Best of Chuck & Buck 10-28

We've grabbed some of the best moments from Tuesday's show! - Last night was possibly the greatest game we've ever seen. - 12th Man news with Gregg Bell - Gene Steratore is back! - Everett Fitzhugh stops by to talk Kraken - Rick Neuheisel has some thoughts on CFB currently.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crooks. Good morning everyone, morning, it's some time. Good morning
class ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, behold.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
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high school basketball stand What in the hell does.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
That met jumped any conclusions?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Not a god.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
You've got to lower lower your expectations.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.

Speaker 5 (00:27):
I'm getting some bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Five seven guard and a former college water polo and
national champion.

Speaker 6 (00:40):
There's a lot of useless crap up here.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
Ashley Ryan. But to you buy to Lado Casino Resort
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action never stopped.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
There you go.

Speaker 7 (01:12):
Hey, good morning, Welcome into this Tuesday edition up Chucking Back.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
In the Morning.

Speaker 7 (01:16):
Sports Radio ninety three point three k j R FM.
Happy Halloween Week to all of you.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
More very evil, Oh there's some evil. There's a right
pretty good. We welcome you to the show. A lot
to talk about today.

Speaker 7 (01:33):
And when I say we, I'm talking about Ashley Ryan,
of course I'm talking about Bucky Jacobson. I'm talking about me,
Chuck Powell. Welcome into the radio program. We got you
till ten o'clock this morning. We got cracking tickets to
give away a little bit later on in the show,
we got Factor fiction to play today. Geen Sterotaur makes
his return to the radio program.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
So a lot going on.

Speaker 7 (01:55):
Will tell you all about it with what's on tap
here in a matter of mores.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
But I know that people really don't want to think
about baseball. I realized that. I get that.

Speaker 7 (02:07):
I was kind of right there with you heading into
the weekend, getting so close to the World Series and
just missing it.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
And so you know, it does.

Speaker 7 (02:16):
Feel like we should be still be playing baseball, just
really does.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, it'd be great, it'd be awesome to right now
be hosting World Series games.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
To care about it, Yeah that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well, yeah, to care about it.

Speaker 7 (02:29):
But I'll tell you the baseball seam head in me
took over. I certainly did pay attention on Friday, and
I did pay attention on Saturday, and last night I
was ready front and center to watch me some World Series,
And oh, my goodness, am I glad that I did,
because we probably witnessed one of the greatest baseball games

(02:50):
in the history of the sport last night, unbelievable eighteen innings.
Stayed up past midnight to watch all eighteen innings before
Freddie Freeman walked it off in the bottom of the
eighteenth with a solo home run. History being made practically
every pitch every inning last night. It was one of

(03:12):
the greatest games you will ever see. And even though
we hate both the participants right now, certainly it was
worth checking out and leading the show with here today.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Well, good for you for staying up the whole way.
I quit after seventeen innings.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I did you and Mary Hart's husband apparently, who's Mary Hart?

Speaker 7 (03:30):
She's the woman she's from entertainment tonight. She sits there
and the Dodgers. She sat there for twenty five years.
She sits in the front row of every Dodgers game,
her and her rich husband. No, she didn't. She You
could tell they were fighting. She was sitting there like
with her arms crossed because he was standing up. I
think he had to pooh. He is about one hundred

(03:51):
and so he's like, that's not you could tell that.
He was like, Mary, I'm starting till the end of
the fending and we don't start one. And so he
was like standing with one foot up the aisle while
she was in his seat. She moved one seat closer
just to prove how like she was practically grabbing the
guy next to her legs so that she didn't have
to go. So he for there she is right there,

(04:12):
right there in the highlight. She they just showed the
Will Smith home run or fly ball to the wall
and she actually stood up to grab her person.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Leave. Oh I just saw.

Speaker 7 (04:24):
That for the first time anyway, So yeah, they laughed.
After the seventeenth you and the Hearts did the exact
same time.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, And it was I didn't want to.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Normally I would not, but I was tired, and I'm like,
you know what I can I can watch the rest
of this tomorrow when I get up. And yet, what
I mean, the the game itself had just about everything.
I mean, some poor plays, like there were some misplays
and then teams take advantage of that early in the game.
And the first nine inning game, that is, the second
nine inning game, there wasn't as much going on, but

(04:54):
obviously the strategy comes into play where it's you score
one and you win, you know, presumably you kind of
feel like you will. Anyways, it was yesterday. My one
last thing was I'm torn or I didn't like where
where I was at because I was basically rooting for
both teams to not do well.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
There was a bunch of that.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
It was actually one of the more enjoyable games, not
just the the actual game itself, watching it as a
if you're just a baseball fan, all of the perfect
relay throws and the the off script plays that somebody
would come up with something big, but even more so
like I'm up there torn because I'm like, I don't
want you to come through right here, and then sure

(05:35):
enough they wouldn't come through it and come through, and
then the other teams up and they have the opportunity.
I'm like, well, I don't want you to come through
here either, and they wouldn't. And so it was actually
on a totally different front. It was it was good baseball,
and then it was it was high intensity. I mean,
the the you could you could cut the tension with
a knife. And then the fact that I really wanted

(05:55):
both teams to fail. They kind of both came through
there a whole bunch of times.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
Yeah, it was two completely different games, literally, I mean
two nine inning games last night. And the first one
couldn't have been filled with more action. I mean between
mistakes that were prominent and then phenomenal plays and then
phenomenal individual play. I mean, was just one thing after another,
was back and forth. There were plenty of runs, but

(06:22):
not too many runs. It was you know, Pete Rose
used to tell me when I worked with him about
the nineteen seventy five game which the Red Sox faced
the Cincinnati Reds and it's considered the greatest game that
was ever played. And at one point Pete Rose apparently
some Red Sox or he slid into third base or
some Red Sox led into third base where he was

(06:43):
playing defense, and he said to them, can you believe
we're playing in the greatest game that's ever been played?

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Like he knew it in the moment that it was.
And it was very similar.

Speaker 7 (06:54):
The only difference is that Carlton Fisk had a walk
off home run.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
In the twelfth, so it didn't make people way.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
Another six innings, but that nine innings was very similar,
like back and forth, defense, offense, boneheaded plays. All of
it was being involved. And then in the second nine
innings there was no activity at all. Yeah, it was
nine innings of shutout baseball until Freddie Freeman hit the
home run. And it was pitchers deep, deep, because they

(07:23):
used almost everybody last night, performing in roles that they've
never performed in, and yet kept wiggling out of trouble.
I mean Will Klein, for example, was the last pitcher
the Dodgers used last night. He had never gone over
two innings as a professional baseball player, and they asked
him to pitch four innings last night, seventy pitches, and

(07:44):
his last one was maybe his best pitch that he
threw all night, a breaking ball that he struck out
a bat or to close out the top of the
eighteenth I mean stuff like that. I mean it was
very clear, and John Smoltz was sort of hinting at it.
I was actually thinking about you. It was very clear
that the hitters, once they reached a point, they were

(08:06):
all trying to hit a home run to end it.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
The at bats got the at bats couldn't.

Speaker 7 (08:10):
Have been sharper in the first nine innings like they
were just they were giving Tyler Glass now everything he
could handle on the Toronto side. And then in the
second nine innings, the bats just kept getting lazier. They
just kept trying to hit a home run so that
they could stop playing baseball last night. And it just
resulted in nothing but a slew of pop ups for

(08:31):
about nine straight innings, and nobody could put together a run.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Crazy stuff. Yeah, they couldn't.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
And then when you would get the one opportunity, which
they were rare, because the guys, like you said, were
coming out of the bullpen and absolutely shoving. Even the
guys who hadn't pitched in months were coming out there,
and I mean unbelievably sharp, and I mean the Kershaw
coming in bases loaded, a guy that you know is
going to be first ballot Hall of Fame or arguably
one of the best left handed pitchers of all time,

(08:58):
and he struggled mighty in the playoffs. Everybody knows that
even this year he's got a fifteen ERA in the playoffs.
And yet you're like, well, this is might as well
add this to the you know, the pump and circumstance
surrounding this game that we've watched up to this point.
He comes in, gets it done. But then the next
guy that comes into herd Nandez kid. They're saying he
hasn't gotten it out in two months. And he looked

(09:19):
like he was a picture of the night.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, he looked unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
It was pretty impressive the way in which they kind
of fought and battled and clawed, and yet yeah, you're right,
there was. You could see it in the player's face.
And that's the beauty of extra innings or late innings anyways,
is you're like, oh, I get the opportunity to be
the hero. Well, typically you won't end up being the
hero when you're trying to be the hero. I mean,
I can count on one hand how many times I

(09:45):
hit a home run when I was trying to hit
a home run. Most of the time you hit a
home run by just having a good ab and and
putting a good swing on it. And sure enough, if
it isn't the one guy that probably didn't ever change
his mindset, Probably if Freddie Freeman struggling to degree, but
he's the guy.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Like, I'm just gonna stay up in the middle do
what I do. If I buggy whip one.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Fine, and sure enough he's the guy that ends up
kind of staying on task, if you will, and it's
ends up getting the walk off home.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
It was interesting his progression of it bats, especially once
he had four at bats in the extra innings and
he had opportunities to win it earlier. And he said
in his postgame interview, I just kept getting closer with
every swing. I could feel my swing was getting closer.
And he went from pop up to fly ball to
the track, to line drive one hundred and four mile

(10:35):
per hour off the bat, line drive to center field
that varshow made a great play on and then in
the last bat he hit it over the wall.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
It was like, just stayed you're right, stayed on task.

Speaker 7 (10:47):
It was just sort of a clinic in how to Okay,
I'm not going to change my approach here, and if
this thing goes long enough, it's gonna pay off.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
And it did eighteen freaking innings.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
It made me so happy. I didn't watch it.

Speaker 8 (11:02):
I was I looked at the score. I was like, oh,
I think at one point it oh, at one point, yeah,
the Dodgers were up. Then then I saw that the
Blue Jays took the lead. Then the Dodgers tied it,
and then I told five iron, oh they're going to
extra innings.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
And then I was like, all right, well, good night.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
You missed it.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
You missed it. It was unreal.

Speaker 8 (11:21):
I really I didn't, because then I would have stayed
up till midnight and I would have been so mad.

Speaker 7 (11:24):
Now at that point, you're like, I'm like, am I
really going to stop watching at eleven thirty? I'm not
going to get a good night's sleepy, So I just
you know, you might as well watch.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Jason Bateman stayed all eighteen innings.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
He's a diehard Dodger.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
Even the celebrities were staying all eighteen innings, which was
I thought pretty cool to see.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
But you mentioned that Kershaw moment, because that really was
a standout moment for me, because here you have one
of the greatest pictures of all time, who has struggled
his entire career. In the postseason, they put him on
the roster. He was only supposed to work like mop
up duty, and they put him in in the most
high leveraged situation of the entire game. Kershaw's got to

(12:03):
be thinking one like, Okay, this is the last juice
I'm going to feel as a baseball player, but did
it have to be this much juice?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Right?

Speaker 7 (12:11):
And he came in with the bases loaded, facing Nathan Lucas,
who's not a great hitter, but he was pesky against
us for sure, and he threw he loaded up full count,
several foul balls that were hit off off of them,
and then when he had him three to two, he
threw three straight pitches out of the zone and Lucas

(12:35):
swung at all of them until he dribbled one into play,
which he almost beat out. But Kershaw could have very
if Lucas just lays off of one of those pitches
that were outside of the zone, Kershaw's the goat again
and they take the lead at that point, and then
he would also have to face Vladimir Guerrero on the
next batter. So that was incredibly intense. I mean, just

(12:57):
the whole game crazy. I mean, eighteen innings, that's enough.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
And we don't mean talking about show hey yet, Oh jeez.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
Nine at bats, got on base all nine times, was
intentionally walked four times, really intentionally walked five times. And
the reason because his first four at bats he had
four extra base hits two home runs and two doubles,
and John Schneider's like, that's it, and he's and Schneider
said afterwards, I'm not pitching to him the rest of
the series.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't either, And today he's going
to go out there and get the pitch too. So
it's I mean, it's that dude is Kate and I
probably had a half an hour conversation, probably lasted like
five innings of the extra innings, just about him and
how how much above the rest of baseball he is
and just seems to be. I mean, we remember Bonds

(13:44):
in his heyday when he was all juiced up, and
how that was seemed unfair and teams recognized it. They
weren't going to go after him unless they absolutely had to,
and he would then make you pay when you did.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, show hey a little bit. In the last series.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
I know, was scuffling after that first home run and
then was like oho for twenty or something like that.
It was in a real big slump and he was
kind of chasing. When he doesn't chase. I don't know
how you get the dude out. You just hope he
hits it. At somebody and if there's somebody that's, you know,
five hundred feet away from home that when they catch it,
it doesn't count. So it was unbelievable. The whole thing

(14:22):
was the the amount of action there was early in
that game was something I just haven't seen and it
was it was fundamental stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
The relay plays to home.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
But then even the stuff like that, that throw that
Vlad through like that was great. There was no reason
really to make that throw to first. That's one where
you kind of tell a young short stop, don't throw it.
You're not gonna get him right, but he does. Vlad
comes off the base and then throws a seed while
he slips right on the money, picks throws him out.
It was that that walk. The thing that happened early

(14:53):
with Toronto where the they Bashett thought that it was
ballfour and it was ballfour and it's kind of a
little bit of a late call on the strike and
that he's out in no man's land with his head
up his butt to some degree, who knows, I mean,
that was no outs. You ended up letting them off
the hook there. There was multiple times where they they
let the team off the hook. Other times where they
just pitched themselves off the hook. There was, you know,

(15:17):
a hit like I said, or multiple hits where then
the relay throw was was perfectly executed and gunned somebody
down at the late it was. It was action packed
for sure, and if you're just a baseball fan, regardless
of whether or not you're scoring from the Mariners, it
was it was super enjoyable to watch. I just eventually
ran out of steam.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
You mentioned the Guerrero play. I mean, it wasn't.

Speaker 7 (15:38):
The throw is terrific, and he's a better defensive player
than he gets credit for. I mean, he's won a
Gold Club, but people usually just recognize him as a
you know, chubby hitter. But his decision to come off
the bag and go get the ball was the key
to that. His decisions say, there we have no shot
at this guy. So I'm going to meet this throw
that has no shot at get getting the runner. I'm

(16:01):
gonna meet it as close as I can to third base,
and I'm gonna throw it to get the base runner.
I mean, stuff like that was happening all night show.
Hay's home run the last time that Schneider chose to
pitch to him, which was the seventh inning of an
eighteen inning game. That's the last time, and he, of
course hits it out of the ballpark immediately after a

(16:23):
mound visit where they specifically told Sir Anthony Demingez, don't
throw him anything he can hit first pitch hammers it, oh,
the left center field wall. I mean, it was just
one thing after another until there was nothing after another.
Right for nine innings there was nothing that and even

(16:44):
that was compelling though, because the drought then became the story.
The lack of activity became the story. Is anybody going
to do anything to win this ballgame became the story.
It was two different games smashed together last night on
the world's biggest stage. And yes, you started the game saying,

(17:06):
I hate that we're not playing here. This would be
a home game for us, to be the first World
Series game we ever had to host. But just as
a baseball fan, as a sports fan man, to have
witnessed one of the greatest games ever played, it was unreal,
just unreal.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
Well, the beauty of not I'm baseball, which they've always
said it doesn't have a clock. I mean we do
have a clock now, and then we have things to
speed up the game during the regular season with ghost
runners starting a second base. In the postseason, they go
back to the regular thing, the regular rules, and it's just, hey,
we're going to play this until we find a winner,
and you've got to earn it. And so it was

(17:43):
typically I think a lot of people will look at
baseball it's like, if it's a really good game quote
unquote good, they're like, well, then the pitchers just really
executed and it came down to just one mistake and
one capitalized swing. And yet yesterday kind of was like
a whole bunch of it was the mix and match
of everything, poor defense, and then you know they would

(18:06):
take advantage of that, and then it was great pitching.
And then it was better at bats than good pitching.
But then the pitching stepped up when all of a
sudden the traffic was on base, it kind of had everything.
We had guys stealing bags. It was unbelievable. And then, yeah,
the drought part of it became a giant story too,
because you could tell everybody was wanting to end that
bad boy. They wanted to be the hero, and the

(18:27):
pitchers were throwing good pitches to.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Not allow that to happen.

Speaker 7 (18:30):
There was even a moment and it's the last thing
cool we got to get to what's on tap. Alejandro
Kirk had a big home run in this game, a
three run shot. Looked like Tyler Glass now was just
on his game and Kirk gets a three run homer
off of him, And even in that moment, it was like,
I think that's when I turned the page from I
don't even know if I want to watch.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
This to like that is just that's so special. Like baseball.

Speaker 7 (18:55):
You've got Glass now, big tall, good looking athlete looks
like seven foot tall Killian Murphy. I mean, he's like chiseled.
He's the guy that you picture. He's got these big
ass feet that that and this long ass stride and
he throws nasty stuff constantly, and if you went to
scout him, you'd be like, uh, oh, I just found

(19:17):
the next great picture. I mean, he just steps out
like that and he's facing off against some guy that
wont to tryout, five foot nothing, four hundred and nothing,
sitting there with his pot belly hanging over his belt,
and Alejandro Kirk in that moment, can be better than
seven foot Killian Murphy throwing thousand miles per hour on

(19:41):
the mound, and it was just like, no other sport, Yeah,
no other sport. And that happened where that tubagoo can
best that chiseled freak in a one on one showdown.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
In the World Series.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
It's a ball and nobody had hit a like six
hundred straight curveballs that he had thrown that he hadn't
hit out of the park. And sure enough, all one
hundred kirks sits on it and says, here you go. Yeah,
now you're instead of you being up too, we're up
by one. It was that back and forth.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
It was never never are you going to c in
an NBA finals?

Speaker 3 (20:11):
You know? Uh No?

Speaker 7 (20:13):
G Sga is sitting at the top of the key
with the game on the line, and then the other
coach says, let's put our five foot four inch, three
hundred pound can't move laterally has is the slowest person
in the league, sat up. Let's put him on there
and see if he can stop him when we can
win the NBA title. It just it just doesn't happen.
And I just think it's a beautiful thing about the

(20:34):
game of baseball.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
All right, let's find out what's on tape, what's on tip?

Speaker 4 (20:41):
What's on tep alright.

Speaker 7 (20:42):
Six five and eighteen innings. Dodgers went over the Blue
Jays last night. They have a two games to one
lead in the of course best of seven World Series. Tonight,
Game four at five o'clock, Shane Bieber will go for
the Blue Jays and the Dodgers will counter with show
Hey O Tany Aerner's big story going out around town

(21:03):
about how much salary room will they actually have?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Will they only have room for just.

Speaker 7 (21:08):
Josh Naylor if they go after him. We'll talk about
that a little bit later on in the show. We
got the abcs of the Ems coming your way.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
At eight forty five.

Speaker 7 (21:15):
We are one week away from the NFL trading deadline.
We'll talk to Greg Bell a little bit about it
at seven o'clock, but I want to discuss it amongst
ourselves as well. At seven thirty here today, Greg Bell
will also talk about the Seahawks, who officially come off
by and get ready for the Commanders. They will next
play Sunday Night football against Washington, which lost last night

(21:37):
twenty eight to seven to the Kansas City Chiefs. The
score was tied at halftime. The Chiefs twenty one unanswered
points in the second half to win. On Monday Night,
football Huskies are going on by but the big story
in college football are the head coaching firings that have
happened mid season. We'll talk to Rick Neweissel about it
today at nine o'clock Crack In or back home. They'll

(21:57):
host Montreal tonight at seven thirty.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Everet Fits.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
You will be with us today at eight thirty. It's
also a Cracking Ticket Tuesday, so be listening for that
audio piece to play, and when you do hear it,
be the tenth caller at two six two eight six
ninety five ninety five to win a pair of tickets
to see the crack and play November fifth against the
San Jose Sharks. We'll do it every single hour. That's
what a Cracking Ticket Tuesday is all about. And the Sounders,

(22:24):
which we'll find some time to talk about as well,
lost game number one of their playoff in a shootout
to Minnesota United.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
The Sounders missed.

Speaker 7 (22:32):
Three of their five shootout kicks and end up not
putting nearly enough pressure on the goalie and they lose
game one. But it is the best of three, so
game number two we'll be back here in Seattle. Coming
up next though, for the Seahawks last night. For Seahawks fans,
last night, Monday Night football was an opportunity to scout

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our next opponent thoroughly. And that's exactly what I did.
We'll talk about it next. Sports Radio nine three point
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Speaker 7 (23:16):
Danny Leva circling, it's up the past. Minnesota wins Game one,
kisses all around.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Hellos one almost feels like death by a thousand yeahs,
Like it's just.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
Three yards here, four yards, there's seven yards here and
nothing big and they just blow you to sleep and
just keep making plays.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Is five minute drive already.

Speaker 9 (23:43):
Put jacko the bat sucking down six Chiefs at the
Washington ten shotgun snap, there comes a four man rush.
He looks rough, not first from the pocket guns right
then Z one cat touchdown up two head and hell
and I grabbed Kelsey a yard teaping the m zone
touchdown and thess A I of his career, his Hall
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twenty eight oh seven.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Late in the.

Speaker 9 (24:10):
Third eleven fifty in Los Angeles, Coleman says, a club out,
a simper cool car Show's going back be.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Played the text It's a lie the last card A
game through classic.

Speaker 7 (24:36):
Hi, good morning, Welcome Tuesday. Chuck Powell, Buggy Jacobson, and
Ashley Ryan with you as we roll into our second hour.
And man, what a night in the sports world last night, locally, nationally,
globally one of the greatest baseball games that has ever
been played last night, As much as it paints us
to admit it, certainly, the Dodgers and the Blue Jays

(24:59):
gave us an all time classic last night in game
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you didn't stay up for it. Freddie Freeman hit a
eighteenth inning home run to walk off the Toronto Blue
Jays last night, a game that pretty much had everything
and then nothing, And even the nothing was fascinating because

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previously the game had had everything, and so it came
down to Freeman walking it off in the bottom of
the eighteenth and Dodger fans, like more than ten stuck
around for it. It was crazy. It was actually a
good crowdstill on hand for the eighteenth inning walk off
from Freddie Freeman. Dodgers go up two games to one
in the series. Game four will be today at five o'clock.

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It came down to a shootout, and somehow the Sounders
missed on three of their five shootout kicks, and so
Minnesota grabs game number one of the series. But it
is a best of three, so Sounder's still a chance
to prevail before all is.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Said and done.

Speaker 7 (27:29):
All right, those are your headlines. It's now time to
talk to our Seahawks insider, Greg Bell. Joining us now
is our Seahawks insider from the News Tribune.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Greg Bell, Good morning, Greg.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Good morning.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
What kind of team I mean?

Speaker 7 (27:41):
I don't know if you watched the Monday Night football
last night, but we can now start sizing up our opponent.
We got a full night to scout the Washington Commanders
last night. Dan Quinn feels like he's just trying to
keep that thing together with you know, scotch tape and
glue right now. A lot of injuries. They're certainly not
the team they were a year ago. And even though
they hung with the Kansas City Chiefs in the first half,

(28:04):
there was a big discrepancy between those two teams that
got exposed in the second half. So what's dan Quinn
rolling in with Sunday night against the Seahawks.

Speaker 10 (28:14):
Well, I watched parts of the game. I was I
thought the World Series and even the Sounders game were
better options than watching a football game, so they did that.
They are injured. Jayden Daniels, their quarterback, didn't play yesterday
with a hamstring injury. Originally it was that he probably
would play this game Sunday night against the Seahawks, and

(28:34):
now there's reports out of DC that they're waiting and
seeing that may not be for sure. They've had a
lot of injuries on their skill guys, and McClaren, their
veteran wide receiver hasn't played most of this season, and
their defense has been beating up. They're old, and they
were running it back with guys like Bobby Wagner, who

(28:56):
actually had an interception off of deflection last night, fourteen
finisception career, but they mostly ran it back on their
defense that was older, and now they're beaten up two.
So they're three and five and haven't had their bye
week yet, which they need, and of course not going
to have it this week. Shorter week, although the trip

(29:17):
isn't that far from Kansas City. But there's this rest
quotient that a lot of people look at it. Who
has the rest advantage heading into games, and the Seahawks
have the rest advantage in this one, playing one having
played ten that it'll be what thirteen fourteen days, thirteen
days between games, so and only five when he Washington

(29:40):
didn't even get back home till this morning. Some more
like five days for the Commanders. So all that's in
the Seahawks favor here. Having said that, if Daniels comes back,
it's a totally different deal. Marcus Mariota was a quarterback
last night in Kansas City, and yes he's mobile. Yes,
the extend played. Yes, they can run the same offense
that Daniels runs, but he took him to the NFC

(30:01):
title game and took the league by storm last year,
and that's a big deal. If he can't play, the
entire game changes in Seattle favor to me. So did
most games come down to the quarterback? The status of
the quarterback in this game is the big issue for
the week.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Did they prepare different not knowing for sure whether Jayden
dew because to me, I wouldn't feel like you would
have to. I think Marcus Mariota. Part of the reason
they brought him in as the backup is he's similar,
just not as good. Jade and Daniels are doing the
same types of things.

Speaker 10 (30:35):
Yeah, you're right, Bucky. They would prepare the same way
because Washington would run similar But they were running as
a little I watched last night. They were running rpo plays,
they were running quarterback keepers, they were running quarterback read
options and keeping the ball and running and Mariotta was
running a lot more than most NFL quarterbacks, doing designed
quarterback runs. They will do that, but you're right better

(30:57):
with Daniels, So yeah, you can bet that they will
never admit this. NFL players never would and Mariota has
played in so many games with so many teams over
the years. But they will all take a sigh of
relief if Daniels doesn't play and they think, Okay, we
can do this, but they will. That's just human nature.

(31:17):
Daniels gest was supernatural last year and for him not
to play would be a real break for Seattle run
and pass, and it would, to me tilt the game
in their favor.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
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Speaker 1 (31:48):
Wines.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
All right, so let's talk about the bye week. I mean,
every coach approaches it differently. You've now been around Mike
McDonald for.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
A couple of years.

Speaker 7 (31:58):
Is he one of those get away from here and
I don't want to see you again? Does he encourage
people like Tony Romo to take Jessica Simpson to Mexico during.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
The bye week? Is he that type of coach?

Speaker 7 (32:11):
Or is he don't leave the center too much, especially
if you're in rehab. We got work to do. Gentlemen,
What kind of approach does he take to the bye week?

Speaker 10 (32:20):
Well, the former he said that he's having to kick
coaches out of a facility and some of them stay
too long. He's I think he's changed even in talking
about it compared to last year, because he has a
young son who was born last winter. And when your
dad it's first time dad. I can tell you from experience,

(32:41):
your world perspective changes and all of a sudden, whatever
you're doing for work doesn't quite matter as much as
it used to. A matter of fact, whatever you're doing
before you had a kid, regardless work, play golf, it
just changes. Buck You'll tested Nashley will test it as well,
So he's somewhat different in that regard. He's the player

(33:02):
when I first started covering the league. And this makes
me sound like a dinosaur, But in the early two thousands,
the players practiced in their bye week. That was the
norm around the NFL. They would practice maybe Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
and then be off for the rest of the weekend,
have a three day weekend. And Pete Carroll actually was
one of the four bearers of now you get the

(33:24):
entire week off, and the Seahawks case, they didn't even
have McDonald has swung around the other way so much.
He didn't have them come in for film the day
after the Houston game. I had the Tuesday after the
Monday night Houston game. I asked him, well, did you
show this at film today? And he's like, oh, I
didn't even have him come in. So they were done
from Monday night at Luomenfield, tearing out of the parking

(33:46):
lot and gone wherever they went. They we had an
extra night and full day Tuesday of that. So yeah,
he was way on the other side of get the
heck out of here. Having said all that, we were
talking to him yesterday about some free time things and
somebody asked her, if you had an extra day, a
twenty fifth hour in your day, what would you do

(34:07):
And he said something football related, And I thought to myself,
your wife probably doesn't want to hear that right now
when she's got a six month old at home. But
he has given them. I won't say it's different than
last year, but his perspective to me has changed out
of just the course of maturing.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
And being now a father.

Speaker 10 (34:28):
He did say the coaches did a dive on especially
the offense in the running game, and his summation of
what they found was, we're closed and we don't need
a ton of changes. We're going to stick it with
what we're doing, which is what we talked about yesterday.
They probably will do. And he was asked, you anticipated,
did you think about during Dubai any personnel changes on

(34:50):
the offensive line. You can imagine which ones we're talking about.
But Brady Henderson of ESPN dot com was smart enough
not the name names because he wouldn't answer that, and
he said, no, oh, no, we didn't think about personnel changes.
So Anthony Bradford will stay the right guard, although he
has struggled mightily, and according to McDonald, nothing will change there.

(35:10):
What will change in the running game is that Robbie
Utz is going to play. He came back to practice yesterday.
He was desidated to return from injured reserve in the
morning and practiced in the afternoon. His teammates were saying
welcome back and patting him on the back. They needed
two hundred and seventy five pounds fullback. They drafted for
the job last year with the Saints the Clint Kibiak

(35:31):
Grantie formation with fullback twenty five percent of the time.
So far this season, they've only win. Ooch has missed
last four games. They've only been in twenty one formation
twenty one personnel, which is two backs and one tight
end eleven percent of the time. They've been in twenty
two two backs and two tight ends only ten percent
of the time. So by and large, they're using two

(35:54):
backs far fewards. Pretty Russells had to be the fill
in fullback and those numbers should get back up to
twenty percent now that they got Robbie Hoots back, and
they can do a lot more, as McDonald said, in
two back sets with Loots at fullback, and perhaps their
run game will spike just because they get their starting
fullback back.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Gee.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
I mean, I think when you're sitting in first place,
you know, at this point in the season, you know
it's not something to criticize in a bad way necessarily,
but constructive criticism wise. The run game is the thing
we continue to talk about that doesn't look as good
as we had hoped, or that they want or however
you want to look at that. What is the reason

(36:34):
is it health that they're not going just more to
Ken Walker. You know, it's not going to be more
of a time split thing where you're kind of breaking
up carries fairly evenly, even maybe not exactly even because
it's just the numbers. Wise, he's running the ball far
better than Jack Charboney is Is it just trying to
keep them both healthy or what?

Speaker 10 (36:53):
Yep, they're trying to play the long game.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
For Walker.

Speaker 10 (36:56):
We've talked about I've talked about the footage they've been
managing since August is not going away very easily, and
they've become convinced that he can't run seventy five percent
of the snaps for the season. Charbone has run fifty
four percent of the snaps yet is the lowest yards
per carry in the league among guys who are regulars,

(37:17):
and Walker is at forty three percent of the offensive
snaps and an outside zone, as you pointed out, he's
a five and a half yards of carry guy, and
they just haven't run as much outside zone because Walker
hasn't on the field as much. It's one point something
for Charbone in outside zone runs five point five to

(37:37):
one point one on your bellcal play. It seems like
a no brainer to put Walker in. And I get
Twitter messages and emails from fans during games saying why
isn't Walker, Why don't you ask him? Well, I have
asked him and I got the answer. He won't come
out and say he's got a foot injury because he
doesn't want to advertise it. But I learned that back

(37:58):
in Green Bay at the last speak of August, that
this wasn't going away and it was something they're going
to have to manage.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
A couple of.

Speaker 10 (38:04):
People on the team told me that, and that's where
this stands. Walker is all for this job share agreement
because he's trying to get through seventeen games. We've talked
about this. It's the last year of his contract, so
he doesn't want to miss a game because every week
is an audition to get a new contract. Whether it's
in Seattle which somewhere else. He's playing for his future.
He right now is scheduled to get zero dollars from

(38:26):
zero teams next year. That's the nature of this league.
So he needs to be on the field. So if
it takes him to Billy only forty percent of the
snaps in a game, he's gonna do it. And he's
not going to complain because he wants to play every game.
The eyes tell you, common sense tells you just put
Walker in the game, the entire game and see how
your run game improves. They have come convinced that they

(38:47):
won't be able to do that and get him to
get through the entire season.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
All right, So we're a week away from the NFL
trading deadline. What's the temperature of that water right now
at the with the Seahawks.

Speaker 10 (38:58):
Well, I knew this was gonna happ and someone's gonna ask him,
do you expect to be active for the microsot to
guard the athletic asked him, what do you expect to
be active before the trade deadline? Which is November fourth,
next Tuesday, And he's We're always active, you know us
where John Schneider is. He loves to say that, and
everyone in Seattle loves to say that, but there is
some truth behind that. They, as we've talked about before,

(39:21):
they make a ton of calls and they're type of
want to be in on everything. They want to hear
what the league's talking about. They want to float out
their own trade proposals to see if there are any bites,
So they're doing that right now.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Whether that results into anything, I don't know. He had
the week.

Speaker 10 (39:37):
Will in situation. I think when there's where there's smoke,
there's fire. In this case, he to me is the
odd man out. If they want to keep even Worry
as the nickel, that would put Weatherspoon as an outside corner,
which he hasn't been. He's been a primary nickel until
the emergence of Whist even worried. If even Worry, if
they keep him where he's exceled, and why wouldn't you

(39:57):
then to me it's Witherspoon and Job. If you're two
star in corners, I don't think you bench Job over Woolan.
So I would say Woolan's the odd man out, which
means he's a piece you don't need once everybody's healthy.
Of course, you could use him when everyone's not been healthy,
which has been for most of the season. So they
will probably try to dangle a former Pro Bowl rookie

(40:18):
cornerback and see what the interest is. I don't think
it's going to be enough to trade him because, as
I mentioned, if they held on to him and lose
him in free agency, they could end up he may
qualify as a third round comp pick because of all
the playing time in the Pro Bowl he made, and
no team in the league I would think is going
to trade a third round pick for him at this point,

(40:39):
knowing that Seawks aren't even probably going to start him.
We'll see how this stakes out on washing on Sunday
night in Washington. But when he doesn't start, as I
don't expect him to, his trade value to me will
go down. For what Why would someone trade decent value
for a guy who's now been benched?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
All right, last minute, here, how many innings did you
make it last night? Then?

Speaker 10 (41:01):
All eighteen?

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Sir?

Speaker 10 (41:03):
Captivated? I was captivated. My son who gets a bit
four thirty for work right now, who's living with us
for temporary job. He tried to make it. He actually
turned and fell asleep on the floor in front of
the fireplace. But then but they heard me exclaim when
Freddy Freeman hit.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
The home run.

Speaker 10 (41:21):
But yeah, that baseball at its best this time of
you have to tell this show this it's the best.
It's better than Monday night football. It's better than that
show that Sounders tried to put on went straight to
penalties last night and those penalty kicks were not very good,
but yeah, yeah they I mean the Seattle games in

(41:42):
Toronto and here I turned in Toronto in the press
box to my colleagues from the Seattle Times, and I said, man,
we're pretty fortunate to be here. This is sports at
its best. Yeah, and it's the last night was great.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, yeah, it was unbelievable. Six hours and thirty nine
minutes of Yes.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Jase starting, good for you.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
Yeah, all right, man, Well we'll talk more tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Thank you very much, Happy Tuesday.

Speaker 10 (42:09):
Thank you, all right.

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Sometimes he makes my seat a little too warm? Is
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Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah yeah, Well joining us now it's been way too long.

Speaker 7 (43:38):
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Speaker 1 (43:45):
Good to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Again, fellas I missed you. Guys you started going into
that warm seats. They look at my age went the
seat gets warm. It's for a different reason. Yeah, you
don't want to get too warm when you're older than me.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
And I missed you.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I don't like this make hat in the middle of
the season. Stuff fellas. We got to work on this.

Speaker 7 (44:06):
Yeah, well, our baseball team was was winning, screwing things up.
They were Yeah for our conversation, so I gotta be honest,
we were really.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Enjoying that, but we did miss you. At the same time.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
I'll start focusing a little bit more on baseball that
way next year when we're contending for the Pennants. Yeah,
maybe I can weigh in. We'll weigh in on a few.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
Baseball By the way, they could use a good umpire.
So like my take on umpires, stay my.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Lane today, I want to stay my lane today.

Speaker 7 (44:41):
All right, Well, let's go through a few calls from
over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I saw something on Sunday night.

Speaker 7 (44:47):
I'm not sure I've ever seen before, and I think
I want to give Aaron Rodgers all the credit in
the world for this. It looked for sure like he
was going to get sacked, and it looked for sure
like he was going to even fumble the ball, and
with his hand kind of braced by a defender. He
had the presence of mind to see that his running

(45:08):
back was standing right there in front of him, and
so as he's going down, he just does this little
flick motion and throws an incomplete pass right into the
ground and avoids any kind of sack, loss of yard fumble.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
I can't disagree with the call.

Speaker 7 (45:25):
I'm just wondering if you've ever seen anybody in that
moment like have that much presence of mind to be
able to avoid a costly play.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
You know what, Chick, I think you just hit the
nail on the head. And you know, I when when
you referee for as long as I did in the NFL,
you know, Aaron Rodgers was a rookie, and Brett Farr
was in the you know, not the end of his career,
kind of in the middle towards the end at Green
Bay when when I really met him. And so your
your career is kind of paralleled for a long time.

(45:57):
So you do get this opportunity unity to be on
the field and have some really memorable moments with some
great quarterbacks. I had a really great tenure with the Mannings,
the Brady's, you know, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, just all
of those guys. So as crazy as the rule is,
and it is the rule, quite honestly, when you are

(46:20):
down there with that level of a player, their level
of awareness and where they are in these fractions of seconds,
it amazes you. It doesn't surprise you. And I think
that was a really great example of someone just being
in the moment to that level that as soon as
he did it, you could tell that even though you know,

(46:41):
he may assume that they would rule fumble and with replay,
you kind of do right in those situations, so you
let it play out that as soon as he got
up though, he was really adamant about, look, I know
exactly what I just did, and this is why I
did it, So go ahead and look at it. It's
incomplete and they're running backs right in front of me,
you know. But yeah, it's amazing how all the elite
athletes process things. It's it's their level of awareness in

(47:04):
real time, which is which is kind of why I
think we love what what what we love.

Speaker 7 (47:09):
And there's no disputing it, right, I mean, they that
was the right call. That's an incomplete pass. The way
that he handled that correct.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
I mean, we could talk about the rule with the
running back stand and let us back to the quarterback.
Is he really looking for the path right? You know?
But the rules are the rules, and good players know
when to apply those little nuances to their benefit.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Well, I mean there was one in the Jets Bengals
game that I didn't understand. I couldn't wait to ask
you about. It was they it was part of their comeback.
It was the first touchdown in the comeback in the
fourth quarter they had there where Brishall ends up running
it in. But there was the two point conversion part
where Kenna scrambles around completes the pass and yet it

(47:56):
looked short to me. They ruled it short and then
I don't think it was a like a throw of flag.
I think it was just because it was a possible
scoring play, a two point conversion, it was automatically reviewed,
and then they just came back and said, yep, it's good,
even though it didn't look like it was good.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
What did you see on that one?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, And I did weigh in on that one, book,
you know, And that was the little the passover to
the bottom pilot kind of right, and the receiver turns
and then he kind of gets driven back almost immediately
as well, you know, I think these kind of plays,
and as an analyst, now you know that's part of
what I do. And we knew, we know with replay

(48:35):
and the visuals and in the tech, and we see
things so clearly, and we're framed by framing things. The
real question becomes now, and it's a subjective question, is Okay,
I see the football just enter the receiver's body and
I see the handstart to go around the ball. At
what point has he secured this football? And it's a

(48:57):
nuance now that I think, as we continue to do
what we do with replay and frame by frame kind
of officiating or analysis, you almost have to give them
the benefit of the minute that this football gets to
those hands, we are now saying, okay, there's clear possession
of the football. Okay, where are we right now at
that moment? And ironically, in situations like this one, that

(49:21):
football enters this receiver's hands and within two camera frames
that the front of that football, the little the end
of it is not breaking the plane of the front
of the goal line. But there are those two or
three frames right in the beginning where there's the goal line,
there's the nose of that football and it appears to
be breaking the plane of that goal line. So I
think that's where we live now, you know, And it's

(49:44):
those moments that we think. I think we just have
to embrace the fact we're going to do some officiating
in those ways, right, And that's kind of where I
saw it.

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Speaker 1 (50:30):
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They don't have to do it the old fashioned way.
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Speaker 7 (50:38):
There was a play in the Dallas Denver game that
we were discussing yesterday after the show, and it wasn't
that any of us thought that there was anything wrong
with the call. And we got to take officials to task.
But even Tony Romo was confused. And I think it
was a game that you were calling, if I'm not mistaken,

(50:58):
even he was confused about the rule about what is
the natural foot landing? Uh, it was a touch touched
or a reception by Tolbert from the Dallas Cowboys, And
I just thought, we all thought maybe it would be
a good time for Jane to explain how he'll toe
relation works to inbounds out of bounds receiving calls.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Yeah that I do recall it, and yeah, I didn't
commit on the play and and and full transparency. There
are times when we are in live television and they
bring me in and Jim and Tony will bring me
in to clear a play up, and then Tony will
create his own kind of casebook question in real time
and and ask me something that you know, like, Jane,

(51:43):
what if this happens? What if the ball bounces this way,
goes this way, and and three people are there, and
you know, I kind of want to tell him out there,
let's not play stuff the rough in front of ten
million people. Maybe do it at the end of the game.
But you know, it was a legitimate question, and I
think he enjoys seeing me perspire a little quickly on

(52:03):
certain situations, so I think it's it will continue to
go there. But no, I thought it was a good question.
I think on this play, if you do look it again,
it was the touchdown was the touchdown because of that backfoot,
And I think it's a good thing for all the
listeners and lovers of the game. When we start reviewing
these catch no catches, we know all the elements now,
it's almost like it's prescript and we know that it's possession,

(52:25):
two feed a football, move a third step. But when
you do see these balls come in, now, it's always
a good practice on that first replay to take a
look at the backfoot right because again right when that
ball enters the hands, if you look at that backfoot,
a lot of times that backfoot is kind of just
lifting off the ground that hasn't completely lifted off of
the ground, so you kind of count the backfoot as
that one, which is what happened in this case. But

(52:48):
as you said, now that we did have three steps
prior to that last one, which was a heel, and
then the natural kind of roll of the foot, like
we would strike our heel and then roll off to
the toe, and the toe part of that foot was
out of bounds. So he did present me with that question, Geane,
what happens if the heels inbounds? And that was the
third step right or the third element, and then the

(53:09):
finish of the foot now goes out of bounds. So
another kind of nuance to how they were reviewing and
making these catch no catch decisions. Anytime that the foot
strikes the heel and rolls to the entire foot again
a natural type of a step of a person, then
that entire foot must be inbounds. And on the back

(53:31):
end if you strike the toe and now you roll
into the heel as you're going on the sideline in
the back of the end zone. Toe taps are fine,
we only count toes when we tapped. But if we
strike the toe roll to the heel, now you brought
the entire foot into play. So their wording of this
is natural step either forward or backward in the So

(53:52):
when that was do occur, now we got to get
the whole enchilade in, you know, when it's just us
giving you a piece of it. So that was really
what we were kind of describing or the question he
posed to me again, completely unscripted, and just to throw
it out there in case, you know, I would have
a black moment and everybody would get a chuckle out
of that.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
He's problematic, isn't he that?

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Romo?

Speaker 1 (54:13):
He's an issue, great, an issue for him, he's great.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
He's you know, when you're when you're in your forties
and you could still be word rey like like he
was when he was on the field in his twenties.
It's a wonderful feeling. So though I love every minute
of it.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
No, I like Romo too.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
I thought it was funny because he was just like, well,
I guess it counts because his heel hit his heel
hit first, and then I was sitting there looking at like, No,
I think they counted it because that that that foot
was already down right when he caught the ball. But
I thought it was great, and I thought it was
great where you were like, No, and to answer your
question basically, you're wrong, Romo.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Nice, try try to make me sweat.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
We try to do that politely, a little too bucky, right, yeah, like,
and just to throw it on the end of this
town real quick. No, that wasn't right either. Yeah, yeah,
let's go to question four. Now, can we come up
with a new woman?

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yeah, good, try a little bit.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
What makes I think that's what makes them very fresh.
I think that's what makes that broadcast really good, is
you know, Tony can Tony can take you right from
a game listening to think that he's sitting as the
fourth person in your living room and and we're just
you know, shooting the breeze and bringing up crazy things
right in the middle of something. And and I think
that's good television. At least I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I agree, I agree, I got.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
I got one like that was it was an offensive
past interference in the Giants gaming Darius Slayton that basically
had a touchdown and they called it back for offensive
pass interference. And yet it does feel like you watch
every week and that hand fighting that's going on, and
understandably so to some degree, I think you guys give
the dB a little bit of license to have his

(55:51):
hand on the guy so that he can be looking
for the ball and and still know where he is.
But then there's a line where tugging poland starts happening.
And this was one where it looked like the defender
was kind of holding his arm down and then he
did a little bit of a push off. I mean,
how do you decipher how much? Because to some degree
it's not, well, you don't touch him, you keep your

(56:13):
hands to yourself or I'm gonna throw my flag, right,
But at the same time, there's somewhere where it's like,
well that's just too much. So how the heck do
you guys do that? By the way, Brian Dable did
not agree with the call. No, he was not it.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
And you know what, I could defend him on it,
you know, And I think what you mentioned, Bucky, what
you're really squaring up is is really what you try
to do at this level, and that is the art
of this, right. We can all look at these plays
and go, yep, there's a little grass there. It's defensive
holding by the book, I get it. There's a little
hand fighting and oh he restricts his arm there for

(56:45):
three or four ticks, and that's a file at this
level and truth where they get all levels major college football,
you know, all the way up the chain. The art
of officiating is to allow players to play physicality in
some hand fighting and some minimal restriction in a lot
of elements, whether it's holding, whether it isn't holding, whether

(57:07):
it's past interference, whether it isn't. I think you've got
to allow athletes to be athletes, right, I mean, yes,
is there's going to be some minor restriction, a little displacement, Sure,
there is. There's a lot going on there. We've got
to be able as a collective staff and officials have
to be able to hone there's skill to see. Yeah,
there's something there, a little bit. This is not big

(57:29):
enough to interject myself in the game. That's when I
would go into the pregame speeches of look, let's fish
for Wales, let's not fish for minnows. We don't want
to get in there and get to the technical space
of once I call that calls, now, what do I
have to do with every one of these other plays
for the rest of the day in this game, and
really as a lead looks at it. Now, we've got

(57:51):
to kind of be held to that collectively around the
entire weekend. Those types of place to me, you lit
that athletes or athletes, that's a play game, Go get
the ball. There's not a lot of big restriction, not
a lot of big displacement. You really weren't at a
major disadvantage. You've got to play football at some point.
That's the art of this business. And sometimes we react

(58:13):
to think a little too quickly. And when that flag
is out now and then again, it really in my position,
it's a sweating moment, right because now you're looking at
this play. Let's bring in the analysts. What do you
think by the book? Yeah, there's probably something there. Truthfully,
I don't want to see the flag on the ground
on those plays, right, You want to let those things
take place. That's what you hope officials are evolving into

(58:36):
as we get into this part of the season as well. Now, right,
we've been in two months of this. Let athletes be
athletes get the big stuff when they separate big when
they restrict in a impactful way, call it other things,
let it alone, let them go get it a little bit.
And I think it's better for the game. I think
it's better for everybody if we do do that. But

(59:00):
with Dable on the play, I thought it was a
little tiki taki regardless of the outcomes, right, I mean, yeah, Unfortunately,
now he's a sixty five year a touchdown or bring
it back. But listen, anytime you interject yourself in a game,
if it's just a ten yeard penalty and now it's
second and twenty two instead of second and twelve, the
game changed from that point for the rest of the game.

(59:21):
So you really have to hone yourself. And I think
we need to make the files a little bigger in
a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah, I just I don't know.

Speaker 7 (59:27):
I felt like we went light on officials this week
and your return to our show. Maybe it was just
our you know, welcome back gift to you. Maybe it's
because we missed you so much, or maybe the officials
are okay at their jobs.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
I hate to confess that, Gene.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
You know, you always look, there's sixteen seventeen games a week,
and we're going to have some things happen.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Yes, you just.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Don't really want to be talking about them on Wednesday,
you know. That was always my line, like are we
still talking about this Sunday on Wednesday? And we didn't
have a good week, fellas you know, But no, I don't.
I don't disagree. I think collectively we're not in a
terrible place. But there's always work to do, right, you
always have to get better, and a couple of games

(01:00:14):
this week head scratchers and things that you don't want
to have happen, and you hope that those move forward
and everybody learns from them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
All right, Well, happy Halloween to you.

Speaker 7 (01:00:24):
I've gone as you for the last couple of weeks,
maybe not weeks, last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Maybe I go as jim Nantz this week this year.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yeah, just find myself Hello friends.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly the best, Hello friend.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Get the rhythm going right, I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yeah, like a University of Houston kerchief or something like that.
There you go, I got it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:52):
I got it all right, Jane, thank you very much.
Great to hear from you again, and we'll do it
again next week.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Thanks, guys, have a great week, all right.

Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
The amazing Gene Sterotor joining us right here on Chuck
and back and again. His segment brought to you by
bmw F Seattle. Just feels good to have Gene back.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
In our lives.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
It feels great.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
I mean, it was understandable why, I mean, the manners
and we couldn't probably dice up stuff the way that
we typically do with him at that point in time.
But that's over and so now we're into it. And
now we got Gene back in our life.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
We're back to our regularly scheduled program.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
I would like you to start dressing in your Gene
costume every every Tuesday.

Speaker 7 (01:01:32):
Oh okay, I probably do a better nance. Jeane's just
you know too, you know, too dark and handsome, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, yeah, maybe some tannel in her face.

Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
All right, Everett Fitzi is gonna join us next Sports
Radio ninety three point three k j R f M.
All right, Chuck po Bucky Jacobs, and Ashley Bryan with
you every week we get a chance to chat with

(01:02:07):
the voice. I actually got to see him in the
station last week. Yeah, he came in to say hello
to Ashley and I. He was like, Bucky's not there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
I'll be right in. Oh that's yeah. He came in.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
Yeah, he brought like three course breakfast. Wasn't wasn't delicious.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
That's all because I wasn't here.

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
Yes, he was like, it's time for a celebration.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Yes, it hurts my feelings a little bit, but I'll
say this as a team player. I will do that
again this Thursday and Friday for you guys, if you
get to see Everett and he comes with food, I'll
not come into work for days.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
You're welcome right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
There, Everett fits you joins us right here on Chuck
and Bucko the morning, Sir.

Speaker 11 (01:02:45):
I specifically called ahead to make sure that you weren't
going to be there. Bucket all right, I said, I said, hey,
Chuck's like, oh, Buck's not here. And then it was
the It was like Forrest Gump running down the veway.
Remember that was me coming to the station once I
found out that you weren'ting to be well, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
Good for good to find out that you're an outlier
and everybody else except for you from Detroit is nice.

Speaker 7 (01:03:13):
Even whenever it's trying to be mean. He's just so nice.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
I can't do it so bad at being bad.

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
Well, I'll tell you what. This team's been really good.
It's last couple of games. Put in perspective for us.
What kind of a back to back win?

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
This is?

Speaker 7 (01:03:34):
To win your last game on the road against the
team as good as the Jets, and then come home
and just keep it going against the team as good
as the Oilers. Just how nice of a back to
back go win. Is that for Lane Lambert and the Kraken.

Speaker 11 (01:03:50):
Yeah, I mean it was huge. I think though the
Winnipeg game, I mean that was your your really first
statement game of the season. Obviously we're only going in
the game eight at the time, but I mean that
was a win that you had to have. You were
coming off of an effort in Washington last Tuesday that
Lane wasn't happy with, and he wasn't shy about letting

(01:04:12):
people know that he wasn't happy. It wasn't good enough.
I remember even asking him on our pregame one on
ones and I said, hey, it is the fact that
you were in the second game went back to back and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
All the fatigue and the travel.

Speaker 11 (01:04:26):
Does that help? And I think he gave me probably
the best sound bite of my five years here he goes,
I don't care. Your job is to win games in
the NHL. So it was very refreshing to hear that.
And then you come to Winnipeg against a team that
coming into the game had lost eleven times on home

(01:04:46):
ice in the last year they were thirty seven and four.
They had allowed two or fewer goals in twenty one
of their previous forty home games, so I mean, this
was a team that is nearly unbeatable at home, and
you go in there and you put together a defensive clinic.
Joey the cord was perfect, literally perfect in that game.

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And then you come back home for the first time
in two weeks against an Edmonton team that is they
get off to some slow starts, but this is about
the time when they start to find their stride during
the season around games eight, nine, ten to eleven, and
you grind them down. You hold Conor McDavid off the
score sheet for just the second time this season. You know,

(01:05:29):
I think two very different wins, two very different games,
very different efforts, but the same results that now under
Lane Lambert you're expecting to get. I mean that type
of game against Edmonds that I think in particular, those
are games and wins that you expect to get now

(01:05:51):
because of the style of play.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
FITZI I mean dive in a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:05:56):
For me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I mean, I'm old school.

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
I like kind of the hard nosed coach, the guy
that doesn't really pull any punches and'll call you out
and hold you accountable. It seems to me that hockey
might be the last sport that conforms to the softness
that is kind of kind of going into a lot
of other sports. The more players coach type of a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Is that something?

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
Is that true that hockey's has more players that are
receptive to that type of coaching.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
And if so, do you think that the Kraken is
built for that?

Speaker 11 (01:06:24):
I think so, And I think now with I mean,
you look at the journey of a hockey player, right,
very similar to baseball. When you're drafted out of juniors,
you're not going straight to the NHL unless you are
one of one generational talent.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:06:41):
How many baseball players have come out of high school
drafted or get drafted out of college and come right
to the league. It's seeing far between. You have to
go through minors. There's an extensive youth hockey, junior hockey
circuit that kind of beats a little bit of that
out of you. And it is fair very much the

(01:07:01):
hard working, the playing for the name on the front
rather than the name on the back type of mentality.
And I think for this team, where you have a
lot of really good players, you don't have that big superstar,
you don't have the mcdamon, you don't have the McKinnon,
and this team understands that. But what this team does

(01:07:21):
have is a lot of guys who can work hard.
They have a lot of guys who are capable of
stepping up and chipping in wherever ass And I think
the way that you have to play is a depth
heavy style of game. You need goals from all up
and down the lineup. You need a good defensive structure.

(01:07:41):
When you're not a team that's going to score three
hundred goals in a season, you're gonna have to limit
the opposition. You're gonna have to clamp down defensively. If
you're not good at offense, you better be good at defense.
And I think this is a team that's going to
be able to find offense, but their calling card is
going to be a very discipline and heavy defensive structure.

(01:08:02):
I've been saying it all year long. This is a
three to one hockey team. This is a three two
hockey team, and they're going to have to be comfortable
winning those close one goal games. And I'll tell you
if the Winnipeg game, the Cracking were up won nothing
until they got two empty net goals of the third period,
but not once during that third period. I looked over
at al and not once was I like, man, we're

(01:08:24):
playing with fire here. This game is in trouble because
of the way Joey was playing, because of how effective
the Seattle krack and were at shutting down their top players.
I didn't feel like that one nothing lead was in jeopardy.
They pulled the goalie, they get two empty netters, and
then they they're on to win.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Jordan Eberly, thirty five years old.

Speaker 7 (01:08:45):
I don't think people realize what he had to come
back from last year injury wise. I mean, it was
terrible and so as he just said, you know, so
happy to be on the ice that he leads the
team and goals and points. I think so ors Jordan
Everley have a new lease on life now that he's
one hundred percent healthy.

Speaker 11 (01:09:05):
You know what, I think it may be a bit
of column A and a bit of column B. I mean,
he missed forty games last season with an injury that
was so rare. If I recall, I think he's probably
the only player, or maybe one of two players to
ever come back from that type of injury because of
how rare it was. So he's out for forty games,

(01:09:26):
he scores fifteen points and as I think as like
five goals of ten assists in his last twenty games
last year, twenty five games last year when he came
back from injury. And I think he's out to prove
that he still has a lot in the tank and
he wants to win here in Seattle. He has never
been shy about his desire to stay and win here

(01:09:50):
in Seattle. He wants to have success here, So you
know he is he's out to prove that, Hey, I
still have it in the tank. But I think you're right.
This guy just loved playing hockey. He loves leading this team,
He loves being on the ice. You know, it sounds
very cliche, and I understand that, but you know he
will do whatever it takes to help this team win

(01:10:10):
hockey games. And you're seeing it on the ice and
in the locker room so far this season.

Speaker 7 (01:10:16):
All right, so young Canadians tonight they are off to
a red hot start. So this is in the last
few years you kind of like playing Montreal. Is that
not the case anymore?

Speaker 11 (01:10:27):
I mean, they are a team as good as any
I think with a young cores. I look at, you know,
like a San Jose Sharks team who probably in about
five years, they're going to be the best team in
the league, but they're going through some growing pains right now.
The Montreal Canadians are where the those type of teams

(01:10:47):
aspire to be. They have their core locked up, seven
or eight guys under the age of twenty five years old.
They have them locked up until at least twenty thirty three,
so they're going to be really good for a very
long time. I think their goaltending is probably the one
area of concern, but they're quote unquote backup. Jacob Dobeesh

(01:11:10):
has got five to zero record this season. So they're young,
they're talented, they skate well. They just keep coming in waves.
And the Krakens saw a little bit of that in
Montreal a couple of weeks ago in their home opener,
actually two weeks to the day actually the crack and
were in Montreal. They had a chance to win that game,
but Cole Kawfield and Nick Suzuki, and they're big, heavy hitters.

(01:11:34):
Those are the ones that can step up when called upon.
So it's gonna need to be another game like we
saw in the Edmonton game. It's gonna be a grinding
game that this probably is not gonna be another six
five far or five four overtime game like we saw
in Montreal. I think Seattle's learned some lessons since then.

(01:11:54):
They've been they've been tested a little bit more since then,
and I've always felt that it's easier to be the
team that lost coming back in the rematch as opposed
to the team that won. If you won, you're coming
in here probably thinking, all right, guys, if it ain't broke,
don't fix it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Let's you know Rinson repeat.

Speaker 11 (01:12:13):
But if you're the team that lost, you're the one
who has to make the adjustments. You know what went wrong.
So I think for Seattle, I think it favors them tonight,
but it needs to be another strong discipline, defensive effort
because they have a lot of talent and a lot
of speed that can beat you if you aren't careful.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
He's great at what he does.

Speaker 7 (01:12:33):
He gives great hugs, and even when he's mean, he's nice.
It's the human being hat trick. Everett fits you joining
us right here on, Chuck and Buck, Thank you sir,
enjoy tonight, Bucky.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
I love you, I miss you, Chuck, Ashley.

Speaker 11 (01:12:47):
I'll talk to you guys later.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
All right, the.

Speaker 7 (01:12:48):
Voice evert fits you, joining us right here on Chuck
and Buck in the mornings, and of course they'll drop
the puck tonight at home Climate Pledgerina seven thirty Kraken
and Montreal Canadians pregame with Mike Benton.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
So a great night of hockey here on this Tuesday.
Coming up next the ABC's of the m Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM, Time to talk all things
college football.

Speaker 12 (01:13:12):
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You just can't get enough. You just can't get that.

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Not those new Heidels used to be a moniker of mine.

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I mean, just so you know.

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Speaker 12 (01:13:34):
This is college football and I want you to get
it all over yourself.

Speaker 7 (01:13:39):
Oh yes, every week we get the chance to chat
with the coach. New Isel also joined us on Friday,
another one of those like oh Bucky's not there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, I'll change my schedule around to be on with
you too. Yeah, same thing, same.

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
Same thing, finds out, I'm not here. I can't wait
to come on now.

Speaker 7 (01:13:54):
So good that I'm not doing Tuesday this week. I'll
do Friday, please please.

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
I thought Coche and and fifty both were nice guys
before they are they just don't like you.

Speaker 6 (01:14:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, that doesn't make them back to make
it probably means you're the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Right Tell them, coach, tell them, tell them, tell them.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
There's no bad people here.

Speaker 12 (01:14:14):
Everybody's a big fan of everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Yeah, we all just get along, get along, thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:14:24):
All right, Well, it's good that we're all back together here.
And it's course this conversation brought to you by Taco time.
All right, so we got a lot of ground to
cover here. I got to ask you about what's the
big story this week in college football, and that's all
the coaching firings. As they stack up like firewood in
the corner, it's becoming very obvious that we are. This

(01:14:46):
is another layer to this new world of college football
that we live in. And I wonder, though, I mean,
eating fifty sixty million dollars at a time, just because
the program's only good and not champ inship caliber. Is
that something that you saw coming? And is it something
sustainable going forward in this new world of college football.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
The answer to both of those are No, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 12 (01:15:13):
Yeah, I mean, Brian Kelly was thirty three and fourteen
at LSU. I mean thirty three and fourteen is Hall
of Fame credentials. You only have to be sixty I
guess fifty nine point five percent as a winning coach
to be a Hall of Famer or at least be
considered as such. That that is confounding, to say the least,

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and to give him fifty four million bucks to walk
out the door is incredible. We're we're over one hundred
and fifty million dollars in dead money in a world
where every athletic director is telling you how financially challenged
they are, and we're doing that. That makes no sense.
And I will tell you, and I said that's a

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million times you. Oh, I'm telling you the truth that
my one of my favorite years of my entire coaching
career is my last at Washington when we were four
and five and came back and won the Northwest Championship
and beat Oregon State, beat Oregon at Oregon and then
beat Washington State at Washington State when they were number

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three in the country to get that done and to
get the team to believe that, you know, how you
deal with adversity. That's part of the education that you're
supposed to be getting in college. Now we're giving an
education that if you're not doing every you know, winning championships,
it's time to quit and cancel Christmas. I don't get it.

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We've lost our way, and it's because we've given the
pseudo owners, those that we keep going to for more
and more in terms of resources and money, financial support.
We've given them all kinds of now ability to make
the decisions. And that that's just it's scary, it's frightening,
and it's nowhere that I think we should.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Be or want to be.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
But can this genie get put back in the bottle?
I mean, you're right, you just narrowed it down to
where all of a sudden you're giving more of a
voice to those that chip in because now you have
to pay these players or you need to pay them,
and so then it's well, if I'm paying, so you
got this guy and that guy, and look how much
better your team's supposed to be based on our in

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nil log. Then if you don't win at all, then
that's not good enough. We'll go ahead and boot you
out the door and hopefully bring somebody else in. I mean,
can you put this genie back in the bottle?

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
The answer probably is no.

Speaker 12 (01:17:41):
I don't know many genies that want to go back in.
But the bottom line is we can grab a hold
of this by just dealing with the financial realities. People
want to put their head in the sand and say
that you know, this paying the players thing, we can
survive it. We're going to put this artificial house settlement

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twenty point five, and yet venmo and phones were going
off the charts on June thirtieth because every team was
paying their players a sizeable amount of the money that
they owed before that date, so it didn't count against
the twenty point five. So we're always robbing Peter to
pay Paul, and now this next year we're going to
be doing the same thing. We have to come to

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grips that this is the way it's supposed to be.
We have an incredibly popular sport, incredibly popular entertainment device,
which are called college athletics for the world, and what
we need to do is figure out what that brings in.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
Give a percentage of.

Speaker 12 (01:18:42):
That to the players, which is called collective bargaining, and
just be done with it. And then if that creates parody,
so be it. But we do not need to keep
pushing this ball down the field or kicking it down
the can down the way, trying to avoid the economic realities.

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And this chase for championships is becoming now an ownership
deal where people are buying stakes in their respective teams
by putting the bill for this because there's no other
place for the money given that the rich don't want
to share, they just want it all to themselves. And
at the end of the day, it's gonna collapse. It's
not sustainable.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Yeah, yeah, I couldn't.

Speaker 7 (01:19:25):
I think that's perfectly put your two responses to our
questions here this morning. And I do wonder what the
next contract looks like for the next LSU head coach.
I mean, do you really think you're just going to
sign a guy to a one year deal because we
don't have to pay fifty million dollars again as a buyout.
I mean, you're making it very clear that it's championship

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or you're out. You're either giving us a championship caliber
team or you're not going to be here anymore. Well,
how can you just keep giving multi year deals worth
ten twelve million dollars to head coaches and just keep
stacking that pile. I mean, it doesn't it's not feasible
at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Coach.

Speaker 7 (01:20:05):
I know we got other things to get to, but
it's just not feasible. I'm very curious to see the
next contract of the next LSU head coach and what
it looks like.

Speaker 12 (01:20:16):
Well, that contract will be out of out of control.
Crazy if they go and get an established coach that
already has one of those contracts, right, That's that's where listen,
do you guys remember Jake dicker Jake Dickert got the
job at Washington State because Nick Rolovich wouldn't take the

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vaccine right. Nick wouldn't take it, he cited religious reasons,
and Jake Dickert gets put in the job. No one
knew who Jake Dickert was other than a few people
who you know studying Couger defense. But all of a
sudden he's the head coach and he does a pretty
dang good job, such to the fact that when he
gets an opportunity to go to Wake Forest, given the

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situation that Washington's. They finds itself in without necessarily a conference.
He goes to Wake Forest and not Wake Forest.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
Is doing great.

Speaker 12 (01:21:06):
They just beat SMU, the first time SMU lost an
ACC game since joining that league. Jake Dickert would have
taken any one year deal that you would have given him.
There are a ton of Jake Dickert's out there. We
just keep going because we have to win a press
conference and we have to impress people as to who
our guy is and how many games he's won. Lane

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Tiffen can call his number. Lane Tiffin can go to Florida,
he can go to LSU And he's on McAfee the
other day saying I don't care about money. But I
can't say that because Jimmy, Jimmy Sext and his agent
gets all ticked off at him, because Jimmy is not
only making it for Lane, he's making it for the
other eleven guys that he represents in the SEC. Because

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he's moving the chairs. He's like a marionette. It's crazy
what dance we're dancing because they say he got to dance.
There's plenty of coaches. We're caught up in this world.
There's only a few of us that can figure out
how to drop a ball play. That just isn't the case.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Man, are you worried it's going to blow the whole
thing up? You're not that. You're not worried that will
come to our senses eventually shut out.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
The game's too good.

Speaker 12 (01:22:16):
What is wonderful on Saturdays is that even though there's
money involved, the kids still play their tails off. They
love it, they can't get enough of it. Now, we
got to be the adults in the room and figure
out the financials so it's fair and equitable. And I
mean across the entire athletic department. I'm not talking about
any individual. I'm talking about the entire athletic department. So

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college athletics can still be there and be sustainable for
the long haul. So the kids, the vast majority of them,
ninety eight percent of them not going on to play
pro right, ninety eight percent, can have a meaningful college
athletic experience and be in springboard mode to life after sport.

Speaker 4 (01:22:59):
That's what we need to do.

Speaker 12 (01:23:00):
And for anybody else it's not happy with that, I
can't help you.

Speaker 7 (01:23:04):
Yeah, rig new Eiel is with us. His segment every
week brought to you by Taco Tim. I thought that
was a subject worthy of spending a lot of time
on here today, and we've done that, But I do
got to get to the other parts of college football
that we wanted to discuss with you, including you, Dub.
How nice of a win was that for jet Fish
in the program over Illinois on Saturday?

Speaker 12 (01:23:22):
Got Demon Williams going again. He's twenty six to thirty
three to two eighty and he runs for sixty six.
That's what you have to do. The two teams that
have beaten Washington have held Demon Williams to minus rucking yards.
His legs open up the rest of the offense, and
the schedule sets up beautifully for him. You know they're

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going to be favored in their next three games. The
only exception will be the finale against Oregon. But if
they can win the next three, they get to even
if the Oregon game doesn't go well, that's nine and three.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
A bowl game puts.

Speaker 12 (01:23:57):
You into a ten and three, ten win season. That
is progress, And anybody paying attention to Washington football is
going to start taking very close notice about wanting to
come to play at Montlay.

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
So how much credit do you give him? Just for
that time you're beating your first ranked opponent. Maybe it's
not a signature win that same way it would have
been to obviously shock the world against Ohio State or
beat Michigan at the Big House. But is it the
closest thing to a signature winning the Jeff Fish Air.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
It's a great win.

Speaker 12 (01:24:27):
The Michigan win last year was a great win because
of the brand that it represents. These listen, Jed's putting
it together. But this quarterback is special and if you
can unlock him and mandate the first thing you do
in your game plan is how am I getting his
fifty two one hundred yards? Because everything else comes up,
a play action pass and all of it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
If you just figure that out, you're.

Speaker 12 (01:24:50):
Going to have a great chance to win every time
you get out there.

Speaker 7 (01:24:53):
Rick new iiil joining us here on Checking Buck on
the Mornings as we talk from college football here today.
Well they're on by this week, so plenty of other
games to entertain us with, including Ohio State number one
taking on Penn State.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
This was supposed to be the game of the year.

Speaker 7 (01:25:11):
How disappointing is it for you and your CBS brethren
to not have this be the game of the year.

Speaker 12 (01:25:18):
It is unfortunate for all of those networks that paid
so much handsomely for the Big Ten deal. You know,
there are six teams in the Big Ten that are
on buy, including the Huskies. So Iowa, Wisconsin, Washington, Northwestern, Ucla,
and Oregon are all taking the weekend off. We get
Indiana at Maryland. Yeah right, So listen, Maryland has been

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a They're one and three in conference play. They've been
ahead and all three losses in the fourth quarter. So
it's not unthinkable. But the way Indiana's playing, it's hard
to muster a case. It's going to be that the
Fernando knows the story is a great one, as Signetti's
story is a great one. It's going to be a

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tall order for the Terps to get that done.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
How good is Indiana? I mean, they are fantastic, are
they not?

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
They are?

Speaker 12 (01:26:14):
You know how when we get to college basketball season,
we always sit and listen to the analysts say, well,
this is a really old team, and how that benefits
when you get to tournament time. This is a really
old team in the trenches, offensive, defensive lines. These are
twenty two, twenty three year old kids that all have

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you know, built their bodies to a place where they
are dominant. They have played. They held Oregon, and we've
got Oregon as one of the top brands and teams
in the country. They held Oregon until the final little
you know, couple of throws down the field versus a
prevent deal to forty one yards. In the second half,
Oregon scored one touchdown. UCLA had two field goals. Two

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field goals last week. Oregon had one touchdown in two
field goals in the game previous, the other touchdown coming
by a pick six. So this is no accident. This
is a really good team and Signetti is loving it.
He loves to break the will and remind everybody how
good they are. Kind of fun to watch him. Just

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take the role of I told you so.

Speaker 7 (01:27:21):
All right, So Indiana Maryland on CBS. Yeah, Fox has
the Ohio State Penn State game. I was just thinking,
you guys had big ten games, so forgive me for that.
But yeah, it's too bad for Fox because that was
supposed to be the game of the year and now yeah,
now it seems like it's a dud. All right, there
are some other really good games this weekend. Vanderbilt continues

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its role. Can they do it in Austin, Texas?

Speaker 12 (01:27:48):
You know they can. I think the wrong team's favor here.
I think Vanderbilt should be the favorite. Texas was down
seventeen in Starkville last week and because of Jeff Levy
just completely lost his mind the head coach at Mississippi
State and punted to Ryan Niblett, who ran a punt
back against Oklahoma, ran a punt back against Kentucky, and

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yet with a seven point lead two minutes left in
the game, he punts to him and the guy goes
seventy nine yards for a touchdown, and so they go
to overtime and he loses, having squandered a seventeen point
lead in the second half. Stuff happens, but you can't
let players who have proven they can do it do it.
So Vanderbilt comes in with this Diego Pavia kid that

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is incredible, And I just think that because of the
way their defense and offense are complementary, and the lack
of Texas being able to establish a running game, I
think the Commodores are going to.

Speaker 7 (01:28:43):
Win Oklahoma Tennessee. I mean, we can start labeling these things.
This is like losers out of the tournament. That's where
we're at at this point in the season.

Speaker 12 (01:28:53):
Now that we have got the playoff games. Yeah, that's
the playoff game, no question about it. I think Miami
and sm SMU's got three losses, but they could still
win the s the ACC because they've only got the
one loss. The Miami SMU games definitely a playoff game.
Cincinnati and Utah is a great game this week. I

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think USC Nebraska. The Trojans have to win in Lincoln
if they're going to keep their hopes alive. So there's
a number of good games. Texas Tech is on upset alert.
They go to Kansas State. Kansas State has won the
last two, Avery Johnson looking like a player, and Texas
Tech is without their backup quarterback. So Baron Morton's starter,

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who's a little nicked up. He's going to have to play,
but he's got to stay healthy.

Speaker 7 (01:29:41):
Nice call with the Koogs with your Taco Time pick
of the week last week, So you're on a roll.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Where are you going this week?

Speaker 12 (01:29:49):
We're going with Bandy No points needed, give me the
Commodorees my guy Clark Lee Diego Pavia strikes the pos
again in Longhorn.

Speaker 7 (01:29:58):
Land, well, I'd like to think that Clark Lee's completely
focused on Texas, but my guess is he got a
thousand calls from fifteen different coaching vacancies this week.

Speaker 12 (01:30:09):
Did you see after the game that Jimmy Sexton was
over there giving.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
Him the big bear huse.

Speaker 7 (01:30:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, of course he's there sniffing around exactly.
All right, coach, Well, we fired through a lot great
stuff this morning. We appreciate it, and we will talk
to you again next week.

Speaker 12 (01:30:28):
Don't lose heart and best college football. It's still the
best game on the planet. It'll it'll pick it, We'll
get it fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
The product's phenomenal.

Speaker 7 (01:30:35):
I mean, I probably enjoyed the last three years of
college football more than I have at any point in
my life, despite all of this chaos all that is
going on around us.

Speaker 12 (01:30:45):
Yep, we'll, we'll, we'll just forced these guys into a
room and make them understand that you can't screw up
the greatest game on the planet.

Speaker 7 (01:30:52):
Thank you, coach, appreciate you guys, all right right now,
Heizel joining us right here on Chuck and Bucket's segment
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