.

Speaker 5 (02:09:56):
We hosted a football camp in Louisville together for all
inner cities kids. No one knew who Garth Brooks was,
and that's how he loved it. Like sitting there in
a hoodie and a hat, just like chopping it up.
But the moment like he sealed the deal for me.
He's just sitting over there talking to my father in law.
Doesn't know he's my father in law, talks to him
for twenty minutes. My father in law is one of
my favorite people in the world, but he's a maleman.

(02:10:17):
He can do nothing for Garth Brooks us sat there
and talked to him for twenty minutes, loving the breeze
with him.

Speaker 1 (02:10:22):
I'm like, he's a real one.

Speaker 5 (02:10:24):
Yeah, guy that's not worth their uh the like the
coldest anyone who has been like you know, like they
come through Louisville and you know they're playing at our
basketball gym and whatnot, like we'll generally meet him or whatever.
Zach Brown was like like one of the dudes who
like didn't offer to like have a drink or whatever. Yeah, like, oh,
one of my buddies had grown out of he was

(02:10:45):
doing like November. This was a kind of early in
my NFL career, so twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, so we're
not like we're like in our late twenties.

Speaker 1 (02:10:54):
He grew up like this massive mustache and he was
joking around.

Speaker 5 (02:10:57):
He's like, man, I've been I grew up this mustache
for the concert and Zach Brown's like, that's a weird.

Speaker 4 (02:11:02):
Man, really, And then and then and then you know
his chicken fry dude, and he's cold beer on a
Friday night music.

Speaker 1 (02:11:09):
I'll meet you, hear us. I love his music. I'll
let you do. They kill it? Dude. What's that song?
Ows me out? Yeah? Probably older Weather. Oh that's the song.
Was just trying to think of you and I'm stucking
cold weather. Maybe tomorrow will be bed?

Speaker 6 (02:11:29):
Can I call you? Then?

Speaker 1 (02:11:31):
Doom Doom Doom because I'm a ramsom man and I
never got to change. He got a gypsy soul to blame,
and they were bone for leaving bone believing.

Speaker 6 (02:11:48):
Well, it's a woe row when you're in the lost
and frown, you're a lover runner, and we go round
and round Doom Doom Doom.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
Because that last I feel like we've I was I
can't think.

Speaker 4 (02:12:05):
I kept thinking that one of you two It was like,
both of you guys are gonna stop and let me
keep going.

Speaker 1 (02:12:09):
I was.

Speaker 4 (02:12:09):
I love singing, yeah, always, what's that he was ready for?
He was ready for us to turn the volume down
the car on him real quick.

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
One of my favorite things to do is get up
on stage and single with the band.

Speaker 5 (02:12:19):
You talk about trying to replicate a rush, Yeah, playing
football like singing in front of a crowd is awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:12:24):
I love it. What do you got? Should have been
a cowboys like my go to, but like I'm not
doing it here.

Speaker 4 (02:12:28):
Like we get a couple just wearing my six shooter
riding my pony on the cattle drive.

Speaker 1 (02:12:35):
I'll put I'll pull it.

Speaker 5 (02:12:35):
I'll probably I'll probably end up on the stage tonight
at the stage or something.

Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
Because you and Garth boys like that. So you can
get out there.

Speaker 5 (02:12:42):
Where's my buddy at one of my boys, Chris Ferrara,
Common Good He's playing at twelve thirty club tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:12:49):
So awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:12:50):
Spot by the way, it is, it's a cool area,
Like that's one of my favorite spots. I was sitting
that was sitting there one night. It's like the table
that's kind of like right by the stage, and I
was sitting there. Waitress came up like that's where JT
sits when he comes in. I was like, oh, it's
a special smith.

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
This is nice. Yeah, I get to rub off on
you a little bit, you know what I'm saying. It
was the troll. He was branch. Do we got anything else?
We all got anything. We haven't hit on anything anything.

Speaker 5 (02:13:16):
Foundation Foundation evan Wood Fund. So my little brother was
born with severe several palsy. He passed when he was eleven.
So we got that up in Buffalo stuck. So now
it's called the Evanwood Fund. It was the Airwood Foundation.
I made it the Evnwood Fund. It's under a children's
hospital up there. So now they pay all the administrative fees,
which is great. Yeah for all athletes that are starting
foundations and all that make it a fund under a

(02:13:38):
hospital and then they'll pay all the administrative fees. So
instead of donating sixty or seventy percent, we donate ninety
seven percent of the money donated, I say donate, all
of it goes to the families.

Speaker 1 (02:13:49):
It was to like, hey, well, we had to.

Speaker 5 (02:13:51):
Pay a few bills and all that, like that three
percent covers like booze at our charity event.

Speaker 1 (02:13:55):
You know, like, yeah, you know, so that's been a
ton of fun to do.

Speaker 5 (02:14:00):
Throw the money out there. No, yeah, it's that's an investment.
But now that's been fun. Got the broadcast, he got
the podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:14:06):
Yeah, what's next with Eric Wood? What's next with Eric Wood?
Boy was coming out? What what would be the go to?
People are like, all right, I'm gonna go check out
his podcast? What's like an episode? You're like, all right,
go to this.

Speaker 5 (02:14:15):
Great question if you're into like personal development, like ed
my Letts as good as it gets, you know, John Gordon,
those types of dudes, those are great. If you're looking
for a fun one, go listen to Ryan Fitzpatrick t
O was pretty good on there. Joe Tom like if
you like oh line talk. Joe Thomas was great. Nick
Hardwick was great.

Speaker 1 (02:14:33):
Okay, Joe's awesome all the time. Joe is on the
bus Man. We've had him on Zoom but not the bus.
Are you doing she Code? Are you working with them?
I'm doing it in two weeks? Yeah she could. She Code?

Speaker 4 (02:14:44):
Is Armando the guy that I've been working with for
like brain hacking, like development breaking through those walls as
a child.

Speaker 1 (02:14:51):
Oh the mental guy, Yeah, mental coach. I could have
just said that the first time. I actually it actually
ran away from me real quick. And I'm excited about
that e md R treatment.

Speaker 5 (02:14:59):
Like I'm excited about it, and I think I'll like
I had some traumatic stuff, so like I think that'll
be really beneficial for me. But even like in talking
with dudes that are transitioning out and be able to
refer him to a bunch of other guys, I think
that could be something that comes out of this.

Speaker 4 (02:15:13):
It was all time, when the when the when the
Titans brought him on and I've been talking on like
three four years ago. I want to talk to somebody
kind of figure out these demons. And they brought them
on and I was like, who wants to do it?
And I was like, I'm all about it. So Armando's
my boy. We've been working a lot, so it's it's awesome. Yeah,
like the first five sessions, I cried losing it. We're
doing a three day intensive in Louisville where like it's

(02:15:34):
like all day, no phone, nothing. Yeah, yeah, I heard
about that. I need to do one of those two. Yeah,
sounds like a wreck. You're gonna wreck my world and
then hopefully just like bring me out of it.

Speaker 1 (02:15:42):
God, you'll be glowing at the end of it. He
is so smart too.

Speaker 4 (02:15:46):
The way he breaks things down tells you things, like
the way he makes you search throughout your brain.

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
It's a crazy deal. How often do you work with him?
Once a week? I need to bump that up in
two weeks though. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:15:57):
I mean, shoot, therapy is incredible, right, it really is,
And they can get any kind of therapy in their life.

Speaker 1 (02:16:02):
I feel like that's like a it's it is extremely beneficial, right,
But this dude's worked with so many athletes, like he
gets it right, right.

Speaker 2 (02:16:10):
No, Yeah, but for people out there thinking all they're
doing this some like some like extreme athletic hack for
their brain.

Speaker 1 (02:16:16):
No, like that applies to anybody, right, Yeah, no doubt. Yeah.
Be able to live free with not as much weight
on your shoulders. What a way to live. Yeah, it's
really the dream. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:16:24):
He was saying like, if you have if you have
open loops of like traumatic experience in your life, you
don't even know that you're triggering those moments. And I
haven't even done the treatment. I've just had a bunch
of conversations with him and looking into it. But you
go back to the mental state that you were in
at that age and that emotional state whenever you're triggered
in any type of way, and like it might be
you know, a death of a loved one, it might

(02:16:46):
be alcoholic parents, whatever it may be. But like something
could trigger you and you don't even realize it, Like
it might be just like the way you someone made
you feel, made you feel in that way, then all
of a sudden, you're like a freaking six year old again.

Speaker 1 (02:16:59):
Like emotion and mentally.

Speaker 4 (02:17:00):
Yeah, I tell you what, you do an hour session
with him and you leave that session feeling amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:17:06):
He plays music for you, he does he.

Speaker 4 (02:17:07):
Has a whole like work with this guy who does beats,
but he put beats together in this like a way
that helps your brain like relax.

Speaker 1 (02:17:15):
It's a crazy deal. It's a crazy deal, but it's
really cool, really cool.

Speaker 5 (02:17:19):
I gotta get both of you guys on the podcast.
Try to record with Will. First time in my life
the internet went out at our house, so.

Speaker 1 (02:17:24):
I try to do that. We got back up. Was
it during COVID, Yeah, it was during COVID.

Speaker 5 (02:17:29):
I mean, it was great stuff, and then it was like, well,
we can't even do it next week because it'll be
like we're just repeating. We're gonna we're gonna try and
recreate the same stuff and it won't be nearly as good.
I'm like, let's just let it breathe for a while
and we'll go back and do it again.

Speaker 1 (02:17:39):
Now I've kind of forgotten exactly get back into it.

Speaker 2 (02:17:41):
Yeah, we would try and reconnect, and I would try
and put myself in the same like state where I
was like going and I'm like, are.

Speaker 1 (02:17:48):
You there, Oh dude, I was that's tough. Yeah, we
got We tried it there on a couple of times,
and then it was zoom.

Speaker 2 (02:17:55):
So you're like you're sitting there way and I feel
like everybody at that point in COVID, like we're doing
our You're like trying to figure out the whole Zoom
game and everything else.

Speaker 5 (02:18:02):
A touch of a lag, so you've kind of interrupting
each other a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I heard you
with my my boy cow Rude Off he's one of
my best friends. I heard you all with him and
like kind of stepping on each other's stores on. Yeah,
that would be really hard if you're not in the
room together, if you're co hosting.

Speaker 4 (02:18:15):
Yeah, that was definitely a tough deal on Taylor and I,
like we're not some buttoned up Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:18:22):
There's no there's no no doubt about it. And you're
trying to run the conversation. You know, you don't want
there to be just you don't want the guests to
be sitting there like we done.

Speaker 4 (02:18:30):
If we're talking to you, Will and I can kind
of feel like when the next person's got a question
when we're with each other, but if you're on the computer,
it's like, I guess like you're kind of you get
to a point you're like, man, I don't want this
to be like an awkward pause, So I got to
ask this question.

Speaker 1 (02:18:41):
But Will is probably thinking the same thing. Right he
goes ask question, We're like, well, hey, you go ahead.
You know what I'm saying. You both say you go
ahead and all right, and then it's just a fucking deal.

Speaker 4 (02:18:53):
Then you just stay there there, you go ahead, you
go ahead, kind of stare at us, look down on
your phone, fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 (02:19:00):
We appreciate it, bro, Yeah, i'mbscribed to what What's next
with Eric Wood? Check out those episodes. But this was
a This was a great episode. I don't have to
look at notes like it's all.

Speaker 5 (02:19:09):
Time, no doubt, no doubt about it. Yeah, and I
appreciate you let me come on. I mean, I've been
a fan of the show, so I'm honored.

Speaker 1 (02:19:17):
Yeah, Tier three Cat in our Hands, Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:19:20):
I didn't get to uh, I didn't get to ask
about because you're a huge football junkie, so the answer
will probably be no. But now that you're doing the
media stuff, do you think back, like, ah, man, if
I would have if I would have struck a little more,
started a little earlier, Because to me, it's always different
when you're you become a retired player versus like being
in being an active player. That's what I feel like
it has been very beneficial for us is doing it

(02:19:42):
like wall we're kind of playing. Obviously, it's it's hard
to be like, yeah, I mean I probably wouldn't have
done it as playing, but now that I'm doing it
doing it currently, it's like I should have probably done
a couple more things early in my career.

Speaker 5 (02:19:54):
I think, especially with the media world, the more connections
you can make like you don't even necessarily have to
get reps, but like you better be treating those national
media members with a lot of respect and make as
many friendships as you can. Like I wasn't even like
I thought I was gonna play for five or ten
more years, so I wasn't like thinking about it all.
But then Mike Silver and Ian Rapperport and all these
dudes reached out like, hey, you need an agent. You
want me to help you get a gig here, you know,

(02:20:16):
And then they'd be like, hey, can we make an
introduction to ESPN here and there? And like those were
all just people that throughout my career, you know, just
treat them well and so like and make those connections,
make friendships. It was Albert, It was a bunch of
people that like helped me get into it because you
treated them right, And I think that goes with anything
in life.

Speaker 1 (02:20:32):
But then, you know, I love what you guys are doing.

Speaker 5 (02:20:35):
Like having passions outside of ball is healthy too, you know,
like in having something that you can pour into. But
I always warned people, like I always tell people, I'm like,
if you're too like if you're skipping workouts and stuff
to go do this real estate gig and all that.
Like you're gonna find the end of your career a
lot sooner than you would have otherwise. So you need
to be all in on ball and then if you
have time to do something else, perfect do it, especially

(02:20:56):
if it's something like this where it's like healthy, it's
not like tracting from ball and it's not like you're
out like doing something that. It's not like you're not
playing basketball you get hurt or whatever. Yeah, I say that,
but like I tell people, I'm like, man, you start
doing real estate, you'll realize quickly. Like those dudes that
make four or five hundred grand, that's a lot of money. Okay,
if you make five million bucks, that's ten years, right,

(02:21:20):
work into real estate, like it's only one year. Like,
be really careful when you're putting too much time into
something like that in the off season.

Speaker 1 (02:21:27):
Yeah, football is definitely. Don't say that for credit, No,
not at all. Yeah. Yeah, those paychecks they just don't
fall off a treatment. Yeah that just playing in general too.

Speaker 4 (02:21:37):
Oh fuck, it's like you said, like you just wake
up and you just can't play anymore, and it's like
there's no time, there's never you'll never be able to
go back and try again.

Speaker 2 (02:21:45):
And it's not a sport where you go and play
recreationally like basketball, you can stay involved hootball, you can
get on a softball team, like you can do stuff
like that. Ball you ain't going and be like, hey,
let's fucking let's get the boys together real quick.

Speaker 1 (02:21:58):
Boys, yeah, which is.

Speaker 5 (02:21:59):
Actually awesome because then you can just be the greatest
forever and like no one's ever gonna be like, dude,
let's do a one on one passer. You're like, no,
we're not doing that like that, Like so then you're
just good forever, like you're good. But like you see
these like former tour pros, they'll play in like a
pro am and they're like terrible now and they hated
and they're crated, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:22:15):
You never have to get that way about the game.

Speaker 5 (02:22:16):
But last thing for me, but I really appreciated earlier
when you said, like when you were running today, like
you had that like the presence about you to say like, man,
I'm grateful that I can even out here running and
like it sucks to on a conditioning session, especially you
said you almost passed out. I hate to be like, man,
I'm grateful for this opportunity because I know what how
crappy was last year. I couldn't even run. Like if

(02:22:37):
people will ask me, like what do you regret anything
from your career? And like my biggest regret was, like
the first five years of my career, I put so
much pressure myself, Like, man, I bus like I keep
getting hurt, you know, like I cared like way too
much what everyone thought. And like the last like three
or four years of my career, I would just drive
to the stadium with.

Speaker 1 (02:22:54):
The sound off and be like, man, how cool is it?

Speaker 5 (02:22:56):
And I only lived my way, so it's like five minutes,
a couple of stop lights, and I'm there.

Speaker 1 (02:23:00):
I'd be like, man, how cool is this?

Speaker 5 (02:23:01):
Like I didn't even start on my high school football
team as a junior in high school, and now I
get to go to an NFL facility and work like
and I would walk in each day just like on
fire to be there. And that changed my mindset completely,
just like a small little gratitude practice. But like when
you're in the league, like enjoy it, Like you work
so hard to get there. In the moment, it's tough,

(02:23:21):
you know, cause you're always worried about like it right
when you get that next paychecker or am I going
to get cut.

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
If you lose?

Speaker 2 (02:23:26):
You put something bat on film, you're watching it any
times a night, like fuck, yes, bring this up in
the meeting tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (02:23:30):
Yeah, but it's like, man, you get to be a part,
Like you get to live out your dream like enjoy
it and who gives a crap if you have beat
to play. It took me a while to realize, Like
those dudes on Defense get paid too, right, Like it's okay,
yeah it is.

Speaker 4 (02:23:43):
It's all about how it's worded to you two as
you're receiving it from your coaches. Yes, like if the
coach doesn't understand that they get paid too, and it's
just like this cloud of like nothing's ever good enough.

Speaker 1 (02:23:53):
That's hard to deal with.

Speaker 4 (02:23:54):
That's hard to But you have to be comfortable with
yourself working with a guy like Armando and doing that work,
so you can be like, Okay, I'm doing what I
need to do, and then you can be like you
can be strategic about how you approach the next thing.

Speaker 1 (02:24:05):
I have to work on my hands. I have to
work on my set.

Speaker 4 (02:24:07):
This way, my hips turn when I go to transition
with the guys on the high end of the rush
like those types of things, Like it's all about incrementally
figuring out those little things and you just keep progressing.
That's what great thing about campus camp fucking sucks. Nobody
likes camp, but if you take it and like, I'm
just gonna get better at this today, your whole game
doesn't have to be good. But if you're like my
backside cut offs. You don't ever have a backside cut

(02:24:28):
up in a center, but like your man reaches or whatever, right,
you're like, if I can just fit this good today,
solid day, be a great all around game.

Speaker 1 (02:24:36):
You're not there yet. It's August, it's late July, whatever
it is. So making the most of it, for sure
is everything.

Speaker 2 (02:24:41):
And sometimes when you're getting coach trd like knowing that
it's not like an attack on you personally, like it's
not about you, Like, yeah, one thing that what I
would think about holst me that would help me is
knowing that that coach then leaves our meeting, has to
go into a bigger meeting and they might be getting
cussed at about something that their players are doing. He
might be projecting, or him having his own deal with

(02:25:03):
you just knowing like, yo, it's not even about you probably, Yeah,
And there's.

Speaker 4 (02:25:07):
A it's tough too that when ego gets in the
way of like if your coach like Keith our online coach,
he's never played offensive line, he was a tight end.

Speaker 1 (02:25:14):
And then there's these.

Speaker 4 (02:25:18):
There are times where there's a there's a little bit
of a disconnect in a way where you're like, dude,
like you're asking for something in a simple way that
it's not it's not that easy to do, right, you know,
you can't like it's easy to talk about doing something
or where your hat's supposed to be bullets are flying,
Like shit's a little harder. That's what the great ones do.
They make it look easy. That's what it's a rable comment.
The great ones make it look easy. Joe Thomas is

(02:25:38):
the perfect example of that. He would just go and
you I'd watch them on a film legit be like yo,
fuck Joe, Like he makes it shite look so damn easy.
Never touch the ground in a ga maargic, just like chilling.
I'm like, how is he getting back? And the guy
just kind of falls into him. Yeah, I'm make my
tenth Pro Bowl in ten years.

Speaker 5 (02:25:54):
You know it's ship like that an awesome story of
my podcast about to keep that start streak alive.

Speaker 1 (02:26:01):
He didn't practice for like four straight weeks. His back
was so bad.

Speaker 5 (02:26:04):
He was doing like two and a half hours of
treatment before games, getting it shot up. He couldn't even
sit in meetings. He had to stand because his back
was so jacked up. And they're just like wheeling them
out every week. But he had so much pride in
that star streak and he was like, man, at this point,
I like I can play, Yeah, I can get out there.
So like, what's it saying about me now? If I've
made all this money and I'm making these Pro Bowls

(02:26:25):
and now I shut it down? Like am I selling out?
And like, yeah, I couldn't do it. And he was like, man,
it was like really dangerous what I was doing, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:26:32):
I was.

Speaker 4 (02:26:32):
I was at the game when he towards Trice up
he was playing as Italians, and I was like, it
was literally like watching somebody like I don't know, like
an older brother.

Speaker 1 (02:26:40):
I have to be like watching a superhero.

Speaker 4 (02:26:42):
Yeah, but it was like home Bown, What the fuck's
that movie with the fucking the Fox and the Hound
When the Mom gets killed and you're.

Speaker 1 (02:26:49):
Like, dam like you feel emotion like that, and of
all the things to take him out of.

Speaker 4 (02:26:56):
Wild, bro, you know what I'm saying. But like it
was like he was coming towards us. I was literally
like sitting parallel just watching Joe, Like that's how you
know you're that good. I'm on the sidelines a'fter I
get whatever the coaching notes or or whatever, I go
in the on the side, I'm watching him play, just
to watch this. It's Joe Thomas and it goes down
and I'm like, fuck, dude, that's wild. Just crazy that
he did it for so long. I have that many reps,

(02:27:19):
ten thousand whatever reps. Yeah, just wild on a terrible team.
A terrible team, you know what I mean. I don't
know if you talk about this on your podcast, but
I heard he was gonna get traded to Denver the
year they won a Super Bowl. Really and then I
this is all he said, she said stuff. I have
no idea, but apparently he went to the GM and
I was like, please don't trade me. I want to
I want to be here, and then they put in

(02:27:39):
the form like three minutes late. So it never actually
the transition transaction never happened. Wow, we won a super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (02:27:45):
That'd be a cool story. I know, I wonder if
that's true.

Speaker 5 (02:27:47):
But playing in the same spot your whole career, Like
there's something to that that's so cool that it's different
because I think they made the playoffs one year. But
like for me, like I couldn't leave Buffalo and then
have them make the playoffs without me, Like that would
if I was still playing and Buffalo made the playoffs
and I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:28:02):
There for it, like that would have crushed me.

Speaker 4 (02:28:05):
I know, I know we got to go, but like,
how are you gonna feel if the well Titans win
the Super Bowl this year? But like if the Bill
has ever beat the Titans for a Super Bowl, Like,
how is that going to make you feel?

Speaker 5 (02:28:14):
I mean, I'm a static for them in success now,
Like I have no ill will. That's part of the
that's one of the good things about like your career
aning the way mine did, Like there's no chance to
be coming back. I didn't walk away, right, so like
I can truly just root on those guys, and I
love those dudes, like Brandon Bean's Like we we've talked
about you know what happens when we went in the
Super Bowl, Like am I in the longer room like

(02:28:34):
am my parties and it's like you're.

Speaker 1 (02:28:36):
Everywhere I am. I'm like, I love you, b Yeah,
get a ring. It does better you get a ring.
That'd be hard. Yeah, that ring is the coolest thing. Yeah,
it does suck. Thinking like the team you just left,
like if they do well, well, I was. I was
extended to be Josh Allen's center.

Speaker 5 (02:28:57):
Like they knew they were going to draft a quarterback
high the next year, so they extended me to be
like his mentor essentially, which would have been super tight
to like, yeah, one day walk away and then you
like poured into someone like Josh.

Speaker 4 (02:29:08):
Yeah, I was just got all the talent in the world.
He's unbeliev Yeah, he's unreal. Yeah that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:29:14):
Well appreciate you, bro. Now, well now we'll go ahead
and in this one for yeah, for real real, Yeah,
I'm putting the mic on beer.

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