Best of Chuck and Buck 10-6

We've grabbed some of the best moments from Monday's show! - Mariners get the Game 2 win! - 12th Man News with Gregg Bell - ABCs of the Mariners - MMQB with Hugh Millen and his thoughts on how Sam Darnold performed yesterday. - Our Mariners postseason contributor, Ryon Healy gives us his thoughts on the M's game 2 W.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Good morning folks, Good.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Morning everyone, Good morning, it's some time. Good morning class
ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, behold.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
A producing six one guard from Brighton, Illinois and former
high school basketball stand What in the hell does that mean?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Don't jumped any conclusions?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, not a god.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
You've got to lower you lower your expectations.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
To Pluto, getting some Bucky Jacobson vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped tex athlete.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Five seven guard and a former college water polo national champion.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
There's a lot of useless crap up here.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, good Monday morning, and welcome into the radio show
that the people call Chuck and Buck in the Morning,
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ A RFM. Ashley
Ryan is here, Bucky Jacobson us here. My name is
Chuck Pollin. We got you. Oh, we got you in
a compromising position over the course of the next four
hours right here on the radio program at the radio station,

(01:35):
as we're gonna take it till ten o'clock talking about
all sorts of good stuff here on the show today.
And what a weekend. My goodness, Bucky and I were
just on the air fifteen minutes ago, got a seven
minute nap, two minute breakfast, and here we are back
on the air with you here this morning and ready
to gab about sports.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yep, yep, it's playoff time. No, we'll sleep next month, right.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
You're right, that's what everyone says. November is for sleeping.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Oh yes, I'm looking forward to well.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, well because you sleep a lot so you
don't have time to shave.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
That makes sense, It makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
I'm all about it though. That's fine. Just I just
keep the playoff games coming because there that's a different feel.
M hm boy, oh boy, that's a different feel. And
thank you Cal and Jorge and Julio obviously for kind
of making the weekend not end on a suck note.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. I mean it could have
been better. It could have been better that we're showing
up here this morning talking about a two oh start,
and you just got to take care of business at
some point over the next four days. Just got to
win one game out of that. But I will say this,
the way that people felt leaving the ballpark and you
could feel it everywhere on Saturday night, I mean, I

(02:51):
think people were sort of assuming the worst and then
to go out last night, get the win against maybe
the best left handed pitcher on the planet and pull
it out in similar fashion to the way you lost
at the night before, three to two final score in
both of the games. Yeah, it just sort of renewed
the spirit last night, and you could feel it in

(03:12):
downtown Seattle, There's no doubt about it. Yeah it was.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
I mean, just watching it on TV, obviously you could
tell the energy, and then I was following along on
social media things after and seeing the people in the
streets just cheering and loving it, and yeah, that was.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
I mean, I We're gonna probably get made fun of
that a little bit, that's fine, but you're right, that's.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Fun playoff win in twenty four damn years.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Celebrate it, and it feels like we're going to celebrate
every single home play win that we get again. We're
starved for it. Yeah, and it's probably gonna grow. I
think some other you know, some other city just for
me prepared for it. Some other cities probably gonna take shots.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh gosh, I don't know how to.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
You've never been there before. Oh yeah, you've never been there.
I was gonna say, all those people have never been
there before. So we're gonna get a little a little
bit of that. But I say just block it out,
because I mean, as long as it doesn't get crazy
and dangerous and everything else. But everybody across the street
from Jimmy's last night having a good time out there.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, there might have been a sprained ankle because they
were hipping and hopping and jumping and hooting and hollering.
I mean, some guy was out there with a drum
set and I saw it on when I was walking
up when I was going to the game. He just
out there playing some music cover song of something, and
he's just playing drums to it. And then random folks
were walking up grabbing the microphone singing songs. Oh and

(04:33):
they were yeah, while we were doing the post game
show last night, I mean, they were getting after it.
So you know, I think it's just probably a little
bit more headaches.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Maybe going on today. But that's fine.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Cleting right, no, no from libations over celebrating.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
But I don't think that.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I mean, like you said, is that the first home
win since two thousand and one playoffory? Yeah? Yeah, I
mean so locking. I mean, enjoy the hell out of it.
I don't care if if anybody says you act like
you've done it before. It's been a long time. Matter
of fact, a lot of people in the stadium probably
didn't have never witnessed one.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
A lot of people that there's now like a famous shot.
It's gonna be famous, its gonna be played. A lot
of just some guy with his girlfriend and he's just
like crying, crying. It was so adorable as they're getting
ready to close it out and then the girlfriend, her
wife sees him and then she just hugs him. She
didn't go like you lose her Nope, you know, grab
a tissue.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
It was like, oh, baby was sobbing, but it was like, yeah,
it had just it had overcome him a little bit.
And I think in that it was just I thought
it was cute, and I it would have been different
obviously if he was a fan of an of the Astros,
I would have mocked him for sure, But he's not.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
And I thought it was great. Yeah, it was great.
I mean softy last night. He was beside himself the
night before and both knights, both nights we did the
post game from Jimmy's We're gonna keep doing that, and
he boast he just came by and let us look
at his face. I guess because he didn't hang out.
He didn't like, you know, grab a cocktail and hang
out with us or pop on the air with us.

(06:06):
He just like came by both nights and just showed
us his face and it said everything. Like the first night,
I mean, he was just like like he'd you know,
uh lost his puppy, Yeah, and he couldn't find it
out on the streets of Seattle. And then last night
I was almost like worried for his health because he
looked like he'd seen a ghost. And he wouldn't celebrating.

(06:27):
He wasn't bouncing off the walls like you kind of
expect him to. It was a long weekend for us,
a lot of hours for all of us at at KJR,
and and so he'd put in a lot of work.
But you could tell he put on a lot more
work during those nine innings last night with his buddies,
because it was he looked pale. It looked like he'd

(06:47):
seen a ghost and survived it. That's what it looked
like last night.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, I mean, I don't know if there's anybody that
besides maybe the guy that was crying that that has
more emotions.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Attached to the LANs and nothing on David.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
So I mean, yeah, he was just like one of
those maybe he had just found his puppy after he
thought he had lost it two days in a row again,
you know, like, no, not this, And yet I mean
he's he's kind of the heart heartbeat of Seattle fans.
I mean, there's if there's anything this fan base has
been starved for, it's this. It's postseasons, yeah, and then

(07:22):
success in the postseason and then getting to watch it
at your own home ballpark so you get to be
a part of it.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
And I mean the electricity was obviously in the air
both nights. I mean, the fans brought it. Last night
was one where you know, it kind of felt like
it was gonna be an uphill battle. Based on who
you were going up against, and Trek Scuoble he pitched
well other than a couple pitches that Horrory Polonko made
him pay for. And then you felt good. I mean,
two runs and you basically kind of get what you

(07:50):
need out of the bullpen and you're like, okay, this
is good. And then the walk and an air and
the double. Now you're tied. It's immediately like you turned
around and your dog has gone again. What and yet
callin Julio'll come up and with a couple of big
doubles there that ended up pulling that thing out for you.
So it's just that sorry of relief. And yet I
don't know. I think he's sitting there just thinking, I

(08:11):
don't know if I can handle this. This is what
I want. This is what I wished for.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
A Seahawks game that day too, though, So to do
the Mariner's game the night before with the loss, in
all of those emotions, then the Seahawks game where you think,
oh my gosh, we might win never mind, and then
you go into that game.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
He probably was like, I'll give you insight. He left
the Seahawks game. Oh, he was so pumped about Mariners baseball.
He couldn't watch football, and that was maybe. I know
we didn't come out on top, but that was as
entertaining a football game I've seen the Seahawks play in
my ten years here. Yeah, I mean that was some

(08:51):
great That was some great quarterback play, not great defense.
And yet and yet I look up and like him
and his buddies are come walking through the door, I'm oh,
you left that game.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Oh I care about what happens across that straight And again,
thank you Seahawks for your sacrifice for the Mariners yesterday,
because that was the one we needed.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
You know, there was a lot of that that was
going around, like, you know, let's kick this and then
we'll get the juju for the baseball game tonight. You know,
the sports gods will take the they're not gonna give
us both, so let them will sacrifice this and then
we'll win at the baseball yard here tonight, which is
exactly what they got done. Three to two is a

(09:32):
final score. And believe me, there is this element for
a fan base that has not had a lot of success,
where you know, being the favorite in this series does
weigh on you. Because we had Friday night, we did
a round table show, and Dick Fane brought up a
point about how he's separating the two, like the season

(09:56):
has already been a success, you know, winning the division,
winning ninety games, getting a bye year of cal you know,
the ownership, front office, stepping up at the trading deadline.
And I agree with him that the season is already
a success. But the postseason is a completely different animal,

(10:17):
and it can still feel like a failure even though
the regular season was successful. And I get that, and
I understand that, and I think it all changes. I mean,
if you thought the atmosphere was great Bucky Saturday and Sunday,
once you get over, if you get over this hurdle

(10:38):
of what is expected of you, and then all of
a sudden, you've just got American League Championship Series and
World Series remaining. Now, all of a sudden, you're just
free of all the burden of expectations. Now it's just
now you can really cut loose and you can feel
like both were successes, the regular season and the postseason.

(11:00):
But you got to get through this, and that's why
there was so much ankst. That's why there was so
much you know, frustration on Saturday night, because that was
a game on paper that we were supposed to win,
and now all of a sudden started creeping into the
minds of Mariner fans everywhere. Oh man, this season cannot
end without a series victory. And I think a lot

(11:21):
of people went home Saturday night feeling like it was done.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean I was hanging out with Fowler
and you and his son. He was like, we're done.
We're cooked after losing the first one, because you knew
who you were going to be going up against, one
of the toughest pitchers in the world right now. And
yet if it isn't exact Mariner baseball, yeah, I mean, yeah,
the bullpen game. You're going against a team that you
know has rebounded with a series win over the the

(11:48):
Boogeyman that was the Cleveland Guardians and that sniper the division.
But they end up winning that wild card series, so
they're they're fixed to some degree. I would say, they're
definitely on that path, and yet they come in and
you're not gonna have to face their ace. We get
to line up whoever we want for the entire series,
and you end up kind of I don't want to say,
given that one away but you didn't take it. You

(12:08):
didn't go out and just win it, and so yeah,
you felt I mean, I was driving to the yard thinking, man,
this is I don't feel good about where we're at.
And yet I know that just if there is anything
that this team will do, it's they'll just kind of
keep you on the edge of your seat. They're like, yeah,
we're not we're up two zip. Let's let's go ahead
and boot a ball real quick and make this interesting. Whatever.

(12:29):
You don't have to do that if you don't want.
I mean, I'll be okay with a couple of w's
like what we're watching Toronto do to the Yankees.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, wouldn't that be nice.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I'm okay with that score ten to fifteen runs. But
on this, on the flip side of it, it's kind
of makes it. I mean, it's an enjoyable product that
we get to watch. I think that the players have
nothing short of grand expectations. I think fans, you can
have whatever yours are if you feel like a postseason
win and get to the American League Championship Series, and

(12:58):
you won't then be disappointed and way shape for him.
There's others that will be disappointed if they don't make
it to the World Series. There's some I'm sure that
probably thinks if you don't win the World Series, where
you just were cursed Jerry. Yeah, and yet I'm just
kind of every game go out there and I want
you to. I want to feel like you're the better team,
because I think over the course of a series, usually

(13:18):
the better team comes out on top. And I think,
even you're tied one one, so it's about as even
as possible. You've scored the same amount of runs one, one, three,
two and lost one three to two. But I still
feel like we got a better team, and I feel
like we just dodged a bullet and getting past Trek Scouble.
Let's go ahead and just win a couple more in
Detroit and not even have to get to that Game five.
But we shall see how it plans out. Mariners Baseball

(13:39):
probably gonna be a Game five.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I just yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
I definitely understood the frustration and worry on Saturday after
that lost like the feeling of forty years of oh,
this is what we're destined for or you know, and
especially the last twenty years, But I didn't understand the well,
that's it. Series is over, which so many people were
out there talking about. I'm like, series is over. It's

(14:06):
a five game series. There's a reason they play five
games because the first game doesn't decide.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
The winner of the whole series. That's just not the
way it works.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
So you can be disappointed and be frustrated, but you
gotta have a little bit of faith in your team,
don't you.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Well, I think the Scooball factor was already weighing definitely
on people's minds. You're gonna have to face them twice
in the series, and the first game felt like that's
the most winnable game. We gotta get that one. I
think people went into that night feeling that way, and
I understand I understand why. But you know, it's baseball,
and particularly as Bucky's pointed out a couple times already

(14:42):
this morning, it's Mariners baseball. And so when the series started,
you thought, hey, it was a pretty decent chance we're
gonna go one and one in these first two games,
but you sort of expected it to happen the other
way around. I get that, and so for for us
to come away from that, I think everybody needs to

(15:02):
feel okay with what happened this past weekend, and I
really feel good about the next two days. I don't
feel good if we're coming back and having to face
that dude again and have to beat him for a
fourth time this year with everything on the line, and
now you are puckered up a little bit because it's
winner takes all against that monster, you know, in a

(15:24):
game five. And I do wonder if aj Hinch, if
he thought that we were gonna come back with two
runs against Matt Brash in the eighth, if he would
have ever told him go hit the showers, kid, way
to go, you know, we might have had to face
him in the eighth inning if he thought we were
gonna end up tied going into the bottom of the
eighth and you end up winning against Finnigan coming out
of the bullpen. But yeah, it didn't go exactly the

(15:47):
way that it was scripted to go. But I think
everybody should feel pretty good about one and one, and
I feel pretty good about what's gonna happen in.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Games three and four. M Yeah, I mean, I just
we haven't even started really clicking offensively. Cal and Julio
have been good both games. Jor Hate chipped in yesterday
there was a couple other guys that got you know,
a check in this on the stat sheet. But I mean,
I just feel like our pitching staff so far, your
two games, they've done what you're hoping they would do. Right.

(16:15):
You go out there, keep you in the ball game,
put up a bunch of zeros, limit the damage, and
when you do get in hairy situations, pitch around it,
pitch out of it. And so I think the pitching
staff continues to look the way they've looked, and we
just start getting a couple more guys clicking a little
bit here and there. The nice thing about the guys
you're gonna face was flattery, flirty today and then probably

(16:36):
miz the next day. They're good. They can go out there.
We've seen this team get get shoved on by no
name guys and rookies and whatnot, but essentially they struggle
more with Yeah, but I just feel good about the
fact I think this offense is gonna kick it into
gear a little bit, and then that's what they're They're
gonna have to ride the whole package. You're not gonna
just win games, you know, three to two every time

(16:58):
and hoping for a couple of long balls from the
same guy. You're gonna have to put together some good
abs and scratch some stuff together. Just yesterday was a
guy you're not gonna do that against. He just doesn't.
He doesn't give that up. You don't string together three,
four or five hits against Errek Scubo in an inning
and put up a crooked number. You need to capitalize
when he makes a mistake and hit the ball out
of the yard. And we did that a couple of times,

(17:19):
and then when he came out of the game, then
we took advantage of that guy hanging a couple of splitties.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Thank you, hoorge Polonco. We'll talk more about that coming
up in Mariners Morning After at six thirty today. Of course,
we're doing Mariners Morning After at six thirty today. But
let's find out what else was on tap for this
Monday show, Chucking, What what's on tep?

Speaker 6 (17:40):
What's on to?

Speaker 5 (17:41):
All?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Right?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Mariner's three Tigers two yesterday, and so the series is
even at game one game apiece. It is a five
game series. Games three and four will be played in
Detroit on Tuesday and Wednesday. Tuesday's game will start at
one o'clock our time. It will be Logan Gilbert going
again against Jack Flaherty. That is your pitching matchup for

(18:03):
game number three. Ryan Healy, who we've added to our
staff here for the postseason, is going to join us today.
We'll get his reaction to the weekend. He'll be joining
as former Mariner at nine thirty here this morning. Meanwhile,
Yankees are down two in their series. They were just
thumped by the Toronto Blue Jay. So much for them

(18:23):
experiencing any rust with the time off. They scored twenty
three runs in two days.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, they don't look rusty. They're out there getting it.
I mean, I think there's some folks that were Look
how unfortunate it is for Toronto, right, they end up
having the best league and win their division, have best
record in the American League, and you've got to go
against the Yankees. The players didn't think that. I mean,
the players took that crown, took that title this season,
and then yeah, Yankees, good job, you got past a

(18:51):
wild card round. It's time for us to kind of
put you where you belong. And they've done that in
the first couple of games. Still ain't over, but they're
they're definitely putting a hurt on that pitching staff. It's
really fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Tuesday, five o'clock is Game three of that series, and
it will be at Yankee Stadium. The NL will take
the center stage here tonight starting at three o'clock. You're
gonna have Dodgers at Phillies and you will have Cubs
at Milwaukee's the later game. So that's going to be
an eight o'clock start Central time for them. As the
Brewers and the Cubs do battle. We'll talk some football today,

(19:24):
plenty of football as a matter of fact. I mean,
we'll focus as much as we can on Mariner playoff baseball.
But it is a Monday, and it was a pretty
good game on Sunday, even though we came up on
the short end of the stick. Thirty eight to thirty
five was a final score at Looming yesterday against the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Costly interception by Sam Darnold late in
the contest when he had a chance to win it

(19:45):
gave them the necessary field position to get kick the
game winning field goal. Greg Bell will join us at
seven oh five, so we'll get some information from Gregy
also covered the Mariners this weekend as well, so we
can talk a little ms with him on the program
today and then Hugh Mellen will be with us, not
from eight to ten. We're only going to go eight
to nine today with Hugh with Monday Morning Quarterback, but

(20:08):
we'll get a full hour of our qb ones analysis
of the loss to the Buccaneers. No coach Holmgron today,
So that's our kind of dividing up our time as
there's just too much going on here in Seattle, just
way too much. No undefeated teams remain in the National
Football League. The Denver Broncos defeated the Philadelphia Eagles yesterday

(20:29):
and then last night the Patriots took out the Buffalo Bills.
So nineteen seventy two Miami Dolphins, they are drinking their
champagne rather early. Just five weeks into the NFL season
and we don't have an undefeated team left.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, a lot of parody obviously. I
mean it's odd, there's some there's some teams that lost.
I mean that one last night would be one. I
think the Patriots are a whole heck of a lot
better than I was giving them credit for, even though
I thought they were going to take a step forward.
I still feel like they weren't going to beat Buffalo
at Buffalo, and but and so, yeah, you just kind
of have a couple teams. It's an odd one, right,

(21:01):
What is Baltimore doing? Who the heck? How is that looking?
As bad as that's looking? And then like the Colts,
I mean the Colts, if they didn't have a bonehead
play last week, could be five and zero. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
One winless team remains the New York Jets. They are
zero and five because the Saints and the Titans both
won yesterday. We will catch you up to date on
the scoreboard. Cold Turkey Sandwich comes your way at six
forty five this morning. You dub somehow came back and
won that game Saturday against Maryland. They outscored the Terrapins
twenty one to nothing in the fourth quarter to win
at twenty four to twenty, their first Big ten road

(21:33):
victory in the Jedfish era. Meanwhile, there was bigger news
nationally as Penn State and Texas both lost over the weekend.
So the number one and number two team preseason ranked
are already out of the top twenty five this year.
Can't wait to talk to coach new Isile tomorrow about
his son Jerry, who was the bell of the ball
this weekend. In college football, Sounders won Saturday night over

(21:55):
the Timbers one to nothing. The WNBA Finals have the
ace is up to Oh, they won't play game three
until Wednesday. It is a best of seven, so the
Mercury have a chance to get back into this thing.
And they are going home for game number three. And
we are on the eve of the National Hockey League season.
It starts tomorrow, even though the Kraken will not open

(22:17):
until Thursday at home against the Ducks. So obviously there
is a lot going on. We'll do our best to
cover it all. Mariners, Morning After comes your way. Next
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Speaker 3 (22:37):
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Speaker 2 (22:50):
Sends this time time. They all pitched to Polunkoh fastball.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Drive deep right field. Oh hey, hollock, he's done again.
To two pitch the other way. It's a fair ball
down the right field line. Torres will score. Here comes
Green and the third Joey Korra giving him the way.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Here's the throw hits cut off, and this game is tied.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Hard hit ball my rolley down the right field towards
the corner, and the big dumper is looking for extra
basics and he's got another.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Hell drive it in the rounders take the three pree guys.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
He's come up, clutch him again, bouncing ball to Naylor, clips.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
And finishes in their first point.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
When in twenty four years the Mariners have time the
series at.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
One first at home in twenty four years. Adam Amin
fs one on the calls there last night of the
Mariners three to two win over the Detroit Tigers to
even the series at one game apiece. Yeah, I wasn't
expecting to lose game one and win game number two,
but nonetheless we've arrived at a one to one draw

(24:25):
through two games of this five game series, and the
Mariners now head to Detroit to take on the Tigers.
Game three will be tomorrow at one o'clock, and then
Game four on Wednesday. It's Chuckobuck in the Morning's here
on a Monday. What a crazy weekend for all of
us that love Seattle Sports. Ashley Ryan is here, Bucky Jacobson,

(24:46):
former Mariners here. My name is Chuck Powell. Greg Bell's
going to join us in a moment. We haven't really
broken down the Buccaneer Seahawks game at all so far
this morning, so we'll get that started with Greg and
hughes on his way at eight o'clock. He'll be with
us for just an hour today, but we'll get full
hour from Hugh RQB one to break down the Buccaneers
Seahawks game as well. Let's start, though, with our frost

(25:08):
brewed Corps light headlines here on a choose chill Monday,
and it does begin with the Mariners three to two
victory over the Detroit Tigers last night. After blowing a
two to nothing lead in the top of the eighth,
Julio Rodriguez and Cal Rawley teamed up in the bottom
of the eighth back to back doubles, Rodriguez producing the
game winning RBI Andres Munoz closes it out in the

(25:31):
ninth in the MS even the series at a game apiece,
the Yankees are down two games to none. Toronto has
absolutely whipped them in the first two games of this series.
And that series shifts to New York on Tuesday as
well at five o'clock. As the Yankees are officially operating
with their backs against the wall. The National League Division

(25:52):
series will continue tonight. They took Sunday off, but they'll
have center stage tonight. Dodgers at Phillies at three o'clock
Hubs and Brewers six o'clock start our time. That's an
eight o'clock start in the Midwest for those two teams.
College football, somehow, some way, you dub rallied to defeat
Maryland on Saturday, twenty four to twenty. They outscored the

(26:13):
Turtles twenty one to nothing in the fourth quarter. Jeed
Fish gets his first big ten road victory of his
tenure with the Huskies, and so U dub pulls out
the win twenty four to twenty. Penn State did not.
They lost to UCLA for goodness sake over the weekend,
a winless Bruins team that looked like they hadn't a
clue on how to play football this year. But hand

(26:35):
it over to a new Heizel and see what happens.
Jerry Neweisl is suddenly the Cinderella at the ball they're
in Ucla Sounders won nothing winners over the Timbers on
Saturday night. The WNBA Finals continue Wednesday with the Aces
up on the Mercury two to nothing. Series shifts to Phoenix.
We are on the eve of the National Hockey League

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season getting underway, and then the Kraken won't open until
Thursday at home against the Anaheim Ducks. And finally, Buccaneers
defeat the Seahawks in a crazy game yesterday at Luminfield
High scoring affair thirty eight to thirty five the final score.
Joining us now to discuss it is our Seahawks insider
Greg Valley two different major sports last night or over

(27:17):
the weekend, Mister.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
Bell, Well, I think it was. I enjoyed the out
of it. Actually it was great. It's a really unique weekend.
And yes, it was really unique. And walking over I
have I don't ever cover a game that's already started,
and I got in the second ding of the Mariners
game and it was really unique. The view. I was

(27:40):
walking across the top of the sixth floor of the
parking deck next to Lumenfield, which looks into through left
field of T Mobile Park, and you the noise and
the echoes and hear the roars of the fans as
I walked across and then down First Avenue into the game,
and it was it was cool. It was a really

(28:01):
cool and I know SEK fans aren't very happy this morning,
but that was the huddle of the game. It was
an old fashioned kingdom shootout. I thought it was like
Dan Fouts and Jim Zorn going out in the Kingdom
in the AFC West or something. It was an entertaining game,
very alarming. Yeah, we'll say that.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
How personal does Mike McDonald take a game like that?
Not only did he lose, but I mean Baker Mayfield
kind of had his way. I mean there were a
couple of drives that were just way too easy for
the Buccaneers on Sunday.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
Yeah, very personal. Check he said, this is my fault.
I got to prepare them better. I have to call better.
I have to have better schemes that have answers, and
I have to pressure quarterbacks better. The most damning thing
right now, the one thing they could hang a hat
on right was their defense. The defense will keep them
in games, and the offense will scratch out just enough,

(28:53):
but the defense would keep him in games. Well, you
remember until the last five and six minutes. He said, Arizona,
this is the number two defense in the league, allowing
fifteen points a game. They hadn't allowed seventeen points in
any game in the first three and then Arizona scores
two touchdowns late. And then what happened yesterday. That's in

(29:14):
the last sixty six minutes of game time, the last
six minutes in Arizona, and all day yesterday, last sixty
six minutes, fifty two points teams have put up on
the Mike McDonald's defense. We saw what happens when you
give quarterbacks time to throw, or sometimes the point the
quarterback gives himself time makes himself time to throw. Baker

(29:35):
Mayfield's tying touchdown was supposed to be inside the pocket,
and he spun around boy Mafe and extended the play
to his left, throws back across his body. My approach,
it wasn't even supposed to be in the game. Third
string cornerback tries to grab the receiver and spin him around.
He misses and throws himself out of the play. Receiver

(29:57):
wide open back of the end zone. Touchdown, and the
game was tied. And then Donald's interception became because of
a safety blitz. Antoine Winfield was unblocked up the middle.
We talk all the time about pressure up the middle
just kills plays, and Donald was trying to throw to
Cooper Cup over the middle. He didn't see Levante David
go from the right side of the defensive set to

(30:18):
the left side. Missed that coverage change and the pressure men.
He couldn't see David switch anyway, Paul goes off ahead
of a defensive lineman for an interception. He blamed himself,
Donald for not changing the protection call at the line
to pick up that blitz. He said they had practiced
against that safety blitz, had a couple of protection calls

(30:41):
against it. He went with one they had practice as well,
but should have changed to another and should have thrown
it to Horton on the right side. So they had
two l's yesterday, the loss, and then some good leadership
that might last them a long time down the road
of their quarterback and their head coach taking the blame.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, I mean, obviously there's a lot of offense. Well,
I mean, you know, Sam Darnold would the exception of
that interception looked good and yet to kind of continue
on the idea of the Seahawks defense, it didn't. It's
not just that you give up thirty eight points. I mean,
it's just the effectiveness. I think to some degree you
got to kind of give credit where credit is due.
I think the Buccaneers are pretty good, but they didn't.

(31:17):
They were missing some of their weapons, I mean, missing
probably one of their best wide receivers and they're starting
running back. And yet Baker Mayfield it looked really easy.
The way in which he did it, Like you said,
I mean, I mean seven for seven to Abuca was
he basically had four incomplete passes the entire game, and
most of them looked like there was nobody even around.
Some of them fit into some decent windows. But is

(31:39):
there something where they're running more zone because it just
felt like they were dicing them up, like they knew
what they were going to be trying to defend them with.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Well, yeah, Bucky, they did is more zone because they
didn't trust their man coverage with all. With Witherspoon and
Chilian Love out of the game, two of the best
Pro Bowl defensive backs didn't play yesterday, and then Rieke
Willen gets hurt and all this sudden people seeing what
you don't have When Reek Wallen's not back there, you
have Poe Peirie behind him. Of backups. Look, it doesn't

(32:10):
matter who you have in the secondary. You could have
Deon Sanders and Ronnie Lott everybody else in their prime
her batterly. And if you don't pressure quarterbacks in this league,
you're done. The league rules are against defensive backs even
touching receivers down the field, and they can't cover them
for five seconds. And a lot of Buccaneers plays lasted

(32:30):
five or more seconds, and anybody is going to give
up catches and touchdowns in that And that was the
biggest fault, and I could see it. You could almost
see Mike McDonald's gears grinding in his head during the
game of whether the blitz more or less he was afraid.
We kept talking all season about how when they were
pressuring with four, the numbers were in the seahawks favor

(32:53):
of seven and coverage. Well, yesterday the four couldn't get
even close to Mayfield. Mayfield ran away from him anyway,
started bringing faster defenders on blitzes, but he was really
reluctant to bring his corners. I noticed that he was
blitzing Tylecotta most of all, and Tylecotta would just run
in and get swallowed up by the offensive lineman. He

(33:15):
wasn't fast enough nor big enough. Tyo Kotta's not supposed
to play one hundred percent of the snaps in this defense,
and that's what he played yesterday because Julian Love was out.
They he was so reluctant to give up his corners
and coverage that in the one snap that the Anthony
Bell had on defense after Emon Worri came out briefly
injured in the fourth quarter was late third The one

(33:37):
snap was a blitz by the Anthony Bell. It wasn't
the fourth quarter, early in the fourth and he got
a sack and that was the only sack quarterback hit.
They had two hits one lighter in the game. But
that fourth quarter sack was the first time they even
touched Mayfield and it was another safety blitz. Time and
again when Okada blitzed Mayfield would throw to where Ocado

(33:58):
came from. It was basically off one oh one offense
throw to where the blitzer comes from over the middle,
seventeen yard cats, twelve yard cats. I kept watching through
binoculars thirty nine going into the line of scrimmage and
just getting swallowed by white creamsickle jerseys every time. And
McDonald did not want to bring his corners because he
was already so limited in guys who could cover. So

(34:19):
he had slow, four downlinemen that couldn't get the mayfield
and he had a little undersized, understrength, slower safety who
could not get the mayfield. And that was it. Yeah,
I mean you had guys the Anthony Bell, Tayo Katta,
Neamiah Pritchard playing yesterday. It looked like a preseason game.
And what is one of the better quarterbacks in the

(34:41):
league right now, at two time Pro bowler coming off
a division title, absolutely shredded him.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Greg Bell is with us our Seahawks inside. Of course,
you could follow him at g bel Seattle on X
and of course Thenewstribune dot com complete round the clock
coverage of your Seattle Seahawks from Greg Bell, and he
joins us most every day at seven oh five right
here on Chuck and Buck in the morning as our
Seahawks insider. Yeah, Baker Mayfield seems to have elevated to
that level. I think Sam Donald's playing at that level

(35:08):
right now. You know what I kept thinking about, Yeah,
we lost this game. But the real loser in all
of this the Carolina Panthers. How did they have both
of those guys at one point and ended up trading
away one thousand first round picks in order to get
somebody worse.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
Chuck, you're the first person in Seattle to say the
real loser of the Seahawks even stay with the Carolina Panthers.
I don't think anybody that's a silver lining that nice
of you to bring up. Yes, Donald was brilliant and
he did it largely by himself. Look at the numbers
and he said, oh, well, Kenneth Walker ran for eighty

(35:50):
five yards and ten carries and they ended up with
one hundred and twenty two yards wes sing. Most of
the game they weren't running, and we saw again that
Klint Kubiak is going to stick with it, come Heller
high water, and it worked. He just kept plugging and
plugging and plugging, and finally in the second half, Walker
started breaking some ten and twelve yard runs and even
a twenty two yard run in the third quarter. And

(36:12):
despite my point is that Donald did it in the
first two and a half quarters without a run game,
and that is not how this offense is supposed to work.
Yet it worked to a tune of four hundred and
seventy six yards passing. It's not hard to imagine that
if Donald doesn't throw the interception, it doesn't get blitz uncovered,
blitz up the middle, they go down and score the

(36:34):
winning field goal there, right, Yeah, because they had four
hundred and seventy six yards. So yeah, if you have
a Sam Donald offense, sam Donald completes eighty percent of
his throws for three hundred and forty six yards and
four touchdowns, you damn well have to win the game.
And that's the problem. The defense absolutely giving it all up. Again,

(36:58):
they're completely decimated byes in the secondary. But every team
has injuries. The Buccaneers came with a larger injury less
than Seattle did. Bucky pointing out rightly that his Bucky Duck,
the irving for Morgan, didn't play, and Mike Evans, the
Hall of Fame wide receiver, didn't play, and a couple
of linemen didn't play. So everyone's hurt once they start
playing games. That's the nature this business. It does say

(37:19):
that the depth behind the starters is a problem for
Seattle and McDonald failed in his juggling in his head
of whether the blitz or not. He was conflicted, he
admitted to me after the game when I asked him
that question, said, Yeah, you're right. You got to pick
your poison on when to blitz and how much to
blitz a guy like Baker Mayfield, because even when you
blitzer might not get to him. And that's often what

(37:41):
happened yesterday. Anyway, Alarming is the word I keep going
back to. You get a game that good from a
quarterback Sam Donald, and I'm not I don't think the
last You can't blame this loss on him. That last
that was something of almost a freak play. But if
you have a free blitzer up the middle, trouble's gonna
happ But they have to win a game at Darn'll

(38:03):
leads in the four and seventy offense.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, well, I mean I think the other way around.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
You're right. Without that interception, the chances are it seemed like,
I mean, they hadn't been stopped and one, two, three, four,
five consecutives.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Maybe misses the field goal, but I think that would
have got range.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, true, And so it feels like you can see
kind of a silver lining on the offensive side of things,
and yet it doesn't feel very silverish. It feels like
it's going to turn green if you take a shower
in it, but it'll it'll it feels like, Okay, there's
some good things you can look at there. The defensive
side of it obviously just did not step up. I
mean they had that one stop that kind of stopped

(38:43):
the seventh straight where they were just going back and
forth with touchdowns and so, yeah, you can say depth
is not there, and yet to me it would still
feel like there's you got to expect that you're going
to have to play the depth part of it. So
is there is there changes that they're going to be
making or is this what you're with? Is there anything
you can do to hope that you're better in case

(39:05):
of not in case of but because you're gonna have
injuries the rest of the season as well.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Well, It is at the moment what they're gonna have
to roll with, and the hopes that Devin Witherspoon and
Julian Love can come back this weekend and Jacksonville from
their injuries and play again. It may well the people
the talk and even a thought inside their own building
that maybe we shouldn't trade freak Wollen because remember this,
I'm pretty sure this talk of teams wasn't to get

(39:31):
interested in Woollen came first from inside the building as
they were trying to shop them. But they got a
glimpse yesterday what life could be without him, and it
looks like they can use all the serviceable corners they
can find right now. Look, it's in the biggest picture.
And I took a step back at the end of
the game yesterday and thought about this. The name of

(39:51):
the game in the NFL remains quarterback play, and if
your quarterback takes care of the ball, you win. Sam
Donald drops the ball because he gets his right tackle
pushed in him at the end in the ten yard
line and thirty seconds left against San Francisco, they lose
by four. Sam Donald throws an interception off of guy's
helmet in the final minute, they lose by three. If

(40:14):
he holds onto the ball, they probably win both those
games and they're undefeated. I mean, despite the defense's problems.
If the quarterback takes care of the ball and the clutch,
they win. If Sam Darnald becomes cal Rawly and Julia
Rodriguez in the clutch on either of those two games
they win. But yet, having said that, you can't blame

(40:36):
yesterday's loss on him. So that's how narrow the margin
is for this team with a defense that they has
no depth in, the blitz that doesn't blitz, and the
pressure living with just four front four providing the pressure
that spell running out the margins of finn For a
lot of teams in the NFL, that's the nature of

(40:57):
this business. Ask the ball more Ravens right now. So look,
the Skuy's not falling. It's week five. They're three and
two in a division where the leader is four and one,
and they still play their division foes, the forty nine
ers again. They still play the Rams two more times.
They've already beaten the Cardinals, and the bigger picture, yesterday

(41:19):
doesn't really damage any bigger, longer term prospects. It's just
so alarming that the bedrock of the the team, the defense,
got absolutely torch.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, no doubt about it. All Right, Well, we got
a lot more ground to cover with all of this,
but we'll have to spread it out during a week
of baseball. So thank you, sir, great stuff. As always,
good to see you over the weekend and we'll talk
to again soon.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
Yeah, before I got some face to face. Yeah, Cookie,
I think I saw you even the third deck last night.
I think you're on the JumboTron at one point.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
No, I don't think I was ever in the third deck.
Just another like chubby, redheaded guy. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 6 (41:56):
No, no, No, a wife and a kid, just another
ball glance up, But that it was you. You don't
slum in the third deck. I'm sorry to Yes, there
you sometimes, man, I don't know. Now. I can see
I can see them win in both games of Detroit
and not even coming back. They're just there's something.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
That's what I'm predicting. Yeah, what's gonna happen?

Speaker 6 (42:19):
Yeah, Happy Monday.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Thanks good all right, Greg, thank you Seahawks. Inside of
Greg Mell joining us right here on Chugging Bug in
the morning. All right, Factor fiction coming up at seven
thirty five. We'll also talk about a really pivotal moment
that felt eerily the same on Saturday and Sunday for
Dan Wilson. That's coming up next. Sports Radio ninety three
point three kJ r f M. So it'll just be

(42:42):
isolated Hugh mel and we're gonna go iso on him
nice yeah, from eight to nine, as he'll break down
your Seahawks loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers yesterday out
at Loomin thirty eight to thirty five. But plenty to
talk about, that's for sure. But of course, Mariners, we've
just scratched the surface this morning on this topic, and

(43:02):
the ABC's of the MS will allow us to journey
preps into a couple different different directions. We left off
of the letter H on Friday. H is for homers.
Hora Polonko mustling up against Trek's schooble. Where would we
be without Hora Polanco's homers yesterday? Oh, thank goodness, thank

(43:23):
goodness all a Belaga has he had?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean thank god he's been that they
brought him back after last year's subpar season, because he's been.
He's been a godsend for for this team the entire season.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Holanders said, this H is for Hollander. He said, I
don't know if I could live with because he almost
went HS for Houston, He almost went to the Astros.
Can you imagine that I'd wanted Horay Polanco for years
finally get him. He has a bad year for us,
we would have let him go.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
He goes to.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Houston and probably is the difference in the American League West. Yeah, yeah,
that would be so many yeah yeah, And it was close.
It was close to happening.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I know that was the team that he was talking to,
and he actually wanted to come back and redeem himself.
He didn't feel good about the way they played last year.
Battle on injuries and just couldn't get out of basically
a season long funk that he was in. So yeah,
he comes back this year, has to battle with injuries
right off the bat and you know, not being able
to hit right handed for whatever reason was going on

(44:24):
with his side. And yet yesterday a couple bombs right
handed against the best lefty in the game right now,
one of the best pitchers period.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Uh, And it's just you're gonna have to do that.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Like going into the game, it kind of felt like,
all right, who's going yard today, somebody's got to run
into one. He's not perfect. He'll still make mistakes, just
like any pitcher will. It's the difference between a guy
like that going eight innings and shutting you out and
winning the ballgame is whether or not you have somebody
that capitalizes on the mistake, and he made a couple
of mistakes to him and made I think it was

(44:55):
a slider the first pitch, and he and he's he's
got a good swing or hey. They bring that professional
aspect where he stays in the zone a long time.
That's why he uses the entire field. And you have
to have that against a guy like Terrek School because
all this stuff is hard and it has crazy movement,
and so you're not going to arrive perfectly on time
very often. If you can stay in the zone longer, Now,

(45:16):
if that slider hits a big part of the plate,
you have a good chance of barrowing it up. He
does that with the first one and then comes back
and then turns on another one for that second home run.
And that it felt like breathing room. It felt like
the breathing room that he needed. Yeah, I mean it
felt like I mean, I just felt I was doing
math with Ian Furness up there.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I said, you know what, right now, if we can
get one more, well take his shoes off so kind
of stowes.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Uh uh, nope, nope, I said, I feel good right
now with the way that this is setting up for
our bullpen, and you know the back end of our bullpen.
But I'd feel twice as good if we could get
another run here. See that's the math I was doing
really so like two.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
He kept it to two if you had to go
on to eleven or more. I brought this up to Bucky.
I have not brought it up to Ashley or on
this morning show. But you know what probably Bucky and
I get the most grief for, and we take a
lot of grief for our Mariners analysis, is when we
talk about it being a long season. Okay, that's probably

(46:19):
what we get the most grief for here in our analysis. Well,
if Horry Polonko is not an example, and we talked
about this last night with the postgame show of how
long of a season earlier this year he could not
hit against left handed pitchers. They wouldn't allow it, no
matter how bad the left handed pitcher was. Horriy Polanka

(46:43):
was killing right handers, and yet because of his injury,
if a left he came into the game, we would
take him out of the game and that lasted for
about a month. That's how we dealt with Horray Polanco
in our lives and then what happens in the most
important game of the year to date. He hits two
homers right handed off of the best left handed pitcher

(47:06):
in the world. And that's not a long season. I
don't know what is.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
It's like he had like five seasons within a season.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
It is true, But I would say, also, H is
for Hallelujah, thank you for Jorge. Yes, I is for induce.
What do you think, gang, do we induce missus Naylor?
Let's just get this baby out of the way so
we don't have to worry about it Tuesday and Wednesday?
Is that what we do with our sports love? We
just we induced labor?

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Well, I don't know if this was a good idea,
but I did send her an edible arrangement that was
laced with potosin. Yeah, we'll just go ahead and get
this show on the road, because Naylor's a guy that
we're gonna need to be Josh Naylor if you want
to you want this ride, this roller coaster of a
postseason to go, you know, deep into the month. He's

(47:51):
gonna have to be contributing.

Speaker 6 (47:52):
Now.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I went back and looked at all of his at
bats yesterday, and there's one where he was swinging outside
the zone, which we've watched basically for the two months
we've had him, and he doesn't do that very often.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
He's professional hitter. He understands what the strikes.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
One is. He came out of the zone once against Google,
which will happen. It's a lefty on lefty matchup. He's
nasty against anybody he throws against. And when you're kind
of in a funk, you're not really seeing the ball
all that well, and you have to go against him,
you're gonna probably have a stinker ab somewhere on there.
But there's a couple others that he put good swings on,
just not quite staying through it. He's getting a little
bit pole happy. It seems like he's a pole hitter.

(48:27):
He's a guy that can hook that outside pitch and
hit it in the gap or out of the yard.
But I still feel good about what this guy brings
to the table. But I think if you just how
many times do you hear it?

Speaker 6 (48:36):
Right?

Speaker 1 (48:36):
You're listening to the broadcasting, Oh so and so his
wife had a baby yesterday and they throw for six touchdowns?
Are they end up hitting three bombs? It's all of
a sudden Yeah, some dad strength. So I think getting
that off of his mind a little bit and just
being like, Okay, she's okay versus having it in the
back of his head could be helpful. So that's what
I did for the team, because that's I'm a team guy.

(48:58):
I'll just help induce the Okay, Okay, all right? Yeah, hey,
welcome to Seattle.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
Yeah, I mean I gave her permission after the game yesterday,
like now would be a great time flight Arizona and
be back in Detroit by Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, yeah, I think this is a nice little window
for that would work out perfectly. Finally, Jays for journey,
Bucky and I are going on a journey where we
are going on the road. This is can be officially
announced starting today. We're flopping flopping hopping on a flight
to Detroit after our show today. And so when we
told you we're going to do a postgame show after

(49:32):
every single Marin or playoff game this year, we were serious.
So we will be in Detroit, Michigan the next couple
of nights to deliver our postgame show right here at
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM and do the
morning show as well. So a little double duty for
you throughout the postseason from Bucky and myself, so hopefully

(49:52):
you're checking it out. We got a lot of nice
compliments last night on the show that we did, including
from gas Man sent one out, so were it all
makes it worthwhile when people listen and are appreciative of it,
and so we'll do the double duty for you and
you just keep on listening, all right, Hugh Mellin's next
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. All right, we

(50:16):
got some Mariner stock coming away in the nine o'clock hour.
We'll go all Mariners nine o'clock. Ryan Healy's gonna join
us at nine thirty. We'll break down the weekend for
you there. But of course we're doing a little Monday
morning quarterback session as well, or QB one. Hugh Millan
is with us for this hour. We've gotten through the
porous defense portion of this hour, and now let's talk
about our quarterback, who was brilliant yesterday. Twenty eight completions,

(50:40):
thirty four attempts, three hundred and forty one passing yards,
four touchdowns, but then a costly interception at the end
of the game, which you know, destroyed a drive in
any chance of winning the game. Sam was great Hugh yesterday.
How much blame do we have to put on him
for that pick and a crucial moment? Well, I think

(51:02):
there's some blamed for sure. We'll get to that.

Speaker 7 (51:05):
I think in the postgame show, you know, you see
it live and then you see the the replay.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
And I think Trent Green is a really good guy.

Speaker 7 (51:16):
I think he's very thin in his analysis. And you know,
the way they showed it, it looked like there was
a cream off the buccaneer helmet and and you know
he was intending to go to point A to point
B and and so I think that had it not
hit the Buccaneers helmet, I think that he dirts the

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ball lands on the ground. It was second and one
fifty eight seconds remaining, and you're trying to go down
and get a field goal, right, and but you know
a couple of things going on there from a quarterback perspective.
If I if I'll take you into what the quarterback
meeting room would look like. It squeezed formations where you

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had a coup cup down in close to the left
tackle cross that there, there's there's a four down lineman,
and then there's four second layer defenders. The protection that
Seattle was in was is a very common protection where
you basically say, hey, we got we got a six
man protection. We're gonna send the center to the right

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and the back sharbonet is gonna who's lined up on
the left, he has he has the any blitzer off
the left side. And so in that in that protection,
you you definitely think of it like I got three
strong and I got three week.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
So if they bring four strong or four week.

Speaker 7 (52:38):
I got trouble, got me and so and and so
the weak side would be in this case would be
Darnold's left side, the side to the running back because
the tight end is to the right even though he's
not blocking. So so so I'm just saying how we
would talk in a quarterback meeting room. Okay, we got three,
we got three week handled, we got four. We we
can't handle four week. They they they blitzed, you know,

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a veteran safety coming off the edge, and that constitutes
for a week. And so now you say you got
to throw it to You got to throw the to
the hot to the side of where they're blitzing, because
it can get really dangerous to say, well, I've got
four week but I'm gonna throw the hot away. I'm

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gonna turn my eyes away from that. That is generally
not how your coach. So so darnold. He said he
could have thrown it to Horton out out on an
out route to the right side. That's true. And if
a guy comes from depth, there are times you can
break the rule. It's like eye before e except after C. Right,
you've heard that, Well, there's a ton of words that

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that break that rule. I'll give you one science, So
let's break down the science of this play. Had Tory
Hart Horton, he is playing with his inside leg back,
so on his speed out it's either you know what,
usually it's You're inside leg is forward, and it's either
a four step or six step out. Like I'd said

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a Mecca book on that six step out out and up,
it's a gray area, Chuck Buck that if you have
a five step speed out, whether I can recognize I
have pressure off my left, but I'm gonna throw to
wide open receiver. The Buccaneers are gonna three D three

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under zone, and so trying to throw to Horton, Then
what happens if he gets ear hold and he's looking behind.
I mean, you already had a situation a fumble against
the forty nine ers where Donald was looking to his left.
Now it wasn't a blitz. It wasn't on Donald. Abe
Lucas got forklift. And I don't understand how people can

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blame that on Sam Darnold. He's in the process of throwing.
If his hand gets hit, He's not a running back.
You don't hold him to the same standard of a
running back that he fumbled. To say that he choked
at the end of that game. I mean, I'm just
I'm gonna wear out my foreward with my palm on
that assertion. But again to the point of you want
to be throwing into the pressure, and so Cooper Cup

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he runs a little And by the way, nice job
of designing by the Buccaneers. They take a page out
of Mike McDonald's play. Because the guy who's on if
again quarterback meeting room, Sam, Who's who's the curl flat
defender on our left?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
We got three deep three under it.

Speaker 7 (55:23):
Coral flat is is is shallowing to my left, curl
flat shallowing to the right, and then we got a
hook zone defender in the middle. Those are the three
shallow defenders. The curl flat player to my left, Donald's left.
He started from the b gap on on on the
right side of the and so the DeVante David is
on my right.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
But he's buzzing out all the way to look, that's
Mike McDonald's stuff right there.

Speaker 7 (55:48):
And and so he gets to a spot he jams
up Cooper Cup. I thought Cup should have you know,
he knew it was a blitz. He should have not
tried to get more depth. So he tried to go
up the field at the time David. By the way
David grabbed his shoulder should have been uh uh. Defensive
holding shouldn't be like like that. Official will get a minus,

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a double minus because he missed that the lavonte Dort
just yanked. He materially impeded his progress. So at any rate,
So now Darnald is coming up. He's just trying to
dirt the ball and he throws it and it's just
you know what, sometimes, as I said last night in
the post game, philosophically, you have to decide his luck
part of sports and and and how do you feel

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about luck? His luck part of baseball is luck part
of golf, like like you you you know you at
the British Open, you you miss uh clearing the bunker
by six inches. They were to roll fine, but you
plug it, you know, six inches below like like you said,
well it's a bad shot. Well it's also a little
bit unlucky, right, like, so where does luck play? Sam

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Donald had the ball kareem off that he was throwing
it to point A in space, and the kareem off
the helmet caused the ball to go to point B
and I think it was enough to mean an interception.
But there's a lot going on there. I tried to
describe some of the elements. But from a quarterback perspective,

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he's gonna say, well, I wish I would have directed
a different protection. But guess what. There was the threat
because of the squeeze formation. There was a thread of
four week to the left side, and there was a
thread of four strong. So if he had to handle that,
if you knew in the aftermath that they were gonna
run that blitzwell you'd say, I'm gonna call my protection
where I put my center to the left and my

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back to the left. Now I can handle four week,
but I but I cannot handle three strong to the right.
If I can't handle three strong, obviously they're only you know,
my right guard and right tackle. That's my two on
my right. But I can't handle another one. That's that
would be Monday Morning Quarterback. Say, Sam, you should have
said sent the center and a running back to the

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left side, because then you could have handled the four weeks. Well,
guess what, they could have ran three strong. They could
have ran four strong, and then you'd add the same
problem right just on a different side. So you know,
it's just kind of one of those things that happens
in ball, and it happened at the wrong time for CP.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah, no doubt about it. Otherwise he was just tremendous.
More on the quarterbacks in our final segment of Monday
Morning Quarterback Today, coming up on the other side, Hume
Millin with a Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Well,
the Mariners they get a split over the weekend. I

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mean it could have been better. Oh they could have
been worse. Chuck Powell, Bucky Jacobs, and Ashley Ryan with
you here on this Monday. Normally we're Monday Morning quarterbacking
all day long, but certainly we make an exception when
the Mariners are in the American League Divisional Series and
are coming off their first home playoff win in a
quarter century and joining us now to celebrate it, to

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analyze it, and who knows what else to it. Ryan Heay,
is this former Mariner right here on the programmer, You're
going to be hearing a lot from throughout this Mariner
playoff run. Good morning, sir, Good morning. How are we
doing today?

Speaker 6 (59:10):
Man?

Speaker 2 (59:10):
We're doing all right. So yeah, how you feeling? I mean,
it felt like everybody was counting on that win on
Saturday and maybe not counting on it in Sunday. And
there's baseball for you, Ryan Healey, As you know, you
still come out with a one to one wash out
of all of it. But it was a strange way
to get there.

Speaker 8 (59:31):
Yeah, that wasn't the script that we had written before
that series started, to say the least. I definitely end
a pit in my stomach after the Saturday game they
lost in extras and then coming back, it just felt
kind of like a perfect storm or a perfect challenge
for this team. If the dream and the goal truly
is to get to the World Series and win a championship,
you have to go through pitchers like Scooble so to

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find a way to beat them. I was actually really
impressed with the way that they navigated that game, the
way that different players within that lineup put pressure on him.
And then obviously Jorge Polanco just with the two blast
what and unsung hero that decided to show up really
big for a squad.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, a great couple of AB's there. I mean, you're
just not gonna get a ton of mistakes out of
schoobl That's why he's gonna probably have another Cy Young
sitting on a mantle somewhere. But yeah, he didn't made
a mistake with a slider the first time, came back
and gave him a heater over the heart, and he
capitulates on that as well. I mean, how how tough
is that when the pressure is on you're going against

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a dude that's that good to kind of be that
that locked in and focused to not miss that mistake
when he threw it.

Speaker 8 (01:00:36):
The pressure can be a fickle thing because you have
to imagine what Scooball was feeling as well. He's pitching
in his hometown where he went to college down the
street in a massive playoff game where the expectation is
him for him to be perfect, and that had to
have crossed the Mariner's mind at some point of yeah,
we can feel all this pressure. We're download to one
where things facing the best pitcher in Major League Baseball,
but he has a ton of pressure on him to

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be perfect, and baseball is the furthest thing from perfect.
And we saw him make two mistakes last night that
got punished. That's what has to happen against the best
pitcher in the game. You have to punish mistakes. He
threw a two oz slider that caught too much of
the plate to Planco, and then Polanco battled a tremendous
at bat. He spit on two change ups down on
the zone and then he got a fastball. It was in,
but it was not up enough and Scooble rarely misses

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that upper end quadrant of the right handed hitters, and
he just got enough of the heart of the plate
where Planco was able to click. It's the left and
that was probably a more impressive bat to me than
the first home run that he hit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Ryan Healy is with us. We're leaning on him heavily
throughout the postseason for his analysis here of the Mariners
playoff run. I'll stay in the batter's box with you.
I'll put you in Julio Rodriguez's shoes. There in the
bottom of the eighth he comes through with the game winner.
What did you see there?

Speaker 8 (01:01:48):
I saw a hitter that knew what the shape of
the splitter was because he faced the night before. And
if you think about this, there are a series out
the course of the year. Will you do a home
and away against a team that's in essential to the
east that you play a lot and you'll see their
bullpen back to back weeks, okay, but back to back
night seeing the same arm with his best secondary pitch
being the splitter. He knew exactly what window that pitch

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needed to start in to end up in his zone.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
And the commitment that Julio had on that pitch.

Speaker 8 (01:02:14):
If you saw the finish, it was almost one handed
to contact and then the length after contact which allowed
that ball to get up and over the third basement.
That is a dream scenario for a right handed hitter
facing a right handed pitcher with the nasty splitter. You're
not gonna drive that baseball really hard to back spin
it so to be able to stay through that and
dreg drive in the game winning run ultimately was tremendous.

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The emotion you saw from him at second base after
that and then also in centerfield when the game was done.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Wash, it got my heart going.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
How'd you like the I mean, Dan's decision? It obviously
paid off yesterday when they brought Gabe in to face
carry Carpenter. The night before they didn't they left Georgia
and there didn't make a bad pitch, just a better
swing by him. But he basically changes that. Did that
seem like a yeah, that maybe cost us and by
not pulling the trigger on this one yesterday, we're not
gonna do that because he came in there and absolutely

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shut it down right there.

Speaker 8 (01:03:08):
You know, I listened to aj Hinch talk about this
post game as well, and this was a conversation pre series.
Was that was the matchup, the fact that they had
two lefties in the bullpen between Spyre and Ferguson, of
how they were going to utilize them and deploy them
because they do platoon Carpenter. But I'll be honest with
you guys, when I watch Kerry Carpenter the batter's box
right now, every single pitch. I feel threatened just with

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the takes, the competitive swings he is. He is spitting
on really nasty pitches right now. So I thought that
I love Dan's aggression of let me pull let me
pull him out here and let me challenge him with
the lefty to see how he responds, because maybe we
get Carpenter out of the game for the rest of it.
And aj Hinch said postgame he was I left him
in there because of how much game was left. And

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if you remember, Carpenter came up late in the game
as well, ended up punching out in the back door slider,
but had a very competitive at bat and I was
nervous the entire time. So I love the cat and mouth.
So I think that matchup with the two lefty is
gonna be really important the entire series.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
What is it about, you know, a major league or
just loving to face a team. Did you have a
team like that? I mean, he loves to face the Marinader.
Did you have a team like that when you played
like Man, I want to play the Padres. I own
the Padres.

Speaker 8 (01:04:16):
Yeah, you're not gonna like this answer, but I love
facing the Mariners. When I played for the It's part
of the reason why they traded for me, just getting
a partner together.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Then they're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Trade for Carpenter. Bring him over there if you can't,
if you can't beat him, doing him.

Speaker 6 (01:04:30):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
But there is something to it. I don't know if
it's the background. I mean, there aren't many people who
feel like they're at their best against our pitching, and
this guy is one of them.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
Yeah, he looks comfortable in the batter's box, but I
also feel like he's looked comfortable all year long. He
hadn't a bat late in the season, down the stretch
in September where he hit a game tying home run
the ninth inning. I believe it was against the Guardians,
and it was dead center in Comerica Park, which is
a big boy park. He just looks, he looks right
now and they need that bat. But to the contrary point,
I hope that he really struggles the rest of this series.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
With all the respect so advantage Mariners.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
I mean, it feels like this is where you start
getting deeper into a series and then you get to
keep running guys that could be number ones on a
lot of different you know, starting staffs, and so you
get to run who was our opening day starter out
there game three against somebody that is not their ace. Obviously,
nobody's gonna be the ace win. You got Terrek Skoogl
on the team. But does it feel like it's advantage.

(01:05:29):
It's one to one obviously, so there's no real advantage.
But to me, it feels like we're more in line,
do what we do and that'll take care of business.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
I think the Mariners have had the advantage this entire series,
though maybe they haven't played like it. But also when
we talked originally last Friday, we said how evenly matched
this team was in all three major facets of the game.
That has showing up a ton in the first two games.
So I don't expect this to be in a lopsided series.
I expect this to be highly competitive. Who's going to
make the least amount of mistakes and who's going to
execute their plan to perfect But if we're looking at

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Gilbert first Flairty, I'm excited to watch Gilbert perform. I
do hope that we can get a little bit of offense
early because we've seen the strength of our bullpen. But
I don't think we need to watch any more extrating
games during the postseason.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yeah, I mean, you weren't in the building over the weekend,
but you've been in that building before, and you've been
in it when it gets electric. But could you sense it?
Could you get an idea of just what you were
missing out on by not being at T Mobile lest
a couple of nights. I'm glad you asked that.

Speaker 8 (01:06:29):
I actually work with a about thirty to forty high
school players, and a bunch of them are local in Arizona.
One is up in Seattle, was at the game yesterday
and he sent me a video of his seats of
the game just ending, and he told me, he said,
simply best game I've ever been to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
And you could feel it.

Speaker 8 (01:06:45):
There was grown men crying in the stands that they
were showing on the camera. The emotion was massive, and
you can tell what this win meant for this city.
And I hope that, I hope that this club just
continues to take monkeys off their backs, that they go
down this because they're carrying twenty four year years of
history with them, and the further they go, the more
and more they can separate themselves from that history and
they can make them wrong this year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
All right, man, great stuff. We're really getting excited about
our Ryan Healey conversations these days. So we'll bug you
again after game three and game number four coming up
and can't wait, can't wait. All right, therea is Ryan
Healey former Marin are joining us here and we'll be
having Ryan on after every single playoff game this postseason,

(01:07:28):
and hopefully we go the entire I hope we talked
to Ryan Heally a lot. Yeah, it's my point.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Yeah, I want to be BFFs by the end of
this month. We'll be BFFs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
We talk to you like every day. He He's like, oh,
there's that Healey guy again making our day by showing
up talking about a win. Yeah, all right, we're gonna
get ready to go on the road. By the way,
and we've mentioned this a couple of times. Maybe I
thought we were kidding. Bucky and I are heading to
Michigan like now, like right now, we're going to Detroit.

(01:08:00):
So when we said we're going to do postgames, every
single postgame shows after every single game we minted and
not only were we going to do them, we're going to
do them from where they're being played, so we're heading
to Detroit, Michigan. We'll be doing our morning show from
Detroit tomorrow, and then we will have our postgame shows
for you as well Tomorrow night and Wednesday night from Detroit,

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so make sure you're tuning in. We got a lot
of great feedback, a lot of great compliments on the
two shows that we did over the weekend. Glad you're
enjoying it, and let's hope we have a bunch of
them before this month comes to a close. All right,
thanks for being with us today. Ashley's going to take
you the rest of the way. I think she's got
something up her sleeve, and then we'll talk to you

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tomorrow from Michigan at six am on Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM.