February 5, 2025 • 32 mins
Trysta hopped for her weekly chat in Sacramento, where, obviously, the focus is De'Aaron Fox now being a San Antonio Spur. It didn't have to end this way. They also chat about Luka Doncic being traded to the Lakers, adding insult to injury.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
On this episode of the Hate Check, what is going
on out in Sacramento. We break it all down with
my guy, Kenny Carroway of Sacramento's ESPN thirteen twenty. We
cover the Deer in Fox trade in detail, what I
thought about it, what's next for the Sacramento Kangs, and
we talked about the Luca trade even more as more
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details starts to trickle out.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Fun, fun show. Anthony dropped that motherfucking beat that should.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Be Rihanna.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Appearing on the Dlo and Casey Show in Sacramento is one.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Of my favorite things. I've running the fans of the
show everywhere from New York City to Alexandria to Vegas.
So the fan base since Sacramento is very strong and
they are heartbroken right now. I joined Kenny Carroway and
it was super fun discussion. I'm publishing it here so
you can get all the tea and how I feel
about Deer and Fox along with somebody who covers the
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team on a day to day basis, as well as
the rest.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Of the NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Many thanks to Kenny. Damien was out and a super
producer Jesse. Let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Oh my goodness is bringing testing because Tristan will love
this conversation. Trista, what's going on with your girl? What's
not much? Not much? Are you in an airport? Are
you in another lounge?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Got shut down? That Centurion lounge got shut down? Wait
what the Atlanta Centurion MX lounge got shut down?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
What is my wife?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's my internet?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Really bad?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
No, No, you're you're good now. It's it's working its
way in. You're you're good now. I hear you. You
sound great. How did the lounge get shut down?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
They found food?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
They found bugs in the food.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I'll shut you down, man, that'll do it. That'll do it.
You fix that before you ever see me steping foot
in there.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And they like make you pay for guests and everything,
like I don't know what they're on.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It's not like a free thing.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's not like, oh you should just you just be
happy you have a place.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It's like, no, the card is the fee on the
car is why I had this?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, let me in. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
It was like a waiting of like bugs and of food.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
That's crazy. Yeah, I'm glad you got out of there
when you did. That was like what a week ago?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Two weeks ago, two weeks ago. Yeah, we're in New
Orleans right now.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
That's right. You did say you're in New Orleans. So
you're in a cafe do Moon right now?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
No, I'm in the up down cafe in the Garden District.
I was on the street car.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
My phone needed some juice, so I popped in here
to plug it in, get a little water and relax
my relax, my gators.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I hear you, I hear you. There's something else I
was gonna ask you. Oh so, I know the first
day you got there, you did a food critique. Is
that something that we've got to look forward to the
entire time? You're gonna trying a different food place? Yep,
every day. I might have missed it last two days,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, food every day.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Went to Melbour's yesterday, had some wing, chicken wings, mac
and cheese fries, crinkle cut. Pretty good for like a staple,
you know, like a run through it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Go to the window, grab some food. You know.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Crystal Hot sauce I think was founded here in New Orleans,
which I love Crystal Hot sauce.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, yeah, shout out to the know you man, that's
what that's what the family is man, It's all good.
Go get you a drive through Dacri at some point. No, yeah,
definitely not. I don't think you can get those in
the French quarters. Well you can get daker in the
French quarter, but the dray they like you go into
the city. Yeah, they got to drive through doakeries like
they got Burger king.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like it's crazy. I got that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, they said, oh no, the only way you can
do this is the drink and dry.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That's the only way this worked.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
It's been it's been four or five years since I've
been there. That was last time when I saw the
drive th I'm not sure they's still up, but I'm
I'm assuming they are. They've been there forever.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I saw them.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I mean I walked past them. They definitely still exist.
I'm just not going I'm just not interested in going in.
I went to this place called the La Petite Grocery today.
For those who are subscribing, full review is on the Instagram.
But I would just say it was incredible. It was
one of the better meals I've had in a long
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long time.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I ain't gotta lie to you. I gotta subscribe. I'm slipping.
That's my bad. Got it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
If my own mama can subscribe on the fixed income,
you can.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm subscribing. I just hadn't even thought about it, but yeah,
I gotta. I gotta subscribe to my girlth TK. All right, Trista,
you know this is crazy. All right? So let's where
we're the home or we're not. I shouldn't say that
we're Sacramento. You know what I mean. We're We're we
are king centric here. So let's start there. A lot
of people thought me and James Hamm were fighting yesterday.
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We weren't. But James ham is anti Zach Lavine, as
you guys saw by my unethical basketball team that Trista
put together. Oh, Zach wasn't on there, and I let
her know about that. I am pro Zach Levine. Sounds
like you might be anti Zach Lavine.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I think what my issue with Zach is is like,
do you really trust that what we're seeing this year
is what we're gonna see moving forward from him? And
he's had an excellent year, but it's also like the
last resort for Zach. Right, we know that when last
came around, they shut him down early. There was all
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these reports about his attitude with the team. He remember
he pushed the PR girl when she tried to stop
him from doing something, and so like, Zach kind of
just is not a He's not like a commensurate player
for winning, right, He's not the guy you think of
the lift you up, piece of certified bucket getter, and
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the type of buckets he takes are are sometimes really
tough ones. His efficiency, like you said on your Kids,
since the trade went down.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
His efficiency has been awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I just don't know for the money and really what
the consistency looks like for Zach, whether that's the kind
of guy I will want to trade for.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Right now, I get that this team needs.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
A sort of pets things together on the fly, right
like this was. This was not necessarily what the plan
was going into the season. And you can't just up
and rebuild. You've got Sabonus, you got Keegan Murray, you
have pieces on here that don't want you to start
rebuilding all over again. For the amount of money that
Zach is getting paid though, for that to be the
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only piece you get back, and essentially you're only getting
one good first round pick, which is the Minnesota Timberwolves
twenty thirty one pick. The twenty twenty seven San Antonio
pick is not gonna be very good at all. They're
gonna be a probably top five team in the West,
so I don't know what that's about. And then the
Charlotte twenty twenty five pick, I forgot early on that
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that was top fourteen protected, so that's not even gonna
be a first round pick.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You might as well just.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Call that two seconds. So it's two firsts and five seconds.
And I just don't really know if that's what a
Deer and Fox hall should bring when mckel Bridges, who
I don't think is as good as Deer and Fox.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I know that wings are more valuable in the league
than point guards are, and just guards in general. But
five first round picks for Michael Bridges and you get
two first round picks in Zach Lavine and you don't
get any other players to contribute when you need depths
on this team.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I just didn't so a.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Couple of things. I want to put a stamp in
Zach Levine real quick because I want to ask you
something about that or just talk to you about something
the Mike kel Bridges thing. I think that's a little
bit of an outlier. Yeah, because the Knicks wanted Mike
l and Brooklyn was like, all right, we'll trade you,
but you're not You're not getting regular market rate, Like
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it's gonna we gonna hit you over the head if
you want to do this, And the Knicks said, all right,
let's do it. And I think that's when you talk
about the picks and the compensation there, I think that
played a wrong. Now, that is the part of the
trade that I wasn't thrilled about. What the is the
assets and the draft picks they got back. I'm not
saying you have to get the Atlanta picked, that San
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Antonio house or anything, but like, man, he couldn't get
a little bit. You know better than that when you
talk about the draft picks. But I'll ask you. You
talk to a lot of people, and I think he
can go. I think I think he's the truth when
you talk about deer Fox. But do you think he
was His value around the league doesn't match up with
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what maybe Kings fans and people who follow the team
think his value should be.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, I think it's should I go out. I'm gonna
go outside.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Really, where the where the it's a little bit better
volume here, Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Mean we hear you good, but now we got the shad,
so it's all good kind of it's not loud. This
is free content too. By the way, you don't always
get this content, you know, you usually got to go subscribe.
But now we're getting a nice little it looks a
little overcast out there, looks a little overcast.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Sev seventy five.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
No, it's all good. It's all good.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Then, it's all good. It's all good. It's like seventy
two humidity. Is this better?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's great. It wasn't bad how it was before, So
that's all yeah. But yes, this is works too.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
So I think it's hard to know what Deeron Fox's
value is on the open market because there was only
one team that that Sacramento negotiated with, and that was
what kind of pissed me off, is like, what could
you get from Houston, What could you get from Miami,
What could you get from Orlando?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
What could you get from any team that needs a
guard right now?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And Deeran Fox's he's a top twenty player probably in
the league, top twenty five player in the league. But
at his best, he's not only a bucket getter, but
a clutchbucket getter. And I think people are kind of
being a little bit shady in terms of his three
point percentage because they say, oh, he's not a good
three point shooter, but he's improved his three point game
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a lot. So it's hard to say what his value
is around the league because all they were doing was
negotiating with san Antonio.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, and you know when when you got the rich
Pauls and you got the team saying, hey, like we're
only going to san Antonio. Letting that be known around
the league, I don't know how much you would get.
That also maybe takes away from his true value, right
Like if it was a true open market, maybe you
could get you know, somebody better than Zach Lavine. But
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when the market is stunted by him, you know, only
wanting to go to a certain place. And the other
thing about it was we saw this team on you know,
Tuesday and on Saturday, and how they looked distracted and dishoveled.
It's like, oh man, I'm not trying to do this
for another forty games, forty five games. You kind of
had to get him out of there, so they were
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kind of up against it. I believe in trying to
make a deal, and I actually think they did a
good job getting a guy like zach Lavine when you
consider they were kind of putting the crunch the way
they were.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But think about this outside of a salary matching component.
The Bulls last year were willing to attach a first
round pick to takes.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, I'm sorry. The people in the background selling you, hi,
young lady in the background, how you doing this is
ESBN thirteen twenty. No, this is hilarious. This is great.
I love New Orleans. I love New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Sorry she was in the mix?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Was she?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
She was in the mix?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But no, so so I thought they did pretty good
to get a zach Lavine back. But but you just but.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You got distracted by the cute little girl.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But the Chicago Bulls were willing to attach your first
round pick just to take zach Lavine.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
That's one first round pick for that. So what did
you really get?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So you got one first round pick for for de
Aaron Fox if that's how it all ended up shaking out,
and five second round picks. I know the second round
picks are getting more and more valuable in the league.
If you can find like a good a good GM
to be able to call through those assets and get.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
The kind of guy that you want.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And obviously that's like, that's critical if you're going to
try to package picks.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Together to get somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But I don't think Zach Lavine was When we spoke
last last week, Kenny, you said, if it wasn't Devin
Vessel and Steph Castle, you were it was unacceptable. Now
all of a sudden, we got people sort of trying
to like rationalize that this.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Is a good trade.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Know what happened was I saw I saw them play Tuesday,
and I saw them play Saturday, and I said, this
team is da as is like, so, so here's what
you want, Like I don't necessarily want to go into
the doldrums this year, like still try to make the playoffs,
like try to compete. I think that's how the organization
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is looking at it. Like you've got a responsibility to
Malik Monk, who just signed with you. You got a responsibility
to Marta Rows, and you got a responsibility to DeMont
to Sabonas who signed an extension and more importantly, you
got a responsibility to all these people that you up
the season ticket prices to like a like forty five
percent this year, to not say, hey, oh, out of nowhere,
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Dearreon don't want to be here, so we're gonna go
try and get Cooper flag. You got a responsibility to
these people. So you saw it, well, she agrees. So
you saw how they played on Tuesday, right after we spoke,
and then you saw how they played on Saturday, and
this team was dead. And at that point it was like,
(14:19):
all right, you gotta kind of adjust a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I'm not gonna take anything. If we can't get Stefan
Castle or Devin Vasel, go talk to Chicago. Cuse, get
me a zach Lavine or go talk to a zach
Lavine type. It didn't have to necessarily be him, but
I had to get somebody back to replace a lot
of what Daran was giving you, at the very least
on the offensive end moving forward. But you're right, I
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did say that before, but that was after saying this
this team is dead with Fox on the roster for
another forty games, Like, I don't want to live that life.
So he switched up.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, he switched up fast.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Did you see them play on Saturday night? I switched
up after the first scored. I was like, nah, this
is done. Can't do this.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, And that's the thing that I'm really I posted
this last night, I think it was last night yesterday.
I just find it to be very disrespectful how he's going.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Out, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, And and the farewell letter of oh I always
wanted to end my career here. I never thought it
would end this way, you know, fans, I just want
to let you know.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'm so grateful for you.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
First of all, compare that to Kavon's letter, Like Kvons
was like, oh, yeah, okay. It's like the difference between
a guy who breaks up with his girlfriend and tries
to convince the girlfriend she broke up with him and
a guy and a guy who gets broken up with
and tries to convince her like that he broke up
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with her and he started you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, a lot of people got it picked up on
the wording.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
On the wording there, it was like, well, if you
wanted to spend your whole career there, why are you
selling Why are you out there on the basketball court
not giving your all, why did you hire Clutch Sports
to begin with, which is notable for squeezing franchises. Why
did you make this contentious?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Why are you.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Pretending you did not say, hey, get me up out
of here. Why it didn't have to be this way,
It didn't have to be so toxic so fast. And
I think when you look at how he was to
this franchise and what we all thought twelve months ago
it would be and could be, well maybe a little
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more than twelve months ago the start of last season,
and what he did against the Warriors with a broken finger,
it just went left so fast, and he's he and
Clutch are responsible for it going left, like very in
terms of how he handled it. Now.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I don't think that the Kings have.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Surrounded him with maybe as much as he would want,
And Kenny, you've been very clear that like, how much
more do you want? But if they're telling him that
they're gonna do X, Y or Z and they don't,
there's a reason to be frustrated there if they can't
get deals done and he feels like they can't get
him done and he's getting the Dame treatment.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Where neil O'Shea was like, oh, we're gonna get CJ.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
McCollum and and not like a high value Marquee player
to be alongside him as a co star. But they
went and got DeMar de Rosen and that wasn't exactly the.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Most clean fit. That was somebody that was on the
market that they could go out and persuade to come there.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But he has a responsibility to live honorably and to
come and show up honorably, just as we hate Nico
Harrison for what.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
He did to Luca, like, I think.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
That the onus and the responsibility should go on on
Deer in terms of how he acted on way out too.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I agree. And this happened when I'm with Damien. I'm
not gonna involve I'm not gonna involve anybody. I'm not
gonna speak about nobody or nothing like that. But there
were when when.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
No, I know there were other factors involved.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, But what I'm gonna say is there were tweets
that were put out there that were, you know, trying
to kind of say like, oh, no, I don't know
what you're talking about. Nothing that ever happened. We didn't
ask for he didn't ask for anything. YadA, yah yah.
You combine that with the goodbye letter and the wording
and there. And my thought was like, hey, stop playing
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with us, man, Like, stop playing with us, Like we
don't know what we were seeing, what we were hearing,
what people were telling you. Guys were telling people like
stop playing Like if you if you wanted to go,
I'm not gonna look at you crazy, because like you said,
he has reasons because of being you know, lied to
or not being able to get it. Like fine, that's
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the reason, but don't mind us, and don't play with
us right now and say, oh we we wish we
would have been here forever. Nobody was telling you to leave.
What are you talking about.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, you had the opportunity to sign for the same
amount is you're going to sign anywhere else. You didn't
make all NBA, and so that caused you to think
about your life and your future. And maybe you're going
to Texas because there's no state tax. Maybe you're going
there for family reasons, to be.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Closer to where you grew up, closer to.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Where your family is on both sides of the aisle there,
and that that's fine, like you have that you have
that choice, that's that's up to you. But don't lie
about it, don't don't sell on the court and play poor, poorly,
or not give your full effort and tell us that
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you're not trying to leave and that we're getting it
all wrong. That's just that's to me, puts a sour
taste in the fans' mouth. And you've been there too
long to do that to the fans.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
That's all. That's always saying. One last thing that I
want to say about Zach Levine, which maybe maybe I'm
a maybe I'm just a sucker for a good story
or something like that. But he had his issues, you know,
previously in his career, whether it's injury, attitude, all this
other stuff. I posted the other day on Twitter, and
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I remember when this happened. I remember when I saw
this on media day, his media day talk like nobody
asked him a question and he had this long talk
about you know, I did some soul search. What you said?
What's good? What's good?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Do you hear that bumping?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Is that tweaker?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Do you If you had to guess what car that
was coming out of? What would you guess?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I would say.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
A like an old school That's what I would say
as well.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
That is not the case.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
It's a bug. What is a bug? A beetle? It's
a beetle. If that was coming it sound like they
were playing a tweaker. They were playing a little jello
coming out of there.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
That's crazy, that is insane.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And Buddy came out in the car and not looking
like he drives a beetle coming out like.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Go oh, man, never judge the book by his covery.
You got it, can't do it?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, you never know in these streets back to media
day and the good story go ahead.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, No, So Zach talked about Look, man, I had
to do some soul searching and I had to look
in the mirror, and you know, I want the past
to be the past. I'm moving forward in a positive direction.
And I only bring that up because he's done that,
like he has done that since then, and he's played
that way. He's handled himself as a professional like he
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said he would. And do you think it's it's possible
that maybe he has turned a different turn over a
new leaf in his career and this is the way
he is going to be moving forward.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, I think that's definitely possible. What I'll say about
Zach is you're right. He came in from the off
season and realized I could languish here in Chicago. I
could just spend the restless contract becoming a joke, sitting
on the bench, because Chicago wants to have a development
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situation with all their young guys. If they can't trade
me and they don't feel like they can boost my.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Stock, then what am I even really doing there?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
And then you get into a situation if your contract
is over and you've been playing that way or not
playing much at all, or in a diminished role, and
oh no, and no, there we go, and now your
contract moving forward?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Now your contract?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
What does he saying, don't know what is he talking about? Well,
don't say that, because then he gonna know that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You listen, it's not my business.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
He said, what you want over here? Hey, look you
want some of that grab over there?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Dad?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Hey, hey, look at that girl in the white shirt day.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So I think he had a wake up call. But
I think the good thing is that he knows that
the Sacramento Kings as a whole when he was his hottest,
when he was in the crossroads of his career for
a contract, the.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Sacramento wanted them.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
It's not like a, Oh, we just need the salary match,
you know, we need to get rid of Deer and Fox.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It's a fire sale and we want to figure it out.
It's no we wanted you to begin with.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So I think there's like a benefit to to that
situation for him as well.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I think he's gonna do good out here. Man. I
don't know what that results in. I don't know if
means like he can't play a.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Lick of defense, can he? I think that's cap.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I think that's cap'sk I think that's cap. I think
that's overblown. I don't think he's cool.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Tell me what his defensive rating is right now?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
James went over it yesterday. I think it's like, no,
I think it's like one sixteen or something like that.
It's it's uh, it's higher or worse than Foxes, right,
but yeah, somebody I think it was our guy, Bobby Gerald,
or maybe it was will Ze. They put out that
for their career. I think it's better than dearon Fox's
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like and it's like they're the same. It's like one
fourteen point five to one fourteen point three or something
like that. I think that I'm not saying he's I'm
in Thompson, but I think he's not Luca. He's not Luca.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
He's he's Luca.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He's not Luca. That's caps Luca. He's not Luca. He's
not Luca. But that's Luca.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Can sometimes put his body into people.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
This big body. That's a big, big body, a big body.
Let's go there, man, because this is this is crazy.
This is this is still crazy. Three four days later,
this is still crazy Luca getting traded to the Lakers.
Did you ever think there was any world that this
would have happened like now, like before he signed the extension,
like maybe later in his career, but now, did you
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think there was ever any world?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Remember when Mark Cuban said, if it was between me,
Luca and my wife, I'm serving her up divorce papers.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
That's what That's what he said.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So I never thought the MAVs would want to get
rid of somebody who is so marketable internationally and for
the city of Dallas, a guy who just took you
to the finals last year.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And I don't really care that he's fat. I don't care.
He doesn't look that fat.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Actually he's a big guy, and yeah, he's not shredded
that's that's not gonna probably ever be him.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
He's not going to be built like Lebron James.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But he can get you thirty fifteen and ten on
any given night, right, and he can put a team
on their back and score sixteen in a row and
dig you out of a deficit, win games. He's single
handedly probably won three playoff games last last playoffs himself, right,
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like that forty two point game he had game against
Minnesota Timberwolves with that step back, like he had.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Some more key moments. So no, I didn't. I didn't
imagine that that would happen.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I did know that they were frustrated by him, and
I guess I get that. But it does feel a
little personal. It feels like Nico Harrison if you sort
of dig into how things went over time, players that
Luca loved playing with that he just got rid of
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players that Luca wanted that they would not go out
and get and then they just like got Monty Morris instead.
It's like you, why don't you try at least to
keep Luca happy?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I don't know, and to do it for.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Anthony Davis, who if you have questions about durability and
you have questions about availability, and I know Anthony Davis
has been awesome and available a lot, despite the fact
that he's not available right now for the last eighteen months.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
He's not a particularly durable dude. He's they call him Anthony.
There is no Luca.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Nickname that shows that he's never on the court. It's
Anthony day to day Davis. It's skin of paper, bones
of glass like that is. Those are names that people
have given Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
We don't have any of those names for Luca.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
We have one of them.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Beat what Tubby called fat Luca.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Fat Luca, Okay, but he's on the court being fat,
giving you thirteen fifteen and ten thirty fifteen in ten.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Huka. That is another.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yea, who ka don They said he better he should
He had to have smelled like bad decisions, hookah and
cigarette smoke like.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I don't care if Luca is out there with the
blunt in his.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Mouth, like you keep Luca there the level. I don't
care if they go to the finals this year and
beat Boston or whoever comes out of the East. I
don't think you ever get the love back from the fans.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I just don't think they're.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Gonna forgive you you get the excitement that Luca provides
on a night to night basis for the next ten
to fifteen years. That being ripped away before his Supermax
extension and costing them him one hundred and sixteen million
dollars when he had no intention to leave and wanted
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to spend his entire career there.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
That's tough.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I don't know how they allow it. I really don't
know how this was allowed.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Nah, that's tough. That's tough. I was telling the homie
the other day. You can't if you signed Luca to
the extension and he's just out of shape and he's
it's just bad. I don't think you can get fired
for that. You can get fired for trading him. Is
as simple as that. Like, if you're looking for job security,
like Harrison's gonna get fired. Who thinks he's gonna make
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it in the next five years?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Not me? And also, what I do think is pretty
shady is for people who don't know a lot about
Nico Harrison. So, Nico came up through Nike. He was
a VP of basketball operations. His number one signature athlete.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Forever was Kobe. He and Kobe were thickest thieves. They
were peas and carrots.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So that was like where he sort of built his
entire career in the basketball space. And Rob Plinka, the
GM of the Lakers, Kobe Bryant's former agent. So you
mean to tell me that you're just gonna give your
guy like a good buddy deal and not tell anybody
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about it. When he was the most coveted They called
him the most untouchable player in the league outside of
maybe I don't know Yannis, but even Jannis has had
some friction with the Bucks. And then you're just like, hey,
you the way he said it too, Like we were
just chilling over a coffee and I was like, hey,
would you want Lucay, Like would you would you maybe
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want Luke? Yes? I do, yes, and not not to
allow the open market to give you multiple PI and
multiple players, and like, you want Anthony Davis, Anthony thirty
one year old Anthony Davis. That was the guy that
you thought above anyone else in the league because you
probably could have had anybody outside of maybe Sga and
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Wemby and maybe honest, outside of those three, you could
probably have anybody else you wanted and picks, and you
were like, no, it's Anthony Davis or nothing.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
For me, fire Wolf Fence. I ain't gonna lie to you.
I ain't gonna lie to you, man, TK go back,
enjoy some Beignet's, enjoy all the There's no green in
New Orleans. It's all brown fried fruit.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I had a bunch of green, had a nice green
salad today.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well maybe I'm just not looking for it when I'm there.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You're not looking for it.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
That's that's it, man, And go get some uh some
dakers at the drive through spot. That's what.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Love y'all.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
All right, that's all the time that we have for
this episode of The Heat Check. Come back Friday for
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On this episode of the Hate Check, what is going
on out in Sacramento. We break it all down with
my guy, Kenny Carroway of Sacramento's ESPN thirteen twenty. We
cover the Deer in Fox trade in detail, what I
thought about it, what's next for the Sacramento Kangs, and
we talked about the Luca trade even more as more
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details starts to trickle out.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Fun, fun show. Anthony dropped that motherfucking beat that should.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Be Rihanna.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Appearing on the Dlo and Casey Show in Sacramento is one.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Of my favorite things. I've running the fans of the
show everywhere from New York City to Alexandria to Vegas.
So the fan base since Sacramento is very strong and
they are heartbroken right now. I joined Kenny Carroway and
it was super fun discussion. I'm publishing it here so
you can get all the tea and how I feel
about Deer and Fox along with somebody who covers the
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team on a day to day basis, as well as
the rest.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Of the NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Many thanks to Kenny. Damien was out and a super
producer Jesse. Let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Oh my goodness is bringing testing because Tristan will love
this conversation. Trista, what's going on with your girl? What's
not much? Not much? Are you in an airport? Are
you in another lounge?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Got shut down? That Centurion lounge got shut down? Wait
what the Atlanta Centurion MX lounge got shut down?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
What is my wife?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's my internet?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Really bad?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
No, No, you're you're good now. It's it's working its
way in. You're you're good now. I hear you. You
sound great. How did the lounge get shut down?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
They found food?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
They found bugs in the food.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I'll shut you down, man, that'll do it. That'll do it.
You fix that before you ever see me steping foot
in there.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And they like make you pay for guests and everything,
like I don't know what they're on.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It's not like a free thing.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's not like, oh you should just you just be
happy you have a place.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It's like, no, the card is the fee on the
car is why I had this?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, let me in. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
It was like a waiting of like bugs and of food.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
That's crazy. Yeah, I'm glad you got out of there
when you did. That was like what a week ago?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Two weeks ago, two weeks ago. Yeah, we're in New
Orleans right now.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
That's right. You did say you're in New Orleans. So
you're in a cafe do Moon right now?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
No, I'm in the up down cafe in the Garden District.
I was on the street car.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
My phone needed some juice, so I popped in here
to plug it in, get a little water and relax
my relax, my gators.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I hear you, I hear you. There's something else I
was gonna ask you. Oh so, I know the first
day you got there, you did a food critique. Is
that something that we've got to look forward to the
entire time? You're gonna trying a different food place? Yep,
every day. I might have missed it last two days,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, food every day.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Went to Melbour's yesterday, had some wing, chicken wings, mac
and cheese fries, crinkle cut. Pretty good for like a staple,
you know, like a run through it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Go to the window, grab some food. You know.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Crystal Hot sauce I think was founded here in New Orleans,
which I love Crystal Hot sauce.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, yeah, shout out to the know you man, that's
what that's what the family is man, It's all good.
Go get you a drive through Dacri at some point. No, yeah,
definitely not. I don't think you can get those in
the French quarters. Well you can get daker in the
French quarter, but the dray they like you go into
the city. Yeah, they got to drive through doakeries like
they got Burger king.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like it's crazy. I got that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, they said, oh no, the only way you can
do this is the drink and dry.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That's the only way this worked.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
It's been it's been four or five years since I've
been there. That was last time when I saw the
drive th I'm not sure they's still up, but I'm
I'm assuming they are. They've been there forever.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I saw them.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I mean I walked past them. They definitely still exist.
I'm just not going I'm just not interested in going in.
I went to this place called the La Petite Grocery today.
For those who are subscribing, full review is on the Instagram.
But I would just say it was incredible. It was
one of the better meals I've had in a long
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long time.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I ain't gotta lie to you. I gotta subscribe. I'm slipping.
That's my bad. Got it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
If my own mama can subscribe on the fixed income,
you can.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm subscribing. I just hadn't even thought about it, but yeah,
I gotta. I gotta subscribe to my girlth TK. All right, Trista,
you know this is crazy. All right? So let's where
we're the home or we're not. I shouldn't say that
we're Sacramento. You know what I mean. We're We're we
are king centric here. So let's start there. A lot
of people thought me and James Hamm were fighting yesterday.
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We weren't. But James ham is anti Zach Lavine, as
you guys saw by my unethical basketball team that Trista
put together. Oh, Zach wasn't on there, and I let
her know about that. I am pro Zach Levine. Sounds
like you might be anti Zach Lavine.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I think what my issue with Zach is is like,
do you really trust that what we're seeing this year
is what we're gonna see moving forward from him? And
he's had an excellent year, but it's also like the
last resort for Zach. Right, we know that when last
came around, they shut him down early. There was all
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these reports about his attitude with the team. He remember
he pushed the PR girl when she tried to stop
him from doing something, and so like, Zach kind of
just is not a He's not like a commensurate player
for winning, right, He's not the guy you think of
the lift you up, piece of certified bucket getter, and
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the type of buckets he takes are are sometimes really
tough ones. His efficiency, like you said on your Kids,
since the trade went down.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
His efficiency has been awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I just don't know for the money and really what
the consistency looks like for Zach, whether that's the kind
of guy I will want to trade for.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Right now, I get that this team needs.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
A sort of pets things together on the fly, right
like this was. This was not necessarily what the plan
was going into the season. And you can't just up
and rebuild. You've got Sabonus, you got Keegan Murray, you
have pieces on here that don't want you to start
rebuilding all over again. For the amount of money that
Zach is getting paid though, for that to be the
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only piece you get back, and essentially you're only getting
one good first round pick, which is the Minnesota Timberwolves
twenty thirty one pick. The twenty twenty seven San Antonio
pick is not gonna be very good at all. They're
gonna be a probably top five team in the West,
so I don't know what that's about. And then the
Charlotte twenty twenty five pick, I forgot early on that
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that was top fourteen protected, so that's not even gonna
be a first round pick.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You might as well just.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Call that two seconds. So it's two firsts and five seconds.
And I just don't really know if that's what a
Deer and Fox hall should bring when mckel Bridges, who
I don't think is as good as Deer and Fox.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I know that wings are more valuable in the league
than point guards are, and just guards in general. But
five first round picks for Michael Bridges and you get
two first round picks in Zach Lavine and you don't
get any other players to contribute when you need depths
on this team.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I just didn't so a.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Couple of things. I want to put a stamp in
Zach Levine real quick because I want to ask you
something about that or just talk to you about something
the Mike kel Bridges thing. I think that's a little
bit of an outlier. Yeah, because the Knicks wanted Mike
l and Brooklyn was like, all right, we'll trade you,
but you're not You're not getting regular market rate, Like
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it's gonna we gonna hit you over the head if
you want to do this, And the Knicks said, all right,
let's do it. And I think that's when you talk
about the picks and the compensation there, I think that
played a wrong. Now, that is the part of the
trade that I wasn't thrilled about. What the is the
assets and the draft picks they got back. I'm not
saying you have to get the Atlanta picked, that San
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Antonio house or anything, but like, man, he couldn't get
a little bit. You know better than that when you
talk about the draft picks. But I'll ask you. You
talk to a lot of people, and I think he
can go. I think I think he's the truth when
you talk about deer Fox. But do you think he
was His value around the league doesn't match up with
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what maybe Kings fans and people who follow the team
think his value should be.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, I think it's should I go out. I'm gonna
go outside.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Really, where the where the it's a little bit better
volume here, Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Mean we hear you good, but now we got the shad,
so it's all good kind of it's not loud. This
is free content too. By the way, you don't always
get this content, you know, you usually got to go subscribe.
But now we're getting a nice little it looks a
little overcast out there, looks a little overcast.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Sev seventy five.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
No, it's all good. It's all good.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Then, it's all good. It's all good. It's like seventy
two humidity. Is this better?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's great. It wasn't bad how it was before, So
that's all yeah. But yes, this is works too.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
So I think it's hard to know what Deeron Fox's
value is on the open market because there was only
one team that that Sacramento negotiated with, and that was
what kind of pissed me off, is like, what could
you get from Houston, What could you get from Miami,
What could you get from Orlando?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
What could you get from any team that needs a
guard right now?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And Deeran Fox's he's a top twenty player probably in
the league, top twenty five player in the league. But
at his best, he's not only a bucket getter, but
a clutchbucket getter. And I think people are kind of
being a little bit shady in terms of his three
point percentage because they say, oh, he's not a good
three point shooter, but he's improved his three point game
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a lot. So it's hard to say what his value
is around the league because all they were doing was
negotiating with san Antonio.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, and you know when when you got the rich
Pauls and you got the team saying, hey, like we're
only going to san Antonio. Letting that be known around
the league, I don't know how much you would get.
That also maybe takes away from his true value, right
Like if it was a true open market, maybe you
could get you know, somebody better than Zach Lavine. But
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when the market is stunted by him, you know, only
wanting to go to a certain place. And the other
thing about it was we saw this team on you know,
Tuesday and on Saturday, and how they looked distracted and dishoveled.
It's like, oh man, I'm not trying to do this
for another forty games, forty five games. You kind of
had to get him out of there, so they were
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kind of up against it. I believe in trying to
make a deal, and I actually think they did a
good job getting a guy like zach Lavine when you
consider they were kind of putting the crunch the way
they were.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But think about this outside of a salary matching component.
The Bulls last year were willing to attach a first
round pick to takes.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, I'm sorry. The people in the background selling you, hi,
young lady in the background, how you doing this is
ESBN thirteen twenty. No, this is hilarious. This is great.
I love New Orleans. I love New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Sorry she was in the mix?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Was she?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
She was in the mix?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But no, so so I thought they did pretty good
to get a zach Lavine back. But but you just but.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You got distracted by the cute little girl.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But the Chicago Bulls were willing to attach your first
round pick just to take zach Lavine.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
That's one first round pick for that. So what did
you really get?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So you got one first round pick for for de
Aaron Fox if that's how it all ended up shaking out,
and five second round picks. I know the second round
picks are getting more and more valuable in the league.
If you can find like a good a good GM
to be able to call through those assets and get.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
The kind of guy that you want.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And obviously that's like, that's critical if you're going to
try to package picks.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Together to get somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But I don't think Zach Lavine was When we spoke
last last week, Kenny, you said, if it wasn't Devin
Vessel and Steph Castle, you were it was unacceptable. Now
all of a sudden, we got people sort of trying
to like rationalize that this.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Is a good trade.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Know what happened was I saw I saw them play Tuesday,
and I saw them play Saturday, and I said, this
team is da as is like, so, so here's what
you want, Like I don't necessarily want to go into
the doldrums this year, like still try to make the playoffs,
like try to compete. I think that's how the organization
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is looking at it. Like you've got a responsibility to
Malik Monk, who just signed with you. You got a responsibility
to Marta Rows, and you got a responsibility to DeMont
to Sabonas who signed an extension and more importantly, you
got a responsibility to all these people that you up
the season ticket prices to like a like forty five
percent this year, to not say, hey, oh, out of nowhere,
(13:56):
Dearreon don't want to be here, so we're gonna go
try and get Cooper flag. You got a responsibility to
these people. So you saw it, well, she agrees. So
you saw how they played on Tuesday, right after we spoke,
and then you saw how they played on Saturday, and
this team was dead. And at that point it was like,
(14:19):
all right, you gotta kind of adjust a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I'm not gonna take anything. If we can't get Stefan
Castle or Devin Vasel, go talk to Chicago. Cuse, get
me a zach Lavine or go talk to a zach
Lavine type. It didn't have to necessarily be him, but
I had to get somebody back to replace a lot
of what Daran was giving you, at the very least
on the offensive end moving forward. But you're right, I
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did say that before, but that was after saying this
this team is dead with Fox on the roster for
another forty games, Like, I don't want to live that life.
So he switched up.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, he switched up fast.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Did you see them play on Saturday night? I switched
up after the first scored. I was like, nah, this
is done. Can't do this.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, And that's the thing that I'm really I posted
this last night, I think it was last night yesterday.
I just find it to be very disrespectful how he's going.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Out, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, And and the farewell letter of oh I always
wanted to end my career here. I never thought it
would end this way, you know, fans, I just want
to let you know.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'm so grateful for you.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
First of all, compare that to Kavon's letter, Like Kvons
was like, oh, yeah, okay. It's like the difference between
a guy who breaks up with his girlfriend and tries
to convince the girlfriend she broke up with him and
a guy and a guy who gets broken up with
and tries to convince her like that he broke up
(15:57):
with her and he started you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, a lot of people got it picked up on
the wording.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
On the wording there, it was like, well, if you
wanted to spend your whole career there, why are you
selling Why are you out there on the basketball court
not giving your all, why did you hire Clutch Sports
to begin with, which is notable for squeezing franchises. Why
did you make this contentious?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Why are you.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Pretending you did not say, hey, get me up out
of here. Why it didn't have to be this way,
It didn't have to be so toxic so fast. And
I think when you look at how he was to
this franchise and what we all thought twelve months ago
it would be and could be, well maybe a little
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more than twelve months ago the start of last season,
and what he did against the Warriors with a broken finger,
it just went left so fast, and he's he and
Clutch are responsible for it going left, like very in
terms of how he handled it. Now.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I don't think that the Kings have.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Surrounded him with maybe as much as he would want,
And Kenny, you've been very clear that like, how much
more do you want? But if they're telling him that
they're gonna do X, Y or Z and they don't,
there's a reason to be frustrated there if they can't
get deals done and he feels like they can't get
him done and he's getting the Dame treatment.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Where neil O'Shea was like, oh, we're gonna get CJ.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
McCollum and and not like a high value Marquee player
to be alongside him as a co star. But they
went and got DeMar de Rosen and that wasn't exactly the.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Most clean fit. That was somebody that was on the
market that they could go out and persuade to come there.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But he has a responsibility to live honorably and to
come and show up honorably, just as we hate Nico
Harrison for what.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
He did to Luca, like, I think.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
That the onus and the responsibility should go on on
Deer in terms of how he acted on way out too.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I agree. And this happened when I'm with Damien. I'm
not gonna involve I'm not gonna involve anybody. I'm not
gonna speak about nobody or nothing like that. But there
were when when.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
No, I know there were other factors involved.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, But what I'm gonna say is there were tweets
that were put out there that were, you know, trying
to kind of say like, oh, no, I don't know
what you're talking about. Nothing that ever happened. We didn't
ask for he didn't ask for anything. YadA, yah yah.
You combine that with the goodbye letter and the wording
and there. And my thought was like, hey, stop playing
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with us, man, Like, stop playing with us, Like we
don't know what we were seeing, what we were hearing,
what people were telling you. Guys were telling people like
stop playing Like if you if you wanted to go,
I'm not gonna look at you crazy, because like you said,
he has reasons because of being you know, lied to
or not being able to get it. Like fine, that's
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the reason, but don't mind us, and don't play with
us right now and say, oh we we wish we
would have been here forever. Nobody was telling you to leave.
What are you talking about.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, you had the opportunity to sign for the same
amount is you're going to sign anywhere else. You didn't
make all NBA, and so that caused you to think
about your life and your future. And maybe you're going
to Texas because there's no state tax. Maybe you're going
there for family reasons, to be.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Closer to where you grew up, closer to.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Where your family is on both sides of the aisle there,
and that that's fine, like you have that you have
that choice, that's that's up to you. But don't lie
about it, don't don't sell on the court and play poor, poorly,
or not give your full effort and tell us that
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you're not trying to leave and that we're getting it
all wrong. That's just that's to me, puts a sour
taste in the fans' mouth. And you've been there too
long to do that to the fans.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
That's all. That's always saying. One last thing that I
want to say about Zach Levine, which maybe maybe I'm
a maybe I'm just a sucker for a good story
or something like that. But he had his issues, you know,
previously in his career, whether it's injury, attitude, all this
other stuff. I posted the other day on Twitter, and
(20:24):
I remember when this happened. I remember when I saw
this on media day, his media day talk like nobody
asked him a question and he had this long talk
about you know, I did some soul search. What you said?
What's good? What's good?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Do you hear that bumping?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Is that tweaker?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Do you If you had to guess what car that
was coming out of? What would you guess?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I would say.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
A like an old school That's what I would say
as well.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
That is not the case.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
It's a bug. What is a bug? A beetle? It's
a beetle. If that was coming it sound like they
were playing a tweaker. They were playing a little jello
coming out of there.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
That's crazy, that is insane.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And Buddy came out in the car and not looking
like he drives a beetle coming out like.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Go oh, man, never judge the book by his covery.
You got it, can't do it?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, you never know in these streets back to media
day and the good story go ahead.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, No, So Zach talked about Look, man, I had
to do some soul searching and I had to look
in the mirror, and you know, I want the past
to be the past. I'm moving forward in a positive direction.
And I only bring that up because he's done that,
like he has done that since then, and he's played
that way. He's handled himself as a professional like he
(21:57):
said he would. And do you think it's it's possible
that maybe he has turned a different turn over a
new leaf in his career and this is the way
he is going to be moving forward.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, I think that's definitely possible. What I'll say about
Zach is you're right. He came in from the off
season and realized I could languish here in Chicago. I
could just spend the restless contract becoming a joke, sitting
on the bench, because Chicago wants to have a development
(22:31):
situation with all their young guys. If they can't trade
me and they don't feel like they can boost my.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Stock, then what am I even really doing there?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
And then you get into a situation if your contract
is over and you've been playing that way or not
playing much at all, or in a diminished role, and
oh no, and no, there we go, and now your
contract moving forward?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Now your contract?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
What does he saying, don't know what is he talking about? Well,
don't say that, because then he gonna know that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You listen, it's not my business.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
He said, what you want over here? Hey, look you
want some of that grab over there?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Dad?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Hey, hey, look at that girl in the white shirt day.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So I think he had a wake up call. But
I think the good thing is that he knows that
the Sacramento Kings as a whole when he was his hottest,
when he was in the crossroads of his career for
a contract, the.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Sacramento wanted them.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
It's not like a, Oh, we just need the salary match,
you know, we need to get rid of Deer and Fox.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It's a fire sale and we want to figure it out.
It's no we wanted you to begin with.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So I think there's like a benefit to to that
situation for him as well.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I think he's gonna do good out here. Man. I
don't know what that results in. I don't know if
means like he can't play a.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Lick of defense, can he? I think that's cap.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I think that's cap'sk I think that's cap. I think
that's overblown. I don't think he's cool.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Tell me what his defensive rating is right now?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
James went over it yesterday. I think it's like, no,
I think it's like one sixteen or something like that.
It's it's uh, it's higher or worse than Foxes, right,
but yeah, somebody I think it was our guy, Bobby Gerald,
or maybe it was will Ze. They put out that
for their career. I think it's better than dearon Fox's
(24:34):
like and it's like they're the same. It's like one
fourteen point five to one fourteen point three or something
like that. I think that I'm not saying he's I'm
in Thompson, but I think he's not Luca. He's not Luca.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
He's he's Luca.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He's not Luca. That's caps Luca. He's not Luca. He's
not Luca. But that's Luca.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Can sometimes put his body into people.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
This big body. That's a big, big body, a big body.
Let's go there, man, because this is this is crazy.
This is this is still crazy. Three four days later,
this is still crazy Luca getting traded to the Lakers.
Did you ever think there was any world that this
would have happened like now, like before he signed the extension,
like maybe later in his career, but now, did you
(25:25):
think there was ever any world?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Remember when Mark Cuban said, if it was between me,
Luca and my wife, I'm serving her up divorce papers.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
That's what That's what he said.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So I never thought the MAVs would want to get
rid of somebody who is so marketable internationally and for
the city of Dallas, a guy who just took you
to the finals last year.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And I don't really care that he's fat. I don't care.
He doesn't look that fat.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Actually he's a big guy, and yeah, he's not shredded
that's that's not gonna probably ever be him.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
He's not going to be built like Lebron James.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But he can get you thirty fifteen and ten on
any given night, right, and he can put a team
on their back and score sixteen in a row and
dig you out of a deficit, win games. He's single
handedly probably won three playoff games last last playoffs himself, right,
(26:38):
like that forty two point game he had game against
Minnesota Timberwolves with that step back, like he had.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Some more key moments. So no, I didn't. I didn't
imagine that that would happen.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I did know that they were frustrated by him, and
I guess I get that. But it does feel a
little personal. It feels like Nico Harrison if you sort
of dig into how things went over time, players that
Luca loved playing with that he just got rid of
(27:12):
players that Luca wanted that they would not go out
and get and then they just like got Monty Morris instead.
It's like you, why don't you try at least to
keep Luca happy?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I don't know, and to do it for.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Anthony Davis, who if you have questions about durability and
you have questions about availability, and I know Anthony Davis
has been awesome and available a lot, despite the fact
that he's not available right now for the last eighteen months.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
He's not a particularly durable dude. He's they call him Anthony.
There is no Luca.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Nickname that shows that he's never on the court. It's
Anthony day to day Davis. It's skin of paper, bones
of glass like that is. Those are names that people
have given Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
We don't have any of those names for Luca.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
We have one of them.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Beat what Tubby called fat Luca.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Fat Luca, Okay, but he's on the court being fat,
giving you thirteen fifteen and ten thirty fifteen in ten.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Huka. That is another.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yea, who ka don They said he better he should
He had to have smelled like bad decisions, hookah and
cigarette smoke like.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I don't care if Luca is out there with the
blunt in his.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Mouth, like you keep Luca there the level. I don't
care if they go to the finals this year and
beat Boston or whoever comes out of the East. I
don't think you ever get the love back from the fans.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I just don't think they're.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Gonna forgive you you get the excitement that Luca provides
on a night to night basis for the next ten
to fifteen years. That being ripped away before his Supermax
extension and costing them him one hundred and sixteen million
dollars when he had no intention to leave and wanted
(29:14):
to spend his entire career there.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
That's tough.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I don't know how they allow it. I really don't
know how this was allowed.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Nah, that's tough. That's tough. I was telling the homie
the other day. You can't if you signed Luca to
the extension and he's just out of shape and he's
it's just bad. I don't think you can get fired
for that. You can get fired for trading him. Is
as simple as that. Like, if you're looking for job security,
like Harrison's gonna get fired. Who thinks he's gonna make
(29:44):
it in the next five years?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Not me? And also, what I do think is pretty
shady is for people who don't know a lot about
Nico Harrison. So, Nico came up through Nike. He was
a VP of basketball operations. His number one signature athlete.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Forever was Kobe. He and Kobe were thickest thieves. They
were peas and carrots.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So that was like where he sort of built his
entire career in the basketball space. And Rob Plinka, the
GM of the Lakers, Kobe Bryant's former agent. So you
mean to tell me that you're just gonna give your
guy like a good buddy deal and not tell anybody
(30:30):
about it. When he was the most coveted They called
him the most untouchable player in the league outside of
maybe I don't know Yannis, but even Jannis has had
some friction with the Bucks. And then you're just like, hey,
you the way he said it too, Like we were
just chilling over a coffee and I was like, hey,
would you want Lucay, Like would you would you maybe
(30:53):
want Luke? Yes? I do, yes, and not not to
allow the open market to give you multiple PI and
multiple players, and like, you want Anthony Davis, Anthony thirty
one year old Anthony Davis. That was the guy that
you thought above anyone else in the league because you
probably could have had anybody outside of maybe Sga and
(31:14):
Wemby and maybe honest, outside of those three, you could
probably have anybody else you wanted and picks, and you
were like, no, it's Anthony Davis or nothing.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
For me, fire Wolf Fence. I ain't gonna lie to you.
I ain't gonna lie to you, man, TK go back,
enjoy some Beignet's, enjoy all the There's no green in
New Orleans. It's all brown fried fruit.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I had a bunch of green, had a nice green
salad today.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well maybe I'm just not looking for it when I'm there.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You're not looking for it.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
That's that's it, man, And go get some uh some
dakers at the drive through spot. That's what.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Love y'all.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
All right, that's all the time that we have for
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