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July 18, 2025 26 mins
Dr. Sanjay Gupta sits down with researcher and clinical therapist Dr. Eric Garland to explore how mindfulness meditation can be as effective as opioids in treating chronic pain – without any of the side effects. They break down the science behind how leaning into pain, rather than avoiding it, can actually rewire the brain and provide lasting relief.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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