March Madness Bracket Predictions + Steve Rinella On Building The Meat Eater Empire

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Alright, we're good.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
You like go.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Busting with the boys, hanging with the best.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Betting on a game.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
No woman's gonna tell us what you do, not be
We're here just drinking beer and making Nando Baby. I'm
hanging with the Fellers. He's busting with the boys.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Bro twenty Steve Vanilla, March Madness, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
to another beautiful episode of Busting with the Boys, Episode
three hundred and twenty.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
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Fellas we all know, it is March Madness week. It
is time to where throw any knowledge you have. Look,
if you've come to this podcast for college basketball talk,
which I'm sure you haven't, this is where it doesn't
really matter. This is yeah, this is where you dive in.

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Whether I just remember the days in high school and
middle school and you're just filling out millions of brackets
with the boys, it doesn't matter if you're I've been
here and talks about people going to Vegas to get
in the action, whether you're at home just watching on
the couch with the boys, whether you're eating wings, whatever
the case is. It is March Madness Week plus What
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the in the churches all day long.

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Think of it like a community pool, uh in Bonterre, Missouri.
You go out there with the boys and you get
in the beginning of the pool and says, do not dive, Well,
guess what the boys are diving?

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Diving first. De Laney's gonna be joining the boys. I
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Speaker 2 (04:09):
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Speaker 4 (04:09):
A lot of people want to talk about all these
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one app in the game that's able to do the
futures bet. Oh yeah, you're able to if you want
to do futures bet.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
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Speaker 4 (04:21):
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Speaker 2 (04:59):
So on f you can do a parlay on futures
for the tournament. So for example, your boy has cooked
one up already, because I'm thinking, like, what is this about?
Can I really just take like the top seeds and
conservatively place them in the Sweet sixteen or the Elite eight.
Was the Gammek server a second Auburn, they're a one seed.
I got them reaching the Elite eight Florida to reach
the Elite eight, Saint John's to get to the Sweet sixteen,

(05:22):
Duke to get to the Elite eight, Houston to hit
the Sweet sixteen Tennessee to reach the Sweet sixteen. Doesn't
matter if I believe any of those teams can win
the whole damn thing. But I have that six leg
parlay on all futures. You put that together, and that
parlay is worth plus eight oh eight right now in
the sportsoh spicy, Just like why people say, hey this

(05:43):
everybody wants, you know, they want the march madness to
come alive, Like they want to get cute, they want
to find all these upsets. How is this tournament going
to be chaotic? But also people are talking out there
it feels like this is not necessarily a year you
kind of maybe want to keep it simple because these
teams that are playing at high level or playing at
such a high level that it almost feels like a
no brainer. Like people talking about like Duke and Auburn, Florida.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I got Florida.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
We're going on the street is that Houston might be
the best team out there right now. I've been talking
to a couple of guys and they're saying, Houston.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Hey, I know they're a one seed, but people are
still sleeping on Houston a little bit. You know why
I like Houston Their strength coach. Yeah, yeah, they have
a great strength program. Somebody I followed for a very
long time and and his name is Alan what is
his last He follow him for a long time, so
I have but apparently like he hasn't come across my
algorithm in a while. And this could be a because
he's focused, maybe maybe he's somewhere else. But I've started

(06:37):
following Houston basketball because of this strength coach, because he's
big on like the eccentric work, you know, the triphasic model,
and he shows it like on social media. So I
was just like, oh, and then when you see Houston
kind of getting better and become the program that they've been,
I'm not chalking it all up to the strength coach,
but I'm thinking, like, that's fucking awesome.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
This doesn't need to Alan Bishop shout out. Is that
him right there, handsome boy strong.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Short after photos of like the young freshman coming in,
then shows him at the end of the year, there's
sophomore year and the progress picks and it's like it
gets you fired up.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
I love that And the eccentric talk is just a
piece of nostalgia for me because it brings me back
to Vanderbilt. We had that whole summer hitting that French
eccentric with Rex Fresh and Buddy. That stuff gets you
strong as shit.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, he'll have the heels lifted four or five seconds Centric. Yes,
just the stuff that you know he's in the weeds
on it. You think in your mind, like based on
the surface level nobs that we have in the strength game,
you're like these basketball players, they're they're on something special
out there.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Get me juiced uff, Maybe want to get under a
bar right now, French Centric. Yeah, but there's some exciting
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just going towards the TV. There first panicked and I
just started reading. So thank you boys, thank you, thank

(08:00):
you for that.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
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how the story goes. We ended up getting a little
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as much anymore. I can't remember why that just did.

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That's what That's what went away. But the sales es
guy that helped sell us in the very beginning, like
one singular guy, a shout out, Adam Freudel, but he
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I met the CEO at Power Slap one time and
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I don't want to be doing like I love the

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Busting with the Boys. So this is going to be
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Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yes, And it's like people love to use the sellout
the sellout game. Hey, you guys are leaving. You guys
are selling out. It's like, really, we're getting more back
to the roots than we ever had with this bus
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it's every but on the side it now says busting
And we had to.

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Get it repainted. But we had to get it repainted
to busting because when we when we would do the
Fall tour go to colleges, they're always like, hey, could
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it's just kind of easier a the free shout out
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Speaker 4 (11:25):
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(11:45):
a match made in heaven.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Could you imagine if we are on a bud Light
Super Bowl commercial? I mean I have.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
I've told you we're on the plane to Montana. Yeah,
and I told you my idea that.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
That could be amazing. It's a great idea.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Like do we say it out loud? Part of me
feels like yes, because when it happens and we're not
in it, it's like, well, we had that idea first.
It kind of goes back to Jason Kelsey doing the
Christmas album.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
We had that idea first. You remember that idea? Yeah, yeah,
dude making Christmas album. We had the idea. We had
that idea.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
We had that idea, and then it kind of got
shell for a second. Fast forward one year later, Jason
Kelsey's going platinum on a Christmas album.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, great album. It's a great album, phenomenal, But.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
I want to say the idea go ahead, man, Christmas time,
snow is falling in Nashville, Tennessee Broadway, a staple of
Nashville where all the bach bachelotte parties want to go
to are there enjoying their time. The road's empty, it's
vacant even. And now you see a group of Clydesdales
marching down with a wagon being pulled by yours truly

(12:51):
and Will Compton right next to him. People are looking
in awe seeing these beautiful horses walking down the street.
Beers are flying from the wagon. They're being caught by
post molone by Shane Gillis, by bachelorette parties, by bachelor parties,
Peyton Manning, Eli Manning. Hell, even Cooper Manning's over there
grabbing himself.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Off a but light. Yeah, okay, so he's out. He's
out with the cartel.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Snow's on the ground and as you see the wagon
pulling away, it just says, tis the season of giving
bud light.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's the commercial.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
No words, all action, none needed, facial expressions only.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
You hear a distant ho ho ho, and then a shooting?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Is that a shooting?

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Start?

Speaker 4 (13:39):
No, it's Christmas time. You hear some jingles in the background,
that's all you hear. How beautiful is that?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
So something to think about.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Listening right now, They've got to listen the launch and
if they're the partners they claim to be, we're gonna
be in the commercial, right, those are the things that
are gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Here's the d So. Yeah, really exciting stuff happened. We'll
bust with the boys. We do.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
We just got back from Montana. Yeah, I mean that
was an incredible experience. Went to hunt coyotes. Didn't see one.
Actually that's a lie. I saw one.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I saw we saw coyotes, we didn't get one. That'll
be broken down. It looks like Jack's ready to question
the Jack's ready to say something. You got Stevenelli he has.
We have an awesome interview with him coming up where
we talk about the episode. We have a vail coming
out as well. But yeah, the boys were in Montana
for basically two and a half days, ripping content, hitting
the shooting range, skin and beavers, skin and musk trapping. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
By the way, Marshes, just walking through those motherfuckers. It
is insane.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Four mile hikes. It's just crazy.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Steve was walking around Marshes like it was no big deal.
Will Double Needs shot himself, but a lot of rock.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeahah, oh yeah, when I was in the water.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah yeah, it got Will just kind of set on
the sidelights for a little bit because Steve was walking around.
I don't want to get too much into it, but
seems like you guys want to come with me, and
I'm like a little kid, like, yeah, dad, I'll come and.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Will you go?

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Say, you guys got it smart too, because I'm telling
steven story. I'm telling Steve a story that I know
he doesn't give two ships about. And all of a sudden,
I'm up to my crotch in marsh, just realizing there's
a there's a sunken little hole there.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
So these men move different, they walked different than us,
but they were great as always.

Speaker 7 (15:16):
Jackie had a question, if you guys are going to
talk about in the podcast hunting and everything, then we
I don't want to give anything away, but I've heard
rumors swirling. Someone I don't know who it is missed
a shot on a coyote pretty close.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
But there's a great story behind it. I don't know anything.
I'm just curious.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
So I will be listening because we weren't there as
you you guys in JP so I'm excited, and Mitch
was saying, how this podcast is amazing.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
So.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Editing it. Yeah, dude, he's a he's a stud man,
very fascinating individual, like getting his cutting, his teeth in
through writing and everything else. You can just hear it.

Speaker 8 (15:57):
When he's storytelling, he's like, he's literally like one of
the most interesting man in the world to me, because
like we're not privy to that type of world, like
we're just sports athletes, dumb athletes. And then you go
out here and then he's like talking about like, oh
you hear a bird. Yep, that's this one just right
over there. Just crazy, and it's like the people like

(16:17):
that their brains can operate like that that quickly, like oh,
I know exactly what bird that is, I know exactly
where it.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Is, how old it is, Yeah, if it's if it's
trying to mate what the call is, Like, this dude's
one step away animal.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
It's so cool. It is so cool.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yeah, step The cool thing about Steve too is that
he'll sit there and you'll just be standing at a
random spot and he'll point to something and then tell
you a story and then give you historical background and
factual evidence on that little spot right there. You had
one of the marsh there was one over by the otters.
But all that I'll get into the podcast. It's an
incredible podcast. I think you guys are gonna love.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, it's awesome. But should we jump back to marsa
Manus Oh in a little bit. Absolutely. So.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
You've got a spicy little parlor that's plus eight o
eight right now.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Right now, right now. I don't know what I'm gonna
add to it. I will let the people know what
my parlay is gonna be. But I'm gonna have a
very exciting futures parlay that we'll be getting in on.
And I am a massive fan. I did. I started
doing it last year. I'm a massive fan when we
are streaming, getting us involved with which team's gonna score
first at ten? First to ten?

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Yeah do So. This will be Thursday and Friday will
be my first time truly digesting the March Madness Tournament,
diving in, putting the bets in all that. So like,
I'm ready to fly by the seat of my pants. Yeah,
I'm ready to listen to the boys, listen to the chat.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Hey, what are we doing? Where are we going? I'm
willing to throw away all of the money because it's like,
right when tip off happens, the excitement is at its peak.
It's like it's here, March madness, the tournament is starting today.
What are we doing all day long? And you're so
high when that first tip off happens and you're kind
of looking around, You're like, when's the second game coming? Like, oh,
that one will be in like an hour or two.
And you're kind of just sitting there watching the game
and you got you got your first bet out there,

(17:51):
whether it's you know, one team to cover. And I'm
sitting there like, okay, so we got we gotta wait
two full halves for one of these things to shoo
full hat. And I'm sitting there with with Ryan Whitney
and I want to say Dave got in on it too,
and Big Cat. But we started doing these first to
ten bets. I'm like, hey, how do we get the
juices flowing even faster? Like when another tip off happens, Like,

(18:12):
what's a live bet that we can hit, so it
be like first to ten just to give you like
a little juice up front so you're not like waiting
for the end of every game. To see if it's
gonna you know, you pick the over, the under, the spread,
whatever it is. Like, the live bets in college basketball
is a lot of fun. And like when we were
back in we'd go to state basketball in Missouri, we'd
go up to Columbia at MISSOO and we'd sit there
and we'd have like rolls of quarters and dollars and

(18:36):
just bet like throughout the game, like if guy's gonna
hit the free throw, and who's gonna score and he's
gonna be a three, and you just be betting. So
the live bets during March Madness is a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
The way I envisioned the live bets is like the
movie Focus with Will Smith when he's at the super
Bowl and he's just sitting there with that really rich
Asian guy going back and forth the suspense in that movie.
How I was feeling just being a third part of it. Yeah,
I can't wait to be the first party individual and
I hope to God i'm Will Smith in the situation. Yeah, yeah,
winning hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars.

Speaker 9 (19:04):
There's so much going on in the first round, second
round that there really is no way to prep other
than have your phone charged, yeah, and your money ready.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Money, and just be ready. Yeah, have that thing on
the fandle where you have to it sits there, and
be like, hey, just so you know, you've been on
here for an hour and a half.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, you know. It gives you a little updates.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yeah, like you've been on here for twenty five minutes,
just making sure you're okay. Yeah yeah, and then back
in yeah yeah.

Speaker 10 (19:28):
Dude, and don't uh, don't forget. I know we'll jump
into like the full bracket. But those first playing games
arena yard today eighteen.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Oh yes, yes, yes, I forget right now. So okay
in games, yes, you laid it on some action there,
just to start spicing it up a little bit.

Speaker 10 (19:47):
And we can talk about those if we want. Kind
of flex our muscles, show them.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
We do know what we're talking about. We don't though,
we don't, and we don't like, hey, let's flex our
muscles on Alabama on Alabama State in Saint Francis. I'm thinking, like,
be fun to see for Saint Francis winning because Sant
Francis County is where I grew up. So I'm just
thinking like, right, oh, that's a Missouri Yeah, Okay, Yeah,
Saint Francis County is in Missouri. Right, It's a it's
like a like, hey, I'm rooting for this team. That's

(20:13):
a name association, name association. That's what we're dealing with
right here. By the way, if Mitch was not here,
I would have thought we're rooting for a team in Baltampa. Okay, Okay,
that's a mixture because I'm thinking, yeah, I know it's no, no, no,
thank you, Mitch Mustache.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Mitch is different, man, he's saving this podcast because I'm
sitting there like, yeah, fuck yeah, dude, Missouri, we're going
hard for them.

Speaker 9 (20:32):
There's one thing, one of these play playing games, if
Texas wins, that'll be the fourteenth SEC team in the tournament,
setting a new.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Which is nuts man crazy.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
So we kind of want Texas to win because we
need the SEC to have something right.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I think is like a blue blood.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, but they have, yeah basketball Conference. We need them
to step it up because you guys.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Are it is apparently the first time and I don't
know how long that if North Carolina loses, it'll be
their first time not making the tournament since god knows
how long.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, and there's some rumblings right there that they are.
They're being sneaky boys, apparently in bed with somebody in
the committee that yeah, the Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick's working
his magic in the basketball court already.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Huh.

Speaker 9 (21:11):
Just just based on the two names, who you taking
in this game? American or Mount Saint Mary's American?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
American? Bud light?

Speaker 8 (21:20):
Yeah, but are you talking about just like the name
of the school.

Speaker 9 (21:24):
Which I said, just based off these.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Two days and we heard Jers match. I hope they
might caught it.

Speaker 7 (21:28):
No.

Speaker 8 (21:28):
Yeah, Mount Saint Mary's is kind of like they've been
making some runs their wagons.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
They're a bit of a wagon. They had to like
a couple of years America yet though.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Mount Saint Marys hasn't ran into America yet, fact checking
me on that.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Don't know. I they played, Who's going to play in
the play Houston. Mount Saint Mary's a bit of a wagon.
I do have right now. As of right now, I
have six circled upsets, which I don't know if you
consider a nine upsetting an eight like an upset. But
they are underdogs. But here's what I have. I have
Creton over Louisville, New Mexico over Marquette ar in sOliver, Kansas,

(22:01):
and I'm leaning like, hey, the SEC's got teams Arkansas
over Kansas, Baylor over Mississippi State, VCU over b y U.
I just saw the way VCU was fired up at
the end of their tournament. I'm like, oh, let's I
would love to see him make it a little bit
of damage in the first round. And then McNeese shut up.

(22:23):
It's mcneesyneezy over Clemson. Come all right, I noticed you
didn't have my boys in there. That's nice. I thought
about it, but I'm like, you know what, I can't
because logically, it does seem like Michigan's in a tough
spot with their draw based on the way everybody else
has been talking.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Right, that five six, seven seed, Right, they're always in
the play.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
You see San Diego, But apparently you see San Diego
is like a pretty good team, not just like they
weren't fifteen straight.

Speaker 7 (22:49):
And they're beast on defense. They're gonna be a tough
twelve seed for you to play.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, but let me ask you this, who have they played?
You see it? Right? You see this, you see that,
You see Los Angeles, Yeah, you see Encinitas, you see these.

Speaker 6 (23:05):
You see Sacramento, you see Los Angeles as U c
l A. Did you mean to say that?

Speaker 2 (23:09):
I was just saying, like, you see, hey, mustache mintioned
strikes again. You see Berkeley. Yeah, but can I see
your little sheet request? Yeah, go ahead, it does have
all the spreads on it as well. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
So because Michigan don't know what I know. I know
that Michigan won the Big Ten tournament. So like, shout
at us once again, like Michigan. Well, you say what
you want about my fandom about Michigan. People hate on Michigan.
It's a good sports school.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
It is. I don't think anybody disagrees. Okay, good but
again and Yale after that, but fawl and then you
got and the only you got Auburn possibly after that
two and a half point favorites against U see San
Diego and.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Diego tough spot, But smooth water Water has never made
a skilled sailor. Oh there you go, hey, my boys,
My boys are gonna be ready quick.

Speaker 9 (24:10):
Little shout out to the hometown Lipscomb in the tournament.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, that's big time. Shout out Lipscomb. Shout out Vanderbilt,
Vanderbilts in the boys do you guys, have you guys
have some upsets that you like in Round one?

Speaker 10 (24:25):
I did just want to highlight one of yours, which
was the Kansas Arkansas game. I've been watching Big twelve basketball,
like pretty closely this year. I've watched it closer in
years past. But I think Kansas is extremely overrated. I've
seen them lose several in conference games. They started the
year very highly ranked. They've you know, fallen out the

(24:49):
top twenty five since, but extremely vulnerable Kansas team. So
I actually really liked that Arkansas to beat Kansas in
the first round. I love that pick.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Do you have any other jack I know, you guys
who are in the weeds more with college basketball.

Speaker 8 (25:06):
I feel like Drake Drake against Miszoo. I mean, just
strictly looking just strictly looking at record. I mean, Drake
is thirty and three and where's Missouri?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
See how I love that? Sometimes it's just like, hey, look.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
At the record to make a pick.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, you like Drake Drake over Missouri. Correct, But again
Miszoo's in the SEC for sure.

Speaker 8 (25:27):
But twenty two and eleven and thirty and three like Drake,
say Drake? Like yeah, I feel like they they're they're
low key, like not really a blue button blood, but
they've been in the tournament sometimes and like they're kind
of they're a little feisty.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
They got they get spicy. He's a fisty team. What
commerce are they in?

Speaker 6 (25:46):
I want to say, like big Easter American sounds right?

Speaker 9 (25:49):
Yeah, Big East sounds more right. Yeah, I kind of
like your VCU pick. I did watch the end of
that game.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, they're fired up.

Speaker 9 (25:57):
Hit the free throws kind of sets in. Don't going
to the tournament.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (26:02):
Momentum, it'll be pretty sweet. There's a lot March.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Anything, Yeah, anything can happened. I can't wait to see
what storylines like come of it. It's like last year
that cat who was dropping threes from Oakland, remember him
just going nuts, like the peak of his life, looking
like JJ Reddick throughout all of March madness. I mean
he was, I mean he was.

Speaker 9 (26:21):
We only know one basketball player, it's.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Basketball player Will sees now is JJ Reddick, But draining
threes like that, Like, bro, it was iconic watching this
dude work Oakland and they were like were they Yeah.

Speaker 9 (26:34):
They were a very low seed if you had to
pick out of any of the one seeds to get upset.
Who do you think it would be to get upset?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Let me see what I got here. Auburn had a
tough draw on in the SEC tournament. Now they they
had a.

Speaker 9 (26:51):
Their last like four games haven't gone as well as
they wanted him to. So that's either a sports Yeah.
I mean, it's either a good thing to have a
bad taste in your mouth or it's bad.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
From the middle of that Ohio State type run, right,
whether to start putting points over it.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Was it's Auburn Houston duke in Florida. Yeah, and I
think out of those I have again no clue, and
I'm a square. I have all number ones in the
fund for Auburn.

Speaker 10 (27:22):
One thing I do know about Auburn is they're on average,
they're one of the oldest teams in the ncuble A.
They have a lot of fifty or six year guys.
They're very athletic, they're really strong.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Number one.

Speaker 10 (27:33):
But some of those playing teams, those sixteenth seed playing teams,
those are the ones to watch because they get that
first win under their belt and then they go up
against that one seed. They're not playing cold. They're coming
in a little hot because they just played recently.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, but the bye week with the experience that you
were talking about with Auburn. If I had any I
would say either Houston or Duke. Why because I know
that Alabama can be very good and I know that
Wisconsin can get really spicy.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Cooper flag to hurt his questionable really like really bad
ankle sprain. I think it was in the semi final.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
M hm.

Speaker 6 (28:11):
So he going to come in hobbled. He's like the
bad he's like overall.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
But they're talking about him just missing this first maybe
second round around here, right, But if they're without if
they're without that cat for it would be against Arizona
or Oregan. But Baylor, Yeah, Baylor, You're right, Baylor, come on,
don't be playing Baylor hurt, banged up. And then I

(28:36):
think Carston too because on the other side you got Tennessee, uh, Kentucky,
and I never sleep on Illinois. You know, Will Compton
does not does note. That's a good football team right there.
That's a good that's a good ball. Good name. Think
this is going to be a well coached ball team. Yeah,
Bill marsh mad See, I like Florida. Here's how impressionable.

(29:01):
I am.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
I don't know very much about basketball at all. We
get out of the car this morning at a specific spot.
We won't say where because we're shooting a little custom
mad Garrett as he goes to the game Florida versus Alabama,
and Florida went in a flow state mode where they
would just walk up on a three and drain him
over and over and over again, to the point where
Geez telling me he's at first mad, and now he's like,

(29:22):
I gotta just watch greatness even though they're beating up
on my own team. So now I just feel like,
all right, Florida, Florida's gonna be And.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
They got some big white boys. Yes, they down low
and they're very good. They're very active, they're long, like yeah,
Florida seems very athletically every position.

Speaker 9 (29:37):
And they are physical. Yeah, those boys down low can ball.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
I heard another physical team in the Southwest region area, Arizona.
The boys can get physical in there. I was talking
to a couple of homers from there. I don't just
sleep on Arizona. Yeah, Arizona boys are out there, obviously
extremely biased. Were like, don't be surprised when they beat.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Ue it's just like sure. And before we came on
the bus, He's like, if we can knock off Duke,
we could win the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
And I'm like, well, yeah, Baylor, Yeah, you understand why
I'm a little confused, right, based on how many teams
you have. But Baylor is his first his origins, your origin, right,
his origin, that's what I want to call it.

Speaker 10 (30:17):
Went to and graduated from Baylor University.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, the door, let's see. Oh yeah, here's a question.
I'll go grab it. Okay, thank you, buddy. Okay, we'll
wait on the question. Jack. How are you feeling about Tennessee.
I don't know, man.

Speaker 7 (30:35):
We didn't have a great final conclusion in that c C tournament,
but it's always good we got I think we are
in a really good spot of the bracket. Bracket.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I do like it.

Speaker 7 (30:44):
But the whole problem with Tennessee is we are like, well,
maybe to the elite A and then we lose. So
hopefully Rick Barnes can get it done. I think Rick
Barnes is gonna leave after this year. He might retire
because we have like six of our seniors that are leaving,
so I think he's.

Speaker 10 (31:00):
Gonna kind of fade out with them.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
But I don't know.

Speaker 7 (31:03):
Rick Barnes one of the you know, most elite college
basketball coaches that's been out there, and he's been in
the game for almost three decades, but he plays a
very older style of basketball in like a very evolved league.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
So I don't know.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
I hope we go deep, but you just never know.
This is March, so anything could happen.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, And another storyline I enjoy too is Kentucky just
because of that that meme that that old buddy gave us.
You know, he had the little he made the face
what do they call it? Yeah, the mean mug. Yeah
he been. He was mean mug and hardcore.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
I see you guys both have taken Kentucky to beat Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
How'd you see mine?

Speaker 7 (31:48):
I know, I see him?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
And you want to know why? Sure, the Kentucky Tennessee
game was the last one I kind of filled out
in the sweet sixteen and I'm looking around and I'm realizing,
like how much of a square I kind of am
picking all the Like my upsets are like in the
first round, none early in the second. And so when
I was looking at Tennessee Kentucky, I'm looking Okay, three
seeds versus two seed. I kind of looked at you guys.
You guys playing this year. It seems like Kentucky got

(32:11):
you one time and we got them. You're right right
recently most recently, so I was thinking, like the toss up, right,
thinking the toss up is like, Okay, I'm just gonna
go Kentucky here to get a three seed. Yeah, like,
let me let me this is a game instead of
one sees across the board. I also have and this
I was gonna ask you, sir, because I know you're
big into the Big twelve. Texas Tech is also like

(32:33):
one of your teams. They're a three seed. I have
them beating Saint John in the Sweet sixteen, which I'd
love to see Saint John go far because of Rick Patino.
I love like following all their stuff, that the content
that they've been creating with him. But it does seem
like Texas Tech could be a bit of a wagon.

Speaker 10 (32:48):
To to sell Tech. Uh, they are unreal beyond the
three point line.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (32:56):
They actually knocked out Baylor in the Big Twelve tournament
by making twelve threes in the first eight minutes of
the game. When they get hot, they get really really hot,
but their most important piece, and correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
I believe it's JT.

Speaker 10 (33:10):
Toppin.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
He's Big twelve Player of the year.

Speaker 10 (33:14):
He's the he is the Texas Tech big man and
that dude underneath the basket that goes across the board.
By the way, if you are similar to me, where
you are an absolute casual and college groups, a great
way to break down if a team has the ability
to go far is either one are they hot from

(33:35):
beyond the three point mark? Or two do they have
a nasty big man that no one can guard? And
that's how a lot of these schools that are the
higher seeds will make deep runs because they have one big,
nasty dude. N C State was a perfect example right
last year.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
That was last year in Purdue Perdue.

Speaker 10 (33:56):
If you just have one big nasty that is got
soft hands by the hoop, it doesn't matter who they're playing,
they can be anyone because if that team's missing shots,
you know he's getting the rebound on defense, and then offensively,
if his team's missing, it's okay. He's gonna get some
offensive rebounds, he's gonna get some fouls. They're better players
are gonna start fouling out. That's how you win basketball

(34:18):
games in a tournament because you have all the nerves
of the tournament teams don't usually shoot as well as
they do in the regular season, So that's a great
way to kind of break it down. If you're a
casual to this, you want to do a bit more
research on your gambling, go look up some of these
teams from these eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen seeds. See if
they have a big man. If they have a big
man that's putting up crazy numbers all year, that's a

(34:41):
team to choose. And that's my opinion. And you know
that way they say, like be safe, don't bet too much, responsible, responsible, responsibly.
I'm a podcast producer, right response.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
This is not real medical advice here. Yeah, you can't
prescribe these types of things, is what, all?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Right? I like that. I love looking at the fellas,
looking at the big fellows, the offensive line.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Of the best, the trenches, the trench warfare.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
I love that. I love it. I love the conversation too,
because we're falling a lot of circles. That's how everybody
tries to operate.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
I love that people essentially We're operating like a one
big group chat right now because there's a bunch of
people that are coming to watch our sports podcast.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
But oh, Will and Taylor will have answers. When we
sit here, We're like, we don't. I think people they
know that we don't. We don't have answers. Yeah, we
are shocked. We are going to shock the world. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
I think there's a huge opportunity on Thursday Friday on
these streams for people to make some good money, good
money going to this.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I might bring my unit all the way down to
ten dollars because I won my dog of the Day
bet with tailing you in Michigan. Let's go shout out
the boys. Turn ten dollars into twenty nine. I might
just operate off percentages than the actual dollar amount.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
That's a smart That might be a smart move, and
you can have more fun. It's like you kind of
walk into a casino and you're like, I'm gonna I'm
gonna win it all. Then you spend all your money
in the first five minutes, you're like, uh.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
And then the thing too with uh with March madness
is there's a lot of opportunity. So you could if
you get in the hole and you're just losing left
and right, and you're just like, all right, here's where
we get back on it. Next thing you know, you're like, okay,
I'm down quite a bit of mone. It sounds like
you're speaking from experience. Last year I was I. I
had a very bad percentage. Pretty much all of us did.
It was not good. We were believed keeping well, keeping

(36:26):
your same unit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You start
flying it around first to ten parlay this. Yeah, the
cat from Oakland is he gonna make this many threes.
He's like, you start getting into the weeds. I'm that
you got thirteen bets laying out there for like one game.
You're like, how did I get here? Yeah? Or you're
like chasing, like you know, if you're down, like a
live bet, you going at halftime and live bet something
else and you're like, this one's not turning over.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Something about being with a group of guys and live
betting like each well with football, every possession, what's gonna
happen in this position? But all kind of teamed up
doing our own thing because it's fun to put the
parlays the other before the game. But once the game starts,
like those things have to either fold or unfold the
way they do with the live betting. It's like you're
getting action right then and there, so automatic endorphin spike

(37:07):
left and right. Yeah, at the end of the day,
you go home, you're exhausted.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
What is and I know one thing that the that's
gonna be on the FanDuel Sportsbook twos. There is going
to be like this. I don't know what it's called.
We'd have to dive into what the exact verbiage is,
but kind of like a mulligan bet. Yeah, if you
have a pick like say you have say you have Alabama, Yeah,
bet back. I think that's what it's called.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
Yeah, I don't know if it's called that. We just
know it's a mulligan.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
It's a so so Mitch. The difference is like you
could have let's just say Alabama minus four and a
half and or let's just say Alabama minus eighteen and
a half. Like, say it's in the first round whatever
their big spread is against whoever they're playing, and there's
like twenty seconds left in the game and they're only
up seven, so you know they're not going to cover
eighteen and a half. You can go in and get

(37:54):
you a mulligan bet and get a bet back like
before the game ends, as long as you're doing it
on live bet. Yeah, bet back token.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
A bet back token turns your bet into a bonus
bet if you decide to back out.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
During the game.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Yeah, so you're not gonna get that money back into
your bank account. But I'll be like, hey, you want
to save it here.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
That's fine.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
We'll just put this in a little nest over here.
Whenever you're ready start dishing that boy out again.

Speaker 9 (38:15):
Yeah, but you got to be active. You gotta be
ready and paying attention for.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
You got to be great attention. You got to be
dialed in. Yeah, you gotta be dial a lot of
good tokens, a lot of good coins and promos going on.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Because that's a great note by Garrett too, because when
you get into streams and you're watching games, a lot
of times you can fall victim to what's happening on
the bird, what's happening on Instagram. When it comes to
these first couple of rounds. If you're gonahit that bet
back token, you gotta be dialed. You gotta know what's
going on. Good note, gee, that's a great note.

Speaker 9 (38:40):
I mean, we're gonna have multiple split screens going, so
you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Be we'll be excited, locked and locked.

Speaker 9 (38:48):
Maybe we assigned somebody to like, hey, keep an eye
on this one. Notify everybody, right, it's either eject or hammering.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I'm excited for the first kind of rival bet that happens.

Speaker 6 (38:59):
Well, we might have a while, but.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Just somebody has like a different like say, uh, Michigan
makes it to Auburn. Who's gonna what rivalry is that
I'm saying, like, if I'm sitting there, bet and I'll
probably bet all yeah, yeah, yeah, I can understand that.
I'm that brings us back to the uh I lost

(39:22):
my thought. But you can also.

Speaker 9 (39:26):
You could join you can join forces in that moment though,
and do the we.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Are you gonna say my feud against Michigan, Well you're.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
I was gonna bring it up. Yeah, you're feud against Michigan.
But it was also like the teams, the upsets that
you don't know why that work cannot come to me,
but the upsets. I was surprised it wasn't in your
first round because I know you've got a little deal
with Michigan. I don't have a deal with Michigan, and
we talked about it walking it feels like I don't know,
and I don't know. I don't want to put words
in your mouth. Maybe it's a jealousy thing. Maybe it's like.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
A no, no, no, no, it's best friend. Say when
you say jealousy, that's where the feud starts to spark
in my body.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
It doesn't have to be a few.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
You get it. I know. See now you're doing it literally,
you're doing the thing that creates some feud. I don't
have a few with Michigan.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
I understand why you would be upset based on how
the last couple of years have gone.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
But I'm not upset. I'm not upset about So.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
You're gonna look at me with that tone of voice,
and you're gonna look at me and say, I'm not upset.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
I'm ready to I'm ready to take down you see
San Diego, Like if they lose, I'm gonna I'm gonna
think to myself, damn it, this is the one that
I know logically, like everybody was kind of saying, this
is gonna be the tough one.

Speaker 6 (40:29):
I think we need to take a time out.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Gets too heated, get a bow time out and oh
a bow time You're gonna do a bow time out time? Yeah,
let's let's cool the jets for a second and the
main was gonna start coming out of it.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Let me uh yeah, we got a bow time out.
By the way, Mitch, nice surprise for you. We got
something I know tailor's about to talk about it here
in a second, but some bowberry waffles. We would love
to see if you can take these things down. How
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Speaker 2 (42:00):
Boj Angle says Friendships. The boy saw, the boy saw
get this lucy out of my mouth. The boy saw
that there was some there was some you know, some
heat coming potential heat. Yeah, like we can't cage little Cajun,
Little Cajun. Now, we gotta simmer it down with that
little blueberry. I will say that it is good.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
If you want to share, let me get little bit
to you that you got. See that little bite right there,
that's the one that when your friend asked, hey, can
I get a bite? You want to take that one first?
Will was not smart enough to do that though.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Right now, because the Cajun plays incredible by itself, but
you put it with that drizzle, that bowberry drizzle and
just sandwich between a couple of waffles. I shoot what
they're trying to do? That bite? You're the big biech
it all. I think you can take it down all

(42:52):
one bite, don't you think?

Speaker 6 (42:53):
No?

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Try? Well, you do have to try. For boys. Everybody
at home watching right now, they're like, is mit gonna
take this down? Or not thinking about your family watching
like they do every Tuesday night.

Speaker 8 (43:07):
I'm thinking about my grandparents, think about game game hip.
I'm so sweet they're gonna. I'm there's no way I
can do this whole thing, my dad, you or do not.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
There is no try. You got it. Just shove it
in there, shove it in there. Okay, all right, that's
a good bite. Though. That's a good bite. Now get
back to work. So I do. I don't hate Michigan.
We're back time in. Yeah, time in time in.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
It's it's very I mean a couple of weeks ago
you were sitting there saying we're back to hating Michigan.
I'm back to the downfall and back to this, back
to that.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
It's because you say some spicy stuff that starts to
spark that few. What do friends do? We gotta get
spicy up in here. I understand. I understand again.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
We just came off of you're so focused on the
bowberry glaze. Dude, I'm focused on cage and chicken at here.
You know, I'm trying to get a little spicy on
this bus. And it's very clear to me that you're
just hating. And I know I can be a pastoring
than with I hating. Come on, now, you said I
can't wait to watch Michigan's downfall a multi that's because
you pass.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
And this is after.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
This is after I said I want Nebraska to do
better than they did this past year.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I know I can recall the conversation. Oh you can,
so you remember being a little nasty. The problem is
I want you to be so on board because I
don't want to surround myself with mediocre thinking. Greatness hates mediocrity,
and mediocrity hates greatness. And when you say, hey, six
and whatever, seven and six whatever, that that game up
seven to five, that's where it's like, that's mediocre thinking.

(44:37):
And I don't want that that to me. I don't
want that part of my life that is one that's thinking.
Right there, here's my boss, you're my boy. So when
you say that, that's where professor starts like, all right, right,
and you know and you know that about me? You
know that about what do you mean? That's what fires
me up. I know this.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
I know Will Compton this. I know when Will Compton
goes in the off season, when he played ten full years,
in the end of that he focused on getting one
percent better. Being good consistently makes you great. So when
mische or when Nebraska goes seven and five, if they
go seven and five, you are being better every single year.
You're being good good, get it, which will lead to
eventually being great.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Okay, So I got a scenario. Okay, so let tell
me you're coming off. You're coming off. It's March and
we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Football right the rackets here, boys, But let's style it
in this and if you're bouncing back off of your ACL, yeah,
you just like, Hey, I just want to start all
year long, put on some good tape.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Just get better than I ended last year. Because I'm
coming off an ACL. Are you thinking I'm going after
I'm going after all of it. I'm going after all
pro super Bowl, Pro Bowl.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, I was going after what I was already achieving.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Is what you're just achieve it. The year before that,
the year.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Before that, five games, zero sacks, no pressure to A
was playing the best game football ever.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Great.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
So when I tore my ACL, my thought process was
get back to what you were doing, get back to
Taylor Lawan.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
And if I was just like, hey, that's kind of
those expectations are kind of crazy, Like you're coming off
a pretty a major surgery, like let's just let's just
have a good year of starting every game. Yeah, but
that's not I would be. I'd be You'd be like, bro,
you're my boy, Like we need to be going after
this thing together.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Yeah, we and we go after it. And I'm saying
we went after it, right, So okay, if that's if
that's the train of thought you're using, then let's go
after another bowl game. But you know what I'm saying
that you're I'm saying I was at my expectation for
myself and how I was playing was up here. So
no matter what I'm thinking, AC, let me buy see
what happens. And I'm like, how do we get back

(46:36):
to where we were? And so if we want to
use your logic. It's like, all right, well, we got
the monkey off our back of hitting a bowl game
for the first time since twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Let's go right back to just hitting a bull game. No,
I want these motherfuckers Capital one bull. I want these
boys fucking seven and five.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
I want the dogs out of our brains. Are differ
I'm trying we operate differently. You're we're saying the same thing.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
No difference is you're saying national champions No, no, no,
Well yeah, like that, that's all we're chasing. Dude, I
might need another bow time out.

Speaker 10 (47:07):
Hey, the analogy doesn't really hit the same because Taylor
was the greatness that he's trying to achieve.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
That was the year.

Speaker 10 (47:16):
Before he tore his a cl What you're wanting Nebraska
to do is like, hey, Taylor, your best years were
when you were in second or third grade. Like it's
been a minute, Like let's get back to that.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
And it's like, let's get back to six seventh grade
before we start looking at those grades.

Speaker 10 (47:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like it's been a minute.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
It's been a.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Minute, and it's okay, listen, listen, Nebraska fans.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
You guys are being way too rational in things. Lin
Louie just talked to you for a minute. Nebraska fans,
first off, I want to I want you to know
I'm on your side. I love Big Red, I love Lincoln.
Whenever I go on to Lincoln, the camaraderie, the hospitality
people being around you, guys are incredible, and I got
to witness you, guys Donkey stomp to call Hi out

(47:58):
of buffs who are a massive rival of you, guys.
I am on your side. When I say seven and five,
I'm not being like, oh, a little poor Nebraska. I'm
saying seven and five, like, yes, dude, let's get better.
Let's just get better than the year before, right, because
if we go six and six, we're like, ah, dude,
we're the same. I love Matt Ruhle, I love Royola.
I love that he's taking and he's literally trying to

(48:19):
do exactly what Patrick Mahomes doing, because why Kobe Bryant
did it for Michael Jordan, Why can't Dylan Roola do that.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
For Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
We just want to be better every single year, and
seven and five says you were better than the year prior,
So yes, you're gonna have the will comptence out there
and say no to your bust. But when it doesn't happen,
it's like, okay, well we disappointed it, but we went
seven and five like we're better, and next year's gonna
be eating four better and better and better and better.
That's what we want every single year. And I do
want to tell little story REQUI.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
You're a casual. You're a casual, and that's okay.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah, I'm a casual of my friend's team. Yes, yeahs
I am.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
But I also give me you see San Diego in
the first round, dude.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
And also you want to talk about ball real quick?
You guys want to get rock hard, rock fucking hard
watching some blocking go pull up. Late twenty nineteen, Tennessee
Titans offensive line. This weekend again, we're gonna do a
little camping situation. The weather's didn't permit, so we went
to the main cave and I set up a couple
of blow up mattresses. But then, you know, you know

(49:17):
how kids are, it's always a war at bedtime. So
one of my kids, who seems the wife, I sleep
in the man cave of my youngest daughter, and I
start seeing Andrew Whitworth and I are going back and
forth about how like he sent me the tweet he
put on Will Compton before he even tweeted it, like
just so you know, I'm about to put your boys
head on a stake, and hey, it's all good, don't
worry about it. I know my boy's got thick skin.
Then all of a sudden, who is the other center for?

(49:39):
I can't believe his name is Eric Wood? Eric Wood
post that out of nowhere. So I start thinking to myself,
like it would be an absolute shame. It would be
a horrible, horrible shame if offensive linemen around the years
of twenty thirteen to twenty twenty started just posting their
blocking videos Rogers Saffold twenty nineteen Raiders clips of them
blowing talking. Will comes in. So I actually go and

(50:01):
I found a couple of clips of me and Will
when we went at it Nebraska, when you try to
throw a punch at me after I brought you the sidelines, Raiders,
when when I walked you out and we got a
seven average.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
You guys average two yards.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
I'm watching I'm watching YouTube videos on my phone, like
eleven pm on Saturday night, of just these couple of
things and then I just start self sucking a little bit,
and I go to like the twenty nineteen highlights, and
I start watching these five men just put on a
fucking clinic of blocking. It was so beautiful, dude, It's
like the good old times, the good old days.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
You sit back there. I'm watching b.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Blocks with Roger Saffold and Taylor. I'm watching man Reaches
by Jack Conklin. I'm watching Aces by Josh Klein and
Ben Jones. Boy, dude, I might be one of the
greatest offensive the most underrated, greatest offensive lines that have
ever walked this earth.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
It was so beautiful to see.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
So when I tear my ac I'm trying to get
back to what I was, what we're trying, what we
ended up being Nebraska. We don't want to go back
to what we work because we haven't been there twenty fifteen.
So we want to this decade, the twenties, let's get
better every year, and then by the thirties.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
We're fighting it, baby, We're fighting it.

Speaker 10 (51:12):
I do have I do have a science experiment that
I would love to implement this.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
That's why I'll mess with you on a real level.
What do you mean you know I don't gotta go ahead.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Sure, the streets right.

Speaker 10 (51:29):
Now, the streets are saying that the Compton Curse is
a very real thing the street. It's all over Twitter.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, I've seen that.

Speaker 10 (51:36):
It's all over Twitter.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I can vouch for that.

Speaker 10 (51:38):
So I think we go to some kind of place
like Lids or whatever. We get some basketball jerseys for
sir Will. We haven't put some on cheer for that
team in March madness during the game, and see if
the Compton curse really is real. Let's put it to
the test.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, I'm done to do that to me. I just
think you get your lid bloodied over and over and over.
You just got to keep coming back because one day
it's gonna shake you legit.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Willis home Willis Homer Simpson when he decided to start boxing,
just takes punches and punches. Eventually, eventually that person's gonna
wear themselves out. They're so exhaust hitting Will.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
In the face. He just won't get knocked out.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Yeah, dude, it's hard to be the man that refuses
to I don't think that works. Sure, I mean, we
can try it, but I don't think I think Will's
heart truly has to be in something for the curse
to come alive if the curse is real, which I
don't believe it is.

Speaker 10 (52:27):
It's even it's even been with some of these bets lately.
If he if he posts the bet on Twitter, it
loses if he doesn't post it on Twitter, and then
he'll he'll post this winning and be like, hey, yo,
look what I want. Because he wasn't gassing it up
before the game, right, you need to.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Go what was that like?

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Like we called him McPherson up for that, right because
he would hit and he would post the winners. Like
that's maybe where you need to go. You need to
go with that, Like, don't promote your picks, just say
I've got picks. I'll let you know how it goes,
and then you post the winners, right.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Because Jack always talking about these winners. He's always hitting
on it, and dude.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
It's always on the phone. I specifically remember us, like
we're driving.

Speaker 7 (53:08):
All time, gambling stats. We can and do this if
we really want to.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Yeah, yeah, if you if you guys were to go
toe to toe, I assume you'd be prosperous. However, at
the point we're making and I remember us driving through uh,
Chattanooga and all of us are sitting there on the
border and being like, Okay, what parlays are we going
to put in? And there was a good long conversation
that took place. I can't remember what game I think
was in Georgia.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
You ever going to?

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, Georgia and.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
South Carolina, and everybody's got an opinion about what parlays
and we all dial in our parlays and we go
to the game, we leave, we get back and Jack's posting.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Parlays that hit parlays did it?

Speaker 4 (53:44):
So I think that's where they that's where they hate
kind of comes is like we see Jay, you maybe
have a beautiful mind. You get that ray man of
sports betting, and you trying to get better harboring all
the wins for yourself, dude, just feeding betting.

Speaker 7 (53:56):
I haven't done a ton of betting since football, and
I like to take this time to like do a
little just race. So yeah, soul searching, And I cannot
wait for Thursday because I'm gonna be dialing it up
in a big way. And so just so it's out there,
I will be posting all of my bets before tip
off at least an hour, so at least an hour

(54:18):
at least an hour of five seconds before tip. But yeah,
I don't want to rehash something bad. I will be
taking U see San Diego as my upset and has
nothing to do against Michigan. But I look at all
the upsets constantly and I can't find one that I
love that's like a twelve verse four twelve verse five.

(54:38):
So that's wrong at right now?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Jack, can I say something?

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Yeah, good Man's big and has nothing to do with.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
This is my first time dive in. I can hope
the Amazing Blue do well.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
But I don't know enough about basketball to you know,
plant my flag in the round and be like where
and winks, X Y and Z. I can do that
with football. It's hard for me me basketball. I'm watching
truly as a fan and just hoping for the best.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
It's it's gonna be awesome that there was a moment
we all, I think experience in elementary and middle school
or even into high school where that Thursday and Friday
where they put on all the games at lunch. At
least they did it in our high school.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
And you have those teachers that are just loving it,
and it's sports teachers.

Speaker 7 (55:15):
Yeah, it's basically yeah, it's basically like a free two days.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 7 (55:20):
Hopefully we got a couple high schoolers listening, and they're
maybe listening on Thursday, like about to go into these
first rounds, and I just hope they're getting fired up, thinking, Man,
I don't even have to focus today. So God, I'm
so excited.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
For Thursday economics class. He would do that shout out yeah,
and they love it, dude, I love so fun. I
love it. It's gonna be exciting. I can't wait. It's
gonna be a fun. Little time update with busting. When's
the merch store dropping? So we have an update with

(55:53):
the tornadoes and the rain and everything else. We didn't
get the merch that got to the shop on time, correct,
So I believe we're pushing the store drop. You were
gonna push it a week, push it a week. We'll
push it a week.

Speaker 9 (56:03):
But good news is we have almost fifteen hundred people
signed up, So shout.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Out to you guys.

Speaker 9 (56:09):
And if we get to two thousand, do we want
to do some giveaways?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
H we're getting the two thousand, yea, we're getting two thousand,
so yes, give me yeah, definitely one of the promise giveaways.
That is what you're saying. Yeah, I'm brainstorm and then
yeah we'll get we'll get in the think tank. Yeah, yeah,
I think goodways. But but if you're listening right now,
go to BWTB dot com and sign up dot com
and sign up, and uh, you'll be the first to
know when the merch drops. And I think there's gonna

(56:34):
be a discount.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Code man discount for the first twenty four to twenty.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Four hours, yeah, which will be big. But yeah, if
we hit up, if we get these, if we get
numbers up to absolutely we should give away merch to the.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Tier ones and there's gonna be uh. I mean, I've
seen the merch. She's done a fantastic job. There's some
new stuff, there's some og stuff, Like it's exciting, it's exciting.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
What's about to happen?

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Yeah, that one thing we were texting about last.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Night, whispers of the bow tie coming back, bow ties
coming back.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
We got sweatsuits, yeah, travel suits, travel suits for real.
And I saw that, I like, I scrolled through it
pretty quick last night and I got to that bottom
and I saw that sweatsuit and I was like, oh
my god, let's go the bow tie though, and the
bee it's back, just kidding, and.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Best sellers will be back too.

Speaker 6 (57:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (57:22):
I picture all of us, well not all of us,
but everybody. That's like going on a spring to your
trip in the airport, matching sweatsuits. Yeah, just walking through
the terminal. That'll be hot. But yeah, I'm down.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
It'll be hot. It'll be hot.

Speaker 10 (57:34):
They what team is that?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, people are looking at the squad be like, that's
not a team we have. Yeah, he actually look like
a basketball team. We got all the high Taylor.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Yeah, but I feel like in basketball, I'm like normal,
if you're like a.

Speaker 9 (57:48):
Point guard six, you are like a point guard.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Though, I'm like, yeah, it's one in the n b A.
I mean, I mean I feel like on the high
school set, no easy buckets around me.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Hell what pool basketball?

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Well you already know how that goes. I'm talking about
high school basketball. You need someone to own the paint, buddy,
I can nile though some.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Bows in the paint.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Yeah, I'm not afraid to get a little dirty.

Speaker 9 (58:13):
But yeah, shout out to all the people that have
signed up already. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Yeah, that's nuts. Let's let's bump that up to two thousand.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Pump to five thousand, Holy Ship brask expectations on that one.
But I love I'll get behind that.

Speaker 10 (58:30):
If we hit five thousand. What would you give away?

Speaker 4 (58:33):
A jar of will conference sweat, dude from the sauna.
That's what we need to give a jar will sweat.
I'll get it myself. We have to get we gotta
get it. We gotta get to five.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Giveaway Jersey have some raided ones in the closet. Still,
what about your sweat? I'll give away a sweat.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Okay, we put in a little yeah, little Mason jar
maybe yeah, Mason tres a lot of sweat.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Well, I'm talking about them. A little eaty beaty.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
Ones, little shotglass of sweat. You can maybe meet and
do a little necklace for somebody, be like, oh, what's
on your what's on your neck?

Speaker 2 (59:02):
There? Oh? Nothing? Hard work? Yeah, that's what that is.
I mean speaking hard work. Did you see my uh
you see my throwback video last night? No? Come on, man,
what's your whole neck? Like?

Speaker 6 (59:15):
You know?

Speaker 4 (59:15):
I pull it up because I might have seen it,
but I don't.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Things going viral right now? Okay? Which one is it? Me?
Wrestling at ten years old. Okay, I did see that
this morning, and I am a pit bull. Look at
the grainy film, bro Cody. For whatever reasons, just reliving
the youth days back home. You gotta be in the

(59:40):
got Yeah, he got a VC art to work, so
he had this stuff up on the screen.

Speaker 6 (59:44):
Which are you bill?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
He's the one in the blue yeah Navy. Yeah, he
put his little ass day go to the Yeah, here
we go. Now we go set up. Look at your
boy in the back. Look at you're right there staying
up right there. Your shoulders are wild. This a fake cut.
Go into a cradle. So usually when you take the

(01:00:08):
diamond position, because you know when you uh in wrestling,
you'll either get top or bottom. If you're on top,
you like get around their stomach.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Do you want to queen? Move this stuff so you
can show me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
No, no, no, take sure, take a minute. But you
get around that. You get around the stomach. You know,
you place it on the elbow, rep slowly run the
belly button, and right when it touches when the whistle blows.
But I'm going diamond like, Hey, I'm gonna diamond cut
him like I'm gonna put my hands on his back
and I'm gonna let him up, give him a point
because I know he can't take me on my feet.
Go Diamond, I'm on the side, and instead of letting
him up, I just go for that cradle, just heading

(01:00:37):
aside and crank him up. God damn, I understood most
of that. I'm watching that, and I told Cody, I
was like, I can't believe that kid never won State.
I'm watching him like he has it in him. Sounds
like he didn't have the drive. You try to quit
in high school. Well, I quit in sixth grade and
didn't come back until my parents starting to ground me

(01:00:58):
in high school, which is just nuts. His wrestling is
a different that's a that's a different animal game. It's
a different world. Bro. Is there a piece of you
that wishes you had a little call flywer? I do no,
But that's like, yeah, you said a little bit of
call fire. This is a little bit Yeah, yeah, I
see it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
You always got a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Little bit of call flower. I tried skipping school when
I got this car flower. Yeah, that's we came acting
acting all beat out, like I just wasn't feeling it.
Had some car flyer, A little blood coming from the ear.
How cool do you feel they drain it? No, because
it didn't get puffing up like Cody's gotten his drink,

(01:01:39):
because he's got call fliers, like Cody was an actual
real word, Cody's You don't mess with Cody. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
You see Cody at a bar and he's poking in
the chest. You let that poke happen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Yeah, Coddy, that's when you pull aside. You're like, buddy,
what are you doing? Like, we're just trying to have
a good time out of you don't got to look
at everybody thinking they're trying to fight.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
His version of a good time is you know that
goes that.

Speaker 10 (01:01:58):
It's just there's no really he's down in thirty eight
and he's staring everybody down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Yeah, buddy, we're on vacation.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
There are guys you go and you hang out if
you're you're at the house pre gaming with the boys,
just like, yeah, we're have a good time. He's all
smiles and then they walk through the bar door and
it's like a trance comes over there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yeah. I thought, I.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Yes, gat gonna bring up Severed because it sounded like
that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Severn season finale this week. I am so down the
rabbit hole on every theory that is out there. I
follow the Severns fan club on x I've been checking
out everything, any message board that I can. I can
fill my braind with severance, and I have no clue
what's gonna happen or what's going on. We gotta be careful.

Speaker 9 (01:02:39):
Jack hasn't watched yet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
You haven't watched Jack. He's a Knocksville. Yeah, no wedding
all weekend.

Speaker 7 (01:02:45):
So I got back last night.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
And you didn't watch it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:48):
When you got that, I started watching it in five minutes.
I fell asleep, but you after It's on the to
do list tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Bro, Jane, all right, should I bus We're gonna do this?
He doesn't. He does a little mom what is that noise?
He's like, I wish you'd take them roll And she's
like cutting this little egg and You're like, dude, this
dude's a little psycho. Bro, you're not listening.

Speaker 10 (01:03:13):
Are end on the mic?

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
You guys were in the middle of a podcast. Gart
started to whisper the things.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Go ahead, hey, so, or when she's at her desk.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
You can talk. You have to talk about I was
just playing into them.

Speaker 9 (01:03:24):
Or when she's at her desk looking at the little
code yeah, and he walks in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
My helly, She's like, what the fu? Yeah, bro, I
don't know what's gonna happen this week, but I am
so locked the last scene.

Speaker 10 (01:03:37):
I'm telling you, something's going on with the sister.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Something's going on with the sister, Mark sister something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
When she pulled up in Colebell's like she's one of James,
like the the Jame guy is kind of like this
epsteinish figure. It feels like this elite Well I'm just saying,
I feel like there's so many like calls to the
things that have happened like that happened in the world.
It's like, uh, mil Check him turning against the system.
Everybody else using big words. Miltcheck's not for whatever reason,
you gotta talk dumber, like some racial ties going on,

(01:04:05):
and he's just like the man in the system. Milcheck's
gonna turn Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:04:08):
And we did get one of our og boys back
on our side, who Dylan, And I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Off dealing with Hey, he's he's got to prove it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
He's go to prove it. Deal.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
But he's such a pussy dude. If you're hitting severed
but in you and you're seeing your wife in that
in the in the room. It's like, why is the
real life dude? Why is your audi getting upset that
she's like having dates on the inside with your severed mind.
It's like you could have some fun with that. I
mean they're like, hey, can we hug and kiss? I'm
looking at my wife like, hey, I would need you to.

(01:04:43):
We'd have to get down in this little private room. Yeah,
and then go home and talk about it. Like I
feel like like that would be It's me, it's my brain,
you know what I mean. And he's mad and he
walks out because he feels like she's cheating on him
with him.

Speaker 9 (01:04:55):
Yeah, because Audi dealing doesn't get Hose.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Well, he's a he's a punk at home dude. He's
not putting in the real work.

Speaker 10 (01:05:02):
He also milkchick. That's milkshake, Taylor. You've you've been hearing
milkshake around the office, same guy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Yeah, yeah, I understand. And milkchick getting hit with that
work life balance.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Jackson over here is sitting like a flash bang just
went off in his ear, Like we we wrap it up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
No, almost, go ahead and finish your thoughts I was
just in his ear or some ship like that. Right now,
Mark telling Milchick about like he's like, man, it's just work, man,
Like I'm just gonna take today, and it's like it's
hitting miltcheck that he sacrifices absolutely everything for this company
that continues to be little him and pat him on
the head and say, hey, get in line, Miltchick's gonna flip,

(01:05:42):
and it's it's all starting to come to.

Speaker 9 (01:05:44):
Yeah, he already flipped on the one guy that was like,
that's your job.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Devour feculence.

Speaker 9 (01:05:50):
What does that mean, Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Eat something ship feculence. Yeah, eat shippecespecs. Mister Drummond, Dude,
I love.

Speaker 9 (01:06:03):
The edit that you sitting in last night, Chirm Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
You know what I love about you, the fucking intentional
words you put in sometimes, like I know when you
like something, I always will know when you really truly
enjoy something.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
I love this show that it's so amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
It's like one of my favorite qualities of yours is
the passion in your voice when you truly into something.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Thanks that is season finale. This week's in Miss Wong,
the way they kind of treated her tonight. Just go
to your thing and you see that everybody's like this.
These are raw moments of she's actually a child. The
way they're kind of passing around. You're going to take
this shuttle and you can see the little bit of
fear she has of just being young. Dude. Again, the
show is is all time and the Little Nuggets It's again.

(01:06:48):
The Severn's fan club followed on on on x is
follow me, follow me at Underscore, Will Compton both Instagram
x TikTok. All right, we're back. Oh speaking to TikTok.
We might as well just shut out the boys follow us.
Oh are we really? Dude? Well, let me ask you
a question.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
First off, I know kind of said this while we
was talking love these que cards slippery thet I've kind
of they've been fumbling.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
It was good method. Like we've read the Bojangles, we
gotta throw them on the ground. Yeah see, I'm not
doing that. I'm all, I'm all mixed up when I
want to read the bow Jangles. But let me ask
you a question.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
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a taco restaurant operator in Arizona, and a life savings,
medical Innovator, and Tennessee have in common. Tell Us Taylor, Well,
they're all small business owners. They're all thriving on TikTok.
Across the US, over seven point five million businesses from
the from family owned shops to entrepreneurs, are using TikTok
to compete and grow. In fact, forty percent of businesses

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on TikTok say TikTok has allowed them to scale their operations,
increase sales, and expand to new locations, and that growth
means jobs. Today, they're over seven point five US businesses
on TikTok employee more than twenty eight million people, and
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Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Thanks man, you know I've been doing a little bit.
Is I've actually.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Well yeah, I've actually I start reading the Q cards
before the show. So my brain's like, you've done this before, buddy,
Like you just keep on keeping on. You've seen these words,
you've been a part of these words. Don't let them
get you terrible. And I haven't done a fucking thing
for my to get the lasik or whatever it needs.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
To be Donebility, you know what the problem is?

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Done with that one too, and that one. You know
what the problem is is, I'm gonna do the lay
Sick and then my wife sends me a bunch of
horror stories on lay sick and now I'm scared of
lay Sick.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
I'm still gonna do it, but I'm a little I'm
a little afraid now.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
And then something about like being on the podcast and
just kind of maybe it doesn't go right.

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
Comes to doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Okay, it mustache coming at my wife.

Speaker 8 (01:09:01):
No, Taylor's awesome, but it's like, hey, you know, I'm
gonna try it. I'm trying to do this. Why are
you gonna make me scared of doing it?

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
But my wife is a nervous version of me, which
I need because if my wife was like me, I
would be we'd be dead.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
We would essentially be dead. It wouldn't be overdone with
that one too. You know who is seeing the field? Well,
who's seen the field? Well the Cincinnati Bengals. You know,
before we go to Cincinnati Bengals, I want to say
something about TV shows. Okay, okay, Florid.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
I just sat here for fifteen minutes and I just
heard gibberish Season four of Shorsy it's out and I'm
almost all the way through. Jack, have you looked into
it at all?

Speaker 7 (01:09:37):
I've seen the first episode and a HALFSD episode two,
and then like five minutes of the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Third Big transition season. Yeah, big transition.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
It's all about Shorzy. He's getting away from hockey for
the first time. He's anybody who's ever played sports, whether
a high school, college or in the professional league. Eventually
you got to hang it up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
Shories is in this nice ger not nice career, this tough,
greer area where he's trying to figure out what's next
for me. That's gonna fil the void that one of
what I once was. And it's a fight boys.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Is he listening to Busting with the Boys? I hope so.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Jered Keyser needs to be on this bus. He needs it,
and they could just be him sitting there because we'll
be like, hey, have you seen the show?

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
And I was like, no, Okay, get off, we need
to I'm done to listen to this show though, you
know what I mean. I'm done to sit there like
yourself in severance and talk through it. Uh yeah, I
feel like I was.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
We did it one time and I sat over there
and that was fun. And now it's become like a
weekly thing for you guys, and I know next week
I'll sit on this show again. Well you guys break
down the finale and I have to hear Jack have
tonightus again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
In his ear? You know what it is too. All
you need is that one comment that says love the
severance talk. Yeah, just one, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
We can have forty that's say stop at the severance talk.
But if one guy is like love the Severance talk,
it's not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Yep, it's not going anywhere. But that's all I say.

Speaker 9 (01:10:48):
I think I'm gonna dive in once we get through
March Madness and Severance is over. So I'm starting at
season one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
People don't know how big that is. That's huge.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
It's been a year and a half of us talking
to Garret about get let's go, Yeah, getting on shore,
Because buddy, I'm just telling you that's you will love
that show. If I know my g baby the way
I know my g baby, G Baby's gonna love that show,
You're gonna love it.

Speaker 9 (01:11:12):
I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
It sounds like you can March Madness seven and then
after that.

Speaker 9 (01:11:17):
I can wait.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Yeah, he can wait, but not for very long. Yeah,
it's gotta be in this year, this calendar year, right now.
But go ahead, talk football. Will, Bengals are doing great.
I was just gonna say, I'm talking about lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
I'm like, okay, where can we find a little transition
to talks NFL talk?

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
You know who's seeing the field Will? Yeah, the Cincinnati Bengals.
I don't think they're seeing the field that well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I think they're starting to.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
I think they understand they have key pieces they have
to keep in the locker room. I think Jamar, Chase
T Higgins, Joe Burrow, those guys all deserve the contracts
they have.

Speaker 7 (01:11:47):
If you go to our Twitter or Instagram, you can
pull up a graphic that our amazing graphic designer Cooper made,
but shows how much money that LSU.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
Team six and sixty six million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Yeah, it hasn't guaranteed.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Derek Stanley Junior to signed a three year, sixty million,
three year years. Okay, so three year, ninety million dollar
deal then. But that Yeah, that team, that team just
in a numbers value is probably proving to be the
greatest team of all time, like that was it twenty nineteen,
twenty nineteen LSU team. That is insane. But let me

(01:12:21):
get back on my Bengals take for just a one
more second. I love the fact that they're keeping these
these pillars on their team. However, your team wasn't very
good last year from a record standpoint. Your defense was
not very good last year. Joe Burrow as amazing as
he was, and it probably had the numbers to win
the MVP. They couldn't get in the playoffs. They had
themselves in a situation where they did not control their
own destiny in December. So now you got to get better.

(01:12:44):
You're keeping the pieces you need, but you're also letting
Trey Hendrickson walk away, who is a stud for your team.
He's an all pro.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Type of guy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
He's got to get to the quarterback on a consistent basis.
He is now a disgruntled employee. He wants to go
somewhere else he probably will, and now you have a
worse defense. The hub retired, Yeah Hubbard, the Cincinnati kid.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Who had a great highlight like walk away from the
game video. Do you see it. Phenomenal stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
Little mini JJ Watt, Yeah, walking around there with a
little biotical arm. But I just think, yeah, you got
you gotta add pieces. I looked in they added like
some fifth year DT who was a fifth round pick
from the Packers. Other than that, not a whole lot
of movement and free agency for their defensive on the
defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Which I get.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
I get you want to keep those pieces, but boys,
we gotta we gotta strengthen that defense up if you
want to be if you want your your defense to
be on the same level as your offense. Your offense
is incredible. And by the way, there's like one hundred
and fifty million dollars on the receivers in the quarterback
and then I think their whole offensive line and is
like at like sixty nine million. We need to spruce

(01:13:46):
those numbers up a little bit too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Yeah, I mean they still have holes. But if you
look at last year, like, yeah, they had a very
bad defense. To me, I don't think you can go
anywhere butt up, even though you're losing these perennial players
like Trey and Sam Hubbard, because with Trey, it's like
you can only pay so many guys that at a
number there that they're going to be happy about. And
this offense, the way that they were performing, like even
though they didn't make the playoffs, they were still like

(01:14:08):
on that back end of the season, they were like
a playoff contending team. They were for they were zero
and four on like walk off field goals. So again
it just comes down to a last second kick with
a brutal defense. Again they have they had guys on
that defense, but as a unit they were very bad.
And so now they know that they can just get
to work on getting young and getting good on defense

(01:14:30):
because they were as good as they were on offense
last year. And both of these wide receivers are playing
when they're kind of disgruntled about what their future is
with the team that they want to commit to them,
now they know this team is committed to them. Joe
Burrows happy because there was a rumor a week or
two ago about, hey, if Bengals aren't doing the right thing,
Joe be might be asked to trade and who knows
if that was even real or not. But now that
they've solidified these pieces on offense, they know that they

(01:14:54):
have to get better on defense, and I think, you know,
you start trying to find these cats in the middle tier,
lower tier free agency that can help your team out
play good defensive football, and then you're gonna have to
You're gonna have to win in the draft. But I
still think that they're set up in a very good
position to grow off the year that they had last year,
now that they got their receivers happy. And again they
did lose these key pieces on defense, but defense was
a question mark for them anyway. Like if signing is

(01:15:15):
signing Trey Back going to make your defense better, Like, yeah,
if he's not on the team, like you get a
little worse there. But again, you already know you have
a lot to fix defensively anyway. You can't just pay
a guy like Trey try to get to some number
that they might compromise on. And he's still a little
discrinnled and pissed off kind of doing his own thing
on the defensive front, just thinking about sacks. Yeah, you
need some guys to play team defense on the Bengals
because it's not hey, we're not gonna lean on you.

(01:15:37):
You know, you want the room thinking, hey, let's lean
on us to win games. But you just need you
need guys playing team defense in Cincinnati, because that offense
is what's gonna win you these games because you got
a killer under center, and you got these weapons now
on the outside. And it's like I think about the time,
it's like them signing Jamar Chase and t Higgins. It
like gets back to the years of when you know
terrell O and Jinotcho Sinco were on the same team,

(01:15:58):
or you had these these supers our receivers, Like they
have two contracts out that are in like the top
five wide receivers. A very happy offense. Yeah, you got
to get a little bit better on the offensive line.
You of course have to pour in defensively, but I
think that they've established like the cornerstones now, the cornerstones
that were already there are now extremely happy that they're
getting paid. So I think it's just gonna build good
juju going into this year.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Yeah, you're definitely the offensive set of the ball. There's
there's good juju. And you brot up a good point.
This might be my offensive bias, but you don't necessarily
need to break off.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Your your defense. You just need eleven guys playing as one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
Everyone has to understand on what they do how they
do it edge wall swarms as you need eleven Willie
seeds with a better tam.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
It's all you need.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
You need eleven guys with a will Compton mentality and
a little bit more of a tan from an athletic
ability standpoint, and you're rolling.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Yeah right there your top.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
You need a couple of guys that can rush the
passer because you can't be putting corners in safeties. Will
you see corners and safeties and positions to be covering
all day long? Yeah, you got to get to the quarterback.
You can do that with exotic blitzes and stuff, but
you much they have four guys that can powerhouse their
way to a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Now you know a team that needs to make a
move or it needs their move to happen is the
Steelers Rogers in my opinion, because you're looking at a
really good AFC North, especially if the Steelers get Aaron Rodgers.
You got the Ravens, the Bengals, the Steelers. Of course
the Browns with the Browns, they're not gonna browns, are
gonna browns.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
The Browns are gonna brown And I think it's I
love these edge Rushers, these Max Crosby's, these Miles Garretts,
these these guys no, no, no, these guys that are not uh,
these guys that are like, I'm mad about where I'm
at and then they get broke off. They're like, never
wanted to leave. Actually, I love It's a game of chess.

(01:17:43):
It's a beautiful game of chess. And I think that's
awesome because that at the end of the day, we
want our boys to get paid. Yeah, Miles Garrett needs
to bring his big piece on this podcast. Yeah, and
we need to show them that photo and be like
is this real or is this Grays? Yeah, just Grace. Yeah,
that would actually, well you think, what do you think of.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
The u the rumor or the headline with Aaron Rodgers
and the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
I don't know, it'd be cool for the story because
he's then he's following the exact footsteps of Brett Farv.
But it didn't work out that great for Brett Farv.
I like I I like him in it, but I
like like Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
I feel like still has more.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
I believe he has more train in the tires than
people believe he has. I think he's still that guy
and he needs a good room. And I think the
Steelers make so much sense to me to have DK
Metcalf Pickens, George Pickens and Buddy Justin Jefferson. I understand O'Connell.
If it's me, I would want to write my own
story a little bit differently. It's just I think it's

(01:18:45):
just because the Brett Farr progression. I love Tomlin too.
I think I love I love to fit for the stairs.
Obviously he's gonna do what he wants. And there are
the rumors that Aaron Rodgers is kind of just waiting
on the vikings. But I think you got JJ sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
Pat Mahomes comes out and says, JJ mcarthy has the
best arm he's seen it in forever. He can make
all the throws, all the things, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
You have those weapons.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
It's a great learning curve for a guy like JJ McCarthy,
who's it'll be his first year starting. He saw Sam
Darnold how the success he did. He's got the guys
you just said as weapons to dish it out to
and allow them to make the plays to build his confidence,
like why not why not go with this kid?

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Liss? They know something that we don't know. That's probably
what's taking so long for the Vikings to get back,
because it is. It's like, if you're Aaron Rodgers, I
think the Vikings would be the better fit over these
teams that are trying to get Aaron Rodgers because again,
you're going into an offense that goes with O'Connell, Wes Phillips,
you got Brian Flores as a decoordinator. Like, that's a
defense that's going to continue to just get better. They're

(01:19:40):
already very aggressive, Like you're going in a situation that's
prime for a run the Steelers, Like, yeah, they've gotten better,
but again, who knows how much. If you're Aaron Rodgers
looking at it, and you're looking at the Steelers and
the Vikings, I just think the Vikings would be a
better situation to go into.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
And it's at the end of the world, it might
be a better situation for JJ if Aaron comes in.
I never got to learn from a vet that's been
there for a while. Hopefully Aaron takes a leadership role
and be like, all right, I'll bring this guy along
with me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Let's see how it goes. But yeah, I honestly think
this is the last year for Aaron. I mean very
well could be. Yeah, you were talking about just Tredd
on the tire. I'm thinking what maybe two years max.
But this is a this is a one year all
in situation for whichever team's trying to get him. Yeah, yea,
So maybe it could benefit JJ, but I'm sure that's
probably what's taking the Viking so long as they're having

(01:20:33):
all of these conversations to see, like what kind of
move that they could make for Aaron Rodgers. He'll be
turning what forty two at the end of this year. Yeah, ripping,
he's getting up there, but he can still spin it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
He can spin it, and he's got he's got some
savviness about him. Yeah, he's got about him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
I get you. You're you're talking about Tomlin, who's much
more of a defensive minded guy. Yeah, but Arthur Smith,
like that would be a great combination. And then you
look at the Vikings. You got Phillips and got O'Connell,
like that is an offensive mentality right there to where
they're just level two. They're just operating level two and three.
And again you got these cats that have been that
have played for those coaches and been in the system.

(01:21:11):
You got a dog and Justin Jefferson as you're one.
Yeah you do have pickens and DK, but you know,
j Justin JJ is about that life in ball Addison,
Aaron Jones, I mean you have some weapons studs. Yeah,
I'm I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
I just see like everyone's conversation revolves around Aaron Rodgers,
not as talent, a little bit of better of his age,
but mostly it's about all the extracurriculars that go on
around him. Maybe be able to talk about the distraction
of the Pat McAfee show and all these things. I've never
seen a coach like Tomlin handle those type of situations.
You go back to Leveon Bell, Antonio Brown, like having
those types guys, the Pouncy Brothers, Alejandra Villanoeva, all these

(01:21:49):
unique and different personalities under one roof. It seems like
Tomlin is a guy that can always keep the boat
level in those situations. And I think that's why he
would mess show well with Aaron Rodgers and get the
best a just allowing him to do the X, Y
and Z things, let him run the playbook he wants
to run. I know I've seen Arthur Smith sit down
with Ryan Tannehill before games and Tannehill bluntly going, I

(01:22:11):
don't want this play called. I want this play call
makes you call this on that, And you listen to
those conversations and you go into the game and you
realize the situations that Ryan was talking about with Smith
are now being called and we're having success from that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
So Arthur does a great job of collaborating with his
quarterbacks and just allowing things to kind of come to him,
which is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Yeah. Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
I mean, good options all around. Yeah, but the Minnesota
can't be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
You want to hit that real quick. Yeah, let's shut
out the boy Burt Kreisch.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
To talk about Burt Kreusher once again, I want to
remind everybody that he put up three hundred and twenty
five pounds. The bet was three hundred and twenty and
so now we must promote him one thing. But once
again we have another ad reay with two things on it.
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Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
That is today, folks. Yeah, shout out the boy bird,
shout out the boy.

Speaker 10 (01:23:08):
Bad.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Better throw, better throw.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
So yeah, dude, a lot of exciting things, a lot
of exciting things.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
March, most draft is coming. Mitch's mustache, Mitch's mustache. He
is a different man. We need to get a photo
of Jared up to Jared shaved his face, and I
think the audience needs to see Jared so he.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
Looks like, what's the what's that kid's movie? The Spy
Kids with the thumbs? Yeah, yep, that's uh, that's Jared.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Yeah, he's he's down bad right now. The head part, Yeah,
he did.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
He did look wild and I was, you know, I
was being nicer Jared. Oh yeah, sorry, you'll grow back whatever.
Jared will walk through like, goddamn, see you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
You don't look like a goon? Is that not Jared?

Speaker 7 (01:23:54):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
There? Just some glasses on it. Them boys are ripped?
What a good movie? What a good movie?

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
Is there anything else we want to talk about before
we let these people listen to Stephen Ella.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
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best Wingmen's right. I know, we just we did a
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looked in you had a smile on your face that
you might be ready to roll. Yeah, I feel good
about mine. Yeah, I feel strong about mine. Saw this
last night and I immediately got.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
On got on my phone and started looking up the
greatest waymen in pop culture history, and I realized that
the answer has been in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Front of me the whole time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Oh please, So my Tier three is going to go
to Doug Glatt. Doug the thug Glatt the movie Goon.
He is the greatest wingmen of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
La Flem.

Speaker 4 (01:26:33):
He is a goal scoring hawk on the on the Highlanders,
and he can he can shoot and score, but he's
lost a little bit confidence after he took a big hit.
Doug the thug Glat comes in and protects him, bringing
his confidence back to a whole new level, willing to
make the sacrifices physically so his boys can make the
goals finessely. So I have to give Doug the thug

(01:26:53):
Glatt my tier three when it comes to wingmen. My
tier two could have easily been Tier one. By the
way this is, this is like a one A one
B for me is gonna go to Jeremy Gray wedding Crashers.
That is Vince Vaughan's character, a man who has the
moves he does, tells the jokes he does. He rambles
on and lays on the sword for Owen Wilson John,

(01:27:15):
his character John, while he's trying to court this woman
over and over again and eventually finding love along the way.
There's not a better wayman than that, except for my
tier one. Now, my tier one is a real individual.
I've seen so many times. This man close for his boys,
whether it was college or high school or wherever. He's

(01:27:35):
talked about it on Bad Friends podcast. My Tier one
is myself. I am the greatest man all of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
No Mooch.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
I've done work for mooch too. I've done work for
all my boys. Dude, there's nothing about a shameless friend
that's willing to walk over to anyone at any time
and tell them, Hey, I'm here for you, but not
just me. My boy's more here for you than anybody
else could ever be in their entire life. Walk with me,
talk with me, and I'm gonna bring you over to them.
Have a couple of drinks, see where the night goes.

(01:28:06):
At a high percentage too. That at a high percentage,
not to mention. Also from a recruiting standpoint at the
University of Michigan, I only lost one guy ever, all right,
I only lost one guy in the recruiting pitch.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
So that's my tear.

Speaker 11 (01:28:18):
Talk manself to Tier one self glaze very.

Speaker 10 (01:28:29):
Safe week to do that with no JP on the
bus that could have been.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
I thought about putting Patrick Starrs my honorable mention for
JP as a tip of the Katha JP, I have
some tears.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
I want to hear your word first.

Speaker 12 (01:28:47):
Solid, well done, hyphenated, hyphenated, big guys.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Mhm, vain but good though, vain but in a good way. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
Yeah, all big guys is a good comment. Gee, that's
really that's detailed, that's thought out, big guys.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
I'm trying to figure out how to how to rate them,
how to rate my three? Right now? I love them all.
Take a moment, take a second, not too long, though,
I think you have to. My tier three is going

(01:29:39):
to be Vince Vaughan from Wedding Crashers. Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
Sorry, well you think that's low, you have the floor
we get we can break all that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
You think that's low? Yeah, I mean vis Vaughan incredible
waiting Crashers, the maneuvering he does, Yes, the boost talking
out out you on my hair, just a tip, just
for a second, just to see how it feels. I think. Uh,
Vince Vaughn is my three, my two and man, I

(01:30:12):
don't want to say this, but I'm gonna go with
the boy. I'm gonna go with the boy Taylor, and
he's right, like I have zero experience with him, but
I you just you see the man work, and this
is a guy you talk about no quit fight at
the end if he were to get a challenge like that.

(01:30:33):
I do think. I do think it is Taylor, Like Taylor,
Taylor is up there. I mean, you're Tier two. And honestly,
it pained me to hear you tell yourself tier one,
because honestly I was about to put you there. Really,
I was kind of helping you go first with the
hope that a go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
I'm all smiles right now to my cheeks hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
But yeah, man, I think it's you. I think again
a lot like Vince Vaughn, you know, very first pot
I guess we did on OTP. Like my comparison for you,
like personality wise and everything else was is Vince Vaughan
out of like a wedding crasher's movie. And I think
you operate on that kind of level. And I give
you the nod because I have a personable relationship with you,
So I give you the nod over Vince Vaughn and Vincy.

(01:31:14):
If you're out there watching my Tier one's gonna be
none other than Barney Stinson from How I Met Your Mother.
I think Barney Stinson is yeah, have you met Ted.
He's just he's a wordsmith. He's suited. He's like, let's
suit up. He's got a theme for all of it.
When you're stepping out, he's like, let's get let's get

(01:31:36):
suited up, let's get suits on. He's got a closet
full of them. And he's just That show How I
Met Your Mother was It's probably my favorite sitcom. And
I think we've done tier talk before on sitcoms, and
I do believe How I Met Your Mother might have
been my number one. But I love that show and
I love the character of Barney Stinson and I think
that guy is the number one wing man of the game.
And if you ever had a night out or had

(01:31:57):
the ability to have one with them, I think you
it would be a memory that you never forget in
your life. And so that's my tear talk.

Speaker 9 (01:32:05):
I'm watching How I Met Your Mother for the first
time right now, season four, so I'm very happy. I
know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
How great is that show? Phenomenal? It's so good, a
good show. Ted is a bitch though it. Yeah, I
don't like how much. I think he's a little.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
He has his moments and in all the moments I'm
thinking about in my head of him being a bitch
I have actually done myself. But still it's watching it.
It's like, God, damn it. Man, he's the vulnerable one,
and you can be vulnerable, you can be you can
be vulnerable yet dangerous. You can feel strong, you'd have
a soft size, you can have all the things.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
It just shows, but then the side side characters aren't
what they are unless ted is the way. You know
what I mean? True? Well written, yeah, very well written.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
My one word, amazing, elite.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Incredible, greatest you've ever done. Yeah, I have never had
a better moment on this podcast.

Speaker 7 (01:33:04):
Hyphenated legend, wait for it, let's go Jack g G
looked at me and he goes, wait for it, Darry,
and then he asked the mic, I go, don't steal
my So that's me and G's I guess tier two.

Speaker 9 (01:33:24):
That's my that's my hyphenated tier two.

Speaker 6 (01:33:29):
Damn good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
The boys fuck not have been my favorite tear talking
all the time, and that's you. Guys said that to him,
thinking like, damn, that was a good teer talk, smiling
and if I would have went first, I think you
would have been the one really. Yeah, I just the
double back you would add said kiss, because I think

(01:33:52):
you got it.

Speaker 9 (01:33:53):
Man, I'm surprised you didn't put it like I.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Just wanted to put a fictional character to in everybody,
Like if you've watched How I Met Your Mother, everyone
that Barney is only once Barney Stinton rolls off the tongue,
it's gonna be.

Speaker 9 (01:34:06):
What's that Insprised you didn't dow Ryan Reynolds.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
And what like?

Speaker 9 (01:34:09):
Just in general?

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, the attention, but get away. Ryan
Rods are kind of in a different It's a lot
going on in the internet between Blake Laveling Ryan Reynolds.

Speaker 9 (01:34:20):
Oh really, should we dive into.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Not the best? Yeah, not a good look for a boy,
he continued.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
Yeah, can I see something without knowing nothing as something
without knowing? I don't know any context at all about this. Yes,
So I'm just gonna say something.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
I'm a fan of Brian Reynolds.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
Okay, that wasn't that was no, No, No, I wasn't gonna
just regardless of what's happened, He's talented and like like stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Okay, yeah, you thought we were No, I didn't know that's
what I was. Oh no, I just.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
Feel like a lot of times, like a lot of
times when this this this stuff happens, people just toss
you out to the side. Ryan, I want you to
know I'm still a fan.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Yeah, yo yo, yeah right yeah, probably a beautiful piece. Yeah,
I'm fired up about that. To your talk. You know
who just missed the cut and again zero ex Joeys.
But you just assume based on the stories and everything else. Delaney.

Speaker 7 (01:35:21):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Honorable mention to Delaney Walker. Yeah, good call, because I
was like, do I want to go, like, you know,
do I want to have two characters fictional? Because I'm
sitting there, I'm thinking about thinking about Taylor, I'm thinking
about Delaney. I'm even thinking about my boy Logan log Yeah. Bro,
Like he's just got this spirit about him. He'll approach anybody,
he'll approach any group and being on Bachelor parties and
everything else with him, like he's just got that spirit

(01:35:44):
about him to where it you know, he's not the
most intimidating, but he just he has a confidence that
it doesn't you know what I mean, you know, you
know what it's like you might you might eye up
a table of gals or a group of couple and
the boys, and I'm one of them. You kind of
wanted to where you're little, you're nervous dances. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah yeah. Like I'm one of the more nervous guys.

(01:36:05):
I'm not like that. I'm not like a tailor. I'm
not like the guys. It's like they don't think nothing
of it. They have the confidence, they have the bravado
and everything else. I don't know if it was the
teeth I had when I was young, to where there's
just like a festering that happens where it's like, hey,
you know, how are we gonna how are we gonna
go approach this group? And there's just a guy in
the group that just has seems to have the confidence
in the all the confidence in the world that just

(01:36:26):
that they you're like game strategizing with the fellas. And
then there's this one that's like, oh, yeah, why why
are we spending so much time talking about this?

Speaker 9 (01:36:32):
He's already at the take, he's at the table, like
why you're talking?

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
He's leroys. Yeah, and he's got the you know, he's
got the ladies coming over to where you're mixing it up,
you're talking and everything else, and Logan's got that. He's
got that ability.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
Shout out logan, because you need a guy. Yeah, you
need a guy that hits. And a lot of times
the guys that are like the type of confidence, they're
in it for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
They like to go in.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
They know what they're doing, they know what their mission is. Yeah,
it's a it's a different kind of guy. It's like
trying to you gotta push it off this. Hey, this
is how are you? Everything's good? Boom, pass the ball,
to pass the ball to your boys.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
And but that ball ultimately comes back around. I mean,
we're we're very happily married, but.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
No, I'm sorry to process the ball back around thing here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Like, yes, the the vibe you give off, it ultimately
works back in your favor because you're making it all happen.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
You're you're like the guy that's facilitator.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Yeah, that's facilitating a little thing. And then you know,
the ladies start talking to that gentleman because they have
the ability, they have that approachable ability, you know what
I mean. I feel it's like the guys that are
that are like us, you can get in your own
head about how your game and your strategy is going
to be and it's ultimately it's like a paralysis by analysis.
You're like overthinking it. With the guys who can approach
and do everything else, they're making it about a purpose

(01:37:42):
bigger than themselves. But at the end of the day,
that one that one can win. I'm never more beautifully
done than again. Like Rob, Yeah, and I was gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
Make no because I don't I've never seen him really
be a wingman. Like Rob is definitely one of those cats.
Even in high school, like we would go to places
and he's like, oh, I'm gonna go home and change
real quick, and then he just would not ever come
back out because you know, somebody would come over or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
And even now like I will, like.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
I remember specifically, like when my wife and I first met,
I went and got pizza with Rob, my wife, Tilon,
and one of Taylor's friends and Rob comes in. If
we say what's up. I introduced them as the first
time Tailor and this girl have met Rob. Rob goes
somebody use the bathroom, we sit downtail and goes He's

(01:38:27):
fucking hot, and I'm thinking I'm trying to court Tailing.
So I'm like in this like interesting little like Okay,
how do I navigate that world right now? Right? Because
I brought you? But I realized this is what Rob
Bogie's beach and you're the sand, you know, and that
scares me a little bit. But Rob just has it
about him. And it's not about Rob how like confident
he is. It's the it's the laugh, it's the smile

(01:38:48):
and the laugh and that beautiful head of hair that
he has. He's just he has it. Mike Campanaro has it.
Who else there's one camp.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Will go camp. He's he's like a guy that will approach. Yeah,
he's gotta to approach. But I feel like the honorable
mention Mike men.

Speaker 4 (01:39:04):
But also is Mike working for the boy or is
Mike working for Mike. That's why that's where the wingman
think it's a little pulled apart right there, because I
think Mike walks into the situation. He sees, he sees
the field, he sees the entire thing. He's got no
peripheral vision issues. He knows where he's going, he gets
where he's going, and then he gets out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Like Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
Mike's a ninja smoke type of guy. Like all of
a sudden you'll see a dust and he'll be just
out of the out of the room. And that's why
I think is beautiful. That's a whole another game that
I don't There's a lot of rules out there, right,
a lot of rules out there. Yeah, Mike's a finisher. Yeah,
he's a finisher. He's a closer.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
You know. It looks like you put me behind the
eight ball and I'll figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Yeah, Like it's almost better if Mike stumbles and falls
to the ground at first. He's like, good, got the
first hit out of the way type of mentality. So yeah, dude,
shout out fucking the boy, shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
This tear talk, Yeah, fun tier talk. Should you dive
into the interview after just bouncing ball everywhere? We will
dive into this interview after we shout out and Neutral.

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Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
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A crowd pleaser. See here, let me tell you about
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There's a little bush league, a little softball league. Hey,
we're going to the bush guarden. We're gonna hang out,
We're gonna boos, we'renna have a great time. We go
into this liquor store. They come out. Quinn Taylor's bow
is like, you got to try these things. I look
at him like, wasn't neutral? He's like, no, Neutral. We go,

(01:40:49):
we grab these things. I put down three, four, five,
fifteen of these boys throughout the day, well probably through
the course. You know, we had a bump numbers up
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There's just enough carbonation in there where you're not your
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Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
God ayoy know, just I'm just fired up. Big tiny kisses,
gotta have it. Enjoy Steve Vanella.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
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shout out Saint Louis, Missouri. Steve Vanella. I will say, Taylor,
I don't know if you feel this way, but and
I don't want to slight any guests we've ever had,

(01:42:28):
but I feel like Steve is the most fascinating guest
that we've gotten to sit around talk with experience, and
I'm excited for this interview because you're You're deeper than
all of us. I feel like every story that you tell,
you can just hang out with you and you have
a story for absolutely everything, and you get to learn

(01:42:48):
about you a little bit. You got your you start
to find your niche and writing, and you have this
way of storytelling and bridging the non hunters with the
hunters that come, the conservation stuff, just the history of hunting.
You're able to bring it all in in every experience
or the two experiences that we've had hunting with you.
So I feel like you're the most fascinating guests we're
going to have on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
That's great, man. I don't want to say anything to
ruin it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna end.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
No, He's He's absolutely right. Like coming up here last
year we wanted a little duck hunting. There was obviously
some nerves because we knew, like we were aware of
you from well, I mean the first time I saw
it was on Joe Rogan and just you're the the
amount of passion in how intentionally you are about conservation,
about hunting all like, and you now will and I,
who are too domesticated cats are walking into Montana like

(01:43:37):
God's country to sit with you and all your professional
buddies to go on a hunt. It's like, man, I
hope these guys like kind of embrace us a little bit,
because I don't know if you've like not, I don't
know if you notice a bit like in the Man's
banned community, there's always like this like egotistical like kind
of dick measuring competition going on. I don't know if
you guys would be like kind of laughing at us.
But we came in and you guys were awesome, Like
you guys just treated us as like legit like we were,

(01:44:00):
but in a good way, like hey, we're going to
teach you up. You know, these are the dues, these
are the dons. You guys are great with gun safety
and all that. So it was it's been it's been
a fun second experience as well. It's just awesome, So
we do appreciate it. What is what is it like
having guests that don't necessarily know what they're doing in
the hunting world.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
I enjoy it. I've always liked it because it lets
you let's it lets you see the world through uh
fresh perspective, a new perspective. I got started and doing
a lot of a lot of the outdoor stuff, hunting,
fishing and trapping and all that. I got into very young,
so I have no recollection of starting out doing it,

(01:44:41):
and it is really it's exciting for me to bring
people in and have them see it for the first time.
That's one of the reasons I like to get out
with my kids a lot and just like kind of
see it through new you know, to see it through
a new perspective. And I think at a point too,
when you get like.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Not at all just turned off operation. You're running Steve,
what he bumped the light switch there?

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
So we're still rolling though, we're still didn't go.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
Out, just the light go with your kid's new perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Yeah, and then there's a thing that happened. I hear
people say that this happens, but I couldn't even picture it.
Happening is uh, people say, well, eventually just more fun.
Touh like, see other people have success. You know, I
got this body mine. Uh do you name Zuck that I.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Hang out with a lot, does his own Facebook?

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
Nokay, no, this dude, No, this dude's last name is
just straight up Zuck. Uh. It just ends at the
K guy Zuck called mother Zucker. Uh. This dude, like,
so he's hunting his whole life. You know, he don't
hunt now. He only like it's just like he just

(01:46:01):
don't seldom.

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
Yeah, he just he just likes to take people and
just whatever it is he just has where he doesn't
need to do it anymore. He just wants to have
He wants to help other people. And uh, you know
I could picture I'm not I'm not there, but I
could picture that more and more happening. Right, It's just
fun to take people.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
I think, did you have fun watching me miss the
coyote yesterday?

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
I had more fun watching that happen than than if
I had gotten it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Yeah, it seems like it sounds like, based on listening
to the other conversations, you could have had an opportunity
to get it too. Well, there was a gun in
your hand and you decided to lie. If I had
that gas gun, I would have put it down right
when you miss it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Well, the main thing I woke Yeah, it's something I
woke up in the morning and I thought I was
gonna grab my shotgun. If we'd had a shotgun, we'd
have had it. But he just he came in. He
came hard and fast. Yeah, Rabbit number six was the
sound we were playing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Yeah with that call or like you're playing a video game.
You're like, oh, I got these new calls. Let me
try him out. Max. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
Yeah, Max was showing me the film and dude, the
intensity he came right, okay, yeah, all right, go.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Bro and him and I'm sticking putting myself in Will's position.
I was so nervous. Steve was under the weather, so
he wasn't at the shooting range the day before when
we're trying to dial in the shots and you're messing
with the tripod and you're trying to lock it in
and get a good shot, and obviously the targets aren't moving.
So when we get there the next morning and they're like, hey, Will,
you're gonna go with Steve, I'm like all right, you

(01:47:37):
know you're feeling the nerves, like all right, I gotta try,
and I want to try, and you know, make Steve proud.
This is my captain. And so we sit down and
within were then sitting down. Within five minutes, he puts
the call out there and right away it's like, hey, hey,
there's one there on the right, Get on it, Get
on it. Are you on it? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
You're gonna you're gonna shoot it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Shoot it when it stops. And then I'm like, I'm
trying to get it dialed in and realizing my tripod
like okay, I can't set up to where I get
it tightened up. And I'm scoping in on this coyote
like it doesn't seem like it's going to Scott stop.
This thing's moving and he's like, shoot when it stops.
And then it wasn't stopping, and it keeps coming in
faster and faster and the vaulge will be out soon.
And I started just trying to follow it on the

(01:48:15):
scope and he's like shoot it and he and then
there's a pause and he goes, are you.

Speaker 6 (01:48:19):
Gonna shoot it?

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
And I'm like yeah, I take a shot and missed
and I looked to the right and I see Steve
and he's just laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
Just having a fun.

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
It blows me away, like you, Stephen and go was
with Garrett and we're like just the intentional walking. First off,
you guys are men's on mission. Like you guys are
just going at a pace that there's no domesticated human
being can actually go at and walking like Garrett. Garrett'll
just start walking and I'll be like walking behind. I'm
like kind of like watching his feet and stepping where

(01:48:49):
he steps, and then all of a sudden, he'll just
abruptly stop, like adult, You're just gonna look around a
little bit, and you just He's like, I was like,
all right, I have no idea what you saw, but
picking out even you and the targets the day before,
he'd be all right, go to F whatever it is,
seven hundred fifty yards off to your left, and I'm
just like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Got this scoping my hand.

Speaker 4 (01:49:10):
I'm just doing figure eights trying to figure out where
the hell is this F And I find the number.
You're all right to the left of that, Okay, to
the right of that. And it's just you guys' ability
to just see the world out of the like the
live the live animals that are walking around is just
mind blowing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's that kind of stuff like definitely comes
from a lot of exposure and shooting at the range
is great and you learn a lot of shooting at
the range, but never you can't replicate the stuff like
what we saw with where there's like timing, yeah, you know,
timing and then trying to predict like behavior and you

(01:49:48):
know it's it's tough, man, it's tough. You gotta have
you know, it takes a ton of field experience. But
the the walking deal, that's the thing that's always bummed
me out. As there's no sort of glory uh uh,
there's no like Olympics ship do you know what I mean?
There's no like championship walking for just walking through the

(01:50:09):
woods man or like walking, you know what I mean,
Like there's no record, there's no way that you ever
get formal recognition for just being really good at like
a measured pace walk. Do you take do you take governing? Body?

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
You take pride in? Like are you aware that you're
just burying me as we're climbing?

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
I'm aware that Like, yeah, if I started to run,
I would have shin splints would be terrible. But if
it's just like a walking, yeah, it's like I'm I'm
extremely good at just regular walking.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
Yeah they were climbing, just regular walking, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
But catching those beavers too, Like it's I felt like
a newborn deer just trying to like get around and
then all of a sudden, I'm like in the MUDs sinking.
And you were smart too, because at one point you're like, hey,
if you want to just grab these other traps, and
I'm thinking, I'm like a little kid, like no, I'll
go with. Your dad was just in the back, like
I'll stay here. You've had enough of Steve, you boy,
I'll just come with. We're walking Around'm in the middle

(01:51:06):
of telling some story that Steve doesn't give two ships
about it. Not just my left leg all of a
sudden just goes like, you know, three feet and the
thing I'm like kind of stuck for a little bit.
He's getting like multiple traps while I'm like prying my
leg out. You just you just understand terrain.

Speaker 1 (01:51:20):
You know that that spot right was joking, had you
walk into that spring yea and get stuck in.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
That body, I almost dying there. We'll go ahead and
check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
Yeah, there's this little there's a there's a spring. It's
kind of it's a it's a warm spring. It's not
warm to the touch, but warmer than the stays open
year round where that water comes out of there. And
I had waited in there, and I was joking about
getting stuck in there, but like, later, look, I went
into this little mock pocket and got stuck. And then

(01:51:53):
later it was kind of like thinking like, man, but
you know, you were to myself like I was stuck, stuck,
and I realized I was like, what would you even
have done?

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
And I'm like, well, because my buddy pulled me out
of there. But I had my phone right here, you know,
so I would have been fine. But like the second
time I went back there, when I was with you,
I left my phone on the dashboard, and you know,
you kind of all kinds of close calls in your
life and stuff. Dude, if out of if no one
knew where you were and I'd got stuck in that
mudd I don't know that. I had a couple of

(01:52:24):
things I could have tried to get out of that
mud hole, but I don't know that I would have
gotten out of that mud hole someone trying to explain
where I was.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Yeah, because we were talking through it. You would have
had to take off your waiters and try and like
swim out.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
That'd be the thing I would. Yeah, I guess the
next thing you try to take off your waiters. There's
this place and this kind This is a harrowing story,
but you know, you guys have been to the town
of Anchorage, Alaska.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
There's a hurd stories. Yeah, you know cap'n Cook. You
ever hear a Captain Cook?

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Does he have a cereal?

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
The great Sailor? All the cereal I've.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Heard of Captain Hook named the cap'n Hook.

Speaker 7 (01:53:00):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
There's this the city of anchorages on the sink called
cook Inlet, And there's a arm of cook Inlet called
turning an arm. And it's just it's got silt like
it's different kind of muck, but it's got silt like that.
And uh, but it's also got a tide. And there
was a story from years ago. It's just so like
Heroin to think about where a woman walked out on

(01:53:23):
that muck, got stuck in that muck, and the tide
was coming up, and there's like first responders there trying
to extricate her from the muck and no jokes, drowned her.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
God, that would be such a scary way to.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
Go out because you're not only stuck in the muck,
but then the fucking water. Yeah. Yeah, that's just the worst, man,
you know what I mean. I'll tell you guys about
that dude in the ice, you know, ship Like that's haunts.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
Being found frozen, holding herself up, knowing that you're trying
to get out and just there's nobody around but the
lady in Alaska getting stuck, like she's got to be
so panicked, and then see the first responders and.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
There's got to be a sense of relief like all right, thank.

Speaker 4 (01:54:00):
God, I'm going to get out here.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
And they go to help her.

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
But then they're like, hey, we got to get out here,
and they have to injurally make the conscious decision that
we have to walk away from this lady and let
her die, you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
Know, trying to help her breathe through a tube and stuff.
There's certain like there's certain like get like weird, you know,
with outdoor stuff. People spend a lot of time. I've
written about this fort in various ways. People spend a
lot of time thinking about, Oh, I'm gonna get attacked
by mountain lion, I'm gonnaet attacked by a grizzly bear,

(01:54:31):
which is great to think about. But like then when
you're out messing around and doing stuff, you realize all
these kind of like really mundane dumb ways to have
something bad happen to. You know, all your mental energy
is like, you know, me and my body's rise like
this never ending debate, you know, like should you have
your pistol or your bear spray? You know, and you

(01:54:52):
don't even think about or you just get stuck in
the mud.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
It out.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
The pistols you want?

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
You just stuck what's been your closest call.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
The and reviewing it back in my head. There's there's
a thing that happened with UH in Southeast Alaska. We
have a little fish shack in a remote area of
southeast Alaska. You fly into our fish shack and UH
when I before we were married, before me and my
wife are married. We we're out one night and it

(01:55:31):
was right around between Christmas and New Year's and we're
out in our boat at night coming back from deer
hunting and hit a submerged log so hard that it
like we're going pretty fast trying to get back before
it got dark, and hit a submerged log so bad
that it knocked the engine back up in the boat.
Like the engine like I am up into the boat,
you know, I'm the on the tilt, and the bow

(01:55:54):
dove down and just scooped up a big old mouthful
of water in that bow. And we were out in
this we were out in this big chan on the water.
There's at that time of the year the water there's
upper forties and you can't last anytime in that water,
you know. And and dude like reviewing it my reviewed

(01:56:15):
in my head. We were like, so you never made
the beach. You've never made the beach.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
I to know that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
I met this guy there was coast guard up in
Ketch Camp, which is near there, and I'm talking about
going to distressed vessel things, you know, and he said,
like it's always the same thing, like people's dying the
water so fast. And then he said, one time they
do a call and they get there and there's two
people that were they had to hit the beach, but

(01:56:44):
they're just dead on the beach from hypothermia, you know, yeah,
and that like that water if they're serious. And I've
always taken my kids out and we take them out,
and he realized, like it's it's yeah, you're just playing
with I don't want to say playing with fire because
like a lot of people do it. It's just that
that's a sketchy environment, you know. And I'll and I'll

(01:57:05):
bring up to them or bring up to other parents.
I'm talking about having kids and raising kids is like
I like to kind of put them in a what
I call it like an arena of consequence. Do you
might like to bring your kids into situations where there's
like real ramifications to stuff, do you know what I mean?

(01:57:28):
Like it's like real, you know, and and I like
to do that with them. But then sometimes you also
realize that that if something bad happened, you can imagine
like the articles about what the idiot you were right,
you know what I mean, who would ever take little
children yeah out in some eighteen foot skiff, you know

(01:57:49):
what I mean? And you'd be like and people be like, oh,
Darwin Awards, you know, and all that shit, you know,
you know what I'm saying, And you'd be like that
you'd be like that, never you'd be You'd you'd be
remembered as the idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
They wanted to put him in an arena of consequences.

Speaker 1 (01:58:02):
Yeah, and you would. Yeah, they wouldn't remember you as
like the dad trying.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
To like you learn today.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
Yeah, dude, we uh when we were trapping, you were
talking about just like these these muskrats and hey.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
They used to be forty five dollars. Now you probably
five dollars for these.

Speaker 4 (01:58:25):
Beavers, And like you could see the passion in your
face and your voice about just like just trapping and
even said, like, when I was growing up, that's what
I wanted to be was a trapper, which to me
growing up in Arizona, I think it is like one
of the craziest comments.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
I've ever heard of my life. Like I never thought
I thought that like died in the eighteen trapper.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
But the next time we talk, I'll explain that there
was a path forward for you in Arizona as a
Bobcat man. But I could outline it for you. You
wouldn't need to have what you would have needed to
have done.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
Yeah, you have a Bobcat trapper.

Speaker 4 (01:58:58):
But I see, like, obviously the Metater brand has become
you know, every time we come here, oh the last
two times we come here, like I have. I was
in Vegas this past weekend, people are like, Hey, the
meat Eater stuff you guys did was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
All my buddies in Cave Creek are like, I can't believe.

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
Yeah, yeah, you know Cave Creek.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Oh yeah, shout out the boys. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
But you've built such a such an awesome like company
and everything like that. Like, where did you transition from
I'm going to be a trapper to you know what,
I'm going to start writing, I'm going to start being
a conservationist. I'm going to go and oh, I'm gonna
start a company called me Eater and made people more
aware of hunting and fishing and the right way to
go about these things. When did that big transition happen

(01:59:36):
for you?

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
When I So, I started trapping monskrats when I was
ten and was just consumed by it. The reason, one
of the reasons I liked it was it was kind
of there's this thing that these two things that would
work together on it. Like I liked doing it, but
I was also very interested in remem We're talking about
Daniel Boone. I was very interested in these, like these

(02:00:02):
guys that we now call long hunters, like the early
deer skin hunters, and very interested in mountain men and
these other groups of guys that would go out and
just supply the skin trade, like fur trappers and hunters
and shit. I was just fascinated by that stuff. Part
of while, I was fascinated by this because I liked
to do it too, and these were like these these

(02:00:24):
were these iconic American figures who made their livings doing that,
had all these wild ass adventures, right, So I want,
like when I was little, I wanted to make my
living doing like as a hunter and trapper. The only
contemporary version of that would have been being a sort

(02:00:44):
of like like generalist trapper who traps for fur and
whatever else when they're growing up, you know, or getting older.
And it just became untenable. At the same time, it
became untenable because the economics that work out because of
this mark, there's a market that like really fluctuates wildly.
I got interested in writing, and for a while I thought, well,

(02:01:07):
what I'll do is I thought I could supplement my
income from trapping as writing articles about trapping went to
college as afterthought, like I don't really know what's the
test you're supposed to take? When you like, what are
the acts? Is that what you did? Sat Like, people
tell me there's no way this is true.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:01:28):
I went down and took the as VAB. I took
the military test and thought about going to the army
for a minute, changed my mind. I don't think I
took the college test, like I honestly, god, I don't
think I remember going down to the community college we
had where I grew up. It was a Muskegan County, Michigan.
I went down to the community college and I wrote
a check for six hundred bucks for a semester of
night classes, and that was and I began college like reluctantly,

(02:01:52):
really yeah, reluctantly, dude, and I kind of fell in
love with it. But I took two years of night
classes and just kind of started getting into school and
like getting more into writing, and then pretty soon I
was I was very pretty soon I was very focused
and dedicated on like becoming a writer. Uh, whenever I

(02:02:13):
give professional advice, I always point this out, Like when
I give professional advice now to people, I always tell them,
Like if I'm talking to kids or whatever, I tell them, like,
never have a Plan B. You guys probably know what
I'm talking about because you made it a thing that
was impossible to make it into, Like it's impossible to
become to be in the NFL, right, right, So it's like,

(02:02:34):
kill any plan B because it'll be more seductive, it'll
be easy, and you'll just you'll do a Plan B.
If if the Plan B is sitting there, it'll it'll
be the draw is too strong, like you'll be sucked
into your aversity strikes.

Speaker 2 (02:02:50):
You'll look back at that Plan B and be like
it would be easier just to do that. I can't
just pivot to this lane.

Speaker 6 (02:02:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
Yeah. And so.

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
Even though my plan A was like to be a trapper,
my plan is to be a writer. Once I once
I settled on that idea kind of like that sort
of an adult notion of what to do is like
to be a writer, I was it was I was
either going to do that or I was gonna die,
you know what I mean, Like there was no other option,
Like I never entertained other options about it outside of writing. Yeah,

(02:03:20):
I was like I was going to make it work
as a writer, and and for years, you know, it
was it's hard for years, right, Like it's it's hard
to get there financially, but I don't if you're not married,
if you don't have kids who're not married, like it
doesn't like there's no you're not like Actually, poverty just broke, right,
it just broke. So you have years of being broke

(02:03:41):
as a writer. But I eventually got there, and uh,
and just by being that that's what I was going
to do.

Speaker 2 (02:03:49):
You know what was the one thing that started to
catch catch traction in the writing world that started to
shift like, Okay, now I can start supplement money, making
a little bit more money. Like when did that momentum
started writing?

Speaker 1 (02:04:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
I you know, the.

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
There's there's a meritocracy to it, right, there's there's absolutely
a meritocracy to it. But there's also like a connections thing.
I got lucky. There's this there's this writer he used
to be very prolific writer. There's his writer named Ian Fraser.
He wrote this phenomenal book about the American great planes
called Great Plains, where he just spent years cruising around

(02:04:31):
on the Great planes. He's really he's really good about culture, writing,
really good about like writing about landscape and Western American
West and Western history. He had this book, so he
wrote this book, Great planes. I love this book. It
wound up being the weirdest deal, where like he had
never gone hunting, and he'd written all about like he'd

(02:04:55):
written whole books on like the La Cota Sioux and
and all this Western stuff. I hadn't hundred for some reason.
And I got a chance to take him on his
first deer hunt. And I took him on a canoe
trip for deer. He gets a deer, and meanwhile we
talk a lot about writing, and he takes some of
my stuff and sends it, takes a piece I wrote

(02:05:15):
and sends it to Outside magazine. And this is in
the very late nineties ninety nine. The piece published in
two thousand and I had written a piece about that
we used to go to the bar. When the bar closed,
we would go out and sleep inside this dam and

(02:05:36):
then fish whitefish and steel head inside the dam at daybreak,
you know. And I wrote this whole story about doing this,
and he gives it to Outside, his editor, Outside magazine,
and they bought it for four thousand bucks, which I thought, dude,
when yeah, I went there was this like I was
living in Missoula, Montana when I got that four thousand bucks.
I remember, I bought a topper for my truck which

(02:05:57):
is like eight hundred bucks, and went out to Hot Springs,
Montana and basically just hold up at Hot Springs, Montana
in a like room for a couple of days to
try to just process the like the windfall.

Speaker 2 (02:06:13):
Yeah yeah, the amount of money.

Speaker 1 (02:06:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:06:17):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
After that, it's like I got it, I got the topper,
I got a topper. I'm gonna blow a couple more
hundred here at the Hot Springs Hotel. Now what's my
path forward? And uh yeah, that was it. It was
just like it was. I remember that dude telling me
in the in the writing world and everything, it's changed
so much, Like I'm this is an old ass story, right,
this is the year two thousand. But him saying like

(02:06:44):
he said, like as a writer, he goes, somehow you
just wind up with like a stamp of approval on
your head, and he goes, I don't understand it, but
all of a sudden, you get it, and you got it.
You get like the stamp of approval. And so and
in those days, there's one hundred way to do it.
But in those days there were certain magazines that once
you would publish in those magazines, it was like your

(02:07:06):
stamp of approval, and then all of a sudden people
would like you could sell a book. Right. It's just
like also in the whole world opened up to you
all of a sudden, you know, TV people call either
about development, you know, maybe they want to license something
you wrote, or get an option on shit you wrote.
I don't know, it's just all of a sudden, like
you struggle, struggle, struggle, struggle, then all of a sudden,

(02:07:27):
like some imperceptible piece of thing happens, and it's in
all of sudden just life becomes easy.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
And so he told me that would happen, you know, yeah,
Or he told me that's you just get You need
to get the stamp of approval. You'll know when you
got it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
Yeah, it was true. Man, Outside, our magazine was a stamp.

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
Huh, Yeah, that magazine and I wound up being on
the mast headed Outside. I wrote. I wrote a lot
of articles for Outside that wrote. I wrote all over place.
I wrote like I did magazine. I did magazine bits everywhere.
I did everybody. I wrote all the tons of mags, sines,
and then to start doing books, you know, and then
and then from books got in from books got into
doing television television kind of got into doing podcasts.

Speaker 2 (02:08:09):
And then were you excited about television because you were
talking about you know, plan A was trapper, Plan B
was writer. Then writer becomes plan A. When TV starts
to come in the equation, that's like another opportunity, you know,
getting in front of the camera.

Speaker 1 (02:08:24):
No, not in not in and of itself at all.
I felt like it was a I felt TV was
a way to I felt TV was a way to
kind of round everything out with with books, Like I
thought it would be a way to find audience and
find readers, you know. Liked that the primary Like, at

(02:08:45):
any point in time, if someone said, if at any
point in time, someone came to me and said, hey,
you gotta you gotta choose, like you can you can host,
TV host, or or you can write anytime, I I
would never, without a doubt, I would always go toward writing, always, always,

(02:09:06):
if if I ever had to make the decision, but
I always just looked at it like part of a thing,
you know what I said that the I always looked
at it as like part of being a writer was
doing that kind of stuff. Remember I said, the industry
changes so much over time and and being back and
like when I was starting out that magazines were a
good way to come in, there's one hundred ways to

(02:09:27):
come in. I mean, you guys are media. You guys
are like media professionals came out of athletics, right like that,
I wasn't aware of that path to media, and it's
it's everything changes so much, like you couldn't do it
the way I did it anymore. But what became obvious
to me over time is it became obviously over time
that you had to learn you had to think of

(02:09:51):
like your world as a set of ideas, right like
it's and the set of ideas lives, and it's this
thing and you can hold, like you can hold this
set of ideas and like, imagine that there's all these
sort of conveyor belts moving away from you, do you

(02:10:12):
know what I mean? And you could have this thing
in your hand, it's your set of ideas and you
can just randomly place them on these conveyor belts that
move away from you. When I started out, it was
like there was only one and it was like it
was writing for publication, you know, and so every idea
was placed on that thing, on that one belt, right.

(02:10:34):
But now I imagine that it's this array of belts
and it's like it's podcast material, it's it's television stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:10:43):
I've worked a little bit, I've worked on some documentary stuff, right,
And it's instead of thinking that I'm doing all these
different things, I'm still dealing with this contained object, which
is my ideas. Like the things I can about and
where I put them isn't important to me, right, It's

(02:11:05):
just important.

Speaker 2 (02:11:05):
To me that.

Speaker 1 (02:11:06):
Yeah, it's like this remains like my fucking thing, do
you know what I mean? And I don't really care
about all that shit. That's kind of how I've come
to think.

Speaker 4 (02:11:14):
It necessarily evil to get your idea, this thing out
to more masses so they can enjoy and understanding more.

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
Yeah, exactly. And and I went to kind of like
I went to at what at the time was a
I got into a pretty like a prestigious writing program
and uh at University of Montana. And at that time, man,
it was like with the Internet coming, people were deathly
afraid of the Internet. Man, people were deathly afraid of

(02:11:44):
like every thought that like that you were this that
that like writing books was the intellectual purity and everything
else was less than you know, and and everyone was real.
You know, you could you could get real snobbish about
all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:12:00):
But I just you never fell in that trap.

Speaker 6 (02:12:02):
Well I did.

Speaker 1 (02:12:03):
I fell out.

Speaker 2 (02:12:04):
I could.

Speaker 6 (02:12:04):
I could see it.

Speaker 2 (02:12:05):
I could see it the internet coming Like these individuals
don't understand the art depend to paper community, the community
that you're in. If they're kind of frowning upon it,
you have this vulnerability of like seeing it the way
you're seeing it, as like these are just vessels that
I'm able to get this idea out. They're not necessarily
seeing that. But also you feel the pressure of like

(02:12:26):
if I do do this, you know the boys are
going to be, oh yeah, this first time he had
an article on the internet.

Speaker 4 (02:12:31):
You know, he went back into that little group and
they're like, Steve, you see Steve's on the internet.

Speaker 1 (02:12:37):
Sold out? Yeah, you did something the internet stupid?

Speaker 4 (02:12:41):
Is that like in the environments in the world you live,
it is like a consistent where I feel like in
the hunting world, there's like a lot of like purity
about it, Like there's like a I don't know if
it's a clickish group, but like people have like their
ways they want to do things, and there's a pure
way to do something as opposed to you know, maybe
just the regular hunter who goes in a tree standing
just takes the just takes the rat or something like that.
I feel like you've lived in those types of communities most,

(02:13:03):
if not all your life.

Speaker 1 (02:13:04):
Dude. It's like, I'm sure everything is. I'm sure everything is.
I'm sure every discipline, community, whatever. There's like intense tribalism.
There's like there's a tribalism to hunting. Uh, it's almost comical.

Speaker 2 (02:13:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:13:25):
What I used to observe is like, so, so I
grew up in a you know, I grew up in
a Christian household in a Christian community, and and if
you had gone like like, people would be I remember,
people would be they'd feel threatened by where I was
growing up. People might be feeling threatened by Latter day Saints, right,

(02:13:47):
threatened by Mormonism. And because it was like similar but
little different, right, and you look at me like, why
aren't you guys worried about like devil worshippers. That seems
like it would be like a real enemy, you know,
but you're like, well, yeah, never, no one pays attention
to that. We're looking at We're worried about the things

(02:14:08):
that are just a little different. And then and like
the tribalism of hunting is that you it's it's that yeah,
Like there's like archery guys that are you know, look
down on rifle guys. There's guys that hunt over bait.
There's guys that don't use bait, and look down on

(02:14:29):
guys that hunt over bait. Just whatever, you know, just
guys that use a knife.

Speaker 2 (02:14:37):
You gotta kiss with your bare hands.

Speaker 1 (02:14:38):
That's exactly track it down. What it winds up being, like,
the more I've been around the country and like met
so many people and got to go to so many places,
it winds up being that the whatever you grew up around,
whatever is normal to you from growing up around that's right, right, yeah,
yeah yeah, and everyone else is everyone else is like

(02:15:00):
not right, yeah, tribal.

Speaker 4 (02:15:04):
I posted a video yesterday on Twitter or x of
just like the landscape, me and Garrett looking over like
it was beautiful, but I had the rifle and someone's like,
be a real man and use a bow.

Speaker 2 (02:15:15):
That was one of the first comments. I was thinking,
I've never even shot at bow, like, but in my
head of I I guess I'm not real. Yeah, failed,
this's opinion of hunting.

Speaker 1 (02:15:24):
Well, next time you come out, we'll shoot bows. I
love shooting bows. But there's a rumor.

Speaker 4 (02:15:28):
There's a rumor going around that we're hunting a bear
next time.

Speaker 2 (02:15:32):
I'm glad, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:15:33):
I'm glad you're very aware that we're hunting a bear
next time. And there's something about the apex predator that
I'm interested in the thought that if I don't kill it,
it'll kill me. I knew this would happen. I talked
to kill bear fair but I could be right. Maybe
a couple of cubs walk by, Yeah, no doubt, but

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black bear.

Speaker 1 (02:15:55):
Is not going to kill me. Man. Black beards don't
like here's the thing they do. So I think that
you have black I think there's like black bear hunting
seasons and close thirty states now, okay, most like by far,
most Americans live within like a forty five minute drive

(02:16:19):
of a black bear, okay, or blackberries. Everywhere you take
a state like here, it's like we might have ten
thousand black bears in this state. No one gets killed
by a black bear. Okay, ten thousand black bears, and
I can't think of the last time someone in the
state's been killed by a black bear.

Speaker 2 (02:16:39):
They still get number.

Speaker 1 (02:16:40):
Meanwhile, you get a thousand grizzly bears and they're killing
a couple people a year. It's just a different bear, man,
They're like a different bear with a different groove, and
they just got a different worldview. And like, even then,
the odds are small, but there's like an elite group
of there's like an elite group of plays out there

(02:17:01):
that are like very high risk individuals. I'm getting mix
ups with grizzly bears and it's a real it's a
real thing. Like I've had like close calls with them,
little skirmishes. It's a different bear.

Speaker 2 (02:17:17):
When you were having your mix your mix ups with
the grizzlies, like was there's some fears starting to set in.

Speaker 1 (02:17:23):
Oh yeah, it's they're intimidating, man, They're intimidating. It's a
real bear. I mean, I love them to death. I
love them to death, but yeah, it's like you know
those bears, those bears play for keeps man like in
this state. You know, every year people get people get
tore up by one or two people in the lower
forty eight get killed by them. And there's not that many.

(02:17:44):
You got grizzly bears in three states well now, and
then you'll have one in northern Washington. But you got
a small number of bears that that do that do
a lot of mixing it up with people, and they're
they just have a different attitude, you know, like a
black bear. When you scare a black bear, intimidate a
black bear, the black bear in his mind is like

(02:18:07):
he's gonna get clear. He's gonna get clear of the
thing a grizzly like usually as well, usually as well,
he's gonna his impulse is gonna be to get clear
of it. But ten percent of the time whatever, some
percentage of the time, it's not fifty, it's less than fifty.

(02:18:28):
Is when he gets scared, his impulse is to just
like crush what scared him. God and black bears don't
have and it's like it's getting like nine times out
of ten whatever, it is, like nine times out of
ten or eight times out of ten, he's gonna peace out.
But then you get like the right mix up, the
right proximity, he's in the right mood whatever, and you

(02:18:50):
like scare him.

Speaker 2 (02:18:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:18:53):
The difference is picture you go around to your buddies
and you hide around a corner in a house, right,
and your buddy comes in the door, Like you hide
in your body's house and your body comes in the
door and you go, ah to scare them. What percentage
of bodies are gonna jump back and go? But there's
gonna be that one that just boom? Do you know

(02:19:15):
what I mean?

Speaker 13 (02:19:15):
Yeah, that's a good analogy, Like I don't know who
you know, Like, there's gonna be that one that just
the size of smoke, that has the has the sort
of the sort of these.

Speaker 2 (02:19:29):
I fear. I know I'm the jump back guy. Oh
I'm an jumpy to you.

Speaker 1 (02:19:34):
Got I'm like, as I'm gonna jump back.

Speaker 2 (02:19:40):
A striker. Maybe I just hold you in high regard interaction.

Speaker 6 (02:19:43):
I don't think, I know.

Speaker 1 (02:19:44):
Try it well, don't try because that sounds scary.

Speaker 2 (02:19:46):
It sounds like if I broke in your house, that'd
be a world of heart.

Speaker 1 (02:19:49):
If I had a minute to assass then I would
then take step just just.

Speaker 2 (02:19:53):
Six seven shadow in the corner of your house.

Speaker 1 (02:19:56):
I'll be done.

Speaker 2 (02:19:57):
What about what about polar bear?

Speaker 4 (02:19:58):
I know I don't want to say this about bear fit,
but like something about something about like cougars and bears
and all that, because I'm, like I said, Arizona, like,
I'm we got avelina and heel monsters and snakes, but
there's no like giant predators. And so I walk out
in the woods around here.

Speaker 1 (02:20:14):
Black bears in line mountains, well, those are up.

Speaker 2 (02:20:16):
North if they're anywhere, and they're not going to be
down in Keith crekertt like the desert.

Speaker 1 (02:20:19):
And you know you're you're overlooking one because uh usually
there's there's usually a jaguar in Arizona.

Speaker 2 (02:20:29):
A singular jaguar.

Speaker 4 (02:20:30):
Dude, I'll take my like I just I've never I
went to the University of Michigan, and the first time
I get there, I see all these trees and I
just think there's a bear and every bunch of those trees.
Like that's how dumb I am. And so then I
come out here, I'm like, we're for sure in bear
country now we gotta be. So then my wife is

(02:20:50):
from British Columbia and she they're always talking about bears.
She knows bears they're aware the whole. Like if it's
a if it's a black bear, get big. If it's
a brown bear, like lay down, and then if it's
a wipe, it's like that you might as well do.

Speaker 2 (02:21:01):
It's over. It's over for you.

Speaker 4 (02:21:03):
But yeah, but polar bears, is that just a you
see one of those things, it's it's it's game.

Speaker 2 (02:21:09):
Man, like I have.

Speaker 1 (02:21:10):
First off, I'm very comfortable talking about black bears and
grizzly bears. Yeah, I have zero polar bear experience. I
can tell you though that numerically they are. Numerically they
are a high, high level of aggression. But I'm I'm
way over my waiters talking about talking about you're in

(02:21:32):
the mud.

Speaker 2 (02:21:33):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:21:34):
I'm not a polar bear man.

Speaker 2 (02:21:35):
Polar bears would be. I mean those things are massive, massive, terrifying. Yeah,
we can get off the bear stuff. What would you got?

Speaker 1 (02:21:43):
You talk about bears like want? I just can't talk
about polar bears with any level.

Speaker 2 (02:21:46):
Yeah, FA, I was gonna ask, You've obviously built an
incredible company with meat Eater. You have meat Eater, you
have first light, Like every time we come out of here.
I feel like we learned something new, like one hundred
and fifty employees, Like, how did you build this company
into what it is today? Because it came through writing,
you get on television, there has to be a shift
in your mind mentally to where it's like, hey, I

(02:22:08):
have the I could have the ability to build something
of my own because I think that's incredible. It is
incredible what you've built with me.

Speaker 1 (02:22:15):
Yeah, that's such a it's such a convoluted, complicated story,
and it's hardly like, it's hardly all. It's just not like,
it's not this doings of a it's not the doings
of a single person at all. But I had eventually,
do you guys remember, of course you do all the

(02:22:36):
Anthony Bourdain shows over the years. Okay, so what happened
was the production company that made all that Bourdain stuff.
It was zero point zero production. Chris and Lydia Tonauglia
had zero point zero production and they did like Cook's Tour,
which was Bordain's first show. They did no reservations, they

(02:22:59):
did parts on and they produced all that material. I'm
only bringing that up because it's a way to kind
of understand the group of people on top about I
fell in with ZPZ on some like development projects to
like develop some of the work, to some of my
writing into TV material, and we started making me Eater

(02:23:24):
the show. Like we just it was like me there
was a TV show that I was making with zero
point zero production. I named that because I just had
a new kid, my first kid was born, and I
would read in books about animals, like I'm manly just
reading books about animals and be reading like books about
dinosaurs and shit, you know, and it'd be like this
ferocious me eater the t rex. So I just had

(02:23:46):
that word in my head. And we started this show
and it was like no intention of being anything other
than a show, and we would we'd make the show,
and we didn't sell it. We just licensed it. So
we licensed it to Sportsman Channel, we licensed it for
we licensed it to Netflix for a bunch of seasons,
and we just owned it. If someone had bought it,

(02:24:11):
we would have sold it to them, Okay. So it
was just it was like lucky that we if the
right deal would have come along, we would have just
sold they. We would have sold it because that's how
TV's always made. Like when a network, a stream or whatever.
When they buy a project, it's usually today that they
take possession of the IP. You produce it for them,
but they own it.

Speaker 2 (02:24:33):
We just.

Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
Because we we just got lucky. We got lucky and
didn't originally sell it to anyone. We only ever made
licensing deals and it was almost like accidental, right. But
what that enabled is being that we owned this whole
We want to owning the like a seed to this
whole sort of universe of hunting and fishing content and

(02:24:56):
whatnot over time, and we got an opportunity to take
an investment that would let us spin that we're approach
about taking an investment that would let us spin media
out outside of the zero point zero cradle, to spin

(02:25:17):
it out and like hire our own people. A lot
of the guys that worked at a lot of the
guys that worked on the show that I did all
lived here in bos of Montana. It was just like
a very It was a very small group of people
and just almost like weirdly coincidentally, we're all centered around here.
I had lived here before they were living here. So

(02:25:37):
when we found when we found a way to like
spin media off and make me eater its own entity.
We just like moved it here and then we're able
to take like we're able to take investment to buy
gear companies, and we had had a sponsor like first
Light was a sponsor of ours going way back, like

(02:25:57):
the founders were one of our first sponsors. We eventually
got to a point where we were able to like
to buy first Light and then other gear companies. Fahf Gear,
Phelps Game Calls, Dave Smith Decoy's we're able to like
to grow into this commerce brand. But my I'm like

(02:26:19):
aware of and know what's going on and you know,
in all aspects of it. But my day in day
out is like our our media brand, right, so we
look at it. We kind of look at our world
as being we have our our commerce business and our
and our content business. And I worked day in day out,

(02:26:40):
I'm like in the content business. But it was just
but it's like it's not like a thing I did.
I didn't have like a roadmap in my head for it.
I don't feel if you think about like your professional life,
maybe you guys have found it differently. I've never had
be that that. I've never been in a situation where

(02:27:02):
I felt like I arrived in a at a tee
in a road do you know what I mean, like
a clean tea where you have to decide like you're
gonna turn ninety degrees right or you're gonna turn ninety
degrees left. I've never hit that professionally. Every junction I've
ever come to has.

Speaker 11 (02:27:22):
Been like.

Speaker 1 (02:27:24):
Like an angle that's the obvious angle, or there's maybe
like some little shitty dirt road you could take off
to the side, and I've always just like been like, well,
I'm gonna stay on the one that seems the most
like beaten down, like it's I've never had I've never
had like some moment to be like oh do I

(02:27:46):
do I do this or do this because they're equally tantalizing.
It's always been like, well, no, man, right now, for me,
the clear option is to go that a way, right,
And I've just always gone like, the clear option is
to go that way, and I just go that way.
I've never had like a door die, do you know
what I mean? Yeah, I can't think, like thing that happened.

Speaker 2 (02:28:08):
To me right, change the trajectory of where you're actually going.
It seems like it's all just been one thing to
the next thing that's opened up the next door.

Speaker 1 (02:28:14):
Yeah, it's never some movie shit, you know, or like
someone's like take it down, or.

Speaker 2 (02:28:18):
Yeah the last opportunity or a hotel room with a
suitcase and a guy.

Speaker 1 (02:28:22):
Yeah, never happened.

Speaker 2 (02:28:24):
Yeah, was it weird getting into the content world, like
showing showing hunts like you know some like when we
go on these hunts and they're prepping us about Steve
Ranella and hey, we gotta have things in order. Camera
guys got to be right. Because you're somebody who likes
to go and do your thing. You're not necessarily thinking
content first. You're thinking hunting first, and the content better

(02:28:45):
adapt around it. So was it weird when you're starting
to implement cameras into your day to day on the
things that you love to do and you're wanting to
show people. Very weird, right, right, and then you're showing
it to the world. You're putting it on socials, you're
putting it on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (02:28:58):
Yeah, it was very weird. And there was a couple
of times. There's a couple of times early on in
trying to film stuff I like to do, there's a
couple of times early on I was like, man, I
just don't know if I want to do this, you know,
but but I fell in love with it. And what
one of the things that really one of the things
that made our materials stand out in a somewhat crowded

(02:29:20):
space is what made our materials stand out is remember
something out of that shit would like working with ZPZ
so like like picture that that Bourdain show for so
long was like such heavy influence, you know, like cultural influence,
Like it was emulated and it was like the cool
kids worked on that show. It was like the cool show.

(02:29:44):
Well those dudes. So there's like dudes that worked on
that show. Nick brigged In, Jared Andrew Cannis, this guy
Moe Fallon, Josh Ferrell, a bunch of dudes that worked
on that show that would come when they weren't doing that,
they would come out and do hunts. And these are
guys that would they'd come out in film hunts, and

(02:30:04):
these are guys that could give a shit about hunting.
But what they were interested in is just like story, right,
They're interested in like telling a good story, making things,
like telling a beautiful story. And they're like what turned
them onto it was They're they're like every quest is
so sort of encapsulated and perfect. Like if you imagine

(02:30:26):
there's a definition of a story, you'd be like, it
seems weird to define what a story is, but like
a definition, a working definition of a story would be
that there's a person or a thing wants something, there
are obstacles preventing them from getting it. A story is

(02:30:47):
them working through those obstacles to get it. Right. So
you go back to the Iliad, the Odyssey, whatever, like
it's it's that's the story. Someone or something wants something
and they have to overcome obstacles to try to achieve it.
And they're like, dude, it's kind of perfect because all
the shit and all the thought you put into it,
like what is like what's happening, it's all just right there,

(02:31:08):
Like you want to go somewhere and get something, and
then there's all these obstacles, but they just like cappen
naturally anyways. Yeah, and then you either do or don't.
But it's like it's like all you do is like
turn someone loose the once. It's like it's just it's
there already. So they were kind of fascinated by it,
just in this weird way of like you could make

(02:31:28):
these really clean, really entertaining twenty you know, thirty minute
episode is actually twenty two minutes. You can make these clean,
entertaining little stories by just going into the woods and
being like, what are we after? Yeah, well see you
way up on that mountain, that thing up there, try
to figure out get it there? Yeah, And they're like,
and it was just it was just fun for them,

(02:31:49):
you know. And they were able to bring their like,
all their talents of cinematography and other stuff to this
thing that they just thought was fun. And a lot
of those guys later on did a little bit of
hunting and you know, and and and and liked it.
But they were first and foremost they were like, they
were professionals and normally what will happen? And I'm and man,

(02:32:10):
I am not disparaging this ship, like I do not
want to seem like I almost I hesitated to bring
it up. But like a lot of people that would
come up and do hunting material would wind up being that, like,
your crew was guys that like to hunt, you know,
And there's a lot to be said for that. There's

(02:32:30):
a lot to be said for it. But in those
early days of doing it, the crew was like people
who were like film professionals. So it was just different.
You know, it was different, and I can't take the
credit for it, right, right, because they brought like a
lot and so we came out with this show and
it was just different. And part of why it was different,

(02:32:51):
it was it was like I'm in the world hardcore,
But there was a lot of people involved in it
just didn't care. Do you remember all the tribalism and
all that lost on them? You know, if you said,
hey man, we're gonna go hunt this kind of weird squirrel, it'd.

Speaker 2 (02:33:08):
Be like great.

Speaker 1 (02:33:09):
They didn't know enough to know that that was done.

Speaker 2 (02:33:10):
Cool man, let's what's what's the story? And taking down
the squirrel? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:33:16):
As soon as he got a crew now that I
mean Max himself, says Willison. He pulled up the coyote
from forward, like you got a crew that like it.

Speaker 2 (02:33:24):
Seems like everyone just lives and breathing.

Speaker 1 (02:33:26):
Now I got Now we got best of both worlds
because now we got these guys that are like media professionals.
But you know, long time has gone by, but now
there's these like media professionals who are also very passionate
and like here's the thing you take a dude like Max, really,
I mean, if you kind of looked at it, you'd
almost maybe think that, like if someone came down like

(02:33:49):
a A A A A an objective person came down
and sort of looked at the meritocracy of it all,
they might be like, dude, I think that Max should
be the guy on camera, and Steve should be and
Max crushes old dude. Steve should be like the whatever,
like the fucking the CFO guy or some ship. And

(02:34:14):
it should be that this Max dude is like hosting
the trips because like he's got like he's got all this,
you know, he's.

Speaker 2 (02:34:20):
Like a you got your guys like walking around with them.
It's Max spots the Cayo four hundred yards away Steve's.
Once Max points it out, Steve's knows exactly where it is.
And I'm thinking, what are these guys looking like, where
the hey, Steve, where we're at on the mountain. It's
right under there, under that little lip of the cliff,
and I'm I'm trying to spot in the next thing.

(02:34:41):
You know, Steve's on the gun. But even walking these
guys and birds, these guys in bird, He'll he'll be
in the middle of a story that he's been telling
this entire podcast, and they'll just I don't even know
what happens, but he stops, like the way you you know,
talk about Garrett where he just kind of stops and
looks around. But he'll be Steve be in the middle
of a story and he'll just stop and him be like,

(02:35:02):
mact you heard that. Yeah, yeah, that seems like one
of those blueberry pheasants that that came down that migrated
down from the northeast. Yes, sounds about four years old.
It sounds like he brought his family down here. And
it'll be in the middle of a story and he'll
just hear this noise were they're talking about some like
some crane and max like it stands like four feet tall.

Speaker 1 (02:35:25):
From the south. We're talking about Sandhill crane.

Speaker 2 (02:35:29):
We'll be walking on the hill and we'll be walking
on the hill and Steve will just stop it. He'll
sprint to this other hill and find this little bottom
jaw of a lizard bonum. But hey, check this out
about how.

Speaker 1 (02:35:39):
The did you see that.

Speaker 2 (02:35:42):
Your eyes operate that way?

Speaker 4 (02:35:44):
Something as simple as we're like driving back in the
can am from the night hunt last night.

Speaker 2 (02:35:49):
Yeah, and garrets. In the middle of talking about horses
and a bird goes by. He's like, yeah, so we
had we robi pheasant and he just he has to
let me know he saw this bird and you know,
every pardicular just so you know.

Speaker 4 (02:36:05):
That blur that just went across your face as a pheasant.
You'll never be able to see it again.

Speaker 2 (02:36:09):
But that's as long as you know. Now. It's insane.

Speaker 1 (02:36:13):
Yeah, there is a thing that's like, imagine you could
look at it and you'd be like, it's like, uh,
well I was insane. I imagine someone could want to
look down on it and say it's just sort of
like some kind of like colonial tendency or whatever. I
don't know, but there is a thing with outdoorsmen be
like that cataloging landscape is I've never called it that before,

(02:36:38):
but just hearing you guys talk about there is a
thing of like the need to.

Speaker 6 (02:36:43):
Like list it all.

Speaker 2 (02:36:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:36:45):
Yeah, I mean you ad you have to go like
you have you can't. It can't go unnoticed.

Speaker 2 (02:36:51):
Yeah, I mean, like you guys are legit, like like
like wild animals like a noises You're like, yeah, you
can part of land and Steve yesterday. We're just standing
by the river. He's like, oh, look the beavers. This
is where they kind of you know, this is kind
of where they It's like they're Johnny on the spot.
Look they're rolling around over here. That's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (02:37:11):
And you're standing there.

Speaker 2 (02:37:12):
It's like, yeah, grass here.

Speaker 4 (02:37:14):
And Steve goes, you see this, this horseshoe in this
little river. I'm like, yeah, he goes, We'll see how
it's kind of like uh sloped here. Well, the beavers
and the otters they just think I'm not gonna take
that trail. I'm just gonna go and slide over through here.
And I'm just like standing in the middle of like
their highway or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:37:27):
In the ud. He's talking about the method.

Speaker 4 (02:37:29):
Yeah, and you're like slowly sinking to your death. And
he's like, you know some crazy guys when ice fishing
back there, it's like this wealth and knowledge, Yeah, wealth
and knowledge never been hitting.

Speaker 2 (02:37:41):
The head that many times?

Speaker 4 (02:37:42):
Yeah, do you when you go out with these guys
like obviously Will and I we sit there and we
obviously been to knee like we don't we're we're we
listen to you. We know, we don't know, so that
makes it more fun for us to learn and like
hear your stories. Do you ever have guests that come
in and be like the greatest hunter, I'm maybe the
greatest gift to hunting I've ever anyone's ever seen. And

(02:38:07):
I had something like that and tells a story has
nothing to do with anything he's saying.

Speaker 1 (02:38:11):
I have definitely encountered blowhards, but no, not like no,
you know, it just doesn't happen. Uh, it doesn't happen,
and I try not to. I just try not to
even create environments where that's like I just like the

(02:38:33):
dick swinging and all that. Like, I like, I'm sure
you could probably build you could probably build a world
where it was just full of it, you know, but
I just am so I just I dislike it. I
dislike it.

Speaker 2 (02:38:48):
Are there any uh content creators in the outdoors world
out there that are just kind of full of ship.

Speaker 1 (02:38:54):
Like I'll be I'll be around crazy, I'll be out
around some what.

Speaker 2 (02:38:58):
We want you to do?

Speaker 4 (02:38:58):
On Bust with the Boy started with another outdoor where's
the outdoor beef?

Speaker 1 (02:39:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:39:03):
Yeah, beef.

Speaker 1 (02:39:05):
You gotta be Yeah, No, you'd have to be. Uh,
there's no way, there's no way I would ever take
that question on.

Speaker 2 (02:39:11):
But say you don't take the question, are there are
their thoughts of like, yeah, there's some people that are
like I'll be around some outdoor buddies and they'll bring
up some brand or some personality. In fact, they curate
it this way. But I've I've hunted with this guy
and it's all it's all manufactured.

Speaker 1 (02:39:24):
Well, here, I'll tell you this. It won't be as
satisfying you to hear it. There are people I know
that are like exceptionally talented hunters, and I'll know that
they're like I'll know their bio. I'll know that they're
exceptionally talented and like extremely dedicated, and then I'll hear rumors, Oh,

(02:39:45):
yeah he ain't ship, he did this, he did that,
and I'm like, dude, it's not true, man, it's not true.
Like there's such an appetite to there's such an appetite
to see people be diminished, in such an appetite to
see people be put in their place.

Speaker 2 (02:40:03):
That that.

Speaker 1 (02:40:05):
People want those stories. They ask for those stories. They're
hoping for those stories. They're hoping to hear a story
about how terrible someone is. So in the same way
that if I'm talking to listen man, well, no, hear
me out on this, because like there's different ways of

(02:40:26):
looking at shit, Like if I'm hearing all about let's
say I'm you know, let's say I'm talking to my
wife and I'm hearing all about someone how terrible some
friend's husband is, or maybe I'm hearing about all about
how terrible some friend's wife is. I'm always sitting there
thinking to myself, why I'd have to hear their story too? Right?

(02:40:47):
It infuriates people around me where when I hear a
story a lot of times I'm like, I have like
a somewhat contrarian thing where I'm like, why I'd have
to hear more from them? You know, sounds bad, but
I don't know. I haven't heard the full story. So
there is so you hear so much shit talking, it's

(02:41:09):
got to be way worse, and it's got to be
way worse in your guys world of like professional like
like like in athletics, it's got to be like a
thousand times worse. But yeah, there's this thing where everybody
wants everybody to be ain't shit. They ain't all that,
they don't at their opposer whatever, you know what I mean,

(02:41:32):
And when I hear it, I'm was like, man, knowing
how bad people want negative to be true and that
they're rooting for negatives to be true, I just tend
to just dismiss it.

Speaker 4 (02:41:42):
Sounds like a much more peaceful lifestyle than will and
what will I grew up. I grew up in because
the locker room can be a nasty place.

Speaker 1 (02:41:49):
It's such a perform because.

Speaker 4 (02:41:51):
You want to be seen as better, even if you
want to be looked at as better than you might
might actually be a lot of times guys will lean
to well, he's not very good, I'm better, or especially
in like position groups, or.

Speaker 2 (02:42:02):
If somebody gets coached a little differently, coach is harder
on somebody else, or you see, you know, if I'm
thinking of my experiences, you might feel like I might
feel like I'm doing something correctly. I'm getting really I'm
getting coached on something very small, and somebody that could
be above me on the depth chart per se, they
could be doing something that the technique that's going on

(02:42:23):
is not even being taught. But the coach kind of
goes over it because he's he's like, yeah, he's the
guy you know what I mean, And so you feel
like this, you feel like this bitterness that could build
in your mind because yeah, it's all so it's all
so performance based and in your success and you attaining
this you know, the roster spot or whatever it is

(02:42:43):
is like predicated on your performance. So I feel like
you're very more high alert or highly aware of all
of these stories that are going on around you to
make it seem like you're you're doing the correct thing.
And this guy he's not that good, Like your past
set's different than this guy, but the headlines are really
happened this guy up And you're like, I mean, he's
not really right, he doesn't have it. Yeah, he doesn't
have that. Yeah, I feel like it is a lot

(02:43:04):
conversation in.

Speaker 4 (02:43:05):
The sports world. I can almost we almost speak for football,
but ego, Yeah, it's insanely it's insane, it's out of control.

Speaker 1 (02:43:12):
Do you feel that in in that world? Do you
feel that there's a way that talent isn't captured by stats?
Like it seems to me like how could there be
anything to argue about because all all reality is laid out,
like all reality is is on the table.

Speaker 4 (02:43:31):
Yes, yes, I think you can there's stats only tell
part of the story. It's easy to see with like
receivers or quarterbacks and all that. But like take Will
for instance. We Will was the middle linebacker, if he
had two de tackles that are shitty in front of him,
it's gonna make him look worse, and they might get
the detaglers might have better stats because they're doing things
that they shouldn't be doing, but they're getting through the

(02:43:53):
line of screams a little bit faster, but they're leaving big,
gaping holes where Will has to now have a bigger
area to cover to make a tackle.

Speaker 1 (02:43:59):
He's look worse.

Speaker 2 (02:44:00):
But if you have two guys that.

Speaker 4 (02:44:01):
Are doing their job in that instance and maybe not
making the tackle, but putting everybody else in a position
to make the tackle, their value now goes up a
lot more offensive line there isom's.

Speaker 2 (02:44:13):
There's more room.

Speaker 4 (02:44:14):
Yeah, because you talk to like offensive linemen, our stats
are only negative how many penalties you get, how many
sacks you give up, those types of things. But there
is a way like helping your neighbor, Like we like
as five guys on offensive line, Like we're only as
good as a cohesive unit. So if I'm playing great
with my left guard's playing bad, or vice versa. Like

(02:44:34):
it's kind of on both of us because there's so
many times in a game that I can help my
buddy out with, you know, putting my hand and a
guy's shoulder at a certain spot so it turns his
shoulder more so it makes that reach block easier for
my guard, or he helps me out on the backside
cut off. There's so many it's like that's why it's
the greatest team sport. Ever, It's like no one can
just do it by themselves.

Speaker 2 (02:44:54):
It's not like basketball.

Speaker 4 (02:44:55):
We can just have like a superstar that puts like
forty up a game. Everyone's got a kind of function
and have this well oiled machine working as one unit.
Otherwise it all falls apart. But with that comes guys
getting more stats than others and paid more and an ego.
Well I should have got this because I was will
had one hundred tackles this year, but I was eating
up two blocks at a time. I should be getting
paid more than ego. Fights fights fights. That's why culturally,

(02:45:17):
you need great leadership not only in the locker room,
but also from a coaching standpoint as well. So it's
a there's a lot of different nuances in the football
world that.

Speaker 2 (02:45:27):
Are just yeah, there's a lot underneath the surface, a
lot underneath. Yeah, gaps can get filled in and not
as like comparable to like basketball, where I feel like
the realities and the stats are laid out a little bit,
a little bit easier for like the objective eye. Yeah.
But going off of like.

Speaker 4 (02:45:44):
Not hating on people, but was there ever a guess
that came on and you're like, I don't know if
what this guy's going to know, like and was like
a pleasant surprise of their knowledge and understanding of the
outdoors they kind of stood out to you.

Speaker 1 (02:45:57):
There's there's been a lot of people that have stood
out to me, but I can't think of people did
where I want to being surprised.

Speaker 4 (02:46:03):
And you can't say us, yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel
like you were surprised with our shooting abilities last time.

Speaker 1 (02:46:09):
That was surprising. Well, I was surprised until I thought
about it, but then I thought about it. But like,
but you guys have obviously you have to have like
a very good you have to have a very developed
sense of situational awareness, extremely good hand eye coordination mhm, right,

(02:46:30):
and just like a little zip in your head. That
was not me.

Speaker 2 (02:46:36):
You know, I'm claiming what happened there we go.

Speaker 1 (02:46:42):
Yeah, because a zip in your head like a fast
kind of like thinking thing. So then it was like,
then it made sense to me that you would excel
at it, you know, because you have a and then
all so there's a competitive drive. So it made sense
to me. But I was surprised, Yeah, because I've seen

(02:47:04):
people really struggle with, you know, trying to pick up
a shotgun and hit a moving target with a shotgun.
But then when you factor in that your whole life
has been you know, big portions of your life are
focused around a moving ball and following it and figuring

(02:47:24):
out what to do and making quick decisions. So yeah,
that would make sense you'd wind up being good. Now,
I was telling I was telling Will about something the
our days, like we went out kyot Colin. Okay, and
we'll go Kyote calling. It's kind of a mid winter
thing here, like after big game hunting seasons are all done,

(02:47:45):
just a fun thing to do to keep active at
a time of year and there's not a lot going on,
so we'll go Kyle Colin. But I was telling him,
I got a friend, this guy named Mercer Long right,
who's a professional predator guy. Like he catches he does
government work as a caller for predation work he does.

(02:48:06):
He catches bobcats for researchers to put radio callers on.
Like his whole life. He's a fur trapper, so catches
bobcats for the fur market. I'm bouncing over the place,
catches bobcats for the fur market. Does predator work for
biologists where if you have like imperiled species and you're

(02:48:30):
trying to and you're trying to help sustain like a
small population of animals and try to get them built
back up again, and so you're trying to reduce predation
on that little population of animals. He's a guy that
will come in and do predator control, very targeted predator
control in a place and catches stuff for researchers who

(02:48:52):
want to do put collars on them, radio tracking collars
on them. It's all this guy, I mean, like his
whole life. So here's a guy that he'll call. He'll
go predator calling for months on end, every day, months
on end. You get to like you guys will make

(02:49:14):
some jokes about like, oh you guys know this, and
you're me, you know, me and Max or me and
Garrett will like see this and see this and see this.
You go hang out with like a dude like that
who has been hyper focused on one small little component
of this, and then you get into like some holy
shit shit.

Speaker 2 (02:49:34):
Yeah, he's like snow white talking to the animals.

Speaker 1 (02:49:36):
Dude. You get into like, you get into highly focused man.
And then I had a couple of experiences of being
able to go down to South America and hang out
with indigenous South Americans and so here your people living,
you know, live in a community in the jungle. Your
people have always been there. They spend their whole lives

(02:50:00):
maybe within let's say you spend your whole life within
about a seventy five mile radius. But so did your
great grandpa, your grandpa, your dad. You you guys hunting
fish two hundred and fifty days a year. You want
to talk about hearing some bird off in the distance. Yeah,

(02:50:21):
they know what it is. They know what treeo it's
sitting on. They know what that bird's mom was. You
know what I mean. It's like you can't there's a level,
there's there's a level of depth to this shit that
that certain people can get and like I get to
live in it, but I live in this whole other
thing of like like you know, producing media, and there's

(02:50:41):
like a business component. There's a lot of guys out there.
There's a lot of guys out there that just do
a very stripped down version of just all in fucking
all nature all the time, man. And that's like hanging
out with When you talk about being surprised by people,
the surprise winds up being how deep you can go

(02:51:04):
and how good you can get on on on like
wildlife and just immersing yourself into that natural world man.
And uh, I get to touch it. I get to
like tickle it, you know. But there's some dudes that
live it. Yeah. And I always try to be clear, like,

(02:51:24):
you know, I never run around talking about you know,
I never run around talking about knowing more than whoever,
because I've met the guys that know, like, I've met
the guys that know it all, and I can't compare
myself to them. Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Because they're just too deep. They're too deep. They'll never
catch them.

Speaker 4 (02:51:44):
So many like side categories. There's obviously, like hunting, right
is just one thing and then there's all these different
things that people can specialize in, finding these guys that
just like sit out there, and the generations of all
that is just it's just nuts to me. There's like
you can never learn too much. Yeah, there's never an
end date, like you officially reached the pinnacle of the outdoors.

Speaker 1 (02:52:07):
There's like, there's this thing I found bouncing around the
country that like an observation I've had is it doesn't
matter anywhere you're going. Anywhere you go in the country,
you could have two houses next to each other. Okay,
anywhere you go in the country and there's two outdoorsmen
they live next to each other. You can find the

(02:52:27):
one guy in the house on the right who's like,
everything's all fucked up. It used to be good, but
all the spots are gone now, the woods is full
of idiots. Everybody's out there, the fishing socks now, the
Fish and Game Agency fucked everything up right right, and

(02:52:47):
then the left house right next to him always as
a dude's like, fuck, you can't even scratch the surface. Yeah,
it's too good, there's too much to do, you know
what I mean. It's like everywhere you go, those two
dudes everywhere you go, there's those two dudes, you know,
And I just like the guy in the left house, better.

Speaker 2 (02:53:09):
Man that's ready to find the new pivot, find the
new way to figure out. Excited man breaking break through
another ceiling, can't.

Speaker 1 (02:53:16):
Scratch the surface, too much to do. It's like you
always there's always those dudes, and I'm always like, I'd
rather talk to that left hand, the left house guy
that can't scratch the surface. And it's like there's that
like infectiousness about it, you know, getting out.

Speaker 2 (02:53:31):
Yeah, you know, sorry, I was gonna ask.

Speaker 1 (02:53:36):
You.

Speaker 2 (02:53:36):
Have you you speak to so many people that are
both hunters and even non hunters because you have this
this knowledge of with history and again you're able to
weave all these things in that kind of kind of
bring it relatable to everybody. So I want to put
you in a situation where you're speaking to So let's

(02:53:56):
just say guys like Tailor and myself, people that are
kind of like, you know, they flirt with hunting. They
have kids. You know, we're both girl dads. You're very
you're very adamant about getting your kids out the whole
arena of consequences. And let's just say you're speaking to
you're speaking to potential hunters, or you're speaking to hunters
that just kind of dip in and they're wanting to
learn about your philosophy of getting kids involved in getting

(02:54:16):
in the outdoors. More Like, what would be kind of
your general approach when speaking to a group like that,
because again, I think you do a it's really cool
to hear you talk about hunting in a way to
where you know that you are immersed in it in
such a way that is very intimidating and you feel
like you can't belong, but you're also able to sit
next to guys like us to where it it makes

(02:54:37):
it seem so fun and that where you want to
dive into a more.

Speaker 1 (02:54:40):
I I've developed a couple philosophies about with with families
and getting kids outside. Is like, remember I was talking
about in picking a career, it'd be that you get
you got to either get where if you're trying to
do a thing that's hard, you got to get where
you're just gonna do it or die, you know what

(02:55:03):
I mean? And I would would it would have a
little kids. It's so hard to get out. It's like
you go and you're like oh, there's like the snack
shit and this one still wears diapers, you know what
I mean, Like this one like take some weird ass
nap in the middle of the day every day, I mean,
and like at a point you just be like, well,

(02:55:24):
just never mind, man, I'm not gonna do shit, and
I'm just gonna become like a bitter dad who's like
pissed at his kids because I can't go.

Speaker 2 (02:55:32):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:55:33):
I'd be like I'm just gonna do that route and
kind of resent my kids and kind of be shitty
to my wife and just generally be pissed because now
I can't live out my uh, I can't live out
my passions, and I'm just like an old hasband dude.
The amount of dudes that fall into that, you know,
a lot, and I just didn't want to, Like I

(02:55:57):
didn't want to do that, and so I just had it.
I would set a goal even when they're little, like
you know, with all that ship like diapers and all
that garbage. I would I would set like a goal
like we're gonna go today and we're gonna like I
don't give a ship what happens. There's no way it's

(02:56:18):
not gonna happen. We're gonna go fish, you know, and
maybe we're gonna fish something that's not that exciting. We're
gonna go catch some blue gills whatever. But like I
don't give a ship, dude. If we don't fish, I'm
gonna kill myself, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:56:31):
What I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:56:31):
Yeah, And like I had like go at it like
that with little ones, and I'll tell you here's the
thing that I found, Like, well, there's there's there's two parts.
Because this is the area that we that me and
my wife agree on is we're not terribly interested with
little kids. We're not like really interested in what they think.
I don't really want to hear about. Like I'm not

(02:56:53):
that interested in what they want to eat. Right, It's
like you're gonna eat what we're having, and I'm not
that int in On Saturday, we're going fishing. I don't
want to go fishing. I was gonna go to Bobby's house.
It's like, no, you're not going to Bobby's. We're going
doing that. Like you live in our house and we'll
lean your way a lot, but in a lot of ways,

(02:57:15):
you're gonna lean our way and you're gonna do the
things we're gonna do because I think that one of
the most important things you can demonstrate to your kids
is like demonstrate to them what it's like to be
passionate about something. You know, like if everything, if all
you ever can bring to the table for your kids
is just like this kind of like ambivalence, passivity. Well,

(02:57:39):
I guess we'll go down to the park, because what
else you supposed to do with a kid later on?
Like what is their impression about how you later on
when they're grown up and they're thinking about it, Like
what is their impression about how you engage with the world?

Speaker 2 (02:57:55):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:57:56):
Even if my kids and they probably won't, I don't know.
I remember someone saying that. Or if your kids don't
like the hunting fish as much as you do, I'm like,
not many people do. Man, Whatever that happens to them,
if they don't go at all, they will when they're
when I'm dead and they're sitting around with their spouses
and they're like goofing on their dad, remembering their dad,
They're gonna remember someone who was fucking on it, do

(02:58:20):
you know what I mean? Who was like driving hard.
And they maybe won't like it, but they'll later they'll
laugh about it, and they'll probably uh begrudgingly, they'll be like, yeah,
I learned some shit from that, you know, and it'll
be that like what you're gonna do, like be fucking tenacious.

(02:58:42):
And so it's not to me like getting them into
the outdoors is it's like selfish because that's what I
want to do. But it's also it's also like, well,
I'm showing them what it's like to care about something,
what it's like to try to excel at it, what
it's like to try to like be in it, what
it's like to try to do hard little goals, you know,

(02:59:05):
and uh, and it's not just to make them be
outdoors people. It's just to have them see that like
that you can that it's good to go through life
fired up, you know, to be like this is fucking
we're going man, Yeah it's windy, it's fucking cold, let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:59:25):
Yeah. You know, I love that because I think in
a way, like whether or not they picked it up,
they're about it later in life or when you're still around,
but the moment that they start to have families themselves
and think about it or if you you know, unfortunately
weren't around anymore and you're able to recall things like
ultimately you would bring they will be bringing that into

(02:59:46):
their world because they're going to actually start to remember.
It's like all the things we resent about or you
get we would get upset about with our parents, and
then you look back on things that they did and
it's like, well, this is why they did they did this,
and then it starts to come out through you now
that we have families. I love that interesting.

Speaker 4 (03:00:00):
How parents will be like, you don't like this now,
but you're going to appreciate it later, I say to
you when you're a kid, and then you actually sit
back and like, yo, I actually I really do appreciate
it because it's very difficult. I have a seven and
a four year old, and I want so badly to
be a place where they can come and talk to
me about things, where they can just say, well, how
are you emotionally feeling? How do we work through it?
What's the process of communication so that you don't just

(03:00:21):
lose a gasket every single time you're mad about something
like how do you process it in your mind and
have an ability to talk about it? But then it's
like I worry because I was successful and my kids
live a much better life than I did growing up.
And it's like, hey, how do I stop? How do
I one make sure they have work ethic and then
in a passion.

Speaker 2 (03:00:41):
In whatever they're doing.

Speaker 4 (03:00:43):
And I think the answer you gave it is the
correct one, which is show them, like show them every day.
Like the reason why your dat is successful is because
of X, Y and Z. The reason why he has
a hard work at this because he's passionate about the
things he's working towards.

Speaker 1 (03:00:56):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (03:00:57):
And you just show him that over and over again
eventually there and be like, Okay, I want to succeed
in these things, Well, how would I do that? Well,
my dad's successful. He did X, Y, and Z, and
they can always lean back on that. So it's a
very it's a difficult thing because I've been around. I
went to I went to high school. My senior year,
I transferred down to Scott's to Arizona. It's a very
rich area of Arizona, and all these kids are driving,

(03:01:18):
you know, the nicest cars and live in the nicest houses.
And you see them like ten fifteen years later, and
none of these kids have drive because they've been given
everything their entire lives. So it's just like I sit
back as a father of two young kids, and I'm like,
how do I make sure that.

Speaker 1 (03:01:31):
Does not happen to fear? My kids?

Speaker 2 (03:01:34):
Have it?

Speaker 1 (03:01:35):
Gravy?

Speaker 11 (03:01:35):
You have?

Speaker 4 (03:01:36):
You have, You've established something incredible, like you've trail blazed
an area that you know, for a lot of times
only like a niche group knew about, and you're making
it a mainstream thing. And so yeah, you you you
might run into that. It sounds actually you're not going
to run into that. I heard the way you talk
about your kids, like your kids are gonna be just fine.
It's from a tough.

Speaker 2 (03:01:55):
There's always a fear about the definition of storytelling. Like
somebody wants something, there's going to be obstacles. Some might
have many more obstacles. But if they're able to if
they have moments to where we're wanting to show our
kids something and maybe they're in college and we feel
like they just haven't gotten it and we've done everything
that we can, if they're going to overcome whatever that
final obstacle is, they would have to look at themselves

(03:02:15):
so closely to where you almost do appreciate You're like,
you know what Dad is right. I'm never going to
tell them, But if I want to get this thing,
I have to come over this obstacle that ultimately I'm
just standing in front of my own way. So no
matter how it comes out, whether it's early in life
or later in life, I do think it comes out
at some point no matter what. And sometimes it's you know,

(03:02:36):
when mom and dad might pass and then you're reflecting
you're in a different state of mind. Sometimes it's when
parents are a life. Sometimes you're getting out of college
and everything structurally has happened the right way to where
they kind of have that driving passion. But no matter what,
I think it'll trickle out at some point along the road.

Speaker 4 (03:02:51):
And it's like also like seeing the adversities they're going through,
knowing in your head like this is not a big
deal and you know that, but it's like, what do
I essentially that back and say you work through this,
you have the tools to do it.

Speaker 2 (03:03:03):
And then at what point do I.

Speaker 4 (03:03:05):
Go, Okay, I need to intervene here because I want
to make sure that I can see the path they're going,
and if they go that way, it's just they're either
going to get in trouble or you know, not handle
it the correct way. So it's such a it's a
finesse game with kids, ma'am. And I don't necessarily love
the word finesse, but it really is like.

Speaker 1 (03:03:24):
Finassy. You don't know what sounds melodramatic, but like I
think about it, I guess because I think about it,
I'll just share it. Even though it sounds melodramatic and
kind of simplistic, Like I always picture, let's say your
kid is like your kid gets older and they and
there's like a fucking car crash right and there's like
a car rolls over and it's on fire, and there's

(03:03:46):
like a person that needs to be pulled for you
of the car right with the car could blow up,
you know.

Speaker 6 (03:03:52):
What I mean?

Speaker 1 (03:03:52):
Yeah, you always be like, will my kid be the
what would my kid be the one that runs over
and drags them clear?

Speaker 2 (03:04:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:04:00):
Do you know what I mean? And like it sounds
so like it sounds so melodramatic and like fantastical, but
I'm always like when I think about little things and
bringing them up, it's like I want, how do you
kind of from the ground up make the one to
be like fuck, I don't want to do it, but
I'll do it right, I'll go drag them clear?

Speaker 2 (03:04:20):
There have a selfless act of like.

Speaker 1 (03:04:25):
And it's like a lot of things. It's like how
do you, how do you do you? How do you
view other humans?

Speaker 2 (03:04:29):
Like?

Speaker 6 (03:04:30):
What do you?

Speaker 1 (03:04:30):
What are your obligations to people? What's your obligation to
your family?

Speaker 2 (03:04:33):
Like?

Speaker 1 (03:04:34):
Are you act first? Are do you have it in
you to act?

Speaker 4 (03:04:38):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (03:04:38):
I mean like, are you willing to like do ship
you don't want to do? Or you know, are you
willing to like court a little danger and have a
little risk? Right? And so I'm always I kind of
look at like would this make it more likely that
they would go and drag someone clear for burning? I
love that most extreme version.

Speaker 2 (03:04:57):
I know, we gotta wrap up something, but I'm a
it's brought to us by bud light. People. People will
do Are you talking about this one? Well, I'll on
we gotta like ten minutes. Yeah, people will do anything
for a bud light. That's something that you would do
anything for. It. Is there some big game out there
that you haven't yet conquered? What is something that you

(03:05:19):
would do anything for?

Speaker 1 (03:05:24):
Man, there's a well, yeah, I'll tell you there's a
there's a documentary thing I want. There's a documentary I
want to make. I don't want. I'm not gonna tell
you what it is. There's a documentary I want to
that I want to make, and it doesn't it makes

(03:05:45):
no sense. And but if I don't, there's a subject
I want to take on in a documentary. And if
I don't get to taken on in my life in
a documentary form, my wife will have been a failure.

Speaker 2 (03:06:00):
Holy Ship, you can't give concept everything. You can't.

Speaker 1 (03:06:05):
Yeah, yeah, you know he's got to keep I'll tell
you about it. And you're gonna try to act like
you think it's interesting because you're polite, But dude, it's
like I would Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, like
a cheap shot. I was gonna be like, I'll do
anything for my wife. But no, Like, there's like, there's

(03:06:28):
a thing I want to there's a thing I want
to make. It doesn't make a terrible lot of sense,
and like, I don't even at this point, I don't
even give a ship if anybody watches it or not.
But it's so fascinating. I have to find a way
to do it. I love that there's not a Day
goes By. I'm not giving you da goes By. I
don't think about how I want to make a film
about it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (03:06:46):
People have great lengths to get a bud light. I
love that you're going you'll go to any measure across
the world to make sure that this.

Speaker 1 (03:06:54):
Whatever it is, will Yeah, I'll be like and just
bring me. I'm sure they make one. They need to
bring me n a Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:07:02):
Got a couple. Yeah, I actually want to start up
your company.

Speaker 1 (03:07:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:07:07):
My old man, he's a he's a drinker.

Speaker 1 (03:07:09):
But na yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll kick back of
the old man. But you know what, I'm going to
turn him on Too's gonna turn him on to taking
that the butt an a and mixing in a little
zing zang bloody marry mix.

Speaker 2 (03:07:23):
Okay, little cocktail. You know what it is.

Speaker 1 (03:07:28):
It's like because when you quit drinking, it's hard to
like at night, if you're hanging out and other people
are drinking, it's like you can't just drink water because
it doesn't like. But you take that really spicy bloody
this is a chip. This is a tip for people
who quit drinking. Take an n a beer and then
you put really spicy, bloody marry mix in the n

(03:07:50):
a beer and you drink it and it's got like
a little burn to it, scratches the edge something, scratch
the itch.

Speaker 2 (03:07:57):
It helps you get everybody.

Speaker 1 (03:07:59):
Yeah, but I wasn't like that kind of drinker. I
wasn't like a you know, I wasn't like an AA guy.
I was just I just drank too much and wanted
to quit and gradually quit. But uh, yeah, that little
you need, that little burn I find, and that little
burn kind of your your body is like, ah, there
it is all right. It's just tomato with Jesus black pepper.

Speaker 2 (03:08:20):
Yah, I love it.

Speaker 4 (03:08:21):
I did want to ask before you go being a conservationalist,
being like someone who's in the outdoors all the time.
There's been like a lot of stuff like obviously I
don't we're not a political podcast. I really want your
thought process on this. I'm not trying to make this anyway.
And we kind of touched on it yesterday. But there's
obviously all this this tariff stuff going on with Canada
and all the wood and everything, and so Trump's now

(03:08:44):
put done this executive order saying and I don't know
the full detail. So there's so many different news articles
that say he's it's a terrible thing. It's a great thing.
But he's like signed this executive order that says that
we have all this wood, like three hundred million hectors
of land.

Speaker 1 (03:08:59):
That you can he didn't, you did it? Hitting the
National Forest hard, right and hard to.

Speaker 4 (03:09:04):
Essentially be like we don't need Canada because we have
the resources. But the resources is like thirty three percent
of our wooded resources. Some people have broken down to me,
like you need like ten years for treat to mature,
and the longer they mature, the better the wood is,
makes better the homes, makes better quality. So you being
in your world that you are, I just want to know,
is this like a detrimental thing to America? Is it actually, Hey,

(03:09:27):
there's a lot of things we can really clean up
in America from a wooded area standpoint, Because it's like
I'm just trying to understand that this little game of
chess that's going on between our northern neighbors and US.

Speaker 1 (03:09:38):
I'll give you a couple I'll give you like a
little high level, my kind of high level thought process
on it, and it's it's it's quite it's much more
complicated than good bad. Yes, no, we need just like
first off, I'm gonna clarify, I'm coming at the street

(03:10:00):
from like wildlife habitat and like an environmental wildlife habitat perspective.
I'm not I don't have the home builders wood market right,
see at the table, right, I'm like the wildlife habitat guy.
There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cut,
and we need to have active timber management. And when

(03:10:22):
a lot of places we've neglected timber management and it's
detrimental to habitat. A healthy forest, Like if you go
across most of the country, a healthy forest is a
mosaic of stuff that was just recently burned or recently cut,
whether from lightning strike, fires or whatever. So it's like

(03:10:44):
new growth, medium growth, old growth. Right. You need it
all because you want to create habitats to have all
these different offerings, and you want to create habitats with
a lot of edges, right, meaning like open areas that
a butt brushy, areas that abut mature stands, because that

(03:11:05):
way there's a lot more going on. I'm trying speaking
very general terms. There's a lot more going on ecologically,
greater diversity of plants, greater diversity of like of stages
of growth. So you have things that are big old
trees that are producing masts that like producing acorns, beech nuts,
whatever from old trees, young trees that have new growth

(03:11:27):
on them, and that's good for food. You have little
thickets for stuff that likes thickets. Right, So you want
a mixed ecosystem if we leave everything alone and don't
do active land management because the natural processes aren't there anymore,
like we just don't have We can't just let fires rip,
you know, because it destroys property and things and other issues.

(03:11:49):
You got to kind of do a man made version
of how to create these mixed ecosystems. So there's a
place for logging. Done right, it can be very advantageous
for wildlife in the right areas. What I don't like.

Speaker 2 (03:12:05):
Is UH.

Speaker 1 (03:12:09):
I can't support and I can't get behind building new infrastructure,
building new roads into our into our wilderness areas. And
I don't mean designated wilderness areas, but areas that are
like UH that are industrialized, like land natural landscapes that

(03:12:30):
don't have infrastructure in place, that don't have roads built
into them. I cannot support a plan to go into
those areas and build new roads in order to harvest
old growth timber. Why is why is that like we're
just gonna we're we're gonna run out of it. Yeah,
We're gonna run out of it. There's like a deal.

(03:12:51):
There's always a deal with the devil that you make
on this stuff. You mentioned wife being from British Columbia.
Canada has you know, Canada has a reputation, like a
little bit of some people hold Canada's a reputation of
having this stellar environmental record in some ways, like the US,

(03:13:13):
we've been able to hang on to our old growth
coastal rainforests, which you know, there's not that much left
old growth coastal rainforest, and we've kind of looked and
guys in my world will look and be like, man,
I can't believe be WAYBC British Columbia has just maintained

(03:13:36):
openness to just keep whacking away at it. And it
was kind of like, man, they're gonna cut it till
it's gone, right, And meanwhile, we got a lot of
coastal old growth rainforests. Like I mentioned, I have a
fish shack. Like I have a fish shack, and like
ground zero of this shit Tongus National Forest surrounded by
Tongus National Forest. It's a perennial like, you know, like

(03:13:59):
political ping back and forth as whether or not to
build a bunch of new roads in tongest National Forests
to get after the old growth coastal. I mean, we're
talking six seven hundred year old trees, right and you
look in that southeast lasting stuff. You look in BC,
and they've been hammering it, and they might hammer it

(03:14:20):
to the bitter end. I just like I think that
that if you go in the into the future, I'm
very conservative about this when I can. When I say conservative,
what I mean is this, when we go into the
future and more of the world has developed, and more
of the world is industrialized, and there's less biodiversity and

(03:14:41):
less wildlife, I think we're going to look at these
last bastions of old growth timber and we're going to
be like, thank god we protected that stuff. You go. Look,
there's been a lot of talk lately, like somebody, even
some politician in Florida, I think, introduce some bill to
put it uh to put President Trump on Mount Rushmore.

(03:15:07):
They say that that rock face isn't even suitable to
accommodate a new face up there anyways. But let's just say,
let's talk about who one of the guys that is there, Okay,
one of the guys that is there is Theodore Roosevelt.
Theodore Roosevelt. He's a Republican. And Theodore Roosevelt created the
National Forest System, Okay. And what he did was he

(03:15:29):
knew that American wildlife was on the way out, like
like we relative to the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds,
we live in the good old days of American wildlife.
The shit was bad. Then Roosevelt came in and he
knew that like for American wildlife to thrive, we need
a National Forest System, we need like big tracks of forest.

(03:15:51):
And he did that, and people didn't want him to
do it, and they were pissed at him at the time.
Now he's like universally celebrated every politician and wants to
be favorably compared to Roosevelt. Okay, I'm very cautious about
any effort that would undo or subvert those efforts to

(03:16:13):
create these big tracks of nature, these big tracks of
wildlife habitat. And I'm just always gonna be like I'm
always gonna be on the side of preserving our landscapes,
and I use the term investing in these wilderness landscapes

(03:16:34):
where American wildlife can continue to thrive. And I'm gonna
be like very I'm just gonna be on the defensive.
I'm gonna be on the defense. I'm gonna defend wildlife habitat.

Speaker 4 (03:16:45):
Guilty before proven innocent. With you, when it comes to
the wildlife habitat, it sounds like it's a double like
it's a double ed short because on one hand, what
you're saying is because we can't let fires roam free,
we need we need the levels of growth. So cutting
down what like is not necessarily bad. No, And if
they sit in a layer, that's when it becomes detrimental
to the wildlife, environment, human beings, the world we now

(03:17:09):
see as it is today.

Speaker 1 (03:17:11):
If the right so with that executive order, with the
right person in place to interpret it, I would be
there's a there's a version in which I'd be like,
thank God, yeah, because there's a lot of there's a
lot of work we need to be doing for like wildfirework,
wildfire reduction, habitat improvement, thinning. I'd be like great if

(03:17:33):
with the right person on the ground implementing it, I
could get excited about it. With the wrong person on
the ground implementing it, I could get fearful of it.
And right now it's it's a little early to tell,
but yeah, with the right people executing it, I could
think that it would be like net positive, or it
could be people doing it and I wind up being
like upset about it.

Speaker 4 (03:17:53):
Now, a hypothetical question for you. Let's say you're sitting
in your office later this afternoon and there's a call.
Some of your secretary walks in. She goes, Steve, the
President is on the phone. You answer that phone. It's Trump,
he said, tells you how great you are, how amazing
you're everything's going so great in your life. But he
wants you to be the guy to interpret the executive order.

Speaker 2 (03:18:12):
What do you say to that question?

Speaker 1 (03:18:14):
I would say, uh, yes, and then I would promptly call.
I would promptly call a couple of friends of mine
and I would say, uh, you guys need to do
this because you understand it better me, and I need
to act like I'm in charge.

Speaker 2 (03:18:31):
Smart man, smart man. I love it was it. Delegate
to elevate. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 4 (03:18:39):
I do appreciate you bringing that down a little bit
because it is so interesting, like this whole like the
political landscape we live in now, because a lot of
things he's doing, people are like, well, this is what
you this is what everybody wanted. But there's so much
going on that's hard for me to follow the bouncing ball,
and I do my best to kind of like kind
of fall off because it is so interesting to me.
But when I saw that, you know, my brain goes

(03:19:00):
to it's probably not as bad as it is because
I'm not a pessimist. I'm very positive about like the
best case scenario is usually gonna work out. My wife
on the other end, being from British Columbia, not knowing
the nugget that they're actually killing the forest, that they'll
have to bring that up a dot our next family meeting.
But uh, she she is huge into wilderness, her whole family,
like her her mom is like, notice like the fishing

(03:19:20):
queen in her town because she's like she can just
rip any lip around there. So like she was very
she's obviously worried and concerned, and I was like, well,
I'm gonna be with meeter her next week. Like, what
a perfect individual to talk to it about, because it
is very interesting and just just trying to understand all
the nuances of kind of like you were saying, like,
how do you interpret these executive orders as opposed to
just reading my face value and just assuming it's a

(03:19:42):
blank canvas.

Speaker 1 (03:19:43):
Yeah, if you here's the main rep. Do you got
a second? Here's kind of the main.

Speaker 2 (03:19:50):
I don't know exactly when the flight is, but I
know we're getting well on this.

Speaker 1 (03:19:53):
This would be very quick.

Speaker 6 (03:19:54):
This would be very quick.

Speaker 1 (03:19:57):
My my problem with the administration so far when it
comes to the natural resources issues and public lands issues
is I would like, I like I understand some of
the things that need that they need to do. I
think that they're taking a pretty ham handed approach and
a lot of the doge stuff has been coming. A

(03:20:20):
lot of the Doge stuff has been decisions being made
by people who have no understanding of what they're toying with.
And I think that a better approach is get your
cabinet heads in, get your administration people in, and let
people make decisions at a more expert level. The same

(03:20:40):
way you read about Rubio's conflict with Musk or like
Rubio's like, I'm secretary of State, let me go into
my portfolio of interests and identify the cuts. That's my world, right,
I'll do it. And so there's like a little possessiveness

(03:21:02):
on some of the stuff with like beer, forest Service issues,
Bureau of Land Management issues, logging issues, whatever, public lands
administration layoffs and all that. Get the right agency people
in place, let them know what they need to do,
give them a minute to go and have like a

(03:21:22):
more fine tuned expert opinion on where we find room
for cuts, and don't just start cutting shit that you
don't understand because someone else is gonna go in there
and be able to do it without without throwing the
baby out with the bath water. And they've thrown a
lot of they have thrown a in the area that
I'm informed on, which is like natural resources issues, They've

(03:21:44):
thrown a shitload of babies out. And now you're gonna
watch people come in, and they're gonna come in, They're
gonna be like dragging those fucking babies back, picking those
babies back up and putting them in and it's just
it creates a mess and they will like the babies
will get picked back up, and it will kind of
be like, well, why don't we just like take a
why don't we just do this in a more thoughtful

(03:22:07):
way anyway, because they're already like, oh my god, he
got they got rid of what? Yeah, and that's causing headache. Yeah.
So I just think that I'm not the only person
to bring this up, like there's an intention to go
and do something, and I think that it was just like, uh,
I think the intention kind of ran away with itself
for a minute, and there's gonna be a lot of

(03:22:28):
I think now there's gonna be like a lot of
corrections are gonna need to take place.

Speaker 2 (03:22:32):
Right, Yeah, that is I mean, this is a whole
another hour of a podcast, a.

Speaker 1 (03:22:37):
Different show or two different show, and I have someone
different than me talking to ye. Hey we delegate.

Speaker 4 (03:22:43):
Uh last time was awesome, dude, shooting ducks with you
This time just as much fun like the trapping portion.
Obviously we didn't get a coyote, but it's good that
we didn't get one.

Speaker 2 (03:22:51):
You can't I can't be like, hey, we're going on
a meat eat hunt, like it's gonna be right out
in front of you, like that's that's honey. But we
we appreciate, like, not just you, but your entire career,
like the hospitality, the way you guys treat us like
everything's first class here.

Speaker 1 (03:23:03):
So thank you so much. I appreciate it. Man. Thanks
for coming on. I look forward to hanging again.

Speaker 2 (03:23:06):
Yeah, you're the man, bro.

Speaker 1 (03:23:08):
Thank you

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