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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sounds Chrick, Good morning, folks.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good morning everyone, Good morning, it's some time.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Good morning class ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (00:09):
Behold inducing six one yard from Brighton, Illanois and former
high school basketball stand.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
What in the hell does en me? Don't jumped any conclusions,
not a god.

Speaker 5 (00:22):
You've got to lower you lower your expectations.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Hard to believe we could once send a fastball to Pluto.

Speaker 6 (00:29):
I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped ex athlete.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Five seven guard and a former college water polo national champions.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
A lot of useless crap up here.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
Ashley Ryan.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
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Speaker 4 (00:51):
They look casino resort and Quilsee to Greek Draft KNY
sports book where the action never stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Hey, good morning, Welcome into the radio program. It is
Chuggunbuck Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. We're here
for you on a Tuesday and in more ways than one,
because I know the people out there need the support.
Rough night, last night for the Seattle sports scene. Yeah,
the football team won, but certainly all thoughts were or

(01:38):
at least most of them with the Mariners and their
attempt to make history, to end the drought and make
it to the World Series for the first time in
franchise history, and they came up three innings short, lost
to the Toronto Blue Jays four to three last night.
And so we gather again here on this Tuesday morning,

(01:59):
Ashley Ryan, Buck Jacobson, and Chuck Powell to sort of
make sense of it all here on a Tuesday morning.
Certainly not the result that we were looking for. I know,
for many of you lifelong fans, a crushing blow last night,
and there's nothing that we're going to say today that's
going to make you feel better about anything. But last night,

(02:21):
Bucky and I had a little bit of a two
hour therapy session and it went pretty well. You know,
on our postgame show last night, we took some calls
and things of that nature and actually talked to a
lot of people that had a pretty good level head
about all of this. I'm sure a lot of the
others just didn't want to call and didn't want to

(02:43):
talk about it. I'm sure there were people that didn't
have a very level head about it last night. But nonetheless,
maybe that's the role that we can play in your
lives here this morning, just kind of talking through it
here because the Mariners came up just a little bit
short of the World Series.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
The yeah, yeah, and it felt good for most of
the game, you know, felt like you're on your way,
and a couple missed opportunities and a couple opportunities seized
by the opponent.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I mean it, it's a rough one.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
I feel worse actually today than I did right after
the game.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I don't know if that's the hour of sleep. Yeah,
maybe that's what it is.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
Or if it's that, I mean, I think that it's
it's a combination. I mean it's it kind of sinks
in that now, as excited.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
As I am about how well, how well, how.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
Much I like the team right, not just the dudes,
but how they play, and I think that there's still
is potential for growth with a lot of these players.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I think they can still get better.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
We didn't just watch an old team, you know, with
their last chance at possibly doing something fun and memorable
for us as fans to ride along with. It still
is the prospect of watching one hundred and sixty two
to get back to a place to hopefully be able
to be nine outs away from punching your ticket to

(04:05):
the big one. It just feels daunting. It doesn't feel
impossible by any stretch. I know for a fact, I'm
going to be optimistic when you know, as time kind
of goes by.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
But I'm one that typically doesn't expect.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
I don't expect the twenty twenty five Mariners to make
up for heartbreak that I've suffered as a Mariner fan
and even the little bit as a Mariner player for
the past forty five years. Basically, I don't think I
was a big marinor fan before I was five, but
up until then or since then, I have been. It's
not their obligation to make up for that. And so

(04:39):
when they fall short of the goals that they had
put forth and almost achieved and that they were attainable,
I can't really throw it back on them, as if
you let me down for forty five years, you let
me down this year.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
And yet I'm.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
Positive you watch some clips of these guys and I
think the they let themselves and let they feel far
more they feel worse about it than even I do
and most Mariner fans. So I just think that it's
a it's a rough it's a rough morning, for sure,
because you kind of saw it right there on the
horizon before that one big swing that George Springer took.

Speaker 7 (05:19):
I found that I didn't even allow myself to think
about the World Series until the first inning last night.
All of a sudden, the thought crept in of like
this is Game seven, Like the winner of this, yeah,
goes to.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
The World Series.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
And it kind of was the first time that I'd
actually allowed myself to think about it. And then I
then the thought went away, and I was like, nope,
we got a long.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Game to go.

Speaker 7 (05:39):
Just we're just just playing a baseball game. Let's just
see what happens. And then once we were nine outs away,
everybody you kept seeing everybody, Okay, nine outs, nine outs,
that's all we gotta do, and it was seeming like
this is actually now within reach. And so I'd finally
got into the part where I was going to let

(06:00):
myself think this could happen, and then Springer came and
I just it was like crush, like gut punch, and
just it was the second that happened, and I normally
have never that way because I always think this team
can rally, this team can come back. I don't know,

(06:21):
but something about that home run from George Springer, it
was like, Nope, that's it, it's done, and it sucked.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, it was definitely a gut punch. I mean, here,
you get to a game seven, you led most of
the game. Yeah, you you know, I had our boss
sitting next to me during the course of the game
pretty much just counting down the outs audibly in my ear,
and his anxiety certainly added to my anxiety in the moment.

(06:54):
But when you I mean you basically outplayed them for
seventy percent of the game. You led seventy percent of
the game. Uh. And then they had after the first inning,
really just one rally. I mean, I guess they put
one together in the munnose inning and we got out
of that. Got a little lucky there to get out
of that without any further damage. And that's why I thought,

(07:14):
oh man, they're gonna do this again. We just they
had first and third, nobody out. They just hit a
bullet and Nailer nabbed it, doubled the guy off first.
We are gonna do that. They're gonna do this to
us again. They're just gonna take it all the way
to the brink and then pull it out miraculously. It's
the year of Cal. He was due up fourth the
following inning. It's gonna be the year of Cal. He's
gonna get up there somehow, Julio's gonna work a walk,

(07:37):
Something's gonna happen. Cal's gonna get to the plate and
do something spectacular in the Year of Cal. So I didn't.
I was still thinking that they were gonna pull it
off somehow, even after the Springer home run. But there's
no doubt. I mean, it was a gut punch because
you led most of the way, you did enter sort
of countdown mode at some point you couldn't help but

(07:58):
do it. Uh. And it was just a matter of
and it really was a matter of how do we
get to Munnos? How are we going to get because
he was going to pitch two innings, How are we
going to get to Munos? And that in between period
that Dan Wilson found himself in is the thing that
Mariner fans are going to debate for the rest of

(08:19):
their lives. I don't care if you're fifteen years old,
like Bennett who called into the show last night, or
if you're one hundred and five and you felt that
this was the last chance you had to add to
see the Mariners get into the World Series. For the
rest of Mariner fans lives, they are going to debate
whether or not Dan Wilson pushed the right buttons there,

(08:39):
and obviously he didn't. Springer ends up hitting the home run.
That doesn't necessarily mean he made a mistake, but certainly
a debatable topic for the rest of a Mariner fan's
life as to what should have happened in that sequence.
It's very clear, Bucky that what Dan Wilson was I
think the organization had kind of tied themselves to was

(09:00):
George Kirby through two turns through the lineup, and we
don't want to expose him for a third turn because
that's where he's gotten in trouble, and each of his
postseason starts is to have face a lineup the third
time through, and even though he was mowing people down,
they stuck to their game plan. It was going to
be four innings for Kirby, and then Tom Verducci said

(09:23):
before the game Brian who was going to play a
major role in this game tonight. And so the idea
was that Brian Wu, we saw enough in his last outing.
He's going to go for three innings. That's the master plan,
and then we handed over to Munjos for two innings.
And their plan b was if anybody gets in trouble

(09:43):
along the way, because Spire was up early and then
Bizardo was up late, and we're going to put out
the middle of the inning fires with Spire Bizardo and
I would presume Brash might have been the third guy
that they might have used in that scenario. And so
they stuck to the game plan. But something that Bucky

(10:06):
said last night, something you said, stuck with me on
the drive home. I woke up with it this morning,
and that was man Brian Wu had dominated George Springer
in that one at bat that they faced. I mean,
George Springer had obviously a great series against us, had
a great year this year. But the one time he

(10:29):
looked not just he looked foolish was the one at
Batti had against Brian Wu last night. And you know,
we had a long conversation about whether or not you
should add Munnos ready. A lot of people were talking
about that. It turns out last night I didn't find
out that until I was home. We talked about it
significantly last night in the postgame show. We even entertained

(10:50):
the idea of at least have Brash ready, have a
strikeout guy ready in that situation. But more I thought
about it, the more what you said about Wu dominating Springer,
It's not like Brian Wu. I mean, he walked the
first batter. Shame on Brian of that inning, and then
Kiner Filefa with his kind of falafel base hit through

(11:15):
the middle of the inning, the middle of the of
the diamond, which was flukish, and then you got the
sacrifice bunt down. Maybe Wu, maybe you should have stuck
with your game plan. Maybe you should have stuck with
Brian Wu in that situation and see if the guy
who's pitched better than any other Mariner throughout the course

(11:35):
of the year, that you felt good enough about physically
to put into to take George Kirby out of the
game when he was mowing fools down and put Wu
into the game with the idea that you were on
pitch him for three innings. Maybe that was the mistake.
Maybe it wasn't that Munjos wasn't up and ready to
go just in case, or that Brash was also up

(11:56):
with Bizardo because maybe you would need a strike out
that inning and he's more of a strikeout pitcher. Those
are both things that we discussed last night. Maybe the
route to go was to have stuck to the game
plan and see if Brian Wu could make George Springer
look foolish again. Maybe that was the error as we
That's what I kind of arrived at by the time

(12:18):
I came into work this morning. That now, because I
had said last night I wanted Munos up in that
situation just in case traffic on the base pass last time,
you're going to face the top of the order, why
won't you have your best reliever ready for that situation.
I thought that was an air last night. I still
think you probably should have done that. But maybe the

(12:39):
decision was the original plan. Brian Wu's not like he
was getting hit around the ballpark, Bucky. I mean, let
him face Springer and see if he can get out
of that mess, rather than going to bizar to in
that situation.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
Well, I mean we've talked about it multiple times throughout
the course of the season, and I've most recently when
we were talking during the Detroit series when they decided
to take Trek Scooble out of a game, and I
remember you saying, you know, you've probably made a mistake
when the other team is joyous over the fact that,

(13:13):
thank God he's out. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like, oh, thanks,
Whether it's pitch cown or you think you got the
lead enough and now you're gonna go to guys that
are used to pitching in this inning or what like,
there's something to that. And I kind of felt that
in the moment of they were actually showing the TV
was actually showing George Springer like.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Dann, are you gonna come get him out? Are you
gonna You're gonna make a pitching change?

Speaker 6 (13:38):
I hope right, because he did not, Like I mean,
the last two times he faced him, he wore one
off the knee and then got struck out on three pitches,
looking horrendous, looking as bad as he's looked probably ever
in a postseason at bat. You know, there's things about
Brian Wu that are kind of surprised me as to
how dominant he is and can be with just his fastball.

(14:03):
But I think it's there's something about the arm angle,
and there's something about the late life on it, and
there's something about how he hides it a little bit
because it makes it.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
He makes it look like it's really hard, really hard
to hit.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
And obviously it is and and and so yeah, there's
questions to be had there there, and unfortunately there are
questions that will never know an answer to.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
That's the thing exactly about it that sometimes he stays in.
He gives up a home run to George Spring, you.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
Know, yeah, and you know, well, and you know, you
bring in a guy that's been pretty damn nails for you,
and you know there's a chance that he gets out
of that situation too. And so I just it didn't
happen last night, and unfortunately we have to kind of
live with it. But yeah, the the questions, I mean,
you know, I think Dan Wilson said we were listening

(14:49):
to his press conference last night a little bit during
the post game show, and he's like, you make decisions,
and you live with the decisions you make. And and
so I think that a lot of times in playoff Bay,
you want to be a little bit preemptive, right during
the regular season, you'd let things ride a little bit,
you kind of kind of let it breathe and see
what your guys can do to get out of it.

(15:11):
Typically in the postseason you want to make sure that
you don't you're not a batter too late, and so
I think that's probably where they They're right, here's our
game plan, and if we're going to make adjustments, it's
going to try to be a little bit preemptive on it.
And I just now, yeah, I really really wish we
would have been able to see what Brian wu could

(15:31):
do against George Springer there. But that's there's a part
of that, even though I was thinking in the moment,
there's still is part of it. My feeling with it
right now most certainly is based on the way in
which the outcome happened.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
And I think that's the problem first year manager and
Dan Wilson, who I thought the speed of the game
kind of did haunt him during the course of the year,
and it certainly gets ramped up in the playoffs, and
it absolutely gets ramped up in a Game seven. But
I think they had a game plan, and I think
he's stuck with a game plan, and where would that
plan be in case the game plan has to adjust

(16:03):
on the fly. I mean football coaches have to do
this all the time. Right. Oh wait a minute, you're
showing this look now, even though I wanted to run
this play and you can call an audible at some point,
what was wrong with getting Munjos and Bizardo ready? What
was wrong with that? It's as if we had a
game plan and he just went out there to execute
the game plan. If Wu gets in any trouble or

(16:26):
if Kirby gets in any trouble mid inning, we're bringing Inspire.
He was standing up ready to go. Then we're going
to go to Wu. If Wu gets into any trouble
and first and second nobody out, or second and third
one out because they kept him in for the sack
bunt uh, then we're going to Bizardo and then we're
going to go for Munjos to close it out. Like
if anything, that I would criticize because going to Bizardo

(16:49):
should not be something that Marin or fans are furious about.
He was really good all year long. He was good
every outing. He was outstanding. I mean we were talking
about him in the last year. Is the sung hero
of this team, and yet I still don't view him
as one of our top two dudes coming out of
the bullpen and in the biggest at bat of the

(17:11):
entire year. If you would have told me we were
going to go to Bizardo to face George Springer with
the with the World Series on the line at the
beginning of the year, I would have probably had you
submitted somewhere, you know, yeah, like committed to you know,
a straight jacket for the rest of your life. No
way was that ever going to happen. And and yet

(17:34):
he kind of painted himself into that corner of I
don't have anybody else loose, I gotta go with Bizardo
here because that's the game plan that we came in with.
To me, after thinking about it for a while, if
that's the corner that you painted yourself in, to me,
Brian Wu is the better operator in that situation, and
you should have just rowed that out. But that's a

(17:57):
little bit of hindsight. Yeah, certainly in the moment, I
felt Munho should be up and ready in case. But
if you didn't go that direction, then maybe you let
your best pitcher see if he can at least get
Springer out in that situation.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
Well, and what about the idea of just intentionally walking
Springer too? I mean I saw a lot of people
asking that question, like why. I mean even it was
I think the analyst said that before they when they
were taking Wu out and Springer was due up, they
were saying, do you think the Marriagers are going to
intentionally walk Springer here?

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I don't like that idea at all because there was
only one out. So if you walk him, okay, you
get Lucas to come to the plate, but then you've
got Guerrero. I mean they came into the game wondering
if we should pitch to Guerrero at all. Yeah, so
you certainly aren't going to risk loading the bases for
him in the seventh inning with the game on the line.

(18:52):
And he didn't exactly look off his game last night.
He didn't get struck out once, but he nearly took
the head off of Randy A. Roseerena and has lasted past. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Yeah, I think that that's I mean, maybe it would
have worked because you're at that point, if you're walking Springer,
you're showing him the respect that he deserves because he
as much as I can't stand the guy. He's damn
good in the postseason, and and he was good there.
Obviously the moment's never too big for him. And yet
you're basically saying, God, I hope we get a double

(19:24):
play here. Otherwise you're brilling bringing lad into the equation.
And if I have to pick my poison, I don't care.
Even in hindsight, George Springer goes yard and you know,
basically propels them to win. I still am picking George
Springer that I'm going after.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
George Springer who clearly couldn't put weight on his back leg.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
Yeah yeah, look like you put enough weight on it
there in that swing.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah uh yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
It's again that that's the part. That's the thing that sucks,
whether you're a fan or whether you're a player, is
the decisions, the actions, the way in which you play,
the opportunities missed that you never get to do over again.
You never get to know what would have happened if
we did this, or if I would have done that,
or none of it matters. You just basically find yourself

(20:14):
on the outside looking in, three innings away from punching
your ticket to the World Series. And it stings. And
so I mean the pain's real. I think the players
feel it, we as fans feel it, and unfortunately we
got to wait until this time next year to try
to redo it.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
All right, we got four hours to discuss it. We
will talk some Seahawks football today as well. That's pretty
much the game plan for US today, and we probably
won't adjust on the fly either. Let's find out what's
on tap for today's show.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Well, what's on TEP, what's on top?

Speaker 3 (20:47):
One last session with Ryan Healey his thoughts here today
at eight thirty. Even though I do believe we found
a friend of the program, and who knows, maybe we'll
hear from more of Ryan throughout the offseason. He's been
terrific through the postseason four US, so we'll have a
chat with him about the season coming to a close
at eight thirty today. The World Series will start on Friday.
I'm not really sure I'm gonna watch. I don't know.

(21:09):
I don't have any interest as of right now. That's
what I said.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
I was last night.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
I was like, I have no interest in watching the
World Series. That all my mom goes, yes, you will,
because you'll have to talk about it at work. I said, no,
we don't.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, I don't think we will. We can read the highlights.
As much as I want to see Show Aotani, I
just can't get enough of watching Show Aotani. I really
at this stage have no interest in this Monday Night football.
Seahawks twenty seven to nineteen winners over the Houston Texans
last night. Monday Morning quarterback session today from nine to
ten with Hugh Millen, so we will discuss that Seahawks

(21:38):
enter the bye week with a five and two record,
which is tied for the second best record in the
entire NFC right now, So Seahawks enter the bye week
on a really strong note. We'll talk about that. Also.
Greg Bell joins this at seven oh five. Lions won
over the Buccaneers last night twenty four to nine, both
of those teams five and two on the year as well.

(21:59):
Husky host Illinois Saturday at twelve thirty. Intimidating. I know,
to face a powerhouse like that, just one hundred years
of just nothing but dominance. But you will do their
best against the Orange and Blue crack and fall to
the Flyers last night five to two. It's their first
outright loss of the entire season. They will be back

(22:20):
in action tonight against the Washington Capital, so back to
back road games. They'll start that at four o'clock. Sounders
will take on Minnesota United to start the MLS playoffs,
or at least their MLS playoff Monday at six o'clock.
And believe it or not, the NBA season tips off
tonight on NBC and Peacock Houston at Oklahoma City and

(22:42):
Golden State at the Lakers, the two games being played
this evening in the National Basketball Association. We're not going
to talk about it, Mariners morning after his next sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM headlines at seven plus.

(23:13):
You got Greg Bell at seven five to recamp last
night Seahawks win over the Texans. We will talk more
Seahawks with Hugh Millen today at nine o'clock. We'll have
an hour long Monday morning quarterback session. Of course, so
we are obsessed right now with talking Marinders baseball. The
team eliminated from the playoff picture last night in crushing fashion.
They came within three innings of making it to the

(23:35):
World Series. But I tell you what, if anything, my
love for Josh Naylor grew last night. Yes, I'm with
everybody else that that's priority number one this offseason for
the Mariners to bring that first baseman back. My goodness, Bucky,
I've never seen this happen before. We were taught as
old kids. Anybody that's ever played shortstop or second base

(23:58):
at a level higher than Little League, you were always taught,
Oh yeah, go ahead and throw it side arm it.
You got to get that runner down. He'll go down.
Don't worry. He doesn't want to get hit in the
face unless your name is Josh Naylor. Josh Naylor decided
I'm going to take one in the back of the
skull if I have to, because they tell me I'm

(24:18):
supposed to get down on this play not written anywhere
that I got to slide here. So I'm just gonna
take one on the back of the skull here if
I have to. That and just some clever defensive plays
last night. He had an RBI single in the game
last night. I was wanting him to get to the
plate in the ninth because I was just sure he
was going to come through for the team in the situation,

(24:39):
and he ended up, you know, second in the hole
that inning. But I mean, Josh Naylor did everything that
you want a leader and a ballplayer to do in
that situation.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
Yeah, well you nailed it with the ballplayer. I mean,
that's what he is. He's a ballplayer. He goes out there,
he understands. It doesn't mean he's going to be perfect,
but more often than not, gonna get the proper approach.
As much as people maybe get sick of hearing me
say it, it's it's what makes you a good baseball
player is having a good approach. You can have all
the tools in the world, and he doesn't have all

(25:11):
the tools in the world. He obviously has good eyes,
good hands, good eye hand coordination, got a little bit
of pop and and but how does a guy that
is the second slowest guy in Major League Baseball still
thirty bases because he has instincts, he has a feel
for the game. He understands the game that I mean
the rule you don't have to get down, you just

(25:32):
when he jumps, then you're interfering with the throw. And
so I wasn't thinking that it should have been called.
And yet once you kind of think about the letter
of the law, then yeah, that's that's interference, I guess.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
But it's one of those because I mean, you'd but
you know, what though. I mean, he was there, they
were dead in the water. That was gonna be a
double playball, and here's somebody that says, I'm not gonna
get down.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
Just see what happens.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, let's see what happens, you know, because there's not
a rule that says you have to slide in that situation.
But the umpires do have the right to gather together
and try to determine whether or not you did intentionally
try to interfere with the path of the ball, which
he did. But he was just like, I don't care.
I'll take one of the back of the skull just
for the chance to break this thing up. I mean,

(26:16):
who doesn't want that guy on your team?

Speaker 6 (26:17):
Yeah, well if you don't, then I don't want you
as a fellow fan of my team. That's the exact
I mean, honestly, if you're like, that's just reckless, that's
a reckless play.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
But I don't like it at all, then beat it.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
I think that's one of the things that made me sad.
I mean, I was just sad in general that it
was over. But I thought, oh, please, don't let this
be the last time we see Josh Naylor in a
Mariner's uniform and we'll see.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
I mean he does have the I mean, you do
work hard your entire life for this moment to reach
free agency, to have success at the major league level,
and to see what you're worth on the open market.
And maybe he'll take the highest bidder. And if he does,
it might not be the Mariners. They haven't exactly shown
the pension for, you know, bidding the highest. But Buck
and I were talking about it last night. I would

(27:03):
have had a five year, ninety million dollar contract sitting
in his lap on the plane ride home if I
were the Mariners. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
The more I thought about that, I don't think that'd
be enough. I think he wist certainly. I mean you'd
have to kind of blow his socks off if you're
going to try to get him. It might have to
be twenty five million a year. And for what it's worth, there's.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
The market value, says fifteen a year. I was giving
him nineteen.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't be surprised if somebody wants
to pay him over twenty or eighteen, just whatever it is.
I mean, he's gonna test free agency. I have a
feeling because I don't see the Mariners coming out and
just given something that's above market value, above what they
think he's worth or what they're willing to pay. That's

(27:47):
maybe that might have been the reason why I woke
up even more sad than than I was last night,
was because it was to me, it's kind of setting in. Well, see,
I hope they do it, Stanton do it. That's a dude.
I mean I saw a picture you guys celebrating after
winning Game five against Detroit.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I saw you guys, and I think that they would
like to.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
I just know that they don't end up kind of
just pulling out all the stops and making it happen.
If you think that's a guy a straw that stirs
the drink, and he most certainly is that.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Well a lot of time talking about here in the
coming months, But I would say he doesn't strike me
as the guy that's taking the highest bid. It strikes
me as the guy like I want to go where
I want to be and then hopefully they don't offer
me an insulting contract, right, and I think that that
could happen here in Seattle. So just don't insult him

(28:37):
with your offer, and I think that he'll be a
Marender for the next five years. That's what I think, may.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
About what you'd pay him. And then add.

Speaker 7 (28:45):
Exactly exact you we're gonna pay him is probably gonna
be insulting.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
So just add five million. Yeah, so take the market
I did. I took the market value, and then I
gave him three million more per year over the course
of five years. And so that's I'm going to dangle
that in front of him and see if he bites.
All right, headline some Greg Bell Neck Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 8 (29:05):
And now probably the final play of the quarter is
a first down and ten at the eleven, Donald under center.
He's got Walker behind him, motion three steps to his left.
Darnald to throw on first down, looking for the end zone.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Calls get step in.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Jackbow with the catch, and then he slams the football
over the upright to celebrate the touchdown. Thirteen nothing Seattle.
The flags fly for the dunk of the football over
the gold post, but Jackson Smith and Jigba does not

(29:41):
care at all.

Speaker 8 (29:42):
His fourth touchdown catch of the year had a fifteen
yard penalty for the slam dunk. Second down and goal
from the two a minute to play, third quarter offsetbacks,
this time Arroyo in motion to turn and to give
to Charbonnet stutter step kind of.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Burst hto they in sold for a Seattle touchdown twenty
six to twelve.

Speaker 8 (30:07):
Seattle as Sex sharpaay first over the left side for six.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Good Tuesday morning to you all. Chuck Powle, Buggy, Jacobson,
Ashley Ryan with you and yes, I understand why Ashley
played football highlights coming out of the break. Seahawks do
win last night by a final score twenty seven to
nineteen over the Texans. Moved to five and two before
the bye. Jackson, Smith and Jigba another big game, eight catches,
one hundred and twenty three yards and a touchdown. We'll

(30:40):
talk with Greg Bell here in no matter seconds about
what he saw last night on Monday Night Football. The
Lions also played on Monday Night Football, and one over
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers by a final score of twenty
four to nine. Husky's a host Illinois Saturday at twelve
thirty part of our frost Brewed Corps light Choose headlines

(31:01):
before we get to Greg crack and fall to the
Flyers first real loss of the year, five to two
to the Flyers. Joey Decord did not have it last night.
Team will play again tonight at Washington. They'll drop the
pucket four o'clock. Sounders will be starting their playoff round
Monday evening six o'clock in Minnesota against Minnesota United. Speaking

(31:22):
of starting, the NBA season gets started tonight with two
games Houston at OKC and Golden State at the Lakers.
Lebron will not play in that game. The games will
be on NBC and Peacock and of course Major League Baseball.
The Mariners lose to the Toronto Blue Jays, the fall
one game shy of the World Series, really three innings

(31:43):
shy of the World Series, a three run bottom of
the seventh home run from all people, George Springer, the
difference in the game crushing laws certainly for the city,
for the clubhouse. And we of course aren't celebrating today
instead wringing our hands a little bit. We will talk

(32:04):
a lot about it throughout the course of our day together.
But right now, let's bring in Greg Bell.

Speaker 9 (32:09):
Yeah. I made it worse, didn't it. That they were
leading and in control of the game and winning their
way with pitching and home runs, and it was just
lining up there and yeah, I'm sure you're already discussing Bizardo.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Over oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. What was your
biggest takeaway from it all last night from what you
could see as you were doing your main job.

Speaker 9 (32:34):
Yeah, I had most of my attention on the Mariners, honestly,
and I missed most of the game right below me.
Such a unique situation. That whole thing for the hour
and a half was just I've never been in something
like that, But at the time, I thought they should
have kept Woo and he just struck out Springer the
previous at bat. I know there was all kinds of

(32:57):
analytics that they rely on about second and third time
through orders with pitchers usually second in the relief game,
and I think they were too wedded to that, And
sometimes you just gotta trust your eyes and your gut
and go with the all star starter instead of a
I know Bizardo's had a really out of nowhere season

(33:17):
and been very good for them, but he really probably
is your fifth or sixth best option of everybody on
the pitching staff, including starters including Las Castillo and Bryce Miller,
who were in play as well. Wouldn't mind seeing Monios
in that situation. I mean, that's the top of the
order with tu On in the World Series at stake,
So what it's the seventh ending, right, And that's not

(33:40):
we said it. I said it in the press box
to everybody sitting next to me. I said, what are
they doing? Not bizarre, not bizardo. Uh yeah, just that
was my reaction. But it was, like I said, it
was they still overswing, Yeah, who they are, But it

(34:02):
was working the two lightning strikes with home runs and pitching,
and they were the blueprint to winning was there. And
that's really frustrating. And I feel for all the Mariner
fans in the Pacific Northwest, and if you can take
a step back, this really was a special season. They
don't get to the World Series, only two do and

(34:22):
they still haven't gone. But I still contend that the
Geno Grand Slam will go down in Seattle Sports lower
history and be the memory of this postseason run that
they were on. And they still did something no manner
team's done, and around here that's that's something.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah. I mean, it was an unfortunate way for it
to end, but it is what it is. I mean,
it was lucky.

Speaker 9 (34:46):
What would you have done?

Speaker 3 (34:47):
In that situation, would I would have left wo Win
to pitch to Springer.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
I mean, it's we've talked about it already, but the
idea of if hitters get ready to walk up to
the dish and he sees them, manager come out and
take out a guy that made me look silly bat before,
I'm probably going I don't care who you bring in,
but I'm happy that you're not leaving him in. And so,
I mean, the unfortunate part, that's the part that sucks

(35:13):
the most is the wondering what if And I mean,
in an alternate universe, Bizarreta comes in there and punches
out Springer, and you know, and however, it unfolds a
different way and we're talking about something different.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
But it didn't.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
They didn't execute, and the Toronto Blue Jays did over
the course of seven games.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
More so Springer of all people, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
I mean, just.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Creg Bell is with us, our Seahawks insider. He also
doubled throughout the postseason, following the Mariners through the playoffs
as well for the News Tribune, and so we have
been talking with him Mariners Baseball just about every segment,
as well as Seahawks football here for the last couple
of weeks. But we did have a victory last night
on the grid iron. Last night Loomanfield awking for the

(36:01):
Seahawks win over the Houston Texans, Jackson Smith and Jig
but just incredible again. Eight catches, one hundred and twenty
three yards a touchdown. He is one hundred and ninety
yards above Jamar Chase for first place in receiving yards
in the National Football League. I mean, are we talking
about having the best receiver in the NFL? Is that
how special this guy is turning out to.

Speaker 9 (36:22):
Beat At the moment, Yeah, I mean you can probably
argue Justin Jefferson Jamar Chase over the Aggrey of the
longer haul and proven over time. But over the seven
games of this season, yes, we are home to the
best NFL's best receiver. He's getting open no matter what.
Last night, Houston had cloud coverage of the safety over

(36:43):
the top and the core underneath. Sometimes they just flat
out doubled him. He beats him inside, he beats him outside,
He beats him on fourth and one, he beats him
on first and ten, and Darnold realizes it and he
looks for him all the time. I mean sudden change
play deep down the field shot to Smith and Jigba
fourth and one, a roll out the tight end in

(37:05):
the flat. He doesn't throw to Barner, he throws ten
fifteen yards behind him in the same direction. On a
boot leg to the left, he goes for the deeper
option of eighteen yards. I asked Donald after the game
specifically about that play in the fourth quarter, because almost
every NFL quarterback will just dump it into the flat
for a safe couple of yard gain on fourth and short,

(37:28):
and Donald told me he surmised as he looked at
Barner that he thought the linebacker was going to tackle
him immediately upon the catch, and in Donald's destination, he
wasn't sure that it would have been to the line
the game for the first down. It was that close
to him, So he went for the surer thing, and
that's how he said, that's my progression, but that's how
good Smith and Jigba is. The surer thing is a

(37:50):
twenty yard pass instead of a two yard pass. That's
how good Smith and Jigbait has been. And my favorite
moment once middle the second quarter turned my attention to
the game. I'm actually being paid to cover was when
Smith and Jigger got stiff armed by Stingley after Stingley
intercepted the pass in the fourth quarter and popped his

(38:12):
helmet off, but Smith and Jig was six foot two
hundred pounds, kept playing through the play, pushed Stingley out
of bounds without his helmet on. And then Hatless was
on the Texans bench with forty five Texans around him
and nobody else. There was no Sea Yorks anywhere near,
and the Texans are going to take some shots there,

(38:33):
and one of them did. A linebacker pushes him into
the really hard too, from the middle of the the
middle of the sideline into the bench and literally onto
the Texans bench. And he was just sitting there without
his helmet on. It was like a junkyard dog was
cornered by every other junkyard dog in the city and
he was up against the fence. He's just sitting there

(38:55):
on the bench without a helmet on, with about forty
Texans surrounding him. He just sat there, smarting, like he
was in a park on Sunday, worrying, and didn't do anything,
didn't react, did nothing, just sat there. And then I
thought Nathan Jones, the field judge, the UNFL official came
over and did great preventive officiating. You know if he

(39:15):
saw it, he just hugged him, human shielded him. Yeah,
and leaned his body into the bench over at Smith
and Jigba so that the players couldn't get to him,
and then cool their heads fatailed that after they a.
MacDonald said that he thought Smith and Jigba was amazingly
poised in that situation that a lot of players would
snapped back and that had been a big fricus and

(39:36):
he would have been outnumbered and potentially injured. He said
it was a scary had scene to see his star
receiver without a helmet on the other sideline and Smith
and Jigger just calmly something say yeah, I'm cool, and
just he laughed after the game and say.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah I can face that. That's no problem.

Speaker 9 (39:50):
But he did do right and not reacting there and
diffused the whole thing.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
Yeah, Greg, guy, I mean that we've talked and us
talked a lot about the run game and then the
knee to establish it, they rushed for what one hundred
and eighteen yards and so was it a highly effective
run game that then helped set up the past game
when Sam Donald did decide to look at Jackson Smith
and Jigbuck.

Speaker 9 (40:13):
No, I don't think so, Bucky. I thought it was
another game where the numbers belive what actually happened and
what it felt like the game went in running the ball,
and after the game, McDonald said as much. He said,
we're still searching. In the run game, their longest most
effective run was called back by a holding penalty on
Charles Cross. I believe it was in the second half.

(40:35):
They couldn't wouldn't at times get Kenneth Walker going. I
know they're on a plan set out a thousand times.
I mentioned how Walker as a foot issue to trying
to maintain him and play all seventeen games. But how
they're doing it with Charbona and Walker. It's weird how
they'll just go Casper mode with Kenneth Walker in the
middle of drives that he seems to be effective on

(40:58):
a couple of good runs and he's out and you're like,
wait a minute, a third and short, why is not
Walker in there? And Charboney runs into a wall of everybody,
even some Charvonay's first touchdown, he got stacked up with
the four yard line and he got pushed across the
goal line by about six of his teammates for a touchdown,
once from the four to the zero to the goal

(41:20):
line for a touchdown. McDonald's keeps saying, and Kobiac keeps
saying to us that, you know, Charbone just doesn't have
running lines to run to, which is why his yards
per carry have been over the season so much below Walker's.
And it seems to be true every time, almost every
time he gets the ball, he's got nothing. He's got

(41:40):
three or four guys in his face. The difference is Walker,
when he gets that will at least get you some
yards or back to the line of scrimmays miraculously sometimes
because of elusiveness, and Charbonney doesn't seem to have that.
I know why they're doing it, but if it were me,
I would use Walker more consistently through drives, through red
zones and even on some downplays than they've been using him.

(42:02):
But they have a longer plan that they're sticking with.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Greg Bell is with us, our Seahawks insider from the
News Tribune. You can follo him at g bel Seattle
on X. What does it say about a Mike McDonald
team to be five and two going into the break
beat on Monday Night football A pretty good I mean
a great defensive team in Houston by eight points, even
though you lost the turnover battle minus three.

Speaker 9 (42:23):
Yeah, that was They are still prone, including Sam Donald
as as good as he's been to not taking care
of the football as much as I mean, he can't
lose the ball in the end zone when you're that
safety or excuse me, a touchdown. It being a touchdown
because he dropped the ball would have been a safety
on the sack and the end zone. In the second half,
that was on Donald. He had a pocket. Charles Cross

(42:47):
was blocking Will Anderson's right below us in the press box,
and Cross was winning the one on on. He was
stonewalling Anderson, and Donald had a receiver out in the flat.
It was a secondary read, it wasn't a primary. But
in that situation and in your own end zone, get
rid of the ball. And Donald said as much afterwards,

(43:10):
but insteaden it wasn't as Donald just didn't get rid
of the ball. He didn't. He ran outside the pocket,
outside of where Anderson was still a wall by Cross,
and Anderson saw it, and Cross didn't realize it, and
then Anderson just disengaged from Cross and ran outside away
from Cross blocking him, and Donald ran right into the sack.

(43:30):
If Donald had stayed inside of Cross where Cross was
winning the battle, there is no sack there. So Donald
ran into that sack. And you can't run into the
sack in your own end zone, especially then you can't
lose the ball. And so that's another example of in
a situation where the ball is premium around either goal line,
you can't lose it. And that's twice now in this season.

(43:53):
Of course, the forty nine Ers game when Poster knocked
the right tackle Abe Lucas into Sam Dornan with thirty
seconds left the game and Darnald lose the ball. You
just can't do that. You're gonna throw interceptions when you throw,
as much as teams do in the NFL, but you
just can't lose the ball in your own end zone.
And they've got to be concerned about that, the quarterback
losing the ball in those situations around the goal line.

(44:16):
But you're right, that's telling it to me. The game,
the story of the game was the defense. To me,
that was a twenty seven to twelve or twenty seven
to even sixth game. They should have enough twenty one
three at halftime, and they gave away two six point
swings at the end of the first half with the
block field goal and then the turnover and the silly
Cooper cup end a round pass that I asked McDonald,

(44:38):
he said, yeah, we're gonna put that in the freezer.
Couple was really upset about that playoff game. He wanted
nothing to do with talk about that. He's usually really
affable and we'll talk about anything. He said, I want
to talk about that terrible play by me. I don't
want talk about them. He's already said enough. But yeah,
they handed him six points to get back in the game.
At halftime, it was fourteen to six because of these

(44:58):
handed them two field goals at the end of the
They were sloppy, but their defense to me dominate the game.
They had a meeting night before they always have a
team meeting, and the defense got together and said, we
want to play to our standard, and our standard is
to be the best defense in the NFL. Er As
Jones said after the game, that was their mantra. That's
what they've set as a goal since the first day

(45:19):
of OTAs and the Tampa Bay game has stung them.
Since the Tampa Bay game, they have dominated two foes
and basically given up twelve points in each game except
for the garbage time touchdown to the end last night,
so the reveddicated themselves to being better. They would not
let the Texans in the end zone for most of
that game until two minutes left. They got two goal

(45:42):
on stands and tyle Cotta leaping in the end zone
to block down a pass, the best play as a Seahawk,
the third down stop by Bayern Murphy, the fourth down stop,
the fourth and short by DeMarcus Lawrence, and successive plays.
They were stingy. That wasn't the best offense in the NFL,
but they played last night. But they held another opponent
under sixty yards rushing second in the league and rush defense.

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And that's allowing our pass rush to get coin.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Five turnovers, two hundred yards worth of penalties, four for
twenty nine on third down. Sounds like a good game
to have missed. You know, if I was gonna miss
a Seahawks game, maybe that's the one I should have missed.
That's that sounds like an ugly night and you're just
happy to get the w all right, Greg, Well, we'll
have all week to discuss this now, we'll do a

(46:26):
roundtable on Thursday. We'll bring that back this week and
everything else. So we'll let you go for now. But
thank you, sir, great stuff, as always appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (46:35):
Sorry at the Pacific Northwest. That was a fun marin
a riot and they always do it and suddenly don't.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yeah, no doubt, all right, Greg Bell our Seahawks inside
of joining us right here on Chucking Buck, you can
follow at GBL Seattle and of course follow his coverage
at Thenewstribune dot com. Factor Fiction coming up at seven
thirty five plus cal Rally. You got to hear the
audio from him last night after the game Sports Radio
ninety three point three K A R F M. Well,

(47:05):
throughout this Major League Baseball postseason, we have had the
joy of getting to know and having analyze our Mariners
for US former Mariner Ryan Healey, He's joined the conversation
almost I think, after every single game so far in
this postseason, and so we talked to him about the

(47:26):
final game of the year, which is said to say, good.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Morning, Ryan, good morning man. How are we doing today?

Speaker 3 (47:32):
I'm doing all right. I want to lead you in
any direction, like your big takeaway. As you start thinking
about the Mariners this morning, what pops into your mind?

Speaker 10 (47:43):
What a season, what a series and such fight, so
many things that you could analyze, kind of pitch by
pitch by any player by player. For me, though, trying
to zoom out a little bit and look at just
the body of work with this whole seas and I
mean that that game was a pitch away. Yeah, I

(48:05):
mean give us the idea that he freeze up, got
a freeze up?

Speaker 6 (48:11):
Yeah, he can really, boy, he can really stand still.
Oh there he's back, he's moving. Hey, it's too early
for your internet again.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
I told you it's nine a m.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (48:23):
So what I was saying is that the body of work,
though of just this season and also the series, their
ability to bounce back from adversity. Game seven, they responded
really early, scoring the run there the nailor singled RBI
after the double from Julio. I saw them bounce back
and really controlled that game. Disappointing how it ended, but
really proud of how this team conducted themselves.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
Yeah, I mean I think that you know, there's a
lot of there's a lot of pain in this fan base.
Based on the way things have gone, and unfortunately the
last night kind of adds to it a little bit.
But I'd love you to give your perspective on how
you win and you lose as a team, because there's
a lot of blame gonna be thrown around, right, and
questions and criticisms are valid. And yet the idea of

(49:07):
when you're in that locker room, when you're in that clubhouse,
when you're on that field and the manager's like, all right,
let's go bizarro, get us out of this, or let's
do this to whomever.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Hey, Revos, you're in the game.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
We thanks for that double you hit, and you've grinded
out some AB's whatever the case may be, how do
you feel when you come up on the losing end
of things and there's questions and yet as a team,
you're gonna win some and you're gonna lose some, but
you're always gonna.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Do it as a squad.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
It's a great question, Bucky. I said this early on.

Speaker 10 (49:36):
I believe in the Alds series about how I love
watching betteran managers conduct themselves in moments of defeat because
for me, you can really see what type of leader
you have there and my show prep this morning was
watching Dan Wilson interviews. I wanted to see the questions
he was getting asked how he was able to respond
to those questions because I knew what they were gonna
be about. It's gonna be about the pitching decision late

(49:56):
in the game, the ones swing to change the game,
and I thought that the way he navigated the answer
was exactly how he navigated the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (50:03):
He chose the players that got him there, the guys
that he relied on. There was no panic.

Speaker 10 (50:08):
There was no oh, this guy had a tough inning,
like yesterday, I got to go try someone else now
like there was no panic decisions made.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
It was complete conviction in his players, and whether.

Speaker 10 (50:19):
They succeeded or failed, he had the confidence in them
to come through in that spot because they've done it
all season long. And there was so many moments throughout
that Game seven last night when I was watching it,
when man, this storyline is perfect for the Mariners back
up against the wall once again this season. They're gonna
come through for us, and for the first time all
season long, they didn't, And unfortunately the spot was in

(50:39):
the Game seven and alcs and that hurts a lot.
But this fan base has been on this journey for
a long time with this team, and you saw the
emotion on the player's face.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
They care.

Speaker 10 (50:47):
Man, then if there's never a question if they do
or don't. But you saw they got to taste of
it and they wanted it, and that those emotions are
going to feel them even further to get past this
hurdle next year.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Well, I can appreciate your appreciation for how Dan Wilson
handled it in the post game. But that said, I
know you were sitting there armchair managing just like all
the rest of us. Did he make the right move?
How would you have?

Speaker 10 (51:11):
What I don't like about this question, Chuckie, and I
understand it has to be asked, is that the end
result is already determined, so now it's so much easier
of an opinion. But I'll be honest with you because
that's my job as an analyst. Is when I saw
Bizard to win there, I was really hoping to see
Munyos in that spot. Do I understand why he made
the spot after or the decision after seeing the postgame interview? Yes,

(51:33):
I do, and I appreciate it. You're the manager, You've
earned the right to make those decisions, but as a
fan and someone that really want to see the scene succeed,
I thought that was an opportunity to bring Munyas in
early and stretch him out, and it didn't happen. But
we don't know if the result would have been different
even if Munyos was there.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
Yeah, I'm with you, Okay, is there an idea that
if you were if you had that hat on? And
again I agree that it feels superficial to say the
the conversation after knowing the outcome, and yet in the
midst of it, we were all having that same thing
of man, should Munnos being there, should Brash be in there?

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Or should Woo?

Speaker 6 (52:09):
Considering how bad he made Springer look and he hit
him in the knee and then he diced him up
on three straight pitches the previous time, I'm thinking that
that George Springer is taking a siaryleaf when he's seeing
anybody else come in from the bullpen. Considering how the
previous at Batwin is there a part of you there
was like, dude, he can pitch out of this jam.
You're bringing in a guy that's been doing good for

(52:31):
us all season long, and Bizardo and he's used to,
you know, pitch him with guys on base. But that's
Brian Wu. That's an all star. That's maybe been our
most solid dude on the bump all year long. There's
no maybe about it.

Speaker 10 (52:43):
Brian Wu's been the best picture on this Maror's pitching
staff in he does twenty five, no question. He just
sat thought the way that he came back and the injury,
and he is a saint. He came out of the
bullpens twice for us, and he filled the zone up.
It was coming out of his hand really clean. There
was a lot of conversation in the Dodgers Brewer series,
especially when Blake Snell went eight innings in Game one
and then Yamamoda went nine innings in Game two, And

(53:04):
there's a psychological aspect as a hit or to that
when a starting pitcher is just in a groove and
you're able to get them out of the game. I
don't care if eraald As Chapman is coming in or
if the best pitch in the world is coming in,
Like it's just not the guy that had my number today.
I can at least compete against him. So there is
some of that psychological that I'm sure that Springer had of, Like, man,
I'm kind of happy Wuo isn't in there, because that

(53:26):
sinker he's gonna throw under my hands again because his
game plan is he's got to push me off the plate,
and last time he did that, he threw ninety six
or ninety seven off my right knee cap and that's
still hurts. So yeah, maybe there's some psychological with that,
But we have to also trust the medical staff and
the coaching staff was analyzing how Wu was doing, and
you know, maybe they didn't want to push him in

(53:46):
that moment because the future of Brian Wu was bigger
than that one pitch that won a bat Really hard
to digest the thought of that, though, at this point
in time, I.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Gotta get your thoughts on this. It ended up not
being that impactful of a play in the game, but
Bucky loved it. Every former player that I've heard talk
about this is just like going crazy over this moment,
Josh Naylor deciding not to slide and taking one to
the noggin. Well, as a former player, what did you

(54:16):
think of that play from him? I was actually in
the batting cage.

Speaker 10 (54:21):
I was there last night with a bunch of hitters,
and one of my my good buddies was actually there
with us, just kind of hanging out, dropping some knowledge
in the guys, and he looked at me and goes,
that's the most Josh Naylor play I've ever seen in.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
My entire life, and I love it. He kind of
like duffs his head.

Speaker 10 (54:35):
But then he jumps up into the ball, and I'm like,
the worst worst case in aarios. He used to kind
of kill the momentum. You stop the game for a
little bit. Did everyone's chance to breathe while they review it?
But man, what just what an old school baseball player
that really had people chuckling and confused of what what's
the results of this?

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Yeah, he just decided. I mean they always tell us
if he played me on Little League that just throw
it right at his head. He'll get down. And Naylor's like,
I'm not gonna get down. Oh, there's no rule that
I have to slide. They still called him for interference,
which I think was the right thing to do, but yes,
for him to just say in that moment, I'll take
one to the head. I don't care. See if I

(55:11):
can get a play here and he was smart enough
to turn his back to the ball so that it
didn't get him in the face. Even that, even Naylor's
intelligence was on display in that moment.

Speaker 10 (55:22):
It would have at a next level if he was like, man,
I could really use some new veneers this offseason. So
I'm actually not gonna turn my head. I'm like, it's
baseball because I need some new show chips.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Chips. And how disappointing was it just you know, as
you're rooting there for the Mariners you got cal Raley
on deck. I just kept thinking the same the whole time,
like he's gonna get in it bat it's the era
of cow We're gonna pull this thing off and he's
gonna put on the cape one more time. How disappointing
was it for you that he never got into the
batter's box.

Speaker 10 (55:54):
As a baseball fan, you want to see that opportunity happen.
And I felt like there was there were pitches that
were non compared it from Hoffman there to to Rodriguez Julio.
There obviously a really tight slider along the way they
got Julio to expand, and you know that was a
tough one, just for the way that this season is
kind of unfolded in the role that Colis played for
this team in twenty twenty five. I would have loved

(56:16):
to have seen it, even if Cal strikes out the
end of the season, like I just would have loved
to have seen him in that in that moment with
the opportunity to tie the game or put us ahead.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
I think that Mariners fans deserved that. It was disappointing
out to see it.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Even if he didn't come through, it just felt like
the season should be in his hands at a good point. Yeah, well, man,
you've been awesome. Thank you very much. Don't go far.
I'm sure we're gonna be bugging the hell out of
you here in the off season. So we really appreciate it.
And I think you got a future in this business
if you do intend to pursue it, and and of

(56:49):
course we'll be bugging you whenever we get the opportunity.
So thank you very much. It's been outstanding to.

Speaker 10 (56:56):
You, Chuck, to you, Bucky, to you, actually, to the
Mariners fans out there that allow me the opportunity to
come on here, the producers at KJR, thank you so
much for the chance to come on this playoff journey.
It's been a lot of fun and the chance to
be so tightly wound into this sport again was a
real blessing. So thank you guys very much. All Right,
we'll be in touch you, all right.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Ryan Heley joining us right here on Chuck and Buck
coming up next. The m's future. Yeah, I'm gonna spend
five minutes on it. I know people don't want to
think about the future, but I think it's worth spending
five minutes on before we Monday Morning Quarterback at nine
o'clock on KJR.

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(58:18):
Now the Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike Holmgrin and Hugh Millin.
Here's Chucking buck.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Bright nine o'clock hour here on this Tuesday, we spent
three hours, you know, talking about the Mariners season coming
to a close. We reserve our last hour to talk
about Monday Night football. Seahawks went over the Houston Texans
twenty seven to nineteen, So we'll spend our final hour
this Tuesday with our favorite football analysts Hugh Mellon ur
QB one and also coach Mike Holmgren as well. Good morning, gentlemen,

(58:48):
Good morning, Good morning, Chuckin, Good morning. I didn't, you know,
with the baseball game on, I didn't spend a lot
of time watching this football game, So you bet my
eyes on this one, coach. One hundred and ninety eight
penalty yards, four turnovers by the Seahawks, and still they
managed to win by eight points despite going two for

(59:09):
fourteen on third down. Did I pick a good game
to miss if I was going to miss any I
think he did.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I think he really did. I every once in a while,
I'd switch on the Mariner game too. I kind of
going back and forth. And you know Kathy, you know,
for years she couldn't stay in the stadium and watch
us play because she took the game so seriously and
it hurt when we lost so and she couldn't watch
the Mariners. So I watched more of the football game

(59:37):
probably than you did. But I was going back and forth. Yeah,
the Texans weren't very impressive to me.

Speaker 9 (59:47):
Here.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
What stood out to you about that result last night?

Speaker 11 (59:50):
Well, I think going into the game, just knowing how
Houston was defensively number one in the NFL fewest points allowed,
less than a touchdown, more than a touchdown, less than
the Seahawks at just twelve points per game allowed, they
were top five and everything, so you kind of figured
that it was gonna be a little bit clunky and

(01:00:12):
inconsistent for the Seahawks offense. But I think that if
you look at what Seattle did defensively, if your opponent,
they're running backs, have fifteen carries for thirty one yards,
and you hold the opponent quarterback under a sixty passer rating,

(01:00:35):
that's going to be a formula to win a game,
even when you play ugly offensively.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
All right, well, so our defense played well and even
though the stats don't necessarily jump off the page, Hugh
and coach, you can answer this too. I mean it
looked Are you saying that our offense looked good or
just looked good against a good defense?

Speaker 11 (01:00:56):
You our offense, our offense, I think just looked inconsistent
against a very good defense. I think that they had
some of their best plays in the first quarter. Uh,
you know that play action, fake the stretch and get
and get Elijah Royal to stutter and then run up

(01:01:16):
the sideline they hit that you had to play with
with Cooper Cup he aligns in the left slot on
a play action. He kind of runs a shallow coss
from left to right, acting like he wants to block,
and then he emerges all the way to the other
side and then runs a go route up the right
sideline even though he had started on the left. I

(01:01:36):
think there were some plays like that and others Mike,
where you know you know this, coach, that you have
some plays you get, Man, I really love this. I
think this is gonna work. You know, it looks good
in practice, and then you have the impulse to to
get it on the script early or to call it early.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
They work and what have you.

Speaker 11 (01:01:56):
And and then you know, not that you shoot your wade,
but but maybe some of your best big plays you've
already used by the end of the first quarter. That
kind of how is how it played out to some
degree last night.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Yeah, I think that, you know, I was what kept
going through my mind is that without enjigma, what what
are we doing here? You know, because it was you know,
he was he was superb, he was really good. And
to be good like he is, you know, Sam has

(01:02:30):
to be throwing it on time and and and his
touchdown passed to him and he got hit right in
the face after after he threw the ball. Those things
got them the win. And you know, she was right.
The defensive guys, they they they got the win for

(01:02:51):
the team last night. And they're really good on defense,
and they're really good up front, and they have a
great middle linebacker right now. So that I think that's
going to be the formula. I think that's going to
be the formula for the rest of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
And I know you you've got some thoughts on this,
but let let me divert this to coach, first, how
do you reconcile that you have a red hot wide
receiver that apparently can't get covered, because you know, the
defenses are trying to stop a guy that has two
hundred more of your receiving yards than the second place
guy in the National Football League. With trying to balance

(01:03:27):
out this offense, coach going forward, because I'm pretty sure
you can't be just a one man attack.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
No, I don't think they are. I think there it's
kind of falling into place. But I blame the opposing
defense as good as Houston is on defense, and they're
secondary strong that they couldn't answer. They did not have
an answer for that. And that's what amazes me about
this young man. I mean, he's a really good receiver.

(01:03:57):
I don't think they call plays necessarily to get him
the ball, but their structure of their routes and so
on frees him up. There are certain things on play
action pass and then the crossers and think on the
deep cross that's for him, but he generally speaking, he
doesn't drop the ball. You know, he's very quick, He's
understands zone and man reads in there, so he gets open.

(01:04:20):
He has more room than a lot of receivers. So
you know, I can't say enough about him.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yeah, he even makes a fifteen yard penalty look cool.

Speaker 11 (01:04:32):
Well he's he's as we've talked about. I think his frame,
you know, at six', one a little over two hundred,
pounds he's a mid size guy with relatively short, legs
which which kind of prevents him from having elite long,
speed but it does allow him to have extreme. Quickness

(01:04:54):
HIS iq is off the, chain his, HANDS i mean
you you can't not distract. HIM i, mean he's gonna
land every plane when the ball's near. Him he tracks
the ball like an. Outfielder so there's so. Much but,
look they targeted him fourteen times last, night and the

(01:05:15):
other starting, Receiver Cooper cup was targeted.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
ONCE i just don't.

Speaker 11 (01:05:19):
THINK i just don't THINK i, would you, know discussed
this at length and the, postcame, well not at, length
but we touched on this last night That, MIKE i
JUST i don't think that the offense is going to
reach its.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Potential you, know the next closest.

Speaker 11 (01:05:35):
Guy was A royo with five, targets So injigba had
almost three times as. Much so so if we're if
we're talking about ways that we want to maximize the
potential of this. OFFENSE i don't think it's with this
balance distributing the ball in the passing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Game, YEAH i, THINK i, think AND i think you
have a very good point there because they need more.
Balance but you are going to throw two's. OPEN i
mean that's what you're taught to, do and he is
very very capable of getting.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
Open, yeah they can't cover, him might as well throw
it to. Him BUT i hear what you're saying. Too
you got to you find some other options so that
it's not so easy to game plan. ANYWAYS i, mean
typically if you lose the turnover battle four to, one
it doesn't usually work out in your. Favor that's a
pretty big, one pretty big no. No and So i'm, wondering,
coach how did you like The cooper cup passer up fourteen?

(01:06:25):
Zip and they're, like, hey let's try some trick.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Play do you like?

Speaker 7 (01:06:28):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
NO i, didn't BUT i wasn't a big trick play.
Person but but you, know you, know he called, it
And i'm surprised That cooper he threw. It you, know
it wasn't. Working they didn't. Bite this receiver was covered
even if the throw has been. Good so at that

(01:06:49):
stage of the game and how they were, PLAYING i
was very surprised by that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Play how do you Reconcile sam's night last? NIGHT i,
mean he played well at, times but also just a
couple crazy mistakes.

Speaker 11 (01:07:01):
Himself yeah, yeah let me let me touch on that
reverse crass By cup IF i could just for a,
second BECAUSE i got a friend in a text group there's,
like why would you do? That and then just throw
a ten twelve yard. Pass they were trying to Get
Tory horton on a corner route up to the back
of the end, zone and you Know houston covered, it

(01:07:24):
and so then the second option was In jigba as
kind of an, outlet and you know he's relatively. Open
certainly he was opened by quarterback, standards but you know
it's not a quarterback throwing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
It but but To Sam.

Speaker 11 (01:07:35):
Donald, Look Sam donald is coming off of four straight
games where his passer rating is over one hundred and,
ten so he's at seventy. Four last, night he had
two very critical errors like double, minuses and if you
could have a triple, minus you do. That the sack
in the end zone where you know he. Tried mike

(01:07:59):
knows that on lways spin Where elway had as a
right handed, quarterback he would face feel pressure off his
left and he would spin around to his left and
and he had a knack for making plays out of.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
That there's a time for.

Speaker 11 (01:08:12):
That Sam darnold's actually done some of, that and he's
been good in that, regard but he chose a poor
time to do. It it was going to be a
safety and then he didn't have ball security and it
turns into a. Touchdown and then you, know in the fourth,
down fourth, quarter rather when you're just trying to nurse
a lead that interception that he.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Threw And, mike.

Speaker 11 (01:08:37):
You, know from a play construction, STANDPOINT i know you
don't study the coach's tape and maybe THE tv didn't
give the, angle But, mike think of to the right
side AS z. Spot you know the concept well And
chuck And. Buck that's a three man, concept very prevalent
in THE nfl and college and frankly in high.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
School but Imagine mike THE z.

Speaker 11 (01:08:57):
Spot but instead of the, court the tight end running
the corner, route the tight end runs a. Scene and
so that, normally if you're gonna go back to chuck and.
Buck if you're going to go getst a three deep,
defense there's there's a structure where you want the corner
route to be the high to clear out the. Corner

(01:09:19):
but if you run him on a, seam you better
as a, quarterback you better jolly be well be ready
if you try and throw that. Scene you got to
know that there's nothing outside holding that. Corner the corners
in an outside, leverage but he can break underneath, that
and and you'd want to pull him into the. Middle
you'd want to have something else occupying that free safety
and really pull them that free. Safety SO i think

(01:09:41):
in the in the in the construction of the, PLAY
i don't like. It but the quarterback is enough of
a veteran he's got to, Know, hey that corner can
fall in on that seam. Route and that's what happened With,
stingley the third overall pick in the. Draft you know a,
uh you, know high ceiling, athlete and he makes a
pick that was really. Brutal and SO i would say the, quarterback, Hey,

(01:10:03):
MIKE i would, SAY i didn't call you a great.
Play uh it didn't you, know play out the way we.
Wanted but you're the last guy with the football in your.
Hand you're the last eyeballs on this, play and you
got to protect my bad. Call what's your take on?

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
That, well first of, ALL i never made any bad,
calls that's the first.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Thing you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Know so but, no that's what you. Say you, KNOW i,
SAID i, Go i'm, sorry but you, know if they play,
this you got to know. That and then you've got
to go someplace, else so you qualify the mistake you
made or the bad play call against that, defense and
and and then but then you've got the ball in your.

(01:10:46):
Hands you're the you're the final. One so uh, yeah
that's probably how i'd handle.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
It a lot of good things from him, too, Though
coach And, hugh you, know we didn't get to, those
but we should take a couple of. MINUTES i, mean
he's just he's been playing sensational. Football, yeah he made
a couple minus minus plays the last, Night but Coach
Sam darnold just continues to play good football out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Here, no he absolutely. Does and you know, what he
there's no. One it's been my experience and he knows
this because he played the position for so. Long there's
no one that feels it more than the guy who
made the mistake, nobody and he is he has treated,
that you, know his his play that way pretty honestly all.

(01:11:31):
Season but he is having a good. Year And i've
said it, Before i'll say it. Again he will get us.
There he will get US i don't know exactly how,
far but he will get us to the playoffs and
we'll see what. Happens because you, KNOW i really like,
him obviously you can. Tell BUT i think he's having
a great.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
START i really like him as.

Speaker 11 (01:11:51):
WELL i think that As mike touched on that touchdown
pass was you, know kind of next. Level that's a
extremely high difficulty, play uh to play with that, timing
the defensive look that he. Had he you, know he's
trying to get it between the corner and the. Safety
but but there had been a uh another safety that

(01:12:15):
had kind of was right in his selllevision he had
to throw over. Him and to put in that spot
with that kind of, pressure that was an elite throw
that you, know the the the go route up the.
Sideline uh that he just walks out there doing jigba
and all the other. Things and and AND i think
that what what makes The Demico ryans defense difficult to go.

(01:12:36):
Against is similar to The seattle. Defense they they they
don't play a lot of, man they play a lot of,
zone but they do a lot of zone. Pressures they
bring guys uh and and it puts a it puts
a strain on you to just decipher where the pressures coming,
from and and and and and where the windows are
and so. Uh you, know he he didn't have his best,

(01:12:59):
game but he played well enough to win given the
circumstances and how well the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Played seahawks do win twenty seven to nineteen over The
Houston texans last night to move to five and two
on the, season and they get to head into the
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