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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning everyone, Good morning, it's some time. Good morning us.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 3 (00:07):
Inducing US sixty one guard from Brighton, Illanois and former
high school basketball stand What in the hell does that mean?

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Don't jumped any conclusions.

Speaker 5 (00:19):
Not a god, You've got to lower lower your expectations.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.

Speaker 6 (00:26):
I'm getting some bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.
Five seven guard and a former college water polo national champion.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
There's a lot of useless crap up here.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
This is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with Ashley Ryan.
But to you buy to lay Look Casino Resort and
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action never stopped.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
There you go. Well, Hello, good Monday morning to you all.
Welcome into the radio program.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
It is Chucking Buck in the Morning, Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving
extended weekend and are ready for a brand new week
of the sports world. Because it's hitting us right between
both eyes right now. My name is Chuck Powell. Good
to be back. Ashley Ryan is here, Bucky Jacobson is
here as well as we start here on a Monday,

(01:38):
and plenty to discuss here in our four hours together.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Bucky, I was Thanksgiving.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
It was wonderful. Lots and lots of food I had.
I would say five Thanksgivings. And that doesn't mean I
went to in laws. It means I had a gigantic
helping of turkey, mashed potatoes, stuffing anburry's, the entire rolls.
I had it five different times. I made a huge plate. Good,

(02:07):
it was a lot good. It was good. Yeah about you?

Speaker 5 (02:11):
Yeah, I just liked the idea that Bucky was just
like potentially like yeah, I mean, we've eaten all of
our food here. I'm now going to go to the
soup kitchen just standing on it. I haven't had enough. Now,
you really let me down.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Four plates wasn't enough, you know, Yeah, Mam would have
made more.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
So now I'm just gonna go down the street just
knock on doors.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
I haven't had enough and I don't want to wait
another year.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
Well, I thought about it when we ran out of pie.
I was like, I don't know how I'm going to
do my fourth and fifth Thanksgiving meals without pie at
the end. Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly. Wait to stop short,
lady Ashley.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I Thanksgiving it was good.

Speaker 7 (02:52):
Its good, had the family over me. Only took about
forty five minutes longer than I expected it too, so
that was an improvement.

Speaker 8 (02:59):
I suppose did you make like bull obays again or
beef tenderloin?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Okay, but we still do it with stuffing mashed potatoes.

Speaker 7 (03:06):
We also had roasted potatoes, because you should have two
kinds of potatoes at Thanksgiving. Yeah, and uh, green bean casserole,
Brussels sprouts five iron.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Will you do me the kindness of please stuffing the tenderloin?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, except we don't stuff it. Don stuff just roast.

Speaker 9 (03:25):
You just don't out your own rear end.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Next year.

Speaker 7 (03:29):
You know, it gives me something to strive for it
every year, try to be I did used to do
like a.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Rolled flank steak, so it had it was stuffed. It
was delicious.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Like the tofu people, Yeah, they they I think I've
never had one of these, but I think that they
shape their turkey.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yeah, and maybe we could do that with red meat.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I mean, why not? The worlds are oyster?

Speaker 6 (03:56):
It is shot.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
I mean they're doing that tur ducan thing. I'm pretty
sure there's not a bee stout there that is a
third turkey, a third chicken, and a third ducks. Pretty
sure if there is, like man bear pig. Yeah, I'm
pretty sure that there's not a man bear pig version
of turkey dinner out there.

Speaker 9 (04:15):
But they still find a way to pull it off. Well.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Anyway, I hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving. We certainly
have a lot to discuss as we reassemble here on
this Monday morning, and we will have our experts showing
up a little bit later on in the program. But
the experts right now nationally seem to be of a
mind of man, are we watching something special happening out

(04:39):
there in Seattle, Washington with their professional football team yesterday
against the Minnesota Vikings, a twenty six nothing shutout. Now, granted,
Minnesota is going with a backup quarterback never played, never
started an NFL game going into that contest, and so
that certainly had Mike McDonald and the defense licking their

(05:01):
chops yesterday certainly didn't stop the broadcast team from telling
us how awesome that guy was. Though I felt almost
bad for Max Brosmer making his debut.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I think he was undrafted.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
I probably should have looked that up before we came
on the airwaves, but making his NFL debut, and man,
I don't know if Kevin O'Connell misled the broadcast team
or if the minister, or if the broadcast team just
did a total disservice to Max Brosmer, but man, they
were acting like we were getting ready to face Tom
Brady and Josh Allen's love baby in that game last night.

(05:38):
I don't know if you've heard Joe while you're rooting
for the Dodgers, but this Max Brosmer guy. I heard
during practice the other day they brought out a big
bucket of water and he walked on it. I mean,
that's how they were acting in the pregame, and I'm like, Okay,
I guess I'll open my mind to the possibility that

(05:58):
Max Brosmer is not being thrown to the wolves here today.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
But we might have the.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Best defense in the National Football League, and he'd better
be as good as you're talking about, because this is
not fair to an undrafted rookie quarterback to have to
step in play in Seattle against Mike McDonald and the
healthiest our defense arguably has been all season long, and
they just devoured the kid.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
Yeah yeah, I mean that one play. He was undrafted,
by the way. And yet last week when we were
kind of going down the idea of who was going
to be out there because JJ McCarthy's stilling concussion protocol,
you know, you look it up and it was like
what New Hampshire. And then he went to Minnesota and
there were some people from Minnesota that were saying, hey,

(06:42):
watch out, like people that watched him for one year, like, hey,
look out, you've been warned. Max Brosner's coming. It's like, ok, oh,
we got warned.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
We got warn plenty as the game was starting yesterday about.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Mike Brugmer, Peyton Manning.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
But yeah, and the next thing, you know, he's running
for his life and throwing the ball into the air.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, I mean the idea of what
they were saying right at first, when when I heard
him talking about how Kevin O'Connell really likes this kid's like, well,
not enough to have him draft him, right, Just you know,
give him a plane ticket to Minnesota and see what
he could do if your other three, your other two

(07:27):
quarterbacks were unavailable for whatever reason. And yeah, I was
kind of like squinting my eyebrowser be like, what, I
don't know for sure. Now we have seen it before,
where undrafted guys or rookie guys or guys that have
weren't weren't the starting guy have came in and beat Seattle.
That's happened now. It's happened to every organization, but it

(07:48):
does seem like it's happened a few different times here.
It just didn't seem like it was going to happen
to Mike McDonald and his defense.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
He looked like a rookie quarterback that went undrafted making
his debut against a great defense. Yes, that's what he
looked like. Nothing more than that, especially when he.

Speaker 7 (08:02):
Did that scrambling and then it was like just go
down and then he just tosses it to Ernest Jones.
I was like, oh, no, that is a you have
hardly played mistake right there, like you have no experience
because you should just take that sack.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yeah, he was, I'm sure trying to throw the ball away. Yeah,
but the trajectory just went right into Ernest Jones' hands.
But it was that, I mean, unless that's his style,
to just throw everything off the right foot falling away.
Maybe that's just his style, and maybe it'll work out
perfectly with the experience. But yeah, but yeah, he got

(08:35):
thrown right into the lions Den yesterday. And he has
people talking, not just nationally who are coming around to
what's going on here in Seattle. But I mean, even
Brady Henderson wrote an article is this the best defense
the Seahawks have ever had? Now, let's stop and analyze,

(08:55):
just somebody that's pretty good, really good at their job,
take the time to even ask that question, because I mean,
we were all here, are well, I wasn't here, but
we all experienced the legion of boom. That is the
second greatest defense ever I've seen in my entire life,

(09:17):
like in the history of football, like in my history
of watching football. That is the second best defense that
I've ever seen, next to the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 9 (09:26):
Of the mid eighties.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
And so if we're if anybody would take the time
to write, is this the best defense in Seattle Seahawks
franchise history? That's a mouthful even if it's not true.
Just the fact that you even penned that question and
put it at the top of your article that you're
writing is quite the statement to make. My answer to

(09:49):
that is I need to see a lot more. I
need to see years of this. But I certainly feel
that we are in the conversation here in Seattle of
having the best defense in football, and I think it's
getting better every single week, which is pretty scary.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
For everybody else.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
The idea of what he brings to the table that
Mike McDonald, I'm speaking of what he brings to the table,
the complexity of it and how that makes the opponent
feel it is something that I don't know for sure
if we can fully understand, you know, a year and
a half into.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
The whole thing.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
I know last year before they brought Ernest Jones in
and you were like, Okay, not sure what this is
supposed to look like. Just that couple switches there at
linebacker all of a sudden changed things as far as
they're stopping the run. Game goes And then do the
thing about the Legion of Boom was you didn't have
to cover very long because the guys were getting there.

(10:46):
It just seemed like this a perfect storm of how
they had that thing set up, and it does seem
like a two point zero of it, or you know,
I'm sure he would rather not be connected to it.
I got my own thing going on here. It's a
there's a different that we're going about this thing. But
you're right, I mean the idea that it's a conversation.
I don't think it's a complete conversation. I think we

(11:08):
have enough information to compare the two. To me, it's
apples and oranges at this point. But it most certainly
is moving in the direction of Mike McDonald's like, Yeah,
I'm not gonna sit here for my entire career as
an NFL head coach and you know, preferably for a
decade plus here with the Seahawks and think that we're
never going to have a defense better than the legion
of boom. He's he's going out there striving to have

(11:31):
people start to bring that conversation up, and eventually he
probably wants them to be able to say, no, I
think that now they've overtaken them, and that'll be a
crazy conversation if they get to that point.

Speaker 7 (11:40):
It is just after you said that, I was like,
there's no way that. I mean, just because of the
lore of the Legion of Boom, Yeah, you do put
them up against the best defenses in the history of football,
and so I was just looking just even in one category,
they finished the year with forty four sacks. We're at
forty already with the five games left, which obviously there's
a lot of other stats, but one right there just

(12:00):
kind of stood out to me, like it's worth the conversation.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
I think that defense went four straight years number one
in the NFL points allowed, in yards allowed, yea, which
I don't think any other defense has ever done. So
I mean, we're talking about comparing it to the great
arguably the greatest defense at all time. So I'm not
there yet, but certainly for somebody that covers the team
on a daily basis and doesn't make a habit of

(12:25):
just having hot takes, yeah exactly. For having introduced that
conversation into the world, having breathed that into the narrative
there this morning just proves just how great this defense
has looked, how much better it seems to be getting
every week.

Speaker 9 (12:41):
That was DeMarcus.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Lawrence's best game as a Sea Hawk.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
That Ernest Jones felt like there were three Ernest Jones
on the field yesterday four interceptions, and a lot of
it has to do with you know, the next Tom Brady,
Max Brosmer. You know, I think he contributed to how
great the defense looked, but on the flips, and certainly
we will have this conversation as well today. That was
the worst past protection Sam Donald's been given his entire

(13:07):
time as a Seahawk.

Speaker 9 (13:08):
That was concerning.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
And you're not gonna get to face a undrafted rookie
quarterback who likes to throw falling away from the defense
every single throw.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
You're not going to get that every single week.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
And so for Sam Donald to have no time and
I don't put hardly any of it, if any of
it on Sam Darnold. There were occasions, just like we
saw with Russ and Gino, where he didn't have a
chance on several different plays yesterday, Anthony Bradford, we might
be at a point to get off the pot.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
On that particular decision.

Speaker 9 (13:46):
I mean, it doesn't seem to be working.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
But Sam Donald, that was the worst past protection that
he's gotten. I mean, it led to him not being
able to survey the field. JSN only a two touch
dude catches yesterday in the contest with Search certainly as
an outlier for the season that he's had thus far.
So there are some concerning things to discuss. There are

(14:10):
some negative things to discuss today as well, following a
twenty six nothing shutout.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
Yeah it wasn't perfect, but you know, I and Bradford is,
I mean, he's just not good now. I don't know
for sure why he would just continue to be run
out there. That tells me something about those in line
behind him, right, And yet I don't know how bad
they can be. I mean, they're pulling him and he
just runs and just just runs like he's an blocking,
invisible person and let's a real person run right at

(14:38):
the at the guy and make the tackle. It's like
block the one that is actually there would be nice.
And then yeah, pass blocking it doesn't look good. And
yet I don't know if there is a especially at
this point in the season. Now he's a starter. He
started the season there, it's not like he's there because
of injury. But there's you know, everybody has holes, even
the best offensive lines are gonna have a hole somewhere.

(15:00):
And there's a couple of times I know yesterday there
was a couple of plays where they ran behind him
and Abe Lucas and and it was effective. So it's
it's just his bad plays are like really bad, like
where he's just standing there, like spinning in circles where
people run by him. It's like if you block a
guy and he just is better than you and gets
by you, that's fine to just not touch anyone when

(15:21):
you're a guy who's like your job is to touch
people for sure and get in their way, not just hey,
where are you coat? It's not good. And yet yeah,
there's that leads to then there's pressure and Sam Darnold
needs to do a better job of of not losing
the ball when he is sacked. I mean, there's there's

(15:42):
everybody's gonna get sacked, and sometimes you can't help it
if you don't see it coming and they hit the ball.
Nobody's hands are strong enough to withstand that. But then
there's other times where you can tell he feels it collapsing,
and there's still is times when the ball comes out.
He's got to correct that or get better at that
as much as he can. But again, you're right, it's
it's one of those it's hard to find a whole
bunch of negative stuff when you end up going out

(16:03):
there and win in twenty six to zip.

Speaker 7 (16:05):
Yeah, I just kept thinking, thank goodness for this defense
because the offense was not good and so I mean
even two.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Hundred and twenty yards of total offense that usually means
you lost.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, twenty six to seven.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
If you look at Sam's statline against Max Brosmer's, the
only difference is that Max through the four interceptions. I
mean there's it's basically see or Max had more completions.
They had about the same yardage. I mean, it's they
were both sacked four times. So I mean it wasn't it.

Speaker 9 (16:36):
He didn't look Max Brosmer.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
No, No, no, he didn't know. I'm not saying that.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
I'm saying if you just looked at the stat line, though,
that's you know, that's the only difference. If you look
at the stat line and you're like, oh, well they
didn't they almost have the same day they did not
have almost the same day.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Wasn't a good day for the offense.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
I mean they had one touchdown in the entire game,
settled for field goals. Defense put him an excellent position
all day long and you still, I mean, there was
you have to have a conversation that broadcasters have to
have a conversation once they started stopped waxing poetic about
Max Brosberg being the.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Next Dan Marino.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Uh, they eventually had a conversation about how the offense
better feel what it's like to score a touchdown this week.
And so that conversation ended up being held during the broadcast.
So and again, the fact that it even comes up
suggests that there's you know, that wasn't exactly a picture

(17:27):
perfect day for the offense. So we've got a lot
to discuss. I mean, to me, that's a that's a
great problem to have on a sports talk show on
a Monday morning, coming off of twenty six nothing. When
that you get to talk a lot of superlatives, but
you also get to ask a lot of questions and
maybe drum up a few concerns. And so we've got
the experts to cover that.

Speaker 9 (17:47):
Here.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Let's find out what's on tap for today's radio program.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
What's on tech?

Speaker 1 (17:55):
What's on tech? All right?

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Seawks twenty six Vikings Nothing, Monday Morning Quarter Session seven
oh five. Greg Bell will be joining us at eight
o'clock Hugh Millan will be with us. He'll stay with
us till ten o'clock, even when coach Holmgren joins the
program at nine. So we will break down twenty six
nothing over the Vikings throughout today's radio show. The Rams

(18:17):
lost yesterday to the Carolina Panthers, for goodness sake, and
so we draw even record wise with the Los Angeles
Rams a top the NFC West. They still have the tiebreaker,
but we'll have a chance to average that out here
in a couple of weeks. Forty nine Ers also won yesterday,

(18:38):
and so that means there are six teams in the
National Football League with nine wins or more, and three
of them are in the same division, the NFC West.
At this point, we'll cover all of the week and
the National Football League coming up here at the bottom
of the hour with cold Turkey Sandwich a board of scores.
We'll also find some time to talk about Oregon Washington.

(18:58):
The Ducks win over the Husky's twenty six to fourteen Saturday.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
I would call it competitive.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
I would say the better team won, and certainly there
are a lot of things to discuss from that contest,
A lot of concerning things I think from the husky's perspective,
But it didn't feel like, man, we're are that close. No,
but it did feel competitive for most of the game.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
It was competitive. I said that to a buddy and he
goes that, don't say that. That's like that sounds like
a little brother when he whoops your big brother when
he whoops up on his little brother in the back. Like, well,
you were competitive. I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive.
It was competitive there. It came down to before that
there was kind of a game ceiling touchdown. It kind
of came down to it felt like, oh man, you better,

(19:47):
you better go down and do something here because it
felt like the momentum had shifted most certainly in the stadium,
so much better than last year's game. For you, Dub,
I think heading in the right direction. But I do
agree the best.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I do agree. There were a lot of concerns.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yeah, we'll get what was that, Buck, I think the
better team Okay, I thought you had a point.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
You were trying to get across all the better team one.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
You didn't want to stand in the way of that.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Since I think MIC's off, I couldn't hear what you said.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Uh, conference Championship Week is this week.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
Organ's not playing in that though, I'll tell you that
much selection Sunday is coming up for the second ever
NCAA tournament in college football, and we will find time
to discuss the Lane Kiff and Saga as he did,
in fact take the job at LSU, leaving Ole miss
before their playoff begins. The Kraken abbot won since last

(20:43):
day was here, thanks a lot, Ashley, Thanks Bucky.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I feel like it's your fault.

Speaker 9 (20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Meanwhile, they will face off against Edmonton not until Thursday,
so a little bit of a break here, and the
Winter meetings will start a week from today, a little
less than a week from today. Major League Baseball's hot
stove offseason continues. Coming up next though, on the radio show,
We've got cold Turkey Sandwich. That's right, a board of

(21:09):
football scores for you as we recap the week in
the National Football League on Chuck and Buck Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 10 (21:19):
See have to do the Seattle second and six for
the Seahawks, charbting again over the left side, breaks the
tackle jut ups three touchdown first one of the day.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
For the Seahawks offense.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
Joe Davis on the call on Fox yesterday the Seahawks
twenty six nothing win over the Minnesota Vikings. I don't
know what he was calling an NFL game between the
Seahawks and Vikings, and yet I could just feel him
rooting for the Dodgers. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what
it was about the entire broadcast. He was annoying the
hell out of me out yesterday with his game call.

Speaker 7 (22:02):
I will say yesterday was surprising because it was Greg
Olsen with him, right, So, yeah, it was the first
day that Greg Olsen didn't annoy me as much as
he I like Greg ols I just think he talks
too much usually, Like sometimes it just seems like he's
talking endlessly.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I'm like, you don't need to just fill every more.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, I guess there's some truth to that.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Some people were comparing it to sounding like a podcast
instead of yeah, a game a game.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, when they take the snap, I don't need you
to still be talking.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
He does insert his opinion a lot too. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
All right, seven o'clock hour, Good morning to you all.
I hope you had a great Thanksgiving weekend. We got
a lot of football to discuss today. Greg Bell will
be joining us here in a matter of a couple
of minutes. And then Hugh Milling at eight o'clock Mike
Homeran at nine o'clock to talk about a twenty six
nothing shut out went over the Minnesota Vikings. That improved
the Seahawks two nine and three on the year. The

(22:55):
Rams lost yesterday, so they are also nine and three.
Forty nine Ers won yesterday, Cleveland, They're just right there
despite all their injuries. Kyle Shannan asthm at nine and four.
So three of these six teams in the National Football
League with nine wins or more all hail in the
NFC West, for goodness sake.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
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Speaker 5 (23:18):
Like college football, I might raise my hand and say
this might be the first time in my life and
I'm a huge college football fan, have been since I
was a kid. Same thing with the National Football League.
This was the first time, maybe in my life, that
the NFL Sunday felt so weak compared to College Football Saturday.
Like I got I watched College football Saturday, woke up

(23:41):
and getting ready to watch the NFL Sunday, and I'm like, man,
this does not compare to the energy and the height
that I felt like we experienced yesterday. And I give
all the credit in the world to actually having an
NCAA tournament, actually having a tournament and having more people
involved and more things on the line on the last
day of the regular seat, and that's what I give
the credit to. So it was a fun college football weekend,

(24:05):
even though Washington took it on the chin against Oregon
twenty six to fourteen competitive game, but Oregon ends up
pulling away late in that contest. This week is conference
championship week and Selection Sunday is coming up in six
days to determine the NCAA Tournament field. Lane Kiffin is
leading All miss and he is heading to LSU.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
We will talk about this.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Later on in the hour, because this is some mound
of bs right here that we're dealing with. So we'll
talk about Lane Kiffin later on in the hour. Krack
and haven't won since I last.

Speaker 9 (24:39):
Was on the show Friday.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
I don't know what went wrong, but there'll be in
action against Edmonton on Thursday, and we are less than
a week away from the Winter meetings getting started. It's
already been a rather interesting offseason so far across Major
League Baseball. And for the Mariners, just re signing Josh
Naylor and extending him has already gave them a better
offseason than they had last offseason. And we're not even

(25:01):
to the Winter Meetings yet, and so that will get
cranked up starting on Sunday night. So those are your headlines,
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Speaker 1 (25:35):
Come morning, Greg, Good morning.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Did you have a good Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 (25:40):
That was great? Kids together, four of us back.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Together, great, nice, nice, nice, nice, all right, excellent.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Well, I don't know, I wasn't here obviously the last
week to hear if you predicted another shutout? Did you
product a shutout again this week? Because it actually would
have come true this week.

Speaker 12 (26:00):
Yeah, I did say I was wrong on the shutout.
I implied that was I implied that was possible. I
had it at my ready fingertips the last time they
had a shut out, because I'd just done the research
for Tennessee. I said they wouldn't score a touchdown. I
think I said they'd scored two field goal six points
or something. But yeah, that was as it should have been.

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An undrafted rookie quarterback four years at an FCS level
playing his first game against the Mike McDonald defense, and
it happened just as it should have, and just as
I thought it would. Most people thought it would four interceptions.
They sacked them two or three four times, completely controlled
the game. Minnesota had one hundred and sixty two yards.

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Sam Donald could have turned it over ten times and
the Seahawks still would have won that game. So by
the second quarter, I was writing my game story already
for the News Tribune. And what I decided right about
was is this team, specifically this offense, with this quarter
back good enough to win the NFC West and good
enough to beat the Rams and the forty nine ers.
And I don't think yesterday is conclusive at all. To say,

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the leads toward that regard.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
And really their season.

Speaker 12 (27:12):
Sam Darnold has a propensity to drop the ball, and
the most important thing that he can be at a
quarterback is secure of the ball. It's part of the
quarterback's job that when he is in the pocket, he
will get hit at times, and sometimes more than others,
and some schemes more than others will exploit that. Obviously,
Brian Flores is blitzing early in the game, dropping defensive

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tackles off later in the game, having he had Anthony
Bradford and others, not just Bradford just standing around like
they were waiting on a light rail train instead of
blocking anyone on some pass protection.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
That's an issue.

Speaker 12 (27:46):
And then when you can't get the ball out in time,
you have to hold onto it, you can't drop it,
and he loses the ball a lot in the pocket.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I thought the.

Speaker 12 (27:55):
Most interesting thing in the post game beside Ernest Jones
and his personal vitalization, and he was a great story
and explaining it to the team and then to me
when I asked him after the game. But he found
himself last week. But from a football standpoint, the most
interesting thing to me was Cooper cub when I asked him, okay, specifically,
what do you need to fix offensively, because he's pretty

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hard on himself in the offense after the game, and
he said, well, when teams come at us like that
with pass pressure, if they're batting down passes, we need
to get outside the pocket and get the quarterback on
the move. If they're getting pressure, then we need to
run away from the pressure. We need to throw run routes,
and Noah's receivers that maybe instead of our fifteen and
twenty and ten yard routes, they need to be two

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yard routes I'm paraphrasing. And that change started to happen
later in the game. But they came out trying to
do what they did all season with Jackson Smith and
Jegbu do ten, twelve, fifteen yard routes, and Flores' pass
rush would not allow it, and it took him almost
a full half to figure that out and change.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
And adjust to that. Suffice to say, guys.

Speaker 12 (28:58):
That offensively, there are warning bells about how sustainable this
team defense can win almost every game playing like that yesterday.
But they're not going to get an undrafted rookie quarterback
starting against them when they play the Rams forty nine
ers in playoff teams.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
Yeah, well, I mean what was it that Flores was doing?
Because I do think you get to this time of
the year and it's that you have to adjust to
the adjustments that are made against you. There's enough film
that people understand, Okay, this is not just maybe they're
going to do this. You know for a fact they're
going to try to go to Jackson Smith and Jigman.
You know they're going to do it with those ten
fifteen yard routes and he's going to put up the

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big numbers, and so teams start adjusting and you have
to readjust so what was it that the defense was doing,
because I do feel like this wasn't the only game
across the NFL that you saw people come up with
game plans that were stopping what had been successful for
some teams.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Well, Bucky, let's.

Speaker 12 (29:52):
Start with the fact that the Falcons this week, the
Colts the week after, the Rams again and the forty
nine ers and so on are going to look this
tape and what the Vikings and Florid's did and try
to replicate it.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
They're going to copy. That's the way the Lea.

Speaker 12 (30:05):
Get nothing new on Smith and Jiggbit. They had a
cornerback covering low. They had a safety over the top.
They were shading when they were in single high or
even two high coverage. They were shading his safety over
to his side. That's something every team has done all year.
Yet he's still beating it for on pace to be
two thousand yards until yesterday. What the Vikings did? They
did that, but then they had a pass rush that

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made Donald have to get rid of the ball or
lose the ball before the Smith and Jimmy ran the
twelve to fifteen yard routes. I'm thinking of a third
down in the red zone in the first half where
he was on the left side and in a bunch formation,
three wide receivers to the left, and it was third
and goal at the eleven after an ill fated second

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down run and Donald waited for Smith and Jiggby to
run a twelve yard in route. He was one yard
inside the goal line while he was waiting van Nel
or whatever the hell of the guy's is on the
left edge, did a spin move and beat VN Kinkle
did a spin movie did he beat the tight end?
And he beat the chipping line running back with a

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spin move, and that wasn't even a blitz. That was
a fake blitz. So what Flores did He started the
game by blitzing.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
How was he doing that?

Speaker 12 (31:19):
Well, he was putting his defensive lineman and dropping him
fake pass rushing and then dropping him and then sending
linebackers where usually the defensive lineman will go. And the
Seahawks Anthony Bradford, notably in a couple plays, were tracking
the defensive linemen who weren't pass rushing, and they were
standing there watching the guys they thought they were going
to block backpedal, and while they were watching them, the

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linebacker was speeding right by him and never saw him.
That happened in the inside linebacker stack on a third
down in the first quarter. So Flora started blitzing, and
the Seahawks tried to adjust to that. So then Flora's
counter to that counter was I'll fake the blitz, and
then the Seahawks couldn't one on one rush with spin

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moves all the while Smith and Jigg was running twelve
and fifteen yards down the field. Donald didn't have time
for that, and so Flores's schemes confused the pass protection
enough that made a twelve yard route next to impossible.
So what started happening in the second half you started
seeing right away and the third quarter. First of all,
they ran the ball more, and they treated Kenneth.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Walker like a lead running back in the start of
each half.

Speaker 12 (32:24):
But then when they did throw to Smith and jig With,
the way he got his first catch six minutes left
in the third quarter was on like a two yard route,
a quick out route, and then his second catch was
basically an extended handoff, a no step Sam Donald turn
and throw the ball to Smith and Jigba and basically
a bubble screen. And so those are the opposite of

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ten to fifteen and twenty yard routes that got him
the league's leading receiver in yards. That's the change that
they made, but not until the third quarter. And so
that's why it took so long for Smith and Jigby
to be part of the game because what he had.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Done all season, the Vikings took away.

Speaker 12 (33:00):
Having said all of that, you still get a hold
onto the ball. It the quarterback number one job is
ball security, and if he's gonna get blitzed, if he's
gonna get pressure, no matter how big pressure comes, he
still has to hold onto the ball, meaning you take
the sack. If you take the sack, you don't turn
the ball over in your own red zone and so on,
and that has been a problem all season. It's fifteen

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turnovers now, ten interceptions and five lost fumbles. That's the
second most turnovers in the league behind tung Ovola the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
I don't know if anybody would have guessed JSN and
Justin Jefferson would have combined for four catches and twenty
seven yards in the game without either of them being injured.
They played four full court.

Speaker 12 (33:40):
Deep deep into the third quarter. They had five combined
targets and no catches.

Speaker 9 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, crazy yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Greg Bell is with us our Seahawks insider. You can
follow Mat g Bel Seattle and of course get complete
coverage of yesterday's twenty six nothing when they're at Thenewstribune
dot Com. Joins us here this morning to recap the
twenty six nothing victory over the Minnesota Vikings. Let's hand
out some flowers though, to that defensive side.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Of the ball.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Who do you think Mike McDonald would say I had the
better game? Ernest Jones, DeMarcus Lawrence, or somebody.

Speaker 12 (34:12):
Else DeMarcus Lawrence, and Lawrence wiled the coach with what
he called his new favorite all time play. He was
pass rushing in the second half. They threw to the
running back behind him. He fell to the ground as
he was passed un and got off the ground and
ran toward his own goal line and sprinted from behind
and knocked the ball out from Jones caused the funnel

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the tyle cotter recover, and that play. He'll show it
five hundred times on film this week.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
His teammates it.

Speaker 12 (34:42):
Just he said, it was an incredible, unbelievable play for
a guy to show that effort. He's a twelve year
veteran of thirty two years old. He caused the interception
that Ernest Jones ran back the eighty five yeard touchdown.
I mean, brosmer that. I don't care what your tenure is,
rookie quarterback or not. You just can't chuck the ball sideways.

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It's fourth down, yes, so he's thinking, I can't.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Take a sack here, but you can't do that.

Speaker 12 (35:07):
Just hand the ball like a horseshoe toss to the
linebacker standing ten yards in front of you. That changed
the game. The Vikings after that turnover that Donald gave
him were poised to go in and take a seven
to three lead and became ten to nothing instead because
a Broze was just handing the ball to Jones thanks
to Marcus Lawrence.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
On that play.

Speaker 12 (35:25):
The Vikings counted on Lawrence either getting sneaky on the
boot leg or not looping outside but just holding the edge,
and they thought that Brozemer could beat him to the
outside instead. McDonald's call was for him the Marcus Lawrence
to loop outside opposite the flow to play. That was
a flow play action to the left and then I'll

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roll out to the right. And it appeared to me
that McDonald called for Lawrence to do that because the
natural thing would have been for Lawrence.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
To flow with the play to his right. He looped
to the left, absolutely opposite of the.

Speaker 12 (35:59):
Playfake like it never had happened, and was just in
the face of Roseman before he.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Even had a chance to do anything.

Speaker 12 (36:05):
So credit McDonald for that, and Kevin O'Connell after the
game said, while calling her a catastrophically bad play, said that, yeah,
the defensive end looping outside.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Is what ruined that play.

Speaker 12 (36:16):
De Marcus Lawrence has been a revelation for them eleven
years in Dallas. He has made them whole on the
defensive line. Teams in pass rush pass protection can't just say, well,
let's just focus on Leonard Williams and all pro type
defensive linemen. They if they devote two guys to block,
including chippers to block Lawrence or excuse me to buck Williams,

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then Lawrence is alone basically one on one. So they
that has evened out the pass protection plan against Seattle,
and the defensive line is feasting because of Lawrence.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
Ernest Jones was down on the field for just a minute,
got up and got off the field under his own power.
So I don't think it's anything crazy, but he's pretty
important to this defense health wise. Is he good?

Speaker 1 (36:56):
You think? He said he's fine.

Speaker 12 (36:58):
The striking thing to me about that eighty five yard
interception returns how fast and fluid he looked running right
because he had a bulky right knee brace at rams game,
and he missed two of the previous three games, missed
a little bit of practice time this past.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Week, then came back to full go at the end.

Speaker 12 (37:13):
He said he felt fast and good on that run.
He was sitting up injured there and briefly went off,
but as soon as.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
He went off, he didn't go into the ten.

Speaker 12 (37:21):
Even the ten was up, and he asked for his
helmet back and he would have gone back and had
the Vikings gotten a first down that drive, he missed
two plays.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Including the fourth down, and that's why he didn't come
back in.

Speaker 12 (37:30):
And then when it was the next time for defense
commana field, it was garbage time with the minute left
of twenty.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Six nothing, so the reserves were on and Jones wasn't there.
So he said he's fine.

Speaker 12 (37:40):
He said that he found himself basically this past week.
Wasn't living the way he wanted to wasn't dealing well
with his father's death. His best friend, his father guy
he spoke to every Tuesday and the off seasons. Their
in season passed away in July of ewing sarcoma.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
He said he wasn't handling that right. It wasn't living
the way he wants to live. With the cross that
he wears around.

Speaker 12 (38:01):
His neck and he got that on his knees and
prayed this past week and and said that he's changing
his life. And he told his team that after the
game in a very vulnerable moment. McDonald called it one
of the best locker room speeches he'd ever seen. So
it was a much bigger week for Ernest Jones than
the game.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
He had yesterday.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Uh well, I think that might be where we needed.
How we're gonna follow up on that, So all right,
excellent stuff here today. Appreciate it, mister Bell. Thank you
very much, and we'll do it again next week. Well, actually,
we'll talk to.

Speaker 9 (38:32):
You again tomorrow. What am I talking about? Well, rusty girl,
I thought I was getting the week off.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Okay, oh, you got the week off.

Speaker 9 (38:39):
This is nice to me.

Speaker 12 (38:42):
I thought I would get it when you set out
that we'll do it again next week.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
Oh no, no, no, no, we're gonna do it for
a week.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
As a matter of fact, we might even call you
later on today, like this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
Yeah, all right, awesome stuff man, Thank you, all right,
Greg mell Our, Seahawks Insider. If you want to read
up on that Ernest Jones store or any of his
recap stories, you can do so at the News Tribune
dot com, and you can certainly follow Greg at g Beel.
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did enjoy the prosecco experience on Thanksgiving. And I don't
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Speaker 2 (39:26):
Really, that's how it should be.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
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Speaker 9 (39:32):
Yeah, I mean, I.

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Mean there were a lot of other people there one.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
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Speaker 9 (39:45):
I just kept saying, well, a little bit more for me,
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Speaker 5 (40:11):
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Speaker 4 (40:14):
This is it.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
This is the final week, so all of these picks
are crucial. So I haven't made a pick in over
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that at seven thirty five. Also, we'll hear from Mike
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Speaker 4 (40:36):
Here me little join us at eight o'clock. Mike ho,
i'mran at nine o'clock.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
So two hours of Sea Hawk talk after a twenty
six nothing shutout went over the Minnesota Vikings yesterday to
improve the team to nine and three.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
If I know Hugh Millan, and I.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
Think we all know Hugh Millan, he probably wants to
talk a little college football.

Speaker 9 (40:52):
But we'll see, we'll see, we'll see how.

Speaker 6 (40:53):
The two hours ago.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
This will be our only opportunity to talk about Lane
Kiffin today. It's a big topic. There are so many
layers to it. We will certainly spend more time on
it tomorrow. I'm sure that you two have your thoughts,
and I'm trying to figure out, like, okay, we've got
just this one segment.

Speaker 9 (41:10):
What do I want to isolate?

Speaker 5 (41:12):
And I think what's most important to relay this morning
is what it appears to me has happened, and that
was that Lane Kiffin's known for a long time he
was going to LSU the moment that they showed how
interested they were, he just you know, he was gone.
The bags were packed, but he still wanted to coach

(41:34):
his team out and see if they can make the
SEC championship game, and so on and so forth. And
then as the clock came down, he kept acting acting like,
how difficult a decision it was, And I'm going to
meet with these people on this day and meet with
those people on that day, and I consult with my
mentors and everything else throughout the course of the week.

(41:55):
And what I've gathered or what it feels like I'm
reading between the tea leaves here. I don't know for
a fact. Is it sounds like it was I'm leaving
for LSU. Will you let me coach my team the
rest of the way? Will you let me coach when
I'm the head coach of your most hated rival.

Speaker 9 (42:16):
Basically, or one of them?

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Will you let me coach the rest of the season.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
That's what the negotiation was Saturday, the cloak and Dagger negotiation.
And then apparently he played hardball and said, if you
don't let me do it, I'm taking all of my
coaches with me. And so the players who've acted like
I've cared about this entire time. I'm going to strip
them of any chance of winning in the tournament because

(42:41):
I'm going to try to take all of my coaches
as a leverage play for you to let me coach
in the tournament before I go to LSU while I'm
recruiting for LSU. This was what he was trying to
negotiate at the end, and then he didn't get his way.
He went to his coaches and said, if you don't

(43:02):
come with me right now, you're not going to be
on my staff. And a couple of them went, and
most of them stayed. And so that's how the Lane
Kevin era ends in Ole Miss And I understand one
hundred percent why Rebels fans hate his guts right now.

Speaker 6 (43:18):
Yeah, I just don't understand how it works the way
that it works. I mean, I'm not going to faull
Team Bay for taking a job that they think is
better right in LSU. If he thinks, you know, right now,
you're going to go to a team and try to
build them up to a college playoff team, and you're
leaving a team that's going to be in the college
football playoffs. I don't fully understand My whole thing is,

(43:41):
if you're so sought after, if LSU wants you so bad,
and I.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Don't know why they do, Frank, how do you not turn?

Speaker 6 (43:47):
How do you not tell him? I can't leave this
team before I've seen it to the end. And if
you can't handle that, then I can't take the job.
How can you not have that integrity? I would think
as an employer, as the future employer LSU, you would
like that. Yeah, you would be like, you know what,

(44:08):
I'm glad you're standing on that. That's good. That shows
me something versus the pettiness of there must have been
somewhere I would have to think that he wanted to
see this thing through and yet he wanted his cake.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
And he wanted to eat it too.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Yeah, and I want the job, but you should give
me the chance to see if I can win a
national championship with the team that I'm abandoning.

Speaker 6 (44:30):
Yeah, and yet yeah, I mean I guess to some
degree it's like, well, we don't want you to win
a NAST championship, so now it's I don't have I mean,
obviously there's one duck that I have a rooting interest for,
and other than that, it's old miss. I will be
cheering hard for old miss to win it, and then
him to go to L's you and never win it,
just because the integrity that you, the lack thereof, is

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just I just can't. It's just gross to me. I mean,
yet you should be able to stand on it and say,
I am the most sought after coach right now in
this coaching cycle apparently, and so if you want me,
you have to let me do what's right by this.
The kids, the guys that I'm coaching, I can't lead
them to this place and then bolt on them and

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yank all the coaches out underneath him. It's it's pitiful,
to be honest, it's it's gross, and you're you are.
I think he got really mad when somebody called him
a hoe. Well sorry, Bud. Yeah, knack like one, walk
like one, talk like one.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
You might be one.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, he's a petulant brat.

Speaker 7 (45:34):
And he tried to show everybody that he'd changed and
that he was different, and maybe for a brief amount
of time he had changed and he was different.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
And then when he.

Speaker 7 (45:42):
Wasn't gonna get his way and do exactly how he
wanted to do it, dictate exactly how he was going
to abandon one program and go to another program. Then
he threw a fit and basically took all his toys
and went home and was like, Okay, well then if
that's the case, then I'm gonna screw you guys over

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And I don't.

Speaker 9 (46:03):
Care all those players.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
I care so much.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
Yep, exactly, It's not about the players at all. Also,
I don't think it is a better job. He just
got offered a lot more money.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
It historically is.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
But I'll say this to your point, I mean, it
doesn't have to be going forward. Yeah, it's all about
nil and whichever whichever alums want to fork out the
most money. And you might have a situation where there's
gonna be more of it at Ole Miss than LSU.
Probably not, but that's what Nick Saban said on Saturday.

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He's gonna go to the place that he feels why
he can get the best players, and that probably is LSU.
But there is a way that you can handle it.
And of course Lane kiffen mishandled it entirely, and then
for those that are we'll let him coach it out.
What's it gonna hurt?

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Are you kidding me? Didn't.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
I mean, can you imagine like going to your spouse
and saying, Hey.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
I'm leaving you, and I'm gonna leave you for the
person you hate the most.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
And in the meantime, because I can't do it right away,
I'm gonna need you to be a buddy and just
act like everything's fine and and his dinner just about ready.

Speaker 7 (47:13):
Yeah, and yeah, because I'm just gonna stay here for
a while. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, And I'm just gonna
live in the house.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
I'm gonna live in the house and uh, and just
know that soon I will be making sweet love to
the person that you hate. Yeah, but uh, and for
the rest of my life probably. But in the meantime,
could you be a buddy in clean up?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
And also, I have some laundry that's got to get done.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
No way do you let him go.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
He's recruiting for LSU right now, and you're gonna let
him coach?

Speaker 6 (47:45):
Oh, mess, of course you can't.

Speaker 8 (47:46):
And then all those players keep loving him and then
they all leave. Yeah, so we'll have more time talk
about tomorrow. And I don't ever want to hear anybody
bag at player again. When when coaches act this way,
I mean, Christian McCaffrey didn't want to play in a
meaningless bowl game to protect himself for the NFL draft, ever,

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giving himself to Stanford for four years and like carrying
the ball thirty times a game.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
And here's Lane Kiffin on the verge of the postseason tournament,
not thinking that's important enough to stay for just out
of just selfish, selfish interest financially, to get to a
better place. All right, we'll talk more about it tomorrow.
Hugh Mellon's next Sports Radio ninety three point three k RFM.

Speaker 11 (48:35):
He rolls, he's pressured, he's in trouble. He's it up,
Harness Jones, Pusstall.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
He well take it all day.

Speaker 11 (48:46):
The game, change in play turn Arnest Jones, eighty four
yards and no flags.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
Joe Davis, Fox Sports on the call of the pick
six part of the Seahawks defensive excellence yesterday, twenty six nothing.
They went over the Minnesota of Ikings and so it
was a bit of a laugher. Certainly, Mike McDonald looked
very pleased afterwards with his shutout victory as a defensive
minded head coach. But there are some things to discuss

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on the offensive side of the ball that seemed a
little concerning. We got the right guy to discuss them.
Hugh Millan is with us. It's Monday morning quarterback session
with our QB one and Hugh. I don't think there's
any debate. I thought that was the worst pass protection
I've seen thus far this season for Sam Darnold. There
were times where he didn't stand a chance. What broke

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down and is it concerning going forward? Well, a lot
broke down. There are some concerns going forward. I think
they certainly have to fix the problems that they had.
I felt like going into the game, first of all,
you just know how the Vikings are defensively. They are

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going into the game number one in the NFL forty
four and a half percent of the use of three
to four that's that's obviously seven seven man front. But
when you only have three defensive linemen and you have
four linebackers, even on the basic stuff, there's a little
bit of extra thinking for the offense because they have

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generally two outside linebackers on either side two inside linebackers.
But any of those four linebackers can rush, but it's
not really a blitz. It's a four man rush, and
you can play. The standard standard defense is seven man
in coverage, four man rushing right, so anything more than

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four is considered a blitz. But what the the Vikings
do is they again number one in the use of
three to four. They are deadline in the use of nickel.
So they want big people and they want want to
put everybody up on the line of scrimmage so that

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they are a threat. Any of them are a threat
to pass rush, and all of them can rush pass
rush decently. And they have enough again because they're they're
not a nickel there. They're linebackers or defense, and there's
only three defensive linemen. They can get all these guys
up the line of scrimmage. They can they can get Harrison,
that that veteran safety that might be a Hall of Famer. Uh,

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he's got great instincts as a pass rusher. So they
have an entire bevy of different pass rushes. They can
show you by having everybody mugged up on the line
and you have to communicate who's coming. And the Vikings
come in into the game. We're number one in the
NFL in terms of percent of snaps with pressure and

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creating pressure and and so so what you saw was
just every makes of of zone blitz where they had.
There was times where they you're look and you say,
wait a minute, that's a three under or excuse me,
three deep and two under zone. That is that is
crazy from a coverage standpoint. To even talk about that,
you're just assuming that somebody there's gonna be he havoc

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and havoc early. And so that was a big.

Speaker 9 (52:23):
Part of it.

Speaker 13 (52:24):
They would do two deep four unders. They were they
they are playing what's called a palms palms technique where
the cornerback is is waiting on the corner in the safety.
They read the widest receiver in the slot. If they
both go vertical, they both get vertical vertical. But if

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anybody's in the hat in the in the in the flat,
then the corner triggers on the flat and the safety
is over the top on the outside receiver. In Seattle's
propensity to run squeeze formations, when you have a lot
of receivers that are close to the ball, that allows
that coverage to be played with greater regularity. You can
bring guys off the edge. And so Seattle did a

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very poor job of communicating. I mean, third, the first
the first blitz. For example, third and eleven, there's four
to to Sam Darnold's left and there's four to the right,
so Seattle, they send the center to the left. They
got a linebacker coming in the A gap and he

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saw that Sharbonne. He did a poor job of blocking,
and he just never seems to get his hips right.
He takes guys on with the wrong show. He will
never ever block with his left shoulder, even when he should.
He only will block with his right shoulder. So he
was getting blown up all day. And then you got

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a linebacker in the B gap who starts at Anthony Bradford,
your worst lineman, but then he pops out that holds
Bradford for just a second. There's no way that he's
gonna get to Harrison the safety coming into his outside
and and Abe Lukes Lucas gets smoked. So and and
Sam Darnold has three guys that he's fighting for his life.

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Uh uh, and and they all came from the right side.
I just I just outlined one. We could be here
for an hour and a half and I could break
down the situations. But you're asking, Okay, what what is
the summary of it? The summary of it is that
they play a lot of uh variety of zones behind

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their pressures, zones that make no sense. If you drop
on a whiteboard, you'd say, well, but we're gonna have
guys running all over scott Free. But they they create
such a problem with your communication. They are they are
counting on Brian Floor is the the defense coordinator. They
are counting on that that miscommunication on the one uh
that the sack fumble down in the uh in Seattle's

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on end of the territory. Territory they have, you know,
everybody overload. You got a tight end, a rooky tight
end in here. He blocks down, shouldn't have blocked down
the tackle and in that case he had enough guys
to uh uh Abe Lucas had his man. There's no
reason for the rooky tackle the uh to block down,
but he does. And so now you got Dallas Clark

(55:19):
if you remember him from the draft, you know, a
great athlete coming just you know, shot a bat out
of hell and he and he blows right into sam Donold.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
So so it's.

Speaker 13 (55:28):
The communication piece, uh the you know, and then they're
doing funky things like they played very little man a man,
but they had Harrison, the safety. He's he's running out
at Jackson Smith and Jigba and by the by the way,
they had Byron Murphy covering j s N on shadowing

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him a lots on press, man and man. Harrison is
screaming out on the inside. Well that you never see
that on bump and run. So that there there's there's
stuff that are very unorthodox with what they do. I
almost think that as a bust. And then I'll finally,
as I mentioned JSN, you know, there hasn't been many
opportunities to criticize him. He hasn't deserved it. But I'll

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tell you on one play the Vikings were playing. You
know in basketball that box and one everybody's playing zone,
but you play you take the best player and you
play man and man with him. Well, they had a
play where you could say it's like that they're playing
what's called the cover six or cover two to one,
side four to the other. I mean, it's very clear

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what they were playing. But they had Byron Murphy just
shadowing JSN wherever he went, and JSN ran a twelve
yard hook. He started the forty six yard line, went
to the thirty four yard line. He started turning his
eyes back at the forty yard line, six yards before
he was going to break. He turns his hips at
the thirty seven. He still goes up the field to

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the thirty four. That would be I would give him
a minus. I'd give him a double minus if it
meant on the pass right. It's a terrible route, and
you know he's just gloved up, and then Darnold put
it in a catchable place and he didn't get it.
Maybe at this juncture he was kind of his mind
was distracted or he wasn't into it. But that's a

(57:15):
very sloppy route. So so we don't you know, there's
blame to go around for everybody. Yeah, offensively, And I
think it was like a fighter just being against the
ropes man there they were taking it to Seattle. Seattle
was on their heels on the ropes in a lot
of different ways, and all the numbers reflected.

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dot Com. Now the Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike Congrin
and Hugh Millin. Here's Chuck and.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Buck nine o'clock hour here on this Monday.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
That's right, Ashley Ryan, Bucky Jacobs, a Chuck pal back
together here on this Monday morning, and of course we've
got our pillars of analysis. Hugh Mellan's been with us
since eight o'clock this morning and joining us now in studio.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Mike Holmgren is with us as well. Good morning, Coach.

Speaker 9 (59:12):
Good morning, good morning, good to see you.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
How is Thanksgiving? Did you carve the big Swedish meatball
for the family?

Speaker 1 (59:19):
No?

Speaker 9 (59:20):
No, you see, once again you're confusing oh Thanksgiving with Christmas.

Speaker 6 (59:24):
Okay, he does confuse those.

Speaker 9 (59:26):
Well, he doesn't have a there's no bright line. There's
no bright line. The Christmas tree meatballs are Christmas meatballs
and cold lumber, a lot of Swedish things. Okay, all right, Turkey,
so the turkey was good Turkey Closs told me that.

Speaker 6 (59:44):
No, see it's not turkey class. See, Coach been uncoachable, uncoachable,
you know what.

Speaker 9 (59:52):
He leaves for a while and he gets all messed up.
We got to bring you back into the fold.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
I opened our first Christmas present Thursday and it was stuffing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
So you're right.

Speaker 9 (01:00:03):
I am crossing streets just so you just so you know,
just so you know, and you know I know, you
take notes and you're you know all that, take some notes.
Thanksgiving was wonderful. The next day my bad foot and all.
Kathy took me over to our storage unit. I got
all the trees, all the things, and we put up

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the tree and every the next day Friday. That's the timing. Yeah, okay, right.

Speaker 6 (01:00:32):
Day after Thanksgiving when you start getting.

Speaker 9 (01:00:35):
Ready for and then Friday and Saturday, then you start
throwing the meatballs. You start all that kind of stuff. Okay,
not before, all right, but that's falling on deaf ears
for last what five years, trying to throwing the meat balls. Okay,
got it, got it, got it, got it last.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Well, we've got a twenty six nothing football game to
just disc.

Speaker 9 (01:01:02):
Talk about Christmas. You know, that was a game. I'm
watching that game and it's like it's it's hurting me,
it's hurting me to watch it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
But that's Mike McDonald's Christmas though. I mean, you tell
me a defensive minded head coach posting a shutout what
that does to a guy like Mike McDonald.

Speaker 9 (01:01:20):
You know he is he is, although as tough as
he is on himself, Uh, he's still gonna bang it
around a little bit, but a shutout. Yeah, that's that's unbelievable.
And he's a defensive guy, and it's he has to
feel good about that. And where the team is right now.
You know, I always stayed away from looking ahead, but

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I'm now I can look ahead, and I'm looking at
They've got Atlanta coming up, They got you know, Indianapolis,
I think coming up, yes, and that they're they're kind
of I don't know what's happening with them, but it
all boils down to this. Seems like the Rams game
on Thursday night, you know, and and it's kind of
that's kind of cool. The division is strong, forty nine

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ers are still in it. But yesterday I don't I
don't know. I should listen to you. He broke it
down and knows all the stuff that's going on. I
just watched the game and then boy it was hard.

Speaker 13 (01:02:21):
Well, Mike, we'd have to also mention Carolina after the
Ram game. That could be a track game, right, I mean,
they just beat the Rams, you know, between the forty
nine er game and that Ram game on November eighteenth,
Carolina could be a challenge. But you mentioned obviously Mike
McDonald feeling really good. The whine or the vodka or

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whatever is his beverage on a Sunday night after the
game tastes a little better because his defense was so
essential to the win.

Speaker 9 (01:02:50):
What if you had been.

Speaker 13 (01:02:51):
The head coach last night and you had coached what
you saw unbelievable performance by your defense against the rookie
coquarter back. But then you saw what you saw, what
you said, they made your eyes bleed. If you saw
what you saw, what would be your takeaway last night
is you were drinking the wine.

Speaker 9 (01:03:09):
Well, I think, as Chuck pointed out, it's a shutout,
and you shut out anybody in this league, you should
That's okay. You can have the you can have a
glass of wine. Really. Having said that, however, that poor
young guy who played quarterback, they didn't have a chance.
There was no chance. So the only way they were
staying in the game, they stayed in the game early

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because their defense. Actually Minnesota put gave the Seahawks and
problems early with their defense. And then you know, I
don't know I'm speculating here, but I'm watching Jefferson, I'm
watching some of these guys. I'm watching their head coach
on television. As the game's progressing, and it was like

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they said they knew, they knew they couldn't do anything,
and that that if I was the coach of the Vikings,
that would bother me, that would really bother me. And
and you know, but I think I think early on
it was you know, it was a defensive game, was
going to be a defensive game, and then that crazy interception,

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and then then after that it was over.

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
Yeah, as different between getting beaten and getting broken. And
it did look like I mean, justin, Justin Jefferson looks broken,
just like man, I, yeah, understand me. So you're one
of the best receivers and you just can't get anything
together and one of the better coaches out there and
can't get anything going right either. But I mean, I
have something I actually want to ask coach, and then Hugh,
you can chime into being a quarterback. A lot of

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concern about the turnovers and and the fumbles from Sam
Darnold right, that people just constantly are going to be
concerned about that. Obviously, taking care of the ball is important,
but there's got to be some sort of just cost
of doing business right where you're gonna from time to
time a big dude's gonna smack you when you're you
didn't see it coming, and you're gonna cough the ball up.
So do you have a bunch of concern about him?

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
The fumbles because you're right early on in the game
before that bad pick six, that fumble put them right
in scoring position. You could have been down. And who
knows how the game unfolds. I assume it still turns
out in seahawks favor, but who knows.

Speaker 9 (01:05:14):
Yeah, I think you're right, Buck. You know, sometimes the
quarterback he is not his fault. I mean, you know,
he gets hit from behind, the ball gets stripped out.
That stuff happens. If you play the position, that stuff happens.
I think in Sam's case, you asked me if I'm concerned,
I'm rather than not concerned. I think he does too
many good things. But there are times I think when

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he you know, live for another day, you're in trouble.
You're getting squeezed. Put the ball away, put the ball away,
take the sack off you go. You know, you don't
fumbl the ball. I think sometimes he's in an effort
to make plays, which is an admirable thing, you know,

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but an effort to make plays. Sometimes not always, Sometimes
it allows the opponent to maybe get closer to him
than and get get the turnover.

Speaker 13 (01:06:07):
Mike, I feel like all fumbles are not the same.
And and let's just think of it in three categories,
or all think of it in three categories, and you
tell me if I'm missing something. So let's let's say
a running back. A running back has got to run
once he gets that ball. He's got to run with
five points of pressure right high and tight. You know,

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his chest, his bicep, forearm, and then the thumb side
and the and the and the pinky, you know, the
two sides of his hand, five points of pressure.

Speaker 9 (01:06:36):
And if he fumbles, which is.

Speaker 13 (01:06:38):
Going to happen, there's never gonna be a running back
that's going to go his whole career or rarely without
a fumble. But you don't want that to happen very often.
But we have a certain standard for how he holds
the ball.

Speaker 9 (01:06:48):
Uh that then you.

Speaker 13 (01:06:49):
Have a quarterback in the pocket who has not yet
begun to throw. He's got both hands on the ball,
he's looking obviously down the field. He's not going to
have that balls as secured as a running back would
and then the third type would be the quarterback is
in the process of throwing, his hands have separated, only
his right hand is on the ball, and if he

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gets hit from behind that that ball is going to
come out very easily. Yesterday Sam Darnold had two fumbles
that were in the middle category. He wasn't yet throwing,
he would have both hands on the ball. So we have,
at least as I've been coached, and I'm sure you coach,
you know, like, hey, two hands on the ball. Let's

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let's uh, there is a little bit of a higher
standard for a quarterback's fumble in that regard what we
saw yesterday.

Speaker 9 (01:07:37):
Yeah, I think that's fair. I absolutely think it's fair.
And that's that's the one thing you would talk to
him about those types of things, and also set up drills.
You know, if you're seeing it, if you're seeing it
happen more than you think it should on that type
of fumble, then set up drills where you okay, let's

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just emphasize this a little bit. How you feel about this,
you're banging it, you know, those drills you and so
you know, he then all of a sudden in his mind,
you know, when it comes to that situation, he's a
little bit more programmed, you know, to handle the ball properly.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
I think if somebody that's not watching this team play,
and there are a lot of people that are commenting
on the Seahawks during the game, during the course of
the week, and they look up, Okay, what do I
need to know about the Seahawks, and Okay, they do
this really well, statistics say, and then these statistics and
they will circle the turnover thing, and certainly you want
to clean it up. But I like what Greg Olsen

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said about it last night. It's like, yes, you want
to fix your turnover issue, you have too many turnovers
this year, But I don't want it to take away
from the team's aggression, which has been part of their
success so far this year. I feel that's the way
Mike McDonald feels about his own team. I don't think
he feels like he has a turnover issue right now,

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even though a stat sheet might suggest that the team does.

Speaker 9 (01:09:00):
I think that's a good point, Chuck, I really do.
I think, however, you know that in this business, and
you can go and look at most games during the
week on most teams, that the game can be decided
and often is by the turnover thing. It is so,
but they've overcome that and it has not been a

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problem at their nine to three and they're leading the
division and I think they're going to be there, but
they have to You're right, people kind of overdo that
just a little bit. It has not black and white. No.
The only time. The thing they they refer to the
Ram game. That's the thing that kind of sits in
their mind because he had the four picks. It was

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a close game and that was kind of the deciding
factor in that game. I think we all agree to that,
but generally speaking, it hasn't even though the ball has
been on the ground a little bit, it hasn't hurt
him too much this year.

Speaker 13 (01:09:57):
Well, and he has said, we all know Sam Donald
lost that Ram game, and that's just the nature of
playing that position, Mike, right, is that if you play
that poorly those turnovers, you're going to say the quarterback
lost the game. Sam Donald certainly says that. But you know,
now what I'm what I'm about to say is not
up to date from this weekend. This is Friday. Going

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into the weekend, Sam Donald was on a pace the
turnover worthy plays. As judged by Pro Football Focus, he
was on a pace for eighteen and a half Pat
Mahomes because he had twelve Pat Mahomes had sixteen. He
was on a pace for twenty five. In Pat Mahomes's career,
he has had the following fifteen twenty one, eighteen twenty two,

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fourteen twenty two, an average of nineteen point nine. Let's
round nineteen nine to twenty. He's averaged twenty turnover worthy
plays per season. This is judged to be the best
quarterback of an entire generation, maybe all time, and he
averages twenty a year. Sam Donald was on a pace

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for eighteen and a half. So and Donald was number
one in big time throws and break big time throw rate.
So somewhere, Mike might hell, I don't have to quote
these guys. You had Brett Farber's a three time MVP
who threw his share of interceptions, but he gave you

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so dog on many big plays and those you know,
ripping balls in the red zone into seams that nobody
else can throw to to get touchdowns for you just
talk to us and amplify your thoughts on Hey, I've
got a guy, Yes, I wish he had fewer turnovers,
but by golly, he's producing a lot of big plays.
I don't want to neuter that out of him. Where

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do you find that balance where you feel like it's okay? Well,
first of all, I want to say it was fake news.
Brett Favre did not turn the ball over, He did
not throw interceptions, and I coached him out of that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Damn, maybe you did.

Speaker 9 (01:11:59):
That is true. I think I'm getting older and I
forget some of that stuff, you know, But no, you're
you guys are right. I mean, you you got a
star quarterback, or you get a guy who can really
play and win games for you. Then and then, but
then the turnovers take place. What you have to prevent
or try to prevent, or try and coach are the

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are the poor decisions, really poor decisions, you know, and
that lead to turnovers? And Brett, certainly, I'll use Bretta
as example. Early in his career, you know, he would
take chances and do crazy stuff, stuff I hadn't seen before,
you know. And then a little like a little like
that first interception last night yesterday, you know, trying to

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get what are you doing about the ball? Why did
you talk about the vikings? Quarterback. Vikings quarterback, Why did
you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
You didn't coach that ever? On the side arm falling down,
I have an interception on the double coverage.

Speaker 9 (01:12:55):
I prefer the underhand when he's got one knee on
the ground. But no, I saw it all and you
you're right, don't take that away. Don't take the explosive,
great play away from him. But in Bret's case, I'll
use him again as e Apple. All of a sudden
he reached a point where that didn't happen quite so

(01:13:16):
much anymore. He understood, and he was willing to curb
some of his enthusiasm, as the saying goes. And then,
of course, then I came to Seattle, and then I
didn't have him. I tell Mike Sherman and the guys
that had bread afterwards, I said, I went through the
growing pains with him. You had the good stuff, you

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know so, But I think, quarterback, you know you know
this better anybody. You learn that stuff, and you mature,
and you Joe Montana in my last year with him,
you know, he had one of the great seasons he'd
ever had, and he was he had a lot of
great seasons, and it was so different because he rarely,

(01:13:58):
rarely took good chance and made a poor decision. But
of course he played a long time and he's a
special player. But heck, mahomes. We'd all like to you know,
everyone like to have mahomes. Yeah, you know. And so
I think Sam's a good player, and I think I'll
take what he's doing this year for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:14:18):
I mean, yesterday they were talking on the broadcast how
no of the team is committing to the run or
I don't don't think that's the way that they said it.
But they're handing the ball off more than most teams are.
All the other teams are out there, and then they're
taking shots over the top. So to me, it would
just seem like that's the recipe that they want to have,
is we're going to hand the ball, make you respect

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the run, and then we're gonna take shots downfield. That
means that there's gonna be chances, there's gonna be times
that you get to our quarterback it turns into a fumble.
There's gonna be times when they're trying to make big
explosive plays that you end up picking balls off. So
if that recipe is what your recipe would be you
like that whole thing, because they also took away those
big player yesterday. But at the same time, I don't

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know if that's that they took it away. Did it
look to you like they took the Jackson Smith and
Jigba for example, out of the equation or was it
the score once they started realizing we're up, you know,
thirteen points. We're not going to give up thirteen points
to this team, and so we're not going to try
to do those big plays anymore. That's that's the question
of the day.

Speaker 9 (01:15:22):
I I and then you know, I gave you that
assignment over the weekend m H and Jackson's Smith and Jigmut.
I was thinking during the game, you know what, I
don't know exactly what they're doing in the secondary or
how they're doing this, but he's not getting the ball
and that's the first time, that's the first time all year.

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So what were they doing differently? And I think maybe
maybe some of that factored in buck that they they said,
there's no way this team can score points on us,
or enough points, and we're going to just tone it
down a little bit. Maybe they did that, but both
Charbone and Walker I think contributed a lot. Neither team

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passed the ball very well. You know, they had the
yardage there. Passing was was not good for either team,
you know, and so uh it was. It was a
crazy game with the penalties and and the and the
you know, the turnovers. It just wasn't that much fun
to I'm happy for the Seahawks, but it was different.

Speaker 13 (01:16:26):
Now, Mike, you did give me the homework assignment I got.
I've got some dat.

Speaker 9 (01:16:29):
No if you if you couldn't get it done, don't
be like my when I told when I told my
chemistry teacher in high school, I did, but I left
my thing at home.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
You know, I'm looking right at it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:44):
You know I didn't delegate it.

Speaker 13 (01:16:45):
No, this is this is just me, uh looking at
the coach's tape of of all the plays, and I'm
gonna now, I'm gonna go back and and add the
passer rating.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
I was.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
I was.

Speaker 13 (01:16:56):
I was traveling for the holidays. I was in Florida.
My son was was a senior senior.

Speaker 9 (01:17:01):
Game for the Gators.

Speaker 13 (01:17:03):
I was at the Florida Florida State game and traveling,
so I didn't meet my own standards. But right now,
free access for JSN he gets free access forty four
percent of the time. Mike rolled covers twenty seven percent
time press so that it's man but uh, no safety

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over the top, but no no free access. You know,
obviously he's got to get off the bump and run
guys twenty nine percent of the times.

Speaker 6 (01:17:32):
I'll give you more.

Speaker 13 (01:17:33):
Detail, but there's almost half the time he's getting free access.
Yesterday specifically, yeah, they rolled on him. But you know what,
there was a couple occasions where they they actually rolled
on Cooper Cup just because of formation and the field
and boundary and what have you, and they had free
access to JSN.

Speaker 9 (01:17:54):
There was a time.

Speaker 13 (01:17:55):
Where where I think McDonald Sam Darnold has been good
this year at using his eyes. So Mike, the the
Vikings had a ton of zone blitzes where they they're
playing three deep on his zone zone blitz and sometimes
even two under they're playing quarter quarter half with his

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zone blitz, rushing five and playing uh with just six
and a lot of times they would squeeze to j
s N and and and But I didn't think Donald
used his eyes as well because I felt like he
felt like the uh, the uh, his time clock was
going off. There was a time, for example, where where

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he could have waited on jas N on an intermediate
inbreaking route, but he in weeks past he's done that
with his eyes, just manipulate that shallow defender and then
throw in behind him.

Speaker 6 (01:18:49):
He didn't do that.

Speaker 13 (01:18:50):
As we said, there was times where you know, on
a double on a lion mic on double slant, uh,
he should have gone to j s N. So I
think I think there's I got three or four minuses
on on Sam Darnold on where he chose to go
with the ball and a couple of those involved js N.

Speaker 9 (01:19:07):
You know, it kind of goes back to what we
were talking about before, maybe that he's in that game.
Sam's in that game, and he's just everyone watching the
game or feeling on the field. They're not going to
score very much, if at all. So I'm not going
to screw this up. I'm I'm gonna approach it. Maybe

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a little bit different, uh, you know than some of
the some of the other games. I don't know that,
but that could have been part of it, you know,
because he has been good with his eyes and his
decision making most of the time. Four minuses that's not good.
That's not good.

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
No, I mean it depends on I mean, not double minuses.

Speaker 13 (01:19:52):
It just when I when I have a minus there,
I'm saying, if if I can envision myself in that
quarterback coaching room, Mike Holmgan or or whoever's the quarterback coach,
he would say, Okay, did we throw it to the
right guy? And I've got I got three, And then
you could debate the four three where I thought the
ball should have gone somewhere else based on the read.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
Well, it probably didn't help that he was wearing Dallas
Turner like a petticoat and Jonathan Grenard like a chess plate.

Speaker 9 (01:20:22):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
So, I mean, yeah, all right, we're gonna talk more.

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Speaker 10 (01:20:46):
See enough to Seattle, Second and six for the Seahawks,
sharpening again over the left side, breaks the tackle, get
up three touchdown, first one of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
For the Seahawks offense. Uh yeah, one touchdown for the offense.

Speaker 5 (01:21:02):
Even though it was a bit of a laughter of
a game, it felt decided early on twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
Six to nothing the final score.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
Certainly some accolades still to throw out about the defensive performance,
but we really didn't sink our teeth into the pass protection. Coach,
I felt like that was the worst Sam Darnold has
been protected by far this year, and Anthony Bradford continues
to struggle. Should Mike McDonald be alarmed by this.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
Or do you give credit to the Vikings defense?

Speaker 9 (01:21:30):
No, I think the Vikings did a nice job that way,
and they did pressure, but certainly you have to be alarmed,
not alarmed, but you have to if it has to
be addressed, has to be addressed, absolutely, and it's if
they want to go all the way, which I think
they have a chance to go all the way, then
that's an area that teams now will watch look at

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that game and to come away from that, they were
able to pressure early on in particular, well the whole
game actually they put pretty pressure. And then as Bucky
pointed out earlier, then the Seahawks went to running the
ball more in the second half, and because the game
was essentially over, but no, you got you have got
to address that. You know, they've had a couple of

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injuries in there. I don't know if that's affected play,
but the farther you get along and closer to the
playoffs and the super Bowl and so on, it's something
you have to look at.

Speaker 13 (01:22:25):
Mike count when you encountered teams like that that like
to put everybody up at the line of scrimmage, you know,
they played a lot of three four and so they've
got linebackers, you know, seven across the boards, defensive line
and linebackers. Any and any of those linebackers can pop

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out threaten the rush. That whole idea of mugging up.
What was your favorite remedy for teams that like to
do that When they're playing the zone behind it, but
they're showing pre snap everybody at the line of scrimmage,
you don't quite know who's coming.

Speaker 9 (01:23:03):
Well, I think you got to get the ball out
of your hand quickly because that area between the linebackers
and like you said, the secondary who are playing a
little bit deeper, Okay, there's more room there and so play.
The other thing is play action pass. If those linebackers
are mugging and then getting into pass coverage at some
point trying to fake you out, but you run like

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a running running play right at them. They're they're a
little bit stuck in that area. Now there's again room
behind them to throw the ball. So you know it's
but it's it's a challenge, I mean for the for
the quarterback and for the offensive cause it's you got
to make sure your inside is covered and if anyone's
going to be unblocked, it's going to be the outside guy.

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Your back has to understand if he's got pass protection,
pickup how he asked to go from one to two,
those types of things. And yesterday, Uh, the rushers, they
they couldn't they couldn't handle the number fifty five for Minnesota. Grenard. Yeah, yeah,
he was. He was pretty impressive to me, and they
had a tough time blocking him.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
Or maybe that was Wilson. Wilson Wilson, Yeah, he had
four tackles lost. Yeah, Wilson had a big game.

Speaker 6 (01:24:14):
Well I'm not sure if that's who it was, but
he probably was one of the guys that was going by.
Anthony Bradford. I love listening to you. When I get
to talk to you a couple times a week and Hugh,
you guys break stuff down and you'll get me to
start looking at different things. And yet when I just
watch a game, there's there's some things that I'm like, WHOA,
I can't wait to hear what coach and Hugh have

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to say about that. There's one thing that I think
anybody can see, and that's Bradford. I mean, I don't
know for sure what you would say to a guy
like that, or if it just is an indictment on
who is behind him, because this has been your starter
all year. I mean, they're trying to pull him and
he runs to the end of the line and just
doesn't even go after the guy that he's supposed to block.
I assume or people are the pass rushing and he

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had one where like a guy went on this side
of him and another guy went on this side, and like, well,
can you just block one of them? We don't need
to a block bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Can you just do it?

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
And it's like he was trying to block some imaginary
person that was in front of him. Are you seeing
the same thing as far as his play goes, or
am I just imagining?

Speaker 9 (01:25:12):
No, No, you're not imagining it. And the thing that
the thing that I think everybody noticed in the game
we're watching on TV uh is that when he was
pulling from his right to his left and they were
bringing an outside guy to that side, that's who he
was supposed to block. And the guy's right there if

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I'm pulling, and there shouldn't be any confusion here he comes,
that's the guy, and he somehow, somehow he looked in it.
Just you go, well, that can't happen, you know. And
so and so they've had look at they've got. They've
been competing, you know. You hear that all the time.
We compete all the time. Well, they've had since training camp,

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they've that position has been a competition, I think, you know.
And so you know, if someone is healthy and ready
to play, give him a chance. Give him a chance,
because you are going to be graded, you know, on
on how you did in the game. If your grade
is too low or it's not sufficient, then you know

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there's a chance you make the change. You don't want
to do that. You want to keep your guys together,
but if all of a sudden, if it's happening too much, no,
absolutely you make a change.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
What's the old joke. If you're seeing double vision, hit
the guy in the middle, Yeah, just hit one of them. Yeah. Please,
let's I mean, let's talk a little bit about the defense.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
Feel like we maybe we should hand out a little
bit of flowers here.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
And I would ask you both this question because I
think that when we watched the game, just as you
know football fans, that you see Ernest Jones fill up
the stat sheet and you see DeMarcus Lawrence make the
highlight plays yesterday. But there's got to be something to
how you keep Justin Jefferson to two catches and four

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yards on six targets during the course of the game. So,
either through Hughes advanced film study, or just whatever popped
out to you, coach about who really did kind of
stand out on that defensive side of the ball. Maybe
it was Jones, maybe it was Lawrence, or maybe somebody
else was the guy responsible for such a great defensive game.

Speaker 9 (01:27:23):
Yeah, I'll let you comment on this. I'll just say
that that they are They're getting a lot of activity
from their four pass rushers the four defensive lineman and
when you can do that, then you can really fool
around behind them and do a bunch of stuff, and
and they're they're good. And that's a credit to Mike
and his defenses and what he's doing. But there are

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not a lot of teams. I don't think they can
apply that type of pressure with four people. Yeah, and
then when they bring another one or they mix it
up a little bit, they almost always get home against it.
And then then then then you get the poor young
core back.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
You know it just.

Speaker 9 (01:28:04):
What a game, What a game to break in, what
a team to break in against. Yeah, and it was
not going to happen. It was not going to be good.
It looked like a.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
Port chopping a lion's day. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:28:15):
Yeah, well, uh, you know, Mike, there was a few
occasions where their role to justin Jefferson. I think one
of the things chuck and answer your question might and
Mike certainly knows this. When you press and that's a
term bump and run, it's man and man. If you
if you press a receiver a lot of the the playbook,

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it translates to a fade. A hits route will translate
to a fade, A quick out route will translate to
a skinny post. A twelve yard out route in some cases,
depending on the split, will will convert to a to
a fade route.

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
So you the.

Speaker 13 (01:28:56):
Combination of when you just press a guy and you
take way the quick game Mic. Right then when you're
having the pass rush that that the Seahawks were producing,
that can really be a big problem. And then I
lauded Josh Uh Josh Job on that interception that that
Ernest Jones had, Mike, it was it was justin. Jefferson

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was the X. It was an X in speed cut,
not not a square in, but a speed in. And
it was cover three. Corner was off single high guys
uh and and and Josh Job was on the outside
shoulder because of the split and and where the balls
on the near half Mic, But I thought Josh Job
had a textbook, clinic tape drive on the football, get

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his hand up, pop the ball in the air. Ernest
Jones gets the interception. That's got to be on paper
as hard a duty as there is in for a
cornerback in the NFL that man on that type of
route in that coverage. Uh, it was not cover three,
it was it was cover one. And Uh lurk with
with Jones as the as the shallow hole player, Mike,

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that was a hell of play by Joe.

Speaker 9 (01:30:07):
You know what it was, and uh, you give credit
where credit is due. Excuse me the But I will
say this if if I have Jefferson, you know, and
I have a privilege to coach Jerry Rice and some
of these guys, there is no way, there is no
way I'm gonna quit if they hold my guy, that

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guy to what you say, chuck to catch your yards
that you know. And then I was critical of Jefferson
and his affect on the sidelines when he come over
and sit on the on the on the bench and stuff.
But I guess now that we're talking about it, I
kind of feel I kind of feel for him because

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here's the acknowledge one of the finest receivers in the league,
and it's inexcusable that they didn't have something they could
pop him a little bit and get him some catches.
I just think that I blame the offensive. I blame
the offense on that well.

Speaker 5 (01:31:06):
And I don't know how much time you guys spent
on this last week, but he also had to experience
the looking across the sideline and seeing the quarterback he
had last year, I know, playing for another team. I mean,
they could have franchise tag Sam Donald last year and
kept him around just to see if JJ McCarthy needed
another year or so, and they decided not to do that.

Speaker 9 (01:31:28):
Well, you know what I did yesterday, and shame on
me for doing this, and if you want to kick
me out, I will.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
I'll leave.

Speaker 9 (01:31:34):
When I saw that, and I'm thinking, Okay, they had
Daniel Jones and Sam Donald and they decided to do
what they did, I'm going, Okay, who's making that decision?
So I looked up the Minnesota you know, front office
and their general manager. I don't know him. He had
been with the forty nine ers for a while, but
then I look at his strengths. You know what his

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numbers one strength is and he's an expert at this analytics.
As soon as I saw that, I threw my paper
in the air, turned off my computer. Okay, it's like
Hugh and the officials. It's like Hugh and the officials
and analytics, analytics.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
Ye, he's an analytic herder, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:32:17):
One last segment with coaching Hugh as we wrap up
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