Will Compton Mourns Nebraska Loss + NFL Week 9 Recap w/ Greg Olsen & Sam Darnold For MVP?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Like we said at fando dot com, forward slash busting
to download the app and play your game. That was
a mouthful. That was a lot to take in right there. Yeah,
Big weekend took place, a lot to break down, a
lot of good fun football to watch, a lot of fun,
especially in the NFL games. College football not so much.

(01:22):
It was more just me getting ready to watch like
the the later slates obviously USC, Nebraska, Michigan, Purdue. I
was really excited about. I didn't get a whole lot
of Oklahoma Tennessee, and I think that was because of
the dispute going on with ESPN and YouTube and I
had to bounce back and forth. That was a bit
of pain in the ass for me.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
That figured out as as soon as possible, so as possible.
There was a few how to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
With Vandy Texas as well. Earlier in the day.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Whose side of you, guys, ow are you on YouTube
TV side or you on ESPN?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I'm on the side of get it done. I don't
even know who who's right or wrong in the situation.
I just boys, put the swords down and let the
viewer win.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah, you're on the viewer side, you're on the customer side.
Because that that we're all the people, they kind of
take the hit. So YouTube TV was what offering like
a twenty dollars credit. ESPN wants it to go over
on their app, which, okay, they do have the they
do have the.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Sec what Monday Night Football? Yeah? What else do they
have that are like big Abc? ABC? Yeah, a bunch.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Of uh hold on greedy corporate fact.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Okay, everybody is. Everybody is. We're sitting back and watching.
We're watching like YouTube, Google, Disney.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
We don't gotta cut it. We just gotta know that.
Mitch Carlsey said that not talllor one will comptent.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
In the world of television, everyone's trying to make their money.
I absolutely, but I know that a couple of years ago,
I had cable Will sat there and said, hey, hey,
you started, you gotta go on these streams. Like the
streaming services are incredible. You get everything you want more
and it's less it's it's less expensive all the things,
and I'm like, bro, yes, I jump on get rid
of cable. Now the streaming surface is kind of one

(02:57):
where everyone's kind of got something. We're like, oh I
need that, I gotta have this, what about that? And
it's way more it's way more expensive. Now the streaming
surfaces have kind of won. Now we're getting the fall,
which is a religion to all of us here every
Saturday and Sunday. We want to sit down and watch
our games. We want to make it easily accessible to
watch the games. And there's a dispute going on. We
got Montacuse capulists of a situation. I don't want that

(03:19):
when it comes to us watching college football in NFL.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, yeah, I just want to be able to watch
the games.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Because even if you say, like go over on all
the ESPN stuff, sometimes it's kind of hard to get
back and forth on.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Like sometimes when I'm when I'm ordering like.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
A pay per view fight for UFC, I get confused on, hey,
it seems like it's working. It seems like I also
got to pay again or sign in. I thought I
was already signed in, So I get confused on the uh.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
On the ESPN at the times.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yeah, but if you're ESPN, you're leveraged up. You got
all the se you got all all this stuff. I
don't know what the dispute is with the you know what.
They're arguing back and forth on on coming to a
settlement on putting them on YouTube TV. But it's just
it's big business, big big businesses above us taking taking advantage.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Of all of us.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
We're we're we're all the victim. The customer becomes the
victim because eventually, even if they come to an agreement,
you know, prices will be bumped up somewhere along the way.
Whether it's on YouTube TV, whether it's getting everybody over
on ESPN, it's all a game. We're pons on the
chess board.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
I will say it. When it comes to the apps,
I agree with you one hundred percent. ESPN's a little
harder to kind of maneuver and get around. YouTube TV
seems like a dumb man's type of streaming service.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Very easy.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
You pop it on, it's right there. You got all
the games you want, You can get your multiview set
up you want, custom it's very Yeah, it's very user friendly.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Are you able to organize your YouTube TV lineup?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah? Is the best thing money baby, like.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
The other channels at the bottom.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Or if you have if you have the app on
YouTube TV, if you have the app on your phone
as well, when you start to put in, like what
your favorite teams are, it'll tell you on your phone
like scores and everything going on there as well. I
don't know if ESPN does that, Yeah they do that,
but just seems like YouTube is easier for me to use.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, I just want it to be easy, like I'll
pay I'll pay for a package, like I'll pay money
for a package. I just want to sit down, I
want to turn on the TV.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
There's little buttons the presses, little buttons of press is
possible because because last year, it's like with NFL, when
basically every kind of network or streaming service had a game.
It's like, all right, that's just that's getting confusing to me,
Like can we just have a one stop shop to
where you know, all the capital of the businesses, like
they have all their wins and everything else. I just
want to simply turn on the TV and watch a

(05:30):
football game.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Why don't we get all those major corporations just make
one app and you guys all get a nice little
cut of the pie.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
If what if we make an app?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, we'll make it all the games, yeah, yeahs TV
bust and TV think about I'm thinking about I'm thinking
about ways to get around how we do it. I
feel like we just gotta find a few billion dollars, dude,
and we can we can make.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Feel like that's what they're all trying to do anyway,
It's like they're trying to monopolize television. Somebody's gonna somebody's
gonna be standing there in the end a decade or
two from now with all the you know, they bought Disney,
bought this, Google bought that, Disney bys Google, Google bys Disney.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Somebody's gonna be standing here to come down.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
To Disney and Netflix.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I feel like those are the two Amazon Amazon think so.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
Yeah, I mean just because of who's behind it.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, yeah, Jeff Bezos.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
If I bet if I'm betting on CEOs and founders,
I'm probably betting on Bezos.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Do you want to get into college football?

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Do we want to? Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Just to let people know, we'll break down college football first.
Greg greg Olsen, he will be joining here in a
little bit. Then we'll be talking about NFL football, a
lot of games, a lot of things to break down.
If you are watching listening right now, just make sure
you are subscribed to this channel. Helps the boys out
a lot, massive, massive weekend of football chaos and suing.
And the Huskers were right there, they were right there.

(06:54):
They were right there, shout out the boys, hey coming
and locking in the foxhile with your boy on the
stream all fun stream. We were blacked out, dark mode
with both Tennessee, dark mode with Nebraska, and we both
just got kicked in the gut. Yeah, probably should have
the lights off in the street the next thing.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Do we want to talk about Tennessee first? Do you
want to give the Florida Nebraska? Like really, I'm here
for you guys.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
It's like, I just the problem is, I don't know
how long I'll talk about Nebraska, so I don't want
to see I know, I just don't want to take
people's time. At the end of the day, we lost,
our playoff hopes are gone, our quarterback is injured. He's
out for the season with a broken fibula. It was
going so well until it just turned and it wasn't

(07:47):
Buddy there there there. You could not have asked for
a better first half, Like, I'm nervous going to that
game because it's USC They're a very high powered offense.
The blackout everybody embracing the black and I'll just say
it right now, the blackout needs to happen every year.
The blackout needs to be something that happens every year.
People are kind of against it, saying no, no all

(08:09):
white jerseys, no all black jerseys. But yeaha yaha, du
That atmosphere looked like one of the coolest atmospheres ever
at Memorial Stadium. When we were sitting there watching it
as the game was coming on, I just look over Jack.
I was like, I made a mistake not being at
that game tonight. The way they painted the black in
the black end zones, just dude, you could just feel
the energy, the black balloons. Yeah, the way that the

(08:32):
Nebraska social team all week covered it, I think they
knocked it out of the park. And even the traditionalists,
you know, people be like, are the old heads are
they gonna wear red? Are they gonna come in black?
But just black from top to bottom. Dude, student section
was there, shoulder to shoulder. All the boneyard was packed
two hours before kickoff like that atmosphere looked electric, and
the football team came out and matched that intensity and

(08:53):
match that energy like you come out. It's like we
were taking the fight to usc It was before the
game was started. It's like, hey, seven points are gonna
We're gonna have to keep them three points and you
go into halftime fourteen to six, bro and excited, like, Yo,
we look fucking good. We were getting gashed in the
run game. But if you're sacrificing getting gashed in the

(09:13):
run game, It's like, if I could, I would love
to sit and watch the Vilain because I'm sure there's
a lot of issues to sit there and correct because
we've been ran on a few times this year. But
it's like, if we get if we're sacrificing the run
game of holding the three points and keeping that and
keeping Jordan.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Uh Lemons mkayle Lemon and.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Kayle Lemon quarterback Jordan Mylotta, yeah, yeah, but keeping that
offense through the air where we had them I want
to say he had less than two hundred yards on
the night, and keeping those receivers like they are athletic.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
They're big.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
We were contesting balls like the secondary showed the fuck up,
and I was just so excited. I was like, Yo,
we we look nice right now. We got to come
out of halftime because we got the ball coming out half.
We had like two good first drives and then USC's
defense kind of showed up, was kind of stuffing us.
But to get to half fourteen six with the ball
coming out, I mean nothing, but.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Just was hot. Gentlemen. God Emmett Johnson, do you have
thirty eight touches? Almost?

Speaker 4 (10:11):
He almost had thirty carries once he hit twenty five
and scored. I'm like, we were saying that he's got
to touch the ball thirty times and he was running
pissed off. The old line showed up way better than
they have all year long. And then the third quarter happens.
Delan Rayela breaks his fibula.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Our offensive, Yeah, Latif comes in with a moment for
him to come in just honestly.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
What is brutal situation to walk into as a true freshman?

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Do what?

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Everything else is gonna feel like a breeze for him.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, Yeah, it's coming to that moment. Yeah, he'll be
ready to go this next week. You see La back home.
He's from Compton, California, and then we lost our We
lost pritch At our left tackle, which we've lost. You know,
we were on our third offensive tackle with an inconsistent
offensive line throughout the year.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
But the week before that, you lost your right tackle
as well.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Correct, Yeah, lost their right tackle to an acl Then
we lost Pritchett last week, big number fifty seven, damn.
And the boys still kept fucking fighting.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
They did.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
They kept fighting, and that's what I was excited about.
Because once the game ends, you know, the outpour of
negativity ensues, right and for the Husker fan base, there'll
be some There are some Husker fans that were negative,
but there were something that like loved to fight. Like
you know this, it was sadness. The word at the
end of the game was sadness. It wasn't disappointment, it

(11:35):
wasn't all these other things.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
But for a lot of people, like I want to say,
there's one motherfucker over there at on three just immediately
when the game ended, couldn't wait to put up Nebraska's
record against top twenty five teams, Matt Rules record against
top twenty five teams like that.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Stuff poured on us right away. But watching that game
finish to end or beginning to end, Like I was
proud of the fight, but just sad. On the way home,
stood outside.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Face was painted. There's a light rain coming down by
that point of the night, and I just was looking up.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I got out of the truck. The headlights were still long.
They hadn't shut off yet, so I just stood in
front of the headlights and just looked up to the
sky and thought and and just said out loud, one
day we will win this whole fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Just not tonight.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Just not tonight, because that's where it's it's see said
playoffs are over. Oh they were never a playoff team, Like, okay, yes,
that's obviously fair.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Now no it's not.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
We would have That is not a fair statement at all.
Never a playoff team is crazy. No, RelA doesn't get.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Hurt in that game.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
You guys win that game.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Listen, we play at U C l A.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, but we're aligned.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
But now we've lost three, so now it is you are.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Now you are no longer playoff team. But you guys
were absolutely the way you played USC.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
You don't have I know.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
But there's also a podcast taking place right now where
people are thinking, hey, that's crazy, Like, you guys, you
guys shut down a great quarterback and two outstanding wide
receivers and said, Okay, if we're gonna die by a store,
it's gonna be in the run game. You guys handled that.
You're you're back in your defense is awesome. Your offensive line,
who has been hurt, beating up bruise and and uh yeah,

(13:11):
taking care of a couple of games, stood up the
way we didn't expect them to. Emmitt Johnson did exactly
what he was.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Delan Roola stays healthy in this game. We're talking about
a Nebraska win going to UCLA, who had a lot
of firepower a few weeks ago. Now it's kind of
like got a little more quiet. You go there, it's
a revenge game. And then you have Penn State. Dude,
you guys were absolutely a playoff team this year. It
just the way it worked out.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's like it's like saying that first half.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Was going on and I was like, hey, we're taking
care of the rest of this schedule. Yes, yes, and
then once zero struck it's kind of there's you know,
it's gonna be very interesting to see how this team
shows up the rest of the year, Like how any
team shows up the rest of the year once they
do get their third loss or fourth loss, where they're
they're fully out of it. Yeah, just because bowl games,
Like it's gonna be awesome to go to a ball

(14:00):
but the bowl games aren't what the bowl games used
to be whatsoever. It's like it's playoffs or bust for
a lot of these teams who were sitting there with
a couple losses.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Uh, so it to be.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Interesting to see. I'm very excited to see TJ Latif play.
You know, he came in a very like that. Coming
into a game like that brutal for any true freshman.
But I'm excited, like when he when we played the
Nobodies at the beginning of the year and he was
playing in the second half like he looked sharp. I'm
excited to see a full game playing around him.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
There was one play that I dropped in that group
chat that we had for the stream bro where when
he fumbled the snap and I'm just like, you know what,
freshman like that, those players are gonna happen. But when
I saw that play, like on Twitter the next day,
USC was in cover zero sending the house, and we
had a middle screen that was going to.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Be wide open, wide open, spicy like he's got that's fast.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
He brings it a dynamic that Dylan didn't have as
far with his legs.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
If they can run some r P O with him
and yeah and make people play on the line, he
can also throw it.

Speaker 7 (15:09):
They might.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I don't know, big opportunity for him.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Oh yeah, nine and threes alive with the Huskers for sure.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah, nine and three is a live to me. It's
just the mentality, like, yeah, it's the mentality of the
team showing up, like it'll be interesting to see how
the team shows up the rest of the year. Knowing
that nine and three is very much alive. It doesn't
matter if you don't have Dylan, because latif like he's
got his own game. I'm sure he's excited to play.
I feel like everybody around him will elevate their game

(15:38):
a little bit.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
You guys play Indiana.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
No, we have U c l A Penn State and Iowa.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
At Penn State. But then Iowa's in Lincoln.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, yeah, all three I think will be tough. All three,
I think I think U.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
C l A will be tough because you just have
a very draining, emotional game where it did. It felt
like everything was poured into the game and the boys
showed up for a fucking fistfight to whard. Now you've
got to travel out to UCLA, get up for that game,
stay up for that game. Then you'll have a bye week.
Then you play at Penn State, which their roster is
still their roster, like they're still gonna have cats. And

(16:15):
then I was there.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
They had a really competitive first half against Ohio State,
like they look they looked good. Yeah, but the same
thing took it like at in the second half when
Ohio State continue to punch him in the mouth. It's
like these guys and it's so hard for those players
to continue to stand up weekend and week out. After
so many dominoes have fell in the direction of negativity.
They just eventually are like, yeah, we're not winning this game.

(16:36):
You just kind of see it fold away. That's how
you beat Penn State. At Penn State, you hit him
in the mouth over and over again. You break their will,
and it's like you can you can do that with
that team. You still late, this is a revenge game,
you said, Latif he's coming back home. He's from Compton,
and a quarterback that uses his legs, that's coming in
for a quarterback that really didn't use his legs, having
a week of preparation to get the RPO, the options

(16:57):
like moments in that game that they're not gonna they're
not gonna know what to expect from you, right right.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
There are even a couple moments in that game to
where he made something like, you know, he get the
first down just by running like knowing it's kind of
a broken play and just quick enough to get past
the first down marker. It was tough, though, Bro, God,
it was fucking I wanted that one so badly, so
badly man, And then for Emmett Johnson unfortunately trip on

(17:23):
that fourth and one. My heart broke for the young
man because you know, he just he put that he
was in that moment.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
You know, he was putting that all on him. Yeah.
I hated to see that. I hated to see that
for him because he is an absolute dog, bro. He
is good.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Like people are talking, he could potentially work his way
into All American this year. He's out of a player.
But brutal loss came home, walked in likes everything was off.
Charles in bed reading the book and I just walk
in my room, face still painted, quietly shut the door,
and she just she looks up. She says, I'm sorry, babe,
and I'm like me too, I'm gonna go wash my

(18:01):
face paint. Dude, that one day, sweetheart, I told her,
I say, hey, maybe one day this pain will all
be worth it.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
One day this pain will all be worth.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Just looking at her book, were you reading the same
line over and over again?

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Because we are we are like it's coming. One thing
I did have one thing that I thought.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Sucked that I will say, you gotta go for it
on fourth and one, when you're in enemy territory, you
gotta go.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
We tried for a fifty two yard field go and
missed it. But in that situation, I'm thinking, dude, just
go for it.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
What part of the game was this four third fourth court?
Latif was in?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Okay, Latif was in?

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, Latifa.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
What was the score of the game at that time?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
God U s up or down? Such a blur, It's
all such a blur.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
I want to say, uh, because they won that game?
What twenty one seventeen? I want to say at that point.
It might have been seventeen to fourteen. Yeah, seventeen to fourteen.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
You understand the logic, right, tied up well, defense is
playing well versus you know, an offense that puts up
forty plus points a game.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, fourth and one, fourth and two, you're in enemy territory.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
You're staring at a fifty two yard field goal. We
burned two time outs that series, so that killed us.
So then you call time out and then go for
the field goal. I'm just like, you gotta go for it.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, which is interesting to hear you say, because you're
always a guy that I can. You're always like, hey,
take the points, your take the points.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
But again, it was fifty two yards true, fair enough.
Fourth and one.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
We weren't in like the red zone guy and early
in the game where it's like get.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Your points, get your points. Yeah me.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
It's like you have the backup quarterback and you've been
kind of inconsistent, shaky with moving the ball offensively throughout
that point.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
You're now in enemy territory.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
It's fourth and one or fourth and two, like, cook
something up, yeah, cook something up and keep the drive alive.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I can't. The thing that bothers me the most about
everyth you just said was the fact that as soon
as the game struck zero, as soon as it was over,
that there's a level of negativity that comes out because
I was watching that game. But then once I saw
how like Michigan was playing against Purdue, my panic mode
kind of said it, and I was like, oh, we
got going over here, And so I kind of like
wasn't as into the game as I probably should have been.

(20:18):
But like, everything that I saw was a defense that
played up to the level against an offense that is
number one or top three in the entire country, an
offense that was moving the ball between the twenties. It
seemed like at ease at points doing the exact game
plan that we talked about that will make you successful.
And so it's like, yeah, you guys should have absolutely
won that game. Real estates hell with you in that game?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Who's the Who's the corner?

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Is it Marshall that I was shouting out the cornerback
blitz when he picked it off, just to just go
to that.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
But dude, here's another thing I love to see.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
And I can't shout out this secondary enough for showing
up that game, because that's that's a that's an off.
Some skill positions were I'd seen Andrew Marshall where it
feels like all those boys will be playing on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
A lot of Marshall's out there, or Andrew Marshall.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
So we we were sending a couple of cornerback blitzes
and uh, the Q was doing a great job like us.
He is very tough in that RPO scheme, and the
minute the corner corner would take off, it's like he's
he's faking the handoff and then going right out to
the receiver.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
One he baited him.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Marshall baited him like he was going He went like
a few yards like once the ball snapped and then
sunk back picked it off and bro I was just sood.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
It was great man.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
Yea California do what California?

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah, yeah, I know we have I think right right
transferred from USC. But I felt like the skill positions
across the board to offensively just they were like bringing
the fight to USC, which was juicing me up, especially
in that blackout environment.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, black it needs to happen more. That looks so awesome.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
They do the.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Drones, the drone, the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
This is when we said we needed everybody. They we
threw the kitchen sink at this game. Bro, we through
the kitchen sink at this game. But you know, gotta
beat UCLA.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Gotta beat gotta beat We need everybody.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah, gotta get up for this game. Have to get up.
There's no time to bleed. There's no time to bleed.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Right in the bowl game too. It's I know you said, like, hey,
bull games are still exciting, Like you guys have to
checked the box a bowl game, and I know this
season is not what you want it to be, but
it's like you go nine and three. The conversation all
offseason is like real Estate's healthy world playoff football team.
Not only are we playoff, who knows how far we go?
We're a game away.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
And so that is my question is more of like
I'll be curious what it seems like with the mentality
of these teams when they are out of the college
football playoffs.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, not like they're gonna quit.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
You're gonna find out the culture of the team if they.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Can keep inspired football, continue to play inspired football.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
But you got I was just gonna ask how the
Michigan game went because we didn't really watch a ton
of it. Yeah, dude, I know, I don't want to
cut you.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Off because we had it was like we had the
Nebraska game on. I want to say, we had the
World Series game on, and then we had Tennessee, Oklahoma,
and we're kind of keeping up with the Purdue Michigan
game and it seemed.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Like, yeah, it was close like the game. So the
game for us was never like it never felt like
Purdue was going to like take the lead. And I
thought that Michigan did a good job of, Hey, coming out,
you're playing against a secondary that's not very good. Let's
get some more reps under Bryce's belt of like more
complex passing schemes, throwing the ball a little bit more.

(23:34):
And it was definitely a game where you sit there
and go, oh, yeah, he's a freshman and that. And
the thing that upsets me is like we're now in
week nine and he's having these kind of we're thrusting
them into Hey, we need this quarterback to develop from
a passing standpoint, But we waited till week nine to
really start having him throw the ball a lot. And
I think our receiving cord did a great job of

(23:54):
getting open they I thought the offensive scheme was really
good for this game as far as play calling go.
But Bryce unfortunately was just missing throws. He had one
to uh McCaulay number one, who just he just missed.
He beat his receiver, he had separation on that. There
was a broken play. He rolled out to the right,
there was marsh in the back of the end zone.
No one was around him. He decides to check it down,

(24:15):
gets picked off. We get into the red zone. He
goes to run the ball, scramble to get a first down.
It's like, all right, this kid, he's using his legs,
he's realizing he's taking the next step, realizing, okay, I
need to get out of the get out of the
pocket and move forward. The ball gets hit, out, gets
hit as he's fallen to the ground, goes into the
back of the end zone. Touch back for Purdue. So
it was just one of those games you look at

(24:35):
it's like you never make an excuse for winning, like, hey,
we won the game. That's exciting. Our hopes and dreams
are still alive of making the playoffs. But you're just
like we piece of me. He's like, man, I wish
we would have threw him in the fire a little
bit more against these New Mexicos, against these other smaller
schools to where we get into these back half of
these games where we're going if we were going to
play Ohio State competitively, because Ohio State. I watched the

(24:57):
entire Penn State Ohio State game like the as complete
of a team as there are there is in college football.
Then I know we wonts and the aliens, Bro after
the ball's tips, is that what you're talking about? The
kid you got Jeremi Cardinal tape bro, and they did
a they did a thing on him before the game
started about his mom getting shot in Chicago, and every

(25:18):
time he gets a first down or touchdown, he like
kisses and puts this guy for his mom and how
his mom was so supportive in his life. Then the
kid continues to go off versus Penn State like they
have got a ranking crew out there, and then saying kid,
I tweeted out, I don't know if this kid's electric
or he just has aliens around him, but he throws it, Bro,
He throws a beautiful football. So I'm watching all this

(25:39):
and it's like we won last year because Ryan Day's
ego decided to be like, we're gonna play the same
game as Michigan and they got punched in the mouth
like that. They tried to run the ball against us,
and we just continue to keep it close that way.
I don't I don't see Ryan Day making that same
mistake again, and we're gonna need some sort of passing
threat and able to like you know, continues to five

(26:01):
game win streak. So I just I'm not an apologize
for winning. I think our defense is elite, especially when
that Jahn Barsham kid, he's number one. He got hurt
first series of the game. It's like an upper body injury.
McCauley comes out with an injury. All of our Titans
we're on our third string tight end are We're on
our like third and four string linebackers except for that

(26:22):
Ernest They get that transfer from Nebraska, who's a dog.
And so you know, it's the Bible's coming out of
right at the right time. But we gotta just there's
gotta be another development of Bryce if we're gonna go
and you know, compete for a playoff a playoff spot.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
So who's left on the schedule.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
We got Northwestern in uh at Wrigley Field, We've got
Maryland and then Ohio State at Maryland. Maryland just fired
their head coach. Yeah crazy, But the game, the game itself,
like Jordan Marshall, like like Justice Haynes. He he didn't
play in the game. He ended up getting surgery. He's
think surgery. Who knows if he's gonna be there for

(27:01):
their hot State game or not. Marshall wants for one
eighty five. He has like one hundred and eighty maybe
one sixty five, one hundred and eighty five all purpose yards.
Like our run games come alive and it stayed consistent.
There's been there was a couple of throws. You go, okay, yeah,
there it is, but just some mister reads here and
there that are just above me when it comes to
quarterback development. But you just want to see that next
step taken these next two games going into because both

(27:22):
these games are very, very winnable. It's just about can
we show the development on the offensive side of the
ball so we're not so one dimensional because I think
we have a championship caliber defense. Our defense is that good.
It's just about getting this kid to, yeah, you know,
be who we think he is, and I think he
is him it was just it was tough to watch
this game and not walk away being like, damn, there's

(27:44):
a couple of throws here or there. He's just a
freshman man, so we'll see.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah, if you guys can get to Ohio State as
a two lost team like that, it's like the crop
of Michigan, Ohio State, but Indiana, Oregon USC.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, and Washington. Washington's right now, correct, Yeah, they're ranked.
Washington has to play Oregon still, and Washington always kind
of does well against Oregon. There's a lot to play
Washington right now.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
No, no, no, Oregon's already played Indiana. Yeah, but they
still got to play Washington. They still gotta play USC.
Like it'll be uh, it'll be fun, it'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
This feels like this feels like it's gonna be Ohio
State in Indiana in the Big Ten Championship and then
I don't know who wins that game. I think Ohio
State wins that game. State. Dude, their defense, I think
they've the first eight games, they've hold every held every
team under seventeen points. It's just so impressive.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, they're defenses for real.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
They are They are absolutely for real.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Matt Patricia incredible higher in the season, one knows left
to go to Penn State, which is crazy, and then
you got the SEC now SEC shaken or rattle in
the tree a little bit, Texas handling Vandy.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
And then Vandy having a spark of life coming back again. Yeah,
but it seemed like a little referee love huh and
d the two point was crazy, nuts man, dude. And
hey the on side kick, Bro, they literally almost.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Had it so sick.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
I know they cut Yeah, if they would have came
back that game, Bro, it's nuts because arch Manning.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
It's it's like as much as things changed, they stayed
the same. Like Texas is very much in it and
can be a team like in the playoffs all year, bro.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
And one thing, but also the offense kind of coming along,
Like arch Manning's had like close to around what seven
hundred yards and like six touchdown the last two games. Yeah,
and I mean say, like Vandy.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Everyone says Vandy is not built to come back, and
obviously they didn't come back enough to win this game,
but they made it interesting at the end because they
were getting blown out earlier, where you see a lot
of twitter everyone's like, well, this game is over. Vanny's
not built to come back and diego Pavia. Man, something happened.
Something's going on with the back end of that defense
because they just allowed things to happen. It'll be interesting.

(30:04):
It'll be interesting. Everyone's kind of fighting for the life
of the SEC the ACC did you hey?

Speaker 4 (30:09):
But also before we get off the SEC. I I
get having integrity and having some respect. But if you're
up four, dude, and this cover and the spread is
seven and a half, and you just you're on the
one yard line, Georgia Bulldogs, I need you to score.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, goddess, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
If you're outside the five yard line, I get it.
Take yeah, I get taken any. But you on the
one yard.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
Line, score score, take any and then score the next play, right, Yeah,
I don't care, but you gotta score.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
And dude, you have Florida. I mean they played they
played a good game there. Georgia is just one of
those teams that no one everyone refuses to look at.
Everyone's like Georgia is just over there ignoring mc norman.
They just continue to win games.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Because they have all these like close games, but they
just they just win. Yeah. I feel like they should
have beat up on Florida a little bit more than
what they did.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Florida's got I mean, the the question isn't has never
been Florida's roster. Like they have a very like they're
a really good team. It's just they can't, for whatever reason,
put it together.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yeah, but it's like take off that uniform and you
put on like the Penn State uniform. Nobody talks about
Penn State like that way. We might acknowledge that they
still have a roster, but nobody's sitting there and being like, hey,
Penn State is still tough. They just haven't put it together.
People just continue to just stomp on them down there.
When you get beat by u c l A.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
It's kind of hard to defend Penn State.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, but I mean Florida, Florida, Georgia.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
Have they played all this like they've gotten beat by teams.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I mean, us SEF is not that at the time
they were u c l A.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
At the time when they beat Penn State, they were
like undefeated. Well, since they made their coaching.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Change, I think that I think that was the first
three game.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
That was the first game the.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
Coach.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, what do we think about Florida?

Speaker 4 (32:10):
They I mean l s U. That's a fraudulent LSU team.
When they lost to them twenty to ten, they only
scored ten points.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, listen, the SEC is wild right now.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
This is where those conversations start to come in of
the when it starts like and once it gets into
the off season, the big ten SEC.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
I do think the SEC is deeper. But when we're
when we're getting to a points where it's like, hey,
Florida is still a great football team, is like, no,
they're not.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
The SEC deep there in Auburn, l s U and
Florida fired their head coaches.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
I know, bro, all these that are open now. Hey, Jack,
what's the deal with Hypel coming up?

Speaker 7 (32:53):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
People say, yeah, people having the conversation about Hype not
being the guy. That's insane to me.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
That's just that's just classic Tennessee Twitter rhetoric. Just just
fans that are frustrated and upset. After that could go
down as one of his worst losses as his tenure.
Obviously he went to Oklahoma. That was a big prove
a game in Nyland. Night Mode supposed to shut down
my tear. He's running everywhere everywhere, the cells, around every corner,

(33:21):
we can so many just small mistakes. They were giving
them opportunities to score. We could have gone up fourteen
to Ohero real quick in the first quarter. Have that fumble,
their guy tears a hammy, still puts eighty yards on
the field, gets to the end zone.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
It was just that.

Speaker 8 (33:44):
Max Gilbert misses a huge kick for us.

Speaker 7 (33:48):
Their kicker was on fire.

Speaker 8 (33:50):
It's it's brutal, yeah, to have away team come in.
I'm pretty sure what was this said. I think it
was Oklahoma's first away SEC win in s and since
they've joined the SEC, which you don't want to be
the fence team to give up the loss.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
And the first time that they've scored over a certain
amount of points. Yeah, I think it was seventeen.

Speaker 8 (34:10):
Yeah, brutal, brutal, and like it felt like we were
in it the whole time until it just we weren't.
I mean, I don't even want to talk about Matt
Malone and what he did at the stream. So Chef, obviously,
Chef being the cycle of that he is, Chef was like,
I'm going to listen to the rest of the game
on the radio. I think there was maybe two and
a half minutes left.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
He will Also, remember Tennessee scoring chef was out of
the stream room, so everybody's like, you have to stay
out there.

Speaker 8 (34:35):
Yeah, But essentially Matt Malone has the remote and decides
to turn off the Tennessee game when there's probably a
minute and forty eight seconds left. Yeah, I'm trying to
be nice with that. And I'm like, I'm frustrated. On
my phone, I'm diving through Twitter seeing what what's going on.
And then I look up because Nebraskas has ended and

(34:57):
the World Series is going on, they put it on
the main TV and I'm like, where the fuck is
the Tennessee game? And mag was I turned that ship off?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Man, we're done? And I go I'm like, Jack's like,
it's not over, and I pulled up. I pulled out
my phone.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
I'm like, yeah, they just kicked a field goal down
six with over a minute left.

Speaker 8 (35:17):
Like Matt Malone in the last few weeks has been
inching forwards to being like a bona fide Tennessee fan again,
and in that one moment he stripped everything, And honestly,
it could be a thing where I won't ever take
his fandom seriously for the remainder of life.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
It will take a lot.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
I gotta see what he's built for, especially in these
last three games that we have.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (35:41):
It was brutal the atmosphere, you know, and Nyland looked
all time, just like you were saying about Nebraska. I
thought the stream was so much fun. All the boys there,
two blackout teams just getting their dick kicked intogether. Yeah,
and you know, the the hopes of a playoff berth
are are now over. And you know the only thing

(36:02):
I can look forward to is that the Titans and
the Balls are both on the bye week this week.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
So big week for jaff, big weekend.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
God, I will be out of the state.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
So yeah, the energy was good.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
The energy was fun all stream. Yeah, because Nebraska started
first and oh my god, Broy start off three and out.
JP started off three and out and then a fourteen
play drive touchdown and we're just juice Bro take the
fight to him. Oh yeah, Garritt ends up coming in.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
He's got to pull down.

Speaker 8 (36:40):
Even Scarlett made it on stream from Yeah, it was
being awesome. Just we're screaming and she's just a sleeve,
just ship.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Dog.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Sounds like it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I was till it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I was in hell Saturday the foot, Yeah, bro, people
pop aren't rest by Deylan Royola walking off the field,
throw throwing wristbands. People didn't see me Friday night with
my kids, full gout walking around and I'm in so
much pain after that, dude, it was it was. I
was in pain walking down on the way back, it
was like inches. I could barely walk up. I literally

(37:16):
thought about crawling at some point. And we get to Saturday.
I'll wake up in the morning, go to through my piss.
I put my foot on the ground, dude, and I'm
like even my heel, like my foot is so swollen.
I had to get crutches from downstairs. And I was
crutching around the house elevated foot all day long, looking
at the streamerund six o'clock like kind of jealous, like, man,
I kind of want to go to that, but I

(37:37):
couldn't move. I could not move. It was so horrendous.

Speaker 7 (37:40):
What does it feel like, dude?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
So gout is it's like a uric acid build up
in your bloodstream, and so when you have like sugar,
red meat, something else, like there's a uric acid build
up and it all goes down to like your lower
shimmer stood happened your hands or in your feet, and
it crystallizes in your joints, Like there's like little sharp
crystals in your foot that are like scraping, like essentially

(38:07):
irritating the joint. It feels like it like needles and it. Dude,
it was the worst pain ever I had. Nathan, my lawyer,
was in town with all his kids Saturday. I'm like,
you guys have fun.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Man.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
I'm like in the man cave foot elevated. Anytime I
moved or anything. One kid came by and like accidentally
hit my foot almost cried like it was bro I
was in hell. I was in hell all weekend. Like
Bailey was able to walk today.

Speaker 9 (38:33):
It's all King's diase.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
King's disease, I know, dude. We were twenty twenty two
or yeah. We were playing the Jacksonville Jaguars and I
like Wednesday night we went had like olne dinner. Thursday,
wake up. I'm in so much pain and I'm like, hey,
I think I have turf toil like jam my toe.
And the Trader's like, hey, we think this is galt.
I get tested. The York acid isn't that high. But

(38:55):
that's when Rable comes up. He goes, got the King's disease? Huh,
And that's when I first learned about King's disease.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
But dude, thinking about you hobbling around dressed as Dobby.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Bro I was hurting so bad I couldn't tell the time.
I thank you. Well, we'll cover it on Uhi.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
We need to talk about football right now. Yeah, buddy,
I'm telling you I was in true hell, true hell
all weekend.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, not about me.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
It's about the kids though. Speaking of kids, Greg Olson,
just give Greg Wilson around.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
The plaus Greg loves the kids.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
How are we feeling, dude?

Speaker 7 (39:27):
Doing good? Man, doing good?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
How are you guys living the dream one day at
a time. I don't know if you heard about my
gout spell, but it's been a tough week.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
I just heard you talking about it right now. How'd
you get gout?

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I have no idea. I truly have no idea, but
I got for the first time in twenty two have
had like three or four episodes, but this one started
Thursday morning.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
When we're in New York and say we're flying back,
you're starting to feel at.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, like as like the show's going on on, Get up.
I'm I'm all right now, Like I'm I'm doubtful for
any game, but like I can't push off my foot,
but I can walk around. I was on crutches yesterday
and the day before. That's how bad it was. So
I'm a survivor.

Speaker 10 (40:03):
Greg, Well, well, yeah, you're I mean, I have a
feeling if it was game day you'd figure it out.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (40:09):
I've never seen a guy on the injury report gout.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like you just can't.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
You just have to just refuse to let that even
be real.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
I will say when I did have GOT twenty twenty two,
we played Jacksonville. I ended up playing that entire game,
didn't miss a snap.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
First, because that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
That's what we do. We play. Baby.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Hey Greg, I don't know if you know it, but
your squad, your team over there, you think sent me
a North County Raider, some North County Raider merchandise?

Speaker 6 (40:38):
Was my height?

Speaker 7 (40:39):
Aren't you wearing it?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I don't know. That's a great question. Now I saw
you pop on.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
How'd you like it? I love it? I loved it.
I like hey Greg, Greg and his team. They sent
you this opened it up. I saw the Blue and
Gold and see Raiders and it it juiced me up.

Speaker 7 (40:54):
Man to bring back a lot of good memories.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, oh yeah, Ani's.

Speaker 7 (40:59):
Rock in the locker room before and after the game,
just getting after it.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
And then the Who's nuts, Like before kickoff, our our stands,
the bleachers, they'd just be stomping and be.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
Like, who's nuts, Who's nuts?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Who's nuts?

Speaker 4 (41:13):
As the ball's getting kicked off and you go, and
you know, obviously you're trying to deliver the biggest in
of your life and to earn the hitman's shirt for
the next week.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
So a lot of memories, a lot of memories.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah, club pulled up on me. He hit me in
a box. He goes, hey, this was sent to you
and it was a chaparale seventy seven from your company
as well, like nostalgia out the gate Man.

Speaker 10 (41:33):
It's it's awesome to be able to get to be
able to get cool gear for your school, your travel
ball premium. It's I'm telling you, man, it's the only
place to People think we're crazy. People think we just
make sideline videos yelling at kids. But uh, there's a
bigger play in all this that I think is super cool.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah, you got the deonse And as we coming before
we get into football, I noticed you a little sunburn
going on. We yelled, wh where were you this weekend?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
No?

Speaker 10 (42:00):
You know what, I don't know why. Here here's my
only two thoughts. You're ready because it's funny. I just
I logged on and I was like, God, my face
looks red. Two possible scenarios, A little bit of a reflection. Yesterday,
it was a windy. It was overcast, but you know
how you get like a windy it was it's an
open booth in Green Bay, very windy, heavy cloud cover.

(42:21):
So not sunburn, but uh, maybe like wind in my face,
hair all over the place, maybe a little wind. I
also went went to the club this morning, did a
little like executive workout, did a little little sauna, little shower,
you know, just a little like freshen up on a Monday.
So maybe it's just to just to kind of the

(42:41):
residuals of just getting the body temperature up. I'm not
exactly sure why my face is red.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Bro, what is uh what's happening in Green Bay? You
called that game yesterday? Tough loss to the Panthers. You
even had a even had something up top where they're
talking about the coin flip where they're kicking the ball,
how it could end where they could be utilizing the
win in the end for a game winning kick.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
It comes back around.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
I see you going back and forth with somebody on
Twitter just being like, I what like you were on
top of that strategy and how much strategy does Just
listen to the broadcast they'd learn a lot. Yeah, I agree,
but talk to us about uh, talk to us about
covering that game yesterday in Green Bay is a loss
of the Panthers.

Speaker 10 (43:20):
Man, Jesus, Yeah, I didn't see it coming. I'll be honest.
You know, I go neutral when I call Panther games.
You know, some Panther fans think I hate them. Some
The other team always thinks I'm a homer, which is fine.
I try to just call it like it is. I thought,
coming off that home loss, they looked bad against Buffalo,
banged up offensive line. They were getting Bryce back. I

(43:42):
thought the best thing they did was get Rico back.
You know, Rico dawdle instead of splitting carries with Chew.
But they just went right back to Rico getting all
the carries. I thought that was a great move by Canalis.
He's just needed to happen and listen the exact way the.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
Game needed to be played.

Speaker 10 (43:58):
If you're Carolina, muddy it up, take them into the mud,
slow it down, limited possessions, make them go the long way.
I mean, all the things that we set up at
the top of the broadcast. It's very funny that it
works out exactly how Canalis would dream it up, which is,
you know, most teams get about ten or eleven possessions

(44:18):
in a game. Green Bay had three in the first half,
eight total. That's a win for them. They were over
in the red zone. They settled for two field goals,
they missed the field goal, and they turned the ball
over twice like that was the formula for only giving
up thirteen points. If you were Carolina, I thought green
Bay tried to play the game Carolina's style. You know,

(44:40):
Carolina wanted to run it a thousand times. I think
they just threw for over one hundred yards, but that's
what they wanted to do, and then I think green
Bay came in. Jordan loves playing as good a ball
as anybody in the league. I think they're a better
pass protecting group than they are a run blocking group
up front. I think they're run games. Okay, they're not Overlea,

(45:00):
but their pass game is I don't know how much
the wind, I don't know how much the weather kind
of got to the floor and just didn't trust pushing
the ball. But they had their best success in the
quick game pass and I think every time you ran
the ball, every time you went first down run, you
played exactly the way Carolina wanted that game to be played.
And when it all came down to it, Bryce took

(45:23):
him down on a nice, you know, end of game
kind of minute third. It was just under the two
minute warning and forty nine yard field goal into the wind,
which we sat at the top of the broadcast. You know,
why win the toss and take the ball if you're
the Panther as well, twofold A, you want to keep
Green Bay's offense on the side. We just covered that.
But b by taking the ball when you win the

(45:44):
toss in the first half, you get your choice of
direction to start the third quarter, and they chose to
get the wind for that exact same situation. Kicking going
the other way was a disaster. They missed an extra point,
green Bay missed the field goal, and then obviously going
the other way which they ended the game, was the
way they wanted to kick. So great decision. First decision
was a great one, and the game cooperated.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
If you're a Panther fan, yes yesterday, Lions lose, Packers lose.
Rams look incredible, Seattle looks incredible. Eagles on a bye week.
You got a lot of these teams two and three
losses before the weekend started. I would have I'm sure
all of us would have assumed, it's like Lions. Lions
look really good, Packers look really good. Dark horses were

(46:27):
kind of the NFC West. Who would you have coming
out of the NFC today to go to the Super Bowl?

Speaker 10 (46:33):
Yeah, twenty four hours ago, green Bay, you know, green Bay, Detroit, Philly,
you know, kind of the usual suspects there after yesterday.

Speaker 7 (46:43):
I think Seattle. I think Seattle's really good.

Speaker 10 (46:46):
I think Sam Donald has carried over the Minnesota Sam
Donald orre he won fourteen and has picked up where
he left off him in Kubiak. I think the way
the offense has been built around him, big personnel, you know,
it's a passing offense, and people continue to say that
it's a run offense, which is another one on my Twitter,

(47:06):
like drives me insane when people just say things that
aren't true. It irritates me. So yeh see, I was
shocked at I'm a little shocked at Detroit lost. To
be honest, I thought Minnesota was reeling a little bit.
I thought Minnesota the first couple weeks was a lot
better than they were the last few games. I know
there was controversy about you know, getting McCarthy back, and
you know, Wentz playing banged up and why they didn't

(47:28):
just turn back to JJ earlier.

Speaker 7 (47:30):
But they really answered the bell Minnesota, so you got
to feel good for them.

Speaker 10 (47:34):
But yeah, I still think when the dust settles, Philadelphia
I still think, you know, is the team until someone
proves otherwise. I think Detroit's in the mix. I still
think Green Bay, when everything settles down, is going to
be in the mix. I still think they're very good
on both sides of the ball. Detroit Seattle, we said,
San Francisco's kind of sneaky.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
You know.

Speaker 10 (47:55):
It's just so hard to think that they're going to
continue to weather the guys that they're missing for long
periods of time, yet all they do is figure out
how to win. I think Shannahan. Shanahan's awesome. You know,
obviously McCaffrey and Kittle, those guys are incredible. Can they
weather some of the defensive losses of Fred Warner? Can
they make the playoffs?

Speaker 7 (48:13):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (48:13):
Can they win the Super Bowl? I guess anything's possible.
I think it'd be tough, But yeah, I think I
think for the first time in a long time, I
think the NFC is actually a deeper conference right now
than the AFC.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
And you didn't mention the Rams.

Speaker 10 (48:28):
Yeahs, that's gonna be San Francisco's challenge. The way it
looks right now, they're gonna have to get in as
a wild card, as a They're gonna have to get
free from the West in because barring a huge fall,
you know, disaster, it looks like, you know, Seattle and
l A look like they're in the running to win it,
and then San Francisco obviously try to sneak that second

(48:50):
wild sport wild card spot. But yeah, I mean, NFC
West might be the best division in football, I mean North, Yeah,
I mean there, I think the NFC, for the first
time in the last couple of years is a deeper
stable of teams that you could make an argument for
competing when the last couple of years you kind of

(49:11):
felt like it was the AFC had more options to
represent them in the Super Bowl between Baltimore, you know, Buffalo,
Kansas City of course, and then you had like, how
good are the Denver Bronco is going to be? How
good are the Charger is going to be? I kind
of feel like the tide has shifted a little bit
to the death of the NFC. Yeah, Tapa, I think

(49:32):
they just went really well. They've lost it seems like
they've lost every player on their team and.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
They just continue to Baker Mayfield it out, dude, Yeah,
they had figured out anyway. AFC is super interesting because
obviously we had the Bills in the Chiefs game, which
I'd love to get your thoughts on that. But the
Ravens there, they make a they're making a run that
we kind of all expected them to do after there
by week then you got the Broncos, who are seven
and two just beat the Houston Texans in a defensive battle.

(49:56):
So one can be said for both sides is like
there are there's a five or six competitive teams on
both sides. You can go, yeah, I can. I can
basically see any of these teams making it to the
super Bowl on either side. But do were you able
to watch that Bills Chiefs game?

Speaker 6 (50:11):
It all?

Speaker 7 (50:12):
I wasn't. I was flying back.

Speaker 10 (50:14):
I followed some of the game cast and on the
plane I saw some of the highlights. From what I've
kind of gathered, the score actually wasn't even really indicative
of how the game. Oh yeah, I don't know if
you guys would agree with that. That's kind of the
gist that I'm getting from the follow up.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
If there was, if there was a different team playing
the Bills, when you're watching that game, you would think
it's over. The only thing that kept your, like your
heart in it was knowing that Patrick Mahomes is on
the other side and truly anything can happen. They had
a two minute at the end. I think they had
like forty five seconds and then three plays die m up,
get all the way down the field.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Well either way, still a setup of Mahomes Allen Bill's
Chiefs rivalry game to where they're up seven and Mahomes
has the ball with about six minutes left. Yeah, and
then he ends up throwing a pick around the four
minute mark, in between four and five minutes. But it
was it was a juicy game there at the end,
but it did it felt like the Bills. Uh.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
The whole theme of this episode for me has been
taking the fight to him. But it does feel like
the Bills kind of took the fight to the shut
it out in Bill's Mafia Land.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Right, because the Chiefs defense does such a great job
against The Chiefs defense in general just are very very good.
But Bills what they do. They lined up under center,
they ran the ball and every ran, every run they had,
they set up a play action off of that run
that was successful. So they had the Chiefs defense get.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Some rap leads, some rap leads. Gash and the Greg
You'd love it, you love that film.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Greg's not big in the run game.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
You heard the way.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
The run game.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
He thinks the numbers of the run game are ridiculous.

Speaker 7 (51:40):
Let's talk about the run game.

Speaker 10 (51:41):
I've been looking forward to getting on with you guys
because Will teased me last week, you know, not teased me,
but like tease that we were going to talk about
some of these bigger concepts the run game is super valuable.
I just hate hearing people talk up how the run
game is what sets the tone and sets the stage
for everything else.

Speaker 7 (52:01):
That we do.

Speaker 10 (52:02):
The run game is a great way to win games
once you have the lead.

Speaker 7 (52:06):
The run game.

Speaker 10 (52:06):
Now, are you last year's playoff Philadelphia Eagles where you're
running for seventy five yard touchdowns. That's a different run game. Yeah,
that is more like an explosive passing game. Where now
you're starting to get into the elements of what makes
the pass more effective than the run is to generate
more yards per play, generate more explosive plays. That's why
the pendulum supports passing the ball. Now, if you can

(52:29):
run the ball for thirty yards, forty yard fifty yard touchdowns,
by all means you should run the ball on every
single play of the game. So that's a key that's
a key point to make. But the biggest advantage of
a run game is third and short, fourth and short,
goal to go, end of game, run the clockout with
the lead. That's where a really good run game can

(52:52):
alter effectiveness.

Speaker 7 (52:53):
If you want to score points.

Speaker 10 (52:57):
Across the board consistently over an entire season in the
regular season, if you want to score points. The correlation
between passing the ball and scoring points is non debatable.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
What do you go?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I hate it?

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I think I said, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
That obviously passing the ball is going to correlate to
more points. However, if you're a team like the Buffalo
Bills and you have Josh Allen, who the last couple
of weeks has been like a little iffy and his
pass game, they haven't been consistent of marrying the run
to the past. To me, as an offensive lineman, a
guy that wants to see a lot of balance, because
I think balance plays a lot really well, especially when
you get into November and December. When you run the

(53:40):
football effectively and you have play action passes off of it,
it is way better for longevity of scoring consistency consistently.
And I don't know numbers, you're you're probably pulling something up.
I'm just saying, if you can win first down right
by running the ball by four more yards. He starts
looking over and he says he isn't like shit, he's
gonna pick up numbers on my ass.

Speaker 7 (54:00):
No, I'm just if you can do that, go ahead, If.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
You can run, if you can run outside zone to
the left right and you run that play effectively. Then
if you're doing that, now all of a sudden you
have linebackers flowing to the left side and you're pulling,
you're pulling the ball, you have a bootleg. There's so
much more open on the right side of the ball
and the right the right side of the line of scrimmage.
So I just think when you're able to run effectively,

(54:22):
it opens up so much more in the past game,
which gets you down the field. And then if you
run the ball effectively, then the third and short, fourth
and ones goal to goes, goal to goes, that is
going to open itself up as well.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
If if you have if you could run outside zone
on the left and you have Taylor on and Roger Staffold,
and you have Derek Hennery in the backfield, y Ryan
Tannel under center and A. J. Brown on the outside,
and you can success.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
No no, no, I'm not okay, you run the ball
to the right whatever. I'm just saying. If you're able
to run run plays that you can set up play
action off of to get your shots, especially when hit
the middle of the field, that is a recipe for success,
especially when you're under center. Quarterback puts us back to
the defense or the defense and now has the second
guest over and over again. If they're going to cover two,
those linebackers are gonna start cheating up a little bit.
It leads a lot more holes in the middle of

(55:07):
that defense. That's the kind of offense I love as
as opposed to just passed first always.

Speaker 10 (55:14):
Oh, I'm not saying I don't listen. You're not going
to find a bigger supporter of under center, heavy personnel
twelve thirteen under center play action, turn your back to
the defense pass game than me.

Speaker 7 (55:26):
I think.

Speaker 10 (55:27):
And again we're not talking about Washington, but I think
what Washington And I hate seeing je Daniels not hurt.

Speaker 7 (55:33):
But that was an awful scene. But just because we watched.

Speaker 10 (55:37):
Them play last night, playing in the shotgun pass it
doesn't work. It is virtually an impossible strategy. You're seeing
Jalen Hurts now get more under center. You're seeing Josha
Allen get more under center. You're seeing Patrick Mahomes. Guys
that have played almost exclusively from the gun for the
bulk of their careers are now getting under center, turning

(55:58):
their back because we all know action is the most
efficient and effective pass play, especially on first and second down.
I'm not disputing any of that. But let's take Seattle
last night. Okay, they are playing in twelve and thirteen.
They run the fewest amount of eleven personnel, so they
have three receivers on the field and one of the lowest,
if not the lowest rate in the entire league. Okay,

(56:21):
so the assumption is that, okay, people are so scared
of their run game, they're playing heavy boxes, which they are.
They're playing big base people, which makes sense when you
bring out two to three tight ends.

Speaker 7 (56:35):
And what does Seattle do to you? They throw the ball.

Speaker 10 (56:40):
He's fourteen for fourteen, for fourteen, fifteen for fifteen, whatever,
he is for two eighty and four touchdowns at halftime.
Do you know how many yards per carry for the
season the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 7 (56:52):
Average on the ground? Tell me five three point eight yards.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
A carriage is not great?

Speaker 7 (57:00):
I ask why? Now, Listen.

Speaker 10 (57:02):
My point is what they're doing is exactly if I
was a coordinator what I would do. The question I
have has nothing do with Seattle. I give them all
the credit in the world. My question is why do
these defensive coordinators and why do these media types, and
why do these people at the podium continue it up
there and beat the table about how important it is
to stop the run. Why would you walk into a

(57:23):
stadium when Sam Darnald has the second most efficient passing
game in the league. Why would you walk into the
stadium and say, you know what we need to do.
We need to stop the twenty fifth ranked run game
in football. We need to make sure they don't get
out on us. And instead you let Sam Darnald throw
for two fifty plus and four touchdowns at halftime. It

(57:43):
doesn't make sense if at the end of the game
you run the ball twenty five times for one hundred
and sixty yards, unless one hundred and fifty of them
we're in the second half.

Speaker 7 (57:52):
Because you're up by two scores, you probably lost.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
That's fair, that's a point.

Speaker 10 (57:57):
It just it doesn't what people are saying and the
talking points that get just spewed over and over and over.
It's just not true no matter how often people say it,
it's not true. Now, Buffalo, they ran for two forty
on the Panthers last week, or you know, two weeks
ago and Josh Allen didn't have to throw the ball. Yeah,

(58:19):
because they averaged he had seventeen carries for two hundred
and fifteen yards.

Speaker 7 (58:23):
Of course, you should.

Speaker 10 (58:24):
Keep handing the ball to James Cook, but that's not
being an efficient run game. At three and a half
four yards of carry and people are going, oh my god,
we can't let him go down our throat. Do you
think that either team yesterday in the Green Bay Carolina
game cared how much both teams wanted to run the
ball at each other and the final score was sixteen thirteen.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's you just.

Speaker 10 (58:48):
Can't score any points unless you're gonna score fifty yard
rushing touchdowns if you do hand it to Saquon every play.
And I'll be the biggest cheerleader out there, but that's
not the reality of the league.

Speaker 7 (58:59):
Like most teams don't.

Speaker 10 (59:00):
I don't have Derrick Henry and Saquon and guys that
are gonna take fifty yard touchdowns weekend and week out.
It's just not the way the league works. And that's
just the way the modern game is being played.

Speaker 7 (59:12):
This last thing, I'll.

Speaker 10 (59:12):
Say, rushing attempts are not up across the league because
offenses have come to the realization that you know, it's
in my best interest to score more points, I should
run the ball more. It's because defensive coordinators, by and large,
especially the really good teams, are saying, you know what,
I'm gonna play too high shell. I'm gonna play nickel
to base. I'm gonna play light boxes. Run at me

(59:35):
forty times. Great, you're gonna have less possessions. I'm gonna
fight my ass off to get a turnover or two
and a kick a field goal or two in the
red zone. And at the end of the game, you
might score twenty points. And if I have a halfway
decent offense, I'm gonna score more than twenty and we're
gonna win.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah. I love this conversation.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
I feel like I'm honestly, I feel like I'm running
a lot listening to you two go back and forth
about the run game, the one that the conversation I
was wanting to bring up last that I said we
could talk about this week. It's just kind of how
teams are getting back to that twelve thirteen personnel look,
just the way the tight end has developed over the
last decade. I feel like, because again you said it,
the top these top tier quarterbacks, they've spent most of

(01:00:14):
their career in gun and now you see teams getting
back to under center, and I'm just I'm wanting to
know your thoughts because I was kind of feeling it
when I was a backer who would play mostly in
base personnel, when I was in a backup role or
even as a starter, and you go to third down
and I might come off the field, or if you
had a team that would that would be in twelve personnel.

(01:00:35):
But it's because they're doing more predominant eleven looks. So
you're like, hey, we're gonna play nickel to this. So
you're kind of deciding as a coordinator do you want
to run do we want to put a nickel package
in there against base? And now it's to me you
almost you're at times you could make a mistake putting
in nickel bodies in base packages because against these teams

(01:00:56):
like Seattle, who can have twelve thirteen personnel and give
you traditional twelve and thirteen personnel looks, then you can
kind of look to hey, we might be running the
ball more this game because they are staying in nickel packages.
I think it's fascinating how it's developed. Again back to
getting I'll say getting under after listening to your guys' conversation,
I would beforehand, I would have said getting back to

(01:01:17):
run game type personnel, but getting the more under center
personnel because there was a shift over the last decade
of hey, we need to put our smaller bodies because
even though they're in twelve personnel, they're predominantly lining up
in eleven looks. I know that makes sense to you,
but for people out there listening or watching this, eleven
personnel is where you're having three receiver looks. Teams would

(01:01:39):
take twelve personnel, so two tight ends, one running back
and they would make a tight end, be more of
a receiving tight end and flank him out or cut
him away from the line of scrimmage to where now
it's you're having to make a decision to are we
going to be in more base packages versus these twelve
thirteen personnel looks. And I'm just kind of curious of

(01:01:59):
what you've seen over the last decade of this shift
coming back to under center run game and how again
it's like coordinators are it's like, are we gonna stop
the run? You're a little bit more vanilla when you're
in base packages because you've spent most of the last
decade or so fifteen years building out a lot more
complex nickel dime packages to where it's like, Hey, now
we're gonna make the call. Are we going to play

(01:02:20):
bass to this twelve thirteen personnel team, because a lot
of these twelve thirteen personnel teams, like Seattle is having
a lot of success just being under center now and
looking more old school.

Speaker 10 (01:02:30):
Yeah so, and I can give you again when it
first kind of dawned on me. But everything you're saying
is where the conversation needs to start going towards, because
what you're saying is one hundred percent what's happening. The
twenty twenty two season, that playoffs we called the super Bowl.
We had Detroit and San Francisco in one of the
playoff games. I don't remember, maybe the divisional round or

(01:02:52):
I can't remember exactly what round of the playoffs it was.
And the conversation back then was San Francisco was so
good in twenty one personnel. Okay, so they had two receivers,
they had McCaffrey Kittle and use check and they could
be in eleven type plays because of the flexibility of
McCaffrey and use check and kittle. They could be in

(01:03:13):
twelve types, so two tight end type stuff because of
use check and kittle, And it was putting a lot
of pressure on defenses. And one of the big issues
that the Lions were having that year was matching those
base personnel looks. And we said at the top of
that broadcast, this was three years ago that at the

(01:03:35):
Aaron Glenn at the time was the coordinator that if
I was running the Detroit Lions defense, that they should
not worry about personnel at all and they should only
play down in distance. On first and ten, the tendencies
of the Shanahan office was under center, play action pass.
So play under center play action pass. If they hand

(01:03:56):
the ball off and get seven yards, so be it.
And just go through down in distance tendencies and play
your personnel, whether it's four or five man fronts, whether
it's three safeties, three linebackers, four, whatever your personnel groupings are,
and base them off down in distance. So that was
two and a half years ago that we were having
that conversation of a playoff game, and that is exactly

(01:04:19):
what the Lions did. Anyway, fast forward to today, the
conversation that needs to be had is why do the
Rams play almost exclusively eleven yet are very good at
running the ball. And the answer is because they build
eleven personnel groupings. You play me and Nickel and I'm

(01:04:42):
going to line up in tight, condensed splits with in
the old days Cooper Cup. Nowadays it's Puka Nakua and company,
and those guys are good edge blockers. I'm going to
add gaps to the run game that now all of
these defensive backs, five six defensive backs and Nickel and
Dime have to fit the run. I'm gonna get all
those big bodies off the field because you're gonna match

(01:05:03):
Nickel against my eleven, and I'm gonna run the ball
at you in first and second down, and then all
of my playpass stuff looks exactly like that because the
way McVeigh builds it. Now, flip it to last night
with Seattle, they're doing the opposite. They're bringing big bodies
onto the field under the assumption that you're gonna match

(01:05:23):
me with big bodies, and I'm gonna make you go
big to throw it, and La is trying to make
you go small to run it. And that's the starting
point of everything they're trying to do. They are manipulating
the personnel groupings you bring on the field, and then
they're gonna play the game accordingly. That's why if I
was running defenses, I would match things more often than

(01:05:47):
not on tendencies of down and distance, where I don't
care if you come out in twelve personnel. If I
know you're a first and ten past team, I'm gonna
play first and ten two high safeties, and I'm gonna if.

Speaker 7 (01:05:57):
You run it, you run it.

Speaker 10 (01:05:59):
That's where the league, I think is going. From the
conversations I have with defensive coordinators and really smart defensive people,
that's the indications that they're giving me if you don't
give up explosive runs, which teams are now starting to realize.
Putting more guys at the first and second level actually
on a play by play better, you'll like this, will

(01:06:19):
like on a play by play basis, defenses will support
the run better in eight man spacing, five to three spacing,
four to four spacing, like more first and second level defenders.
But what we're finding is against Derrick Henry and Saquon
Barkley and those kind of backs, the explosive runs are
happening against single high coverage because once that play pops through,

(01:06:42):
it's gone. Yea, So teams are going you know what,
i might give up five or six, but I'm not
gonna give up fifty. I'm gonna put a net. I'm
gonna play everything from high to low. I might be
light at the line of scrimmage, but that's okay. And
I'm not gonna let you run the ball for forty
plus yard plays and chunk me to death in the
run game. That's a problem. The good teams are all
doing that. The bend, but don't break. Make you go

(01:07:04):
the length of the field, make you snap it again.
I could get a sack, I could get a holding call,
I could get a false start. But every time an
offense snaps the ball, something bad can happen. And that's
become the model of today's NFL. And I think it's
just going to continue to go more and more that
way because teams don't want you to throw the ball

(01:07:26):
and they really don't care if you run it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Yeah, this is I could talk about We could talk
about this all day long.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
I just think it's so fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Because again, you brought up the rams in the way
that they're able to run the ball in eleven personnel
because usually again when you're going nickel bodies back like
back in the day, the nickel wouldn't be coming in
and had to be very savvy in the run game
and say, hey, you're gonna have the be gap on
this snap. They're only going to run a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Hey, it's.

Speaker 7 (01:07:54):
Because he's so physical. That's a different animal.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
And also even in the bigger personnel, So take the
Buffalo Bills for example, like the development of the linebacker
over the course of the decade has gotten more athletic, faster,
maybe a little smaller and leaner. And if you take
the Buffalo Bill's second level, they're a little light in
the ass. So when you're going against these twelve thirteen
personnel teams, it's where you could struggle in the run

(01:08:18):
game because you don't have bigger bodies, and then you
get caught between a rock and a hard place on
you know, when you hit free agency or what you're
trying to stop or eliminate, do you get bigger bodies now,
it's just been fascinating to see these offenses adapt year
in and year out. To the personnel. It's like, again,
we've been a little bit more gun run heavy in
the gun pass games opened up because bigger bodies have

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been out there. Now we're making teams go nickel. Hey,
Now we've learned that if we go twelve personnel and
we have very athletic tight ends, he could block at times,
he could be a receiving threat. Now they're a lighter
in the ass across the second level lining up against
twelve thirteen personnel. Now we're able to run the football
more because the second level is now lighter because of
how defenses said had to adapt over the last decade.

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Two a passing threat offense. This is what I just
sit back and think about it, and I always I'll
give you.

Speaker 10 (01:09:07):
Another one that's super timely. Buffalo they play a ton
of thirteen, So three tight ends they get, Yeah, Knox,
Kincaid and then the rookie. They don't do as much
twelve as you would think with Knox and Kincaid because
when they go twelve with Knox and Kincaid, what defense,
what defense do they bring out?

Speaker 7 (01:09:27):
What personnel group? Nicol they play Nickel, So you.

Speaker 10 (01:09:30):
Lose all of your advantage in Kincaid. Is it really
going to gain that advantage back? So to be an
early down passing team out of twelve Buffalo has said,
you know what, that doesn't really do anything for us,
but you know what does get you in base and
does get a lot of big bodies on the field.

Speaker 7 (01:09:46):
Thirteen.

Speaker 10 (01:09:47):
Yeah, and then you know who My Z receiver in
essence is Dalton Kincaid. So now I have Kincaid, I
have my ex whichever receiver they leave on the field
depending on the play. And then Dawson Knox is the
is the the f and then the rookie is the
big Why he's like the on the ball true tight end.
They can line up in double wing and run it

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down your throat or what they like to do is
they can spread you out and they can throw it
because they feel like that's the.

Speaker 7 (01:10:14):
One personnel grouping.

Speaker 10 (01:10:16):
They are getting a pass advantage because they're not great
on the outside. They're not dominant at the outside receivers.
So they're doing it with screen games the Shakir and
they're doing it with play action pass to the tight ends.
And obviously James Cook in the run game in the
screen game, so it's another great example of Buffalo and
Joe Brady being really intelligent of how do I get

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big bodies on the field when I want to throw it?
And how do I get more little bodies on the
field when I want to run it? Right, that's what
everyone's doing. And if you match personnel, you're as a defense,
you are now at the mercy of the offense right
dictating to you who's on the field.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
And making the secondary even especially corners like play savvy
in the run game enough to mess with their and
hit him on these play actual passers.

Speaker 10 (01:11:03):
And again without getting into the weeds, too complicated on
all this, but this is where the McVeigh shanahan wide receiver,
pre snap, jet motion and all that stuff that everyone
looks at and goes, man, it's to distract the linebackers.
It's not distracting the linebackers. This is not middle school
football where you send a guy in motion and all
eleven guys on defense watch him go. It changes the

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run fits, Yeah, it changes Now that that backside nickel
who's an edge player off the slot, all of a sudden,
that guy goes in fast motion. He's now the backside
b gat player and we're running wine back inside zone
and he's at the point of attack now. And the
front side linebacker who's Will Compton, he's your run player.
He just got bumped to the edge because now it's
a three by one formation and he's got to play

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outside the box and he can't make the tackle. Like
that's what's going on in all of this, And it's
a hard thing to get across in the broadcast because
the timing and it's a little in depth, but it
is a fascinating evolution of offensive football the way that
it's being played nowadays.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Because again, even even the defensive back, like just the
inexperience of playing very detailed on the run game. You
get them to pat their feet just for a second
and the GAP's gonna move or you're gonna get the
body on them eventually, and just that little bit of
or enough inexperience to where, hey, you're putting them in
a in a very much a run conflict situation to

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where that's all you need to pop an explosive play.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Let me ask you this. You guys brought you brought
the bills of the thirteen personnel. That's the only way
to get these defense is to go in two base
if you are a defense coordinator game planning against the
Buffalo Bills, how are you playing their tendencies? This is
kind of for both of you.

Speaker 10 (01:12:42):
Oh, I guess it depends what my team is, right, Yeah,
I guess I would have to look at my personnel
and say, right, So, what's been the advantage.

Speaker 7 (01:12:50):
Of the Eagles over the last couple of years.

Speaker 10 (01:12:52):
It's twofold, right, So, as I'm building it, if I
put my defensive coordinator hat on here, my first question
is how good is my offense? And if I say
my offense is a twenty five or more points per game,
maybe we're even closer to twenty eight. I'm sitting there saying,
I don't give a shit how much you run the
ball on me. You're not gonna score twenty eight to
thirty points a game doing that. I'm gonna play high shells.

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I'm gonna control the front. I'm gonna control the run
game with my front. That's been Philadelphia for the last
couple of years, right. That's Vic Fangio's kind of touch
on NFL defenses over the last decade is high shells.
Everything from the top down be really dominant at one
or two spots. In the defensive line, and those guys
control the game. And now my back seven are all

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pass first, run, second downhill, run and chase players. If
that's my personnel and my offense is that compliment, That's
exactly what.

Speaker 7 (01:13:44):
I'm gonna be.

Speaker 10 (01:13:45):
It's why Dallas really struggled last year and everyone overreacted
to Dallas needs to be better against the run. Well,
in twenty twenty three, when Dak was a potential MVP
and they're scoring thirty a game, no one talked about
Dallas's run game because it was Draymond Diggs and it
was Deron Bland having pick sixes and Micah Parson's having
stripsacks with DeMarcus Lawrence and they're just rushing the passer

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the entire game. Because you can't run and keep up
with Dak in a thirty point offense, Dak gets hurt.
All of a sudden, the passing game goes to shit,
and it turns into the Rico Dawdle run game. Well,
all of a sudden, now we're playing a lot lower
scoring games as a result, because I'm not chasing Dallas anymore,
and I can run the ball for four quarters and
all of a sudden now the weakness of the smaller bodies,

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the lighter bodies. The way Dallas built that defense over
the years to complement a thirty point offense has now
completely broken down. So I guess to answer your question,
how good's my offense? Am I playing low twenties high
teens games? Or am I making this a race to thirty?
That changes my decisions drastically? And then do I have
one or two interior defensive linemen that are just an

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absolute game wrecker that I can hold the front and
you might get me here and there, but at the
end you ran twenty two times for eighty five yards.
I'm fine with that. That doesn't bother me. So there's
some nuance to how I would play, but generally speaking,
that would be my approach.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Yeah, and just understanding your back seven Like again, it's
it's like, if you're sitting there stuck between a rock
and a hard place, are we going to go bigger
personnel this game or not?

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Well, if we're going to go on extra back, you're
on extra backer' here. Number one?

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Is he detailed enough in the past game to where
he can run and play in space? And if not,
do you have a secondary level guy or a defensive
bad guy who can play in the run game and
be like, all right, we'll give up some of the run,
but we really need this guy in the back end
to eliminate.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Some of the explosives through the air. So it all.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Depends, and it's just been it's just fascinating to watch
this game can continue to adapt, you know, a few
years at a time, and then see teams go after
certain body types, certain body types like again, even when
the tight end was becoming more of a receiving threat.
With all these very athletic tight ends, Jordan Reed was
one of them for us to where you're kind of

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more you're trying to get teams more out of space.
But anytime you knew Jordan Reid was in the game,
let's just say he.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Was number eighty five.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
If you knew eighty five was in the game, you're
gonna put lighter personnel out there because you know ninety
percent of the time they're gonna throw a pass because
of Jordan Reid. Versus if you got Logan Paulsen eighty two,
who's a blocking tight end. Now you're just seeing these
semi positions become you know, just super athletic, like these
freaks that they're finding that can kind of do both things.
To Greg's point with Buffalo, where you could put thirteen

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out there and Kinkaid can play.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
The X or player receiver.

Speaker 10 (01:16:31):
So it's this is football interesting, Yeah, this is It's
what they tried to do with Kyle Pitts in Atlanta
with Arthur Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yeah yeah, yes, great example.

Speaker 10 (01:16:41):
It's the exact same thing. The problem was early in
his career. And I haven't had an Atlanta game this year,
so I don't want to make a blanket observations. I
haven't watched Kyle play this year, but obviously freak athlete,
wide receiver type, body type, skills, ability to move.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
I mean, he's a.

Speaker 10 (01:16:56):
Rare dude to have te next to his name. The
problem was they played him as a Z receiver and
you lose a little bit of your matchup, right, Like
I ow, the worst thing for me, the best thing
for me in my career. I'll just speak about myself.
It's easier than be giving judging other guys. Early in
my career when I came out, when we went two
tight ends in Chicago, Desmond Clark, who was the other

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tight end with me, the vet.

Speaker 7 (01:17:20):
He was the why.

Speaker 10 (01:17:21):
He was the true tight end, and I was the
F I was in the slot. I was the third receiver.
That was never my game. I was not comfortable out there.
I didn't want to run choice routes. I didn't want
to run underneath like that was not who I was.
The best thing for my career was playing the why,
because I was the why. Whether it was twelve eleven, thirteen,
twenty one, it didn't matter.

Speaker 7 (01:17:42):
I was the why.

Speaker 10 (01:17:44):
So my matchups were linebackers in safeties I was. I
was in the run game, so I was in the
game every single snap, so there was no tendencies. Hey,
Olsen's in the game, let's play nickel pass. Olsen's not
in the game. We can play run like when you
can play every down and you don't have to be
so predicted bowl in your personnel groupings based on your tendencies.
That was the best thing that ever happened to me.

(01:18:04):
If I had to play my early in my career,
when Charles Woodson was in Green Bay, Don Capers was
the decordinator, and then I forget who took over for him.
My rookie year, we're breaking the huddle and I got
Charles Woodson guarding me in the slot. They made him
like a dime linebacker. So I mean, this was fifteen
years ago, and they made him the dime linebacker. They

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played two high safeties, he in essence became the other
Nickel and he would play me two man in the slot.
And he was a Hall of Famer and I was
in my first and second year. That was a bad
matchup for me. I'm saying, put me back in the box.
I want to run routes against linebackers and say, I
don't want to guard a Hall I don't want a
Hall of Fame defensive back who's a corner now at

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this part playing safety, that's not in my best interest.
But teams played us nickel to twelve early in my career,
and the better I got at blocking, and the better
I got at being on the field in all personnel groupings,
more of an advantage I got in the passing game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Think about you in some of these offensive schemes nowadays, Greg,
Oh my god, bro, it's like that.

Speaker 7 (01:19:07):
That's nowadays. I'm like, oh, and you're.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Seeing how much offenses have grown schematically, the thought process
utilizing the personnel, Like that's why That's why George Kittle
is such a beast, because he's somebody who again who
can be a true why. He can block, he can
receive versus like a Travis Kelcey to where you'll have
that extra tight end in there. Maybe they give some
disguise and you kind of got some freaks around him

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on the outside so where you can still be in
the gun at times. You know, he's more of a
pass savvy tight end. But like yourself, Greg like Kittle, Gronk.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Yeah, Gronk was a big one that changed a whole
lot of things because you have no idea how to
set up against.

Speaker 10 (01:19:46):
It's a great you guys got me taking my jacket off.
You guys got yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
It is so interesting to see, like the thought process
of defensive coordinators. Are you playing against the personnel? You
play against tendencies, and it's something that as an offensive
lineman you don't really think about. You was say, okay,
we're in twelve thirteen personnel, they're going to bring base
out here, and now it's like that's no longer what
it case. And that's when I was playing, That's how
it always was, like, Hey, we're gonna put bigger bodies
in the field because we had a Delaney Walker who

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was kind of that wide tight end that could he
could run block a little bit, but also he was
one of our best pass casts. And you just you
start to learn the game of chess that has to
take place weekend and week out, and then hearing about, hey,
how's my offense, because that's going to change dramatically. How
I call this defense. It's it's it's Awesomeoba is in
a great place.

Speaker 10 (01:20:33):
The guys are just more versatile now, Taylor than they were.
You know, even when we were playing five. You know,
I'm out five years so eight years ago, ten years ago, Like,
guys are more versatile, right. There's receivers now that are
legitimate threats in the run game, blocking edges, adding gaps
to the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Defense in the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 10 (01:20:52):
Puka Naku When did we ever what was the when
we used to run run game, especially even Nickel twelve,
It didn't matter what it was Nickel run. The receivers
were out on the numbers playing Patty Cake with the corner.
Every once in a while, if it was quarters and
it was Bob Sanders or it was a dude at safety,
we would crack replace and we would go and the
receiver would go dig out that force player. That was
the extent of receiver run game responsibility in a lot

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of these offenses now, especially the real tight, condensed formations
of the floor tree, I mean the McVeigh and Shanahan
type tree. You can't play in those offenses as a receiver, yeah,
if you don't block. So it's just a completely different
mindset now. And you know, we could say the same
thing about running backs, right, like the McCaffrey's of the world,
Like McCaffrey's McCaffrey because of what he can do in

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the passing game, he's a receiver. He is so uniquely
talented compared to other running backs. That's why his value
is so much higher.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Yeah, It's like I would sit there in defensive meetings
when they'd be going over if like say, I would
be the guy out going Nickel against like twelve, and
I would just be sitting there thinking in my head,
why wouldn't all offenses just if we're gonna run Nickel?
This if I'm the OC and I kind of see
that we're running Nickel, knowing how they're trying to coach
this nickel right on. Hey, Mike's gonna make the close call.

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Let's say left. You just go line up on the right,
find the open bubble that'll be your gap. I'm thinking,
in my head, if OC's just understood this conversation being had,
why wouldn't they just live in this personnel, keep us
in nickel and force this this defensive back to play
in the run game enough so to where now he's
all fucked up because he's trying to commit to the
run game so much, and now you crack him over

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the top with a play action pass, and now seeing
it happen, it's just it's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
You're ahead of your tongue.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
I'm like, sitting there, I'm just thinking in my head,
if you're just if that OC was just sitting in
this meeting room and knew this is how we were
kind of trying to adjust, Like, hey, they're gonna be
in twelve personnel, but they're kind of gonna show us
more eleven looks than anything else. We're just gonna stay
in nickel and and if they do line up at
ace or put two tight ends in, hey buddy, here's
where you're gonna kind of fit it's gonna be unlikely,

(01:22:58):
but if it does happen, just take care of this
b gap on the backside for us.

Speaker 7 (01:23:02):
And so, how many.

Speaker 10 (01:23:03):
Teams over the years when they brought two tight ends,
Let's be honest, how many teams could bring two tight
ends in twelve and be equally good in the passing
game both guys, not just the f both guys be
equally good in the passing game, and both guys equally
good in the run game.

Speaker 7 (01:23:19):
How many offenses in the last ten years have been
able to do that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Do you have the answer?

Speaker 7 (01:23:26):
It's not very many. It's less than a handful.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
Yeah, yeah, But now it's trending to where your car changing.

Speaker 7 (01:23:35):
That's what I think.

Speaker 10 (01:23:36):
My point is, it's a lot more relevant today than
it was earlier in my career, where there was that's
the blocker, that's the receiver, and we're going to treat
them as such, even though if they're both in the game.
I don't care if we call them tight ends hvacs.
That guy could be a right tackle. He is zero
fret to do anything in the passing game outside of.

Speaker 7 (01:23:57):
A spot route or as sticky.

Speaker 10 (01:23:59):
That guy, he he's not digging out a sea gap
power player. He's not cutting off the backside zone. He
is a f wide receiver. That was the game when
I came into the league fifteen years ago. That has
really been muddy. The lines have been blurred between the
ability to do multiple things, not just that tight end
running back wide receiver line like it's it's a lot

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more positionless in today's NFL on both sides of the
ball than it was when I came in the league
fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:24:33):
How many two hundred and seventy pounds three four linebackers
play in the league anymore? Levon Kirkland and zero Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
It's like you see you see guys every now and then.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
It's like Nick Bolton, Like that's somebody who was thick
and will knock your dick in the dirt.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
But he can also run, yes, because he's there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Yeah, you think he weighs to forty maybe to forty five.

Speaker 10 (01:24:56):
But when we can do the league, he's a six
line especially if you were a three like all those
Ampsy North teams, you know, the Steelers and the Ravens.
I mean, when I first came in the league, three
four base linebackers were two hundred and sixty pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:25:12):
Those guards in three four were three fifty yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:25:16):
Yeah, And then they would they would walk off the
field and you would go nickel and they would the trap.
The lines being blurred between you're a three technique, you a.

Speaker 7 (01:25:28):
Nose, Sure, you're a mic or a will I.

Speaker 10 (01:25:31):
Don't know you all kind of everyone kind of looks
the same body type wise.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
Oh, here's how we're going to defend this wide zone scheme.
Now it's coming into rights.

Speaker 7 (01:25:40):
Like, which I think is super fun to talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
I had Terrence knighton in front of me one year,
is on like the back breatings career, and he was
they called him pot ROAs like he was massive, like
three fifty three sixty. You just will if there's a
if there's a YU tied in, it's like you're having
to gas him and just get him going to the
side of where you're assuming the wide zone is going
to be, just to get them running.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Dude. My rookie year, we were playing the Bengals and
they just most recently played the Ravens, and I saw
Ray Monteluga on a pin Polls game take a tackle
out like declete him and it's like you don't really
see that anymore. Those types of linebackers that are just
like cowboy collar esque type guys, the ray Lewis Is
that are just murdering people. Guess yourself why, because the

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evolution of the tight end, it seems like, right.

Speaker 10 (01:26:30):
Ray Lewis, probably ray Lewis is probably not the example,
even though he was that big type body. But the
reason those guys can't play anymore is because they're not
three down players, and their weaknesses, as physical as they
are and as stout as they are in the run game,
their liabilities in coverage, their liabilities to match man and
if you're forced to only play zones, can they tackle

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in space? Can they cover? Like the liability in coverage
is not worth the advantage gained by their stout and
physicality in the run game, because defenses realize, this guy
might be great stopping the run, but if he's an
absolute liability in the passing.

Speaker 7 (01:27:06):
Game, he can't be on the field. Yeah, he is
going to be.

Speaker 10 (01:27:10):
He's going to be attacked, he's going to be isolated,
and we are gonna die a lot faster death this
guy being exploited in the run game. In the passing game,
then him on first and second down being really good
against will lead ISO Like yeah, it just doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
And those superstars they don't really walk around. It's like
you got it all.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
I mean, there are there are good backers who can
play all three downs, but at a superstar level, like
a keek Ley and Fred Warner.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Like they're those.

Speaker 10 (01:27:36):
Guys that you get him, you paying thirty million, and
you don't let him walk out the door.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:27:40):
Yeah, there's always exceptions to all of these rules, right,
Like that's why those guys are the elite of the elite.
But every other team is trying to figure out Most
teams are trying to figure out how to be good
in all these areas without just having the best player
on the field. If you have the best player on
the field, it makes coaching a lot of these intricacies
a lot simpler.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Yeah, you got to assume too.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
These are how a lot of these staff meetings probably
go when trying to game plan.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Yeah, what bodies are we going to be putting out there?
This was fun?

Speaker 7 (01:28:09):
Great, It all goes hand in hand.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
It all goes hand in hand.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
What are we going to see I formation again?

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
Twenty two personnel saw you saw something you saw, so yeah,
you're seeing it again like yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Like Downhill isotype stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
Yesterday Joe Brady, they were they were gashing him with
some rap leads in twelve like twenty two personnel, like
some good old fashioned rap leads that were gashing them spags.
They adjust to it in the second half, but again
it's like you're just seeing some of these old like
some of the traditional sets just coming back. Whether or
not they should run game and everything else, but it's

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been fun.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
It's been fun.

Speaker 10 (01:28:42):
I think teams should do it more. Now does everybody
have a full back? That's a different conversation. It's kind
of a lost art. But like, I think teams should
run more two back. I think it really works well
under center play action. I think it really does a
stressful job on the defense changing gaps. And now we're
splitting apps with a lead blocker, right, so now that
that that b gap.

Speaker 7 (01:29:03):
Will insert play that everyone ran for him.

Speaker 10 (01:29:05):
It was like the first install any of us ever learned, right,
was ie formation to the weak side, and the full
back and the will linebacker just smashed into each other.

Speaker 7 (01:29:13):
Yeah, well, the part.

Speaker 10 (01:29:15):
We never learned back in the day that now defenses
are realizing is well, all of a sudden, that B
gap became two gaps, So now you need to have
two players, someone on the outside of the blocker inside.
It's hard teams. These kids don't grow up fitting full
back ISO anymore. They don't they don't do two back
power anymore. Like, these guys are not used to defending
these plays. So if you are good at that element,

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it can be a very effective kind of wrinkle that
defenses are not accustomed to defending.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Yeah, yeah, before before we get you out of here. Yeah,
Ravens destroy the Dolphins. The Dolphins fire their GM Chris Greer,
but they don't fire McDaniels. How do we feel about that?

Speaker 10 (01:30:00):
So I'll be I want to be very clear. I
never call for anyone to get fired. I think they're
in a society where I've been cut, I've been released,
I've been traded. I've been on teams where my position
coach got fired and I had to sit in his
office and like literally sit there and be like, dude,
I failed you, like my tight end coach, you got
fired like that was because of me or offensive coordinator

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head coach.

Speaker 7 (01:30:23):
I've been on a team with the head coaches.

Speaker 10 (01:30:25):
So I've experienced all that, so I never I think
we're in a society where fans really disconnect, Like these
are human beings with jobs and families and they're losing
their livelihood and they got to uproot and go somewhere else.
I get why, because the environment and the competitive spirit.
So I just want to preface it by saying I
don't ever root for anyone to get fired.

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
Yeah, I was shocked.

Speaker 10 (01:30:47):
That if a change was made, it was going to
be in the front office. Like watching that game. I
don't know if at any point now are they the
most talented roster. No, but did I watch that game
and be like, and if the GM did a better job,
they wouldn't have wasted that time out, or the GM
did a better job, they wouldn't have gotten that illegal formation,
or like all the little details that kind of fell

(01:31:09):
apart for Miami, especially early in that game when they
were still competitive and they were in it.

Speaker 7 (01:31:16):
I don't to.

Speaker 10 (01:31:17):
Wake up the next day and see change was made.
Maybe wasn't surprising. I'm not saying I would have fired Mike,
but I don't know. That just felt that felt personal,
That felt like it had been brewing, and there was
personal animosity between ownership again I'm speculating right, and front office,
and like the owner just felt like, we have to

(01:31:40):
do something. We're in bed with this coach. He's our
offensive play caller. We don't want to replace the OC
and head coach, which ultimately you would be doing. But
our fans are also not going to wake up this
morning and just say status quo is acceptable. So it
kind of felt like that to me. But that was
a tough That was tough ball to watch that. There

(01:32:00):
was a lot going on in that game.

Speaker 7 (01:32:02):
That's just bat ball.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
They were in fourth and goal once and I think
they went maybe an empty and throw a fade ball.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
To the It was, Yeah, it was horrendous to watch.

Speaker 10 (01:32:16):
They want to throw a first down jump ball to
Justin Jefferson, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Yeah, yeah. I mean the reason why I even brought
that question, the reason why I even bring that question up,
was that Steven A. Smith the next day, he's going
on a tangent. I think he was making like a
racial thing about everything going down there. I'm not going
down that road. I'm looking at from a longer playstandpoint,
where you know, Mike McDaniels at the end of the year,
when it's the Black Friday or the Black Monday, whenever

(01:32:42):
they start getting rid of head coaches, I think his
name ends up getting called and cut where the Dolphins
need a new head coach. The the thing that I
think makes us a good mover where I can look
at it and be Okay, I can see why they
did that, was you look at teams like the Titans
or other franchises that have had like this up and down,
where you hire a head coach, then you get a

(01:33:02):
general manager. Those two don't necessarily get along, so when
you fire the head coach and then and then it's
kind of back and forth, you're losing one gaining behind
the always. So maybe in this way, like you know
who your general manager is going to be in the future,
you figure that out to where you know who his
guy is going to be, so it's gonna be one
smooth transition when he gets the new year, the new
year of the new season, and you have a GM

(01:33:24):
a head coach that are aligned with the ownership. That's
the only place I can look at and be like,
all right, maybe this is a good chess move for
the Dolphins. Am I making any sense in that?

Speaker 4 (01:33:32):
Yeah, you're saying get rid of If you get rid
of the GM, now you're on the lookout. You're trying
to figure out your GM.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
You're gonna find out your GM guy who's essentially gonna
find your head coach, is going to be as well
because you go get you fire the head coach and
the GM's there. Well, obviously they're not happy with the GM.
He gets rid of the whole entire secondary from last year.
Their secondary is not great, Like, they haven't done a
good job of establishing a competitive roster, so he's gonna
be gone as well. You might as well get the
top piece first before you insert this head coach piece.

(01:34:00):
So everyone's kind of a line top to bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Does that make sense? Yeah? I can buy that.

Speaker 10 (01:34:03):
I think there's an order of operations. Yeah, that is
part of this whole entire picture, right, and then you
factor in how many teams that we've seen do the
alternating front office head coach draft a quarterback, then fire
the coach draft like and that song and dance just
ends up you end up chasing your tail. There is
an order of operations that makes sense to all of us.

(01:34:24):
It doesn't feel like that's the order that most teams
end up operating in. I'd also add to that, like
when was the last time, I mean, I guess when
the Panthers fired they fired a rule and promoted Wilkes.
I would argue that they got better. But traditionally speaking,
what team that's so bad that they fire their coach

(01:34:47):
during the season promotes an interim and things get better?
Like let's look at this year, like, are the Titans better?
I mean, you follow them obviously, Taylor, Like, have things
gotten better because they fired their coach? And we five
last year with the Jets when they fired Salah, did
things get better? I mean, like, generally speaking, firing your

(01:35:10):
head coach might feel good. It might just stop having
that question asked in the in the press conferences and
articles stopped being written. But as far as actually affecting
the outcome and the competency of your football, there might
be a couple outliers where interim coaches have actually improved it.
Wilkes is the first one that comes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
To the wind. In Carolina, Basacia years ago went out.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
I mean, Mike Malarkey when he was the internet coach.
We won one more game, win nine and seven the
next year.

Speaker 10 (01:35:41):
Yea, yeah, yeah, so there's a couple of outliers. Traditionally speaking,
it just continues to unfold, right, It just are usually
bad for a reason. You're usually getting fired for a
reason every now and then. Can a message connect better?

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Sure?

Speaker 10 (01:35:58):
When we fired Ron Rivera with I don't know, three games,
two or three games left in our twenty nineteen season,
it got exponentially worse. Like I don't know, I just
I'm not a big fan of just like doing shit
for the sake of doing it if it's not going
to have it, if there's not someone on that staff
that you go, oh, man, let's make this guy the

(01:36:20):
head coach, and I want to see what turns around.
If that guy's not potentially your full time head coach
going forward, there's no reason to make them the interim
for the next seven games and just delay the inevitable.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
Yeah right right. A head coach with three games left
is just insane, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
To you, Antonio.

Speaker 7 (01:36:40):
It was either maybe it was three or it might
have been four games, three or four games.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
You get past that week eight mark and there's not
a guy that you're ently saying, hey, let's see what
this dude's resume is as an interim head coach on
your in staff. There there is no reason.

Speaker 10 (01:36:53):
Yeah, yeah, I guess it isn't like a tryout kind
of a thing. If you feel like there's the person
on your staff and I guess that's that's that's probably fair.
There's also this fake reality of like getting a head start.
I don't buy that, Like I don't think of today's
day and age head coaches are like, well, I don't
really want to go to the Tennessee Titans, just for example,

(01:37:15):
Like you know, I don't want to go to Tennessee,
but they fired their coach so they could contact me earlier,
So I'm just going to take that job instead of
waiting to see. I don't think that's how the system works.
I think good coaches get hired. Whether you fire your
coach in week five or you fire your coach in
the second round of the playoffs.

Speaker 7 (01:37:32):
I think I don't know. I don't know. I just
think a lot of that is overblown.

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
Yeah, I agree with that. I'm solid. Greg, you are
the man, bro. Do you have any more for him?

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
No? I appreciate you, great theys, taking time, great ball.

Speaker 7 (01:37:43):
What coach is jumping on today.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Who we got to that we have?

Speaker 7 (01:37:47):
Last week we had Elco jump in.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
Yeah, how cool was that? Heyl with Elcho? It was great, dude,
seeing you guys talk about a couple of Jersey boys
just hanging out for a little bit. That was awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Yeah, we got to Tony V's coming on the bus.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Nude manager for the San Francisco Giants got I.

Speaker 7 (01:38:04):
Viewed him on my pod a couple of weeks.

Speaker 10 (01:38:06):
Uh we a couple of weeks ago, like literally two
weeks before he took that job.

Speaker 7 (01:38:10):
I interviewed him. He's the man, bro, He's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
He is awesome. But he's coming on the bus to
join us. I don't know if we have any head
coaches tuned in.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Yeah no, no, not this week.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
Just you.

Speaker 10 (01:38:19):
Well, you guys were the best man. I always love
coming on and talking ball with you guys. Appreciate you
all right, Greg, thank you.

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Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
By the way, Steelers beating the Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
Yeah, I mean one hundred and seventy nine million dollars defense.
You know what the biggest thing was they got after
the fucking quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
You watch all the film the Steels, it seemed like
all that money up front high Smith, what who's the
Who's the d tackle? Cameron Hayward, Like they weren't really
getting the quarterback at all. But this game, for whatever reason,
I guess an off it's the line who give up
the second most sacks in the NFL. They were getting
after Daniel Jones' ass and that was the biggest difference

(01:41:22):
maker to me when watching that film.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Yeah, who's last named Peyton? Forty one?

Speaker 9 (01:41:28):
Peyton's NC State. He's a linebacker that we got late
in the draft because he has no MCLs and his knees.
Best linebacker in that class, dude, he's he can run,
he can run combined dog like.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, all white team.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Yeah, they might be out there, but yeah, I thought
that was a massive win for Pittsburgh. Tough two for
the Coat, I want to say Danny dines through three picks.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
Three picks to fumbles. Yeah, tough day at.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
The John Us either. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
Yeah. It makes it AFC, the AFC North. It makes
it way more interesting now because the Ravens are gonna
continue to think they're gonna continue to win. They continue
to do the thing. I think they'll beat the Vikings
this weekend. But the Steelers, it's like, do we fall
back in love with the idea of them winning the
AFC North.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
It'll be I mean it'll be close because they're what
two games apart, two games.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
Apart right now, and they played December seventh. Is the
next time those two teams see each other?

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Yeah, yea.

Speaker 9 (01:42:27):
We are in a spiral of of Jacoby Meyers rumors
for all of Pittsburgh right now, like we're begging for
another receiver. And that's every chat board right now. I
thought we looked okay, I thought we looked good. Knew
we're going to beat the Colts. But like Pittsburgh is.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
You knew you were going to beat the colt.

Speaker 9 (01:42:42):
The No, no, no, those are the games we win. We're
gonna lose to the Browns, We're probably gonna beat the
Bengals and split. We'll lose to the Ravens. We'll lose
to bad teams. We beat good teams. That's what Tomlin does.
He brings us back every single year, brings us back in.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Have you ever been on the the stance of tom
and needs to go h oh close to me?

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Believe so?

Speaker 9 (01:43:01):
But I've never said those words Tomlin is We're never
going to find another guy that's just better than him.
Would I eventually root for him on another team? Yes,
I would root for Tomlin to coach a different team
if that happened. I have never asked for Tomlin to not.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Be my head coach.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
Buddy. Yeah, you don't want to lose him.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
You don't Another team I just don't want to quit
on is the Texans.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
I know you don't and honestly, like doesn't get hurt
in that game, like Texas probably will walk away with
that game.

Speaker 6 (01:43:29):
The Broncos are winning games like the Chiefs did last year.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Yeah, I know, and when did you get in?

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
Their defense is so fucking good?

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Were you guys tuned into that game?

Speaker 6 (01:43:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
So do you see when what's his name is it?

Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
R J Harvey?

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
R J Harvey scored out.

Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
Of the backfield to catch that and on that linebacker
from Alabama on the Texans tote athletic linebacker. But again, hey,
no bam call. Running back comes out of the backfield
and sets them up on an option, right, so your
thinking he's gonna break in or out. He takes off
behind him easy, touchdown easy, and everybody's like, I'm sure

(01:44:05):
everybody's screaming to Oto whatever he can't cover, get him up.
That is such a hard fucking route to cover. If
you that's why you gotta use.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
That bam call.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Gotta use it.

Speaker 7 (01:44:16):
Got to be a hero.

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
Sean Payton offense, Drew Brees bam stay before him.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Can I answer you? U's a question. I know we're
gonna be sitting this bus.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
I'll take one.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Yes, Yes, coffee is anybody Coffee's one? Two?

Speaker 7 (01:44:28):
I'm good?

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Three? God bless it's November. Yeah, so what are we doing?
Spootoba's over? How great was Spootoo? We'll get to that
in the recap.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
We'll get to that, get to that bus and get
to that bus. Yeah tomorrow, I'm doing Hey. And while
you're talking about that, Jay, anything else on NFL before
we get back to college.

Speaker 6 (01:44:49):
Did y'all hit on the Bengals?

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
Did not hit on Bengals? Bears got to I wasn't.
I didn't get to watch. I got to sew. I
got to see the clips after and seeing Jamar Chase
just needed one, like everybody just kind of going in
on that defense, like if you get any type of
life on defense, like you win that game.

Speaker 6 (01:45:07):
You should have been watching because t Higgins decided to
have the best game.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
I saw that he's on the Yeah, he's on the
fantasy team. I saw you was sitting around like six
to eight points before.

Speaker 6 (01:45:17):
That went off.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
Bro to touchdowns that you'll get the fuck off me
catch Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
The Bengals are the first team ever to score thirty
eight points in back to back weeks and still lose
both games. We were talking about this, Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
That has to just I mean, you saw it on
everybody's face, but just the morale death that just happens
when it's like the defense just one possession.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
We were talking about this in our pre pro meeting
conversation to be had about Joe Flacco in the MVP conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
Per Mitch per Mitch, Yeah, I mean, hey, if you
if we didn't make an envy like a senior m VP,
if we get like the top five NFL players, will
be like, this is our guy this year. That needs
to be a thing because Joe Flacco was doing things.
Because what was thet be better than Brady at this age?

Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
What was the stat that was just said thirty first
team to score over thirty eight two weeks in a
row and they lose, Like, if you're gonna be the
mv Like, even if we hypothetically play this game of
Joe Flacco be in the m v P, like the
Bengals would still be turned around and coming back in
like winning games.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
But I wouldn't say, like, Bro, they won the game.
They're putting up exactly, They're putting up thirty eight points,
Like you would like to think scoring thirty eight points,
you're gonna win every game, every game.

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
Joe b didn't win the m v P last year,
and that was the entire story of the season, just
he doesn't have a defense.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
If he had a defense he'd be walking.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Yeah, And honestly, I think there's an argument. I think
Joey b should have won it, like his numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Who's been on the team the entire time, like he
was also on the Browns.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Listen, at the end of the day, we're talking about
Joe Flacco winning the MVP, which I know is not
the case.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
It's a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
It's a conversation. I do think Joe Burrow should have
won the MVP last year because it's like who's the
most like the most valuable player, and Joe Burrow, after
going what three and five or whatever their record was,
like ends up being like one or two games away
from getting into the playoffs. Like without Joe Burrow, that
doesn't happen. Joe Flacco, buddy, he is incredible. To where

(01:47:18):
we put so much on the Cowboys defense, it's like
it's kind of muzzled and we've kind of forgot about
the Bengals defense. The Bengals defense, there needs to be
an indictment in all of them. Every single guy out
there needs to be questioned. Well, the difference is the
Bengals being the AFC North. Everybody's talking about the Ravens comeback.
Steelers kind of have the division right now at the moment.
And then with the with the Cowboys. Like the Cowboys,

(01:47:42):
they're still in conversations of the division. They're not everybody
is everybody else convinced? I guess we can be convinced
of the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
The Eagles.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
The Eagles are of all the of all the divisions,
the Eagles are the most clearly going to win their
division most clearly. The Commanders just lost it. Commanders just
lost bad and their quarterback when they was thirty eight
to seven and he's still in the game with seven
minutes left. The Cowboys defense is horrendous. And if they

(01:48:13):
play all their games at home, yeah, I could see
the Cowboys making it to the playoffs. They score forty
two points a game when they're at home. And then
there's the Giants Science who just lost camp and it's like, yeah, yeah,
Jackson Dart who put up twenty four points last game.
But it's it's the forty nine Ers who have all
their first team out, who are literally down the most
people in all of the NFL that that division is

(01:48:33):
it's over. And I feel very comfortable saying that that
division is done.

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
Weeks ago, you were buying the Cowboys. You're like this team, right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
And they broke my fucking heart. Will? All right, I
sat there, I did the whole girlfriend thing. We dated,
I fell in love. I said I love you first.
You know what they said back to me, thank you.
Turns out they were cheating on me with a hotter guy.
Like that is the feeling I have for the Cowboys
right now. Your offense is a championship caliber offense at home,
you're a different team when you're away. And your defense,
regardless if your home, we're away, you're bad. That's how

(01:49:06):
it is. That's point blank.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
I just don't think it's Philly's like the most clear
cut division winner.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
I like, it's like I did just say that, pulled
the divisions. Pull the divisions.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
You got the Bucks and it's Falcons Panthers that are
behind them.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
Colts have the game they do. It's like the Jags
and Hugh like, Will is not willing to go rom
the Texans so that that you throw them out the window.
AFC West obviously is not just the Broncos are running
with it. Uh, the North, that's it. That's gonna be
a shit show. The Bengals should be in that conversation
these last two games, but their defense sucks so bad.

(01:49:39):
The East, it's Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
And Bills all right now.

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
NFC East Eagles clearly okay, go down. NFC North, we
have no idea who's gonna win that division.

Speaker 8 (01:49:50):
And breaking news confirmed test reports Tucker Kraft torn Aco. Oh,
very sad news for the boy and he was on
pace for a really history.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Yeah, people were saying best tight in the NFL. Yeah,
that is heartbreaking. Should we have a moment of silence
for dark Craft? Hats off.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
Beer Olympics alumni. We love you Tucker, We.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
Love you, Tucker Dog. That is heartbreaking, heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
NFC West is up in the air. But look at
the NFC South.

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
NFC South, Yeah that that's a great argument, is the
NFC South. Yeah, that's a great that's a that's going
But it's like the Bucks are, that the Panthers are
weirdly sneaky, that the Falcons are like the most inconsistent
team in all of the NFL. But like you could
see some shit going down, especially with Tampa Bay being
as injured as they are, they might drop a couple
and might get weird in December. That's the argument there.

(01:50:44):
I do think the Bucks walk away with that division
NFC NFC West, we don't even need to have a conversation.
That's a that's a three way race right now, is
that it? It's like, if you're looking at all of
these divisions, we can all sit here in confee be
like the Eagles are going to win the NFC East.
That is I'm going I'm willing to put responsibly my
mortgage on it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:04):
Responsible Where the Cowboys just rain hell tonight next week,
You're gonna be like the cowboy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
No, I can't do that again. And if I do
do that, that's when your boys, when you're always in
a TALKX relationship, like you got to sit them down
and you guys say, be like Taylor, listen, you did
this two weeks ago, don't do this again. And Derek, honestly,
I'm looking at you, gotta be the guy to get
me on that one pinky promise done because I am
a cat, I'm a hopeless romantic. I will fall for

(01:51:31):
that traff again. You see me with the Steelers.

Speaker 9 (01:51:33):
I'm in the same relationship right now, but I don't
want anyone to tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
To get away from the relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
I know what I'm doing.

Speaker 9 (01:51:38):
I'll sign up for it, but I'll protect you from
what you're about to get into.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
I can respect that. And Mitch, I didn't ask you,
but I got you a seasonal bevy. I got it
hot though. Is that okay?

Speaker 7 (01:51:46):
Whatever works?

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Cool?

Speaker 10 (01:51:47):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Also, don't sleep yours whole milk, thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:51:50):
Do not sleep on what it is being called potentially
the biggest game of the season Week seventeen Titan Saints
for the first round of the draft pick.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Yeah, don't say it's.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
What we all want, dude, It's what we all said
on Twitter.

Speaker 8 (01:52:01):
It's either going to be a six to three or
eighty five to eighty seven final score.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
So yeah, we'll see if JP.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
What happened to Rattler? Man, what do you mean he
got bench last year? Benched? Yeah, we talked about this
last week, I know, on the on the bus.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Yeah. Oh but yeah, tell us dude, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:52:23):
I mean, you know, it's it's unfortunate there was the
wrong move, But I hope Spencer Ratler ends up. JJ
McCarthy had an amazing game, but he would be nice
in a Minnesota in the backup role if he comes
in that's somebody that coached coach McConnell could have dialed,
because yeah, I mean the Saints will see the Saints

(01:52:44):
probably won't win another game. Like, I don't know if
y'all watch their game at all this week.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
First of rams, I had it on for until it
was twenty seven.

Speaker 6 (01:52:53):
I was like it was horrible. Yeah, Like the only
way they moved the ball was some like a roughing
the passer penalty that led to a touchdown and Taysom
hill Hey had their biggest play of the game. It
was a bad it's a bad move by the Saints,
and it's if you you took Schuck in the second round.
You see the way your season is going. The last

(01:53:15):
thing you really want to do, if you do think
he's your future, is get the fan base against him
in this season and because nothing's gonna go good.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
You should have kept Rattler out there. Man, should have kept.

Speaker 6 (01:53:25):
Absolutely because now they like, you can't go back to
him if you're the Saints, right, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
It's a long season. I never know that one win
situation to just keep doing your thing. Man, Like, I
think whatever the Saints want to do, we just kind
of let him do We don't judge anything from here
on out. Titans though, Titans Saints. If it's so clear
that these are the two teams that are gonna fight
for the for the number one draft pick, I feel

(01:53:51):
like there needs to be an executive order that the
winner of that game gets the number one draft pick.

Speaker 6 (01:53:57):
Yeah, Oh that would happen? Would happen?

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
Could it? Who did pull up the Jets schedule real quick?

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
If you don't mind, because I mean, buddy, you put
any they want. I mean, unless they're playing each other,
like justin field.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
I could see them sneaking the Browns, the Dolphins. Yeah,
they got the Dolphins. Who knows about the Jags too? Man,
I just don't know what's going to that huge game,
mad game Saints last two of three they got, they
got a chance to fuck it all up.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Yeah, December, the last three weeks could.

Speaker 6 (01:54:32):
Tell a lot rattler in the last three weeks, go
three and.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
Now that would mess up everything.

Speaker 6 (01:54:40):
He will be a starter in the NFL again. I'll
say that he.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Just guts he has to go to Minnesota. Do we
think JJ's back to dude against the Lions.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Yeah, but it's at the line. It was like yards
like he made the place through for.

Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
Two touchdowns, ran for one, like committed. He like didn't
look long, he didn't look lost. I'll say that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Crying, no raging. Oh he was using that Dan Lanning
love his mentality.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
I mean that throw to ice the game.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
Yes, beautiful on real throat.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
Wonder was it? There was one that Addison Jefferson he
threw it under the dB and like it was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
He had a beautiful ball to in the end zone
to Addison.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
Yeah you come up with Yeah, Addison dropped right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Yeah, he's showing sparks. But it's just like you need.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
Obviously, I can't believe the Vikings beat the Lights at Detroit.
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
May It just makes you question everything because I'm I
still think the Lions are the best team.

Speaker 4 (01:55:42):
Weirdly enough, the Rams and Seattle play, Yes, I mean
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
Yeah, dude, I will. I will be by the Seattle Seahawks.
I will buy that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
J s n is unbelieved. How was he open all
the time.

Speaker 6 (01:55:57):
And pooka bro like I did his game. This was
his first game back from the injury, and I don't
know if y'all saw the pass like his first touchdown
catch oh my, the the ball was a dime, but
the catch was just absurd, like almost double coverage, late
hands right on the front side of the pylon. Like
it looks unfair.

Speaker 5 (01:56:19):
Getting like plus twenty points in Fantasy each on the
same team.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Are nice?

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
Are nice?

Speaker 4 (01:56:26):
Stafford's conversation Sammy d Drake May there's going to be
the three.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Ship. Josh Donald'll still be in it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
Breaks my heart with Daniel will still be in it.
This could be the end of Daniel Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
Kidding, I'm just kidding, but that is a game where
people just throw that. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:56:47):
It's like if if Mahomes or Josh Allen had a
game like that, people would write them off that quickly.
I think Colt's losing like that and Daniel Jones having
three picks, it'll be quick.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
You know. Yeah, you know, I'm ready to say, yeah,
overrated you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
I saw your tweets saying maybe I was right. I
was like, God, damn it. That made me and also
like people, Patrick Mahomes had his worst completion percentage of
his career.

Speaker 2 (01:57:15):
Yeah, and he had the ball, had the ball left.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
That's why you need a good run game.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
Something to keep an eye on.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
Greg. Greg by the way he's talking like we're essentially
having the same argument. Like yeah, Like he's saying, like
the run game is good, but you can't just have
a run game. I'm saying the run game compliments the past,
and that's what helps your pass game to the ball.
You gotta be able to do both. And if you
have a good run game, it's easier to throw the ball.
That's all I'm trying to say out here, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:57:47):
Taylor saying out outside zone left like that boy, Taylor
just talking directly from his own experience of you run
the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
You're able to run if you're able to run left.
You able to run left if you can if you
can run a run, play and have the same exact
action and a play action play dude, and be successful
in the run game. You're going to win a lot.
You're gonna score a lot of points. Yeah, You're gonna
score a lot of points. Yeah, that's all I'm trying
to say.

Speaker 4 (01:58:14):
Uh, any more college football talk a JP. I see
you guys fired the OC.

Speaker 6 (01:58:19):
Mike make some moves something about fire and OC just
breeze life into a fan base. Why not go three
and oh and make a bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
Game why not?

Speaker 6 (01:58:29):
And I mean I would not want to be Texas
A and M We got them this week. Well we
got to buy That's what That's what I'm trying to say.
That's what I'm trying to tell you you. The game
Cocks are going into College Station off of bye Yeah,
with probably co offensive coordinators. Yeah, good luck game planning
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
You know, you bring up the mirror theory of the
locker room. They should have like one of the you know,
the carnivals when you walk into those rooms and there's
mirrors everywhere, there's a bunch of different angles of you.
That's the move in the locker room this week. Correct,
Just all mirrors everywhere. You can't look anywhere without looking back.

Speaker 6 (01:58:59):
At your dude, I saw fire up all the headset.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
The headset.

Speaker 6 (01:59:05):
Yeah, they're like, can somebody tell me who Mike is?

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
Because you guys are close there for a minute.

Speaker 6 (01:59:09):
Yeah, what's Oh yeah, dude, it was oh my gosh.
We we made a stop and we were going to
get the ball back. I think it was fourteen seventeen.
They punt it, muffed the punt. Oh, we hold him.
They're down there at our five. Our defense played incredible.
We hold them punt and it's just like man or Yeah,

(01:59:32):
like I guess they kicked the field goal. We just
do nothing with our drive. We rank in the bottom
like five teams of offense in college football.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
Heartbreaking.

Speaker 6 (01:59:41):
But now he's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:59:42):
So now top five for the last three weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:59:45):
Yeah, top five, top five three weeks. Classic.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
Do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
Do you think you guys are the nail the coffin
for Dabbo?

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:59:53):
No, he'll be there next year for sure. But I
was at that Clemson game and you want to talk
about some fireworks though the offenses were going nuts, and
if you're a Clemson fan, you're sick that we fired
Tchula because that was probably the only hope they had
to be us. But it was, Yeah, that was Dabo
did not fall down the hill. I was. That's one
of the main reasons I went the season's going bad.

(02:00:16):
There's a chance it's the ultimate image of their season.
If Dabo finally trips going down the hill. No injuries,
but you know he likes to run fast down there
and do his thing. And I was so far ahead
I wanted to be sure I was there in case
he did fall.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
Are we talking?

Speaker 4 (02:00:31):
You'd like to see something where it's lighting up to
where he's just in a boot.

Speaker 6 (02:00:36):
Yeah boot would be fine, boot for a week or two. Yeah,
but he could pull off just a roll where you know,
you kind of bounce back up. I know he's a
little bit older now, yeah, but something just to.

Speaker 2 (02:00:46):
Slow him down that run down the hill.

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
I hate that. I absolutely hate that.

Speaker 6 (02:00:52):
I just post the video not really thinking much of it,
and then I after the game, I look and it
has like a million views. Everyone's just hating him.

Speaker 1 (02:00:59):
It's like perfect, Yeah, dude, Dabbo saying I don't know
if I'll get fired.

Speaker 6 (02:01:05):
I mean that was yeah, which if you're Clemson now
you would want to see that because the defense just
completely fumbled. But him saying that in front of the
athletic director is just one of the more arrogant moves
you can make, and not a good.

Speaker 1 (02:01:20):
Move doing his posturing game. But he's an uncharted territory,
is what he is. Like, he's never had this kind
of fire on him before, I know, and he's trying
to figure out what move is the best move, and
he's he's going about it multiple different ways, and he
won't just pick a lane, like pick a lane and
stick with it, because buddy, you're making it look way worse.

Speaker 6 (02:01:37):
Medium was so quiet?

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
Was it really crazy?

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
Do you think the where's the game this year? South Carolina?

Speaker 6 (02:01:42):
Clemson, South Carolina?

Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
Loud, no matter low, no matter what. You guys have
been here before.

Speaker 6 (02:01:48):
We've lost twenty two games in a row before.

Speaker 1 (02:01:52):
Us ship.

Speaker 6 (02:01:53):
Yeah, what are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
You guys?

Speaker 6 (02:01:55):
He lost?

Speaker 1 (02:01:57):
You guys are it's a movie? You guys got I'm
not scared of this. Yeah, got up to your head? Yeah, bro,
that is crazy. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:02:05):
Oregon goes to Iowa this week.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
That's gonna be a spicy game. Dan Lanning not going nowhere,
he says, not going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (02:02:14):
Kirk Farn's talking ship to Lanning.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
Do you hear about that?

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
I heard there's some text from you.

Speaker 1 (02:02:21):
Don't want to wait to the locker room, wait to
the locker room.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
We save that for the locker room talk. Save that
for the locker room talk.

Speaker 1 (02:02:29):
God, I'll tell you what, dude, Justice Hayes having surgery
on his foot kind of breaks my heart.

Speaker 6 (02:02:35):
The other guy bought out though, Jah Jordan.

Speaker 1 (02:02:37):
I mean, one thing's for sure, Mission's gonna run the football,
run the football, play good defense. But I just want
I just need that passing and like I truly believe
in Bryce Underwood. I just there was four or five
plays there where it's a completely different stat line that
I was. I've already said this. I'm doubling down because

(02:02:58):
I'm just thinking about it too much. Is like that
was that should have been the game plan. Let him
throw the ball and buddy, it's just a couple of reads,
a couple of misses.

Speaker 2 (02:03:10):
Twenty six though, and going to Miszoo a big game.
That's a big game. Uh, Georgia Tech loss?

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
Yeah, yes, what is going on?

Speaker 6 (02:03:23):
The ACC just they're just trying to ruin the College
Football playoff.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
That I feel like that's a positive.

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
That's a that's a that's a win for the playoff.

Speaker 2 (02:03:33):
I think that's a win for the We need a
CC team to start losing.

Speaker 5 (02:03:37):
And Tech lost Louisville and Virginia.

Speaker 3 (02:03:41):
One, so Virginia is like top fifteen right now.

Speaker 1 (02:03:44):
Yeah. Bro, you know what, dude, if the ACC kind
of messes around and everyone's kind of got like two
three losses everywhere, could we be looking at a nine
to three Nebraska Cornhusker team in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (02:03:57):
No, listen, I ain't gonna talk to that type of
right now.

Speaker 1 (02:04:01):
Hey, the CEEC fucks around that much. SEC's kind of
beating each other up every single in every place, like
a m is probably gonna make it, Alabama's gonna make it,
Georgia is gonna make it? Who else?

Speaker 5 (02:04:15):
Texas?

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
Texas? Just Big twelve gets the all the best teams
play each other at the end of the year.

Speaker 4 (02:04:25):
Goswell playoff rankings. The first ones come out tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (02:04:31):
And Green.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
It's gonna be interesting. Boys. This next couple of weeks
are gonna be awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:04:38):
It's gonna be awesome. But how depressing is it that
we only have three weeks left?

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Pretty depressing? It is pretty sid.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (02:04:49):
But you know the thing is is like, right after
the season is over, we're all it's transfer portal, It's
we're getting this guy. What's happening? Like that's equally as
fun of a game getting everybody. I'm not thinking, I'm hoping.
I'm not thinking, bro. I truly am just like sitting
there and being like, man, if we just had every day,
I have a court like the yarn and the pictures

(02:05:11):
everything in my room.

Speaker 5 (02:05:12):
Right now, you're asking for players that if you're talking
about Bryce can't throw the football, buddy, what's gonna do?

Speaker 1 (02:05:18):
No, no, no, no, no, no. He can throw the football.
We just need like you need the trial and air
to get out there and develop a guy like he
got in and it was like he's gonna be He's
not gonna be the start at the beginning of the year.
Then this keen kid gets hurt. I don't know exactly
what his injury was. He's thrust into a starting role.
We play very conservative early in the year when I'm thinking, hey,
maybe let this kid rip a little bit, make the mistakes.
He's done a good job of taking care of the

(02:05:39):
football up until this game. But it's like he needs reps. Dude,
He's got the talent, like he's shown it the Washington game.
It was a very good football team by the way
they are ranked. Now, Like, he can throw the football,
but you just need the in game experience. That's like
you got to take advantage of that in the Northwestern game,
in the Maryland game. But those those two teams aren't
teams you can sleep on anyway. Good thing is we

(02:06:01):
can all we have a run game that seems like
no matter what is going to be successful, which is
a great feeling. But we this guy's got to get
reps under his belt. We have a bye week this week.
I feel good about it. I feel because the receiver
stepped up this past game. They were getting open, to
say the least.

Speaker 2 (02:06:15):
He didn't have any tuddies.

Speaker 1 (02:06:17):
No, no, Marshall had three of them.

Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
Yeah, I see all three of them average seven point
four yards on the ground, twenty five carries, one hundred
and eighty five yards. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06:26):
Yeah, but Bryce, I know it is bad. It was
you know line, it's bad.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
Do you know it?

Speaker 1 (02:06:32):
It's like under fifty percent one two weeks in a
row of a bad passing stat line. But I'm dude,
I'm telling you there's things he did in that game.
We were like, he's a learning getting out of the pocket.
There's a little bit of pressure on him, looking down
the field, gaining yards with his legs a couple of times.
There's I'm telling there's four or five throws in that game.

(02:06:54):
If we could just have those back, We're talking about
a completely different Brice Underwood right now. And we have
a bye week, which I'm fires me up. A lot
of injuries, a lot of job openings too. Yeah, but
we're talking about Michigan.

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
A lot of job opening What are you doing right now?
I'm just saying a comment.

Speaker 1 (02:07:13):
Okay, what's your comment mean?

Speaker 2 (02:07:15):
Just a lot of job openings.

Speaker 1 (02:07:17):
It'll be it'll be all of a sudden he wants
to start throwing throwing mud at me.

Speaker 2 (02:07:21):
What mud am I throwing?

Speaker 1 (02:07:23):
I'm talking about Michigan football. And you're going a lot
of job openings out here, like there's like fourteen.

Speaker 2 (02:07:28):
It'll be interesting. It'd be interesting to see what else
comes open.

Speaker 6 (02:07:32):
Lane Kiffin is gonna be cause.

Speaker 4 (02:07:35):
The Lane Kiffin joke happening right now. He's just basically
coaching for everything I'm hearing Lane Kiffin loves it at
this place Auburn, Florida as he came up with Arkansas.

Speaker 6 (02:07:45):
Tennessee, Oklahoma State and LSU.

Speaker 2 (02:07:48):
Would you love Lane Kiffin? Jack, That's what I was saying.

Speaker 8 (02:07:52):
I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that, like the second the
Tennessee game was over. It's always a question, and I'm
sure a lot of Tennessee fans would yeah, accept him
with open arms. But I'm not ready for that conversation
one bit.

Speaker 4 (02:08:04):
Right now, did hypool? Did he still have a tea time?
He still time this week.

Speaker 5 (02:08:10):
That seems like it.

Speaker 2 (02:08:11):
Yeah that's something chefing now, but.

Speaker 4 (02:08:14):
Hey, that was that was that was crazy Hugh Freeze
the whole T time incident.

Speaker 8 (02:08:18):
Twitter Burner Berner Twitter versus truly up there with the
c I.

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
A yeah, yeah, well I can't get over is you
guys are having this conversation and I have just completely
supported Nebraska and we'll just talk about job openings. What's
just support the boys support Michigan.

Speaker 4 (02:08:40):
Yeah, I hope you guys do well in the If
you guys go to the college for we'll playoff onward.
Is that you Is that what you wanted out of
your Nebraska support? No, for me to come fully wanted,
That's what I wanted, my friend. But I'm just talking about,
like I'm talking about the lance to give the college football.

Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
There's a lot of job openings right now. Yeah, unless
you know who your guys going to be, why would
you get rid of a head coach this year?

Speaker 2 (02:09:04):
Bro? What happened the first time the Penn State rumor
came up with coach rule?

Speaker 1 (02:09:10):
Yeah, it was very clear, Like no one's talking about
Michigan losing their head coach.

Speaker 2 (02:09:14):
I'm just saying a lot of job openings, a lot
of job yeah, and what else comes out.

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
In the odds. He was like plus three hundred, and
the next big one was like plus eight hundred. It's like, yeah, hey,
this is a real possibility. You're just you're just muffeting
one out there.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
Well yeah I could be. I could very much be
muffeting one out there. Okay, just a lot of ball left,
a lot of job openings right now.

Speaker 4 (02:09:35):
It'll be interesting to see if any other jobs come open.

Speaker 1 (02:09:39):
This has gotta be the most job openings.

Speaker 2 (02:09:43):
Onward.

Speaker 4 (02:09:45):
Yeah, good, great show, Big hugs, tiny kisses. We will
see you tomorrow, busting with the boys, Tony V.

Speaker 2 (02:09:53):
See you tomorrow.

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