Best of Chuck and Buck 12-5

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Here comes Seattle into the offensive zone of the high
slot as Winterton forced off the puck now turned over
it front backhead scos Freddie Gatrol forces the turnover, undresses
Calvin Pickard out in front, and the Seattle crackhead pulled
back to within one twenty seven seconds to play in

(00:24):
the first three to Edmonton.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Nice that to Evertt and Ashley found the silver lining
last night. There you go, Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
That was it.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Yeah, that was pretty much it.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
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there's just kept scoring and scoring.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Yeah, wait till you the highlight in the ohow, it's
not as optimistic as that one was.

Speaker 6 (01:02):
There wouldn't stop scoring. It was a lot wem make
them stop scoring. At nine to four the final score
last night. So the Kraken finally found some offense and
then they couldn't stop Edmonton from doing whatever they wanted.
Connor McDavid ended up with a hat trick. How did
he not end up with six goals last night out

(01:23):
of the nine? And so suddenly Lane Lambert's Kracking are
in the midst of their first serious slump of the
Lambert era. When they play defense, they can't score, and
then when they score, they can't top stop the other
team from scoring.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
And so four straight losses for the Kracking. They haven't
scored on the power play in four games now, and
they fall into eleven, eight and six on the year.
They'll try to snap out of it tomorrow. They'll be
at home against the Detroit Red Wings at seven o'clock.
That's where we'll start our frost r cors Light Choose

(02:01):
Chill headlines here on a Friday, let's rip through some
other notes here. Of course, Selection Sunday coming up in
college football, so that will be the culmination of conference
championship week. In the college game, they're going to be
games tonight of significance, and there is a chance that
if James Madison wins over Troy tonight, they're goin to

(02:23):
be two group of five teams that make the tournament field.
The overcrowded tournament field where not all the worthy teams
can get into the twelve team field. There is a
chance that two group of five teams can get in
because if Duke beats Virginia tomorrow night, James Madison, North
Texas and Tulane all rank higher than Duke, so that

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means ACC doesn't get in and two group of five
teams will get into the tournament field this year talk
about some controversy. Put it to hear that conversation on Monday.
If that happens, I love it. Meanwhile, number eleven BYU
at number four Texas Tech to get us started.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Tomorrow at nine am.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Georgia will play at one o'clock against Alabama for the
SEC title, and Indiana versus Ohio State the game of
the weekend at number two versus number one for the
Big Ten title at five o'clock. Virginia will play Duke
also at five o'clock. National Football League Week number fourteen
got started last night with the Detroit Lions defeating the

(03:25):
Dallas Cowboys by a final score of forty four to thirty.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
They scored the last fourteen points in the game.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Great schedule this weekend Indianapolis at Jacksonville, Chicago in Green Bay,
Houston at Kansas City, Cincinnati at Buffalo, Pittsburgh at Baltimore.

Speaker 7 (03:41):
Man.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
That's a great.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Schedule this week in the NFL. And on Sunday, the
Seahawks will also be part of that schedule. They'll be
taking on the Atlanta Falcons. It's time to chat with
Greg with the Bell tolls.

Speaker 8 (03:53):
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Speaker 4 (04:09):
Now with Man News, Here's Greg Bell with Chuck and Budd.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
And Greg Bell's going to be calling one of these
games this weekend.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Right, do I have that right?

Speaker 7 (04:18):
Good morning to Yes, I'm going to be at Husky
Stadium tonight at the three A final Mount Tahma and
oday Mountahoma, China went for the first time in forty
five years against course the Institution that money Cooler has
a ODI. Mike Betton and I are gonna be doing it.
Michael be on play by play. I have the color
analysts and now it's just seven pm on nine to
fifty am tonight from Husky Stadium on.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Fun looking forward to it. I can tell you're looking
forward to it.

Speaker 7 (04:44):
Yeah, I enjoy I did it last year with Chris Kidd.
I did the play by play last year when O'Dea
beat Bellevue, and I've officiated a couple of O Day
games this year. I'm familiar a little bit with them,
so yeah, it's yeah, it's fun. It's fun for the
kids to be in Husky Stadium. That they did it
right at WI credit Gen Cohen she got that done
before she left for USC, and many around college athletics

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wanted those high school players to be on a bigger
stage than they were. Of course, they had moved out
of the Tacoma Dome for some rent and remodeling issues,
and then they played a couple of years done in
Puallup and various regular high school fields. But now at
Husky Stadium it feels like a big deal for those kids.
It's cool, all right.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
So seven o'clock tonight it will be to Home Mount
to Homa versus Oday seven o'clock Greg and Mike on
the call, and then tomorrow night the four a state
championship sumner in Lake Stevens. It'll be Chris Kidd and
Dick Vane on the call tomorrow night as well. All right, well,
let's get in Seahawks Falcons. Well, a name that didn't
pop up yesterday in our roundtable and should have is

(05:48):
Julian Love. What's the update on him? I mean, is
he ready to play?

Speaker 7 (05:54):
Well, they're me and Coy for competitive reasons. They don't
want the Falcons to know that the Pro Bowl safeties
back for the first since September. He said yesterday, there's
a plan. I don't know if I'm supposed to say this,
but there's a plan. He used the term ramp up,
which is the same term that Mike McDonald used. He's
back from he's been designated to return from injured reserve.
And how the NFL roles are now is that you

(06:16):
have twenty one days up to a max of twenty
one days to practice before they have to make a
roster decision on you. Love's not going to take it
all twenty one days. But he did have a setback
in late October when he tried to come back, and
it set him back a month. So they are being
somewhat of a ramp up caution with him. He's been
listed as a limited practice participant in the first two
days of practice. He's been back here Wednesday and Thursday,

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whereas Jared Reid has also been designated return from injured
reserve has been a full practice participant coming off his
wrist surgery. So it would appear reading Tea leaves that
Jared Reid is closer to playing Sunday in Atlanta than
Julian Love. But the way Love is answered that yesterday
and how coy, I have a feeling that the plan

(06:59):
is that He's going to get activated and Jared Reed
will be both activated to play on Sunday in Atlanta.
They have two roster spots open on the active fifty three.
It would appear Red and Love are going to fill those.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Man getting Love back. I mean, I had Greg Bell
and Hugh Mellan yesterday spent ten minutes talking about they're
just now unlocking nick Emon Warri's abilities. DeMarcus Lawrence, at
age thirty three, might be playing the best football we've
seen in years, if not for his career. Ernest Jones
the perfect fit. I mean, this defense already looks very good.

(07:33):
Maybe even great. I mean, how much better could it
get in the last third of the season.

Speaker 7 (07:39):
Yeah, it's not even mentioning. Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy
are co leading the team with sacks right now at six. Yeah,
Love coming back gives them another card to play. He
gives Mike McDonald's Pacific another card to play, another way
to play, different coverages, way to do a different arrange.
We call everyone on the roster and on we call

(08:00):
Nick and even worry of safety, but he's not. He's everything. He's,
as we mentioned, even a defensive end right now. So
Love's return doesn't really affect him because even whore it
doesn't play much in the back end. But tyle Katta
is the one who has emerged since Love has gotten hurt.
Who would stand to lose the most playing time if
Love comes back? And frankly, if you see how you

(08:23):
take that trade right, I'll take Jillian Love for tyer
Katta for the playoff run. So, yeah, good gets better
if Jillian Love can come back without a setback and
he can be full go his smarts. I mean, he
can diagnose plays before they happen. He's played every position
in the secondary he's been a corner with the Giants,
he's been a nickel, he's been a free safety of

(08:44):
strong safety. That really comes in handy when teams like
the Rams in the forty nine ers send all their
formations and their bunch groupings of receivers and misdirections at
the Jillian Love really would come in handy to be
back on the field for those games.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Greg Bell is with us our Sea Haawks insider, joining
us here on this Football Friday, getting you ready for
Seahawks Falcons on Sunday morning at ten o'clock from Atlanta, Georgia.
More on that in a moment. But I couldn't help
but notice that you wrote about something that I tried
my damnedest to get in on Monday's show.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
But it we just there, just didn't seem to be
the window.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
But Brandon Peeley got away with something football players normally
don't get away with.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Number one, he.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Stood up for his teammate by coming in and punching
another guy in the face. Number two, he got away
with it Scott Free and number three, the guy that
he hit got the fifteen yard penalty in the game.
And so I mean, everybody's looking for that free shot
against that guy that's playing dirty, and Brandon Peeley got it.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
And I thought that it.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Was never going to actually get talked about or written
about until you wrote about it for the News Tribute.
What did you find out about that entire storeory line.

Speaker 7 (10:01):
Well, this week he's been a full keyro Brandon Peely
has in his locker room. That's great that Leonard Williams
is offered to pay his fine if the NFL finds him,
and there's a good chance the NFL is going to
find Brandon Peely today. That's a seventy million dollar defensive
end offer the practice squad defensive tackle to pay to
pay his five the sideline. The reason I wrote about

(10:22):
it is I noticed through the binokas the sideline went
nuts when Peely came off the field at the end
of that series. For what he did. Josh Joe was
coming in to make a tackle at the end of
the running back seventeen yard run in the fourth quarter,
and Blake Brando, the guard for Minnesota head budded Josh
job as you're trying to get him as if you're

(10:43):
trying to get him off his running backs tackle just
head butted him face match to face mask. Jove, in fact,
got taken out by the NFL's concussion monitor from the
sideline and had to come out of the game to
be checked for concussion. He cleared a protocol, so he's okay.
But as soon as Peeley saw that, he ran another
ten yards behind the play, and you're right, he threw

(11:05):
a punch. It was a haymaker right hand, which is
not quite wise if he's got the other guy's got
a helmet on. But the inside of his arm met
his fist missed, but the force of his arm thrusting
hit the side of Branda's head and knocked his head back.
That should have been an ejection in the rules. If
you throw a punch, whether it lands or not, it's

(11:27):
an ejection. But they missed it. You're right. The flag
came to Peeley. I talked to him yesterday. He said, yeah,
I thought that flag was on me for sure. He's
also saying, why are you asking me in writing this,
because I don't want them to find me. Hopefully they
just forget about me. But he said that that's he
was sticking up for his guy, and he said, that's
the locker room culture they have built here. He said,

(11:50):
in the way he sees it, it's been twofold. The players,
the guys that they brought into that building, how they
are wired, and Mike McDonald's culture, how he feeds this brotherhood.
McDonald thinks the brotherhood aspect of this team, which Leonard
Williams and the Marcus Lawrence think is the reason this
is the best defense those two have ever played on
and they played twenty three combined years in the league.

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But they think it started. They think that brotherhood is
the key to the Seahawks being nine to three and
haven't won the best defensive league. Mike McDonald thinks it
started back in April when and we talked about this
back then, Chuck that everyone one hundred percent of the
veterans showed up for the voluntary meetings, workouts, drills. That's

(12:33):
unheard of. Guys usually go to weddings, wives, have babies,
in the offseason, whatever, for kids' birthday party, any reason
they could figure out not to come to that stuff.
And if nobody bats an eye usually well one dred
percent of the Seahawks showed up for those and McDonald
at the time said, this is special. I know, I
don't normally get this, and coaches don't normally get this,

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and McDonald has mentioned it a couple times. Is why
he thinks this team is tighter than any He's been
on the Ravens for ten years and Brandon Peely's act
was an example of that. We'll see if he gets fined.
Maybe didn't help his cause by writing about it so
everyone can read about it, but yeah, he's Brandon Peely
is a very popular guy. Asking well, what happened? What

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were you thinking? Then he said, my brotherly instinct kicked in.
I said, oh, how many siblings you have? He said nine.
He's the oldest. He's the oldest of ten kids, and
they grew up in Anchorage, Alaska at some moment in
the Alaska Native American family explain everything, Yes, exactly, and

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he's the oldest of ten. His youngest sisters four. Can
you imagine twenty six to four that family's ten kids.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Greg Bell with us R S the UX Insider, All right, well,
let's use our remaining times talk about this matchup with
the Atlanta Falcons. I mean, this is just this is
the last game on the schedule that you absolutely should
not lose, and so how could they possibly lose this
game against a floundering four and nine football team that
no doubt is playing its worst football right now.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
Yeah, lost six of seven. Atlanta has lost their starting quarterback,
Michael Pennix, who we all know here in Seattle, and
that's usually the end of the season. And even though
it's a veteran Kirk Cousins, former eighty million dollar guy,
this is not how it's supposed to go. Drake Glennon,
their top receiver, hasn't practiced all week. He may not play,
which underlines the fact that it's Dejon Robinson all day

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for Atlanta. The top running back, the number five running
back in the league, is going to be a thousand
yard rusher with five more yards on Sunday. If he
runs for one hundred hundred and fifty and the Seahawks
and Sam Darnold turn the ball over a few times,
they could lose this game. The Seahawks are not yet
to the point that they can just roll the ball
out and win. Sure, so that's the recipe, don't turn

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the ball over. And so far this is the number
three NFL defense rush defense, and as I said, I
just don't think they've been tested all that much because
they've been leading like two touchdowns early in games. This
will be the test. Atlanta, even if they fall behind,
will continue to run stop Bijon Robinson, and you're going
to win. And you're right. This will be the last
game that this is like this. This is the last game.

(15:19):
The schedule gets tougher from here. Eight and four Colts
next week, then the Rams in the Big Battle Royal rematch,
then they go to Carolina, who is seven and six
in playoff contention, and then they end at San Francisco.
So must win in essense, you just don't want to
give this one away. The Rams came back to you
in the standings last week by losing in Carolina, which

(15:40):
evens the NFC West at nine to three. You want
to keep it that way until when Rams come up
here December eighteen.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I just can't imagine this defense. As great as Robinson is,
and he's great, and I don't overuse the word great,
he's a great player. I just can't imagine this defense
against one great running back is susceptible. I just can't
see that he.

Speaker 7 (16:00):
Wouldn't think so. And eventually Kirk Cousin's going to have
to throw and the way the Seahawks have played this
defense this year because they've stopped the run so effectively,
those throwing situations have been third and long. So get
them in third and along again, and then Leonard Williams,
DeMarcus Lawrence, Byron Murphy. Blitz is here and there from
even worry and Weatherspoon can get to Cousins, who doesn't

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nearly escape like the quarterbacks they faced recently, cam Ward
and others. Yeah, just don't let Robinson get going because
the Atlanta's definitely going to try that. Yeah. On the
flip side, we mentioned Minnesota is the number one blitz
team in the NFL. Number two is Atlanta, And we
talk about how many sacks of Seahawks have. They're on
pace for the second most in team history. They've got

(16:42):
forty right now. Atlanta has forty one, fourth third in
the league. In the Seattle's fourth. So pass protection again
is can they get the ball quickly? Look for shorter
routes from Smith and Jigbit than his usual twenty yard
in routes and he's been feasting on all season. Let's
see what adjustments they make to the blitz this time
compared to what the Vikings got him for four sacks

(17:03):
last week. That's a key because this copycat league, they're
going to see a lot of blitzing based on what
Minnesota did. Did that last All right.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, enjoy Atlanta, enjoy the game tonight. I'll get up
a box of Krispy Kremes when you're Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
You gotta do that.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
And uh and we'll chat with you, hopefully on on Monday.
Hopefully you will be traveling. Uh and we miss you again.

Speaker 7 (17:24):
Yeah, I think they might be. I gotta take those,
especially in December. Else delays, but yeah, no, it's gonna
be hopping the SEC title games going on right when
I land.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll have that.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Enjoy We'll talk to him soon, all right, Greg bell
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Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. We can't satisfy
all the fans out there with a twelve team format.
I don't want to expand it, though not yet. I'd
like to kick the tires on this twelve team format
for a little while longer. I'm just happy we have
a college football tournament for goodness sake, but it's not
going to stop the noise. Certainly, they're going to be
a couple of teams, more than a couple, that are

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going to be left out of the playoff that look
like playoff teams. Have had playoff caliber seasons this year,
and that is unfortunate. But it doesn't matter how big
or sow small you make it, there's always going to
be a couple of people that have something to say,
have a case to be made that they belong into
the tournament. And I'm actually, even though I've been defending

(19:01):
the committee here as of late, I can't wait to
criticize them on Monday, really looking forward to it.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
I hope they do.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Screw something up because that's great fodder for sports talk radio.
So we'll see, we'll see how it all unfolds. But
I will say this, this is the one loudest argument
that's being made and Rick new Isel, and everybody knows
how much I love Rick new Isel. He said this
earlier in the week. He said, you can't have Notre

(19:30):
Dame over Miami. Yeah, of course you can. I mean,
of course you can. I mean, I get it. I
even heard Bruce Feldman yesterday talking about this, and he's
so angry that how that the committee's just fallen asleep
on this, And he actually used the phrase, you can't

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not value head to head, right, But it's not the
only thing, right. It's a when you have all of
these teams that have played twelve games and you only
have resumes to go.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Off of and a little bit of eye test.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, isn't there an argument to be made that even
though Notre Dame lost to Miami, they lost on the
last play of the game in the second game of
the year, and that that loss doesn't look as bad
as Miami losing to Louisville.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Is there an argument to be made there.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I mean, I know they played head to head and
Miami beat Notre Dame, but in terms of the overall
resume is and I don't want to defend Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
I'm much rather.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I like Miami a lot more than Notre Dame.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
I wouldn't say a lot more.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I do a lot more.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah, but I hate Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
But yeah, I don't ever want to see Notre Dame
have success. No, But just in defense of the thought
that Notre Dame could edge out Miami, I mean, if
you just took away the head to head and we're
not going to but if you took away the head
to head, it's no doubt. Notre Dame's two losses were
at the first two games of the year. They lost

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on the last two plays of the game.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
I believe.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
They were both on the road against two teams that
are currently ranked seventh and tenth in America. Those are
not bad losses. Those are actually, you know, if there's
such a thing good losses. Miami's two losses won at
home against SMU where they got ran off the field,
and the other one was against Louisville, which is not

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a bad team. But they're not in this picture, are they?
So you actually, Notre Dame's two losses look a lot
better than Miami's two losses, even though one of them
was against Miami. However, obviously the committee can't just ignore
the head to head matchup, and they won't. I mean,

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there is a a I mean, pay attention. Notre Dame
keeps slipping the more the resumes, the full resumes are
coming together. Notre Dame keeps slipping down, and Miami keeps
slipping up, and they're kind of head to head right
now and neck to neck in trying to determine the
last spot in this playoff. And so if Miami got in, Man,

(22:22):
I get everybody's argument for Miami. I get everybody's argument
for the head to head victory that they have over
Notre Dame. But those people that are so angry about it,
Bruce Feldman, I wish you would have directed this anger
back to when we didn't have a tournament, made something happen, Right,
You're more angry about Notre Dame getting in over Miami

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than you were that we didn't have a tournament to
begin with.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Yeah, that's just stupidity, is the Miami Alum.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
I don't know that I have no idea, but I
mean Rick new Eisal said it too, and he certainly
doesn't have rooting interest one way or the other with
these two teams. But certainly there is a case that
the committee can make I test ten win game, winning streak,
all sorts of things. How Notre Dame gets in over Miami.
It's not like they got Notre Dame third. Yeah, Okay,

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And I think there's a chance that both get in,
and I think there's a chance that both are out
before this is all said and done. It really hinges
on what Alabama does. I mean if BYU upsets Texas Tech,
does Notre Dame or Miami get in over Texas Tech
or two lost Texas Tech, I don't think that they will,

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you know, because they lost their second game in the
conference championship round, Yeah, which Notre Dame in Miami didn't
even compete in.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
I mean Miami plays in the worst of the Power
for conferences and didn't even get to the conference championship game.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Now, isn't that an element to consider?

Speaker 5 (23:59):
I would think as you're.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Trying to like figure out how close these resumes are
to one another.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
That has to be brought up in the conversation.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah, I did answer the question though he did go
to University of Miami, which now makes sense about it.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
It seems comes together.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
It seems to be the root.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
We talked about this yesterday. That seems to be the
route to all of the truly angry people. Look, we've
brought it around full circle.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, he's a fan of Miami and he thinks that
they're getting screwed.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Well, you should be more professional than me.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
And then there's the other thing to consider, and we'll
talk more about this in the Friday O Show. There
is a chance that two of the games that are
played tonight that two teams, the two winners of the
James Madison Troy game and the North Texas Tulane game,
are both getting in the tournament. If Duke upsets Virginia

(24:53):
tomorrow night, both of those team Because the rule is,
it's not the rule is not an acc team to
be represented. The rule is five conference champions have to
be represented in the tournament. If both James Madison and
let's say North Texas over Tulane. But you could flip
flob them if they win tonight. They were both ranked

(25:17):
ahead of Duke Sunday or Tuesday, so they're probably Dukes
lost five games, an eight and five. Duke's not gonna
jump either of these teams in the standings, which means
the ACC is completely out potentially, and both James Madison
and Tulane I'll use the other example this time, both

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get in. So if you want to talk about noise,
oh wait till the anger. If that happens with a
Texas and a Vanderbilt and a Miami on the outside
looking in and potentially, you know, an Alabama if they
lose to Georgia on the outside looking in, and we're
putting two group of five teams into the twelve teep

(26:00):
precious twelve team tournament field.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
I'm here for all this chaos, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Now, And that's legit. I mean, that's those that are
gonna be angry about that scenario unfolding. Yeah, there's some
legitimacy to it, and that probably will have to be
tweaked before next year, Yeah, because you can't have that
happen again.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
But I really do like the chaos.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
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Speaker 7 (26:28):
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Speaker 4 (26:57):
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Speaker 4 (27:00):
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Speaker 5 (27:02):
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Atlanta Falcons. They'll be in Georgia having some biscuits and gravy,
some crispy creams. Oh you gotta go when that light song,
you gotta go.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
In that light zone.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
What they say, Oh yeah, that's when I fresh out
the oven.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
Oh oh yeah, or friar wherever they come from. Yeah,
I don't know what, but I bet warm ones. I've
had one warm one in my life. It was delicious.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
You're driving down the road, you see that light on,
you have to stop.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
That's what I was told.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Greg Bell was with us at seven o'clock this morning,
and h boy, I don't see a lot of paths
for the Falcon to beat the Seahawks on Sunday, but
Greg tried to figure it out himself.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
Dreg Glennon, their top receiver, hasn't practiced all week. He
may not play, which under lines the fact that it's
Vjon Robinson all day for Atlanta. The top running back,
the number five running back in the league, is going
to be a thousand yard rusher with five more yards
on Sunday. If he runs for one hundred hundred and
fifty and the Seahawks and Sam Darnold turn the ball

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over a few times, they could lose this game. The
Seahawks are not yet to the point that they can
just roll the ball out and win. Sure, So that's
the recipe. Don't turn the ball over. And so far
this is the number three NFL defense and rush defense.
And as I said, I just don't think they've been
tested all that much because they've been leading like two
touchdowns early in games. This will be the test Atlanta,

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even if they fall behind, will continue to run. Stop
Vjon Robinson and you're going to win.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
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Speaker 4 (28:58):
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Speaker 5 (29:01):
We call it the pod.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'll disagree a little bit with how he phrased that.
I think B John Robbin. You don't have to stop
B John Robinson. You just can't let him dominate, right.
I mean, he can rush for one hundred, he can
rush for one hundred and ten yards, and I still
think the Seahawks will win this football game if he
rushes for one seventy five and catches another fifty. Now,

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now we're in trouble.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Yeah you tell me that.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I'm like, oh, oh, what was the final score of
that game? But I don't think it's possible to just
stop him in his tracks. I think that's asking too
much of the Hawks defense. But I just don't think
one man can beat the Seattle defense. And that's pretty
much what's going on. Robinson entered the week ranked fourth
in the NFL and rushing yards add nearly six hundred

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receiving yards, and you have yourself one heck of a
multipurpose weapon. But he might be the only weapon offensively
that Atlanta has left. Michael Pennix is out at quarterback,
and wide receiver number one Drake London is doubtful for Sunday.

Speaker 8 (29:59):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
I mean, I have a lot of confidence about the
Seahawks team going in and obviously, yeah, the one factor
is Jon Robinson, but I also don't anticipate this defense
giving up one hundred and seventy five yards on the ground. No,
I just don't see it.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, four and eight Falcons have lost six of their
last seven games. The nine to three Seahawks sit atop
the division right now, tied to top the division, technically
a little bit behind the Rams because of the head
to head match up to Smidge, But you got two
nine and three teams one nine and four team. The
Rams will be at Arizona Sunday trying to bounce back

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from a loss to the Carolina Panthers. San Francisco at
nine and four is on by so they're finally serving
their bye week this week, and they would need both
the Seahawks and the Rams to lose to draw even
in the NFC West Seattle at Atlanta ten am. Kickoff.
The week fourteen, which is a fascinating one in the

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National Football League, got started last night in Detroit, where
the Lions topped the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Gibbs working the right side walker in front of the.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Ten, Gibbs skipping to the five under the eggszone for
a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Tristan Cologne was the convoy to lead.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Gibbs to the promised Land and perhaps to lead the
Lions to their eighth win of the season forty three
point thirty with the extra.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Point to come west Wood one with the highlight there.
Jamiir Gibbs rushed for forty three yards last night, but
he scored three touchdowns. I was so jealous of Ashley
when she got Jamiir Gibbs in our fantasy league this season,
and man, has he been unbelievable. I think he is
the fastest, like from a dead stop to the peak

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of his speed.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Runner I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Now, maybe I'm the prisoner of the moment, but I
think his ability to get the top speed in a
short space is unlike any football player I've ever seen.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Yeah, he is fantastic to watch. It's been very fun.
I am lucky I got him in our fantasy football league.
I got him in two leagues, did you really Yeah?
Last yeah, last week he had fifty and sixty points
for me in those leagues. This week thirty five and
thirty something.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I mean he came in and out in the same
draft with B. John Robinson, and everybody thought Robinson's were
going to be the top five pick. But why are
you picking Gibbs twelfth? And I think he's every bit
is good.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Yeah, maybe better, I would agree than B John Robinson,
but most great, and especially playing with Detroit's offense two
probably helps him quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Detroit scored the last fourteen points of the game to
pull away from a hot Dallas squad.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Forty four to thirty was.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
The final score, so the Cowboys fall back to five
hundred on the season. The Lions are still even with
the win. On the outside of the playoff picture looking in,
even with their eight and five record. Week fourteen's boy,
it's a stunner. Cincinnati at Buffalo, Pittsburgh at Baltimore. So
a lot's going to be sorted out there in the

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AFC North. And those aren't even the three best games.
The best early game is gonna be Indy at Jacksonville.
Those two teams tied record wise atop the AFC South
Chicago at green Bay. Only a half game separates them.
And if you haven't checked out your handy dandy standings lately,
you might be surprised to know that the Bears are
actually in first place in the NFC North. They'll be

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at green Bay to take on the Packers. That's the
best afternoon game, and then at night Houston at Kansas
City terrific matchup, and it might be playoff time for
both of those teams right now. They're on the outside
of the playoffs looking in, and the Kansas City Chiefs
might be desperate at this point. So that's a heck

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of a Sunday for you.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, that is gonna be a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Saturday's even better.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
College Football Conference Championship Week is here. Of course, the
big game is the Big Ten title game between Ohio
State and Indiana. That's number one versus number two in
America meeting for the Big Ten conference title. I'm not
saying that Ohio State is intimidating for the Hoosiers, but

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to me, it feels like what I'm hearing Indiana is
really working hard to try to convince themselves they can win.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
I'm so excited.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
I'm sided. Well that's not encouraging.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
No, that doesn't. I would have thought they would have
had a little more faith than themselves.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Guys like they fell apart.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
Yeah you got this, we need you kind of send
them a pep talk like some donuts Chrispy.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Ohio State versus Indiana, that's that's just fantastic. And and
and these are not finesse teams. Everybody thinks Indiana some
finesse team. I mean they are gritty and happen to
feature the guy that's probably going to win the Heisman
Trophy and against the clear cut number one ranked team
in the country. Have been almost all season long since

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they beat Texas in the season opener. So five o'clock
on Fox, that's the only game on Fox the rest
of the Big Game Saturday, will be on ABC. You're
gonna have eleven BYU taking on Texas Tech for the
Big twelve title at nine am kickoff one o'clock Georgia
rank third in the country versus number nine Alabama. That's

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at one for the SEC title, and then the ACC
title will also be played at five o'clock, but on
ABC it'll be number seventeen Virginia versus Duke. And then
there are two games tonight Troy versus James Madison, North
Texas versus Tulane, and both of those games could very
well impact selection Sunday, which is now just two days away.

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Rick new Isle was with us on Tuesday. He's got
a lot of problems with those committee members.

Speaker 9 (35:55):
I just think we need to tweak the schedules and
we need to make it not subjective in the committee room,
because they just stick to wins and losses, the head
to head stuff. The notion of who you played really
isn't factored in. You can't have Notre Dame ahead of Miami.
That makes no sense to anybody. If you talk to Texas,

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there are five teams that are going to make the
tournament from the SEC, and if you look at the
top five teams in the SEC. There are two that
are seven and one and there are three that are.

Speaker 7 (36:28):
Six and two.

Speaker 9 (36:29):
Texas is one of those six and two teams, and
they beat the other two six and two teams, but
they lost to Ohio State. The reason they lost to
Ohio State is they played Ohio State. They didn't have to,
and they're in. If we want games that are going
to be of significance in the non conference, we can't
penalize people. And yet I also understand if you didn't

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win the game, you can't be rewarded as if you did.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Break new Isel with us on Tuesday. I mean, I
agree with almost everything new Isaal says about college football,
but I do think he's a little bit off. I think,
as I mentioned in our last segment, I think there
is an argument for Notre Dame to be above Miamiyah.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
I think there's a very good one.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
And yet I think there's a very good argument for Miami,
because of that head to head wind, to be ahead
of Notre Dame since they both have the same records.
I think there's a great argument for Texas to get
into this, and I don't want to squelch potential great matchups.
Like Ohio State and Texas because teams are like, there's
no benefit to it, you know, you just put yourself

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at risk. But let's also point out that Texas would
be in it if they just didn't lose to a
bad Florida team. They would be in it, and they
would be ranked pretty highly. They would be the highest
ranked two lost team in this entire process. So, look,
they're gonna be doesn't matter how small or big you
make this thing. They're gonna be a couple of teams

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who have a great case for being in it. They're
gonna be left out. And the conversation that follows is
part of the fun. Yes, and it stinks if I
mean Vanderbilt, I feel terrible for Vanderbilt.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
I don't know how many chances they're going to get
to ever be here.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I don't know how many Heisman Trophy candidates they're going
to have for the rest of their lives. I'd love
to see the Vanderbilt Commodoores led by Diego Pavia get
into this tournament field, but they're not going to. Somebody's
going to be left out of the process. And so yes,
let's have our debates. But the anger that people are

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already established.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Seems strange to me.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Yeah, especially we don't know how they're gonna actually what's
gonna We don't know what's going to happen in these games,
so we have no idea what's going to happen on Sunday. So,
you know, baby steps, don't just get your preemptive anger
because you want to get all riled up, thinking the
louder I am, the more likely they'll hear us, and
then they'll definitely, you know, reward our team. That's not
the way it works. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I wish you would have been as angry about us
not having a tournament. I mean that would have been great.
I could have used the support for fifty years of
my life. Yeah right, you know that. You know, where
were you with me boycotting the Bowl games until they
gave us a tournament? And instead people seem to be
more angry with the committee for making a difficult decision
that they haven't even made yet. Yeah, it's very strange.

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Alabama is also a very interesting story here because there
are people at ESPN, big names at kirk Kurbstreet. Nick
Saban talked about it on Saturday that think that your
resume should end at the end of the regular season,
that you should not get punished because you earned a

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right into the conference championship game, had to play an
extra game and may lose.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
To a team that you beat during the regular season.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
That shouldn't affect your status as a playoff team. I
get that argument too, but it has to affect it.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
Yeah, Otherwise, why are you having the games?

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Right?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I mean, it's gonna affect Georgia. I mean, if Bama
beats Georgia, Georgia's gonna slide down, right, They're not gonna
be the third ranked team in the tournament. They're not
gonna get a buye in the first round if they
losed Alabama, and if Alabama beats them twice, there's no
way you can rank Georgia ahead of Alabama. No chance
that you could do that. So if Alabama loses that

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game and they lost a Florida State at the beginning
of the year and got trashed, yes, it has to
factor in. If we're saying there's an eyelash difference between
Alabama and Notre Dame, and an eyelash difference between Notre
Dame and Miami, and an eyelash difference between Miami and
Texas's resume. You better believe losing a third game conference

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championship or not has to factor into that decision.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
Yes, I just again, you have the games right now,
So if you don't want them to factor in the future,
get rid of the games. But right now they have
to matter.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I think they are going to get rid of them.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
And I think though, we are going to get rid
of the possibility to have two group of five teams
in a twelve team tournament field. I think that will
get adjusted immediately after this season, even if it doesn't happen.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
The possibility that it could have the fact.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
That they're crapping their pants right now that this could happen.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
They're going to get rid of that.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
They're going to have different requirements for whether a group
of five team even can get in at all, especially
a two loss tu Lane, a two loss Tulane.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Gets in over Miami. That's what people should be like.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
We can't about not angry because it's part of the rules,
but angry because we can't let that happen again. Yes,
so you know we're still in the infancy stages. It's
just year number two of the tournament. I love that
it's here. Everyone should love that it is here. There
are still some things to figure out about it until
we can get the exact right system. We're not there yet,

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but let's learn from that again this year and maybe
we can get there at least closer.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
To it next season.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
All right, college basketball this week and you dub will
be at USC and man, this is always a scary proposition.
Put down your sphere, But I'm fighting the Trophans oh today,
but I'm ready.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
You taught me on a fight.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
You're a good students.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
You're not a moment in yet. That's right. Not today, tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, you gotta wait, Yeah, brabb your spirit tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Yeah, it's not today. We're not playing them today.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yeah, don't do it today. You're gonna be early, and
nobody wants an early bird.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
That's the point Brad's making right there. It's like, you're
not playing today, playing tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
Yeah, we're just traveling today.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
You played UCLA to a bucket Wednesday night.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
But it's an oh to one start for the Dogs
in conference play. They'll be at USC tomorrow at three o'clock.
Number twenty four ranked USC off to an eight and
oh start this year, but they will be facing a
pair of former Trojans in Desmond Claude and Wesley Yates.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
The third.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
CBS Sports has described the start of this college basketball
season as the best ever.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
Oh that's a statement, that's dumb.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
But what they're trying to highlight is that if you're
just locked into the football world right now, and it's
hard not to be as a sports fan, there is
this freshman class Ashley in college basketball this year, which
is fantastic, and so there's some really good basketball being played.
There's some new stars that have emerged on the college

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basketball landscape, and so that's what they mean. So if
you're just waiting till the football season to end before
you watch any basketball, you might be doing yourself of
this service. The greatest season ever. No, it's not even possible.
Oilers last night took on the crack and the crack
and are certainly in a slump right now, but last night,

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I mean that was ridiculous. They couldn't stop Edmonton at all.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Now ETL high slotl shoot stocked away prebout savoy scorers.

Speaker 7 (43:49):
That is the.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Fourth power play goal for the Amlton Oilers, the second
of the night, for Matt Savoy nine.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Three at Loan Toll.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's great he is ever fits you on the call
it was edmundtone nine crack and four ended up being
the final score. They scored nine times.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
Niner nine times?

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Nine times?

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Did I catch a niner?

Speaker 7 (44:20):
In?

Speaker 4 (44:20):
There?

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Were you calling from.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Alwaukie Talkie Cracking are officially in their first slump of
the Laine Lambert era. They have lost four straight games.
They have not scored a power play goal in any
of the four games, and last night they allowed nine
goals to Connor McDavid and company.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Yeah, get out of it.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Their next chance to get out of it is against
Detroit tomorrow night at home seven o'clock. They will drop
the puck and finally, man, it's not just football and
basketball and hockey this week, and ride baseball's back into
our lives.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Wait, hey, are you listening? Woo in the lane?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
S Oh, you're on the night beautiful sight were happy
to anyone walk in the winter? Oh.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
Winter.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Meetings start on Sunday and into early next week. This
used to be a playground for all sorts of MLB trades.
It really hasn't been recently, and that is annoying. But
I don't really. I mean free agency last all off season,
and because of Scott Boris sometimes into the regular season.

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But this is where all the general managers in baseball
have decided volunteered, volunteered to go to one warm location,
to hang out in the same hotel, eat at the
same restaurants, drink the same Scotch, smoke the same cigars,
and talk trades. So if there's gonna be a Mariner
trade this offseason, maybe this is the the playground for that.

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We shall see. We're going to talk next about the stove.
That's right, Mariner's second base position. What are we going
to end.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Up with at the end of the offseason.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
We'll discuss it next here on Chuck and Box Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, Booz News. To wrap
it up, Mike Holmgren at nine thirty and X's and
O's with our QB one Hugh Mellan starts it off
this nine o'clock hour.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Good morning, sir, Good morning, how are you. We're doing great?
We're doing great.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
We got a lot of great football to watch this
We're doing oh my goodness, Saturday and Sunday or fantastic
even tonight's nights. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, crack out the popcorn.
I asked this of Greg earlier in the hour in
the show. But I'm curious your thoughts. I mean, Julian
Love is coming back to this team, and Nick emn

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War he still seems to be like evolving into something
that we haven't even seen the finished product with DeMarcus
Lawrence seems to be reborn. Ernest Jones seems to be
the perfect fit. I mean, how much better can this
defense actually get than it already is?

Speaker 4 (47:05):
It's so fun to watch.

Speaker 7 (47:06):
You know.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
A year ago, there was one depressing Monday morning quarterback
that I had. It was after the Bills, and we said, well,
you know, if we believe in Mike McDonald, let's see
how he turns this thing around, because they had really
struggled against the Bills defensively. And I'm not going to
go into the details of that. That was a year ago.
But then the second time was the against Tampa Bay. Obviously,

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since that was Week five. Since Week five, there's been
seven games. The Seahawks are number one in a stat
that I always thought was the most indicative about the
defense points allowed per drive, because that really just defines
what the defense has to do. Right, They're number one
in the NFL in points per drive. Well, I let

(47:49):
the evidence lead me, and I've run correlation statistics in
this new stuff. We're hearing about EPA expected points average, Well,
it added rather play and per game. Well, that has
a slightly higher correlation to winning. So I'm a convert,
so you're gonna hear more. I'm sure you've been hearing
about EPA Seahawks since Week six and beyond those last

(48:14):
seven games. They're number one in the NFL in defensive
EPA per play, number one in defensive EPA per game.
And I'll put it into historical context. The if you
take over the last seven games, the EPA per play,
and you take the Legion of Boom their four best years,

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the four years that they were number one in the
NFL in fewest points allowed in each season. If you
then say in each of those years twenty twelve, thirteen,
fourteen to fifteen, after after seven games of each of
those seasons, you say, well, we have a seven games,
and then each subsequent week we could we could look

(48:57):
back at our most recent seven games. Does that make sense?

Speaker 7 (48:59):
So? Right?

Speaker 4 (49:00):
So in each year there would be ten games out
of this out of the sixteen where you could say,
how have we done in the last seven games? That
makes sense. So there are times four four years that's
forty different games where on a Sunday night we could say, hey,
how have we been doing over our last seven games?

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The very best EPA over a seven game period was
at the last game of the twenty thirteen and the
Seahawks this year, their last seven is better than any
seven game stretch that the lob ever had. The game
against the Vikings was the number one EPA defensively obviously

(49:45):
for this year, that was higher than any EPA game
that the Lob ever had. The best the lob had
was Week fourteen against the Cardinals in a fifty eight
to nothing win a quarterback named John Skelton. So well,
you might decry, Well, this was against a Viking rooky quarterback.
Guess what the LB played against lousy quarterbacks as well?

(50:05):
And then for the season this is now let's throw
out just since the Week five, this is the entire
season the lob average over four years, each game they
were at point zero ninety nine uh e p A.
The Seahawks defense this year point one two one about better.

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So what you are seeing is is really uh in
some ways in the in the numbers that I framed,
are you know, a historically great defense, and.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
That's not diminishing the lob that is like, this is
the highest level you can reach as a defense, and
and this team is matching the best that the one
of the best defenses of Ice. Ice tell you that
they're doing it, and the numbers say it to unreal,
unrel Eamon Or he's also unreal. And the versatility that

(51:04):
he's shown is something that we were expecting in training camp,
but I didn't expect him to be this good this soon.
And yet they might add another element to his game.
He lined up, I guess at defensive end for a
few games against the Vikings, and it's something that they
might be doing more frequently in the future.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
What's your take on that? Well, you know, I when
I heard that, I'm like, wait a minute, that I've
studied the tape, I don't recall that I would have
recalled that. Certainly, he'd lined up as an outside linebacker
numerous occasions. The Seahawks played a lot of snaps where
they're up six or seven guys on the line of scrimmage,

(51:44):
and he was one of the six or seven. But
just in terms of an end, you know, with the
hand in the ground, there was times where he was
kind of crouched over and looks like, you know, he's
just been over at the waist and from a distance
maybe you thought he had his hand on the ground.
I'll just issue this challenge there there. I don't believe
that there there is no play in that game in

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the Vikings where he was, ever what offenses would describe
as the opponent defensive end outside linebacker. Yes, in an underfront.
If you take any high school coaches who's driving around
when I say on an underfront that the SAM backer
is on the line of scrimmage, well that doesn't make
him a defensive end. He's still the SAM backer. And
other fronts that I'm not going to get into.

Speaker 7 (52:25):
But.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
I'll issue this. Anybody who can produce a picture with
Nick eymn Worry with his hand in the ground as
the defensive end against the Vikings, I'll buy you a
steak dinner at the met So it didn't happen. So
now that doesn't mean that doesn't take away anything from
his versatility. But I just in the instance. In the

(52:49):
interests of accuracy, we haven't quite got there. Outside linebacker. Yes,
he's a nickel Sam, but not a hand in the
ground defensive end, not yet. There's an difference between edge
rusher and defensive end.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
It's just different. You know, you can be an edgecate
without being a defensive end.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Yeah, I mean they they played, they've played a thirty
front on a few occasions of what's called an odd
a three four where you know he's an outside linebacker
and you know, the nose tackle was shaded, uh a
little bit, but you could still say that was a
three to four front, but an odd front. But but
no defensive end. I'm like, huh in I would have

(53:27):
remembered that. So so I think we might be getting
close to that. Haven't seen it yet. Yeah, Well, he's
a special player.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Maybe not Howie Long, but he is a uh he's
looking to be a really special player. I mean, can
you believe how good he is this early in his career.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Well, did you see the video of him walking with
uh oh, some of the other safeties, but but he
just towers over everybody. Yeah, and he's just such a
beautiful athlete in space. He moves his hips. He just
his movement, his acceleration. Uh, you know he can you
know you see him covering tight ends. We talked yesterday

(54:03):
about how you know, and in Man and Man's seahawks
broke the huddle a little bit earlier. Uh, even Worry
just said, Okay, I'm gonna be on the left. Whoever
comes at me. Well, the guy in the slot happened
to be Justin Jefferson as well. We called man a man.
Everybody just nobody seemed to I look back, is there
any like hand signals? Are they trying to get out
of this coverage? Nope, just gonna cover him. Covered it,

(54:24):
gloved him up in what's called cover one man and man. Now,
the one thing I would say, have not seen that
that violent striking that we saw from Uh from Bam
Bam and uh and Cam Chancer. So I there there.
He hasn't converted his athleticism to to violence. But but

(54:48):
the fluidity, the instincts are coming in the ability to cut,
you know, cover, have the length to cover tight ends,
the athleticism to cover the big receivers, you know, mediums,
receivers like Justin Jefferson. He's covered guys in the slot.
So yeah, he's a fun player to watch.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Hugh Millan is with us x's and o's every Friday
at nine o'clock, brought to you by Frost Brewed Corps Light.
The mountains turned blue at forty two degrees. So, I mean,
this Atlanta team, they've been bad this year. They're probably
their worst right now. They have a sensational player in
Bijon Robinson, but it's hard for me to believe that
one sensational player, considering all the injuries that they've had

(55:26):
this year, is going to be a match for Mike
McDonald's defense here.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Yeah, I think, particularly in the absence of Drake London,
I think that they're they're missing some firepower. But you know, look,
I think it's very interesting to watch Bijon Robinson because
what you're going to see is the outside zone we
talked about yesterday. He has one hundred and fifteen outside
zone runs. The next closest guy is eighty has eighty six,

(55:55):
and last year he had one hundred and seventy. The
next closest guy was one hundred and four, and you
know his yards after contact on these plays. The Falcons
as a team are number three in the NFL. So
see how's got to tackle they While Seattle is called
run play percentage, the Seahawks are first. The Falcons want

(56:15):
to run it two. There's seventh in that category. But
here here's something just interesting. The pistol formation with the
quarterback and in shotgun but a little bit closer in
four yards instead of five, and then Bjon Robinson behind.
Let me give you an example of the average for
the NFL is four pistol plays per game, actually three

(56:36):
point seven. The second closest is the Commanders with eleven
snaps a game. The Falcons are first with twenty seven.
So Bjon Robinson, he's gonna run that stra This is
just kind of this is actually no segment right defensively,
as you're preparing, you're saying Bjon Robinson's gonna line up
right behind the quarterback who's in a you know, a

(56:58):
short shotgun. And then what happens is obviously he can
go stretch weak or he can go stretch wrong, stretch left,
stretch right, and and his ability, the way he's taught
is is you're gonna make a re read the the
outside blocker, whether it's a tight end or whether it's
an offensive tackle. If he can hook that outside defender,

(57:19):
then Jon Robinson has the explosiveness to get outside. Why
but if the outside, the tight end or the offensive
tackle cannot hook the outside defender, what's called the E
M l O S the nd man on the line
of scrimmage. If he cannot hook him, Robinson will read
that and he will continue to read from outside in
the next defender whether to go break in or out.

(57:41):
He's going to make his decision on his third step.
He will make his cut on the fifth step. That
standard just Terrell Davis type stuff. I've studied the tape
with Robinson. Every time when he makes a cut, it's
on his fifth step, and he's very decisive. He has
a great vision on that. That's the challenge for Seattle,
and I spend a little extra time on on the

(58:02):
outside zone because we talked so much about it with
Clint Kubiak. Clint Kubiak is probably just salivating saying this
is what I want to be, not necessarily out of pistol,
but the Falcons and Bjon Robinson, they're prowessing that outside
zone is somewhat what Clint Kubiak would would probably like
to see. So so maybe you're gonna be watching a

(58:23):
little bit of future Seahawks when you watch Robinson run
this outside zone.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Is there anybody else? I mean, without London and without Pennix?
Is there anybody else that worries you on the Atlanta
side of the ball that could give us trouble on Sunday?

Speaker 5 (58:37):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Elijah Pitts, Kyle or Kyle Pitts' right?

Speaker 7 (58:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Was there Elijah Pitts somewhere along the line?

Speaker 7 (58:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Yeah, I think there was a defensive lineman back. Lie
and just lie and nod your head if you can't
really remember. Okay, so pit but Pitts the tight end.
You know, they've had trouble.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
With tight ends, you know, athletic guide, probably a little
bit of underachiever. But yeah, he can he can run.

Speaker 7 (58:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Somebody said long ago you can put two tight ends
into two categories. Those who can run down the middle
of a cover two in those who can't. He has
the athleticism and the speed size to get down the middle,
and so I think that there's a threat there. But
without London, you know, I think everybody else is just
kind of pedestrian. I wanted to ask.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
You about this before we get off of the topic
of Michael Pennix. He recently said and Raheem Morris that
it got overblown and it was nonsense, and he's got
plenty of support. But for Michael PENNOCKX Junior, in his
first full year as a starter, second year in the
National Football League, to cry out that he doesn't really

(59:37):
have anybody to talk to when he comes off of
the field about the offense, what was your reaction to
that comment?

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Well, there's always in those things, I say, Okay, I
put it into two categories, what's the truth or veracity
of it, what have you? What's the impact of it?
And then separate from that should if he said it publicly,
that's always my respet. So to the first question, I'm surprised.
I'm sure that there's somebody on that staff who is

(01:00:06):
on you know, on his business titles, says, you know,
talk to the quarterback. So that's odd, but it is Uh. Look,
if he if he feels that he doesn't have anybody
to talk to and he's saying that with any sense
of regret, the Falcons have to fix that right Like
he's there, he's their franchise quarterback, and so that's a

(01:00:31):
even the fact that he might think that Michael Pinnix
is not some diva quarterback. He is a quality dude.
I've had conversations with him. I was at a you know,
he flew up from Atlanta to the spring game, the
Washington Spring game, and I was asked it was it
was a former Husky quarterback event, kind of a charity thing,

(01:00:52):
and and and so I was asked to be there,
and I had long conversations with not not real long,
but I had a nice conversation with him because I
used to play for the Falcons, and he asked me
a lot of questions and and and I've had a
number of conversations. I couldn't be he couldn't be more
delightful in my opinion. So so I just don't think
that guy has the wiring we know him from watching

(01:01:14):
the Huskies. Uh, he doesn't have the type of wiring
to be you know, you know, you know, stirring up
stuff that that isn't there. You know, I will add,
you know, with this mcl when in talking to him,
I and that's not the first time I have when
I talked to him. I feel like he's kind of small,
he's kind of you know, he's kind of slight. I mean,

(01:01:35):
I think they listen at six three. I think he's
more like six two. But I just I don't There's
not a huge frame there, and so he's been injury
prone in the past. And and there is a correlation
to size and U and durability. Who's the biggest quarterback
in the league, Josh Allen? Who's the most durable quarterback
in the league? Does Josh Allen? Not to say there's

(01:01:58):
one hundred percent correlation for you, but but there is
a correlation there. And I'm concerned for him in that
regard because he's had He's had those a cls. Now
this is the opposite, but he had he had a
couple of acls in college. Now he's had in this
ACL on the next you know, I'm worried about his
frame and his durability.

Speaker 7 (01:02:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Well, I think the other topic is the offense, and
I think that he's going to have an offensive head
coach next year. I would be stunned if the Atlanta
Falcons don'ts surround him and be Jon Robinson with more
of an offensive minded head coach this offseason. All Right,
speaking of offense, the last couple of minutes of our
segment x IS and O segment with Hugh. How do

(01:02:37):
you see the matchup between Sam and the Gang versus
the Atlanta Falcons.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Well, I think it's a good test because they from
a scheme standpoint, they do some of this, there's some
similarities with what the Vikings did, and there's some all
the things that Seattle need to clean up. They're gonna
have somewhat of a test this Sunday that the Falcons

(01:03:02):
the opponent percent of past attempts resulting in sacks. I'm
reading from the NFL stat portal. Uh, the Falcons are
third last week the percentage of defensive plays from the
three to four. The Vikings were number one. Well, the
Falcons are six in that regard the percentative of plays

(01:03:22):
where the defense brings five plus rushers. Okay, remember the
rushing problems that we saw against the Vikings. Well, the
Falcons are second in the NFL in that regard. So
they're they're gonna and they're fourth in the use of
six rushers. But now here's the difference. The Falcons don't
like to bring a defensive back when they rush, it's

(01:03:43):
from their front seven, you know. In in this Zexas
knows it. A lot of teams use the term blitz
to describe a general blitz a dog to describe a
specifically a linebacker like a dog is not a dB blitzing.
And so when you talk when we talk about this

(01:04:04):
percentage of five plus rushers being second in the NFL,
but they're twenty sixth in the NFL in use of
a dB rushing, that means all of their pressures are
coming from dogs, not secondary blitz. Got me. And so,
but the percentage of plays that that result in negative

(01:04:26):
play for negative EPA for the offense on these blitzes,
the Falcons are tied with the Seattle Seahawks. They are
both number one in the NFL. Let me repeat that again,
the percentage of plays when when you do bring a
dB that rushing that result in a negative EPA for
the offense. And I just read off the NFL stat

(01:04:48):
Seax and Falcons are tied. They're both at sixty seven percent.
So there's going to be some blitzing. Seattle's got to
have have done their walkthroughs, their meeting time to to
sort out their rules, how they're going to direct the center,
they're going to send the running back in the center
to the same side. Well, if they do that, then
they may be vulnerable to a three week but they

(01:05:09):
may be able to pick up what are obvious blitz
whatever their plan is. They we have seen really big
one week changes on the defensive side of the ball.
I referenced the Bills from a year ago. I referenced
the Buccaneers from this year and by the way, but
the defensive collapse against the Buccaneers was worse than any
defense any game the Lob ever had. But getting back

(01:05:33):
to us the coaching, so we've seen the change from
the coaching on the defensive side. Now is a great
opportunity for Clint Kubiak. I know that he works in
conjunction with Mike McDonald, Like, hey, what makes sound sense
because McDonald has this wonderful genius way of looking at defense.

(01:05:54):
So they've collaborated. Let's see what they do from a
plan standpoint to handle a defense that has some similarities
to Falcons with what we saw last week the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Awesome stuff, man, Thank you very much. Enjoy all the
football and we'll do this.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
I yes, yeah, you bet, it's going to be with
you all right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
There is our QB one, Hugh Millan breaks it down
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Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Oh every Friday, the chance to chat with the great
Mike Holmgrin right here on the program. And once again,
no Bucky here today, so coach can finally just be
himself here today.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Doesn't have to worry about that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
I'm so relaxed. It's so good, well.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Great to have you with us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
I want I want to ask you about ball security
with a quarterback, because on one hand, the ratio of
Sam getting hit and coughing up the ball is way
too high. On the other hand, man, obviously quarterbacks have
to approach. I mean, they they can't tuck the ball
under their arm like a running back and it doesn't

(01:07:43):
look like anything if there's anything that he's doing wrong
other than the fact that the stats say you're fumbling
when you get hit too frequently.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
So how do you fix that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
How would you go about fixing that in a quarterback
to try to try to curb that in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Yeah, Well, actually, when you when you study it and
look at the film and stuff, you have to make
sure that you're being everyone's being honest about what's happening.
I mean, is it his fault? It could it have
been avoided by doing something else? Sometimes yes, sometimes no,
it's it's just going to happen. But having said that,
if it's an issue and it's happening too much, then

(01:08:21):
there are drills that you do at practice and maybe
after practice or before practice whatever, where you have guys
with bags on either side of the quarterback when he's
dropping back and then as he steps up, you're punching
him with the with the bags and trying to knock
the ball out, so he gets the feel of what
that's like and what he has to do to hold

(01:08:42):
onto the football. Other than that, Other than that, I
don't have an answer for you. But you can do
drills that that kind of get him, get him feeling
properly about putting the ball away.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
And he also has the interceptions more than you'd like
to see from him at the point of the year.
And yet I don't want to change the aggression by
which Sam Donold's play in the position. He looks like
a confident gun slinging quarterback. That's almost all the time's
throwing the right spot. So is that anything that has

(01:09:17):
you concerned or would your marching orders just be be you,
just be you?

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Well again, you analyze the throws and if the judgment
is very poor and when he does it, then you've
got to fix that. You absolutely have to talk about
it and fix it. I think most of the people
are reacting Chuck to uh, you know, when we've talked
about it for a long time on the show. When
he threw the four interceptions, that's that's unusual. That doesn't

(01:09:46):
usually happen, So why did it happen? Fix that and
then move on. I honestly, I don't worry too much
about his play. I think they're very fortunate to Sea
Owks to have him right now as their quarterback. And
as he goes, that's what people, I think probably are thinking.
As he goes, so goes the team. Now we have

(01:10:07):
a great defense. But he has to play well, and
I think he will.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
You know, I doubt Jerry was ever held to two
catches in a game. Doesn't feel like he was. And
yet JSN having this historic season, just two catches at
a really difficult time getting him going last week? Is
this a special assignment of yours to make sure that
that does not happen again? And we suddenly end up
with a trend here?

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
I mean you're looking at excuse me, you're looking at
that game.

Speaker 7 (01:10:39):
Was he open?

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Did they make poor reads? Should they have thrown the
ball to him? If that wasn't the case, if the
decisions were good, he just was covered, then you got
to figure out new ways to motion him, get him open,
because if he if he played for me, I would
have on my sheet plays for him. Not every player

(01:11:02):
gets those Jerry Rice got them, Sterling Sharp got them.
You have a special player. You have to be ready
to dial up his number to get him touches. And yeah,
that's two catches for him. With the season he's having,
that's very very unusual. Now, maybe the pressure got so
much and they couldn't handle the Vikings early and then

(01:11:25):
they got the big lead, so they didn't throw it
as much. That factors into but you got to get
him his touches.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
You're not worried at all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
I've heard the phrase blueprint that maybe Brian Floores has
shown the league the blueprint for how to slow down
the Seattle Seahawks offense.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
Do you buy into that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Do you have any worry that maybe some of the
ways that this team was operating so successfully offensively that
halfway through the season, defensive coordinators have kind of figured
out what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
I don't think so. I don't think so. I think
in any particular game there might be reasons why the
numbers aren't what they should be. And Jinman did not
get his touches. They didn't throw many passes, not a
lot of yards. But that was one game. Generally speaking,
it hasn't been that way so give Brian Floyd's credit
and give the Vikings credit for what they did. They

(01:12:24):
have a very good pass rush. But no, I don't.
It's that's what coaching is. You know, someone you have
a game like that, and all of a sudden you
analyze and go, Okay, that's where we might have done
something a little different. Now we're going to do different.
So it changes from week to week. I don't think
anyone can draw up a blueprints how to stop this team.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Mike Homeran is with us for his normal nine to
thirty segment every Friday here on a football Friday. Kirk
Cousins is at a heck of a career. He does
not look like he still has it. And yet what
concerns should you have over a guy with that much experience,
that kind of guile, that kind of leadership that he's
shown over his career. Does a Kirk Cousins worry you

(01:13:10):
at all? Going into this game?

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
You know what, Chuck, I was thinking, excuse me, that
having him play could be a really good thing for Atlanta,
you know, because of the things you mentioned. Now he's
not the same player he was five six years ago,
but he is a veteran he knows how to play
the game, he knows when to deliver the ball, and
they've got a great running attack. So it's not all

(01:13:34):
on his shoulders. But you know, in some respects, having
a veteran quarterback come in understanding the Seahawks defense maybe
perhaps a little bit better than a young quarterback would,
even as guy is talented. His penix, you know, might
be a benefit to Atlanta. So I was thinking that
the Seahawks have to go in there and they've got
to play a really good, solid football game again, because

(01:13:58):
I think Cousins is going to play well.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
Yeah at B John Robinson, he's special.

Speaker 7 (01:14:03):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
If you'd have had him, how many catches would you
have gotten him in a season, not just carrying the ball,
but catching the ball. He's excellent at it. I mean
you didn't You and Bill Watsh pretty much invent throwing
the ball the running.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
Backs out of the backfield.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
But you know, how would you have used a weapon
like this guy?

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Well, I would. I would give Bill credit. I wouldn't
take the credit for that. But you know, the West
Coast offense, that's what it was. You know, they went
through a stretch the forty nine ers before I got
there where you know, they're running game. They just couldn't
get it going, and so they substituted at a number

(01:14:41):
of runs for six yard throws and it worked for
him and that became the West Coast offense. And yeah,
if you got a back. Roger Craig's up for the
Hall of Fame this year, and he could catch the
ball and do all those things, and that's really real
a positive thing for your offense. So yeah, that's another

(01:15:03):
reason why this game, this game, I don't think it's
going to be anything like the Minnesota game as far
as the offense is concerned. But the Seahawks have to
bring it on defense.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
And you got all the holiday stuff up. That's all
been done now, right, correct?

Speaker 7 (01:15:20):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
We did the Christmas tree looks beautiful. Kathy dex Ray
decorates to the rest of the house, and we did
it appropriately when the time was right. You know, you
have Thanksgiving, then you do it, okay, And I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna do all on that too much
because I think my my plea falls on deaf ears.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Are you one of the types that has to be
told by Kathy Hey? The candy canes are for decoration.
Stop taking them off the tree and eating them.

Speaker 7 (01:15:48):
Are you? Are you one of those tacks I used
to be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
I'm better now, you know, but I learned my lesson.
How many times can you get spanked on the hand,
you know, for doing.

Speaker 7 (01:15:57):
Something like that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Just leave him up, all right, coach. We'll enjoy the
weekend and we'll talk to you on Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
All right, Chuck, Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
All right.

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