Kalen DeBoer On Alabama vs. Vanderbilt; Greg Olsen, Will Compton, & Taylor Lewan Recap NFL Week 5

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:25):
Kaylin de Boor, he calls into the boys. We have
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Speaker 3 (01:39):
Where should we start? Hey, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3 (01:49):
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myself a nice little weekend, and yeah, fun times, fun
times all around college football. Let's get to the spiciest,
juiciest game of the entire weekend. U c l A.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I'm looking at you, I'm like, which one is he
going to talk about? You got an Alabama bandy?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, but I'm thinking a lot of great games out there.
Nothing was more confusing to the public eye than U
c l A Penn State. And for me, it's like,
I'm pretty sure UCLA is having the most confusing year
of our entire Like, this is a top ten football
team that travels to them. There's zero life with u

(02:36):
c l A. They have nothing going. What we got going,
We got more.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Coffee, more coffee.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
We are on.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
We got this right here. I'll think this last one.
You hitting that box over there at JP U.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
C l A right then, we're talking college ball.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
You don't have to. I just u CLA.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
They're dead right, there are six feet under. They've already
the body is cold. It's over, Nico. Were already made
the worst decision, the worst decision ever. They lose to
un l V you know V spicy five miner right now,
don't be dispecting U and LV Taylor, and then Penn
State has a tough overtime loss to a now top
three team in college football, and they have to travel

(03:20):
to what is maybe one of the worst teams in
all of college football and Nico goes off three rushing touchdowns,
two throwing touchdowns and they beat James Franklin.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
So off of two days to prepare, two days to prepare,
the interim head coach.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
If somebody want to say his name in the microphone.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Like new Heisl or something, I.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Don't know, but electric factor, electric factory, his blonde, beautiful hair,
Tim Skipper, Okay, that's.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Jared Newhius is the OC New Heisl.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Post game press conference too, was incredible.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
And him just picking up hugging his wife after the game. Dude,
it was such a feel good moment. His old man's
in studio. Uh, he's he's doing some some TV and
he's just locked in at the end of the game,
like watching all of it.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
It was honestly, it was really cool.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
It was beautiful, dude.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
And again two days to prepare. Bro, you got you
got Penn State coming into it pretty much a dead
football team.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
You fire, you fire your head coach, all of it. Yeah,
and it come out get a win. Hang up, what
forty forty something on Penn State?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Crazy? Drew Allard's doing a postgame press conference saying, are
you you guys still in the playoff one and he
gets pissed. Would you think I'm asking you?

Speaker 7 (04:41):
Have you seen James Franklin's Twitter, bro.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I saw James frank I saw the tweet. I'm going
to just honestly assume that somebody's running his Twitter.

Speaker 7 (04:49):
Pro because if you go through his page, it's that
kind of the same thing each week. But the back
to back tweets are one of them right before the game.
It's the Penn State hype video and it just says
U c L A U c L A U c
l a hashtag. We are the very next tweek game week.
Let's do this together and go want to know ninty nation, Northwestern, Northwestern,
Northwestern and the commy has one point four k reply.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Hey, you're getting some engagement. I guess that's what your
social media manager can tell you. But you gotta figure
out that profile. You can't that stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I can't wait to hear Josh Pat's thoughts on James Franklin.
This this lucker.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
He probably has him out. I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
If I look at the pulse of Penn State, it's like,
you gotta fire him. Yeah, that's the pulse of Penn State.
Now you know what I mean, Like I really see,
I don't know. I'm worried about my Nebraska Cornhouse State fans.

Speaker 8 (05:40):
Yeah what, I think there's a lot of Yeah, I
think a lot of fans would agree with you.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, bro, I saw all the videos of this sad
boy Penn State fans coming out like it's Davy.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
You guys know Davy. Davy is not happy.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Hey, Mitch j do you think Davey's not happy.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
The DM saw you had with one of the assistant
coaches for Penn State.

Speaker 6 (06:03):
Some would say this is that was the start of
the downfall.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
That was the state of don't maybe Mitch Carsley and
this coach that will not be named is the reason
why Penn State's not having the success they should be having.

Speaker 6 (06:14):
Some would say.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Busting with the boys To give a little context, Busting
with the Boys was trying to go out there for
the for the Oregan Penn State game.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
It was up in the air. First, we didn't know
if we were.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
Going to go.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
We didn't know if we want to go. We want
to know if it was an option to go.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
That was the thing.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and get kind of you know, get
behind the scenes and Mitch.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Mitch had a little he had an end. He knew
a guy because of a situation. I'm not gonna give
too many details because then people can kind of follow
that bouncing ball a little bit. He reaches out and
this guy, I'll Mitch speak for. I mean, Mitch is
salty about the situation.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, he knows a coach there, Yeah, I know a
coach there.

Speaker 8 (06:42):
A great relationship with said coach allegedly, allegedly and allegedly
I thought I had a great relationship with.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
That coach, right, and he kind of patted you on
the head in the DM right, nothing like we do
it a little bit differently here.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
Nothing casual about that.

Speaker 7 (06:55):
Something doing it differently.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
It was yeah, yeah, it was something. It was so
bad that Mitch came up to I'm assuming you as well,
but here was me. It was like, is this is this?
Like what what would I do with this? Like, buddy,
I would just back up. I would look at that
and be like, I'm gonna get the hell out of
here and ninja smoke myself out of that situation.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
That's why I was scowed ducks all Street.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
That's tough, dude, because hey, Penn State would be so
sick to see one of those wideouts. It'd be so
sick to check out the facilities, talk to the coaches
because they that's a good ball club. I mean, I
don't know what's gonna happen the rest of the season.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
That's a blue blood ball club.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's a blue blood ball club.

Speaker 8 (07:32):
And we've been to some schools there, like there's no
way you're able to go there, like Notre Dame.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
A great relationship with Notre Dame now and like.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
I mean, it's over for him, buddy, Hey, hold on, now.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Look at the schedule.

Speaker 7 (07:45):
They got Nebraska on there.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
They do have Nebraska, they got Ohio State, they got Indiana.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Look, yeah, yea, they got yeah, Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan State, Nebraska, Rutgers.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Ain't no slap And.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Honestly, honestly, SI on the UCLA game, I know we're
all going overreact. There's obviously gonna be a course correction.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
That's better than oct North.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
But Northwestern's no longer guaranteed win. I was no longer
a guaranteed win.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Like, if you're a Husker fan right now, you're sitting
there going eleven and one is on the.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Table, it's on the table.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
It's on the table.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
We have a big one this week against Maryland. Maryland
is no sleepwalk Maryland not even a sleep no Maryland
go to Maryland as well. Yeah, I mean Maryland was
up twenty to nothing on Washington. Yes, twenty to nothing,
and then Maryland covers five plus five and a half.
But they're up twenty to nothing and then twenty four
unanswered by Washington to lose that game.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Maryland's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Essentially, this is what's happened for Nebraska. They go to
a nice five star restaurant, they have a budget in mind,
and they see something that's really expensive on the menu.
They go, man, I wish I could have that, but
I can't have that because of Penn State. They can
now afford that. They say, you know, I might have
that little t bone, I might have that Tomahawks steak.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, we do have a tear talk here for mister
uh Reginald Reginald. Mister Reginald Reginald static has the percentages
of Matt rule the Penn State risen giving his three
year stint history in James Franklin's Unsettling Waters. Something to
keep in mind. Hashtag tear talk. Why'd you put this
tear talk up there? There doesn't need to be any speculation.

(09:13):
Matt Rule is a husker for life, for life.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
There was a.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Rum I've heard a couple of rumors that Matt Rule
salivatesd the idea of a Penn State job.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Listen, I'm aware of the I'm aware of this man,
Matt Rule, and I hey, friend of the show, love
Matt Role.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I've been on House Rules.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
There's rumors flying around that Matt Rule has that one up,
and he's like, if that job was available, I would
love to go that way. Could you also heard that
Dylan ray Ola loves Blue and White? I was just
that emit Johnson loves I heard Holgerson's like, could you imagine.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Line?

Speaker 2 (09:58):
How do you think about that show?

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I was say, don't don't worry about sure him. I
will say, could you imagine? The heart just gets ripped
out of all of our chests, Coach.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Rule, all of ourl I will say this, this is
this is all Holgerson will be the number one dagger.
I'll say this if if that happened, I would be
so sad.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
I will it gives me tough times, but I feel
very confidable.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Look, it's happening right now, it's not.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Would we go to a Penn State white out? If
that happened, Oh we.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
We we'd have a Yeah, we would have free reign.
Could you imagine Matt Rule takes the job at Penn State.
Could you imagine Will text Matt Rule Mett Rules like
with the Penn State Dney allions, We're actually gonna focus
on our program. We don't allow outsiders in here. Hey,
enjoy your Huskers and Pat's will on the head.

Speaker 7 (10:45):
That's seems like there would be a higher chance for
him to go there if y'all do go eleven and one.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Coach Eckler goes with him to coach Echo, would for
sure go with him.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Listen, that ain't happening, you guys, Will let we got
something coming for Nebraska to go eight and four this year.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
So Rule states that keeps.

Speaker 8 (11:05):
Me if in this hypothetical world that that happens with
that is a we need to check on Will if
we don't see anything from him within twelve hours on Twitter,
that is like, we need to drive to Will's house
make sure everything.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Oh, buddy, Matt Rule takes I'll be at his house
Will won't be there.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
Will would be in there.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
We'll be sleeping over for the next week and a half.
I'll be helping put down ruin Scottie and be like Choro,
you help him, I'll take care of the kids. That's
what's happening.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
If Rule does hypothetically take the Penn State.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Job, he's not taking it.

Speaker 8 (11:33):
You hypothetically are you interviewing for the head coach job
at Nebraska?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I would you know? Listen, I always hypathetically I have
I would have a learning curve getting to that level.
But let's just say hypothetically I know everything there is
a know about being a head coach. Absolutely, I'll be
training in a microphone for a whistle and then I'll
carry on the legacy destiny.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Would you know this would be destined?

Speaker 7 (11:55):
I think at the very least you'll be in the
room of the interviews going on for the next head coach. Yeah,
I have to on the side of Nebraska, like, is
this some somebody we want to bring in?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, listen, coach Rules not leaving.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I'll tell you this. You guys are bring up hypotheticals.
Will and I have had the conversation. If Will goes
and coaches at Nebraska. We have a played in place,
we have a we have.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
A plan, players formula.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
I'm letting you.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I'm just letting you guys know I Will and I
have talked about it. Buster will be just fine.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
No, you guys, honestly absolutely not. You now have me
wanting to call coach rule. Yeah, just let's get out congratulate. Yes,
but there was something that kind of went over my head.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
Who've been talking about you going to Penn State?

Speaker 6 (12:45):
Like Will?

Speaker 7 (12:45):
Who's been saying that Taylor.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
There?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
But I actually did hear the Penn State rumor?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
There's no, there's no.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I didn't pull it out of supposed pulled out of
somebody's ass and given them money. I'm not saying that.
I'm not giving my source, but I'll tell you very reliable,
very guy.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
I told him about Brock party.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Listen, we'll cut this cut this cut this cut that.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, we talk about after, just talk about after say
it after all right, all right, listen, we all know
it's listen, it's gonna be. We got Maryland this weekend,
bad week to.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Be a turn for now you and Matt rule of
Maryland this weekend? Yeah, for now, house rules.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Hey, It's a great tear talk right here coming from
our boys at Huskers SG store.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
This one.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
The boys jeered at you last week for saying Soresby
at Cincinnati was a good quarterback. Since his sixty nine
yard zero touchdown, one intercession performance against the black Shirts,
the last four games, he's put up eleven and eighty
eight yards, twelve touchdown, zero interceptions and has them tied
for first in the Big Twelve Conference.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, your dog, hey, Will Compton was right about is
that those are dogs out there, no question, And everybody
in college football question looking at Cincinnati right now being like,
who's there one loss to you? Because they're dogs. It's Nebraskt,
you know who sees that more than anybody. The Penn
State and Indian Lions are seeing.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
That and being like, oh my god, that defense Matt
rule over there.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
They're killing it.

Speaker 9 (14:20):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Agree, this is I mean, it's very impressive that the
Cincinnati faircase. That's a good pat.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
We're doing things to kind of take it off the
subject of how well the Cincinnati Bearcats have been playing.
But to beat Iowa State the way that they beat
Ia State, they did have two cornerbacks out We were
aware of that going into the weekend, but handling rock
Obec and again like Bro Soresby, he is a hell
of a player. Bro and that running back, you know,
do you see him trucking old buddy Number fourteen. Don't

(14:48):
want to say his name because we're not about that.
It's just it's just numbers on a jersey. But fourteen,
they're kidding.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Molly want you guys. I tweeted that video just said,
dear God. Somebody responded and said, most guys can only
been at the way this guy can now bet.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
At the chest.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
And then later in the game he gets ran over again.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
You gotta quit, You gotta quit. That's a one week one,
twenty twenty one game for him.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
We're back from a Mario Crista Ball interview and again
that's coming out tomorrow on Tuesday. Today we got coach
Kaylin de Borg. Greg oldsays we told you joined the show,
and then tomorrow we're gonna be talking some fantasy football
with Field Yates and we also got an interview with
Mario Cristiball, which is a phenomenal listen, so.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Go ahead and check that out when that drops tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I'll tell you what will you had your headphones on,
and as you were talking, I was I'm gonna put
my back onto. It's kind of nice, it is.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
You kinda hear your voice. You gotta hear the volumes
of everything.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, it's a good deal. It's a good, solid deal.
We were before we got that interview going with Crystal
Ball talking about Nebraska, the possibility, the light, the high
likelihood of my Matt Rule going to Penn State. But
for now, Matt Rule is in Lincoln, Nebraska, and that's incredible.
I see a tweet from Will Compton Saturday after the
Nebraska Michigan State game. It was never in question, I

(15:56):
believe was the direct quote, zero doubt, zero doubt.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
That was in my video.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I see Will, I see Will at the meet and
greet as I just landed from Vegas, and he goes
got a little dicey there for a little bit. So
what is there your true thoughts about that game Nebraska
and Michigan State.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
It was in the video. There was never a doubt
in my mind that we were gonna take that football game.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
It was more of acknowledging the fact that all of
Husker Nation and I you know, listen, you've been with
the program now seeing the last decade and everything else.
It had a feeling at in the middle of that
game when Michigan State went up twenty one to fourteen,
because we hung we got fourteen on a quick, we
scored quick, We had a three and out and then
a block punt to take it to the end zone.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Shoutout Coachackler, Happy birthday, birthday to Coachackler.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Happy birthday, coach.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
But it seemed like we were just gonna mop this
team out of the stadium. And then it got weird
for a moment. Michigan State goes on the hang twenty
one unanswered. You're sitting there toward the middle of the
third quarter, and I know everybody had that feeling in
their gut of like, oh my god, like is this
is this about to happen? Because that's just the feeling
you get, right, you've been through so many times, through

(17:01):
so many times, so many times where it's like it's
about to happen again. Like this Husker team finds a
way to lose that game and for Rayola, for all
the boys to kind of have that poise, put the
pedal to the medal and score twenty four come back
and score basically twenty four unanswered before Michigan State gets
a garbage touchout at the end of the game. That

(17:22):
feeling was there for a moment, but once they put
the foot on the gas man and went, it's like
that's another the new standard understands how important of a
win that was to find a way to win like that,
because the decade previously that doesn't happen. You end up
losing that game, you end up soling yourself, you end
up crumbling because again Raola throws throws a pick to

(17:42):
where you know he wants that one back, kind of
takes a sack where he says that one's on me.
You kind of waiting to see how this team's gonna respond,
and they responded in a big way. Because again I
felt like that game should have not been close. Obviously
that's my fandom talking, but even watching that game and
understand the Huskers, it's like, ah, they it shouldn't have
been as close as it was. But it was that
feeling that pitt in our stomach was starting to boil

(18:04):
and starting to be there. But then, onyn't you get
the perimeter screen, they muff a kickoff, we get on
it perimeter screen.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
To the house.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Well it took all three phases.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, no, that was a big three phase win. That
was a big three phase win. And again it's like
people are you're gonna, you're gonna, You're gonna find out
this week and how good Chiles is and it's like
we've made every talented quarterback look pretty mediocre going against
his past.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Team, Charles Charles's he's very talented for Michigan State. And
I get what you're what the Nebraska fan base is
going through with like every year has kind of been
like final way to lose, and you get to this year,
the year three of Matt Rule, and everyone's like, it's
this is year three Matt Rule. With ten win season,
we're gonna have all these things. But when you get
in these situations, you can't help but go back and
you're telling me, be like, I remember what it feels
like in these games of the past. So it's good

(18:48):
to see Nebraska taking those steps in handling business in
all three phases.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah. Yeah, And then you see what Penn State does
out in U c.

Speaker 10 (18:55):
L A.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
And it's hock buddy, can't sleep on Maryland though, can't
We will.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Not sleep on Maryland. That's a tough football team. But
you can't tell me that this you're still not looking
at a potential eleven one season. No doubt it's there
for us. Just gotta think advantage of it.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
How did Mischian do YEA, I'll answer that I thought
Michigan coming out of the bye way, it seemed a
little sluggish at first against Wisconsin, but overall I was
actually very happy with the result of the game. The
first drive, Wisconsin goes down, We're sending a lot of blitzes,
Martin Dale sending a lot of blitzers. A lot of
the middle of the field is there's a lot of
vacated areas that they're kind of dinking and dunking, and

(19:32):
moved down the field relatively easily and scored. But no,
Wisconsin hadn't put on film that they can throw the
ball very well. So I think Martin Dell's like, we're
just gonna get to the quarterback right away. You see
the in game adjustments that happened, because after that first one,
they really didn't have a lot of success in the
offensive side of the ball. What fired me up a
lot about this game is this kid right here Donovan
McCollen a McCauley this he had like one hundred and

(19:53):
twenty six yards, four or five receptions, Like had a
coming out game. The passing game for Michigan took a
big step, still had multiple drops, which just bums me out, man,
But you know, it's one of those things that you
just gotta you know, you keep firing, don't run away
from the past game because you want these guys to
get as many reps as they possibly can have them
on the jugs. The run game look good like Wisconsin,

(20:14):
you know, as bad as their record is, they're the
number one run defense in all the country, and we
still rush for over one hundred yards. Justice Hayes still
had two touchdowns. He had a forty yard run as well.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
I was.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I was very impressed Brice Underwood. I think he took
a next step. He had a couple of great deep
balls put him in the position that owned the wide
receiver could catch it. Our defense showed up in a
big way after that first drive, So I am I
got excited about seeing that. Uh going this is gonna
be a big test coming up with USC.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, how you feel about going out to USC this weekend?
Coming off of bye week, tough loss against it right away.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Tough loss against the onily coming off of by a week.
Their quarterback playing is playing awesome. They're a wide receiver.
He's gonna be a top ten pick, that Lemon kid.
And then they're they're running backs as well. They have
two running backs that are really good. What I like
is there's a formula out there to beat USC, and
it plays in favor of Michigan. It's running the ball,
controlling the clock and using these shorter intermediate passes when
you don't want to use the run game that Illinois

(21:09):
should it. Brett Beelima showed this is how, this is
how you beat USC. They now here's the issue. You
got to go across the country, which we've shown can
be a lot of issues for people except for Oregon.
We have to go to LA. That game two weeks
ago was announced that it has sold out. I can
only assume that the Mazon Blue is gonna show up
in a big way. So it'll be it'll be, you know,
other than the Oklahoma game. That's gonna be the biggest

(21:31):
test of the year for us to find out who
we really are. And so for USC, like I'm really
looking forward to this game. Right now, Michigan is two
and a half point dogs, and I looked at it yesterday,
the two and a half point Dogs. I'm excited. I
think we have a really strong run game. Our offense
line didn't play well last week. It's gonna be a
vocal point. And after the last two years, when you
see the offense line not play well, they tend to

(21:53):
really step it up the next two weeks after that.
So I'm excited about a good statement win here. Obviously
be taking moneyline Michigan. I'm fired up.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Five.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I just want to see this pass game continue to do.

Speaker 6 (22:06):
What it's doing.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
See it gets get rid of the drops and that
pass game Buddy got me juiced to the fun.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Do you guys have more drops in the Wisconsin game.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, yep. Homage had one, Brettison had one right over
the middle. There's a couple and it was a couple
of like third downs where it's like in the chest.
Now it's not always the receivers like Bryce does rocket balls,
like check out he those hundred miles an hour, and
it's like I get it. They're in the position to
be catchable. But Buddy Worth throwing rockets at our boys.

(22:34):
Every once in a while, you a little touch on it.
I think Joe Klatt said this, like Bryce Underwood is
a great thrower of the football, his next development is
becoming a great passer of the football, understanding his changeups,
knowing when to throw rockets in the tight coverages and
also when to you know, put a little off of
it so it's even more catchable for your guys so
they can get vertical. But buddy, I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
And now chef on y'all's teams Nebraska and Michigan, chef
wanted to propose this question to you guys if y'all
wanted to read his tweet.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Uh, okay, So this one's from at Jack Underscore, handing
hashtag tier talk true or false.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Texas Tech is good enough to be any team in
the nation.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
And that was his follow up question.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Does it look like a follow up question?

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Could they beat?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
He asked me.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
He did, we can verify, well.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Any team in the nation includes Michigan and Nebraska.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
That's what he wanted to hear.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Dude, I'll say this about Texas Tech like this, Uh,
this fan base looking at Texas Tech, their schedule, everything else.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
The way that they performed. I mean, they're they're beating
teams by at least twenty four points right now. They
are in position to be twelve and zero throughout the
regular season. Now, Like again, whenever Texas Tech plays, people
not give Texas Tech to not because they have the
big twelve conference logo next to them. So it's like
time will tell once they get into the playoff. But

(23:54):
I think you're twelve and zer and you're Texas Tech.
The way that they've been beating these teams, they're not
going to be a team you want to see in
the playoff because that D line it's crazy, goes nuts
bro offensively very good.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Like they went on the road and beat Utah.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
At Utah and Houston, both teams play some good football,
and Texas Tech have handled them. So I think right
now it's like, could they beat any team in the country, Sure,
why not?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Why can't they? I think so?

Speaker 2 (24:22):
I mean, you saw a couple of weeks ago aginst Utah.
The Texas Texas starting quarterback goes out and they still
won like thirty four to ten or fourteen whatever it
was like. And that's two teams that were both ranked
in the teams. I think it was like sixteen to fifteen,
so they I mean they went away. They handled business there.
It is the Big twelve. And I think if anybody's
going to give Texas Tech or give the Big twelve
a this is a legitimate conference as you have to

(24:44):
worry about, it's going to be Texas Tech. When I
was in Vegas this weekend at UFC, there was a
massive Texas Tech donor that was there that was talking
to me about their club. How they have a board
of people that are analyzing data on players for the
transfer portal. They obviously put I think they spent the
most money this year in the transfer portal. They are

(25:06):
national championship or bust. That is the feelings at Arlington.
That's where Lubb in Lumbic, Texas. It is his national
championship or bust there during as this booster was saying.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
During the broadcast with the Houston game, they highlighted this
one of the boosters, Cody Campbell I think.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
His name is and like oil, yeah, gotta be.

Speaker 6 (25:25):
Like energy something. He was.

Speaker 8 (25:26):
He's the guy that the guy that kind of like
spearheaded all and he said that they were saying like
whatever that Booster community is like raised like sixty two
million dollars in one year and like all for NIL stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Like you hear that, Larry Ellison, You hear that, Dave Portnoy.
Let's keep going, boys, all right, let's keep going.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
They're all in texat textalls in Texas Tech is all.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
In, all in, and right now it's showing jpsow you
pointed me. I've done it. I've done it. A fifty
thousand dollars to the NIL Collective at Michigan.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
So did you? What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (25:59):
So did you? So did s? We're active. We're active
with Michigan and IL right now.

Speaker 7 (26:06):
Active fifty k it to Texas Tech.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Though, Eddie, listen this dude, you're talking about oil tycoons
over here. I'm a general studies major that happened to
be good at football. There's levels to this ship on
the tables and good on the tables. Okay, my next
Vegas trip, I will donate fifty percent of my winnings
to Michigan and IL. WHOA, that's you're earlier first. And

(26:31):
that is the classic me where I just spontaneously say something,
So now I have to do it because I one
thinking about that at all, and I just randomly said it,
So now I have to do it.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
Look of like, are you sure you want to say this?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I know, and then listen. My brain doesn't think. My
brain speaks then thinks this will be clipped out and
this will be next time I go to Vegas. Fifty
percent of my winnings if I win, never guarantee we'll
go to the Michigan Andile Collective. You can just double down, Yeah,
I mean yeah, I have to know. I'll triple down.
I'll do it on Wednesday at the locker room. I'm

(27:04):
gonna do that again. I'll be there in December tax break, Yeah,
gotta be right.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, Speaking of Vegas, we have a tier talk here
from Philippe A. J A bunch of numbers hashtag tear talk.
Why does the Taylor just bet on Vandy to win
the SEC Championship for when they do.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
He will have the trip already paid because.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I knew this past week would eventually happen. Next question,
So you're saying Vandy's done, they don't have a shot
to win the No, I think they have. They obviously
have a shot, and everything what Alabama told me was
all right, I'm safe. Like they they Alabama might not
be the best team in the country. I think makes
it the playoff. I think they get spicy, buddy, I'm
just listening. I'm talking out of a state of fear

(27:44):
right now. So like everything I'm saying, grant of sal
if you're a Vanderbilt fan, like, just know, I'm afraid
from my wallet. But you know, we saw what happened
this past week. That's awesome.

Speaker 8 (27:54):
I think Vandy kind of lost that game with a
pick and a uh fumble in the red zone.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, the product they put on the field, Yes, they lost.
They lost that game because they didn't play as good
as what you're telling me, right, I mean right.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Nothing fixable.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, no film to look at it be like a
couple of these plays go your way in the game.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I mean they were up there, I mean they had
one hundred yards rushing in the first half. They're up
fourteen to seven at one point away in Alabama, Like
they could have absolutely won the game. And you're right,
like a pick to fumble here and there, like a
couple of plays go a different way. Absolutely.

Speaker 8 (28:28):
Yeah, what I'm saying is like Vandy lost that game.
I feel like more than Alabama.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
One oh oh, taken away from the Tide. Yeah, killing
the board, front of the show, front of the show.
It's the same episode that he was just on. He
was Leon here twenty minutes ago.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
Yeah, they don't get me wrong. BAM is a great
ball club.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
But I think Vandy, like again, hypothetically, if those things
don't happen, right, I think that that game could have
been a lot more spicy than what it was.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Possibly, but a great team also takes advantage of bad football.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
You gotta give a lot of it to Alabama because
everybody and their mother said they were, including us on
the show being like, I don't think I think it's
over for them. I think it's done and they've they've
really turned it around.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
I'm also saying I think Vandy deserves some.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I absolutely agree. They're five and one.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
They could win out and it wouldn't be.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Surprising, wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
But who somebody took Alabama to cover on this bus?
Yeah I beat water game. I got a money line
every week?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
All right? Oh h Parker, hey key at coach, hey key.
We can all agree Arch is just young and inexperience
a ton of hype and pressure put on him because
of his last name. But the frame is there and
just needs to build it up. Is the frame there,
just needs to build it up. I'm all for horns down,

(29:48):
not to hate.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
You want me to read this?

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, go ahead, the horns down, not hate. Hate to
see our Wait did you want me to read it?
I'm all for horns down. I'm all for horns down.
I hate to see a young I get ripped because
of expectations your bronze put on him. Maybe he's looking
for your brownie's their hashtag tear talk. Parker Hockey of
the show.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
We can't agree.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
That was a tough read, right Yeah, yeah, okay, that's
why I had to take over. Yeah, and then you
started doing this. It's like you put the backup quarterback in.
He has the same results.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Sorry, but you sit in the pocket, you kind of
see what they're trying to say, and then you delivered, and.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Then you're like you see from that side. Yeah, you
have the clipboard all right, there you go in there. Oh,
it's the same result right there. Here's what I'll say.
That was a play.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, that was a play called it was a caged animal,
right I am dude? Yeah, look, I think Texas is
just and look I'll hand up. I think on the
locker room preseason, I was talking about both Penn State
and Texas pretty much being in the National Championship game,
and I think we both see that that was an
absolute fail.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
I think Texas they let us down. Bro, Yeah, us.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
I think Texas is just not who we thought they
were going to be going into the season. You go
in and like Florida exposed a lot of things, is defensively,
which I'm pretty disappointed in the Texas defense. I thought
they would still have a pretty good game. I thought
Florida came out with the game plan and they operated
in a way to where I'm sitting there kind of
kind of yelling at the TV, like how can Florida

(31:13):
not play?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Like this weekend?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Every single day Florida team I've been betting on against LSU,
against who else?

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Is they?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Miami?

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Miami.

Speaker 7 (31:21):
Their fans have to be so pissed, bro.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
They gotta be.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Confused more than anything, right, Like they're in an abusive
relationship with billion and IP right now. Yeah, somebody needs
to save them exactly. They're sitting therapy sessions like why
does he keep doing this? Why does he keep doing
like I think he's a bad guy. Then he goes
and buys me this nice jewelry. I think, I think
we're good.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
You're happy that.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
You won, right, yeah, yeah, I'm happy, But like, why
did you do all the time? What about USF? That
was the past. Don't worry about USF. I agree, Like,
I think I feel bad for arch Manning and I
don't want to like be so critical of him where
it seems like I'm a hater, Like he had all
these expectations. For him to exceed these expectations would have

(31:59):
been near near impossible. He's had a tough season. I
think we need to give him a little bit of
grace right now. I mean, his name, all of that
is just it's it's tough. It's tough season. I agree
with you when it comes to Texas defense, I thought
they were going to stand up a whole lot more
than they than they did against Florida. And when you
look at Florida, it's like, I'm just confused.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, I'm just confused.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
I think we got a tier talk here from Joshua
Button sarcus two and eight versus top ten teams at Texas,
He's five and eighteen Verse Top ten teams all time?
Is it fair to start the James Franklin comparisons hashtag
tier talk? Thank you, Joshua, I'd say yeah, I'd say
I'd say very much fair. Yeah, because again the X, like,
you go in, you gotta win that game against Florida. Yes,

(32:40):
especially you go you lose fourteen to seven against Ohio State.
You right off three in a row, You're going into
a massive game coming off of bye week.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
You gotta take care of Florida in the swamp.

Speaker 6 (32:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
And if you're if you're you know, Texas two and three,
but the three sorry, three and two, But the three
wins they have are against teams that you know they
should have easily easily moped. They haven't had to win.
That's like, okay, that's a Texas team that we can
put our hand. Happy hind.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yes, feel good on the rica. Are there any things
that you feel like we're not giving flush? There's a
lot of football going on in my head right now.
We had a long conversation with Greg Ols on the NFL.
We obviously just watched the NFL on Sunday, so our
brains have kind of been there. Oh man, what where else.
I think it's a massive week. This is a good spot.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Text A and M and that's a ball club, and
it's a ball club is for real?

Speaker 3 (33:31):
And M is for real?

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Humping eggs.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
A and M is for real? Who else is out there?

Speaker 7 (33:38):
I don't know if they're for real? Yeah, hold on,
I'm not saying that. I'm not saying they couldn't be.
I'm just why are they for like? Why now are
they for real?

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Notre Dame is a big, one, big reason why they
covered a massive spread versus despite allegedly your words. A
good Mississippi State team. Who is it? Overtime with Texas Tennessee. Yeah,
they went to overtime against Tennessee in that high powered offense.
They beat Arizona State, who beat them last year. Was
ranked in the teams like Texas, A and M. That's

(34:12):
a good ball club. They're ranked number five.

Speaker 7 (34:15):
I think they're good. I think they're good. I'm just
I'm not ready to say they're one of the best teams.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, Florida next.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I don't think I'm saying they're for real in a
way that they are. They are a true top ten
They're ranked number five right now, Top five football team.
Like again, when you're looking at who are the legitimate
national title contending champions, you think about Miami, you think
about Ohio State, you think about Oregon. Possibly Texas Tech
should enter that conversation just the way that they've been

(34:42):
winning football games, and you look at the rankings and
you try to remove the whole logo attached to them
A and M though they've they've handled their business.

Speaker 7 (34:49):
We're aligned on that, Like, yeah, I would just leave
them out of the they're right below the Miami Oregon.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yeah, I think that's fair to that. Yet, Yeah, I
think that's fair.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
They're a playoff team that you won't be surprised will
go far.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Are correct?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, but you're okay, So you're looking at just in
the mask of national champions. Yeah, yeah, got you.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Because they're going to have It's like, look, we're gonna
get to find out because you look at their schedule,
they're gonna have uh, they got Florida this week.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
You got you have no idea what you're gonna get there? Yeah,
you have no idea.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
If Florida plays away that they play like Florida was
supposed to be a team that we're going to be
in it it seems like they kind of hit a
lick as far as executing an operation against Texas this past.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Weekendsy is the major issue in that program.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
You're gonna be at Arkansas, which again you beat a
good Florida team. Like let's just say that's a tight game,
and they end up winning, you know, winning in the
fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Arkansas just got their head coach.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Time trap game at Arkansas.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Then you go on the road at LSU, you go
on the road to Missouri, you host South Carolina.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
Will know very quickly like if they're yeah yeah in Oregon.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
I think across college football, like what a weekend slate
we have for college football and just these next several weeks.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Like this is a prime October. It's spooky season for
a lot of schools out there.

Speaker 6 (35:59):
Who is the top five?

Speaker 8 (36:01):
It's Penn State or Not State, Oregon, Ohio State, Miami, Miami.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
You got a and m.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah. No one's really talking about Ole miss which is dangerous.
Lane Kiffin making linebackers throw from the sideline.

Speaker 7 (36:15):
Lane Kiffin's son is going on a visit to LSU
this weekend. Then Lane Kiffin's dog quote tweeted it and said,
I guess we know who the favorite son in the
family is. Trouble in the Kiffen house.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Just the way Kiffin likes it. Hey, hell of a recap.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Boys, Indiana Orgon this weekend.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I think Orgon's nine and a half point favorites.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Don't seven and a half point.

Speaker 7 (36:43):
A lot of good like seven to eight win teams.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, here would be a massive mistake for Indiana if
it got leaked that Signetti was saying something about Dan.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
If it got leaked, we'll see. There's still a week.
We got the week in front of us. We'll see
if there's any fodder there come locker.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Room times and.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Josh And by the way, Josh Pate was right. I
was wrong.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
He's smart, I'm dumb, dumb, he's pretty, I'm ugly. Uh,
he was completely right seeing the field for the Florida game.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah he was. And yeah, I know you you more
held that flag on Twitter going at pay all week.
But I was with you. I thought I thought Texas
was gonna stand I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Just winning out right, kind of a ballsy but look
he put his balls on the table and Florida handled
business in a way to where I was kind of
mad watching the game thinking, this motherfucker one thousand percent
knew something that everybody else didn't based on his relationships
in that building of Florida.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
You know what I mean, Like, fuck Josh Pate.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Right now, Well's hair starts to grow back a little bit.
All of a sudden, he's away from Josh Pate. He
is below me, all right, boy. Bake hugs, tend kisses
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Speaker 2 (40:31):
Pants down Pants Now, Yes, sir, friend of the show,
how are we doing good? Great to see you, Great.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
To see you look good before I stepped in here.
Hopefully it still looks.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
All right, Yes it does man.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
First off, coach happy spooktober. We're rolling right now. So
if there's anything you want to say, off Chemera, we'll
wait till after the show. First Off, congratulations on beating Vandy.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Man.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Let's give another round of applause for that. That's unbelievable. Jack,
Please please clap, thank you. Um, it's gotta be a
very interesting win for you because we're in this new
age of football, like a lot like when I was playing,
even just a couple of years ago, it's like, hey,
don't give anybody bulletin board material, don't give anything for
their team to be like you see what they're saying
about you here. Now we live in this crazy world.

(41:16):
You have to deal with week one with a Castanello.
He's out there being like, I'm gonna do this Alabama,
and then you got Diego Pavia saying the things he says.
It's gotta make this win feel a whole lot better.

Speaker 10 (41:26):
Huh yeah, And I mean there's that part, of course,
but we can't control that, you know, and we're in
our own fight here throughout the season, and I'm just
proud of the way the guys just go one week
at a time and just you know, got a chip
on their shoulder with the things that are out there,
but also balancing and channeling the energy into the things

(41:48):
that matter most and helping them be the best.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
They can be.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Coach, I gotta ask because I'm just the psyche of
an ex football player. I was in the locker room
last week when I was breaking down the Albam I'm
a Bandy game, and to me, I'm thinking to myself,
they probably didn't celebrate the Georgia game that long, like
that was a game you guys needed to have. But
knowing that you win that game and you got Vandy

(42:13):
the next week at home based on everything that did
it like the loss last year, that probably felt very embarrassing.
You've been seeing Victor last year in and year out,
But the moment of the Georgia win probably didn't last
too long because everybody was just absolutely juice to the
gills because you wanted to play a team like Vanderbilt.
Am I off, AM I off, and assuming that.

Speaker 10 (42:34):
No I think I think you're right, and I think
that you know, continues to be the case. I'm proud
of the maturity of our group learning from the experiences
we've been through.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
But you're right.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
I mean, we were ecstatic and excited winning a.

Speaker 10 (42:47):
Big one on the road, but before we locked out
of the locker room, I know some of the guys,
you know, we're already talking about the next one and
how important that was. I'll say this though, that our
guys were saying the same thing just Saturday, you know,
And so I love that mindset and just you know,
it's one game seasons that we're playing right now, just

(43:09):
every week.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
It's great competition.

Speaker 10 (43:12):
You know, we've getting early, but we haven't played a
team that's had a loss when we've played him yet
this year, and so just it's a tribute to the
teams we're playing obviously again early in the year, but
another great challenge here with Missouri coming up.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, you've done a great job of since week one,
just having everybody focused and dialed, and you us seem
like you're crushing one guy who's absolutely killing it too.
Keeps that ball. As Will Kanton would say up here,
Ty Simpson just got he's got that good, he's got
that hey, he keeps it up, he keeps it tight.
Guy sits behind since has been a backup role for
three years, able to come in and he's putting up numbers.

(43:48):
We I think it's like fifteen hundred yards right now.
People are making whispers about a Heisman trophy. Just talk
about Ty Simpson, his development, what you've seen from him,
because it really seems like this guy's taking a major
step to where he's running up draft boards now. People
are excited about him when maybe before the season, when
we were talking about SEC quarterbacks, no one was really
mentioning the Alabama quarterback.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
Yeah, understandably, so we hadn't even named him as starter,
you know.

Speaker 10 (44:12):
And so I think really there's been just every week
a lot of growth and learning from him that he's
just been he's taken on.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
I think our coaches are.

Speaker 10 (44:22):
Just continuing to coach him hard and he's great with
it now because he understands that we're doing this because
there's a trust in him. We're asking a lot out
of him and he's capable of it and he knows
that we feel that way. So even this last week,
just you know, he put a lot on his shoulders
and and you know, we certainly know he could have

(44:44):
done a better job of getting the rid of the
ball at times, and you can call that being picky,
but we need great play out of him. We need
him managing the game. But he because he's going to
bring the explosives, whether it's with.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
His feet, with his arm.

Speaker 10 (44:56):
The big plays that he that separate him from other
quarterbacks are gonna happen just because of him and also
what we do offensively. But he's just got to continue
to do a good job of learning and learning from
the moments that set us back as an offense this
year or this last week. And he's done that every
week and now there's new things that will present themselves

(45:17):
going into Missouri.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Coach, I want to go back to the loss after
Florida State because there is clearly a lot of noise
around the program of Alabama talking about the impossible job,
the impossible succession of Nick Saban. We should have known
this was going to happen. De Bor, you know he's underwater. Guys,
are you see some effort plays out there against Florida State?

(45:41):
Looking back on week one, how did talk about your
staff talk about your players, because whether or not it's
noise and those are external things, it's loud enough around
a program at Alabama and the national landscape to where
no matter what, it is felt from every angle, whether
you want to block it out or not. How did
everybody in the building kind of handle that gut check moment?
Because one of you know, being around a lot of

(46:03):
programs and having a lot of successful programs before you
got to Alabama, a couple of things can kind of
happen there with the team. You either let the noise
kind of sit there, it doesn't really get addressed. Guys,
you know, clickstart form and conversations start happening. You kind
of just go on about your business like you know, hey, guys,
we're just going to stay with each other. Don't worry
about the noise. Or there's also teams that kind of
shut the doors, watch the tape very critically, almost address

(46:26):
everything going on and kind of have that gut check
moment like it seems like you guys had because you
guys have been swinging ever since yeah, you.

Speaker 10 (46:33):
Know, all seasons, all off season going back to January.
So much was made about the chemistry of this team,
the character and you know, it wasn't like our guys
were beating their chest about it. I think a lot
of it was just really heartfelt and people recognizing, you know,
what was happening with continuity of staff, continuity of players.

(46:55):
You know, we were proud of staff and talk about
the work ethic of individuals, and then those individuals would
talk about each other, you know, and there came this point,
as you mentioned, where you know, we have week one
and you know, now it's it's we're in the room
and we're talking about, Okay, is this real, Like do

(47:15):
we really care about the other guys that you know
and them counting on me and and us counting on
each other. Is it real that we really, you know,
don't want to let the other guy down? And I
think the answer has been seen that it was. And
you know, we weren't afraid to call it out. We
would call out guys and each other every single day

(47:36):
in practice.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
There's been a real accountability.

Speaker 10 (47:39):
As much as it looked like it in week one
or feel like it, that has happened and we just
went really back to the basics and kept it simple.
And I think it did create an edge that our
team had that punched them in the face. And and
we've used that a lot as far as you know,
what are you going to do or are you just
gonna take it?

Speaker 5 (47:58):
Or are you going to respond and punch back harder.

Speaker 10 (48:02):
I'm proud of the way the guys have taken all
that energy and most of it being negative, about ninety
nine point six nine percent of it being negative that
is outside and focusing it into what they could control.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
And that's the preparation.

Speaker 10 (48:16):
And you know, we have just again a couple of
simple foundational things about how we move and it kind
of relates to urgency.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
But it's been really critical for.

Speaker 10 (48:25):
Us to keep keep progressing, keep getting better and still
balance again the chip on the shoulder that we've had.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
You know, the world of college football and just again
social media.

Speaker 10 (48:36):
And everything that's out there, it is a lot of noise.
And we do know we signed up for it here
at Alabama because that comes with being here. And I
reminded the guys of that right away that I signed
up for that, they signed up for that. I recruited
guys here and told them, don't come here if you
can't handle it. And you know, again, these guys, you know,

(48:57):
I'm proud of the response that we've had here, you know,
going on the last.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Four weeks something.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Sorry, Taylor, I just want to I want to, And
I know we're in the middle of the season. You
guys have a gone little of a schedule. You can't
sleep on any team. You can't take a breath, you
can't take a break. You guys are going into Missoo
this next weekend, who's a very tough football team. But
the things that you're speaking to, like a moment that
stands out to me, like as I'm watching you guys,
it was in the Georgia game where I want to say,
one of your defenders, whether it was a double move
or something, he got beat, they scored touchdown and essentially

(49:25):
the staff like you, I'm assuming it was the defensive coordinator,
but you guys are coming on the field saying that's
on us, that's our call. But tapping you're just as
a former player, like as somebody who's played the game,
like knowing you you're in a very hostile environment, you're
on the road at a place like Georgia and just
seeing you guys kind of come off the sideline and
that kind of rally moment happening. I know, just as

(49:48):
a player, it was really exciting to see to where
I'm sitting there, I'm like, oh, these guys are these
guys are checked in. These guys are like lock the
fuck in. They know shit's gonna hit the fan. When
it does hit the fan, there's gonna be zero loss
of focus. There's not gonna be fingerporns, like, hey, let's
get to the sideline, let's regroup.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
So that's hats off to you guys. Again.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I know we're in the middle of the season. It's
not like you guys have won the Nattyet or anything.
But as a player, I very much I have a
lot of respect for a coaching staff like that.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, I mean, just to piggyback off everything will said,
Like that first game, there was a lot of noise
right like, and you're talking about the players. There's a
lot of conversations like what are the players doing the
night before the game? A lot of people are whispers
about all these things. I want to know where your
head was at in like just personally, whether with the
family talking like you obviously have to go and stand
in front of the team the next day and deliver

(50:34):
a message to them. That allows it to resonate so
they can be like, Okay, we do have each other's back,
but you got some lady in Alabama and the lottery,
the Powerball lotteries at one point four billion, Like, hey,
what would you do if you want the power ball?
That The first thing I'd do is I buy out
Kaitlin to bore and I make sure we get a
new head coach. And they're like, the noise is crazy
for you individually? How do you handle that pressure just

(50:55):
without worrying about the team, but like, how do you
like compartmentalize and handle all that?

Speaker 5 (50:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (51:00):
Well, I think first of all, going back to what
you said right away, you know, the noise that's real
and and like we get it, like you make your
own bed, right, I mean, we didn't play well and uh,
but I think the noise that people just want to
make things up and aren't real, you know, about what's
going on the night before that are completely false and factual.
You know, those are the things that just add to

(51:21):
the chip on their shoulder that that I've held on to.
I know our team's held on to, you know, and
not who we are. You know, it's not the character
of us. I mean, these guys are all in and
are doing the right things, and so that's what I
reminded them of. And you know, again, we can't control
what everyone else wants to run with, whatever storyline or
how they feel. And and you know that they've again

(51:45):
we've just kept enough of it.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Alive because we don't want we want don't.

Speaker 10 (51:51):
Want to take away the focus from what's really important.
That's our preparation when we step on the football field
tomorrow at practice, and you know that's what really matters.
And so you know, I just my message to the guys,
you know, wasn't one of an edge, you know, but
also one that said, you.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
Know, we we did some things that.

Speaker 10 (52:12):
You know, kind of made our own bet, and we
got to we gotta respond and we got to be better,
and we know we can be better, and we can
control that.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
That's the fortunate thing. So do you believe in.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
What we got?

Speaker 10 (52:22):
Do you believe in the talent? Do you believe in
the staff? And the staff believe in the players. And
I think the response has been you know that we do.
And I love coaching these guys, I really do. And
there's an excitement about going to battle with these guys,
and you know, we've proving it to.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Us, and that's what it starts with. But I also
know that there's an edge where we're proving it to
everyone else too.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
How do you keep that edge?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
How do you keep that focus going going to prepare
for a week against a team like the Missouri Tigers.
You have two very very emotional wins back to back
with Georgia and then have it hosting Vandy at home.
How do you stay locked in and can continue to
keep that chip on the shoulder where it's like, you know,
the urgency, You feel like the prep and urgency is
going to be there, But how do you just stay

(53:07):
on top of the boys because again, you guys got
to go to Missouri and it doesn't get easier throughout
the rest of the year.

Speaker 10 (53:13):
Yeah, they are really good and they are dominating on
the run game, both sides of the ball, the time
of possession.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
If we're not careful, you ain't gonna have the ball
at all. And so I think, how do you keep
the edge?

Speaker 10 (53:27):
I looked at the film, and we looked at the
film as a staff, and there were some mistakes and
things that we did early in the game, in particular,
as a team that just can't happen. And again it's
set in the direction early on. I thank goodness we've
been through the fight a little bit and you know,

(53:49):
we didn't flinch. I think like people probably have expected
us to the last few weeks, we didn't flinch when
you got in that moment. But we got a lot
of just things that we got to lean up and
be better. And it's exciting too because it shows that
there's a higher ceiling for our team. But we got
to go make it happen because you know, we keep

(54:10):
making those mistakes, we're gonna have one of these teams
going on the road at a Missouri or whatever it
might be, that are going to get you. And so
we just again got to execute better. That's really what
it was. I can't say our guys weren't in the fight.
I think they came off to the sideline and wanted
to solve problems and be solution oriented. They want to
be coached. But we just didn't execute a couple of things.

(54:33):
And it's it's really not a schematic thing. It's not
a team that it's just like literally one guy just
got to do his job better. And you know, some
of the things that we went through could have been avoided.
We got to finish, you know, at certain times. But
I'm proud of how we finished the game, you know,
the second half in particular, stuff in the run. Defensively
and offensively. We scored every possession. We just got to

(54:55):
turn some of those drives into touchdowns and not settle
our field goals.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
You guys a great I mean, you didn't flinch at all. Right,
you go down seven zero and then it's fourteen seven
at one point. I think Vanby had like one hundred
yards of rushing in the first half. A lot of
it came in the first quarter, and it seemed like
you guys didn't flinch at all, which is awesome. You
talked about Missouri a little bit owning the time of possession.
If you don't, if you're not carefully, you're not going
to get the ball at all. What what's the biggest
takeaway when you watched a film with the Missouri Tigers that, oh,

(55:20):
we got to watch out for this. I know they
have a hell of a rusher. Something about Penn State
backups going to other places and having a dominant successful
careers and Priblo he's playing really well. One of the
things you're seeing from their offensive side that's like, okay, well,
this is what we have to worry about a little bit.

Speaker 10 (55:34):
They have such a complimentary of skill and their running backs.
You know heardy and he has a mistackle statistically is
a misstackle, and it shows up on film every other carry,
you know, And I mean he just keeps plays alive
and people think they got him down and he's still running,
and the yards after contact just you know, blow your mind.

(55:56):
And so we got a rally. We got to be there.
Scheme schemes they run and the things they run off
the play, the playoff the plays. You know, Coach Drinkuitz
and Kirby Moore you can see their fingers all over
it and know those too well over the years. Kirby
was with me, Coach Moore was with me for you know,
four years together at Fresno State, and so you can

(56:18):
you can see that meshing their the philosophies together. They're
extremely efficient, you know, seventy six percent completion percentage. It's
just it's impressive what they're doing. You can see what
their philosophy is and then defensively they compliment it and
they get the ball back form and then they just
go do it again. And so they're really they're in
it for the long haul. You know, you don't see

(56:40):
them having to feel like they got to go score
you know, twenty five points in the first quarter. They're
willing to, you know, just grind, grind you out, you know,
and you know they're going to take their shots when
they want to, and you know, throw a trick play
or specials play action down the field.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
But uh, you know they're gonna of playing for the
fourth quarters.

Speaker 10 (57:01):
And they won a lot of close games over the
last few years, you know, with that type of philosophy,
and every team looks a little different, but they got
a lot of pieces that are coming together right now.
When you take their their skill mixed in with an
offensive line that fits what they do.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
You know that you know the type of week is
going to be for the players. Like towards the end
of the week at.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Alabama, it's gonna be like, man, why is the staff
kind of why do they feeling like we kind of
lost these last Yeah, like you know what I mean
to kind of keep that coach on the shoulder, Yeah,
like they know, like, hey, if we played a level
of game we can beat.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Yeah, why are we fucking what are they acting like?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
We lost the tails?

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yeah, that's gonna be like the urgency that the players
are kind of feeling at the end of the week.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I can taste it, coach, Big Spootober family, You got
you guys. You guys love to celebrate Halloween, the family decorating.
We got some costumes in the way waiting in the wings.
What do we got going on for the month of Spooptober.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Yeah, my wife, it does a pretty good job.

Speaker 10 (57:58):
I guess I would say, uh, I don't get him
busy in football, right, But I will say my wife
does a pretty good job with all holidays making it
feel a certain way. And so she already got the
September and October or the October themed things you know,
about a week ago, so she's ahead of the game
like usual.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Do you have a Do you have a favorite scary movie?

Speaker 5 (58:21):
I can't think of what I mean. I like the
dramas and the scary ones. But yeah, but I can't
say I got a favorite.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
He's just thinking of games he's lost.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah that's scary movie. Yeah, those are the scary movies. Gee,
before we coached broad here. Do you have any questions
for him? He's our resident Alabama fan, Garrett.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
I do coach roll Tide.

Speaker 7 (58:45):
Quick question. Now that the black hoodie has created some
sort of lore, I just got to know, is it
the same hoodie every week? And are you washing it
in between games?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Great question.

Speaker 10 (58:55):
It's funny how something you've done for so long, all
of a sudden it becomes a thing now And I'm good,
well whatever. I mean, that's what I've been comfortable with
in for years and you know, so they're just making
it even more comfortable.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
But yeah, it does get washed.

Speaker 10 (59:11):
I promise you that there's been a couple of hot
games the last couple of weeks, and you know, but yeah,
it's it's funny that it's taken a little bit of
a life there, and you know, just trying to keep
the guys and my family, my daughters, they see it all,
you know, and they are even kind of putting the
pressure on me, like, Coach, you can't let us down,

(59:33):
you know. So, yeah, I didn't mean for it to
be that way. It was just kind of what I
was comfortable with in over the years. But it's it's
kind of taken a life of its own crazy.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Enough coach man, thank you for your time, bro, good
luck it gets missoo this week. Seriously, hats off to
you over these last few weeks. It's been fun to
watch you guys kind of climb out of that. It's
felt like black hole that was around you guys after
that Florida State game. But very much appreciate your time, man.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
Yeah, you bet.

Speaker 10 (59:59):
Appreciate what you guys do for just all sports, college football.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
The excitement you continue to build.

Speaker 10 (01:00:05):
It takes a there's a lot of growth that's happening
in our sport and excitement for it. The craziness that
revolves around building your team and all that. That's one thing,
but uh, the sport continues to grow. So appreciate all
you guys do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
He hit you, coach, coach bar friend of the show,
Friend of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Hit the group chat, tell them, tell them you're ten
still alive. Tell you boys, your ten still alive.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Your ten.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Still appreciate you, coach. We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
You bet.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Ay what a guy?

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Yeah that was fun that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
I don't think an I don't know if you hear me.

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
Thanks guys, Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
You bet? Yeah, you guys are you guys? Are you
know again?

Speaker 10 (01:00:43):
Like what I just said is it's cool seeing what
you guys do. You bring good energy to everything, So
thanks for it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Thank you. I appreciate you just taking the time of
the day too. Obviously it's a big win and a
couple of schmucks like us, it's awesome that you took
the time.

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
Man.

Speaker 10 (01:00:55):
I just was in the defensive room, walked straight out
of there and all the things you were just talking
about that I was able to explain pretty quickly because
that was a demoralizing watching the highlight film of that
retail back make all the plays he's made this year.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
He's impressive, dude, he is very impressive.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
He is.

Speaker 9 (01:01:11):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
Yeah, they got the other guy too, the compliments.

Speaker 10 (01:01:13):
He got seven point three one, seven point one one,
seven point three yards per carry.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
So it ain't just one guy. They can match you
with the second one too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
So yeah, Inten's got to be going into going into Columbia.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
Yeah eleven o'pot kickoff, We got it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Yeah bro, Yeah all right, coach, Yeah, man, doing good.

Speaker 9 (01:01:31):
Last week, I was I had a travel nightmare from
hell getting home from Dublin.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
That's why I couldn't jump on with you guys.

Speaker 9 (01:01:36):
I spent literally twenty four hours traveling, spent like eight
hours in Heathrow in London, lost our bags, missed our connection.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
It was a nightmare.

Speaker 9 (01:01:46):
Oh Jesus, I left and so I left Dublin. Local
Dublin time is like is five hours ahead of East Coast,
so we left. It was overtime of the Packers Dallas game,
so it was like eleven thirty Eastern, four thirty am
in Dublin. We were in the car going to the airport.

(01:02:06):
I walked in my house with two minutes to go
in the fourth quarter of Monday night football.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Monday night football.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
That is brutal.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
It was brutal, but uh, Dublin was cool though. Dublin
was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, I bet, But that travel Schales was crazy. How
do you how do you reset for your for practices
that week?

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Coming you know what?

Speaker 9 (01:02:29):
Coming east? I always do pretty well. Or no, I'm sorry,
coming west, I always do pretty well. Going east is
when it got Being in Dublin. We were more like
jet lagged and time was off coming back west. Coming
home was fine was not that big of a deal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Did you ever did you ever play across the Pond?

Speaker 6 (01:02:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:02:54):
Twenty nineteen. So my last year in Carolina, we played
in London. We played the Bucks.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
It was all.

Speaker 9 (01:03:00):
I loved it. I thought it was super cool. I
thought the crowd was great. I think the fans internationally
loved the games. It was a cool experience. I had
never been, so I've been out to Europe two times
to play in a game in London and to call
a game in Doublin.

Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Did your team go? Did you guys go for the week.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Or did you go for that Thursday?

Speaker 9 (01:03:19):
Now we started doing it like you know those teams. Well,
I guess everyone's still kind of doing a little different.
But we uh went like Thursday. We either went like
Wednesday night or Thursday.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
And I remember Thursday, Thursday, after practice, Yeah we went.

Speaker 9 (01:03:34):
We had like a practice and then we flew through
the night and we either landed there like Friday morning
early or Thursday morning early.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
I don't remember which one, but yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
It was good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I can't I can't believe he enjoyed it. I hated it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Yeah, I wasn't a Why didn't you like it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I just you're like when you get done with practice
and then you go and hit the jet and then
you're thinking like all right, guy, you know you're trying
to figure out that's your night of sleep. And then
you land and it's Friday morning. You jump right in
the meetings, you jump right in the there's a massive
nap that ends up happening. But they tried to tell
you not sleep too long. It was just then the
field was kind of slippery like that. The turf that

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they had was a little bit I felt like a
little bit different.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
The practice field that we were on, because I think
it was it was eighteen, Yeah, the year you were there.
Eighteen We went to play the Chargers in London. We
did the same thing. Left Thursday, landed Friday morning, did
a practice. You go practice playing practice. And the practice
field in London was it was like in front of
like this like pseudo castle and there was like divots
all everywhere and he kind of just like doing a
job too. But you're like in hell from a sleepy

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boy standpoint, and do not go to sleep until seven
thirty and it's just I remember looking at the clock,
it was like seven twenty eight and it was the
longest two minutes of my life because I was like
I got to check the box of seven thirty before
go to sleep. Then all the boys like the next day, like, yeah,
we went out, we went to the pub. I'm thinking,
how the fuck do you guys do that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Yeah? Yeah, that's what got me got those days way over.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
I know, I thought, I thought, Tottenham Stadium? Where'd you got?
We played at Tottenham?

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Did you play ship one of them? London played in London?

Speaker 9 (01:05:04):
Man, Well, I think there's Wimbley right, Yeah, yeah, that
was it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Yeah, we played it.

Speaker 9 (01:05:09):
We were at Tottenham, which was like the brand new
stadium that they had just built. I don't know, it
was like I think it was within like a year
or two of us playing there, so it was brand new.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
It was nice. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
I thought.

Speaker 9 (01:05:20):
I thought it was a cool experience. I had never
been overseas before, so maybe that was part of it.
But uh yeah, the sleep is the hardest part. The
jet lag is the worst part.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Yeah, and then we tied, so you're you're flying back
he kind of that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Yeah, Okay, and my team lost, so I guess we
all we fall felt every single different.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
From winning winning cures winning, No doubt for us though,
for us, that was like our kicker missed the field
goal to win, So you kind of felt like we
kind of felt.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Like we want We felt really shitty for Dustin Hoppins.
You felt like them on the bag.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
It's all good man, we did our job, but it's
all good.

Speaker 9 (01:05:55):
But you mean it, that's the question. And you put
your arm around him. Did you mean it is the real.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
You're that's where you hope. With cameras around, you're like, oh, man,
will compfidence? Really he's got his boys back.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Yeah, I'm thinking I had to pick to tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
You get to pick.

Speaker 9 (01:06:09):
Yeah, if only everybody else was committed as great?

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Can I ask you a question? Speak of being across
the pond. If you're a head coach of a football
team and you get there, you fly across the pond,
you get the guys ready, and then somebody is late
to a team meeting because they wanted to sight see,
would you suspend them for the first quarter of that game?

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Okay, all right, Jordan Addison, Kevin O'Connell. That's the situation
that happened last weekend.

Speaker 9 (01:06:38):
Very very I don't care if we're in Chicago, Charlotte, Dallas,
or Dublin. I don't care where we are. Meetings start
when they start, Responsibilities start when they start.

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
Like this is pro ball man, Like.

Speaker 9 (01:06:53):
This is this is not high school, and this is
not you know your mom didn't drop you off in time,
and you left your helmet at home, and you know
college even like we all were stupid, and you know
you sleep through a workout at six am because you're alarmed,
Like we've all had those moments. But like pro ball man,
there's just no excuses for any of that. Like in
my mind, I always thought, like the guys that relate,

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the guys that miss stuff, I just always took it
as disrespect for everybody else around you time, Like if
it's okay for me to be on time, why is
it not okay for you to be on time.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
I'm just as tired, I'm just as busy.

Speaker 6 (01:07:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
That's how I always viewed it.

Speaker 9 (01:07:30):
So yeah, I would have at the pro level, I
would have zero tolerance for like guys missing, guys showing
up late. Now when I mention him the whole game, no,
I think what they did that game?

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
You need the game winning touchdown, got to have the
game on.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
I mean, we're not heroes, we're not heroes.

Speaker 9 (01:07:50):
He're like, you gotta say, uh, Mario Cristobal, the coach
down in Miami. He told me something that I've never forgot.
He said he learned this from Nick Saban. He said
Nick Saban had had a saying. He said, when the
tiger enters the temple, make him part of the ceremony.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
And like the.

Speaker 9 (01:08:08):
Idea being like, you're gonna have stuff that goes bad.
You're gonna have a guy that's late to pregame, he's
gonna miss the bus, he's gonna There needs to be
discipline in the moment, but it can't become a distraction
to the entire locker room. The guy's now walking storming
out of the locker room, and he's not playing, and
now all of a sudden, the game plan is thrown
away and we might lose the game over it. Like,

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there's a time to discipline them, there's a way to
discipline them, but don't take it so far that it
gets in the way of everybody else's ability to go
out and compete and win the game. I always think
that's a very good thing to keep in mind. Like
Satin for the quarter made the point to the rest
of the team that nobody's above the rules, and now
get your asspeck in there and go win the game.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Yeah yeah, I'm sure that locker room was like you
learn your lesson. Good, great catch at the end. That
was phenomenal.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
I love that is everyone is everyone good?

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Yeah, we're good. Hey, that was all. We're actually to
take away that fine now because you've got that game
whening touchdown about exactly when you're when you're coaching your
games and some of these kids show up late, do
you go to the parent and give them a talking to,
maybe give them hit them with a fine or something
like that.

Speaker 9 (01:09:14):
So that's where it's a little bit different because right now,
at our age, kids are one hundred percent dependent on
their parents, right like, the parents take them to and
from practice, the parents schedule dentist appointments, the schedule the parents.
It's the kids not scheduling an orthodontis appointment on a
Tuesday at four o'clock, right like, it's not the kid's fault.

(01:09:35):
So we try our best to communicate all the scheduling
and all the you know, expectations, both to the kids
of course because they got to learn it, but also
equally is important to the parents because little Johnny wants
to be at practice on time at a you know,
a summer workout at eight thirty am on a Wednesday.
But like mom and dad have work and it's summer.

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So like I am a little bit more understanding of
the young kids of what's going on. And they have siblings,
they have parents, they have jobs. Like there's a lot
more going on for these kids than just sports, Unlike
you know the professionals who as is all they do.
So I'm a little bit more understanding of the kids.
We have a little bit more grace and leniency, But
I do tell the kids all the time, like, don't

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take advantage now, Like every once in a while, Okay,
circumstances come up. We're gonna take everything on a case
by case basis. But if it's if it's just continuous
and it's the same repeat offenders over and over again,
we're gonna have accountability. We're gonna have standards that apply
to everybody on the team, from the top player to
the bottom of the roster.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Everyone's the same.

Speaker 9 (01:10:40):
But it is just a little bit of a different
dynamic because of how dependent they are on their family,
you know, on their family dynamics and their parents.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
And whatnot, no doubt, no doubt. But if they're like
three times, four times, five times, do we maybe grab
the dad in the corner and be like, what's what's
your deal? We have a conversation with him. Hey, man, listen,
have you had a dicey situation with a parent?

Speaker 9 (01:11:03):
To be honest with you, We've been doing this now
at the school for two years, and I have to
say we have parents that really have bought in to
what we ask. And we are the first to admit
that what we do is not for everyone, and we
ask a lot of time. We ask for all the summers,
we ask for time after school, and we're doing zoom
meetings the night before games. Granted the kids are home,

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but like everyone's logging onto a zoom at seven thirty
to eight thirty and we're tightening up some stuff for
the next game. So playing for us is probably a
little bit of a bigger time commitment than maybe some
of the other you know age you know at this
age level of some of the other teams. But we
don't shy away from it. We communicate it up front.
We're very open and honest about what we're doing. And

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pretty much now for two years. Are the kids love it?
The kids would practice and watch film all day long.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
Coach, when are we gonna watch practice? Coach, We're gonna
watch game film.

Speaker 9 (01:11:56):
Hey, they love it, but it's a burden on the family,
so we're always very conscious and balance too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
But hey, just to bring up a Nie Nick Saban quote,
it takes what it takes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
You tell me you're a feeling when we go undefeated
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yeah, exactly. You guys are essentially the IMG of.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
Pop Warner football, really good teams and they could beat us.

Speaker 9 (01:12:20):
Like, and I tell our kids all the time, like,
if the second we don't play our best game, we
are going to get everybody's best shot. And the second
we don't play our best game, we could lose. And
we don't ever talk about winning every game. I mean,
I joke about it with you guys, but like, we
don't ever talk to the kids like the expectation is
to win every game.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
The expectation.

Speaker 9 (01:12:42):
We never talk about wins and losses ever. All we
talk about is how good can we get? How good
can we get? And when we're good, we tell them
we're good. When we're not good, we make the corrections
and we tell them, hey, we got higher standards than this.
This is unacceptable, we got to address this or whatever
it is. So we never talk about wins and losses.
We don't start the season saying we got to win
all seven games, we got to win by one hundred like,

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we never discuss wins and losses, and we we don't
coach the scoreboard. We are gonna coach you harder up
thirty than if we were up seven, and we don't
coach the scoreboard. We don't coach. We don't think you
played well because we won by thirty. We don't think
we played bad because we lost. We are gonna play.
We are gonna coach you based on your performance of
every play. And if we do that over and over

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and over again, we probably won't win a lot of games.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
What do you say to the fans that are now
starting to there's some you know, there's some rat poison.
I feel like entering into your camp on there's this.
I've been on some I've been on some message boards
and there's some talk. Now it's like, hey, as Greg
Ols and this football team gotten a little too Hollywood. Yeah,
they got vlogs, they're film and their game there Mike done.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Seems like he's enjoying the spotlight a little.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Yeah, yeah, changed.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Yeah, those haters and fans that are kind of seeing
that you guys are putting some Yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
The Hall of fame. It's not the Hall of fame
that's going to get to Luke. It's going to be
his seventh grade defense.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah. Some guys got different stuff, different jokes for different folks.

Speaker 9 (01:14:11):
Hey, listen, we understand the world that we live in.
I think the kids really enjoy it. But with with
with all of it, and if you play for us,
honesty is never going to be an issue. There's never
going to be. I wonder where I stand. I wonder
what the messaging is. We're going to be very direct
and clear. Whether you like it or not, We're going
to be very direct and clear. We tell our kids
all the time, all this stuff is fun. Everybody likes

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seeing the videos. Everybody likes laughing and Allsen's nuts and
keik Lee and but like the kids, they in today's world,
we all know people eat this stuff up, and we're
going to give the kids the opportunity to enjoy it. Right,
It's part of the experience of playing sports in today's world.
Whether everybody likes it or not, it's not going anywhere.
So the alternative one option is to lean into it

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and do it and put the kids out there and
let them enjoy it. But then the other side it
is you got to target on your back, and there's
gonna be a lot of people that don't like it,
and there's a lot of people that don't like me,
and a lot don't like our staff and don't like
that they go to this school and they don't like
that you win, Like that's the real world in everything

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that you do. It's gonna be even worse when you
get to high school and so on and so forth.
So we lean into it. We don't want to be
the bad guys. We're not trying to be bullies. We're
not trying to be We believe in coaching football the
way we all know football, and that doesn't start at
high school, it doesn't start in college. It doesn't start
if you're it's the only way to play the game

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of football from a safety standpoint, from a competitive standpoint,
is to play the game the way we were all
taught to play the game, which is smart, fast, aggressive,
with great fundamentals and technique, and we are going to
play extremely hard and violent. That is the sport of football.
Whether you're in seventh grade, twelfth grade, or in your
tenth year in the NFL, it never changes. And that's

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how we believe it should be played. That's how we
believe it should be coached. Our kids embrace it, they
love it, they thrive. We had thirty two kids on
the team last year.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
We got fifty this year. We might have sixty next year.
Like it works.

Speaker 9 (01:16:13):
The notion that you can't hold kids to high standards,
the notion that you can't be intense in the correct forum,
with the correct words and the correct delivery, like it's
all and again we haven't always gotten all that right.
But these young boys at this age in their life,
they thrive on it. They feed on it. And the parents,
the amount of parents that tell me, like I don't

(01:16:35):
recognize my son anymore, Like this isn't the same boy
that I knew. His confidence, the way he stands up
getting ready in the morning, Like it has a lasting
impact on not just the football, it impacts them in everything.
And telling two guys like we all had the same life,
Like this was all we ever did, and whether we
ever played professional ball or not, those early football experiences

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shaped everything we've ever done.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yeah, yeah, I don't recognize my sonnymore. He's taking Creed
team and way protein.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Yeah morning.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
It reminds me of like a Kabe when he talks
about he's like, send your send your kid the daggastan
for two years. Forget like that is it sounds like
you just say, if you're a kid, you don't know
what he's gonna be. He's got maybe some toughness issues,
some you know, he's a little disorganized. Send him. But
Greg Ols and yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
Handle business and listen.

Speaker 9 (01:17:21):
And I also want to be clear, like we have
a lot of fun, Like this is not just like
dog days grinding them through the pull. Like I tell
our kids, the more the game gets out of whack,
the harder we're gonna coach you. Because the problem in blowouts,
especially at the young age, is that's where bad habits

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get created. So all of a sudden, how often do
you see, all right, the game's out of reach. Now
everything's okay. Now you jumped off sides. Man, we fumbled
the snap and we didn't line up correctly. But all
of a sudden Now you're just coaching to the scoreboard.
We don't coach the scoreboard because those habits we lose
in the second half of a thirty point game. I
got to spend all week next week undoing all of

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those habits before our next game. And we don't have
time for that. Like, we don't have time to keep
going backwards. So when it's thirty to nothing, we're going
to coach the hell out of your splits, and we're
going to coach your stance, and we're going to coach
your getoff and your leverage and which head wehar's your
hat placement, because the second we let it go, that
habit now has been formed in a negative way. I

(01:18:23):
got to coach the shit out of that all week
now again against a team who's better, and it could
cost us. So like, yeah, that's just the way it works, man, Like,
there's no other way to play the game of football
if you want to play it and you want to
be competitive and you want to be safe and you
don't want to get hurt, and the only way to
play it is that way. And we want to teach
these kids as young as possible what that looks like.

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So that they're ready for high school. That's our number
one goal. Get these kids ready to be high school players,
some of them next year, and then obviously the seventh
graders in two years.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
So we gotta you want to hit Mitch's question.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
I did want to add, just this is a quick hypothetic. Well,
let's say in Netflix or a paramount or a Prime
came to you or like or a busting or or
a busting busting productions and they're like, Hey, love what
you're doing. I think the world needs to see what
you're doing. What do you think of like a reality
Gridiron Pupps type of show that comes out like a SERI,

(01:19:19):
like an eight you know, any fashion Corners eight episode series.
Would you humor that conversation with said programs?

Speaker 10 (01:19:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:19:28):
I think I would.

Speaker 9 (01:19:29):
I I believe Here's what I'll say. I don't sit
here you I've talked to you guys a million times.
I don't sit here pretending that I have all the
answers or that our way is the only way of
doing football. I'm the first to say we have not
always done everything right in the world of youth sports.
We've not always coached our teams right. I haven't always been.

(01:19:50):
My message to my own three children after games or
after practices has not always been right. I'm the first
to address that I am an intense person. I love
to compete. I don't like other people getting the better
of me. It's just the way I'm wired. So it
comes through and the teams that I coach like. I
want my kids to embody highly, highly competitive spirit in

(01:20:12):
everything that they do, because I think that's how you
learn and grow and find yourself in the world of sports.
Having said that, I think I would have no problem
with people seeing behind the curtain of what we do
us not everyone's gonna like it. Some people are gonna
love it. Some people are gonna say, oh my god,
this is what I want for my son or daughter.
But other people are gonna say, I want nothing to

(01:20:34):
do with that. And that's okay. We love these kids.
These kids know they're loved, and these kids know that
they're going to be coached big time and hard and
held accountable. And after every game, every parent who comes
up and shakes our hand says, continue to coach my kid,
continue to push my kid, because the kid they gave
us is very different than the kid we give them back.

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That doesn't mean there's not bumps in the road. That
doesn't means at times got to push the envelope. But man,
the finished product at the end of the season, we
give these kids back and they move on to basketball
or wrestling or whatever they or they just go home
and they don't play a winter sport. Man, seeing the
finished product is far and away better than the wins
and the losses. I think being able to showcase that

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and all the work that we put in the summers,
the meetings, the calls, the lunches with me and Luke,
I think people would. I think a lot of people
would enjoy it. I think some people would think it's
too much, and that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Yeah, we got a question for you in the back
from our boy Mitch. You obviously you played a buddy
of his. You guys played his team recently, But Mitch,
go ahead, brother Coach.

Speaker 8 (01:21:39):
Greg, there is a clip going around of you and
Coach Luke watching film of the penalty, and you guys
were not very happy with said penalty. Meanwhile, you guys
were up forty four to nothing. My question is how
much hell do you guys give the refs of these games.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Great question by Mitch Carl.

Speaker 9 (01:21:55):
I'm glad you asked me this, and I hope this
clip goes. I think it's going to go hard time.
I've said this. I've said this about NFL referees, So
I'm standing consistent with NFL referees all the way down
to middle school and you know, Pop Warner, I think
they have a really hard job. I think there's a
lot going on. I think when you get down to

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lower age groups, you know, so middle school age groups,
on every play there's chaos, right, there's coaches yelling to
get kids lined up, there's formations that look a little wonky,
there's kids downfield, there's holding calls. There could be penalties
on every single play. I totally understand that and respect

(01:22:37):
the job that they're doing. Do we work the officials
the entire game, Yes, there's That's kind of part the
football culture of continuing to find advantages for your teams
is kind of ingrained. After every game, though, I make
sure I go to the officials like there's nothing personal
about any of this, Like this is not personal attacks

(01:22:57):
on them. This is not that I quit their integrity
or question their competency. We are going to coach hard.
We're going to coach our kids hard. We're going to
try to find every advantage. We're going to try to
find every call. We're going to try to manipulate the
game the best that we can. That particular example, it
was halftime when I said, let's go girls, it was
the cheerleaders. I've been very clear with you guys that

(01:23:20):
halftime stops because the girls, my daughter's on the cheerleading team,
they go out and perform. So the clip after me
saying that is like, let's go girls. Obviously I was
responding to my daughter and her friends that just cheered
at halftime.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
But yeah, we have iPads that we can see.

Speaker 9 (01:23:34):
And there was a fourth down personal foul called that
they said our guy knocked down the quarterback late.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
Actually the.

Speaker 9 (01:23:43):
Offensive lineman ran into his own quarterback and knocked him down,
And that's why I said that. And again the score
is irrelevant. I was saying that amongst our coaches. At halftime,
we're trying to regroup on everything that had gone on,
and in the heat of the game, yeah, we're intense.
In the heat of the game, we're after we're coaching

(01:24:03):
our kids, we're yelling at our own coaches. Me and
my dad are arguing. Me and Luke are like, it's
a football sideline, is an intense sideline. But I have
a ton of respect for officials. I don't think their
job is easy at any level. And after every game
I make sure at least my message to them is like, listen,
whatever happened during the game, arguing, calls, holding off sides, downfield,

(01:24:25):
whatever it was, We're good. There's zero animosity, zero hard feelings.
I don't envy the job you guys have, and I'll
see you guys in a couple weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
We're good. I was like, oh, all right, yeah, that's
one sided. Maybe sometimes do I ride them? Yes, yeah,
no question. At the score, it's irrelevant.

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
Hey, that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 9 (01:24:45):
And I and I get that from everyone, like, man,
why are you get you know you're up by a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
We don't coach to the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Scoreboard, right, yes, sir, The score, in.

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
My mind, is completely irrelevant the game.

Speaker 9 (01:25:01):
When the score gets out of hand, we ad of
every single one of our kids has played in the
last two games, all forty nine of them, we control
the score. We get young kids in, we get some
kids who haven't gotten a lot kids that have never
played football before. We use the depth of our roster
to control the scoreboard. We're not looking to score one hundred.

(01:25:23):
We will always be respectful of the other team. But
we also owe it to our older kids, who gave
their entire summer, who give four days a week of practice,
who get coached really hard. We owe it to them
that they get to play and we get to run
our offense, and we get to run our defense, and
we get to do all the things that we spend
so much time working on. The kids deserve game day

(01:25:43):
because it's in football. It's so much more practice than
it is games. It's the only youth sport that's designed
like that. If you don't give the kids the game experience,
the grind of the weekday practice is hard.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
It's a lot breaks you down a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Should we tuk some ball?

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Hey, so I have a I have a couple of
questions for you going off to the first game on
the Sunday slate out in Were they in Dublin?

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
There not in America?

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Somewhere on international soil?

Speaker 9 (01:26:15):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Thoughts on Dylan Gabriel's performance debut, and then also go ahead,
let's start with that one because the other one will
be a much loaded.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
Yeah, the game was in.

Speaker 9 (01:26:23):
The game was in London, Minnesota, and Cleveland was in London,
so we had Minnesota in Dublin and then they flew
So they're the first NFL team to do back to
back international games. So they were kind of like the
pilot of Okay, what would this look like if we
had people double up and play overseas in consecutive week.
So Minnesota volunteer. They played Pittsburgh and the game we

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did in Dublin, then they flew to London, spent the week,
played another game, then they'll.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
Come home and have their bye week.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
I caught that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
I caught that game.

Speaker 9 (01:26:51):
We were heading we were traveling to the stadium for
our one o'clock kick when that game was on. I
caught probably half of the game in the just getting
ready for it, and so I saw bits and pieces
of Dylan Gaber also bits and pieces of the game
kind of know, went back and forth. I think he
was okay, right, I think he's gonna be und There's
gonna be a lot of speculation, There's gonna be a

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lot of you know, scrutiny about how he's playing, of
course with Shador and should Shador be the guy and
all the antics this week in the locker room once
they named Dylan the starter and what that all looks like.
But I think we have to give a little bit
of grace and understand that that offense is a work
in progress. That offense is going to have some struggles,
and all of a sudden putting in a rookie quarterback

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is not all of a sudden gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
Make all of that go away. I thought they played competitive.
Their defense is nasty, but.

Speaker 9 (01:27:41):
I thought Minnesota, considering how many guys they were down
in the offensive line, they made just enough players obviously
to pull it out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Yeah, I would agree with that. I thought Dylan played okay.
There were some inaccurate throws that he did have, had
some moments. We got to talk to our boy and Joku. Hey,
if he don't get the ball, I'm watching the tape,
he throws up his hands.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Yeah, every time receiversancy you do seems to be a
little more devish, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Sure like Greg will take Greg was a phenomenal tight end,
like you're tied in out there like your best you know,
like your number one guy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
Is out there like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Throwing up his hands like this, if it's a tough throw,
he doesn't give him the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Especially with the rookie quarterback making his first start. Right,
it's like give him right, Like you saw Justin Jefferson
a few weeks ago with JJ McCarthy on his first start,
even though it wasn't going the way they want to
the fourth quarter, JJ's like, or Justin Jefferson is like, hey,
I've got you. We're gonna be all right, be all good.
Ends up pulling it out at the end.

Speaker 9 (01:28:31):
Well over over the course of time, I'm sure in
fourteen years there's clips of me having a reaction or
throwing my head back if I thought I was open.
I'm sure it happens sporadically for everybody. You just don't
want it to become you know, you don't want to
become consistent. You want it to become continuous that over
and over, every time you don't get the ball, your

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body language turns the ship like you don't want to
be that guy. Quarterbacks don't trust that guy. Every now
and then you're gonna have a weak moment, a moment
of frustration. Of course, it just can't become a habit,
because that's when the quarterback looks at you and he's like,
hey man, shut up, Like right enough, I see it.

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It's disrespectful, it's making me look bad, it's making all
the attention about you. So you got to be careful.
You don't ever want to be in a position where
you show up your quarterback. So yeah, I'm have I
ever done it?

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
Probably? Would I be proud of it?

Speaker 9 (01:29:29):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
And would you want to do it over and over
again that you can't?

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Yeah? Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
My second question is going to be what do you
feel like the conversation looks like now for the Vikings
at quarterback? I thought Carson Wentz played pretty well and
obviously having that game winning drive driving at eighty yards
there to win the game. What do you think the
conversations are like from Minnesota right now going into the
bye week?

Speaker 9 (01:29:49):
Yeah, I think this bye week is going to be
really interesting. You know, they lost a close one. They
had the ball with a chance to at least go
down and tie against Pittsburgh the week before, and he
took bad sack grounding call and it kind of derailed
the end of the game. So they end up losing,
and you know, then it's like, oh, we can't wait
for JJ McCarthy to get back, and then they go
and they pull off the late game come back against

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you know, arguably one of the best defenses in the
league in Cleveland, and you know, so obviously Wentz comes
through when they need it and they pull out a
win without their starting right tackle. They're starting center on
their first round left guard or right guard Jackson from
Ohio State. So me down three starting offensive lineman overseas
back to back games, and you do it against a

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really good defense and obviously Miles Garrett arguably the best
defensive player in the league. So good bounce back game
there for Carson Wentz. I think Kevin O'Connell's a stud.
But yeah, they've got a question on their hand. They've
got a situation on their hand, right, like what is
that balance? I think every organization goes through. What is
the balance between being competitive in this very moment, which
we all know is the NFL. This is a results

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oriented business. You have to win today versus JJ McCarthy,
who in their mind is the quarterback of the future
both tomorrow and how many years. So I don't have
a great feel of what they're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Yeah, I don't either.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
I'll be honest, I don't have a great feel for it.
I think j J.

Speaker 9 (01:31:15):
McCarthy's a really good player. I think he can have
a really good career in this league. I like him
as a kid, I like him as a guy. Every
time I've talked to him, I've walked away like really
impressed with just his presence. But I'm not sure if
Carson Wentz has done enough to not continue to play.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
I'm with you, I don't know. It's what's the most
important goal this year? Is it winning football games? To me,
if it's winning, it's Carson and Greg when you go on,
like watch this tape two. I think Carson does a
great He throws a good ball, he's he's getting out
of trouble very well. He keeps his eyes down field,
he's throwing the ball, he's he's ripping it before guys

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are getting out of their breaks. So they're right there,
they're right there, and it's tattooed right on him. He
throws a good fifty to fifty ball to Justin Jefferson
to where I don't know. Maybe, I mean, you're JJ McCarthy,
any young quarterback. You think, okay, I have Justin Jefferson.
Let's give him a shot out at times where it's
like he's clearly covered and he throws great fifty to
fifty balls. I think Carson Wentz is the guy. If
you're if you're looking at if the goal is winning

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games this season, I in my opinion, it's Carson Wentz.
If it's the development and throwing everything into the future,
then obviously that's where the decision with JJ McCarthy would
come from. But I feel like Carson's played some good football.

Speaker 6 (01:32:25):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
I think you're in a position. You're in the best
possible situation if you're the Minnesota Vikings, because you can
actually have both. Like what is Kevin O'Connell. The whole
theme around Kevin occonnell this year is look what he's
done with these backup quarterbacks. If I'm Minnesota, I'm secretly
giving it to a beat writer that publicly JJ McCarthy
is a bust. Let the world know that JJ's a bust.
Once he's a bust and everyone says he's a bust,

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he'll now be good because Kevin O'Connell will make him good.
That's how it works.

Speaker 5 (01:32:51):
It's Kevin O'Connell's school for rehabilitated quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Exactly, exactly, that's what they need to do. Carson Wentz
let him play. Make it seem like JJ's a bust.
He's done. Something will happen, maybe Carson Wentz, he has
a little anky, a soft tish happens later in the year,
JJ comes in big time playoffront. Oh my god, They're
in the NFC Championship.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Yeah, I just I feel like Carson he's uh, he's
much more equipped to play that game, at that second level,
at that extra gear he's done.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
I mean, people forget he was he was v he
was MVP either MVP R MVP caliber guy and then
his team ended up winning the Super Bowl. He towards
a cl Nick Foles ended up taking over. Like he
is a guy, and he's been sitting resting, learning, playing
on multiple different teams like he he is an absolute stud.
So you know he'll he'll probably play himself into a
starting quarterback, whether it's Minnesota or somewhere else next year,

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just like Sam Donald, just like Daniel Jones, just like
all these guys. So it's impressive for the game that
you called Cowboys Jets. Are we sitting in a situation
now where Dak Prescott is an MVP front runner guy
At this point the.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
Front runner probably debatable? Is he in the conversation? Without question?
He's a the two or three?

Speaker 9 (01:34:01):
Yeah, I mean, think about what he did yesterday. Okay,
Now I understand the Jets have not been good and
they've yet to win. Defensively, they're not bad, right Like,
defensively that is not a historically bad defense or at
the bottom of you know, they're at the bottom of
some categories, but not like you don't go into that
game saying, oh my god, the Jets are horrible. The Dallas'

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defense was thirty second in the league. They were historically
bad in a lot of categories, and Dak went into
that game on the road with the worst defense in football,
albeit played very well against the Jets, but that's a
different conversation. Worst defense in the league through four weeks,
statistically missing four starting offensive linemen. So I mean, Taylor,

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we can't find five linemen on a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
Of teams, let alone nine.

Speaker 9 (01:34:47):
So he went into that game with Terren Steele and
backup left tackle, left guard, center, right guard Tyler Smith
was the only other starting lineman in uniform. He did
not play a snack. He was like a merge and
see dealing with an injury. He went into that game
without Cede Lamb, four starting offensive lineman in the worst
defense in football, and it was thirty to three in

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the fourth quarter, and it ended up being like thirty
seven to twenty two, or it ended up getting some
garbage time points. The game was never in question. That's
pretty impressive. Yeah, and you know what he did against
Green Bay the week before where they tied in overtime,
Like what he did when coming back to win against
the Giants at home when they had to score forty

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to win, because Russell Wilson went off like he's done
it almost every single game.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
And everything around him has not been perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Yeah, just bringing up the offensive linement, were like, you
keep maybe nine guys on there, and so you're bringing
guys off of practice squad, plucking guys some other teams
as well, putting them in uniform. The week before me like, hey,
you guys got to figure it out in case you
have a situation where one of these other guys go down.
So they're there. It's a very fragile position. To be in,
especially in your quarterback to play well. I'm blown away

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by him. I'm very impressed by Schottenheimer up to this
point in the season because you're right, their defense, I mean,
statistically aren't bad. A lot of times people can say, well,
statistically they're bad, but x one ze, there's no butt,
like the Cowboys defense is actually just bad. You put
on the film and it seems not competitive at some points.
When you watch a Giants film and then you have
them go against the Packers, who are just studs, end up,

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you know, Dak plays them into a tie there. I
worry about the Cowboys because if Dak has an off day,
they will lose. That is just how it is going
to go for them, and that inevitably will happen through
the drag of this season, being you know, only the
second week of October.

Speaker 9 (01:36:41):
Yeah, you're not gonna score thirty seven a game, right right.
I think they came into the game averaging like twenty eight,
twenty nine something like that. They scored thirty seven, They
scored forty when they tie, they scored forty when they
tie up forty in Bay, So like, you're not really
the only game they didn't particularly score a lot of
points was the Chicago game. So the one thing I

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will say, yes, you're not going to score thirty plus
every single game. There will be some games where they're
gonna have to score in the low twenties. There might
be a game where they score seventeen that you know,
can they win those games? Probably at this point probably not.
I will say the defense was significantly better yesterday. I
think the more digs in Bland continue to get their

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legs under them.

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
Remember they're paying two.

Speaker 9 (01:37:25):
Big time former role pro both their corners paying top money.
Both have battled injuries. Lower body injuries takes the toll
at the cornerback position. Playing a lot more zone with
eber Flus, so they're not really playing to their strengths
in man coverage. They're starting to sprinkle in a little
bit more man.

Speaker 5 (01:37:40):
They lose Micah.

Speaker 9 (01:37:41):
Parsons, they lose de Marcus Lawrence, so you start looking
at some of the defensive transitions. They're not going to
be a top five defense, they're not going to be
a top ten defense. But can they be a middle
of the road average defense, And now, all of a sudden,
can they start winning games? Twenty four twenty one twenty
seven to twenty four. Yeah, I think that's probably the
most likely scenario, when Cede Lamb comes back and Camante

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Turpin comes back and they're not out for starting offensive
linemen and George Pickens is coming to life and Dak
and I mean Javonte Williams the running back is.

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
A stud like playing well, I just see their offense
getting healthier and getting better.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
That's fair, fair, very fair. Defense does have to have
to get a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Better more man because they they're at like ninety six
percent zone at one point. And you're right, like those
two corners do great in man coverage, Like why why
and you're not disguising.

Speaker 9 (01:38:35):
Well, it's just a bad allocation of resources, right, You're
paying two top tier corners granted coming off injury, which
I'm sure is part of Iberflus's plan of like, all right,
let's not expose them. Lands had the foot, obviously Diggs
has had a couple lower bodies back to back, so like,
I understand that. But we talked about this yesterday on
the broadcast, and like, here's the disconnect that a lot

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of teams have and their approach connecting their defense to
their offense. I'm gonna believe that I need to build
my defense to mirror the strengths of my offense. Right, So,
for years under McCarthy, with last year being the exception,
there were a thirty point offensive lead, you're leading the
league in points twenty two to twenty three around then,
I don't need to stop the run. I don't need

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a lot of big bodies. I need pass rushers and
I need defensive backs because we're gonna play nickel personnel
and we're going to play the pass virtually the entire game.
Because every time you try to run the ball at
me and I'm scoring thirty, I don't give a shit.
If you run for two hundred yards, You're not gonna
beat me, right, you can't. You're not going to have
enough possessions to score thirty a game unless I just

(01:39:36):
give it to you. Last year, Dak gets hurt, offense
goes to the bottom of the league, and all of
a sudden, the wards of the defense. Yes, Micah Parsons
is not nearly as effective if he's not rushing the passer,
and so on and so forth. The defensive backs are
not granted they were hurt, they're not nearly as impactful.
If you're not throwing the ball thirty five times a year,
game end of the game, you're trying to play catch

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up and you're throwing pick sixes to bland and digs.
So if they were built last year, the offense falls
apart and the defense gets exposed. They overcorrect on defense, right.
They're saying, we don't need Micael Parsons. We need to
get better at stopping the run. And now I ask
who cares how good you are stopping the run. If
your offense is going to score thirty a game, you
better defend the pass, you better rush the passer, and

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you better play defense in the back end, because that's
what teams are gonna have to do to chase your points.
So they're a little misaligned in their approach. If they
can get the defense rushing the passer like they did
yesterday more consistently, it will go a long way.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
And like you said, too, like sprinkling and playing more
mayn playing to the strengths of the corners that you
did pay because again, when their offense was high flying
and their defense was kind of complimenting them, they were
very good in the turnover category, creating takeaways, getting picks,
like you said Sacks, But yeah, you're right there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Everything you just said reminded me of the old Colts
of Peyton Manning, Like you have a defense that's built
to play against the pass, and you have Peyton man
who's gonna put up thirty thirty plus a game. And
so yeah, I fully agree.

Speaker 9 (01:41:02):
Yeah, So we're gonna sit in cover tune and Bob
Sanders is gonna run around the back end. And if
you want to run against our soft boxes all day
and you think you're gonna keep pace with Peyton Manning,
knock yourself out.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Yeah, go for it. Have fun with that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
And you know he doesn't get he gets for God.
But Pat Anger middle linebacker, undersize put his face on people.

Speaker 5 (01:41:21):
It's always about the linebackers exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Luke Eakley weld know about Pat Anger.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
Ravens.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Are we too far gone for the Ravens with how
many injuries they have? They have an abysmal loss this
past weekend. They're going to play the Rams this week?
Are we looking? Are we? Are we essentially having a
grave ceremony for the Ravens at this point in the season.

Speaker 5 (01:41:48):
We're certainly getting there.

Speaker 9 (01:41:51):
I didn't see any of the game, So I don't
know exactly how bad it was. Obviously I saw the
box score just contint during my game. We have like
a box in the in the in the booth that
just is like a tile of every game going on
across town, you know, across the league, and it just
the score just kept getting more and more out of control.
So I don't know exactly the context that I know

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Lamar threw a couple of picks and whatnot. But I
think big picture, a week or two ago, when the
world was coming to an end and they were the
topic of you know, are the Ravens done? The Ravens,
I kind of was like, pumped the brakes, they'll figure
it out. Their defense really struggled to start the year
last year, and they found their way down the stretch
and really got better. I just I think it's a

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combination of injuries. I think it's a combination of not
playing complimentary ball. I think they've got a lot going
on personnel wise. They're they're in trouble because to lose
what was it, forty to three?

Speaker 5 (01:42:51):
Is that the score?

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Yeah? No, no, life.

Speaker 9 (01:42:54):
It was something like that against Houston, who they'd been okay,
but they.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
A lot, uh, from the offensive side of the back.

Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
I was gonna say offensively, their defenses is very defensively,
it's just getting you know, CJ. Stroud, They that offense
has now started to show life. That's what everybody's kind
of been waiting on because Houston could be tough that
offense gets going, which they did.

Speaker 9 (01:43:20):
Did they score all forty against that against Baltimore? Was
it offense or were some of those turnovers defensive touchdowns? Again,
I didn't I didn't see the game itself. All off
how'd they score forty?

Speaker 11 (01:43:32):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:43:32):
Was it clean offense forty? Or did was it a
pick six? A fumbled?

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:43:37):
Do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
All offense?

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:43:41):
Stroud stat line was I think they had like four
touchdowns and like three or four field goals.

Speaker 5 (01:43:45):
Yeah, okay, yeah it was a clean it was a
clean forty.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Yeah, they handled them.

Speaker 5 (01:43:48):
That's hard to do in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Yeah, they handled them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
It's tough to see from the Ravens, and I think
they're also having an identity crisis on offensive what they
want to be because you know, Derek, in the first
three games the season, rights three three fourth quarter, three
fourth quarter turnovers, which is you know, very unlike Derek Henry.
But then you get to the fourth game of the
season and he has like eight rushes the entire day,
and then this game it seems like Hill is now
more the premiere back as Henry Win. If you're running

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with a backup quarterback and you're missing your left tackle
on Ronnie Stanley, why not put yourself in a bigger
personnel situations and run the ball Downhill, control the clock,
and you use that to your advantage because you have well.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
They tried to do. They tried to at first, but yeah,
but when you're down two scores, when you get down
two scores fast and they're stopping d Henny out of
the gate, that's where it's like, yeah, I see what
you mean. I think you need your starters on offense
to kind of get that identity through Derek through the
run game back a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
But yeah, they're they're in a very they're in a
very bad spot.

Speaker 9 (01:44:48):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
They have a lot of injuries on defense.

Speaker 9 (01:44:50):
Exactly well, what Will is saying is exactly the point, right,
that's the complimentary aspects. I think you know, it's it's
similar but the opposite of what we're just talking about.
With Dallas. You want to be a run heavy team.
With Lamar and Derek Henry and your scheme and whatnot,
you can be a run dominant team. But you better
not get into a bunch of shootouts. You better not
get into a bunch of playing from behind. Because the
only thing about the run game that keeps it in

(01:45:11):
line with the passing game is your ability to generate
explosive runs. Right, So, explosive runs are the biggest correlation
to scoring points. Rushing yards are irrelevant. Rushing yards unless
it's the fourth quarter with the lead and you're just
trying to convert fourth down first downs because you're playing
against the clock for the first three quarters of the game.
How many yards you rush for is completely irrelevant. What

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are your chunk run plays? Because those chunk run plays
have the effectiveness of a pass play. That's where the
conversation between run and pass needs to be had. It's
the correlation between yards per play and scoring points. So
all of a sudden, now you're giving up forty and
all of a sudden, your defense can't stop anybody. They
can't get off the field. Teams are converting and scoring

(01:45:55):
field goals or touchdowns on such a high percentage of drives.
Every time your offense get it's back out there, you
start asking yourself if I can't generate the explosives because
they're playing me in high shells and they're putting an
umbrella over the top. I'm not gonna five and six
yard run you to death and think I'm gonna score
forty points. It's just not gonna happen. That's the issue
for these teams. And it's like, oh, they got to

(01:46:16):
run the ball more. Sure, they got to run the
ball more, but you better not give up forty right, Yeah,
ain't gonna win.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
Right because that defense is absolutely struggling.

Speaker 5 (01:46:24):
What have you got? Go ahead, No, say that's that's
the It's never in an isolated one side of the
ball that the two sides complimenting each other is the
name of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Right Yeah, But just to push back a little bit,
like rush yards do matter in the sense of the
beginning of the game. You have to get to forty. Right,
So if you're early in the game, you're handling the
time of possession, you're running the ball, you're getting yourself
in thirty manageables, you're keeping your defense off the field.
So they're more fresh. You can keep games in closer,
tight in situations than getting blown out forty to three.

Speaker 9 (01:46:57):
Yeah, So again, is the object to not get blown
out or is the object to win.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Just to be in the game in the fourth quarter
when you're down right, but you need a defense.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
It's got to stop those bleed like they're getting gash
on the run.

Speaker 9 (01:47:10):
No, it's an interesting conversation about the run. Again, I'm
not I'm not an anti run guy. I believe quarterbacks
need to be under center. I believe that run game
under center. I think shotgun run in today's day and
age in the NFL is very hard. I think it's
hard on the lineman. I think under center play action
is the best time to throw. Like I'm an under
center NFL advocate, I think it's easier for the lineman.

(01:47:32):
I think it's easier for the quarterback. I think there's
more friendly throws. I think the run in the pass
game look the same. I think there's a lot of benefits.
I think that's why you're seeing so many of the
top offenses around the league do it. As far as
rush yards. If you tell me you rush for one
hundred and fifty yards, my first question is when did
those yards come? And how many rushes did you have?

(01:47:53):
If you rush for one hundred and fifty yards and
you ran the ball thirty five times on me, I
don't care. You probably didn't win unless I had two
p sixes and the game just got out of hand
and you just milk the lead in the second half.
Unique circumstances, But in just an offense versus offense, even
even possession game, take special teams pick six's punt returns,
those out those out of normal plays offense versus offense,

(01:48:18):
if you're not if you're not generating huge chunk plays
on the ground, the seventy yard Derek Henry runs, the
sixty yard Lamark Jackson scrambles and all that. If you're
just gonna run the ball at five yards a clip,
you can win the game. I'm not saying you can't,
but you're most likely not gonna win the game thirty
five to thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Yeah, that's true. But the only thing I'm saying is
if you're the Ravens and you're down this many guys
and you're you have six defensive starters out, in my mind,
it's like, hey, how do we get this hurt also
hurt offense to to help our defense out, and it's
keeping our defense off the field right, No, wear them
down over and over again. Get yourself in third and manageable.

(01:48:56):
Where the five yards of clip do we? Yeah, you're
not gonna The goal of that situation is not to
get the score the box score into the thirties for
both teams. It's to keep it in that you know,
twenty one to fourteen range showing you're the fourth quarter.
You're out man from a talent perspective, because you're out
your starters. You are now putting you in a position
to be like, hey, if a couple things go away,
we can win if we do have to throw the ball.

(01:49:17):
That's that's where I'm coming from.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
I'm a bigger one.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
I'm a bigger one in the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:49:20):
But it makes a ton of sense. I get it.

Speaker 9 (01:49:22):
I think the question becomes, are you confident enough that
you can go this slow it down methodical Probably ten
plays if you get the ball to minus thirty is
probably gonna take it eight to twelve plays to score.
In that type of approach, you better be eighty eighty
plus percent in the red zone. You better really be

(01:49:43):
willing to use fourth down and not settle for field goals. Like,
if you're going to commit to that style of game,
which which you're probably right, that's probably what Baltimore needs
to be right now to at least not get blown out.
But with that being said, you got to commit all
the way. There's no thirty four yard field goals on
fourth and four. You gotta go for it. If you're
gonna spend all that time methodically going down the field

(01:50:06):
and then it's just going to turn into a field
goal fest, you're probably not gonna lose forty to three.

Speaker 5 (01:50:11):
You're probably gonna lose thirty to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree, Like that is that better?

Speaker 9 (01:50:19):
Like if they lost today twenty eight thirteen, do they
feel better?

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Reybe Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:50:26):
I think their ego feels a little better. I don't
think they're any closer to being good.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
And more it's like off of that, it's like, once
you go down two scores, it's like, let's get the
lifeboats out there in the water.

Speaker 3 (01:50:38):
We gotta bail. We got to jump shit. Yeah yeah, yeah,
what we wanted to do. You kind of need to.

Speaker 9 (01:50:42):
I think the whole season looks different if they don't
blow those couple games early, right, like the Buffalo game.
That game's in the bag. You can't lose that game.
I think that was super deflating. What was the remind
me which game you mentioned it, Taylor? The fumble of
what was the other game they played?

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Detroit?

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
They the Lions?

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
Yeah, Lions pulled away from them.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
That's really it was.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
Chiefs pulled away from them, and there was one more
because they're one in four? Now, what is that game?

Speaker 5 (01:51:11):
Fumbled? Three?

Speaker 9 (01:51:11):
One?

Speaker 5 (01:51:12):
Was the Buffalo? Yeah, maybe it was Detroit? Was Detroit?

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
No, Detroit. Detroit was kind of Detroit was in control
of that game. Who else did they lose? Billy? Oh yeah, yeah,
that was it. It's Bill. It was Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
Bill's Detroit Chiefs and yeah he's.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Detroit Chiefs and Texans.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Really Yeah, they're they're they're in a tough spot.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Yeah they should they should have two wins.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Did you get to watch the game of Denver and
Philly at all?

Speaker 9 (01:51:38):
I saw the end on the box because he was
going on during ours, But so I saw I saw
the ending. I saw Philly took the lead. I saw
Denver took the lead, went for two. Yeah, to go
up by one, right yep. Then I saw they kicked
the field goal to go up four, but I didn't
see the final drive. Philly had the ball down four

(01:52:02):
at the end, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
And honestly, Philly, Philly was in position. They were hitting
some you know, chunk plays to get down there quick,
whether they could have a good Hell marry or not.
And then they had a pass there at the very
end where very much was a defensive pass interference call
that they that the referees.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Did not call.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
You never want to blame the refs. It's like, as
a team, you want to be in a better position anyway.
But it was a very spicy game at the end,
and I do think a very very failed job by
the referees not.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Calling that defensive PI. I don't know if you caught
that part.

Speaker 5 (01:52:31):
Was it on a it was?

Speaker 9 (01:52:32):
How how far I saw the clip it? But how
far was the hail Mary? How far was the pass
on that it was?

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
They would have been, you know, inside the town. Yeah,
you would have been inside the ten looking at a
final play. You would have looked at a final place.

Speaker 5 (01:52:45):
Where was the ball snapped from? What yard line?

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
A ball snap from like the forty their own forty seven,
I believe.

Speaker 5 (01:52:50):
So it was almost like a hail Mary just didn't
get it to the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
Right, wasn't it their own forty seven? Or maybe they
were in there, Maybe they.

Speaker 9 (01:52:56):
Were in the I would love to know in the
history of hail Mary's how many pass interferences have ever
been caught.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
But this wasn't a final play. This wasn't a hell
Mary final play. Like they were still trying to get
closer because they had maybe ten to thirteen seconds left
on the clock, so they were trying to get closer
so that they could have. Yeah, that way they could have,
because it was kind of to Goddard on the sideline
kind of goes back shoulder. DB's all over them, kind
of grabbing his pad. There's nothing they got called. So
then they did throw hell Mary, which, by the way,

(01:53:24):
they had a shot at that hell Mary. I think
if Devonte Smith and aj Brown aren't both having their
own frustrations on catching the ball, one of them just
lets the other one catch the ball and they win.
Because Aj they're kind of both going up for it,
AG's kind of tackling them as they're coming down. They
drop it. But yeah, man, they're just there. Seems there's
something happening in Philly because you look at it week.

(01:53:44):
You look at AJ's presser after the game, where it's
like AJ kind of had a double move to where
there was there could have been a shot for him
to catch the ball if he continues to stay, you know,
accelerating and running through the route. It seems like he
slowed up for a moment, so the ball looks like
it's overthrown. They're talking to him after the game, He's like,
I have to look at it more, but I think
it was just a miss, right, And it's it's there's

(01:54:07):
something there, Bro, There's just something happening, and you can't
quite put your finger on it, but there is something there.
Because again it's like, say, Quanti only had six carries
that game. They're trying to win through there a little
bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Yeah, they're hearing the noise of everybody's saying the twenty
ninth passing offense in the league. A. J. Brown's direct
quote was this, from my point of view, it was
just a miss. Now I saw the clip of the
double move, it did seem like AJ slowed down a
little bit. I did not watch AJ's pressure. I sat,
I came in here and they gave me this quote.
So I don't know what agent said before after that, but.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
You can it was the vibe of AJ. He didn't
want to you know, the media knowing AJ.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
Obviously he's frustrated, Obviously he wants the ball. He's a competitor,
that's all the things. But it just seems like the
Eagles are very fragile, regardless of what their record says
right now.

Speaker 9 (01:54:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think you know, it's so funny. You
would imagine that the teams that have had a ton
of success that everything's a little bit easier, right You'd
think their week days a practice are a little lighter
and they're a little less on eggshells versus, you know,
the teams that haven't gotten a win.

Speaker 5 (01:55:13):
You know, you're the Jets and you.

Speaker 9 (01:55:14):
Know the Titans looking for their first win and they
get it yesterday, And you would think that those teams
feel all the pressure, and that the teams that have
been to two Super Bowls have just won the most
recent Super Bowl and have been arguably the best team
you know, I have won before yesterday. What were they
like nineteen o the last twenty or twenty o their
last twenty one or something crazy like that. As far
as wins, it's actually funny in the NFL, like it

(01:55:36):
almost flips right, Like the more success you have, the
more scrutiny, the more people are trying to dissect every move.
You know, guys are looking to get theirs, you're losing coaches,
you're losing personnel, You're it almost becomes more difficult when
you've had that level of success. That's why you don't
see a lot of teams do what the Chiefs have done,
or what the Patriots did, or you know now what

(01:55:57):
the Eagles are trying to do. You just don't see
a lot of it in the NFL because the greatest
hindrance of future success is current success.

Speaker 5 (01:56:05):
You're you're over.

Speaker 9 (01:56:06):
You know, human nature is I've got I've had a
lot of success. I deserve more touches, I deserve a
better contract, I deserve these plays.

Speaker 5 (01:56:15):
I'm not getting mine.

Speaker 9 (01:56:16):
Like you're fighting that in the NFL every single day,
and it's hard, and I think they're getting a little
taste of it now. I think last year people didn't
think Philly would figure it out coming off the year
before when they fell apart into the season and then
they go on to win the Super Bowl. So I
think Sirianne shown he can galvanize the troops and kind

(01:56:38):
of keep things together. And I think there's a lot
of teams around the league that would love to say,
oh my god, Philly, what's their problem?

Speaker 5 (01:56:44):
And you look in their four and one. Yeah, so
you bring up a good time.

Speaker 9 (01:56:48):
Hugal Champ expectations. I don't think things are as bad.
Do I think they're perfect?

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:56:54):
Do I think there are four wins prior we're all great?

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:56:58):
Do I think things are as bad as maybe they're
being portrayed. I don't think I'm there yet.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
Yeah, I would agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
But you also bring up good points about the Chiefs
and the Patriots because whenever the noise would get loud,
whether it's around losses or trying to find these little
cracks in the foundation, it was such a team culture
that there weren't a whole lot of the stuff that
we're kind of seeing with the Philly receivers and Jalen
Hurts to where you're kind of watching this Phillies team,

(01:57:26):
or you're kind of watching this Philly team and thinking like, Okay,
they there's that opportunity of can you be this Chief's
Patriots type culture where everybody's kind of galvanizing around you
know that it's not as bad, or are you going
to kind of is the noise going to continue to
creep in the locker room enough for some of this

(01:57:48):
you know, selfishness to kind of expose the team?

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:57:53):
Yeah, I think it's a great point because what's funny
they remind me of a little bit of our Panthers
team that we had that year that you know, our
two year run there. We went to Super Bowl, we
went to some playoffs and had a good run. We
were we were I don't mean this as so, I
say this as a positive, Like we rode and depended
a lot off like emotion, right, there was a very

(01:58:14):
emotional team. There was a lot of energy, There was
a lot of there was a lot of personality. So
you look at so I kind of see a similar
situation with Philadelphia, and I think it works to their favor.
I think Sirianni is a highly you watch him on
the sideline, a lot of energy, a lot of emotion.
I think he wears it on his sleeve and and
I love him for it. I think Sirianni doesn't get

(01:58:35):
nearly enough credit the job that he's done with with
what they you know, the amount of turnover and coaches
and whatnot. But that's a separate conversation. I think personnel wise,
I think defensively, they got some very highly emotional guys.

Speaker 5 (01:58:48):
I think Jalen Carter.

Speaker 9 (01:58:49):
Is an absolute stud, loses his mind every once in
a while, personal fouls like I think that sort of
environment you when you're riding, it's a huge part of
their success. I think they ride that emotion. They play
so hard, they're physical, they're fast, they're young. I think
they've got a lot of guys that are, you know,
in their first couple of years in the league and

(01:59:09):
still figuring out like controlling their emotions and all that.
I think those new England teams and even now with
the Chiefs like a little older, a little bit more.
They don't ride the highs and the lows a little
bit mundane, little more boring press conferences. They don't really
give as much, like just a little bit of a
different style. And I think we've seen both styles work.

Speaker 5 (01:59:29):
I think.

Speaker 9 (01:59:31):
Right when things aren't perfect, sometimes that emotion can over
can kind of overflow and be seen differently. I think
when Sirianni's yelling at the stands and yelling and screaming
on the thing with Big Dom on the sideline and
they're winning super Bowls, it's like, man, I love that guy,
He's one of us. Yeah, But all of a sudden,
if it's in a game you lose, it's a distraction.
They're right, it's all viewed through the end result of

(01:59:53):
the game.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
Isn't that wild? How you It is exactly what you
just said. Like, when things are going well, it's like,
look how cool and unique they are with their energy.
But as soon as they it goes the opposite way.
It's like, what a distraction out here? It was us
with Cam, Yeah, I mean that that's very Cam is
probably the perfect example of that, where he's doing the
Superman thing. He's dabbing on Avery Williams same women they played.

(02:00:15):
The Titans pissed me off a lot, But it's like, ah, yeah,
they they're bawling out and they're showing it. And then
once it like kind of throws a couple of picks.
Maybe you know things aren't.

Speaker 7 (02:00:23):
Going to well?

Speaker 2 (02:00:24):
Are they gonna walk away from him? Everyone's like, yeah,
the guy's been a distraction the whole time. It's so
weird how the NFL, whether it's the media of the fans,
will just recency biased on everything, which is well, Cam
definitely got the shortness stick.

Speaker 9 (02:00:37):
Was everyone that you have to draw conclusion on it.
There has to be a there has to be a
cause and effect.

Speaker 3 (02:00:42):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (02:00:42):
Right, when you're winning, it didn't matter what his dance was,
it didn't matter what the coach did on the sideline,
it didn't matter how you ran out.

Speaker 5 (02:00:51):
Of the tunnel.

Speaker 6 (02:00:52):
You won.

Speaker 5 (02:00:53):
It was fun.

Speaker 9 (02:00:54):
But all of a sudden, if you're not winning, the
effect is you lost. The cause is you're not focused
on the game. You're not folcus. You're too worried about this,
or you're too worried about your dance, you're too worried
about pregam none.

Speaker 5 (02:01:07):
It's all meaningless, right, Like, it's all meaningless.

Speaker 9 (02:01:11):
And I think the reality is it's just we live
in that environment where there has to be a reaction
to every action and we have to draw conclusion good
or bad after every single game.

Speaker 5 (02:01:22):
And now the conclusion is going to be that the Eagles.

Speaker 9 (02:01:25):
Are in a free fall. They're four and one, there
are gonna be the best team in football. They lost
a close one yesterday and they're gonna be fine.

Speaker 3 (02:01:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:01:34):
Well, you talk, you talk about the steadiness of the
Chiefs and Patriots. I think now with the Eagles having
an opportunity to go whether it's back to back, kind
of have this this dynasty feel, we'll get to kind
of see if this energy, this highs and lows will
ultimately you know, win out in the marathon.

Speaker 6 (02:01:52):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:01:52):
Yeah, absolutely, because we know that the version of the
Chiefs and Patriots that we saw whenever press conferences do
get boring, they find way to kind of handle the distractions.
We'll get to kind of see that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
I guess with the it'll be chea for the Chiefs
today too. I mean it's Monday right now. They're playing
the Jags on Monday.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
Who you got, who you got Monday Night football? Jags Chiefs?
Because I like the Jags right here, Greggie, I'm telling
you right now, I like the Jags that can run
the football takeaways.

Speaker 5 (02:02:21):
I'll tell you I don't disagree.

Speaker 9 (02:02:24):
I'll tell you that that's a really if you would
have said when that schedule came out, if you would
have said, hey, Monday Night football is Jags Chiefs can't
wait for that game.

Speaker 5 (02:02:31):
You'd be like, you're on drugs in what world. I'll
tell you what. I give a lot of credit.

Speaker 9 (02:02:36):
I think Liam Cohen's done a nice job Trum Lawrence
playing ball. You know, big win, big controversy at the
end of that San Francisco game, Liam Cohen going after
h Robert Sala Sala saying he's complimenting the science. I'm
still not exactly sure what the whole point was of
that whole situation. I don't know if you guys probably

(02:02:56):
spend more time looking at it than I did. But
like he was saying, it was a compliment to steal,
I don't know exact rhyme a reason, but like Liam
Cohens say what you want, didn't get off to a
great start with the press conference to do vall and
tell you what, man, he's got Jacksonville significantly more relevant
at least through four weeks, than they've been a long time,
and I think he deserves a lot of credit. The

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game tonight looks significantly different than it did four weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
Best part about this this week is it's like it's
a true measuring site where both teams are at are
the Chiefs after what they did against the Wavens because
is that a bad defense? Or is that the Chiefs
are back as they got XA if you're worthy and
the Jags who have been living in the shadows and
it was all Houston. But now we're looking at the
Colts being like, that's the team for the AFC South.

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
Are they gonna that's yeah, that's the exciting part about
all right, and the Chargers losing twenty seven to ten
against Washington, right, it's like, oh, the Chargers are kind
of tea the team to beat in the AFC West.
You see what Denver did out in Philadelphia. Chargers lose,
Chiefs are now in that spot where this is. This
is like a gut to have a game. And it's
still even if you look at Jacksonville, it's kind of

(02:04:00):
a you you gotta have because Houston's coming along now.
Colts are obviously seen as a very good football's.

Speaker 2 (02:04:06):
Got their first win, so they could get spicy Augusta. Okay,
we I know we kind of brushed over Jackson Chiefs,
but I am going to move on.

Speaker 3 (02:04:15):
And who does he like just what we can move.

Speaker 5 (02:04:19):
I will never bet against Mahomes and Andy.

Speaker 2 (02:04:22):
Reid minus three on the same way.

Speaker 5 (02:04:24):
All right, I mean literally.

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
Against them being in your position? Can you bet? Are
you allowed to better?

Speaker 3 (02:04:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:04:32):
I've never You want to hear I got one good
betting story. You want to hear it?

Speaker 2 (02:04:35):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 9 (02:04:36):
I've bet one sporting event in my entire life. I
was on spring break, we were in the Bahamas, and
I went into the sports book and it was March
Madness girls and you know, the men's and women's, and
I was like, I've never done a parlay before. So
like I'm literally that guy who's standing at the sports
book and I'm looking and I'm like, all right, I'm

(02:04:58):
gonna do like a really elaborate parlay for like hundred dollars.
Well best it was, So I'm betting men's games, women's games,
and I think it was like a six game parlay,
four men's two women's. But it was the opening round,
so it was like, no, it was it was the
opening round for the women. So however that aligns with

(02:05:19):
the men's I'm not exactly sure, but anyway, I picked
my six games. But now I'm like vested in like
Creighton versus UNC Wilmington right, like you're watching games that
you don't even know what's going on. You're praying that
guys miss free throws. It's a very wild experience that
I had never done before. So long story short, I get,
I'm I'm five for five. It was like one hundred

(02:05:41):
dollars parlay. I was gonna win a couple thousand bucks.
I get to the last game and I picked Yukon
women or one of the one seeds. It was like
Yukon women. The spread was like fifty eight points are stupid,
and I'm like, they're going to cover. I'm now watching

(02:06:03):
a blowout of epic proportions between the one and a
sixteen and the women's March Madness Tournament.

Speaker 5 (02:06:10):
It might not have been in Yukon.

Speaker 9 (02:06:11):
It was one of the top seeds, South Carolina or
whoever it was.

Speaker 3 (02:06:14):
Yeah, and I'm down.

Speaker 9 (02:06:16):
It's down to like the final possessions and the spread
was like fifty eight and a half and it's like
fifty six, fifty five, fifty eight, we're missing free throws.

Speaker 5 (02:06:24):
I'm like foul.

Speaker 9 (02:06:27):
I'm like yelling in this restaurant in the hotel, and
I think they ended up winning by like fifty five
and I didn't cover, and I like went to bed
beside myself, and my wife's.

Speaker 5 (02:06:39):
Like, are you kidding me right now?

Speaker 9 (02:06:41):
Like you're yelling at the TV and the third string
Yukon Girls or whoever it was, is up sixty on
a school you've never heard of before.

Speaker 5 (02:06:52):
I'm like, you're right, yeah, you lost.

Speaker 3 (02:06:56):
It was not one hundred. The problem, like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:03):
With you, that's every single week, and honestly, as much
parlays as we bet, we hope to be in your
position where you've hit five out of six and that
six one you're like, please for the love of God,
and you're right now.

Speaker 9 (02:07:14):
Women's yeah, I'm yelling at the point guard from Missouri
Tech because she missed two back to back, one and one.
She missed the front end of a one on one
with eighteen seconds left.

Speaker 2 (02:07:27):
Yeah, Doug, I feel that more than you, you know.
And also, if you're telling the story exactly like your
wife said, they're beating them by sixty, that's a good
point to be like, honey, if they beat them by sixty,
I would have hit so I'm talking about so yeah,
and I would have just gave you the money. I
just want to win the game. That's all I want
to do. You probably didn't watch it. It was around

(02:07:49):
the same time that you were calling the game. But
the Titans did beat the Cardinals. And the way the
Titans beat the Cardinals, I don't think I've ever seen
anything like that in my entire life. Never apologize, right in,
Never apologize for a win, Never apologize for a win.
But dropping the ball? When are we going to as
a coaching staff, for as a franchise, find guys their

(02:08:10):
entire salary for dropping the ball at the at the
one yard line? When when you wear like a forty
yard touchdown, I mean, at some point it's at a hand.

Speaker 5 (02:08:20):
It's officially like an epidemic.

Speaker 2 (02:08:21):
Yeah, it's worse than COVID.

Speaker 5 (02:08:24):
I feel like i've.

Speaker 9 (02:08:27):
Nice maybe too soon, I saw never too soon, you know,
we see it. I feel like I've seen it more
in college. Seeing it in the NFL is even more jarring.
That you're six inches, maybe not even three inches from
being up twenty eight to six in the fourth quarter

(02:08:49):
against who at the time was in the conversation of
no offense, Taylor in the conversation of the worst.

Speaker 2 (02:08:53):
Team in the league, none taking and the game completely flips.

Speaker 9 (02:08:58):
You go from being up twenty eight to six, a
touchback twenty one six, they get it to twenty one twelve,
then you throw You then intercept the ball to proceed
to fumble it and have the ball kicked forward into
the end zone. Like the sequence of events that happened
for them to blow a twenty one six lead. It's

(02:09:19):
I made this joke this morning on Portnoy's show. I
was like, that's one of those where like if those
plays happen in Madden, you're smashing your.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
Controller against the wall absolutely, you know, like.

Speaker 9 (02:09:28):
You're just like this is such bullshit, like this would
never happen in a real game. And then you're like, Okay,
I guess it does, you know what I mean? Like,
it's I don't know how you get up this morning.
If you're Arizona and go into.

Speaker 5 (02:09:40):
The role, that's gonna be a tough one to get past.

Speaker 1 (02:09:43):
My old man, I know, is beside himself when he
was watching that, because he'd always teached me growing up.
He tell me to watch Walter Payton, Barry Sanders. You
run the ball into the end zone, you go hand
it to the referee.

Speaker 2 (02:09:54):
If yeah, if you if you're the Cardinals, Like your
first meeting today is you one? You put Forrest Gump
on and you watch Forst Gump's kick return against Alabama.
How he just holds the ball high and tie all
the way up through the tunnel. Yeah, and they like,
this is how we score touchdowns From now on, I
want guys to elaborately run through the end zone holding

(02:10:15):
the ball the entire time, because it is I don't
know if it's coming back from that. I don't know
if you can come back from it.

Speaker 9 (02:10:20):
It's all tied into the celebrations. Yeah, guys spend a
ton of time nowadays. And again I'm old school and
I'm boring, and I get it. Guys spend so much
time now during the week thinking through their celebrations that
they are so anxious when they're about to score because
their mind originally turns to like what I have planned that,

(02:10:43):
Like we can't even finish scoring the touchdown yet.

Speaker 2 (02:10:46):
Yeah, it's disgusting.

Speaker 5 (02:10:49):
Listen, you're never gonna get guys to stop doing that.

Speaker 9 (02:10:50):
I know it's the NFL and like it's a different
generation than like what we all grew up playing.

Speaker 5 (02:10:55):
So I respect that. I get it.

Speaker 9 (02:10:57):
But like man, the second that stuff starts literally altering
the outcome of the games. As the coach, if you're
Jonathan Gannon, if you're any coach in the league, your
first eight am meeting on Wednesday, before you get into anything,
players of the game, recap, highlights, whatever, your Monday Wednesday
morning meeting is to start the new week.

Speaker 5 (02:11:17):
If you don't flat out lay.

Speaker 9 (02:11:19):
Down an ultimatum of like how we are going to
act scoring touchdowns and we are this is never going
to be our team doing this, that's a huge mistake.
It needs to be addressed daily because that's just unacceptable
in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (02:11:33):
Yeah, that's bad. I know we have to get you
out of here. We've kept you way too long. It's
almost inappropriate. But I do want to just touch this
real quick touch on Patriots Bills. Patriots were what eight
and a half dogs? Eight and a half point dogs.
We talked about on ESPN.

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
How a couple of us said, sitting here called it
a couple of us did a couple of us talked
about it.

Speaker 5 (02:11:56):
A humble brag there. Taylor like, Hey, when we were
on ESPN, I.

Speaker 2 (02:11:59):
Don't know if you guys know now I'm glad you
caught that a.

Speaker 5 (02:12:01):
Really nice humble brag.

Speaker 2 (02:12:03):
But I don't know if I don't know if you're
up between you know, eight and ten Eastern on Thursday mornings.
But you can catch the boys on ESPN if you like.

Speaker 5 (02:12:09):
Oh, trust me boys, the Boys.

Speaker 2 (02:12:11):
I got it all right.

Speaker 5 (02:12:13):
I see the guys up there sitting at the desk
with all the big swinging dicks.

Speaker 2 (02:12:16):
I see, yeah, yeah, hell yeah, Olofsky, Greeney, the whole thing.
But we did say Mike Rabel does a great job
of breaking down quarterbacks their tendencies and all that. They
get a couple of turnovers, a couple of things go
their way. They took advantage of bad football. Drake May
had us coming out part of the rest of league.
Every you know, the Colin Cowards, all the main guys
are like, Drake May need's a couple more years. It

(02:12:37):
seems like this is the game that we're like, oh,
Drake May's here now, like it's he's going to be
a quarterback that and you know we're gonna be talking
about is this guy generational talent?

Speaker 9 (02:12:48):
Oh? I think he's a generational talent now, whether or
not he's going to be a generational superstar with Super
Bowls and all that. I don't think anybody could pretend
to know. But from a talent standpoint, he is exactly
what you want your modern day NFL quarterback to be.
He's a pocket quarterback who can run, will run both
designed and scramble, run and scramble pass. He's incredibly smart

(02:13:11):
and tough. That throw he made to Stefan Diggs, scramble
to his right on the run, guy in his face
puts the ball on the white Stefan Diggs obviously does
a great job dragging his feet, going down, hands, catch
through contact. The degree of difficulty of that throw. If
that ball's thrown two feet out in front, he's out
of bounds. If that ball's thrown two feet behind him,

(02:13:32):
it's a PBu for him to put that ball on
the front shoulder pad only where Stefan can catch it
low and away on the sideline to set up a touchdown.
Those plays, there's like three guys in the league maybe
that can make those throws. So I think from a talent,
from a mentality, from an approach, he's very mature.

Speaker 5 (02:13:50):
He grew up in Charlotte. I've watched him play high
school basketball. I watched him.

Speaker 9 (02:13:54):
He went to a public high school ten minutes up
the road from my house. He's been a stud of
a kid, and the repute in his reputation about just
who he is and the way he carries himself and
his maturity on top of just his physical skill set
has been well documented since he was young. Went to
North Carolina. Probably didn't get the love in the college

(02:14:16):
football scene. If he played at Ohio State, or he
played at Texas or he played somewhere else, probably would
have been a more buzzed about player, but obviously drafted
where he was. He's a flat out stud. Huge win
for Vabel. I still think Buffalo is good, but uh, listen,
it was the perfect storm. Your quarterback played his ass off.

(02:14:36):
The Bills made a couple of mistakes to keep you
in the game. You needed to keep it somewhat load
in the middle of the road scoring and they found
a way at the end. You make a long kick
like that's the recipe to pull off upsets. Every box
they checked, and Drake may is probably the biggest box because.

Speaker 5 (02:14:52):
He was incredible.

Speaker 1 (02:14:53):
Yeah, Greg, you were the man, bro. Thank you for
thank you for taking your time.

Speaker 3 (02:14:57):
Bro. Yeah, we're hanging with the boys.

Speaker 5 (02:14:59):
I could talk with you guys all day here hanging
with the boys. I just wish I was in the bus, I.

Speaker 1 (02:15:04):
Cause I got to see the whole vlog stuff, collabing
on posts with Bus and so all of it was
kind of coming across my timeline. I absolutely love it.
I eat it up. I love when it's like you
needed all your boys that look at you. You're like,
look at me, like look at all your teammates, like
we need I need all of your best on this play.
I am obsessed with it. I love it. Bro keep

(02:15:24):
having fun and doing what you're doing. You seem like
a grinder, having a travel everywhere, call games, you're doing shows.
You're trying to coach an undefeated football team right now.
But you're the man, and thank you for taking your time.

Speaker 2 (02:15:34):
Bus and Productions will be will be giving you a
call very soon.

Speaker 3 (02:15:38):
Make that happen. Yeah, we got you.

Speaker 2 (02:15:43):
Go on bet Robert plus Greg as he.

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