Josh Pate Discusses The College Football Playoff W/ Will Compton & Taylor Lewan + Army Vs Navy Picks

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to another episode of The Locker Room. I'm your host,
will Conta. We got Taylor Lawan, we got industry plant
Josh Pate. We're gonna be just talking about Army Navy
this weekend. A lot of stuff to cover. The system
in college football is broken. We're gonna talk Miami Notre Dame.
Interestingly enough, I didn't write this stuff down. Alabama should
be a third with a question mark. We're gonna be

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talking college football, playoff futures with FanDuel. We'll be talking Heisman,
We'll be talking all things chaos and college football. You
look at the standings, We're all below five hundred. Taylor's
in the lead, thirty eight, thirty eight and thirty nine.
Josh Pate, thirty seven and forty. Your boy Willie see
thirty five and forty two. We're gonna have an incredible show.
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oldcast talk about it?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Should we get it? May be a little weird. Should
we give ourselves round on the pause or wait for
somebody and that's watching, Well, someone's gotta guys, seriously, thank
you guys. Really shouldn't have stop.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
You shouldn't unnecessary, guys.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Incredible necessary, But since you guys clapped, you might as
well talk about it.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Was I hearing before the pod that uh, Pate was
just breaking down? Pate, Yeah, self scout with an IVY
in his arm, came.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Back in full help.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
I don't know that the ivy was necessary masculine. Yeah, yeah,
So I'm sitting in the chair this morning because I
get the ivy. Truthfully, I don't even know what's in
that bag, but they put something in me every Wednesday
morning at seven am. So I have not watched the outcast.
All I've had is my mom told me it was good.
A few dudes online told me it sucked at which
we talked about off air. Maybe we can mention on

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are if we have time later. And that's all I
knew about it. We got good feedback from the people
that matter at ESPN, though, and then it occurred to
me this morning to search for it, and it's available
on the ESPN app.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
So I had the IV.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
In my arm, which I just realized I still have
the mandate on my arms.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I want to make sure that take.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Care of everything.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
And I watched I watched the film. I thought we
really peaked in the second half as the game went
downhill quickly. So maybe the people did not see the
best versions of ourselves, but I thought it went really good.
You called Quevo mister Quavo several times, had to several
times special you want to be a little more formal.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I think that's the way to do it.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
The boys were laughing at it because I gave him
a handshake like you apparently dapped them up right before,
and I just.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
What's weird about that, too, is like you usually dap
everybody out. Hey, man, great to see you, and you
go like this, It's never it's never this.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
After that early season incident up at ESPN though, with Hawk,
I think you've been a little trepidacious with the handshakes here. Yeah,
you got no problem shacking my hand, checking Taylor's hand.
There were some hands though that you still look at
and you go, how do I HA?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Not mitches, not JP's.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Not Jazz.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
I think we all know what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Not Clay's.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, yeah, I thought the first quarter first off, the
dry run. We've talked about it on the busting on Busted,
but like I was like more, I was very excited
about the op knowing that there's four of us and
like all of us together lifting this ship of like
calling the game, talking about even the person who's like

(04:29):
being the quarterback and just going to play by play.
You can jump into any moment and give great insight.
I was like, man, this is really gonna be a
lot of fun, Like the boys just kind of hanging out.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
And then when the dry run happened.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Which, by the way, dry run caught me off guard,
No doubt they know we're gonna be doing a driver.
Once the monitors started going, I was like, what's happening here,
Josh going, isn't that the worst?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
First couple of times you do something and things are
just happening, Yeah, you're realizing like, oh shit, I'm supposed
to be focused on this.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, when when will did his drive run and they
looked up and just went nottice run.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I thought, oh my god, we remember we stocked into
the whole thing up.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, and credit to Willie Bompton Man. As soon as
the lights are on, they said, hey.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
We're on. I had to go next play.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
You crushed it. I had to go absolutely killed. It
was awesome.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
And then the dry run.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
To be clear, there's nothing scripted about the game except
the first five minutes before it kicks off, which is all.
We had to do a dry run, and the producers
were in the truck like, hey, let's do a dry run,
and we are supposed to go in order, and they
got preset packages and we got it timed out when
the anthem's gonna happen, when the teams are going to
take the field, And you dropped this like forty five
second to minute and a half, just nugget of wisdom

(05:39):
about offensive line play.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
And they come in our ears like, Taylor, that's great.
That has nothing to do with what we're talking about
right now. Queue it back up, start the try run.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
So what's wild is I'm learning about this right now
because I never heard the producer say that.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Great points I wasn't hearing it either.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
I was just I was hearing the monologue Taylor was
going on and seeing the screen switch and everything else.
Just kind of chuckling to myself like I'm thinking, like,
I'm sure we're probably supposed to have to get back
g Pot somewhere in here.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, yeah, long boy man, long winded boy. And then
when it's like so loud and Josh, You're like, you
clearly look at one of us. One time you and
I made eye contact and you're talking, I can barely
hear you. And as you're speaking to me, Kaitlyn comes
in over you, and so it goes jump, I can
hear you two. I'm just trying to read your lips
now and I just stare you for and I'm like,
I got in my head most of that kills Hey,

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by the way, I'm thinking of myself, Kaitlyn. This is
the worst time he's looking right at me. I'm supposed
to talk next year. I have no idea what he
wants me to talk about. Here we go, We're gonna
be going to commercial in like ten seconds. Yeah, I
just started talking, and I'm like, oh, ship, all right, I.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Hear hearing her talk over the year, knowing that we
can't hear ourselves, and then just witnessing Josh continue to
stay and flow state going into commercial, I was like.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
You know what it is to do with a pro
you know what it lets you know, it lets you
know never sit at home and hate on an announcer
for getting a name wrong, or for tripping over a word,
or for occasionally, like mispronouncing the town they're in. Those
dudes have air traffic control in their ears, and it's
like a very, very roided up version of what we

(07:16):
were doing.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
We had minimum traffic in our ears.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
If you're doing legit like play by play in the booth,
you got thirty seven different voices in your ear, Like, yeah,
if I pronounce a name wrong every now and then,
not the worst thing in the.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Work, wind, fight or flight the entire time.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
The one time I'm breaking this is it.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I'm breaking down number three c J al and I'm
going on this huge rant and it was number zero.
Their d tackle talking about the guy talking about the
alpha the SEC correction hand up.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
That is not CJ.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Allen.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
You're gonna get that a few times from Willie See
on this all.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Cast thought that was a great ownership.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Though.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Don't wait for the quality control email Monday morning.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Just own it on air because you know everyone's yelling
at you on the TV anyway.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
So this dude is an idiot, Well there he is.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
He's calling himself an idiot. We're gonna hear it a
few more times, boys.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
C J.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Allen, really good player though, really good Who was your
favorite guest that we had?

Speaker 6 (08:03):
What did you guys think about? Like Taylor, Josh, You
guys obviously were speaking with your inside voices. Will just
felt like he was screaming the whole time.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, Will was Will was the night before WrestleMania ninety three,
Will went full Ultimate Warrior.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I was really surprised. No face paint, that was all.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
That was a little, a little bit.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
There was a part of me that started thinking about
it before the game, but I was like, let's not
let's not get too obnoxious.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
We talked. We talked to the lower level, He talked
to the three hundreds. Yeah, he talked to the upper deck. Yeah,
you're in every man's.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
People in just in a crowded bar watching the game.
He's I want to make sure everyone.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Can hear Will.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Will's the Roman Emperor in the coliseum before technology exists. Yeah,
I've just got to speak with my outdoor voice or
these people aren't going to hear me. I gotta yell
kill and it's got to echo around this entire building.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
But PI he brought when.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
If you watch back, I'm sure there's a couple of
times if we're on camera and Will starts to talk,
I'll just go to my f like turn it down
for a second. If it finishes it, I'll just like
go back and turn it up. So else because dude,
I don't know about you guys, but like when I
got home, my ear was ringing until like two o'clock
the next day.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, like just because do you have two in two?
I had two.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Guys just started talking to me.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
I'm like trying to get to his other ear because
I'm assuming and he's like leaning that ear and I'm like, no,
I'm trying to speak to just you nobody.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
And then my hand on, let me get this thing
out of my ears, And I really.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Got both of them.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
I just have the one in my right ear, so
I can kind of like, I don't know, I feel
with that much.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
You kind of think like you're in a little more
of a bubble.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Oh, I very much felt like I was in a bubble. Yeah,
anybody was talking to me. I was like, hang on
a second, I just give him.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's my only chance of hearing you.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
It was so confused with me for like the first
thirty minutes, I'm like, why can't he just hear the
words coming on my mouth?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
We're in a commercial, right, no one's screaming.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
It was great too.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
We got Sean Alexander that walked up, We got Brandon
Spikes walks up. We had Quavo later in the show,
later in the broadcast, walks up. And they're walking up
and they're talking to you, and you have no clue
what they're saying, and you you either put your own
mic up to their face, or if you don't want
to seem really weird and they don't even know what
you're trying to do, you just kind of daffle up.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Meanwhile, they walked up for all you know.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
I say, bro, my grandma died last week and I'm
still happy to do the broadcast.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Absolutely, that reminded me of you brought up Sean Alexander.
There was one time we're going into commercial and he
was taking the entire he was talking the entire time.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I'm like giggling to myself.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Here's like, I know Peyton wants to get in here,
but Seawn Alexander's stopping.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
He started talking, and I see the monitors go to
the first commercial. He's still talking. He's still talking, and
I'm just looking at him, and Harry's like, like one
a guy.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Harry's making him feel so good.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
Right now we're fifteen seconds Aflete commercial. Shawan Alexander's dude.
I remember we played here in ninety nine. Yeah, and
we beat Florida and Spikes is standing over there. It's
the middle of an afflet commercial.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Middle of it.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
It was great.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Spikes was awesome.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
He came in with some serious energy. Could have done
the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, Spikes, Yeah, I can't wait to get him on
the bus. He should be part of the squad.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Mister as well. Be nice to get him on the bus.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
He won't Spikes, I could feel like I'm saying, because
he's he's a superstar.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
He's a rock star. He's got things to do.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
People see, he's gonna he appreciated. He's not like he's
not a bar, that's all. He's not above us. Anytime
we'll see us, he'll he'll dap it up, he'll chop
it up. If we need him for a segment, I'm
sure he'll come on if he's at that place. But
I'm thinking, like I'm thinking over all picture, we can
probably hit of spikes, and Spikes will be ready to
get down to Nash.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
No doubt, Spikes will be ready to go.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
Let's also posted you guys on his Instagram, so.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
They follow him.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
I don't know he was like that, like I you know,
I still got a k next to mine, which is
let's dive then before we get into Army Navy. Well
that's obviously.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
That's the main events.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
The main event Miami Notre Dame. And you said I
didn't write this, but Alabama should be in there as well.
Have we not cleared the air on the playoff? Like,
where do you sit right now when you look at
these twelve teams?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I sit at it in twenty twenty five this season,
the college will playoff.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
The system is broken?

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Yeah, I agree, the process is broken or the system
is broken or are they the same thing?

Speaker 4 (12:23):
And this is coming from an industry plant.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, I would.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Honestly, I don't even know. I'm kind of nervous speaking
in front of Josh because you know, somewhere in that
ear he's got a bug in there.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
There's somebody in New Yorktown. What you say, Yeah, here
he goes, he's wired. There's things to fix.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
So to me, it's broken, acbreaker, I agree with you
on that.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
Okay, you keep broking me a plant and then agree
with me. I need the stuff that you think I'm wrong. Yeah,
but sorry, are you saying that? Are you saying time out?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Are you saying the system's not broken?

Speaker 4 (12:55):
I'm saying the process is broken.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
I'm saying the system can't be broken if it gave
me the team I think should be in, not the
G five teams.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
That's its own separate thing.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
You and I agree G five. You and I agree
on the G five things. Okay, so some broke the
G five thing. We all agree with that. If we
could take that and we could set it on the table,
we agree on that. The rest of it, which came
down to the whole Miami Notre Dame, Alabama thing, it
gave me the teams that I thought should be in.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
So obviously I don't.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Think the entire system is broken, but the process the
Tuesday night rankings release Hunter you' acheck the like North
Korean style propagandizing right up until the eleventh hour, and
then they just flip the pancake on Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Notre Dame's rightfully irate about that. They opted out of.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Their bowl game, which I thought was a little extreme,
but still I understand why they feel that way. And
so even if you did get it right, even if
the product is right, if the process is wrong, you
just like fomented distrust in the entire thing. So from that,
from that angle, yes, the model or the system is broken,
but I don't think the results were broken.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
If that makes any sense.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
It makes a little bit of sense. But Notre Dame
all the way up until that point, like Notre Dame
got squeezed out of the College for Will playoff. Yes,
like we watched with their own eyes Alabama get whooped
by Georgia.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yep, we're up there.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
And I'm not saying by you should have been in.
All the way up until the very end of the rankings.
We all knew BYU wasn't going to be in. But
the way they talked about BYU. We saw what happened
on the football field today and that kind of you know,
they were never going to be in the equation. We
bumped them back, and then you go into full protection
mode for Alabama that they don't even drop a ranking.
So what I'm saying is Notre Dame was sitting at nine.

(14:32):
And by the way, they never really explained why they
flipped Alabama. Notre Dame. Hunter sat up there and talked
about they had a gutsy call on fourth down when
they survived Auburn, and Notre Dame whooped Stanford, but they
flipped your boys.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Here explained it to you. I told you what they
were doing. Insurance policies.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
I told you what was coming.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, an insurance policy in case we got the doomsday
scenario that you called a long time ago there, which.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Is amazing that the doomsday scenario that you've been talking
about for multiple weeks literally took it took place.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
But also like, let's all right, so that's corrupt. What
you said is corrupt the I guess the fallacy, but
that's not really the right word. The flaw in their
entire approach is they overcorrected to begin with, so my viewpoint,
I got to zoom out the telescope a little bit.
My viewpoint is Bama should have already been ahead of
Notre Dame. But I also believed Miami should have already

(15:20):
been ahead of Notre Dame. But they really knee jerked
several times in this whole process. They knee jerked in
that when the rankings came out. That was I think
right after Bama lost to Oklahoma, or either the rankings
came out then Bama lost to Oklahoma. They dropped them
like six pots, which was way too far. So that
was point one. Point two was when the rankings came out,
Miami was at eighteen, which was too low.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
We said that at the time.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
I didn't even know that we were going to head
towards this conclusion, but I said at the time, there's
no way Miami should be that low and Notre Dame
should be that high. The third part, Notre Dame being
that high, I thought was sort of predictive. They were
putting Notre Dame high in preparation for what they thought
Notre Dame was going to do.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
But that's not what you should be doing with the ranking.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Your ranking should solely reflect the body of work not well, yeah,
we know Notre Dames lost two games, but we think
they're going to go on a run, so we're already
gonna put them where they would be if they went
on that run, because then what you did is times three,
you made a big mess down the road where you
had to correct it. Because what they're hopeing is they
can screw the rankings up and then the teams will
just sort it out for them, kind of like Lane

(16:20):
Kiff in an Old miss. They knew if he was
going to leave that they weren't going to let him
coach the playoff, but they kept on putting off facing
that fact because they just hoped the world would work
itself out. Well, it didn't, and then it got really
messy at the end. The playoff committee didn't do their
job properly, so it got really messy at the end,
and so then people have like this tunnel vision. They
got the racehorse blinders on and all they see is

(16:42):
that final snapshot, which is totally fair. It's not the
public's job to do the committee's job, and so the
public looks at it and sees just what you said
and just what I said, which is independent of what
I think should have been.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
What was was Notre Dame.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Was ahead of Miami going into the final week, neither
of them played, and then all of a sudden the
eleventh hour, the Committee came in and said, well, you
know there's a head to head.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Between these teams, we need to flip them.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Well, the head to he was their last week and
two weeks ago, and three weeks ago, it's been there
all season.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah. That's my point is when you're looking at deep
state college football and big conference, they're talking to us
like they're talking to America, like we're all idiots, and
we can't see through what they had to do in
the eleventh hour because the way it was set up
like Notre Dame was again number nine for a long
period of time until they dropped a ten. We go
into conference championship weekend and everybody talks about should conference

(17:32):
championship games meet anything?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Should they not mean anything?

Speaker 1 (17:35):
We saw two teams BYU and their championship game, Bama
and their championship get whooped, and again the Committee went
in full protection mode on Bama and protected their ranking
at large because we were having the conversation the night before.
This is one where Notre Dame and Bama are now
side by side. They could easily flip back to where
Notre Dame is now nine, because again they still never

(17:56):
explained why they put bam my head in the first place.
But we all knew the insurance policy. But now Alabama
sitting there at nine, they got whooped. They sit there
and talk about BYU their ranking didn't get protected out large.
I know they were never in the College wall playoffs.
I know they were never getting in unless they want,
but they still drop to get Miami right next to
Notre Dame and now on their feeding everybody that had

(18:18):
the head game, which is that's what they want everybody
eating at. But if Virginia wins, Miami's not getting Notre
Dame is in the college football playoffs, Virginia is getting in.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
That makes sense?

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Two things? All right?

Speaker 5 (18:29):
So you asked, what do you mean about the ACC tiebreakers?
So I'm gonna hit that in a second, because that
would have fixed everything. That's simply young people are making
this argument, and people are saying, hey, why did Brigham
Young fall? But Alabama didn't fall because they look the same.
On Saturday, both of them are in conference championship games.
Both of them lose convincingly. Brigham Young drops what they

(18:49):
dropped one spot, two.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Spots, dropped enough to just ki Miami next.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Even if they dropped in one spot, they dropped further
than Alabama, Becausbama didn't drop a right. A couple of
things that if I wanted to play Devil's advocate, if
I was a deep plant, and I may be, what
I would say is one of them is a comfortable truth,
and that is Brigham Young winning got smoked by a
team that already smoked them before. Bama went and got
smoked by a team they beat in their own building

(19:14):
earlier in the season. So at least Bama's track record
has a win over Georgia this year. B why you
never got close to Texas Tech. The second thing, this
is the uncomfortable truth, is what I told you last
week and the week before, and that is, whether people
want to admit it or not, the treatment of conferences
is conditional in college football. The Big Twelve is not

(19:34):
going to get the same respect the SEC does. The
Big Twelve is not going to get the same respect
the Big Ten does. And that's just the way it is.
You don't have to like it, but I'm telling you
that's why that happened. And then the third thing, the
ACC tiebreaker, which I keep glossing over because I think
people live in the weeds of this, but they don't.
If nothing else changed but the ACC fixed their tie breakers,

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none of this would have happened.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
And what was what needs to be fixed with the
AEC TIB breaks.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
All they would need to do.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Everyone's first tie breakers had to head. So if you
and I were six and two in conference, and I
played you and I beat you, I get the tiebreaker.
That's that's universal. The second tiebreaker should be conference standings
based on the college football playoff rankings. So if we've
got a five way tie in the ACC, it doesn't
come down to what a sixth grade calculations equate to

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or whatever like, it should be the college football playoff rankings.
And in that case, Miami would have gone to Charlotte
and they probably would have won convincingly. Miami would have
been the ACC's team and it would have been a
moot point. Bama would have been in only one G
five team would have been in. Notre Dame would have
been in, and Miami would have been in. Yeah, instead,
we got this because the ACC couldn't get out of

(20:44):
its own way to the point where a five loss
team ended up in their conference title game.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, Virginia couldn't get the job done with the ACC.
You wouldn't have to, you wouldn't have the two.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
Yeah, you wouldn't have those two G five And if
Virginia got your job done, there's not that much different
than virgin and a G five team like Virginia is
going to be a sixteen some odd point dog, whereas
James Madison's a twenty one point dog. Either way, there's
going to be a huge gap, Like there's gonna be
an undeserving team by universal standards in the playoff either way,
Whereas if Miami would have gone to Charlotte one, at

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least you have a playoff caliber team. At least you
have a team loaded up with future Sunday guys, a
team that realistically could make noise. You don't say that
about Tulane, you don't say that about James Madison. Now,
if we could broach this for just a second, the
whole G five inclusion thing, I think a lot of
people make faulty arguments about why the G five shouldn't
be in the playoff. So you've got people who think

(21:38):
the G five should be in the playoff. So we'll
do this again. They're on the table here, they're not
part of this conversation. You already have your opinion. There
are those of us, are you, and yeah, you're definitely man,
You're mister ANTIG five.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
So not I respect you.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
You You desrise the very fiber of the being of
a player on a G five ord Michigan.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yes, so I would.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Say road State to argue for Taylor when we were
first talking about right here, okay, well defending Taylor when
we were first talking about the G five teams on busting.
It's more so twenty twenty five watching the G five
teams knowing like none of these teams should be in
the college close, not with the way we're arguing about
all of these other teams that are on the bubble.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yes, you are believe every G five school like remembers
Boise State, Oklahoma, Fiesta Bowl, AB State, Michigan.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Well okay, all right, I'm just I mean a State
Michigan as well, Gain And then they think, oh, we
could do all these things. But that's like, hey, bois
State that year in the Fiesta Bowl. I guess olomost
an outlier. If the College Will Playoff was structured at
twelve teams, I agree they should probably be.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
They would probably be like seven Boise State making it
last year.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I'm like, yeah, okay, I could see this team coming
in being a little destructive or making games closely at
least competitive. But I don't think G five teams should
just get a bit in because it's fair, like we
all all have to be equal to making sure that
everyone is represented somehow, like college football has been.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
These kids go from.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
High school, they're one percenters, they get to go play football,
whether it's a big school, small school, whatever. When it
comes to the College Fool Playoff, I want the twelve
best teams that are going to be the best matchups
down to the wire games that can sit there and
be like who truly is the best team? Because the
only I keep bringing up Vanderbilt and Texas can be
in the conversation too. It's in like Notre Dame, like

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they all should have a good argument to be in
the College Wall playoffs. We get it was never an
option because one G five team has to make it
and now because the ACC can hold, they're into the
bargain of being a power for conference, they two G five.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Teams have to get in.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I have respect for both those teams, but I do
not think they should be in the College World playoffs right.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
I think there's there's you see, yah, the system's broken,
systems broke.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
But here the thing I love about this season, though,
is stuff like this has to happen for change to
take place because a lot of people. I've seen a
lot of people go, hey, we gotta go to six team,
we gotta go.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
To twenty four.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
It's like, if you keep kicking the can down the
road more and more teams. And a couple weeks ago
I said he, I was like, I kind of like
the idea of sixteen. I don't like the idea of
sixteen right now because the process, the timing, the calendar
has to change for the count for the playoff bracket
to be correct. Then we can go and look at
the sixteen, the twenty four whatever people want to do,
the playing games, those types of things. But if it's

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not fixed at twelve, it's not going to be fixed
at sixteen because we're gonna have the same argument just
down the road.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
So I agree with you. The three of us largely
agree on this G five stance.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
But here's what I want to say to anyone out
there watching, because there are a lot of debates about this,
and people get themselves caught up in debates, and one
of the worst stances you can take about the G
five view is I don't think G five teams should
be in because they can't compete in the playoff. I
don't think JMU should be in because they're going to
get blown out by Oregon. It leaves this really, really

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obvious hole in your theory.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
And that is what happens.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
If they go out there and it's a competitive game
in the fourth quarter, your argument is shot.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
That shouldn't be your argument.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Like what your argument should be is, I don't think
G five team should be in the playoff because here's
my argument. I don't think G five team should be
the plaoff because they don't meet the minimum baseline of
struggle during the regular season that it should take to
merit playoff inclusion. I was looking at the schedule last night.
I took JMU and I took Oklahoma, and I put
them next to each other. And I just looked at
our power ratings, they're going to be similar with everyone's
power ratings, like FanDuel would have roughly the same numbers.

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JMU played no teams power rated top thirty. They played
one team power rated top fifty, and they lost to
them by fourteen points. That's Louisville. Outside of that, their
toughest opponents are. Their toughest opponent was Old Dominion, who's
number fifty two. That's their best win over number fifty two.
Oklahoma played eight teams power rated in the top thirty.

(25:43):
They're not playing the same sport, so I don't My
argument about the G five would be the same whether
JMU gets beat fifty to nothing or whether they legit
going upset organ That proves nothing to me because I
don't judge you based on what I think you would
be capable of. I judge you base what I think
you earned. And my very simple stance on G five
is the strength of schedule that they play does not

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warrant inclusion into the playoff because you're not playing the
same caliber football. You're not playing the same caliber of opponent.
So like and the other thing is, if people want
to go back and point out the upsets in the past, dude,
the boiss of like the late two thousands, those teams
would murder current G five teams because you didn't have
the transfer portal and NIO. That works the way it
works right now. The way it works now is anything

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that is like the slightest blinking light on these G
five rosters immediately gets posts. Yeah, by the big boys.
It happens with coaches too. We're watching both of these
teams in the playoff whose head coaches already took Power
four jobs. The players do the same thing, So it's
impossible for a G five program to ever start to

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elevate to the level where they would be remotely comparable
to the big boys. So then people listen to that
and they stop listening really thirty seconds in, and they
just think, oh, man, you must hate the G five.
Why do you hate the little guy? Why do you
hate us having a seat at the table?

Speaker 4 (27:03):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
I just wish you had your own table that made
sense and it gave you enough to eat to where
if you really do get big enough, you take the
place of one of the weaker guys up at the
head table. Because we got plenty of weak chairs at
the head table. So if you want promotion and relegation
to where you're not permanently banished to table number two.
But we're also acknowledging there's a clear difference in Louisiana

(27:24):
State University and Louisiana Monroe University. That's the world I
would love to live in. It sounds so logical, and
then they just they beat it like a piniona right.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, for me and for G five's to even have
a conversation. To get in the playoff, it would have
to be like, you're twelve and oh.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
It's obvious without an auto bid.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yes you're you're twelve and oh and you're winning. You're
winning all your games by multiple time shows. And it's like,
to them it might be unfair, but based on like
the old dominion being their best win. As Jamie you
were talking about, yeah, being their best win. It's like
that's crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, ol.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
When someone says old.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Dominion to me, I think about a band, not a football,
maybe the freight line. It's like, that's nuts. And now
we got to deal with those two teams. The thing
I do love, though, is like now we get into
and I thought like one of your points was maybe
the best point is like, to get into collegeable playoff
you have, did we have a minimum ranking and.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Or a minimum struggle struggle?

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Yeah, It's like if I could be the top ranked
figure skater in the world and you could be number seven,
but if you actually have to go and do all
the flips and the triple axles and stuff, and I
just kind of skate around on a pond, it doesn't
really matter what people think I would be capable of.
He actually went and performed under pressure with judges and

(28:38):
people looking at him, and maybe the ice wasn't as
smooth because the little Zamboni machine didn't even clear it
off for you. You had to go out in the trenches
and you had to earn it. I'm just sitting over
here saying, well, think about what I could do. It
doesn't matter what you could do, right. That's why, like
I think it's it's the dumb slant of an argument
to just say, oh, I don't think James Madison should
be in cause they're going to go get killed. Like

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with SMU last year, I thought SMU did belong in
the playoff because I thought they earned it through meeting
a minimum threshold of strength to schedule. Then they went
and got blown out by Penn State, and a lot
of people said, oh, that's proof they didn't belong.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
No, it's not.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
It's just proof they're not as good as Penn State. Yeah,
but they belonged in the playoff. Conversely, JMU could go
play Oregon Razor tight and it doesn't prove to me.
My argument's flawed because my argument was never about what
they're technically capable of doing in one four quarter game.
Because what I don't think they could do over the
span of twelve four quarter games is go to Iowa

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and go to Penn State and face Indiana and do
what Oregon had to do.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
That's what I don't think they could do.

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Speaker 2 (30:11):
We do the work well said, you said something earlier.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
I want to talk about the SEC bias because you
earlier were talking about SEC Big twelve. Big twelve is
never going to be compared to the SEC Big twelves
are going to be comparison to the Big ten. But
also it's like we were on the All cast and
I sat there a couple times in that second half
and I'm looking at the camera and I'm like, putting
Notre Dame in Miami both in the playoff over Alabama.

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I think everybody understands that the SEC does carry They
carry the bigger stick, they carry the deeper pockets, They
have the most depth as far as talent different rosters
and teams in the SEC. But that, to me, it
doesn't mean that we should just accept it when we
know that, hey, there is there, very much is SEC
bias coming into this equation because when they put Notre
Dame in Miami in front of the people, and all

(30:58):
we do is nit pick as much as we can
for whatever their resumes are. We talk about their Week
one matchup where Miami beat them by three points. We're
talking about how badly they beat teams who were inferior
to them. But then when Alabama gets in this situation,
they're getting whooped right there in the SEC Championship game,
and you're thinking, well, what was Alabama doing in Week

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one when Miami beat Notre Dame by three points? They
were getting mopped by Florida State. And if we're looking
at how are they performing late in the season against
inferior opponents. They beat South Carolina JP no disrespect. They
beat South Carolina by seven points. They had to hang
on to that. They went in they they didn't beat
LSU very badly when LSU had just fired their coach
and Bama was coming off with bye week, I believe.

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And then they survive Auburn limp into the SEC Championship,
get whooped by a team that they had beat by
three points earlier in the year. But they got whooped
same way BYU, same way. We've seen ass whoopings happen,
So to me, I'm thinking, I feel like it's justified
when everybody's thinking, Yo, is Alabama a top team that
should be the collegewall playoff over these other teams that

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we're arguing about on the bubble because we've seen them
over the last month and they're clearly wounded going into
this thing.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Do you mind if I ask one question before you go.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
What I'm going to do over here? Why you ask
is I'm going to zoom the telescope out? Okay, because
I have context. You're not wrong.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
I just have context to add to.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I'm with the telescope thing too.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I just I don't want to know if at Obama
did not play Georgia in the SEC Championship and we
didn't set the result that has wiped from our brain.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Do you believe Alabama should have been in the playoff?

Speaker 5 (32:26):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yes, Okay.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
So if we're going to go into an SEC Championship
where there's two other teams that are in the playoffs
already that didn't earn the right to play in that game,
and we're gonna three three excuse me, and we're gonna
judge those teams. We're gonna judge the two teams that
have earned the right to play in a game for
a championship and we're gonna judge them so much that
they are now losing a chance to which is the
ultimate prize in the national championship. How is that fair

(32:50):
to Alabama because they can lean on eight They had
eight guys out, so I think three or four are
the best some of their best players on the team.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
And yeah, to that, I agree, But that to me
is where it's like, the fact that they got protected
with their ninth ranking at large is what blows my
mind because again, they can still earn their way into
the playoff because you move them down to ten, they're
still in the playoff in that situation. And to me,
it's like, are these championship games, like what do they

(33:20):
even mean to everybody? Because if Bama wins, they all
of a sudden, we're talking them getting the potential by
week they get to jump up so many slots, it's
a reward. It's like, okay, if they mean if the
championship teams mean nothing for the teams that lose that
are already positioned in the College Wabill Playoff, it's like,
all right, this is a dumb argument, but it's like,
all right, so Ohio State lost by three why should
they lose. They're at large ranking still being the number

(33:43):
one team, But I know that's just a flip. They're
playing for the one seed. Yeah, I'm just taking multiple
movement overall. Why are we moving teams? Why? Okay, b Y,
you got whooped again protecting they're at large ranking at eleven,
why do they have to get moved down.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
If two teams play each other in a championship game
and the winner of that game got a buy that's
worth playing for.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Also, Alabama plays that game knowing, Hey, if we win it, yeah,
that's what we're playing for. We're playing for a conference title,
and we're playing to jump up into the by Terrace Hill. Yeah,
if they lose it, even if they're still in it's
not like they got They didn't get punished because they
end up being one of the only teams in the
playoff that ended up having to play five games to
win a national title. Like from the end of the

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regular season, you go play your conference title game, we'll
miss it.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
A and M's not. Oklahoma's not. They're sitting at home.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
So if you go playing Atlanta and you lose, it's
not like that game didn't happen, right, it's not like
the bumps and bruises didn't happen exactly. Then you don't
get a first round by so you got four more
to go. After that, you end up playing five games,
which is probably impossible for them to win a national title.
But go back to the telescope, if we zoom it
out a little bit, they did get smoked by Florida
State at the beginning of the year. They did get
smoked at the end of the year by Georgia. They

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did look suspect on the road against South Carolina. They
did look they looked okay, like they covered against LSU.
It's just defense had to carry it diverdly. They did
have to hold on against Auburn. All that stuff happened,
But it's important to note that right before that, they
had that stretch where they had to play at Georgia
with one of the best wins in the season, going

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on the road and winning in Athens, and then they
had to play Vanderbilt and beat them by double digits,
and then they had to go on the road before
Missouri was injured and their season was shot, and they
beat them on the road, and then they had to
come home and beat Tennessee. So that little four week
stretch that's more impressive than anything anyone went through all year,
I think provides a lot of context in terms of injury,
in terms of vulnerability down the stretch, for why Alabama

(35:34):
looked the way they did. And while everyone's asking, well,
what were you all doing while Notre Dame was busy
playing two top teams in the beginning of the season,
Apply that same logic when Notre Dame was playing that
like jelly middle of their season, what was Alabama doing?
Bama was in the meat of their schedule playing a
troism in a row. Instead of there's one here, then

(35:55):
a month later there's another one. They went boom boom,
boom boom, No bye, go on the road to Columbia
South Carolina, And like that's why I remember when we
wrote that game down and we were just talking about
get out of there by one point, get out of
there by any means necessary, because they're beat to death.
Get to the bye week. However, you can like, it
was just big for me that they won that game period,
having provided the context to what they had just gone through.

(36:17):
So you can apply like you'd apply that logic, but
to me, you gotta apply the whole logic, like you
gotta look at the whole picture. That's why I didn't
think it was unfair that they were in the top
ten nine whatever. You can argue they shouldn't have jumped
Notre Dame right before the final Sunday, But my counter
would be they already should have been ahead of Notre Dame,
so it should have been a moot point, which was
kind of my stants all along. I thought it was

(36:37):
dumb that they weren't ahead of Notre Dame. I thought
it was dumb that Miami wasn't already ahead of Notre Dame,
which provided a lot of the fireworks.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
At the end.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
But we end up arguing about like the merit of
teams when you ought to be arguing about how like
mind numbingly stupid the process of the committee was. Because
you find out, oh man, a lot of us actually
kind of agree. What are we yelling about. We're yelling
about the committee. That's what you're yelling about up Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
And the way the committee breaks down the games were
going for four, if you know, being it is so
ridiculous when he could literally just use logic to explain
their answers and it's it's simple like Miami head to
head and common opponents were better than Notre Dame, regardless
as the beginning of the season, at the end of season,

(37:21):
whatever it was, Miami should be over them.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
That's just what is.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
They're more deserving regardless what they're better or not. If
you just say that, is Notre Dame really feeling this
big of a fit We're now they're like breaking all
ties with the ACC.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Now, you remember.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
Going into Conference Champions of Saturday, when they jumped Alabama
above Notre Dame. I looked at it and I said, oh, well,
better late than never. You corrected your flaw. Then Hunter
y're Achek, the committee chair, came on camera and Rhese
Davis asked him why Alabama jumped Notre Dame, and that
dude started listing the reasons, and one of the things
he said was, well, you know, they jumped out to

(37:55):
a seventeen to nothing lead. Auburn came back to tie
the game, so they also blew a seventeen to nothing
to lead.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Well, they ran the ball better today.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
Well, you know, they had a gutsy call on fourth
and two and I just sat there and I just went, oh, No,
I can't defend this he made They made a move
I agree with, and yet this sounds so bad. Yeah,
I'm gonna have to spend all my time criticizing this,
even though it correlates with a decision that I agree with.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
It's the craziest thing that.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, to me, that's where it's like, if there's accountability
in the college world payoff committee, to see how they're
breaking all this stuff down, because again he sang all
that stuff publicly, making you know, making everybody else feel like.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yo, we see through all of this bullshit.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
We're gonna need a better argument, an argument that you
provided with Alabama the Gaullt being being in the playoff,
and to me, it's like the logic of how that
year ended and everything else, that logic is like, where
is that logic when again, they could just move down
they're still in the playoff and they could just move
down a slot, but they couldn't do it because Virginia
couldn't take care of business for the conference of the
ACC So they needed to find a way. We got

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to figure out a way to get to manipulate this.
Get these guys together. Hey, we value the head to
head game It's like that wasn't it. If Virginia wins,
Miami isn't in over Notre Dame. I can't believe this
is now?

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Can I full it one more theory to you guys?
This is a very fifty thousand foot theory. So a
lot of people are saying that playoff expansion is the
way you fix all this. I of course disagree with that,
but let's remove the Notre Dame stuff for a second.
Think about Vandy, think about Texas, think about Brigham Young,
because those are teams that were just on the outside
looking at or last year it would have been South

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Carolina and Alabama and Ole Miss. So last year people
were saying, we need to expand. These teams deserve a shot.
I disagreed. It is my belief that people being mad
at the end of the season isn't automatically evidence that
something's broken. I think that if you have a playoff
that's the proper size, you'll know it because there will

(39:57):
be anger at the end of a season because it
was exclusive to where not everybody could get in. Therefore,
some people were left outside the door banging on it.
But that just means there's still enough scarcity and that
valuable thing you have that it means something. If you
expand to the point where no one's mad, it means
you've got a playoff that's way too big.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
That's how I feel about that.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
I don't disagree that twelve teams is the proper amount
for a playoff. I just think in twenty twenty five,
where we're currently at with this system, the system was
broken this year because of two G five teams being in,
and there was the squeeze out operation to get Notre
Dame out when they led them to believe the entire time,
when all these rankings came out every Tuesday, that they
were going to be in the college football play You believe.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
This happened to Notre Dame of all programs, because for
my entire life grown up in the South, I was
taught that the entire system was rigged in the favor
of Notre Dame. Yeah, and now we fast forward to
present day and Notre Dame's making the kind of argument
that like a Fresno State would have made in the past,
of man, you're boxing us out. The system's built just

(41:03):
rigged against us.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Notre Dame. Notre Dame football, it.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Was the favorite child of rage against the.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Machine South Bend, Indiana, who also.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Notre Dame got a clause in there.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
What was it the MoU where it's like, if they're
a ToxT year, next year they have an automatic bin.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
Lost Dellinger, man over Yahoo, was just licking that index finger,
flipping through papers and realize that, and to his credit,
he said, wait a second, no one's reported this, and
it's just there, but it's in all that boring legal
ease and you got to like push the readers way
down on the tip of the nose to even read
it in there. And he saw that and he reported it,

(41:41):
and everyone was like, wait a second. So they're they're
making this argument, they're like railing against the operation knowing
this will never happen to them again, like mathematically or contractually,
they're guaranteed it'll never happen again.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Where did that come from? No one knew that. I
had never heard that. Yeah before this past week, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
You never heard of automatic I.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Never heard that they had negotiated as part of agreeing
to whatever current and present or future version of the
playoff we're going to have that they're guaranteed if they're
in the top twelve they get a they get a
playoff spot, or if it expands to sixteen, like whatever
the size of the playoff is, if they're in that
number or higher, they get a spot in the playoff,
which has a lot of people up in arms. Honestly,

(42:25):
there's a very very minute chance that that ever comes
into play. But ironically it would have come into play
this year. So that but here's my counter. All right,
So you're thinking based on that language, you're thinking, oh, man,
if that was in place this year, then that means
even though Miami was tenth, then Notre Dame was eleventh,
Notre Dame would have still gotten in it. Well, if
you believe the system is built against you, how do

(42:47):
you not know the committee wouldn't have just bumped you
down another spot, and they wouldn't have just bumped you
down to thirteen if you believe that, Like, I don't
know that the system's rigged against them. I think the
system ironically favored them too much in the racegular season
and had to correct itself, which is corrupt and flawed
and stupid, but that's the way it happened. But I
don't know that that just automatically gives me all the

(43:08):
comfort in the world if I'm a Notre Dame fan.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
And an example of them being comforted is losing their
first two games and still being in the top twenty five,
that being like the first time in however many years
something happened.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Right, Like, yeah, that that process it kind of did
it to themselves. But I to me, it's like, Yo,
if they would just come out and say the reality
of the situation versus trying to make stuff up to
where if you just look behind the curtain you can
figure out what happened to me, I feel like that
would that would play with more favor.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
From the public eye, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Like a few weeks ago when they kind of flipped
Bama Notre Dame, they started to put insurance policies in place. Hey,
b y, you could be collateral damage here if they
get whooped. It's just more like if at any point
that it came out and said, hey, we kind of
mess this up, dude from the ums.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Like Miami, we do value that.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
They It's like if we can.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Get a mistake, if they talk like normally people, yeah
we're sorry, we actually made a mistake. We actually did
not put in the head to head or the pit
game or any of that. Miami should be over over
Notre Dame because of these reasons, because we made a mistake.
It's like, yeah, we're probably all pissed off. We're like, oh,
these guys made a mistakes. Who's to say is not
going to happen again? But like, at least they're not

(44:18):
hiding behind bullshit like a gutsy call or.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
Or to two got no other coach made a call
to go for it on fourth. Okay, so just Ryan
Grubb and Alabama, Hey, how about just saying this we
changed our mind?

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Yeah, we could just say we changed.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
We're thirteen humans and as we continue to watch the games,
we changed our mind.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yeah, because every other person does. That is upset as
people want to be. That are not the non Alabama
fans out there who want to be upset about Alabama
being in Imagine if Alabama lost where they did in
the SEC Championship and they're out, now, what would take
place in college football?

Speaker 4 (44:50):
I don't think we would have an SEC championship.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
I don't think we'd have conference championships at all anymore.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Not that they not, not that people care because if
you're anti Alabama you probably don't care about the SEC Championship. Yeah,
I'm just saying there's a lot of other collateral damage
that comes along with that, And I don't really even
know what it is as I say it. I just
know it would have been a mess. It kind of
would have been fun to watch, just purely like voyeuristically.
You want to watch the world burn?

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Oh god, this is crazy.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah. Because I'm sitting there on the selection Sunday when
I see Bama nine, I was like, man, I guess
it's gonna be Is it gonna be Notre Dame? Here?
Is it gonna be Miami? And you're just kind of
sitting there waiting, And then when you see the Miami
want to come across, I'm like, oh shit, what is
going to be?

Speaker 5 (45:30):
If I if I had surveillance footage of you as
you were watching it, what would I have seen?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
You would I saw I'm sitting there, and I'm like,
hang on, Sweeter, I just gotta see. Yes, I'll play
hide and seek with you here in a second. I
just got to see what happens here.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
With my So you have your hand on your child's forehead, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I push your back a little bit and I see
it happen and.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I go, oh shit, and Charles like what And I'm like,
you have no idea what just happened?

Speaker 4 (45:52):
The world just changed?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, Sweeter, I need five minutes on my phone. Yeah yeah, yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
It's it's nuts in the way Notre Dame is handling this,
like when they say we're not gonna play a ball game.
I'm personally of the opinion that the only thing that
matters about Bowl games is the fifteen practices that you
get playing the game and the gifts. But playing the game,
there's so many guys that set out it's not gonna
it's like, really a chance to get the scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
It's an exhibition match now.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
But for some guys, some seniors, you're never going to
play again.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I don't disagree either with the cheerleaders, the band, all
of that. For them to say, oh shit like that
the last game, we didn't know it was our last game.
We didn't take a moment to sit there and go,
you know, kind of look around, be like, hey, it.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Was a fun ride. I have empathy for all of that.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, I feel like it was kind of it was
a weird move, Like I understand emotional move in the moment.
This is what they're standing on this where they're going.
It probably came more likely from the administration their positioning
of it. They're going to get torch for it for
the rest of the time, especially knowing what we know
with the MoU where they're they're in the they're in
the spot that they want to be in from here

(46:58):
on out, you know what I mean, Like, they're not
gonna they won't be in the spot again as long
as they're in the Top twelve or however things get
fixed within the process.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
And Clark being like, oh, you guys, you know not
this book was like, no, we love football here.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
He's part of Big Conference.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
He's in on it.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
He's doing.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Yeah, he's just reading off him.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
He had the text. No, yeah, it's it's tough.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
You know. I was telling the story yesterday when we
were in the Big twelve championship, I believe in O
nine and we lost that one second game to Texas
when they kicked that field goal. They put the second
back on the clock, they kicked the field goal. It
was known that we were going to the Big ten,
you know, after that next year or whatever. So everybody
in their mind thought it was like Big twelve is
against US. I still this day believe Big twelve was
against US, but both we losed a Big twelve championship.

(47:45):
It's US in Texas. Texas wins, they went by that
game winning field goal. They go on to play in
the National Championship against Alabama. Well, the delegation for the
Big twelve champion loser, like where we were positioning bowl
games mattered a lot. It was the Fiesta Bowl got
a Big twelve team, the was it, the Cotton Bowl,
the Alamobile. I believe we got delegated all the way

(48:06):
down or relegated all the way down to the Holiday Bowl,
which everybody yeah, San Diego, which everybody was pissed off
because again we're in our heads, we're the number two
Big twelve team. All these other bowl games that are
slotted for Big twelve that we get to get chosen with,
you know, the Nebraska fan base. So we were playing,
we had in domicate Sue Heisman, we had like the
number one scoring defense in the country, and we get
pushed all the way down to the Holiday Bowl. Bo

(48:29):
comes in the team room when all this got decided
and asked everybody out right, do you guys even want
to play in this fucking game? Like, I'll tell you
right now, I'll burn the whole thing down if you
guys want to.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Guys stood up.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
We decided obviously to play the game whooped Arizona that year,
But it was a conversation in that moment to give
people an inside look at when you feel like you
just get wronged in a situation. In that moment of time,
which I'm sure again Notre Dame, there was no explanation,
no nothing. It's like, yeah, we've been sitting in the
top ten the entire since the college football rings has
come out, and now all of a sudden, you're just

(48:59):
throwing this in here at us, in our face. I'm
sure they were all in the team room and everything else,
very emotional, but yeah, I remember Bo comes into you
guys weren't even playing this fucking game and saying like
I will burn this place. Don't want too, probably about
fifteen minutes because it was emotional. We just, man, we
felt like they put the second back on this when
reviews like it wasn't like a reviewable play to go

(49:19):
and put a second back on. They put it back on.
They kicked the field, go and win. You felt like
you won the Big twelve championship. But it was like
a very emotional next week and then you know, bowl
games get picked and everything else, and it was it
was very tense, very tight, like everybody was pretty angry.
How we felt like we got treated, getting pushed down
to the Holiday Bowl back when bowl games were a
big time thing.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
That was big time before people had opted out too.
So you fast forward fifteen sixteen years. I could especially
understand at Notre Dame now that it's normal to opt
out of bowls. Don't take bowls seriously, You think you
just got shafted out of a playoff spot. Yeah, me
walking in the default mechanism is yeah, we're done. We're
not participating in this. That's why I said. And a
million people ask me, what do you think about Notre

(50:01):
Dame opting out of a bowl game? Well, I personally
hate the concept, but I'm not going to rail against
them and that, like I don't understand.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
It's the world we live. Yeah, Like I totally get
where their mind is.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Do you think Jerremala Love is gonna play that game?

Speaker 1 (50:14):
No?

Speaker 3 (50:14):
No shot, No, you're thinking about than that ultra that
Ultra then bragging rights. Uh, mikel Ultra Superior is worth
playing for and we're playing for a Michelobultra. We've started
this row pay percisors and right now I'm leading the
series eight to six.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
At one point I was down two. This would be
catastrophic for you if you lose this.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
One possibly rob scissors shoot.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Superior is worth playing for nowadays?

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Seven down one? Yeah, down one down one.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Back to the episode Heisman candidate, By the way, should
we talk about our heidsman?

Speaker 6 (50:52):
I have a quick question about will you tweeted about
it yesterday? And I don't know, Josh, if you can
give more insight about it, the whole Utah thing going
with that?

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Oh? Well, I said, what could go wrong where it
seems like Cana.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, Utah bought a p or some private equity company
bought a piece of Utahs that.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
It's essentially, it's essentially.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
It's the Big ten correct.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
As as a whole, the Big ten as a whole.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Yeah, this is an individual athletic department basically taking an
effusion of private equity money.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Over five hundred million.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
Yeah, it's no small it's no small figure. It is
it's you could see it coming from a long way away.
College football has been horrifically financially mismanaged for a long time.
It's no different than the federal government. It's just college
football administrators who have been loosely spending money because it's
not their money. When you're spending someone else's money, you

(51:48):
don't really have proper incentive to be frugal with it.
And so a lot of different places have dug themselves
in holes. And then all of a sudden, you have
on this other set of rails over here congruent to
your You've got the college football train at large, which
has been mismanaged, and now you didn't really have a
plan when all of a sudden, you have to pay
the players to pay the players, so you had this

(52:09):
huge added operating expense that you can't afford. Because you
never positioned yourself. You kept on spending every dime you made.
That's why all the facilities look like they do. That's
why coaches make ten fifteen million dollars a year. The
buyouts are huge because you couldn't afford to make the
revenue and sit on it. Because if you were sitting
on a mountain of money, it was going to be

(52:30):
really bad optics because the public was going to look
at it and say, wait a second, you're hoarding hundreds
of millions of dollars while also saying you can't afford
to pay the players. So they kept spending the money
as it came in the door and spending on all
sorts of ridiculous things. So now they're in a bind,
not just Utah. Utah just happens to be the first
one to do it, and they're looking into the future
and they're looking at projections and saying, yeah, we're just

(52:51):
headed even more in the red. We need help. Private
equity comes in and they help. Now, most college football
fans won't be affected by this. They'll see low goes
on the jerseys, they'll see a branding on the fields,
and that's whatever. The real question I have becomes, who's
making decisions for Utah Athletics now or if it comes
time to fire a coach and hire a new coach,

(53:13):
Who's making the call on firing coach and hiring the coach.
Because we're really in the interest of what's best for business,
right and if it's just your business, that's your business.
But all of a sudden, if someone's bought a stake
in Utah football or Utah Athletics. They want to return
on their investment. And they want to say because they're
paying for a seat at the table, which.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Is what essentially is happening with Utah because where we're at,
it's like, say, you have this five hundred million dollars
in a private equity, Like you have all this money,
you want to back it, Like we've been seeing, whether
it's Cody Campbell down at Texas Tech, whatever it is.
The thought was, we'll donate to the nil collective, like
make a donation. They got a lot of money backing them.
What's happened at Utah is they've stood up another LLC

(53:55):
to where now this five hundred million this private equity
company has bought like a minority stake in the team,
to where they will be decision makers for making money.
Are they going to be involved with making these big
decisions now we'll never see there's like a new Yeah,
there's like a new master who's now at the seat
of the table with all this money coming in.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
They now own a part of Utah Athletics.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
They're not like donating like, hey, our group wants to
make our football team better. Here's a shitload of money.
Now they are minority owners, like in Utah football, say.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I'm just getting that small breakdown. It feels like there's
no good outcome.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
You saw Dillingham yesterday, he was doing I saw him
in an interview and they're kind of asking about it.
He's like, dude, it's a messman. As far as financials,
as far as money, entertainment, the media that is booming,
it's going to continue to boom, like very popular. But
as far as all the structures and processes in college football,
he's like, it's an absolute messman. So I He's like,
we'll handle it the way we handle each new thing

(54:50):
that comes in.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
He's like, but it's a mess man.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
If you're looking at like a Utah and ASU, these
these brands of college football that their logo doesn't have
like a bunch of people that have left made a
billion dollars or doing a lot of money an il
to be competitive.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
What are the choices they have than to take on
a private equity career.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
Oh, I'll tell you you need to collectively bargain with
the athletes.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Athletes dot org.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
I mean, I sound like a spokesperson right now. But
it just so happens that as we're recording, it's Tuesday, right,
it's Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Two days ago, two days ago out in Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
They go ahead, ground. I just wanted to know he's
going to make a move. As soon as you open
it up. I started to get flashed back.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
I just look at it. I just follow your eyes
and just go down there. Man, he's looking at this
crotch again. That must be you know, but God, players
dot Org, You've got to make yourself financially viable in
the future. Right now such a train wreck because people
are trying to figure every which way around collectively bargaining
with athletes. I'm not taking a stance on this. I'm
kind of old school in it myself. I'm just saying,

(55:52):
you've tried the congressional approach over and over again. Just
last week, the Score Act fell in its face in
Congress again, and that is basically to dumb that down,
where just normal people understand what's happening here. They really
want a way for Congress to step in to make
laws that say, all right, college football, you're free to
govern yourself.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Now.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
You can limit transfer, portal movement, you can limit what
nil is you can do all of that because we're
giving you the power. Legally, well, that keeps falling on
its face, so that's never going to pass the legal
barometer that it needs to to be signed into law.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
At least that looked that way.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
The other option is to collectively bargain with the players
and to centralize that. Take it out of the hands
of the teams and the leagues and centralize it. This
is very very clearly gaining traction. Athletic directors are on
board with it, University presidents are on board with it.
Some of the most influential voices within those two realms
are on board with it. And I really think over

(56:50):
the next six to twelve months, you're going to see
traction on this and then where I'm interested because that
stuff is boring. What I'm interested in down the road
is do we ever get to a place where that
same principle is applied to media deals. None of the
networks really want that, none of the leagues really want that,
but collectively it would make everyone a lot more money.

(57:11):
If college football's media rights structure reflected that of the NFL.
There is no AFC East TV package. There is just
the NFL, the AFC, and the NFC. But underneath the
NFL's umbrella, that is a media rights deal that is
sold by the NFL, and NBC's got a piece, and
Fox has got a piece, and CBS has got a piece,

(57:32):
and the league kind of dictates.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Here's the players got a piece.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
Yes, that I think is the direction we're headed in
college football. It's just we're like a pinball going through
the machine right now to get there. It's not just
let's flow down the river out into the ocean. It's
we're a pinball and we're going all over the place.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
So if that takes place, then that happens, and there's
a CBA for college football and it becomes just like, oh,
this is a big umbrella company. What happens is private
equity companies that have bought pieces.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
I don't know. I'm not smart enough in that world
to know. I just know that we need that's what
we need.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
We need your life that kept from the Live Show Man.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Your dad and I was, I was like.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Nervous each other's legs. You want to take this on?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Nope, I'll tell you what, man, I I like. I
love that the players are getting paid. But I also
we're in such a d we're in such dangerous territory,
like even for the athletes too, with all this money
that comes in and everything else happened, and just man,
when when we were in high school, the whole thought

(58:36):
process was, I'm just saying, like, think about the commitment,
the dedication and work ethic everything just to get the
opportunity to get a scholarship on thinking that you're that's
the way out to get to the NFL and all
of the foundational values and cultural things that you have
to establish as a high schooler. But you're very raw

(58:56):
as a high schooler learning all of these values, learning
all of these traits and characteristic and then they get
molded and developed and hardened in college to where whenever
those first big paychecks come in in the NFL, it
can get guys off the tracks. Like obviously you see
guys fall off, but at least you're equipped. I know
when the money started coming in For myself, It's like

(59:17):
a lot of guys know in their head they have
to stay very principled in their approach and commitment all
year round to keep getting and keep getting it, tapping
into this well and keep getting paid and the life
and all the bells and whistles that come with it.
Now it's like all that's just getting chopped when all
this money sinking into these seventeen eighteen year old kids
when they're gone, because now it's not even about this

(59:39):
work ethic, the sickening, gritty approach when you're in high school.
It's about picking up your phone, looking at how many
likes you have on Instagram, looking at what deals your
agent might begin to you. Because now you have an
agent who's telling you all these things, you might not
have to worry about certain principal things that you're established in,
whether there's workout routines and everything else, because it's like,
who's going to pay me the most money? Like it
used to be, you owe the process everything, and the

(01:00:01):
process owes you nothing in return. Now these kids are
getting paid for a process they haven't even established going
into college football, and it's just I hate it for
the athletes because the development that happens that isn't going
to be taken serious as much near as much anymore
at the college level is what bothers me about the
whole thing. Because I do enjoy that they're getting paid.
It's what we wanted. But there's all this how it's

(01:00:23):
getting pushed all the way down. Now we're talking about
college is going to be looking like the NFL. That's
a big fix because we need all this regulation to
come in and help everybody out with all the money
floating around everywhere. But in doing that, it just the
way it massages the mentality of these college kids. Now
at the high school level, I'm like, fuck.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
But in your CBA, let's say it structured properly. Because
I had long conversations about this last week, because I
have those concerns as well. Most people who love college
football have those concerns. You worry about the detriment of
the product when sixteen and seventeen year old kids already
bank high six low seven figures coming in like it
adversely affects the compass, the north star of motivation, of process,

(01:01:01):
oriented of drive of everything. All right, So think about this,
all right, if we have a CBA in college, your
player reps are probably not going to be freshmen. They're
going to be upperclassmen. Those upper classmen are in the
position to be a player rep, probably because they've proven
themselves and paid the price. If you have a CBA
in college football, I think you have a payscale that's

(01:01:22):
very much correlated to like a rookie pay scale versus
a second contract third contract in the NFL. Not apples
to apples, but very similar to where if I'm a
seventeen year old kid, If we have a CBA, that
also means that we enter into a world where there
are enforceable laws within IL, which means it's not just
wild West pay for play anymore, like, yeah, you're gonna

(01:01:42):
make money and it's been collectively bargained. But you know,
if you're a freshman committing to Nebraska, you're not making
nearly as much as you're gonna make if you succeed
and you play, and then you're still a sophomore on
that roster, and then you're a junior, and then there's
this huge bonus that kicks in third and fourth years
on the same roster because you prove yourself and you're
under a collectively bargained umbrella where you know the big

(01:02:03):
payoff is down the road, where you have all the
incentive in the world to keep chasing instead of already
having a gigantic bag in your lap. The moment you
step on campus.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate the way you broke that down
because I sit there and I'm like, we're hearing guys
close to the program.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Just be like, man, this program.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
This dude's dumb for signing a two year deal within
IL And I'm just thinking, Jesus Christ, I cannot believe
we are in this world.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
There's two hugs that out there though, Like, well, you're
bringing down all the things I agree with it, Like
the process owes you nothing, all the work ethic if
you're being coached hard by your coaches, like buy into
a program, going to a school because that's the school
you want to be at and they just hosted you
the best, and you're like, this is where I can
think my next four to five years. Like that is
clearly missed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
But I can't sit.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Back and not just like for these kids if we're
in these positions, like yeah, you want to gain the
system as much as possible, to put as much money
in your pocket as possible, signing a one year deal
as opposed to a two year deal, Like I can't
get mad at a player for doing those things with
the CBA, Like I would love for a CBA to
take place because then there's an umbrella. There's only a
certain amount of money you can spend. Each team can

(01:03:12):
spend on their players. And I love the idea of
like you have freshmans like a rookie, and the more
you work and the better you do and the more
accolades you have, the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
More you'll get paid.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Because it's just on a way simpler level from being
able to play in the NFL and go to the
lunch room and sit there in the morning and Georgia
and Alabama had to play, and I have five Georgia
teammates and three Alabama teammates and they're in their lunchroom
arguing about their team. They're loved there for their team.
I don't see that in the next four or five
years if it continues the same way, staying that way
in that lunch room where it's like kids have like

(01:03:43):
absolute pride and where they played at and they're like
like Nebraska, like no one's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Gonna have that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
And that's where like, that's where college football I think
is at its best because in a unique way, like
when people gamble, it's like they're only going to want
a gamble on their team for the most part because
they're so invested in love with that team.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
When you played for the Tennessee Titans, who is your employer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
The Titans?

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Was the NFL your employer or was it the Titans
your employer?

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
The Titans were my employer.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
So in this world, I don't think that's the way
it'll be structured. I don't think you'll be employed by
ole miss or the SEC.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
I think you'll be employed.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
By filling the blank name of whatever entity they form.
And that is where the authority will be. But that's
also where the risk will be. That's where the finances
are handled. That's where private equity goes. By the way,
in case you're wondering, like to answer your question, instead
of trying to glom onto an individual athletic department, private
equity will go to whatever that entity is, and that's

(01:04:45):
where that cash infusion will happen and they'll be able
to afford the operating costs. And at that point, University
of Georgia, University of Nebraska, University of Arizona, you guys
are good. We're handling it. But here are the rules
you're going to abide by, and here's the amount of
money you can afford. To pay your players handle your
salary cap accordingly. By the way, this doesn't get rid
of nil, It just repurposes nil for what it was

(01:05:06):
supposed to be, which is the same way it is
in the NFL, which is Pat Mahomes as a superstar.
So he goes out and gets all the endorsement deals
he wants. What's not happening is some guy who got
rich beyond his wildest dreams, who happens to be a
Kansas City Chiefs fan went to Pat Mahomes and free
agency and said, I'm going to pay you thirty million
dollars to come and play for us, because that's a

(01:05:26):
competitive disadvantage, whether you think is fair or not or
should be. Well, if you live in the world of
the NFL, you're going to operate by their rules. And
if you live in this world in the future, if
it's collectively bargained that means laws can be enforced, nil
is not going to be what it is right now.
So guys will still make nil money, but it'll be
guys who legit deserve to make nil money, and most

(01:05:47):
guys will make their money based off of, for lack
of a better term, their salary. I think we're very,
very much closer to that than people realize.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
It would mean there's a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Of movement happening on that front this week as we speak,
there's a lot of movement happening.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Need the urgency, Need the urgency.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Yeah, but like I know that you're there's a lot
of things that we want to fix. There is also
the fan in me of college football where it's at
right now, where there's gonna be so many documentaries with
the last four or five years. Yeah, I'm kind of
just sitting here like I'm really enjoying watching all these
things unfolding, all the chaos.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yep, it's just hey, fix the a SEC tie break.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
There, you go, fix the that was the butterfly?

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Good, let's everything everything, Navy, Do we want to talk
about the brackets?

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Do we actually want to do that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Because it's really comes down to we're going to talk
about all these games on future episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
I'm not going to take too Lane to win at all.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
So that's a spoiler, like that's a tease and I'm
not going to take Jmu to win it all. I
think Miami A and m is the best game of
the first round.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Notre Dame beats both, then.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
I think the difference. Can I just say one more,
Let's let's play who does notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Let's play the game who does notre Dame beat? We'll
start with.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
Speak about Joe does not think so they probably give
him a good fight.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Probably a good fight. James Madison was the whole president man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Yeah, when I look at this bracket, the two teams
that I'm most excited to see is Ole Miss and
Texas ole.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Miss in Texas Tech. Y.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
I'm excited to see Ole Miss because of all this
stuff that took place with Lane Kiff and now the
coaches are going back to Ole Miss to coaching those games,
but Lang Kiffin is staying at l s U and
then Texas Tech. We've had so much conversation on the
show about how the Big twelve is not as respect
as much as the Big ten or the SEC and
Joey McGuire being able to assemble a team that's, you know,

(01:07:42):
more expensive than anybody else and for them to play
the way they have to get How good are they
really when we go against these Big ten and the
SEC teams. Yeah, I'm excited to see how they play
to find out against I tuned up, pissed off Oregon
team that remembers this month very well from very well,
and they're going to get it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Two game with JMU tough to beat ole Daan Lanning.

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
Can I confide in you guys, Lanning's not watching because
he doesn't have a game this week, so we Lanny
won't watch this, So this is going to be some
big time rat poison. No one is set up better
than Oregon here. I would rather have Oregon's spot in
this bracket than anyone else's. They get the easiest first
round matchup at home. They then get teed up to
go play Texas Tech, which out of the other three

(01:08:26):
teams in the semi final or in the quarterfinal. From
a roster standpoint, they match up the best against probably,
but look at the way it advances. Think about talent rosters,
Think about who athletically could match Oregon. The three that
I would circle the most are on the other side
of the bracket, Miami A and m Georgia, Ohio State
four of them. Four of them are on the other
side of the bracket, and the soonest you would meet

(01:08:48):
them as in the national title game. The most you'll
have to defeat is one of them in the national
title game, Oregon. I hope they don't embarrass me because
I'm sky high on Oregon.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
I am too and potential reimagine.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
I know it's like we said hard to beat a
team twice when we saw in the SEC championship.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
But let's just be real.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
You already know what Kurt Signetti said about Dan Lanning
and his family the first time around. If they beat
them again, I don't want to get ahead of myself.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
I know what I am.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
If they beat them again in a semi final, there's
no limit to what that guy could text you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Yeah, there's not man and we hate that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
Yeah, we don't want college football to be like that.
That's not what we want this game to be.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
No Cincinnati being Oregon again, Like, does Dan Lanning continue
to coach?

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Say that again?

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
Because of the sound bite we cut down the road
is going to be great and you said Cincinnati say
Indiana sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
If Indiana beats Oregon again, does Dan Lanning continue to coach?

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
That's something you If Bignetty beats Lanning again, right, does
Lanning have to think his wife.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
I thought we were gonna leave it unspokeus.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
I thought we were, and you had. She's a nice lady,
and we know about Dan's game with the card, the
whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Yeah, man, so I would hate to see a man
like Dan Lanning never coach again if he loses Indiana.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Have you got winning at all?

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Had? Very much? Very much?

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yeah, I know, I know, so I picked free season.
Am I sticking with Oregon? I guess you'll find out later.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Wow, do we know, Clump? Where these where these next
round games are going to be?

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
Where would Indiana and the winner of Oklahoma Bama be?
Is that Pasadena? Where would Oregon play Texas Tech? Where
will the rematch of Ole Miss and Georgia take place?

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, Indiana, Indiana?

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
That's in Pasadena, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
In Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Georgia is playing New.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Orleans Sugar Bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
So Oregon, if they go on to play in the
National Championship, we'll play in hard Rock Stadium the second
round and then a couple of weeks later in the
National Title because hard Rock rotates in for the quarterfinals
and the National Title. Interesting, Miami could play a home
game in the National Title. Could could or they could

(01:11:21):
not escape the first round? You know, either way.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Yeah, and that just makes will consent. Go Notre Dame.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
Sh everyone who loses in this bracket. You just need
to have the tweet ready to be fired. Yeah, Notre
Dame would have been such a better replacement in no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Well before we do two classic game of the week Heisman,
who's your heisman right now?

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
At thefore?

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
That's it there, futures clump. Did anybody who picked a
future heisman?

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Guy? They make it? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Who's that? Oh? Yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Geez? Who?

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
Actually I deserve half a win for this he led
he did to his thumb got cut off. He's playing
with four fingers and he's still in the playoff. Imagine
what he could have done with five.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Imagine a couple of weeks off getting healthy, that thumb
finally gets bigger.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Nexterity exercises, getting healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Who do you have the hesman in your mind?

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
Diego? What do the odds say?

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Actually?

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Because was it Mendoza?

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
I just minus three? It doesn't make any sense, makes
zero sense.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
The game that catapulted him was a thirteen to ten game. Yeah,
it's not like you rain touchdowns all over the place. Now,
one touchdown. He took one of the hardest hits of
the season, got right back up and cut one of
the great postgame promos in the modern era.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
But that, guys, are that will grant you that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Presssion.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
He had a You starting to sound like the playoff committee. Yeah,
he had a great third down conversion. I'm sure Diego
had as well. No, No, I know you, I know
where you stand on who the heisman should be. But
I think it's so clearly Diego Pavia. And when I
tweet that and everyone's coming at my head, how Fernanda
Mendoza and then Jacob Rodriguez, he just gets it thrown

(01:13:15):
in and I'm like, yeah, I kind of wish he
was going to New York, but he's not gonna win.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
It's like the only two people that you would argue
is Foranana Mendoza and Diego Pavia. People want to say
Julian same, but I think there's enough holes there with
who he was throwing to. You know that that whole thing.
But Diego Pavia stats are his throwing sets are better
than Banana Mendoza. And also you have to add on
almost nine hundred yards of rushing and nine more touchdowns.

(01:13:39):
Like if you're a value saying, who is the best
player in college football? And who does who does more
for their team?

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Diego does not keep it high and tight?

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Who does more for their team than anybody Else's Diego Pavia's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Yeah, I need I need that speech.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Through the air, Fernando has more turn Fernando has more
yards and touchdowns through the air.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Correct, like I think he was, Like Fernanda Mendoza doesn't
have three thousand yards throwing because more touchdowns five?

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Actually game, Diego has more passing yards. Who's the last
high who's the last quarterback to win a Heisman? They
didn't throw for three thousand Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
He's a mic?

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
What he's a mic?

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Oh? It is Cam. Cam Newton was the last quarterback
to win a Heisman without throwing for three thousand yards
and the only reason was because he ran for fourteen
hundred yards and twenty touchdowns.

Speaker 5 (01:14:36):
Well that in Auburn picked up guys from the playground
to be wide receivers for him that year. Yeah, so
Cam a little bit different, A little bit there, just
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Yeah, people want to hate all this, you know. I
think it's Diego Pavi too.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
I look Diego Pavi in the eyes last week and
I say, he's like, what do you think? I was like,
I think it's yours right now. But for Nanda Mendoza
goes out there and throws for like two seventy five
or three hundred and a couple of touchdowns. Probably he
probably needs two touchdowns at least. I could see where Fernando,
where the public gets on Fernando. But that didn't happen,
So I was I feel like I would be lying.
I would have lied to Diego if Bernando Mendoza wins

(01:15:08):
this Heisman, and it was the Ohio State game where
he hit him for one touchdown, one interception, and then
a nice third downplay. But Banda mendo is a great
player though, keep said, I and I do in joy.
I love every every interview he does. Need him on
the bus.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Raise your hand.

Speaker 5 (01:15:24):
If you have a Heisman vote, we can't be trusted
with your Yeah, we can't be trusted to have a
Heisman vote.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Do you people not have it? Not have the vote?

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
How do you get a Heisman vote?

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
That's a great question, William.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
I don't know, because I feel like if anybody would
be close to it, it'd be you out of us.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Three Well, I haven't asked for one. Apparently you need
a beg and that's not something I'm you do get one? Yes,
So we do know Heisman voters.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Oh beg?

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
Oh no, true story. A couple of years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
A couple of years ago, I had I had a
production assistant on my on my staff that was cutting
video and we were having this conversation and I was
just kind of laughing because I've never been upset about it.
I just thought it's kind of weird that, like the
way the Heisman votes are handed out, and she just
echoes and like, wait, I have a Heisman vote. And
we all looked at her and we said do what
now she goes, yeah, I have a Heisman vote.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
It was at that point that I lost faith in
the process.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Oh yeah, system is not broken, though, the Heisman system.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Where were you trying to cook the vote over here?

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
I was just gonna ask a couple of people, a
couple of.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
Things, Okay, how many? How many?

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
High?

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
That was always making sure that if you've won a Heisman,
you do get a vote.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
You get a vote. So I texted.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Marcus and I was like, do you have a vote,
And when he says yes, I'm saying who did you
vote for?

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
And the ill yeah, I can ask I.

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
Well, they try and make it sound like he's punishable
by banishment to if you reveal your vote.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
All right, so the vote's already in.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
I guess Digle lost, which is Oh, it's over, man.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
I feel like if there's anybody to be made, no Playoff,
no Heisman, no Joe Moore.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Either, Vandy doesn't get to partake in any of the
no sec favor.

Speaker 5 (01:17:13):
And they showed, They showed up, They parked out front,
they got a good spot. They went knocked on the
door and they hear the music inside and they know
someone's home.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
No one ever comes to the door to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
The Off, which is insane.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Right, there's Mitch. Hey.

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Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Army at Navy America's game. Okay, Navy's favorite at six
and a half. The total points in the game is
thirty seven and a half, fifty stars, thirteen bars. These
colors don't run. I think it's unpatriotic for me to
even sit and say this team's been the other. Even
though Navy was in a three way tie for their
conference championship and Army was six and five, so I

(01:18:17):
would pick a Navy to cover six and a half. However,
I'm gonna take the over thirty seven and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
William, thirty seven and a half, let me go defense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
I'll go under thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Okay, I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Let me just fight for the under this game with
these two teams.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:34):
Under thirty seven and a half's always been a safe
play in the Service Academy games. Even though it's baked
into the number, it's not baked enough into the number.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
I told you. I went back and reviewed the outcast
and the actual hardest image from that outcast was we
were on air when they played the anthem and you
could see us, and someone took a picture from the
ground up and we all got hands over hearts and
old Glory is flying in the background.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
I'd be lying if I.

Speaker 5 (01:18:58):
Said I didn't get little Missy looking at that. We
did that broadcast for our country. Yeah, this game is
being played for our country.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
All there's a lot of things that bust what the
boys doesn't do for their country. We believe in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I believe in these men that have taken the field.
We're not at war yet, we're not overseas.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
There's done a lot of things busting with the boys
won't do for this country.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
But yeah, we're always in a war. Every days of war.
That all cast was a war.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
The trolls in Pate's comments section. That's a war going on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
There, wars that take place every single day. It's whether
you're gonna answer the bell or not.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
I wish you could have my seat because the moment
you said, we're not at warr yet, JP has been
scrolling his phone for ten minutes, hasn't said a word,
and he just went every day's a war.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
So under over yep.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Fun.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
In fact, this game is teeing place in what Baltimore? Correct,
last time they were in Baltimore, Army broke a twelve
game losing streak.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
So if that is the case of Barmy's gonna win
this game, it'll be an undergame. So it's good for you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
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