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Speaker 1 (00:03):
They're really a great asset that they've brought in.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Donald with time going up top for Jackson Smith and
chick Buck drops it in the bucket and he wonked
back pedal for a touchdown. Comes pressure from Witherspoon in
Troubler's war down it goes they brought pressure that time
Witherspoon from the secondary and Byron Murphy ends up with
the sack. On second and four, play action Darnald to
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the end. Zon Spif then Chekeba with his second touchdown
of the day thirteen yards, and Seattle storms down the
field to grab six out of the locker room for Seattle. Defensively,
pressure comes war to trouble. Williams has him in the
sack sixth second of the year for the Vet Leonard
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Williams and he brings up fourth down. Donald back to
Charbonnay bouncing to the end. Charboney talks the goal line
touchdown Seattle five yards, scamper per Zac Charbonay, we.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Got one game, ball man, and this guy's uh right now,
this guy's the best.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Talk about it set the Seahawks single season.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Record for most yards and what.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Week is it?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Well, thank you the Fox for those headlines highlights. I
mean it's not those aren't headlines. What I'm gonna do
now is headline.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
But I do want to welcome you guys all in.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
This is Chuck and Buck in the Morning Show with
Ashley Ryan and No Illinois boy, Illinois boy illinoying boy?
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Oh did I say that out loud?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Ck Burr?
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I did this?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Gotcha on that one? Here he's asleep. I like shade
him when he's not here. We are back and Chuck
has taken a few days off and enjoy the week
off for Thanksgiving. We got these first three days with you,
and we are going to talk to Greg Bell here
in a second, but first you want to go over
a couple of the highlights that happened over the weekend.
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The Seahawks obviously did win at Tennessee thirty to twenty four.
They moved the ball well, didn't necessarily finish in the
red zone the way that they need to, and a
couple other things. Some misstackles a punt return for a touchdown.
The next thing you know, you're a on site kick
away from things getting a little hairy. But they held
on and ended up holding serve and still find themselves
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in second place, right behind the Rams.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
They are at eight and three. The Rams are at
nine and two.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Krack and win and lose on Saturday and Sunday in
a back to back, they won three to two in overtime.
I'm on tour ended up getting an overtime goal in
that one to win. On Saturday yesterday they have a
zero zero game that goes through overtime and then into shootout,
and sure enough, it's about as close as you can
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come to winning and not winning. They made their first
goal in the shootout, then it got stuffed on the
next two. The cords stuff the first two, gives up
the third one if he if he finishes there and
blocks that third one, we end up.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Winning that thing.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Instead. They score on the fourth one and we do not.
Oh excuse me, I didn't. I don't know if that
went over the air and whatever, off button talk whatever. Anyways,
the Huskies end up smoking UCLA. We just did talk
about that. That was the kickoff to hates Giving for Ashley.
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It will culminate with hates Giving a week from Saturday
when the Ducks come into town, and she'll celebrate Thanksgiving
in the middle of it. But that might be the
last trip to the Rose Bowl. We shall see how
that whole thing works out, but they end up if
that is a final time they play, their sands are
outside of a Rose Bowl appearance. A forty eight to
fourteen win over UCLA will be nice, big night for
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Demon Williams. Two touchdown throws and two more on the
ground or was it one touchdown throw too?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
No?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I think it was two.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Anyway, you dubbed soccer team advances as well, both of
them do. The men beat SMU one zero to advance
to the Sweet sixteen, and the women's team beat top
seeded Virginia five to four in penalties and they're headed
to the Elite eight in the NCAA Tournament. So kudos
to them. Go score goals, men and women. Before the
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show started today, we ended up catching up with Greg
Bell pretty much as he was boarding his flight back
from Tennessee, and we found out what he was thinking
about the Seahawks win this weekend.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
With the Bell tolls, it must be seven o'clock and
time for twelfth Man News with Greg Bell. Brought to
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here's Greg Bell with Chuck and Bud Well.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Welcome in. We got g Bell here.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
He's getting ready to fly back from Nashville. I think
I'm sure he's got his cowboy boots on. He might
have taken the spurs off. Good morning, Greg, How you
doing brother, I'm good man.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah, the FAA doesn't like spurs.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Yeah, that makes sense. Still got your chaps on, though,
I would imagine for the for the.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Ride, chaps pat playing the part.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
Yeah, as I mentioned, best NFL city, there's some good
ones with the Nationals.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
National's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Yeah, Well, off the air, we'll have to discuss. I've
had some pretty good times in Nashville over the years,
But I don't think averyone wants to hear about that
right now. They want to hear what your thoughts are
on this game. Obviously, the Seahawks go to you know,
travel cross country and pull off a w against a
one to ten Tennessee team and yet far closer than
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a lot of people thought. Myself, I know you were
not thinking it was going to be quite as close.
What was the overarching reason as to why the game
came down to a six point game at thirty to
twenty four.
Speaker 9 (06:30):
Well, they got slopping the second half, Bucky, it was
a thirty.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
To ten game.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
It was twenty three to three. They scored twenty three
on answered points. They won the game by early in
the third quarter, late in the second and then it
just got sloppy and the offense stalled. The defense gave
up a couple of touchdowns. It was a cosmetic touchdown
with forty seconds left in the game when it was
thirty to seventeen. So the final score was not at
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all indicative of how most of the game went, the
part of the winning part of the game decisively to Seattle.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
They were alarming things though, in that.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
The defense again the defense again controlled most of the game.
Speaker 9 (07:15):
Sam Donald got away with three passes it should have
been intercepted, including on the first drive of the game
that could have been a ten to pick six cornerback
out in the flat with Kenneth Walker that should have
been intercepted, but Walker broke the pass up and they
ended up getting a field goal on the next play.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
There was no one between the cornerback and the other
goal line. If Walker didn't peel back and break that
pass up, Donald should have never thrown it. Two other
passes that should have been intercepted.
Speaker 9 (07:44):
Better team, that result may have been different, and Donald
certainly would have added to his NFL leading turnover total
against a better team.
Speaker 10 (07:53):
That'sway Greg, I have to ask you, So, this is
the second game that I've really noticed that. And I
hate picking on the defense because they have been really
incredible to watch, but we're missing I'm seeing a lot
of missed tackles and there was quite a few yesterday
where it's like, yes, you're almost getting to cam Ward
and then all of a sudden, you know he's dumping
it off to someone and that person's turning that into
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a fifteen yard game where it should have probably been
a tackle for a loss.
Speaker 11 (08:19):
Are they are?
Speaker 10 (08:20):
Is the defense? Like, are there just some things they
need to clean up? Is that something that I should
be concerned about?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (08:27):
And yes, Okay, it's been a season long problem and
we've talked about it a couple times on your show.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
But better teams are going to exploit that.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Cam Ward on third and fourth down yesterday exploited that
his receivers after the catch.
Speaker 9 (08:42):
Exploited that because they had a big lead, they didn't
lose the game.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Because of it.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
But also their defense played minus four starters coming into
the game, four injured starters. Ernest Jones, their best tackler
and their centerpiece of defense, didn't play.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
He was inactive and injured.
Speaker 9 (08:58):
And then they lost a fifth, Tyle Cotter, who is
a phill instarter, got injured during the game. So half
their defense was missing. I mean, every team in the
NFL is injured.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
There's no excuse that they have to play, but there
are mitigating factors to explain it. But even having said that,
when they were almost full strength, which they haven't been,
as we mentioned fully on defense, and then the second
edition is the fifth play of the season, but when
they're almost close to full strength, they still had tackling issues.
It's now going on December. This is almost who they are.
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It's tough to fix that problem.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
This late in the season.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
But they get Julian Love back, and they hope this
week against Minnesota they'll get Ernest Jones back. They're gonna
get better than they were yesterday. I keep saying this,
Are they good enough to beat the Rams. Are they
good enough to beat the forty nine ers? And if
they aren't, they're gonna be on the road in the
playoffs in January. And they're back where they were for
the last month or last decade. But I hear you, it's.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Been a season long shoe on defense.
Speaker 8 (10:00):
For all the great things they've done defensively, tacklings are
made an issue.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
It has.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
And yet, I mean maybe that's the sole concern going
into it, because you know, you look at numbers and
it just kind of felt that way. I mean, not
all wins are the same, not all six point wins
are the same. You're right, you end up jumping out
to a big lead and you don't necessarily have to
play perfect or or do everything right in order to
pull out the w. And yet that's a team I
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think my confidence and yours, you know, you were very
confident going into this too, that they would be able
to win by a lot bigger margin than six. For sure,
to me, it was I watched this team play the Titans,
that is, and I didn't think this is a team
that was capable of manufacturing long drives, and so what
was it that was enabling them to continue to move
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the chains. I mean they end up almost doubling them
up in time of possession over the course of the
whole game.
Speaker 9 (10:56):
Yeah, fifteen play drive to start and they turn them
away in side the five yard line.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
And that's why I became a field goal instead of
a touchdown right off the top. But I am well, yeah,
that short short third downs is the problem. And if
you in the NFL, if your short third downs, the
offense can do anything they want to in their playbook.
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That's what happened yesterday. Tennessee short enough third downs, they
often went forward on fourth down. Of course, they were
trailing the game and chasing the game, so they had to.
But Seattle didn't do well enough in the early downs
to make third down long so their pastorists could get
after cam Ward, and Ward was elusive in the past rush.
When they did pass rusts after they lost containment, they
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allowed Ward to extend plays.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
All of that so I'm repeating myself.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
But there were a lot of concerning things about yesterday
that a better team, that result might not have been
the same.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
Okay, something that I don't think think any of us
were concerned about. Well, we might have been going into
the game would Grayzabel play?
Speaker 11 (12:04):
Well, he did. He's amazing.
Speaker 10 (12:06):
Mike McDonald called him unbelievable for being able to play.
Seven days later, you wrote an article you said, he's
quickly becoming.
Speaker 11 (12:12):
A folk hero. How impressive is greys Abel?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
He's all that in a bag of chips.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Actually, he is beyond beyond what they thought they were
going to get with him.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
They knew he'd start from day one.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
They didn't know he was going to not give up
any sacks all season long. They didn't know he'd play
off of a serious looking knee injury seven days later
against one of the best interior defensive linemen in the
league and Jeffrey Simmons. When I talked to him after game,
he was humbled by Simmons.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
He said that I joked with him at the start
of the interview.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
I said, so now you're indestructivile too, meaning he played
off the knee injury and he was thinking about Simmons
still and he said, no, no, no, far from it. Simmons
ninety eight is a great player, and he gave it
to me and I was watching him some of the binoculars.
He still blocks two guys on one play, Simmons got
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him a few times, especially quickness off the snap, and
he had a false start and a holding penalty.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
But really good and he is.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
He's solidifying that offensive line and the left side with
Charles Crofts signed at least through next year, and they're
going to try to work on extension compared to I mean,
think of Lake and Tomlinson and the guys they've left guard.
He's a quantum leap and he's only a rookie. He's
gonna only get better.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Well, I mean, if we're going to talk about people
that are really good, probably shouldn't go too much further
without talking about Jackson Smith and Jigba. I mean, breaking
the Seahawks singles season record. The guy just continues to
get it done, even though you know he's got to
be the focal point of every defense he's going against.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
That's it.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
They cover and they bracket him, they shade safeties over
to him, and he still gets opened. He it was
the touchdown the sixty three yard yesterday was an improv route.
It wasn't called that way when they saw they had
a safety manned up on him when he went in motion.
So that's when Smith and Jibobs changed his route and
then that play was made because the offensive line gave
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Darnold time. Often he doesn't get that much time to
have out Smith and Jigg but a run a forty
yard route from left to right, and that's what he did,
and he was able to cross the.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Field and become open.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
And when you have that much time, you're often going
to get Smith and jigbit open.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
But that play, in particular, sixty three yard touchdown. Guys,
he looked to me like Jerry Rice.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Oh wow, that's high praise. I would say we ended
up getting cut off there a little bit. I think
that they might have just yanked the phone out of
his hand and told him buckle your damn seat belt,
bell and take your spurs off. I'm not sure exactly
what went on there, but it is what it is.
We ended up getting quite a bit out of him,
and it actually leads us right into something that I
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wanted to talk with you about, was the Jackson, Smith
and Jig. But I mean he did he does look
like Jerry Rice. I mean at this point, I mean,
that's a huge praise. And I bet if Hugh Millon's
listening right, he's like you watch your mouth.
Speaker 10 (15:13):
Well, and to be fair, Greg said, the way he
was able to move his body and the way the speed, Yeah,
the off speed and things.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Well, that's the part that is the most impressive. I mean,
I expect every NFL wide receiver to catch the ball
when it's thrown right to his hands, right. I mean,
there's more difficult catches and easy ones, and he obviously
does that. His route running. Everybody knew coming out of
the draft that he was really good at that. I mean,
Hugh had broke down how this guy's played with some
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elite NFL wide receivers and yet he's known as the
top of the heap. He's the one that is known
as kind of having the it factor when it comes
to being a receiver.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
We saw him last year.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I mean, he had a great year last year, and
yet he was still we were always talking about why
isn't DK used more, Why isn't this and that DK's gone,
and now he's the focal point. I don't think anybody
was envisioning him doing what he's doing now. He brought
he breaks the Seahawks single season receiving record as far
as yards go with six games to go. Still, I mean,
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DK had the record. He ended up beating him this weekend.
Eleven games. He's had three games that he didn't go
over one hundred yards. Yesterday it was his first game
with multiple touchdowns, and yet that second possession of the
Seahawks was the first. Was that that long touchdown and
it si the sixty three yarder that basically they got
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that and they never looked back at that point.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
It was.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
There's just stuff that he does and I can't wait
to ask you about it because he's going to be
able to dissect it far better than I can. But
it's the it's obvious to me the idea of being
able to recognize where the ball is and where it's
going to be when it gets there, and that's something
that you can't measure.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
That you can't. I don't care how many times you
do the you can't measure it. Now.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Good scouts, NFL scouts, I'm sure can see that a
guy does it right where it's oh, that might be overthrown.
And they turn on the jets right and you see
some guys that they slow down for some reason and
all of a sudden they miss it by two inches.
It goes off their fingertips. I think Jackson Smith and
Jigba has maybe the best that I can remember as
far as the ability to win the balls in the air.
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He just recognizes what to do, and that one was
a prime example of I'm sure it's something that wide
receiver coaches try to teach guys. Where he's going, he's
running full speed, he recognizes where that ball is going
to come down, so he slows down just a little bit, forces,
you know, the dB to be Oh is it going
to be underthrown right? I don't want to do pi.
I don't want to run into him. I can't run
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through him. And then all of a sudden, the last second,
he speeds back up and just puts his hand on
him just a little bit, not a push off, doesn't
extend his arm just enough, like yep, that's as far
as you get to go, because I know the ball
is going to go right over your outstretched arm, and
then you know, breaks that one tackle and takes it
to the house. But it just as I mean, watching
this guy week after week, when you know that the
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opponent is saying, we can't let this guy go off
on us again, and yet you know, Tennessee not a
great team, but you know they I'm sure that their
thought was, we got to keep this guy from beating us.
And he still gets catches eight balls for one hundred
and sixty seven yards and two touchdowns. Pretty pretty unbelievable
season so far for this guy.
Speaker 11 (18:24):
Yeah, he's really fun to watch. He's incredible.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
Just on that sixty three yard touchdown to see like
the way you're talking about, yeah, that he slowed down
and then kind of took that extra step to pick
up speed again and the defender just stumbles because he
can't figure out what's happening and keep up. I mean,
he makes it look really easy, and it's I just
find it so funny because I don't hear him being
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talked about like we hear the great wide receivers get
talked about, And here he is just dominating the NFL
this year, and yeah, people cannot can't stop him. And
you know that was the thought last year after when
DK or in the off season when DK left, was well,
now you know, now everyone's attention is going to be
focused on JSN, So how is he going to do now?
The only reason he was really good last year was
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because everyone was focusing their attention on DK but clearly
that was not the case.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Yeah, Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I'm excited to hear more from from Hugh and we'll
have him from eight to ten and Coach will be
on for Mondaymoron Quarterback at from nine to ten, and
so I can't wait to hear their takes on this
kid and how amazing his season has been so far. Well,
we'll dive into more of that as this show goes on.
On the other side of the break, we were going
to discuss the Crack and they ended up winning one
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and losing one back to back. Kind of a great
win and then a little bit of a heartbreaker yesterday,
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Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike hom Grin and Hugh Millin.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Here's Chuck and Buck. Welcome back to the Chucking Buck
in the Morning Show. It is the time that everybody
has been waiting for. It is the time when we
get to talk to the one and only Hugh Breedlove.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Milon.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
You know that your middle name is coming up whenever
I'm the one driving the bus. Rights all good, Yeah,
it's all good.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
It's the coolest middle name in the history of middle names.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
I'm not kidding. I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I didn't like it as a kid, but but it's
my uh my grandma on my dad's side, grandma Grandma
Grandma Jean was a breed Love. So yeah, it's pull
family name. It's a great cool it almost sounds like
a native it does you know a Native American.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Yes, yes, breed love sitting cloud. Yeah, yeah, I could.
I could see that. I could be with you guys.
Good good to have your brother. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
I I obviously uh Seahawks uh end up pulling out
the w right. Any any win in the NFL is
is something that you just say, ollkay, we'll chalk that
one up. And yet it was different than what you
don't make predictions and give scores, and understandably so because
it's I don't think anybody really knows what the heck
they're talking about when we do that. And yet I
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didn't think it was going to end up being as close.
General thoughts that you got that you took away from it,
considering you you went against what is now one in
ten teams and you you came it came down to
whether not there getting an on side kick and you
maybe start sweating it a little bit overall the tops.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Well, I think you touched on it. I think that
you get a win on the road in the NFL,
you stay healthy. You know, think of on a golf
on a score courts, there's an index for every hole,
the handicap on the hole right, and and and so
you look on a seventeen game schedule. This these Titans,
this was the easiest hole. This is a short par
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four with a wide fairway and a really relatively accessible green. Right,
and now the difference breaks down, you say, well, I
would expect, you know, try and birdy that. But you know,
in football it's you know, it's it's like par or
not par, win or not win. Right, So so you
get your par. What if you like to maybe played
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the whole a little better, fine, but you know, I
think it's real a couple of things for me. That
was a really emotional game last week against the Rams.
So now you're you're flying across the country. The Seahawks
have been great, going to three time zones, playing at
ten am.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
There.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Their inability to you know, to step on the throat
of inferior teams has not been a problem. Think of
the Norns games, Think of Jacksonville, think of Arizona. You know,
they they have been about as good as anybody in
that regard. So if if I told you before the season,
the Seahawks are going to win all their games against
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the poor teams, but one of them, you know you're
gonna get a late touchdown less than a minute I
don't know. Did they backdoor cover?
Speaker 6 (23:37):
What was the spread? I sah, yeah, it was like
thirteen and a half.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Right, okay, so so they backdoor cover under a minute.
You know, I just don't think it's a problem. I
think that uh, what if it would you you like
to be a little better? Yeah, but I don't think it.
I don't think it's one of those things where you say,
this is really a phenomenal job of keeping your your
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throttle down, and so it's they're worthy of praise. I
don't think they're worthy of criticism. I just think it's
kind of one of those It wasn't the best job,
but it was, Uh, it was sufficient. And in the NFL,
you just pick up your ball and you go to
the next hole.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Yep. No, I'm with you. I'm not one.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
I mean you got to give credit where credit's due.
It still is an NFL team. It's not like they
were playing you know, wasn't UCLA No, exactly exactly the
NFL equivalent of the Bruins.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Man that was that was that was ugly. We'll get
into that maybe a little bit later as well.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Hugh. I mean to me, if there was an amount
of criticism that I would give. It would pretty much
go up to and stop at there's a recipe that
you you try to come up with, right all week
you're thinking about it, what do we need to do
to beat this team? The recipe that they had I
don't feel would probably beat a superior team. Let's just
(25:04):
go back a week against you know, Matthew Stafford. If
you allow an opponent to go six for seventeen and
third down, which isn't horrible, but five for seven or
four for seven, I keep mixing that everything. It was
five for seven on fourth down. You're probably not going
to win that game. Now, again, you don't get to
fourth downs unless you're they're not going to go for
(25:26):
it seven times unless you're ahead by multiple scores, and
so it kind of plays into that. So just reading
the whole thing, it just felt like, Okay, if you
get if you jump out to a lead, then I
want you to put somebody away. And yet that's not
it's not necessarily something that needs to be overly criticized,
like you're saying, right.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Well, you're yeah, you're up by two touchdowns with forty
seven seconds to go in the game. One of them
was a ninety yard punt return. So right, the defense
until forty seven seconds to go had yielded ten points.
You know, look, they backed off the gas more than
they had in those other games that I mentioned. So
(26:05):
so yeah, you know there's also some guys that were
playing that that are not you know, Ernest Jones wasn't
playing that. That's a big factor. So some of the
mistackles we saw. We saw some really good play by
by Patrick O'Connell when he was playing in a phone booth,
(26:28):
but when he had to play out in space, he
showed some of his his limitations. Although I thought he
played a pretty gay game. You know when when it
was up, when you're up thirty to ten, okay, they
hit you for a post on a post wheel concept
up the right sideline. Well, the flat defender he has
what's called CFW, a curl flat wheel in that in
(26:50):
that coverage, Well, you have him to the flat and
what's the W part of it wheel? You got to
take him up the sideline. Well, that was in a
zone blitz with boy Mafey off in the flat. He's
not going to cover a wheel, So you know that
good on them. They they hit you on that time,
third and then there was a time where they played
Cover two and I mean I had to watch it
(27:12):
like four times. I'm like, wait a minute, that's a
two deep five under the middle guy. That's that's what
you call him the Michael linebacker. That was Josh job Like,
what the hell is I haven't seen Josh Joe play
the the hook zone in cover two the entire season. Uh,
you know there's a scramble. And by the way, cam Ward,
I've studied this guy a long time. My son started
(27:35):
against him twice in college, so I've seen him live
a lot. He played for the Cougars. I studied a
ton of them in Miami. The thirty third team asked
me to present him a few weeks back. I've watched
a ton of cam Ward. That guy. He doesn't have
elite athleticism. He has very good athleticism, but he has
I would say borderline elite feel in the pocket. Now,
(27:58):
sometimes he's late and he doesn't have elite anticipation by
quarterback standards, but when he starts playing that that off
script game, you know, I mean, his his ability to
feel open spots in the pocket is his next level.
And he didn't have a great team around him. But
(28:18):
but he kind of burned the Seahawks. I thought, I
thought that was a big factor. A number of times,
his his kind of instincts in the pocket was tough
to defend. I mean, there was a time where he
uh he he scrambles forward on his zone coverage and
and and that was the one with Josh Job over
(28:40):
the middle, and and he does a no look pass
on third and five. I'm like, what the I mean,
who's doing no look passes other than Patrick Mahomes And
and then and then there's an intensity. I mean that
he has a scramble touchdown and you look at guys
were playing so tall and just kind of catching block.
(29:00):
You would almost think the whistle blow and the Seahawks
just stopped playing. There was just a noted lack of intensity.
But the score was thirty to ten. And you know,
Patrick O'Connell missed. You know, he's he's not in there.
And then twenty three. I always want to call him,
it's de Anthony Bell. So they had guys in there
(29:23):
that are hardly ever in there. Those guys were the
ones at the point of attack. So I think I
just think it was a lot of different factors. I
don't expect it to carry over. And I'll tell you what,
I bet you Mike McDonald on that plane was driving
back or driving back, flying back and saying that that's
perfect because we won the game. We stayed healthy as
(29:49):
far as I know, we don't have any additional injuries,
and yet we got some lessons we can We can
talk about focus, we can talk about breakdowns and in
ways that you couldn't in some of you know, the Commanders,
the Jaguars, the Cardinals, the Saints, all of those total blowouts,
it's harder to get the team's attention about, hey, this
(30:10):
is a breakdown here. We got to fix this. And
so they'll be able to point to some things and
be able to fix them.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Right Well, what he would need to be fixed when
it comes to our quarterback, I mean Sam Darnold. Good game,
decent game, two touchdowns, no picks. It wasn't there was
a couple of balls that probably could have went the
other direction. But coming off of this game that he
had last week and all of the stuff that came
down after that, people were, you know, second guessing this,
(30:36):
that and the other.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
How he rebound to you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I thought he looked real good I think, you know,
they're not to say he didn't have any minuses on
his sheet, but but he cranked up the big plays.
He was productive. He you know, he navigated the pocket.
I mean, I know we're going to be talking about
those JSN touchdowns here in a minute and some of
his progress. But his reads were for the most part good.
(31:01):
I think there was a couple of times, you know,
he had he threw that out route down in the
red zone off to his left, that JSN was a
little too high for him. Uh, that was a press
coverage what's called oki route. That's that's kind of hard
against press coverage. Had he worked the combination on the
front side, he had Cooper cup wide open. Uh, might
(31:25):
have been a walk in touchdown on a little choice
route where he broke inside. So I think his recognition
on on that and and a couple other plays where
he you know, I think he predetermined some routes. It
looked like he predetermined to throw to Receie Chihat on
(31:46):
that post where he got hit. So I would I
would I would dig him for his pocket awareness in
the pre uh determination. But I think they're still working
on resid shaheat and trying to get him. But because
when when they were acquire Rashid Shaheed, it felt to
me like, Okay, that's just kind of a luxury acquisition.
(32:07):
I don't quite feel that way now. I feel like
it's a little bit more of a necessity with Tory
Horton's injury, and while Cooper Cup has been a great
addition in terms of in the building and how he's
impacted others, notably JSN and and everybody, so I think
(32:28):
it's almost like you acquired a coach, but it has
not been productive on the field. So I think that
Rashi Shaheed was more of a necessity. That's my opinion today,
more so than it was on November fourth when he
was acquired. And so they're still trying to work like
they had a wrap route where they had Aj Barner
(32:48):
kind of sit and try and hold the cheese for
the linebacker and then you're gonna he's at the short
level Barner, and then you're gonna get an inbreaking route
with Shaheed coming in behind it. Well, Sam Donald reads
there's a initially at the snap of the ball, he
sees a safety or to his left. Okay, this'll be
(33:08):
Sam Donald. We're in shotgun, we see the staate okay,
safety is over the apparently over the top of of
Jackson Smith and Jigba to double him over the top,
but we have to confirm that on post snap and
then and then now post snap, the safety comes down
to play in what's called the hook zone. So think
(33:29):
of in this defense. It was I've I've referenced it
to now baseball infield and outfield. So imagine the guy,
that guy who's ultimately going to be in the shortstop position.
That's the hook zone defense on the left. But he
starts kind of in left center. Got me so pre
pre snap he's in left center. Now he drops down
and he's he's your shortstop. Well, Donald sees that and
(33:53):
he wants to hold him up because the U to
carry out the analogy Reichi, he is is going over
the top top of this and behind the second baseman,
going right over the middle of the field, right over
the top of second base. But you gotta worry about
the shortstop coming over who came down from left center.
So Darnold sees the coverage. He's trying to hold him up,
but Rashid Shi he doesn't. He's flying like a bat.
(34:15):
Out of hell into the next window and in zone.
Those are the type of things where where you see
JSN just intuitively, he just knows. He's just like I
know exactly how to be quarterback friendly. I'm gonna turn
my full numbers. My quarterback wants to see my front number,
my front jersey number, as opposed to my side jersey number,
(34:36):
which he would see if I was screaming through. And
so I'm gonna show you my front numbers that I'm
idling down in boom and then you get an easy completion.
But for them to have missed on that play, Eliza Royo, Man,
I had done my homework last week about all the
second round tight ends, where the hell is the list?
But you're getting nothing out of Eliza Royo. So you know,
(35:02):
there's some things I would have liked to have worked
on for Sam Donald. But so I think those are
still a work in progress, and hopefully before you tee
up the RAMS on December eighteenth, you can still develop
these things.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Right, and there is time for that. I mean, we're
getting close to it. But I do want to ask
one thing. When you're talking about being familiar, right, you
were talking about Rashid Jahad and they're trying to figure
that out. I think Arroyo might fall into that same category, right,
he was just drafted and he had training camp versus
you see the picture before training camp where Jackson Smith
and Jigbu and Cooper Cup and aj Barner and it
(35:38):
wasn't you know Barnell was there too, where they're all
getting ball thrown to them by Sam Donald. So how
I mean, we don't have much time, but how easy
is it to acquire that familiarity?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
It takes a while, the precisions in the details. Some
guys are easier to read. There's more of a cohesion
early on with guys there's a mess. Obviously. Sam Darl
came in and he could just read JSN like like braille. Right,
others guys it takes longer. Rashichi, he doesn't is not
as instinctive. But uh, and here's my list of my
(36:12):
kind of my beef. Now, uh, the way I works sometimes,
you know, I have I have kind of a theme.
Maybe I'm gonna take the kg A radio. Okay, I'm
gonna get I'm gonna give you Bucky a window into
my thoughts. And I say, wait a minute, I've watched
some tape I've got. I got a little hunch, I
got a little feeling in my gut. Let me see
if I can find some facts to kind of support
(36:33):
my my hypothesis. And and then I come and usually
if I can find those facts, I come in, you know,
blazing on that take right.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Candidly.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
My, my, the facts didn't support my hypothesis as much
as I had thought it does to some degree. And
then here's what I thought. I looked at Eliza Royo
coming into He's on the pace for twenty coming into
this week. Now it's uh, it's it's because he didn't
have anything yesterday. But he was on the pace for
twenty four catches two hundred and ninety six yards. I said,
(37:05):
I'm gonna look at Trey McBride. Second round. They're both
second round picked. Trey McBride was the fifty fifth pick,
Arroyo was the fiftieth. Man. I bet, I bet Trey
McBride and his rookie year just smoked it. Well, not really.
He only had twenty nine catches for two sixty five
almost so. But and then Pat Fryermouth for the Steelers, Ah,
(37:26):
he had sixty catches for four ninety seven, cole co
met twenty eight catches.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
The big guy.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
The big guy, if I wanted to really bring it
is Sam Laporta. You know, he had eighty six catches
for eight hundred and eighty nine yards. So I think
that's a little bit of a mixed bag. But for
the most part, I'll hold to my my, my, uh
my take, which is that you're not getting enough out
of Elijah royal To as of today to have justified
(37:56):
using the fiftieth pick on him. There's a lot of
time advance, As we said, Tredy McBride certainly vaulted from
year two and beyond, so so we'll see. But I'm
just looking and saying, how the hell are we gonna
beat the Rams. That's not necessarily what Mike McDonald's thinking.
He probably has it in the back of his mind,
like we got to keep getting better. That's one thing
(38:17):
I learned on Don. You'd learned a lot from your
high school or college baseball coach. I learned a lot
from Don James is you have to keep getting better
during the season. He would repeat that over and over.
We have to improve, we got to be better, keep going,
keep and so I think as we sit there and say, Okay,
what can what can how can sam Donold be better
against the Rams? It's some of those things a better
(38:39):
feel where she'd say he maybe Eliza Royo poppin but uh,
you know, but let's not do anything to detract from
what's going on with j s n.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Right. Well, we're gonna dive into that. I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
That was one of the things last night that I
was I can't wait to hear what you think about this.
How you can give us some insight of the tricks
of the trade that this guy obvious has. We'll dive
into Jackson Smith and Jigba in the record breaking game
that he had yesterday on the other side of the
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Speaker 2 (39:29):
They're really a great asshit that they brought in Starnold
with time going up top for Jackson Smith and Jagba
drops into the bucket and he walked back pedal for
a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
That is Jackson Smith and Jigba. I am Bucky Jacobson.
That's Ashley Ryan and we are joined for another better
part of two hours. Here another five segments with the
one and only Hugh Millan. Hugh that catch yesterday. I
want to dive into that a little bit because I
think you can give some insight. I'm watching it and
(40:03):
there's something about the recognizing the ball and I know
I've heard you talked about this before.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
You can dive into it further.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Like how quickly Jackson Smith and Jigbas seems to recognize
where the ball is actually going to come in relation
to how fast he's running whereas defender is because to me,
it looked like he almost slows up, shields him off
with his body, then accelerates a tiny bit, puts his
hand out just not a push off, but just a yeah,
that's as close as you get, and then it drops
(40:31):
it in the bucket. I mean, is there Are you
seeing the same things that I'm seeing or am I
imagining something when it comes.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
To this dude's ball skills?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, well you know this from outfielders, you know how
they have to track the ball right off the crack
of the bat. You know, that's that's a key component.
I mean, if it takes you a split second longer
you take a bad first step on an angle, then
you can make a play in the gap look really
difficult or not make the play, Whereas if you know
(41:00):
somebody who just has that in eight sense, they just
kind of glide over and they make it look routine right. Well,
on that play third and six at the minus thirty seven,
here's a a couple of key points. It's the Seahawks
are on a trip right. Trip's right, and the defense
would call that the JSN was he motioned over. He
lines up as number three counting outside in, so he's
the inside guy out of three he's going. They were
(41:24):
able with the motion and everything in the coverage. They
were able to match up against a safety number thirty seven,
a Monti Hooker. So Hooker is in outside leverage, he
has the coverages man and man. There's a post safety deep,
but because they're only rushing four instead of five, there's
also a shallow hole player. So think of it like
(41:44):
a deep free safety in center field and then a
shallow free safety in the in the in the low middle,
so he's he's trying to funnel any in breaking route
and he has outside leverage on an outbreaking route. So
as as Jayson goes up the field bay that now
I just described the outside leverage. That's a horizontal relationship
(42:06):
I'm describing. There's also what's called the high solder or
the low shoulder. If he were to get excessively the
defender excessively on the high shoulder, meaning way down the field,
you could JSN could cross his face and flatten it.
But because he was more or less even, JSN says, okay,
we're even I'm leaving, I'm going over the top. I'm
(42:27):
taking a high angle. But from a quarterback perspective, you say,
wait a minute, that I got I'm trying to throw
an outbreaking route and the defenders on the outside leverage
and JSN does not have elite long speed against a corner,
but it's against the safety, so he has a step
and then now it's what you're talking about. Donald throws
(42:48):
the ball high. It was The NFL measured it at
forty three air yards. That's from the line of scrimmage.
I calculated because I'm a nerd and a a square
plus b square to cease if you can calculate the
uh the hypot news that's a fifty three yards in
the air, okay, from the hand of of of Darnold
(43:09):
until it arrives at JSN. Now, as you said, here's
the part about JSN that has flat out elite as
good as as as any of the receivers who's ever
played this game. Wow, when he turns and and he's
locating that ball, as you said, he'll slow down, he'll
(43:29):
use his body and and and he also it also
did it in the red zone. And maybe we'll have
time to describe that. But that hand fighting, he's just
totally immune to the distraction. And then the hand push
that you talked about, This is just the high IQ
Michael Irvin had it. I played with him where there's
(43:49):
a subtlety to to It's like goldilocks in the porch.
Not too hot, not too cold. How much am I
going to push off on the defender? Not too little,
I won't get the separation to make the play. Not
too much I'll get an OPI. It's just right, and
it's always just right with this guy. And then and then,
(44:09):
and then just the ability, the late hands ability. It's
like if it touches his hands, it's it's like it's
like he's got I don't know, flypaper. That sounds like
a week old analogy. But but he just refuses to
drop a ball that is remotely catchaball, particularly those deep ones.
Tyler Lockett had a little bit of that skill, but
(44:33):
this guy, Uh, just the but he would use his body.
This guy can and just go with guys, you know,
grabbing in his arms and knelbles and pushing and running
full speed and slowing down as you said. I mean,
it's just incredible. It's also worth noting, uh that ball
was was held three three point zero seconds is what
(44:53):
the NFL had that the the offensive line because it's
third down, there was a to the outside of of
Abe Lucas was a what a five technique which is
outside the tackle, and then there's a nine technique way
out there. So the the Titans had widened their defensive
(45:13):
line what uh, in ways that you would never do
on first and second down. And so at the snap
of the ball, Gray's abel he's blocking the three technique
outside the right side of the line. Bradford and Lucas
are are blocking those guys and the the vision that
opened up, you could see a thousand pass plays. You're
(45:35):
never gonna see better, a better protection better.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
It was like it was like seven on seven for
Sam Darnold. There was nobody around him, nobody in his vision,
and he was able to uh uh you you watch
his steps and he takes three hitches on the play
because he thought he was going to a short of
a shorter route, but he takes He's able to take
(46:01):
three steps and hold the ball and wait for all
this to develop because of how Tennessee played it in
the pass blocking, so a lot going into that. But
JSN is just next level at finishing. That's what I
put on my notes, how he can finish because you know,
because one thing to go out, you know, unless you
have a guy that can actually close the sale when
(46:24):
the ball is right there to be caught, the rest
of it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Yeah, Well, I mean that's an awesome breakdown. We're going
to get a little bit more into that when we
have Homegun next hour, just because there's a part of
Greg Bell had said, I felt like I saw like
glimpses of a Jerry Rice and I just thought, oh
my gosh, that's a name to come up. But you
just said that his ball skills or that maybe it's
(46:51):
the finishing way in which he can finish is as
good as anybody that.
Speaker 6 (46:55):
You've seen, So I would not go ahead. I'm sorry. Well,
I'm just saying we're gonna get into that some more.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
I'm gonna be able to have you and coach kind
of go back and forth a little bit about JSN
when we get him on the air.
Speaker 6 (47:07):
But Ice would not be my comp.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I'll just say that I got a couple other ideas,
but Rice would not be my comp. That would be
interesting to see what Coach Holmgren says.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
I would have a hard time thinking he's going to
say he's his comp either, even while he's given him
as many accolades as he deserves at this point, being
the all time leading Seahawks receiver for a single season
is pretty impressive when you have six games to go.
So on the other side of this, though, Hugh, I
want to get into a little bit about the college coaching.
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Speaker 4 (48:35):
Touchdown the sixty three yard yesterday. It was an improv route.
It wasn't called that way.
Speaker 8 (48:40):
When they saw they had a safety manned up on
him when he went in motion. That's when Smith and
Jicobs changed his route and then that play was made
because the offensive line gave Darnold time.
Speaker 9 (48:49):
Often he doesn't get that much time to have out
Smith and Jiggy to run a forty yard route from
left to wreck, and that's what he did, and he
was able to cross the field and become open.
Speaker 8 (48:59):
And when you have that much time, you're often going
to get Smith and jigg hoping.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
But that play in particular, sixty three yard touchdown. Guys,
he looked at me like Jerry Rice.
Speaker 8 (49:10):
His body control, his speed is changing of speed on
the defensive back.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
That was Greg Bell we had on earlier. We actually
had him on I think at like midnight or something.
We had to have we recorded him before the show
because he was getting on a plane. He might have
actually been having a lady buckle his own seat belt
for him right there. But by the way, one thing
before I get into this, actually I did not realize
these guys, I mean, the knowledge and wisdom we get
(49:39):
from coach Holmgren and Hugh there's we must be paying
a pretty penny for that, because I mean, these guys,
there's like eighty seven sponsors for these.
Speaker 11 (49:47):
There's a lot, yeah, I mean a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
I think a lot of people want to be attached
to you, guys. Well, there's one attach to me. I
think eighty six attached to Hugh.
Speaker 6 (49:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
Well you got Toyota of Kirkland, so you've probably got
multiple cars from them.
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Speaker 5 (50:04):
You got all kinds of you got all kinds of stuff, Coach,
and understandably so I would like to sponsor you if
I could. I have five dollars. Would that give me anything? No,
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and done. Welcome back to Sports Radio ninety three point
three k yards the Chuck and Buck Show minus Chuck,
just Buck and Ashley. But the last hour we had Hugh.
(50:25):
We got all of his insight, or some of his insight.
There's more in that big brain on. It always is more.
There's always there's always more, Coach, but there's always more
in you. I called George Wisdom. Right now we get
the wisdom of the show. We had just played a highlight.
We'll get to the general thoughts. I want to get
into this JSN thing first. So we just played a
(50:45):
little bit of the snippet of Greg Bell coming on earlier,
and he even threw out the Jerry Rice name and
in some of the things that he's seeing out of him.
I talked to Hugh about it last hour, and yet
he hasn't got to get into his com shit. When
somebody says what they're seeing JSN do reminds them of
Jerry Rice? Is there any part of you that's seeing
(51:07):
that or is it somebody else that you're seeing? Well,
you know, when I watch him play, this is js N.
You know, I'm He's he's great. I mean, he is
really something. He's special.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
I'm always I've always been reluctant to compare players, however,
you know, because I've been asked many times. You know,
you got you had Montanna, you had young, you had five,
you had asked the fact, who was the best one.
I'm I'm you know, they're all great, and they're all
great in their own way. Jerry Rice, though, is acknowledged
to be the finest receiver that's played the game. His
(51:40):
number has proved that he was bigger. He's bigger, bigger
man than js NU. But uh so, I'd be reluctant
to compare him. Yet jess N is just starting. He's
just starting in his career.
Speaker 6 (51:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
But having said that, I watch him, he is really something.
He makes it look easy. He's got great hands, he
knows how to get open, he understands defenses. It seems
to me very clearly. So he's great. I just just
put the brakes on just a little bit. Comparing him to.
Speaker 5 (52:16):
Jerry Rice, Yeah, I understand, Hugh. Where would you didn't
get to really say who your comp would be.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Well, the reason I look as far as as the
hands and the finishing ability. Jerry Rice came in the
league and he he dropped a lot of balls his
rookie year. There were people were down on him and
and he just willed himself into having great hands and
he was dynamic run after the catch. The reason I
wouldn't camp Jerry Rice Mike is Jerry Rice was six
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foot two, very high cut guy, long legged at six
foot two, and you know they say he didn't have
elite speed. Nobody ever caught him, But I just thought
that he had an ability. Rice's great uh impression on me.
I was in the NFC West Rams and Falcons played
twice a day. Mike coached him. So Mike has a
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far better and intricate knowledge. But I would see Rice.
He could get full speed going really quick, he could
stop really quick for a large man, and he could
accelerate back going really quick. So I think there was
a stop and acceleration elite part of his game. But
the body control, you know. Again, Jerry Rice was a
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taller guy and log legged. Deboot you've got in JSN
six foot and a half and short legged. So his
speed cuts and radius turns, they look different to my
eye than Jerry Rice. To me, I would say like
a Reggie Wayne would be a comp. Possibly a Tim Brown,
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you know, right around that height. Andre Risen I played
with Andrey Risen. Mike coached him in a Super Bowl.
I think Riisen would be a comp for me, you know,
maybe Andre for the bills for those who can remember him.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
How about Steve? How about Steve Smith?
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Steve Smith, I would Mike, I would almost push him
into a shorter cat. You know, he was little stronger
and stockier, so so I would put put him in
the five nine five ten stocky category. Whereas Rice, I think,
you know Tim Brown, you know, Isaac Bruce and and
Tory Holt were around that height, but I think they
were skinnier.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
They were beautiful route runners. But I think in I
think Isaac Bruce would be a smaller Jerry Rice and
in stylistically, but I would I would go with maybe
a Reggie Wayne. I mean, Reggie Wayne's at that height
has the fourth most amount of receiving yards in the
history of the NFL. That's a compliment to you to
say him, but uh, you know, and for guys, I
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played with Andre Rise and had great body controlled due
to his stature, you know, strong legs, relatively short legs,
but that allowed him to do those those quick radius
speed turns, Mike.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
So if he's just if he just wear a shirt
on the airplane, Andre Rison, then we could really compare
him to a lot of people, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (55:09):
The story there.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Then take us down that Yeah, take us down the
aisle on that airport.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
No, we signed Andre Rison and he helped us win
the Super Bowl, and I really liked him. You know,
he's a little bit of a wacky guy, you know.
But first game he's traveling with us. We're traveling and
I had always told the flight attendants, if there is
a problem of any kind, and we didn't have a
bunch of problems, but if there's a problem of any kind.
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Come to me, don't go to don't go to anyone else.
Come to me and I'll handle it. She comes up
to me and goes, mister Homegern, I have I to
spit it out. What's wrong? Well, there's a young man
in the back. He's doesn't have any clothes, he doesn't
have his shirt on or anything, you know, and they're
eating dinner. So I go back there and rises there
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he's eating no shirt. I go, how are you doing? Andre? Oh,
good coach, he's a good food. I said, listen, let
me ask you a question. Look around the room and
tell me what's different. And he goes, oh, you mean
my shirt? I said, yes, yeah, you nailed your shirt.
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I said. He goes, what I listen, I always want
everyone to wear all their clothes when they're eating dinner. Okay,
so put on your shirt, and in the future, wear
your clothes when you're eating dinner. Okay, okay, okay, sure
he puts it on here, that's it, no reason.
Speaker 6 (56:36):
Okay, well yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
But getting back to the important stuff. No, he was.
He was really good. But you know what, he had
trouble remembering plays? Oh he did, so, I told Farv
every time you call a play. Now he was new
to us. Before you break the huddle, look at him
and say do this. Just tell him he couldn't hear
the play, and say what to do? You know, I
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get it, Yeah, I get it. I stopped playing in
high school and Ray Brown was my coach. I don't
remember him.
Speaker 5 (57:04):
He was a in the NFL with the Browns, and
he would get so frustrated because there was they'd call
plays sometimes and I'm like, I just beg.
Speaker 6 (57:13):
What well, and He's like, go get the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
No, okay, Rising. I coached a number of Pro Bowls
and you'd have you know, Herman Moore, you'd have Michael Irvin,
the guys of Hugos and then Rizon and Jerry Rice,
all these great receivers. So I called plays from the sideline,
you know, and I get Rising. I go, okay, run
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twenty two z in, which is a simple play ran
all the time. And he'd go okay, he'd run in there,
which was twenty yards to the huddle, and Rynald mcdani
look over me, he goes Rising in that time forgot
I forgot.
Speaker 5 (57:52):
What to call, and I go okay, all right, So
he wasn't he wasn't the one with the green before
a green dots were a thing.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
Then we're doing a disservice to JASN because JSN has
a football IQ apparently, Mike just watching the tape. Oh no,
it's like next level stuff. He is what do you
see with him?
Speaker 3 (58:14):
He is unbelievable and and he does it. He does
it all. And he catches the ball so well in
his body mechanics, and he's not a big, big guy,
but he boy, he is hard to cover and he's
always open. I'm going, how what are teams when they're
preparing for the Seahawks? You start defensively, you start, what
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are we going to do about that young man? What
are we going to do? And no one's done it?
No one, in my opinion, has done it. Now I'm
looking at I'm looking at.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
Their defensive backs I thought were really bad, really bad
in that game, you know, from spacing and angles and
all sorts of stuff from contain on the run. I
just thought that they had a very poor game offense defensively.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Mike, you know, just picking up on his instincts. There
was a play the sex are down in the red
zone at the Tennessee thirteen yard line and on a
little on a five and in. I don't know if
you called it a China or finn whatever your terminology was,
but but I'm watching this and Jaysn gets his right
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foot is outside foot to a seven the seven and
a half yard line. But then as the play is
getting slow, he's going into the teeth of his own defense.
I believe on that one it was a two deep
five hunder, So he's going into the the curl defender
on the opposite side, Mike passed the hook defender, and
as he's going in there, Darnold is kind of moving
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around the pocket. Jaysn loses ground and he goes. He
goes from the seven and a half yard line of Tennessee.
He loses ground back to the eleven yard line. The
NFL categorized it as to two air yards. Now he
was able to avoid that guy and get the sideline.
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That was only he only got one yard out of
the play, so it's it's not gonna make anybody's highlight team.
But Mike, I was sitting there thinking if I had
to wait for the next time I saw a receiver
do that lose that much ground? Instinctively to help the
quarterback and get in front of that zone defender. I
don't know how long i'd look. I mean, he just
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does stuff that is just so next level with his IQ.
Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
Yeah, no, he is.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
He's a special player and uh listen, that's what that's
what they need. Contrary to that, I think the new
the new young man that they got what's his name,
the receiver. Yeah, uh, you know we always in you
knows this and Buck when you go you call a
pass play and you don't you don't. You think you
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know if it's going to be zone or man, but
then it's not. It's what it's something else you know
you think is own that is man. The receiver has
it to make adjustments on that too. You don't run
and cover yourself and you see the receivers do that
all the time, and it blows my mind just a
little bit, because you know it's a man route you're
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crossing and all of a sudden, no, it's zone. But
you don't go in the next zone. You stop in
the hole. So you make adjustments that way too. And
I heard you coming over, Hugh that he's new. He's new,
and they need him to start doing those types of
things as well, in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
M hmm, yeah, yeah, he's reading you know, man and
and and the quarterbacks expect him to idle down in
those holes, right.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
But you see that all the time, you know, you
see it all the time in games when you're watching
games that receivers run into coverage, run in and make
it easy for the defense. And that's the one of
the things we stress in our offensive stuff is that, Listen,
you got to think out there, you're not just running,
you know, so read it that way, Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
When I was in Dallas, I think Jason Garrett said
one of the most clear and succinct and accurate comments
about a receiver. Jason was talking about Michael Irvin. Was
on the practice field and Irvin had on a comeback. Mike,
he the ball was a little inside. Troy had thrown
it a little inside, but Mike, Michael Irvin cut off
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the defender, used his body and then still kept as
opposed to try and catch it on his inside shoulder
where the defender could have a swipe at the ball.
Michael instinctively right off Troy's hand, would you know, cut
off the defender and then reached to the outside and
Jason just said, I'm he's the absolute best. I've never
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seen a guy that has a quicker awareness of where
his body is, where the ball is, and the defender,
and he always keeps himself between the defender and the ball.
And we saw Jasn he he it was just a
quick uh omaha route, you know, the five yard out route,
but it's a little late. And remember when jaysn over
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on that left sideline, he like curls back. He's almost
turning into a curl back to the quarterback, losing ground,
and and and and it reminded me of of of
Jason's comment about Michael Irvin. The great ones have an
instinctive awareness to keep their body between the defender and
the ball. And he did you know it was on
display a number of times yesterday.
Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
Yeah, I mean, I'm with you on that. And coaches
coach was noding there.
Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
I think that the idea of of how the ball
skills part of it. You Hugh had brought it up
earlier when we were talking of like an outfield or
understanding angles and then you anticipate, you take the angle
based on where you think the ball is going to
come down. And if if you're bad at it, then
you're taking a different route. The difference between that and
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what jsn's doing and some of these great receivers he
gets brought up is there was nobody trying to guard me,
cover me and trying to knock me down or tackle
me when I was running down balls in a gap.
And so it's pretty it's pretty crazy what the JSN
has been able to do, especially just two years in
to the league.
Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
I mean, it's when you when.
Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
You talk about learning things, I mean the the I
would think you being quarterback guru, but really just an
offensive guy. When it comes to the idea of a
wide receiver that comes in as a rookie and is
automatically a little bit maybe above where you would typically
think of wide receiver as a rookie is going to be.
How big of a security blanket is that coach for
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for the quarterback to just know this guy's he's basically
another offensive coordinator out there, just like I'm supposed to be. Yeah,
that's that's huge.
Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
And I think I've read and heard that Sam and
and and Jays, they their relationship and the thing and
how they react in meetings is really something special. And
that happened early. It doesn't always happen as a rookie.
In fact that it's kind of rare. Actually, it takes
a little time to kind of fit in Hugh's point
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about Jerry Rice, and that was a year before I
got there. But he dropped it. He did drop a
lot of balls his rookie year, and then he somehow
he realized why and he made the adjustment. But what
this young guy has done in a very short period
of time is really special. My hope is he stays
healthy and keeps going and then like the record he broke,
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there's there's five how many games we got left?
Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
Six?
Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Six games left? I mean it's gonna be. Yeah, the
new record's going to be off the charts.
Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
Yeah, stay healthy.
Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
At this point it might be it might be time
to start some countdown of whether or not he can
he can pass all of them and be I mean
it's uh, well it was Cooper Cup had its Calvin
Johnson ends up having the record right at almost twenty
yards nineteen hundred and sixty four.
Speaker 6 (01:05:56):
At this point, he's on pace.
Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
You gotta stay healthy and keep putting up numbers and
throwing it, getting strikes thrown to them, so well, that
was a good breakdown of JSN what he brings to
the table. I do want to get into some of
the other factors of the game that we watched yesterday.
I mean, the Seahawks end up winning that bad boy
wasn't as pretty as some people would have protected. But
at the same time, I think you have to remember
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you're going up against another NFL team. So we'll get
coaching Hughes insight a little bit more about this game
on the other side of ninety three point three KGRFM.
Speaker 7 (01:06:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
On second at four, play action, Darnold to the end zone.
Spit didn't shake, but with his second touchdown of the
day thirteen yards at Seattle storms down the field to
grab six out of the locker room.
Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Well, thank you Fox for that highlight there. Welcome back
to the Monday Morning Quarterback portion. We do have coach
Holmgren and Hugh Millen here for a couple more segments.
We just broke down JSN and the record breaking season
that he's having up to this point. You guys, that
was amazing stuff.
Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
Coach.
Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
We I haven't gotten to just the overall. Just the
Seahawks go on the road, go beat Tennessee. It's not
a good team. They only win by six. I think
you have most people are just happy.
Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
It's a w.
Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
It doesn't say oh W minus. It's not like an
A plus or an A. It's just you win or
you lose.
Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
And they won.
Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
And yet I'm wondering for you. You go and beat a
team you were up by significantly more than six majority
of the game, and yet it comes down to there's
an on side possibility there at the end that would
have gotten Harry, had they got that any worry, any
concerns that you got after watching that.
Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Game, No, not really. I was really they should have
won the game. I felt that were going to win
the game. It started that way, you know, at halftime
it was what sixteen to three, and then it became
twenty three to three, So they were in control of
the game most of the time. And then but then
give credit to Tennessee, they never quit. They had that
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punt return kind of ignited something in them, gave them
something more to play for that made it close at
the end. But it really wasn't that close, even though
the on side kick and all that, because you're playing
in the game first of all, you're away game all
those things, and a wins win. So what they're thinking now,
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I think, And they had to play a bunch of
young men. I didn't know their names really, I mean,
I'm learning them. But they played a bunch of different
people in there and still came away with a w.
So I think they're going to feel pretty good. But
there are corrections to be made, and so there are
lessons to be learned here. So maybe in the long
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run this type of game will help them even moving
forward down the future.
Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
Yeah, Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
In the first quarter, the Seahawks played a cover one
man to man defensively, uh four on four times, and
and they got beat on those crossing routes and and
uh you know, notably on a third and three where
Leonard Williams was the four tech Bucky that's just head
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up over the tackle and Leonard Williams goes into the
b gap that's on cam Ward's right side, he's a
right handed quarterback. It's very easy for him to just
fuel that he can break the pocket. And then you
got man to man, the shallow cross Mike comes from
the opposite direction and next thing you know, you get
the Titans have exactly a twenty five yard gain on that.
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And and there was other crossing routes that they had
they had and then McDonald the just you know, the
second quarter there was zero cover and derivatives of cover
one and for the second they only had three. So
again four in the first quarter, only three for the
remainder of the game in the second half. As you
saw that, what were you thinking, either from an offensive
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perspective or if you're the head coach and your defensive
keeps calling these man and man's, we're getting burned on
the crossing routes. Just take us into your thoughts on
the x's and no'se on that.
Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Well, you know, I told you when I had my
defensive coordinators, I didn't mess with them too much during
the ball game. But if I would, I would recognize
what you said in that first quarter and the drives
and then so the one thing I would say is
a hey, it's not the man for man, stuff isn't working,
you know, go to something else. I wouldn't tell them
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exactly what coverage is and all that kind of stuff,
but you know, let's get away from that because that's
hurting us just a little bit. And I think they
had this, they had different people playing. He likes to
do different things, Mike McDonald. There's really a lot of
activity I think with their defense, so sometimes just to
play zone. But they react well in my opinion, to
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the balls being thrown and different things. So that's what
I would change, and that's obviously what he would change,
and he changed.
Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
I don't know if the defensive coordinator just said I
should do this and or Mike said do this. Mike
calls the defenses, so you know, I imagine he had
a big part of that. But I think it had
to do with the different people that were playing during
the game.
Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Yeah, I mean there was I think defensively, Yeah, there
was multiple guys that were out and some big ones.
Hugh had already kind of mentioned Ernest Jones, which obviously
the quarterback of the defense.
Speaker 6 (01:11:41):
That's a big one. You could get away with.
Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
It against the Tennessee Titans, and you did, and so
hopefully he'll be back before too long. I want to
touch on, you know, as much as we can in
this segment the run game aspect of things. I mean,
ken Walker ends up with eleven carries for seventy one yards.
I mean that's a six and a half yard per clip.
I'm pretty good. I think a lot of people be like,
there was that one possession. It was towards the end
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of the third quarter where they hand him the ball.
He runs for nineteen yards, then he runs for eleven yards,
then he catches one for like twenty nine yards, and
then they bring Zach Charbaday in to basically get the touchdown.
But that made it thirty to ten. I think thirty
to ten, and it was it was kind of one
of those like can you do that more? Was there
more of that?
Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
Was that just.
Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
A good play call? Or was that we're just going
to lean on him right here? Did you like the
way that they use the running game or was that
something you still wish they'd use some more of. I
would like to see them use some more of that.
You said it yourself. Eleven carries for most teams if
you have the number one back or you're starting back,
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you're going to hand him the ball more than eleven
times mostly unless it's not working, then you might bring
in the change of pace, you give him a blow,
or go to more passes or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
But he was, he was good yesterday. He and they
blocked for him. Part of that I think was Tennessee,
I thought, and I mentioned this earlier. They're contained and
their their angles on the outside by linebackers and secondary people.
I thought was really weak. So do it more, I mean,
run more. And uh, I don't. I can't answer Bucky
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why exactly they're playing him the way they're playing him.
If I have a chance to sit down with Mike,
I would ask him exactly that question, you know, and
just he gets to decide. And uh, Charbonnay's good player. Uh,
And he looked good. He looked good when he got
in there. He piled it in their different style. But
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I would like to see Walker touch the ball more.
I think that they'll our offense will be maximized at
that point.
Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
You know, Mike, I was uh really pleased to have
been or appreciative is the better word. Appreciative to have
been challenged by Bucky on Friday about pass blocking between
Zach Charbonnat and K nine. And my my initial response was,
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I don't see an appreciable difference between, you know, having
studied the tape a lot, hadn't grinded on the details
of that. So after the show, you know, in the afternoon,
before I went on with Softie later, I had some time,
and so I looked at all thirty five of Charbonnet's
pass blocking and all eighteen of Kenneth Walker's. And obviously
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you're going to tell us that that's an important thing
to be able, you know, for running back to pass block.
But I basically put him in five grades. You know,
if you had a satisfactory you know, you did your
job like an NFL player, you know, that was that
was nothing. You got a plus if you did something
you did your job but it was difficult to do,
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you know, like a physical step up. Okay, he did
a good job on that linebacker. A double plus would
be if he did something just like above and beyond right,
and then a minus if he didn't do his job,
and a double minus. And and in the end when
when I added it up, there were uh, there was three.
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It was a three minus four h for Kenneth Walker.
It was a six minus for Sharbonay, but Sharbonay had
double the play, so they end up exactly the same rate.
You know, you know, I just don't know whether or
not I can support the idea of my conclusion I'll say.
I'll say is there is no appreciable difference. That's what
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I thought before I went into the exercise, and that's
what I thought coming out of.
Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
It makes sense.
Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
I mean, I'm gonna trust your guys's eyeballs far more well. Actually,
I didn't even have my opinion. I was just thinking,
maybe that's the reason.
Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
And sure enough, you're good to bring it up, Yah're
absolutely good to bring it up.
Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
Well, yesterday when they get into their two minute offense
after they had gotten that ball on like turnover on
downs and then they get the ball it was Zach
Shecherbonney in the game during the two minute offense.
Speaker 6 (01:16:16):
Again, so there's something there.
Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Even though typical, right, Mike, isn't that typical that you know,
your workhorse guy, maybe he might not be your two
minute guy. You know, I've seen that a lot. What
what's your philosophy on that?
Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Well, your two minute guy, you might have a different
group in there as your two minute offense. I was
thinking when your discussion with Buck the I was saying
to Max Strong and Shawn Alexander, Right, okay, if Sean
Mack was going to be the pass blocker, Sean, I've
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told you this before, a great, great runner, very very
average to below on pass blocking, and so you got
to it up that way. You know, you can't ask
somebody to do something you're pretty sure he can't do,
and so there's substitution. It just bes somebody. I'm gonna
ask that question if I have a chance, and then
I'll be more intelligent when I come to the next
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radio stay and the next time we're on the radio
to see why why are they doing it? Why? Why
are they doing it the.
Speaker 6 (01:17:19):
Way they're doing it?
Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
Well, when you ask, then we just won't see it
like that anymore. They'll just be giving him the ball.
I mean, they're they're running back. Had eleven carriers, just
like our guy did. He averaged one point eight yard.
There's no average six point five. So it feels like
there could be something that if this thing's clicking on
all synders, you're getting more out of ken Walker. But
we shall see, all right, we gotta we gotta break here.
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On the other side, we're gonna have one more, one
last thing for coaching. Hughes stick around here at Sports
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They're really a great asset that they've brought in.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Donald with time going up top for Jackson Smith and
chick Buck drops it in the bucket and he wonked
back pedal for a touchdown. Comes pressure from Witherspoon in
Troubler's war down it goes they brought pressure that time
Witherspoon from the secondary and Byron Murphy ends up with
the sack. On second and four, play action Darnald to
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the end. Zon Spif then Chekeba with his second touchdown
of the day thirteen yards, and Seattle storms down the
field to grab six out of the locker room for Seattle. Defensively,
pressure comes war to trouble. Williams has him in the
sack sixth second of the year for the Vet Leonard
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Williams and he brings up fourth down. Donald back to
Charbonnay bouncing to the end. Charboney talks the goal line
touchdown Seattle five yards, scamper per Zac Charbonay, we.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Got one game, ball man, and this guy's uh right now,
this guy's the best.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Talk about it set the Seahawks single season.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Record for most yards and what.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Week is it?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Well, thank you the Fox for those headlines highlights. I
mean it's not those aren't headlines. What I'm gonna do
now is headline.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
But I do want to welcome you guys all in.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
This is Chuck and Buck in the Morning Show with
Ashley Ryan and No Illinois boy, Illinois boy illinoying boy?
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Oh did I say that out loud?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Ck Burr?
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I did this?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Gotcha on that one? Here he's asleep. I like shade
him when he's not here. We are back and Chuck
has taken a few days off and enjoy the week
off for Thanksgiving. We got these first three days with you,
and we are going to talk to Greg Bell here
in a second, but first you want to go over
a couple of the highlights that happened over the weekend.
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The Seahawks obviously did win at Tennessee thirty to twenty four.
They moved the ball well, didn't necessarily finish in the
red zone the way that they need to, and a
couple other things. Some misstackles a punt return for a touchdown.
The next thing you know, you're a on site kick
away from things getting a little hairy. But they held
on and ended up holding serve and still find themselves
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in second place, right behind the Rams.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
They are at eight and three. The Rams are at
nine and two.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Krack and win and lose on Saturday and Sunday in
a back to back, they won three to two in overtime.
I'm on tour ended up getting an overtime goal in
that one to win. On Saturday yesterday they have a
zero zero game that goes through overtime and then into shootout,
and sure enough, it's about as close as you can
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come to winning and not winning. They made their first
goal in the shootout, then it got stuffed on the
next two. The cords stuff the first two, gives up
the third one if he if he finishes there and
blocks that third one, we end up.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Winning that thing.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Instead. They score on the fourth one and we do not.
Oh excuse me, I didn't. I don't know if that
went over the air and whatever, off button talk whatever. Anyways,
the Huskies end up smoking UCLA. We just did talk
about that. That was the kickoff to hates Giving for Ashley.
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It will culminate with hates Giving a week from Saturday
when the Ducks come into town, and she'll celebrate Thanksgiving
in the middle of it. But that might be the
last trip to the Rose Bowl. We shall see how
that whole thing works out, but they end up if
that is a final time they play, their sands are
outside of a Rose Bowl appearance. A forty eight to
fourteen win over UCLA will be nice, big night for
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Demon Williams. Two touchdown throws and two more on the
ground or was it one touchdown throw too?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
No?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I think it was two.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Anyway, you dubbed soccer team advances as well, both of
them do. The men beat SMU one zero to advance
to the Sweet sixteen, and the women's team beat top
seeded Virginia five to four in penalties and they're headed
to the Elite eight in the NCAA Tournament. So kudos
to them. Go score goals, men and women. Before the
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show started today, we ended up catching up with Greg
Bell pretty much as he was boarding his flight back
from Tennessee, and we found out what he was thinking
about the Seahawks win this weekend.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
With the Bell tolls, it must be seven o'clock and
time for twelfth Man News with Greg Bell. Brought to
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Speaker 6 (05:28):
Welcome in. We got g Bell here.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
He's getting ready to fly back from Nashville. I think
I'm sure he's got his cowboy boots on. He might
have taken the spurs off. Good morning, Greg, How you
doing brother, I'm good man.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah, the FAA doesn't like spurs.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Yeah, that makes sense. Still got your chaps on, though,
I would imagine for the for the.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Ride, chaps pat playing the part.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
Yeah, as I mentioned, best NFL city, there's some good
ones with the Nationals.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
National's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Yeah, Well, off the air, we'll have to discuss. I've
had some pretty good times in Nashville over the years,
But I don't think averyone wants to hear about that
right now. They want to hear what your thoughts are
on this game. Obviously, the Seahawks go to you know,
travel cross country and pull off a w against a
one to ten Tennessee team and yet far closer than
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a lot of people thought. Myself, I know you were
not thinking it was going to be quite as close.
What was the overarching reason as to why the game
came down to a six point game at thirty to
twenty four.
Speaker 9 (06:30):
Well, they got slopping the second half, Bucky, it was
a thirty.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
To ten game.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
It was twenty three to three. They scored twenty three
on answered points. They won the game by early in
the third quarter, late in the second and then it
just got sloppy and the offense stalled. The defense gave
up a couple of touchdowns. It was a cosmetic touchdown
with forty seconds left in the game when it was
thirty to seventeen. So the final score was not at
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all indicative of how most of the game went, the
part of the winning part of the game decisively to Seattle.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
They were alarming things though, in that.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
The defense again the defense again controlled most of the game.
Speaker 9 (07:15):
Sam Donald got away with three passes it should have
been intercepted, including on the first drive of the game
that could have been a ten to pick six cornerback
out in the flat with Kenneth Walker that should have
been intercepted, but Walker broke the pass up and they
ended up getting a field goal on the next play.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
There was no one between the cornerback and the other
goal line. If Walker didn't peel back and break that
pass up, Donald should have never thrown it. Two other
passes that should have been intercepted.
Speaker 9 (07:44):
Better team, that result may have been different, and Donald
certainly would have added to his NFL leading turnover total
against a better team.
Speaker 10 (07:53):
That'sway Greg, I have to ask you, So, this is
the second game that I've really noticed that. And I
hate picking on the defense because they have been really
incredible to watch, but we're missing I'm seeing a lot
of missed tackles and there was quite a few yesterday
where it's like, yes, you're almost getting to cam Ward
and then all of a sudden, you know he's dumping
it off to someone and that person's turning that into
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a fifteen yard game where it should have probably been
a tackle for a loss.
Speaker 11 (08:19):
Are they are?
Speaker 10 (08:20):
Is the defense? Like, are there just some things they
need to clean up? Is that something that I should
be concerned about?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (08:27):
And yes, Okay, it's been a season long problem and
we've talked about it a couple times on your show.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
But better teams are going to exploit that.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Cam Ward on third and fourth down yesterday exploited that
his receivers after the catch.
Speaker 9 (08:42):
Exploited that because they had a big lead, they didn't
lose the game.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Because of it.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
But also their defense played minus four starters coming into
the game, four injured starters. Ernest Jones, their best tackler
and their centerpiece of defense, didn't play.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
He was inactive and injured.
Speaker 9 (08:58):
And then they lost a fifth, Tyle Cotter, who is
a phill instarter, got injured during the game. So half
their defense was missing. I mean, every team in the
NFL is injured.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
There's no excuse that they have to play, but there
are mitigating factors to explain it. But even having said that,
when they were almost full strength, which they haven't been,
as we mentioned fully on defense, and then the second
edition is the fifth play of the season, but when
they're almost close to full strength, they still had tackling issues.
It's now going on December. This is almost who they are.
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It's tough to fix that problem.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
This late in the season.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
But they get Julian Love back, and they hope this
week against Minnesota they'll get Ernest Jones back. They're gonna
get better than they were yesterday. I keep saying this,
Are they good enough to beat the Rams. Are they
good enough to beat the forty nine ers? And if
they aren't, they're gonna be on the road in the
playoffs in January. And they're back where they were for
the last month or last decade. But I hear you, it's.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Been a season long shoe on defense.
Speaker 8 (10:00):
For all the great things they've done defensively, tacklings are
made an issue.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
It has.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
And yet, I mean maybe that's the sole concern going
into it, because you know, you look at numbers and
it just kind of felt that way. I mean, not
all wins are the same, not all six point wins
are the same. You're right, you end up jumping out
to a big lead and you don't necessarily have to
play perfect or or do everything right in order to
pull out the w. And yet that's a team I
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think my confidence and yours, you know, you were very
confident going into this too, that they would be able
to win by a lot bigger margin than six. For sure,
to me, it was I watched this team play the Titans,
that is, and I didn't think this is a team
that was capable of manufacturing long drives, and so what
was it that was enabling them to continue to move
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the chains. I mean they end up almost doubling them
up in time of possession over the course of the
whole game.
Speaker 9 (10:56):
Yeah, fifteen play drive to start and they turn them
away in side the five yard line.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
And that's why I became a field goal instead of
a touchdown right off the top. But I am well, yeah,
that short short third downs is the problem. And if
you in the NFL, if your short third downs, the
offense can do anything they want to in their playbook.
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That's what happened yesterday. Tennessee short enough third downs, they
often went forward on fourth down. Of course, they were
trailing the game and chasing the game, so they had to.
But Seattle didn't do well enough in the early downs
to make third down long so their pastorists could get
after cam Ward, and Ward was elusive in the past rush.
When they did pass rusts after they lost containment, they
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allowed Ward to extend plays.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
All of that so I'm repeating myself.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
But there were a lot of concerning things about yesterday
that a better team, that result might not have been
the same.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
Okay, something that I don't think think any of us
were concerned about. Well, we might have been going into
the game would Grayzabel play?
Speaker 11 (12:04):
Well, he did. He's amazing.
Speaker 10 (12:06):
Mike McDonald called him unbelievable for being able to play.
Seven days later, you wrote an article you said, he's
quickly becoming.
Speaker 11 (12:12):
A folk hero. How impressive is greys Abel?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
He's all that in a bag of chips.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Actually, he is beyond beyond what they thought they were
going to get with him.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
They knew he'd start from day one.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
They didn't know he was going to not give up
any sacks all season long. They didn't know he'd play
off of a serious looking knee injury seven days later
against one of the best interior defensive linemen in the
league and Jeffrey Simmons. When I talked to him after game,
he was humbled by Simmons.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
He said that I joked with him at the start
of the interview.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
I said, so now you're indestructivile too, meaning he played
off the knee injury and he was thinking about Simmons
still and he said, no, no, no, far from it. Simmons
ninety eight is a great player, and he gave it
to me and I was watching him some of the binoculars.
He still blocks two guys on one play, Simmons got
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him a few times, especially quickness off the snap, and
he had a false start and a holding penalty.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
But really good and he is.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
He's solidifying that offensive line and the left side with
Charles Crofts signed at least through next year, and they're
going to try to work on extension compared to I mean,
think of Lake and Tomlinson and the guys they've left guard.
He's a quantum leap and he's only a rookie. He's
gonna only get better.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Well, I mean, if we're going to talk about people
that are really good, probably shouldn't go too much further
without talking about Jackson Smith and Jigba. I mean, breaking
the Seahawks singles season record. The guy just continues to
get it done, even though you know he's got to
be the focal point of every defense he's going against.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
That's it.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
They cover and they bracket him, they shade safeties over
to him, and he still gets opened. He it was
the touchdown the sixty three yard yesterday was an improv route.
It wasn't called that way when they saw they had
a safety manned up on him when he went in motion.
So that's when Smith and Jibobs changed his route and
then that play was made because the offensive line gave
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Darnold time. Often he doesn't get that much time to
have out Smith and Jigg but a run a forty
yard route from left to right, and that's what he did,
and he was able to cross the.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Field and become open.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
And when you have that much time, you're often going
to get Smith and jigbit open.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
But that play, in particular, sixty three yard touchdown. Guys,
he looked to me like Jerry Rice.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Oh wow, that's high praise. I would say we ended
up getting cut off there a little bit. I think
that they might have just yanked the phone out of
his hand and told him buckle your damn seat belt,
bell and take your spurs off. I'm not sure exactly
what went on there, but it is what it is.
We ended up getting quite a bit out of him,
and it actually leads us right into something that I
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wanted to talk with you about, was the Jackson, Smith
and Jig. But I mean he did he does look
like Jerry Rice. I mean at this point, I mean,
that's a huge praise. And I bet if Hugh Millon's
listening right, he's like you watch your mouth.
Speaker 10 (15:13):
Well, and to be fair, Greg said, the way he
was able to move his body and the way the speed, Yeah,
the off speed and things.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Well, that's the part that is the most impressive. I mean,
I expect every NFL wide receiver to catch the ball
when it's thrown right to his hands, right. I mean,
there's more difficult catches and easy ones, and he obviously
does that. His route running. Everybody knew coming out of
the draft that he was really good at that. I mean,
Hugh had broke down how this guy's played with some
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elite NFL wide receivers and yet he's known as the
top of the heap. He's the one that is known
as kind of having the it factor when it comes
to being a receiver.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
We saw him last year.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I mean, he had a great year last year, and
yet he was still we were always talking about why
isn't DK used more, Why isn't this and that DK's gone,
and now he's the focal point. I don't think anybody
was envisioning him doing what he's doing now. He brought
he breaks the Seahawks single season receiving record as far
as yards go with six games to go. Still, I mean,
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DK had the record. He ended up beating him this weekend.
Eleven games. He's had three games that he didn't go
over one hundred yards. Yesterday it was his first game
with multiple touchdowns, and yet that second possession of the
Seahawks was the first. Was that that long touchdown and
it si the sixty three yarder that basically they got
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that and they never looked back at that point.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
It was.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
There's just stuff that he does and I can't wait
to ask you about it because he's going to be
able to dissect it far better than I can. But
it's the it's obvious to me the idea of being
able to recognize where the ball is and where it's
going to be when it gets there, and that's something
that you can't measure.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
That you can't. I don't care how many times you
do the you can't measure it. Now.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Good scouts, NFL scouts, I'm sure can see that a
guy does it right where it's oh, that might be overthrown.
And they turn on the jets right and you see
some guys that they slow down for some reason and
all of a sudden they miss it by two inches.
It goes off their fingertips. I think Jackson Smith and
Jigba has maybe the best that I can remember as
far as the ability to win the balls in the air.
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He just recognizes what to do, and that one was
a prime example of I'm sure it's something that wide
receiver coaches try to teach guys. Where he's going, he's
running full speed, he recognizes where that ball is going
to come down, so he slows down just a little bit, forces,
you know, the dB to be Oh is it going
to be underthrown right? I don't want to do pi.
I don't want to run into him. I can't run
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through him. And then all of a sudden, the last second,
he speeds back up and just puts his hand on
him just a little bit, not a push off, doesn't
extend his arm just enough, like yep, that's as far
as you get to go, because I know the ball
is going to go right over your outstretched arm, and
then you know, breaks that one tackle and takes it
to the house. But it just as I mean, watching
this guy week after week, when you know that the
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opponent is saying, we can't let this guy go off
on us again, and yet you know, Tennessee not a
great team, but you know they I'm sure that their
thought was, we got to keep this guy from beating us.
And he still gets catches eight balls for one hundred
and sixty seven yards and two touchdowns. Pretty pretty unbelievable
season so far for this guy.
Speaker 11 (18:24):
Yeah, he's really fun to watch. He's incredible.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
Just on that sixty three yard touchdown to see like
the way you're talking about, yeah, that he slowed down
and then kind of took that extra step to pick
up speed again and the defender just stumbles because he
can't figure out what's happening and keep up. I mean,
he makes it look really easy, and it's I just
find it so funny because I don't hear him being
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talked about like we hear the great wide receivers get
talked about, And here he is just dominating the NFL
this year, and yeah, people cannot can't stop him. And
you know that was the thought last year after when
DK or in the off season when DK left, was well,
now you know, now everyone's attention is going to be
focused on JSN, So how is he going to do now?
The only reason he was really good last year was
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because everyone was focusing their attention on DK but clearly
that was not the case.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Yeah, Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I'm excited to hear more from from Hugh and we'll
have him from eight to ten and Coach will be
on for Mondaymoron Quarterback at from nine to ten, and
so I can't wait to hear their takes on this
kid and how amazing his season has been so far. Well,
we'll dive into more of that as this show goes on.
On the other side of the break, we were going
to discuss the Crack and they ended up winning one
(19:34):
and losing one back to back. Kind of a great
win and then a little bit of a heartbreaker yesterday,
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Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike hom Grin and Hugh Millin.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Here's Chuck and Buck. Welcome back to the Chucking Buck
in the Morning Show. It is the time that everybody
has been waiting for. It is the time when we
get to talk to the one and only Hugh Breedlove.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Milon.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
You know that your middle name is coming up whenever
I'm the one driving the bus. Rights all good, Yeah,
it's all good.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
It's the coolest middle name in the history of middle names.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
I'm not kidding. I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I didn't like it as a kid, but but it's
my uh my grandma on my dad's side, grandma Grandma
Grandma Jean was a breed Love. So yeah, it's pull
family name. It's a great cool it almost sounds like
a native it does you know a Native American.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Yes, yes, breed love sitting cloud. Yeah, yeah, I could.
I could see that. I could be with you guys.
Good good to have your brother. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
I I obviously uh Seahawks uh end up pulling out
the w right. Any any win in the NFL is
is something that you just say, ollkay, we'll chalk that
one up. And yet it was different than what you
don't make predictions and give scores, and understandably so because
it's I don't think anybody really knows what the heck
they're talking about when we do that. And yet I
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didn't think it was going to end up being as close.
General thoughts that you got that you took away from it,
considering you you went against what is now one in
ten teams and you you came it came down to
whether not there getting an on side kick and you
maybe start sweating it a little bit overall the tops.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Well, I think you touched on it. I think that
you get a win on the road in the NFL,
you stay healthy. You know, think of on a golf
on a score courts, there's an index for every hole,
the handicap on the hole right, and and and so
you look on a seventeen game schedule. This these Titans,
this was the easiest hole. This is a short par
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four with a wide fairway and a really relatively accessible green. Right,
and now the difference breaks down, you say, well, I
would expect, you know, try and birdy that. But you know,
in football it's you know, it's it's like par or
not par, win or not win. Right, So so you
get your par. What if you like to maybe played
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the whole a little better, fine, but you know, I
think it's real a couple of things for me. That
was a really emotional game last week against the Rams.
So now you're you're flying across the country. The Seahawks
have been great, going to three time zones, playing at
ten am.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
There.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Their inability to you know, to step on the throat
of inferior teams has not been a problem. Think of
the Norns games, Think of Jacksonville, think of Arizona. You know,
they they have been about as good as anybody in
that regard. So if if I told you before the season,
the Seahawks are going to win all their games against
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the poor teams, but one of them, you know you're
gonna get a late touchdown less than a minute I
don't know. Did they backdoor cover?
Speaker 6 (23:37):
What was the spread? I sah, yeah, it was like
thirteen and a half.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Right, okay, so so they backdoor cover under a minute.
You know, I just don't think it's a problem. I
think that uh, what if it would you you like
to be a little better? Yeah, but I don't think it.
I don't think it's one of those things where you say,
this is really a phenomenal job of keeping your your
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throttle down, and so it's they're worthy of praise. I
don't think they're worthy of criticism. I just think it's
kind of one of those It wasn't the best job,
but it was, Uh, it was sufficient. And in the NFL,
you just pick up your ball and you go to
the next hole.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Yep. No, I'm with you. I'm not one.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
I mean you got to give credit where credit's due.
It still is an NFL team. It's not like they
were playing you know, wasn't UCLA No, exactly exactly the
NFL equivalent of the Bruins.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Man that was that was that was ugly. We'll get
into that maybe a little bit later as well.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Hugh. I mean to me, if there was an amount
of criticism that I would give. It would pretty much
go up to and stop at there's a recipe that
you you try to come up with, right all week
you're thinking about it, what do we need to do
to beat this team? The recipe that they had I
don't feel would probably beat a superior team. Let's just
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go back a week against you know, Matthew Stafford. If
you allow an opponent to go six for seventeen and
third down, which isn't horrible, but five for seven or
four for seven, I keep mixing that everything. It was
five for seven on fourth down. You're probably not going
to win that game. Now, again, you don't get to
fourth downs unless you're they're not going to go for
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it seven times unless you're ahead by multiple scores, and
so it kind of plays into that. So just reading
the whole thing, it just felt like, Okay, if you
get if you jump out to a lead, then I
want you to put somebody away. And yet that's not
it's not necessarily something that needs to be overly criticized,
like you're saying, right.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Well, you're yeah, you're up by two touchdowns with forty
seven seconds to go in the game. One of them
was a ninety yard punt return. So right, the defense
until forty seven seconds to go had yielded ten points.
You know, look, they backed off the gas more than
they had in those other games that I mentioned. So
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so yeah, you know there's also some guys that were
playing that that are not you know, Ernest Jones wasn't
playing that. That's a big factor. So some of the
mistackles we saw. We saw some really good play by
by Patrick O'Connell when he was playing in a phone booth,
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but when he had to play out in space, he
showed some of his his limitations. Although I thought he
played a pretty gay game. You know when when it
was up, when you're up thirty to ten, okay, they
hit you for a post on a post wheel concept
up the right sideline. Well, the flat defender he has
what's called CFW, a curl flat wheel in that in
(26:50):
that coverage, Well, you have him to the flat and
what's the W part of it wheel? You got to
take him up the sideline. Well, that was in a
zone blitz with boy Mafey off in the flat. He's
not going to cover a wheel, So you know that
good on them. They they hit you on that time,
third and then there was a time where they played
Cover two and I mean I had to watch it
(27:12):
like four times. I'm like, wait a minute, that's a
two deep five under the middle guy. That's that's what
you call him the Michael linebacker. That was Josh job Like,
what the hell is I haven't seen Josh Joe play
the the hook zone in cover two the entire season. Uh,
you know there's a scramble. And by the way, cam Ward,
I've studied this guy a long time. My son started
(27:35):
against him twice in college, so I've seen him live
a lot. He played for the Cougars. I studied a
ton of them in Miami. The thirty third team asked
me to present him a few weeks back. I've watched
a ton of cam Ward. That guy. He doesn't have
elite athleticism. He has very good athleticism, but he has
I would say borderline elite feel in the pocket. Now,
(27:58):
sometimes he's late and he doesn't have elite anticipation by
quarterback standards, but when he starts playing that that off
script game, you know, I mean, his his ability to
feel open spots in the pocket is his next level.
And he didn't have a great team around him. But
(28:18):
but he kind of burned the Seahawks. I thought, I
thought that was a big factor. A number of times,
his his kind of instincts in the pocket was tough
to defend. I mean, there was a time where he
uh he he scrambles forward on his zone coverage and
and and that was the one with Josh Job over
(28:40):
the middle, and and he does a no look pass
on third and five. I'm like, what the I mean,
who's doing no look passes other than Patrick Mahomes And
and then and then there's an intensity. I mean that
he has a scramble touchdown and you look at guys
were playing so tall and just kind of catching block.
(29:00):
You would almost think the whistle blow and the Seahawks
just stopped playing. There was just a noted lack of intensity.
But the score was thirty to ten. And you know,
Patrick O'Connell missed. You know, he's he's not in there.
And then twenty three. I always want to call him,
it's de Anthony Bell. So they had guys in there
(29:23):
that are hardly ever in there. Those guys were the
ones at the point of attack. So I think I
just think it was a lot of different factors. I
don't expect it to carry over. And I'll tell you what,
I bet you Mike McDonald on that plane was driving
back or driving back, flying back and saying that that's
perfect because we won the game. We stayed healthy as
(29:49):
far as I know, we don't have any additional injuries,
and yet we got some lessons we can We can
talk about focus, we can talk about breakdowns and in
ways that you couldn't in some of you know, the Commanders,
the Jaguars, the Cardinals, the Saints, all of those total blowouts,
it's harder to get the team's attention about, hey, this
(30:10):
is a breakdown here. We got to fix this. And
so they'll be able to point to some things and
be able to fix them.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Right Well, what he would need to be fixed when
it comes to our quarterback, I mean Sam Darnold. Good game,
decent game, two touchdowns, no picks. It wasn't there was
a couple of balls that probably could have went the
other direction. But coming off of this game that he
had last week and all of the stuff that came
down after that, people were, you know, second guessing this,
(30:36):
that and the other.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
How he rebound to you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I thought he looked real good I think, you know,
they're not to say he didn't have any minuses on
his sheet, but but he cranked up the big plays.
He was productive. He you know, he navigated the pocket.
I mean, I know we're going to be talking about
those JSN touchdowns here in a minute and some of
his progress. But his reads were for the most part good.
(31:01):
I think there was a couple of times, you know,
he had he threw that out route down in the
red zone off to his left, that JSN was a
little too high for him. Uh, that was a press
coverage what's called oki route. That's that's kind of hard
against press coverage. Had he worked the combination on the
front side, he had Cooper cup wide open. Uh, might
(31:25):
have been a walk in touchdown on a little choice
route where he broke inside. So I think his recognition
on on that and and a couple other plays where
he you know, I think he predetermined some routes. It
looked like he predetermined to throw to Receie Chihat on
(31:46):
that post where he got hit. So I would I
would I would dig him for his pocket awareness in
the pre uh determination. But I think they're still working
on resid shaheat and trying to get him. But because
when when they were acquire Rashid Shaheed, it felt to
me like, Okay, that's just kind of a luxury acquisition.
(32:07):
I don't quite feel that way now. I feel like
it's a little bit more of a necessity with Tory
Horton's injury, and while Cooper Cup has been a great
addition in terms of in the building and how he's
impacted others, notably JSN and and everybody, so I think
(32:28):
it's almost like you acquired a coach, but it has
not been productive on the field. So I think that
Rashi Shaheed was more of a necessity. That's my opinion today,
more so than it was on November fourth when he
was acquired. And so they're still trying to work like
they had a wrap route where they had Aj Barner
(32:48):
kind of sit and try and hold the cheese for
the linebacker and then you're gonna he's at the short
level Barner, and then you're gonna get an inbreaking route
with Shaheed coming in behind it. Well, Sam Donald reads
there's a initially at the snap of the ball, he
sees a safety or to his left. Okay, this'll be
(33:08):
Sam Donald. We're in shotgun, we see the staate okay,
safety is over the apparently over the top of of
Jackson Smith and Jigba to double him over the top,
but we have to confirm that on post snap and
then and then now post snap, the safety comes down
to play in what's called the hook zone. So think
(33:29):
of in this defense. It was I've I've referenced it
to now baseball infield and outfield. So imagine the guy,
that guy who's ultimately going to be in the shortstop position.
That's the hook zone defense on the left. But he
starts kind of in left center. Got me so pre
pre snap he's in left center. Now he drops down
and he's he's your shortstop. Well, Donald sees that and
(33:53):
he wants to hold him up because the U to
carry out the analogy Reichi, he is is going over
the top top of this and behind the second baseman,
going right over the middle of the field, right over
the top of second base. But you gotta worry about
the shortstop coming over who came down from left center.
So Darnold sees the coverage. He's trying to hold him up,
but Rashid Shi he doesn't. He's flying like a bat.
(34:15):
Out of hell into the next window and in zone.
Those are the type of things where where you see
JSN just intuitively, he just knows. He's just like I
know exactly how to be quarterback friendly. I'm gonna turn
my full numbers. My quarterback wants to see my front number,
my front jersey number, as opposed to my side jersey number,
(34:36):
which he would see if I was screaming through. And
so I'm gonna show you my front numbers that I'm
idling down in boom and then you get an easy completion.
But for them to have missed on that play, Eliza Royo, Man,
I had done my homework last week about all the
second round tight ends, where the hell is the list?
But you're getting nothing out of Eliza Royo. So you know,
(35:02):
there's some things I would have liked to have worked
on for Sam Donald. But so I think those are
still a work in progress, and hopefully before you tee
up the RAMS on December eighteenth, you can still develop
these things.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Right, and there is time for that. I mean, we're
getting close to it. But I do want to ask
one thing. When you're talking about being familiar, right, you
were talking about Rashid Jahad and they're trying to figure
that out. I think Arroyo might fall into that same category, right,
he was just drafted and he had training camp versus
you see the picture before training camp where Jackson Smith
and Jigbu and Cooper Cup and aj Barner and it
(35:38):
wasn't you know Barnell was there too, where they're all
getting ball thrown to them by Sam Donald. So how
I mean, we don't have much time, but how easy
is it to acquire that familiarity?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
It takes a while, the precisions in the details. Some
guys are easier to read. There's more of a cohesion
early on with guys there's a mess. Obviously. Sam Darl
came in and he could just read JSN like like braille. Right,
others guys it takes longer. Rashichi, he doesn't is not
as instinctive. But uh, and here's my list of my
(36:12):
kind of my beef. Now, uh, the way I works sometimes,
you know, I have I have kind of a theme.
Maybe I'm gonna take the kg A radio. Okay, I'm
gonna get I'm gonna give you Bucky a window into
my thoughts. And I say, wait a minute, I've watched
some tape I've got. I got a little hunch, I
got a little feeling in my gut. Let me see
if I can find some facts to kind of support
(36:33):
my my hypothesis. And and then I come and usually
if I can find those facts, I come in, you know,
blazing on that take right.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Candidly.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
My, my, the facts didn't support my hypothesis as much
as I had thought it does to some degree. And
then here's what I thought. I looked at Eliza Royo
coming into He's on the pace for twenty coming into
this week. Now it's uh, it's it's because he didn't
have anything yesterday. But he was on the pace for
twenty four catches two hundred and ninety six yards. I said,
(37:05):
I'm gonna look at Trey McBride. Second round. They're both
second round picked. Trey McBride was the fifty fifth pick,
Arroyo was the fiftieth. Man. I bet, I bet Trey
McBride and his rookie year just smoked it. Well, not really.
He only had twenty nine catches for two sixty five
almost so. But and then Pat Fryermouth for the Steelers, Ah,
(37:26):
he had sixty catches for four ninety seven, cole co
met twenty eight catches.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
The big guy.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
The big guy, if I wanted to really bring it
is Sam Laporta. You know, he had eighty six catches
for eight hundred and eighty nine yards. So I think
that's a little bit of a mixed bag. But for
the most part, I'll hold to my my, my, uh
my take, which is that you're not getting enough out
of Elijah royal To as of today to have justified
(37:56):
using the fiftieth pick on him. There's a lot of
time advance, As we said, Tredy McBride certainly vaulted from
year two and beyond, so so we'll see. But I'm
just looking and saying, how the hell are we gonna
beat the Rams. That's not necessarily what Mike McDonald's thinking.
He probably has it in the back of his mind,
like we got to keep getting better. That's one thing
(38:17):
I learned on Don. You'd learned a lot from your
high school or college baseball coach. I learned a lot
from Don James is you have to keep getting better
during the season. He would repeat that over and over.
We have to improve, we got to be better, keep going,
keep and so I think as we sit there and say, Okay,
what can what can how can sam Donold be better
against the Rams? It's some of those things a better
(38:39):
feel where she'd say he maybe Eliza Royo poppin but uh,
you know, but let's not do anything to detract from
what's going on with j s n.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Right. Well, we're gonna dive into that. I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
That was one of the things last night that I
was I can't wait to hear what you think about this.
How you can give us some insight of the tricks
of the trade that this guy obvious has. We'll dive
into Jackson Smith and Jigba in the record breaking game
that he had yesterday on the other side of the
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Speaker 2 (39:29):
They're really a great asshit that they brought in Starnold
with time going up top for Jackson Smith and Jagba
drops into the bucket and he walked back pedal for
a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
That is Jackson Smith and Jigba. I am Bucky Jacobson.
That's Ashley Ryan and we are joined for another better
part of two hours. Here another five segments with the
one and only Hugh Millan. Hugh that catch yesterday. I
want to dive into that a little bit because I
think you can give some insight. I'm watching it and
(40:03):
there's something about the recognizing the ball and I know
I've heard you talked about this before.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
You can dive into it further.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Like how quickly Jackson Smith and Jigbas seems to recognize
where the ball is actually going to come in relation
to how fast he's running whereas defender is because to me,
it looked like he almost slows up, shields him off
with his body, then accelerates a tiny bit, puts his
hand out just not a push off, but just a yeah,
that's as close as you get, and then it drops
(40:31):
it in the bucket. I mean, is there Are you
seeing the same things that I'm seeing or am I
imagining something when it comes.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
To this dude's ball skills?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, well you know this from outfielders, you know how
they have to track the ball right off the crack
of the bat. You know, that's that's a key component.
I mean, if it takes you a split second longer
you take a bad first step on an angle, then
you can make a play in the gap look really
difficult or not make the play, Whereas if you know
(41:00):
somebody who just has that in eight sense, they just
kind of glide over and they make it look routine right. Well,
on that play third and six at the minus thirty seven,
here's a a couple of key points. It's the Seahawks
are on a trip right. Trip's right, and the defense
would call that the JSN was he motioned over. He
lines up as number three counting outside in, so he's
the inside guy out of three he's going. They were
(41:24):
able with the motion and everything in the coverage. They
were able to match up against a safety number thirty seven,
a Monti Hooker. So Hooker is in outside leverage, he
has the coverages man and man. There's a post safety deep,
but because they're only rushing four instead of five, there's
also a shallow hole player. So think of it like
(41:44):
a deep free safety in center field and then a
shallow free safety in the in the in the low middle,
so he's he's trying to funnel any in breaking route
and he has outside leverage on an outbreaking route. So
as as Jayson goes up the field bay that now
I just described the outside leverage. That's a horizontal relationship
(42:06):
I'm describing. There's also what's called the high solder or
the low shoulder. If he were to get excessively the
defender excessively on the high shoulder, meaning way down the field,
you could JSN could cross his face and flatten it.
But because he was more or less even, JSN says, okay,
we're even I'm leaving, I'm going over the top. I'm
(42:27):
taking a high angle. But from a quarterback perspective, you say,
wait a minute, that I got I'm trying to throw
an outbreaking route and the defenders on the outside leverage
and JSN does not have elite long speed against a corner,
but it's against the safety, so he has a step
and then now it's what you're talking about. Donald throws
(42:48):
the ball high. It was The NFL measured it at
forty three air yards. That's from the line of scrimmage.
I calculated because I'm a nerd and a a square
plus b square to cease if you can calculate the
uh the hypot news that's a fifty three yards in
the air, okay, from the hand of of of Darnold
(43:09):
until it arrives at JSN. Now, as you said, here's
the part about JSN that has flat out elite as
good as as as any of the receivers who's ever
played this game. Wow, when he turns and and he's
locating that ball, as you said, he'll slow down, he'll
(43:29):
use his body and and and he also it also
did it in the red zone. And maybe we'll have
time to describe that. But that hand fighting, he's just
totally immune to the distraction. And then the hand push
that you talked about, This is just the high IQ
Michael Irvin had it. I played with him where there's
(43:49):
a subtlety to to It's like goldilocks in the porch.
Not too hot, not too cold. How much am I
going to push off on the defender? Not too little,
I won't get the separation to make the play. Not
too much I'll get an OPI. It's just right, and
it's always just right with this guy. And then and then,
(44:09):
and then just the ability, the late hands ability. It's
like if it touches his hands, it's it's like it's
like he's got I don't know, flypaper. That sounds like
a week old analogy. But but he just refuses to
drop a ball that is remotely catchaball, particularly those deep ones.
Tyler Lockett had a little bit of that skill, but
(44:33):
this guy, Uh, just the but he would use his body.
This guy can and just go with guys, you know,
grabbing in his arms and knelbles and pushing and running
full speed and slowing down as you said. I mean,
it's just incredible. It's also worth noting, uh that ball
was was held three three point zero seconds is what
(44:53):
the NFL had that the the offensive line because it's
third down, there was a to the outside of of
Abe Lucas was a what a five technique which is
outside the tackle, and then there's a nine technique way
out there. So the the Titans had widened their defensive
(45:13):
line what uh, in ways that you would never do
on first and second down. And so at the snap
of the ball, Gray's abel he's blocking the three technique
outside the right side of the line. Bradford and Lucas
are are blocking those guys and the the vision that
opened up, you could see a thousand pass plays. You're
(45:35):
never gonna see better, a better protection better.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
It was like it was like seven on seven for
Sam Darnold. There was nobody around him, nobody in his vision,
and he was able to uh uh you you watch
his steps and he takes three hitches on the play
because he thought he was going to a short of
a shorter route, but he takes He's able to take
(46:01):
three steps and hold the ball and wait for all
this to develop because of how Tennessee played it in
the pass blocking, so a lot going into that. But
JSN is just next level at finishing. That's what I
put on my notes, how he can finish because you know,
because one thing to go out, you know, unless you
have a guy that can actually close the sale when
(46:24):
the ball is right there to be caught, the rest
of it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Yeah, Well, I mean that's an awesome breakdown. We're going
to get a little bit more into that when we
have Homegun next hour, just because there's a part of
Greg Bell had said, I felt like I saw like
glimpses of a Jerry Rice and I just thought, oh
my gosh, that's a name to come up. But you
just said that his ball skills or that maybe it's
(46:51):
the finishing way in which he can finish is as
good as anybody that.
Speaker 6 (46:55):
You've seen, So I would not go ahead. I'm sorry. Well,
I'm just saying we're gonna get into that some more.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
I'm gonna be able to have you and coach kind
of go back and forth a little bit about JSN
when we get him on the air.
Speaker 6 (47:07):
But Ice would not be my comp.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I'll just say that I got a couple other ideas,
but Rice would not be my comp. That would be
interesting to see what Coach Holmgren says.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
I would have a hard time thinking he's going to
say he's his comp either, even while he's given him
as many accolades as he deserves at this point, being
the all time leading Seahawks receiver for a single season
is pretty impressive when you have six games to go.
So on the other side of this, though, Hugh, I
want to get into a little bit about the college coaching.
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Holmgrin and Hugh Millen. Here's Chucking Buck.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Touchdown the sixty three yard yesterday. It was an improv route.
It wasn't called that way.
Speaker 8 (48:40):
When they saw they had a safety manned up on
him when he went in motion. That's when Smith and
Jicobs changed his route and then that play was made
because the offensive line gave Darnold time.
Speaker 9 (48:49):
Often he doesn't get that much time to have out
Smith and Jiggy to run a forty yard route from
left to wreck, and that's what he did, and he
was able to cross the field and become open.
Speaker 8 (48:59):
And when you have that much time, you're often going
to get Smith and jigg hoping.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
But that play in particular, sixty three yard touchdown. Guys,
he looked at me like Jerry Rice.
Speaker 8 (49:10):
His body control, his speed is changing of speed on
the defensive back.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
That was Greg Bell we had on earlier. We actually
had him on I think at like midnight or something.
We had to have we recorded him before the show
because he was getting on a plane. He might have
actually been having a lady buckle his own seat belt
for him right there. But by the way, one thing
before I get into this, actually I did not realize
these guys, I mean, the knowledge and wisdom we get
(49:39):
from coach Holmgren and Hugh there's we must be paying
a pretty penny for that, because I mean, these guys,
there's like eighty seven sponsors for these.
Speaker 11 (49:47):
There's a lot, yeah, I mean a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
I think a lot of people want to be attached
to you, guys. Well, there's one attach to me. I
think eighty six attached to Hugh.
Speaker 6 (49:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
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multiple cars from them.
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Speaker 5 (50:04):
You got all kinds of you got all kinds of stuff, Coach,
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I could. I have five dollars. Would that give me anything? No,
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and done. Welcome back to Sports Radio ninety three point
three k yards the Chuck and Buck Show minus Chuck,
just Buck and Ashley. But the last hour we had Hugh.
(50:25):
We got all of his insight, or some of his insight.
There's more in that big brain on. It always is more.
There's always there's always more, Coach, but there's always more
in you. I called George Wisdom. Right now we get
the wisdom of the show. We had just played a highlight.
We'll get to the general thoughts. I want to get
into this JSN thing first. So we just played a
(50:45):
little bit of the snippet of Greg Bell coming on earlier,
and he even threw out the Jerry Rice name and
in some of the things that he's seeing out of him.
I talked to Hugh about it last hour, and yet
he hasn't got to get into his com shit. When
somebody says what they're seeing JSN do reminds them of
Jerry Rice? Is there any part of you that's seeing
(51:07):
that or is it somebody else that you're seeing? Well,
you know, when I watch him play, this is js N.
You know, I'm He's he's great. I mean, he is
really something. He's special.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
I'm always I've always been reluctant to compare players, however,
you know, because I've been asked many times. You know,
you got you had Montanna, you had young, you had five,
you had asked the fact, who was the best one.
I'm I'm you know, they're all great, and they're all
great in their own way. Jerry Rice, though, is acknowledged
to be the finest receiver that's played the game. His
(51:40):
number has proved that he was bigger. He's bigger, bigger
man than js NU. But uh so, I'd be reluctant
to compare him. Yet jess N is just starting. He's
just starting in his career.
Speaker 6 (51:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
But having said that, I watch him, he is really something.
He makes it look easy. He's got great hands, he
knows how to get open, he understands defenses. It seems
to me very clearly. So he's great. I just just
put the brakes on just a little bit. Comparing him to.
Speaker 5 (52:16):
Jerry Rice, Yeah, I understand, Hugh. Where would you didn't
get to really say who your comp would be.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Well, the reason I look as far as as the
hands and the finishing ability. Jerry Rice came in the
league and he he dropped a lot of balls his
rookie year. There were people were down on him and
and he just willed himself into having great hands and
he was dynamic run after the catch. The reason I
wouldn't camp Jerry Rice Mike is Jerry Rice was six
(52:45):
foot two, very high cut guy, long legged at six
foot two, and you know they say he didn't have
elite speed. Nobody ever caught him, But I just thought
that he had an ability. Rice's great uh impression on me.
I was in the NFC West Rams and Falcons played
twice a day. Mike coached him. So Mike has a
(53:07):
far better and intricate knowledge. But I would see Rice.
He could get full speed going really quick, he could
stop really quick for a large man, and he could
accelerate back going really quick. So I think there was
a stop and acceleration elite part of his game. But
the body control, you know. Again, Jerry Rice was a
(53:27):
taller guy and log legged. Deboot you've got in JSN
six foot and a half and short legged. So his
speed cuts and radius turns, they look different to my
eye than Jerry Rice. To me, I would say like
a Reggie Wayne would be a comp. Possibly a Tim Brown,
(53:49):
you know, right around that height. Andre Risen I played
with Andrey Risen. Mike coached him in a Super Bowl.
I think Riisen would be a comp for me, you know,
maybe Andre for the bills for those who can remember him.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
How about Steve? How about Steve Smith?
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Steve Smith, I would Mike, I would almost push him
into a shorter cat. You know, he was little stronger
and stockier, so so I would put put him in
the five nine five ten stocky category. Whereas Rice, I think,
you know Tim Brown, you know, Isaac Bruce and and
Tory Holt were around that height, but I think they
were skinnier.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
They were beautiful route runners. But I think in I
think Isaac Bruce would be a smaller Jerry Rice and
in stylistically, but I would I would go with maybe
a Reggie Wayne. I mean, Reggie Wayne's at that height
has the fourth most amount of receiving yards in the
history of the NFL. That's a compliment to you to
say him, but uh, you know, and for guys, I
(54:47):
played with Andre Rise and had great body controlled due
to his stature, you know, strong legs, relatively short legs,
but that allowed him to do those those quick radius
speed turns, Mike.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
So if he's just if he just wear a shirt
on the airplane, Andre Rison, then we could really compare
him to a lot of people, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (55:09):
The story there.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Then take us down that Yeah, take us down the
aisle on that airport.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
No, we signed Andre Rison and he helped us win
the Super Bowl, and I really liked him. You know,
he's a little bit of a wacky guy, you know.
But first game he's traveling with us. We're traveling and
I had always told the flight attendants, if there is
a problem of any kind, and we didn't have a
bunch of problems, but if there's a problem of any kind.
(55:36):
Come to me, don't go to don't go to anyone else.
Come to me and I'll handle it. She comes up
to me and goes, mister Homegern, I have I to
spit it out. What's wrong? Well, there's a young man
in the back. He's doesn't have any clothes, he doesn't
have his shirt on or anything, you know, and they're
eating dinner. So I go back there and rises there
(55:59):
he's eating no shirt. I go, how are you doing? Andre? Oh,
good coach, he's a good food. I said, listen, let
me ask you a question. Look around the room and
tell me what's different. And he goes, oh, you mean
my shirt? I said, yes, yeah, you nailed your shirt.
(56:20):
I said. He goes, what I listen, I always want
everyone to wear all their clothes when they're eating dinner. Okay,
so put on your shirt, and in the future, wear
your clothes when you're eating dinner. Okay, okay, okay, sure
he puts it on here, that's it, no reason.
Speaker 6 (56:36):
Okay, well yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
But getting back to the important stuff. No, he was.
He was really good. But you know what, he had
trouble remembering plays? Oh he did, so, I told Farv
every time you call a play. Now he was new
to us. Before you break the huddle, look at him
and say do this. Just tell him he couldn't hear
the play, and say what to do? You know, I
(56:59):
get it, Yeah, I get it. I stopped playing in
high school and Ray Brown was my coach. I don't
remember him.
Speaker 5 (57:04):
He was a in the NFL with the Browns, and
he would get so frustrated because there was they'd call
plays sometimes and I'm like, I just beg.
Speaker 6 (57:13):
What well, and He's like, go get the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
No, okay, Rising. I coached a number of Pro Bowls
and you'd have you know, Herman Moore, you'd have Michael Irvin,
the guys of Hugos and then Rizon and Jerry Rice,
all these great receivers. So I called plays from the sideline,
you know, and I get Rising. I go, okay, run
(57:37):
twenty two z in, which is a simple play ran
all the time. And he'd go okay, he'd run in there,
which was twenty yards to the huddle, and Rynald mcdani
look over me, he goes Rising in that time forgot
I forgot.
Speaker 5 (57:52):
What to call, and I go okay, all right, So
he wasn't he wasn't the one with the green before
a green dots were a thing.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
Then we're doing a disservice to JASN because JSN has
a football IQ apparently, Mike just watching the tape. Oh no,
it's like next level stuff. He is what do you
see with him?
Speaker 3 (58:14):
He is unbelievable and and he does it. He does
it all. And he catches the ball so well in
his body mechanics, and he's not a big, big guy,
but he boy, he is hard to cover and he's
always open. I'm going, how what are teams when they're
preparing for the Seahawks? You start defensively, you start, what
(58:36):
are we going to do about that young man? What
are we going to do? And no one's done it?
No one, in my opinion, has done it. Now I'm
looking at I'm looking at.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
Their defensive backs I thought were really bad, really bad
in that game, you know, from spacing and angles and
all sorts of stuff from contain on the run. I
just thought that they had a very poor game offense defensively.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Mike, you know, just picking up on his instincts. There
was a play the sex are down in the red
zone at the Tennessee thirteen yard line and on a
little on a five and in. I don't know if
you called it a China or finn whatever your terminology was,
but but I'm watching this and Jaysn gets his right
(59:24):
foot is outside foot to a seven the seven and
a half yard line. But then as the play is
getting slow, he's going into the teeth of his own defense.
I believe on that one it was a two deep
five hunder, So he's going into the the curl defender
on the opposite side, Mike passed the hook defender, and
as he's going in there, Darnold is kind of moving
(59:45):
around the pocket. Jaysn loses ground and he goes. He
goes from the seven and a half yard line of Tennessee.
He loses ground back to the eleven yard line. The
NFL categorized it as to two air yards. Now he
was able to avoid that guy and get the sideline.
(01:00:06):
That was only he only got one yard out of
the play, so it's it's not gonna make anybody's highlight team.
But Mike, I was sitting there thinking if I had
to wait for the next time I saw a receiver
do that lose that much ground? Instinctively to help the
quarterback and get in front of that zone defender. I
don't know how long i'd look. I mean, he just
(01:00:27):
does stuff that is just so next level with his IQ.
Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
Yeah, no, he is.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
He's a special player and uh listen, that's what that's
what they need. Contrary to that, I think the new
the new young man that they got what's his name,
the receiver. Yeah, uh, you know we always in you
knows this and Buck when you go you call a
pass play and you don't you don't. You think you
(01:00:53):
know if it's going to be zone or man, but
then it's not. It's what it's something else you know
you think is own that is man. The receiver has
it to make adjustments on that too. You don't run
and cover yourself and you see the receivers do that
all the time, and it blows my mind just a
little bit, because you know it's a man route you're
(01:01:14):
crossing and all of a sudden, no, it's zone. But
you don't go in the next zone. You stop in
the hole. So you make adjustments that way too. And
I heard you coming over, Hugh that he's new. He's new,
and they need him to start doing those types of
things as well, in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
M hmm, yeah, yeah, he's reading you know, man and
and and the quarterbacks expect him to idle down in
those holes, right.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
But you see that all the time, you know, you
see it all the time in games when you're watching
games that receivers run into coverage, run in and make
it easy for the defense. And that's the one of
the things we stress in our offensive stuff is that, Listen,
you got to think out there, you're not just running,
you know, so read it that way, Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
When I was in Dallas, I think Jason Garrett said
one of the most clear and succinct and accurate comments
about a receiver. Jason was talking about Michael Irvin. Was
on the practice field and Irvin had on a comeback. Mike,
he the ball was a little inside. Troy had thrown
it a little inside, but Mike, Michael Irvin cut off
(01:02:25):
the defender, used his body and then still kept as
opposed to try and catch it on his inside shoulder
where the defender could have a swipe at the ball.
Michael instinctively right off Troy's hand, would you know, cut
off the defender and then reached to the outside and
Jason just said, I'm he's the absolute best. I've never
(01:02:48):
seen a guy that has a quicker awareness of where
his body is, where the ball is, and the defender,
and he always keeps himself between the defender and the ball.
And we saw Jasn he he it was just a
quick uh omaha route, you know, the five yard out route,
but it's a little late. And remember when jaysn over
(01:03:11):
on that left sideline, he like curls back. He's almost
turning into a curl back to the quarterback, losing ground,
and and and and it reminded me of of of
Jason's comment about Michael Irvin. The great ones have an
instinctive awareness to keep their body between the defender and
the ball. And he did you know it was on
display a number of times yesterday.
Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
Yeah, I mean, I'm with you on that. And coaches
coach was noding there.
Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
I think that the idea of of how the ball
skills part of it. You Hugh had brought it up
earlier when we were talking of like an outfield or
understanding angles and then you anticipate, you take the angle
based on where you think the ball is going to
come down. And if if you're bad at it, then
you're taking a different route. The difference between that and
(01:03:59):
what jsn's doing and some of these great receivers he
gets brought up is there was nobody trying to guard me,
cover me and trying to knock me down or tackle
me when I was running down balls in a gap.
And so it's pretty it's pretty crazy what the JSN
has been able to do, especially just two years in
to the league.
Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
I mean, it's when you when.
Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
You talk about learning things, I mean the the I
would think you being quarterback guru, but really just an
offensive guy. When it comes to the idea of a
wide receiver that comes in as a rookie and is
automatically a little bit maybe above where you would typically
think of wide receiver as a rookie is going to be.
How big of a security blanket is that coach for
(01:04:39):
for the quarterback to just know this guy's he's basically
another offensive coordinator out there, just like I'm supposed to be. Yeah,
that's that's huge.
Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
And I think I've read and heard that Sam and
and and Jays, they their relationship and the thing and
how they react in meetings is really something special. And
that happened early. It doesn't always happen as a rookie.
In fact that it's kind of rare. Actually, it takes
a little time to kind of fit in Hugh's point
(01:05:07):
about Jerry Rice, and that was a year before I
got there. But he dropped it. He did drop a
lot of balls his rookie year, and then he somehow
he realized why and he made the adjustment. But what
this young guy has done in a very short period
of time is really special. My hope is he stays
healthy and keeps going and then like the record he broke,
(01:05:31):
there's there's five how many games we got left?
Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
Six?
Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Six games left? I mean it's gonna be. Yeah, the
new record's going to be off the charts.
Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
Yeah, stay healthy.
Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
At this point it might be it might be time
to start some countdown of whether or not he can
he can pass all of them and be I mean
it's uh, well it was Cooper Cup had its Calvin
Johnson ends up having the record right at almost twenty
yards nineteen hundred and sixty four.
Speaker 6 (01:05:56):
At this point, he's on pace.
Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
You gotta stay healthy and keep putting up numbers and
throwing it, getting strikes thrown to them, so well, that
was a good breakdown of JSN what he brings to
the table. I do want to get into some of
the other factors of the game that we watched yesterday.
I mean, the Seahawks end up winning that bad boy
wasn't as pretty as some people would have protected. But
at the same time, I think you have to remember
(01:06:20):
you're going up against another NFL team. So we'll get
coaching Hughes insight a little bit more about this game
on the other side of ninety three point three KGRFM.
Speaker 7 (01:06:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
On second at four, play action, Darnold to the end zone.
Spit didn't shake, but with his second touchdown of the
day thirteen yards at Seattle storms down the field to
grab six out of the locker room.
Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Well, thank you Fox for that highlight there. Welcome back
to the Monday Morning Quarterback portion. We do have coach
Holmgren and Hugh Millen here for a couple more segments.
We just broke down JSN and the record breaking season
that he's having up to this point. You guys, that
was amazing stuff.
Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
Coach.
Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
We I haven't gotten to just the overall. Just the
Seahawks go on the road, go beat Tennessee. It's not
a good team. They only win by six. I think
you have most people are just happy.
Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
It's a w.
Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
It doesn't say oh W minus. It's not like an
A plus or an A. It's just you win or
you lose.
Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
And they won.
Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
And yet I'm wondering for you. You go and beat a
team you were up by significantly more than six majority
of the game, and yet it comes down to there's
an on side possibility there at the end that would
have gotten Harry, had they got that any worry, any
concerns that you got after watching that.
Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Game, No, not really. I was really they should have
won the game. I felt that were going to win
the game. It started that way, you know, at halftime
it was what sixteen to three, and then it became
twenty three to three, So they were in control of
the game most of the time. And then but then
give credit to Tennessee, they never quit. They had that
(01:08:17):
punt return kind of ignited something in them, gave them
something more to play for that made it close at
the end. But it really wasn't that close, even though
the on side kick and all that, because you're playing
in the game first of all, you're away game all
those things, and a wins win. So what they're thinking now,
(01:08:38):
I think, And they had to play a bunch of
young men. I didn't know their names really, I mean,
I'm learning them. But they played a bunch of different
people in there and still came away with a w.
So I think they're going to feel pretty good. But
there are corrections to be made, and so there are
lessons to be learned here. So maybe in the long
(01:08:59):
run this type of game will help them even moving
forward down the future.
Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
Yeah, Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
In the first quarter, the Seahawks played a cover one
man to man defensively, uh four on four times, and
and they got beat on those crossing routes and and
uh you know, notably on a third and three where
Leonard Williams was the four tech Bucky that's just head
(01:09:26):
up over the tackle and Leonard Williams goes into the
b gap that's on cam Ward's right side, he's a
right handed quarterback. It's very easy for him to just
fuel that he can break the pocket. And then you
got man to man, the shallow cross Mike comes from
the opposite direction and next thing you know, you get
the Titans have exactly a twenty five yard gain on that.
(01:09:49):
And and there was other crossing routes that they had
they had and then McDonald the just you know, the
second quarter there was zero cover and derivatives of cover
one and for the second they only had three. So
again four in the first quarter, only three for the
remainder of the game in the second half. As you
saw that, what were you thinking, either from an offensive
(01:10:13):
perspective or if you're the head coach and your defensive
keeps calling these man and man's, we're getting burned on
the crossing routes. Just take us into your thoughts on
the x's and no'se on that.
Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Well, you know, I told you when I had my
defensive coordinators, I didn't mess with them too much during
the ball game. But if I would, I would recognize
what you said in that first quarter and the drives
and then so the one thing I would say is
a hey, it's not the man for man, stuff isn't working,
you know, go to something else. I wouldn't tell them
(01:10:42):
exactly what coverage is and all that kind of stuff,
but you know, let's get away from that because that's
hurting us just a little bit. And I think they
had this, they had different people playing. He likes to
do different things, Mike McDonald. There's really a lot of
activity I think with their defense, so sometimes just to
play zone. But they react well in my opinion, to
(01:11:05):
the balls being thrown and different things. So that's what
I would change, and that's obviously what he would change,
and he changed.
Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
I don't know if the defensive coordinator just said I
should do this and or Mike said do this. Mike
calls the defenses, so you know, I imagine he had
a big part of that. But I think it had
to do with the different people that were playing during
the game.
Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Yeah, I mean there was I think defensively, Yeah, there
was multiple guys that were out and some big ones.
Hugh had already kind of mentioned Ernest Jones, which obviously
the quarterback of the defense.
Speaker 6 (01:11:41):
That's a big one. You could get away with.
Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
It against the Tennessee Titans, and you did, and so
hopefully he'll be back before too long. I want to
touch on, you know, as much as we can in
this segment the run game aspect of things. I mean,
ken Walker ends up with eleven carries for seventy one yards.
I mean that's a six and a half yard per clip.
I'm pretty good. I think a lot of people be like,
there was that one possession. It was towards the end
(01:12:06):
of the third quarter where they hand him the ball.
He runs for nineteen yards, then he runs for eleven yards,
then he catches one for like twenty nine yards, and
then they bring Zach Charbaday in to basically get the touchdown.
But that made it thirty to ten. I think thirty
to ten, and it was it was kind of one
of those like can you do that more? Was there
more of that?
Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
Was that just.
Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
A good play call? Or was that we're just going
to lean on him right here? Did you like the
way that they use the running game or was that
something you still wish they'd use some more of. I
would like to see them use some more of that.
You said it yourself. Eleven carries for most teams if
you have the number one back or you're starting back,
(01:12:50):
you're going to hand him the ball more than eleven
times mostly unless it's not working, then you might bring
in the change of pace, you give him a blow,
or go to more passes or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
But he was, he was good yesterday. He and they
blocked for him. Part of that I think was Tennessee,
I thought, and I mentioned this earlier. They're contained and
their their angles on the outside by linebackers and secondary people.
I thought was really weak. So do it more, I mean,
run more. And uh, I don't. I can't answer Bucky
(01:13:27):
why exactly they're playing him the way they're playing him.
If I have a chance to sit down with Mike,
I would ask him exactly that question, you know, and
just he gets to decide. And uh, Charbonnay's good player. Uh,
And he looked good. He looked good when he got
in there. He piled it in their different style. But
(01:13:47):
I would like to see Walker touch the ball more.
I think that they'll our offense will be maximized at
that point.
Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
You know, Mike, I was uh really pleased to have
been or appreciative is the better word. Appreciative to have
been challenged by Bucky on Friday about pass blocking between
Zach Charbonnat and K nine. And my my initial response was,
(01:14:18):
I don't see an appreciable difference between, you know, having
studied the tape a lot, hadn't grinded on the details
of that. So after the show, you know, in the afternoon,
before I went on with Softie later, I had some time,
and so I looked at all thirty five of Charbonnet's
pass blocking and all eighteen of Kenneth Walker's. And obviously
(01:14:44):
you're going to tell us that that's an important thing
to be able, you know, for running back to pass block.
But I basically put him in five grades. You know,
if you had a satisfactory you know, you did your
job like an NFL player, you know, that was that
was nothing. You got a plus if you did something
you did your job but it was difficult to do,
(01:15:05):
you know, like a physical step up. Okay, he did
a good job on that linebacker. A double plus would
be if he did something just like above and beyond right,
and then a minus if he didn't do his job,
and a double minus. And and in the end when
when I added it up, there were uh, there was three.
(01:15:26):
It was a three minus four h for Kenneth Walker.
It was a six minus for Sharbonay, but Sharbonay had
double the play, so they end up exactly the same rate.
You know, you know, I just don't know whether or
not I can support the idea of my conclusion I'll say.
I'll say is there is no appreciable difference. That's what
(01:15:50):
I thought before I went into the exercise, and that's
what I thought coming out of.
Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
It makes sense.
Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
I mean, I'm gonna trust your guys's eyeballs far more well. Actually,
I didn't even have my opinion. I was just thinking,
maybe that's the reason.
Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
And sure enough, you're good to bring it up, Yah're
absolutely good to bring it up.
Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
Well, yesterday when they get into their two minute offense
after they had gotten that ball on like turnover on
downs and then they get the ball it was Zach
Shecherbonney in the game during the two minute offense.
Speaker 6 (01:16:16):
Again, so there's something there.
Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Even though typical, right, Mike, isn't that typical that you know,
your workhorse guy, maybe he might not be your two
minute guy. You know, I've seen that a lot. What
what's your philosophy on that?
Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Well, your two minute guy, you might have a different
group in there as your two minute offense. I was
thinking when your discussion with Buck the I was saying
to Max Strong and Shawn Alexander, Right, okay, if Sean
Mack was going to be the pass blocker, Sean, I've
(01:16:52):
told you this before, a great, great runner, very very
average to below on pass blocking, and so you got
to it up that way. You know, you can't ask
somebody to do something you're pretty sure he can't do,
and so there's substitution. It just bes somebody. I'm gonna
ask that question if I have a chance, and then
I'll be more intelligent when I come to the next
(01:17:13):
radio stay and the next time we're on the radio
to see why why are they doing it? Why? Why
are they doing it the.
Speaker 6 (01:17:19):
Way they're doing it?
Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
Well, when you ask, then we just won't see it
like that anymore. They'll just be giving him the ball.
I mean, they're they're running back. Had eleven carriers, just
like our guy did. He averaged one point eight yard.
There's no average six point five. So it feels like
there could be something that if this thing's clicking on
all synders, you're getting more out of ken Walker. But
we shall see, all right, we gotta we gotta break here.
(01:17:41):
On the other side, we're gonna have one more, one
last thing for coaching. Hughes stick around here at Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
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