Best of Chuck and Buck 10-23

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Some time.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Good morning class, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
Ladies and gentlemen, behold in producing six one guard from Brighton,
Illanois and former high school basketball stand up, What in
the hell does that mean?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Don't jumped any conclusions. Not a god, You've gotta lower
lower your expectations.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.

Speaker 5 (00:24):
I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Now there's been a noticeable spike here your blood pressure.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
A five seven guard and a former college water polo
and national champion.

Speaker 6 (00:37):
There's a lot of useless crap up here.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
Ashley Ryan. What to you buy to La Loove casino
resort and quill see the Creek Draft King sports book
where the action never stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Hey, good morning to you.

Speaker 7 (01:10):
Welcome into the radio program called Chucking Buck in the
Morning Sports Radio ninety three point three k j R F.
M Ashley Ryan is here. My name is Chuck Powell.
We do not have Bucky Jacobson, not today nor tomorrow.
So it's uh, it's Ashley and I with you here
for the next four hours.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
And that is fine, Bummy.

Speaker 7 (01:31):
Finally we got Bucky exactly, Finally we can talk about him.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Get everything off our chest here.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
For the next four out want to say about him.

Speaker 7 (01:40):
There's no way that he's going to find out anything
that we say about.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Him on the radio. But man, we have been suppressing
a lot of pent up anger and frustration.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
What's with the beard man?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, what's up with just you know, all of the stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:55):
You're just like beard man?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Why is he just that way? Yeah? Right, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 6 (02:01):
And then like sometimes when he does that thing, I.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Know, dries me up a wall. I didn't know if
you felt this.

Speaker 6 (02:08):
So glad we got to talk.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
About he had four hours to talk like this.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
Yeah, and I think that's all we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Just air a bunch of dirty laundry. Speaking of dirty laundry,
why does he always have dirty laundry? Oh my god?

Speaker 6 (02:20):
And he brings it in here clean, just.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Stacks and stacks of it the studio.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
Just take it to the dry cleaners or something. Just
take it out of the house and Kate thinks it's clean.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, do that at your home. A home and a
river wash the take.

Speaker 6 (02:38):
A washboard down there, and some so beautiful and then
you can bring a spoon too and play some music.

Speaker 7 (02:44):
Uh so, yeah, a lot of that today. Welcome to
the radio show we do. I mean I did have
a certain agenda plan for today, but rarely do we
at six o'clock in the morning have breaking news to
discuss us. And this is some really juicy stuff, yeah,
kind of disturbing stuff quite frankly, that we're going to

(03:07):
start with here this morning, partly because this is very newsworthy,
partly because I don't know when we're going to get
another chance throughout the course of the show today to
kind of chew on this, so we're going to lead
with it here this morning.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
If you are just waking up, and.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
I know a lot of you are in the NBA,
I mean two days into the season, for goodness sake,
I mean, this couldn't come at a worse time for
Adam Silver.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I mean, why couldn't we have done this in.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
The offseason and maybe we would have had time for
this to die down, but instead, as you're just coming
out of the gates and you're roaring and Victor winmbin
Yama has a game for the Ages last night and
inside the NBA shined last night on the network and
the new television deal Michael Jordan debuts on NBC and

(03:56):
their new package with the NBA. This hat story breaks
here on this Thursday morning as two prominent members of
the NBA, Miami heatguard Terry Rogier and even more prominent
Portland Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups, have both been arrested
this morning as part of a pair of investigations related

(04:21):
to illegal gambling. Sources told ESPN's Shams Sharanya. Rogier was
arrested this morning at a hotel in Orlando. His team
just played the magic last night, and Billips was arrested
in Oregon as part of a separate but related illegal
gambling case linked to an illegal poker operation tied to

(04:43):
the mafia.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
Yeah, that's something you want to be involved in.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
Yeah, this according to ABC News. So, I mean, it's
kind of strange that, if it's not connected, that they
were both arrested on the same day. But obviously the
FBI has been looking into this, and I'm sure in
cooperation with the NBA, but also independently of the NBA.
I'm sure the NBA has been hit kind of between

(05:07):
the eyes. I don't think the FBI has got to
warn them, Hey, this is what we're gonna do. I mean,
if it's if it's an operation that has been ongoing.
Terry Rochier has been in the crosshairs of an investigation now,
I mean for well over a year, so he's been
He's already been investigated for this in the past. They
knew that his hands were dirty to some degree. Obviously,

(05:28):
whoever was investigating this didn't think that they had enough
information to bring charges that they thought that they could stick.
And it's very clear now, Ashley, that they do feel
like they have enough information if they're busting down doors
and arresting people in the National Basketball Association on gambling
related charges. And I don't think this is this is

(05:52):
just he made a bet with a bookie. No, this
sounds like some really serious stuff that's going down in
the National bat Bsketball Association. And it might not stop
with just those two. Yes, So the NBA has to
be braced here on the third day of operation of
a brand new year, for several names coming out here.

(06:14):
I would assume in the next twenty four to forty
eight hours, so we might be in store for quite
the news story here that's about ready to land in
our laps.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Yeah, the interesting part is that separate but related thing.
I'm very intrigued to find out how these two situations
are related. They are going to be doing a press
conference at seven am our time, and all I heard
this morning too was be prepared to hear a lot
more names that you know.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh yeah, that is not good.

Speaker 6 (06:43):
That is not good.

Speaker 7 (06:43):
I mean, we do operate in this world as sports
fans that we sort of turn a blind eye to
the possibility of this stuff. I mean we actually we
know that it exists. We know that some people are
probably dabbling. We hope that there is enough of a

(07:06):
filter out there that if somebody's doing more than dabbling,
that they are exposed at some point, and then we
sort of brace ourselves for the possibility of a story
like this that could make us question what.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
We've been watching for the last few years.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
Yeah, Tim Donneghee's story existed a few years ago and
it's been a while now, But that's an official who
sort of admitted that, Yeah, some refs are on the take.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
You know, Yeah, they're there, you know that we have.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
A little bit of gambling interest out there. And then
they snuffed out Don again. We haven't heard him since then.
We just got back to watching the NBA. But I
don't think it ever truly leaves our brains. Is there's
something fishy going on here. And so when you actually
have to get the FBI involved because the NBA can't
police it themselves, and then they create this kind of

(08:00):
a story and this kind of a stir and it
really does kind of hit home as sports fans like
like how much of this goes on? Should I be
investing that much in it?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah? And truly like you know what have we been.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
Watching all of this time? That makes you feel good
about being a.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Sports fan for goodness sake.

Speaker 7 (08:30):
So stories like this and look, they make this too
easy and that's the bottom line, the gambling part.

Speaker 8 (08:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (08:39):
I mean, think about the Terry Rogier story, like here's
here's the background on this, and they've known this since
twenty twenty three that he was in a game playing
for the Charlotte Hornets at the time against the New
Orleans Pelicans and right before the game started, a big
surge of bets came in thirty wagers and forty six

(09:00):
minutes from a professional better totaling thirteen seven hundred and
fifty nine dollars. And it came in on the under
that night for Rochier's points. Yeah, okay, so that.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Was the fight.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
And this was back in twenty twenty three. It's twenty
twenty five. This is two and a half years later
that they had to, you know, go around, investigate and
get enough information to make it stick to actually arrest
Terry Rochier. This isn't just the NBA.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
Hey, buddy, hold on, something did happen in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Yeah, you may have been getting in with the wrong
people and we need to protect you. No, no, no, no,
this is the FBI saying Terry Rogier is the wrong person. Okay,
he's the wrong people. He's part of the wrong people.
And so think about.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
That though, because didn't he get injured or leave the game?

Speaker 7 (09:52):
Yeah, he left the game faking an injury. I mean
this is what we read into it. Now, long before
he could ever each the points, rebounds, assist totals that
he was going to get for that game. So think
about how easy that is for a player to do.
I mean, and think about how we now, because of this,
at least for the foreseeable future, are going to question

(10:13):
every single person that leaves a game injured.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
Absolutely, And that's why the NBA can't stand in the
way of this, get rid of everybody that is linked
to it.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
And I'm not even kidding. No, this is not wrisk
slapping time.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
This is where the NBA has just got to let
the people who do this for a living do what
they gotta do, set an example for everybody else so
that they can convince their fan base that we are
going to run a clean operation. And obviously there are
entities out there that are difficult to control, and we

(10:51):
can't monitor every single player, every single employee as closely
as we want to and don't want to, and so
these things are going to happen. But when they happen,
when it does get exposed, boy, we aren't gonna just
sit around.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I mean, this is where you come in.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
And like Terry Rogier will never play in the NBA again,
Chauncey Phillips will never coach in the NBA again, and
whoever else comes out on this list, and I don't
care how good a player they are either.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I mean, baseball had.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
To do it once upon a time with shoeless Joe Jackson,
and that was as good a player as they had
in Major League Baseball at that time. And this is
where you just come in and you've got to swing
heavy acts here and just cut all of these people
from your league so that you can assure the rest
of your fan base that we've cut it out, we've

(11:40):
cut the cancer out, and we've sent such a strong
message that you don't have to worry anymore about what
you're watching and whether it's on the up and up,
because nobody is gonna make that same mistake knowing what
the consequences are.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
Yeah. No, and I agree. I mean, it's not like
these guys were sitting around playing in little poker games
in the locker room before a game. We're doing something
after a game with their teammates, like something. You know,
Chuncy Phillips was doing something involved with the Mafia, and
then somehow that is related to whatever Terry Rozier was doing,
and you would assume then something with sports betting and

(12:14):
probably the Mafia involved. I don't know, but this isn't
like some small time thing that these guys were just
sitting around, you know, making bets with each other.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (12:23):
Yeah, this isn't like an office pool, right exactly, Like
this is some serious you know what, and it's just
to have it coming out this morning, and just you know,
there's limited information.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
I'm gonna be very intrigued to hear what the what
the FBI has to say.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I think we yeah, I think we all are intrigued.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
And who else is gonna get listed in all of
this and what other names are going to be joined?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
But honestly, like we.

Speaker 7 (12:46):
Have opened this thing up so broad, why is there
even the ability to bet on Terry Rogier's assists for
that night? Why is there even that ability out there?
And look, I'm not sure trying to squash.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
You know, daily the daily wager? Yeah, I mean, I don't.
It doesn't affect me, It doesn't bother me.

Speaker 7 (13:10):
It obviously increases people's interests in sports, which is why
the NBA and now even Major League Baseball and everybody
is embracing this because it does create interest. It does
create a completely different type of fan base. And man,
people can put a five dollars wager down on whether
show a Otani is gonna have more than one and

(13:30):
a half total bases tonight and they're gonna go watch
that game. Yeah, They're gonna watch all three hours of
that game, or at least until Otani hits a double
yeah and gets them their payday. And so, you know,
just like we do. I always joke about with fantasy football.
I mean, we have Thursday Night Football because the NFL

(13:51):
knows fantasy football players if they have the kicker going tonight,
which by the way, I do, Yes, if you have
the kicker going tonight, that they're people are going to
watch that wouldn't normally watch for three hours to see
if Will Reiker can kick three field goals tonight for
them and help them win in their fantasy league. So
so I'm not I'm not trying to like squash the

(14:16):
daily prop bets businesses that have popped up. I just
think that maybe maybe we need to stop making so
many of them. Yeah, I mean, well, because you're making
it so easy for players to do it.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I mean, who's even gonna blink?

Speaker 7 (14:32):
And I if Terry Rochier finishes the game with two
assists or three assists, maybe you're not even gonna notice
if he didn't deliver that pass. To the wide open
teammate under the basket because he knew what his prop
bet was and so he's just gonna dribble out the
clock and oh man, I didn't see you, and just
play it off that way.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
It is, it is.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
It just is a minefield out there that we've created
to make it so easy for individual players to perhaps
kick a bet. Somewhere along the line, I think maybe
we need to curb that.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
Well, no, I would agree. I mean it's interesting because
we'll look, you know, to make our picks and bets
for factor fiction, and you have to scroll through ninety
five prop bets at times of individual things. It's like
there's so much more involved in a game to bet
on than just the score. I mean, isn't necessary.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
It is not, It isn't necessary.

Speaker 7 (15:32):
And the fact that we've let it go to that
specific that you could even bet on Terry Rochier's assists, Yeah,
I mean that is something to me that the NBA
should separate itself from. Yeah, Like, I'm not saying don't
have daily prop bet services and companies. What I'm saying
is the NBA, Major League Baseball, the NFL, they should

(15:54):
all get together because they all have to work hand
in hand and say we're going either trim down what
you make available to a far less, far less extent,
or we're going to separate ourselves from you. I mean,
you control what what they do. You know, DraftKings, you,

(16:16):
if you're the NBA, the NFL, Major League Baseball, and
you work hand in hand, you own them. They depend
on you, so you can call the shots. And so
if you could just reduce it, but if you all yeah,
if you go, oh, I mean one of them goes in.
But if all of them go and forget about it,
they wouldn't have any choice. But look how easy we

(16:40):
make it. And then you have these offshore betting places.
I mean, we talk about it all the time, but
and and we sort of say it jokingly, but honestly,
what is keeping the third cousin from Bad Bunny from
finding out what the stop set is for his half
time show and placing everything that they own on how

(17:06):
long the set will last, or which song will be
played first, or which song will be played seven?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
This is how specific that we've gotten with this.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
Or how long the national anthem will be?

Speaker 7 (17:17):
Yeah, I mean, how honestly, like you didn't think that
this was going to be taken advantage of. You didn't
think that individual players, even head coaches, weren't going to
take advantage of easy money. And that's what we've created.
And so I'm not saying get rid of any of
those things. I'm saying there are enough daily prop bets

(17:38):
that you don't need to post. How many assists Terry
Rogier is going to have in the first half.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
We don't.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
We should never be able to gamble on that. Ever,
be able to gamble on that. Now, do you want
to bet that is Wimby going to score twenty five
points or more tonight?

Speaker 6 (17:52):
That's fine, Yeah, exactly if it's something that's yeah, I
think that would show the success.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
But every individual player, on every individual roster that gets
any amount of significant playing time that has a gambling
number attributed to them that night, and you think you're
going to be able to monitor all of that and
not have suspicious activity pop up. That's insane and so
shame on the NBA forever allowing it to happen, Shame

(18:18):
on the NFL forever allowing to happen. And I don't
care if we find out tonight that it's you know,
Djokich who I love is the main culprit in all
of it and runs the entire operation and goes to
prison for the rest of his life. Shame on the
shame on our leagues for letting this get out of control.
And so I hope it is a giant mess tonight.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I really do.

Speaker 7 (18:39):
I hope that it turns into a major story where
major players are are called out for it and that
and now our leagues can start putting their arms around
this and fix it, because this story is going to
make us question every single injury going forward in every
single sport for a while, for a little while, not forever.

(19:02):
We'll get over it because we love sports too much.
But this is gonna make us question everything. And so
the NBA has just got to let the FBI.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Do its thing.

Speaker 7 (19:10):
You need to put a red letter on every single
person that's involved in it and get them out of
the sport.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
That's what has to happen today.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
Well, yeah, exactly. And I mean as a coach, to
think about what you could do. If there's you could
put a player on maintenance, right who is expected to
get over under a certain point, you could I mean,
there's so many things that are involved in it easy.
It is a fake, a foot injury, exactly, all of it,
like it's just your Your whole entire league is going
to be questioned if you don't take this absolutely seriously.

(19:39):
And luckily right now the FBI is involved, so it's
impossible to not take it.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's right, that's.

Speaker 7 (19:43):
Right, And so I'm sure Adam Silver's brace for some
really hard times here going forward, but this could be
a good thing. Let it happen, yep. And then this
sets an example for everybody else in the league and
for a while, I don't think you'll have to worry
about it. But it also will give you a chance
to assess why are we letting this happen? To begin with,
we are partner, We have advertisers, you know, DraftKings depends

(20:06):
on the NBA, not the way other way around, and
so we should be able to control what they make
available to bed On going forward.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
All right, let's find out what's on tap for the
rest of the show.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
What's on TEP?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
What's on TEP?

Speaker 7 (20:22):
Oh, my gosh, did Wemby dominate last night? There's no
faking that. Forty points, fifteen rebounds, three block shots and
no turnovers. It's only I think the sixth time it's
happened in NBA history that that stat line has been
put up. Unbelievable. We'll talk about it a little bit
later on this hour. Cracking are going to be at
Winnipeg five pm. They're going to drop the puck on
that one. So Cracking versus Winnipeg five pm tonight as

(20:47):
the Crack and continue their road trip.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
They could use a win tonight.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
Sounders will be starting their playoffs Monday against Minnesota United.
That match will start at six o'clock. We'll have time
to talk about it tomorrow and Friday. Here on the
next Monday on the radio program Thursday Night Football. Tonight,
it'll be the Vikings at the Chargers. Mike Sando will
join us today at nine to thirty. Jayden Daniels is

(21:11):
out this weekend for the Washington Commanders. Lamar Jackson practiced
yesterday so he might be in this weekend for the
Baltimore Ravens and it might affect my factor. Fiction pick
today at seven thirty five, so we'll do that at
seven thirty five. Seahawks are on buy, but we haven't
had a twelve man roundtable in three weeks, so we
are going to unite Greg Bell and Hugh Millan again

(21:33):
today from eight to nine, and we will discuss the
Seahawks and everything that we haven't discussed the last couple
of weeks. Husky's in action Saturday at home against Illinois.
Softy joins us today at seven oh five to discuss it,
and of course everyone still has Mariners on the brain,
so we will have several segments today trying to make

(21:54):
sense of everything with the Seattle Mariners organization, including the
ABC's of the MS, which are going to come your
way next on Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three
point three KJRFM. Good because there are a couple of
things that I kind of want to get off my
chest about the Mariners, and he has just gotten in
the way.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Of that the last couple of days.

Speaker 7 (22:12):
So the ABC's of the MS will allow us to
talk freely here you and I Ashley with our listening
audience here today. And Q is four questionable, which I
do think at the very minimum, Dan Wilson had some
questionable calls, not just during the playoffs, not just in
Game seven, but throughout the course of the season. But

(22:33):
every manager does, there's no doubt about it. And I
would just say this, you know, because Bucky's had Dan's
back all season long, postseason, even yesterday. Now, he did
say that he would have kept Brian Who over Bizardo.
But Bucky's point was he didn't have a problem with
Bizardo getting the call in that situation where a lot
of people did. And I really I not only respect

(22:55):
Bucky's opinion, but I also respect that he's sticking to
his guns on even though everybody's saying. I remember when
Mark James started and he went in immediately on Geno Smith,
not realizing that really none of us at KJR were
sold on Geno Smith. We were all lukewarm at best
on Geno Smith. Mark thought he had a really original

(23:17):
take and he didn't. But I remember Christopher Kidd was
on Gino Smith, and I pulled Kid aside as the
veteran of this business, and I said, hey, I don't
agree with your take on Gino, but I'm glad that
you have your take on Geno, and I think you
need to support it because there are a lot of
Geno supporters out there and they want to have their

(23:37):
side of the story heard, and there aren't any here
at the station. Any guys that really like Geno. So
if you like it, don't make it up. No, I
don't want you to pretend just to be on the
other side of things. But hold your ground because it's
going to make you stand out. So I kind of
feel the same way about Bucky. Everybody's kind of bagging
on Dan, and Bucky continues to defend Dan. I think

(23:59):
he wouldn't as far as saying he thought Dan had
an excellent year this year.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I never did. I never did.

Speaker 7 (24:04):
I thought when we did our letter grades at the
end of the year, I think I gave him a
C minus when we started our when we did our
ranking how confident we were at certain areas. Of the Mariners,
that was the least confident, I think I gave him
a three on a scale from one to ten. I
felt that he was a little bit outmatched by aj
Hinch and the Tiger series, even though it was aj

(24:26):
Hinch's managerial decision that might have cost the Tigers beating
us and John Schneider I thought made some gaffes in
our series as well. So I don't think that Dan
had a terrible postseason. I don't think that the decisions
that he made. I think that the last one, the

(24:47):
one that we're talking about the most, was the most
questionable one of the entire time. But I do understand
that there's merits to all of the decisions that he made,
and there were reasons behind all of them. I would
have done a lot of things differently, especially with the
pitching decisions that were made throughout the postseason, including right
from jump. That was not the starting rotation that I

(25:09):
would have used against the Tigers when you had a
week off to set your rotation.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
So there is a lot I question.

Speaker 7 (25:15):
I think there is a lot questionable, and I think
that going into this offseason, I don't think it's out
of the question that we might have a new manager
at the beginning of next year.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Actually, one of.

Speaker 7 (25:28):
The things that I think Dan Wilson said, if I'm
going to take this job, I'm not going to be
micro managed.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm going to make the decisions.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
And they just tabbed Dan as somebody that was a
great candidate any for being a manager, great temperament, already
had the respect of the players, bright guy always we're
going to have the players backs, which he did all
season long. Was going to be able to create a
good environment in the clubhouse, which I think he did.
I think a manager more manages the players and their

(25:58):
personalities more so, and he does make an impact with
game decisions. And I think Dan was probably good at
all of those manager things. But his game decisions I
thought were questionable all season long. So did a lot
of people. And I was worried Ashley that when he
got to the postseason that it could end up being
a problem, and I do now that I get further

(26:20):
and further away from it, I feel like it was
a bigger problem the more I think about it, and
certainly the decision to go to Bizarre to we're going
to debate for years.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
Oh yeah, it's going to be. I mean, it's the
last memory we're left with really, as we were so
close to the World Series to think about, like what
could have been if you would have left in brian Wu.
Does that happen? But and that's normal I think for
any sports fan. I had a lot of questions. But
then I also have kind of taken it back and
thought to myself, well, if you left in brian Wu

(26:50):
and he gives up that home run, your question for
leaving in brian Wu? Yeah, he's yeah, you're gonna get
question either no matter what you do right. And it
is interesting because you said, you know, nowadays the the
manager is really you're more about the players and the
personalities and the things like that and not the game decision.
So then I wonder how many of those questionable game
decisions were actually Dan Wilson decisions or part of the
plan that the team had come up with.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, to me, that was the problem.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
I think they had a strategy, and I think that
Dan didn't adjust to the situation in a pivotal game. Yeah,
he never managed the game seven before. I think he
had a fine strategy, which we've discussed numerous times. I
think he was planning on going George Kirby two times
through the lineup. If he got in any trouble, I'm
going to Gabe Spier to get him out, because relief

(27:36):
pitchers are used to coming in with guys on base.
Then I think he was going to go for Brian
wu for one time through the lineup, and if he
was on a roll, he was going to stick with
him for three full innings, and if not, he had
Bizardo to back him up, and that's who he was
going to bring up because Bizardo's been good with guys
in scoring position or on base when he inherited runners.

(27:57):
And then I think he was going to go Munnos
for two full innings as he was well rested, and if.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
He got in any trouble. Matt Brash is.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
The guy that has closed out games. He's the only
other one. Yeah, so we're gonna go to Matt Brash
in that situation if Munjos gets into trouble. I think
that was the strategy, and I think that's a fine strategy.
I think that's a really interesting strategy. But part of
being a manager is things happen in a game. The
timing is off, and you got to make decisions.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
We can't call Jerry and Justin and say, what do
the analytics tell us?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, you got to be two three steps ahead of
this sucker. And when you saw.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
Springer and Guerrero do up fourth and sixth, yeah, and
that seventh inning, and it never crossed your mind to
get at least two guys up in the pen and
maybe your best reliever, you're all star reliever up because
this might be the last time we have to face
these two guys, and they're the only two guys that
we truly fear in the lineup. How you don't have

(28:52):
your best available to go at their best for one
final time in the series. I can find somebody else
to close out a game against the bottom.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Of the order.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
Yeah, but I mean you had Castillo and Miller available to.

Speaker 7 (29:04):
You had Castillo and Miller available to Randy Johnson once
closed out a World Series getting.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
A save for the Diamondbacks for goodness sake.

Speaker 7 (29:10):
So to me, that's the thing that I think was
the problem with Dan all season long, all postseason long,
and certainly in the most important moment, the elimination moment
in essence of the season is I think that the
game moved too fast for him. And sometimes you can
make up for that. Joe Tory was not a great
X AS and Os guy.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
He just wasn't.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
But he was a master at managing player personalities, getting
the most out of individual players. My goodness, he turned
Felix Jose into an All Star back in his days
in Saint Louis. And you don't know that reference that
you out there listening, but trust me, that's a miracle.
And so but man, when he got to the Yankees,

(29:51):
he had Don Zimmer, smart, little Yoda don Zimmer sitting
next to him the entire time. Don didn't have the
chops to be a manager. He didn't want to deal
with the media, he didn't want to deal with the personalities.
He just wanted to be the fun, loving to But
when it came to game decisions, he had Yoda sitting
next to him telling him, all right, you know, being
two three steps ahead. So maybe it's not a situation

(30:13):
where Dan needs to be micro managed. We've seen Jerry
and Justin do it in the past. I don't think
they're very good at it. But maybe he needs a
better right hand man. Maybe maybe we need a don Zimmer,
somebody that's been there, done that before that maybe doesn't
want to deal with the media every day, but can
sit there next to Dan and tell him, all right,
this is coming up.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
Yeah, we got to think about this.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
We got to think about this. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (30:35):
And and really maybe that's the solution to it, because Dan,
after winning a division probably shouldn't be fired. But I
don't want to go through this again next postseason. I
don't want a manager that's slow on the draw next postseason.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
No, And I do think that our hope, I guess
I do hope that a lot of that had to
do with the fact that he's a first year manager
and you know, you're adjusting your learning things as you go,
and especially in playoffs. I mean, you've not not been there,
so how are you gonna know? Necessarily? But they I
think the organization could have been better prepared for that
to have him assisted in that situation.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (31:11):
I mean, I don't want to say this because I
just really liked the guy a lot, But Manny Acta
was supposed to be that guy. What has Manny act
approved as a manager in postseason baseball?

Speaker 2 (31:21):
He might not be the right guy.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
Yeah, So I'm not in the right position there maybe.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
Yeah. So anyway, it's gonna be debated for a long time.
We're gonna talk more about it a little bit later
on in the show today because Bucky's not here and
it really gives me freedom, all right, coming up next, Man,
it was a game for the ages and it happened
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Speaker 10 (31:48):
Portland Trowblazer's head coach Chauncey Billups and Miami heat Guarteri
Rozier have both been arrested this morning Billups around six
am in Portland, Oregon, in Roseer around six am. I'm
told in Orlando where the heat we're playing. Last night,
Rosier has been arrested for his involvement in alleged sports
gambling prop bets and Billups. ABC News is reporting is

(32:13):
tied to an illegal poker operation tied to the mafia.
And so you know, the FBI has been investigating this
situation for several months, in Rosier's case at least two years,
and today is making arrests. There is a press conference
that is set by the FBI. This is really seismic
news in the NBA for a sitting NBA head coach

(32:36):
in Chauncey Billups to be an arrested taken into custody
for alleged illegal gambling, as well as Terry Rozier for
sports betting. Allegedly two arrests made this morning. There are
expected to be numerous arrests also tied to both of
these situations.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
Wow, wow, wow, I'm breaking news this morning before we
even got on the airway. Is that sham Sharanya breaking
the story? And also ABC News about Chauncey Phillips, Terry
Rogier arrested this morning as part of investigations related to
illegal gambling. Some other names expected to be revealed the later.
Other arrest to be made and probably within the NBA family.

(33:18):
So something to monitor and certainly something to discuss all
day long here at Sports Radio ninety three point three KHRFM.
But there's a lot of other things to discuss as well.
Chuck and Ashley with you. Bucky is out today. We
will have a twelve man roundtable a little bit later
on in the show, and Softie's gonna join us here
in a matter of seconds. But let's first rip through

(33:39):
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Speaking of the NBA, Victor Wimbin Yama dominated last night
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Speaker 2 (33:55):
Alien from not of Earth, as he was sensational.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
Last night and has everybody in the league wondering how
we are going to defend against the new and improved
Victor winmbin Yama. NHL, the Kraken have run into some trouble.
They've lost back to back road games and they're still
on the road.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
They'll be in Winnipeg tonight.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
The puck will drop at five o'clock against the Jets.
The Sounders play Monday, the first playoff match of the postseason.
They'll take on Minnesota United at six o'clock.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
It's Thursday Night football.

Speaker 7 (34:28):
The Vikings will be in La taking on the Chargers.
Speaking of the National Football League, Lamar Jackson practiced yesterday.
He might be in for this week's Baltimore game. Meanwhile,
Jaden Daniels is certainly out for the Washington Commanders. The
Seahawks are on Buy Something. We'll discuss with our roundtable
guys at eight o'clock, and the Huskies are in action

(34:49):
against Illinois this Saturday, kickoff at twelve thirty. Of course,
David Softy Maller joins us every Thursday to talk some
Huskies football, and lately he's had the ma Erranders on
the brain, and my guess is that he's but to
talk about his pent up thoughts because you haven't even
really had airtime this week, and to get it off
your chest.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Well, first of all, I just want to talk about
which kJ our host is the most likely if any
of us would ever be arrested for our involvement in
an illegal poker ring.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I don't know Mark James, which one would it be.
I don't know how they think about that, Mark James.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
That's probably the guy after you. Yeah, right, that's what
I thought about. I won't say his name, but it
rhymes with March. I mean, it's so easy, Like why
am I even bothering asking the question?

Speaker 6 (35:38):
Right?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Like?

Speaker 7 (35:40):
WHOA? How about that for a story though?

Speaker 11 (35:44):
My yeah, well, you know, I don't know, man.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
I just kind of feel like people will come out
and say, what's the big deal, it's just a little poker. Well,
I don't know, man, it feels like it goes a
lot deeper than that. But whatever the rules say. If
you're a head coach in the NBA, if you're an
NBA player, if you're a college basketball player, and they
you know, the n CUALEA just announced was it yesterday
or this morning or whatever, that players are now allowed

(36:10):
to bet on pro sports college athletes are as.

Speaker 11 (36:14):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I did not know that they just changed that rule.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
And not two days later, Chauncey Billups and Terry Rogier
are getting busted.

Speaker 11 (36:21):
So that's great. You know, whatever the rules say you
can do, you can do.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
If they say you can't do something, then stop bitching
about it and stop doing it, or get the.

Speaker 11 (36:30):
Hell out of that league, for God's sake.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
So I don't know, man, what a wild story, but
a nice temporary distraction from the sadness that is still
set in and it's still very much prevalent after Monday night.
You know, God, I feel like, was it old school
when Will Ferrell got shot in the neck with a
tranquilizer dart and fell into the pool.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
His life is just falling apart. He's getting divorced, He's
a miserable bastard, direkness mal o friend is just playing
in the background.

Speaker 11 (37:03):
That's the way I felt since Monday night. Man.

Speaker 7 (37:05):
Yeah, I haven't chatted with you, but you do seem
more just sad than angry.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
That's exactly it. And that's the way I felt since
since Monday night, that this is something that we've been
dreaming about for fifty years in this town.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
Man.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
You know, the Mariners became a thing when I was
four years old, and ever since then I've been waiting
and hoping and dreaming about a world series and was
able to accomplish as a fan, I guess pretty much
everything else there is to do in a lot of ways, right,
you know, with the Sonics and the Huskies and the Seahawks,
And this is the one thing that we haven't crossed

(37:41):
off the list. And it's the one thing that you know,
growing up, you're kind of told indirectly by the actions
of a franchise that this isn't for you. You know,
this is for the Cardinals, or this is for the Yankees,
or this is for the Red Sox or the Mets
or somebody else, and it's not for you. And all
of a sudden, you're fifty two years old and you're
eight outs away. And I don't know about you, Chuck

(38:03):
and Ashley, but eight outs away, I started to foolishly
allow myself to kind of start to think that maybe
this is actually happening. And then it all fell apart,
and it's just an absolute crusher beyond crusher, you know.
I mean, look, I may change my mind and six
months or a year, five years from now, but compare
this to to Kenba, compare this to Malcolm Butler all

(38:25):
those other you know, just completely heartbreaking moments that we've had.
It's number one for me right now, number one on
my list.

Speaker 7 (38:34):
If there is something that you're angry about from the
way it ended, what is it?

Speaker 6 (38:40):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (38:41):
You know, I gotta be honest with you, Chuck. I
really am having a hard time conjuring up the anger emotion.
And I guess if there was anything, it would be.
You know, why couldn't Dan Wilson just have done what
everybody wanted him to do in that game and keep
Kirby in there, go to Brian Wu and then go

(39:01):
to Andress Munno's yeah, and just finish it out. But
I'm just so there's just so much sadness right, there's
just so much heartbreak over all of that that I
haven't even gotten to that stage yet. I mean, you
tell me, right, you're the psychiatrist here, you tell me.

Speaker 11 (39:18):
Is it is it grief before anger? Is it anger
before grief? I don't know. Maybe I'm doing this backwards man.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (39:25):
Uh yeah, well, uh number one. As your psychiatrist, I
don't think there's any helping you.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah. Yeah, So just say that.

Speaker 11 (39:35):
Yeah, the rest of my life, and I should accept that. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (39:37):
No, I just I figured, I mean, I know I
know that you didn't exactly like the decision by Dan Wilson.
I think he struggled with game decisions throughout the course
of the year. I think he's very strong in other areas,
and those other areas are very important, like you know,
getting the most out of your players and having a

(39:58):
great clubhouse, and you know, and I think he had
a good game plan coming into the game. Kirby Woo
to Munos, I think was the game plan. But it
really is hard for me to believe that either he
or somebody else in that dugout didn't see that. Hey,
do you know we might have to face Springer and

(40:18):
Guerrero only one more time before this game comes to
a close, and let's make sure we have either our
best starter on the mound, which they already had, or
our best reliever up and ready to face them when
the time comes. And for that not to even be
a thought to look out to the bullpen and there's
one dude out there and it's Bizardo. To me, that

(40:42):
was you had a great game plan, but you did
not You did not react well to how the game
was unfolding.

Speaker 10 (40:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
Well, and look, I mean we can also argue that
it never should have gotten into game seven in the
first place, you know, and you know, what have we've
been saying for years about this rotation?

Speaker 11 (40:58):
Just get in and you know, watch these guys just
work their magic.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
And I was I don't know about you, but I
was pretty much woefully, you know, unimpressed by the rotation
in the postseason. Yeah, thought they'd be a lot more
dominant than they were. Maybe that's unfair, but you know,
I'm looking at what the Dodgers are doing with what
they got going on right now, and I mean that's dominance.
That is absolute, unbelievable, elite dominance and maybe one of

(41:26):
the best postseason rotations we've ever seen, to be honest
with you, in LA And I, foolishly, I guess, thought
that we had something like that, and we don't either
a because the baseball team doesn't allow it to, you know,
develop into that in the postseason. When you're yanking guys
out after four innings or three and two thirds and

(41:47):
one sign of trouble, you're jumping off the ship. I
get it, you know, but that to me is one
of my biggest kind of disappointments. Sure, I thought these
were guys that we could count on to be elite
and they were not.

Speaker 7 (41:58):
Yeah, and you had the chance to set the rotation.
He had a week off to make sure that you
had exactly who you wanted to pitch in the exact
situation that you wanted them to pitch in.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
And you're right.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
You know, you think back to Games four and six
and how poorly the team played. So you're right, we
can't just boil it down to one decision that had
some merit to it because Bizardo was excellent all season
long with inherited runners on base.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
We can't boil it down to that one decision.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
There were opportunities earlier in the series to put the
Blue Jays away.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
You know what, I'm glad you said that because and
that's why I just look, I would not have done
it the way Dan did it. I would have done
it the way you're talking about doing it. But to
just if we're being fair, to just dismiss the idea
of going to Bizardo out of hand and just saying
this is the most ridiculous, idiotic.

Speaker 11 (42:50):
Thing, I don't think that's fair.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Yeah, I think that there are reasons that make a
lot of sense why Dan Wilson would have gone to Bizardo.
There including as you said, his strand eight during the year,
and we talked about this on Tuesday Morning show that
if he gets the job done there, which nobody would
have been surprised, right if Bizardo got the job done,
and that seventh inning, We're sitting there probably on Tuesday morning,

(43:14):
and you're on the postgame show on Monday night saying
where would this team.

Speaker 11 (43:18):
Be without BIZARREDA yeah, yeah, and the job he's done.
You know, this guy was the mop early in the year.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
We used to call him the mop because he would
come in when the games are out of hand and
he was just part of the cleanup crew. And now
he was a vital part of your bullpen. So I
think there is merit behind Dan Wilson and what he did.
But like I said, Chuck, you just to kind of
go back to the beginning the anger stage. Has I
haven't even touched the tip of the anger stage yet, dude,

(43:43):
because I'm just so freaking bummed out about what happened
on Monday.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Understand understandable, no question about it.

Speaker 7 (43:49):
Softy's with us Thursdays with Softy right here on chugging
back in the morning. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Well,
our remaining time, have you been able to any of
your thoughts toward Illinois?

Speaker 5 (44:02):
This says yes, this unbelievable, legendary long time rivalry between
U DUB and Illinois that goes back about a year
and a half. Actually we had them in the Rose
Bowl about forty years ago, so for longtime Husky fans,
I guess you kind of remember moments like that. But
I mean, look, dude, they got they got five games

(44:22):
left to go where they can really decide if they
want to be a nine win team or maybe you know,
a six or a seven win team.

Speaker 11 (44:30):
Ucla perdue Wisconsin.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
I'm sorry, I think those are all games that Washington
should win. I know UCLA is playing better as of late,
but those are three games. I think udub's gonna have
better talent, they've had better coaching, and they should win
those games. I don't know if you've been kind of
tracking what's happening at Wisconsin, but they want Luke Fickles
head on a stick ye out there right now. It's
unbelievable how much crap he's taken from his fan base.

(44:53):
And I'm kind of bummed out because we're gonna actually
go out there in a couple weeks, and I was
looking forward to seeing what that atmosphere fel feels like,
looks like, and I'm kind of thinking it won't even
be you know, a shell of what it normally is
out there. So that that's eight wins and then this
game right here on Saturday. Hey, you know Wilner has
been tracking the stats. You know, teams going multiple time

(45:14):
zones east or West in the Big Ten have not
fared well at all straight up and against the spread.
So I think you Dubs in a good spot coming
off a kind of embarrassing game at Michigan where they
didn't play very well. The offense fell apart and puked
all over itself in the second half with those turnovers.
And now they're coming back home with a chance to
get another big win and maybe shoot for a nine

(45:36):
or you know, if not a ten win season, maybe
in a bowl game.

Speaker 11 (45:39):
So this is a crucial game for Jetfish.

Speaker 7 (45:42):
Yeah, and speaking of him, I mean the way he's
conducted his career, you know, kind of bouncing from program
to program. He's an easy target, he is bouncing. Yeah,
He's an easy target for any kind of trade. Trade rumors,
coaching vacancy rumors that are that are out there as
flagship for the Huskies football. Here Kjar as the kind

(46:03):
of the face for our coverage of the Huskies.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
On Kjar, I mean.

Speaker 7 (46:08):
You talk, You're gonna be talking about this team for
four hour pregame this Saturday, and you're I mean, how
are you treating the Jetfish rumors and how much substance
are you giving them?

Speaker 5 (46:20):
I mean, I think there's you got to talk about it, right,
I mean, this is Look at the guy's resume. I mean,
I mean, look or not, I'm just not going to
ignore reality. I mean, Jetfish even I think he was
either at his press conference or it's some later point
in time, he's even admitted it. Look, I've moved around
a lot, and he gets it. You know, he understands
what his resume looks like here. You know, he comes

(46:41):
out with a visor as an homage to Steve Spurrier.

Speaker 11 (46:45):
He graduated from Florida.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
I mean, look, obviously the guy's got a desire to
go to the NFL, and he's probably got a big
desire at one point in time to be the head
coach of the Florida Gators. It doesn't mean that while
he's here, he's not going to do a good job.
I think there's absolutely, though, a reason for Husky fans
to wonder, you know, what Jetfish's future looks like.

Speaker 11 (47:07):
Both long term and short term. You know.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
I mean, we're in a day and age where players
are moving around like crazy, coaches are moving around like crazy.
That's why I love the signetti thing, by the way
so much when he stayed in Indiana, thought it was
great for college football that he stayed there at that spot.
But this idea that we can just ignore Jetfish's history
and Jetfish's resume and his status that is kind of

(47:30):
a vagabond, I think is crazy. So I think he's
doing a fine job right now while he's here, but
I think just to ignore that is absolutely nuts.

Speaker 7 (47:38):
All right, So I think maybe the key to beating
Illinois is to not wait till the second half to
get the offense going.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Yeah, let's do that, and let's also get Joonahcomon going.
I mean, he's at seven straight Big Ten games where
he hasn't had one hundred yard day, Which is weird
to say that about a guy that we thought would
be a potential first team All Big ten maybe all
American running back. I mean, the guy's averaging four Big
ten games, is averaging three and a half yards of carry,
which is not good enough for No, not for Jonah Coleman,

(48:07):
not for one of your highest paid players on the
football team, which is still weird to say, by the way,
four years ago, Yeah, it would have been arrested for
something like that. But that's not good enough, you know,
And I don't want to just use the injuries chuck
to the offensive line to explain it away, right, I mean,
are we going to sit here and really say that
Carver Willis and John Mills, who's a pure freshman guard,

(48:28):
are the reason why the Huskies can't run the ball? Really,
because I thought Jonah Coleman was a guy that could
run through contact and he would, you know, the run
game would travel against anybody, no matter who they played,
they'd be able to run. Look, I'm not just ignoring
the fact that those guys are hurt, and that's a
big that's a big problem. But they got to get
him going. I don't care who's on the offensive line.

Speaker 7 (48:48):
All right, man, thank you very much for joining us.
We appreciate it. Sorry, I know that I know you
were so close to tasting something you've dreamed about your
whole life. I was thinking about you that whole evening
and all week long. So people like you and Ashley
that just want to want to relive this dream. So
you're going to someday. I know you don't want to

(49:10):
hear it right now, but you're going to.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
So yeah, well, you know we thought that thirty years ago.
Yeah that ninety five run here, and here we are
thirty years later, still waiting for it. So that's the
worst part, dude, is having to go back to the
beginning and starting all over again.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, all right, man, we'll talk to you soon. All right, Bud,
there he is.

Speaker 7 (49:27):
David Softy mall are the one the only joining us
right here. Every Thursday on Chuck and Buck, we're gonna
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(49:52):
have reassembled the team.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
For the most part. Bucky's not here, but.

Speaker 7 (49:56):
We do have our experts every Thursday for an hour
most Thursdays, they join us for the twelfth Man Roundtable.
R QB one You Millanus with US. Our Seahawks insider
Greg bell Is with US. It is bye week, but
by gum, we're going to talk some Seahawks football for
an entire hour here today. And so we kind of
finished off talking about a couple of the deficiencies of

(50:19):
this team and still not being able to establish the
run this season, injuries in the secondary, a pass rush
that disappeared against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
But boy, here, you cover up a lot.

Speaker 7 (50:31):
Of warts when you've got the number one rated quarterback
in PFF and you've got the number one wide receiver
by two hundred yards in the National Football League, Sam
Darnald and JSN. I think, in an honest moment, John
Schneider has to admit they're even better than I thought
they were going to be.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, I totally agree.

Speaker 12 (50:50):
And you look at the yards per attempt, Sam Donald
number one, yards per completion number one in and then
when you go percentage of completions that are ten or
more yards, Sam Donald's number one at fifty eight percent.
I'm gonna mention number two for obvious reasons. It's Michael

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Pennix at fifty two point one percent. The gap between
one and two is greater in the gap between two
and seven. That again, you know, so he's pushing the
ball down the field that I actually had in the
stat portal that I actually the NFL has a They
have a category called checkdown. His checkdown percentage, now that

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would be subjective. That's somebody going through and he is.
He's thirtieth so meaning meaning he he had out of
thirty two quarterbacks, he's checking down almost the least. His
off target percentage. Here's another one. The average in the
NFL is ten point four percent of quarterbacks have off

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target and even with Donald pushing the ball, the degree
that we're talking about his off target percent is six
point three percent. That's number two in the NFL. Like you,
just the longer you pore over the stats, the more
you're looking. Said, this guy's having a hell of a season,
and JASN, what can you say? I thought there might
be a concern whether he could win on the outside

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to the level that he was winning on the inside.
I thought he's an elite inside guy, but maybe just
kind of slightly above average outside. Well, I can kind
of table that concern for a long time because he's
just shown he can do it all. I think the
only concern Greg is that that if when I envisioned

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the Seahawks reaching their ultimate potential and whatever that means,
and obviously we're talking about how that might play out
in January and maybe even hopefully February. February, I just
I cannot get my arms around that this is the
best ratio when when you had JSN had fourteen targets
the other night and Cooper Cup had one at the

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other starting receiver, I don't think they're realizing their highest potential.
So that would be my one concern in the passing game.
Is it too much JSN centric?

Speaker 8 (53:14):
And when you ask Darnold about that, he says, these
are my progressions. I asked him why he threw on fourth.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
And one on a rollout.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
He had Barner in the flat in the third I
think it was the third quarter against Houston, had Barner
in the flat, and then he had JSN on an
eighteen yard out route. He threw the eighteen yard out
route and converted it and they got a touchdown in
that drive.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I think it was a touchdown on drive.

Speaker 8 (53:36):
I was watching two games at once that night. So
the point is he's going to Smith and Jigbey even
when the play, I mean, most quarterbacks are going to
throw the three yard out route there.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
He said, on that.

Speaker 8 (53:47):
Particular play, he thought the linebacker would tackle Barner immediately
and he had less of a chance of getting the
first down than Jasn beating his guy. Smith and Jig
was beating every coverage. They've seen shell, they've seen double cover,
they've seen man, they play zone. They're shading and rolling
coverage to his side, backside. They've been throwing the JSN.

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He's going out of his way to throw to Smith
and Jig, but regardless of formation, regardless of coverage, regardless
of pressure, and so far it's winning. But the disparity
that Hughes talking about. The coaches are aware of it
and they're trying to even that out somewhat. But the
guy who's making the decisions throwing the ball doesn't care

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about that. He's just going with what he sees as
progressing in his best chance to complete a pass. It
is an interesting down the line defenses are going to
scheme that way and to see if they can tilt
the tables completely in coverage against Smith and Jig, and
if Darnold's still going to throw that way. That is

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a cat and mouse game that may rear itself when
they play the Rams twice and the forty nine ers
coming up. But so far, it doesn't matter what coverage,
it doesn't matter what situation Darnold's deciding he's throwing to
Smith and Jiggba. They especially do it. I don't have
the numbers in front of me, just anecdotally. They especially
do it on sudden change. You'll notice when they get
stops on turnover, on downs or interceptions and fumbles, they

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take deep strikes with Smith and Jigba almost every time.
They did it four different times against Houston, and they
had a lot of opportunities because Houston went for fourth
downs three times and missed it. They went right to
Jasen down the field on the quick strike after the
sudden change. It's it's kind of like the old Pete
Carroll defense around here. We're gonna tell you exactly how

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we're doing it. We're gonna do it. Try to stop it,
you can't stop us, and that's what they're doing with
jas Center and now.

Speaker 7 (55:40):
Well, it's interesting because I remember Hugh like the NBA
used to be about like balance the floor. Everybody can
shoot and then all of a sudden, this guy named
Michael Jordan came around, and they're like, why we want
everybody to shoot when we just want him to have
the ball, and then let's just get four complimentary pieces
around him. And if he wants to shoot every time,
he can shoot every but we're gonna trust him to

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throw it to the open man. You really haven't never
had that advantage in the National Football League. I'm with you,
like with the balance, But I just heard Gronk say
Saturday man, Jamar Chase is getting targeted twenty three times
in a game and it worked out for the Bengals
on Thursday night. Justin Jefferson should get targeted twenty three
times a game as well. And I'm starting to wonder

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if Jsen is not in this category with Jamar Chase
and with and with Justin Jefferson, and maybe Sam should
be throwing him the ball every single time that he's open.
What do you think about that?

Speaker 12 (56:33):
Yeah, I think there's some truth to that. And look,
I've there's a lot of layers to this discussion. The
play that Greg references that on the fourth down, Yeah,
he had Barner on what's called a slip route where
he's going. When they snap the ball, he's behind the guard.
So by the time he gets out to the flat
in man to man coverage, that guy's waiting for him.

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So I'm not surprised. I mean, tell me, the greatest
tight end receiving Kellen Winslow as prime wasn't going to
be open on that play and j s N one
on that play. That's absolutely true, and we're seeing a
lot of that. But I watched the tape and there
are are times where Tory Horton is wide freaking open

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on a dagger route and Cooper Cup has been open
as well. I think even from a play calling standpoint,
having UH.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Thrown just throwing, just throwing the.

Speaker 12 (57:29):
Ball out in the flat or a wide receiver screen,
to me, like, if I throw a wide receiver screen,
I'm not gonna throw it to JSN usually because that's
an opportunity for those to go. And I just i'd
compare it to the US nuclear strategy, the strategic doction
UH of the Triad. Greg you're in the military, you
know you go. You want to have a third of
your your arsenal in in in ground based ICBMs, A

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third of your arsenal in in subs and a third
of your arsenal in bomber base, which are retel but
at least in the event that that the Soviets or
somebody else knock out one of those phases, you still
have two other robust phases. And so I don't want
to come in in January and be doing a postgame

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where we lose nineteen to thirteen in a playoff game
and a team figured out how to corral JSN and
and you hadn't developed the cohesion and the ability to
get production out of those other receivers, including the tight ends.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
So that would be my concern.

Speaker 12 (58:36):
Look, look, if they're if they're not going to roll
the coverage to them, they're going to give them single coverage.
And on that play that Greg describes, Greg is absolutely right,
and Sam Darnold's absolutely right. Was man and man coverage,
Barner's covered in the flat, throw it to JSN on
the out route. But I think as a comprehensive idea,

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I'll stand by I think that they need to change
thence a little great.

Speaker 8 (59:02):
It's to do that, though, right, because I mean, Donald
is leading the league and everything, and he's this wildly
successful quarterback doing it this way, I could see intrinsically,
why even if coach is telling him to do it,
why when he's actually throwing the ball in games, he won't.

Speaker 7 (59:16):
Like having a hot hand, Like why should I stop
shooting thirty five footers I'm hitting I'm hot.

Speaker 12 (59:22):
Well, there there are times where there was fairly significant
intermediate completions to be had that are fairly easy.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
That he said, well, well, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 12 (59:32):
If you're if you're just doing quarterback one oh one,
the matchup, the coverage where it is, you'd say, take
a look at Horton on that eighteen yard dagger. It's
wide ass open. It's a laying you know. So I'm
mostly on it. Look, if i haven't made myself clear,
I'll say it again. I love Sam Donald as a quarterback,

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as a guy, as the leader of this team, as
a toughness as he's pushing the ball down the field.
I am not here to criticize Sam Darnold. I'm loving
what I'm seeing as a Seahawks fan. I'm just trying
to say, hey, you're always trying to reach your highest potential,
right and and to just say well, we're good, let's

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not try and improve. That's not gonna get you a championship. Usually,
that's not what Super Bowl teams do, is sitting there
say we're good. No, you're always looking to try and
get better. And I think they can be a little
better on offense, score a few more points, and be
even better in the passing game with.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
It just a little bit of a tweet, A little
bit of a tweet.

Speaker 13 (01:00:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fourteen, I'll say that we get
that Ratios Cup twice.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Here mel at Greg Mell with his twelfth man round Table.

Speaker 7 (01:00:52):
I still want to talk about what looks to be
a breakout star for the Seahawks. All and our last
segment together, and I'm sure we got some other things
to Sports Radio ninety three point three kh A RFM

(01:01:15):
probet nine o'clock hour, run a little bit late, you
know those round table guys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
But a blah blah blah blam.

Speaker 7 (01:01:20):
It's Chuck Pallet's Ashley Ryan with you here on this Thursday.
No Bucky Jacobson today, ed take a couple of days off.
We're gonna have Mike Sando join us at nine thirty
here today to preview Thursday night football. Also get his
thoughts on the Seahawks here at the bye But in
the meantime, I know a lot of people still have
Mariners on the brain. I'm trying not to overdo it,

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but it is still kind of what I want to
talk about all the time.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
It's all that anyone's talking to me about.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Is that right? Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:01:48):
I even had a moment where I've even gotten sick
of talking about baseball, believe it or not, like the
off there, not during the shows. The shows is where
I want to do it. But I even went and
got sushi yesterday and ended up in an hour conversation
about where Dan went wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:02:02):
Yeah, that's what I was getting that yesterday. What do
you think? And I was like, I don't know. My
brain still hurts, my heart still hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
It's not that I don't love it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
And I dove right back into the conversation with my friend.
But nonetheless, I mean, I've just pretty much talked about
baseball for nothing but two weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
Yeah, a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
And yet here we go again, because I'm going to
title this segment manage Angerment.

Speaker 6 (01:02:25):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (01:02:26):
Like that, because there are a lot of strange things.
There are some odd things going on right now in
Major League Baseball in terms of the managerial hirings that
have taken place. And so I'm just going to start.
I'm just going to throw this out and then I'll
explain why I'm throwing it out. Is it out of
the question that Dan Wilson is not back next year?
And it's certainly nothing that I would wager on that

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he wouldn't be back next year. But I also don't
think it's out of the question. And I'll get to
that here in my own peculiar way. All Right, this
has been a strange hiring period in Major League Baseball.
Number One, the Giants just hired a college baseball coach,

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Tony Vittello.

Speaker 6 (01:03:10):
He was very fun.

Speaker 7 (01:03:12):
He's fairly very fun. But nobody knows how this is
going to work. This has not happened since like nineteen eighty. Yeah,
that somebody, this happens all the time in college football
and in college basketball. That a really great coach is like, hey,
you want if you ever thought about coaching in the pros.
I mean, Mike Krzyzewski was rumored for thirty years to
go to the pros and he never did. So it

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happens all the time. That's not news. This is news
that somebody would hire somebody was just I mean, Pat
Murphy was a college manager and then but he sat
on the bench with Craig Counsel in Milwaukee for years,
and then when Craig Counsel jumped over to Chicago, they
asked Pat Murphy if he wanted the job, and he

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felt he'd learned enough about the major league games sitting
there being the right hand man for Craig Counsel.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Thought he was still young enough, so he took the job.

Speaker 7 (01:04:00):
But to go with a young, like forty year old
college baseball coach and make him a manager of a
major league team hasn't happened in nearly fifty years.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
It's crazy, and so that's crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
Kurt Suzuki got hired by the Angels on a one
year contract. Can you imagine that? A one year contract?
I mean that they always, yeah, talk about prove it.
They always talk about like, well, I can't be on
my last year of my contract. No, the players will
take me seriously. And here are the Angels saying, we'll
hire you, but we don't really believe in you. So

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one year, prove it or you're out. Yeah. He signed
quite a few people too, a lot of people, Yeah,
including Albert Pooles and Tory Hunter, Angels.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Legends, So that's weird.

Speaker 7 (01:04:50):
There there's a chance Scott's Service could be a manager
next year. He's being interviewed everywhere. Wouldn't it be strange
if Scott Service is managing somewhere next year in Major
League Baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
And Dan wasn't.

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
Yeah, now I don't think that that's going to happen,
but I guess I'm pointing out stranger things are happening.
And look, we are in a championship window and we've
been in it for a while. We haven't always acted
that way since entering this window. We know front office ownership,
they've not acted like we're in a championship window.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
At all times.

Speaker 7 (01:05:23):
They've come up a little short in off season and
even trade deadlines. But I will defend them a little
bit because when we made the playoffs in twenty twenty two,
they were very aggressive at the trading deadline, and we
made the playoffs. This year, we make the playoffs, we
were very aggressive at the trading deadline. We were also
very aggressive the previous year and ended up falling one

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game short, but at the time in the past Jerry
and Justin aren't making by trades at the deadline like
they did a year ago. So three of the last
four years aggression at the trading deadline. I think they've
done really well at the trading dead line, but I
do remember times where they had one foot in the
boat and one foot out of the boat. Kendall Graveman

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year as an example, Paul Sewalld year as an example,
And so they haven't always acted like we're in a
championship window. And I don't know why you go through
all the hard and brilliant work of creating the foundation
that you've created if you aren't going to just go
for it every year. To a degree, I'm not saying
all in. I think that's a stupid statement to make

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in baseball. To go all in, Oh, prospects are available,
I think that's just I think that's hot air. I
don't want to go all in. What Jerry and Justin
want to do is what I would do if I
was a general manager. They want to create a championship window,
and they want to make that window.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
As long as possible. As long as possible, but you
can't stop short while you're.

Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
In the window of trying to win the championship, and
this year they did a very good job of it,
and it's the closest that we've come ever to getting there.
And so when you're thinking about a manager and maybe
they do believe they've got the right guy and Dan Wilson,
then this is nothing that they're even entertaining. But if
you are sitting there in a year in which he

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was bagged pretty hard, not just locally, not just by
the loud mouths on Twitter, not just the trolls, the
faceless trolls on social media, but local media, national media
players who are analysts at MLB network. I mean, he
was questioned all season long for his managerial moves by

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most of baseball, and people did worry that that would
carry over into the playoffs and maybe become an issue,
because of course those managerial decisions happen faster in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
They're more impactful.

Speaker 7 (01:07:53):
You can't be caught snoozing, and I think that to
a degree, Dan Wilson was caught snoozing at the most
important time of the entire year. And so I don't
know if they're having this conversation behind the scenes, but
I don't rule out that in a championship window that Jerry, Justin,
John and whoever else's opinion that they trust.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
That they know won't get back to Dan. Aren't having
a meeting somewhere saying is either right guy or not?

Speaker 7 (01:08:21):
Because I don't want this to be what gets in
the way next year or the following year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Let's make a decision. Is he going to learn? Is
he going to be quicker on the draw and next season?

Speaker 7 (01:08:33):
Because there's a lot of great things Dan Wilson brings
to the table, A lot of great things that Dan
Wilson brings to the table, but you never know how
they're going to react in the moment in games until
they're actually under that gun. And I don't think Dan
Wilson was good at that during the regular season, and
I don't think he was that good at it in
the postseason. I mean, John Schneider made a huge couple

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of mistakes as well, and they ended up winning the series.
And I think that aj Hinch, who everybody said is
such a brilliant manager, he blew it against us in
Game number five, taking Trek schoobl out of the game.
So I do think there is a conversation to be
held somewhere secretively that hopefully Dan never hears it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
But they're going to converse about is he the right guy?

Speaker 7 (01:09:19):
And if he's not, then we've got to do the
painful thing of popping him from the job and finding
the right guy because we can't squander years of the
championship window any longer. We have to take advantage every
single year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Of what we have.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
We definitely have to take advantage. But I do wonder
how much of it they're looking at and saying, you
know what, it's just first year manager. You know, problems,
things that we have to work through. He's going to
be a little slower because the last thing he wants
to do is make decisions too quickly and lose games
that way. So he's going to think them through a
little bit longer, and then as he gets a feel
for it more. I would think that they would expect

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that he would, you know it, just has to get
a feel for how the game goes, and then that
is going to help shape his judgment in the future
versus this year. It's because I do think in certain instances,
I remember this year too, when he'd make a decision
maybe we thought was too quick, then he'd get called
out for that. So, I mean he is going to
get called out by people for whether it's you know,

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too slow of a decision, the wrong decision, too quick
of a decision, if he's pulling the starter or too fast,
or leaving him in too long.

Speaker 7 (01:10:23):
I mean, well, it is the ultimate skill skill of
the manager. It is the ultimate responsibility because usually like
offensive x's and o's kind of take care of themselves.
Maybe you could say when you bunt, when you try
to play small ball, things of that nature.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
But really, the modern.

Speaker 7 (01:10:39):
Manager, there's a reason they're not called head coaches. They
manage personalities. They're trying to get the most out of
the talent that they've been given by the front office.
And I think we all agree he's been given plenty
of talent by the front office. And usually, like the
modern manager, really the most important thing that you do
is make those decisions as to when to take pitchers

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out and who to place them with. Yeah, and if
that's where he's struggling, that's a really mighty area to
struggle in, I think they're going to stick with them.
I don't have a problem with them sticking with him,
to your point, and seeing how much growth that we
get out of Dan going forward. I think I evaluated
him as a C minus this year, and I did

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evaluate him as the biggest concern that I had going
into the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
I remember that, and yet.

Speaker 7 (01:11:25):
I'm still willing to say, hey man, there's a lot
of great qualities here about this guy. The players love him,
they respect him, they trust him, and those go a
long way. Those things go a long way with a manager.
I don't think that's the way Scott ended things with
the clubhouse, and Dan already had it before he took
the job, and I think he still has it today,
at least. I haven't heard any murmurings that he's lost

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anybody in the clubhouse. So there's something here to work with,
there's something here to build off of. But I do
wonder if maybe he needs somebody in his ear that
has been there before and has done it before, and
is operating two or three moves ahead, like you need
to be as a manager, especially in the playoffs. I

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brought this example up earlier about Joe Torre was a
master at managing person else. Think about what he had
to wrestle with Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter. I mean, all
of these different stars, superstars that he had to get
on the same page. And he was a master. He
was one of the best of all time at it.
Don Zimmer was his ex AS and O's guy, Little

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Yoda sat right there by his side, whispered things in
his ear. Don Zimmer, who didn't want to deal with
the media, didn't want to deal with personalities, just wanted
to be everybody's buddy on the team. But when it
came to X's and O's, he was the guy that
was really whispered in Joe's ear.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Maybe he needs that type of person.

Speaker 6 (01:12:49):
I mean, I don't think it could hurt.

Speaker 7 (01:12:50):
Yeah, I don't think maniact is the guy. If that's
Maniactor's role, you need a better guy. Doesn't mean Maniact
asked to leave. Maniacta can serve.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
A lot of roles.

Speaker 7 (01:12:59):
I really like Manny, but you add too as an
organization make a really difficult admission.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
This offseason, Jerry particularly.

Speaker 7 (01:13:08):
Had to say, maybe I don't know what I'm talking
about about offense. Yeah, and maybe I do have to
turn it over to offensive experts. And Kevin Sitzer's got
a pretty awesome resume. And so if I just turned
this thing over to Edgar and to Kevin Seitzer, maybe
we'll get better results.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
We got better results, Yes we did. That was an admission.

Speaker 7 (01:13:28):
That was Jerry looking in the mirror and saying, am
I too fat for these pants? And saying, yeah, I
think I am. And he got better pants and he
looked better in them. That fits right, right, and so
Kevin sites are fit. Maybe we have to have that
same conversation about what Dan might need to push him
over the top. People are asking me all the time,

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all the time, does he make the decisions?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Or to Jerry and Justin? I don't know. They're not
letting me that far inside behind the curtain. I'll tell
you this.

Speaker 7 (01:14:00):
Every time I've asked on air or off air, either
one of them, they've always said Dan makes the decisions,
both of them, both Jerry and Justin. That's Dan, Dan's department.
Dan's department. So I think Dan Wilson, who wasn't a
thousand percent short, he wanted to take over last year.
I think that that was part of the negotiation. If

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I do this, I don't want to be micromanaged, and
I think they agreed to that, and so I think
they let Dan rip this year. So maybe not. Maybe
everybody's suspicions are that Jerry and Justin are in his
ear all day long, and I don't think that that
has happened. But if it didn't quite work in that area,

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and it worked, we wanted a vision, we're hanging a
banner we got to buy. We made it within nine
outs of the World Series. So those are usually really
nice accomplishments for a first year full time manager. But
if you do observe that we could have gone farther
had our man been better at game in game decisions,

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then get him some help. At least give him a
sounding board, somebody who's a little more proven. Yeah, that
can at least remind him, hey, hey, hey, hey hey,
Springer and Guerrero are going to be up in the
seventh potentially, do we really want to face them for
the last time in this playoff? As hot as they are,
as good as they are, would anyone less than Munnos

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And maybe there's somebody that can put that in his
ear that is operating as Dan tries to juggle a
thousand different things and keep all the plate spinning. So
maybe that's the solution. Dan does not deserve to be
fired after what the team accomplished this year, but Dan's
got to get better at certain in game decisions.

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
In my opinion, I think he would say the same thing.

Speaker 7 (01:15:51):
And I don't want this to be the reason again
next year, not like it is the reason. There are
a lot of reasons that went into us getting eliminated.
Our starting pitching been better, it wouldn't have come down
to that decision in game number seven. But I just
don't want it to be a reason, right that. You know,
we're we we don't make great in game decisions with

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pitching changes, and so I think it can be addressed
with a simple bench coach upgrade and nobody has to
lose their job and we get better in the process,
because it really is crucial. And I really do think
that there was a mistake made in game number seven
at a really.

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
Bad time well, and I would think, or I would
hope at least, that everybody in the Mariners organization, from
the top all the way down to the bullpen catcher,
that they're all looking at at every aspect in saying, Okay,
what is it that we could improve on for next year?
What did I do for sure that needs to be
you know that maybe contributed to us not making it

(01:16:52):
to the World Series, because every single person in that
organization can come up with something that they could improve
on in order to get us over that next or
past that hump, over to that next step. So I
would think I would hope that Dan is sitting down
and having that conversation with Jerry and Justin and I
and his staff and saying, Okay, where did we fall
short and what is it that we can do together

(01:17:15):
and who could we bring in to maybe make us
even stronger.

Speaker 7 (01:17:18):
Yeah, well, I think the conversation is going to be held.
I mean, you think about like Bob Melvin. I don't
think Bob Melvin is going to get another managerial opportunity.
That's been a guy that is not exactly full of personality.
I would imagine he and Dan get along. Maybe they're
are trivals. I have no idea, but maybe that's a
guy that sits by his side, that knows Seattle that yeah,

(01:17:40):
has been here before and after several managerial chances will
be like, you know, I'd like to just be a
bench coach. I don't want to talk to the media anymore.
Just let me do that role. Joe Madden still doesn't
have a job. What a clever guy to have. Yeah,
you want to talk about a guy that sees two
or three moves ahead. Maybe you wouldn't want to be
a bench coach again like he was for Mike Sosha

(01:18:01):
once upon a time. Or maybe he's been out of
the game long enough that he sees I'm not going
to get another managerial chance.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
I'm getting old.

Speaker 7 (01:18:08):
It would be nice to kind of just fill that
role and to be back into a clubhouse.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Maybe that's a guy.

Speaker 7 (01:18:13):
Yes, maybe Buck Showalter, who's the brightest guy out there
still to this day in terms of his baseball decisions.
I think there's some options out there, and maybe that's
the improvement to the staff that you need next year,
and Dan gets the another crack at it to not
just be the manager next year, but the crack to
be our manager for the next fifteen years throughout this

(01:18:35):
entire period. Because I think there are a lot of
great qualities about him that if we could just supplement
him in maybe some areas that right now he's deficient
at and probably will get better at them going forward,
then maybe that's the perfect solution. I don't want this
to stand in the way I don't want it to
be a reason a year from now why we feel
that we didn't advance to the World Series.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
So let's address it now.

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
I would agree, all right.

Speaker 7 (01:18:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
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Speaker 7 (01:19:07):
Oh yes, Mike Sander every week right here on Chucking
Buck in the morning. And no Bucky Jacobson today. But
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Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
I might pretty good, got all my sick days left
to you. Oh, I'll get here for you.

Speaker 11 (01:19:22):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:19:24):
Well, thanks, We really appreciate your dedication. All right, So
let's talk Seahawks going into the by five and two.
How are you feeling about our football team here locally?

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Pretty darn good? Yeah, really feel good about him. You know,
I think the defensive performance against Tampa Bay was concerning,
but I think it's a little bit more of a
one off. I think that it was a combination of
probably trying to do too much and then with guys
who are not playing, you know, guys out. So I'm
playing a good offense, so you know, there's there's more
for this team. Like the fundamentals seem pretty good to me,

(01:19:55):
but I feel like a couple of these games, like
they should have won like thirty five seven and they
still won, you know, twenty to twelve or whatever it was,
twenty seven to nineteen the Internight, don't you feel like
they could have won by way more? And I think
that's that's a good sign, like that they probably will
win some of these bile a lot more later.

Speaker 7 (01:20:12):
Js N has one hundred and ninety more yards receiving
than Jamar Chase, who's second in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Is he in this category?

Speaker 7 (01:20:21):
Is he as good as any receiver in the National
Football League?

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Or is he just having the best statistical season?

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
I think he's in that up Ruscheland category.

Speaker 12 (01:20:31):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
I think when we traditionally talk about the number one receivers,
we kind of have in our mind that they look
like Andre Johnson. Right, they're six to two, they're two
hundred and twenty five pounds, and they run a two
point four forty.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
You know, that's what we kind of think, that's what
you look for, that's what gets picked in the top five, Right,
So we know, you know, JSN is not quite that,
but look around the league, justin Jefferson's not that either.
You know, the top guys in yardage now are not
necessarily the Andre Jones or looked like Larry Fitzgerald. You know,
they're not overwhelmingly big physically. So some of that is

(01:21:05):
the prolification I think of the three receivers and just
the way the game's played now, and it's it's so
much more scheme oriented than it is just beating your
guy because you're the bigger, better athlete, right And I
think I was thinking this the other night. He can
be the best receiver this franchise has had since Steve Largent.

(01:21:26):
That's saying a lot, you know, you know that there's
been some good ones so.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Well, now that you say it out loud, isn't he?
But I think he is.

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
I mean you would be talking about Doug Baldwin and
you'd be talking about Brian Blades, you know, DK for
a run. But I think we're seeing that the consistency
that JSN plays with is on another level from d K. Now,
Doug Baldwin was super you know, super consistent and tough,
and let's not just diminish what he brought to the team.

(01:21:57):
I mean, I think he was. You know, we're not
crowning after a couple of years here. But I think
what we're looking at is, hey, this trajectory's going to
continue for this player, right and he's just starting. He's
like twenty three years old. Yeah, yeah, you know, so
it doesn't mean he's passed what those guys, some of

(01:22:17):
those guys have done. But I think you'd bet on well,
we shouldn't bet on anything, I guess now with everything
that's coming out of the news, but you would you
would bet on this if this were a stock, you know,
you'd feel really good about that it's going to be
one of the best in the history of the franchise.

Speaker 7 (01:22:35):
Mike Sando is with us Our NFL Insider can follow
him at Sando NFL on Twitter. Since you brought it up,
what kind of day do you think Roger Goodell is
having considering how big a part gambling is in his sport.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Yeah, I'm sure they're at tuned to this, and this,
you know, puts it in their face even more. I
think the NBA one is I look at it, you know,
there's two different ones. There's the card room thing and
then there's these over under these in game props, you know,
And to me, the head coach of a team playing
in a car illegal card game is probably not something

(01:23:15):
that they're worried about. Mike Tomlin showing up at a
card game, I wouldn't think. But the prop bet ones
are to me, those are ripe. And I do think
the NFL's a little bit has advantages and disadvantage. One
disadvantage is there's so many more players.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
He would be easy to reach somebody.

Speaker 7 (01:23:34):
But I think there's so many more props. I mean,
let's face it, we should not be able to win
money betting on how many assists Terry Rogier gets in
a basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Game, absolutely, because Terry can control that even without throwing
the game. He can, right, he can decide to to
you know, just move the ball a different direction and
he wouldn't even notice, right, And then you still get
a bucket on that possession anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:23:59):
Not like hockey where everybody getting a set and assists before.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
I do think though, that it is I say this
even for the NBA stuff that's embarrassing and bad. I
do think that I would rather have this stuff coming
out on these silly props than on the outcome of
a game. A guy just ricking two free throws or
something like that that actually swings the outcome of the
game in a more direct way, which, by the way,
is harder to do in the NFL unless you had

(01:24:24):
a quarterback or a running back or you know, somebody
who is gonna fumble on purpose in a key moment.
I just I think that would be kind of hard
to do.

Speaker 7 (01:24:35):
Je Lamar Jackson practice yesterday, I guess that's an indication
that there's a chance he'll play against the Bears on Sunday.
They are one in five, and I think that's the
most shocking thing of this entire football season. Can they
save it still?

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
I mean, I think that with if Lamar Jackson plays,
they've got a couple of guys back on defense. I
think they can if you look at their schedule, I do.
I think they can back into the realm of playing
for something late in the year. But what's the odds
that they're not going to have more injuries or other
things that derailed them. I think their defense is a
big issue too, and you know they've done a good

(01:25:15):
job over the years of like finding the next coordinator.
I'm just not sure they have the one next one
right now, and so that's my concern for them, and
I think they're going to have a hard time even
if they do rally and get back in of making
a big dent.

Speaker 7 (01:25:29):
Colts, on the flip side, are six and one. That's
the best record in the National Football League. Any chance
that they're the best team in the National.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
Football League, I don't think so, because I think the
quarterback well efficient, you know, I think the I mean,
the Chiefs are playing pretty good ball right now. I
don't think we would go against them, you know, with
Mahomes in a big game type of a situation. But
I do think that the Colts are you know, they
were eight to nine last year with a forty seven

(01:25:57):
percent passer, So, you know, I think we've probably just
taken for granted that they're going to fall short every year,
and now we're actually seeing, you know, a competent quarterback
who's playing really well with I think a good play caller.
I think psyching is and they also change their defensive
play color. I think they got better for in you know,
single game matchups with lou An Arumo, which could help

(01:26:19):
them in the playoffs. So I think they're in the
top echelon of the AFC right now given the state
of the AFC, but I still wouldn't take them over.

Speaker 7 (01:26:28):
Kansas City Chargers started three and oh people were saying
this might be the best team in the NFL, and
they've since lost three out of four. So what are
the Chargers as they get ready for Thursday night football
against the Vikings tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Yeah, they're a little flawed now, certainly the offensive line issues.
They've been without both starting tackles, which is really the
strength of their team. So you take the strength of
of your team and make it a weakness of your team.
I think that has really really hurt their consistency. But
the concern I have is they're giving up a ton
of explosive plays on defense Khalil Maxman out. Maybe they
get that back tonight. They're actually favored against Minnesota, which

(01:27:03):
has quarterback issues, so I think there's a good chance
they sort of get it back tonight and have a
better game. But that's anytime you're out without your shortain tackles,
and we've seen that when it happened to Seattle, it's
gonna be really, really tough, And I think that's that's
their identity. Jim Harbaugh came in there and said, we're
drafting an offensive tackle and we think that's a weapon.
That's their identity. So they've really lost that, and I

(01:27:25):
think it's been hard for them to recover.

Speaker 7 (01:27:27):
I beg them today, laid the points three and a
half our factor fiction contest. Am I going to be right?

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Probably? That's not very convincing, Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
This stuff was convincing. We would all be living in mansions, okay,
we'd all be having our own I'd be having the
east wing of my house, going to do a three
hundred million dollar ballroom right now if we knew how
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Wait a minute, are you telling me gambling is risky?

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Oh my gosh. I feel bad even joking about it
because people get hooked into it. It's just a deal,
you know. Rough, Yeah, really rough.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
All right, Mike, thank you, enjoying the football tonight. We'll
talk to you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Thank you, all right.

Speaker 7 (01:28:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Oh so freeing to do without Bucky.

Speaker 6 (01:28:31):
Judging us, Yeah, just looking at us.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Nuts, Keep your beady eyes to yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:28:35):
Are you Canadian?

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
One last thing next on KJR.

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