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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Daily Mariner segment. And when I say daily, we have
done it every day since the start of the Major
League Baseball season. It's a segment where we allow the
alphabet to guide us through various Mariner topics. We never
know where the alphabet is going to lead us, and
it doesn't necessarily have to be the headlines either that
we go to. And so where do we go here?
On this day two day shy of the Divisional round

(00:22):
of the Major League Baseball Playoffs, where the Mariners will
be hosting either the Guardians or Tigers on Saturday, B
is where we left off. We only got one letter
in yesterday. B is for bullpen, and this time of
the year, many experts will tell you this is where
the having a great bullpen really gets heightened. And I've
seen teams win the World Series because of their bullpen.

(00:45):
The Kansas City Royals come to mind, when they had
the Big three at the back of their bullpen, Herrera,
Davis and Holland. Many people say that's the reason they
won the World Series. So bullpen really comes in handy
this time of the year. The Mariners finished the season
with the ninth best ERA out of their bullpen, but
I think that they finished the season stronger than that,

(01:07):
feeling better about that. I think that top ten suggests
that's a pretty good bullpen, that bullpen is doing its job.
But I think we finished pretty strong. I think that
we actually have a top seven, top five bullpen.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
In Major League Baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, I mean it feels you feel real good about
the back of it. You know, even though each one
of them had their hiccups. Munnos has blown you know,
a few saves, and Brash has had his issues at times.
But I think for the most part, you feel good.
You got to feel good if you can, you know,
have a couple run lead going into the eighth inning,
you got to feel good about that. And then to me,

(01:46):
you have you have a three or four guys that
have at different points in times, been absolutely dominant.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
A Bizarredo has been good majority of the year. Carlos
Vargas not necessarily so much the last little bit of
the season, but he for the first two thirds of
the season was one of your more consistent guys out
of the bullpen. Gabe's been pretty much lights out the
entire season. So yeah, I feel good about the bullpen,
and yet it still is such a vo little thing
that you don't know if you're going to have that

(02:15):
bullpen that carries you all the way like we do,
tend to see whoever the World Series champion is their
bullpen didn't have a crap postseason.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, you are not going to win at all of
it they do.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Dodgers is a great example. I don't think the Dodgers
had a great bullpen, but in the playoffs last year
they were phenomenal and probably the reason why they won
the World Series. Not show Hey, not Freddie Freeman, even
though Freddy was amazing. It was probably their bullpen, which
going into the playoffs last year you would say was
the weakness of their team, and yet it stepped up

(02:46):
at the right time. So bullpen is hugely important in
the postseason, and the only thing that we have as
a guide is just how well did the bullpen perform
during the regular season. Cleveland Guardians had the third best
in all of Major League base by the way, and
they're going to lean on it heavily in a five
game series if they make it to us in the
divisional round. But they are down in a manual class A.

(03:08):
Turns out the guy loves to gamble what do you
want me to tell you. Yeah, but they've got it.
That's a weapon for them. The Guardians bullpen is a
weapon for them. Meanwhile, Toronto's got the sixteenth best bullpen
in the regular season, the Tigers the seventeenth, and they're slumping.
It's one of the reasons why they tanked it at
the end of the year. Like Will vest is not

(03:29):
even pitching well and he's the only guy they trust
right now. And the New York Yankees have had bullpen
issues all year long. Even acquiring five of them at
the trading deadline has not necessarily fixed that. They had
the twenty third best bullpenn era during the regular season.
So we sit there at ninth. And it is important
because at this time of the year, you got a

(03:50):
starter that's going going strong, even if the pitch counts up,
you say keep going. But if you've got a starter
that you depend on that's struggling at all, you pull
him early. And if you've got a bullpen, you a
good deep bullpen like I believe the Mariners have, then
you feel confident in making that move. See is for

(04:11):
Cal and it's been the year of Cal. I mean,
I mean there have been other guys certainly that have
contributed strongly to this season, but it just feels like
Cal's had the golden touch, from getting the contract, to
getting off to the great start, to the All Star
Game appearance, the starter in the All Star Game, to
the home run Derby champion. I mean pretty much like

(04:32):
Cal's like if he wished it, it came true this year.
But make no mistake about it, Buck, and you know
this better than anybody. It's all about for Cal Rawley
what happens from this point forward. I mean, this has
been a dream year for him and it will always
register as probably the best year of his entire life.
But if they don't get done as a team what

(04:54):
they are planning to get done, cal rale, He's not
gonna look at this year as a success.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
That's just yeah, and that's the way that it should be.
I mean, you can have your own personal accolades, and
that's something that you get to have forever. You know,
your own the home run Derby trophy. He doesn't have
to share that with a team. But the idea of
those all fall flat to some degree. If you you know,
you go out here and just lay an egg in
the Division Series and just don't even show up and

(05:22):
don't even perform. Then all of a sudden, it's like
you look at it and there's always the man, what
if we had have done better there? What if we'd
have finished that thing off the way that we want.
I don't think you have to win the World Series
for it to feel successful, but you've got advance past
this round. I would think for col I would think
anything less than getting to the World Series for the

(05:42):
first time, he would feel like is less then, and
it will diminish how great this season's been, even though
you can't really take away from how great it's been
just on an individual level.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
And you never know how athletes is going to respond
to postseason baseball. I mean, we've seen guys thrive and
elevate this time the year. But Barry Bonds had a
hell of a time until he started juicing, and that
gave him apparently some confidence, but he had a hell
of a time being successful in the playoffs, and even

(06:11):
juice or not juice, that's still one of the best
players I've ever seen in my entire life, if not
the best player I've ever seen in my entire life.
Aaron Judge, I mean he's trying to get this monkey
off his back about what whether or not he's a
postseason performer. Alex Rodriguez man, he was terrible in the playoffs. So,
I mean, we got a little taste of cal a
couple of years ago, but this is a different cal Raley,

(06:34):
and this is a different feel. I mean, we're not
going in there as a wild card team playing on
the road. We're going in there as a division champ
with a bye, starting this playoffs in the second round
at home. And so, cal Raley, how do you perform
in this situation? It really does separate superstars from legends.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, I think that the idea of saying this guy
can't do it in the playoffs, I think that gets
thrown around too quickly. I think somebody could have a
really amazing season and then they go they go one
for twelve in their twelve postseason at bats, I'm like, well,
he had a crab.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
He's not very good in the postseason.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Like, okay, Now you get two three four postseasons in
a row and you scuffle like Clayton Kershaw did majority
of his postseason. It it taints what you've done during
the regular season.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
He dated it. He got it.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, and yet I think that I think there's something
about the way that you're wired that it makes you
a little bit more predisposed to like you want that feel,
you want the more pressure. And if there's one thing
we've watched about Cal, it's different. The postseason is different.
So I'm not gonna say it's guaranteed that he's going
to perform and put up crazy numbers. But if he doesn't,

(07:45):
it's not going to be because the moment's too big.
It's not gonna be because he's withering and wilting and
the pressure is too high. I can guarantee you he
loves that idea. He handled it coming up in Julio's
shadow to some extent, even Jared kelnick'show to some extent,
you were like the the other guy that came up,
the other young guy.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Just handled it like that's fine. Just watch.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
I don't have to be loud about it. I don't
have to come out and tell you how I lead.
I just show you how I lead. And then when
the moment called for him to, you know, go big,
dump or fly and put us in the playoffs, he
answered that bell. And then he basically has answered every
bell since then. Not that he doesn't have his moments
where he doesn't come through, but I just think he's
wired for the This is what I this is what

(08:29):
I'm meant to do. Is this situation. If you don't
think that when you're stand on deck. I mean I
would never sit there and say I don't want a
guy to hit a home run here because I want
an opportunity. But there's a part of me it's like
if he didn't hit a home run and I do
get an opportunity, it's like, oh, yes, I get my turn.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well there is uh you know, it's why you got
to admire Mike Trout. He's like, you're not gonna label
me in the postseason. I'm just not gonna make it.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Oh oh Trout, I'm sad, not really.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Like d is for dumpkins. Make sure that you get
out there and get your dumpkins in time for Calloween.
This year, the patches are probably already overrun.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah, and there was a rush at the grocery store yesterday,
so I got there just in time.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, dumpkin patches all over the Greater Pacific Northwest area.
A couple out in Woodenville, you know, take the kids
out there.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Okay, let them right on the hay. Pick out your
perfect dumpkins.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
We got a perfect fat dumpkin.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, cup hot cocoa.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh yeah, you gotta have some some cider, maybe some
warm cider that that goes with dumpkin picking. All right,
Coming up next on the program, we all are to
talk a little NFL. There's some really interesting stories going
on out there, and we're gonna have to cover them.
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Speaker 6 (09:47):
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Speaker 4 (10:01):
The two pitch it in the air and right back
by the wall.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Pause. He is done.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
One has gotten into these Cleveland gardens.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
He's the first pit splitter.

Speaker 8 (10:21):
The Cubs do not turn to the bullpen, and Mature.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Hits it up over the bullpen. Three nothing, San Diego
coming to Austin Wells. Hey, I's running the right.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Field, says in the third he's being waved.

Speaker 8 (10:37):
Eyton coming home.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
Here's the row, he.

Speaker 9 (10:41):
Said, two out spaces clear eight four Dodgers, the O
two line drive cot by Mookie Becks and that'll do it.
The Dodgers sweep the Reds to ZIP and they'll take
on the Phillies in the division series.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Oh, thanks to all the highlights from the Major League
Baseball playoffs yesterday. They're on ABC, ESPN. Was there any
Westwood One in there?

Speaker 10 (11:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (11:14):
ABC?

Speaker 10 (11:14):
And uh yes, yeah yeah all right?

Speaker 1 (11:18):
So yes, Major League Baseball. Did you notice that the
games are a little a little more intense because it
was October and not September from the day before?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh oh you noticed that months mattered?

Speaker 11 (11:31):
Yeah, like September baseball playoffs is awesome, but October come on,
big difference. Yeah, I didn't necessarily a lot more intense,
considerably more intense.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
And there was some pumpkin spice flavor.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Added to it. Really you did like smell it or
in case you licked the TV.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
No, not at all. It just happens just in your system. Okay, yes,
comes through. Uh huh okay. So wonderful stuff last night.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
All right.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
So one team has punched their ticket to the Divisional
round and the wild Card round. That is the Los
Angeles Dodgers did advance some of the Cincinnati Reds and
straight games two. Oh, so they move on to take
on the Philadelphia Phillies. That'll be a heck of a series.
The Cleveland Guardians, the game that we're most interested in,
did defeat the Detroit Tigers six to one, so they're

(12:18):
going to settle that game that series today at noon.
I'll get back to that in a moment. Padres won
over the Cubs three to nothing, so they even upt
their series, and the Yankees defeated the Red Sox last
night four to three. They will play tonight at five
o'clock to decide that series at Yankee Stadium. Yankees versus
Red Sox incredible. Padres and Hubs will play at two o'clock. Meanwhile,

(12:42):
the Guardians and Tigers will play today at noon, so
they're backing it up a little bit because they're only
three games to play as post four. So at three o'clock,
we will know the opponent for the Mariners in the
divisional round, which we'll start on Saturday. And who knows,
maybe we'll know ross decisions later on this evening once
we know the opponent, maybe we'll know who's going to

(13:04):
start game number one. Once we know the opponent, there
could be some critical announcements made by the Mariners later
this evening, but they don't have to make those decisions
until Friday. In the meantime, the Mariner's scrimmage. They had
a scrimmage yesterday at two o'clock. All went well. They're
gonna have another one today at five o'clock. Hopefully all
will go well. Of course, there's some other things going

(13:24):
on at five o'clock today, the Yankees Red Sox Series,
for example. Also Thursday Night Football, and it's an NFC
West affair. Tonight, the Los Angeles Rams will be hosting
Mac Jones and the San Francisco forty nine ers. Brock
Purdy is out with an injury, and so Mac Jones
will start against the Rams, who have gone from a
point and a half favorite to an eight and a

(13:47):
half point favorite this week. We'll talk to Mike Sando
about that later on at nine thirty today, we'll talk
to our own guys, Hugh Mellan and Greg Bell with
a twelve man round table starting at eight o'clock today,
So from eight to nine we'll break down Seahawks versus Buccaneers,
nicky men, wari all sorts of headlines there to discuss,
Baker Mayfield, you name it, and the Huskies will be

(14:07):
an action against the Maryland Terrapins this Saturday at twelve thirty.
Our own David Softy Maller now joins this.

Speaker 7 (14:15):
Hey, is it is it Saturday at one oh eight
or five thirty eight?

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yet it's not just yet?

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Not just yet. We'll let you know. We'll give you
a little heads up. I'll text youpt for.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
God, can we can we maybe do your boy a
favor over here? If we have the Yankees win this
series so that the Mariners can play at five thirty
eight on Saturday, I'll see what I can do. From
a selfish perspective. Yeah, I'm no Yankee fan, but I'd
love to see that game at five thirty eight. We
got a Husky Football game at twelve thirty and if
the Red Sox win, the Mariners play at one o'clock.

(14:48):
So just you tell me how many folks are watching
listening to Husky Football at one o'clock on Saturday if
the Mariners are playing at the same time the Dogs are.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
I hear it, I hear you, I hear you. I
mean then I think we match up better than the
Red Sox, thinking than the Yankees. Thinking about that later
down the road, But I'm not worried about either one.
I think that's something I can jump on board with.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah, sure, well I'm not.

Speaker 7 (15:11):
You know, it's really funny, and I kind of feel
like I should be worried about somebody. And I feel
like I'm getting kind of cocky if I'm sitting around saying, ah,
nobody scares me blah.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
But you know, nobody really scares me.

Speaker 7 (15:23):
I mean, I think that this is this is kind
of exactly what we thought was going to happen, maybe
more so in the AL West than the actual American League.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
That the freaking thing is wide open this year, man.

Speaker 7 (15:35):
I mean even and you guys remember this the year
the Mariners won one hundred and sixteen games, the A's
won one hundred and two, for God's sakes and finished
in second place in the division. So there's there's nobody
like that in the American League this year, man. So
I don't know, I just kind of feel like the
team that scares me the most is our team that
if they just can't get their act together and they've

(15:55):
taken too much time off and they're a little rusty
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
I don't know, the moment, I don't think the moment
should be a problem for them.

Speaker 7 (16:00):
They've got a ton of guys on this team that
have got playoff experience, but I just feel like if
they play their best baseball, nobody can stop us.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Well, I mean I think that they're confident and I don't. Yeah,
you do, especially at this time in the morning. Usually
when I listen to you in the afternoon. Doesn't sound
sexy at all.

Speaker 7 (16:19):
Right now, super, I'll start the show off at three
o'clock just like that for you.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Welcome to the five twenty.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Softy in Dick.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Well, yeah, whenever you announce your your the name of
your show, it does get me roused.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Any wow, Well, I mean.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
That's Bucky Jacobson.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
By the way, it is uncomfortable Lucky or not Jacobson
Softy in Dick every day, every day, three o'clock.

Speaker 7 (16:45):
By the way, every time I see Cutter and Buck
pop up on like social media, I think it says
Chuck and Buck. You guys have that same problem.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah I don't.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
But there's a movie name Chuck and Buck too.

Speaker 7 (16:56):
By the way, Yes, yes, you wear that very well,
very well, and you're not using like that movie poster
is like your official show like imagery.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Or because of what the movie is about.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, chucking Buck, That's what that movie is all about, Bucky, Yeah, Chuck.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
All right, So you giving the ball to on Saturday?

Speaker 7 (17:16):
Uh, geez, probably George Kirby, to be honest with you,
what I mean, Yeah, I just don't know if Brian
Wu was ready.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
I mean he's not. He's not pitching on Saturday or Sunday?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Right?

Speaker 7 (17:27):
Is that is that fair? Can we all agree on
that that they've made that pretty clear?

Speaker 4 (17:30):
It kind of feels that way that maybe Game.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Three he's today, Yeah, so he won't throw it.

Speaker 7 (17:35):
Well, it's either it's either George Kirby or Logan Gilbert.
I mean, I'm just looking up some numbers here, and
you know, look, I realize that some of this stuff
doesn't really matter because we don't really have a big
enough sample. But Logan Gilbert has made twenty starts in
his career, whereas he he's had six days off or more,
and he's got a two point four to three ERA. Uh,
George Kirby's got eighteen starts. Say he's got a three

(17:56):
eight seven. E. Ra Castillo's got forty three with a
three eighty three. Brian Wu six days or more fourteen,
his era is over five. Okay, So go back a
couple of years ago when he took eighteen days off
and he came back against the White Sox and was okay,
but he was on a pitch count, you know, sixty
five pitches, and I don't know. I mean, I just

(18:17):
I got a hard time fathoming the Mariners putting anybody
on a pitch count right now in the freaking playoffs,
especially in a five game series. But is it possible
that we can see Brian wu pitch Game three against
the Tigers or Guardians and actually be on a freaking
pitch count because he's taken two and a half weeks off.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Maybe because of injury. Yeah, maybe because of injury, But
I don't think anybody else will be I think he
saw that in this round. Like there, if Logan Gilbert.
Let's say he gets the start and he's sitting there
in the fifth inning and pitch efficiency hasn't been great,
and he's up over one hundred pitches, but he's dominating.
They're not getting hits off of him. They're not gonna
take him out because of his pitch count. As long
as he's dominating they'll they'll push him.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Well, you saw what yeah my Marono did last night.

Speaker 7 (19:00):
I mean, god, you know, thanks to taoscar Hernandez, the
guy had to bust his ass in the first sitting yesterday,
and I never would have thought he would have lasted
as long as he did. But what do you do
one and ten hundred and fifteen pitches last night for
the Dodgers? Whatever the hell that was?

Speaker 4 (19:12):
So?

Speaker 7 (19:12):
I mean, for me, it's either Logan Gilbert or George Kirby.
Probably Logan Gilbert. To be totally honest with you, now
that I kind of wiped the crud out of my
eyes and look at these numbers I got in front
of my face, I'd probably say, Logan Gilbert gets the
ball on Saturday. A fine in charge, You should be
in charge. We've all felt that, right for you guys.
He's getting the ball for you guys in Game one.
I got Logan.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, buddy, I'm giving it to Luis Castillo. I just
think he's been thrown well as of late. One of
the criticians I've had of him since he's been a
Mariner has been when I feel like he plays down pitches,
down those competition at times. But that's also because we've
seen him rise to the occasion and he's thrown really well.

(19:51):
Out of all of our starters, he's thrown the best
against these guys. Now Logan's thrown well against Cleveland as well.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
He's doing they've all.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
I'm not really going to be mad regardless of who
they put out there in Game one, to be.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Honest, Yeah, yeah, I mean you could.

Speaker 7 (20:04):
You can make an argument for probably any three of
those guys, Like who's got the best stuff, Probably Kirby,
who's pitching the best right now the last three or
four games. Probably Castillo, who's got a better history in
this situation, Probably the Logan Gilbert. I think, Chuck, you
just take Logan, I'll take Kirby for giggles, Bucky, you
take Luis Castillo, and the winner gets Ashley.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Okay, all right, get to take her home.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (20:28):
I thought it couldn't get more uncomfortable.

Speaker 7 (20:31):
Well it did, yes, exactly. Calloween, come on, what are
you thinking about Ashley and are doing up there in
Mill Creek? But that's not that we roll. We roll
in the deads. It's nothing, not the way Bucky rolls
in North Bend. And I don't know what the hell
Chuck's doing in Kirklan. We're not doing those types of things.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
You.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
I'm just guys, honestly, I am just so fricking jacked
up for Saturday and Sunday, and really, again from a
selfish perspective, hoping this thing is. Is it late a
later start Saturday so I can get my ass down there.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
I'm already panicking. I'm already in a sweat.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
I'm already flipping out with anxiety, trying to figure out
how I'm gonna get from Queen Anne Hill because we're
doing the show from Tom's watch bar for the Maryland
post game show on Saturday, all the way down to
Soto Wen time for a five thirty eight first pitch
on Saturday night.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
And then I'm already panicking thinking.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
How was a fifty two year old man because the
last time I saw a Marina playoff game, by the way,
I was twenty seven years old. Because I was not
at that Houston game because I was working a Husky
game that day against Arizona. But I was a fifty
two year old man going to handle three hours of
Seahawk football everything that comes along with that pregame intermission
between the Seahawks and the MS and then get my
ass over to T Mobile Park for a playoff game

(21:46):
on Sunday night. On paper, it sounds like a phenomenal idea,
but here's me in about the fourth inning of Sunday
night's game.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah, and what I'm talking about it would take.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Down a normal man. You are not a normal man.

Speaker 8 (22:02):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Amphetamines. You're gonna be riding.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
High of a major league playoff?

Speaker 10 (22:09):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (22:10):
What should I be taking with me? Lucky Sunday night.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
They're gonna have to put a Hannibal Lecter mask on you.

Speaker 11 (22:16):
You're gonna be so fired up Saturday night sitting there
and see, God, you don't have to worry about that.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Now you're gonna crash after afterwards. It's gonna be a
great night's sleep for you come Sunday night.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
But h yeah, you're not believable.

Speaker 10 (22:29):
Man.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
What a day? What a day Sunday is going to be?
You cannot wait?

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Uh, Softie is with us every Thursday we talk Huskies football,
but obviously we got other things on our mind as
well on this Thursday. But let's do talk a little
Huskies of football.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Here.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
A few days removed from losing by eighteen points to
the number one ranked team in America. Are you upset
about it? Are you accepting of it? Where are you
at right now?

Speaker 7 (22:53):
With all I don't think any team that's got Denzel Boston,
Jonah Coleman, and DeMont William should ever be accepting scoring
six points against anybody. I don't care who you're playing,
right I mean, look, I get it, Ohio State's awesome.
You know, they got a couple of defensive linemen that
Washington could just not handle at all. That that linebacker
they've got what's at number seven, number eight? I forget now,
the kid that ran down Tomond on that third down

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play when he was scrambling out to his left.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
That guy is a freak. I mean, they've got players
on that team.

Speaker 7 (23:19):
You know, Dick and I were talking, I'm not sure
if there's a Husky starter on defense that would start
for Ohio State on their defense, honestly. I mean, we
can talk about Price socking Davis when those guys are healthy, maybe,
but those guys are really freaking good man.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
So that's number one.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
But again, I mean, you know we've been touting at
least a lot of us are is maybe the one
of the best, if not the best trios of skill
players in the Big Ten. So I don't think anybody
can be satisfied with scoring six points. I don't care
who you're playing for crying out loud, but you know,
how do I feel about the Ohio State game? Asked
me in a month? Right, ask me after Maryland, asked
me after Rutgers. And if the if the offense struggles

(23:54):
against those two teams, then obviously you're not You're not
happy at all. But if they just blow it up
and you know, on Illinois and Michigan and Wisconsin later on,
and score a bunch of points, then maybe in November
late October, we can look back at the Ohio State
game and say, Okay, that was an anomaly. They just
played a phenomenal defense that might be the best defense
in the country. They learned from it, and they moved on.
But I do think that there is reason for Husky

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fans to wonder how good is this offense. I mean,
they were scoring fifty points a game, but they're playing
nobody in the first three games of the year, right,
I mean, even the biggest Husky Hanks like me, you
have got to admit that that CSU, the Aggies of
UC Davis, Wa Zoo. I mean, those are high school
teams in a lot of ways. You know, no disrespect
to Washington State, they were the best team they played
among those three, but iiO State, the Big Ten is

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a totally different kind of meats. So I don't know, man,
I'm just I'm just sitting the here going into Week five,
just kind of really curious as to how good this
offense truly is.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, well, iould think that even going into it, considering
who you played in the first three, that there had
to be some sort of tempered expectation. That doesn't mean
you would then do like, okay, six points. That's fine
because that's the number one team. And so what do
you expecting this week? They got to go on the road.
They got a road win if you want to call it.
That a going to Wazoo. That's the first one in

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the Jetfish era. But this is one where you're getting
that Big ten travel in. So what are you expecting
about them bouncing back?

Speaker 7 (25:13):
Can I just admit something to you guys real quick here? Yeah,
please remember the SNL scene with Chris Farley where he's
dreaming about sausages.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, just sausage sausage.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
As Bucky is talking there asking questions about the husky
is I'm just thinking Mariners Game one.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
How many heart attacks are you going to have watching
the Mariners on Saturday.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
Well, you guys know where I've been the last two days,
don't you. No, you guys have any idea what I
did the last time of Oh yeah I do now
now I feel so the odds of that, hopefully it
dropped a little bit. Oh gosh, I mean to bring
that into the e commerce. Oh, it's all good. It's
why I planned it, now, are you kidding me? Before
first pitch on Saturday, I want to make sure that

(25:57):
the pipes are open and the blood's flowing properly and
all that stuff. So yeah, I mean hopefully I got
a you know, doctor Mooney or whatever, Doctor Ralston hopefully
did their freaking job and we're not having a smoke
break when I was getting this thing put in. But
I would hope the odds of that have following for
the game on Saturday. But Bucky, back to your question
about the road games. I mean, look, they haven't won

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a conference road games since Oregon State in twenty twenty
three in November, so it's been almost two years since
they've won a game against a conference team on the road. Now,
that was a Pac twelve team. This is a Big
Ten team, and you know, this is one of five teams.
I know there's been some talk about this.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
I think it's a.

Speaker 7 (26:33):
Little bit unfair because there was an article that John
Wilner wrote about the Big Ten inequities in the schedule,
and Awful Announcing picked it up and they quoted. You know,
there was one line from John's article about Washington, but
a lot of it was about USC and UCLA. Because
the bitching and the moaning about the Big Ten travel
is mostly coming from LA To be totally honest with you,
it's mostly coming from Lincoln Rightley and Mitt Cronin with

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the UCLA basketball team.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
I haven't heard.

Speaker 7 (26:57):
Anybody at you dub, including Jetfish, bitch, you moan, wine,
you piss and moan about the schedule at all when
really they've got maybe the biggest right to and it's
not the travel. This is one of five teams that
we play coming off a by Ohio State, Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois,
and Wisconsin, and you gotta fly out there so I
don't know what to make of this game. I mean,

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I'm a little bit surprised that Washington's as big a
favorite as they are there. They're giving almost a touchdown
on the road. This Malik Washington kid, the quarterback, he's
a true freshman, Bucky. He's eighteen years old and he's
six five, two thirty. I mean he is a beast
for an eighteen year old kid. So I don't know
how good this guy is either because they haven't played anybody.
I mean, they've played FIU or excuse me, fau NIU

(27:40):
and Towson State and Wisconsin who's terrible. So we're gonna
find out a lot about both these teams on Friday night.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
You'll find out today when you talk to coach new Heisler.
He put a lot of respect on that Maryland name. Yes, early,
Yes he did.

Speaker 7 (27:52):
And we're gonna talk to Rick new Heisler about the
brand new offensive coordinator and play caller at UCLA.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Did you hear about that? Is that his son, his
son Jerry? Oh look at that?

Speaker 8 (28:01):
Look at that.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Now calling plays?

Speaker 1 (28:05):
He just go back and be the u c l
A head coach for good.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
I mean he would do it. I know you would
do it. I mean, that thing is a train wreck
down there, man. I mean, out of all the teams
that entered the Big Ten from the Pac twelve, I
think they are the.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Most hosed, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 7 (28:18):
I think they are the most screwed of all the
teams that entered that conference because their fans just do
not give a damn honestly. I mean they're they're fans
down there might be doing the same thing I'm doing
right now and just thinking Mariners news.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I know, sus she is big.

Speaker 7 (28:41):
This is a big one on Friday night or Saturday guys.
Sorry for you, Dub, because I think they got they
got four games left to go that should be automatic wins. Rutgers, Perdue, Ucla,
and Wisconsin are all terrible football teams, and you, Dub,
if they're even close to legitimate, should win them all.
That's seven games, right, seven wins right there?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (28:58):
And then the other four Maryland, Missing, Illinois, Oregon. Do
you win one and you're an eight and four team?
Do you win two and you're a nine win team?
I mean this is those four games should be w's
and this is one of the remaining four that to
me are kind of close to toss ups.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
All right, plug something before we let you go five
twenty bar and grill today, Mike Comgrin, Rick new Heisl
before Thursday night football?

Speaker 4 (29:20):
What is it? Rams and Niners without Purty?

Speaker 7 (29:22):
Is that right tonight at at five point fifteen, So
sneaking in as much Mariner love as we can. We'll
be at Jimmy's tomorrow. I think we're doing a big
old round table. I know you guys are fired up
for that tomorrow afternoon, so look forward to that.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
But I just, I just.

Speaker 7 (29:37):
I'm literally counting down the minutes until Saturday, man, And
the fact that we have to sit around the night
waiting for this Red Sock Yankee game to be over,
to wait and see what time we play on Saturday
pisses me off. But I guess it's the It's the
price you pay for being the two seasons.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
All right, man, thank you, we'll talk to you later.
All right, boys, all right, there is David Softy mall
that joining us Thursdays with Softy always a treat right
here on Chuck and Buck in the mornings. Coming up next,
Factor Fiction comes your way at seven thirty five BUCkies
pick today. Also, we'll talk more about that Thursday night
football game. I think it's already been picked by one
of our colleagues for this week, but we'll talk about

(30:16):
the game itself and maybe about Shador Sanders Mastermind. Next
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. All right, it's
Chuck buck and Ashley with you here on this Thursday.
We roll into our eight o'clock hour. You know what
we do every Thursday from eight to nine, we talked
from Seahawks Football with the best in the business. Our
Seahawks insider Greg Bell is with us, and our QB

(30:36):
one Hugh Millan joins us as well here on this Thursday.
Good morning, fellas, good morning, good morning, good morning. All Right,
Buccaneers on Sunday, for my money, the best team this
team has faced this year. But you know where I
want to start. I want to go back to what
we did last Thursday. Hugh, you made a comment about, yes,
it's tough to play Thursday night football, but if you

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can win that game, the advantage it gives you the
following week. Well, facing this good of a team, I'll
take any advantage I can get. And this sounds like
the healthiest the Seahawks have been in quite some time,
so I'd love to see them take full advantage of
these extra days of rest, recovery, and preparation to face
this Buccaneers team on Sunday.

Speaker 12 (31:18):
Yeah, because the Buccaneers had to play the Eagles and
everything that entailed physically and emotionally playing at home, and
of course they didn't win that game. They had another
valiant late game effort that almost came through like it
had in the first couple of weeks. So I think
that that's difficult for them. Coupled them obviously flying about

(31:42):
as far as you can in the NFL across the country,
and then Seattle having that advantage. You know, the point was, Hey,
the Cardinals and the Seahawks greg were on equal footing.
They both it sucked for both of them to have
to play on Thursday. But now they get the Seahawks,
they get that advantage for having that extra kind of

(32:04):
mini buy.

Speaker 8 (32:06):
They had Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday off from practice.
Weren't on the field at all, so four out of
five days the Seahawks were off. They're not fully healthy.
I don't think the Marcus Lawrence is going to play
this week with the thigh injury he got in Arizona.
He didn't practice yesterday. Mike McDonald was starting to learn
how he is with injuries, and when he is a
circumspect about Lawrence as he's been, it usually means not

(32:28):
going to play. Devin Witherspoon didn't practice yesterday either, but
I think they are managing his knee. He had a
big ice wrap on his knee in the locker room
in Arizona after he played. And Julian Love didn't practice
yesterday with a hamstring, but I expect him to play
as well. But Lawrence could be the one that even
with this mini buye not going to play. The players
went away, it was like having a second by the

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coaches stayed and did some self scouting, and we've talked
about how they've been very good when they've run to
the left side and left leaning off. We also talked
this week, Chuck and I did about how they are
running left the last couple of weeks since Pittsburgh, they
have run about thirty thirty five percent of the time
to the left, sixty five percent to the right, and

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they haven't even come close to their rushing totals they
had against the Steelers. They are trying to get their
running game going. That's part of what they were doing
in the Mini buy. The coaches are trying to reapproach
the run game. They are far from hole on the offense,
and they're not going to get their offensive identity straight
until they get their running game straight.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Well, let's talk about that. You dive into that this
running game still is not where it wants to be,
and yet they are fully committed to it. I mean,
you've got one of the hottest quarterbacks in the National
Football League. He's throwing the ball about forty percent of
the snaps to this point, and yet a struggling running
attack is still the point of emphasis on trying to
get this offense going. What do you make of all that, Well,

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the numbers.

Speaker 12 (33:57):
Would suggest, based on the the difference in the efficiency,
that the Seahawks ought to pass the ball more. I
think that they feel philosophically that if they do pass
the ball more, the efficiency will go down and and
sacks will come into play and the like, and so
uh yeah, that's probably at this juncture, almost at the

(34:18):
quarter pole of the season, probably the biggest disappointment for
the Seahawks is how they have run the ball. And
it's not just the wide zone. Uh, They're they're trying
other things. In fact that I think they've had a
lower percentage of wide zone that I had anticipated. You know,
they they're they're running duo inside plays inside zone, they're

(34:40):
running power encounter the gap schemes, they're pin and poll,
they're they're trying to get different type of schemes and uh,
and you know, really they just kind of are mired
in difficulty. And I think, I mean, Canine has had
some of the most amazing four yard runs that a
guy could possibly have, and with with guys just showing

(35:04):
up totally unblocked, and his lateral quickness is able to
to at least reconcile something. So I think that they'll
continue continue to hammer at it. But I would say
from a scheme standpoint, Uh, it's not for lack of trying,
because we're seeing a lot of effort. From a different
scheme standpoint.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Greg, let's talk about somebody who's back and healthy. I
think it's a huge talking point this week, Nick emn
worry is he playing Sunday and is he going to
Are we finally going to get to see this role
we've been dreaming about and wondering about all off season.

Speaker 8 (35:43):
Yeah, he was full participant in practice yesterday. It's the
first time he's been full since he's high ankle spring.
The fourth snap he had of the season in the opener,
and that's game. He played four of the first five
snaps against San Francisco and the opener, and I had
my badocas trained on him. McDonald put him as an
outside linebacker, he put him as a post safety, and

(36:04):
they put him in the slot. He got injured as
an outside linebacker, whitzing free when no one blocked him
and he ran into Christian McCaffrey for a tackle for loss.
We saw in just four plays, three different ways McDonald
intends to use him. They have just been mixing and
matching without him yet, still trying the big safety with
the Anthony Bell and Tyle Cotta. So McDonald is intent

(36:27):
on doing this, But now he's got the guy he's
intending to do it with back in his lineup, and
I think we're going to see the fool even worry
and everything McDonald wants to do with him. Right away,
they held him out. This is the fourth of the
week that he has had since the injury. When they
didn't put him on injured reserve, it suggested that he
would be back after at least four games, because otherwise

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they would put him on iron. He would have missed
four weeks and it could have cleared a roster spot,
so they have been missing him. The defense run defense, though,
has been good. They haven't had had to commit as
meant many snaps to a safety down in the box
and still stopping the run while getting pressure from the
front four in the past game if Arizona This is

(37:10):
a big if, but if Arizona had not scored in
the last five fifty two touchdowns Thursday night, this team
still would have not allowed seventeen points a game, they
would be leading the league in points allowed. As it is,
they're only giving up about seventeen points a game. Only
one team scored more than seventeen Arizona with the twenty
at the end of the game. They are okay defensively

(37:31):
doing it with that with Devin Witherspoon missing two games,
with Emon worried all with four snaps so far this season,
and they're doing it without having to blitz when they're
pressuring and affecting quarterbacks without having to blitz and just
getting the front four Leonard Williams, Lawrence until he got hurt,
Jaron Reid and Byron Murphy. Those four are allowing McDonald

(37:54):
to cover with seven, and Bucky and Hugh and you
and me, we can all figure out seven against four
eligible receivers. You're going to be able to cover that
most of the time. And that's the numbers that have been
in Seattle's favors so far. Emon war is going to
only add to that. Pretty encouraging for the Seahawks to
be as good as they have been for four games
on defense without even worried being in but all with

(38:15):
four players.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
H don't even worry. Be happy he's back. He's back
for us. All you excited about that?

Speaker 6 (38:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (38:23):
And I think I think that he is really the
Swiss Army knife that Mike McDonald really covets. I think
he sees him in something of a Kyle Hamilton roll.
The safety they do everything safety for the Ravens, who's
first has been first team All Pro and acknowledged to
be one of the best players of that style.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
In the league.

Speaker 12 (38:44):
Now, he only played four plays against the forty nine ers.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
My notes.

Speaker 12 (38:51):
I don't have him as a post safety, Greg I
have him the one time he was deep it was
a quarter safety where they're rolling cover two to the
weeks and he was backing off in the quarters. I
I we haven't seen him play. I didn't think he
was good in post safety at South Carolina, being a
single safety and and and that's a weakness, so I

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don't I would contend that he has had a snap
at post safety.

Speaker 8 (39:17):
Okay, well, all call it deep cover safety a quarter safety.

Speaker 12 (39:22):
But but I think that the most significant of those
four plays for me was the time they went cover
one man to man and he was aligned to cover
Christian McCaffrey out of the backfield and with with no
bracket help. And and there was a play I believe
it was Kansas City, but there was a play that

(39:42):
made an imprint on me in the preseason when they
went cover one. That's that's man to man and he
was aligned out on the slot against I even looked
up the height and weight of the receiver. I think
he was sub one hundred and ninety pounds, so presumably
a quick guy. The hoof, he looked like a quick
receiver in the slot and they had a feeling that, hey,

(40:05):
you just match up, use your length. You're a good
enough athlete to be able to be paired in the slot.
I think that's an important point because in the alignment
that they want to have him as a nickel Sam
often coaches called that the star position, that nickel Sam position.
You can't just say, well, they won't they the Seahawks

(40:26):
won't play man to man if we put a guy
in a slot against him. The Seahawks have shown a
willingness to put Amon Worry in man and man situations
against ostensibly, you know, a challenging and quick player. Certainly
McCaffrey would fit that description. So I think there's a
lot they plan to do with them. And I think

(40:49):
Mmike McDonald's is feeling like he gets his second crack
at Christmas this Sunday.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
With his brand new toy. They have a pretty versatile
running back greg and Bucky Irving, but he doesn't look
like he's going to be playing this week either. So
how much easier does that make life for the Seahawks
defense Sunday?

Speaker 8 (41:10):
Yeah, our Bucky the Duck was talking about Bucky Irving
the Duck earlier this week. Now, important. That is he
was in a walking boot yesterday and Tampa reporters said
and also with crutches, and Todd Bowles, the coach of
the Buccaneers, said, well, if he's still in crutches in
a walking boot Friday, he's not going to play obviously,
so they're holding out hope he still can play if

(41:30):
he can rapidly improve between then and Friday. If he
doesn't play, that is a big deal because I've talked
about how Irving is very decisive, but not just in
the run game. He hasn't had a game yet this
season Bucky Irving where he hasn't had at least fourteen
carries and four receptions out of the backfield, and that
is one thing the Seahawks have struggled with defensively. Our

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passes to the running backs outside in the flat and
tackling after the catch secondary missed multiple tackles and even
just in the first half alone when they were controlling
the game against Arizona, Bucky Irving is a dual threat
guy against them outside and inside pass and run. If
he's not in there, well, Rashad White would be the

(42:14):
number one back. You remember that name. I remember watching
Rashad White won all over the Seahawks in Munich in
twenty twenty two. As a rookie. The Buccaneers had the
thirty second ranked run offense, and Tom Brady changed got
to the line of scrimmage in Munich and turned every
pass call into a run and they ran for one
hundred and fifty yards in the first half, where Shad
White had his first one hundred yard game. He's only

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had three in his four year career. Rashad White will
be the number one if Bucky Irving can't run on Sunday,
and they will run because they don't want Baker Mayfield
exposed to a pass rush to tease off on him
as much as as Mayfield can extend plays by the
way yesterday, Mike McDonald said that in their metrics they
used for extending plays by quarterbacks, Baker Mayfield is number

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one in the league, the best in the league at
doing it and producing yards outside the pocket extending plays. So,
just like Kiler Murray last week, it's another week of
the Seahawks pass rush. Having the rush disciplined outside in
rush lanes contained may be more important than sacks on
some plays because Baker Mayfield will kill you if you
get him outside. Mayfield, by the way, is the first

(43:23):
quarterback in NFL history. Its found this out last night.
He was writing about him first quarterback in NFL history
to win three games to start a season, all in
the final minute. They were three to zero for the
first time since two thousand and five until the Eagles
beat him the other day, and that was because the
Eagles took a twenty one point lead. Mayfield almost brought
him all the way back. He's still dangerous. It is
a good Cooper Cup story. I wrote in the News

(43:45):
Tribune this morning about why Cooper Cup loves and it
respects Baker Mayfield. Y'all remember the Thursday night game Rams
and Raiders twenty twenty two. If you remember that Baker
Mayfield had gotten cut by the Carolina pa Anthews because
Sam Darnold took his job. In twenty twenty two, it
was the year that the Panthers traded with the Browns

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to get Baker Mayfield, the former number one pick from
twenty eighteen. Donald takes his job because Mayfield only when
one of six starts. Panthers start, Donald wave Mayfield. Rams
pick him up on a Tuesday and have a Thursday
night game against the Raiders, John Wolford started. Remember John
Wolford beat the Seahawks up here at SEFI.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
For three full of muscle beat the Seahawks.

Speaker 8 (44:30):
He had another journeyman quarterbacker game in here in the
Peak earlier and beat him. John Wolford started that game
the Thursday night against the Raiders in Inglewood. Three plays,
three yards, three and out. The Raiders took a ten
to nothing lead, and McVeigh put Baker Mayfield in. Mayfield
brought him back from a sixteen to three deficit ninety
eight yard drive and the finals, he went ninety eight

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yards in ninety five seconds. Learning Sean mcvay's offense in
two days, Cooper cup Shit said yesterday is one of
the most remarkable things he's ever seen. Learning mcday's offense
in two days enough to go down and win an
NFL game. He said, there are people in LA who
still revere Baker Mayfield for pulling that trick off, and
so make Mayfield and and Darnold's career at Arcs are

(45:12):
almost similar. Going to play each other on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
It's been a wild ride here. I mean, I don't
know if I've seen it. I mean you see, like
in those football games where you can track the percentage
chance that you have to win the game. Mayfield's career
has been like a number one overall pick one hundred
percent chance he's going to be successful, and then at
one point it was like zero percent. This guy's done.
And now he's back to being considered an MVP candidate

(45:35):
in Tampa Bay. It's been a wild ride with Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 12 (45:38):
Yeah, it looks like some kind of an earthquake meter, right,
but uh, you know, I think that he by his personalities,
there's a resilience.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
There's a maturity that he's had.

Speaker 12 (45:50):
I know, Uh, Colin Coward had been a real critic
of his maturity and and and Coward has had to
you know, can see that the guy really has maturity
as a playmaker. I mean, he's a leader, he's feisty,
and I when I watch him, I see a quarterback
who plays fast. Everything that he does, his feeder fast,

(46:13):
his release, he plays with that. You can see that
it's almost like he's clenching his teeth. He makes decisions,
he goes to his progressions fast. He throws the ball hard.
The ball goes fast and and I think at this
juncture of his career, you know, he's just grooving and
he's got good targets. Although obviously Mike Evans the absence

(46:37):
of him really helps Seattle, but a Mecca Buka, the
local kid, has really emerged, and so I think that
they they feel like they have a guy that they
can absolutely win a Super bowls. Obviously look at how
they're playing, but you know, in talking about the run percentage,
that the while the Seahawks are second in in run

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percentage only to Philadelphia, the Buccaneers are dead in the middle.
There's sixteenth at forty three and a half percent run percentage,
but in terms of rush yards differential to Greg's point,
the Buccaneers are sixth. So they still want to win

(47:21):
with Baker Mayfield throwing the ball, but they run it
enough and they are effective enough to have those type
of numbers.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Baker Mayfield Tampa Bay Buccaneers coming into town on Sunday
to take on the Seahawks. So we got a lot
more to discuss in this very very interesting matchup. I mean,
we might even take time to talk about the uniforms
in this game. Sorry, that's a big story in and
of itself. We've got Greg Bell, We've got Hugh Millan.

(47:51):
It's our twelfth Man Roundtable. We do it every Thursday
right here at Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ
A r f M. All right, segment of our twelve
Man round Table. Seahawks hosting the Buccaneers. They're keeping the
same start time. It's not going to interfere with Mariner's
Playoff Baseball. They've shoved that to a Sunday night, and
so one o'clock start in this game, Boy, why don't

(48:14):
you get us started on keys and a prediction here
Seahawks Buccaneers.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
That's pretty obvious where the key is.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I mean, if the Seahawks want to win, you've better
control that guy named Bucky. I mean, you go against
a Bucky things is dangerous.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Well, since he's not gonna plays well.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Well, that's a good sign. That's a good sign.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I wouldn't be Yeah, I mean, I think, honestly, I
think it to me, it kind of goes something that
I was hearing Hugh and Greg talk about, was Vidavea
that the he plays, he's a disruptor and he plays
against the spot that is probably the weakest spot on
something that's still the jury's out on whether or not.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
It's vastly improved.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I have a feeling he's going to be pushing the
pocket back a little bit, and therefore you got to
hope that Sam Darnold's make him or that Kubiak's getting
him on the move away from where that pressure is
coming right back up the middle, and that he is
not turning the ball over. I kind of feel like
this is a game that could go really could.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Go either way.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
But I'm gonna go ahead and keep riding the Seahawks.
I think Sam Donald is controlled. I think he understands
how to run this whole thing, and so I'm going
twenty one to nineteen Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Twenty one nineteen Seahawks over the Buccaneers.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Greg, what do you got?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (49:28):
The Bucky Irving factor is a big one. If a
one dimensional offense against Mike McDonald, he usually handles from
Baltimore and in his short time so far in Seattle,
if they can make Baker Mayfield have to throw to
win and throw constantly, the Seahawks are going to win.
They're going to take out a Buka without Mike Evans

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in there. Buka is really the top thread to game
plan against, and mcdonald'll have a probably bracket scheme for
two on him. Look for Kate otten from Tom Water
to have a big game at the tight end position.
He's clutched for them third down receiver inside. If Abuka
gets the coverage, I expect him to. Kate Aughten could

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have a good game in his homecoming. But I think
one dimensional offenses against Mike McDonald's a bad recipe for
some team. Kind of come in and beat this defense.
And Bucky's right hughes right Vita Vera has a chance
to disrupt the game. Fortunately for the Seahawks, getting Donald
away from him outside is Donald's best attribute. That's what

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they want to do with him anyway. I think that'll
be a key. They're going to be tough sledding running
against this defense in veya up front. I think another
game we're going to say where's the run game? I
say Sam Donald beats Baker Mayfield in the fourth quarter
and they win something like twenty to sixteen for their
fourth straight win.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
I love that it was funny and breaker Mayfield's press
conference earlier this week, he was asked about Sam Donald
and he said, yeah, he's a great guy. We were
really good buddies when we were in Carolina together. And
they go, do you have any great memories from that
time I'm in Carolina with him.

Speaker 8 (51:01):
From the good old days of the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Did he ask him?

Speaker 12 (51:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:04):
And Baker goes, nope, nope, negative.

Speaker 8 (51:09):
Well he first, he said, first, he said, what kind
of days is there? Weren't any good old days?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
All right, you close this out. What are your final
thoughts on this roundtable as we prepare for the Bucks?

Speaker 12 (51:23):
Well, you had asked about matchups and and you know,
you're just getting started, and and and a couple of
things we haven't discussed. I think, you know, Tarik Woolan,
I don't know where he is on his career. I
feel like on some level he's he's kind of balancing
on the blade of a knife. I think he's got
to pick it up. I think that the matchup there
had to been Mike Evans, who's, you know, you know,

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a borderline Hall of Fame type guy. He's out, But
the Buccaneers get Chris Godwin. I think that that's probably
uh better for Tampa Bay. When you're talking about Greek Woolan,
I think he would have been better matched against the
taller Mike Evans, but some matchups I like for Seattle.

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The right tackle for the Buccaneers is a guy named
Charlie Heck. Fourth rounder. He's in his sixth year. His
first year, his PFF grade was at fifty eight and
a half and sixty is basically middle. Every single year,
and I mean every year including this year, there has

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been a drop and now has a drop from the
prior year. Now he's at thirty seven his grade, which
is seventy first out of seventy three tackles. On the
other side, Tristan Wurfs has been one of the better
tackles in football. He is also in his sixth year.

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He was a thirteenth overall pick. Every year prior to
this year his grade has been above eighty. He's always
been in the top ten of all tackles in every
single year. But he had knee surgery this summer and
he started off on the pup list and his his

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his grade of a sixty four is some twenty points
below his average. So I think that when you consider
that the tackles on each side, I think there's going
to be some opportunity for Seattle's edge guys to make
some plays against them.

Speaker 8 (53:26):
All right, what are you talking about? Riek Willand yeah,
they kind of did him dirty. I mean, I know
part of the GM's job in the front office job
is to generate trade interest in someone they may want
to get rid of. But that's someone they raised, drafted,
put it as a starter, made a pro bowler, and
then they leak out that they want to get him
traded and try to generate trade interest. I saw him
in the locker room yesterday and he was just kind

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of shaking his head like, man, that's the dirty pull
of the underworkings of business in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Playbatter, you know, I get it. I with you, but man,
he's just got to play better going into this way.
All right, gentlemen, awesome job by both of you. We
appreciate it, and we will talk to you both at
some point tomorrow as well. Rock and roll. All right,
Greg Bell joining us right here for our twelfth Man roundtable.

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Of course, we want to follow Greg new So at
g Bell Seattle there on Xortheanews Tribune dot com. He'll
be back with us tomorrow as well at his normal
nine o'clock spot on Fridays for a little x's and
oh's breakdown coming up next though, on our program, back
to the Mariners. That's right, Greg, go Mariners. I want
to grade judge, you know, gauge.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Gauge.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Gauge is the word. I was looking for the confidence level,
not in the Mariners overall, but we're gonna get more
specific with Ashley and Bucky Neck Sports Radio ninety three
point three kh A r F M.

Speaker 10 (54:49):
And I wish I would have scared you on the
way to the bathroom.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Wows for.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
H you're gonna get it now you think we're even,
We're not.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
I mean, you tried to make me think I was
locked in the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
All I did was hold the door. I was holding
the door for you. It's like a gentleman thing.

Speaker 10 (55:07):
I did think of doing this, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
But I was holding the door for you.

Speaker 10 (55:11):
I did think of doing the same thing.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
And I was like, all he's going to do is
turn the knob and it's going to be like no
one was holding the other side of the door.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
I'm not nearly as strong as as it will have
no effect.

Speaker 11 (55:21):
That.

Speaker 10 (55:21):
So I hid behind the.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Corner and with scary fingers in a scary face, thinking
that if he turned to look that way, I'd scare him,
but then he didn't look, so.

Speaker 10 (55:30):
Then I went ah, not even really loud. It was
at that volume any which.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
No one, by the way, looks that way. You're coming
out of the bathroom. There's nothing to the right. There's
a door that goes to the old building.

Speaker 10 (55:41):
See me out of the corner of your you know,
I'm scared of it.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yeah, okay, so you would. You would have already been
on your toes. Not me just walking out, Oh willy nilly,
just feeling real good about myself. I just went to
the bathroom with no no mishaps, and she yells right
behind me, really yell.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I jumped.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
It was like that, which if I had seen her
and she had to scary face with her claws.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
That would scare me.

Speaker 10 (56:09):
Yeah, I didn't really want.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yell was the only thing that got me, And you
got me. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (56:13):
Now I'm in trouble.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Happy, Calloween happy.

Speaker 10 (56:16):
It's the spear of the season.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
That's right, I agree, I agree?

Speaker 1 (56:22):
All right. Well, the Mariners will play on Saturday. Today.
The Guardians and the Tigers will play game number three
of their wildcard series. We will know about three o'clock
who are opponent's going to be on Saturday. So third
and decisive game today, and it should be a lot
of fun to watch, there's no question about that. And

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then the Mariners will start their preparations. Maybe we start
getting the roster decisions at the end of the day,
at the latest tomorrow, maybe we'll find out the number
one starter for the series today. No later than tomorrow.
I would assume they have one more scrimmage that's going
on this evening at five o'clock, and they are selling
tickets to that, so if people are interested. Looks like

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those that went yesterday had a good time with it.
And so, yes, Ashley, I know you said this is
going to be the longest week ever. Here we sit
with one hour to go on our Thursday show.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
Yeah, it feels like it's been three weeks since the
Mariner's last place.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
You looked at me, Yeah, dropped your head.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
Yeah, I'm sorry, but no, it feels like a very
long time since the Mariners last played baseball, and the
anticipation continues to grow every day. I'm very excited, I'm
very eager. I'm somewhat nervous, all of the emotions.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
All right, Well, I'm not going to We're not going
to run the nervous game.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
You know what we're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
We're gonna judge your confidence. I like it going into
the weekend series. So let's get it started. Let's talk
about our offense. Bucky scale from one to ten. What's
your confidence level that the offense will come through this postseason?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
An eight? Pretty high? Yeah, I mean I don't if we've.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Gone into the postseason. We got again in the postseason
last year, but number would have been two.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Yeah, it wouldn't have been good.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Yeah, it would have been It would have been like
I literally am just hoping for one guy to hit
a bomb, hit a three run homer, Yes, exactly. And
yet now it's not even close to that. And that's
part of the reason why I don't necessarily have much
concern about rust. And that doesn't mean they couldn't go

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out there and scuffle. I just don't think it's going
to because of rust. I think I think this team,
when you go basically one through nine, has some grinders
in there.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
They have some danger. I mean that there's crazy.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
You might have a guy hitting fifth with fifty homers
almost I mean you get I mean the idea of
what this team has as far as the potential, I mean,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I don't. There's not a lot of teams out there that.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
I just say, oh, I would first sure trade my
team for that team as far as the offense goes,
And yet we got to see him do it. They
got to go out and do it. It's but hopefully
they don't put a whole bunch of undue, unnecessary pressure
on themselves individually and just go out there and try
to grind out AB's I.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Got an eight too, That's what I wrote all mine
down before, and I got an eight as well. I
think the depth and the balance of this offense is outstanding.
It's not just outstanding by Mariners standards in the last
few years and the Depoto era. Offensively, I think it's
just outstanding. I think it measures up against just about
anybody's in the league. You know, I'm a little worried

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about versus lefties, but believe it or not, the splits
aren't as outrageous as what you might think. I think
we can play small ball if we need to with
this group. I think that we can steal bases. I
think we can play a home run war with anybody
in the American League. Maybe not the Yankees at Yankee
Stadium because they're kind of built for that stadium. But yeah,

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I don't think we're going to get eliminated from the
playoffs because of our offense.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
Yeah, And I would say if we were judging it
just on potential, I'd give it a ten. But four
decades of being a Mariners fan does make me, you know,
I have I keep my reservations just a little bit.
So then that gives me like a six and a
half or seven because of my nerves, so averaging out
to yeah, about an eight, just that I think they
can get the job done. But I step into all

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of it with a little bit of hesitation, just because
of so many years of well even this year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I mean even then recently than the month of September,
they went a long stretching like what is happening?

Speaker 10 (01:00:36):
Very good point, why are we hitting?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
What is happening here? So that thing is the thing
that keeps you from putting it to a ten. Yeah,
maybe a go nine, but you can't go because this
team can move weird. They're like Sybil, they got like
six different person To be honest, I don't know for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
If you could put an offense out there, I mean
that I would just think is ten unless it's like
the All Star team, right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Think maybe the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
I think I don't feel like it's a ten.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
I mean I feel like it's yeah, show Hey does
what show Hay does, and Mooki does what he does,
and Freddy does what he does. You're like, and ta
Oscar's chipping in. Then you're like, yeah, we're gonna score
four or five plus runs a game. But you can't
guarantee it's gonna happens. Matter of fact, they run into
our pitching staff off, our pitching staff's on, they ain't
gonna be a ten.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
All right, Well let's talk about our pitching staff starting
pitching scale from one to ten. Actually, how confident are
you that they're gonna come through?

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:01:24):
Man, no, this is again.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
I'm gonna go starting pitching only I've got to go
with us seven seven, Yeah, which I know seems a
little low, but and I really okay, seems very low.
But it's just again, it's those reservations that yeah, that's fair.
It's those reservations that I I can't get, that I

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can't get past.

Speaker 10 (01:01:47):
It's the it's that that's that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
Feeling of what what's going to go wrong that you know,
I think is in the back of a lot of
Mariners fans minds. Now, I'm not letting it overtake that
my my confidence.

Speaker 10 (01:01:59):
You know, I'm giving them a seven.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
It's on the higher end of five of the ten
or zero to ten scale. But I just worry about
those little blow ups that we have seen from each
one of these guys this season.

Speaker 10 (01:02:13):
It's not just one person that's had those little blow ups.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I was gonna go nine, but because of the Wu,
I'm gonna knock it down to half a point. So
I'm gonna go eight and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I am.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
I'm pretty I'm very confident with this group. And I
know they've had some injuries this year, and I know
they have had their scuffles, but they are all kind
of on a roll right now. I mean, Bucky's repeatedly
pointed out the Castillo success in his last four starts,
and even though they've he's been better in his last
four starts than everybody else in the rotation. Logan Gilbert's

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got a like a two to two er this month,
and Brian Wu's got a two point four ra over
his last seven starts, and George seems to have fixed
things right now. And I think they all have the
right kind of motor for this occasion, Like who's a
tenacious competitor? Logan as goofy as he is is a
tenacious competitor. Castile might be just that personality that just

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like I'm I'm not gonna get worked up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Maybe you're gonna get worked up, but I'm not gonna
get worked up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
That cool customer. I mean, it's a different personality. But
and then George, uh yeah, sometimes he can't get his
own he gets in his own way sometimes, but I
have a feeling he's going to rise to the occasion.
I feel really confident about this group and I think
that the only reason not a ten is because I
don't think we have a scooble type that I feel like,

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if we're faced to Trek Schouble, we're going to get
two great efforts throwing us. I don't know we have
that guy. But in terms of our depth, every single
game that we pitch, we're gonna have a very good starter, too,
great starter on the mound. Nobody else can say that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Yeah, I mean you just gotta go out there and think, Okay,
when when we put this guy's name down and he
goes out to the rubb or how good do you
feel about his chances of giving you a chance to win?
And there's I don't think there's another organization that feels
as good, regardless of what game, regardless where you're playing,
as the as the Mariners. You I'll go nine, But

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that's because I'd be hard pressed for me to give
a ten to anything. I just don't A ten is
a perfect score, right, I don't. I just have a
hard time thinking. I mean, because there's these guys aren't perfect,
they're still human. And the idea that you're gonna go
out there and execute you know, one of your pitches. No,
but if you make a mistake to one guy, you
probably get away with that. You make a mistake to

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somebody else and maybe won't. Next thing, you know, you're
walking out of the game giving up three and five innings,
and you're you're on the comeback trail, You're you're you're
playing a different type of ballgame. So but I feel good.
I feel good about good. I feel good about whether
it's logan, I wouldn't be surprised if it is Logan
first and Castillo second, and then wu coming back for
your first game on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I mean, I feel good about where we're at.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
I want you to think about something. The Boston Red
Sox and New York Yankees are playing a game with
their seasons on the line side, and they are starting
Connolly early who uh huh? And Cam Schlittler, And the
only reason you know him is because we've faced him
and Angie was scared to pronounce his name.

Speaker 10 (01:05:14):
That's the only reason I know him.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Correct, and so talented, no doubt about it. But that's
like us getting to Game three of our playoff and
starting Logan Evans. Yeah, I mean they're more. They throw
a harder fastball, But I'm just from those guys were
not part of the plan when the season began. They
have been forced into the plan because of injuries or ineffectiveness.

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We've got all five of our guy. Bryce Miller's not
gonna make a postseason rotation for goodness sake. So that's
how well equipped we are. And it's a lot of
credit to the Mariners, not just they're developing a pitching talent,
but also the way that they keep these guys healthy,
because almost every other starting rotation is beleaguered at this
point in the year, and ours feels like it's its

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strongest it's been all season long. All right, let's go
a bullpen. How confident are you with the bullpen?

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
I'll get this start with it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I'm gonna go seven. I like to make it a
little bit higher, but I think that is a notch
up from where I was maybe a month ago with
this group. But keep in mind with the rest, and
it really does help. I mean, we got everybody available
Saturday and Sunday, nobody's not available, and Munnos is available
for more than three outs. I mean, you saw it

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with Chapman. He hadn't thrown a four out save all
year long. But in Game number one of the playoffs,
what did Boston do? They went to Chapman in the
eighth inning, So we also had that at our disposal.
We're gonna have Bryce Miller back there. So yeah, I
feel pretty good that we're gonna confident that we're gonna
get six innings most playoff games out of our starters.
Then you can now you can combine forces, Bucky, you

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can go a Ferguson and Bizardo to get you through
the seventh, and a brash and aspire to get you
through the eighth, and Munjos if you need him, can
even come into the eighth and get it out. So
I think it's really stacked up well for this group,
and so I think seven is a solid number for them.
I think we've had better bullpens at this time of
the year the last few years. But I think that

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this won't be a reason why.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
We lose the postseason.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Yeah, well, I mean if I feel like, if you
do you get bounced in this round, I think that's
where I think it would come from, to be honest.
And the only reason I say that's if if you
need to get through more than just two Indians, and
you're right, you can use Munnos for more if you want.
But if you're thinking about this is a month long

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postseason that you're trying to go on, you're not saving
them early because every single win is important. But if
you're thinking about, Okay, no, this works out matchup wise,
we can go Bizarro I think is probably that dude,
or Gabe is probably that guy. If you go that
route and it's one of their off nights, then you know,
I think this offense can pick up the bullpen. I'm
gonna go probably a seven. I maybe would lean more

(01:07:54):
towards even like a six and a half, but that's
because I feel real strong about a couple guys and
then the other guys that I know we're going to
need to rely on at some point in time through
at the course of this series and the rest of
the postseason. I just am like, I feel great about
bizarre Huh, they've never been here, but yeah, I feel
great about the way Barzardo has pitched all year, and
yet I still don't. I feel the same as I

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do about Carlos Vargas, who was unbelievable for the first
half of the season, first two thirds, and then he
scuffled a little bit as of late. I feel kind
of like Bizarro could be that guy too, and I
just don't want that to rear its ugly head in
the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
I'm going to go seven and a half, and that
is because I do feel like the rest is going
to be so important for them, and I think they
were overused quite a bit this year because the starters
weren't going deep enough into games, and that screwed us
over for the next game. In the next game when
and they were going back to back days and I
just think they they more than anyone, could really use

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that rest, and I think it's going to be most
beneficial to them, and I would go higher, but they've
had those blow ups too, so there is always that
nervous factor.

Speaker 10 (01:08:55):
But I think the seven and a half, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Dan because I think Dan has gotten better at managing
now that we're not talking about you got you got
to play for one hundred and sixty two. When he
got to the point where he was just managing like, no,
we got to play to win this game, I think
he really started to click. Yeah. Uh. And now you're
getting into the postseason and that's completely different animal. And

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so let's just roll that. So I think that you're
going to see him, you know, I think it's going
to be slightly different, but I think it's going to
fall right into what he does best, frankly and trying
to figure out the matchups here. So let's get the
manager at your confidence level with Dan Wilson heading into
the playoff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Well, I mean he's gonna be going against who do
you got hinch? And who's the hinter or vote or vote.
I mean he's got to ye pretty much just as
much experience as vote. I mean, right there close he's been.
He's older and voter is obviously.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
And I would say vote is old enough to vote?

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Yes, he is? He really?

Speaker 10 (01:09:57):
Yeah, just barely.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
That's good. It'd be amazing if he was the manager
of a big league team.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
It's happened before Minnesota Twins.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, eleven year old.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
I think Angels in the Outfield or something like that.

Speaker 10 (01:10:09):
I don't even know what that movie is you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Bud, I don't even know what you're talking about. I
feel good. I mean, I think that he has his
pulse on the team. And I think that we've heard
guys talk about the previous manager and I like service,
but that he at times looked he felt nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
He's like pacing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
And if you all of a sudden feel like you're
the captain of the ship is nervous, well, then that's
going to permeate throughout the rest of the team. I
don't think Dan has that. It's not like he doesn't
feel what's going on. I just don't think he stresses
out about it. He just is more in the kind
of optimistic I believe in you guys. I believe you
can do it. Keep going, keep fighting, let's see what happens.

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And so, I mean, I think I don't think he's
gonna make a bunch of horrific decisions. There's a lot
that rides on every single pitch and every single decision.
But I think i'd give him an eight eight. What
about you?

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
Actually, uh, yeah, I'm probably gonna go seven and a half,
seven and three quarters. I want to go to an eight,
but yeah, there have been some questionable things, and then
the lack of experience is what holds me back from
going to an eight.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
So I'm gonna go lower, I'm gonna go I'm gonna
I'm gonna go six. And that's given him the benefit
of the doubt. I think he I'm a little worried
about this because I think the game was a little
too fast for him at the beginning of the year,
and now the decisions they just come at a it's playoffs,
they just come at a more rapid pace.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
So I'm a little worried about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
To be honest, that's probably the thing that I'm worried
most about. We don't have time to go around the
horn with this. But I also I think mentality is
also an important thing, and I just love the mentality
of this team. I get it at a really high
score as well. I have watched the Mariners teams that
I felt have shut down at times. I have watched
this team earlier in the season where I felt like, guys,

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are you not focused? Is what is happening here? And
I suppose that's very difficult to do over one hundred
and sixty two games. But since the josh Naale and
Gino Swarez additions, man, I think that those two leaders
for providing the suite and the salt that this team needs,
and the veteran leadership and the grit when you need it,
and the patche on the back and the smile when

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you need it, They've really rounded out this group. I
don't think mentality is going to be an issue. I
think they are really well constructed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
In this area.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
And I know Jerry Depoto doesn't value clubhouse and leadership
all that much. It's been a criticism of him in
the past. I do, and I think that this group
is really great right now.

Speaker 10 (01:12:32):
Yeah, i'd ring them that the highest the mentality all.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Right, coming up, sompting, Mike Sando's going to join us.
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Speaker 13 (01:12:57):
Good morning, how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
How are you? How's the fan? How's everything? We haven't
talked in two weeks? Everything good, Everything's good. Everything's good,
and we're gonna.

Speaker 13 (01:13:05):
Motor through another season and having a lot of fun
doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
All right, let's start with a Thursday night football game.
I usually save that toward the end, but it's a
division matchup, our division here in Seattle, and it's pretty
fascinating on its face. What do you think of forty
nine ers Rams tonight?

Speaker 13 (01:13:23):
It'll probably end up being some kind of a slugfest.
They've played some ugly games, but you would sure think
the Rams have the big advantage with the health. I mean,
the forty nine ers are really you know, they've not
only lost nick Bosa, but they got their quarterbacks out
and George Kittle's out, and I don't know if Christian
McCaffrey's the same player.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Shoot.

Speaker 13 (01:13:43):
The more I talk, the more the X are going
to be upset. They lost that first game to them.
But you gotta like the Rams, don't you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
I do, and I don't. I mean eight.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
It's going from one and a half to eight and
a half points, which seems kind of crazy to me.
Mac Jones are not that's it. I kind of like
the not only to win the game, but to kind
of dominate this game tonight. I just think that there's
a discrepancy. I heard Greg Kosel breaking down the forty
nine Ers running game just yesterday, and he's like, they

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can't run the football. A team with Christian McCaffrey and
Kyle Shanahan and they can't run the football this year.

Speaker 13 (01:14:18):
Yeah, yeah, completely, I agree with you. It's concerning now.
Like I said, sometimes these games turn out to be
ugly dog fights anyway. And you know, so the eight
and a half would scare me a little bit just
because it wouldn't shock me at all if it was,
you know, if it somehow ended up being a twenty
to fourteen game or something right, and sometimes the game

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just maybe the Rams just do enough to win the
game right, could be that, but on paper, there's no way.
On paper, eight and a half seems fine, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Yeah, I mean when you're looking at this, I mean, obviously,
by talking about the Thursday night game, it sounds like
leaning in the direction of the Rams if it's not
or anything, just even more than just the health at
this point and the lack of run game out of
San Francisco. But when you usual look at the division
right now and measuring Seattle up against everybody, I mean,
where do you kind of feel like they sit, even

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though they're sitting at three in one just like the
other two.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
I think I just.

Speaker 13 (01:15:15):
Slot them in right behind the Rams until they beat them. Now,
they didn't beat the forty nine ers eater, but I'm sorry,
I think they would beat him again. I think they
would have beat him the next week. You know, they
probably should have beaten them, you know, with you and
I think, just given the state of the teams. So
but I think there's a burden of proof on Seattle
to beat the Rams, and I need to see that,
and once I do, then we can go that way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
I'm a thousand percent with you on that. Mike Sander
is with us, our NFL insider from the Athletic You
can of course follow him at Sando NFL and of
course you all are. What about Seahawks Buccaneers. This shaping
up to be one of the best matchups this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
It is.

Speaker 13 (01:15:48):
The Bucks are a super injured team too, an unbelievable
injury list for them. So it's a game that the
you know, the Seahawks should win at home, but the
Bucks are frisky. Baker Mayfield's frisky. I mean, he's a game.
He's gonna come in there and he's gonna lay it
on the line. He may give you two passes you
can intercept, but he may throw you know, three, three
touchdowns too. I just think he's a gamer. I like,

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I like what he's brought to their team. I do
think they're super banged up and it's hard to come
across the country. So it's again, the Seahawks kind of
like that game against the Ferdinators. They should be disappointed
if they lose it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Well, another guy's frisk here is looking fairly frisky. Is
our our own ginger Sam Sam Darnold is playing pretty
darn well at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
I anybody I have to take advantage of anybody that's
a Redhead that does the good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
So, I mean, how are you feelings about rare well
that they do good things or that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Were just rare both.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
I don't know how to explained it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
It was unnecessary.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Yeah, So, I mean, he just he's playing well at
this point. I think there's still his room for growth
with this Seahawks offense, but he's you got to be
happy with what you're seeing on him so far.

Speaker 13 (01:16:54):
Yeah, extremely, And I'll give you any I've heard a
column today about, you know, the Vikings difficult decision quarterback
that they had to make and how it's you know,
the part of the component of was that Donald's looking
so good. And so I had last season when Donald
was doing well with the Vikings, I had gotten together
with a coach and we watched the video of Donald
and he wasn't overly impressed. I mean, yes, they were

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doing well, but there were Donald was just okay, just fine,
he was just mid. And we went and watched Donald
with Seattle this year and the coach was I couldn't
believe it. He's like, man, this guy's on another level.
He was like, this is kind of Tier one quarterbacking,
just the way he's the way he's placing the football

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so intelligently. And you notice that in against some of
the zones where sometimes that the ball might even look
like it's behind the receiver, but he's really turning the
receiver away from an on rushing defender. Right, that's what
he's really doing. It's it's kind of advanced quarterbacking when
you're placing the ball in specific spots to either lead

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your receiver for extra yards or maybe in a deep ball,
you don't stretch him out as much because you're trying
to increase the chances that he catches it, so you
give him a chance instead of making them sprint and
die for it. Right, the little nuanced things like that,
I think we could see him against pressure too, like

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that Pittsburgh game where he's just getting got a guy
in his lap, the guard gets thrown in the air
and he just sort of feathers it out there leading
his receiver for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:18:31):
There's just a lot of really good signs from him that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Looks real.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
It looks great.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Yeah, and if you think Minnesota looks foolish. I mean,
how inep does Carolina look based off of this Mayfield
the Darnald matchup. I mean, I mean that organization just
cannot get it together. And it's like they're back to
square one. Bryce Young looks terrible again and Andy Dalton
looks better again. And yet are you gonna do are

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you gonna do the same thing again this year? But
you know, to try to fix the Carolina Panthers, I mean,
they just they just can't fix it.

Speaker 13 (01:19:11):
It is, it is difficult. I don't know what they're
I don't know that's their problem, right, They got to
figure that out. But it is amazing that these two
guys were both there, and who knows, maybe at that
point those guys weren't as ready as they are now.
You know, I think since then, Sam Darnald got a
year with Kyle Shanahan and you also get a year
removed from expectations.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:19:29):
I don't know how that always affects everybody, but I
think there's something to that. I think for a Donald
or even a Daniel Jones, that New York, New Jersey
market thing where you're the first round pick, I think
there's a wait to that and then beyond that didn't
have the teams around them to support it. So I
think with Donald last year in Minnesota and this year

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was Sale, they've got good defense, you know. I think
that that takes something off of you a little bit.
And I think when you go in and replace Tom
Brady with no expectations in Tampa, everything you do is
kind of a bonus, right, So I think some of
that framing can help too, just psychologically.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Anything you're I mean, how concerned are you about the
Ravens at this point in time?

Speaker 13 (01:20:11):
Yeah, I'm very concerned because I think when you have
that many serious injuries, like I don't buy into the oh,
Lamar can't do it in a big game thing. I
don't think that's their problem. I mean, they're five highest
paid players by average salary are out okay, So when
you have that, they're basically got about one hundred and
thirty five million dollars of annual salary that's being replaced

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this week by ten million dollars of annual salary. So
you can't overcome that. At a certain point, you just
can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
So that's my problem.

Speaker 13 (01:20:40):
My fear for them is can they get healthy enough
quickly enough on the defensive side of the ball, let
alone Lamar Jackson with the hamstring which could linger. And
he's an elite athlete who really compeach you with his legs.
Is that going to be gone from him?

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
A little bit?

Speaker 13 (01:20:54):
Sixty percent? Lamar may not be enough, Lamar.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
I need more Lamar.

Speaker 13 (01:21:00):
Yeah, I get to gun it out against Josh Allen.
And now if the Chiefs are a little bit healthier
and are better on offense, you know that's gonna be tough.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Is Cleveland Meghan the right choice now to go to
Gabriel or does it even matter? Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:21:12):
I totally think you can't. Just if you've got a
bad team, you can't play with the forty year old quarterback, right,
I mean, you just can't do it. So I've really
they've bothered me the last couple of years because they
just stuck with Deshaun Watson because they had so much
money in them, and it was like everyone could see
it's not working. So hey, they tried a few games.
If it had been really hitting with Flacco and they

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looked like, hey, you know what, they're gonna win it
down AFC North this year. Then you could stick with Flacco.
But it doesn't look like that. So you drafted these
two hitter guys. Let's let let's let Gabriel have some
games and you know, maybe the coaching staff likes him
that I got the feeling in the draft the coaching
staff probably liked him, and then the organization sort of
made him take shot or later.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
That's just what it felt like to me. You know,
people here on the show that it's NFL insider Mike
Sando who made it big in the football world. They're
probably thinking, well, in order to cover the entire National
Football League, he probably lives in a posh, floating bubble
above Middle America. It's probably what they think that seems reasonable,
But you actually live right down the streets. So are

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you fired up for some Mariners baseball this weekend? I
love it now here.

Speaker 13 (01:22:20):
The problem I've had is that through their root sports
ri ip thing, I can't I couldn't get them on
YouTube TV.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
That's correct, right, you don't have to worry about that.
It's gonna be National Net.

Speaker 13 (01:22:33):
So now I get to watch them.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:22:34):
Oh, what I'm saying is I haven't had the ability
to you know, I've had NBA I've had.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Such a football guy, you'd find a way if you cared, Mike.

Speaker 13 (01:22:45):
That's true, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna work
for it that hard.

Speaker 8 (01:22:48):
In my line of work.

Speaker 13 (01:22:49):
I have to catch them when I can. I love it.
I love to go to a game. But now I'm
going to actually turn it on. I'm totally gonna watch.
I love it. I've missed, you know, obviously missed the Sonics,
and you know we've missed the Mariners being good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
So let's take it you would dig a twenty foot
trench to watch the Rams and forty nine ers today.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
That's true. That's true, very much true. I would.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
I mean, that's what I do.

Speaker 13 (01:23:14):
I can't say I like baseball as much, but I
do love all right. Baseball to me is like golf.
Like if I'm playing golf, it means I have time.
If I'm watching baseball, it means I have time. And
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
You make some time this week, and you make some
absolutely all right, Thank you, Mike. We'll talk to you
next week. Thank you, Mike Sando joining us here thanks
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