Zac Brown Doesn’t Regret His Past + New 'Love & Fear' Album W/ Dolly Parton & Snoop Dogg | Bussin' - Bussin' With The Boys

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
All right, We're good.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
You like go.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Busting with the boys, hanging with the best betting on
the game.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
No woman's gonna tell us what you do. Not be
over here.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Just drinking beer and making nado Baby, I'm hanging.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
With the Fellers.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
He's busting with the boys. Bro.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Welcome to another another episode of Busting with the boys.
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you doing, brother? Hey, come on now, it's time.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's ready, It's here, It's it is here, and I'm
wearing the merch to show it off right now. Wednesday,
ten am. This merch drops right here. Got a hat,
got this fun shirt? Buddy? Something about getting all your
decorations ready by middle of September, Yeah, and looking at
it and being like, I don't really want to look
just yet because it's not time, but I'm happy it's done.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Because there's so much that goes on in the lull
Wan household about getting ready for the holiday season.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's a marathon that spring.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
This is the Olympics. This is the torch being taken
from one part of a country to another part of
the country, and the torch is being passed and past.
This is the opening ceremony of the holiday season. Because
if you look even if the way, even if you
look at the weather in Nashville eighty eighty two, eighty three,
Spootober and now of a sudden seventies, a couple of

(02:52):
days where the lowser in the fifties. I heard there's
a talk about some fog hitting up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
The pumpkin themeds and drinks coming up. Don't have to
love them, don't have to love.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Them, get one because it's festive, and that's what you
want to do. So for me, if I'm walking around
and I'm feeling myself a little bit, and i see
the leaves are starting to drop, and it's gonna be
a headache for the guys to have to rake those
up in my yard. Like buddy, we're here at from
from this point, twenty four hours from now. If it's
Tuesday and you're sitting there being I'm so fucking fired

(03:22):
up with sprew Tiper. We are too. Wednesday. From Wednesday
to January first, nothing but excitement, nothing but hope and opportunity.
Your team loses. Guess what, pumpkin spice lote, your team wins.
Guess what pumpkin spice Lotte. Get two of them and
then listen the thirty first hits, goules, goblets and specters.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
They go down.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
They're now under six feet below. We'll see you next
to your type situation gobble gob of motherfucker got some
turkeys helming up all right, So from November one to
their third weekend in November, third Thursday, November, what are
you doing getting some lights up? Trying to be a
little bit more respectful to Thanksgiving? Knowing it's there, But
you're putting some lights up. You're and excited and you
have friends, families, loved ones, acquaintances coming over to your

(04:08):
house for what football and gaining weight. After that, you
spend the whole weekend doing what it leftovers? Guys, guess
what diet doesn't count on holidays? That's amazing. You hit
that Monday running. Guess who's holly and jolly? Everybody around?
Doesn't matter what religion you are, because you got a

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guy in the North Pole working his ass off, about
a billion elves up there and eight reindeers get ready
to get the fucking after it. On December twenty fourth. So, boys,
there's so much excitement and it starts on Wednesday. It
gets you going on Wednesday, and that's what's exciting. And
if you want more exciting news, we got a watch
party to watch the O and four Titans take on

(04:49):
the two and two Cardinals this weekend bowl, Brooklyn Bowl,
and we're just getting more excited.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Guess what they suck. We're not good. We're not good. Okay,
got that out of the way. Let's rip the band
aid off. Titans are bad. Cardinals playing a whole lot better.
They got a lot of injuries going on as well.
They just lost theirs in football for the Seahawks. But
we get to get together. Bring a pumpkin, spic slot.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
What do you lean on when they dress up? Why not? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
What do you lean on when the times are bad?
Tell me vibes?

Speaker 3 (05:18):
What can you do?

Speaker 2 (05:20):
You can come to the Brooklyn Bowl and bring some vibes, right,
Bring some of that piss and vinegar that you're feeling.
It's get it out at the Brooklyn Bowl this Sunday
with the boys.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Oh, you live in you live in Nashville and you're
pissed off. There's traffic on Saturdays because Vanderbilt's getting out.
But on Sunday there's no traffic behind because you're Titans. Suck.
Come get vibes, Come get some vibes, Brook and Bowl.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, be in it.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
And guess what, bring me a pumpkin spy slote because
I'll be exhausted because Friday morning, after a Thursday night
stream in ESPN, I'll be flying back from Vegas Friday morning,
seven thirty am flight. We're out of there to the West.
Why because Daddy can't help it.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I got it.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
It's been two months. I gotta get the cards a
little bit, got little got a little power slap going
Lord uf seen five am flight Sunday morning. For what
to get.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Back to the Brook, get back to the vibes.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
The watch party. And I know last time I went
with Jared and everyone's like, is this no Jared's job
or not Jackson, I'm taking them both. I'm taking them both.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Vibes will be high.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
It doesn't make sense, No, it doesn't, but I'm taking
them both. We're gonna have a great time, great time.
And it all starts because of Spooptober.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, yeah, did know. I'm excited for the weekend. Finally
having like a little moment to breathe a little bit.
Wife and I were going to hitting a little staycation,
gonna be getting nap in, gonna be getting some mountain
sessions in. Oh yeah, got somebody watching the kidd Oh
so she's gonna be me and.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
The wife mountain or mountain.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Mountain be doing something maybe both mountain. Get the saddle out, honey,
get the saddle on the bridle out because it's going down.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, mountains, it's gonna be. I got a little spat
day mind up, needed God need it.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
With the back the way it's out right now?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, yeah, what's.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
The game plan with the back? I am worried legitimately
about the back.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I don't know, man, pray when you have nothing, what
do you have?

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Prayer?

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, vibes in prayer.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's just moments. It just I don't know. I don't know,
I truly don't.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I just had a flashback to him screaming before the
dan landing ah, and I'm like, oh, he's about to
drop a hammer on some One's about to happen. It
just Bauzes says, sorry, my back, It's okay, man, you
got a bad.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Back fight there's some spasms this week. I hope it.
He's gotta hope they could calm down.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
You know why Will's got a bad back because he's
got the whole state of Missouri on his back, and
he's got all in the brass of corner scirs fan
based on his back, and he carries that torch weekeet
a week out, month and a month out year and
year out. Eventually your beck's gonna give out a little.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Bit, you say, I as you're as we're saying that
shirm's typing up. Get a ma sus in the office.
I do have somebody coming through this week. She just
gotta find the pocket of time that it's gonna happen
for some stretching and some some work for you or
for the boys, for myself.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
What about a masseuse or a chiropractor during the filming
of the Locker Room.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I could I could hit up doctor Foot see if
he wants to come through. I guess adjust the boys.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, that'd be nice. I could always use a little adjustment.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, everybody can use some adjusting in their life. Man.
Everybody needs some deep tish, some deep tish going on,
just like Lamar Jackson need some deep tish on that hamstring, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Because he's got some soft tish right now.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
There could be a lot of new viewers tuned in
right now, wondering what are the rules of Spootober. Yeah,
I know we will be leaning heavy into Spooptober. This
bus will be decked out with the theme. We're not
quite there yet.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Chomping at the bit. There's hundreds of supplies outside of
this bus right now waiting to flood in, but we
gotta give September it's due. Knowing that, we don't want
to jump the gun a little bit. But if you
want to dive into Spootober, if you love spoot you
love the idea of the holiday season and everything we
just painted for you, here's a good way to start
your thirty one days, a fright right October thing of
the past. It's now referred to as Spooktober. Yes, that's

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number one. Now, this next one is gonna be a
bit of a deal. But if you time it out correctly,
you have a good routine, you're gonna be able to
figure it out every day. Just put something on a
little spooky, okay, and it doesn't have to be a
lot you can go on YouTube and you can find
yourself some fall night sounds as you go to sleep

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and there's literally crackling a fire, couple of coyotes or
wolves in the background who do something like that. If
you want to go full into it, Conjures got a
new movie out Weapons that's a nice one. You can
watch any type of spook you want, whether it's you know,
the B rated movies that Delandy Walker likes, if it's
RADARPG thirteen like The Ring, or go ahead, this's like

(09:50):
Nickelodeon's some Disney Channel original movie hocus Pocus is type
of thing. As long as you are embracing thirty one
days of fright and spooktober every single day, then you're
gonna get everything you need out of it. Third, and
this is for you. It's not for me. This is
for you. Make sure you take a little time each
week to do something festive because it's gonna fly by.

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We're gonna get to January, February, March, where it's like
depression season. Everyone's a little sad the weather, but there's
not a whole lot to look forward to. So make
go go to a pumpkin patch, give yourself that pumpkin
spice slate hit a haunted house on Friday. My wife
and I every Friday in the fall. When the opportunity
presents itself, she might be coming to Vegas with me
as well. We might hit ourselves in a less little
haunted house in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Who knows Halloween activity?

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Halloween activity and what's the last one?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Will buy this Speoctober merch at BWTV dot com.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
That's right, that's per chat GPT.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah I asked it.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
Hey, what are the rules of Spooktober?

Speaker 3 (10:49):
I love that chat GBT man.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
It's a new age that is official. That's legit.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, I didn't even know they did that, but BWTV
dot com. I'm wearing a hat right now, Spootober. I'm
wearing a shirt right now. It's Spootober. We got a
bunch of shirts over there that I did on the
on the football recap for Monday and picked up. I'm
not gonna pick it up this time because it's a
little far. It's a little far from me right now.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
We got some fun march.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
If you're for the Dad's Guy, if you're a pet
six individual, we got some cute, some cute Spootoba stuff,
big pup, little pup.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
We embraced it. We embrace it. On our episode coming Out.
As you're listening to this tomorrow morning, we embrace it
a little bit. We talked about the rules. I popped
on the old Bain mask. Yeah. Ready, final couple couple
couple of Bane lines in there.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
While we're here, Let's check in on will comference hairline.
It's growing back fast, a lot faster than I was hoping.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
It's like a yard in the summer. Boys.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, some patches of brown. Other than that, yeah, pretty
green on the edges.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, it's not bad, coming back strong.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
The beard's coming back. Yeah, you're starting to look normal again.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, might have to chop it back down. What's that
could be the new normal? Let's see the Nebraska.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, Nebraska bes Michigan state. Is it at the Michigan State?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
No, it's at Nebraska.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Oh you get that dub. You might have to bick
it again.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, everything's on the table.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Everything's on the table. Let's get into some tear talk.
You guys have questions, comments, concerns. Use hashtag tear talk.
We put it out every single week. Let's take a
look at Shelby Rice at Shelby s Rice. If you
could live in any TV or movie environment permanently, what
would you choose? That's a fantastic question. I wish I
knew that question before we started the show, because.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm right you can think about it.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Live in any TV or movie environment permanently, what would
you choose?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Permanently?

Speaker 6 (12:39):
Permanently You're you're stuck there, Harry Potter jumps out at me.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
For Taylor, it's a great one. My kids are so
about Harry Potter right now. We are being Harry Potter
for Halloween this year.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
For whatever reason, and I don't know why this popped
in my head, I feel like being in sky High
would be kind of sick.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Sky High? What is sky High?

Speaker 6 (12:59):
Disney Chant original movie sky High?

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Just a high schooler like it's like a superhero all
the high schoolers like.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
It's a fun question.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's a fun question.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Jurassic Park comes to mind.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, nothing like running from prehistoric animals.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
But permanently we're doing that.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Not dying twenty eight days later sounds pretty good to
me too, you know, constantly fearing for your life.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
How about the bad guy? Yeah, free Willie Lion King.
Do I get to be a lion?

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, that's a problem.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
I mean you're just saying these these movies and like
they're real animals, Like you do live in that world.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Right, you live in the world. So if we're doing
willis thing, give me the quiet place, let me go
sit there in silences of my life'll learn sign language
my kids see. Quiet place doesn't sound fun to me,
but Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park sounds fund on an island.
And you're sitting there and you like you're in the environment.
You're in the movie now, and you just know everyone's like, look,
how amazing this is all pretty store all they're all gone,

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but now we have them back and your thing, yourself,
there's gonna be a problem. And I was like, oh, Will,
you're an AIoT, there's no white you're gonna be able
to do this. And then all of a sudden, a
t rex kills your best friend. Me go, I'm there
with you.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
We're in there permanently, meaning we're not gonna die.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I don't think it works like that.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
You said permanently, you're living in this world forever. That
is your new world, your new world.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
It's your new world.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
You can die at any moment, like in this world
strong But I mean, like.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Me, it's a good vibe to live in, a good vibel. Yeah.
I was actually just thinking about Hube Halloween. Yeah, Hub
Halloween be a great ONEI TV show.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
What about Stranger thinks would be great.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Stranger Things would be a vibe. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
I love how we're keeping it spooky in this situation too.
Let me do uh.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
Wednesday show Tim Britton's Wednesday Shows.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Good Well Wednesday from Adam's Family. Have you all been
watching that No Love? That really about Will Always Yeah,
Wills Always On, Haunting and Hill House, those types of shows.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, I wouldn't live in that one permanently live in
that one.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Great show, great show, scary.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
You know what, I've always kind of wanted to live
through a zombie apocalypse, kind of wanted like I've always
wanted to know how would I fare? And hopefully they're
like the walking not like the running kind.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Of zombies, not the I Am Legend zombie.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, them boys are way too intense for me, but
kind of going through the process of like walking dead.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, living in that world.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
About like the zombies from Last of Us.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Those are Scars.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
How about Zombie Land. Got that cast of characters. Let
me get Woody Harrelson, live at the White House for
a little bit, hang out, smoke some cheeks.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
With him, live in the Anchorman world forever. That'd be fun,
be fun, be a fun movie to live in permanently.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Tay, I feel like it's kind of surprising you haven't said,
like Wedding Crashers.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Or I see I love that movie in twenty five
year old tailor loves it. But like I'm also living whatever,
whatever movie or TV show I'm going on, bringing my
wife and kids.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, but like you're best friends.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
With I'm with you. Internship internship. Internship would be fun
working at Google and working at Google for a little bit. Literally,
if you want to know Will and I's life in
an alternate universe, it would probably be the internship. And
it'd be me as Vince Fawn and Willis Owen Wilson,

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who Will kind of like figures it out faster than me,
and I kind of let the team down a little
bit and I got to study overnight to get it done.
But I don't click the button. But then eventually, hey,
we need Taylor for sales, and I handle business.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
And you you have a nice little Harry Potter reference
with the quidditch match.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah. I think at the end of the day we could.
If I could be a wizard, my kids would have
so much more respect for me.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
I feel like that's the only answers that.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Might be the only answer.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Living in a world forever? Maybe how to train your dragon?

Speaker 6 (16:58):
Can die?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
And got a dragon you're riding on?

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, have you seen all the movies?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, so you don't have a dragon forever? Well not forever,
but eventually you're just a Viking.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
You're still in the world.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
True, that possibility is a thing.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Game of Thrones, maybe trying to take over the Seven Kingdoms?

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, but you got the White Walkers.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, but maybe I'm a White Walker.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
That doesn't sound fun.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
Have you started Game of Thrones yet?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I've seen two episodes. There's too many storylines. My brain
couldn't handle it couldn't handle it. Let's go to mister
James at the Mister James eight Friday Night Lights. Not
a football take, but what is better Southern hospitality or
Midwest politeness. It's a great question. That is a question,
A great question. I thought to my wife about this

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the other day, and I told her straight up, I
was like, the older I get, I think, the more
I realized the greatest place to raise a family might
be the Midwest. It might be the Midwest. Something about
just you know, construction and winter are your seasons? Keeping
it simple, kiss method, always homegrown, blue collar. Something beautiful

(18:12):
about that.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, something I grew up in Midwest boy.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Midwest boy. Yeah, I grew up out west.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Didn't know the good people in the Midwest, good people
out there.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Where's the last place you would want to raise your family?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Last place I want to raise my family? La. Yeah,
I was born in Sacramento.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
Sacramento is a great spot.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
New Mexico, New Mexico.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, New Mexico wouldn't be cool if you're geting me
in New Mexican. Miles a good Arizona so much better.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
I meant more so, like regionally to raise my kids,
I would venture to say the Northeast.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
I'd adventure to say the Northwest. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
You know what I'm saying. Northeast. I feel like you're
especially in Jersey.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, But I also think, like think about
Rhode Island. Think about Vermont, think about Delaware, like those
little kind of like small town kind of fun, little
like beach towns you have. You have harsh winners, but
like your summers are beautiful, Nantucket kind of area. It's like, yeah,
a lot of money here, but it's really cool, have

(19:22):
a good time.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
I'm saying, like you think Jersey New York, and like
I have a bunch of friends from Jersey New York.
So I'm not talking about these guys, but like majority
kind of dickheads.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
And I'd rather be Northwest and northeast.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
I also think there's a piece of me that's extremely
curious about living in a major city like New York.
I obviously I'm at the point where I never will,
but every time we fly to New York, I always
walk around like, man, how do they do it? Like
this is so everyone's on top of each other. I'm
sure you get into a little routine, but I'm sure
it could be fun too, you know, ripping around kind

(19:55):
of staying in your little pocket the whole time, venturing
out every once in a while. So something like, oh,
that's really cool. Down your pocket just got a little bit.
Everyone lives like yeah, but all those people man, I'm
with you.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
Talk with the Jared Demon when y'all go to Vegas
about He has a really good take, interesting take on
New York City.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
He lived and worked there.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Jack lived in New York as well.

Speaker 6 (20:15):
Mick Pherson.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, two different people, two different people.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Jared hates it.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, did he takes me somebody who'd hate it? I
think outline more with Jared too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
I think I think it would be really fun for
like a quarter of the year, like go three months, Like, hey,
you're gonna be here for three months. I think that's
enough of a sample size to have fun and realize
there's something at the end, because I know I know
a few people that live in New York that swear
by it, like this is the best. I love it.
I wouldn't. I'll never leave. It's like, good on you,
good on you.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Man.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
I was there for three weeks working on a movie set,
and the just the laundry situation was enough that I
was like, I would never live here. I'd have to
carry a Duffel bag almost two blocks just to do
my laundry.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
And people are like carrying their grocer's home and ship.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Oh yeah, it was rough carrying your grocer's home.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Give me a yard, some space.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, but number one spot. I wouldn't want to raise
my kiss by in La, would not would not out
on La. Sitting out for San Diego. You can sell
me on San Diego?

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Do you even need selling?

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Taxes? Taxes and tossed the living. That's the only thing
really holding me back. Body can't beat it. Incannita's Locadia
so nice. Oh not my real name? Here to see
you will again?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Uh not my real name? Hashtag tear talk, Will Compton
calling you a fucking loser on a livestream. Good your
idols becoming rivals. Good, still buying merchandise to show them
you can't be phased. Good? Love the show guys. How
demoralizing was the news to Nebraska fans that Blake Korm
is expecting a child. Congratulates the Blake Worm joining Papa

(21:58):
Team six under the show. Just accomplish buds training.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, dude, shut up, Blake Man, good kid, good guy.
Seems like he's having himself a nice little he'starting to
figure himself out the rams a little bit, have a
good time splitting carries, but still having success. Love to
see it, Yeah, love to see it Josh Dorsey at
j Underscore Dorsey three. Have you guys thought about taking
your show on the road and doing a live show

(22:25):
with live audience?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Man?

Speaker 3 (22:27):
What a thought? Josh, Hey will for the bust and ball?
Where were we?

Speaker 2 (22:33):
We don't got to pat him on the head.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Where were we?

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Will?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
We were in Linking, Nebraska doing a live.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Show at what what? How many people were there? Hundred
seven one hundred people? So yeah, we found about it, Josh.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, spring tour two years ago. That's what we did
at every stop?

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah, every stop A lot of life. Thank you for
dropping a hashtag to your talk josh U kat at
K Kyle tay Alor says what happens or is talked
about in a player's only meeting hashtag tear talk. I'm
gonna break this down for your real quick budd unless
will you got anything?

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Ah, stinky kind they're kind of weird. Yeah, players only
meetings are kind of weird. I kind of. It kind
of depends on the situation.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Honestly, to me, it's one guy gets up and talks,
and he's a captain, and then there's five other captains
who come up and say the same thing. The first
captain said in their own words, not a whole lot
is thought out other than we got to get our
shit right. And there's never a player's only meeting when
you're undefeated or doing well, and it's like if you're

(23:42):
gonna have those looking back on, it's like, guys, let's
kind of think about what we're gonna say before we
say it. That's all I have.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, I second that. It is how it
feels a lot of the time unless you get them
players only meetings that happens and somebody's just getting violent
with the way that they're delivering the words. That's why
it's kind of like a wait mail call. Like Lendon
Fletcher one time we had up like a player's only meeting,
and he was just getting after everybody, and it was
kind of like I felt like a real a real
player's only meeting. Ones that you would think about are

(24:12):
specially Oh man, they had a player's only meeting. I
wonder what went down there.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
I can't remember which one of y'all said this, but
it was such a fantastic quote. Of every player's meeting,
there's always that one guy that stands up to start talking,
and there's almost just an audible Oh my god, what
is he doing just before he even start.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Telling when you look around, Oh shit about Glen? Hashtag
tier talk from Peyton Underscore PW thirteen Underscore. Could Will
and Taylor do a Dog of the Week segment where
each of them picks a favorite uh, picks a college
hole player from their own position from any team. Would
love to see Will juicing up some linebackers we've never

(24:51):
heard of. That would be fun, but you gotta pay
a lot of money to get the rights to like footage.
It would be college or the NFL. We got a
couple quotes. They are high, they are expensive.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, we can do our New Set of Downs segment. First,
Fresh Set of Downs.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
Which is very similar what he just described.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Right, Basically, Fresh Set of Downs a spotlighting somebody who's
transferred in the transferport wasn't playing well or wasn't getting
enough of work. They're burying their depth chart a little bit.
They ended up getting a quote fresh set of Downs,
going to a new team and have a lot of success.
I think we're gonna do this for the next few weeks.
I actually love the idea and our guy that we're
gonna highlight this week. Is Michigan's own Justice. Hayes two

(25:34):
years at Bama, he played twenty five games. He had
one hundred and four carries for six hundred and sixteen
yards and nine t ds. Decides, hey, that's not enough.
He's splitting carries. Last year, Calen de Bores, first year
comes to Michigan. I'm very excited about it. We get
to learn about him and the way he operates, how
he attacks every single week. He's about sleep, he's about
Biohacking's about what he puts in his body. And it's

(25:54):
shown quite a bit because in four games in Michigan
he's had sixty six carries, three hundred and thirty seven
five hundred and thirty seven yards, six touchdowns. He's got
over one hundred yards in every game and a TD
this year so far. So thank you, Alabama. We'll have
another right look at you there. You got a couple
of studs. Yeah, I was watching Alabama Georgia kind of

(26:15):
whispering over to g F them's I'll take that guy.
I'll take that guy. Like buddy, you never have a
shortage of talent with the Alabama Crimson time. I'm as
lucky this guy's in the amazing blue right now. He
is incredible, And like, I know this guy Marshall. We'vet
Jordan Marshall. We have, We've had him. You know, he's
homegrown Michigan boy. But we got ourselves a nice little
double headed monster over there at the University of Michigan

(26:37):
right now in the running game and they're coming along off.
Its line is getting a whole lot better, which is
awesome to see. So shout out Justice Hayes, fresh set
of downs. Love it for the young man man. That's awesome.
We should do a different segment as well, a.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Shoutout no Free, shoutout, shout out no Free, shout out
to uh Chad Powers, Shad Powers.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
And I'm gonna take a quick I'm gonna clap. I'm
gonna clap again. We're gonna come back on our clothes.
Oh wow, look at that. We've changed clothes already. If
you're listening audio, we are wearing Chad Powers two hundred
T shirts. Will he looked fantastic.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Chad Powers is funny.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, So shout out Hulu, shout out Disney. They were
They have allowed us to see these episodes a little
bit early. We've watched episodes one and two so far,
And if you don't know anything about Chad Powers, here's
basically the backstory of Chad Powers. Eli Manning had a
segment called Eli's Places. He ended up going undercover, a
bunch of makeup on mole in the face, wig walks

(27:32):
into a tryout, Right was it Penn State? My thinking
about Penn State? CUsing to Penn State trial. Obviously the
coaching staff and everybody on the back end knew about it.
He goes in and ends up dicing up with these
other players who are a part of the trial, Like
who the fuck is this guy? Turns out to be
Eli Manning, And in true Manning fashion, like they see
the opportunity, they end up making a show about it.

(27:53):
Where Glenn Powell he is. He is the star of
this show. And I love this segment Eli Manning and
going into it full trance. Fancy going into watching these episodes.
I'm thinking to myself, how the fuck are they going
to be able to go from this guy's a studs,
he's undercover? Now, how does it all work? Seamless transition,
seamless And I can't clump you can tell me. I

(28:15):
can't give away any spoilers.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Correct, we can give away spoilers.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Episodes one and two are streaming now. Okay, episode we
are going to.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Give spoilers away. So if you don't want spoilers, don't.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
If you don't want spoilers, don't listen. The first episode,
man starts with a bang. Right, this Chad Powers. What's
his name in the show? Just to his name is Holiday.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Just it is a good show. I share the same sentiment.
It's kind of like, are they really just gonna try
and like beat a dead horse or force fetus a
Chad Powers show? But it is funny. Yeah, it is funny.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
And it's got like it's got very much like I
don't know if it's Blue Mountain State I'm trying to
look for right now. But there's a certain level of
like adult humor that goes into it. Yeah, that like
Glenn Powell does a great job of like transition. Because
here's what happens. First episode shows this guy Russ Holiday,
you know, arrogant Oregon Ducks quarterback. He's in the National Championship.
He runs on fourth and whatever puts those the ball

(29:11):
down before the goal line. Something we've seen all the
time in the NFL. Now and so it was a score,
but then it wasn't a score. They call it back
and the end up losing the championship game. He ends
up swinging on a cat uh and knocks over a
kid with cancer, and then it fast forwards. The eight
years later is so funny. It is It is hilarious
and fascinating.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
My figure still my favorite player. Yeah, that's like, hey,
can you just take a picture with my kid?

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I don't give a shit about the kid, and it's
like a dude, it's they shown hits him and dad
falls into the kid and they go in like eight
years later, he's like in la, his dad is this
like uh, like a makeup artist, like this worlding out
makeup artist, which really help helps sell the point of
him like transitioning into you know this like fake guy
that ends up going to a different school or whatever.

(29:57):
But he has his XFL contract. Then of a sudden,
there's eight year reunion of the callback of the him
punching guy that falls into a kid with cancer. XFL
pulls his contract and so he gets a wild hair
posass and then up.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
The kid passes. Oh. They announce like he's like he's
getting this deal with the XFL. He's fired up there
listening like all this stuff, like the entertainment is pretty funny.
And they're in this club and then that's like he's
going to the bathroom and he just sees this tweet
put up like kid that you know, uh, what's this.
Russ Holliday is known for Kid passed Away. Kid dies

(30:33):
from cancer and his agent drops him, and so he's
trying to figure out what to do. He's at the
lowest of lows. He's like all of us sitting there
when the game's just over if you like lose a
state title or national chair. He's like sitting in his
room drinking, doing all these things, and he gets his
wild hair. He sees his open tryout for Southern Georgia.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Southern Georgia, Southern Georgia Catfish.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, and he just gets his wild hair to like,
I'm gonna go rejuvenate my career through like you know,
going and walking on at this spot, like wearing makeup
using his dad's like tools, since he's a makeup artist
for all these big Hollywood movies. And he starts like
working out and he gets another funny parties when he's
on his phone with his dad. He's like, Dad, He's like,

(31:14):
I got something kind of big that's coming. They could
be really proud of me. And his dad's like, did
you just quote Armageddon to me? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah yeah, but he says I worked on that movie.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And dude, it's uh. I encourage you
all to watch it. It's a good watch. It's funny.
It's well done, like getting Fouler and Herbstreet in for
calling the game when they play that organ like you're
always like anybody who like loves ball, you're like weirdly uh,
with a critical eye watching how they put together like

(31:47):
plays that's happening, like moments that's happening. They do a
real good job, like you're watching it on TV. But
it's a good watch. It's fun It is funny. Him
trying to like find his voice.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Right, him trying to find his voice, him trying to
tell the story where he's from, ends up being from
West Virginia, Like, hey, we couldn't find a whole lot
of filming. It's like, yeah, it was a wolf mating
season and.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
People were did you ever play in a crowd? It
depends depends on what he's like. Wolves. Wolves they come
and get your babes.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, people just would show up or not based on
wolves just hilarious. And him going in and out of
being Russ Holliday and Chad Powers is just fucking hilarious. Also,
the thing I love too is this head coach for
the Georgia State Catfish. He is. You can see a
great story art coming with him. Yeah, the daughter of

(32:34):
the head coach. There's a great story. I'm assuming it's
gonna be a love interest with Russ Holiday eventually. Yeah,
but it's just like the show's good and you know,
like we both said it, no idea what to think,
but it is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
And again say it's Russ what Russ Holliday. He's like
this a douchebag, got this arrogance to him. You'll see it.
And he like comes across this this mascot. The mascot
ends up spraying with Mace because he thinks he's like
a school shooter dress in his get up. They meet
in this mascot is trying to like he's kind of
his like mentor in this hero's journey of trying to

(33:09):
get him like, hey, leave the Russ Holiday douchebaggery aside.
You have to create this new character if you're really
going to sell yourself and be a leader of this team.
So Chad Powers is really trying to battle with being
a douchebag, being this arrogant asshole because he he's not
like the starting quarterback, which is like a reality check
for him, and uh, dude, it's it's good man. The
backup quarterback is like my favorite he's my favorite character

(33:31):
right now.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah, he's funny.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Man.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
He's like what I got here an hour or two
before he gets some sprints in punishment.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
I love how the scene where he's walking with Chad
Powers and he's like, hey, give us a minute. He's
like yes, sir, and this turns around sprints the other way,
and then the coach is like walking off the field
and the quarterback starts running and I was like, oh,
what the fuck gets all scared of him?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
And with the makeup and the mask and the rubber
and everything else, there's like moments with him like doctoring
up towards like you know, there's the fly on the
and he's like, dude's like you gotta fly in your face.
And it's like crawling around but also growing yeah, but
since he's like, you know, since he's trying to immerse himself,
like as a teammate, you can't get the mask and
anything and everything wet. So like post practice when they're

(34:14):
all showering and he's kind of sitting there and coaches
asking why he's not getting the showers, She's like, oh,
you know, my p holes to baby, he's just like
making up stories. Then they have this cookout, you know,
with the team at the head coach's house and they're
doing like this water water balloon fight. They're all in
the pool. He never gets in the pool, so you
think he's weird for not getting in the pool. Then
he does this water balloon fight and he's trying to
get this water out of his mask because the head

(34:34):
coach wants to go see him. Then when the mask
kind of breaks and he's like are you crying, and
the mass kind of pops his.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Cheeks, he just takes running out of the woods.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
He's like, I think he's just a man of the woods.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
He's talking to his daughter and he's like, hey, he
just ran in the woids your eyes. She's like, I
think he just he just loves the woods.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, I think he loves the woods because he shows
he shows up. He shows up to the party like,
you know, parking his test slow, like in the woods,
and then coming out of the woods. She's like, you
just come out of the woods.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, if you think about it, we all came from
the woods.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
And then when he's talking to the like the big booster,
the gallon, the kitchen, I can't have to leave. I
can't be within one hundred feet of a of a
female alone or something like that. Here's my purity. She's like,
what the fuck? It is?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Funny man, Glenn Powell does a great job these first jepisode, Like,
I'm excited to watch that third and fourth episode because
it is quality.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, yeah, we feel good. Go laugh. I'm laughing. I'm
watching it alone and I'm laughing out loud at some
of the one liners he comes up with where he's
like what do you say? He was like, I just
where he's like just flesh. They're like asking him if
he's like a male or female or something like that.
He has this line like it's just just's flesh.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
What does he say? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I got to write these one liners down.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
It's good, but uh, Hulu's Chad Powers will premiere Tuesday,
September thirtieth, with they two episode launch. New episode stream
weekly on Tuesdays. So if you're watching the show now
at six a m. Just no, it's out there right now.
Hopefully we can spoil too much for you since we
just told you the whole entire first three episodes.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, how old are you? How old anybody COVID?

Speaker 3 (36:16):
COVID?

Speaker 1 (36:16):
You have COVID?

Speaker 2 (36:18):
You know, I'm old enough, but not still young enough?
You know cod are he's sitting with the coach, you
have COVID? No, no, no, when.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
He's sitting with the coach at the dock, but before
the coach tells him he's gonna be the backup quarterback,
and he's like, you know what's really hurt? I had
a bunch of hard issues. You know what the problem was?
The vaccine? He doesn't know? Well maybe, And it's so
funny too, because it's Russ Holiday guys, big conspiracy theorists
like big Douche Like, it's so funny, man, it is.

(36:49):
It is hilarious. Yeah, it's it's out Tuesdays.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
That's tomorrow technically right now.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, watching that, buddy, you will you will love it.
You will love it. It's yeah, it's blue Mountain state.
It's suresy. It's like kind of got all this Like.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
You have to watch you because you'll remember all these
these one liars and quotes that we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, you will appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Hey, the the backup que actually gives me a shir
and vibe.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Is.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, he's just happy, go lucky.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
When they're sitting there, chick his hand.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
That's the number one of our receiver. Yeah, we have
a really good relationship. And then the wide receivers like
give him the pussy sign. He's like that he's calling
me a pussy. He's like, no, I think he thinks
I get a lot of pussy. They talk about him
swimming and he just does like a back dive into
the water.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah yeah, what does he say? Like, it's like that's true,
like does like a bad Yeah, there's ultimate optimist guy.
Nothing fazes him when he fucking steals the balloon and
starts dicing up everybody in the water bloom fight, and
then he goes suck my clipboard, bitch on top of
d quarterback. It's fucking good man, it's good. That is

(38:05):
you know what's go back to a real offense. We're
back a good more tear talks. We'll be on our
way to zich Bro. Let's do one or two more.
This is D three walk on at z T three
seven five eight. Hashtag tear talk is getting that first
loss early in the season benefit at program, Look at
Alabama since Florida State. Yeah, I mean Josh Pate brought

(38:26):
this up on the Locker Room this past week, which
comes out every Wednesday at six pm, the College Football Edition,
and it says when you get when you get early loss,
it gives you a chance of course, correct, taste your
own blood. Understand you're not invincible. So when you get
later in the season, you have these big games, you
know what it's like to hurt. So he keeps you
moving forward. So I think that was a big dub

(38:48):
for Alabama early in the season to catch a l early.
So you can keep moving forward now because they seem
like the doomed to beat in the SEC.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
And watch you slowly but surely, watch not a dame
start to climb. I'm the polls. Yeah. Week at a time,
two losses.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Started to two still in the y AP T five.
Uh what is sure.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
I'm saying here, just chime in. Sure you have something
to say, you can sometimes you can just chime in.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Right, especially on Tuesdays.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
It helps with the CFP rankings. I feel like the
CFP Commission, the voters, they usually they kind of tend
to forget about those week one, week two, week three losses.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Absolutely, it seems like they forget to watch a lot
of football games too. Yeah, yeah, I want to do
one more.

Speaker 6 (39:36):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
That was it.

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(43:36):
into music. We'll talk about all of that, but I
want to talk about your hobbies right now. Came in
with this cool case, floats plays music, keeps your phone nice. Yeah,
but then you started putting out this little blade on
me right now? What is this device?

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah? So this is a demer box. So the guy
James Deamer worked on the set of the show Survivor,
and he had to carry pelican cases to keep all
this stuff dry because it's humid and wet and all that.
And then he installed speakers in it. So then he
started making some of these and put them on Amazon.
While I got a hold of it and I was like, dude,
this is such a problem solver for me because I

(44:10):
do some pretty high adventure you know. I spearfishing is
my favorite thing in the world to do a free dive, spearfish,
I bow hunt a lot of the adventures that I
go on and do. I need something to keep all
my gear safe, even going to the beach, like writing.
So this is a forty hour bluetooth speaker. It's loud,
it's like a base cabinet, and then when you open it,

(44:31):
it's a legit Pelican case. It's got a purge val
so it doesn't lock down if you fly with it
and get air trapped in it. It's got a phone
charger on the inside. You take this plug and put
it in the lid, and now it's fully waterproof and
you can float it down the river with you and
play your tunes. Or you can use as a predator
call box, like if you're up in a stand, you
can put this one hundred feet away in the woods
and have a rabbit call or Cayo call or something.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
So much more of aman than us, you know about
some rabbit calls? Yeah, have you so big? Your fisherman?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
My favorite that is unbelievabavorite thing in the world to do.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
A question I have with that how long can you
hold your breath?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
That was going to be the question was four thirty seven?
Is the best static just sitting still?

Speaker 3 (45:11):
You know, prove it.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
But I could show you in ten minutes how you
can double your breath hold, really show you.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Is it like the hyperventilating you got to like it's
all the Well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Brian Peters was doing it that one time when we
were doing a little pool thing at your house.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Well, he's proven that you can control your uh, your
even your hormone release in your in your body with
your breath. But yeah, the average amount of oxygen people
generally hold is not a lot compared to people that
had to forage and run around and climb up mountains
every day for survival. So it's interesting. I've been going
the last ten years with people that are some of

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the best beer fishermen in the world, like my boy
Justin Lee and Cameron Kirkconnell. I learned how to breathe
the right way, and it's actually the opposite. So if
you hyperventilate, your heart rate spikes, it goes crazy, so
you're burn up all your oxygen, so you do the
opposite of that. You do these half breasts with long exhales,
like ten second xhales. And if you can't sleep or
you're like trying to go down, you got to wind

(46:09):
down and get to bed or whatever. Do ten of
these breasts when you're about to go to sleep, and
you can feel your whole body start to melt and relax.
And while you're hunting, you want to have your heart
rate as low as possible. When you find something that
you want to dive for, then you do three loading breasts,
which is your hyperventilation, and then you do a normal breath,
and then you do a super breath, which most people
don't know how to breathe that other diaphragm everybody breathes through.

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And your lungs are shaped like a triangle, right, but
the most volume is at the bottom. So the biggest
volume in your lungs when you breathe in is right here.
If you put your hand up, put your hand on
your belly. Now pretend there's a balloon going. Don't lift
your chest when you breathe in. Just fill up this bottom,
which is where the most volume is. So when you
inhale fill up that just that balloon. Don't let your

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shoulders come up. Everybody breathes with this top part of
their lungs and that's where you got the least amount
of volume. Yep. So you do that while you're cruising
your heart rates low. You're melting in the water super efficient.
Then you get there three loading breasts, which is just
like that, and then regular breath, and then you do
a triple which is diaphragm, chest and throat, and then

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you go down. And then after you've done your breathe up,
which is just like those half breasts chilling on top.
When you go down, you got twice a bottom time,
you know would have. So I did it wrong for
ten years and I started going with people that know
how to do it. It's like somebody handing a golf
club and being like, smack the ball. Like, unless you
have mechanics and somebody to show you how to do it,
it's not relaxing at all to try to hit golf
balls and you don't know how to hit a golf ball.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
How do you get into something like this?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
I went the first time in the Bahamas with a
bohemian guy there and just fell in love with it
like I just love. I love the challenge physically you
sleep like a baby after you die for a whole
day and swimming, but you're challenging the ocean, you're challenging
the camouflage and the fish, you're challenging your breath. And
when you get something nice, it's like you did it.

(48:02):
And it's only shooting things you can eat. So you're
getting out in the morning and you're going out and
you're shooting your dinner and you know, food for the
next few days, or making cevich on the boat or
whatever it is. But I love like I love making
people feel good. I love entertaining people. But I I
recharge and my my lady calls it, it's two people
y in there. And sometimes I got to just go

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out and be in the wild. And when i'm supeitfishing,
there's nothing else in my brain. There's no chatter except
exactly what's in the moment right there. And every time
I go, I see something in the ocean I've never
seen before. It is another universe down there.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Have you ever terrified me? That's you? What kind of
what is that?

Speaker 1 (48:39):
That's a dog tooth tuna, a dog tooth tuna. That
was Infiji. No, I was stoked when I saw that.
That's what I was. That's what I was.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
After you you saw that and you got hyped out
walk I'm like, Jesus, dude, I'm walking on water. I'm
getting out of there.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, and this was more recently, But.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Now, what about sharks.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Sharks they're there all the time.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Spearfishing videos where guys go down there, they get themselves
a fish. You can hear them be stoked and they're
kind of reeling it in and then this is little Yeah,
you blackfin fell you.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
You bottle them for for the fish sometimes and it's
not intuitive, but as soon as you get the fish
to your body and like claim it, they'll turn. But
you don't want to be holding the fish out because
it'll eat your hand and the fish at the same
time trying to eat the fish when the visibility is good.
Sharks know the deal. And this is not spearfish in
places where they eat people our size or eat sea

(49:32):
lions or things our size. Now that's a different thing.
But most of the places that we go, they're just
after the fish, or they're after the chum that we're throwing.
Like when we're fishing for those big dog too. Tuna.
That's a Spanish mackerel on the left side right there
that I'm holding up. But you know, you read the
sharks language. They're like a dog right you walk in
the yard. You can read the language of a dog
if they're kind of staring at you and they're like

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you can tell by looking at them. I mean, we
swim with them every time. This was just a month
or so ago. That is a monster kubert a kuberra,
cubrera snapper and those things. That's a monster. In Bahamas,
you can't use a spear gun. You have to use
a spear so you have to use a nine foot
spear that has a rubber band on the back of it,
and you have to swim down and get close enough
while it's loaded, and swim under rocks and rustle a

(50:14):
nine foot pole into the rocks and try to shoot
things like.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
That while you're holding your breath.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
While you're holding your breath, so you have a weight belt,
you have a mask and a snorkel and a knife,
and then you either have a pole spear if you're
in Bahamas, or you have a spear gun which is
all preloaded, so all the tensions not on your hand
when you swim down, So a gun you just reach
out and you can shoot. Sometimes the you have a
reel on your gun. If you're shooting things that are
twenty thirty pounds, you know you can get that in

(50:38):
with you know, by hand. If you're shooting monsters like
that dog too tuna, your shaft is attached to a
float line, to a booie. So you shoot the fish
and you're not attached to it anymore, and then you
have to chase it down before the sharks get it,
pull it up high enough. Sometimes take a.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Second gun is a crazy car? Yeah, yeah, that's nuts.
So is it when you're shooting a fish? Is it
kind of like when you go deer hunting and you're like, hey,
you want to aim for that little like shoulder piech
right there, get behind the headshots.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
If you can. If you can break their spine, it's
it stones them, So that's what you want. I've had
situations where I'm sixty five feet down the bottom of
radio tower. I shoot a permit, the biggest permit I've
ever seen in my life.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Can we pull up a permit? Because it sounds like
you have to get from the city council.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
I can I assure you picture right here?

Speaker 3 (51:26):
This is uh, these are these are big fellas.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
They're not knowing. This was a sixty pounder. I've never
heard anyone catching one on a line that was over
like thirty five forty pounds, but just just a monster.
But but this one, this one almost drowned me. I
hit him a little low, but this thing's about that wide.
They're they're kind of like a pit bull.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah, like in the wild.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
That's a big boy. Yeah, it's a big boy right there.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Take a little I'm sixty five feet down. I shoot him.
He takes off one way, ripping line off my reel.
I'm trying to swim up. I need breath. I'm like
at the you have about forty five seconds after you
feel uncomfortable to get air and you know you're still safe,
so you just mentally have to block it out. Same
thing when you're training or when you're whatever, Like you
gotta just like rip through. You know you're gonna be okay.

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So I get up about ten feet from the surface
and I can see it and I need air. Well,
the line on my reel was gone, and he snatched
me back down twenty feet and then I start snatching
the reel trying to He's either gonna break out. It's
either gonna rip out of him, or he's gonna turn.
So I rip it a few times and he turns,
and so I get up and I get a breath.

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As soon as I get a breath, he pulls me
back down again. And you have to clear your ears
in the middle of it too, because they pull you
down deep. So that one was a wild one, and
my buddy jumped in. He was trying to help, he
was holding me.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I probably just let go, yea, yeah, why don't you
just let go?

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah? But it is the most If you've never been
spear fishing, Bahamas is the best place to learn. Its
crystal clear, twenty thirty feet of water. You can shoot
amazing lobsters, snapper, grouper. It's I'm telling you, it's another world.
It's hunting and fishing and physical. That's a big lobster.
It's a baster that was in Bahamas.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Is that so the story you just told us, Is
that like the scariest experience you've had in the water.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
No, Actually, the scariest ones that I've had have been
using a scuba tank. I had an emergency service from
one hundred and twenty feet somebody else's gear on their
boat they had. I'm down there and all of a sudden,
I've been down like five minutes. It was an eighteen
minute dive, so I wasn't hawking the gauges, like looking
at them every two minutes because I'd been down long.
But I see this huge snapper and I'm going down.

(53:27):
I went. I was at one hundred and I went
down to one twenty chase in this snapper, and it
was like I was breathing out of a coffee straw.
That air start because you have to continually breathe in scuba,
so you're constantly making bubbles, which is not great camouflage,
which is why freed diving is the way to do it.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
You why do you have to continually breathe with a
scuba tank.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Because you're really compressed air, and so if you change
your atmosphere, you go down from fifteen to twenty five
is a different atmosphere. So when you go down it compressed.
It compresses the air down and you're breathing it compressed already,
so you constantly have to flow and breathe. You never
stop your breathing. That's why there's all these bubbles coming
out when you're scuba diving. But if somebody's in the

(54:03):
boat up top. The guy was up at the boat
up top, the guy was diving with he had a
bunch of floats on his chest, and he would if
you shoot a fish, you tie the float to it,
you blow it up and to send the fish up
to the top. And the guy in the boat like
picks the fish up, and he's following our bubbles. He
can see where we are. Well. I was down five minutes.
I was out of air. I looked down and my
gauge was red. Something was wrong. The gauge was wrong.

(54:23):
The tank wasn't full, it said it was. When I
went down. I was one hundred and twenty feet down.
I swim twenty feet up to where my buddy was.
He had all those floats on his vest. I'm trying
to get to his octopus, his secondary air, to grab
it and breathe. But when I made it to him,
I was already out of air. So I tried to
wrestle with it and get that off. What I should
have done is taken his out of his mouth and
us trade breaths go up to twenty five feet, decompressed

(54:45):
there for three or four minutes, and then go So
I knew that all the air that was in my
lungs was going to be expanding, expanding as I went up.
So I had emergency service from one hundred feet and
I blew up my BC as far as I could,
and the whole way up, I'm just blowing out as
hard as I can. Just the guy running the boat
at the top sees me come up and like breached

(55:06):
the top of the water and was like, oh shit,
I didn't get the bends. Thank god.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
What's then?

Speaker 1 (55:10):
The bens is when you have to be put in
a decompression chamber and breathe pure oxygen afterwards to decompress
your body. It can really mess your brain up. So
I don't. I don't scuba anymore. I've had one time
when I was spearfishing, I got washed out past a reef.
These big roller waves came in and the boat we
came out on couldn't get to us, and so for

(55:31):
an hour, I'm just tread and water. I dumped my
weight belt, just threw it off, and I'm just cruising
on top of the water, which I'm comfortable doing. But
the little guy that was with me was from Belize.
He was a kind of a heavy guy, but he
could swim, and he was out. He was screaming and
waving his gun and trying to do whatever, and I
was like, oh shit, So I dropped my weight and
I just cruis it on top, and an hour later
the waves settled down and the little Penga could get

(55:52):
out through the reef to get out to where we
were again. But that was one of the moments where
I was like, maybe it maybe like five six hours
that I have to just maintain and able to wait
for the tide to turn and be able to make
it swim back in.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Buddy.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
I mean, I go, I go in my pool and
it's a fe deep. I can't. I can't, you know.
I mean, gple may make funny. I'll be trying to
tread water and I just can't do it. I'll just sink.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Spearfishing is the most fun anything I've ever done. It's
I'm telling you, it's it's you should go sometime. Bahamas
is the best place. I got a boat there. If
you guys ever want to go Bahamas weekend, I can
take you.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Okay, I mean yeah, I mean we've just met and
you're already inviting us out on a nice excursion.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yeah. Man, I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Well, his boy, his boy built my house, Matt, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he was our builder for the house we're currently We
were actually his first house that I think it was
him and his dad. But during COVID he just did
a little side project since nobody was playing a whole lot.
But yeah, what does he do? Is he a guitarist?

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Bass player?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Yeah, bass player yeah, yeah, very detailed individual.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, his dad's a builder, and Matt, I've got to
like Burke nerds in my band. I've got him and
Clay Cook. And so they quantitize it all. They tell
me what the math is. I create something and then
they make a chart of what it is so everybody
else can play it and learn it or whatever it is.
But I'm not the that'd be like your offensive coordinator
or defense coordinator Whoever's just like strategy wise, because when

(57:19):
I create something, I don't want to think about the math.
You know, you can break anything into math, but I
want to make it based on the way I feel
and the way it makes me feel and maybe the
way it makes somebody else feel, and then they they
quantitize it. Matt can listen to a song no matter
how long it is one listen to the song and
write a musical chart of all of the notes and
the timing of the whole song, listening to it, no
matter how complicated it is. So Matt, Matt's like a wizard.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
He is thorough Yeah it, sitting there breaking down everything.
He's got his little handbook and everything else.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
I was like, buddy, can I just I'll just live
in the house and then when something happens, I'll just
let you know. You know, I'm going to give mouth
open as I'm staring.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
At Yeah, and you know, he's so passionate about whatever
he's telling me too.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
And it was his first one. So he's on it, bro, Yeah,
he's on it.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
So we're into spearfishing. What uh do we hunter?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Have you swim with Orcas.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I've been in the water with him, I haven't gotten
to really have a great close up encounter. But in Alaska.
I got a place in Alaska and they're out in
the bay all the time, so we spearfish there and
so we've seen a glimpse of them, but never gotten
to just like fully see him swim with whale sharks,
to swim with pilot whales, lots of different things. Orcheres
are the craziest. They're the baddest machine in the.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Oceans as they are bad.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
That's where they played with toy.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
You know, I've said it a lot. I had the
free you know, free Willy, grew up on free Willy. Yeah,
I had the little compass, held it near and deue
to my heart for the longest time. What happened to
that compass?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I think we just moved and I lost it. I
grew up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yeah, you know what I mean, never too much, because
you break it up the four times you realize the
compass is just you know, just that.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah, I ain't gonna find a whale with this.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
You can go swim with them too.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I don't want no way.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Why Iceland you can do it too.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Yeah. They all spinfish hall of it there too in
those places too, same as same as Alaska.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
I need to get out to Iceland. My wife when
we first met, she was like, whoever I marry, whoever
I'm with the rest of my life. I want to
go to Iceland with them, and I was like, oh, yeah,
we're gonna go to Iceland. We've be married for almost
ten years. Amazing, still have not gone to Iceland. Gotta
check that box.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Ten.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Your anniversary comes up in April.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I was just in Greenland about a month ago.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Yeah, yeah, how was that? Yeah, I'm sure you trouble.
Were your like your favorite places you've ever been to.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
And Alaska is one of them. Have you been to Alaska? No?
I think the scale of Alaska is so much bigger
than anything else, and just it's it's the wild. I've
got a boat there and you can go off and
lower the front gate extends over and you can just
walk off and go anywhere you want to go. But
there's a frequency in Alaska that I've never found anywhere else.

(59:50):
In July and August and Homer is the greatest. It's
sixty sixty five degrees every day. It's sunny. World class fishing,
world class hunting, it is. But beauty wise, the view
from my porch is the greatest you have ever seen anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
You spend every summer up there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I spend my summer's working my ass off. So my
goal is to get to wear it be up there
more often.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Yeah, dude, are you you a big hunter?

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yeah? I bet hunting my whole life. My dad was
taking me, you know, dealhunt deer hunting and hunting birds
and squirrels.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
And what's your favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
I love the bow hunt. This is my favorite because
you're in their environment. You're playing the wind and you're
scent and the camo and the environment and sneaking up hunting.
For me, the greatest ninety percent of hunting why I
love it is not harvesting the animal. It's because it
pushes you out into the wild where you would never go.
And the amount of sunrises and sunsets that I've seen

(01:00:47):
bow hunting. I can't imagine what my life would be
like without having that in my life. It's uh, it's
spiritual and it's primal, and you're hunting things that you
can eat or that if you're in another country sometimes
the things that that you shoot there, the villagers get
to eat it, so you're feeding their families or your own.
And it's I can't I can't really explain, but but

(01:01:12):
being connected to nature and walking places that people don't
walk like, you're not on a trail that's on your
map guide on your phone, you know, and an app
on your phone. You're truly just pushing into the wilderness,
into the wild and yeah, that's that's on my boat
in Alaska.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
And what's the hardest hunt that you've been on? Are
the hardest animal to push?

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Man? Big big one? The sheep sheep are the hardest
because you know, they're they're so far out there. I
had a huge awakening. I was in Kyrgyzstan hunting our golly,
which are the big sheep that lived there, like five
hundred pound Kyrgystan, our galley between China and Mongolia, and

(01:01:53):
it's like home of the Shaman like land. It's like
shaman Land, but you're on a horse. You're on a
horse that's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Imagined. It's like a scene in Zoolander. Yeah, you know,
I was out in Where were you at?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
In Curry stand hunting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
But a lot of people don't A lot of people
don't understand the conservation part of hunting as well, because
the hunters that pay big money to get tags for
things is paying the people that are there protecting the
herds of the species and managing them and making sure
that they're going to be around forever. So people are like, oh,
it's just a murder and whatever it is. It's like,
when's the last time you gave three hundred grand in

(01:02:33):
a year to conserving populations of animal and helping them,
like making sure they're always there. Yeah, you know, they
manage quotas of them. They they checked the predator to
to pray, ratio and those things. If there's too many predators,
they'll put the predators, you know, on a list and
sell tags. Make thirty grand a pop on selling the
hunts for those so that they can keep everything in balance.

(01:02:54):
I know in Africa, the poacher's slayed everything. There's four
percent of Africa that's under conservation that have healthy herds
of animals that are there, and it's because of the
hunters that go there. The hunters pay for it. Like
when you heard it, youurd about Cecil the lion, right,
there was a very photographed lion that a hunter shot,
so they banned lion hunting in that entire area. So

(01:03:15):
then there was no money coming in from the abundance
of lions that were there from tags anymore. So all
the farmers that live there, they tolerate the lions eating
their goats and their sheep and their things like that,
because they were getting a cut of the conservation. So
when they banned line hunting, the lions just poison all
the lions, killed every one of them, no shit, And
so people think they're solving it by one way of

(01:03:38):
getting what they want, but the result is actually way
more horrible than having someone manage it and make sure
there's a healthy population of lions always there. But poachers
come in and sellers trying to feed their families, you know,
killing things, and people that I've seen do it really well,
they're conservationists. They come in, they'd hire all the poachers
and they run them through a two year ranger school
and teach them how to protect the animals and how

(01:03:59):
to for people because they're the best hunters in the world.
These people that come from the bush in Africa, and
they can hide in a bush right next to where
you are. You have no idea that they're there. They'll
set twenty snares to get one animal. The first animal
that gets caught, they take it and sell it to
somebody that's trying to buy parts off the animal or
something like that, and then the other twenty animals just

(01:04:19):
get snared and die no purpose whatsoever. So's there's always
a huge conversation. It's always polarizing. And I haven't really
talked about my hunting life just because I've got fans
that are super left and super right, and I always
wanted my music to be something that brought people together
of all the exact.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Jan everybody buys Jordan's Democrats and Republicans so exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
So I don't talk about my politics. I don't talk
about those things. I haven't really talked about my hunting,
but what it's added to my life and just for
my peace of mind and being able to be out
in the wild. And there's lots of hunts that you
go on, you don't get anything except the experience of
catching every sunrise and every sunset and being in that
environment and of being in the wile, Like it just
helps return me to just be in Alaska and the

(01:05:04):
ocean and hunting. All of that makes me feel small
and the best possible way. Yeah, it's the greatest.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
You brought up an interesting point about like people have
different views, Like you have a lot of different fans
of both sall on the left and the right. When
you were coming up through the ranks and like gaining
all this traction, having all these singles, these Grammys and
stuff like that. Was there ever a time that maybe
someone part of your team try to get you to
act a certain way because they want to make sure
you were unscathed from one side or the other.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I think that was more my initiative that was there,
and most of the people, like now, we don't have
a management company, like we have our managers in house.
We're not with a label. We're all independent. So I
know when I'm dealing with people and partners and sponsors whoever,
I know how those people are treated. They're representing me,
and I can say I can vouch and know how

(01:05:54):
that they're going to handle people in situations and things.
But I think you've got to be really careful. I
never wanted to be a celebrity and get to like
and try to just be a celebrity, like I wanted
people to know me through music. So when I'm on
a stage, I like attention because that's what I'm doing.
I'm trying to be there to move them for that
night and inspire them and help them have a great night.

(01:06:15):
But otherwise, in my private life, I just try to
live my life, raise my kids. I got five kids.
I got four girls and a boy. My girls are fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Number that boy come in, he's last.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Finally give us he's eleven, four girls, and then the
boy he's eleven. But my girls are fourteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
And he's in it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
It's awesome, dude. I love my girls. Yeah, and it's
like anything. But half of my life is opposed to
a lot of people and artists who don't have kids
or whatever. But I have my kids half the time,
and when I have them, that's my one hundred percent focus.
I'm their bitch. Yeah, I'm all the games, all the things,
and I want to do that. I don't want to
look back and miss out on those things. You know.
I make a lot of sacrifices to do what I do,

(01:06:55):
but that eats up half my time. And then the
weeks that I don't have them, I can work, I
can adventure, I can refill my cup and detox from
all the stuff. Man, you know, try to be creative,
but being the business leader and being a creative or
hard hand in hand, because you can be consumed by
all the fires of all the stuff you have to
deal with all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Right, independence that seems like a like a rare thing
in your industry. Was it always that way or did you?
Was there?

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Like no, I had point management early on, I had
labels early on and all of that, and it was
necessary at the time. And then as you get your
own machine going and figuring it out, it's like you
look at it and you're also competing with other people.
Like if you're with a management company, you're they have
twenty acts, right, So you're competing for attention with everything

(01:07:44):
else that's going on with the other people that they have.
And for a lot of people that don't really have
a left brain, that aren't really business centered or whatever,
like they need that, Like I need a business manager.
I was terrible at paying my bills, like not because
I couldn't figure out how to make the money just
because putting us I mean back then we didn't have
auto pay. We had to like put a stamp on
a check and put it in the mail. And I
was allergic to that. I don't know why, but I

(01:08:07):
would drive to the place to pay my power bill,
like drive over there and like give them a check.
I don't know what my mental block. But as soon
as I had somebody, as soon as I could afford
to have somebody that was like paying my bills for me,
that helped me a lot in my life. So I'm
definitely I'm good at what I'm good at, but there's
things that I'm awful at, and I got to have
my team to back me up on those things.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Yeah, isn't it funny how like you can do some
of the hardest things that most people can't do, but
when it comes the most simplistic things, because we're the
same way, just do it. Just do yourself, man speak.
I will speak for myself. They're the basics I can
barely do. I can barely do the basics. So I'm
with you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
And I told Kendrick when we got together, like, look,
I'm good at some things. There's some things I'm like,
I'm special. Yeah, you know, I'm special. And she's like, no,
you're not, or whatever, And now she's like, you kind
of are special. Yeah, I told you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
I never I'm still in my family plan for high
school out my phone bill.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Obviously you've had a bunch of success, like in the beginning, though,
like how long did it take you from the start
of like, Okay, I want to be an artist. I
want to do music too. Okay, this is my big break.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
So I was fourteen, I know I want to play
music professionally. I know I want to build a camp.
Those are the two things that were most important to me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
And build a camp.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Is this the Hunting Camp Southern Ground? No? No, we
built a campus, like a university level campus where we
serve kids and veterans. Okay, and that's in Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Fourteen years old.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
You want to do that, I want to do that.
I worked at Camp. I was a counselor product of Camp,
and then I worked at Staff for three years after that,
living there all summer kids that don't have any mentorship
in their areas where they are if you dip them
in the right environment for a week and let them
show them a different way, Like, it's cool because the
camps that I worked at. In my camp now is

(01:09:49):
a diversity model. So we've got kids that are on
the spectrum, kids from underserved areas, kids from military families
that might have lost their parent or parent was dismembered
or taken their life. And then you have kids mainstream
kids that might not know how to appreciate anything they have.
They're just like spoiled and have everything but don't have
any perspective. But when you take everybody in that group,

(01:10:12):
all of them are in the same group together, running
for a week together, having to overcome things, having to
learn about people that are different than them, it can
change the trajectory of their life entirely in a week.
So I was a product of that. Camp opened my
eyes and made me want to be courageous. Like I
went to public school. So if you got up and
saying something or did a skid or something in public
school in front of kids, you're gonna get roasted a

(01:10:33):
lotas sixth grade is the most brutal thing in the world.
So camp was the place that was like safe to
be yourself and do that and a lot of the
things that I'm not afraid to do, things like I'm
not afraid what if someone thinks this, well, that's not
my problem. Like people are gonna hate anything you do. People.
When I started first started building the camp, we had

(01:10:54):
a huge public hearing because we're gonna have dwellings on
the property. We had people throwing vegetables at peace. People
that worked at the camp, trying to knock on the
door telling them what we were building close by and
things people were up at arms and like trying to
figure out what nefarious reason I would be like building
a camp. They're like afraid I was going to build
subsidized housing and stuff like that. But it doesn't matter
what you do in this world. It's because we hear

(01:11:16):
the voices of so many idiots. If we were in
a tribe, if we live in a tribe of people,
if you couldn't hear what someone was saying over earshot,
you're not supposed to be able to hear what they
have to say. Nor have they earned the right or
respect or any accomplishment in their life where I might
even want to listen to something that they would say.
But we live in a world where you're in kids.

(01:11:37):
I can't imagine kids having to make it through and
figure out who they are because if you don't really
pay attention, the devices and the internet will raise your
children if you're not there to know who they are
and what they're becoming and the things they have to
deal with these days compared to I used to have
to break in my parents' room, breaking a dresser, break
in a box to get a dirty magazine. And now

(01:11:57):
kids with an unlocked phone can can tell you can
watch B Reality with whatever they like get a hold of,
Like the innocence is gone. One kid with an unlocked
phone like, hey look at this, and it's like god
knows what.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
That's how it started, right, not BC Reality, but the
unlocked phone. Yeah, yeah that on sidekick and they we
got here. I was like in eighth grade.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
It's a weird time, like five ways around everything. It's
like you remember when you could like jail break your iPhone,
Like yeah, you can get away with pretty much anything.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Yeah, it's wild and they know so much about it
and they're so savvy, like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
You pick it up so way smart than new way faster.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
I bet. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
But so you wanted to do this, so you went
to camp. You realized how much of an impact ahead
on you, and you want to make for somebody else
had that as well. Yeah, so at fourteen years old
going through people, you're like, I want to do music
and I want to give back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
I want to do a camp.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
What was the process and getting all that started?

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
So I love that I had a purpose from that
age because everything that I did working towards that the
amount of time I spent practicing my guitar, listening to
other music, learning her songs. So by the time I
was playing in bars when I was seventeen, I knew
a thousand cover songs, so I could play whatever. I
would look at the people that were sitting there, by
what they had on, by their age, try to figure

(01:13:10):
out something that they might like to hear, because the
chances are when you see somebody playing in a restaurant,
it's a fifty to fifty it's gonna be terrible or
it's gonna be okay. So you got to win them over,
and so you try to you know, I prepared myself
trying to figure out how to reach people and maybe
if they listen to a few covers that they like
in that vein, Like again, you test out some Floyd
on them, or test out you know, some Bill Withers

(01:13:32):
or something like see whatever its their head tap, then
after you kind of earn their respect, then you can
slip in an original song.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
So what I did is I created a business model.
So I went into sports bars that didn't have live music,
and I just said I'm gonna come here and I'm
gonna play. And I did this for six years, six years,
six nights a week. I played four to six hours
a night in sports bars, and I went to the places,
talk to the owner and just said, let me come
play here every Tuesday night or Wednesday, whatever day it was.

(01:14:00):
And this was in Georgia, Alabama, and Florida. I hired
a guy to drive my truck for me. I'd sleep
against the window in my truck through the night getting
to the other places, and then eventually I just said
I want the door, like we charge three bucks or
five bucks at the door. So on a Wednesday Tuesday
night in different places, I was bringing in two or
three hundred people into a sports bar to come in

(01:14:20):
to see us play. And I was making, you know,
nine hundred bucks at the door. And I could pay
a good sound guy, I could pay a band, I
could pay people to come there. But if I'd have
gone to Nashville and tried to get a gig, you
making fifty bucks a night playing where it's so saturated.
The guys working at waffle house are better guitar players
than me. I'm serious, like wicked crazy players. There's so

(01:14:41):
much saturation and then there's not a market for it.
So what I had and one thing that I've always had,
and I think it's the most valuable trait and success period,
is hustle. I was slinging candy out of my backpack
when I was in elementary schoolmen quarter blow pops, three
dollar rancher six.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
For the and chocolate bars.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
You go to class, you know little Johnny or right,
he's got everything for you. I was opening that thing
up during recess.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
That's it in the bathroom, whatever it is, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
On sell. But I was a big time consumer, too,
big time consumer.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
I was only a consumer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
So that was my hustle man. Music was my hustle,
and it was my way of doing it, and I
had no idea where it's going to end up or whatever.
But I wasn't gonna let anybody talk me into not
doing it. And about when I was probably twenty, record
labels started coming sniffing around, seeing that I was bringing
in and selling out theaters, selling out you know, places
with you know, four or five thousand people in them,

(01:15:34):
and they were trying to figure out what it is.
But they were like, you got to figure out. I
remember one of the record label heads talked to my
lawyer when they were like leaving town. He was like,
he's got to decide what kind of artist he is.
He just doesn't know that yet. And they would come
and go, we're gonna put a cowboy hat on you,
in some boots and stuff, and we're gonna, you know,
get you. And I'm just like, I'm just gonna be me.
So it took ten years from that point to actually

(01:15:56):
feel comfortable enough to sign a record deal. So, for
for the first Sick was me and a drummer grinding
six hours a night, six nights a week. Then four
years of playing with different people around Atlanta to getting
to the point to where we could afford to have
a bus where I could actually lay down flat and
sleep while we're traveling, and then basically you know, So

(01:16:16):
it was ten years after we'd set out like we're
gonna make it. You know, we're gonna be big next year.
It was ten years after that to get to the beginning.
And that's when Chicken Fried came out. We made the
right record with Keith Stiegel, and then it's a winding path.
It's a long story about how it all went down,
but we'd signed with a huge, brand new record label
that had like Madonna, Jay z U two and US

(01:16:38):
and we were the developing act and the thing. Then
that whole record label dissolved and I had the album
I'd made on my own, and then I released it
with them, and then I released it again with Atlantic Records.
But I had some leverage by then because we had
a number one song on the radio and no label.
So I was able to strike a deal with Atlantic Records,
who was my first, you know, big record label that

(01:16:59):
that I worked with, and but I was able to
leverage getting my master's back. It took eight years to
get him back.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
That's when you re released Chicken Fried.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
I re released Kick and Friday. It was the third
time that album had come out with the second record
label that it came out, and we'd already had a
number We had a number one.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
How does that process work? How do you release an
album three times?

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Because it on my own, and then there was a
huge thing cooking with this big, huge company that was
trying it. It wasn't their model, but they were going to
do a record label. So then we signed with them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
And when they when you sign with them, they now
have the master of Chicken They have the masters. So
when you when that breakup or whatever happens, you can't
use chicken frieda anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
No I can use it. They just make the majority
of the money from it got you, Okay, So it's
broken down into three buckets, right, if you're a songwriter,
If you're an artist, recording artist, and a songwriter, your
songwriting's broken up into your writer's share and a publisher share.
And I owned both of those. And then there's your masters,
who owns the actual master recording. That makes about five times.

(01:17:58):
And I know this because I'm one of the owly
artists that owns their masters, So I actually get the
payments from all the DSPs. I get the payment from
Spotify and from YouTube and all those things myself. So
I have optics into how much the labels make off
of that, where most people don't. Every time you sign
another record deal, that pushes your masters getting him back
like another eight years, ten years, so they have a

(01:18:19):
way to figure it out. But I'd heard all these
stories about people getting taken advantage of, and I was
just stubborn enough to like fight for you know, getting
the leverage to be able to get them back. And
then and then As the time went on, I was
able to hire my team of people that handled most
of the day to day stuff that we needed to do.
So then we just stopped using managers or stopped using
the label and you know, kind of do it on

(01:18:40):
our own. And now we know what it earns and
I can take some of that and keep good people
around me to help manage it. But I'm not competing
with other artists. I'm not competing with other releases and
things like that. It's a lot of work, but I
know how people are treated. I know I'm represented at
all times by everyone in my business.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Right and it was associated with you, you know how they're
going to treat other people.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Z Brown Band and Taylor Swift. I know that was
a massive deal. When she got her mess did like
Taylor's version or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
She just re recorded them all so and asked her
fans to listen to those.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Instead, he's got an army out there, man, Yeah, you
got to watch out for them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
It's a full blown Military's a force.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Yeah, this is the most comfer military in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Actually, is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
She's a force, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
You've collaborated with so many different people like Alan Jackson
and Jimmy Buffett and Kid Rock, Like how does that?
How did those conversations take place? Like you've you've done
the master's thing. You were just stubborn enough to ask
the right questions to get what you wanted. And then
these big time stars as well, like how do those
conversations take place? Like, Hey, I like your ship, you
like my ship. Let's do something together.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Yeah, I got simple seek him out. It's like this
is a dream, Like I want to have Jimmy Buffet
on a song. I ended up meeting him at a campsite,
like he's sitting there eating a pie and me and
my bass player walking by and like sitting down and
start talking to him. And we ended up being friends
from that. And then I send him a song like, hey,
we got a song. We had traction, we'd already had,
you know, five or seven number ones at that time,

(01:19:59):
and and so I think our success and then us
being real genuine fans of him talking him into doing it.
Same way with Dolly. We just released the song with
Dolly Parton just came out a couple of weeks ago.
And she is the best. It's called Butterfly. She is
such an incredible they'll never be another Dolly, like the
most published, most brilliant female writer ever. But that was

(01:20:26):
a dream, and it was a dream to have like
a full orchestra, like forty people come in record forty
pieces of an orchestra and put it in. So we
did it on the song with Dolly and she's an
angel man. But she's what she sang on this. I
sent her the song and like, sing whatever you want.
When I got back what she sang, I was just like,
she is a fucking ninja. Dude, Yeah, she is a ninja.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Didn't she have like a song that she wrote and
produced that she like buried under, like was it dolly Land,
dolly World or something like that that will not be
released until she's passed away or a certain date.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
That wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
I just heard crazy story about her next cycle. That's
next level thinking of true, and I love to know
if that is, if we can find out because legend
I saw that in passing probably Instagram, and I'm like,
oh shit, you see this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
You know Who's a collaboration you'd love to do in
the future.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Adele's one that I've always wanted to do. I love Adelle.
I love her voice. I met her, we played, she
played at some country things. She was singing something with
Darius Rucker at this thing. She came up to me.
I'd never seen her name before. This is when the
record heard, record nineteen was out. I hadn't heard of her,
and she walked up and she's like, I really love
your music, and I was like, oh, thank you. And

(01:21:33):
I thought I was like Adelai or something. I didn't
know we even know how to say her name really.
And then the next year she came out with twenty
one and it was like the biggest record ever.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
And she's exploding.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
And I listened to her when I ride my motorcycle.
I would put that record on and listen to it
like a thousand so when I could just like, whenever
I listen to it, I can almost feel the wind
on my face. Yeah, And I just I was late
getting to the uh. I was late getting to the
scene on her because I could have talked to her
and connected with her right there. But she's she's pretty
untouchable now and kind of does what she wants to do.

(01:22:05):
But she's definitely my top. Like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Is there any conversations taking place with her right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Now, not not currently. She was at the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame when we did. We were the
band for Dolly for her rock and Roll Hall of
Fame induction, so we got to back her up on
all her songs and she was there, but I didn't
get to meet her.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
She's just like shoot her at DM like, what's up
with this collab?

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
The eye apology?

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Yeah yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Says it says here Dolly Beard a song and a
time capsule at Dollywood that will not be heard until
she is ninety nine years old. I mean, Shuram just
wrote that, so you could have just lied.

Speaker 6 (01:22:41):
Is that copy?

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Didn't paste it so you know it's factual from the internet,
from the internet. Got to have it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Was there ever a moment, because you're right, I agree
with you on the hustle Partment six years, especially when
you're like the late teens. You know, you're a young man,
like you know, just young, wild and free. But as
you're playing, you know, six nights a week, six hours
a night, is there ever a moment where you're like
this is about to be it, whether it's a breakthrough

(01:23:09):
or even this might be it, Like I'm gonna have
to turn and do something else.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
I was never gonna turn and do something else, because
we left. We went to Panama City Beach with our
with our van and our new CD that we'd had
made of five song CD and my dog and like
all our gear and drove to Panama City and we
would set up and plug in anywhere where somebody would
give us a power outlet. We plug in and set
up outside and we played. We did that for a
week or two. Played at this guy's dakriy shack. He

(01:23:34):
had like a trailer with the Dakri machines in it,
and we placed sitting outside of this thing. And then
that turned into meeting some people that own a really
nice house on Roberts Drive that let us sleep in
their garage. So me and the drummer a sleeping in
a double bed together for like a month, and then
we found a house gig at this place like that
let us play every week. And you know, they let

(01:23:55):
us play ten nights in a row, six hours a
night for one hundred and fifty bucks a night. So
we's give us fifteen hundred bucks. And we had to
prove ourselves sweating outside in Panama City in the in
the summertime. But I loved the whole process. I loved
all of it. There were moments that I thought, yeah,
we're gonna meet these people and things that we're just
gonna be big, you know what I mean. And then

(01:24:16):
when we left Panama City. We did that for a
few years. Then we left. Then we went to New Orleans.
We're like, Okay, now we're gonna go conquer New Orleans.
We left New Orleans so fast. I think the devil
lives in New Orleans. Live in New Orleans. If you
were there, if you were there. When we drove in,
it was like three in the morning, and our busted
old van that like five out of the eight cylinders
worked in it, and gas is just like spraying inside

(01:24:37):
the car. It's like I sold my life insurance policy.
My dad gave me to buy this twelve hundred dollars
like van from the seventies, like a good times van,
like bubble windows, like orange shag carpet. So we're living
out this van and we get to New Orleans and
that was that's Oprah. That was a different one. That
was let that was much later.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Well that's a nicer version.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Yeah, that's nicer. But the good times. Van was the
first vehicle we were in. But when I thought we
were gonna make it in New Orleans and we went
there and it was all jazz and blues. Nobody would
have us, Nobody would let us go in and play.
Three days, we had twenty bucks left. I was living
off a gas card. I was like, I could get
Dorito's and bologney and white bread and natural Light. If

(01:25:18):
you made enough money and tips, you could drink bud Light.
But yeah, you know, you're on the natural Light train
for a long time. So then we had to kind
of come home and regroup, and I started playing more
around Atlanta and then only going to Panama City for
some of the summertimes. But man, it was always a grind,
and I there was the option. Giving up was never
an option. It was like, what's the next thing. How

(01:25:38):
can we get in front of new people, new audiences
and things like that. And once Chicken Fried came out
on the radio and we had a song, then we
started opening for Alan Jackson and Dave Matthews Band and
Kenny Chesney and opening for people and getting to play
in front of people. But we've been honing our craft
and our skill. I mean having the bands a lot
like having a sports team, Like, everybody's got to be
good at their job. They got to show up and

(01:25:58):
be solid. They can't be you know, drunk and wasted,
like gotta good life skills, discipline, And we did that.
And then not long after, we stopped anybody drinking before
the show because we would smash a bottle of Yaeger
before the show. It was from a four piece ban
a bottle yeager during the show, and a bottle or
two after the show. And so like all my rock

(01:26:19):
star days and shit like that was like from twenty
to twenty three, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Short lived, so short runway.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Yeah, but after that it was pretty much like it
was business after that. But I knew what it does,
and I've been sober now for.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Eight years, so I congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Yeah for me, I know what it does. And I
just want to feel good every day now and anything
I can do to invest in me feeling good from
life coaching, the therapist to plant, medicine to whatever, like
I'm I'm in on that because as you get older,
like you guys are forty yet.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
He's just I just turned thirty six. Yea, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
So when you turn forty, your warranty runs out, so
you better start investing and feeling good. You can get
away with it when you're younger, but for me it was,
you know, I've got a lot of kids to raise.
I've got to stay on the path. I got to
figure out what's happening. Yeah, that was. That was when
we were first to five piece.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Man. Yeah, it's fun when you're like twenty three, twenty four,
and then right around twenty five, every time I would
have like one or even two drinks, like the next day,
I just feel terrible forever. And then you have.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Kids, Yeah, you live, Your kids want to.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Play the next day, and you're just like that can't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Man, I should have stopped way sooner, not because I
had a problem with it, just because it was taken
away from things that matter. Yeah, and it doesn't. Nobody's
life gets worse because they quit, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
What would you tell like young artists who we have
the big time hustle mentality and you're kind of living
through those moments of probably discouragement, like when you leave
in New Orleans and everything else where you're feeling discouraged,
but also you're trying to balance it with that intensity
and focus to like stay locked in for the bigger picture,
to like keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Yeah, I mean if you're people always told me, like
I had to get a degree, You have to get
a degree, You have to have a plan B. I'm like,
if I'm putting energy into plan B, I'm not putting
it into plan A. The people that succeed are the
ones that never give up, no matter what anybody says.
Unless you have the grit to be able to do that, Yeah,
you can't. You can't quit and give up. And you

(01:28:18):
got to be really good to everybody along the way.
That's the way you treat people is a direct result
in your environment that you keep. Your environment of your
friends and people. If you don't keep expanders around you
as your friends, if you've got people you and boys
a long time but whatever, they love to get trashed
and whatever, if you slip off into that world with them.
So you have to really be tight with your circle

(01:28:38):
and that that will directly determine your success. The environment
that you keep, keep the things around your house that
help you feel healthy and feel good. Like I turned
all my bars into like you know, tea and juice
and you know, smoothie bars and stuff like that. So
I still have something I can go make that I like,
but it's different context, you know. But I wish that
I had learned sooner. And I tell people this, like,

(01:29:00):
try to stay out of debt, treat everybody like gold.
Be around people that are really good at what you
want to do so you can learn from them. Clean
their toilets, bring them coffee, do whatever you got to
do to be around those people. And you got to
work your ass off, like there's no shortcut, there's no way.
People that get made super famous on YouTube overnight and
stuff like that, like you're happy for them. But the
dues that I paid grinding as much as I have

(01:29:22):
made me appreciate people so much, and that love is
all the way through my crew and my people, Like
everybody's job is equally as important as mine, and they
come to bat for me. And Charlie Daniels is one
of my favorite quotes. He was like, my greatest accomplishment
is having thirty seven of my friends helped me for
thirty five years, like play music and do that. So

(01:29:43):
the team that I have, the people around me, you
can't buy culture, and you can't buy momentum. You have
to build those things for yourself, and then every decision
you make is a crossroads. Yeah, and there's so many
times just one decision could have changed things. But even
when you get beat up or whatever, you got to
get back up and keep going or you're not going
to make it. So there are people that are like, yeah,
I think I want to do music. It's like, now
you better fucking know, right, You better give it everything

(01:30:05):
you got, and you better learn everything you can from
anybody around you, you know, and only listen to people
that are doing better than you, because there's all these
people and they want to tell you how to create,
what to do whatever. The people that write reviews on
shit and slam other people's stuff have never done anything
in their life to fucking create anything. Those are the
people they hide behind their screens. They'd never come up
to my face and say this stuff. But they're the

(01:30:26):
ones that are always tearing you down. And it's you
got to be resilient. And I think when you have
a big light that you're trying to shine out there,
there's forces that are always going to try to be
distracting you from who you are and what you're doing.
And you just got to not let that steer your
joy and try to keep going. I'm no master of that.
I deal with stuff all the time. I'm like really
like again, like, but it's I know that it's my

(01:30:48):
cross to bearer and as the leader, and it's really
not up to the fan. Fans shouldn't have to know
they're struggle and all that. They just know that they
come to a show and they get an amazing experience
and they can come back the next time. And it's
competitive in that way. If you're not doing something that's
special every time you come back to a city, if
you play the same show, they're not going to keep
coming back. So you got to keep reinventing what you're
doing and how to engage and have a great show.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
On that note, matter of fact, my wife and I
when we were dating, you were You guys were the
first concert we went to together as a couple, and
I your boy was fired up. When Inner sand Man
comes into the fold, can you talk about, you know,
mixing over into that genre you're you're covering. You got
Inner sand Man going to Metallicon, next thing you know,
they're playing at your shows.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Yeah, for sure, it's you know, I love those curveballs
where you play things that people would never expect you
to play, Like we'll pull out some rage or we'll
pull out some Beastie boys or pull out something. I
love being able to just play what I want to play.
There's nobody is telling me I can't do that, or
I can't record this, or I can't do that. But
for us dynamically, like, there's not a lot of people

(01:31:52):
that just love one little type of music in one thing.
There's some purists, but a lot of people like we're
exposed lots of things like I love good hip hop,
I love good DM I love good jazz, good swing,
good whatever it is. That's that's going on. And so
we make the music we want to make. But in
our live shows, if you haven't seen our bands one,
you have to see to kind of get it and
understand what it is. And it's different every time we come.

(01:32:14):
But you know, there's gonna be things that we're going
to play that no one would expect us to play, Like,
oh my god, what are.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
They when saw looked over, Wow, what do you know
about this rout?

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
For the first dates? Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. I love
that you talked about every decision you may make as
a crossroads when you're going through the path that you're
going through. What are some decisions that you might have
made in the past that you would change now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Man, I think maybe maybe opening my mouth a little
bit about how I feel about certain things, Like I
definitely have strong opinions. I'm definitely you know, as far
as music goes, Like I can respect that somebody has
their hustle and a lot of people love it. I
might not love it, but I think I shouldn't maybe
looking back on some of the things, I shouldn't really

(01:32:58):
talk about how I feel about other people's craft necessarily
just because it doesn't do it for me. It doesn't
mean that it's bad, and I try to preface it
with that. But I'm a music snob in the sense
that I want to hear something that moves me. I
want to be inspired by it. I want to hear
somebody say something in a way that hasn't been said
with the right melody, with the right harmony, with the
right thing to move me. So I definitely think there

(01:33:22):
are times when people have asked my opinion on things
and I didn't think that that was going to be
shared out to the fucking world that did that got
shared out, and it was like, that wasn't my intention
to do that was to try to, you know, say
something you know about somebody else's craft. You know. I
think there's a couple of times where I wish I
had just not shared my opinion about it on things.

(01:33:43):
So I try to be a little more aware of that.
But it's also the level of sensitivity that's required these
days compared to when I grew up, is, you know,
it's crazy now the level of sensitivity a lot of
the world has. But hopefully it's swinging back the other
way a little bit. I see some good hope and
good things. And I'm a big comedy fan, so I

(01:34:04):
grew up with listening to Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy
and you know, George Carlin and things, and seeing the
zuber sensitivity of the last few years. And now it
seems to be lighting up and people can just do
things for a laugh again, like we need to laugh,
We need Music is medicine, Laughing is medicine, and those things.
So I love those things too, and I write like

(01:34:26):
some dirty, raunchy songs. My sense of humor is dark,
like I have a dark sense of humor, yea, and
I love it. That's what keeps us laughing and going
down the road. But my heart is solid gold, like
I don't. You know. I never want to do anything
at the expense of someone else, you know. And I
think sometimes in the past, when I've talked about certain things,
that's something that maybe that I would change. But I
would also not try to do eighty businesses at one time.

(01:34:50):
I would be more singularly focused on the things that
are the best use of my time. You know, you
drink out of a fire hydrant. I try to have
a record label, had a huge building with like one
hundred and sixty five thousand square feet where I was
manufacturing things, manufacturing knives and leather bags and see and
See woodshops, see and See metal shop, and all of

(01:35:10):
our graphic artists, our film company, all of our accountants,
had an autobody shop in there. We did like custom
vehicles and things like that and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Literally everything everything more and trying to be a dad.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Yeah, r to write music.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Yeah, I would have definitely simplified things a lot. But
I think that's something that I had to learn on
my own that you know, you only have so much time,
and if you can't do something really well, which takes
a significant amount of your pod chart, if your time
is a pod chart, those things take up time. And
if you have so many things, just because you can
do something doesn't mean you should. You can collaborate with

(01:35:45):
somebody that's already making it or doing it or doing something,
and like be creative in a way that you want.
But I'm an artist, like not just in music, that's
just one of the mediums. That's the medium I've spent
the longest time on. But I like to make things.
I like to create things, and I'm always studying gear,
like people's people's gear that they make, Like as far
as the knives go, like I would forget knives, and

(01:36:06):
there would be one thing I hated about it. I
love the knife, I hate the clip or I love
the clip, hate the knife. And so I wanted to
fix that, Like all the things that I know functionally
that a knife should be, I want to make that.
So we did it, American made, and you know, but
it's but it's hard. It's hard for knife makers right now,
especially because like Instagram took all knife makers off. They

(01:36:26):
don't allow it on there. You know, they consider it weapons.
And really so so many great knife makers right now
don't really have a market a marketing vehicle to broadcast
and sell the things that they make anymore. That's part
of the sensitivity for things. But you know, I've carried
a knife in my pocket since I was five years old,
and I feel naked without one.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Well, five years old doesn't feel very responsible.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
I did. I want my pocket everything I want to.
I didn't take it out, I didn't brandish it. I
wasn't like showing it off to other kids. But I
had one, and I just like knowing, Yeah, that's our
site there for Sunday different.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Stuf Zachary, give you the knife before you go to school.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Mom, Come on, I love the clip.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
I love the knife. Gives it to and then grabs
one in a little secret space for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Yeah, figure out how to say no when everything's kind
of going your way. It's got to be a very
difficult thing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
They know a lot to be saying yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Everyone's want. Everybody wants something from you. You have you
believe in your head because you're younger, you're like, I
can do everything, And they say yes to so many things,
and all of a sudden, you have so many irons
and so many different fires, and it's like, what what
do you really have time for? Because everything's kind of
turning on is okay?

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Not great? You don't have time to take care of
yourself right, And and you have to look every few
years and redefine what success means to you currently, because
at first it was like, Okay, how do we get
number one songs on the radio? How do we do that?
And then we built a whole team to be able
to do that and did that for six years, and
then it just you don't get a number one song
because you have a good song. You get one because

(01:37:54):
you serviced every major company out there and giving them
free shows and free things and showing up and done it,
and then you have a good song too. That's that's reacting,
But giving that much away. When I had little ones
at home for so long, I just got to the
point where I was like, I don't care how it
affects my you know, the amount of money that I make.

(01:38:15):
I care about just being a sane human being. And
I had to disconnect from it for four or five years,
so I stopped doing all of those things and just
focused on playing shows because you become a politician, you
become you know, it's all political, all of those things.
If you're gonna win an award show, it's because you're
with a label that has a huge voting chair and
the amount of votes that go to that thing, and

(01:38:37):
then they trade with another label that has, like they
might want dis labels votes for their artists that they
don't not competing in and they will trade their votes
and things. So you look behind the curtain on a
lot of those things, and I'd just rather not be
someone's horse than to have to go, you know, be
the monkey they let out of the cage and tell
you what to do, what to create, how to create it,
and all those things. We're never going to win Entertainer

(01:38:59):
of the Year or anything like that or whatever because
we're not part of those We're not one of their horses.
And they do a great job glorifying their artists and
the perception of public perception of those people by doing that.
But for us, I mean, we sell out stadiums and
that's an award for us every night, and I try
to remind my band of that because they'll invite us

(01:39:21):
to come and nominate us, but we're they want to
have a chance in hell and winning, and it's always
disappointing for my band. And I'm like, hey, like we're winning.
We win because we get to do what we want
to do, be ourselves, play the music, connect to our
fan base, which no one can take away from us,
and it's just a different kind. It's it's how you
measure it. You know, how you measure your success, and

(01:39:41):
it's always a moving target and always feeling out. So
this was a year where I was like, we need
a spectacle. We need something that's a big reminder to
cut through things because people can listen to a million
different things that's free on their phone. You get on
YouTube and listen to millions of different things.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
The access to music is bigger than ever.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
And so you need to have something to cut through that.
What are you going to do that's big enough to
make people pay attention and realize, oh shit, they're not
just complacent and slowing down and just like you know,
riding off into the sunset, Like we're pushing the boundaries
of what we can do for our fans. And that's
why we're doing Sphere. You know, the Sphere show December

(01:40:16):
is the is the biggest project we've ever taken on
by tenfold, and it's important to do something that's unforgettable
there to just remind people. I want to be in
that same you know, legacy era or legacy act as
like the Rolling Stones are the Grateful Dead, and that

(01:40:38):
what that requires is your community that you create around
your music and you're following and all those things. You
have to do something to keep them engaged, to keep
them going and artistically, this is the greatest canvas that's
ever been created for creativity and getting to do that
is a huge honor and it's a massive undertaking in
the middle of everything that's happening. So making this album,

(01:40:58):
finishing it, producing it the same night of the first show.
This Fear is the album release, So all the promo
this entire year is leading up to that first night
at the Sphere. But making great music. You know, I
feel better now than I did twenty years ago, Like
I feel, I feel great creatively. I've learned a lot.

(01:41:19):
I've learned a lot about producing, how to make the
music translate the way that I want leading the band,
and it's just it's cool. This is a cool year.
It's one of those years to bet on yourself because
it's not a big money making opportunity, but it's exposure
wise and prestige wise is the biggest thing that there is.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
Have you been able to check out a couple of
shows out the sphere.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
I've been a five buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
We were able to go to the UFC in September.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
That's my favorite sport, and then, my.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
God, it was it was like a Mortal Kombat scene
every single time, and they would change it and there'd
be a storyline that brought up both of the fighters,
like I've never seen anything like it. And you're watching
it and looking up, but then you look behind you
and there's even more going on behind you that it's true,
like almost a three hundred and sixty degree view of
all these incredible things. It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
I love Dana that Dana did that there. UFC is
my favorite sport, So I competed in judo in college
and then I learned about all of the positions and
everything in MMA and watching from like King of the
Cage like Super early on to watching Pride to watching
you know, UFC when it started. But I've been like

(01:42:28):
a fan of it, like religiously if I watched like
I played football eleven years. I love football, but UF
sees my that's my jam, like religiously watch it all
the time. It's yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Well, and watching the evolution of the sport from back
when it was single disciplines of everybody coming in competing
with each other, and then jiu jitsu was just so
superior early on. But now everybody trains jiu jitsu. They
all trained wrestlingy all train moti, they all trained boxing,
they all train and now you've seen literally the worst
guy in the UFC would have killed everybody back in
those early UFC days just because of marrying of everyone's

(01:43:06):
discipline from all over the world.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Remember that first UFC was like the big fat guy. Yeah,
where he catches the kick.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Where he catches the kick in the mouth. We're thinking
of the same one. Do you know what I'm talking about?
JP JP's he's.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
Talking about Paul Varlins. Maybe the guy that got leg
kick to death.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
Yeah, well there's this, there's this lanky guy gets his
fat dude, he kind of catches him on all fours
and just slices him right there in the mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Or there's like no weight classes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
There's ways wearing a gee out there. Yeah that's Ken
Shamrock and uh oys Gracie right there.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Just putting the heel in the ribs. Mike, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's uh it's a sport like you play football for
as long as we have to play, and you're like, man,
we're really tough. And then you walk in and watch
those fights go down. If you I don't know if
you've ever been to one, but if you can go
check out ufc Apex like the smoothest, small little like
maybe like two hundred hundred people in there. The intimacy

(01:44:03):
of that fight is crazy. It's just like family and friends,
right and people come in you can hear every blow.
He literally put a headset on and listen to them
the cornerstalk. It is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
And not that the dudes aren't the hungriest at the
top of the main event, but those are the those are.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
These They're all going for a knockout like they're going
for the kill every single time. It's a it's so
much fun. Man. We've been to I don't even know
how many.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
Now. I love going to fights when I can go.

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
We're going out next week. I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was back then there was a
guy man your yard row who was just he was
like a sumo wrestler. He was like six hundred and
something pounds and he follow this dude, Keith Hackney, which
is like two twenty and he was like a ken
poke karate guy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
I mean the guy was curling like four plates, the
summer wrestler guy just just repping four plates like this
just just unbelievably strong. But that guy, like that's him,
that's the man. He first Hackney comes in and chops
him like a ridge hand on his nose, knocks him

(01:45:04):
down and then breaks his hands like smashing it on
the back of his head because he couldn't get up.
But you can watch the first part of this, uh
first part of this fight right here. This dude just
in the middle, he's six hundred pounds.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
You don't say.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
That is there. It is right there, right in the nose.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
And he's down and then oh no, rules, he gets
get out. He got out.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
And then and then he couldn't get up and he
broke his hand smashing trying to punch. This guy's head
was like a rhinoceros, froze it out of the cave,
broke the cable ties on the cage.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Just wearing clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
Yeah, he gets he gets him down again. He ends
up winning, but he couldn't compete further because this is
back when his brackets you time tonight, no way back
when it was like Dan seven days and guys like that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
That are guys get done.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
He went down again. And now look right here, this
is way he broke his hand. There's no gloves, the
wrists aren't taped.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
He's just getting just straight.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
This is blood on the back of that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
Yeah, this is just this is cock fighting. Yeah, whipping
that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
That's John McCarthy to John McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
Then I love this sports so much. This is my
favorite and getting to hang with the fighters. So I
was telling y'all, I think from I've never lost a
game of slaps in my life. And so you put
your hands here, one guy's here, one guy's here, and
you have to hit their hands and when you miss,
it's the other person's turn, and whoever gives up first loses.
But I've been playing with some of the UFC fighters,

(01:46:46):
like we'll go to the fight and hang out beforehand,
like I played with Diego Lopez and some of the guys.
But it's it's it's a super fun game. And I
love watching the slap fighting too. So fun.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
You'll go get the UFC guys beat them again. Oh yeah,
and you know too, they're sleeping video evidence of this.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
Yeah, it's on.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
It's online of you beating them in slaps. Yeah, okay,
pull it up.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Sure, he said, looking at his eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
And you said you competed in jiu jitsu.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Yeah, I was on a judo team, uh, in my college.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
So that begs the question of all the musicians out
there that are around your age and weight class, is
there anybody you think that would give you a run
for your money in the octagon.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Oh, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:47:25):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
I don't. I don't roll anymore because my fingers fair
so you're gonna rip your fingers on Gee's and stuff too.
So I don't roll anymore. But I love I love
to watch it, and I'll play slaps with somebody. That's
that's my game. I'll play. But you're slapping each other's
hands instead of each other's faces.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
Yeah, yeah, we would, uh in high school, we would
do like during camp, we would do, uh, like all
the freshmen that get us all together make us do
like slap boxing, and then we'd all go into like
somebody's room and then you two you have to slap
box each other. Sitting there as the first one being
like please, God, don't want to do this, right, but
then you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
You're a giant, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Yeah, but I was like Mic from Monsters, Inc. Dude,
I was like kind of round in the middle of
skinny old limbs. I got my ass tossed around a
little bit. I'll be honest, but yeah, it's not as
much fighting as I can.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Do me and.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Just put both of our names there.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Yeah, let's say we got to see it.

Speaker 6 (01:48:28):
So you start start hands on the head.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Hands on the head, the other person puts their hands down,
and if you if you separate your hands more than
like four or five times, then the other person who
can change hands. So then you got to keep it
together if you've already given your whiffs or whatever. But
you read when they're going to do it, and it's
just straight straight down slapping their hands and you try
to slap them as hard as you can. But there

(01:48:50):
are people that are just tough and wouldn't give up.
I play with one of the dudes. It was an
American Gladiator, remember they guy Wolf that was like you
ever watch American Gladiator?

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
I remember, I remember watching American Glady.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
I played with him and he wouldn't give up. And
his hand was like swollen that far bus at all
the blood vessels in his hand, and he just he
wouldn't give up. And I'm like, it hurt my hand
from slapping him. Yeah, he's a he's that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Yeah, yeah, he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
He wasn't, but he was just tough. He's just like,
I don't care if you break my fucking hand. You know.
It was not giving up. But he was singing a
county of music for a little while. He's got this big,
like deep voice, So he was hanging out around Nashville
for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
That's awesome. Love and fear, What do people have to
look forward to? And do you feel a sense of
like nerves knowing the expectation of Zach Brown band coming
out with this.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
New album, not at all. I've bled over this album
and these recordings and all of the press and all
the content for Spear and all the things. So I'm
super proud of it. I was proud of this as
any record I've ever made. Spend a lot of time
writing and a lot of time producing it and arranging
it with my band, and I love it. Every three
years you get a snapshot of like the best songs
that I've written in that amount of time, and but

(01:49:59):
having a Snoop on song, having Dolly on a song,
and then I wrote with Dave Grohl on one of
the tunes. It's uh, I love it. Those are my babies, man.
The songs are like your babies you chase. I chase
songs all the time, chasing them all year long. And
then the best ten or twelve or thirteen or whatever

(01:50:20):
you put on an album every two or three years.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Yeah, dude, isn't it We were saying it before we
got on, But isn't it wild that you've like owned
a decade of music? Like do you ever have those
big perspective moments And it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
Yeah, I'm always focusing on COVID was the first time
that I slowed down enough where I actually could reflect
on what I've done. Because I'm always moving forward. I'm
always like where we're going, not where we've been, But
I wouldn't want to have to figure it all out again.
I know that, right.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Yeah, when you have a level of success, when you
look back on it, it's like I can't believe I
did all that. That's awesome, But then the thought of
like if I had to do it again, could I Yeah,
I know, yeah, because there's so many trials. Man, that
is I thought you were I thought you were a dog.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
I am, she's going on. I got a daughter going
to UT. Okay, I got a daughter going to UT
and I got a daughter going to Georgia Tech.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
So now I'm oh my god, Georgia it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
Yeah, part time yellow Jacket, part time Longhorn, but always
a dog unless I mean Texas is playing the dogs,
I'm going dog.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
It's a house yeah, house divided for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
I like that last game of the year I got
to play Georgia Tech.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
Yeah last year. That was a crazy match. That quarterback
almost gutted it out for us.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
There you can get sneaky man. Georgia Tech solid. They're
a good squad.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
But like question, I think I'm thinking of a there's
a couple more bruin in my brain. Go ahead, brew Way, dude.
When you were when you were writing, Like when you're
writing music, what is the like emotional process like to
where you're writing for healing or like writing to like
open up an old wound, Like what is that? What
is that? I guess overall process like for you, sometimes

(01:52:02):
it's like are you diving into something? You're like, Oh,
I kind of want to back off of this.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
You know, it's a good that's a good question. It
happens all different kinds of ways. Sometimes you'll finish the
song in two hours. Sometimes I'll sit on a song
for eleven years until I have the right line that's missing.
It's sometimes it's about something personal to me, but maybe
from a different perspective. Like there's a song on the

(01:52:25):
new album that's coming out. It's called thank You for
Loving Her, and it's a love song basically telling the
guy that got her next, like thank you for taking
care of her because I care about her even though
it didn't work between us. So when I find something
that hasn't really been done, I've never heard anybody write
a love song to the other guy that ends up

(01:52:46):
with her, right, Yeah, So it's for me, it's always
what what do I have to say if we have
a conversation and something said and I'm like, that's something
that I believe in. How do I turn that into
a phrase? How do I make that a hook of
a song? It? Man, it happens all different kinds of ways.
Sometimes you have a melody, you have a guitar part,
and you're like, you write something to sing to it.

(01:53:06):
Sometimes you just come up with the melody of what
you want to hear and then you put the words
into it. A song kind of finds you in a
weird way, like it's there's bits and pieces of things.
But I like to go somewhere really beautiful, like on
my spearfishing trips. That's usually when I write, like, We'll
go somewhere beautiful, spearfish all day, come back, hang around,

(01:53:29):
sip the guitars and buy the ocean and write. You know,
being somewhere really beautiful helps with inspiration to write. But
you know, some songs are just to be Like the
Snoop song we have on there, that's a song about
smoking herb and it's like if my mom have a
song about that, we got to get Snoop on it.
That's the purpose of that's not as deep. But then
there's songs. There's one on this new record called the Sum,

(01:53:50):
and that's like, as far as I can see, the
way that you choose to live your life no matter
what other people says or does, you have to you
let me explain the lyrics of it. So it says
no good deed goes unpunished and no turn left unstoned.
So I find sometimes the people that I've done the
absolute most for are the ones that feel somewhat entitled

(01:54:15):
to ignite some greed or at nite something where they're
coming back and then next thing, you know, if things
don't work out and they're gone, they're the ones trying
to like extort you. And people ask me like, well,
how do you ever trust anybody? But I think all
that is a test to see if that's going to
change your fabric of who you are, if you get
jaded by other people's behavior and it changes the way

(01:54:35):
you handle things. I like to err on the side
of generosity with people always because I know I did
everything in my power to do it, So even necessarily
if that person doesn't necessarily deserve that, I like to
do it because I know I did the right thing.
And this is the song about that and it's you know,
no turn left unstoned. It's like sometimes when you're trying
to do the most amount of good is when you

(01:54:58):
the shit falls and flies on you than anything. So it's, uh,
you can't let those things change you. And I made
a reference on there. You know, if if we try
to act like Jesus and end up on the cross,
remember we can rise again no matter what we lost.
It's like, I think being a good person is doing
the right thing even if someone doesn't deserve it, and
knowing that's who you are, and not letting the amount

(01:55:19):
of times that people come stab you in the back
change the fabric of who you are. And that's the
sum of who we are, all the hardship we've learned,
the dumb shit we've done, and learned not to do
that anymore, like the breaking we have of ourselves and
the healing that we have, Like we're the sum of
those two things. That's the sum of who we are.
Is like and you need the dark to see the stars,
so all the bad things that happen help you really

(01:55:41):
appreciate all the good things and the good people and
the good things like that, so that one's as deep
as any song I've ever written, and that's on that'll
be out on the seventeenth of this month. That one
and the one I'm with Marcus King.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
It's coming out, Oh Marcus King. Yeah, that's awesome man.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
Yeah, do you explain it to is incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
I was just gonna say, it's really cool to have
you on the bus. A massive fan. I know you've
got a lot of massive fans. You have the vacation
songs and everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
You guys are crushing it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
They appreciate that crush. Thank you, thank you. It's because
of guys like you that are wanting to come on
the show. That's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:56:10):
Likewise, you're helping me spread spread my messages too, and
and uh, you know the show at the Sphere and that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:16):
We gotta make it. Well, we should go out to
one for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
You should. You should.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
It's the Spear Spear Fishing, so they just do a
little relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
We have a rock song on the album called Animal,
and I got Brock Lesnard to come out and film
with me, and there's a full like Marvel movie fight
between me and Brock in this scene. He's like part
of my like alter ego. Basically, because we fight between
being an animal and a civilized man all the time internally,
Like there's times when we just want to punch somebody,

(01:56:46):
but we don't because we shouldn't and we can't. So
but there's that part of us that's doing it. So
it's like me splitting into two people and it's me
and Brock and we fight each other and then we
come back to.

Speaker 5 (01:56:57):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
Did challenge Jason now the into at slap fight. He's like,
there's better ways to make money. I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
Was yeah, man, two wolves. Better be a warrior and
a gardener and a garden than a gardener in a war.
All those phrases, man, they all play.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
Well, those are songs, man, that's what Those are things
that you hear and you're like, I can make that
a story, can make that apply. And you try to
write something so it applies. If it applies to me
and it hits me really deeply, if I'm doing it right,
You're gonna feel a resonance in your life of what
I'm writing about. That's why Great Country Songs is like
the last true form of American poetry that people like

(01:57:35):
actually listen to. I mean, there's some people I'm sure
into poetry still, but you hear a good song, it's timeless,
like a good song will live on and on. So
that's what I'm chasing. That's that's what I'm chasing. That's
my main medium. But that's how I've been able to
build a camp that's and help kids and help veterans
and raise my family. So I encourage young people to
take find something when when you find what you want

(01:57:55):
to do, don't chase money. Stay out of debt so
you can chase that now with everything you have, but
find something to give back that you believe in, and
start that early on in your journey, because that's going
to directly feed your success and feed a bigger cause
other It's something bigger than yourself, because serving you can
be People think they're happy when they're rich and have

(01:58:17):
cars and a nice house and all this shit or whatever.
That's not what makes people happy. What really makes people
happy is serving other people. And until you do that
and learn that and align it with your business, then
you're you're kind of missing out on a lot of
the meaning. I feel like we're here to sharpen each other,
We're here to help each other, raise each other up.
Expand each other, help each other to be better. That's
in my tribe, in my world. That's what I try

(01:58:39):
to keep around me. But that's served me really well.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
Well said, that's awesome. That is you want to hit
them with the bud light.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
Well, I do have one question. Okay, of all the
songs that you have are out right now, what's the
one song you're most proud.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
Of right now? It's the song with Dolly Parton. It's
called Butterfly's First Song. I wrote on the piano because
I can play piano, but I don't really write on it.
So I sat down and tried to write a song
and that's what came out, and song for my kids.
But having Dolly the legend absolutely murder it. When you
listen to what she sang on that and how she

(01:59:12):
sang it, you wouldn't know she was twenty five or eighty.
It's it's unbelievable that that one is one right now
that I'm so crazy proud of. And I just love
her and everything she stands for. She's done so much
in philanthropy as well with her career. Just an incredible
woman and.

Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
She's truly one of one, and she's hot yeah, kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
She's about to be eighty years old and she's hot,
and she's still as talented as any human on the earth.

Speaker 3 (01:59:38):
She's awesome, man, I do it Like when I was
with the Titans, there was those fires in Gatlinburg and
they were doing like a telethone for it. Yeah, so
the Titans, the Amy adamstung. She gave like, I don't
know if it was like a fifty thousand dollars check
or whatever, but me and Drell Casey presented it to
her on stage and she kissed me on the cheek.

Speaker 5 (01:59:54):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:59:55):
I went home and I was like, this is one
of the biggest moments of my life.

Speaker 1 (01:59:59):
Yeah, it was unbelievable. It is.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
She is such an icon.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
Man. Some of those fires, I sent my food truck
up there and we fed people. That was back when
I used to do eating greets. So every single show.

Speaker 3 (02:00:09):
We agreed is a great idea.

Speaker 1 (02:00:12):
We set up. We had a feather like tractor trailer,
a million dollar kitchen that was an attractor trailer, this
full self contained, full twelve foot vent hood tilt skillet
walk in freezer in the front of it. But we'd
feed people every single show that we did. We'd have
one hundred and fifty fans and sponsorship people and people
like that. We'd feed them. We had a local chef

(02:00:32):
and a bus that had hospitality people that ran. It
was like throwing a wedding every day. We did that
for six years on the road, and it got it
got it got a little bit dangerous where there were
some crazy people that were coming in. And sometimes when
it literally felt dangerous, like this lady just gotten out
of jail. She'd been writing letters about it. If I
can't have him, no one can kind of thing, and
coming in and the lady's pacing behind me while I'm

(02:00:54):
talking to people, and the access it gave got a
little sketchy after a long time. But that's what we
threw every single show for six years, and and they
go to local farms and whatever town we're in, whatever
state we're in. In Ohio. Our chef, Rusty, he's this big,
huge personality, that's him Cajun chef. He's hilarious. But he
would go get local protein, local produce and come back

(02:01:16):
and we would cook it up for everybody and serving
food and just to show them that we're one of
the people. And it was a great connector for us
and our fans. It was. It was a lot of work,
but it was it was great.

Speaker 3 (02:01:25):
That's awesome. And that is also terrifying somebody getting out
of prison writing letters about I was gonna kill me.
That is that the scariest interaction.

Speaker 1 (02:01:34):
That one was. And she was pacing behind me saying,
I can't go back to jail. I can't go back
to jail. I can't go out to jail. And like
her eyes is shifty and the whole thing dude like ship.
But it was, Yeah, it was sketchy a few times
like that, and I was like, Okay, we can't do
this anymore, like it's just another thing that you know. Yeah,
but we sent that food truck to Gatlinburg when that happened,

(02:01:54):
and we fed all the first responders and all the
people during the fires, and we had people slinging food
out of there for a couple of weeks for them,
great people up there. It's a veriable like.

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
Look at old Rusty. Know.

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
I love the pitt up girl too, Jef.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
Rusty Russ is a dog and that's some good food
or serving too.

Speaker 3 (02:02:12):
Man, All right, bud light question right. People would do
anything for an ice, cold, bud light. What is something
that you, Zach Brown, would do anything for.

Speaker 1 (02:02:22):
Besides my kids, I can't say family. I can't say
my family. Man. I think I would. I would. I
would do anything to help people. I think that's that's something.
Like I'm not one of those guys that's gonna watch
somebody get stabbed to death and stand there and film it. Like.
I don't understand that I would have to jump in.
I don't have a choice, but but I would. I

(02:02:46):
would do something to help someone. If I saw someone
getting hurt or whatever, I would definitely jump in to
try to help. Like, I don't know if that's the
most interesting answer, but it's it's true. You know, I
protect my people with my business, you know. And I
don't want to make my decisions based on fear. That's

(02:03:06):
the whole concept of loving fear. You're making your decisions
on things. If you let fear govern what you're gonna do,
you're not gonna do anything great. You gotta you gotta
be tough enough to suck at what you're doing long
enough to be good at it and then keep plowing,
keep going. I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
I do too, Bro, This has been amazing. Yeah, I
really appreciate you. My pleasure, massive fans.

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
Let's go spearfishing.

Speaker 3 (02:03:31):
Let's go spearfishing. Let's do that. All the boys get down.

Speaker 2 (02:03:35):
There, he said, I want to see you again.

Speaker 3 (02:03:40):
I'm snucking cold the Weaver.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Maybe tomorrow. He's like, can I call?

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
That's one of my favorites. I've been waiting to write
a song that's the follow up to that. And that
is the song. Oh really, the songs our follow up.
That new song Sonny about that's the follow up the
Colder Weather.

Speaker 2 (02:04:02):
So there's a sequel.

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
There's a sequel.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
Nice, Oh that's sick.

Speaker 3 (02:04:07):
It comes out the seventeenth. Ye October is the best spook.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
And what's that? What's that song called the the s
u M?

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
Do you have any special feelings about the holiday? Halloween?

Speaker 1 (02:04:18):
I love Halloween?

Speaker 3 (02:04:19):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (02:04:20):
I love? It's my favorite holiday?

Speaker 3 (02:04:21):
Are you serious?

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
Favorite?

Speaker 2 (02:04:22):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:04:23):
Buddy, that's We're We're Spooptober podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
If you would if you would have came next week,
this bus would have been decked out.

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
Fake love Halloween? Really love it?

Speaker 3 (02:04:34):
Do you still?

Speaker 1 (02:04:35):
I mean? I'm covered in Day for the Dead artwork.
It's all the way, this whole arm is all I
got dead. Bob right here, Bob Marley, the whole dealer
with Maritas, Day of the Dead, Halloween World is my chance.

Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
I love it. Man.

Speaker 1 (02:04:49):
That's fit that we were So that's you, that's me.
So that whole suit was airbrushed with black light paint
so it looked like a normal blue suit plane. But
then we're playing and literally hit to turn the lights
off and the black lights on and then we're human
skeletons playing music. Yeah, that's one of our gigs. The
whole band was like that. I was tied into a harness.
They picked four of us up off the ground and

(02:05:10):
I would like fly out over the crowd and the
free skeleton suits. A spear is all the gags and
stuff we've pulled on steroids because nobody's about nobody's about
to expect what we're doing there. That's what we look
like under black lights. We all had custom masks that
were made.

Speaker 3 (02:05:26):
Dude, that is so awesome. Yeah. The Sphere, if this
is anything with the Sphere is gonna be like, it's
gonna be ten out of ten.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
It's gonna be sick.

Speaker 3 (02:05:33):
What any Halloween traditions you have?

Speaker 1 (02:05:39):
We used to do like a trunk or treat at
the kids and stuff. We used to just have all
our friends come, bring their cars and set up trigger
treats and stuff like that around. But now the tradition
is going over to Trilith, the neighborhood that's that my
kid's mom lives in, and they have huge neighborhood. There's
like fifteen hundred houses that are ten feet apart from
each other. So literally just fill up a trash bag

(02:06:02):
full of ship. You know. But when I was a kid,
I would I would hide pods of candy all over everything.
Nobody told me as a kid, I shouldn't eat all
this garbage and stuff, so I was just going nuts
with it.

Speaker 3 (02:06:14):
Yeah, yeah for real Halloween.

Speaker 2 (02:06:16):
Yeah the next week.

Speaker 3 (02:06:18):
Yeah, let's go ride a plus run a plus Zack Man,
this has been all Thank you guys, appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
Sho d amazing man Likewiseross.

Speaker 3 (02:06:26):
I'll make sure you subscribe. Big hugs, tiny kisses,

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