NFL Week 15 Reaction: Is The Chiefs Dynasty Over & Does Joe Burrow Want Out Of Cincinnati?

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(01:05):
lot of storylines, a lot of storyline, a lot of
big storylines.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Big stories, a lot of injuries. Unfortunately, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Dude, we lose the two of the game's best players
with Michael Parsons and Patrick Mahomes, which does suck. Like
who would have thought we'd be looking in a world
where we're looking at playoffs without Patrick Mahomes, a Green
Bay Packers team without Michael Parsons. George Yeah, no, George No,
Joe Burrow, yep, all these.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Guys possibly know. Lamar Jackson, I think I think the
Raymonds might make it. They're they're they're iffy, they're on
they're in the hunt, or they're back.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
In the possibly Philip Rivers playing in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I don't think that's gonna happen. You never know, bro,
I don't think it's gonna happen. I love you know what,
Let's get our Let's get our our Monday bro, our
Monday interview on here, Greg, Greg, how do you feel
about Philip Rivers being forty four years old clearly has
a not only a dad bob, but a grandpa bod
going out there against one of the saltiest defenses and

(02:02):
winning that game for what three quarters? Yeah, three and
a half quarters before they kick a field goal at
the end of the game to win, Like, how incredible
is it for you? Just be like, Yo, look at
this man doing his thing who's older than all.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yes, he won the game for fifty nine minutes in
thirty seconds, is right? I mean, you know, I can't
imagine what he feels like this morning. Yeah, he has
to feel just I can't even process how bad he
feels and sore. But I do think he wakes up
this morning, walks out to get the paper or whatever

(02:35):
the hell guys do, and he's like that was pretty
fucking awesome. Yeah, Like, I just came off the bench
cold coaching high school ball. Haven't trained. I mean, he's
worked out, but there's a difference between training and working out,
And I just went against arguably the best team in
the league, arguably the best defense in the league, in
one of the hardest places in football to play for

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a decade, and took my team down on a game
winning game to take the lead in what could have
been a game winning field goal. Only that and then
obviously have your heart broken by giving up a game
winning field goal. So I actually think he wakes up
this morning physically sore and beat but I think mentally

(03:18):
he walks around his house with his twelve kids, and
he walks around that high school of those boys that
he coaches, and he's like, any more questions, who's the
baddest dude around because it's me bro questions.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, it's just it's just nuts to see. And you're
watching the game and everyone tunes, and I love I
love that the Colts they understand like, hey, it's great season,
but we're obviously not in a position to go win
it all. We're not gonna be able to do that.
We also starting quarterback are guy we traded for. He's
been hurt, and they're like, hey, let's just let's make
something out of nothing here. Let's call this old guy

(03:51):
who are head coaches of this outstanding relationship with and
is hey, give us your best sixty minutes right now
for the next three four weeks and let's just enjoy it.
And a game that no one would have tuned into.
I'm sure the ratings were out of control about and
it's just amazing. Then watching Rivers like kind of go back.
He goes to like hitch step up in the pocket

(04:11):
and he like slips, realizes, oh shit, they're getting close.
It kind of like starts this like baby crawl thing
as they kind of just touched him, and he's like,
wooh fuck, that was a close one. Stagnanmit that was
a bit of a deal there, and he just dude,
he just does his thing. See some throws out to
the sideline that just kind of die off, and you're like,
that's what you're gonna get. That's what you're gonna get
with the boy quick decisions. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
He's changing plays. Like I watched that game and I'm like,
Colts have a shot to get in the playoffs. I
was watch tuned into that game to just enjoy watching
Philip Rivers like come back like five years, Like, man,
is this forty four year old gonna be able to
do it? To Whard. Now I'm towards the end of
the game, I'm like, yo, I'm not counting the Colts
out yet to make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Have them next week. I'm so excited. So we have
their game against Jacksonville next week. I'm with you, Will,
I'm like genuinely excited to call his game. I hope
he makes it. Yeah, I hope they It's got to
stay alive for at least one more week because I'm
doing their game in Indye in two weeks when Jacksonville
comes in again. Two teams that are at least theoretically

(05:15):
in the playoff picture and in the hunt there in
the AFC, and it's a more interesting game, and I'm
more excited about the game with the potential of him
being the quarterback. For sure, he's.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Gonna make it through the forty nine ers. Yeah, forty
nine ers. They got Jaguars and they got the Texans.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah he didn't. He didn't exactly come back for a
easy defensive stretch.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
But if you're if you're like looking at that jan
fourth game or whatever the last game of the year
is for them, you've got to hope that either the
Texans have the South kind of wrapped up and they're
not really fighting for anything. And if they are, like
Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter, they are getting pulled to
the side for the game, like hey, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Just lay him down, just don't kill the man.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Have you seen the bit of like Kevin Hart when
he was on and I don't know if it was
ESPN or foul or wherever he was at h and
he was talking about how you have to like put
the quarterback down now. Then they pick him up and
they lay him down, they get him a pillow, Like
that's what I need them to do with Philip Rivers, like,
we got to protect this man at all costs.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Texas are as a country, as a country, we need
to protect him.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
The Texans that game, it's probably gonna be a winning
in game for the Texans. That sucks that, that's I'm
just because the Jaguars are playing good football. Bro. Yeah,
right now they're on top. Right now, they're on top.
Big game. They both this is uh, this is Texas
Jaguars this weekend.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, this one's gonna be a decider, yea.
They both sitting run the same record right now. You
called the Eagles Raiders game just was that the worst
game of all time.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
The Raiders are really bad. They're just and we and
we felt like we talked about it for three quarters
because the game was pretty much decided pretty quickly. Philly
played well. Philly did every thing they needed to coming in.
Jalen had some nice deep balls, they used him as
a design runner, had a couple scrambles. Saquan had a

(07:07):
really quiet first half. They got him going there in
the third quarter, and then they didn't really need him
in the fourth the game was over. Aj Brown had
a nice deep touchdown, so they checked. The defense is nasty. Obviously,
pitching a shutout in the NFL is not easy to do,
so I think from the Eagle standpoint, you check the box,
you move on. The Raiders they got they got a

(07:29):
lot of problems. They got a lot they got roster problems,
They've got decision problems. They got to figure out what
they're They've ready fired two of their three coordinators. They
didn't make it through their first season. You know who's
the quarterback of the future. They traded for Gina, who
I love as a guy. He was a teammate of
mine and a guy I just I love him. He's
everything you'd want in a teammate and a dude. They

(07:52):
trade for him, they give him seventy five million. I
think they completely misjudged how close that roster was to winning.
You know, you trade for Gino, you give up a
third round pick for him, you give him seventy five million.
I think it was like sixty something guaranteed that you
with the sixth overall pick, you take a running back,
You put them behind an offensive line that might be

(08:12):
the worst in the league. If not, they're in. They're
in the running. You don't even know gent D's on
the team. And I don't even mean that as an
indictment on him. I think he's a good young player.
It's just he's it's meaningless to have a running back
on a team that's never winning and can't block anybody,
so it's just not an impactful position. Brock Bauers is
a stud. They're two best players are brock Bauers and
Max Crosby, and the problem is neither one of them

(08:33):
can truly impact the game because of the chaos going
around them. So they're wasting two of the premier players
in the league respectively. Really have very little impact, and
that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, what do you do, Like, what do you do
in this situation where you invest and you think you're
you're closer than you really are and you have all
these problems roster wise, coaching staff wise, Like, what do
you do, Like, say, Pete Carroll's the guy next year,
what do you look at doing first? Is it again,

(09:06):
You're you're in a situation where you're always playing from behind.
So to your point, you're never really able to use
Max Crosby to the best of his ability. Do you
look at moving Max Crosby to get some draft equity
to just start looking to fill all of these holes
everywhere else?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah? So I think it's a complicated. So if I
played like Magic GM for a day, ye, you know
what would be my first First off? You need to
sit down in a room with the powers to be
and you need to have a real honest assessment about
where are we and how close are we to our
competitive cycle? Right? And I think that was part of
the issue a year ago. You hire a guy like
Pete Carroll who's not used to losing, he has won

(09:47):
ten plus games, it feels like forever. Yeah, obviously from
college and then what he did in Seattle. You're hiring
a guy who is not a long term in three years,
we're going to be good. The expectation is we're going
to win now because I only know winning. I only
know ten plus wins. I only know playoff games. Like
that's all Pete understands. That's his power, that's his eternal

(10:08):
optimistic brain that has made him as good of a
coach as he's been. So I think there's a little
bit of a misalignment there. We're being honest. I think
they need to sit down and say, Okay, we need
to be good in two years, we need to be
good in three years whatever. That realistic approach and every
decision needs to be made through that lens. So can

(10:28):
you if they get the first or second overall pick
that that game against the Giants feels like it's going
to decide who you know, the loser actually wins because
you'll get the higher pick. Do you love any of
these quarterbacks? Right? You need a quarterback. You need to
get a young quarterback so you can build around them cheaply.
Do you love Fernando Mendoza? Do you love the kid
from or what is it Dante Kid from Oregon, Dante Moore?

(10:53):
You know, do you love them? That's a question. If
you don't, can you trade down? Right? Is one pick
gonna change your franchise?

Speaker 4 (11:00):
No?

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Can you trade down from one to middle of the pack,
get a bunch of picks and accumulate. You know, the
Max Crosby thing's real. We talked about it on the broadcast.
He's a premier player in the league regardless of position.
You have to ask yourself, no different than Miles Garrett.
As good as they are individually, our current roster makeup
and our current play style for as good as they are,

(11:23):
doesn't matter. And the answer is no, it clearly doesn't matter.
It clearly doesn't impact wins because what they do great,
You're not in position for that to actually have an
impact on the outcome of the game, which is essentially
that matters. So those are really hard decisions, Those are
really complex, long term thinking. But I think if they
continue to just patchwork it and just put vand aid

(11:46):
band aid, and there's not a real comprehensive plan to
say we are going to do all these difficult things
now in the moment so that we have the ability
to be good in two or three years. I think
they're a long way off.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, I agree with you too, Like I don't think
Max wants to leave. I don't think that fan base
wants them to leave. Like it's going to be a
tough breakup, but one that's like just feels like that's
why if you want to be a good organization or
a good football team in a couple of years or
a few years, like that is one of those tough
decisions that you would have to make.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, the biggest issue that you're dealing with is that
the owner is not known for having a lot of
patients behind his decision making when it comes to GM's
head coaches and.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
That type of thing.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
So we're talking about two three years from now being
successful when we know the league is one of the
more impatient organizations of all time, And so it's like,
is peak care there in two three years? Because foundationally,
you're right, like band aid, band aid, band aid, you
have to do a complete foundational overload of what's taking
place in Las Vegas.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, so think about it. They had the sixth overall pick,
between a third round pick, a fifth round pick, and
a sixth overall pick. They got Geno Kenny pick at
the backup quarterback and Ashton Genty a running back.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Tough.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, but now.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
You go back and you say, Okay, you want to trade,
you want to accumulate picks, you want to play through
the draft. Now they do have a ton of cap
I want to stay off the top of my head,
it's like maybe the second most cap spending for next year,
or they're in the top like three. So there is
a lot of opportunity for them to add free agents
and to ad guys because they have a ton of money.
We saw the Patriots do it and surround a much

(13:19):
improved roster with Vrabel they spent the most in free agency,
and then obviously they've hit with Drake May. And that's
the perfect storm because you take advantage of your really good, young,
cheap quarterback. So the problem with doing that is you
got to make sure you have your young cheap quarterback right,
not only getting one, but is he the guy that
I can ride this five year window where I'm not
paying him top dollar, I can afford all these other

(13:41):
positions and we can ride that all out. What New
England's doing now and what you know, the Vikings, they
were the second highest spenders. But I say all of
that is you can accumulate as many draft picks as
you want. Think it wasn't too long ago that they
traded Khalil Mack in a blockbuster trade from the Raiders
to the Bears. And they accumulate all those first round picks,
and that's going to change their future. And I don't

(14:03):
I think like one of those first round picks. I
think like Colton Miller, who's on the ir the offensive tackle,
he might be the only first round pick left and
if there isn't nothing, they might have it. No, they
have a defensive lineman from like Texas A and M
that's a backup. But like they've had all these first
round picks and most of them are not even in
the league. So you accumulate all this draft capital, but

(14:26):
it's only as good as your ability to execute and
actually draft good players. That's why Philly's been so good.
All these guys that Phillies drafted, especially on defense, have
become really good players.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Right right. Staying in the AFC, last week, we're kind
of talking how wide open the AFC is. There's really
nobody that you go into the playoffs thinking like I
don't want to play against this team after yesterday. Are
there any team sticking out to you to where it's like, hey,
I don't want to have to face this football team.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I thought Denver had a really impressive win.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I thought I thought that was really a really good win. Again,
I didn't catch all four quarters. I caught the most
of it traveling home. I thought that was really impressive.
I thought bo Nicks played as well as he has.
You know, they beat a good Packers team. I think
that comeback win for Josh Allen and the Bills. Again,

(15:16):
is it the roster? Is it the play style that
we're accustomed to. No, we We've talked about that throughout
the course of the year. It looks a little different.
It feels a little different. But I'll tell you what
these last two weeks, Josh Allen's been Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
And he did it in the snow at home against Burrow,
bringing them back and pretty much putting the game on
his back two weeks ago. And then he's down twenty
one to nothing on the road to at the time
the number one seed in the in the conference and
brings him back for a huge comfort behind wins so
you know, I still believe that that AFC is a
toss up. I believe I can make an argument that

(15:50):
five or six of those teams they go through Texans. Right, Like,
we've talked so much about the Texans defense, and it
feels like their offense is getting a little bit better.
They're a little better.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, they put they put a forty burger on the Cardinals,
and that's exciting because you want to you want them
to do the things they're supposed to do against inferior teams,
which they did. But I think I think just looking
the weekend, we're looking at yah.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
First part of the year. If I'm being optimistic, I
guess for the Texans offense in the first half of
the year, I don't think that offense would have put
up forty on a team like the I agree, you
know what I mean to where it's like you're at
least like they were coming along a little bit. Forget
whoever the jersey on the other side is if it
was the Raiders, maybe we'd have kind of a different too.
But I just feel like them being able to put

(16:37):
up forty against the Cardinals to kind of at least
compare a little bit to that elite defense has got
to be if you're a Texas fan, you got to
be feeling great going into or being in December.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, it's definitely. I think when it comes to AFC,
they've been just sitting there in front of our faces
a whole year. But it's the Denver Broncos. Like they
have one of the best defenses in the entire league.
They have one of the best offense. I think their
offensive line has given up the least amount of sacks
out of any other offensive line in the entire NFL.
And the biggest question mark is is bow Nixy to
take that next step because they're putting a lot pressure

(17:08):
on this kid going into year two. He goes and
plays at home against a great Packers team and you know,
gets into a bit of a shootout for four tuddies,
and it's like, oh, okay, in my opinion right now
as it stands, and this is so weak to week
where we all kind of like have these grand gesture opinions,
but it's like, oh, it's clearly the Broncos right now.
The way the Patriots fell apart after being up twenty

(17:30):
one to zero against the Bills, the Houston Texans their
question marks on offense. Are they getting better? Are they not?
But it's like the NFC people have said for a
majority part of the year, like, hey, the Packers seem
like the most put together team, and they took that
team and plaid to play against their offense their strengths
and go and win that game the way they did.
It's like, Yo, it's the Broncos And if bo Nix

(17:51):
can continue to do what he does, he's got everything
around him to be successful. Now they sit in a
perfect position of they have all this talent around them
and a quarterback that's in his first contract where he's
not killing a bunch of cap for you guys. So
there is if you're a Broncos fan, buddy, this is
like we have to you have to get it now.
Now is when you take a hitage of all those things,

(18:12):
because in three years you're not gonna be able to
have Cooper Benito certain all these guys on your defense,
and able to have an on offensive line and you know,
wide receivers and running back. So I think right now
it is the Broncos, and I think that's probably who
looks like they're coming out of the playoffs then when
we get to the playoffs, we'll see how bo Nix

(18:32):
handles the weather. That we talked about run game defense,
it seems like they can they can handle that. Josh
Allen seems like he's gonna have the easiest path he's
ever had with Patrick Mahomes now being out Lamar Jackson.
He's on the fringe with the Ravens. It's going to
be very interesting to see what takes place in the AFC.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, because they could get that one seed and then
everybody's traveling to the altitude to Denver.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Right in that cold weather, all that stuff, and it's
Denver is an extremely hard place to play. Well, we
all are very aware of that. I want to I
want to talk about the Bengals with you for a
second because before this game where I think they got
shut out, correct it was twenty four to zero. Twenty
to zero, Yeah, they got shut out. Yeah, before this game.
Joe Burrow, he's in a press conference. He goes, I

(19:14):
want to play the game. That's fun for me. I'm not.
He basically alludes like I'm not having fun. He's having
a lot of comments that reflect us looking back on
Andrew Luck and being like yo, how are we going
to have a sim situation where this guy generational talent
which is thrown around all over the place, but truly,
Joe Burrow is a generational talent. Does he want to
trade his when he retire? What he want to do?
Goes into this game, gets goose ech those multiple interceptions,

(19:37):
and he got Jamar Chase in the postgame press conference
saying I've never had to uplift Joe Burrow in my life.
It seems like that's where I kind of have to go.
Now He's done that for me, so I need to
do that for him. Because Joe Burrow has this crazy
body language about him. This is more of an open discussion.
I want to put you just like, hey, Greg, what
would you do? But like, where do we feel like
Joe Burrow's at right now? As far as his career.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't think he wants to be done playing. There's
got to be something going on off the field in
my opinion, based on just a little clues or nuggets
because he alluded to I want to say. A reporter
asked him when he said he wasn't having fun and
whatever else, and the guy in the audience was like,
is there it football stuff. Is it personal stuff? He's like,
you know, a little bit of everything. And then for

(20:20):
Jamar Chase to he also said a personal I'm not
going to say eluded, but he brought up the word personal,
like when he said, I've never been in the spots
where I've had to uplift Joe Burrow. I don't know
what's going on personally, blah blah blah, but I feel
like I'm gonna be there for him the same way
He's been there for me. There could be something going
on and nobody knows about. Yeah, I don't think he
wants to be done playing football. I think he just
wants to be on a winning football team, you know

(20:41):
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, I think I think it's a lot of that.
And again, we never know. It's it's so easy to
judge these guys and say, oh man, how good do
they have it? You don't know what's going on behind
the scenes. I think that's all real guys are still
living lives outside of the world of professional football, and
it certainly takes a toll. But my I guess without
having any real intimate knowledge into the situation, my experience

(21:05):
of just being around guys and hearing the way they
talk and whatnot. This feels to me like a guy
who's saying, I know I'm really good. I didn't play
good yesterday. I think he was very honest about his
assessment yesterday, and that's okay. It felt like an outlier,
felt like kind of a one off game. But I
sense a guy that is tired of losing, right, I'm
tired of scoring thirty plus points and losing. Everybody else

(21:27):
around the league scores twenty and they win twenty five,
they win thirty, and it's a foregone conclusion. You win.
How Come I'm on this team that over the last
two years, I've scored thirty four points six times in
a loss. That's not fun. It does people like, oh,
but you're making so much money. You're making this we
all know, like the money and all that after you
signed that contract and that rush is gone. The football

(21:51):
is still what matters. Coming into a locker room of
a winner is very different coming into the locker room
of a winner of a loser, regardless of how much
money you make. And I think these last couple of years, really,
since the Super Bowl, it's been a steady decrease, especially
on the defensive side of the ball. They can't get
that right. They're firing coaches. Hendrickson's not playing. He's their
best player, Like they're not good on defense. He feels

(22:15):
like he carries the entire weight of the organization, which
he does on his back offensively and quarterback. And obviously
he's been through some injuries and he's battling and he's rehabbing,
and he's rushing back to a four and eight team,
trying to claw his way back into the playoffs. Every
single season they're in the same boat. They're four and eight,
they're three and seven, and it's like, hey, win every game.
Well he did it last year. They won every game

(22:37):
down the stretch. They don't make the playoffs. He comes back,
he gets him to four and eight. It's got to
win every game. He loses a heartbreaker to Josh Allen
to get shut out, and now the season's over. I
think he's mentally worn out. I feel like he's a
guy that's saying, I'm in the prime of my career
when I'm healthy, I'm arguably the best quarterback in the league,
and I'm tired of losing. And I don't blame him.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's like too being a part of
a tough organization or a bad culture, like going into work,
Like anybody who goes into work and like, let's say
you have a bad day or you have a bad week, right,
you have a bad moment. If you've got a lot
of good people around you and you're around a good
organization with a good culture, you'll get out of that
pretty quick. Like we've been in locker rooms to where
you're winning football team, you have a bad day or

(23:21):
you have a bad game, and just to feel when
you go in the locker room or going to the
building the next day, it's it's completely different than when
you have a bad day or have a bad game
and you lose and you go into a locker room
where it's just it's quiet, like everybody knows there's stuff
going on, even the culture. When you go into the
facility of the next day, whether organizationally from the top down,
you just feel like you're in a bad situation. Having

(23:41):
to do that day in and day out. It absolutely
wears on you to the point where it's like, yeah,
the dude's just beat down, he's tired of being he
does know, Like this is one of the best players
in the NFL, and he's just been on this he's
just been on this shit team for the last year.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's not even day in and day out, month and
a month out. This has been a year in and
year round job for Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
And it's like if you.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Go into multiple off seasons and the issues that you've
had have not been addressed. And I know I know
the issues that they have. We've all talked about. We
talked about it earlier with the Broncos, Like Broncos are
in a great spot because they have all the pieces
and a quarterback in the first in his first contract.
Now you have Joe burwho's making half a billion dollars
or whatever his contract is, and it's like every year
it's like, Okay, their defense sucks and their offensive line

(24:23):
gives up sex and every year we're having the same conversation.
Now we're here three years later saying twenty twenty five,
it's December, the defense sucks and the offensive line gives
up sacks. So if I'm Joe Burrow, yeah, I'm pretty
fed up with the situation and just wondering, like, like,
if it's not gonna get fixed in three years, maybe
I need to go somewhere else where it is fixed.
But the argument can also be made is it's not

(24:45):
I was good. On the other side, no other team
has t Higgins and Jamar Chase and that Tindan was
it giseki is how you say it? Like those type
of weapons, they're just they grow on trees, like maybe
the Vikings. You can find yourself in that Si Stafford's Stafford,
those rams, Like those pastures are greener, those pastors are
pretty damn green those But it's like that has to

(25:05):
be the fit. Like if it's like Doe Burrow's going
to go to the Raiders or he's going to go
to the Jets, or he's going a Steelers, He's like, no, bro,
Like you're not going to be happier there because you're
not going to have the weapons that you have that
are even comparable anywhere else other than probably two teams.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Joe smart enough, he would know he's end up with
the Raiders or the Jets.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Well, you know, brings up the question everybody always asks,
and I'm not sure there's a clear cut answer. You know,
they're paying fifty plus million, it might maybe more than that.
Off the top of my head how much they're paying
to t Higgins and Jamar Chase. Right, So you're paying
all that money there, would you rather have a fifty
million dollar offensive line or fifty million dollar wide receivers?

(25:43):
It's a tough I can make an argument each way, Right,
what kind of system am I running? What's the you know,
where's the load? Where's the stress? So I think there's
a lot of nuance to it, but I think it's
a fair question. And you look at what they're doing
with the Rams. Yeah, oh Pooking Akua, the pat Pooking
a coup is a fifth round pick making no money.
DeVante Adams is on is a veteran who last year
couldn't do a thing in Jets. Not because he's not amazing.

(26:06):
He's incredible. It's a better fit, but he's not making
thirty five million dollars. He's not making tough to your
wide receiver money. So you can't pay everyone, right, and
the second you start paying a quarterback sixty and a
wide receiver thirty and better draft incredible it's and we

(26:27):
see it time and time again. There's great rosters with
good young quarterbacks making no money. They're highly competitive and
then there's the couple quarterbacks that can mask the problems
of a bad roster. But even they can't do it anymore,
even Mahomes and Josh Allen and Burrow. I mean, these
guys are as good as it gets, and the roster
holes right now. Of the group, the only one that's

(26:50):
still holding on is Josh Allen. Yeah, and he's doing
it without literally without a receiver. Right. It's a great
after catch and right. Yeah, but I'm talking about traditional
compared to Justin Jefferson, who can I'm talking like a
traditional x Z receiver. It's this, it's a really hard

(27:13):
balance with how much money certain guys take and if
you're gonna allocate a certain amount of percentage, such a
high percentage of your cap to certain players, which of
course you have to, they have to be able to hold.
They better be able to fill the holes that are
inevitably gonna come, and you better draft incredibly well around them.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, now, playing now that we have more information, playing hindsight,
armchair quarterback, it's one thousand percent. You want a fifty
million dollars line when you got a quarterback like Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, but if you have a fifty million dollar O line.
He's not throwing at Jamar Chasen t exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, but I'm thinking Joe Burrow is so good. Like, yeah,
Jamar Chase and T Higgins they're they're animals. But I'm
thinking you got to you gotta keep be like Joey
b Like again, you see it with Josh Allen. He
doesn't have a whole lot of wide receivers to work with,
and he, you know, he's out there making it happen.
You can make a you know, an average wide receiver
look good. You can make a good wide receiver look great.
You can go out there and grab you know, if

(28:10):
you fortunately could draft like a Pooka Nakou in the
fifth round. Obviously I'm talking on my ass saying that.
But if you do draft well and then you go
out and have find somebody a receiver that's got a
higher ceiling than what he showed the previous year with
Devonte Adams when he was with the Jets, you'd be
able to. You'd be able to, you'd be able to
figure it out. I believe in free agency, if you
had a foundational piece of the offensive line protecting your

(28:31):
best asset on the team, the.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Thing that I'm thinking of right now is the viewer
watching the show who is working their ass off, working
paycheck to paycheck, and not just saying to us three
guys who play in the NFL, Well, if Joe Burrow
wants this so bad, why wouldn't he take less money?

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
What you got sixty?

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Hey, I thought you follow follow up.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
That's what I'm like. People who don't play in the NFL.
People who don't like understand like, hey, it's not for long,
this doesn't last forever. You want to accumulate as much
wealth as you possibly can for generational stuff. They're sitting
there and theyre saying, well, the answer seems like it's
pretty simple to me. Take less money so you can
get a better offensive line and a defense.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Fair.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Well, So there's two there's two arguments, one on each side,
like normal, Right, you make the one argument that, yeah,
instead of making sixty, can you make fifty? Is your
life really going to be different?

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Right?

Speaker 3 (29:24):
That's a valid argument. You can spread that ten million
around your roster, and you do that over multiple years,
and all of a sudden you have a better team.
That's fair. Right. Brady did that a lot and been
heavily talked about. There's also the side that those top
tier guys, there is an obligation that it's your job
to raise the ceiling. Right, it's your job because once

(29:46):
Joe Burrow, I'm just gonna make up that he's you know,
let's say he's the highest paid quarterback. Well, when it's
Jordan loves turn, or it's Drake May's turn, right, these
next young guys, when it's Drake May's turn, If Drake
May doesn't jump, whoever the highest paid guy now is.
You never reset the market. And you're not only resetting
the market for the top guy. As the top quarterback

(30:09):
makes sixty, the second tier now makes thirty five. If
the top quarterback's only making fifty, the middle tier is
only making twenty five. So you're bringing everybody up with
you when you continually reset the market. So the other
to the counter, and this is what every agent in
the world of course is selling his client. You owe
it to the league, You owe it to the other

(30:31):
quarterbacks to elevate the market and to reset it if
you have the ability to reset it. So there's a
very double edged sword there, right, like, do you owe
it to the league, do you owe it to the
market and of course yourself or is your obligation to
balancing the books on behalf of your front office and
doing their job for them, right, because the Eagles certainly

(30:55):
don't have a talent problem, right. And the Eagles are
paying aj Brown and they're Lane Johnson, and they're paying
my Alotta, and they're paying Jalen Hurts and they're paying
Saquon Barkley. And I mean, but why can't you pay
all them because you drafted Jalen Carter, and you drafted
Jordan Davis, and you signed Zach Bond. I know they've
given him an extension since, but he's not a top

(31:17):
tier they sign him in a one year veteran deal
two years ago, or last year, you draft Cooper Dejen
you got, you draft Quinon Mitchell.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Like yeah, Nikobe Dean, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
N Kobe Dean. And we can go on and on
and on about the guys that they've drafted who make
no relatively, they don't make big money in the scope
scope of the NFL. That's how you keep that roster
looking the way it does. If they miss on all
those picks, and those guys stink and they now need
to go out and free agency and fill those gaps.

(31:50):
You only get a j Brown or DeVante Smith. You
either get Lane Johnson or Jordan Mylotta. You don't get
Saquon And it has a Yeah, it's just the nature
the game. So like the argument the quarterback would be
draft better.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, yeah, because the meat you do, you know, balance
the books of the organization. You now give power to
the owners. Like when you're in this battle of player
versus ownership and getting paid what the market says, you
now give owners leverage too. Now they're they're saying that
with all the other deals they're trying to sign with
their quarterbacks that they're trying to keep, it's like, well,
the Bengals over here, Joe Burrow did this, like we

(32:25):
need you to kind of be a selfless person here, right,
take less money so that way we can make a
better roster.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
And then the left tackle wants to negotiate a new deal,
and they go, well, Joe Burrow just took a hometown discount,
so if he can do it, why don't you.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Right now the negotiating, the leverage goes towards the team, right.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, there's just so many there's just so many layers
to it. It sounds so easy, you know, and I
save you ten million a year. Is there a guarantee
that you're not going to blow that? Yeah, you give
it to some guy who stinks you're better off giving
it to me.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Right right, I'm approving.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah, So there's a lot of there's a lot of
nuance to a lot of those things. But yeah, i'm
the surface. Not being the highest paid player certainly helps
keep your team better in theory, but now there's an
execution component.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
It makes me think about Kirk Cousins and what he
was trying to start when he left Washington, which is
do you take less money but it's all fully guaranteed.
And now you're starting to work through the process again
of hey, you know when you sign these ninety million
dollar deals in sixty if it's guaranteed, well, willia's just
a sixty million dollar deal and you're hoping to get
the other thirty Like why not? Like maybe that's the

(33:32):
process now where these top tier quarterbacks you're taking five,
ten million less dollars, but thirty more is guaranteed on
the back end, Like that's a win. Yeah, possibly for
everybody there now there's a new fight taking place where
these fully guaranteed contracts are happening, which you know depends
on what side of the fence you sit on when
it comes to that stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah, that was always the approach that I took. Right Like, again,
this is a fun kind of higher level like approach
standpoint that I think is interesting to dive into. But
like me personally, my approach was always it didn't matter
to me that I was ever the highest paid, the
third highest paid, the fifth highest paid, the tent that
never really mattered to me, right Like, I always took
extensions in advance just because I knew I played a

(34:12):
position where at any moment it could be done. Yeah,
but then I also always bet on myself and saying
I might sign on an annual basis a less contract
than a guy that I might feel like I'm better then,
But because I took an extension, I didn't make free agency.
He's going to make more on an annualized basis. But
I'm gonna make the entire contract, right like I'm gonna

(34:34):
play the entire I'm gonna get the max value of
that contract, which might be a little bit less over
fixed number of years. I'm gonna make it all you.
I make five million and you make seven. But you
only made two years of it, and then you got hurt,
you stopped training, you got cut. You weren't as good
as me. But I made it for five years. Who
signed the better contract?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
You did?

Speaker 3 (34:54):
I signed the better contract because you got two of
the five years at seven, so you made fourteen. I
got five of the for twenty five. I did better
than you. That was always personally my approach, where I
didn't need to make the most per year. I was
gonna make every single year of it for fourteen years
and just play the long game. That was always my approach.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, when I was sitting in the position to have
make get a second contract, I was sat down by
Tom Condon and Pat Collins at CAA and they're like, hey,
everyone's looking at Apy like everyone wants to know your
average pay per year. Really the move is we're trying
to set the record for the guarantee. That's what we
want to get for you. And it's when they were
able to break that down for me because I was

(35:36):
a little more great. I'm like, well, this guy's making
this much per year. I want to make X y
and z more per year. And then really when they
turned my focus to, hey, what you're really focused on
over here is the guarantee, that's when it's like, oh shit,
you're right, because then things go to hell like it
kind of did towards the end of my career where
it was like shit's just falling apart and left and right.
It's like, oh, I get to lean on this guarantee

(35:57):
that I have to be a little more safe.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
So yeah, I'm just wonder if i'd get a signing bonus.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
No doubt, you know what I mean, that signed yeah,
and it's it's yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I get I can get one hundred and twenty and
that in that signing bonus with this contract.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
It's so interesting.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Don't get that.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
It's so interesting with the money thing because when you
get into the league and you're drafted, even being drafted
in the first round, and everything's like it was the
new CPA, so like everyone's kind of slotted. You get drafted,
you get your signing bonus, but then you're working through
your rookie car like minimums every single year because there's
all frontloaded that signing bonus, which is great, forty eight hours.
It's like Okay, that was awesome. Bank account looks great.

(36:32):
But now I gotta worry about actually putting a product
in the field that's not disgusting and people hate me for.
And you're looking at these eight, nine, ten year vets
that are making ten, eleven, twelve per year and you're like, bro,
what are they bitching about when they're making that much money?
And then you become the guy that's making that and
you realize quickly like, yeah, that goes away, and it's
you know, it's it might sound selfish to the casual person,

(36:54):
but like once the money is the contract sign, it's
like you're only thinking about football from then on. If
you truly care about the game.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
It's psychousing, stinks, dropping the game winning pass, giving up
three sacks in a game you don't wake up Monday ago. Well,
it's not that bad because they make a lot of money.
It's probably worse.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, you're absolutely, it's probably worse.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
You feel shittier, right.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
If if you're a guy that loves the team and
use ball like chandles.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Are, if you don't give a shit, you're probably not
that like it typically is all hand in hand.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, voice.

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back to this football weekend recap with Greg Olsen on
Busting with the Boys. You know, everybody's waking up this
morning in New England just feeling like dog shit.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Dog shit. But that's also we talked about when you
walk into a locker room with a team that's like,
you know, there's a bunch of issues. If you're the Patriots,
you're coming off of bye Mike Rabel up until yesterday
was undefeated off of a bye week. They lose this game,
I'm sure there's a level of like, oh no, no, no, no, no,
we messed it up. We were up twenty one zero,

(40:22):
twenty four to seven. We should have put that game
away in the second half and we got lazy and
there's a new fire that's taking place in a province.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, it was probably the best thing to happen to
the Patriots, no doubt, dude.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
So I got a question though, for Will When when
did the momentum of that game switch.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Right out of the second half? Yeah, right out of
the second half when they kickoff back and it's like
they win that.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Explain that to me. How you are You're up twenty
one and you have all the momentum and then you lose.
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
God, handle yourself, bro, there's nothing. Gregg's right, No, he's not.
And tell them what you're talking about. When the Buffalo
Bills came.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Out coming out of halftime, yah, coming out half after
adjustments were made, understanding that the momentum is on the patriotside,
we need to string plays together.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Rallying light fire. Hey, we're going to come off, so we're.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Getting this ball.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
We're getting this ball.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
No, no, no, no. The game plan we walked in with
is clearly not the game plan we needed to win.
We've seen the plays. This is how we make our adjustments.
They're also making adjustments. The good thing about being down
at halftime is you understand your game plan needs to
change when you're up by as much as the Patriots are,
they're not looking with a critical eye, being like we
need to change X, Y and Z because everything they
have is working. Bills made changes. Momentum is a series

(41:44):
by serious case by case. You can break down all
of it.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
It's like a fighter. When the bell rings, you make
it to the end of the round, you can recreate
some momentum in that corner.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Right sounds and to me, it sounds like you guys
are talking execution, right game plan and plays and the ability.
That's what it sounds like to me, not emotion and
vibes and feel That's what I'm hearing. Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (42:09):
You are? You are absolutely right, and you'll know this.
It all goes completely hand in hand. When you have
a game plan and you execute that game plan, that
momentum rises, and so do the vibes. Believe starts to
take place. When you're getting that asked bet by three
touchdowns and you've got people tweeting the Patriots week schedule,
the haters are sick right now type of stuff. You

(42:30):
you feel a little more confident now the bills coming
like sh okay, it really is just a two score game.
Then they go three and out. Now you're feeling momentum built. Hey,
they're not as good as we think they are.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
We're all making No I'm trolling.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Can I ask one more questions?

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Ahead?

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Sorry?

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Go ahead?

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well no, go ahead? Well, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
I was gonna say, when greg'sitting there talking about feeling
vibes emotion, that's what I always feeling when I put
that tweet out, And I didn't see it flipping on
me like that whatsoever. I truly did. It's not like
I'm with you. There's been so much what you treat.
So it went twenty one to nothing.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
And as you said, I didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I said, I here, Uh this is this is twenty
one hours ago. So we are right around the right
about halftime the Patriots quote week's schedule. Haters are sick
watching this ass beating on the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah, and then they turn it around come back. I
end up having to make a thread of a posting
the Simba running from the stampede as the Buffalo Bills
were coming back and momentums everything. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Hey, Can I ask another question though? And I'm genuinely.
This is a genuine question. So the Thursday night game,
Atlanta's down fourteen, they score, they go for two. They fail. Yeah,
they get the interception, they get the ball, they go
back down and score again. So they've scored back to

(43:54):
back touchdowns. Had all the momentum failed the second point
after try. I was told the second point after try,
especially after scoring two touchdowns, everyone's feeling so much better,
you're more likely to get it. Obviously didn't happen. They
missed them both. The fifteen conversation after the Philly game,

(44:16):
I was told that you should go for two after
the second touchdown because after scoring two touchdowns in a row,
you've got all the momentum, you're more likely to convert.
The two point. Didn't happen. I was also told that
after not tying the game like they would have without
with the two kicks, they would have tied the game,
the defense was not going to play as motivated and
was not going to be as the urgency was not

(44:37):
going to be there because instead of being tied on losing,
they went out, got the ball right back, and they
went down to kick the field goal. So I guess
I'm just trying to understand why they kept playing hard
despite not tying the game, despite having all the momentum.
They failed the two point try. I'm just trying to

(44:59):
keep try. When the emotions mattered, when the execution mattered,
when the vibes were good bad, It's hard for me
to keep track of it.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Here's what I'll say, Greg, you won this week, you
won this battle. The war continues. There will be situations
now or we'll be right back here and I'll get
to do the same type of trolling you're doing to
me right now. I will win this week. I win
this week.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
The outcome no, no, no, See here's the difference. I'm
not saying that I'm right because they won the game.
I'm laying in bed and like you, I'm getting fired
on Twitter because people like, where's Olsen now going for two?
They're gonna lose, and I'm sitting there like I would
still go for two down fourteen. They didn't and they're

(45:46):
probably gonna lose. And this definitely is on the other
camp side, anecdotally seat because again we want to judge
the result instead of what's actually happened. Here's the reality
of all this. If you're down fourteen fifteen thirteen. Any
you're probably gonna lose more times than not anyway, so yes,

(46:09):
more chances than not you're gonna lose the game. And
then you guys see, it was a stupid decision. Being
down fourteen is not a great strategy. Being down fifteen
is not a great strategy. They happened to win the game.
And that's my entire point, the mote to put to
say that teams are trying less hard more hard. I
scored two touchdowns, so I'm gonna get the two versus

(46:31):
my first touchdown. The defense is no longer tired. But
I thought they were so tired. They're on their heels,
they're reelings their sucking wind. We talk all these cliches.
All I'm simply saying is I'm not debating that we
all haven't felt these things. We all do as humans.
I'm just saying they don't matter.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, gosh, can I just say, Greg, having you on
the show, that was a masterclass, That was a master class.
Any vondas at the end of it too, I don't
know what that means. Vince fun Vince FONND wedding crashers
are they're sucking win, They're not sucking win the defensive sign,
but are they really tired? Now we're sitting here and
we're thinking, is everybody actually just tired? And it's actually
a sequelized.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
He got me to say he won, but he's like,
that's that, that doesn't even matter. He got me focused
on something else. No, No, I'm not even talking about that. Yeah,
and then goes on and you know, finishes it off
by putting me at your and buckling me in right.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
And give you a little kiss on the cheek.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
You want some snatch it again? Hey, hey, you did it,
and you did a great job of it.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
And I will say, like what I was going to
say before we jumped into all that was is having
you on Mondays has like changed the way I've watched
end of games to where I'm I'm leaning on the
side of Olsen camp, Like, hey, does motivate, does motivation, momentum?
All these things doesn't really matter. When it's like you're
down by fourteen, you score a touchdown, you go for
two because you're much more likely to get fifty percent

(47:50):
than one hundred percent, so you might as well try
to go for it once. Question of the game, right thirty,
we're talking about the Buffalo Bills and the Patriots. It's
thirty five thirty one. Literally took a photo of this
and I was like, I gotta ask what he would
do in the situation.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Wait, catch that game, so.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
You know what pisses me off to and we got
to figure this out. I don't have your number. I've
multiple times have been like, great.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Need to be Hey, we'll get it. Let's get a
group going.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
And I've honestly won asket but a place's embarss. So
we've gone this wrong.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
I bench press last week. Boys woke up very sore,
no shit for reps.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
No hoo many.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Not enough.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Brother may as that I've worked out three times. Okay,
thirty five thirty one. Now the Patriots, this is the
Bills are now beating the Patriots. So the Patriots are
up at one point momentum, the whole thing we're still
talking about.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
That got it.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
It's thirty five thirty one. The Patriots are on let's
say the thirty yard line, the Bills thirty yard line.
So if they don't get a first down here, it's
essentially the game is over. There's five minutes and nineteen
seconds left. It's fourth and twelve. Are you going to
go for it in this situation and define the game?
Or is that way out of hand?

Speaker 3 (48:58):
At this point, you're the plus, you're on the plus thirty.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
You're in a tree, You're you're on the minus side.
So the Patriots if they turned the ball over, yeah,
If the Patriots turn the ball over, god, yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
So they turned it over on downs on the minus
thirty down four, right, they went for fourth and twelve
and failed.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
They did not go for it. They ended up punting
it away and while and when they're punting it away,
I'm thinking, Okay, the Bills at this point and this
half have scored so much over you and.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Have come and what did the Bills do when they
got The Bills.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
End up going They end up not scoring, and the
Patriots get get the ball again. They get the ball again,
they have a two minute, they fail, they end up
losing the game. Anyway, I think the result of the
game was the same score, thirty five thirty one. I
have to look at it.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
So was this I'm trying to put Yeah, so this
was the punt. So they punted fourth and twenty trioits
punted fourth and twelve.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
I think they're on like the thirty yard line, but
they're not going in. They're coming out right, soah, fourth
and twelve at the twenty five and it's five to
nineteen left the Bills of nineteen. The Bills have scored like,
you know, thirty five to or whatever, twenty eight to
three in the second half. So you're saying, by punting

(50:13):
this ball away, we're I think they're taking a knee
based on your logic, because they're gonna go down and
score again, or they're gonna be able to keep kind
of doing what they've been doing to you with the
score this.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
High, or at the very least, they don't score, but
they just get you under the two minute warning. They
bleed you out the run game. So by being only
up four there now fourth and twelve sucks.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
That's a shitty one.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
It's a shitty one, right, So like that's probably the
one asterisk. I'm probably still going for it. And here's
why I'm gonna speed up you scoring on me, right,
I haven't stopped you. You've got thirty five points. I
can't stop a soul. You've scored thirty five damn near unanswered.
I'm being down four. I'm not afraid I'll give my

(50:57):
chances to go for fourth down to maintain possession. If
I fail, you're probably gonna go run, run, run, kick
a field goal to go up seven. So obviously I
can't let you score a touchdown of the game's over.
But I'm saying, okay, short field, we narrow it down.
You're trying to bleed clock. You're trying to at least
say I gotta come away here with three points. How

(51:18):
aggressive are you gonna be? Are you really gonna go
for the death shot? Are you gonna be okay kicking
a field goal? I'm probably okay taking my chances because
I can still keep it a one possession game at seven.
If I'm trailing there by six, now the math turns
into okay, I let you score. Now it turns into
a two possession game. But if I punt it back

(51:38):
to you and you bleed too much clock and still
kick a field goal, now I really don't have a chance.
So all those situations, my brain says, you gotta maintain possession.
Even if you give New England the ball on the
short field, then you've got to hold them to a
field goals, maintown seven and give the ball back to Drake.
May you punt it away? Did they go three and

(52:01):
out and get the ball right back?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I don't know if it was three and out, but
they had the ball I think either right before.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
They got they.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Got the ball back.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
But okay, does it?

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Does it?

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I didn't. I didn't mention this would be unfair to
you to not bring it up. They have Patriots have
all their time out, all their time outs, have all
their timeouts rabels. Yeah, so they have all their timeouts.
It's fourth and twelve. You're backed up on like your
twenty five.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
You're not giving the ball back to Josh Allen at all?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Right, you don't want to, so you want to go
for the fourth score on me.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I'm going to do everything in my power to maintain
possession of the ball.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Okay, let's und I know you are, but let's go
fourth and twelve. Fourth and twelve, they don't get it. Okay,
So now you're the Bills. You're essentially in your red
zone fringe area, and I hate that. I can't remember
the exact yard line they were on. If you yeah,
I'm saying, do you say we're either going to be
up by four or up by eleven or is it

(52:57):
we're going to take the three because in my mind,
based on your law, if I'm picking up everything, is
this is not a kick of field goal situation even
though we're in it, because the amount of touchdowns or
the amount of scores it takes is still the same regardless.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Yeah, it's a great point, right. Anticipating what is the
track record of your opponent is a huge element of
how they build all these models, and I think it's
a really important nuance. So when each team sets these
scenarios up in these big books that these guys have upstairs,
where this is all planned out what we do in
every scenario each week, the math does change a little bit.

(53:30):
Everyone has this oh with it's just blanket mathematics that
it doesn't apply to you because your right guard is out,
or your left tackle is not good, or your quarterback
is hurt. It absolutely takes all that into account. It
takes into account the team you're playing against. If I'm
playing against Dan Campbell, I have to really sit down
all week and say, Okay, he's going to really be

(53:51):
aggressive on fourth down, He's not going to settle for
field goals. He's going to play a certain way. How
am I willing to alter my strategy that I don't
fall too far behind and I lose too many possessions.
So a big evaluation there for Varibel has to be Okay,
I fail here and I give the ball back to
McDermott and Joe Brady aside from them wanting to bleed

(54:12):
clock make me start burning through my timeouts. If I'm McDermott,
I don't love the idea being up seven because more
often than not, if you do go down and score,
you're probably going to go for two. Now with the
new overtime rules, I'll be curious to see how this
plays out over long periods of time. In the old days,
you went for two and you just said I got

(54:32):
a chance to win the game. I'm either going to
win or lose in regulation. Now there is an argument
with the new each team possessing the ball, maybe that
does shift the decision making. I don't think we've seen
enough quantity of attempts for it to really flush out
how teams handle end of regulation go for two or
kick an extra point. But yes, if it's me, I'm
in four down mode unless it's fourth and fifteen and

(54:56):
I'm saying I'm scoring a touchdown at all costs to
an sence, make this a two score game, and you
don't have enough time to have the ball twice. So
there's a lot of my decisions and the anticipation of
what you have to do. That's a really unique situation.
The fourth and twelve is what gives me a little pause.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
That's what when I saw the fourth and drowls are
really curious to see.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Hodds are just not great converting that. So fourth and
seven are under I'm saying all day, I'm going to
try to maintain possession fourth and twelve. I could probably
make a great argument that punting might be the right move.
Do I think McDermott's thinking four down mode? Or do
I think he feels better going from four to seven? Probably?

(55:43):
I think Again, we talk about this a lot. There's
a psychology there where let's say McDermott gets the ball.
This is a this is a fun kind of exercise
because you talk about the postgame press conference. You guys
know how I feel about that shaping a lot of decisions.
Let's say that scenario plays out. They go for it, fail,
give the ball back to Buffalo. Buffalo gets the fourth

(56:04):
and four and goes for it and fails, and they
go the length of the field and Drake May walk
you off and they win. What's an easy what's an
easier postgame press conference that? Or you kick a field goal,
Drake May goes down, scores a touchdown, gets the two
point conversion and beat you, or forces overtime and beat you.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
The easier on's the heart the hardest.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Those are easier. Those are easier. Hey, we got to
get better. Or two minute drive. We gave ourselves a chance.
We competed right till the end. We came right down
to the last play of the game. We're right there, right,
there's this false notion that that way of losing feels better.
Then I passed up a field goal, and now I
open myself up to just losing flat out. That's a

(56:54):
harder explanation for a coach to face, which is why
a lot of these coaches are going to error towards
kick the field goal, go up seven, and you know what,
if we don't win, our players need to be better.
This is on the We got to be better on defense.
We got to be better in two minutes, right Like
that's that's the human nature. Of all of this. So
I think that's a great scenario because both teams theoretically

(57:17):
could have had really interesting decisions based on what the
other team did. So very good decision, very good example, Taylor.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yeah, I appreciate that. I think, uh, but this is
also where I understand your mindset and everything when it
comes to you know, play calling and all that. But
momentum doesn't matter. If you look at the second.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Half, I say it doesn't matter. I'm not saying it's you.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I say it's not much much.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Of a factor. But if I'm vable, and I have
not stopped the Bills at all the entire second half,
and my only score in the second half was an
explosive run play by Hendrick Hendrickson or Henderson Henderson thank
you well supposed to be answering. So essentially my offense
has been non exists in the second half. I'm based

(58:02):
on all of our conversations that we had, I'm thinking
fourth and twelve, you got to go for it because
regardless you would think when they I don't think everybody's
at this new way of thinking it where they're they're
gonna run, run, run, kick the three. And now nothing's
changed about the game. It's still a one score game.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah. No, here's their second half possessions for the Patriots.
Three plays minus six yards, seven plays, interception, one sixty
five yard touchdown, three plays minus seven punt, four plays
five yards downs. That was their that was their second

(58:38):
half possessions. Go.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Yeah, so that's where and here and here was Buffalo touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,
punt Neil god.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
So that's where momentum, in my mind is is a
huge is a big factor. It's like the.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
How do I want to give the team to the
better offense, give the ball to the offense with the
best player in the league who I can't stop.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Yeah, I just I have a new scenario for you.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Love it now.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
This is I'm very curious. Let's say there's less than
four minutes left or you're getting toward the end of
the game. I want to say this happened in a
situation yesterday. I can't recall which game it was, but
the team scores to go up their six points now
gives them a seven point lead before the extra point.
Extra point gives them an eight point lead. My question is,

(59:35):
in that situation, why would you not think about going
for two to make it a nine point game. So
that way you're getting a true two possession game. Saw
which game was that?

Speaker 3 (59:47):
I saw somebody sent me on on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
I want to say. I want to say, I see
somebody else walking or post about it too. I want
to say, because I want to shout out the boy.
I think it's a I saw somebody asking this, Gosh
damn it. Jake Maliseak, Jake Malisek with John Gruden. Yeah,
over at barstool, he was asking the same thing. And
I've been curious about that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
All right, so here's my approach on that. And it's
a valid point, right, being up eight versus being up nine.
Once you go up nine, it's a must two possession game, right,
you have to score twice. And an eight point game
is a one score game. Call it half the time, right,

(01:00:27):
So chance of it being a one score game, it's
not a guaranteed one score game. You could need two possessions.
At nine points, you obviously need two possessions. I want
to say, there was like eight or nine minutes to
go in that game when they kicked the extra point.
If I'm not mistaken, you can fact check me there, Okay,
So my typical perspective is at eight or nine, with

(01:00:51):
eight or nine minutes, you're gonna give your opponent at
least two possessions, so just the score. At this point
of the game, you start talking about how many possessions
in a regular game, no on side kick and all that.
How many possessions is your opponent.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Going to get?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
If there's if it's at a point of a game
where say you're under the two minute warning and I'm
the underdog and it's Josh Allen and he's my opponent,
do I want to give the ball to Josh Allen
with down eight or do I want to just make
this nine and say he could be Josh Allen and
he can go down there and score on me. He
has to score on sidekick, get it score again the

(01:01:31):
odds of me, I feel a lot more comfortable defending
that lead in those situations. But there's a time element,
right putting Josh Allen down by nine with the risk
of only being.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Trying to put him down by nine, because again, if
the offense gets the ball back, they could just go
to at the end and then they could get you
because again you're only up by seven.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
So correct, So where that's where the time element comes
in and changes a lot of these factors. Right, you
go back to our thing that started all this craziness
was the down fifteen of Philadelphia. I would make an
argument if you're down fifteen and you're at a point
of a game where you have to onside kick anyway,

(01:02:13):
right because there's a minute thirty left when you score,
I'm kicking an extra point because no matter what, I'm
still taking the on side kick after that scores, even
if I'm down eight, i still have to on side
kick to get the ball back because there's only a
minute thirty. I'm not gonna be able to get the
ball back with any meaningful time to go down to score.
Now that scenario there was like just under four minutes.

(01:02:36):
If I get the two point conversion, I don't have
to onside kick, right because I'm only down seven. I
have my three timeouts plus the two minute warning, I'm
gonna kick it deep. So a lot of these decision
making in those scenarios are very time dependent. The less time, right,
it's teams when to go for two to win the
game and when to kick the extra point to tie

(01:02:56):
the game. So it was the Panthers game yesterday, they're
up seven team ten. New Orleans goes down to score
a touchdown, but they only kicked the extra point to
make it seventeen seventeen. If there was thirty seconds left
in that game, that's a much different conversation. Now, if
I go for two, I win in regulation and virtually

(01:03:19):
the game is over because you got thirty seconds in
no timeouts. But there was a lot of time left.
It was on the plus side of the two minute warning.
I want to say they gave the ball back to
Carolina with like two thirty on the clock. You're better
off being tied with two thirty on the clock than
even being up one. Because now, what does being up
one do? It puts Bryce Young into four down mode,

(01:03:40):
hyper aggressive to go down to beat you. What did
Caroline do? It was tied, they went incomplete, incomplete, He
was able to scramble for a first down. Long story short,
they took a sack, they could, they punted it back
to you. Now you now New Orleans went down on
the game winning drive. So all of these situations, whether
it's going up eight verse nine, whether it's going for

(01:04:01):
two early, whether it's going for two to win the
game in regulation, take a lead or tie it. Time
is a critical element. Come the back half of the
fourth quarter got you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
So is there a cutoff in your brain when there
was eight nine minutes left and this again, I forget
which game it was, but this team kicks up to
go up eight instead of thinking about going for two
to make it nine points. Is there a cutoff to
where it's like, hey, I'm going to try and get
nine points in this situation risk?

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
I don't think you have the timeouts, the two minute
warning timeouts. How many times can you stop the clock
two minute warning timeouts?

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
And what is the likelihood of you possessing the ball
and without getting an onside kick, without something crazy happening?
What is the chances in a normal flow game of
you possessing the ball two more times? If the likelihood
is that you're going to possess the ball two more times,
it's not as valuable. I'm better off being up eight.
Kick disra point to be up eight. Where at least
you can't beat me in a one possession game. You

(01:05:04):
can only at best time me and fifty percent of
the time you're gonna still lose to me. Yeah, Yeah,
but if I can make it nine, you have to
touch the ball twice? Yeah, do you have enough time
for that to happen without a five percent chance of
an on side kick? That's where my head goes making

(01:05:24):
those decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Gotcha?

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
And who am I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Kicking the ball back to right a lot of area?

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Am my kicking the ball? Am I kicking the ball
back to a team that can't score? Worth the shit?
Or am I kicking the ball back to a team
that scored four touchdowns in a row? On me? Like Buffalo?

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Yeah, it's really these conversations show Like as I've gotten
more and more out of the league, I've realized how
important coaching is. And I know it's a weird thing
to say, but like, as a player, I think we
live in this world of like brainwashing, like we're gonna
get it done for the boys, especially in college, Like
you're like, hey, we can win every single game because
a grit and spit in the whole thing. And then
as you get farther farther remove, do you realize how

(01:06:02):
these little moments in games, how critically important they are.
And it's just it's, dude, it's so fascinating to like
be thirty four years old, three years out of the league,
and like still like being like, yo, this is insane.
I didn't even know this when I was playing. How
important this was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Did you see the Mike McDonald interview after the game.
Everyone's talking a lot about it, about him using those timeouts.
Indianapolis had the ball before they went down to take
the go ahead field goal. They asked Mike McDonald about,
how did you squeeze out another possession and you ended
up giving yourself another opportunity to go answer the field
goal which eventually walked off Indy, And he talked about

(01:06:40):
his analytics guy and how they build these and mentioned
the guy by name, and the guy's like, hey, and
we've said this a thousand times on broadcast, so it's
nice to now hear these coaches say it in postgame interviews.
For now everybody to cover it. You always use your
timeouts on defense. You always use your timeouts on defense
because I can't stop the clock on defense like I

(01:07:02):
can on offense. And by doing that, you hear these
coaches all the time say, oh, save one for the kick,
save one for your offense. You're better off having more
time with no timeouts than less time with more timeouts
as an offense, so they burn time out, time out,
time out, they end up kicking a field goal. You

(01:07:23):
get the ball back with no timeouts. But I can
stop the clock, I can clock it, I can throw
it out of bounds, I can get you know, there's
a million ways for me to do it. If they
would have said, oh, we've got to save a time
out for the field goal, we've got to save a
timeout for the offense, that time is way more valuable
to your offense than that one timeout. And Mike McDonald

(01:07:45):
played it perfectly, called all of his timeouts on the
minus side of the two minute warning, all on defense,
gave his offense a chance and they won. Yeah, that
wasn't a that was not an emotional in the moment decision.
That shit was decided four months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
And you have to have a supreme operation offensively because
again defensively, you're trying to protect a sideline. More so,
of course, can't get started, it can't get the opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
They could have easily. But here's what's funny. He could
have done everything the exact same and they don't get
in field goal range, or Myers misses the kick and
no one after the game is saying, Mike McDonald, you
did a great job with your timeouts. Right. The story
is you lost to a forty four year old quarterback
who retired five years ago. Yeah, so again, we only

(01:08:32):
reward the really good coaches when the outcome benefits them, right,
But he still did a great job managing the game.
The only reason we're talking about it is because they
won the game.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Righteah, and because Philip Rivers was playing. That's just absolutely incredible, dude.
Chargers Chiefs sixteen thirteen. It's the first time since nineteen
ninety eight that the playoffs will not feature Tom Brady,
Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes since nineteen ninety eight. And
I know, like Will, like we've played this game before,

(01:09:05):
of like Will being a hater of the Chiefs, but
you like watching the season Week one in Brazil, they
play the Chargers, they lose, everyone's like, oh, they'll get
back on track, and then as the season's gotten going,
they've kind of gone from this. Like anytime the Chiefs lose,
it's like, oh, their offensive line was kind of overpowered
and Patrick Mahomes didn't have time to do as much magic.
And then later in the season in late November early December.

(01:09:28):
It turned into, Hey, these guys that were so used
to making incredible plays aren't making those plays, whether it's drops, miscues,
all these types of things. And then yesterday happens where
Patrick Mahomes rolls out to the right his left leg
hyper extents. It looks like an ACL. I think it
was confirmed by Patrick himself that it is an ACL,
and we are potentially looking at the last time Kelsey

(01:09:50):
and Mahomes are together this Chiefs run. You know, there's
a lot of question marks taking place, and I don't
really know where this conversation is going on than like
this is fucking wild, tough ta take place.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
As as a guy who's been like a Chiefs troll,
Chiefs hater, I didn't even feel good feeling celebratory in
the Chiefs losing and officially being out of playoffs because
the Bills won two against New England that's what knocked
them out. Yeah, to see Mahomes go down, bro, it's heartbreaking.
And again it's like another bizarre stat was I want
to say Tom Brady in his ninth season towards ACL,

(01:10:22):
they didn't make New England, didn't make the playoffs. Patrick
Mahomes ninth season in the NFL tears his ACL. Chiefs
didn't make the playoffs. Just a lot of these weird
dots getting connected. Is the Chiefs dynasty over? Is that
the last time we're ever going to see Travis Kelce
on the football field? Patrick Mahomes Just tearing your ACL
in fucking December two. It's just brutal, especially when you're
trying to save the season. It's not likely that you're

(01:10:44):
gonna make the playoffs, and they see it happen that way,
is you know, shitty man. So, yeah, you're gonna you're
gonna be training all off season, You're gonna be getting
you know, you're gonna be dialed in and locked in.
You have to be if you're going to make what
week one of next year?

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Yeah, you have of essentially like these next Like Greg,
you've ever you've never an ACL?

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Okay, well, the ACL game is this Like when you
tear your ACL. A lot of times guys can go
get surgery twenty four forty eight hours later, or some
times it takes guys multiple weeks. You'll get the surgery
and they have to actually exercise the leg to pump
out the swelling because the knee based on how much swelling.
If you have a lot of it, then you have
to take time to get that swelling up before you
can go. And so every day week that takes place.

(01:11:26):
Like right now, we're on that fringe area, where can
Patrick Mahomes make it eight months from now to week one?
And that's gonna be the storyline heading into July with
the Chiefs with their revamped offensive, whether Kelsey is there
or not, what kind of new pieces they've they've added
to it. It's a it's gonna be a very interesting
offseason for Patrick Mahomes cause.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Is this a player you feel like you're up against
the clock every day, up against.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
The clock every single day. And if you could just
grab Mahomes and be like, bro, week one does not
matter next year. I'm just letting you know, like what
matters is making like go to latrosh head over to
la get the job done the way it's supposed to
do correctly, and then just listen to your body all
the way through it. Don't let's not rush the game
to week one because we all know how long of
a season it is. It just sucks to you because
you see all these like distractions coming out of the

(01:12:10):
Mahomes camp the last seven or eight years, and all
of the distractions have never been Patrick. It's never been him.
It's been this or that or all these other things,
and for it to happen to him just absolutely sucks
because he is one of he's the baby goat right now,
and you kind of want them, You kind of want
them to like you go from being like kind of
relieved that we're seeing a new group of logos in

(01:12:32):
the playoffs too, I'm kind of sitting here being like,
I can't wait for this comeback story about Patrick Mahomes,
like going in next year and like winning the division
and all that, like can he do the storybook type
of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
It's just there's such an appreciation for what they've done
that even as a competitor, right like even as someone
who's you know, granted none of us are still playing,
but like even when you're playing and you didn't want
New England to win, or you didn't want Indie and
you didn't want you know, we didn't want Denver, there
was always those teams. But as it just understanding how
hard all of this is, you can't help but to

(01:13:07):
have an appreciation for what these guys have done for
this long, knowing firsthand how hard it is to get
there once, let alone time and time again, you just
develop an appreciation where you're like, you know what, Like
we're not Chiefs fans, we're not, but like, man, you
can't not be a Chiefs fan or a Homes fan,
or a Kelsey fan and Andy Reid fan more out

(01:13:30):
of just respect for how hard it is to do
what they've done for as long as they have when
the league is entirely designed to prevent that from happening.
The way the schedule, the way the draft order, the
way teams get poached talent, coaching staff, cap the way
it's capped. You can't pay everyone. Guys get big contracts

(01:13:50):
off winning teams that they're not even that good, But
all of a sudden, it's like I need a piece
of the Chiefs. I need a piece of the Patriots.
And coaches get jobs they wouldn't otherwise get, players get
contracts they wouldn't otherwise get. Winning is the greatest preventor
of future winning, and it's by design in the NFL.
So it's more of that for me, Like to see
what Travis has done to see what Kelsey's done, I mean,

(01:14:13):
Mahomes and these guys Like I just as a guy
who loves football and appreciates how hard it is. I
just have a lot of respect for what these guys
have done over the last you know, ever many years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Yeah, just the sickening work ethic and mentality and mentality
that goes into showing up year and and you're out,
Especially when you've been at the top for so long,
you can easily like lose that edge, you know, drink
your own kool aid all that stuff. And for them
to maintain that dominance for so long. Uh Yeah, it's
definitely an appreciation and respect just for what that kind
of success takes. It's weird. It's it is weird knowing

(01:14:48):
that I've been rooting for the Chiefs downfall and they're
actually not in it this year, actually not in it
in the way they're not in it too. Yeah. Yeah,
it's almost like not as fun either years ago. Part
of me that like, they're not they're not in the playoffs. No,
they're not gonna make They've been out of it. Even
though this week was the last final domino. In my head,
they've been out of it. They're not gonna make it,

(01:15:08):
but the fact that they're not out of it, there's
almost this little part of me that was hopeful that
would they that they would go on this winning streak
and then somehow they make it in the playoffs and
the boogey Man made it to the playoffs. It's kind
of all that error just feels like it's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
You've won, but at what cost?

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
I know, I know, I know, like I'm sure, uh,
wheat goes by, I I'll start to find my energy again,
my juice about it again. But yesterday the way it
went down and then the buff the Bills come back,
because it's like the Chiefs could lose, but as long
as the Patriots win, they still have this little like
percent yeah, yeah, something where you can still kind of
kind of just throw salt in the wound. But now

(01:15:44):
that it's officially over them, like, this wasn't near as
fun as I thought it would.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Right, you're the Yeah, it's one of those you you
can't celebrate until there's the tweet that comes out by
Adam Schefter saying that Pat Mahomes has had a successful
surgery and everything's all good, And then that's when you
can begin your trolling yet again.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
I was a rookie in the NFL twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
I was in my eighth year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Eighth year in the NFL. That's crazy, dude. We got
anything else for mister Olson, I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Don't think so let me check it and make sure
that make sure. Let's see here you have Broncos.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
I see you got a baseball shirt on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Is that weird?

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
New season? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
No? I just this was the first. I had a
bad flight coming home from Philly. I had like a
four and a half hour delay, so I got home late,
woke up early. This was the first T shirt. Just
chucked it onto the kid's school.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
How how much longer is your contract with Fox?

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
How many more years?

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Next year is my last year?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Perfect? Perfect negotiations? Do you do an incredible job? There's
no doubt that fought. You have all the leverage in
the world when you negotiate. When you negotiate, it's going
to be, hey, that's great, we'll take this money. That
sounds awesome. Last thing, before we do anything, I need
a private jet to all these things. That would be
a that's the move, dude. That means the ultimate game

(01:17:08):
changer man, It's either allocate a certain amount of money
in your funds and be like this does like the
way our brains work is we take some allocation, we're like,
it's like we've never even made that because we're able
to get back to our families faster.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
And if you can do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Something, we can do it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Eighteen eighteen weeks in a row. That shit adds up
if you flew private, if my schedule, I'm just making
this up. If I flew private both ways for nineteen weeks,
because I got a playoff game this year, so eighteen
plus the playoffs, So if I did it nineteen weekends,
it's probably a million bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
You gotta find that number. And if you need us too,
if you need us to kind of lift, like, hey,
I got it off on the table right now, busting
with the Yeah, that's the leverage.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Yeah, just let us know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
How do you guys pay?

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Well, we were more of helping leverage, where so if
like if Fox is like, hey, we'll pay you five dollars,
we'll be like, hey, we're gonna pay you ten dollars,
and they'll be like, funk, we'll pay you seven. Boom,
you got them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
You know we could you pay ten dollars? Yes, you
have ten? Could you afford ten? I got it? That's
good for ten dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
You keep saying ten.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
That's what I means.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
If there's a five and ten, I was speaking dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Yes, if you want to come to ten million a
year like you guys will, Yeah, if you want to
come more for bust one of the boys, I can
guarantee you ten dollars and I you know what, dude,
I'll I'll beget a lifting something.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
I'm wide enough for an extra seat, there's one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
We're here, tell you what we get you full time.
We could talk shop.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Yeah, oh we can talk shop. We don't. We're not
evenna have the cameras on. We're just gonna talk shop.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Yeah, we can just talk shop.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Yeah, if you if there's a world where Greg Olsen
wants to be with the boys.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
I wish you guys lived I wish you guys lived close,
because once a week I got like a group of buddies,
more so in the off season because some of them
are still playing. And the club we live on here,
the Men's Grill, is like my favorite place. I always
joke like it's It's literally my favorite place outside of
my house in the world is the men's Grill at
our club bartenders. You're sitting there, there's games on TVs. Food,

(01:19:08):
it's just a great vibe. There's it's it's a great
group of guys. So we have like a weekly offseason.
We're like a handful of the guys. We go there
and we're like, all we're gonna beet there at eleven,
and next thing you know, it's like three p thirty.
I'm like texting my wife, Hey, I'm not gonna be
able to get the kids from Carpoola. Meanwhile, we're talking
about complete nonsense, like hiring cycles of the NFL, the

(01:19:30):
new salary. I mean just we are covering pretty much
the ship we talk about on here. It is my
favorite thing in the world to go hang with the
boys and just talk whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Yeah, man, it sounds like a podcast in the making.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
I know, the fucking best.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
He g got to your left. We got to start great.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Yeah, your left to just keep in mind busting what
the boys. We're gonna throw a hat in the ring.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Dude, Hey, I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
My last question, what do you make of the emotion
going into Josh Allen potentially being the the the MVP
front runner for the NFL. I feel like that that
obviously he's gonna be in the conversation. But I'm sitting
here like I saw Danny would be, like Josh Allen's
the MVP right now after the couple weeks that he's
had this eb I get playing late like he's the
guy that's got it all on his shoulders, doing less,

(01:20:16):
are doing more with less? Yeah, yeada YadA. But I'm
sitting here, It's like, are we really going to get
this close to one of the better years that Matt
Stafford's ever had where he's got what thirty five touchdowns
in one game? Five or seven?

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
A lot's going to be? How I think A lots? Now,
remind me when does the voting end?

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
It's before the super Bowl but.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Count right, Yes, yeah that's what I thought, But it does. Yeah,
the super Bowl super Bowl does not count.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
I think it's gonna all depend on right. I think
it's it literally could come down to and again, I
think the Rams are nasty. I'm speaking hypotheticals. I'm a
huge Stafford guy. You guys know that hypothetically they lost
in the Divisional round two. Whoever, and Josh Allen gets

(01:21:01):
over the hump and he makes the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Yeah that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Yeah that's over.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
So I again, I think the team element come playoffs
is going to be a huge differentiating factor because outside
of Josh and I guess Stafford, but as far as
like the usual suspects that are in that MVP race,
no La Mar, no Mahomes, like the usual suspects, the
only one left of those names is Josh Allen, and

(01:21:28):
then you got Stafford, and then Drake may is like
the new kid on the block who's kind of lingering
and maybe he's an AFC Championship win away from him
winning it. So I do think the playoff team result
is going to be a factor. But if you told
me that Josh Allen's getting ready to play in the
super Bowl and those other guys who had amazing seasons

(01:21:48):
are done and he's getting ready to play the Seahawk.
If he's getting ready to play the Seahawks, I'm probably
making the argument that Josh Allen's the MVP as well
because he got that roster, he got that team to
the super Bowl. It's probably more impressive than what he
did last year.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I understand what you're saying. It
would be hard to argue that. I'm just as we
start to and again, Josh Allen's definitely closing the gap.
And I know stats are not everything. I do think
Josh Allen is he is one of the best players,
if not the best player in the NFL. But I'm
sitting here and I'm looking at how much kool aid
we're drinking with this MVP race, with Josh Allen making

(01:22:24):
all like closing the gap this much, and I'm sitting here,
I'm like, dude, we just can't Like Stafford has thrown
for thirty seven out of yards, he's the MVP right now. Yeah,
thirty seven touchdowns, five interceptions. Josh Allen's got twenty five
to ten. I know stats are not everything. I'm just man,
we cannot like I feel like sta is so close
all these years, and the fact that he's this far above,

(01:22:45):
not like that far above, like the gap is not
insanely wide, but where he's kind of sitting compared to
everybody else who's in the conversation, I'm like, I would
hate to just see Stafford get cuked when he's right there,
he could easily have the MVP trophy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Ye win one playoff game, I think you will, and
I think he wins it. So again, it couldn't. That
could mean an NFC championship right because he could get
the bye. Thursday is going to be huge. He could
get the bye if he wins the divisional round. He's
in the conference championship. I think win or lose, he's
the m v P.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Not I'm not saying Stafford right now, if I had
a vote, he'd be my vote. I'm just saying we
all know how this works. An early exit by by
the Rams, even if Stafford plays well, an early exit
by the Rams, and a super Bowl run by the Bills, Yeah,
it's going to factor in right or wrong, right or wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Rams Bills super Bowl would be that'd be sick, sick,
that would be awesome. All right, Greg, you're the man,
bro appreciate thank you very much, brother, great show.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
What a show man goes to Mahomes, Dude, Hard goes
out to Mahomes. It's like I'm sitting there, you know,
like I see Mahomes posts. I'm like, I just seeing
cheese fans coming, Like fuck, you wanted this, blah blah.
I'm like, dude, like I'm here for the entertainment side.
I enjoy it, like I you know, this back and

(01:24:17):
forth and the anti chiefs, I absolutely enjoyed to pour
salt on the womb. But something that's real like this,
like I never want anybody to get.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
And I think that the logical human beings out there
understand that the people that have followed TOMP for a
long time. Yeah, I hate on the internet comes Yeah,
you know you see this Michigan stuff. I'm just catching
strays everywhere. I'm getting bullets everywhere. You're the problem to
whoa fucking what are we doing here? It's like, holy shit, man,

(01:24:51):
if you're.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
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College football, we were going to mix it into the
intro busting with the Boys of up tomorrow with Dion Dawkins,
left tackle of the Buffalo Bills, an absolutely stud phenomenal
energy throughout that episode. Yeah, we'll be covering our college
football talk tomorrow and there. Because not a lot happened
over the weekend in college football, well headlines with Michigan,

(01:25:13):
with coaching searches with Who's Heisman? Yeah, Michigan. But as
far as games go and everything else, we had Army
Navy barn Burner. We will get into that tomorrow with
our Bus with the Boys episode, so again, stay tuned
for that. We love you, big hugs, tiny kisses, See
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