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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Does that mean?

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Don't jumped any conclusions.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
Not a god, You've got to lower lower your expectations.

Speaker 5 (00:19):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to.

Speaker 6 (00:21):
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admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
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Speaker 5 (00:32):
Five seven guard and a former college water polo and
national champion.

Speaker 7 (00:36):
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Speaker 5 (00:38):
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Ashley Ryan.

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Speaker 4 (01:07):
Hey, good morning, welcome in. It is a Monday. Great
to have you with us. I hope you had a
good weekend. Had some nice weather this weekend, which was
a nice little change up from all the rain that
has been descending upon us. But the rain is back
here this morning. Hopefully we don't have many further messes
that we've had here for the last week or so.

(01:28):
Good to have you with us here on the show.
My name is Chuck Powell. Ashley Ryan is here, so
is former Mariner Bucky jacobsitting here on this Monday. So
much planned for you between now and ten o'clock. You
know how we do it on Mondays. We're pretty thorough now. Yeah,
we get dive into it. We dive deep, yeah, really deep.

Speaker 7 (01:47):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
And there's a lot to dive into.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
And I'll say I think that I'm in a good
shape for it. I gave myself a little bit of
an early Christmas present. I got myself a coffee maker,
and I kind of overdid it in the last twenty
four hours.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I'm like my thirty eighth cup. Yeah, so I'm kind
of jittery.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
Have you slept in the last several days or you
just coffee?

Speaker 4 (02:09):
No, just straight coffee. I got one of them ivy attachments.
Oh yeah, yeah, well fancy new ones. Yeah fancy hadn't heard.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Of that one.

Speaker 8 (02:17):
Yeah, queasino. I just smoked my coffee. I don't inject it.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
That's one way to do it.

Speaker 8 (02:25):
Actually, just mainlines it.

Speaker 7 (02:27):
Yeah, in the form of cherry coke zero right.

Speaker 8 (02:30):
Yes, uh she just drinks cherry cokes.

Speaker 9 (02:34):
I do drink about two coffees a week now. Oh,
I'm turning into a real adult.

Speaker 8 (02:39):
A real coffee that you're drinking.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
No, probably not.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
It's probably souped up with a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 7 (02:43):
It's a brown sugar, shaking oat milk spread.

Speaker 8 (02:45):
That's not that's not a coffee.

Speaker 6 (02:47):
But I enjoyed those types of It's got a coffee
flavor kinda.

Speaker 8 (02:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:52):
Yeah, sometimes that's too much. I'm like, I need more
brown sugar.

Speaker 8 (02:57):
Do you an old school one or did you get
one with I just got to drip one. Yeah, I
got to drip one. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
We've had the pod thing, and then lately I've just
been using some just cheap old thing just to get
me through. And I'm like, you know what I missed,
Like the big, big brew smell of coffee, just like
lingering in the air.

Speaker 8 (03:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
So I just ran out and got myself an early
Christmas present.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
Good for you, And then you just decided screw it.
I'll just drink coffee all night last night, this morning,
this morning.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's just a little stronger.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
I mean, I really have only had what six cups,
but it's just a little stronger, yeah than what I normally.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
When you say that, the word only needs to be
put in front of it. I mean it's six three am.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Just two this morning, just too this morning, Okay, yeah,
sixth since I bought it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well,
we've got a lot to discuss here today. Seahawks went
over the Colts yesterday eighteen to sixteen in a game
that I certainly did not expect. Jason Myers kicks six
six field goals in the game, and the Hawks proved

(04:00):
to eleven and three on the season, which is really
all that matters as they get ready for the biggest
game of the year here in just a few days.
I mean, I think there are just three monster takeaways
from this game, and we'll try to hit all of
those three monster takeaways here in our first segment this morning.
And it starts first and foremost with the biggest story
this weekend in the National Football League, and that is

(04:22):
the return to Philip Rivers.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
And obviously I.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Went all in on how on earth can he succeed
being gone for five years?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Well, you saw it. He was on time, he was There.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Was one incident where he kind of looked like he
slipped on the ice.

Speaker 8 (04:39):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Other than that, he didn't get overly harassed. He got
rid of the football. He showed us how you can
sit on a sideline for five years and then come
out and be a functional quarterback in the National Football League.
I didn't see it coming. I made that very clear
all last week. But certainly he proved me wrong. And

(05:02):
as coach said, maybe he's the only one that could have.
I don't know, but all the credit in the world
to him. He almost guided the Indianapolis Colts to a
road win over arguably the best defense in the National
Football League. I didn't give him a chance. I was
dead wrong. Good for you, Philip Rivers, And as I
said last week, I'm happy that he was. I mean,

(05:24):
we came away with a win. We got the win,
but it was a lot more interesting of a game
because Philip Rivers was functional, and the week in the
National Football the NFL is a lot more interesting now
that he's back, and it was already a ten out
of ten and interesting.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
So I give him all the credit in the world.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
He held his own yesterday, and I didn't think that
he would.

Speaker 6 (05:45):
Yeah, I mean he held his own. I mean, he
didn't do anything spectacular.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
He was.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
I mean, he wasn't trying to push the ball down
the field. There was one of the early passes that
was outside that was kind of fluttering and you're like, ooh,
that shot put delivery that he's always had looked at
a little even more uglier than it did better in
a day, but it still was.

Speaker 8 (06:05):
He was effective, He was on time.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
They had a game plan that was like I guess
you know, he had said before the game, I'm not
expect I can't throw the wall sixty yards anymore. Well,
I don't even know if sure if you throw forty yards,
probably can on the video. Yeah, yeah, but he's not
going to He's not gonna be as accurate. Whereas the
little dump offs the game plan that we figured they
would try to implement, Yes that he did that, and

(06:30):
he did it very well.

Speaker 8 (06:31):
He was a game manager.

Speaker 6 (06:33):
I mean there was, you know, coming down the end
when they end up kicking the field goal to take
the lead before giving the lead back with fifty seconds
or whatever was left that when they ran it and
gave him a sixty some yard field goal, that was
one where I think the five years ago or majority
of his seventeen year career.

Speaker 8 (06:54):
You're trying to ice the game there.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Yeah you're behind, you need a field goal, but you're
trying to get a first down and end this with
the field goal. You're kicking it with three seconds left,
and instead they ran it just get a little bit closer.

Speaker 8 (07:06):
That was a.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
Situation where I think they maybe I'll bet their second
guess in it right now because of the way that
it ended up.

Speaker 8 (07:12):
But I think that that.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Was because the way Mike McDonald used his timeouts.

Speaker 8 (07:16):
Yeah, it was very good.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Five years ago you'd be like, what are you doing?
But in today's game, being able to preserve some clock
because odds are you're going to get the ball at
minimum the thirty yard line and you have a kicker
that can kick from sixty five, I think, yeah, then
you preserve the clock just in case you need it.
Needed a heck of a job.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
Great job by him and his crew they come up
with those and to convince him to go ahead and
do that, sell those you know, spend those timeouts there,
because yeah, you gave yourself a chance.

Speaker 8 (07:44):
It was.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
It was an interesting game. It was one where I
mean Philip Rivers didn't go out there and light it up.
But he managed the game like a veteran. Like I
thought maybe a veteran could do. It was going to
be uphill sledding against that defense. But the Indianabas Colts,
there's a they're scuffling now. Is a four in a
row and five out of six that they've lost. But
that's a good team. I mean, that's a team. They

(08:06):
have a lot of talent on the defensive side. Their
offensive line, didn't They protected Philip Rivers enough to keep
the Seahawks off of them for the most part, so
that he could dank and dunk and find those guys.
And then he made a couple of really good throws.
The back shoulder throw that led them down to take
the lead late. That was a big throw and a
great catch. I mean, it was impressive considering how where

(08:30):
he's been. I mean he was on the couch, you know,
basically watching it with his grandkid last week and then
now all of a sudden he's in there. To me,
the biggest age thing was him getting up off the
ground and I feel you on that, Philip Rivers. That's
where he looked the oldest is when he would have
to try to get up it's just not as easy
as it used to do.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
I've just seen so many young I practice every week
quarterbacks just get overwhelmed by this sport. And I mean
I mentioned this several times last week. Matthew Stafford looked
confused when he faced the Mike McDonald defense not long ago,
and he might be the best player in the world
right now, and so, I mean, I just felt I mean,

(09:11):
Hughes said something very interesting on Friday which stuck with
me all week and long. I hope he's It was
sort of a suggestion. I hope he's not successful. I
don't want him to look good playing quarterback because that
might suggest that it's not nearly as difficult as.

Speaker 8 (09:28):
It truly is, as it was for me my whole career.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Or for anybody.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
And I don't think that he necessarily made the quarterback
position look easy. I didn't come away with that thinking, oh, man,
Hugh Millen, why does he think that.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
This is such a difficult thing to do?

Speaker 7 (09:46):
Yeah, I mean, if anyone could go in and do that, a.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Forty four year old can get off the couch after
five years and complete a few passes, then why these
quarterbacks make it look harder?

Speaker 8 (09:56):
Than it is.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
I mean, I didn't come away with that, but I
will say this, he sort of gave you a textbook
like those that really struggle at it. Maybe you're making
it too difficult because he was functional, Yes, five years removed,
and you're right, he didn't test the boundaries. They are
the limits of quarterback play. It wasn't anything pretty. But

(10:20):
for somebody that practiced twice this week, hasn't taken a
hit in five years, has been throwing when he does
throw to high schoolers, you know, for the last five years,
for him to come in there and be functional, I
think it's a damn sports miracle. And yet I didn't
think that he was going to pull that off, and

(10:41):
he did.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, absolutely did.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
I think functional is the right word to describe it.

Speaker 9 (10:44):
He went out there and he did the job with
the game plan that they had considering their starting quarterback
was out, and he executed it well. There was definitely
certain things you're looking at that you realize, well, this
isn't working because you've had two or three practices. You know,
you're missing receiver and floating balls over their head, things
like that that it's just the timing. They don't have
that and you wouldn't expect them to have that. And

(11:06):
I think I definitely thought going into that he was
just going to get lit up, and you know, and
and the injury concern, I kept saying, put flags on him.
I'm worried he's gonna get hurt. And he didn't, and
he is. He held his own and he did a
good job.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
And I was expecting that slip on the ice kind
of play.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
I was expecting like seven of those.

Speaker 7 (11:25):
Yeah, yeah too.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
I was expecting at least a couple interceptions and he
really didn't throw any. The only one and that he
threw was at the end of the game, and yeah,
you can't even count that, yeah, in desperation moment. So
I give him, I give him a lot of credit
the other person. And I think this is the second
thing that has to be mentioned. And if you only
have one segment to talk about yesterday's game, this is
the second thing that has to be mentioned. Jason Myers

(11:50):
has been unbelievable this year. I mean there's one there
are two guarantees of Pro Bowl from the Seahawks roster,
and they are JSN and Jason Myers. I mean that's
I got guarantee at this point. That guy has been

(12:11):
sensational this year. And I can't tell you how many
times that I've felt this season that we should be
talking more about Jason Myers because he's turned automatic on
us here this season. And obviously Mike McDonald has gone
for it on fourth down fewer than any head coach
in the National Football League, So obviously he feels like

(12:32):
Jason Myers is a guaranteed three points right now, and
he is even with the game on the line, even
the remember how he would succeed on the long field
goals and struggle with the extra points there for a
year and a half or so. I mean, he's just guaranteed,
no matter where you are on the field, even with
fifty you know, with four seconds remaining from fifty six yards,

(12:56):
just as true as can be. So we certainly have
to talk about Jason Myers and the excellence that he's
brought to the kicking game this year.

Speaker 8 (13:05):
Yeah, I don't know for sure.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
I mean, typically if you rely on your kicker to
make six field goals, you're probably not going to win
a bunch of games, right you want to finish some
of those drives. But considering that, the recipe that you
were going up against, which is somebody that practiced, you know,
a couple of days, hadn't been doing anything but coaching
high school football for the last five years. They weren't.

(13:27):
So you weren't going against you know, the Patrick Mahomes
led you know Chiefs that we've watched over the majority
of the last decade. You were going against the team
that you knew maybe twenty points might be all that
it takes, and obviously eighteen was all that it took,
and so you could settle for those those field goals.
Now you're not going to want to do that. That

(13:48):
was not the convincing win that you've been watching for
the better part of the last couple months when they've
gone out there and you basically coming here on Mondey,
we're talking about this is Super Bowl continuing, maybe Super
Bowl favorites, and it's best in the NFC, and even
after a loss against a division foe like the Rams.
So I think that there's obviously room for improvement. But

(14:10):
that's the one area that you don't have to worry
about for sure, and that's a big one. It's a
big one come playoff time. You want to have a
solid kicker that you feel you can run out there.
That last kick that he made probably would have been
good from sixty five, and it definitely would have been
good from sixty.

Speaker 9 (14:22):
Well, and you think about the pressure on that last
one too, So just all of it, I mean, any
you know, obviously, especially when your offense isn't getting in
the end zone, any kick, you're going to be dealing
with pressure on it. But for that one, in that moment,
we were at the game, and I know it wasn't silent,
but it felt like everything just kind of stood still
as you're waiting for him to kick that through there,
and it was in the We're on that north end

(14:44):
zone and it was kicking it towards us, and I
just remember like it felt like slow motion watching it
go through the goalposts and think like, oh my gosh.
And but he the rest of the kicks the rest
of the day, I didn't feel like there was any
pressure watching him.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
I was like, Oh, he's going to do this.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah, I hope I get to Heaven. My guess is
that when I get there, there won't be any kickers.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Probably not. Yeah, that's that's my fields.

Speaker 7 (15:08):
No punters.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
And yet Jason, I'll let you in the Pearly game.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, because you've just been that special third thing that
has to be mentioned this morning, and that is, you know,
you got to be a little bit concerned about this
offense here in the second half of the season. It
hasn't been nearly as potent and for this team to
have to settle for six field goals against I mean,
the Indianapolis colt is a pretty good team, but you're

(15:36):
not going against the Houston Texans. That's not the Houston
Texans defense out there. Uh, And so there's got to
be some concern. There were there were some moments of
a little too conservative I felt that play calling from
Clint Kubiak, and when you have to huddle your entire
offense on the sideline at one point to you have

(15:59):
an all offense meeting in the middle of the game.
Obviously Clint Kubiak's not too happy with where they're at
right now.

Speaker 8 (16:07):
Either.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
You're getting ready for this key stretch. You're getting ready
for your biggest three games of the year, and the
biggest one's gonna happen in three days, and you better
be better offensively than what you have been for.

Speaker 8 (16:19):
The last month.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
Well, the fact that they I mean, I guess it's
working so far. I mean, you find yourself at what
eleven and three, and you have your destiny in your
own hands coming up this Thursday. And yet, yeah, the
inconsistency of it, where against bad teams they now have
what four different halves that they've scored thirty points or

(16:41):
more and a half. I mean that is like wow,
bank bank bank. They can be explosive, and yet then
there's times that they don't do anything. And yet they
stick to run in the ball. And we heard Pete
Carroll for years, we got to run the ball more.
We're going to run the ball more. Well, the Clint
Kubiak does that. They run the ball more than anybody,
and yet they're not super efficient. Yesterday was one of

(17:01):
the worst. Yeah, and perform you are not going to
You're not going to win a bunch of games against
playoff caliber teams if you're averaging two yards of carry
and still just deciding Nope, we're gonna still run it
about a fifty to fifty split here, maybe even a
little bit more. You're gonna there's and I don't know
for sure if that affects Darnald at times like almost

(17:22):
like let him get into a rhythm a little bit
when he's passing instead of noe. We got to get
back to the run again, you know. We got to
keep him honest with the run game. So there's concerns
for sure. I'm sure that that Clint Kubiak, while he
went to bed happy with a W, was not happy
with how the offense looks right now.

Speaker 7 (17:39):
Yeah, especially in that first half. Just I mean they looked.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Especially the first half three weeks in a row.

Speaker 9 (17:45):
Yes, exactly what I was as we were watching it.
I'm thinking like, oh my gosh, this is just like
last week. But then I would tell myself, well, maybe
they're going to come out and have a great third quarter,
but you got to have more than one good quarter
of football.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Do you do when you have to face the top
competition And look, you beat a Phillip Rivers led Colts
team at home on the strength of six for six
from your kicker, but you're facing the Rams, the Panthers
who are buying for a title in Carolina and then
San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
You gotta play your best.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
If you're gonna pull this off, you got to play
your best, and we have not seen them play their
best since what Commanders. I mean, they blew away the
Cardinals forty four to twenty two, but I think it's
been since that command Well, they were good against the Rams,
but they lost. I think that they haven't played a
complete game since the Washington Commanders. And that's saying something

(18:39):
because they've won what six of their last seven games.
But we'll have time today to talk about all of it.
So let's find out what is on tap for today's show.

Speaker 7 (18:50):
What's on TEP?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
What's untep? All right?

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Seahawks eighteen Colts sixteen Monday Morning quarterback Today. Hugh Millen
will join us at eight o'clock. Mike Homern will join
us at nine o'clock. So two hours of just full
throttle analysis from two of the best in the business.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
As we look forward to that.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Also, Greg Bell will be with us today at seven
o five to give us the latest and greatest in
covering the Hawks. He's fresh back from the Army Navy
game and having covered the Hawks game yesterday. The National
Football League, the biggest stories yesterday revolved around injuries. Patrick
Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs were eliminated from the

(19:27):
playoffs yesterday, and to add injury to insult Patrick Mahomes
with less than two minutes to go in the game,
ended up tearing his ACL. Was helped off of the
field and he is out for the rest of the
season and part of next season. Micah Parsons also torn
ACL was removed from the Packers game, so he's lost

(19:50):
for the rest of the year for the Green Bay Packers.
And DeVante Adams for the Rams went down late as
well in their game against the Detroit Lions. It's a
hamstring issue, not nearly as serious as the other two,
but obviously when you're facing the Rams this week, it'll
be very interesting to see if the Rams can get
him ready to play by Thursday night. We will start

(20:13):
the countdown to that game tonight. There's no reason to
wait around. We'll start it today. I should say Rams
at Seahawks this Thursday. To this point, the game of
the year, the week in the National Football League will
wrap up tonight. It'll be the Dolphins at the Pittsburgh Steelers.
A Monday night football frostbrewed corselight, choose chill Monday.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Counting you down to this game. At five point fifteen.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
You double one the LA Bulls thirty eight to ten
over Boise State Saturday night, and of course Jedfish is
facing all of those Michigan rumors. The Wolverines have still
yet to name their head coach. They're panicked in Arizona State.
I know that over Kenny Dillingham possibly taking the job. Jedfish,
his name is still out there, and Kaylin de Boor

(20:56):
has gone out of his way to deny his interest
in the but.

Speaker 7 (21:00):
Who knows, which means he'll probably take it to me.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, yeah, probably Fernando Mendoz who won the Heisman Saturday.
Navy did edge Army in a terrific game Saturday in Baltimore.
The college Football Playoff starts Friday with Alabama at Oklahomajre
Polonko signed with the Mets over the weekend. Does that
mean he's not coming back to us?

Speaker 8 (21:19):
Is that what that means?

Speaker 7 (21:20):
I think that doesn't mean that.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Oh shoot, we'll talk about that later on in the show.
The Kraken have lost eight of nine games. Now they'll
take on the Avalanche tomorrow. It feels like they're already
in a must win kind of situation. And you dub
one over Southern Utah Saturday and college hoops they won't
play again until Seattle you this Friday. I don't know
what happened. Why are we playing this one game a week?

(21:43):
What happened with the schedule on that? I'm not really
sure how that happened.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
So a lot to discuss today.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
But when we come back cold Turkey Sandwich, a board
of scores, our look around the National Football League.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
On KJR, Myers kick on the way it is.

Speaker 8 (22:10):
Myers delivers.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Seahawks up by two as Myers is the first Seattle
kicker ever with six field goals in a game. Hey,

(22:40):
good Monday morning to you. It is Chuck Buck and
Ashley with you is.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Greg Bell will join us in a matter of moments
to recap that game from yesterday. I was gonna say exciting.
I don't know if it was exciting. I don't know
if it's excited, very stressful. Six field goals from Jason
Myers and the Seahawks do find a way to eat
the Indianapolis Colts and Philip Rivers by a final score
of eighteen to sixteen. The Hawks moved to eleven and

(23:07):
three on the year, five two at home by the
way with the two point win, and now get ready
for the game of the year This Thursday, Thursday Night Football,
they will host the Los Angeles Rams with first place
on the line. Both teams eleven and three on the season.
So much to discuss today with our insiders.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Greg here at.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
About two minutes, Hugh Milling at eight o'clock, Mike Homeran
at nine o'clock.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Here on a Monday morning quarterback.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Let's rip through your other headlines though, brought to you
by Frostbrewed Corps Light Shoes Chill. Patrick Mahomes injured his
knee at the end of the Kansas City Chiefs lost
to the Los Angeles Chargers. It was a loss that
knocked him from the playoffs, any contention for the playoffs,
I should say, and Mahomes also suffered a torn ACL,

(23:56):
so he will certainly miss the rest of this season,
and he will miss a portion of next season as well,
at least that is the thought. Micah Parsons of the
Green Bay Packers also tore his ACL yesterday and a
loss to the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
He will miss the rest of the season.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Davante Adams injured a hamstring at the end of the
Rams win over the Detroit Lions, and so seems kind
of far fetched that he might be ready to go
in time to play on a short week Thursday against
the Seahawks, but we shall see. Monday Night football will
close out this week in the National Football League. It'll
be the Miami Dolphins, who have been hot just a

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game under five hundred at Pittsburgh against the Steelers, who
are just a game.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Over five hundred.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
College football all sorts of news over the weekend you
dubbed thirty eight ten winners over Boise State, and the
LA Bowl Army did lose to Navy, which we'll talk
more to about with Greg Bell here in a matter
of moments.

Speaker 8 (24:53):
Be careful, I'm not gonna be sensitive.

Speaker 7 (24:58):
Oh wow, what I said to him on Friday before
we know jeez.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Fernando Mendoza won the Heisman Trophy the Indiana quarterback and
the Michigan Wolverines have still not hired their next head coach,
which pretty much puts every fan base in America on
blast waiting to see which domino will fall in that area.
The college football Playoff will start this Friday with Maama

(25:25):
at Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Stove news over the weekend or A. Polanco is not
returning to the Mariners.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
He signed a two year, forty million dollar deal to
become a member of the New York Mets. The Kraken
have lost eight of nine games, and we'll try to
get right tomorrow at home against the Colorado Avalanche.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
So those are your headlines. Here a lot going on.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
One other note, I should certainly pass on U dub
soccer playing for the men's National Championship game tonight against
NC State four pm. Finally, some bragging rights over Will
Brinson that jerk four pm. That's when that match will
get started. It will be on ESPNU, So go Dogs.
Best of luck to Washington as they try to win

(26:12):
the soccer title. Tonight, Let's talk some football with Greg Bell.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
With the bell tolls, it must be seven o'clock and
time for twelfth Man News with Greg Bell, brought to
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(26:40):
your weekend went well.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Despite the fact that Ashley's a little bit of a
jerk about, you know the things she says, and that
things didn't quite turn out the way you wanted them
to on Saturday.

Speaker 8 (26:54):
Are you all right, sir?

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh, good morning. Un Fortunately the Army Davy. One of
the magical things of it is that it's so much
more than the game itself. It was a reunion for me.
I got to see at the end of the first quarter.
At the end at every Army Davy game, we meet
behind one of the sections and have a class picture.
And every year i'd see guys from my class that

(27:21):
I had seen in thirty years, twenty years, ten years,
five years, and we catch up. And that's what happened
on Saturday. And I missed most of the second quarter
because I was catching up with guys and Giles I
hadn't seen in a while. So we had in d sparracks,
which is the basic training for West Point cadets. You
very first day, when you are dropped off our day,

(27:42):
you go into a squad of ten and those are
your day ones, as the kids saying, those are the
people you go all the way through be sparricks with
and they see it's your worst and toughest and when
you're stressed you want to leave. Of those first ten
the East squad, five of them were there and that
was cool. I got five of my day ones and

(28:03):
caught up with and pictures. That was great.

Speaker 8 (28:06):
So it's great.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yes, it was to be a part of it with you,
that first time he's been. He was blown away.

Speaker 8 (28:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
We were on the field for the end of the
game and man, if the kid had just fallen the
sense of them had just fallen on that fumble, they
probably win. And he tried to scoop it up and
run ninety seven I'd get it. He could have been
an immortal for scooping it up and run ninety seven
yards in the Army Navy game for a touchdown. So
he tried that and he lost the ball and maybe score.

(28:34):
But yeah, it was. That's always a thrilling event, the
whole thing, the scene. I keep saying it. But if
you've never gone, and you're a sports fan and you
had the means, I would so highly recommend you go
to an Army Navy game. It's it's unparalleled.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Did Mike McDonald give you a condolences when he saw
you yesterday?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
He didn't. I thought he might, actually, Yeah, I think
he saw how this shoveled, and Austin I was, I
went straight from the It was snowing in Baltimore yesterday morning,
and so we were sitting on the tarmac for two
hours after we pushed away from the gate, waiting to
get de iced. So when we landed, that was only
like ten am. We didn't land till afternoon. So I

(29:17):
went straight from the airport too. I changed in the
Sea Tack parking garage bathroom and put on the dressier clothes.
I went straight from the airport to the stadium, and
I was, yeah, I'm sorry, News Tribune readers, that was
my best game story in history of years yesterday.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Well, what was the reaction in the locker room players
coaches to having faced Philip Rivers in the story of
the week in the National.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Football Room this year? I thought Barr and Murphy put
her best. He said to me, I said, what do
you expect did facing Rivers and trying to get to
him and all that was that we'd expected? He said,
I didn't know what to expect, He said, I didn't
know if he was going to come out and rip it.
I didn't know if he could barely move. He Devin
Witherspoon said he'd never been quite sick this way, but

(30:09):
he said what was different was that the defensive backs
had to adjust to how slow the passes were coming
and that the balls were fluttering. It was like facing
Phil neicro as a quarterback, Tim or Tim Wakefield, he
said that they would. They were mistiming getting to receivers
and sometimes being late, sometimes being early. We got a

(30:31):
couple of passive France penalties Josh Job in particular in
the first half. They were not used to the change
ups that Rivers were throwing. He was throwing. I mean
even his bubble screens were fluttering. That it was way different. Now,
having said all of that, I thought there were still
a couple of Grandpa moments, didn't you, Like in the
first half when he just fell down and then got

(30:54):
up and just filled Downlet Yeah, Yet they were just
throwing all short passes for a while. He wasn't throwing
anything beyond five yards, and in fact, in the second quarter,
Rivers threw it beyond ten yards for the first time

(31:14):
in the game, and his receiver downs number two down
the left sideline, had beaten Josh Job, it would have
been a touchdown. But Downs didn't even look up for
the ball, and he's like, well, there's no way your
grandpa's gonna throw it this far, and it landed like
two yards inside of him at his feet. I don't
know if you remember that, ye, yeah, but if I'm sure,

(31:34):
that's because Downs was like, he's not gonna throw it
this far, and there was. It would have been a touchdown.
I'd been looking for the ball. So it took the
Seahawks about a quarter and a half to figure all
that out. That's how they started the game far too
soft in coverage, way too far off, and allowing the
culture just run two or three yard routes right in

(31:55):
front of him. They got tighter in the second quarter,
but still they should have gone eleven across the front
honestly to take away run lanes and then just challenge
the receivers to try to go buy them because Rivers
was not going to throw deep. I can count like
three times I remember Rivers throwing further than ten to
twelve yards, including the last play of the game when

(32:16):
weather'spent tipped it to Josh Joe for the interception. I
think I saw the statu of the twenty seven throws
that Rivers had yesterday. Eighteen of them were below ten
yards in the air, and so I thought it took
the Seahawks way too long to change And after the game,
McDonald said, yeah, it was a massive departure from what
the Colts usually do offensively and that we had to

(32:38):
change it up as well. I thought they should up plastered.
And like I said, I'd been eleven across the line
of scrimmage.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
Yeah, I mean it seemed like the Colts had a
good game plan of how to use an aging guy
that hasn't really been in the building, because just to me,
it feels like the further you go downfield, the more
the lack of timing is going to be in and
you know, in rhythm with the guys.

Speaker 8 (33:03):
And yet they moved the ball.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
I mean, there's got to be some sort of concern
you end up getting a w So the concern shouldn't
be excessive, is it? Is it nothing on the concern
of what they did defensively because you held a team
to sixteen points? Is it just more so the offensive
woes the fact that you didn't score a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well, I underlined it, and you almost had to be
perfect defensively to stay in the game because the offense
was malfunctioning, especially at third down the red zone. It
was I think you were two thirteen on third down.
The key to the game was stopping Jonathan Taylor. It
was that coming into it and it was going out
of it. In the first quarter and a half, let's

(33:43):
just call it the first half, he had sixteen carries.
He was averaging nineteen carries a game coming in and
he had sixteen. By halftime, he had fifty eight yards.
He ended up with just eleven yards in the second half.
To me, that was the key to the game because
in the first half, after the Colts their first seven
drives in the game until deep in the third quarter,

(34:05):
they had run on multiple plays multiple times in a
row to start a drive. Every time two or three
times in a row they ran this begins drives. That
happened seven consecutive drives. So what's that mean. The Colts
game plan was that they were going to run on
first and second down so that it was third and
short instead of third and nine. And the game turned
when the Seahawks stopped Taylor, limited him on first and

(34:28):
second down. And that was in the third quarter and
the Colts only scored three points in the second half
because the runs on first and second down didn't go anywhere.
And instead of third and two and three, it was
third and nine and ten, and that's when the Seahawks
got after the Rivers affected him and he couldn't throw. Well,
be on ten yards down the field on third and three.
It doesn't matter if you're throwing five yard outs. See

(34:49):
we'll get the first down on third and nine, third
and ten, you throw five yeard outs, you're punting. And
that's honestly what the difference in the game was that
once the Seahawks limited Tailor to just eleven yards in
the second half, they stopped them from scoring but three points.
That was the key to the game. It's easier said
than done. Taylor was dragging defenders in the first half.
They started when they hit him bringing him down in

(35:11):
the second half instead of getting dragged, and that was
a difference between third and three and third and eight.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Greg Belli is whether it's our Seahawks insider. Of course,
Seahawks winning yesterday over the Indianapolis Colts barely eighteen to
sixteen and Philip Rivers. If you want to follow Greg
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Speaker 3 (35:30):
What was the message?

Speaker 4 (35:31):
What was the wording that was used by Clint Kubiak
on the sidelines when he huddled up an offense that
did not score a touchdown all day long.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Well, the player said he was as animated as he's
been all year, and he was pretty fired up near
the end of the game before they went out and
drove down the field. Let's go back. I think the
hero of the game was Mike McDonald when there was
a minute twelve left when Josh Joe gave up that
third down completion Tyler Warren, the tight end on the

(36:01):
left sideline. It was third and seven, the Seahorks looking
even get the ball back in goods stead to win
the game, and then Joe gives up a third and set.
No coach probably would have gone on fourth down. Of
course there too, but it was a fifteen to thirteen game.
The Colts had just crossed midfield. They were at the
forty nine of the Seahawks with one twelve left, and
that's when McDonald started using his timeouts, and there was

(36:23):
some murmuring in the press box with my colleagues on
what they were doing there, because that's a sixty some
yard field goal from there, So why are you taking
your defensive timeouts? Then, well, McDonald assumed rightly that worst case,
if they do somehow kick a field goal from there,
or if they start getting first downs, I need to

(36:43):
get my offense, leave my offense enough time to operate.
And after the game, Sam Donald said, we played that mean.
McDonald played that perfectly because as a quarterback, I'd rather
have fifty seconds and no timeouts than twenty or fifteen
seconds with two timeouts. And he explained, he kind of inferred,
didn't quite explain, but their difference is with fifty seconds

(37:05):
and no timeouts, you can throw the ball anywhere middle
of the field, down deep down the field, because there's
still enough time if you catch it in bounds to
run your offense up and spike the ball. When you
have twenty or fifteen seconds, but two timeouts, you're somewhat
limited there. You can only do that one or two
times if you have a time out left. And sure enough,
the Colts play exactly as McDonald had guessed. The Colts

(37:30):
played for a field goal from sixty yards. They ran
Jonathan Taylor on first down, they ran Jonathan Taylor on
a third and four to set up a sixty yard
field Who does that? And then the kicker, Shane Steichen
was right. His kicker made a sixty yard field goal
with like three or four yards of spare. But because
McDonald used all three of his timeouts on defense in
that sequence, when the Colts are running twice in three

(37:50):
downs and throwing in bounds on the third play, then
the Seahawks had forty seven seconds when they got the
ball back. Rashid Shaheed makes a great kickoff return. That
was a poor kick by the way, is landed like
a seven yard He just can't do that. You got
to give a make it more of a challenge to
the goal line. It was a short kickoff Rashid from
the seven to the thirty seven. It was their second

(38:11):
best drive start of the game. There were ten on
their own goal line the whole game, but there they
were at the thirty seven. One pass on an interrout
to Shiheed, another eight yard pass to the sheet and
there in field goal range with just two completions thanks
to Shieed's kick return. After the game, you know how
they give game balls, Devin Witherspoon and Niki Worrie have
gotten them. Jackson sent and Jigger was collecting them for

(38:32):
the year he's had. Mike mcdond in the locker room
gave the the game bol to Brian Ayres, his lead
research analyst, because Errors was up in the press box
telling Mike McDonald to use his timeouts, and he said
that Errs was so convicted about it and was so
convincing about it that he had to do it. He
said he was kind of on the fence whether to
do it from midfield, but Errors convinced him to do it.

(38:55):
It won the game. If they had let most coaches
would have not used those timeouts, so the Colts were
in better field goal more conventional field goal range. Airs
convinced McDonald to use him when he did. Air's got
a game ball for giving the offense the chance to
win the game.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Jason Myers has to be what the f What do
I gotta do? What that kicker got to do to
get a game ball around here?

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Can we cut that ball in half? Truth be told,
Truth be told? They give out multiple game ball I'm
sure Jason Myers going.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
All right, yeah, in our last minute before we got
to ask about Thursday.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
I mean it's going to be here before you know what,
and so here we go. Are they ready, I mean
they're not playing as good at football as they were.
I think the last time they face the Rams. Are
they ready for this?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I don't think they're ready right now because they can't.
A lot of guys can't even walk on Monday morning.
But they will get there. And their offense has to
be better. Just that's nothing, no great shakes to that.
They got to be better on third down. But I
will say this, they are good enough. If their quarterback
doesn't turn the ball over, their win. The biggest thing

(39:58):
Sam Donald did yesterdays he did turn the ball over.
He led the league in the sixteen turnovers. He almost
lost one when he fumbled it, but it went out
of bounds in the second quarter. But if he hasn't
turned the ball over, the two games, throw out the
JV game at the end of the last season. The
two games the McDonald and mcveay have gone head to head.
McDonald's schemes have limited the Rams offense. They made Stafford

(40:21):
look like something like a forty four year old Philip
rivers Don in Inglewood last month and if Donald doesn't
throw four interceptions, they win that game. They lost twenty
one to nineteen. When the quarterback the four interceptions and
handed the Rams, they're three touchdowns. The McDonald's got confidence
that he can shut them down. The key to the

(40:42):
game is that Donald can't give the Rams a short field.
Donald doesn't turn it over. The defense is playing at
the level that they can beat the Rams. The problem
now is the forty nine Ers aren't losing either. So
now you have two of these, you got two battle royals.
You gotta beat the Rams in the forty nine ers
to win the division. But yeah, they're not ready today, guys,
they won't even be ready Wednesday. Let me tell you.

(41:03):
NFL players are not ready to play Thursday night games.
But they're gonna have to be ready physically. The Rams
are in the same boat, of course, But yeah, Sam
Donald holds the keys of this game on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
All Right, we'll go get some rest.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
I mean, you gotta be ready for next year's Army
Navy game, and that starts today.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Especially because it's in New York. But yes, I won't
get rest.

Speaker 8 (41:24):
Thank you, all right?

Speaker 4 (41:25):
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Speaker 4 (42:50):
Oh, what an odd game on Sunday, A game that
the Seahawks won by a final score of eighteen to
sixteen behind six that's right, six Jason Meers field goal,
including the game winner with the clock you know, with
inside seconds the remaining in the contest. Mike Homernil joined
us at nine o'clock to evaluate everything, joining us though.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Right now is our QB one.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
I'm so curious as to where he wants to start
his analysis because there's a major topics out there.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
So where does it begin for you, Hugh this morning?

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Well, first of all, I would just say the as
a fan, as an analyst, the close game didn't bother
me at all. I mean, the Seahawks are still number
one in the NFL in point margin at one hundred
and sixty three. There's only three teams that are over
one hundred rams and Patriots being the other one. So
they have six games where they've had double digit wins.

(43:47):
That's second most in the NFL. So the fact that
it was a tight game, it's the NFL. That stuff's
going to happen. We'll get into it in detail, I assume,
but I'm not least bit disappointed with how they defended
Philip Rivers.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
I thought there'd be more sacks. That's that's really the
area that surprised me. But they were not only fine,
they were very good on defense. I think that the
and of course the kicker phenomenal. But what does concern
me is the red zone and the fringe red zone

(44:28):
the Seahawks have in weeks ten, in the last six weeks,
they are making field goals when they get inside the
opponent's forty yard lines. That makes sense. Red zone is
inside your opponents twenty. Fringe red zone is inside the
opponent's forty the Seahawks, that's at just under seventy sixty

(44:48):
nine point seven percent. Not only they number one in
the NFL in field goals and and and only thirty
first in touchdowns let me say the first, but their
field goal percentage, the gap between them and second place
is greater than the gap between second place and twenty
fourth place. Like they are kicking field goals at an

(45:11):
alarming rate. Now, good on Myers that he's making them,
but I think that that that is problematic given where
we are on the skit, on the calendar, and on
the schedule moving forward. They just you know, these this
clunkiness of the offense I think is concerning. And and
and they've had a thirty seven percent drop in their

(45:35):
big play production, uh in the last five weeks. So
there's some things that you know that I can I
can discard about the game yesterday, But there's some elements
of the football team that constituted, in my mind, trends
that just simply must get reversed.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
All right, Well, we're gonna have obviously, we got a
couple hours with you and and so we're going to
get to the bottom of all of that stuff. But
I'm gonna go to kind of the first thing, just
the the bigger topic going into the game. You didn't
you didn't have much of an issue or any issues
with the way in which they defended the Colts, in particular,
Philip Rivers. I'm with you. I didn't feel like it
was bad. I mean, they end up scoring sixteen points,

(46:14):
so it wasn't bad. They didn't give up a ton
was it more of a They just had a good
game plan of how to get rid of the ball.
Because Greg had kind of thought, well, why didn't they
just play press and just bring a bunch of guys up,
because it didn't look at all like they were going
to try to go over the top and beat you,
So why not take that underneath stuff away?

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Yeah, I agree with that. I think they could have
tried to make more havoc. But let's just stop for
a moment here. Philip Rivers threw for one hundred and
twenty yards and he had a seventy three point passerwating
while we're getting caught up and the fact that he's
forty four years old and haven't played in five years,
let's just put that into context. If he did that,

(46:55):
if he was the starting quarterback for an NFL team,
and he did that every week games, he would throw
for two thousand and forty yards. Last year, there were
eleven quarterbacks who had played seventeen games. The minimum is
thirty five hundred and forty one yards. The average is

(47:16):
four thousand and fifty eight, so he would be less
than half of the average for a guy playing seventeen games,
and then the passer rating the minimum I mentioned Rivers
was seventy three. The minimum of those starters who had
eleven starters who had seventeen games, the minimum was an

(47:38):
eighty seven pass rating. The average is ninety nine point
eight call it one hundred. So if Philip Rivers did
that for an NFL team for an entire season, that
team would be picking number one in the draft because
that would be one of the worst quarterback seasons we've
seen in history, certainly in re history.

Speaker 8 (48:00):
So there you know.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Air yards per completion. Philip Rivers had one point three
to nine. This is all straight from the NFL staff portal.
One point three nine. That's that's that's one point four
yards from the line of scrimmage. On his average on
his completions on on throws that he threw the ball
more than five yards from the line of scrimmage, he
was two of nine. He completed two passes where the

(48:26):
ball went more than five yards. So look, I actually
I really like Philip Rivers.

Speaker 8 (48:30):
I'm a fan.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
If he wasn't playing for the Seahawks, I think I'd
be rooting for him. But but let's let's not.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
True.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
He didn't have four interceptions, he didn't give him a
Max braswell, he didn't have nine sacks. So I certainly
we can all envision a scenario where where it was
much uglier for Philip Rivers. But on No No Planet,
I mean, I'll dig in on the beach and and
fight you hard. If you're gonna say that that in

(48:59):
any way, that that he had a good game or
a decent game. No, he did not have a good game.
He did not have a decent game. He just avoided
the calamity that would land him the first story on
Sports Center. That's about all you can say.

Speaker 8 (49:12):
Yeah, I like to do.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I like to do like I don't. I don't take
any joy trying to rip Philip Rivers. But look, I'm
just confronting these facts. Still was better than I thought
it was going to be. Yeah, because we thought it
would be a calamity, right yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
And for for him to have not played in five
years and practiced twice and really not based the speed
of the game, I mean, for him to have not
been sacked five times and throw three interceptions, I think
it's damn near a football miracle. You, Yeah, I think
there could be two truths.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
I think that could be true and and I think
it also can be true that that that the Colts
pass offense was entirely, entirely uh, you know, non productive
by anybody's reasonable standard in modern NFL. I mean, if
this was I mean the league started in nineteen twenty,
I mean, if we went back one hundred years, I

(50:06):
bet that was an okay passing game for nineteen twenty five.
But did they have the forward pass in nineteen twenty
I think they But my point so, look, the Seahawks
defense was fine, more than fine. They just didn't create
the havoc that probably many of us expected. But the

(50:27):
problem from yesterday was the offense.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Well, let's get into it. Yeah, let's get into the
offensive aspect of this. And maybe at the heart of
it is we just keep waiting for this run game,
and we keep waiting for Ken Walker to be effective.
And yeah, they had three yards at halftime, and yet
the determination to run the football still exists. And even

(50:52):
there was one drive here where it looked like they'd
moved up tempo. They completed a couple passes in a
row and it looked like okay, Now the offense is
starting to kick in and they go with three straight runs,
bogged down and settle for a field goal. So I
don't know where you want to start with it, but
certainly the run game is not helping this offense play.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Well, no, it's really not, And particularly on the the
stretch plays, the wide zone that we heard so much
about with Clint Kubiak and and I think you know,
and watching that tape, it looked like it was first
week of mini camp. Just the fundamentals you know early
on there, you you have to have eyes when you

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when when you have basically zone blocking, you're stepping in
the direction you're going and you're trying to reach, but
you're you're going to have two guys are gonna say, okay,
we're we're double teaming those two. One guy at the
defensive line level, one guy at the at the next level,
and and you both come off and you're trying to

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be hip to hips, shoulder to solder and get some
movement with that guy. But then you both then you
have eyes on the next level guy, the linebacker, and
then one of the two if he takes an inside angle,
then the inside guy's gonna block him. If he tries
to scrape over the top, then the outside guy's gonna
get him. So there's too many times where early on
they're they're they're they're not seeing guys, they're not getting

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the timing of when they released the second level was
very poor. And then it's like they overcompensated because then
they said, Okay, we're not getting to our second level guys,
and then you start to see that they making they're
making problems for their selves because they're getting the second
level too fast and almost looks like man and man blocking. Well,
if you get man and man blocking, there's a reason

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why there's the zone blocking where you want to get
the initial double teams at the at the line of
scrimmage with the defensive linemen. So if you only have
one guy to block at the defensive line, then then
that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
There.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Another facet was I thought the Colts were very good,
and you know, at some point you run out of
bodies on those wide zone. The wide receiver he's got
to either block the corner or he's got to block
the safety. And depending on the hash and the formation
and the coverage, it can be different. But I thought
the Colts when when when the wide receiver go block
the safety the corner. Bam, he just triggered and fired,

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almost to the point where Seattle cult a call to
halfback pass. You know, if they have it in there
in their repertoire, because the the secondary is firing so
fast and they're they're absolving what's what's called primary support
and secondary support. Primary run support on an edge is
if you see the ball coming out, you just fire

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corner back. Uh, there has to be somebody who has
secondary run support where you say, wait a minute, you
don't get to fire until the ball passes the line
of scrimmage because you have to defend the halfback pass.
And so I thought the Colts their secondary on some
of those wide plays were triggering really really fast. Either
whoever wasn't blocked between the corner and the safety did
a good job. And you know, and then they try

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and run a power you know, a gap scheme they pull.
I don't know why they pull Anthony Bradford and go
power left. I would pull Gray's Abel and go power right.

Speaker 8 (54:10):
But that was a mess.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
So it just looked like, I don't know, it looked
like mini camp is what it looked like in terms
of just how they're handling fundamentals and give the Colts
some credit. As I described, I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (54:25):
I mean, I think credit is deserved to some degree
kind of across the board, the way in which they
came out and played decent defense to kind of try
to shut down some of the things that they weren't gonna.

Speaker 8 (54:36):
Let them be run all over.

Speaker 6 (54:37):
To me, there was a part of it where if
there was a disappointment, it would be that it almost
seemed like the play calling was We're okay with just
kind of eating up clock when we get it, and
if we have to pawn a few times, fine, If
we got to just settle for three, that's fine. Whereas
the idea to me would be after a quarter you

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kind of saw the cults going to be this, you know,
trying to you know, hit you with big plays. They
were just going to be trying to methodically move it
down there with a run game primarily and a couple
of third down conversions, and then the settle for three
majority of the time themselves. So I thought, why not
open it up a little bit, because if you just
scored one touchdown, it felt like you were going to

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be able to kind of run away with this thing.
Instead they went really conservative. It felt like to me,
did you see that or no?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Well, I think there was a number of times where
they were calling plays where they're trying to get downfield verticals,
whether it's like all goes or whether they're doing what's
called dagger concept where you're clearing out the inside and
trying to bring an any intermediate cut in from the
outside on a deep inbreaking route.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
There.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
They had those plays called.

Speaker 8 (55:47):
But I thought that.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Sam Darnold was really had to move early in the down.
I mean there was constant breakdowns, whether it was physical
breakdowns in the or in the community. Cation they didn't
get a block, you know, running backs, poor pass blocking,
uh aj Barner missing a past block. I mean they

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had They had a variety of breakdowns where Sam Darnold
was having to move off the spot. So I think
that there was an effort to try and open it
up more. I just think, uh, they didn't get the execution.
And you know, I don't talk about field position every week,
but I think it's worth mentioning guys this that the
Colts basically both teams had ten drives. If we if

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we if we exclude Seattle's when they got the interception
at the very end of the game, they took one
play to kneel down. Right, So if we exclude that,
then both teams had ten drives, and all ten of
those drives started with the opposing team kicking right. It

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was it was off the foot of the opposing teams
got me so when so the Seahawks all of their
offensive drives were either because they got a punt or
because they got a kickoff. And same thing with the Colts.
There was no turnovers and there was no four downs
loss of downs. Okay, so every drive started but from

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a kick. The worst start that the Colts had was
on their own twenty four yard line for the entire game. Worst,
Seattle had seven starts that were worse than the Colts
worse see the average. If you take away again that
kneel down, that one playe kneel down as the last
play of the game. If you take that away, the

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Colts average start was at their own thirty five yard line. Again,
all of those started as a result of a Seattle
either Dixon or Meyers kicking to them. Seattle's was the
twenty you say, well, okay, fifteen yard difference. No, that's
fifteen yards average per times ten. That's one hundred and

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fifty yards advantage that the Colts had in field position
over the course of the game, just in terms of
where they started. So I think that that played a
factor in, you know, in some of the the troubles
that Seattle had offensively.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Well, let's let's discuss that, because the first thing out
of your mouth when it just open ended, where does
your mind go about this game? Was settling for the
field goals. So when they had that offensive huddle, should
it have been the players taking Kubiak to task or
vice versa? What is breaking down for you that's forcing

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them to settle for these field goals that are frustrating.

Speaker 8 (58:38):
Well, they had the.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Six field goals and anytime you say, okay, okay, that's great,
six six field goals, no touchdowns. Now technically they were
they were over to in the red zone. That's why
I wanted to say the red zone fringe, which is
the forty inn And I hope you guys got that
in the last you know, the last five weeks that

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you know, they're at seventy percent of the time they
break through the opponent's forty they're going to kick a
field goal, which is by far.

Speaker 8 (59:08):
And away Number one.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
I just think that there's they don't have the protection
to get the ball down the field. And now there
was there was a couple of breakdowns. I think sam
Donold had a good game under the circumstances. But I've
got a couple of minuses on his sheet in the
second quarter. I'll tell you what and I'll get back

(59:31):
to your question about Kubiak addressing the team the final
drive of the second quarter where they got the field
goal right there, down thirteen to three. Did you feel
like that was a pivotal drive that they could get
the field goal and pulled the within touchdown. Didn't that
seem like that was important? The first play of that drive,

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number forty four. Look him up, the linebacker for the Colts.
He comes based on a miss communication with Seattle. He
comes untouched through the a gap. I mean literally not
even a finger. Nobody even knew. It was like he
was wearing an invisible suit. Nobody blocked him. And if
that's a on first down, if he takes a six

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seven eight yard sack there and it's and they don't
go down the field, I thought that was a hell
of a play by him, But Darnaire Franklin, by the way,
Franklin just somehow Sam Darnold made him miss. Somehow he
made a miss, and that might have been a three
point a very vital three point miss. But later in
that drive, the Colts were doing a coverage you just

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rarely see. They start looking like they're in a three
deep zone. And this is the defense that I like
into a baseball outfield and infield, all right, because there's
three deep in four hundred and if you can picture
four hundred in an infield and three three deep in
an outfield, of course you can. Well, that's that's what
cover three is. But the Colts were taking the safety

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and they were coming down. It would be like the
center fielder at the snap coming down to stand on
second base, and and the entire center field is wide open.
And when I first saw it, I got like, is
that a bust? Like was that supposed to rotate? Like
like that guy was coming down. It must be a
coverage called three buzz where he has the he plays

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the short stop, and then the and then the guy
who lines up at second base. He runs to center
field to carry out the baseball analogy. But there was
an opportunity where Rashi Chi he the corners outside leverage
when that safety comes down, Rashid Shihed had a post.
I'm telling you every NFL quarterback meeting room in the league,

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it's like, dude, the light ain't gonna get any greener.
You've got to crank that thing up and go for uh,
go for the touch and if you miss it, you
miss it. But you can't not throw that post down.
And then and then in the red zone when he
missed Rashi Shiheid it was a classic cover six, which
which means they roll over the top in the end

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zone on third down, they roll over the top of
JSN to Sam Donald's left, So that means the corners
in the flat, the safety's over the top. It's a
form of double double coverage high low double coverage within
his own concept. And Rashid Shiheed has free access, meaning
he's not getting jammed. He's got one on one with

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the corner. The tight end is Barner is eating up
the safety. So you got one on one and Donald
threw it well behind him and that's got to be
a touchdown. Now before I put it all on Donald,
if you go. If you go back and listen to
the podcast in August about things I was seeing at
training camp. I do not like a wide receivers to

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come up and then they have free access. So the
defense has decided not to roll on scheeheed. Let me
explain this play because this is there's a big part
of Seattle's offense to me that I think is worth
a minute to describe what has Sam Darnold's seen. He says, Okay,
I got cover six. They're rolling to my left on JSN.

(01:03:07):
The tight end is eating up to safety. I got
one on one, beautiful. This is exactly what we practiced
on Friday because Friday's red zone day and they would
have scripted the defense and that's the play that that's
the coverage they were looking for. This is the play
to beat that coverage. So Rasids see he comes out
what I would what I would want him to do

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is have his inside leg forward, go five steps, do
not slow down whatsoever. Put playing your outside leg and
break to the post. And that it is much easier
to time up. You don't slow your momentum down. It's
easier to throw routes on air. There's less inconsistency, which

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means more consistency. And yet the way the Seahawks teach
it is it comes down and he he like stutters
and he slows his momentum down and then he's got.

Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
A REAC eight.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
And just fifty years of playing, coaching and analyzing the position,
it's much harder to be on, you know, to have
cohesion when you teach that type of technique. I hate it,
and so Donald ends up throwing the ball high and
away looks it's a bad pass. I guarantee a pro

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football focus is gonna ding him on that, and I
am too, like it's got to be a touchdown. I
get it, but I wish that they didn't teach it
that way because it would give Donald a much better
chance to see things and to anticipate it. You do
it just like it plays out against the defense, just
like routes on air when you're throwing back in march,

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and you just tighten up the consistency. So at any event,
those are plays. You know, we're sitting here talking about
red zone, we're talking about kicking a lot of field goals,
and these are some of the details where you say
we got to be better because you got a super
Bowl winning defense. Yeah, you do not have a super

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like You're going to have to somehow hide a very
non super bowl offensive line. But the things, you know,
they're good. The people who touch the ball on offense,
that's a pretty damn good group, including Darnold, the running backs,
the wide receivers, get Tory Horton back. It's great to
see Shaheed.

Speaker 8 (01:05:21):
I like the tight end like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Things are pretty damn good in terms of the people
who touch the ball. But when they get opportunities like
I'm described, and they have to hit it. Because the
offensive line is the weakness of the football team and
everything even down to the special teams that I was
talking about, you know, starting field position, what the defense,
the offensive line impacts everybody. But you get an opportunity

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to make some of those plays, you got to hit them.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Monday Morning Quarterback with Hugh Mellan will continue on the
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three KJRFM for us.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
We just got to start faster as an offense.

Speaker 8 (01:05:58):
We got to finish in the red zone.

Speaker 10 (01:05:59):
It's I feel like it's becoming a theme now these
next few weeks, and we've got to get it figured out.
You know, I feel like our defense is playing really,
really good football, but we got to step it up
a little bit as an offense, you know, and that
starts with me.

Speaker 8 (01:06:10):
We gotta play better.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Sam Darnold after yesterday's eighteen to sixteen win, a game
in which the Seadoups won the game but did not
score a touchdown, and yeah, these slow starts. This is
now going on weeks of this stuff, and with the
Rams coming up, you're not going to be able to
afford to do that heading into Thursday's game. Mike Homer
and Hugh Millen with us Monday Morning Quarterback rolls on.

(01:06:32):
We were talking about it, the slow starts during the
break coach, and this goes all the way back to
Russell Wilson. So it's John Schneider's fault, isn't it. They're
getting off to these slow offensive starts. That's the only
thing I can conclude. It's the common denominator.

Speaker 11 (01:06:46):
Well, I think, and I know John very well, and
if I win in his office today, I tell him that, John,
what are you doing? Did you call that player?

Speaker 8 (01:06:56):
What do you think it is?

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
What's wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
You know what?

Speaker 11 (01:07:00):
I think they want to establish the run. That's the
first thing. And when if it's working, it works. It's
just like, see what's working. No one has a crystal
ball about that stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:07:11):
You think.

Speaker 11 (01:07:12):
You look at the defense, you say, are going to
start with this. I had my first fifteen plays, and
you thought through that a lot. To take some of
the emotion out of in the excitement out of the
play calling, because you could settle in and if it worked,
it should work because we worked hard on it, and
it worked most of the time, to be honest, so

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you get off to a start, but then you got
to call the game the rest of the way. But
if it's not working, you have to be real honest
about it and just say we're going to go and
have a plan B. And so if you're starting the
game slowly, you know, and that's okay against the opponent
you think, I don't know, we don't have to score
this much or against these guys. But you know, that's

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a mindset and I never thought much like that. It's
and everyone everyone's different. So Mike McDonald's defense, you've got
a great defense. No one's gonna score too much on them.
They haven't.

Speaker 8 (01:08:09):
Uh so maybe they.

Speaker 11 (01:08:11):
Can afford to be a little more conservative that way
early in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Mike, when you talk about pivoting away from what the
plan was, I don't think it's just well, we thought
we wanted to run the ball, but we can't, so
let's pass the ball more. Isn't there some more nuance
to that that, For example, you wanted to run outside
the stretch and and you're not getting the yards from

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the stretch, then you know, maybe you run a power
you know, what's called gap scheme, chucking buck where you're
pulling the backside guard. That's a different schematic.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
You know, I think maybe inside zone might have been
the better course. But but you're looking at that run
sheet and you're saying, Okay, I don't really like these runs,
but maybe these runs, let's let's take a crack at those.
Maybe maybe talk about that part of the process.

Speaker 11 (01:09:04):
Yeah, that's exactly what you have to do, you you know.
And I saw yesterday there was one play I remember
where they were pulling Bradford from right to left and
the defender just came in and chopped them down in
a big pile up and minus yards. And I'm going,
I'm not sure that's I probably might want to go

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the other way, you know, wave and have not Bradford pull,
but the other guard.

Speaker 8 (01:09:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:09:31):
Some things like that, you know, and so yeah, it's
it's but here. The other thing I would say is
play action pass, get underneath the center, have a couple
backs in there, use a full back and run out
of that. But also play action pass out of it.
To make the defense think about having to defend more things,

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not just we're gonna tee you off.

Speaker 8 (01:09:59):
This is what they do.

Speaker 11 (01:10:01):
And I thought I saw that yesterday. I thought Indianapolis
did that. They anticipated and and we're right many a
lot of the time. So mix it up, different formations,
different different throwing spots for the quarterback, get them thinking
a little bit on defense, and then do your thing.

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
Coach d you got a rematch coming up Division rival,
a lot of them on the on the table coming
up Thursday against the Rams. This is one where I
think you can give some great insight you being the
offensive mastermind that you were.

Speaker 8 (01:10:33):
It's similar to like.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
What McVeigh is in today's game, going against a guy
in Mike McDonald.

Speaker 8 (01:10:38):
It's a defensive guru.

Speaker 6 (01:10:39):
Uh in your in your opinion, where did that advantage
go when you know the team you're going against as
well as you know anybody because they're a division fo
it is the rematch that that year, and so you
have some stuff tape man on man type stuff to
go with. Did you always did you feel that that
was advantage offensive mind? Or did you feel that that
was advantage defensive mind?

Speaker 11 (01:11:01):
I thought it was always to our advantage as long
as we could take away or at least balance their strength.
I go back to when I was with the forty
nine ers and we played the New York Giants, great
football team, big rivalry at that time. Well, they had
Lawrence Taylor on the outside, they have you know, Banks
on the outside. But what bothered Joe Montana was pressure

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right up the middle and the ram and the Giants
knew that, and it wasn't the guys on the outside
as great as they were. And so the game plan
there was to make sure try and make sure they
didn't get as much pressure up front.

Speaker 8 (01:11:41):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (01:11:42):
The other thing is going against different secondary people. Okay,
you're going against Dion Sanders or whomever. You know, you
don't stop throwing like the Packers did against the Seahawks
one year. You're not going to throw to that side
because you know Richard Sherman's over there. You don't want
to do that, but you do want to take advantage
and move the people around. Move your people around. So

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understand where where the problems are, the big problems. There
might be more than more than a couple. But then
go with that play you know the coach to that
and have an answer for that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Bucky, Mike won't do this, but your Broncos. The apex
of Montana's career was that fifty five to ten super Bowl.
That's the highest he ever reached. That Bronco defense was
number one in the NFL fewest points allowed, number one
in the NFL fewest first downs, number one, fewest touchdown

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passes allowed. And that's how Montana carved it up with
Mike call in the place, so you know, you know,
but you know, because it's the Broncos, we just had
to make him mention that I don't know, you know
what was that final score?

Speaker 8 (01:12:52):
Again?

Speaker 11 (01:12:52):
Here maybe mentioned that, but that to your point, but
that's what happened in that game. Honestly, the safeties for Denver.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
At Water and I forget who the other one was,
Darren Smith.

Speaker 11 (01:13:03):
Yeah, they were good, really good, and they used them.
They used them to squeeze and come up. They were
very you know, they ran a two deep defense, and
he has talked about that many times, but they also
for safeties in that defense. Typically they're not in the
box that they don't come up that fast. Their job
is something else except endeavor. And so we thought, Okay,

(01:13:26):
we do this, they'll come up. They've done it all
season and been great at it. What is our answer
for that? And we came up with a couple of
things and it happened to work, and they let their
foot off the gas. Could have been a lot more. Well,
I do need to mention this though. I mean, we
have one more segment to go, but I don't know

(01:13:46):
if we'll get to it. I mean, you and I
probably would never like dine with a kicker. We probably
wouldn't even call them.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
By their first name, you know, right right just but
our kicker is absolutely on fire right now, and so
I think I should bring him up so we can
say a nice thing about Jason Myers right now.

Speaker 11 (01:14:09):
I'm glad you brought it up. Yeah, I'm really glad
because one of us has to.

Speaker 8 (01:14:12):
Talk about it.

Speaker 11 (01:14:14):
Yeah, I'll talk about you know, to have a kicker
that you can depend on and have that much confidence
in that you if you get into that area where
I need to gain five more yards or whatever with him,
it's amazing. But it also points to what's happened with

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the kicking balls and the kickoff return and you don't
have to gain a lot of offensive yards to get
into a position to attempt a field goal and be
realistic about making it. It's unbelievable when that kid kicked
the sixty and then Jason all six of his and
I think most of them were passed. Most of them
are over forty five yards long.

Speaker 8 (01:14:55):
I used to be a long field goal.

Speaker 11 (01:14:56):
Oh that used to be Yeah, real questionable. Yeah, now
a good kicker like him, Hey, it's nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Hey, Mike, during just to kind of humble him a
little bit during stretching or something, would you say, hey, Myers,
you know you still kick two kickoffs into the end
zone where and they got a touch back to the
thirty five. How about you, you know, tighten up your
game a little bit. Would you maybe uh busses balls
in a fun way that way, because because you know,

(01:15:24):
if there was a flaw to it. You know, he
he's better than that and can't have that against the Rams.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah, you know what.

Speaker 11 (01:15:32):
To be honest, my strategy with the you know, I
told you what I used to tell him. One thing
I tell him, you know, have a good one. Kick
it between the uprights, Try and kick it between the
up end, and stay away from my daughters. I don't
want my daughter marrying and a kicker.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
All right, Well, close close out with one last thing.
Next Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ R f M.
Think I just came up with the solution by the
way to the kicking at the end of games. Bucky,
we're talking during the break. Bucky's like, well, they get
to take care of their kicking balls, so yeah, so carefully,

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so meticulous. Yeah, they polished their balls. What if the
other team took care of their balls, then they had
to use the one the other.

Speaker 8 (01:16:18):
Team took care of. That's a great idea.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Oh yeah, the other team stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:16:22):
Yeah, I could see him scuffed up. You get it
and look at it and there might be a lump
your you know, it's a great idea. It didn't even
look like that's what you had to kick the game
winner with who gave me this watermelon.

Speaker 8 (01:16:33):
Yeah, they'd be like, this is a beach ball. It's
not even a football's idea.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
It's our Monday morning quarterback session. We got Hugh here,
we got Coach here, we got one more segment. So
one more thing for coach.

Speaker 8 (01:16:46):
What do you got Bucky? Coming up?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Big game?

Speaker 8 (01:16:48):
Obviously?

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
Is this a game that the week leading up to
you you tell because I mean, I just don't think
you can be conservative against one of the more potent
offenses in the Rams, and who knows how healthy they're
going to be. But is this one where all week
you tell your quarterback, hey, we're letting it rip, because
I think there is times there's certain games during a
certain season against certain opponents where you have to throw

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caution out the window a little bit. You make smart choices.
You don't want four interceptions, obviously, But is this one
where you're leading into this game your quarterback you're like,
this is going to be your best game of the season.

Speaker 8 (01:17:22):
One of those Yeah, you kind of talk to the quarterback.

Speaker 11 (01:17:25):
I don't think you talked to the whole team that
way necessarily, but you are going to get your quarterback
ready for maybe a different style a different way we're
going to approach this now. Having said that, you know,
the Rams the first game, I forget, the score was
low scoring, wasn't it the first.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Game twenty one nineteen.

Speaker 11 (01:17:42):
Yeah, it was kind of low scoring, and both teams
played good defense. And the Rams have a good defense
and good pressure up front. So it's not that much different,
I don't think than how you prepare for every game, Buck,
but it's a little different, and you talk to the
quarterback that way. He has to know who he's going against,
and the Rams present more problems than the last few

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teams they've played.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Certainly here, what do you got, Well, I just have
a thought about Sam Donald, Mike, and we're gonna hear,
you know, certainly the national people on the telecast, they're
going to talk about Sam Donald and how he had
a great year last year, but at the end of
the season against the Lions and then in the playoff

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game against the Rams, he didn't play so well, and
they're going to ignore that. You know, during this season,
as the Vikings won fourteen games, you know, he had
two wins against Green Bay, you know, second to last
game of the season, for example, three hundred and seventy
seven yards, seventy seven percent complete, one hundred and sixteen
passer rating the game against Seattle, the other game against

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Green Bay, and what have you. And in that playoff
game against the Rams. There have been thirty eight quarterbacks
this decade who have started a playoff game and lost,
and the average pressures on the quarterback is fifteen. Mahomes
in the Super Bowl last year when he was awful

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against the pressure from the Eagles, he had seventeen in
that Super Bowl last year, Donald against the Rams, far
and away of all those quarterbacks, thirty eight twenty seven
pressures he was under from that Ramedy. That was an
entire ram onslaught against against Sam Donald and Mike. Here's

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a list of quarterbacks who have a worse passer rating
on average when they lose the game. Does this sound
like an impressive list of quarterback this decade? Pat Mahomes,
Tom Brady, Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, Jayden Daniels, Dak Prescott,
Drew Brees. All of those guys performed worse in their
losses at least by that measurement than Sam Darnald. I

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think Donald's getting a bad rap on this. Usually, if
you lose a playoff game, your quarterback probably played poorly,
or that people around him caused the quarterback to play poorly.
So I think he's getting a bad rap mic. I
don't know what your response is on that, but I
think there's some numbers to crystallize it.

Speaker 11 (01:20:10):
Yeah, I would say this, and I've said it from
day one that I'm in I'm in his corner. I
think he's played well. You know, everyone will talk about
that for interception game, but you know he has played well.
And Sam Donald, if they should not make it, Sam
Donald will not be the reason why. It'll be some

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something else. And you talked about pressures, and that's that
says it all to me. You know, there who's got
to Everyone has to play up their game. Every facet
of the football team has to up their game.

Speaker 8 (01:20:44):
It will not be his fault.

Speaker 11 (01:20:46):
He'll he'll get him there, and if he doesn't get
him there, we can look elsewhere.

Speaker 8 (01:20:51):
It's not gonna be him.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Yeah, I agree with that one hundred percent. I'll tell
you one thing that won't get in his path, the
Kansas City Chiefs. So my one last thing is Patrick
Mahomes injured season over. What do you think about the
Kansas City Chiefs is the dynasty over coach.

Speaker 11 (01:21:11):
They're gonna have to retool, some retooling absolutely next year.
I mean they're talking about Kelsey this being his last year.
Pat now Mahomes won't be able to play this year
and he came. It's a pretty serious injury. So when
he'll come back, we'll wait and see. I hope, hope
he comes back as soon as possible.

Speaker 8 (01:21:29):
But Andy has some work to do.

Speaker 11 (01:21:30):
And you know, you saw it this year and really
the year before when they won the Super Bowl. I
think he won eleven one score games, so it was
really close. And they've had a run of ten years
of winning the division and which is remarkable and so
but it happens. It happens to everybody, and then all

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of a sudden, if you lose your quarterback or if
you lose and key players, you have to retool. And
I think they have to be really serious about doing
that this offseason.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Do you think Andy would consider just saying, Okay, I'm
gonna I'm gonna turn it over to Nagel or whomever
a younger buck and and and not out or would
would that like hurt his pride? That wait, you know
the one year Patrick tears his knee up, then I'm
gonna bail on the team. Like, where where do you
think his mindset is? He's certainly at an age where

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nobody would think twice if he if he called it,
you know, if you retired on a great career. But
where do you think he what do you think he's thinking?

Speaker 11 (01:22:31):
You know, I I asked him that when he came
on the radio show with me once, and he's loving
he loves football. Football is such a big part of
his life. And uh, he says his health is good,
and uh, I don't see it, Hugh. I think he's
gonna stick with it. And if he were about out,

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I'd be very surprised because he's looking at I think
I believe knowing him, he's looking at this as the
challenge of Okay, where we slumped a little bit here,
Now I got to get it back going again. And
he said he wants to. He just signed a new
deal for a pretty big contract and that won't be

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the absolute driving force, but he's got the quarterback's Patrick
come back after his injury. I don't see him going No,
I don't see him stepping away. I think Mahomes is
just at the halfway point.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
I think that was just the end of the first
half of Patrick Mahomes' career yesterday, and I think he's
got ten more years, and who knows what they could
do on that side. I'll just ask you in our
last minute here, Josh Allen, doesn't that can't city in
his way this year?

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
I mean, he's got to get it done this year,
doesn't he? Yeah, I went to the Super Bowl this year.

Speaker 11 (01:23:47):
Well, I you know, I picked Buffalo in the beginning,
and then all of a sudden they played a little
stretch there of games. I'm going, gee, there's a reason
I don't gamble. There is a reason I don't gamble.
But now all of a sudden, he's their fun to watch.
He's fun to watch, boy, is he? He's very talented guy.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
You thank you this year? I certainly hope so if
it's not gonna be Seattle, obviously, but but the Bills
would be my second choice. I think Buffalo Bethalo, and
the city has never had a parade. They've like the Braves,
the Sabers, the Bills. Now they won an AFL title,

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but that was in an era when the NFL was
clearly the superior, so they've never had a major championship parade.
I think their fans deserve it. But Josh Allen, He's
in my top three favorite quarterbacks I've ever seen in
my life. I love I love his style, I love
his competitiveness, I love his humility, his leadership. I just

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love everything about him. I mean, he's quarterback porn for me.
Sorry Mike, but Chuck knows I go there from time
to time. But I can't take my eyes off that dude.
I just love his game and and you know, but
but I think Mike Sean McDermott, I don't know I
used to be I have I have really waned in
my assessment of him. I mean, even like, how do

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you not how do you not challenge that play? Like
like like you know, Raybo's boom, he's challenging, you know,
and and and McDermott's just is like like the little
things and the defense just never seems to support him,
you know. The receiver corps is just vastly you know, incomplete.
I think that that that on some level Josh Allen

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could almost suit for malpractice, that some of the things
that's happening around him. What do you think of Sean McDermott.

Speaker 11 (01:25:41):
Well, you know what, I like Sean McDermott, but I'm
not I'm not gonna comment on that. What I'm gonna
comment on is having a parade in Buffalo in February.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Okay, they would do it.

Speaker 11 (01:25:53):
We won the we won the Super Bowl in Green Bay,
and we had the parade and I lost one of
my players on the bus from hypothermia. We had to
put jackets on him, and sure true. And because it
was an open air bus and everyone thought that was
a good idea, and they didn't bring us our jackets

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at the airport when we got off. So we were
supposed to do one last thing at the city center.
I told the bus driver drive the stadium. We were
supposed to, don't drive to the stadium. And we reared
off and went to the stadium. Oh rough, it's hard, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Thank you very much. Great stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:26:29):
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thanks to Mike Holgrin and Hugh Millan. We'll do it
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