Luke Kuechly Opens Up About Why He Walked Away & His Football Obsession + NFL Votes To Ban Tush Push

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Some would say the CEO of how in the hell
did he play in the league for that long? Alongside
me as always is the boy Taylor Lawan, built like
a Greek god, brain of a toddler, but God, we
love him. We are the boys. On today's episode, we
get in a little bit of March madness talk. At
the top, we talked about how fried our brackets are,
how our brackets have basically just taken a beating by
a torpedo bat. Speaking of torpedo bets, we also dive

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into the torpedo bat conversation in baseball, and we also
sprinkle in a little bit of NFL talk because the
coach's picture came out. We throw a couple of fun
jabs at Vaibel. We talk about his fit. We also
talk about the tush push rule that is being decided
today as you watch this episode. Then the main event,
a two and a half hour conversation I believe is
a two and a half hours Mitch with Luke Keighley,

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your boy as a linebacker. I aspired. I aspire to
be a poor man's Luke Keighley. This conversation, this is
the smartest, scariest and most respectful psycho path to potentially
maybe walk on the football field on the defensive side.
We get a deep dive into how incredible he was.
He's like a Hollywood director watching film. That's how much

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film do you watch? We dive into the mind of
Luke Keighley, what got him out of the league with
concussions and we talk about his post football life. This
conversation is everything you want. This is football porn with
Luke Keighley. Wherever you're at, buckle up. This is a
banger episode. Whether you're in the gym, you're in it
right now, you're sitting in a meeting and you have
it one AirPod in trying to listen to the boys
talk while your boss talks. Wherever you are dial it in.

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This is a fun episode. Big hugs, tiny kisses. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
All right, We're good.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
You like go.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Busting with the boys, hanging with the face, betting on
a game. No woman's gonna tell us what knop be.

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We're here just drinking beer and making a n baby,
I'm hanging with the Fellers. He's busting with the boys.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Bro, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Bus
with the Boys. It is episode code three hundred and
twenty two. We have a massive guest, the greatest white linebacker,
maybe the second greatest white linebacker ever walked this entire earth.
As always, we are presented by the wonderful and powerful FanDuel.
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FanDuel is America's number one sportsbook. We did a couple
of parlays this week Thursday and Friday. Thursday plus six
hundred odds. What happens? Will Danger hit it? Banger bee hepatitis?
See you later Friday. Optimism you're feeling is good. This
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two days. First day, bets go well. Second day we're like,

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it's gonna go great, He's gonna go amazing.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Plus six hundred banger. We had ready locked in.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Load plus six hundred banger. We had Michigan in there.
We had a couple overs in there. Guess what, not
one of them hit. But if you were on that
Thursday parlay, you might have made yourself a little bit
of coin.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I want to say too. It was like the first
over under one. I think it was like over a
half m h and some body want it. It might
have been Michigan State, maybe it was I can't remember.
But they won seventy three to seventy. Oh god, Arkansas,
Kansas seventy three to seventy.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
That is sickening. And how does Vegas know. I just
don't understand.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
I don't say we keep we keep the lights on
for him.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
We're gonna sandwich this whole thing with positive negative positive.
My futures parlay that. A couple of people thought I
was jinxing. Hey, hey, let's get that around them. Pause
real quickly, what do you mean? Hey? Oh, hang on
the way, who thought you were Jens? Fucking you? Get
one of those that's showing in there. I didn't know
shit about basketball. I didn't know nothing about basketball. I said,
let me just put my net on the floor right here,

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let me flop this thing on here, and guess what happened.
We knocked it out of the park. And that is
what a feeling? What a feeling? You know nothing? And
just go How about these four? Hey, I heard Houston's
pretty good. I'll put them in the Elite eight. Hey,
Florida's pretty good.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Eight?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Sure, this is the phrase I keep hearing in my head.
No one's gonna be surprised if Michigan makes it the
Sweet sixteen. Let's plopped them in there right there, and
then your boys in Arizona. Boy, So what are we
gonna do. We're gonna put them in this Sweet sixteen
as well. Yes, all of them hit, Yes, all of
them head.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Thankfully, thankfully, because you were on pace to jinx it.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Fortunately, I threw a little prayer for you. I appreciate that. Yes,
I appreciate that. There was talking about chickens hatching eggs.
He's just trying to He's trying to do the same thing.
I understand. Get let's not get ahead of ourselves. That's all.
It's all in the brain of looking out for your boy.
I love it, and I actually appreciate you guys doing
that because it allowed me and sure him to cook
up a nice little video that I truly enjoyed. I
enjoyed making that sing on the train tracks, you me

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and Jared Shirtless. Jared was filming that also, shirtless. Right
guy pulled up on us right after, right after we finished.
He goes hey, we're just three pasty white guys sitting
by train tracks. He goes hey, don't do that again, Yes, sir, Yes, sir.
We got a light pile back into my truck, just
one bench seat. We just gotta pull off out of there.

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But it was fun to make. It was fun to do.
It's nice to have those things happen. Home Run Parlays.
We had a nice little one Friday didn't even get close,
did Was.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
It plus one hundred and ninety three thousand, ninety three
million million million? Yeah, one hundred and ninety eight million odds.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
So we learned a couple of things about fans since yeah,
he won fifty one cents to win nine hundred and
I think ninety six thousand dollars. Yeah, And so we
we get in the office foot Friday morning, we're kind
of hanging out and well, right.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Now because the home run Jackpop parlay, like everybody was
hitting dingers when open.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, everyone, especially the Yankees. Yeah, going nuts. Yah, those
torpedo bats, which I kind of love. We'll get to
that in a minute. But Saran put together no Coop
comes over to me and goes, my boys who love baseball.
These are the three right here, and it was like
plus eight hundred or plus one thousand odds, And I
just was like, yeah, I mean, your boy say it,
I'm gonna bet it. So I bet it. Then Shearon goes,
I think I'm gonna get a little crazy. He puts

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nine lakes together with you know, a number that I've
never seen before my entire life. Go to put in
like a hundred bucks, Yeah, to pass we win one hundred.
Was walking around.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
He was walking around with the FanDuel AAP and he
just hand you the phone and say, pick a guy
in this game.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, this is where for me in the past. Yeah,
And I find out on Fandle the max bet you
can win a million dollars. So it all we all
had to bet, like I think the max was fifty
six cents on that. Jared had a great little idea,
bet at four or five times and then you can
start cashing out periodically. But I told him, I was like,
I think I'm pretty sure like that would get flagged something,

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something would happen with that. But I but I fell.
I did the same thing. I got. I bet like
four or five times. I'm kind of hyped up. I
go look at I go home. I literally tell my wife, sweetie,
we're gonna win a million dollars today. There's an opportunity
for us to win a million. She goes, how much
did you bet you? Two quarters and six cents. That's
what I did. And at the first leg, nope, second

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leg Nopecause we were.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
One one hit, right, a few of these will hit
and we'll cash out.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, yeah, get up to a couple of thousand, Yeah,
a couple of thousand. Kind of just pop that thing
in there, no problem. But I think that's the thing
we should do Fridays Ungodly parlays put fifty cents on
it is eventually you keep swinging, right, it's baseball keeps
we eventually you make contact. Fifty cent Friday. I like it.
We might have to.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
We might have to start looking at the few cats
on the Yankees because they've just been going yard.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
There's a video that came out. There's this guy sitting
in like right field. Yankees fans get the Yankee shirt
on Yankee hat and he goes. I had a dream
last night that the top three and the first inning
all hit home runs, and it shows him reacting to
all three guys hitting home was like, the first six
guys right, so are just going off? Wait? Wait all
of that at home runs? Home runs in a row? No,
I don't think it was in a row, but I

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think the first three guys hit home runs right back
to back to back home runs because these vortex bats,
which I kind of love. The torpedoes.

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four six seven three sixty nine in.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
New York, and again maybe use that home run token.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Your best bet would be with with a cap from
the Yankee Aaron Judge.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean, he's just hitting bombs amazing.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
What was I think I saw a stat that was like,
he's hit he's on pace to hit over three hundred
home runs right now in a season, and he's hit
how many home runs and like like five home runs
and seven at bats or something like that.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
At one point yesterday it was four home runs at
nine at bats.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
In nine at bats. I mean, the dude is just
going yard. Yes, and you learn about this, what is
it some mit guy, some cat that they hired a
new moneyball We need to get another Moneyball movie. In
the words, get Brad Pitt back in there, do it
over this mit guy averaging.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Five forty five That is incredible. Yeah, with four home runs,
four home runs already two games in crazy Yeah, helping
his boys out of there.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
So what does anybody We don't have coup on the bus.
So it sounds like they're taking some wood near the
handle and they're putting it around the street spot.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
My understanding of the bat thing is that it has
to be a certain weight, and so there's distributing more
weight from the handle through the barrel of the bat,
essentially giving us all our Little League board text bats back. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
But if you look at the shape the to like
how it like builds up and then goes back down
the end of it's like the same size.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Of a normal bat.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
But they're like just compressing the amount of wood that's
in that one sweet spot.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
So if it hits, it's called juice in that one
spot of the bat. Juice in it.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
And if you miss it, like by a little bit,
like you'll still hit a good ball. But basically their
their focus is on this one spot of impact and
you should have success.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's insane to me that that is legal legal, But
I will say this, I personally enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah. I think let's just hit home runs. Right? Is
there anybody is anybody on this bus?

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Let guys take steroids, Let guys juice the bat and
let it.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Would you imagine TRT with this bat? Yeah, it'd be
it'd be insane. Everyone always talks about baseball. I don't
follow a whole lot of baseball. But they're like bringing
back to Mark McGuire, the Sabososa earrow of of the steroids.
Everyone was just hitting all the time and always like
tuning in to be like, this guy's gonna hit one.
I know, chasing records every year, chasing records every single year.
And now you bringing this bat without the needle. It's

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like you're kind of getting what you're asking for. Everyone's
kind of getting back to whatever that timeframe was.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
And one, I don't know why it took so long,
because clearly it's allowed.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
By the rules, isn't.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
They're insane, right, And if you're a team, how have
you not already chased that edge for it? And then now,
if you're a team and you're seeing the Yankees, why
wouldn't you immediately hire a staff and create these bats
for your team like.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
The next like this week?

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Right, every team should have these fucking vortex these torpedo bats.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Me and my boys are saying the Yankees should just
somehow trademark.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
It, make sure no one else can no one else
can do it. That's when it gets canceled.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
That is when it gets canceled. But at least for
this first like month of baseball. She'd be like, oh,
you didn't read this.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Fine print right there, you stop production.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
We'll actually take those yo.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Show was one hundred million dollars now for even trying.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
So did you compare to think? It's nuts how that
loophole was found. I'm making this.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I want to see the first guy on the other
team that noticed that bat, that the first up at
bat that got hold in the bat, and like, I
don't can they do that?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
I don't think I knew that teams made their own bats. Yeah,
I just thought it was Louisville sluggers.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Althought we all just go to Dick' Sporting Goods in
the corner and be like, all right, yeah, we'll get
an MLB baseball bat. It's not how it works at all. Yeah,
amount of money that's in baseball, especially moneyball, you see
all everyone's always trying to find that one percent. How
is this happening now when I.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Took this long and the fact that that's that's even allowed,
It's like, yeah, what was the hold up?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah? And I want to know.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I would love to know how that conversation went down
where this MIT guy sparked this idea.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I have an idea slower, stands up nervous. That is crazy,
makes makes baseball more exciting.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
People on Twitter like making it bigger each like, yeah,
so funny it is.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Uh, that's kind of dope. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
The size of Aaron Judge using the bat is just
that's unfair.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, six seven, When is he two sixty? He's enormous.
He's a unit. Yeah, it's like me on the woftball field. Hey,
wolftball is a different game. Now you see those some
of those cats out there pitching the way they do
just crazy. Yeah, Baseball's Baseball's getting interesting again.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Now that's getting interesting now that we're down to the
final four. Who are you guys? I mean, it's just this.
It feels like a no brainer. Duke, Right, I'm Duke.

Speaker 8 (14:31):
I have floida in my bracket, but I think Duke's
gonna pull it off.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
They look incredible, man, they look incredible. They just operate too.
It's like I saw to where they're the highest scoring
like Duke team on points per game in the tournament
that of all time.

Speaker 9 (14:48):
It's impressious.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
You know, it's hard to uh forba M to have
a showing like that against a team like Duke. You
want to at least, you know, you think you slow
momentum down a little bit with Cooper Flag. But they
have guys everywhere. Their center is insane. Uh yeah, seven
what's his name, kanneplek Nipple something. He's lights out, Proctor's

(15:12):
lights out. I think he's the most underrated guy on
their team. But to have a night like Bama did
on Thursday too, then that was just highs and lows in.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
The truest form.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I mean, Tennessee was struggling too, Jack, How is your mental?
How is your mental yesterday? Watching that game?

Speaker 8 (15:31):
I mean, you know, well, I don't know where we're
gonna go with this. Tennessee got their assh Well, they
played horrible. They were over fourteen from three, they were
two for twenty two or two for twenty three from
field goals in like the first thirteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
It was horrible. And then Houston was playing lights out too.

Speaker 8 (15:51):
So I was just happy that we put hands on
Kentucky on Friday night.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
That's a big one, That's all.

Speaker 8 (15:57):
I mean, Like it makes how horrible the performance was
yesterday feel a little better, but yeah, you know, just
what happens, man, You play so many games in the
span of three weeks that if you don't play lights
out the whole time, you're gonna get got in Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Got got.

Speaker 8 (16:15):
But to any of the Kentucky fans out there, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Sorry that the last laugh, didn't you just Kenty fan.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
I think what's cool about this Final four is that
it's two og coaches versus two young coaches. But the
style of basketball is very similar, you know, amongst everyone.
And for John Shire, if they win, he could be
the first ever guy to win as a player at
his school and as a coach at his school. And

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he's extremely young. And I don't know if y'all heard
Pat BEV talking about him or if y'all remember watching
John Shire playing. He was a dog in college, set
records in high school. And I can't remember if he
was from Ohio. He's from Illinois. Luke Canard is from
Ohio broke Lebron's record. But John Shire was like the
guy in Chicago. Pat Bev's talking about him, like, man,

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this dude. He would pull up to any gym. Everybody
feared him. And this is in inner city Chicago. John
Shire pulls up, They're all like we don't want any
part of it. And the only reason he stopped playing
in the NBA was because he got poked in his
eye and he's legally blind in one of his eyes.
No shit, Yeah, so he is. He was. He was
such a beast watch and he was like peak college

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basketball fandom when we're I think they won twenty ten,
so we're like freshmen in high school talking at the
lunch table. Yeah, so it's cool to see him in
the in the championship.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
I don't know who beats him. I mean, I guess,
you know, an it's anybody's game. But just watching Duke
far thus far, like they just seem to be operating
at a different level when they're on the floor.

Speaker 6 (17:50):
Yeah, Houston could. I mean the fact that they're the
team with the lowest turnover rate in the country. You
always have a chance with that, But Duke, they just
get easy buckets. Every other team, I feel like has
to get hard buckets, and every single one of Duke's
baskets on Alabama seemed like it was wide open. But yeah,

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Gary Nelson cat is.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
An update on our brackets. Well, I learned in the
pre production, meaning that Garrett is now the leader in
the clubhouse with our brackets throughout? Was it ninety nine percent?
Oh yeah, one seed, one seed?

Speaker 6 (18:24):
None of this bullshit.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Gosh, I saw the board, the.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Percentile, Yeah, I mean top three. I had to take
my guys out for, you know, the betterment of the brackets.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, you understood, you understood, You understood better than I did.
I got a little too generous with the Michigan. But
the futures hit, futures hit, though, we put when we
need him in that futures bet.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
I do think the best matchup is Florida Duke, just
because Florida has bigs that can try and guard Duke.
Florida's got a point guard that's like out and Duke
is proven that they're.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
And do you have Duke in Florida in your final two?

Speaker 3 (19:05):
I do so I'm a little biased.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, because I got Houston and Florida in my
final two. I wonder if I can catch you.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
Garrett is ranked in the top ten thousand brackets.

Speaker 10 (19:13):
No, yes, let's gone, God bless why one seeds?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, this weekend, I just see JP tweeted about next year.
I'm only going, Well, you're auto drafting, bro, you thought
every upset in the world was gonna happen, didn't you.
It's march.

Speaker 6 (19:34):
It's march man. That's how it used to be, and
that's how you used to get paid. Yeah more, but
now I just hold on to it and yeah, I
mean there was only one upset in the first round.
Obviously we're in the Elite eight. It was all ones
and twos except for one three seed. Yeah, so it's

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tough year, but there's always next year for the Yeah,
but it seems like they.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Laid it out forty recommnd us.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
I hope as far as upsets go, the quality of
basketball is very good.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
But I don't know, do you guys watch the Michigan
Auburn game at all? I mean, it was like there
was quality basketball going on, but there was a five
minutes span in that second half where it was just
turnover after turnover, everyone just running down to the other
side of the court, losing the ball and someone grabbing
and then losing the ball on the other side.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
Well, the ball in this tournament, there was a lot
of complaints in the beginning that it's like overinflated, so
a lot of guys were having trouble ball handling it
over inflated.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, a little opposite of Tom Brady to flate gate, right,
something going on? Okay, all right, Auburn.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
All connected, tom Brady, Michigan over inflated.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Let's see what's going on here. Michigan always a common
denominator in those things. When during the SEC Tournament he
said he went to the game and he saw Florida
and Alabama, and Florida just wiped the floor of Alabama's
the point where She's like, I just got to sit here. Oh,
I'll get to a point here. He's like, I gotta
sit here and basically just watch great basketball take place.
And so when I'm watching the Michigan Auburn game, like
Michigan's down by one at the end of the first half,

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and the second half they go up seven, I'm thinking,
holy shit, the boys are gonna do. My bracket's looking fantastic.
And then Auburn, this center goes crazy, and then zero
this freshman starts going nuts, like just basically closing his
eyes and throwing the ball in the air. It goes
in every single time to the point where they just
started to run away with it. And I thought I
was in the same position. I thought about you, and

(21:31):
I was like, this is I just got to watch
Auburn do incredible things right now because they were not missing.
There's nothing Michigan could do this.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I'm alled JP say his two cents about the center,
but Oliver like him.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
He is a little demonstrative with his hand gestures. He
loves to be seen. I don't like that.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Zero Pettiford's nice. Auburn's still ass fuck Auburn, but Petiford
is nice. I'm alled JP talk about four real quick.

Speaker 6 (21:59):
Broom tweeted it out. But he is the most over
dramatic player in college basketball. Yes, he is a beast,
but he's also like twenty three years old, and he
carries himself like he is Lebron And I want him
to do I want him to have I want him
to get rich after school. I don't wish any I
don't want him to have a horrible career in the NBA.
But I can't see him in the NBA doing his thing,

(22:22):
and the way he carries himself, you would think he's
he's a number one draft pick. But last night in
the game, did y'all watch it? This guy bro Now
he went down and like it looked like he kind
of messed up his knee, and so it's like, oh, snap,
that's obviously not good. But then you start hearing it's
his shoulder or something, his elbow, and he's like sitting

(22:44):
there on the ground with that look of like, man,
my tournament's over, and so you're you're feeling for him.
He's walking by his teammates, he hugs his mom. He
goes to the locker room, tolds yes, maw's the coach.
I'm done. I'm like, dang, and you know, he bought.
He battled through some injuries earlier in the year that
we're also kind of overhyped when it first happened. But

(23:04):
he goes to the locker room, come back, comes back out,
gets the big cheer, and then immediately gets grabs a
one handed rebound and then goes and knocks down a
three and is like juicing everyone up. I'm like, this
is not you can't do this, this is not allowed,
and Taylor likes it.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
He went in there, got that blue bound State shot
bro State training staff and they got that need allowed.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
And then I can't wait till he's.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I didn't know he did that. Listen, he overcame an injury.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
I get he overcame an injury I did.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I mean, I hated that he was doing it to Michigan,
but I loved like his physicality and the paint like
he was body and catch plays in the corner you
know there, and then grew.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Up playing sports like you all. You know, you know
those teammates that were like, dude, are you even that injured?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (23:53):
I know?

Speaker 6 (23:53):
And he is that teammate and now he's getting it.
He's up for National Player of the Year too.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Oh you would hate that, Yeah, just the way you said.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
Up for you the flag broom. This guy man, I've
been hating on him for for a while now.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Really, so I brought up a sore subject because he'll
be doing it like he will put it on South
Carolina even though we should have beat them this year.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
Lost the end. But yeah, he's been he's been bothering
me for a while. Damn the NBA.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
It does got talent. And don't you want your players
to be like over confident in their abilities. Don't you
want like, if this guy's on South Carolina, you would
love him?

Speaker 6 (24:34):
No? Yeah, I mean I would I love anybody that
wears gardening black. But the Pettiford guy. He's a perfect example.
Like he runs his mouth, he thinks he is one
of the best point guards ever to touch the basketball court.
And he's fun to watch and he doesn't give off
the vibe that Broom does like the Auburn point guard.
He has this his tape from high school where he's

(24:55):
just finding every camera before the game, like I'm killing
these I'm doing it into everybody. Then highlights, we roll,
putting on a show and I'm about that. He didn't
fake injuries, this kid, This kid, he didn't fake injuries.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
This kid zero was insane, unbelievable. He's a freshman, right.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah, drive into the paint on you guys, drove into
the paint, stopped, turn, spun out of it, and hit
like a fade away jumper at the elbow.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
And it was we had that seven footer he like
somehow got like the exchange, like someone tried to do
a pick and so the seven footer went on him
and he like just stuttered him real quick and put
that kid's feet and just went around laid that thing
up no problem. It was crazy to watch anywhere he was, dude,
anywhere on the court he was. He put that ball
in the air. It either went to somebody got an assist,

(25:45):
or he just went in the net.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
It was crazy, yeah games over the weekend, but then
there were some really bad ones.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah yeah, all of our teams just got murdered. You me,
Jack Weird paid though. Yeah that bracket, shout out that bracket,
shoutout March madness. Dude, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
What are we thinking in do we have any any
any football topics? I know the the NFL is officially
voting on banning the toush push h Why.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
My vov no ban, it'd be no ban.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Like I it's like, I get frustrated watching it, but
at the end of the day, you gotta line up,
you gotta figure out a way to stop it. I think,
if anything, they need to be very they need to
be very detailed on the offense, like false starting, because
there it's just such a different looking formation when everybody's
all like on all fours, and I feel like there's
false starts that kind of happen before the ball is snapped.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I'll be more focused on getting that kickoff reverse back
to what it was like that we have bigger issues
out there than the touch push like, you just have
man on man, you have dudes on dudes. How tough
are you versus how tough am I? And we're gonna
find out who's better in this moment. Yeah, it's it's
It's an extremely hard play to get passed. There's no doubt.
I mean, they've done it for a couple of years

(27:04):
now and just have had a insanely high success rate.
Other teams that try to mimic it and can't do it,
but no one's stopping anybody else from doing this formation. Yeah,
it's a torpedo back is to But yeah, you brought
up the Bills. The Bills did it, but they do
it differently, like Josh Allen takes a step to the
left and goes to the b gap.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
They just do it differently, right, And you're saying and
not have success. So I'm saying the Bills, like, if
you're gonna do it, you just need to go all
out and do it like they do it exactly like
the Eagles do it have to.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
I mean no, it's not like they they patent it
and they're like, hey, nobody else can do this play.
Anybody else can do that play and get it done. Sorry,
the Eagles quarterback squad six hundred fifty pounds, like, get
you a quarterback? Yeah, behind that old line and you
have three guys pushing like, I don't see anything wrong
with that at all. I see nothing wrong. It sucks.
It's especially when your team's playing the Eagles and it's

(27:53):
fourth to one. You know, hey, they're gonna get it.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
When you're the commanders and go, yeah, they can award
you a free one.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
But it's just I think it's almost ridiculous to even
like outlaw this.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Did you see uh, did you see the coaching photo.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Do you see our boy Brad? Yeah, shoulders a little
stiff in there. Huh, he looks a little siting.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
He's got that funny he's got that little that little grin,
that smile where he's actually giving a smile.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I saw zooming on the photo of the four guys
in there. Callahan's in there. It's like when you have
to hang out with your ex, uh, your girlfriend's ex boyfriend.
It's kind of just kind of sitting there and Raves
is over above him, and that that is Braves has
got to feel good walking into that building right there,
be like, oh, I'm fucking back. But you know he's
got it. He's got his little walk in. Yeah, a
little stres just owning the room.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
But that right, the strut, the confidence, it's swagged that
we know Rabel has none of it.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
None of it is in that photo. He's doing the
Will Compton flex is what he's doing. The shoulder up
a little bit, got this little thing going, you sees, Pegs.
Has he been in the weight room a little No, No,
he's been hitting that. He's been hitting that little bag
real slow with stretching the corner him and Frank.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
You think he was alty that they had him at
the end.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Maybe, yeah, who knows.

Speaker 6 (29:04):
Maybe I just pictured the person in charge of the photo,
like all right, everybody line up please, single, single file
line and you just got Andy Reid in the front. Yeah,
Like I just pictured that whole behind the scenes process
being hilarious.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah. I wonder if he tried to walk towards the mither, like, oh,
could you mind?

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Actually, Mike's over here to the right, zime, no farther.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
Yeah, I've only won.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
A few super at some point he's he's like away
from everybody else.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
There's like a big space that's good to himself too,
Like I've only won a few Super Bowls and played
fourteen years?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, how many? How many years in the NFL these
guys play, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I want like the one time you know too, that
you can look at this photo and kind of laugh,
knowing you can kind of goof on him.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
I feel like, yo, I would whoop your ass in
this situation, but knowing like this is the only moment,
but outside of it, it'd get a little too physical.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Did All right, Bro, We're relax, put your little little
chest pad on and go go to practice, go to
just me. We know you're a psycho. Yeah, it's interesting.
I mean, he's got to feel good walking in and
Patriots head coach. They spent like one hundred and forty
million dollars this offseason. They're just getting all He's getting,
all those guys, Harold Landry Splaine, all these things. He's
getting everybody he wants. He's got Drake May who people

(30:11):
are kind of whispering like this kid's a lot better
than people think. They've brought on two digs, yes and
digs on which interesting.

Speaker 6 (30:20):
And Vrabel digs dynamic to be interesting.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
That is going to be. But I feel like he
can handle it. He needs his Yeah, he needs a dog.
I thought. I thought, I thought for a min they're
to get aj. I thought for a moment, they're only
going snipe aj Or from the Eagles. Man.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
I don't know Digs whatsoever, just on headlines, right and
gossip and everything else. But again, it's like Raves was working.
Raves worked with a lot of different personalities on the tidies.
I feel like Braves is somebody that gets it, gets
that out of those.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
He's got that tomlin S kind of vibe where he
can take multiple personalities make them work together.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Like we were built around the run game and you
had a savage like AJ Brown on the outside, who
you know, was frustrated at a time.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I mean aj was going off, Corey Davis was going
off as soon as a j yacht. There. You had
who else, Johnny Smith like you had so much talent
on some of those teams, Khaliff Raymond just burning kats
in Baltimore.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
It's in the right amount. Those guys want to be
challenged and they don't. They don't want to coach it.
They can say everything they want to. They want a
guy that will sort of check them. And I feel
like it. It does. It's like you said, bring out
the best.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, there's definitely a respect factor that needs it needs
to happen with some of these personalities.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
And whether or not as a player, you whether or
not you want that or you like that. Right, it
does it ultimately like lits you up and then you
kind of look back.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
On like, oh this guy was good for me. Yeah,
this is where this is where Rabel's fourteen year comment
is gonna probably go a long way with dis Yeah,
he did do it for a long time. Yeah, I've
been nice. Hell always be chirping about how many touchdowns
he has and all these different things. How many you
got this year? I had this man one year.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Those bringing up legends, like big personalities like Randy Moss
walk through here. I don't know if he played with
Randy though, No, Well it will be called it's like
being able to play as a team. Yeah, when did
frames retire?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
He played with Randy? Right, that's a twenty seven team.
I know.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I was walking around, I can I can picture myself
walking around my high school hallways spouting off about how
I have Randy Johnson on my fantasy football team.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
So I don't Johnson picture.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Randy Moss spout off about how I have Randy Moss
and my fantasy football team.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
But I don't know. He might have just missed. Was
it eight? No, he was still in it. Oh seven?
Was that season right? O? Seven eight? Super Bowl? Or
was it eight? Season nine Super Bowl? I think it
was seven o eight? Oh yeah he played. Oh there
you go there. It is good research. Sure, nice work.
But yeah, I shout out Rames being back in there. Man,

(32:51):
we got to fix that photo though, rapes. Let's take
care of that next time we go in there. Let's
get a shirt that's a little more fitted, a little
more customed out. We got to get out the fox
bro too. We gotta sit down. Yeah, gotta see him
walk around like we own the place. And then we
see him, we just curl up our feet on his desk.
He walks in shit, no doubt. Look at him in shape?

(33:14):
What a beauty? Yeah? What else we got? Boys? We
feel good. We have a massive guest today. Yeah, do
you want to, I'll let you up the floor. This
is a big moment for Wilcompton.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, I mean I was ecstatic when he was about
coming to Nashville because he was wanting to come on
when we were going to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
But it was like, bro, we.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Gotta get you on the bus and we can find
him if we can find that because we've been we've
been going back and forth with Luke since maybe November
October last year because Paul Swan shut up all Swan
he kind of hooked it up, put us in a
group chat and we were going back and forth. He
was already you know, Luke would be out hunting. He's
an outdoorsman. He'd have a lot of different things going on.

(33:51):
He was requesting to come on during uh during the
super Bowl, but again it's like, bro, we gotta get
you on the bus so we can find a moment.
And I think he came out and worked with Vanderbilt
like he was out with Vanderbilt earlier. That earlier that
when he came on the bus was in the afternoon,
but he was at Vandy old morning. I think just
helping with the staff, maybe talking to the players, working
with the linebackers. But yeah, get Luke Keigley on. I mean,

(34:12):
one of the most accomplished. How long did he play?
Eight was it eight years?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
It was eight years?

Speaker 1 (34:17):
I mean, one of the most accomplished careers in that
short amount of time ever ever, I mean, he's one
of the best.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
And if you're a guy that like truly loves ball,
like loves the x's and o's of what's going on,
you're going to love watching Luke Keigley dissect all these things.
We go into some of the places he's had his
back to back picks against the Lions. How he they
were in a blitz. They check out the buttz. I'll
let him tell a story. But the way he went
about the process of the game is a massive reason
why he was so successful. Talks about the players he

(34:44):
played with, the leadership that was into the rooms. It
shows how important a young guy it is for a
young guy to get leadership in a room that he
walks into, and how important is for those guys that
are nine to ten eleven year vets to help the
young guys out because it seems like he had great
habit before, but getting in with them and them teaching
him how to be a pro just send them.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yes, empowering him like, hey, you are the guy surrounded
by guys that are older than you and had like
cut their teeth in the league and very like very
respected players that were ahead of him. Absolutely, but dude,
it was awesome. I mean it's Louke Keekley and having
him on too. It's like getting to talk to him
about all the concussion stuff because he's somebody who played
his uh his career and he doesn't really go on

(35:26):
much or he hasn't necessarily talked about it a whole lot.
So getting to kind of dive in on what the
insecurities were, like, like what what was popping up, like
when those concussions were starting to to create a pattern,
like being at peace was retired.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
When did he know he was going to retire?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, and him jumping into scouting the year after I
thought was insane. Yeah, you're you're just curious a guy
at that level, why would you want to go into
potentially being a scout in the NFL? Like are you
trying to be a GM or you trying to be
a coach? And just dabbling in his life after ball
since retiring and just hearing him talk about it was
awesome and all that seemed like he's he's super he
he was super at he's with everything, which I was

(36:01):
kind of like, you know, like as a backer knowing
that he played at the highest level every.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Year that he was on the field.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's like, man, do you ever think about, like, you know,
are you bummed that you didn't get to play like
fifteen years or put up a career or play as
long as like ray Lewis did, like knowing where his
stats probably would have fallen.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, it's the only player I've ever seen in my
entire life go from being a physical backer and then
a little more heady than messy and still have the
same amount of productivity. Yeah, because he just understood the
game at a different level than everybody else.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, and just his Like the dude ran a four
to five I want to say he jumped extremely well
on all the combine stuff like his physical capabilities like
paired with all that mentality and that preparation and everything else.
You just got to see he was a stud on
the field man, and his closing speed, the way he
could Again, we're we're talking about at the time Julio

(36:53):
Jones dunked on him, but he's covering Julio Jones and
Julio Jones, which looks like, yeah, we were talking about
cover four breaking down how he has to run with
Julio Jones. He wasn't really getting a whole lot of help.
He had some like late safety help. But we're talking
about him running and covering and competing with Julio Jones
like when he unfortunately got dunked on.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, but he's just dude, and getting to.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Break down the Dallas Cowboys plays and him turning his
head around and getting that pick.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Like his ability was jumping out of cover too, because
he knows that that's that's covered. He's probably Stafford gone
from his read to somewhere else, having his back to
a play and knowing what a person behind Hi misthinking
and able to turn. Yeah, it's just incredible, dude. Yeah,
it's amazing. It just shows like the capability of some
football players in their brain that just allows them to
operate at that level is just nuts.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, just wild dudeses of legends, legend.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Let's get in this episode. Before we do, let's talk
about TikTok. What do you say, Willie? Yes?

Speaker 1 (37:47):
What?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Hey, Taylor? I have a question.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
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a taco restaurant operator in Arizona, and a life saving
medical innovator in Tennessee all have in common?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Are they all in small business owners? And they all
thriving on TikTok. Yes, bro.

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Speaker 2 (38:17):
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Peyton Manning, Taylor Lawan, George Kittle, Baker Mayfield, Emitt Smith,
Shane Gillis, Post Malone, and Dustin Poorier. Our guest today
quite possibly the greatest white athlete to ever be on
this earth, a man who has been said gotten apartment
his rookie year, had a bed, no TV, just for
his iPad so he could be the greatest. Somehow went

(39:45):
to Boston College, should have gone to the University of
Michigan or Nebraska. Ladies, gentlemen, give your give a ronoplause
for Louke Keickley, who also Paul want to see when
it drops one day. Hall of fame, all white a
team or there we go. Gotta be starting backer. Bro,
Welcome to the bus.

Speaker 7 (40:04):
I appreciate it. It's good to be on here.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, dude, So how do you want to start? How
do you want to do this? Heart pounding? Hey? Yes, right, right, okay,
I'll take this.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Go ahead and start right because I'm just looking at it.
That's that's him, that's that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Do you want to start early in his life or
he's younger than two? That's what's even crazy? I know,
like that's Did you tell Luke that you actually played
two more years in the NFL than him? No? I
figured we'd get to that point. It's a fact. I
can't run from that situation. We get to that point,
you get to that point eventually.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, you can go ahead and start it off. Your
kick it while I start to gather my thoughts.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Luke, how does it feeld to be the best white
linebacker ever lived? Oh?

Speaker 7 (40:41):
My gosh, So Brian or Lacker was the guy that
I grew up watching him and Zach Thomas are pretty
daggon good. And then Chicago guy Dick Buckets. I feel
like he kind of kind of got it all rolling
a little bit can here get it close? Yeah? But
uh it was fun.

Speaker 6 (40:56):
Man.

Speaker 7 (40:56):
The game of football is special. And the guys that
I grew up watching lack Zach Thomas, Derrek Brooks, Ray Lewis,
those are the dudes that when I was growing up,
I want I want to be like those guys.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
When did the bug hit you? Because everything I know
this is obviously the first time we've met. Yeah, but
playing against you, practicing against you one time when you brutal,
terrible actually practices we went away did a joint practice
and I was always told this guy, Luke Keigley, like
he is a football guy. He's a machine. The way
he operates, he calls out plays. You have so many
clips of guys saying, oh, we would be sitting there,

(41:29):
we checked to a play, and then you would call
out to play. It was no difference when we were
in practice. I actually, I don't know if you read this,
I walked up to you in the middle of practice
between plays and said something to you. You were like
a goddamn robot, like.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
You were so dialog I was hot and trying to
get off the field.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Dons what you were? So when did the bug hit
When did you realize, Okay, football is what I want
to do with my life.

Speaker 7 (41:50):
I think growing up I wanted to play football, probably
start in like second or third grade. You know, you
grew up in the Midwest. I grew up in Ohio.
The first game that that pops on is at noon,
so you wake up on Saturday. We always would have
football practice on Saturday mornings. We play on Sundays, and
then you'd watch college football all day. So I think
for me it was started as a young age. That's

(42:10):
the one game that I wanted to play, and we
didn't have an opportunity to play in two I was
in fourth grade because just how the school was set up,
my dad didn't play football. We weren't really a football
family growing up. So by the time I got involved
with it, I was in fourth grade and my brother
was in fifth grade, and we just played on the
local school team. It was a group of I think
it was Saint Mike's Our lated to the Sacred Heart
is where I went to school, and then Saint Xavier.

(42:31):
Those are the three team, three schools that made up
the team. So it was really like third grade that
I knew I wanted to play, and then fourth grade
is the first year that actually played.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, why Boston College? Like coming to were you were
you an offer guy coming out.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Of high school?

Speaker 7 (42:45):
Yeah, so I knew. You know, when you're coming up,
you never expect you're going to play in the NFL.
I think for me, it was always what's the next
logical step for me. So when you're in grade school,
you want to play on So it was third and fourth,
fifth and sixth, seventh and eighth. So when you move
up to fifth grade and you're on the fifth and
sixth team, you want to play on that team. And
then as a sixth grader you play, and then on
seventh grade you go back in the same situation, and

(43:06):
then you get to high school. We had a freshman team,
a jv team, and a varsity team. So my goal
in high school was to play on the varsity on
the varsity team as a junior, which is crazy. It's crazy.
We just had we had so many we had. I
went to a private all or a Catholic Jesuit all
boys school in Cincinnati. That's kind of one of the
reasons I went to BC. But there's sixteen hundred boys

(43:27):
and we probably had, you know, three to four hundred
kids in the football program.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Oh yeah, it was huge three to four hundred years.
So your school is one of the reasons why Ohio
always looked at such a big.

Speaker 7 (43:39):
Yeah, we were Southwest Ohio, so we had like one
hundred and thirty five hundred and forty kids on the
freshman team. The JV team was just sophomores, and then
that was probably seventy eighty kids, and then on the
varsity team was like one hundred and forty kids again,
so those numbers get big quick. I went to BC
because academically was really strong. That was one thing that
my parents talked to me a lot about was go

(44:00):
somewhere that you wouldn't be able to get into without football.
So I wasn't getting in the Boston College. I looked
at Stanford, wasn't getting to get in there. Duke and
then Virginia were the schools that I was looking at,
and I was like, I can't get in to any
of these schools without football. And I'm like, if I
can get a scholarship to twent of these schools, I
got an opportunity to get a five year education of
masters for free and go play football. So that's kind

(44:21):
of what you're thinking coming out. And Tom O'Brien was
a Saint Xavier guy. That's we went to high school.
He went to Saint Xavier and then he ended up
coaching at Boston College and started pulling kids out of
the high school to go to play football Boston College.
So we probably had a kid there for I don't know,
twenty twenty years in a row from the high school,
just overlapping, and the guys that went to school up

(44:44):
there had a ton of success. A lot of them
were team captains, a lot of them played really well,
and it was a really How that program was run
was very similar to how the program was running Cincinnati
at Saint Xavier High School of just toughness, playing hard,
doing the right thing. We didn't always have the best athletes,
but we played really well as a team. And when
I was being recruited, Matt Ryan was there, so they

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were They got as high as number two. They beat
Virginia Tech in Blacksburg on that pass across the field
from Matt I think I think Andre Calender caught that ball,
and there was just a ton of hype around them
when I was being recruited, and it was good academically.
It was outside of Boston. I knew guys that were there.
It was a Jesuit school, just like my high school,
and they were playing really really good football at the time.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
So were you an overachiever? Like, were you a beast
in high school? As well?

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Like, are any guys in that school that three to
four hundred? Are there any freshmen or guys playing varsity?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
No?

Speaker 7 (45:36):
So, I mean, you know, my my freshman year, I
didn't play a whole lot. We had we had since
the team was so big. We had an A team
and a B team. So the A team would play
like on a Wednesday, and the B team would play
on a Thursday, so we'd play the other freshman team. Yeah,
so they played on I think on Saturdays. The varsity

(45:58):
team played Friday nights and then we played Saturdays. Typically,
I think is what happened. So freshmen don't play on
varsity typically, I don't think. I don't know the last
time it's happened. Occasionally you'll get like two or three
sophomores play varsity, but they got to be dudes. But
I would say that eighty five percent of guys don't
aren't on the varsity team. Until they're juniors.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
So yeah, so that's why your goal was varsity.

Speaker 7 (46:23):
Yeah, I'm thinking you like, if you.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Had the bug, if you had this kind of drive,
the way everyone sees and talks about this kid must
have been a freshman on varsity, but this around, it
seems like an absolute powerhouse.

Speaker 7 (46:33):
Yeah, and I loved I loved the game of football.
I was small, so my freshman year I played outside linebacker,
and my sophomore year they moved me to tight end
because the backers that we had they were bigger than me.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
There there's better.

Speaker 7 (46:45):
So my sophomore year those guys all play backer and
then I played tight end, and then.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
My juniories I was a good blocker. Yeah, I'll tell
you what.

Speaker 7 (46:54):
I'm so glad I didn't have to play offense because
all formations and trades and shifts. You play mike backer,
you just line up in the middle of the field. Yeah,
you don't got to go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
So that you're also calling out all those tradesformations and ship. Yeah,
it's but oftense. Guy.

Speaker 7 (47:09):
There was a guy named Ryan Long. He played right
tackle and he played tight end in the year before
and then I think in like training camp and then
they moved me to tight end and they moved him
to tackle, so he knew all the formations, so I'd
line up next to him in the huddle. They called
the playmac Where do I line up?

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Shit?

Speaker 7 (47:25):
So I Ryan Long was like my my life support? Uh,
playing tight end and then I switched back to linebacker
as a junior, and then I played like a hybrid
safety as a senior.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
So, so, as a junior on varsity, were you starting
at that point? I did? Okay, That's when when they.

Speaker 7 (47:41):
Was so I started to grow. I started to grow
a little bit. I got a little bigger.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
How big were you going into BC?

Speaker 7 (47:48):
Oh Man? So I played my senior year at like
two twelve and then I got to b C. I
was probably like two eighteen. So I played I don't know,
two eighteen, two twenty as a freshman, and then like
two twenty eight as a sophomore, and then as a junior,
I played like two thirty one two.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Just a thicky When did you know in college that hey,
I might have something, I might have a future in
the NFL.

Speaker 7 (48:11):
So I think you know you? So in college it
was interesting because Mark Hurzlik, you guys remember him, monster. Yeah.
So Mark Hurzlik was a junior. I went to spring game.
He was he was going into his what was it?

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Because he got done with his junior year, right, he
was like a first round potential. The cancer thing happened. Yeah,
he fought his way sat out a year, so he
fought his way back.

Speaker 7 (48:33):
I go to spring ball going as when I'm a senior,
Mark's going to be a He's he's going to be
a senior in college. So it's his spring ball before
his senior year, and they've been telling me, like, Mark's
got like a low back hamstring thing, He's probably not
going to play a lot in the spring gam I
was bummed because I wanted to watch him play. So
he goes and plays, a couple of snaps comes out,
and then like a couple of weeks later, it's he's

(48:54):
got ewing sarcoma bone cancer. So I get there, I
get to school. Mark's out the whole year. Essentially he
red shirted as he was dealing with cancer. I don't
know how the guy did it. He was there all
the time, worked out every day, was still big and strong,
was in all the meetings. It was fantastic. As a
young guy to go. Yeah, he had gone through chemo radiation, everything,

(49:15):
but he was a great older guy to have at
BC As a freshman, he wasn't playing, so there was
like no stress of I mean he was dealing with
cancer obviously, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
That is a that is a football thing to say.
The stress of playing as crazy.

Speaker 7 (49:31):
So so then Mark's out. Mike McLoughlin was our Mike linebacker.
He's like the prototype from Massachusetts. He had the he
had the cowboy collar neck roll, he had the little
bull ring.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah, he wore the diaper chin strap. No he didn't.

Speaker 7 (49:44):
He had a diaper chin strap and then he switched
over to the pad in one. But he was like
the prototype. He was coming back from an achilles, so
he was going to miss the first couple games of
the season and then I don't know, a week or
two in the training camp are starting Mike backer. Will
Thompson gets like a shoulder stinger. So I'm over with
the freshman doing inside run. Get my teeth kicked in

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and they just needed a mic backer, so they called
me over and I had to go over as like
little skinny two hundred and twenty pounds Luke and play
against the older guys and just get my teeth kicked in.
I was like, this is awful. And my coach came
up to me after the after that period and he's like,
I was pretty terrible. You got to figure it out
because you're going to play week one because we don't
have anybody else. I'm like, what about this guy? And

(50:29):
he's like, well.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
That guy.

Speaker 7 (50:32):
Uh, that guy got popped for a drug test, so
he can't play either. So if you're.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Looking at the coach saying, hey, you're being told you're
gonna play week one, but you're like, hey, what about that.

Speaker 7 (50:41):
Guy, I'm like yeah, yeah, I'm like I'm my confidence
is zero. So hers Lick's out, Max out, Will Thompson
gets hurt, guy gets popped for a drug test, and
then before you know, your top four guys are out,
and so there's really no one left. So like, hey,
week one, you're just gonna have to figure it out.
So the first couple games a season or disaster, go
down to Clemson, we play in Death Valley against C. J.

(51:04):
Spiller and that yeah, yeah, yeah, they had Daikon Bowers
and they had another they had an I forget another.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
He's back there JP's a South Carolina guy. He hates
every time they're mentioned. They have to they have to
be trashed on.

Speaker 7 (51:18):
Yeah. So but then you make a couple of plays
in those games you're like, you know, I got a chance.
And then I remember my sophomore year was when I
was like, Okay, you played against in Clemson against you know, CJ. Spiller,
and then you just start going through the guys that
you play against. You're like, these guys are all getting
drafted in the NFL, Like this might actually be an

(51:38):
opportunity for me. So it's it's just interesting how you
go from high school you want to play on the
varsity team do as a freshman like you're you don't,
I don't really have a choice. You get in there
and play, and then you're like, man, I'm this is fun.
I'm starting to have some success. And then you fast forward.
You kind of the next thing you look forward too
is like, I love the game of football. I've had
a ton of fun. I'd love to keep playing this
as long as I can. So you kind of look

(51:59):
back as probably probably three quarters of the way through
my sophomore year, you look back and you're like, these
are the guys that I played against, this has been
their career in the NFL, Like maybe I got a chance.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
So there wasn't like a specific play in mind that
you made a big play and you're like, oh shit, okay,
I can do this. It was a reflection period for you. Yeah,
but you're to look back and kind of be like,
all right, all these guys are playing in the NFL.
This means I can do X, Y and Z as well. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:20):
I just think you you know, you look at it
and you're like, I've played in like big games. We
played at Clemson, we played at Florida State, we played
at Notre Dame, and you're like, these are the these
are the teams in the situations that you grew up
watching and now you get a chance to be in them.
And it's something I always tell guys, like, you need
to enjoy the game because when it's gone, it's gone.
So I was so when I was playing, so laser

(52:43):
focused on football in the process that you don't ever
take a second to really look back and say, damn,
like that was that was pretty cool?

Speaker 1 (52:51):
You know, Yeah, because your sophomore in junior year, correct
me if I'm wrong, but you led the NC double
and tackles.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
Yeah, yeah, we just we were on the field a lot.
We were on the field a lot. We didn't you
kind of we kind of really didn't have a choice.
You know, you played eighty ninety snaps like you got
more opportunities. Especially.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
You know.

Speaker 7 (53:10):
The other thing too, is like we weren't ahead a
lot late. So you know what happens at the end
of the game. Their team's run four minute, they're gonna
run the ball and they got they got five or
six run plays, and they're gonna run power, they're gonna lead,
and they're gonna run stretch. It's like perfect, all right,
here we go.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Buddy.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Every time he like you'd see a statueet on like
league leaders, and he's sitting there every week averaging like
fifteen tackles a game. That is I'm thinking, who was
this loukey from?

Speaker 7 (53:38):
He must be on the field a lot.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah, must like the excuse to the competitor makes like,
oh they got Well, you know.

Speaker 7 (53:43):
What's funny is you look at all those things and
like people are lying if they don't look at that stuff. Right,
So then I went and looked at it one time
and it had number of snaps played, and it was
like we had a gazillion. And then you go look
at like Alabama that got like Dante high Towers at
Alabama he had like half the amount of snaps play
that we did. Chris Borland had a million.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Dog Well you were here is twenty thirteen.

Speaker 7 (54:06):
Twenty twelve, twenty that linebacker class was strong.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, you guys had because I was twenty thirteen while
I was undrafted. But twenty twelve, you guys said.

Speaker 7 (54:16):
It was you, so it was Dante, and then Bobby
got drafted in the second round. Wagner, Levante, David, Mario, Davis. Yeah,
there were some. I'm sure I'm and I'm probably missing
some guys, but those.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
But those top four that you just said tomorrow Davis, Levante, David, yourself,
Bobby Wagner.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
Three of those guys, I mean to Mario is still
playing with the Saints, and that dude he's you look
at his stats and it's like, oh my gosh, like
what he's been able to do. Same thing with Bobby.
The guy that I never feel like it's enough credit
is Levante. I love Levonte. Look at go look at
his his sacks, his force fumbles and his fumble recoveries.

(54:55):
It's unbelievable, dude.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
He is always around the football.

Speaker 7 (54:58):
He's a great dude.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, he's phenomenal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Yesterday the Bucks their profile posted like his stats. He
has sixteen hundred tackles right now, there's only eight guys
in the history of the game to have over sixteen
hundred tackles. Him and Bobby Wagner are both still doing it.

Speaker 7 (55:13):
Unbelieva. Who those Yeah, and they're not slowing down. Bobby
had over one hundred last year. I think he just
resigned and the Levante sign another deal with Tampa, which
is cool because you know, as great of his career
as he's had, he's been on the same team the
whole time.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, Yeah, it's cool jevity that he's had. Yeah, and
and not get jaded over kind of being overlooked by
so many guys yourself. At points, Bobby.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
I was tell JP he has one Pro Bowl I believe,
and it was as an alternate. But it's such bullshit
because he's like one of the most underrated players of
all time.

Speaker 7 (55:44):
Well, the thing that hurts him is that he he's
classified because they were four to three. He was an
outside linebacker. Yeah, so like the prototype outside linebacker is like,
you know, the rush and the guys got fifteen sacks.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Right, that's where yeah, those those salmon willis kind of
get screwed over in the Pro Bowl because the guys
at their hand of the dirt well.

Speaker 7 (56:04):
And the funniest part about the Pro Bowl is that
they those off the ball backers. They're listed as outside linebackers.
The only rush it's only a four down look, so
those guys have to play off the ball. Yeah, they're
playing a four three and Justin Houston is playing off
the ball at five yards like, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah? You know they at the fourth quarter of the game.
If it's tight though, I'm about to take yeah exactly,
because it is. It is a little bit of a war.

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Speaker 2 (57:12):
Were you you at IMG training for the Combine?

Speaker 7 (57:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Is that where you were? Yeah? That's why I went
as well. And that was like I think my first
introduction to the luke Keickley. You had like yourself a
little mirror, oh gosh on the wall and they're like,
you know that guy is we had?

Speaker 7 (57:23):
That was so fun, dude.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
IM really is an awesome place because there's no like
I was a big time party. You're in college and
then you know, got a little straight as I got
into the league. But like when you're in braden'son Florida,
there's like newly weds and nearly dead. There's no one
between there's no nightlife or nothing. So it was me
and like the thirty other guys that were training. Awesome,
that's all we had. We had like a small, little shitty.
Those little apartments are just off of the iron. Get

(57:46):
the golf cart. Yeah, the golf cart you rip it around.

Speaker 7 (57:48):
It was the first time you had a little freedom.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, it's kind of golf cart in your own place,
but it's also well regimented. I loved it. There was
that Were you thinking about tween there in Exos.

Speaker 7 (57:57):
No, because the guys so occurs, like and then Anthony Costanzo.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Gangster Boston College.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
Yeah, they were the year year ahead of me in
the draft. So Anthony got drafted first round by the Colts.
And then Mark Mark was went to the Giants and
those guys trained at IMG and and I went to
school with them, and I was like, guys Exos or IMG,
and they're like just good to IMG. We went there
was sick. We enjoyed it. It was awesome. It was sick.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, they're entire Yeah, you work there because IMG, I
feel like they do it better than anybody else. As
far as like getting guys looking for the combine because
they don't just do the weightlifting and the running. But
they're also they have a classrooms to go over media stuff,
almost improvisation classes. Okay, you're thrown off with this, what
do you do now? What do you say to X,
Y and Z? They bring up maybe some things that

(58:45):
aren't so great about you, like how are you going
to attack this situation? So I think IMG was such
a great experience.

Speaker 7 (58:50):
It's so funny you do all that work. And then
when I worked with the team the first year I
got done planning. I worked a team in the scouting department,
and you can pull up all your profiles if you
know coming and you know every every you know uh
report written on you and highth weight, speed and all
your tape. And so I was like, I got bored
one day. I looked at it, and I looked at
my combine interview with the Panthers. It's a disaster. Really Yeah,

(59:14):
I was like sitting, I had my glasses on, I
was nervous, I was probably sweating, and I was supers
like they'd asked me a question bike, Yes that's cover four,
And I'm like, gosh, you suck. You sound so bad
right now.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
That's how Obviously getting drafted like you, I met with
the Titans, and I was probably the same way, but
a year removed. Seeing those same familiar faces now in
that room. Yeah, timage you are, Oh you're so scared man,
And because the train station is no joke. Yeah like
that that that combine experience was your Did you have
a good combine experience?

Speaker 7 (59:45):
I really yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think that
first night of those interviews, because you have the train station,
which is like they can just come and grab you, obviously,
and then the one on ones or they put you
in the room where it's only fifteen minutes and half
the first two minutes, three minutes of them introducing themselves,
in the last two or three minutes of them leave
you leaving, so it's only like a ten minute window.

(01:00:07):
And then they're peppering you with questions and I'm nervous.
You're it's your job interview and you're trying to put
your best foot forward. And I was just nervous, and
I was sitting in there just and I was like,
I would not draft that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, well, what the combine is so crazy? As everyone
sees what happens when you're running and benching and jumping
all that, but really all the scary shit happens four
days prior running. When you get to go run, you're
finally like, thank god it's over, because you get there
the first day and it's like kind of introductions. Hey,
this is what's going to happen. This is your land road,
this is the train station works, this is how your
official meetings work. Four I am, you have a piss test. Yeah,

(01:00:43):
so it's like the number one rule is I just
do not miss it and make sure you don't piece.
So you I remember I was roommates with Zach Martin
h and we took shoes and we put it on
top of the toilet seat just in case you wake
up in the middle of night and try to go pee,
and we would be like a little countabill of buddies,
make sure we're all up together. Yeah, it's what you
need because you're nervous because you're up at four am
for a drug test, and then it's meetings all day,

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MRIs the middle of the day and then back to
the train station everything else.

Speaker 7 (01:01:09):
Well, were you a weight guy, did you have to
keep weight on?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I was always a guy that had to gain weight.

Speaker 7 (01:01:13):
Yeah, so you know, they get you there, and then
you can't eat as much as you typically do. There's
no scale, so then when you have to go weigh in,
you don't know how much you weigh right, and they're like, Luke,
you need to be over two hundred and forty pounds.
So you're just in there chugging.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
And they have the worst fucking snacks. But it's all
like less cups and skittles, and she's like, I guess
this is what I'm doing.

Speaker 7 (01:01:32):
I gotta do it. I gotta drink, I gotta eat something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah. I always did a great job having like food
wait for you, having stuff, a little area where you
go with a backpack.

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
And they just stuffed it with everything. I'll tell you
what the combine was. I loved it. It was so
cool because you grow up watching it. You don't really
grow up watching training at IMG, like you don't really
understand that. But you grow up and you watch these
guys run the forty and jump and bench and do
all that stuff, and then you get there and you're like,
this is sweet. I get to do It's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Like your step to the NFL load of MRIs. I
had to do it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:04):
I had to do them on my knees and I
had something on my elbow, but like not a not
a ton.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
I was pretty lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
It's funny too, how much everybody? Because I know Levante
him being like an undersized guy. Guy's just obsessing over
hitting a certain weight. You got to weigh in just
so you hit the metric, like Levante always played like
in the like like two twenty to two twenty five,
and he's like, I have to be like two hundred
and thirty three pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 7 (01:02:27):
I never weighed to forty ever again in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Yeah, but on that little stat sheet says two.

Speaker 7 (01:02:32):
Forty yea every don't don't skip me a pound.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:36):
When you step on the scale two and you saw
two forty two, how juice that thing kept ticking up?

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Yeah, And I was like, yes, dude, you know another
thing that's kind of a sleeper. Did they have the
little egg pods? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:02:46):
You do that afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Yeah, So we would do those IMG like every couple
of weeks. I guess if anything's gonna fucking change. But
my body fat would be like I don't know, like
twenty or nineteen or something like that. Okay, but it
had to be in those rooms. They had to have
a certain pressure for those that correctly. So when I
got to the combine, they haven't made this open room
where it was like being opened and closed a bunch.
So my body fat was right at like fifteen percent. Yes,

(01:03:08):
I'm like, oh, I made a four percent jump in
a week. That's crazy, I thought I was. I've on
my ship. Yeah, I've been on it. What was the
most nerve wracking part for you at the combine from
from the like athletics standpoint.

Speaker 7 (01:03:20):
Oh man, the probably the forty yeah, because that was
the question was how much you're gonna weigh and what
are you gonna run? So I actually had to run it.
I ran the forty three times.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
You messed up on one.

Speaker 7 (01:03:32):
So the first one I run, it goes really well.
Second one, because you know you can't see it, you
got to find ways to like get it. You know,
you look at your phone and somebody texts you, but.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
It's not They don't do that anymore. Do you watch
it now? Now they have people in the stands and
they show your force. That's kind of because it was
the same way for me too, where you go up
and like a couple of the guys who are like, hey,
what I run like, they're saying X, Y and Z.

Speaker 7 (01:03:55):
Yeah. So then second one comes up, and you know,
when you get in that forty start, there's holes because
everybody's been there, so everybody takes like the same, like
first two steps, so there's kind of an indentation in
the ground. And I was off just to half step
to the left, and I took my first step out
and I stepped kind of in the whole sideways and
I turned right real fast and almost ran into the

(01:04:18):
the laser reader and then straighten it out and I
ran like it was I ran like four to nine,
and I was like, oh gosh, that was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
You said that was the second one.

Speaker 7 (01:04:27):
That was the second one?

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Was the first one. The first one was like four
or five.

Speaker 7 (01:04:29):
And then I go four to nine and this guy
comes up to me and he's like, he's like, hey,
you're gonna probably have to run another one. We got
a bad reading on either the first or the second one.
And I was like, oh, no.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Did you know at the point too, that you had
ran a four or five in the first one.

Speaker 7 (01:04:44):
Yeah, I knew I ran well, and then the second
one I knew I stepped in the hole, and I'm like, okay,
this kind of makes sense. So then everybody had to
go run their second one. So I was the last
guy after the last guy in the in the line
to go run again. And I ran it again and
I looked at it. Guys like, how is that. He's like,
you're gonna be good. I was like, all right, perfect good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
So four.

Speaker 7 (01:05:01):
Yeah, He's like he's like, the middle one must have
gotten messed up. But it was I stepped in. I
stepped in a hole. I stepped my step was bad
or something. But you know it's so nerve wracking. That's like,
don't that matter?

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
What's that you didn't want to focus on getting a
tan before the combine? Of course?

Speaker 6 (01:05:16):
Not?

Speaker 7 (01:05:18):
You look faster that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Did you have the task? Did you last in the
four fours?

Speaker 7 (01:05:21):
No? At I I don't think we ever really ran.
I think we ran a forty like the first week
we were there, and then everything was just segmented out. Yeah,
so you work on starts flying twenties, you know, flying forties,
so you never really get a true number for what
you're gonna run, but you have an idea like I
felt good, I felt strong, I felt my starts were good,

(01:05:41):
and then it's like just go. It looks so stiff
running it, but.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
I know because it will, and I am You're trying
to do everything when you're training. You're like elbows and
this and that and relax your face. I remember I
ran a forty when we first the forty IMG, and
I was like a five to one.

Speaker 7 (01:05:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I was like, there's no fucking way. I'm like, I'm
a sub five guy, no doubt. But I was like
trying to like mechanically do exactly what they were saying
the whole time to where it was just awful.

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
Part of me thinks that they click it a little
bit slower.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
I thought the same.

Speaker 7 (01:06:07):
So they're like, no, you ran you ran five four,
So then when you run four nine, they're like, look
what we did half second.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
That's we're the greatest thing.

Speaker 7 (01:06:14):
They were unbelievable. Lauren Seagrave was was he there? He
was unbelievable, older older guy, right, Yeah, he was always
wore orange, always Warren.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
She had the really shining shoes. And then who was
the chick from London? Did you have the girl? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:06:28):
She was a yeah, she was a sin.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Yeah. She was a great running coach. I can't remember
he name right now, which kind of sucks.

Speaker 7 (01:06:33):
It was I had a ton of like everything that
they did there was a reason why they did it.
It's not like we just showed up and they're like,
all right, you're going to do this and right. And
I remember running like the short shuttle. It was footwork.
It was like seven or eight.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Steps and.

Speaker 7 (01:06:47):
The five in the five ten five.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Because the fact if I was like two three two
or something like something, they had like numbers to it.
They're like, okay, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Somebody who could like skip over to the first five
and just get in like two steps.

Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
You're like, yeah, this was amazing, like all that stuff
that you put in for you know, there's Laurence c Grave.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Right there that Yeah, he is awesome.

Speaker 7 (01:07:07):
He was great, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
So I don't know if you felt this way, but
after I ran the forty and I got the time
that I wanted, it felt like everything else was just
cake after that, because it's so stressful when you're standing
up because we had what number were you do you
remember for the combine?

Speaker 7 (01:07:20):
Oh? I don't so what I was thirteen maybe, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Yeah, nineteen nineteen, I was twenty three, and my whole
thing was like, I just don't want to go first, yea.
So I was like, oh, I'm twenty three, last name
is Lawan, I'll be I'll be solid. Well, they broke
it up groups, so it was one through twenty two.
So I was the first guy to go in the
second group and they're like, we're all kind of warming up.
Everyone's so stressed out. Yeah, that's Beyonce want and you

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see that tan.

Speaker 7 (01:07:49):
You look Yeah, you look like you look like you're
about fifteen percent right there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's what the body comp said. But that
chick that I can't remember her name, the one from London,
she's like, hey, when you run over the back of
the platform and have your Beyonce walk, like every the
whole combine everyone, you're waiting on everybody. Yeah, but once
you do that, it's now your time. You take as
long as you need whatever. And so I took all
the time in the world because I was my heart's

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racing right there, my little gazelle.

Speaker 7 (01:08:18):
How'd you think your walk was? You give the thumbs out?

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I knew I was. I was thinking, abou okay, steps,
you're moving your little feedback and you're just thinking, please
don't get called back on this start. That was what
I was most nervous about because learning from IMG, they
basically tell you like your first start's gonna be your
best one or your first two. After that you kind
of like your brain fucks up, like your CNS or something.
So it was once I ran that and I got

(01:08:40):
back to the boys and hey, they're saying four nine
right now, I'm like, all right, I know I'm selling. Yeah,
I feel I feel good about it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Is there a team you felt like you knocked it
out of the park with in the interview process?

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:08:51):
Man, you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Not?

Speaker 7 (01:08:53):
Really, I don't really that was I don't remember that.
I thought the stuff with the Panthers went really good
because so Ron Rivera obviously play with the Bears. My
high school road roommate was Mike Morrissey. He was two
years older than I am. I was and he was
a great older guy. So when we went on trips
on the road, he was my roommate for away games.

(01:09:15):
His dad played with on the eighty five Bears. To
played with the Bears like ten years and he played
linebacker with Rivera. So I remember going to the combine
and be like, I don't know any of these guys,
but I know that Jim Morrissey and Mike Morrisey have
said really good things about coach Rivera and his experience
with them and their friendship and playing together in Chicago.

(01:09:37):
So I'm like, at least I have one guy that
I kind of have a connection too. So that one
was out of all of them. It was probably the
easiest one after I said how bad my interview was
on that video. But I felt probably the most comfortable
with them because I felt like there was a little
bit of a connection there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Did you know, did you feel really confident that I
was going to be the Panthers that grabbed you in
the first round.

Speaker 7 (01:09:56):
I thought there was a chance, So you kind of
looked at like teams that I I took a visit
to Carolina, so I met with them at the combine.
It took a visit down there pre draft, and I
kind of knew like nine to fifteen to twenty because
fifteen was Seattle and they drafted Bruce Irving. Bruce Irving
and then they ended up with Bobby in the second round,

(01:10:17):
so they were going to draft a linebacker. I thought
Buffalo was at ten I think they drafted Stephan Gilmour
from sc and so I thought it was going to
be one of those teams. I also took a visit
to Tennessee, so I think it was oh Man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
They actually were that was yeah. But they did draft
a linebacker and it was Zach Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Zach Brown. He was Brown.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Yeah, he gets dude Trent Richardson.

Speaker 7 (01:10:46):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know where they drafted what point?

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Yeah, scrolled down a little bit. I want to see
what they took.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Are you talking about the Titans, right, Kendall?

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Yeah, yeah, would have got him anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
You knew, yeah, true, should have traded out. Yeah, but yeah,
so you do you did you have any did you
have a place you wanted to go? Like you looked
at it.

Speaker 7 (01:11:12):
I thought Carolina would have been cool. I had some
family that was down there. I was familiar. I liked
it because Iran. That was the biggest thing that thought
was cool was that I knew him and they spoke
so highly of him. And he was a linebacker and
he coached like Irlacker and Briggs. Yeah, and he's with
San Diego names with the Bears. It just it felt
I was like that'd be a cool place.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
How was it when you first got there? How how
was he as a as a coach, because.

Speaker 7 (01:11:39):
Since you were a backer, he was phenomenal. He was
like he did a really good job of separating being
the head coach, but also like he wanted to be
a player again, so he'd be in the locker room,
he talked to guys, he was, he'd have you over
to the house. He just made you feel very comfortable.
So I always felt like, you know, he was obviously
the head coach, but he felt like a guy that

(01:12:02):
he just wanted He wanted to help you. He wanted
to put you in a position to be successful. It
was awesome. I couldn't have been in a better spot
as far as just the people that were there. Sean
mcdermo is a defensive coordinator. I don't think that I
could have ended up in a better system for to
play linebacker with that four down look. I played Mike,
which was if I was playing Will. It was struggled

(01:12:24):
because in space you're matched up on receivers. It's just
bad news. But you can run, Yeah, you can run straight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
But Jo Jones did you know he did what he did?
But everybody's getting there.

Speaker 7 (01:12:36):
I'm sure, I'm sure they can pull a picture of
that up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
It is.

Speaker 7 (01:12:44):
It's yeah there, you know that's that's not even the
best one. There's one that's like two pictures, three pictures
to the right on that search. That one looks better.
That one looks matter of fact, take how much higher
he is there? Take me to the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
He just high pointed it because you're running with him.

Speaker 7 (01:13:04):
So it's quarters and you're competitive by one, so it's quarters.
And if you have speed at number three, which Julio
definitely accounts for that, you get a backside the backside
quarters defender on the hash helps you out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Get your three d DEGs.

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
Yeah, we called it. We called it a fax call.
But yeah, same thing right now, great, you understand my struggle.
And they motioned the empty and I'm like, oh man,
so for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
The people listening when they motioned empty one, now there's
no more facts or there's no more help from that.

Speaker 7 (01:13:36):
Yeah, the emotion to emotions, this looks so this look.
You know what Matt Ryan's saying right here is my
guy's just better than all of you because he looks
like he's covered.

Speaker 6 (01:13:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah, you're you are covering.

Speaker 7 (01:13:46):
So I'm running down the field. I'm like, man, I
am in good shape. They throw that ball and I'm like,
I am in great shape. I can't see him, but
I know he's behind me. I reach up and all
I hear is and it's the ball hitting his hands
and me falling down and my face hitting the ground,
and I just hear the crowd explode and I run

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and I and I remember I picked my head up,
and the only thing I remember him seeing is like,
you know, when these guys used to score and they
they're like this as they run the band zone. I
just saw him do that. Look at me, just face face,
face down, and I'm trying to I'm hearing the crowd
scream right now. And then I picked my head up,
did you? And they right at the end, they show

(01:14:28):
him kind of right there. That's what I see when
I look up, I see that. I see it says
I can't even see the name Jones because he's tilted
forward like that. And then I get to the sideline
and my coach is like, hey, you know you're supposed
to be on him, right I was like, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Was, I know I was. That is the craziest. You're
a mic linebacker.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
You're coaching Keekley and Julio Jones and scores on a
competitive ball, and you're like.

Speaker 7 (01:14:55):
I mean a competitive competitive competitive is a nice way
to say it. Mean it looked competitive, and then when
the ball got thrown that the competition kind of went
out the window a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Let this play a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:15:07):
I'm running, he's running like three quarter speed. I'm running
literally as fast as I can and he's still running
away from me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Your safety over the top was trying to get in
on the action. Yeah, it was just I mean, he
looks covered right there.

Speaker 7 (01:15:18):
It's he's he's covered until Matt right, he just throws
the ball up for him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:15:23):
Look, I'm trying to pull through the I'm trying to
pull through the pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Stab the pocket.

Speaker 7 (01:15:27):
I'm trying to pull through the pocket. He just kind
of big boyed me there a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
God, I mean, you see a guy like Julio Jones,
you don't have to get me.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
You don't have to give me excuse. You just say
that you got you got, you got that. That was
on Randy Moss's You got Moss the next week. So
you always want to be on you got Moss as
a little kid, but not for that reason, that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Way at all. Was that what is like your toughest play,
that the worst moment you've had the worst? Was that it?

Speaker 6 (01:15:54):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:15:55):
That wasn't it? Because I kind of felt like it
the best I could have done. Yeah, you know, I
give a strong it's just kind of like, hey, hey, man, like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Just better than that moment.

Speaker 7 (01:16:08):
Yeah, so's yeah, he's just better. I remember my rookie year.
We were playing Seattle and it was Russ. Russ was
a quarterback. Russ and I train together at the combine.
For the combine, I remember he breaks contain. He's running
to his right. He breaks contain. Obviously he's running down
the field. I'm in coverage, so he crossed the line
of scrimmage. I'm I was like, I'm gonna crush him.

(01:16:29):
And he's running and he's running like almost straight at me.
I've got a great angle and he's running like this
and I'm running like that. I'm like, I'm gonna crush him.
The last second, right before about to him, he puts
his left foot, left foot in the ground and cuts
back this way, and I'm getting ready to just like
fall into the tackle and I turn and look, guess
who was running mock five at my face? That Russ

(01:16:52):
set up Mike Robinson, remember him, Penn State guy. He
he hit me. He hit me so hard that I
don't really I didn't even feel it. It wasn't a
dirty hit. He didn't me in the head. He just
hit me and I just crumpled to the ground. And
I remember like looking up and he just smiled at me,

(01:17:15):
and I was like, you got me. He's like, I know,
I know. So it was, uh, that was that was
you talked about like, welcome to the NFL, your rookie moment. Yeah,
that was one of them. And then we played, uh
played Tampa my rookie year at home. It was it
was we were up at the end of the game.

(01:17:36):
We were probably up six or seven points. They ran
a vertical ball, three verticals in cover four and I
was matched up on Vincent Jackson and Josh Freeman throws
his great back shoulder ball to him, and I thought
I had him covered in college. You you're close to him,
he's covered. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know what
a back shoulder ball was. And so I'm running with

(01:17:56):
him and then all of a sudden, he spins, he
opens up, and he puts his hands backside and he
catches this football. I was like, how that happened? Like
some of that stuff. You score a touchdown, they tied
it up, they go to overtime, we lose an overtime.
So it was just like one of those things where
you don't you're just naive, and then something happens in

(01:18:20):
a game and you're like, Oh, that's what they were,
that's what a back shoulder ball was. In that ball
I was. I mean, I felt like I was in
great position, but the ball was literally perfect. My awareness
was zero, and he just put it on his back shoulder.
Vincent Jackson opened up and caught that ball, and I
was like, that sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
So did you really not have a TV in your apartment?

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
You're rookie?

Speaker 7 (01:18:44):
That's so uh No, I had. I had everything I had.
What happened, So what happened? So what happened was so
it happened going into my the the room rumor was
going into my second year. I've moved apartments like and

(01:19:05):
ended end of July, so then you know, going into July,
you're going in the training camp for the first like
three or four weeks of the season, and I just
it was on the back burner for to set up cable.
I had my Internet set up, but I was like,
I don't need cable for this first like six eight
weeks because I'm never gonna be here. So I didn't
have it set up. And somehow one of my buddies

(01:19:25):
got wind of it and it just turned in this
It just turned into this whole thing. Where so that
came from one of your buddies somehow. Room, Yeah, it
came in the locker room, like hey, did you watch?
Like somebody's like, hey, you've been watching whatever. I was like, no,
I don't have I don't have the cable set up
in my teav in my in my apartment. Yet they're
like why not.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Was like I just moved.

Speaker 7 (01:19:44):
I didn't have time to set it up. Like we
just went to training camp, like not here very much anyway.
So when I get back from after training camp, I'll
get it set up. So that was like what had happened.
Everyone's like, you didn't have TV. I'm like, I'm not
a psychopath.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Very much.

Speaker 7 (01:19:59):
Frame like that, Yeah, which is I.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Just pictured you in a carpeted room with a blow
up mattress. Yeah, maybe a hyperbaric chamber.

Speaker 7 (01:20:06):
Yeah, just paper plates in a microwave and macaroni and
cheese and ramen microwave.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
It takes out too much nutrients for you. Yeah, there
it is right there. God, yeah, that that is one
of the things that like, look at just I mean,
that's an insane throwing cash.

Speaker 7 (01:20:22):
And then they went for two. They're down, they're down,
They're down eight. So then they got the two conversion afterwards,
and I ran into the goalposts and that was just
like insult the injury. Like I just got I just
got worked and I just got crushed by the post.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Watch this, look at my leg.

Speaker 7 (01:20:38):
God sucks. And then you turn around and then you
turn and then you look up and you're like, he
definitely caught it. And look at the official. It's like
he was waiting to do that to make sure you're
taking a peek for Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he scored.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Was like nobody touched that ball. Oh dang, look at me.

Speaker 7 (01:20:54):
I'm like, gosh, I suck.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Good hit flexibility though, Or was twenty one, so it
didn't really matter.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
The defensive Player Rookie of the Year though.

Speaker 7 (01:21:02):
But luckily they didn't see that play.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Yeah, but how awesome is that?

Speaker 7 (01:21:05):
It was cool? It was fun. I mean it was uh.
You just to have the opportunity to play like that
as much as I did as a rookie was so cool. Yeah,
in a great system. It was. That system was set
up for linebackers to just run around. It was cover three,
cover four, a little bit of man. We had really
good guys in front of us. Our defensive line was sick,

(01:21:28):
and they called plays that highlighted the linebackers. It was
Thomas and I. So John Beeson, I'll talk about who
I talk about, Like, so go back to college with
Hurzlik and Mike mcloffin, like great older veteran guys that
had no their pride never got in the way. They
were just there to help you. Mike Morrissey the guy
I talked about that new Ron and those guys were

(01:21:50):
so helpful. And then when I got to Carolina, it
was the same way. So when I got there, it
was James Anderson was coming off her career year, Beast
was coming back from an achilles All Pro Pro Bowl
or like the dude in the middle, like the stud.
And then Thomas was coming back from his thirty ACL
Thomas at full speed was what Thomas was for sixteen
years in the NFL, and then me, So there was

(01:22:12):
four of us. I was the rookie. BS and TD
were coming back from substantial injuries and achilles in an
ACL and then James excuse me, was gonna play obviously healthy,
had a great year coming off a good year. So
I remember I showed up my rookie one of my
first days there. TD comes in and he's like, hey,
I'm Thomas, here's my number.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Lock me in.

Speaker 7 (01:22:32):
You need anything, let me know. And I was like,
that's just an older guy coming in and like checking
a box and doing all this stuff. But it was
he was the best helpful talk to you through things,
taught you stuff, where to who to talk to to,
you know, chiropractors, where to just where to do everything
in Charlotte. He was fantastic. How to practice, how to

(01:22:54):
be tough, how to play hurt like all that stuff.
And then Beasts was be Scott hurt p Scott put
on IR. I think after the Atlanta game, my rookie
heear which was like week or week two or three,
and so then I slid from outside linebacker to inside
linebacker at Mike Beast's spot. And all Beasts ever did
was help me. Sat next to me in meetings, talk
to me, watch tape with me. Hey, this is how

(01:23:16):
I this is how I played cover two, and this
is why this is what my eyes looked like. There
was never there was never any sense of like you're
playing Mike your first round pick, like I'm hurt. I've
been hurt two years in a row. Maybe there was
never like I'm worried about my job. It was how
can I help you? So I think you know, I

(01:23:37):
was always very fortunate to have guys like that through
my football career high school, college and then Beasts and
Thomas and James and a guy named Jordan Sen who
was played with us for a long time. He was
like a could play all three spots, big time teamer,
but was very and smart, very intelligent, great with his body.
He sat right next to me in the locker room

(01:23:58):
and he would just all he ever did was just
helped me. So I just great coach with Ron and
mcdee was a decordinator and then those guys around me,
it was like a perfect situation.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Dude, TD had a hell of a career and able
to come back and play the way.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
And I met him out at one of the NFL
one of the NFL p A meetings, and this dude
just see like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Burger and fries and that's rever. He sits that, he
sits there. I'm like, hey, are you eating like this
throughout the season. He's like, Oh, I eat whatever I
want all the time. Buddy, How in the fuck do
you do that?

Speaker 7 (01:24:30):
I think some of those guys like that's just they're
more that's just what they're their best at. Like this
is what he plays, this is what he's how his
body reacts the best, and that's what he's gonna do.
But his like six inch snap was he was so fast,
so explosive snap, ultra physical and just a great guy

(01:24:52):
to watch as far as how to do things.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Just a dangerous linebacker, just.

Speaker 7 (01:24:58):
Tough, high f ultra competitive, you know, like all those
things that require no athletic ability. It's all like decisions,
like you know, you are what you are athletically you are,
how high weight, speed, whatever you make a decision, how
tough you are, how physically you are, how hard you play,
and how much it matters to you, Like those are

(01:25:18):
things that you control, and he was it was great
to see that from an older guy as a young guy, like,
these are non negotiables that you make the decision when
you walk on the field, you're gonna do it a
certain way.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Yeah, it sounds like a great leadership. Yeah, walking and
helping you out on that. Yeah, that's unreal. When you
you obviously there's such a conversation revolved around you about
like calling out plays and the game. Did you already
have that capability to break down film or did those
guys were they a big part of teaching you that stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:25:45):
So I was fortunate in high school. Our high school
coach would bring us down to his office during lunch
and he'd put on a VHS tape and we'd eat
lunch down there and he'd put the tape on. The
tape would just run and we could like rewind it
if we wanted to. But then you don't really understand
why you're doing that until you know you're in the
game and you're like, oh, I saw that and when

(01:26:08):
we were watching tape with coach, and usually it's after
the fact, so it's like very like retrospective, but you
start to figure out, like oh, I can get a
real advantage by watching tape. So we kind of did
that in high school. And then I got to college
and there's a guy, another guy, Wes Davis. He was
a safety California guy, super smart, intelligent, big tape guy.

(01:26:28):
So when you get to college, you know, it's like
you can you can watch whatever you want. You can
sort it however you want to watch it, personnel formation
down a distance, you know how it is, whatever you want.
So I go in there and I'm like, this is
too much for me to hand. I got to figure
out how to do this. So I would go watch
tape with Wes. This is as a freshman, and you know,
Wes would be in there and he'd be like, all right,

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he imagine we're playing Cover four and you get this
like how you play in it. So you start to
figure out, all right, I can match my call up
with the play so when I watch, when I watch tape,
I can envision myself in that situation. So that was
kind of like the first step. And then the second
step would be Wes would be in meetings and say,
all right, he's like this this gives us problems and
Cover three and in my head I'm like, I don't

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really know what that means, but like sure, so he'd
be like, this is why it gives us problems. He's like,
if I see this look in a game, I'm gonna
let you know and then we'll just kind of play
it like this, you know, you kind of play the
play a little bit, and he's like, all right, I'm
gonna give you heads up in the game when we're
gonna get it. He's like, I'm gonna tell you when
I play it a certain way, and we'll being good Jhape.
I was like, all right, great. So then comes up

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in a game, Wes gives me like a nod and
I'm like, hey, I like give him nod back, Hey,
what's up? And the play would happened and I would
just be aloof and he'd be like, I gave you
a nod. I was like, I gave you one back.
He's like no, that was what was So then just slowly,

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over time, you're like, Okay, now I understand why he's
watching tape. So you watch tape, you understand situations, and
you pick stuff up and you accumulate knowledge, and over
time you just understand like this is how teams really
want to run the football. This is how it matches
up against our defense. These are the top formations. I mean,
you know how it is. It's like if it's two

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by two and the tight ends on the line of scrimmers,
their top roun concepts are probably this, this, and this right.
And once you know that, then it's like, all right,
So if we're in an overfront and they run that
first run play and we're in this defense, who's gonna
block me? Okay, this guy's gonna block me? All right?
Say they run the other play and this same defense,

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same front. Boom, this, Now this guy's gonna block me.
And you go through that, and then when practice rolls around,
you get it. And then when the game rolls around,
it's like, all right, here's my formation, here's my my
call on defense. This is how we're lined up. The
ball gets snapped, I get my one read from whoever
I'm reading. Boom, Now I know who's gonna block me.
I know where the ball is gonna go. I have
to beat that guy in the run game whoever's gonna

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block me, and then I'm clean to the football. You know,
one guy's blocking you on each play. So if I
know top run concepts. I know how it fits within
our defense. I know where I line, I know where
my stressers are. The ball gets snapped, I read boom.
Now I know who's gonna block me. Now I haven't.
Now I already have a plan of attack on how
I'm gonna get after him before the ball gets snapped.
So then you're playing the game before the ball gets snapped,
and then everything just slows down as the ball gets snapped.

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So I love it was just because you got to like,
you know what is you gotta This is a bad
play right here. So I remember exactly this play. So
Andy Gallax, the center, you guys ran. It was like
a split zone. Look split zone. Hang on, we're in
man coverage and we're in it's an in and.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Out, so safety down here.

Speaker 7 (01:29:37):
Yeah, So TD and I are like the in and
out guys. So my guy goes back across the formation
at the tight end. I got to fall back in
a pass in pass game, but if it's a run,
I gotta stay front side. So it was a run.
I see the guy go back across the formation. I
fall back, and this ball stays front side, and look
where it hits. I get blocked by I think Andy Gallax.
The center is a BC guy looks where it gets hit,

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probably right where it should be. Kind of a disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Who's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:30:04):
Yeah, so disaster. This is a touchdown. I mean Dexter
mccluster on this touchdown here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
So was it twenty fifteen? Yeah, we were bad then too.
How would you three and thirteen year for us?

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
How did your prep develop? Like in the league? Like
are you are how are you breaking down each day
like on Monday? Or you first second down?

Speaker 7 (01:30:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Run?

Speaker 7 (01:30:24):
So like Monday was so you know, Monday, you come in,
you get a workout, flush, watch the watch the game
from the night before and kind of our day before whatever,
make your corrections. And then I'd always watched two first
halves of the team that we were playing and just
get like general feel. And I always feel like first
halves were better because you got to you got to

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feel for who they were. So I think about or
like think about like, say we're watching We're watching the Titans,
and I watched the whole game. Maybe in the second half,
you guys are up big, and so now you guys
are running the ball a little bit more. Maybe the
past game is not as aggressive. They're different than what
they want to be coming out VERSU in the first half,
like your first fifteen, your first probably twenty five plays

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or things that you guys have really thought about, your
top concept stuff like that. So I'd watch two first
halfs and just get a feel for like, you know,
what do they look like up front? You know, are
they like For example, we play the Falcons, right, Alex
Mack like big, athletic, smart range, really good player, Like damn,
I got my work cut out for this guy. And

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then you go, you know, in the backfield, it was
Tevin Coleman. He's like big, kind of a slasher, like
one cut wide zone type guy. Devonte Freeman is like
a little bit of shake good burst, could run physical,
not a real big guy, but gets lost and like
is a firm really good. I thought he was really
good and if he could speed you up, slowly down,

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run through you. And then you look on the outside
of Austin Hooper was the tight end, and then it
was like Roddy White and Julio Jones. You're like, all right, boom,
So like this is how they look up front, this
is what they like in the backfield, Like you know,
we play the Falcons. You don't really need to watch
Matt a whole lot because you got a really good
feel for we played them twice a year's he's Matt Ryan.

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You know, you know you to take a ton of
notes on that, but you get a feel for all right,
Kyle Shanahan, wide zone shifts and motions. They're going to
try to get you in a compromise position and want
to run the ball to the bubble. So that's Monday,
and just it's like click through, like click through stuff
real quick Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Are you a big notes guy or are you just notes?

Speaker 7 (01:32:25):
Because that helps me if I write it, then it
helps me remember.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
And this Monday, you're not necessarily you know, you're just
feeling the game. Yeah, feeling the process.

Speaker 6 (01:32:32):
Of the game.

Speaker 7 (01:32:32):
Yeah, and feel them and like I'll write down some
notes like if they've got a dude that I'm not
used to playing against, or I haven't seen a lot
of them, Like this is like offensive line moves really well.
Center fifty one is a really good player running backs.
This is how these guys feel because I always felt
like with running backs, if you don't play against them
a lot, you don't know how they like feel on

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contact and I didn't like that, Like I want to
know early in the game, how do you feel you
firm like stuff like that, And I felt like that
was one thing that I always wanted to watch during
the week is how do they run? How do they
take contact? Do they like contact?

Speaker 6 (01:33:07):
Like?

Speaker 7 (01:33:08):
Are they a stiff arm guy? They what do they
like doing? Because then in the game you gotta have
a plan. I mean, you'll play Marshawn Lynch. You can't
just like run in there and I hope you're gonna
get them on the ground. So then I would take
light notes on that and just get a feel because mentally,
I was like, Monday was a day where I'm like
I need to kind of break it up a little bit.
So if I took a ton of notes, I'm like
this is just too much mentally. So then Tuesday you

(01:33:30):
come in, hit a little workout, and then I'd watch
run games. So our coaches did a good job of
breaking down run game based on like formation, down in distance,
excuse me, top concepts, and then I would go and
highlight like four games and then you know, you can
sort everything, so i'd sort it by like personnel. It's

(01:33:50):
like all right, I want to I want to see
all their twelve personnel runs, and then like, how do
they run the ball to twelve personnel? So three by
one is it two by two? Do they like running
twelve personnel and putting the tight the tight end in
the backfield because if so, now it turns into like
two back run versus like if they're in a wing
or double like ace both on the line of scrimmage.

(01:34:10):
Now it's like one back runs twelve. Yeah, so it's
like a completely different concept. So I want to know
what they do. And then I would break it down
by like personnel, group, then formation, and then top concepts
inside the formation. I'd take notes on all those and
just chart it, cause like it took a lot of time,
but I felt like if I could write it down
then I would remember it better. So then and by Tuesday,

(01:34:32):
I usually had I usually had the game plan like
first second Hald game plan. So then I'd watch all
that chart everything, watch those games, and then i'd watch
a full game after that and then see how it fits.
So like when do they run it? Like when are
they eleven? When are they twelve? What are they like
doing out of thirteen? When do they do it in
a game, and like what's the game flow? And then

(01:34:53):
you could call I could call defenses within that, within
that watching that game, so you know first and ten
the first quarter, Like all right, I was gonna play
cover three, So line up and cover three, see my overfront,
See where I gotta line, see where rotation is, and
then kind of go through it that way, and then
you know, just kind of buzz through it like that.
So then you get a feel for how they want

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to run the ball out of formations. You get a
good feel for what they are, and then you see
how it applies to the game and how they get
to stuff. And then I can apply our first and
second down game plan to that and just run through that.
And then Wednesday after practice, I do the same thing
but with first and second down pass. So break it
down the same way and see how the run game

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matches with pass.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Game, what conflicts you could potentially what.

Speaker 7 (01:35:42):
Conflicts, And then like you start to figure out like
are they a formation based team in the sense of
do they run plays, run plays and pass plays out
of formations? So regardless of what the personnel is, like
if it's three by one wing, they could run that
at eleven, they could run it at twelve, they could
run out of thirteen. They could run it at ten
if they wanted. But it's the same run concept and

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they're just looking for the best matchup within personnel groupings
that run that run play. Or are they a personnel
group team where in eleven these are their top five
run concepts, and then in twelve they want to run this,
and then thirteen they start getting heavy. It's like short yarders.
They're gonna play too heavy a wing and a backside
tight end and it's going to be like load power
counter O. Why three poolers going somewhere? Or are they just,

(01:36:26):
like I said, a formation based team. So then as
the week goes on, you get a feel for what
this team wants to do, why they want to do it,
how they get to it. Are they a shift motion team?
Do they build sets? Because the only thing that matters
in football is what's the final formation? So are they
stagnant or they line up in three by one and
then shift to two by two and then motion this
guy across to three by one. I don't care about

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any of that. I just want to know results. What's
the final result of the formation. Is what I want
to get to and how they do it. So when
the game comes around, you're not like, oh, well it's
three by one. But I didn't anticipate them get into it.
Like no, I already knew that there gonna be a
heavy shift, heavy motion. My brain's already turned onto it.
So when they get to when they start to move, guys,

(01:37:07):
it's like I've already prepared myself for this. Yeah, and
then third down you just watch it by you know,
down the distance, and then watch watch another game. And
so he kind of would all ties together and then
Friday was red Zone and special. So like if we
were playing you know cal or Alvin Kamara, like you

(01:37:28):
can get a lot of matchups one on one of them.
If we play man coverage like I don't, I don't
like that matchup.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
You'll be able to get the rat in this situation or.

Speaker 7 (01:37:35):
Like and if I get put in a bad situation,
I need to have a plan of attack of like
does he like moving off their certain foot, how does
he stem? Where does he get uncomfortable? Where does his
move area out of the backfield? Where does he like going?
And then so when you get in that situation, if
it's man, You're like, all right, Like he's a better

(01:37:55):
athlete than me. He's gonna probably make me miss a bunch.
But like, here's my plan of attack that I've thought
about on Friday. So when it comes around in the game,
you're like, all right, I'm good, Like, yeah, this is
my plan of attack, and like I feel good about it,
and I'm going to go attack him and if it works, great,
If not, like I feel good about what I did
going into the game.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Yeah, how big of a role did the TV copy? Love?

Speaker 7 (01:38:16):
TV copy?

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Yeah? The TV copy is that where you found their
checks and oh yes and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (01:38:21):
So you just I would just watch like the All
twenty two and then anytime the quarterback comes to the
line of scrimmage, you turn on the TV copy and
see what you got. Everything that he says. You got
to listen to it and write it down, and then
you got to check it a few times. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
Do you remember any teams that were changing their verbiage
because they essentially knew that they were playing against you?

Speaker 7 (01:38:43):
No, if I didn't, if I didn't, if I didn't
know a word, I never guessed. But like you always
have to. It's always just like it's a NTD. It
was probably like salt pepper. Yeah, I tell you, yeah,
Salt and pepper. So that was was using the Super Bowl,
and I thought Salt was left and pepper was right

(01:39:04):
because salt is and pepper was right.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Because they had and white black. They had the background
there in a black line background when they had salt, Salt, Salt, Hey,
you're white.

Speaker 7 (01:39:14):
Hey, they got me fucking my head.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
It looks like hey.

Speaker 11 (01:39:17):
Lived something on the same page with you because inside
inside that game, So inside the game, they said like
Tiger and Paradis.

Speaker 7 (01:39:30):
Matt Paradis was the center and he and he said
Tiger Tiger, and one of the offensive linemen was like
huh and he said Tiger er. I was like, ah,
you're going to the right. So I took that forward
to salt and Pepper, and I remember having an argument
with TD about it, and we get in the sideline
and I'm like, I don't know why they called pepper
and they and they went to you. I was on

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the right side or whatever, the left side. They're right,
and he's like, no, you missed the whole thing. Salt,
you're white, Pepper. I was like, ah, it makes sense
now even the crafty Oh my gosh, it's so funny man.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
So I mean, yeah, there's definitely like a crazy amount
of you calling out those plays, Like what do you
think your batting percentage was on those?

Speaker 7 (01:40:17):
I think if you feel good about it, Like I
remember we played Tampa in twenty fifteen and they had
a toss play. It was Tulsa, and I remember we
were it was a check they talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
We were.

Speaker 7 (01:40:31):
It was like on a third down maybe, and we
were all mugged up. So Thomas and I were both
mugged up. We had a safety mugged up, so we
were you know, if they had and they had a
they had a front side bunch and so if they
if you just downbock pin and pool off, the ball
defenders that are supposed to make the play are never
going to get there. It's like throwing a screen out

(01:40:52):
of a mug, look like a wide receiver screen. And
I remember he gets there and James comes up and
looks around and he's like, all, we got double mug.
All these guys in the line of scrimmage safeties down
showing off the backside, the rotational guy and the nickel
showing up because it's a bunch because he's got to
press the point and he checks Tulsa and I'm like,
oh my gosh, perfect yeah, and said we pull we

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pull everybody out and bump everyone plus everyone front side.
Just totally get out of the blitz. We're supposed to
be dropping defensive tackles. It was like a sim pressure
and we just told all the defense I'm like, go,
don't drop. It's a run, it's a toss. Go And
one of the guys, I think Jared Allen made the

(01:41:36):
tackle and I just I was so happy. It's like
it all works.

Speaker 6 (01:41:40):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:41:40):
You get that one play, get that one play you
make based on film, and you just like, yeah, it's
all worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Yeah, you know, all the preparation was worth it for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:41:48):
And TD was great at that. TD watched a ton
of tape too, so we had to get a little
combo when.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
You get to those games, the amount of preparation you
put in, knowing like the album Kamara, when you're like this,
I'm gonna attack him. So I know regardless, like my
process has been correct.

Speaker 7 (01:42:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Did you have nerves before the games or was it
like the barn Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:42:06):
I was always nervous. Yeah, like you want to You
always want to get in the flow as fast as
you can of the game. And the longer you're out
of the flow of the game, the less you feel
like you're a part of the game. So you can
prepare all you want, but you you want to get
into the flow of the game as quickly as you can.
And if you're not in the flow, you feel like

(01:42:29):
you're floating, and I hate that. So you're always nervous
to go in the game because you don't know. Each
game feels different, like it feels different from you know,
the surface is different, how the team you play is different,
the coordinators are different, how they want to attack you
is different, the players are different, the run game is different.
Like everything feels different each game, and you were always

(01:42:51):
like I don't know about nervous or you're anxious to
like feel feel the game and be and feel like
you're a part of the game. And until you do that,
you're kind of like, damn, like I need to need
to get in there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
You need to get in there, need to feel someone.

Speaker 7 (01:43:04):
Neither like a little action early in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
With with that thought process, was it better for you
in your mind? To go three and out your first
defensive drive like oh boys, we got three and out,
or like a nine eight nine play gritty drive where
maybe they come out points, but like you know the kid,
this next drive, I'm gonna I feel like I'm immersed
in this game now, So I feel a whole lot better.

Speaker 7 (01:43:21):
I think it depends on if you get if you
get a piece of something early.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Yeah, like you got to get a piece of something,
Like if.

Speaker 7 (01:43:28):
You make a good tackle, like on first or second
or third down, or like first or second down, you
make a you make a good play like around the
line of scrimmage in the run game, you're like, all right,
I got like kind.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Of first out the way.

Speaker 7 (01:43:38):
I'm good, or like you get to like you make
a good play on third down you get a stop
or off the field in like a three and out,
or you know, you just you're in the mix, or
like you feel to say they're on power and you
like you like stick a guard and you force a guard,
You're like, all right, I'm in good shape. But if
it's like pass toss run away incomplete on third down,
you're still like like itch in a little bit. Yeah,

(01:44:01):
you need to get like you need to get You
need to get a piece of something.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Yea to feel somebody. Yeah, talk about the pain from
from the Super Bowl? Yeah, and have you forgiven Cam
Newton for not jumping on that phone? Oh my gosh.

Speaker 7 (01:44:12):
It was. The further you get away from it, the
more you appreciate it. Like how special that year was,
how much fun we had, how good our locker room was,
Like all the games that we played in that were
so fun that the city of Charlotte was awesome. Like
the media coverage of that season. In the locker room,
it was like anybody that was anybody reporter wise, was

(01:44:35):
in the locker room every week. We didn't lose a
game until Christmas. We played on Thursday, we played, Yeah,
here you go. Played on Thursday night in Jerry World
down in Dallas on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
Oh buddy, I'm sorry interrupted. Yeah, that was my favorite
game to watch of you.

Speaker 7 (01:44:54):
I'm like, I'm like, you're like a proud father and
I'm your son. It's like you got like super comfortable
because we'll talk to the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
He usually has a dim light on it, so it's
nice to see him light up with the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
Just as a backer and appreciating and respecting the game
that we played, like watching getting to watch that Thursday
night football game, because again, you're not like watching everybody
else like when you're playing on Sundays, but knowing that
you had there was dedicated time like on holidays, to
where it's like, oh, these teams are playing today and
watching you against the Cowboys those two those two picks
you had back to back. I've sat there and I

(01:45:27):
was trying to get everybody in the room enthralled, like,
do you guys understand what just happened? You being a
Tampa two player and them trying to run you out,
clear you out for that deep dagger by one and
you coming down to pick it off after you already
have your responsibility taken care of.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
That is art. Oh you're coming back, coming back.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
The next series and knowing you're in a cover four
responsibility with wit as the tight end and they're trying
you over the top without any safety help and you
picking that ball off, getting your head around.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
That's art. And I just want you to know that.

Speaker 7 (01:46:00):
Hang around me and talk me up a little more.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Obviously, you have all the all the accomplishments in the world,
but just like some of those plays and you just
talking through Tulsa knowing you're mugged up and everything else.
I appreciate the art that you put on display.

Speaker 7 (01:46:12):
Was it was, I appreciate that this.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Hey yeah, sorry, I'm getting rid this right now. But
these plays right here, boys like you guys need to
lock in.

Speaker 7 (01:46:19):
The guy that made the play was Thomas. So we
were in a sim pressure So basically what was supposed
to happen is TD was supposed to blitz and we
were supposed to drop the defensive end to the field.
So Romo saw the pressure, so he's like, all right,
the hook player. It was just sim pressure Cover three.
The hook player is a defensive end, so I'm gonna

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throw this dig right behind the defensive end. So Romo,
Romo checks protection, swings everything, and so Thomas is like,
do we need to get out of this? They're just
push protection. To me, it's a bad matchup. So he checked.
Thomas looks at him as like, hey, we need to
check cover two. I was like, all right, cool, let's
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
So who's the green dot?

Speaker 7 (01:47:01):
I did, But Thomas and I and like Roman and
Kirk Coleman, it was like, it's just a discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
It's a discussion. Crazy that you guys have enough time
to have a discussion as well. That's wild.

Speaker 7 (01:47:11):
TD and I had like a hey, he's like he
just miked it. You want to go to cover too?
And I was like you want to He's like yeah.
I was like a right, cool, check cover too, So
like you've got time. And then this play is like
one of those plays that you talked about. You always
want to get this play in cover two and it
never works out that way, like either you're a backside
hook player or you're blitzing, or it's man coverage, and

(01:47:34):
it's just one of those plays where it's just right place,
right time, like it happened and you're taking a shot.
Oh yeah, you're like you're you're you're trust look at
look at Whitney's Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
He's wide open. But again you're trusting your you're trusting.
Can you go back to the top of the play.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
And a lot of it starts too with it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
You starting high and trusting that all right, Romo's went
through this progression and where now I'm going to take
a shot and leave the middle of the field to
go pick off.

Speaker 7 (01:47:59):
And then stagger the other thing is so Bene ben
Wickery is playing, he's on our corners, he's playing at
the I think the same at the bottom of the screen.
If you don't get a good jam on that guy,
then I can't see the release. So the release by
one if he inside releases and you get a clear
out and then a sit Look at the jam. Do
you see the jam by Bene. So the jam slows
it down? Yeah, he gets the good jam, pushes him

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inside and puts those two guys on levels and slows
him down. So the procression for Romo is slower, so
he doesn't get to dot that ball when he wants to.
But I get to see inside release by one. I
can see the sit by two. And then once he
puts his foot in the ground, I'm all right, I'm clean,
Like I'm good because I know that once his inside release,
his company's probably gonna run an cut and that's going

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to push Roman to.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
That over right, So then you're like all right.

Speaker 7 (01:48:46):
But then you, like you said, you're kinda you're kind
of taking like a calculated chance.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Yeah, so is as the mic backer you have the
middle of the field.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
Yeah, Tampa two, you got a bailout and you're deep yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
In his backs to the quarterback. So again he's taking
like a calculated wrist just coming out of the middle
of the field. And so funny the whole player, you
know's it's like you're jumping the fat lady when the
pretty ones behind him.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
Why at that point are you like, Okay, I'm safe
because you know your safety is now coming back over
the top to help you out.

Speaker 7 (01:49:16):
And you kind of know you kind of know where
that ball is meant to be thrown. The ball is
meant to be thrown to the dig got you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
So like his romo in his mind is still thinking,
you guys are in a simulator PRESSU where the end's
going to drop, and that guy's covering him.

Speaker 7 (01:49:26):
I think he probably knows at this point that we're not.
I just think he probably is like, all I got,
I got Tampa, the the hook player jumped the little
in and out route, the whip route, So I'm just
gonna throw it behind right, So I had a little
bit more time to kind of field out because Bene
got such a good jam he slowed the progress. That
guy really got him inside. So like it's it's one

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of those things like you don't just make the play
by yourself. Really good jam, We had really good pressure
that whole that whole game. We hit him a bunch,
so like that clock gets sped up, and then Thomas
great awareness him of like getting out of that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Yeah, you have incredible quarterback answers of shouting.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
Out the team for the entire course.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
I mean because right, it's like when what Romo scene,
It is like he knows as the hook player sitting there,
He's like, oh, this is a one hundred out of one hundred,
I'm gonna hit this clear, hit this dig over because
you can.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
See right here, even with you covering the stableway like
that almost seems a little open to me. But he's
right here. Yeah, and that where him he's like, oh,
there's no one because he's expecting you to still go.

Speaker 7 (01:50:24):
Up because because avoid in the middle of the field
and Nickel is moving out towards that whip, so that
ball is supposed to get thrown between the numbers in
the hash right that dig it's the dig window. So
he's like, I'm in good shape, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Yeah, And I'm sure we're not able to show the
screen like during the YouTube, So anybody that's curious as
Tony Romo throws an interception to Luke Keekley looked at
play up.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Yeah, you'll be able to show still, Yeah, because that
is that is art, Like that's the beauty, that's the
game within the game. That kind of like people will
see and like, wow, Luke is amazing. But for you
to like give us what TD was saying, the the
jam all that like that is that's good football. Eleven
guys getting Yeah, you know we had time. He bumped

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him and put him inside and gave me more time.
It's like this is happening in four seconds, yes, which
is just so crazy because you're not supposed to be
anywhere near that ball when it's thrown.

Speaker 7 (01:51:19):
Yeah, it's just it's just all it's quil It just
all fits it like all fits together.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
You know, was there And I hate to bring this
up again. Any chatter about Cam Newton not jumping on
that fumble. Honestly, no no one ever said, No one
ever whispered, no, his.

Speaker 7 (01:51:35):
His toughness. We never questioned it. The guy never never complained.
It's the first guy in every day. He worked so hard,
never never yelled at guys, never threw guys under the bus.
Like you talk about a dude that just all he
wants to do is play football, and it's just that
was just a bad game for us. We just didn't play.
We didn't play our best game.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
The Seeing Cam Newton on the field, there's a there's
like a few guys Calvin Johnson comes to mind, but
seeing Cam Newton dressing on the field, he looks creative player. Yeah,
he's like an action figure out.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
He's like all of six five. Everybody, well, he's taller
than six five. We saw him at Power Slap and
he was eye to eye with me. I feel like
he was taller. Must get that he's got that.

Speaker 7 (01:52:19):
He's like, he's like he's like seven ft tall with
all that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Yeah, no doubt he's not getting any rides. But that's
interesting you say that because the way he's portrayed in
the media is that like he's a cat that seems
like a very much an eye guy. Well that like
when he's when he's on ESPN, he said I would
rather have my MVP trophy than a Super Bowl trophy.
I'm not getting that same vibe as I'm getting from you.
Were like, he's would you give up your defensive player
of the years for that super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (01:52:45):
Yeah, the super Bowl is like the Mecca.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Man, Yeah, you.

Speaker 7 (01:52:49):
Know, that's all you want, just want to win a
super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
But he looked at you like you were dumb right there?

Speaker 7 (01:52:55):
Tell you what toughness, competitiveness, love of the game of
football of the Carolina Panthers, like Cam just tough. You
never questioned is he going to play hard? Like you
never question that. You might question like what is he
gonna wear? But the dude competed, He played so hard,

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loves football.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
Just tough and competitive, and it just it also clearly
he knew what was going on. But it's like that
what is it that clip of that play where somebody's
trying to call out something, somebody's trying to call somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
What you're trying to do? Yeah, oh you like that?
Watch this?

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
Oh that was Clay Macaulay's watched that wil you watch
film toot.

Speaker 7 (01:53:39):
And he threw that ball to McCaffrey. But it's interesting.
So Cam, it's like he he can he remembers like everything.
So they had to signal him and Greg had a
signal for like it's like a route that he ran,
and Cam's like, hey, dude, like we got to switch
it up. We've run this too many times, like everybody
knows what it is. And Greg's like, all right, what

(01:54:01):
do you want it to be? And Cam's like, ah,
I don't know. We did this like four years ago
and against Atlanta and it was like the third quarter,
and you know it was like ten minutes ago in
the game and ten minutes to going third quarter and
I gave you like this signal like I don't know,
that's cool, we just want to do that. Greg's like whatever, yeah,
And like I like went and looked it up and

(01:54:22):
I was like whoa, Like he was spot on. He
was like pretty dagone close. Yeah. So, but him and
Greg had a really good connection. Like Greg has such
a great feel for you know, space and timing and
windows and just he had he was really good at
a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Great.

Speaker 7 (01:54:40):
He was big, he'd catch everything, could run, block, never
came off the field. But he had such a good
feel for like where to be, how to get there,
how to stem guys. Like he was so good at that.
And Cam and him had such a great connection that
they could just kind of look at each other and
they both knew what was going on. They'd line up
in this set. It was a three by one set,
so Greg they called it one by three. Gray was

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backside and you could line up and cover three or
cover four. It didn't matter. It was basically man because
it was just Greg in a corner or of safety
by themselves and they just look at each other and
figure it out. And it was really cool to watch.
But a lot of it was just Cam's super smart
remembers everything tough, competitive, and it was fun to watch

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him and Greg play.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
With each other. How was it being in the mix
of the Odell Beckham and Josh Norman.

Speaker 7 (01:55:26):
Oh my gosh, that was like peak Josh Norman.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:55:30):
Yeah, And that was part of Josh's game. I remember
when we played Dallas, him and Des are going at
it the whole game, and that was part of Josh's game.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
And you know.

Speaker 7 (01:55:43):
It was we were in it and they let and
I'll tell you what, they let those guys play a
little bit until there was a couple. There was like
one or two instances where like they had to separate them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Odell went had to have missile shot.

Speaker 7 (01:55:56):
Was that that one wasn't great? But that Josh was
another guy. Josh great feel great, feel smart, unbelievable ball
skills in ultra competitive, ultra competitive, so that was a
great matchup for them. Josh played fantastic that year. Josh
was exactly what we needed in our defense, like long rangey,

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great ball skills, could compete competitive. He was really good
and that that was an interesting game. We were up
a million points and they came all the way back.
Odell actually caught a ball there at the end of
the game to tie it up, and then Cam went
down and I'm going to kick the field would win it.
But it was like we were there there, Josh and
I having good chat here.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Tried tell him to keith his cool.

Speaker 7 (01:56:41):
I hey, keep doing you man.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
Yeah, we had him at Washington. He's his ability to
punch the ball out, the Peanut punch.

Speaker 7 (01:56:48):
He learned it from Peanut, So Josh Josh was always
around the ball. Then Peanut came in twenty fifteen and
Josh was like his Josh, I think saw that and
He's like like, I can do that, and he just
had It's a timing thing, you know, It's a timing thing.
It's an opportunity to think. It was just really good

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at it. So yeah, he was at Peanut was awesome.
You talk about a teammate, Oh my gosh, great teammate,
Peanut Tillman, Oh my gosh, I love that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
You guys had some fucking dogs that.

Speaker 7 (01:57:22):
Super Bowl year, so it was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
I mean you you always Jared Allen to like him.

Speaker 7 (01:57:27):
Yeah, we had Jared Allen and Peanut that in at
twenty fifteen year, and then Romanse came in. I remember
the first time I met Pep.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
I was like, oh my gosh, Yeah, he is a monster.

Speaker 7 (01:57:37):
He's big, but he's very He's proportional, so like when
you see him from a distance, you're like, oh, he's
big because he's so proportional, and the closer you get
to him, you're like, oh, yeah, it's pretty stout.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
I was so happy when we played, y'all, and he
was I think he went back right, he played, and
then he went to the Packers.

Speaker 7 (01:57:57):
They played us at fifteen, he was in, he was
Green Bay. So he went Carolina, Chicago and then Green
Bay and then at the end he came back.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
To us because when he that was like his last year, right.

Speaker 7 (01:58:08):
His last two years drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
His last two years. So when we played, I mean
he put his hand in the dirt. I'm looking at
my form and his forum. I'm like, this is not
something we're not playing the same game. Him an equal,
but he was in that he was in that mode
of I'm gonna pick and choose my shots to kind
of win, to really go hard. But he was like
playing the game and it was love. Just I was
so happy.

Speaker 7 (01:58:27):
I'm just so talented man.

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
Yeah, him and guys like Sugs too, like just kind
of like understood the game at a level where they
knew when it was time to turn it on and
not on. That older age was just so cool to see.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
So then another guy that was a freaking athlete, Shack Thompson. Shack,
so we're mentioning all those vets and yeah, Shaq Thompson
had the ability to he had a lot of range.

Speaker 7 (01:58:48):
Oh my gosh. So it was interesting. They bring Shack
in and he played running back, linebacker, safety at Washington
and we bring him in and Thomas was playing well,
I was playing. Mike's so like, there's not a ton
of room. But we're like, we need to get this
guy on the field because he's so talented. He does
everything well and he was super smart from the day

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he got there, Like you tell him at one time,
he got it. And there's guys that can like memorize,
and there's guys that just have great feel for the
game of football and how to play in competitive and effort.
Shack showed up in the day that he got there.
He had all of that, and so we need to
find a way to get him on the field. So
we would play him at nickel and we called it

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Buffalo and it was just like a it was just
a package we had. It was like a big nickel,
so we could play all of our nickel calls but
have a bigger body in there so we could like
blitz him. We could play five down with him on
the line of scrimmage, we could play zone coverage, so
then there was really no matchup issues. But we were
able to get him on the field and highlight what
he was able to do, and it was just awesome.

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And he's a great and he's a great. He took
so much pride and being the young because our room
was good. So it was like Thomas aj Klein was
a really.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
Good player because he was a fourth rounder that yeah,
he was Iowa State kid.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
Was he twenty thirteen?

Speaker 7 (02:00:10):
Thirteen year.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
Yeah, he was my year because he sat behind you.
But anytime like you would be down and he'd come in,
he'd light it up like he got to go on
and take a contract to get bigger money. Yeah with
New Orleans, right, yeah, with New Orleans.

Speaker 7 (02:00:21):
So Aj would play, Shaq would play, but our room
was like established older guys, and he came in and
it was like his mission, like I'm not going to
let any of you guys down. So like that's how
he prepared, that's how he practiced. So he's played special teams,
never complained ever, just a good guy that like got it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:41):
So he's got a great career.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
Yeah, fires Mal, you guys did have just a hell
of a room. Yeah, I'm sure like Aj, you know,
you just got to be itching to get on the
field at times, like playing behind somebody like yourself or
just knowing you're not going to be seeing the field
unless an injury or something like that happens. Because Aj
was a stud at Iowa State. And again anytime he
came in during extint that you'd be out, like he'd
light it up like he was a hell of a
middle linebacker.

Speaker 7 (02:01:03):
Yeah, I'll tell you what you give those guys a
lot of credit too, because he was like the the
first guy in wherever. So if his needed to be Will,
he could play Will. If he needed to play Mike,
he could play Mike. If you were playing you know,
three backers in like a bass, look, he could play Sam.
And you know, you don't get reps at practice, right,
Like you don't get any So he had to show

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up in lock in and meetings and go to practice
and you know, do his thing there and then go
run down on teams and then oh hey, somebody, Hey,
Luke's out, Like go play Mike backer, all right. Well,
and that next week TD's out, Lukes backing, all right?
Now you get to go play Will backer. And it's
like it never he never lost a step or like
had a mental blip. He's just it's impressive like those

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guys that are able to do that at a high level.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
Yeah, dude, what was so fascinating to me is watching
your career and like when when you started like four
or five six are to sustain a couple of injuries,
your ability to kind of take your head out of
it but still be so productive. How did how is
that like transition for you? Because it seemed, at least
from me on film. Obviously, Okay, this guy's not putting
his face in as much, but he's still finding ways

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to manipulate blocks and be just as productive.

Speaker 7 (02:02:11):
Which you kind of nailed it. Like you the older
you get like you physically you slow down, right, but
it's like like physically you slow down, but like mentally
you you learn more.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
Yeah, you passed your physical ability with mental ability.

Speaker 7 (02:02:23):
Yes, So then you're like, all right, I don't need
to I don't need to go smash that guy. Like
I know where his point of attack angles, I know
where mine is. Can I speed him up? Can I
slow him down? Can I get him playing at my speed?
Like my advantages are quicker and faster. I might be
a little bit I might have a little bit more
like quick pop than he does. If I get in
a dog fight with him, he's bigger, stronger, he's more powerful,

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I'm gonna lose like nine out of ten times. So
it's like, how can I manipulate a block in the
sense of like if I need to get there, and
I can get you to slow your feet down or
stop your feet now, I can speed up faster than you.
I can slow down faster you. I can beat up
faster than you. So instead of like trying to run
through your chest, if I can get you to stop
your feed doom boom, I can just get past you
that way. So it's like how can I You don't

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you don't want to hit a million guys in the game.

Speaker 2 (02:03:10):
It just wears you down. So it's like there's an
ego element to it, like Mike Linebacker being a thumper,
like you could hit Like was there a point where
like I don't want to give up this part of me,
but I know it's the best from my longevity.

Speaker 7 (02:03:20):
Yeah, you just like you gotta you love the game
of football, like you better figure out how to play
it as long as you can. And that's just kind
of part of the Like it's kind of part of
the game.

Speaker 1 (02:03:29):
You know, talk to us about how when you were
first starting to sustain the concussions, Like if I'm a
teammate of yours and you get ding the first time, Oh, Luke,
he's got a concussion. Second time, Luke's got a concussion.

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
Third time.

Speaker 1 (02:03:39):
When a pattern starts creeping up and then you're coming
into the cafeteria or something, and it's like, hey, what
are you learning? Like, talk about that time as a
pattern starts to show itself with your head injury.

Speaker 2 (02:03:50):
Because there's always a point of feeling like vulnerable, like
almost like mortals and.

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
Too like when you're getting stuff like concussions. You know
there's a part anytime you have an injury in your
coming in the room, you're you feel like you've let
everybody down, or like if you have an ankle right
or a high ankle sprain, and guys might be like,
you know, they're not questioning can you go, but in
your mind you're insecure enough to where you're like, I
hope these guys know that I am facing something pretty

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bad right now. I'm just not able to be on
the field. Yeah, but yeah, talk about your the head injuries.

Speaker 7 (02:04:19):
I think a lot of it is what you learn
and you know, like you said, you're twenty five years old,
you're like, I'm fine. I think a lot of it
is with the concussion stuff. It's like you need to
be as honest with you can't with as you can
with yourself and with everyone taking care of you, because
if they don't know how you feel, they can't help you.

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So like, the more honest you are with them, the
better and the quicker you can come back from whatever
you have going on concussion wise, And that's what I learned,
you know, probably the hard way is like our doctors
are phenomenal. They took great care of me. They did
everything they needed to do, And I just wish I
would have learned from an earlier age to be more

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honest with them, because you got to get all the
way back before you can go play again. Right, Yeah,
Like there's no like, say you have like a risk
that's bugging you, you can like tape it and like like okay.

Speaker 2 (02:05:10):
It's kind of like a badge of honor when you're.

Speaker 7 (02:05:12):
Like you just like figure it out, like or you
do something to your finger, like all right, but like
you don't really you'll be fine, yeah, versus your head,
it's like you can't really tough it out. And the
more you try to tough it out, the worse it gets.
And then you start to realize, like why do I like,
like you said, you want to play and like you
want to bring value to your team, right, And then
you start to realize, like, all right, if I'm not

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honest and I go back out before I should, I
get dinged again, I'm providing less value to my team
because now I'm gonna be out for longer. So it's like,
all right, maybe it takes me, you know, two weeks
to come back. I'd rather be honest and take those
fool two weeks and come back. Then after we'd be
like I'm good and like and you're not, and then

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you get dinged again. Now it's five weeks, so instead
of it being a two week injury, it's a six
week injury. And it's because you didn't take care of yourself.
Like that's really I think what I learned, you know,
probably not as quickly as I should have, But what
I learned was the more honest you are with yourself,
and the more honest you are with the guys that

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are their job is to take care of you, then
the better it is for you, for them, for the team,
for your you know, I just want to play football.
The faster I can get back to playing football, So
it's like everything gets better the more honest you are.

Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
Now when you had the first one, like, how many
do you would do you think that you had before
that first one?

Speaker 7 (02:06:34):
I don't think I had zero, zero, Like for sure,
like one hundred percent, because you always wonder like, well,
I know if I get one, And then the first
one I got was in twenty fifteen, and I was like, yeah,
that's that's one.

Speaker 1 (02:06:49):
Yeah, So and did that when you come back earlier
from like when you're saying I learned it sooner if
you did, if you feel like you didn't have any
before that first one, was there some of those early
ones that you're like trying to in your brain tough enough?

Speaker 7 (02:07:00):
So that one was the first one, and I was like,
I was like, I need to like get my I
need to get better. And it worked out literally perfectly.
So that was week one and then I think we played, Yeah,
we played three games and we had to buy so
you know, you got to two weeks into it, and
our trainers like, dude, he's like, you need to relax
first of all, because you're putting all this stress on yourself.

(02:07:22):
So what's just you're not gonna play next week? How
about that? And I wasn't. I wasn't going to be
back anyways, but he like, I'd give him a lot
of credit. Ryan Vermilion, he took all the the pressure
off me and was like, we're just you're not going
to play next week, and then the following weeks of
bye week, so like you have two weeks so just
like kind of relax. And that happened and I was like, oh,

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like okay. So then I remember I went home for
the bye week, and I I knew how to aggravate it,
like I knew how to give myself. A lot of
it was uh oh uh exercise base, like heart rate base,
Like if I got my heart rate up, then I
was start getting like headaches, and I was like, all right,
I feel really good. It was like Thursday of the

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bye week, Thursday or Friday, I was back in Cincinnati
and I wrote up like a really hard workout and
I was like, all right, this is like it like
either I'm gonna be good or I'm not gonna be good.
And there's like no one between either I'm gona feel
like crap or gona feel really good. Yeah, and I
hit that working and I was like all right, I'm
good and uh then and then I had a full

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a full another week of practice. So essentially you had
like five weeks. You know, you're not really hitting anybody
in practice.

Speaker 2 (02:08:31):
Especially at that point. Yeah, that third week and then Mark.

Speaker 7 (02:08:33):
Yeah, that was probably the best I could have handled it.
And then moving forward, you just have a couple when
you want to play, and so maybe you don't like
you just I didn't handle it as probably well as
I could have, and like it just it was it
was unfortunate. But like now it's like you go talk
to guys, you're dude, if you get one, like you
have to be smart and you got to be honest

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with yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:08:55):
Yeah, it's such a difficult game you're talking about though,
because you have the hindsight of like looking back, like
when these like Will and I talk about all the time,
Like when you're in it, there's like these blinders that
are on your eyes and you are solely focused on
this thing and this is the main storyline of your life.
But everything else, like the next forty years of your
life you're not even concerned about it. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:09:12):
Well, and you're also like the only thing I want
to do is play football, right, Like that's it, Like
I just want to play football. I want to be
on the field with the guys, like I love playing
football on Sundays. And then this prevents you from doing it.
So you're like, I just won't play football like I
just won't play. I just won't play. I just won't play,
And that clouds your judgment more than like really anything else.

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Is like I just miss wake up on Sunday during
football season and like just like watching from your my house. Yeah,
Like we played Tampa then in twenty fifteen, and I
remember sitting in my apartment, like the team went down
there and I was just watching it at my house,
Like this freaking sucks.

Speaker 2 (02:09:52):
There's no there's no lonelier feeling than when a team
you're injured and the team goes on an away game,
when you watch the buses leave and you're like you
feel so ico everybody in your life. Yeah, it's terrible.

Speaker 7 (02:10:03):
But then it's like it's good perspective. It's like what
do you take from it? And it's like all right,
well when other guys are missing games, like you gotta
have like like you got to check on those guys,
like dude, how you doing right? Because you know what's
eating them up? Yeah, it's like, dude, I feel you man,
like just get better.

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
Yeah, they get better. So how many did you end
up getting throughout your career?

Speaker 7 (02:10:23):
Don't I don't know. I mean I miss some time
and obviously fifteen sixteen. I missed a game in seventeen
and then like nothing that was like really nothing like
big after that?

Speaker 1 (02:10:35):
When was retirement starting to come into the fold end of.

Speaker 7 (02:10:38):
That twenty nineteen season, because you just like clip a
guy and you're like, dang, like like I don't. It
wasn't like you know, you should just go smack dudes
and have no issues. I would go hit a guy
and I'm like, didn't really feel great. And so then
once you make the decision in your mind, like you know,
I'm not all the way in it once, like mentally,

(02:11:01):
were you starting to think about it a lot in
two nineteen, Yeah, like like the last like the last
game of the year. I was like, I'm done. Done.

Speaker 2 (02:11:09):
So that's when you made your decisions that last week.

Speaker 7 (02:11:12):
After so it was week it's week sixteen, so obviously
week seventeens, last week, week sixteen. I remember being like, yeah,
probably done.

Speaker 2 (02:11:22):
So really was there a process of like talking to
anybody or was feeling.

Speaker 7 (02:11:26):
I just remember after that game like I was like, yeah,
you don't, you don't got it anymore, Like you just
you don't, you don't like you don't have it.

Speaker 1 (02:11:34):
What's your you don't have it because I'm stay right.

Speaker 7 (02:11:38):
Now, yeah, like you know, you can't play. I would
have been fine if like I physically slowed down, like
can't run as well, like not as fast, maybe I'm
not as physical, maybe like I don't have the same
like fire. I would have been fine with that, and
I would have like kind of just probably milked it
out a little bit more like Noah, I love playing.

(02:12:00):
But once I knew it was my head and I'm like, like, mentally,
I'm like, dude, it's either yes or no, Like, if
you slow down, you can, like physically you can still
play football hard and like play it fast and play
with great effort. But once I knew in my head mentally,
like it's not any of that. It's like your head stuff.
Now you can't you can't in your brain. In my brain,

(02:12:22):
I couldn't rationalize, like I can't play as hard as
I want to. My effort's not going to be there.
I can't be as physical. And once I knew that,
I'm like, man, it's not fair to the guys in
the team, and it's not fair to the coaches, and
it's not fair to like the fans and myself and
my family for me to go out there at like

(02:12:45):
mentally seventy five percent, Like if I got to thump
a guard and push a guy back to Chack to
make a play and I'm like yeah, and like I
get widened and then and then the shack the tackles
really hard on Shack, Like that's not fair to Shack
for me to like, no, especially mentally, I know the
reason why I'm not stuffing that guy. Once I knew that,

(02:13:08):
I was like okay, versus like I'm you know, Sam
Suil playing right now and I'm thirty three years old
and I go to stuff a guard and like that
dude's twenty five years old and he just mauls me.
Like I'm like, I mean, I did everything right. I
tried hard. I prepared in the offseason, like I gave
it everything I had. That guy's just a young dude
and just beat me versus like in my head, I'm

(02:13:28):
like I didn't take him on as like I didn't
hit him how I should have, Like I'm not with that,
Like I couldn't. I couldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (02:13:35):
Yeah, And knowing that your effort.

Speaker 7 (02:13:37):
Wasn't my effort wasn't there, and like that's not fair
to like the guys in the team.

Speaker 1 (02:13:42):
So I was like, all right, in yourself too, like
you have to stand in your head of how you
play the game and how you want to play the game,
and you know, like not that you're half assing, but
if you were thinking about that trying to smash a
guard and you're like, I didn't do this because of.

Speaker 2 (02:13:55):
X, Y and Z. In my mind, it's just not
fair to any Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:13:58):
So I love that you're sweating on the dudes.

Speaker 2 (02:14:02):
Yeah, this is like this outside. Yeah, well we've had
it as we actually started a gravel parking lot in
the middle of May. Yeah, dude, it's it's it's so
impressive to me because like when I talk to you,
when I listen to you talk like this motherfucker loves ball,
you could just tell he's not just about himself, he's
about the team. He's about everybody, everybody else's job, and
I can I can feel that from you. And then

(02:14:23):
you sit there and say, week sixteen, I knew I
was done and that was it. It's what was that
transition like for you? Because now you're going from a
guy that I have no doubt was one hundred percent
in on football his entire life to now your service
bus brand. Yeah, you're you're one hundred percent in. And
now you're waking up in the fall and it's like, Okay,

(02:14:46):
you wake up in August and I know you're feeling
we've done it for a few years now. It's like
you wake up in August and you're like, it's fucking great.
Like there's a priciview that's like all right, Like I know,
all them boys fifteen minutes out of the room from
my house are dying right now, and I just will
go my kids, you know, a little breakfast with them.
There are so many positives, But then there's no Sundays
where you sit there and it's like two thirty and
the noonslate's ending and you see your team catching a

(02:15:09):
big wine and it's like, fuck, I missed with that
locker room. Is gonna feel like when they go back
in there. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:15:14):
So my first year out, I worked with the team
in the scouting department, so that was cool. And then
on game days I was in the booth with the
offense and I was the personnel guy. So like the
they'd come out and I'd be in charge of like
are they nickel, are they in base? What kind of
base are they in? All that kind of stuff. So
that was hell, Yeah, get wed upgrade and we go

(02:15:36):
from paper towers to pre towels.

Speaker 2 (02:15:37):
It's great. I felt like a little air coming into.

Speaker 1 (02:15:41):
Yeah, we're talking about your concussions.

Speaker 2 (02:15:43):
Yeah, sweat my ass off.

Speaker 7 (02:15:46):
So it was cool. I got to be at the
games on Sundays, and the first year was the first
year was like damn man, like I still think I
can play, And so that part was hard. And then
the further way you get from it, you're like, like
I do the radio with the team. Now do the
radio broadcast. And I go on the field before the
game and you see these guys run by you and
you're like, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (02:16:07):
All set, I'm good man, appreciate you.

Speaker 7 (02:16:09):
Like Tristan works, he comes running by and you're like,
I'm all good.

Speaker 2 (02:16:16):
There was a video two days ago on Instagram of
him squatting five plates for like three or four reps
with ease.

Speaker 7 (02:16:21):
He's like the nicest guy in the world.

Speaker 2 (02:16:23):
Yeah, he's a great human. The Iowa cat Like, he's
just a great dude. He just he is the athletic
ability of a linebacker. Yeah, squad seven hundred pounds men.

Speaker 1 (02:16:32):
We were filming that a couple of years ago when
we were at the that Arizona Bowl, and you're just
seeing the guys kind of warm up in practice and
pop the pads a little bit beforehand, and you're just
sitting there thinking like what the.

Speaker 2 (02:16:41):
Fuck comes, Like, Yo, what psychopath would do this? Yeah? Yeah,
because once you get out of it, like you get
soft quick.

Speaker 7 (02:16:48):
You want to be the guy that's like on the team,
but they put you on season ending ir so you're
like you get to show up like you kind of
have a job, but like you don't have to play.
You can still travel your stress. Yeah, stress, you like
walk out to practice, you drink some coffee. But you're
on the team, so like your way of life is
like socially acceptable, you know what I mean, versus like

(02:17:09):
if you get done, you're like I can't just like
go hang out in the locker room and like lift,
Like you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (02:17:15):
Yeah, here comes this pro scout looke. Yeah you just
want Yeah, you're like the places, right, you got to
go bring a guy upstairs and get cut.

Speaker 2 (02:17:21):
Like yeah that year, did you ever have to do that?

Speaker 7 (02:17:24):
Brought one guy up the worst.

Speaker 1 (02:17:26):
Yeah, talk about the year being in the pro scouting.

Speaker 7 (02:17:28):
I'll tell you what, you learn a lot about the NFL,
like what plays, types of guys in the NFL. Like
you learn a ton and it was super cool. Like
I learned a lot and it was super beneficial, but
it wasn't something I wanted to do long term, but
like you really get to see like what play, like
the difference between personnel and a three four versus personnel

(02:17:49):
and a four to three, Like body types like lengthd
what guys are looking for, what plays, what doesn't play,
types of running backs, Like you don't have a feel
for that. While you're playing. Is all you do is
studying an opponent. You're not studying like you know height, weight, speed, size,
how they play, what kind of football player they are,
And you learn like the whole league by doing that.

(02:18:10):
Because we did, we had to watch all the free
agents for that season going into the next year. So
then like now moving forward, like you watch a guy
and you're like, like, we watched that guy for twenty
five minutes and graded him and wrote a report on him,
and like it's it was really cool.

Speaker 1 (02:18:25):
So was it like cutting I just remember going up there,
probably a linebacker.

Speaker 7 (02:18:34):
I remember it was a corner and I remember just
walking up there, and I remember I walked into the
GM's office and I'm like, hey, look like I'm down
to do a lot of things, Like I kind of
don't want to do that, like after after the fact that, yeah,
I was like, guys, like I I'd rather just like
not do that. I feel bad because, like, I know
how hard it is to play and like and make

(02:18:55):
the roster. It feel like you're on the roster and
then get cut, Like you see all your buddies do
that throughout your whole career, and you're like, man, like
I'd rather not be that guy that has to do that.
And they're like they're like, yeah, sorry, we don't have
to do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:19:07):
Like cool, You're like, damn, you know you got pulling
the gym apologize to Luke's a grim reaper.

Speaker 7 (02:19:13):
Yeah, yeah, guy, you don't want to be that guy
because you know, you're you're standing at the door waiting
for them to come in from practice and everyone's.

Speaker 2 (02:19:19):
Like, Luke, what's up.

Speaker 7 (02:19:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:19:21):
You're like, hey, can I talk to you?

Speaker 7 (02:19:23):
And they're like dang, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:19:25):
And one year removed. Yeah, like eighty percent of that
roster knows you as a team.

Speaker 7 (02:19:30):
As a teammate.

Speaker 2 (02:19:30):
So I got up.

Speaker 7 (02:19:31):
I got up there and they're like, we're sorry, Like
it's cool, I just rather not do that again.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
Yeah. Was this a guy that was on the team
the year before.

Speaker 7 (02:19:37):
We know, but he was a dude, that's like he
he was like a dude, like a dude in the
league for a while.

Speaker 2 (02:19:42):
Oh so, and when you when he says something to him,
was there any like common like, man, you're the grim Reaper? No?

Speaker 7 (02:19:49):
I think he I think he probably knew it was coming,
but it doesn't make it any easier.

Speaker 2 (02:19:53):
Yeah, but he's he was a vet, herenerstood game.

Speaker 7 (02:19:55):
He's been in the league for a long time, and
like it was a dude. So I think he's probably.

Speaker 1 (02:19:59):
Like Luke's trying to study on how to cut guys.
He's just throwing on moneyball.

Speaker 6 (02:20:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:20:05):
I mean that's at any point during that season of
you being a scout or doing whatever you were doing,
did they have a reproach you and be like, hey,
could you play a couple more games for us?

Speaker 7 (02:20:16):
They always joked about it, but I was like, guys,
like you know, how quickly you tighten up like quads,
he low back. You know, the guy's like running and
looks like they get shot. That would have been me,
Like first time they run, you know, a seam ball
and I got to chase the guy in the middle field.

Speaker 2 (02:20:36):
Yeah, but you know the first game, the first game
that Michael linebacker didn't have a great one and someone
made a joke to you, if you would have been like, yeah,
I'll give it another like are you for real?

Speaker 7 (02:20:47):
My injury waiver would have been like this long? Yeah huge,
I mean that paycheck though it would have been a
league minimum.

Speaker 2 (02:20:54):
No no, no, no, no, you pull that hamstring. I are
the rest of the season. That's yeah, that would have
been nice. Bro. Thanks, he's on the team still that
guy there, Yeah that is that would suck to me.

Speaker 1 (02:21:10):
Now, did you were you in a point too mentally
to where you're, uh, you're juggling or trying to figure
out what you're wanting to do long term, like how's
everything checking up?

Speaker 3 (02:21:19):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:21:19):
You mentioned your youth football coach with with Greg Goles,
so shout out the boy Greg, you do radio stuff.
Was there a moment to where you're like, man, I
kind of don't I have no clue what I want
to do, and I'm kind of chasing some dead ends.

Speaker 7 (02:21:29):
I think you yeah, I think there's you don't know
what you want to do. Obviously, like you get done
and like like perfect word, I would have I would
have loved have kept playing, So like I probably happened
earlier than I wanted it to. And so then the
process becomes like you have to just continually try stuff
until you find stuff that you like, and then once
you like it, then just keep doing it. And then
if you don't like it, then you stop doing it.

(02:21:51):
But like you have to there needs to be a
concerted effort. Two, if you're going to go do something like,
you got to go all the way in, because if
you tiptoe around it, you're not gonna get the full experience.
You're gonna waste your time. More importantly, you're you're using
somebody else's time too, Like if somebody's gonna help you
try to dive into something and you and you don't

(02:22:11):
go all the way and you're wasting their time. So
it's like, all right, I'm gonna go all the way
in on a couple of things. I'm gonna try certain
things out. I tried scouting, just wasn't my thing. It
was fun, It's just like I'm not doing this long term.

Speaker 2 (02:22:22):
And then they too, Yeah, just busy.

Speaker 7 (02:22:25):
Then the next year I did the radio with the
Panthers radio broadcast, like that's awesome, Like I really like that.
So that's pretty much the whole season, and then the
youth football stuff with Greg. So his son Tates in
that picture and that's his dad, Chris. His dad Chris
coached high school football on Jersey and just look them up.

(02:22:45):
They didn't lose a game for like five years in
a row.

Speaker 2 (02:22:49):
Look them up. Just look them up.

Speaker 7 (02:22:50):
So we've been doing that for this will be our
fourth year. So it's been awesome, like we have a
ton of fun with it. We coach at a a
school and Arlott Charlotte Christian is the school. Check us out, okay,
And this is our first year coaching at Charlotte Christian
was last year because Tate, Greg's oldest was in seventh grade,
so we did coach Pop Warner for two years and

(02:23:12):
then Tate got in the seventh grade. So then we
coach at the grade school which is attached to the
high school, and then we'll coach again at the high
school this year.

Speaker 1 (02:23:20):
So what happens to the current staff that's like, you know,
so they kind of bounce back kind of like, hey, Greg.

Speaker 2 (02:23:24):
Ols and Louke Keiley they're coming in.

Speaker 7 (02:23:26):
So it's awesome. So it's really we got a new staff.

Speaker 2 (02:23:29):
Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 7 (02:23:31):
The two guys that like make it run it are
Greg and his dad, like they're phenomenal, and then the
other we got two or two or three other guys.
Three other guys, So it's Stu Jonathan Stewart Okay coaches
the running backs, which has been phenomenal, just a crazy
and then Todd Blacklice. So Todd Blackler's quarterback at Penn
State National Championship one was a first round pick. Now

(02:23:51):
does NBC. I think it's NBC College with Noah Eagle
Iron Eagle son, so that he does he does college
football on Saturday, big, big, big game. So he did
all have State Oregon last year. He's like he's a
little bit and he lives in and he lives in Charlotte.
So it's so much fun because I mean, Greg and

(02:24:11):
Stu are like some of my best budds when we
were playing, so I get to hang out with them.
Greg's Dad's awesome, Todd's great, and we just have a
ton of fun with it.

Speaker 2 (02:24:18):
Would you ever want to call games like Greg does
rap right?

Speaker 7 (02:24:24):
The I think so the radio. The interesting thing about
radio and TV, so radio you really just talk about
like what's happening in the game, and like why it's happening.
What I think is cool about TV is like Greg
does a phenomenal job of like setting games up, and
like what I mean by setting it up is like
talking about what he anticipates going to happen in the game,

(02:24:46):
why it's gonna happen, what you know, say, it'd be
like if say Tristan Wurfs has missed the last couple
weeks and he's back in the lineup, Greg will talk about,
you know, Tristan Wurf's is back in the lineup, this
is how it affects him in the run game, in
the past game, this is where Tristan Wurfs is really
good in the run game. So maybe they're gonna like
Greg does it way better than that. But you can
really lay out a game doing TV because you don't

(02:25:09):
have to explain what's happening every play because the viewer
can watch the game, and Greg is able to set
it up early in the game and then really talk
through situational stuff and get into, you know, really why
things are happening and why why it worked, why it did.
He does a great job with that, and I think
that part would be really cool. But I just have
a ton of fun with the radio stuff, and like

(02:25:32):
I told you, guys, like I just try to do
things that I enjoy, and I enjoy the radio. I
think the TV would be really would be really fun
as well. So I just kind of see what happens.

Speaker 1 (02:25:40):
You ever you got out to uh Buffalo, yeah, for
some uh for some coaching. Do you ever see yourself
coaching in the league one day or trying to coach
at a high level like that?

Speaker 7 (02:25:49):
I think it'd be a ton of fun. It's just
those hours, Like.

Speaker 2 (02:25:52):
Bro, they're nuts.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
It's it's it's like, take what players do when they're
studying all week long, and yeah coaches, man, it's it's
like around the clock.

Speaker 7 (02:26:00):
It's just all the time. And like I'm just not
ready to give up that much time. So I mean
answer proably not.

Speaker 2 (02:26:07):
Yeah, Yeah, the hours are crazy. I don't I mean,
you the boy might there's like an itch, there's an
itch in there. It's somewhere. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:26:14):
If it's not a lot about doing is doing it
during OTAs. Yeah, So get out there and OTAs and
like and be like hey, these next six weeks, like
I'm in, like every day, I'm in whenever you guys are,
and just do it and then you'll know by the
end of that I like yes or no.

Speaker 8 (02:26:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:26:31):
But OTAs is such a different vibe than camp and season. Yeah.
Ots is so light. The coaches are feel good, everyone's
kind of joking around. The minute you walk into the
building July twenty fifth or whenever that you know, everyone
goes into camp. Buttles are tight.

Speaker 7 (02:26:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:26:45):
Not only that, but if you get behind the eight
ball in the season. Yeah, yeah, you start off in
you two and two, one and three, people just pissed off.
You're trying to navigate bad attitudes everywhere. It's difficult. That's
like one thing you don't miss is like the bipolarness
of coaches and teammates.

Speaker 7 (02:27:01):
It's like you miss like that, like not stress, but
like that pressure of.

Speaker 2 (02:27:06):
Like we gotta go, like we gotta Yeah, it's a
big one right here.

Speaker 7 (02:27:09):
Like we got to go make this like this is
a big game. This is for a lot of reasons,
Like you miss that, like the urgency, that urgency, that's pressure.

Speaker 2 (02:27:16):
Those week like Week fourteen on when your team's like
on the bubble, like are we going to make the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (02:27:21):
Are we not?

Speaker 2 (02:27:21):
What do we control in our destiny? What teams have
to lose? And it's like you're kind of with your
little whether it's a linebacker group or meet at the
offensive lineman's like we got to do X, Y and
Z to make a wild card. Didn't happen for us.
That's why you play the band of brothers.

Speaker 7 (02:27:34):
December like you want to be you want to you
want your season the matter in December.

Speaker 2 (02:27:39):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (02:27:40):
You obviously want it to matter in like September, October, November,
but like if it comes December and you're like, hey,
like you're in the un We're in the mix, and.

Speaker 2 (02:27:48):
Then anything can happen in January.

Speaker 7 (02:27:49):
It didn't even matter, Like you're in the mix. Like
you're in the mix, that's all that matters. And now
you got to just go play your best ball. It's
that's the best.

Speaker 2 (02:27:56):
Part of that is the worst feeling in the world
is December and nothing matter. Yeah, and you're like, you
hear the older guys in my first two years, we
won five games my first two years, and I'm hearing
older guys talk about Cabo and all these things are
going to go on, and you're just still so involved
and you think every game still matters. What's going on here,
guys feeling? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:28:17):
Play for the name on your back now, yeah, anything,
find it somewhere. Yeah, but you get those coaches the whay,
you know, might they might be on the outs where
they just start giving the play for the name on
your back. Whatever you play for, whether you find and
you just know, way, we're all in December and we're nobody.

Speaker 2 (02:28:37):
Yeah, well, it's.

Speaker 1 (02:28:39):
The name on your front, your family at home, maybe
the cash of the bake account, name on your back.

Speaker 2 (02:28:43):
Let that heart turn black walk.

Speaker 7 (02:28:47):
Oh man, you gotta find it though.

Speaker 2 (02:28:49):
Yeah. Yeah, this has been awesome. Yeah it has. I
was just gonna ask if you have any hobbies outside
of like.

Speaker 7 (02:28:55):
The football I love so I loved bow Hunt.

Speaker 2 (02:28:58):
Really, that's my favorite thing.

Speaker 7 (02:28:59):
I get a little you. Oh you guys are out there.

Speaker 1 (02:29:02):
With Yeah, dude, he's a real man too, they have
you out there, and you know.

Speaker 7 (02:29:07):
I love That's that's another reason I want to coach.
I love the bow hunt. Yeah, white tail, elk, anything
with the bow that's like my jam. You.

Speaker 1 (02:29:16):
I'm assuming you go out there to Montana.

Speaker 7 (02:29:18):
So yeah, I love to hunt elk in Montana. And
then New Mexico's a really good state too.

Speaker 6 (02:29:22):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:29:22):
I'm just saying since we're on the airways right now,
Garrett cal Rinella, whoever's listening for meat.

Speaker 7 (02:29:27):
Eater, Yeah, get your get I got a great concept.
There's I hope he has had fun.

Speaker 2 (02:29:33):
There's so much fun.

Speaker 1 (02:29:34):
Yeah, because they missed, but it was a blast.

Speaker 2 (02:29:37):
Yeah. Yeah, but she's part of But you pulled the trigger.
I did a lot of guys would stiffen up and
even pull that trigger.

Speaker 7 (02:29:42):
Okay, so you did something that at the moment, you
showed up.

Speaker 2 (02:29:45):
I know. And it's fun too because Will and I
we don't. I look in your eyes and you talk
about bow hunting and I just don't. I don't have that.
But to go out with them and then like work
us through like long range rifle streaming. I went and
sat down and I went one for five on my
first five shots, and I was like, this is going
to be the longest couple of days of my life.
But then Garrett starts sitting there working with me, and
he's like try this is and this He's lining me up.

(02:30:06):
They're great coaches. They don't make you feel stupid even
though they're like such bigger, better men than you are.
It's just awesome, man.

Speaker 7 (02:30:12):
It's like those these animals live in beautiful areas. Yeah,
you go hunt ELK, You're gonna be somewhere sweet. Yeah,
the mountains. The weather's beautiful, it's in the fall, and
it's just that's like my favorite time of year. And
they go do that stuff. It's just sweet.

Speaker 1 (02:30:27):
What's been your longest like el hunt to where you're
tracking it down?

Speaker 2 (02:30:31):
We did so climbing mountains.

Speaker 7 (02:30:32):
Now usually we hunt out of like an outfitter, and
it's usually I haven't done like the full like nine miles,
ten miles in on a horse and then you set
up spike camp. I haven't done that.

Speaker 2 (02:30:43):
I like that.

Speaker 7 (02:30:45):
I'm gonna wake up. I'm gonna wake up early in
the morning. I'm gonna be out all day and then.

Speaker 2 (02:30:48):
Yeah, and I'm gonna come home. Yes, is there do
we have.

Speaker 7 (02:30:54):
That you don't have to read that, you can just
read them.

Speaker 2 (02:30:57):
Okay, perfect.

Speaker 1 (02:30:58):
We do have a bud like question for Okay, people
would do anything for a bud light. What would you
do anything for?

Speaker 7 (02:31:06):
Oh? My probably my parents, I think.

Speaker 2 (02:31:09):
Yeah. I mean that's about wholesome.

Speaker 7 (02:31:12):
Like you think about your parents and like what your
parents have done for you, everything from growing up to
high school to college. At all my games in college,
it came to down to Carolina, it's like your parents.
My parents were fantastic. They set you up for everything.
Everything was about my brothers and I and so, yeah,
you do anything for him, they do anything for you, You
do anything for them.

Speaker 2 (02:31:32):
I love the short answers.

Speaker 1 (02:31:33):
Yes, that's a good heart, awesome, beautiful my parents.

Speaker 2 (02:31:37):
You have how many brothers? Yeah? I got two brothers.

Speaker 7 (02:31:39):
So there's a picture order brothers on the right. That's John,
he lives in Cincinnati. There's my dad, my mom, and
then my younger brother Henry.

Speaker 2 (02:31:48):
Were they some dogs.

Speaker 7 (02:31:49):
John played football and lacrosse through high school and then
Henry was a basketball player.

Speaker 2 (02:31:55):
Okay, so yeah, I love that.

Speaker 7 (02:31:57):
Yeah do you?

Speaker 1 (02:31:59):
I'm sure who's that that profile that has the Luke
video where he's going where he's going.

Speaker 2 (02:32:05):
Who's next? Oh that somebody said that is awesome. That guy,
that guy, Who's next Danny or something like that. He's
all time. That guy's hilarious. Yeah, he is. Paul.

Speaker 1 (02:32:17):
Anything that we've missed, we do have Paul Swans sending
in the back with the boys right now grinding it out.
Paul was very pivotal in getting the boys in a
Creatine and an Intangibles group chat with Luke and myself.

Speaker 9 (02:32:28):
We got creating on the bus right now. Can we
can we take house have some of my suitcase. We
can take them later on when we get done here.

Speaker 2 (02:32:37):
Put up.

Speaker 9 (02:32:39):
It's something going boys, not the real creatam Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:32:43):
Anything that I've missed with Luke.

Speaker 9 (02:32:45):
I mean, this is this is the all American man
right here. And that answer right there, I mean that's
just that's gold the parents.

Speaker 2 (02:32:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:32:53):
So I actually just got done here and him talk
about most of this when we were talking to Coach
Lee over at Vanderbilt.

Speaker 2 (02:32:59):
So he's been talking about it a lot, just diving in.

Speaker 1 (02:33:03):
Yeah, he's breaking down all the players too. How to
watch film, how to break down film.

Speaker 7 (02:33:08):
I'll tell you what that the diego Pavia, He's got it.

Speaker 2 (02:33:13):
Yeah, like itvage. What do you love about him?

Speaker 7 (02:33:17):
He's like he walks into a room and he's the
dude without trying to be the dude. And he can
talk to everybody. He can talk to offensive coaches, defensive coaches.
He understands. He's got great His football IQ is great,
ultra competitive. He's just he's that dude, like he's got it.

Speaker 2 (02:33:34):
I love you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:33:35):
You can tell Luke's got his uh his pro scouting
background too, so he can like talk about these.

Speaker 7 (02:33:42):
Snap Yeah, if guys come talk to him, they'll be like,
we need to find a way to get this guy
around us.

Speaker 2 (02:33:49):
Yeah, because he is. He is electric.

Speaker 7 (02:33:50):
He's a football dude, football guy.

Speaker 2 (02:33:52):
He just loves ball.

Speaker 7 (02:33:53):
He loves the game.

Speaker 2 (02:33:54):
He embraces it. It's that's all.

Speaker 7 (02:33:56):
He knows all about football. And you know, those guys
hard to come by. You know you still I.

Speaker 2 (02:34:02):
Was gonna say, did CM have it when he first came.

Speaker 7 (02:34:05):
Oh my gosh, that dude was born with it.

Speaker 2 (02:34:07):
That he is.

Speaker 7 (02:34:08):
Talk about a guy that loves football and all he
wants to do is just be a good teammate, play hard.
Christian the O g incredible White.

Speaker 2 (02:34:17):
Yeah, he's another Hall of Fame, all the first ballot
Hall of Fame. You talk about a guy. I had
a tough photo for c MC though. I mean he's
a built cat.

Speaker 7 (02:34:28):
That is a bad angle. But yeah, I'm so excited
for him this year. Come back, rip you going to
be a daddy too, Yes, shout out dad.

Speaker 2 (02:34:38):
Have a great year.

Speaker 9 (02:34:39):
So i'd be I'd be remiss to say, you know,
listening to Luke his art, listening to his football knowledge,
but your ball knowledge is it's phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (02:34:49):
I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (02:34:50):
I gotta say I do probably myself on some I
Q some good. You might not think I played in
the league a long time, but from I was the neck.

Speaker 7 (02:34:56):
You mean you thinn nine years.

Speaker 1 (02:35:01):
I was there for the tenth year. But you know
the league get a credited season, No, because I had
a gambling show so they wouldn't let me play.

Speaker 2 (02:35:10):
Look, did you ever come across Will Compton film at linebacker?
Never take anything from his game? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (02:35:14):
Absolutely? Yeah, for toughness, instincts, try hard, try hard collar guy.

Speaker 2 (02:35:19):
Yeah, what's it's those plays you break down? I don't
know that's that's that's that shirt you have on.

Speaker 1 (02:35:25):
But yeah, it's uh like hearing you two talk about
plays happening that you don't necessarily make, like being mugged
up in the eight gaps. They got you in a bunch,
they're checking Tulsa, putting you in a toss situation, any
type of situational ball awareness.

Speaker 2 (02:35:40):
It's uh, it's music to my ears.

Speaker 7 (02:35:42):
Yeah, we'll get you.

Speaker 2 (02:35:43):
Appreciate it. We'll get you that year ten.

Speaker 9 (02:35:45):
If you want to come pit some race cars.

Speaker 1 (02:35:47):
That seems like a different life too, So I have
to be just you can do it.

Speaker 2 (02:35:52):
I think you can do it.

Speaker 6 (02:35:53):
Let me play.

Speaker 7 (02:35:53):
Yeah, they'll let you play.

Speaker 1 (02:35:55):
I was down there to sign and rip there to
sign and contract can't go through because they're like, let's.

Speaker 2 (02:36:01):
Hold up the NFL. Goodell shut it down. Yeah, Goodell
shut it down.

Speaker 9 (02:36:04):
Dang, when's good when's Goodell gonna come on the bus?

Speaker 1 (02:36:09):
I don't know he's got an open invite, does he?

Speaker 2 (02:36:12):
He can come?

Speaker 7 (02:36:13):
Apologize the will for Yeah, scrapping your ten. You had
a good You had a good number two.

Speaker 2 (02:36:19):
Five to one. It's a great white linebacker.

Speaker 7 (02:36:21):
That's Sam Mill's number. That number wasn't available.

Speaker 2 (02:36:23):
You see that pig right there.

Speaker 1 (02:36:24):
Keller Moore seventeen covered we'll covered you in. We were
in Tampa there and we had somebody dropping low hole
because we knew he was going to try to work
witting over the middle. Keller Moore airmails it right the
bread basket.

Speaker 7 (02:36:37):
But hey, you know what you had the hardest thing
about the interception is gotta catch it, buddy.

Speaker 1 (02:36:42):
That was that was my first one. And when that
ball was in the air, it's something I can make
the play on it. I was like, you better fucking
catch it. I kind of just put the hands out
there too, and was just so high.

Speaker 2 (02:36:56):
Glo gloves, sticky gloves or those offensive line gloves. What's
up those gloves you're wearing right there? Those stickies, Yeah,
you don't wear We don't wear offensive and you never know.

Speaker 1 (02:37:07):
I can never get on board with the Keekley risk
with the wrist braces though.

Speaker 2 (02:37:11):
Risks were money. Were you a risk taper?

Speaker 1 (02:37:15):
It's a little swag here, Yeah, it's a little bit
you brought up Jonathan Stewart or earlier too. I did
put him on skates in our game. Why it's late game.
We were getting put him on skates. Oh I murdered
him coming through the a gap. Yeah, I put him
on skates, joked him out, put him on skates, like,
put him in the air, put his late in the game.
We were getting our backs blown out by the Panthers.

(02:37:37):
But your boy, we're still playing for pride at the
end of.

Speaker 2 (02:37:39):
The day when you go out there, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:37:42):
Yeah, the heart was black in that play, ran right
through the B gap, right through the gap and just murdered.

Speaker 9 (02:37:47):
You gonna want to rematch after listening to this, I
know you don't want.

Speaker 2 (02:37:50):
To line up.

Speaker 1 (02:37:51):
I don't got it anymore, but find that clip.

Speaker 2 (02:37:54):
I will show you.

Speaker 7 (02:37:54):
Guys, I'm sure we got.

Speaker 1 (02:37:59):
Oh but this Hey, look, this has been awesome having
me on.

Speaker 2 (02:38:02):
Thing a long time coming up. This is big for
wal Cup. It's for myself as well. Love to see
you two together.

Speaker 1 (02:38:07):
It's great to get a Hall of Fame white linebacker.
Just we've had our dude.

Speaker 2 (02:38:12):
Would love to get Ray. He's got just pross out.

Speaker 1 (02:38:20):
I'm just saying, like, just the linebacker appreciation that we
have on this bus.

Speaker 2 (02:38:24):
You gotta get on here. There's no better position.

Speaker 1 (02:38:27):
Yeah, we've had Fred Warner on that dude, du monster, Yes,
you should get quon pro monster. Who are some of
the guys right now? You just named a couple.

Speaker 2 (02:38:38):
Roquan Fred Warner, ah Man, you got me. Levante is
still doing it.

Speaker 7 (02:38:46):
Spot here and Mario Davis has been doing it a
long time.

Speaker 2 (02:38:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:38:52):
Zach Bond and him going to from transition from on
the ball to off the ball. I feel like it
is a is a heady transitions for for Zack.

Speaker 7 (02:39:01):
Bad You know who?

Speaker 2 (02:39:01):
I like?

Speaker 7 (02:39:02):
Nick Bolton?

Speaker 1 (02:39:03):
Yes, bro, he just resigned with the Chiefs, So I
like splain just to Bobby Gap he just signed with.

Speaker 2 (02:39:16):
He's a brave guy. Rabes guy would love bottles. Oh yeah,
we could explain for sure. His his third and one
stop on Derrick Henry twenty twenty on the goal line
put him on the map.

Speaker 9 (02:39:28):
How about Cooper de Jeans stick on Henry?

Speaker 7 (02:39:31):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (02:39:32):
Yeah? Great?

Speaker 6 (02:39:33):
Four?

Speaker 2 (02:39:34):
It was it was, It was nice textbook. I would
produce some corners. Are you if you go anywhere else
besides Boston College? If you if this is all going
to end the same exact way, you couldn't go to
Boston College, Where would you go?

Speaker 7 (02:39:47):
Probably probably big school?

Speaker 2 (02:39:49):
Yeah, which one would that be?

Speaker 7 (02:39:50):
I don't know, you know, would have been fun nor?
I mean, I'm not I might say Michigan I'm not
going to say a high state. Those are the two
easy ones. I feel like playing playing linebacker at Penn
State with like a like a sick the sick like Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (02:40:08):
Yeahs sticking out.

Speaker 7 (02:40:11):
Yeah, be plause Leslie LeVar Arrington and the Parsons. They
got the kid now, Abdul Carter.

Speaker 2 (02:40:19):
Yeah they had some freaks there. Yeah, you could have
wore black shirt? Yeah is that? How is that helmet?
The game? News back there? No? Is that Nebraska? Nice one.

Speaker 1 (02:40:30):
Bras just wraps the classic, the classic game. Luke knows
we stopped the mudhole in the ass for what was it, the.

Speaker 2 (02:40:42):
Stripe Bowl? Stripe Bowl.

Speaker 7 (02:40:45):
He's waited the whole podcast to say, yeah, just wait bowl.

Speaker 2 (02:40:52):
And he tried to pretend like he didn't know the
name of it. They said that they put that on
the board up there.

Speaker 1 (02:40:58):
Yeah, because I waited to uh, I waited till we
were up to hit the group chat to talk ship.

Speaker 7 (02:41:05):
Yeah, it's all right.

Speaker 2 (02:41:07):
Well, you like Bill O'Brien like him a lot. Yeah,
A big fan of him.

Speaker 7 (02:41:10):
Just he is Boston College football, tough, physical run of football.
He's greatly He did a great job last year. I'm
excited for for this year for him, so.

Speaker 1 (02:41:20):
All right, okay, well yeah I see we got another
standing round of applause for hats all.

Speaker 7 (02:41:27):
Hell yeah, thanks, thanks for turning to Eric, and yeah
we're waiting for

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