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Let's for you, God, oh my gosh, what a game.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Unbelievable. Good morning to you, Happy Friday. It is Chuck
a Buck in the morning Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. We are assembled to provide for you four
straight hours of analysis of one of the most incredible
football games any of us have ever witnessed. Thirty eight
to thirty seven. The Seahawks win in overtime over the

(01:30):
Los Angeles Rams. They were calling it from coast to
coast the game of the year going into the contest.
I would say that it lived up to its hype.
Just kind of an unbelievable experience. I mean, there were
moments that could not be believed from beginning to end
in this contest. And I'm telling you I know that

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four hours to a lot of sports talk show host
across America. They really nearly is daunting to them. Gotta
fill four hours, gotta fill four hours just talking about sports.
How am I going to do that today? We could
go for forty four hours here today. There's no way
to get everything in that took place yesterday, but we're

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you all. Ashley Ryan is here, former Mariner Bucky Jacobson.
My name is Chuck Powell. We've got a cast of

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thousands or three that are gonna join us as our
experts throughout the course of our four hours together. But
my goodness, what an entertaining evening. And it turned out
just right, just the way that it was supposed to
go Seahawks with a win thirty eight to thirty seven
over the Los Angeles Rams. Are you not entertained, Bucky?

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:54):
I don't know how you could not be entertained that
that is a guarantee. I mean, that definitely the best
game I've seen in a long time, and I can't
imagine a game that has more on the line. I mean,
I suppose than a Week eighteen where you're win and
you're in, and you're losing.

Speaker 6 (03:08):
You're out.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
But this one the idea of a number one seed, yeah,
I mean, typically if you're in that eighteenth week or
whatever and it's it's win and get in, you're not
also maybe going to get the number one seed or
be out.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
That's not usually the way it works.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
So this one has some big marbles on the table
and for it to live up to expectations and then
some I mean the back and forth way in which
it went definitely down the stretch was I mean, it
was crazy. That place was insane. I'm sure it sounded
like it was insane on TV. And just the way
in which that went down, I mean, the biggest comeback

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in Seahawks' franchise history is.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, in a moment, Yeah, on that stage with all
that on the table. Yeah, incredible.

Speaker 7 (03:50):
Yeah, it was a big enough deal. In the fourth
quarter that Palmer finally put down her iPad.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
It it was like, I think I need to watch
this game.

Speaker 7 (03:59):
I was like, oh, you've welcome to the world. I'm
just over here losing my you know what, all alone.
And then she was like oh, and then she just
couldn't sit still. She was pacing, she was screaming. We
were jumping up and down. I mean, you would have
thought we won the Super Bowl if you were outside
our house and heard how loud just the two of
us were.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think that your neighbors probably didn't notice it because
they were likely celebrating just as crazily. Probably it was
just an insane game, and certainly it did look lost
at one point in the contest, There's no question about it.
I'm not sure that Alan Kirk should have started folding
up the tent and started previewing what the Rams playoff

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schedule is going to look like. I'm not sure. Maybe
that was a little premature, but it certainly was a case.
I mean, I spoke about this since the Seahawks lost
to the Rams twenty one to nineteen. I thought that
the Seahawks outplayed them and the Rams won the game.
We're even now because Staffords River four hundred and fifty

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seven yards. Buka Nikoua was unstoppable and Yet even though
the Seahawks statistically just got outplayed, they're the ones that
ended up making the key pivotal plays down the stretch,
including three two point conversions that were converted and eventually

(05:23):
the game winner to Eric Saubert in overtime to win
at thirty eight to thirty seven. But you know what,
you know, even up, even up at this point, and
you lost a game at Carolina, So nanny, nanny booboo.
We're in first place right now and we control our
fate going forward as we pull off the win last night.

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But certainly there was there. I mean, I wrote down
at the halftime part of the game, I wrote down, Man,
I can't believe we're getting dominated upfront. I just didn't
think that the Seahawks defense could ever get dominated upfront,
and the Rams were just bullsh last night. At the
beginning of the game, Matt Stafford had one hundred and

(06:05):
thirty passing yards the last time total that he faced
Mike McDonald. He had one hundred and twenty three in
the first quarter. So where were those adjustments? They did
eventually take place. The defense did step up in the
second half at some point, but still not to the
tune of kind of stemy ing Stafford like you did
in the Rams win the previous time. There was a

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moment where and it was in the fourth quarter, a
second interception where I did have to write down, gosh am,
I gonna have to admit tomorrow that maybe the Rams
have Sam Darnold's number. I mean, a sample size of
three games seems awfully small for this to have been
a national narrative all week long. But man, that's a

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lot of interceptions against one team over the course of
three games. So even wrote that down at one point.
But the game turned on Rashid Shaheed's punt return. It
changed the higher momentum, changed the entire complexion of the game,
and eventually that spark led to the Seahawks pulling off

(07:08):
I wouldn't say an impossible comeback, but certainly an improbable one.

Speaker 6 (07:12):
Well, one they'd never done before, right, what was it?

Speaker 5 (07:15):
One zero in one seventy two and trailing in the
fourth quarter by fifteen points or more. I mean, you
just that basically says they've never had done that before,
and so it's not impossible. We witnessed that last night.
That's what I love about sports is that there is
a chance that you could see something that they have
that team or a team no one has ever done

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before on any given night. It didn't look like it
was going to go that way. I mean that when
Darnald threw that interception, And that's probably the thing I
would be happiest most about is Sam Darnald not having
to answer the questions had he thrown another pick. I mean,
he not only did not throw a pick when he
needed to down the stretch to drive down there and
get that touchdown in overtime and the two point conversion

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to get that monkey off his back, but had he
thrown another pick in that situation, I mean, the conversation
that would be going around right now, Oh Jesus horrible and.

Speaker 7 (08:10):
No, and it would have been we've got the wrong guy.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
Yeah, it would have been.

Speaker 8 (08:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:14):
I mean, you look at Twitter.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
I didn't look at it all during the game, but
afterwards I ended up looking through there, and you see
people that were tweeting, you know, an hour before the
game was over, and it's like, you know, what, screw it,
go get to you know, San Darnold, guy's garbage. It's like,
so there was a lot of the negative stuff and
understandably so because they were absolutely dominant.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
I mean, the Rams were dominant at moving the ball.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
They they turned over the ball on downs their first
possession and then scored on the next six possessions. And
and yeah, the defense bowed up on a couple of
and for some field goals that got kind of helped
out with a penalty on the one that was a
touchdown taken back, and then they kicked the field goal
their second possession. But for the most part, it was
they were moving the ball up and down, passing and running,

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doing doing whatever they wanted. They were moving the ball
on that defense, which we haven't seen anybody do, including
the Rams the first time that they played. And so
they did enough when they needed to. And for you know,
kudo's hat, tip of the hat to Sam Donald to
throw those interceptions some bad ones down when you have
points on the board, you're down, getting ready to punch
it in and you throw it right to that defensive

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lineman on that one. There was times where you would
think a guy maybe starts to feel like, man, maybe
these guys have my number. It doesn't matter how many
people in the stadium or watching the game thought maybe
the Rams have his number. He didn't think the Rams
have his number. He's like, that's all right if I
get another chance. And that dime he threw to was
a Cooper cup, that one that is one of the

(09:42):
better throws.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
One jsn as well over on the sideline, which was impossible.
And I think that's been the signature of Sam Donald
since he's put on this Seahawk uniform. All Right, he's
committed a lot of turnovers, but he really hasn't changed
the way he played for the first time. As I'm
writing down that note, Ashley, I'm sitting here thinking, oh, man,

(10:04):
what is this going to do to Sam? Do I
really have to admit that might maybe he has a
RAM issue? And yet down the stretch despite the two
bad interceptions, you know, maybe maybe he got jarred by
the failures in the game last night. But man, when
it mattered most, he stepped up and he ends up
throwing the game winning score. So I think that narrative

(10:28):
just ran a muck for weeks now. I even had
to hear it this morning on the drive end, still
doubting him because he still hasn't won a playoff game.
So I mean, this is.

Speaker 7 (10:41):
He's played in one playoff game and he lost it.
He can't just the people can't just keep it's one
playoff game.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Well, I mean people are certainly nationally and maybe even
local fans that if you turned on him that quickly.
There was way too much booing last night, by the way,
for a team that went into that game eleven and
three when they were supposed to win eight and a
half games this year. But Sam Donald, you know, yes,
he was not very good in the first half of
his career, but Hugh Millan's done an excellent job all

(11:08):
season long illustrating this isn't the same Sam Donald. Guys
can change, Guys can become different quarterbacks through different experiences,
and sometimes the light bulb goes on later in certain guys' careers.
Rich Gannon's a perfect example of that one an MVP
after being a career backup, and maybe and that seems

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to have happened to Sam Darnold. He's unlike ninety percent
of his games in the last two years, and you
can't hold his early failures against this version of Sam Donald.
This Sam Donald has way too much of a small
sample size and big game opportunities to be judged that way.
But certainly I did have to like give rise to

(11:48):
the consideration when he threw the second interception in a
really pivotal moment, as Bucky pointed out, And yet he
ends up pulling it out. And so hopefully we can
back off of this narrative. And uh, he still asked
to win a playoff game. He's still asked to end
up wrapping up the division. But certainly Sam Donald stepped
up when you absolutely had to have him last night

(12:11):
and got you to win.

Speaker 7 (12:12):
Yeah, And that is the thing that that second interception
I also thought. I was like, oh gosh, please Sam not,
please don't do this because I really wanted him to
have a good game. I wanted him to recover from
the four interceptions. I mean, Kurt j.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Platt didn't see that guy, No he didn't. He did
not expect.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
And yeah, they were baiting him to throw it where
he was good. Yeah, he fell for it. And that
was a good job on the Rams. I mean that
should be kudos to the Rams. Yep, on that play.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
That's a Mike McDonald thing. That's the thing Mike McDonald would.

Speaker 7 (12:41):
Yeah, it is, it is. And but as I kept
thinking that whole second half of the game. Here he
goes again, because he is not just like you said,
he was not afraid, he was not backing down. He
was not going to let any mistakes cloud his judgment
for how he needed to play in order for us
to even have a chance to win that game. And

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he stepped up. And it wasn't just him. I mean,
we came out and we started quick. That was I mean,
to score a touchdown on our first possession. I was like, WHOA,
where's this been?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
This is magical Walker's best game of the year. Yeah,
it was awesome. Don't know why he only had eleven
carries in it. Yeah, don't know why I only had
fourteen touches the way he was running last night. But
he played his best game. And look, I mean there
were a lot of things that changed there in the
second half, Like defensively. Herbstreet pointed it out, and he

(13:32):
pointed it out at the exact moment that I did.
As much energy that went into this game and as
much hype that went into this game, the Seahawks really defensively,
I didn't feel started playing like rabid dogs until they
absolutely had to, until they were backed into the corner,
and Herbstreet pointed it out. I thought at the exact
time that he should have, like, this intensity has changed.

(13:55):
It's changed with the fans, yep, in the side the building,
and it's changed on the defensive side of the football.
And they were they were getting pushed around for most
of the game. And when it's as if when they
lost all of the members of their secondary and I
can't even believe how many injuries that we suffered and
still somehow and the secondary and somehow pulled off that win.

(14:17):
But it's as if when they realized, man, we can't
lose one more guy and those guys need our help,
that they took it to another gear. Yeah, it felt
to me like one of the most intense front sevens
in the National Football League all season long needed to
absolutely be backed into the corner to raise their game

(14:39):
to the level that was necessary to somehow slow down Stafford,
get pressure on him and give yourself a chance, give
Sam a chance to bring the offense back and win
this game. And it happened just in the nick of time.
The intensity definitely ratcheted up on the defensive side.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
Well yeah, I mean when they end up you know,
when the went down and made it thirty to fourteen.
That's when most people, including most Seahawk fans, thought the
game was over, and understandably so, there was no there
was nothing in sight that looked like you were going
to be able to stop them, let alone be able
to just get you know, sixteen points to tie that.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
Thing up in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
And you know, I mean, you hadn't scored you know,
that many points in the three quarters leading up to that,
or three and a half quarters leading up to that,
So it did feel like, Okay, this is kind of
all for not like you just didn't show up in
the biggest game of the season. And yet the part
of the team that has been the identity of the
team is the defense and the defense. Finally, I think

(15:40):
it was Ernest Jones said afterwards and his little thing
like what happened to you guys? And he goes, oh,
they started laughing in our face. They thought this s
was over, yep, And they don't know that we were
going to play till the end. Now, you sometimes don't
get to play three and a half quarters of getting
dominated by a team that I mean, their offense just

(16:00):
flat out dominated our defense yesterday. And yet if you
can find a way. I don't want to say. I
don't think that that McVeigh or Stafford put their feet
up on the desk and just stopped trying.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
You know.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
They I think they understood, like, let's all right, we're
putting it on them, let's finish this whole thing. But
the defense did step up. They said, well, we got
to do our job. We we better start doing our
job now or we've got no chance. We give up
any more points. At this point in time, it almost
makes it insurmountable. And so they did, to the degree
of basically holding them to that long ish field goal

(16:35):
that they ended up missing.

Speaker 6 (16:36):
And that was it again.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
It was after that that punt return, it was like
the momentum shifted, the defense kicked into gear. They did enough,
start playing better, Yeah, Sharper, they did enough, and the.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Receivers started making ridiculous catches.

Speaker 8 (16:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
I mean, it just kind of all came together.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
That catch, that Cooper Cup catch that then was a fumble,
was a ridiculous catch. I mean, the pass was great,
the catch was great, and it was It's like when
he fumbled out, I thought, oh my god, no, we
had such a chance at that moment to really see
the momentum going into halftime.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
You know, I think that's a great point, and I
want to I'll point it out now in case it
doesn't come back up, because and it probably will, let's
face it. But I mean, it said all day yesterday,
you just can't lose the turnover battle by three or more. Yeah,
they lost the turnover battle by three or more. And
not only did they lose the turnover battle by three

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or more and ended up winning the game, those three
turnovers could not have come at worse times.

Speaker 7 (17:33):
Worst, I mean the worst times.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yes, I mean it's like you look like all three
times you had seized the momentum.

Speaker 7 (17:39):
Yep, and you were moving the ball, well, moving.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
The ball, getting ready to score and despite the rams
kind of shoving it down your throat for the first half,
it looked like three different times you had overcome that
for reversing it. Okay, here we go, You're getting ready
to score. And then not only do you commit the
three turnovers and they didn't commit any you just committed
them at the worst possible times, and the cup fumble

(18:05):
is included in that. So for you to overcome all
of that and somehow win the game, you probably did
have to have a special teams a special special teams play,
and you probably did need a bounce of the ball
here every once in a while. But yeah, I think
Bucky's right that once that momentum was officially seized, because

(18:25):
I wrote it down after the Rashid punt return and
then the stoppage, they got the ball back and we stopped,
and then I wrote down the top of my sheet,
chance to tie all the momentum in the world. And
when you got that ball back, it's it's like everything
got better. Defense got more intense, Sam Darnold got sharper,

(18:46):
playmakers were making plays, and certainly, you know, you benefited
a little bit from the bounce of the ball, which
you probably needed to have happened for you as well
to overcome a sixteen point deficit against a potentially great
team in the fourth quarter. And we're going to get
into that bounce of the ball because it's going to
be a big topic of conversation. We got to talk

(19:07):
about the two point tries here today, and especially the
one that has caused the most conversation and maybe even controversy.
So we'll talk about that in our next segment. But
let's find out what's on tap for the entire show today?
What's on TEP?

Speaker 6 (19:25):
What's untech all right?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Seahawks thirty seven Ram or thirty eight Rams thirty seven
in overtime, Most incredible game of the year. The Seahawks
improved a twelve and three. They do take over first
place in the NFC West. They are in control of
getting the one seed now and home field advantage throughout
the NFC playoffs, which is a monstrous advantage always has been,

(19:47):
even more so now that fourteen teams make the playoffs.
They'll play at Carolina next week and at San Francisco,
so it's you know, the Hayes not in the barn.
There's still a lot of work to be done. The
Los ange Angelus Rams will play at Atlanta next week
and they'll be taking on Arizona in the final week,
so they have an easier schedule the rest of the way.

(20:07):
Pooka Nikua, who caused all sorts of headlines going in
to the game last night forty eight hours before, caused
more last night. He tweeted immediately after the game, See
I told you the rest do things intentionally to help
teams win games, something to that effect. It's not word
for word, but they couldn't even get it erased before

(20:30):
it turned into a story.

Speaker 7 (20:32):
It's everywhere.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I mean, it got to be a story before Sean
McVay could even make his way to the podium. He
didn't even know about it and got blindsided with it
from reporters who didn't ask about blowing a sixteen point lead.
Their first six questions were about Poka Nakua and McVeigh
nearly lost his mind. We'll talk about that coming up
here in a little bit. Humel it'll be with us
at eight. Mike holm'er gonna be with us at nine,

(20:54):
Greg Bell will be with us at seven. O five
should also mention it is a college football playoffs starting
tonight Bama at Oklahoma, and an entire weekend of NFL
and college football action. And finally, Cracking did lose again
last night to the Calgary Flames, four to two. They
lost ten out of eleven games, all right, so pretty

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much the entire show today is going to be about
this incredible game coming up. On the other side, we'll
hear of some audio, we'll hear from Ernest Jones, We're
going to hear from Sean McVeigh and we'll talk about
those two point tries. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 9 (21:29):
Thirty seven thirty six rams.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
With a one point lead, you're in.

Speaker 9 (21:34):
Overtime for the topspots in the NFC. West on the
line and the inside track to the one seed in
the NFC. All comes down to display. Tonight's in Seattle.
Here we go, the Seahawks going for two. Donald's standing
on the left, Hash takes the shot done, snap three
cent Crop looking looking.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Fired on the mouth, shots bias, Tonnan, Eric Summers the
god that no one.

Speaker 9 (22:02):
Expected, and the Seahawks walk it off and.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Sort at the top of the NFCUS with the thirty
eight thirty.

Speaker 9 (22:12):
Seven over Ton woinds and I hear and see at on.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Wow good call. Yeah, I've got you do a great
job on that call. Kate Scott can't help but be
Doc Brown when I say her name, Kate Scott.

Speaker 7 (22:30):
Now I'm picturing him.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Hair's all crazy Westwood one. What a game, unbelievable. I
you know, I wrote down my game notes and then
every time we do a Monday morning quarterback, and we'll
do that today with you, for with you and coach.
Then I do notes like topics that we should discuss.
I have eight pages of nothing but eighty eight topics

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that we could discuss, and that's just flying through it.
I'm sure I could go deeper, eighty eight different topics
that we could discuss with Greg, Coach and Hugh on
today's edition a Monday Morning Quarterback. That's how loaded that
game was last night. A huge win for the Seahawks,
come from behind, not impossible, but surely improbable, recovering from

(23:18):
a sixteen point fourth quarter deficit to win in overtime
thirty eight to thirty seven and seize control of the
NFC West and most likely the number one seed in
the NFC Playoffs. Still a lot of work to be done, though,
and we certainly will discuss that coming up in our
last three hours of the show here today. Carolina and

(23:40):
San Francisco the next two opponents, but last night thirty
eight thirty seven overtime winners. Let's take a look at
the Frostbrewed Corps Light Choose Chill headlines here on a
football Friday, the NFL Week number sixteen. We get to
watch now stress free this weekend. Of course, that was
hardly the case last night, but Saturday football Philadelphia at Washington,

(24:02):
Green Bay at Chicago. So NFL Saturday football starts, and
then of course Sundays lineup. You got Tampa Bay at Carolina.
Perhaps for the Division there you've got Pittsburgh at Detroit
in the afternoon, along with Jacksonville and Denver, and then
the Sunday night game will be the Patriots at the
Baltimore Ravens. College football playoffs starts this weekend tonight, Bama

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at Oklahoma gets it going, and then three games on Saturday.
Strangely enough, the best of the three is the early
game at nine am. I would have thought they would
have put that in primetime. Maybe they're just trying to
avoid going up against the National Football League. But Miami
and Texas A and M will kick off at nine
am tomorrow, or as they say, down at Texas A

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and M nine A and M. Thank you, thank you
for laughing at that. Really bad.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
It was really bad, but that's why it was really funny.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Crack and lose their tenth of eleven games in Calgary
last night. Four to two was the final score. All right,
I know, let's talk about these eighty eight topics with
Greg Bell right now.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
With the Bell tolls.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
It must be seven o'clock and time for twelfth Man
News with Greg Bell. Brought to you by Copola Diamond
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Now with twelf Man News, here's Greg Bell with Chuck
and Bud.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
How about that, Greg Bell? How about that? Now that's
not your run of the middle game you've covered in
your career, right there?

Speaker 8 (25:35):
No good morning. I was coming up from the press
bucks late last night and Ethan mcreynold's younger reporter for
Box thirteen here in Seattle, he asked me where that
ranked of all the games I've covered, as far as
just how crazy it was and expected turning and them winning.
And the first thing I could think of was the

(25:57):
two thousand and January twenty fifteen see title game when
they were down sixteen to nothing, down sixteen points, But
that was in the third quarter against the Green Bay Packers,
and then I'm going to overtime and winning it. There
were a lot of parallels to that, but that comeback
began in the third quarter and it was sixteen to
nothing at the time. Of course, Russell Wilson, the Jermaine

(26:19):
Curse and overtime they sent him to the Super Bowl.
It was the Patriots, and then the Patriots Super Bowl
down in Glendale, super Bowl forty nine. Probably, we'll put
it this way. I probably wrote the second because I
write a running game story that I have to file
as soon as the game ends, and my goal is
to have it on the internet five minutes after the
final whistle. I did that again last night, running it right,

(26:43):
so you run the right to the game story as
the game is happening. That was probably the second worst
game story in my career yesterday. The first one was
the Seahawks Patriots Super Bowl and how crazy that ended.
It was last night was largely inexplicable. But Chuck, I

(27:03):
would I would submit to you that this is an
example of what Mike McDonald's been building for two seasons.
The chasing edges, the intangibles, the one hundred percent participation
in voluntary OTAs back in the spring, the brotherhood that
they have. People say, why do you write about them?
Shadow boxing as it did in the Riley Mills stores.

(27:23):
The lead to Ridley Mills story last week because all
that stuff, the intangibles, the brotherhood, the tightness they're relying
on each other, the belief, the connectedness. That stuff matters.
If they didn't it didn't matter, then they wouldn't stend
ma Donal wonldn't spend time chasing edges. But those are
the last night was a chasing edges gaming. You need

(27:48):
those things in your favor for a game. I got
to go your way. It just doesn't happen. There has
to be some root cause for them to still have
belief for Sam Donald to be pretty much unshakeable. My
binoculars on him after both interceptions, he didn't change at all.
He did change down in Inglewood in four interceptions last month,

(28:09):
he slammed his helmet on the top of the bench.
Is the only time I've seen really any emotion on
the field with him at all. After his third interception,
he slammed helmet on top of the bench. But that
was it. And last night the guys A Lucas and
others were talking about he did not change at all
and they were looking at him after that second interception.
Down three to fourteen and nine minutes left me through

(28:31):
the interceptions red and unflappable. The same, and there's something
validating to the team when their leader, the guy who
has the ball and everyone making the decisions, looks unfazed
by the worst that just happened, and that mattered in
the end that Donald came back and brushed off of

(28:53):
that if he had not thrown two interceptions. So my
point is the tangibles matter, and the edges do matter.
That's why Mike chase them so much. I can't really
explain why else they would win that game last night
other than that.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
Yeah, there was a lot of things that they had
to chase to find a way to.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
Win that one, and yet they did. And I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
I think Sam Darnold rising to the occasion in spite
of a couple of bad throws was probably one of
the more important things for this team moving forward, because
we know what we'd be talking about had he done
it one more time, and you know, instead of instead
of converting and getting that thing, getting the job done defensively, yeah,

(29:37):
you end up winning. I think that the idea our
take on this show, or at least Chucks and I agreed.
After the first meeting, was felt like the Seahawks might
outplayed the Rams and yet they didn't win. This one
felt like the Rams most certainly outplayed the Seahawks, at
least for the first three and a half quarters or so.
I think it was nine minutes and thirty nine seconds left.

(29:59):
Was after they'd went up thirty to fourteen. He throws
that interception. I think pretty much everybody's like, well, this
was an embarrassing performance, and yet they forced I think
five punts the rest of They missed the field going one,
but they forced them to punt I think four more
times in the rest of regulation. So what switched is
It can't just be that they read something on a
board or were talked about chasing edge.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
Just something changed defensively.

Speaker 8 (30:24):
I asked Ernest Jones that very question. I said, well,
how did you get three three and outs in a
row against a team that ran up five hundred and
eighty one yards on you. Their quarterback ran for three
for fourth seventy nine, Kuka and Akou went for two
twenty five receivements, the most in eight years against Well
changed in those three drives, because you're right, without those

(30:44):
three drives, the game's over. If the Rams go down
and score any points at that point in the fourth quarter.
With nine minutes left, the sixteen point game becomes a
three score game. And I actually had to side early
in the fourth quarter when the Rams scored to make
it third or fourteen. Sean McVay might not go for
two there to make it thirty one fourteen to make
it a three score game. It went through my head.

(31:06):
I bet it went through his. But they were so
dominant at that point he probably thought they didn't need it.
The three scored, sixteen point three score game didn't matter,
but it did. And Ernest Jones said that they were
miscommunicating on deep passes over the middle. There was a
grand canyon chasm between Ernest Jones and no linebacker in

(31:29):
the safeties behind him. Actually, time and again kept exploiting
about a fifteen seventeen yard window from the line of
scrimmys down the middle of the field, and I must
have completed fifteen passes that way. Of course, he completed
twenty nine for the seed game. It was twenty sever
or twenty nine passes on the season on the night.
But he said that there was miscommunication, which got worse

(31:55):
when Kobe Bryant went out injured early in the second half,
because then Tyle came in, so there was a disconnect
between the deeper coverage and they underneath intermediate zones and
they crushed it. And Jones said that they finally shored
that up on the three straight. That it would also
help guys is that they stopped started limiting Kyron Williams.

(32:17):
It looked like he was onto it. It was way
to one hundred and fifty yard night in the first
half rushing the ball. And when they limited him, third
down became third and eight and nine again instead of
third and two. And they talked in the locker room
after the game, including Ernest Jones and a couple of
the defensive linemen, talked about now Stafford had to hold
onto the ball longer, as Jones said, he had to
wait for his receivers to run longer routes in the

(32:40):
first half when it was third and two and third
and one all the time, because they were getting nine
yards on first and second down. Then he couldn't get
to the quarterback because the ball was getting out so quickly.
But if Kuka Naku was running a ten yard route
on third and nine, that's a lot different than a
three yard route on third and two. And then they
started affecting Stafford a little bit, and he saw some
more inaccurate throws in the fourth quarter. Stopping Williams in

(33:04):
their plays on the first down really contributed to getting
off the field. So there wasn't two to third and
two was killing them. As Mike McDonald said, you can't
spot rush the quarterback on third and two, and that's
exactly what their problem was. Most again, a couple numbers there,
a couple of numbers that want to excuse me, just want
to point out before last night, in the last fifty
years in the NFL, if an offense had four hundred

(33:26):
plus yards, didn't turn the ball over, didn't take a sack,
and their defense had three takeaways. The Rams did all that.
Since nineteen seventy five, teams were seventy nine to zero
in the league. Last night was the seventy nine to one.
Now that's the first time in fifty years an offense
did what the Rams did, a defense did what the
Rams did, and they lost.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
The second thing was Dehawks going into the fourth quarter
last night when they trailed by sixteen or more points
in the fourth quarter in their fifty year history, do
you not how many times that happened one hundred and
fifty five times into last night. Last night was one
hundred and fifty six times the Seahawks had trailed by
sixteen and more points in the fourth quarter. Do you
guys know how many times until last night the Seahawks

(34:07):
had won those games?

Speaker 6 (34:09):
Zero? Zero.

Speaker 8 (34:11):
Last night was the first time in fifty years history
of Seahawks football that they won a game trailing by
sixteen and more points in the fourth quarter. That's how
preposterous last night was.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
It was awesome. Greg Beli is with US Seahawks Insider
from the News Tribune. His complete coverage of last night's
game in the Seahawks all season long available at the
Newstribune dot com. We have to ask you about the
two point tries, three of them, all three of them successful,
the forgotten one to Cooper Cup, then the most interesting

(34:44):
two point conversion in football history that will be talked about,
I'm sure for years to come. And then the game
winner two sobers and you're going around talking about the
two point tries. What did you come away with.

Speaker 8 (35:00):
Was MacDonald donald Nobody knew that that was a backward pass.
That was the one that tied up thirty to thirty
that was supposed to be a forward pass. It was
a bubble screen outside and Jared Verus, the Rams edge rusher,
jumped up and knocked it down. But when he did,
Donald threw it just behind parallel. The rule is if

(35:22):
it's backwards at all, it's a fumble, but if it's
parallel or forward, it's a forward pass. So it was
rolled parallel to the line of scrimmage. But if you
really broke it down. And Amazon Prime, because they owned
the world and they print money, they had these great
television cameras that the angle was perfect. It was right
along the four or five yard line to show that

(35:42):
he threw it from his hand was about the four
and a half and the ball was deflected by Verse
at about the four. The crazy thing about that play
is nobody thought it was a fumble, and every one
thought it was in past. The officials rule bad. So
the ball was just laying in the end zone idly.
I mean, it was just there like a nerf ball
in someone's backyard. They left there from last weekend's play,

(36:05):
and charbon Ay just walked over to pick it up
as if he was doing the official favor given it
to him. He wasn't recover it. He just think about this,
What if that ball had not spun. What if the
grains of the artificial turf were not in such a way,
the wetness of having rained for six weeks here in

(36:27):
Seattle did not make the turf in such a way
to make that ball spin into inside the goal line.
What if it spun him he landed on the one
and a half or half inch slide and then Charboney
picked it up because he just walked after he picked
it up. He just walked along the goal line. What
if he was on the half yard line, Yeah, that

(36:49):
wouldn't have been. That wouldn't have been to That's how
ridiculous that play was. That was just fate that the
ball happened to spin at that exact location and Charbonay
just happened to pick it up like he found a
penny on the street. If he had picked it up
outside the goal line, that none of that would have happened, right. Crazy.
Other part of that is they were lined up to

(37:10):
kick a kickoff. Everybody was on the field, and that's
what McVeigh had an issue with. After the game, he said,
wait a minute, could you how could New York be
allowed to stop the whole thing, the process and everything
when the officials and everybody had already moved on. We'd
moved on. We were lined up to kick off, and
Matthew Stafford after the game said, wait a minute. I thought,

(37:31):
you can't advance a fumble and you could the Holy
Roller roll from Dave Casper in the seventies with the
Raiders in the last two minutes, and well, it wasn't
last two minutes for Matthew Stafford's case, and nobody advanced
that fumble. No one played it forward. It wasn't It
wasn't considered a forward fumble. It was considered a backward path,
if that makes sense. So nobody possessed it enough to

(37:54):
make it a forward fumble, if does make sense. I
think that was what the ruling was. But yes, but
that's not exactly why replay was instituting in the NFL
to correct. But if you go by the clear and
obvious mistake standard, it was right because the officials said
it was incomplete and that's a two point play. And

(38:15):
by the way, it was not challenged by McDonald. He
had no idea. All two point plays, all scoring plays
in the NFL are automatically reviewed, which is how that
whole thing came up in the first place. Man, there's something
else I wanted to mention about. Oh, let's talk about
Salbert's two point play. When they lined up, they had
three wide receivers to the right, including the tight end

(38:35):
AJ Barner. They were overloading the right side, and then
sure enough Sam Donald was looking at way the whole way,
Eric Salbert was tight at left end. After the game,
McDonald said that, Soalbert's the fourth read. On that I
would argue he probably is the fifth read because the
fourth was was Sharbon a leaking out of the backfield.
If he didn't have anyone to block, I'm pretty sure

(38:55):
Charbone would have been the option above Salbert. Salbert is
a nine year career blocking tight end special teams as
who was on his eight team and nine years whom
the Seahawks cut a month ago and brought back to
give him a new contract. The way his contract was structured,
he wasn't going to be available to the team next
year they were a new signing. It was there were

(39:18):
some things beyond the fact it was just a one
year contract. There was some technicalities there on why they
cut him and brought him back to get him a
new deal for the rest of this year and next year.
But the fight, the bottom line is they cut him
and then brought him back. He's like the third or
fourth string tight end even though he's really second or
third on depth truckers of his blocking. But his job
was to bog and he did. He blocked, He blockedy

(39:40):
blocky blocked, blind, gave Darnold enough time to look through
five guys with the game on the line, and the
rams shows not the Blitzer pressure, but to cover because
they thought, we can cover this end zone better than
we can the whole field. Let's put seven men in
coverage in this three five yard zone into the end zone.

(40:02):
But they never saw Solburn. If you look at the
replay of that play, nobody covered him because he blocked
and blocked for so long that they thought he was
a blocker and they we're not going to devote the
cover got him. Yeah, that was crazy.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
He almost looked like he almost looked like guilty, like
you just slipped in there, like, hey, I'm kind of
wide open here.

Speaker 8 (40:20):
Well, it was like it was like it was like
I have nothing else to do. I've blocked that blocked.
I don't feel like blocking anymore. Let's go see what
the colin looks like. That's what it looked like. And
he said, yeah, I was a little surprised the play
was going on long enough where my blocking job was done.
Not if you go pass we catch. How many times
does the Seahawk pass blocker have enough time to just decide, Okay,
my job's done here. I'm going to go catch a pass.

(40:42):
That's happened like twice and ten years in Seattle. The
other thing I want to mentioned about Ernest Jones made
sure we all knew, including the national television answy US.
In the locker room after the game. They were talking
about it in the locker room a lot that the Rams
are laughing at him on the field when it was
thirty to fourteen, whenst yeah, I mean flat as Dernis,
Jones said, laughing. Man today, it was disrespectful. It disrespected us,

(41:07):
districted our defense, it disrespected the game. There was too
much time left. Yes, he's play for him, he said.
I'm not going to name names. He's smart enough because
he's thinking they may play him a third time in
the playoffs. He said, But they know I wrote a
whole story about it the news tributes at the Newstribune
dot com right now. But they could very well play

(41:28):
the Rams for the NFC title appear in Seattle, and
they will remember this. Bram's laughing at them at thirty
to fourteen of nine minutes left.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah, now I want it. It's a Lei Frasier. They've
got to fight a third time, so let's do it,
all right? Well, awesome stuff, Thank you very much, so
we appreciate it, and we will certainly be checking in
with you next week.

Speaker 8 (41:48):
Yeah happy. We let me say this as much and
as what they accomplished last night if they don't beat
the Panthers in forty nine ers down the.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
Road anyway, Yeah, yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 8 (41:57):
That's Louis League is every weekend, all right?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
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Speaker 3 (43:21):
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(43:44):
So yeah, that happens a couple of times per year.
But what never has happened in the history of Seahawks
football is coming back from a sixteen point fourth quarter
deficit to win a game. It happened last night, and
it just so happened to be the biggest game of
the year. Thirty eight rams thirty seven. Hugh Mellon joins
us our QB one here to break this thing down

(44:06):
for the next couple of hours. Have you ever seen
anything like that? Melon?

Speaker 10 (44:10):
It's one of the best games I've ever seen in
my life. It was one of the most improbable wins
I've seen for any team, let alone the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
What do they say?

Speaker 10 (44:20):
I heard this morning one point three percent. Somebody was
saying three percent, but then now they've shaved it down
to one point three.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I don't know. Whatever the metrics are. We know it
is very improbable.

Speaker 10 (44:30):
It was just it was, in my opinion, such a
great win because mcmike McDonald is in year two, he's
trying to build. You know, you can say you're bought in,
and John Schneider can target guys that are that have
been predisposed in their past to be buying guys and
all of that works. But you still have to put

(44:52):
it out there and for the team to you know,
you're constantly preaching the leadership of the team headed by
Mike McDonald. You're preaching like, hey, stay together, you know,
they gotta you know, wait till the you know, play
till it's the clock is double zero. You don't believe
in each other. Uh Uh And all of those those

(45:13):
messages they can now say, look at this, you you
just had one of the most incredible wins, uh that
anybody can remember in the NFL, because you bleeked in
that that that would happen, and and you know, and
most especially obviously the battered quarterback that that he could
come back.

Speaker 6 (45:32):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (45:32):
And and so I think it's just it speaks such
volumes moving forward, uh and so good on them. It
was just spectacular entertainment. Yeah, you know what I love
about it. What I love about it is that it
was not like you backed into it. You took it
in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
And sometimes these games, uh, usually it's a team that
coughs it up. But even though Sam Donald didn't play
his best game, he played he played well when he
had to. Kenneth Walker did play his best game of
the year. Your receivers, your playmakers made huge plays down
the stretch. Your defense overcame its secondary getting injured and ravaged,

(46:10):
and stepped up and certainly flipped the switch. At one
point he had three State three and outs against the
team that had over five hundred yards of offense against you.
You really did. I mean, he didn't have much time
to do it, but you ended up taking that game
in the fourth quarter from the Los Angeles Rams and
then winning it in overtime. So where does the analysis
begin for you? When there are eighty eight pages worth

(46:33):
of things that we could discuss here this morning.

Speaker 10 (46:35):
Well, I'm just so shocked at how the defense the
yards that they gave up, and there was I believe
fifty eight plays out of thirteen personnel with the three
tight ends, and Seattle had handled that really well down
at sofar averaging two point seven yards per play. But
they just got carved up pretty bad last night, and

(46:57):
so I think it was so improbable to me the
over under was that was it forty two and a half,
you know, and so they would be that high scoring
a game, and you know, you know, if you don't
have the punt return, it's unlikely you're gonna win that game.
But I you know, I think for Sam Donald, I
can't stress how much courage he had to have, how

(47:20):
much metal because when he threw that second interception down
by the goal line. And if you can just try
and imagine for a second, I want you to really
just like almost close your eyes on the back of
your eye lids, try and be Sam Donald all the
crap that you've been getting. The Seattle Times writes a
call him on game day, you know, hey, can you

(47:40):
come up and clutch? And how many of his teammates
are reading that and the netwix are asking the question
and then you know, and he's been being reminded of
the four the four interceptions and you know it can't
can't win a big one.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Well, you know what's crazy?

Speaker 10 (47:56):
A year ago, the the min not Soda Vikings put
him on their shoulders in the locker, on their shoulders
in the locker.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
It's on YouTube. Look it up.

Speaker 10 (48:06):
Because he had throw them for like three hundred and
seventy yards on a game that was December twenty ninth
to beat the Packers at a very pivotal game that
was a week after or a week or two after
he beat the Seahawks. Well, that was a pivotal game,
and yet people nobody wants to say you can win
a pivotal game.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
The Vikings put him on their shoulders in the it
was December twenty ninth.

Speaker 10 (48:27):
It wasn't September twenty ninth, it was December twenty ninth.
And so so now at this point he throws two
interceptions and everybody's looking at everybody's booing him. His passer
rating was a fifty one and his expected point to
average for the game was a negative point four to nine.

(48:47):
And to give that context, the NFL starting quarterbacks, if
you look it up, they live in a world the
best is point two four per play. The worst is
negative point two four. Got me, that's the range that
all thirty two quarterbacks. Darnold up to that point was
negative point.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Four to nine.

Speaker 10 (49:04):
I double the worst and somehow he has the guts
to come from that point on. He has one hundred
and thirty seven passer rating and A and a point
ninety eight EPA. He quadruples the highest. That's what he did.
And to have the guts and the courage to, you know,

(49:29):
just still throwing the ball in the middle field throw.
You know, Jsm's just got this little tiny window between
the hook two hook defenders. Well, I'm gonna still rip
it in there. The corner route that he threw to
to Cooper Cup right in overtime. They started with Jackson
Smith and Jigba on the right side, and he was

(49:51):
in the backfield and they're running a little choice and
the Rams played a two deep, five under zone defense.
It would have been so easy for him Jackson Smith
and jig but he read the coverage. Well, I want
you to take your left hand and spread it out
as wide as he can. Spread your left hand and

(50:12):
look at the back of your hand. Got me, yep,
the hole between your thumb and your finger. Can you
put your that you see that space between your your
thumb and your index finger. Yes, that's where Cooper or
excuse me, that's where Jackson Smith and Jigba just hold
up right in there, nice tasty little hole the corner.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
And you know what he did. He said, I'm gonna
go honting.

Speaker 10 (50:34):
I got a chance to get Cooper Cup over the
top of the corner, who, by the way, had intercepted
him back down fourteen Durant Durant.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
He but he said, I'm gonna.

Speaker 10 (50:45):
Throw it over Durant's head into this little pocket over
by the sideline, given that he the interceptions he had had.
What that that statement about that play, Like, hey, he's
telling his teammates and by the way, he's that and
and Jared Verse had had come around on a on

(51:06):
a stunt that Anthony Bradford hadn't picked up, which didn't
eminently shock me. But but he's putting his helmet right
in his collarbone as he's throwing this thing. And I
just I don't know, I think if you, if you, you,
you don't have to be a guy that you know,
a quarterback nerd who just studies this stuff for fifty years.

(51:28):
Just like, think about what I'm describing to you. He
is earning his the trust of his teammates by like
look this dude is going to battle for sixty minutes.
He's not going to go into a freaking hole.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Man.

Speaker 10 (51:41):
That is hard what he had to deal with after
the hole he dug himself in and everything that has
been heaped on him.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I don't know. I thought I was gutty as hell.

Speaker 10 (51:51):
I was disappointed as a seattleite, you know, grew up,
you know, graduated from a you know what, Seattle public schools,
to hear him getting booed when the Seattle Seahawks are
the number two team, uh in the Super Bowl odds
in year one for your quarterback, you're young one in
your offense coordinator. We think we're great fans, Husky fans

(52:14):
through the years, Seahawk fans going back to the Kingdome.
I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed that the way the
offense was getting booed in the first half. Now at
some point after he threw his second interception. It's pro football.
You're making fifty something million, You're gonna get your ass booed.
I get that, but I thought I thought it was
way like like, seriously, yeah, we're not happy with where

(52:37):
the Seahawks aren't. We got a pretty damn good quarterback,
and he showed a lot of guts last night.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
That's my take, one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
I mean I heard that there was people that actually
left at that moment when they're second interception and yeah,
and that happened. Yeah, you're lucky you're not on Twitter
because there was a whole bunch of people burying him
and saying they wanted Tua to come in next year
to a time.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
That's the minority, I'm sure it is. What do I
wish Pat Mahomes was the quarterbacks?

Speaker 8 (53:04):
Sure?

Speaker 10 (53:05):
Well, depending on how you want ma Ain answer, of course.
But he's the dude here the rams let's say things,
you know, kind of wobble and it's ends up being
a disappointment, disappointing finish You're still going to have on
Super Bowl Sunday. Matthew Stafford's going to be thirty eight
years old and Sam Darn's going to be twenty eight

(53:27):
years old. The seah Owks are the second youngest team.
They've gotten a new court, Like, like, do we not
know that offense takes more cohesion than defense?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Have we not learned that?

Speaker 10 (53:37):
Like you're in year one with your quarterback and you
and and this offensive coordinator the idea. I mean, you're
ahead of the curve. You're ahead of the curve. Why
the hell are you booing? I mean, do you want
the Seahawks to win or do you think it doesn't
matter that that to create that kind of energy.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
I don't know. I didn't.

Speaker 10 (53:56):
I had no plan to go off on on the
booing because it was such a wonderful, spectacular game and
I think by and large, you know, the crowd was there,
so I'll veer off of that lane. But I think
I found myself just defending Darnold, and I hope we
can appreciate it took a lot of guts. I've always
said the greatest game a quarterback has ever played is

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Tom Brady in the Super Bowl against the Falcons. Not
because he was great for four quarters and into the overtime.

Speaker 11 (54:25):
He wasn't.

Speaker 10 (54:26):
He wasn't good in the first half. He had an
eighty six yard pick six right, and and there's a
lot of things that weren't going well. That's why they
got down twenty five points. What made it the greatest
game is that he battled back from that hole to
do everything that he did. And by the way, you know,
so he had two interceptions. Yesterday. Pat Mahomes has has

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a Super Bowl where he had two touchdowns and two
interceptions and he won that Super Bowl and scored thirty
like the same number of points as Donald did. Matthew
Stafford in his Super Bowl he had two interceptions one
of the most pivotal plays in the history of the NFL.
Anybody heard of the Dwight Clark and the catch Joe

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Montana when he put his hands under center before that play.
He had two touchdowns and three interceptions in that game.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Like it, like.

Speaker 10 (55:24):
It doesn't matter when you play, when you make the
plays at the end, that that's what matters. And Sam
Donald made the plays to win the game. And he
is for the last thirty nine starts, he has won
seventy eight percent of his games. Like, how many starts
do we need to say where you say this guy's
pretty good?

Speaker 11 (55:44):
Pretty good?

Speaker 6 (55:45):
Yeah, oh, I'm with you one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
I Mean, the true measure of a great athlete, in
my opinion, is how they rebound from failure. Way more
than just oh wow, remember that awesome five touchdown game
he had.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Okay, great, Yeah, you know that's great.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
It's what do you do when when it looks like
things aren't going your way, to you cower and wither
and wilt, or do you rise to the occasion?

Speaker 6 (56:04):
He did for sure.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Now, I mean the flip side of this, not the
flip side, but just kind of quick kind of touching
on the other side of the ball essentially.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
I mean, the Rams were moving the ball.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
I mean scored on six straight possessions after they turned
over on downs their first possession, and yet that punt
return and then the defense turning up the intensity a
little bit, I mean turned into basically four punts out
of the next five possessions and a missfield goal in there.
How big of a deal is that to then kind
of maybe give a little boost to Sam Dartell on

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the offense that hey, we're going to do our part
and hold these guys to nothing.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
You guys come back and do your part.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
It's huge.

Speaker 10 (56:42):
And that's I think where Mike McDonald is just preaching, Hey,
you know, you just got to keep playing complimentary football.
Believe in the other side of the ball. That's what's
unique about football. You know, Baseball, the offensive guys are
the defensive guys. Basketball, the offensive guys are the defensive
Football is you know soccer. Uh, I guess I've never

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watched soccer, but I you know, I common sense would
tell me the offensive guys are the defensive guys. But
in football you have to you have to preach, you know,
the buy and hey have faith in in this and
and and you know the special teams. It wasn't just
the punt return. You had uh and and by the way,

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a great scheming. I you had Cody White and and
uh twenty eight I know he's a backup corner. Helped
me out. But Chuck, they they played like two safeties back. Britchett, Yeah,
Pritchett they yeah, and and so they if you just
look at the the tape, it looks like a cover

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two defense in normal football. But those two safeties were
back to help the gunners. And and so you got
a great block by Pritchard out on the edge along
with h I think it was Okada and fifty two
had the best block O'Connell and uh but anyway, and
just an electric, electrifying return right like he sprinted out

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to the left and then he saw it like the
BMW commercially saw this hole and he just had this
heat to just like boom, hit that and and break
down everybody's angles a pursuit.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
So uh Rashid Shaheed, I.

Speaker 10 (58:21):
Mean, I mean at this juncture, I had been worried
that in April we'd say, oh man, I wish we
had that fourth and fifth round pick.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Well, you know, he's really been contributed.

Speaker 10 (58:30):
And you know, maybe that that acquisition winsy of the
NFC West because because of that return. But also we
were talking about a week ago the the field position
coming off of kickoffs the Seahawks the Rams, based on
presumably Shaheed and his juice. Do you notice the Rams

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kickers on the kickoff kicked it into the end zone
every single time? Yes, and for a touchback like they
didn't even try. It wasn't like oh I mishit, you know,
like I grabbed one to along of a club and
I barely know. They were trying to hammer that thing
through the end zone on every single kickoff, giving Seattle

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the ball off to thirty five. So the average start
for Seattle was thirty to thirty four, you know, and
the average start for the Rams was the twenty seven
on all their drive starts. You know, so that's seven
yards but multiply that by fourteen drives and you know

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you're you're talking nearly one hundred yards of difference in
you know, in field position. So so receids seeds element
there showed up. And in the prior game, I'd made
a bigger deal because I was like, whoa, Seattle's number
one in EPA and special teams and the Rams are
are dead last thirty two. This is the game going

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down in so far, I said, that's got to play
out for the game. Well, guess what. Their punter drops
it into the six inch line, the most pivotal punt
of the of the season. Right, So it did not
manifest in that game, but it did last night. The
Special team's advantage was was, you know, for the reasons

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I'm citing, and in that punt return, you know, huge
part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
That's again the buy in for a young team totally
changed the game, totally changed the momentum. And then the
thirty one yard run by Shaheed as well, it's like
he was solely responsible for, like, let's change the momentum
of this thing. And then everybody seemed to buy in
after that. Donald got hot, defense got hot. Everything clicked
after that and you end up winning the game. It's
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Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
You got more notes than usual over there. That's stacked there, Coach,
that's that's just topical notes to discuss with you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
And Hugh here today. You know, what do you doing?
Have such a nice job with that I have? I
had one extra sheet one one sheet. Yeah, but I
kind of departmentalized things and just I'm short short doing
that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
But are you saying you're more efficient than I am?

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
No, you're all I'm saying I probably less efficient, but
I circle things, you know, and said this is important.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
You're more of a circler than a scribbler.

Speaker 8 (01:02:14):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Chuck it back in the mornings, Coach. Onger now joins
the conversation here on a Monday morning quarterback on a
football Friday, as we recap last night's insane thirty eight
thirty seven win over the Los Angeles Rams in overtime.
And there's still a lot of ground we haven't gotten
to with Hugh, so we'll cover some new ground with

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both you and Hugh this hour, but also just want
to get your thoughts just off the top. You're down
sixteen midway through the fourth quarter against the team that
some people think is the best team in the National
Football League, and they certainly played that way for most
of the game. What do you attribute to being able
to come back in this contest, because it's not like

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the Rams gave it away. They didn't have any turnovers,
you know, they didn't just give it to the Seahawks.
They kind of took it from them and the fourth quarter,
So what do you attribute to this comeback when.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Well, first of all, the game was out of side.
It was just one of the more remarkable games I've
seen in a long time. I never thought it'd be
that high scoring. I thought it'd be close, but so
it was. You know, kudos to both sides. Honestly, it
was a great, great football game. To your point, Chuck,
I think when they're down, you know, I thought, I

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sat there and I'm watching the game. I said, okay,
it's they're pretty much toast, you know what I mean,
And this is the game's over.

Speaker 11 (01:03:35):
And it wasn't. And I think.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
When you're in that situation and the team reacts like
the Seahawks reacted, I think.

Speaker 11 (01:03:45):
That says a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
My own feeling says a lot about the coach and
how he has taught and prepared the team and how
they think and how they games is like.

Speaker 11 (01:03:57):
The score is the score is before the score is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Kind of there, and obviously you're playing to get more
points than the other team, but just how they stuck,
how they stick with it, how they keep playing, how
the belief system, and I credit I credit Mike the
belief system in what they're doing, that they're going to
make something. We're going to make this work and at

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the end, we're going to have a good feeling because
and then there was no I didn't have that feeling,
you know. And I'm watching the game and I think
a lot of fans there's some left thought, some bood yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:04:33):
I said this is over.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
And uh, that's a real credit I think to Mike McDonald,
how he and how he has prepared his team and
the philosophy they play.

Speaker 10 (01:04:42):
With Mike, when you let's talk about Sam Darnold's role
in that. I assume when you go to overtime that
you'd say, if I hit you up before the game,
you say, hey, we're going to go into overtime. You
know what, what words might you say to your quarterback?
You might think, well, hopefully we've been uh, you know,

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having a real successful game for a fourth quarter and
for four quarters to say, hey, just keep ripping their
ass like you've been you know, go get them.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
But that's not what Mike McDonald might have been able
to say.

Speaker 10 (01:05:16):
He had the two uh interceptions and they're both pretty
pretty grisly. I mean, those were those are bad interceptions
and and and yet he's gotta you gotta somehow flush
it and still be a playmaker. What what what do
you say to your quarterback in that situation? And then

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when you watch what Donald did, uh after those two interceptions,
you know, making the place to win the football game?
Kind of what's what's your thoughts and all of that as.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
That unfolds, well as it unfolds, excuse me, the uh
I would say, it's a new game, you know, I mean,
you're you're going into overtime or you're you're talking to
your orderback and Hugh, you you've probably been talked to
this way that what what has happened? What has happened prior? Okay,

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it happened, but now, okay, this is a fresh start.
This is a new game. We got a chance to win.
This is what I'm going to call, this is what
I'm going to do. Make good decisions and just kind.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Of that was every series for me.

Speaker 8 (01:06:20):
Mike what you just described that every series.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Forget about that last pass here, but you know what,
it's a new game. It's a new game.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Yeah, that's that's what you That's what I think. What
you have to impress upon the player. You know that
I'm not thinking there. I'm not going there, and I
don't want you going there. This is what we're doing,
and just spell it out for him and then you
know I wouldn't. I didn't use the letter rip saying

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very much. But uh, they they knew and that fresh
start let's go, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
Yeah, Well, I mean he doesn't seem to get it
completely rattled. Maybe he did it with when he's thrown
his fourth interception the first time that they met, but
he seemed to keep his composure enough and make some
unbelievable throws there down the stretch. That one corner route
you discussed earlier to Cooper Cup was just an absolute
dime over the guy.

Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
But still in bounds.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
When the momentum starts to shift like that and you're coaching, right,
I mean, it's down sixteen with nine minutes, there's time,
but you know, you kind of feel like you're gonna
need something special, like a punt return for a touchdown
something like that. But once it starts to happen, is
there anything in particular that you did where let's go
for the judge that's hit him quick like they did
with the second touchdown, or is anything change in your

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mind as a coach and a play caller because you
feel that momentum shift.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
I don't think it changes too much in your play selection,
but there absolutely is a feeling on the sideline and
when the momentum changes like that and you're kind of
approaching a chance to win this thing when it didn't
look good. Not only the players, I mean the coaches

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feel it. And I used to walk the walk and
kind of you see McVeigh do it every once in
a while, and uh uh, you don't see Mike do
it too much.

Speaker 11 (01:08:14):
But you turn.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Around and you're talking to the players and you're okay here,
you know, you're kind of gain You're you're you're feeling
the momentum and you want to make sure the players do.
But you don't have to say too much if you've
if you've prepared them and taught them about those things,
and I think he has done that. That's probably why
he doesn't have to do too much, and that's why

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assistant coaches, you know, probably do it for him. And
now you have twenty six assistant coaches in the seat
of ten, So you got a lot of guys cheerleading
on the sideline, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
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f M. Well, let's let's have this, Maybe put this
conversation to bed or at least advance it. Two more
interceptions from Sam and yet he does overcome it and
makes all the throws down the stretch to somehow win
that game. So I would just ask you, and he

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would as well. Does Sam Darnold have an interception issue?
And if so, what did last night's come back do
for him to maybe fix that problem?

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
You know What's he's in his own mind and then
everyone's mind. He's throwing too many interceptions. I get that,
you know, but they're winning. Look at their record. Yeah,
and he's the quarterback and he's doing it. He is
doing it for them.

Speaker 11 (01:09:31):
It might might.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Everyone wants Every once in a while it looks a
little why do he do that?

Speaker 11 (01:09:36):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
But I've lived through that, you know, I've been there,
and so you just keep going, you keep going.

Speaker 6 (01:09:43):
He is the.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Reason that their record is the record they have, and
they have a great defense, they have good talent on offense,
but that quarterback has gotten him this far. And so,
you know, quarterback, you play the position. You're going to
throw an interception now and then. But look at I
think everyone has to kind of stick with him and
stand behind him, and he's going to be the guy

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and his teammates know that.

Speaker 11 (01:10:08):
His teammates know that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
And as a coach trying to fix something, I think
you don't overthink it, you know, just now, let's look
at why it happened. You talk about it, certainly, but
I'm looking I've been in his corner since the beginning,
and I'm going to stick there.

Speaker 10 (01:10:23):
Hugh, I firmly agree with every word Mike just said.

Speaker 8 (01:10:27):
There.

Speaker 10 (01:10:29):
You know, I think that that if if I imagine,
if I was, you know, backup, and Mike was the coach,
or I was in that meeting room, it's not that
they we wouldn't be trying to, you know, remedy and
avoid interceptions. You know, earlier in the year, it was
probably a little easier to to reconcile because you know,

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he was producing big plays at such a huge rate
that slip a little bit in these past few weeks.
But you know, he made the plays last night when
they needed to be made, and I think that that,
in many people's judgment, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
The real mark of a quarterback.

Speaker 10 (01:11:07):
But Mike, just those two interceptions, you know, the first one,
you know, it's just it was a disguised two deep
five under. They're getting what you would call lion double
slant on to the left, you know, with a zone.
Now there happened to have been a tight end on
that side, so it was a trips he was doing

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to sit over the ball. But uh, you gotta read
that number two defender, the guy over the overhang defender.
If he doesn't, if he doesn't reduce inside with that
inside slant, you can't throw the outside slant right. And
I mean just kind of talk about that one, because
that that stuff that I've taught at high school, that

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the concept that you got to know the inside defender
if you're going to throw the outside slant on double slant.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
Well, first of all, I think if he recognizes that,
if that's the defense he sees five under that's not
the greatest play to have against that because you have
underneath coverage. There are the holes get squeezed down with
five under on two double slants. Now to your point here,
if he stays with it, he's got to be aware
of that. Absolutely. I would tell him. I would say,

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get out of that play. Call something we done that
to be complicated, but something that's a two deep five
under beater or a better play versus that defense.

Speaker 8 (01:12:29):
But it started, Mike.

Speaker 10 (01:12:30):
It started as a single high and at the snap
that rotated, you know, it looked like it could be
number one cover one press, so I don't think he
had a great read on it. And it became it
looked like cover one press and became two D five
under zone right, And as I said, I want to
make the point, it wasn't a two by formation. It

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was a three buy to that side, and the tight end,
who was an inline position barner, he kind of sat
over the ball. The other one the intercept.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Down by the goal line.

Speaker 10 (01:13:02):
Mike my notes, you know my terminology is cover zero
double rat It was it was man and man, no safety,
and then you had two linemen who started to rush,
but then they pulled out into the hook zones. And
it's the exact same notes that I had on Leonard
Williams ninety two yard interception return against Aaron Rodgers last year,

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cover zero, double rat and so you know it can
get quarterbacks. If you don't see that guy, you know,
you think you think it's cover zero, you think it's
man and man. Oh, there's there's no problems to throw
that insight slanding by the way, it was dragging to
the left mike which chuck and Buck is slanted by
the outside guy and a quick flat by the slot receiver.

Speaker 6 (01:13:50):
Cup.

Speaker 10 (01:13:51):
Just talk about how you would analyze and you would
coach Darnold after he made that mistake.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Well, he you know, that's a tough one because if
you know Aaron Rodgers did it, he's played a little bit.
He made the same And that's if you have defensive
linemen that can do that. Okay, Obviously you had to
be talked about it going into the game. From that situation,
you just have to be careful. You got to be
careful in certain situations, and that's one of them. You know,

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if you don't see it, if you see the opening,
throw it. If you can't see the opening but you
know you think it's there because of the coverage you have. No, no,
you got to be careful about that one. That would
be the coaching coaching I would do on that play.

Speaker 10 (01:14:38):
So I'm sorry, checking Buck. Just one more thought, because
I think this is an important point, Mike. When Darnold
threw that interception, this is the one down by the
gone we're just talking about with the defensive lineman popping
out and getting it. They chose to have the set
there was three to the left and three to the
right out of an empty formation. The tight end was

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to the right, so there's three guys to the right,
two receivers to the left. They chose to have the
center go to the right towards the tight end, which
meant that the end on the left was on the
on the open side with the tackle there was no
tight end and outside he has a shorter edge. Had
they had they directed the center to go to the left,

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because and there's an open edge to the left. Now
the unblocked guy would have been way outside the tight
end to the right, he has a long, longer path
to get to the quarterback. What do you think about
the idea of of of the center and now he
wanted to throw the dragon into the into the pressure.

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But but that's certainly a part of avoiding this situation
is choosing the short edge versus the long edge on
the unblocked rusher.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
Yeah, you know, either way, he's going to have to
get the ball out of his hand quickly because even
though he's one more man removed, he's going to get
there and get hit if you hold on the ball
too long because they don't have enough blockers. But so
he's got to deliver the They have enough blockers, but
not the way the defensive guys popped out.

Speaker 11 (01:16:16):
So yeah, yeah, it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Makes some sense to do that, send the center away
and give the guy have a little more time to
throw it. But then sometimes you just have to say, okay,
they got me here, Okay, they got me here, and
tuck the ball and run or get down or do something,
but don't throw the interception.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
Well, ultimately, I mean I would imagine it's Shula right
that Chris Shula is the defensive coordinator for the Rams. Yes,
I probably learned that. Yeah it's not Don Shoela.

Speaker 8 (01:16:46):
I know that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
Yeah, they probably learned that from watching a Hermerson High
School Bulldogs game coach, I would imagine because we had
one of those. It was called Bondsi. It was Bucky
on the zone. As a defensive end. I would drop
into coverage. Yeah, picked off Tony Hill. He was the
best quarterback in our state.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
And everybody runs the Bonzie play. Now, yeah, they learned
it from us, and you got the interception. I did, wow.

Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
And then I almost fumbled while I was getting tackled,
but I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
I mean, it's the danger of Bonzie, yea. Everybody knows it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
Not much of a ball handling. Yeah, yeah, exactly why
I dropped back. They tried hitting the tight end like
a hot route of some sort.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
Uh, you were probably after the interception. You're probably running
down with the ball in your hands.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
No better than that, No, no, no, No premature celebration
out of this guy, coach than laps.

Speaker 10 (01:17:35):
I think I have new terminology that takes less time
to write, Bonzi than cover zero double rat.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
Yeah, okay, I don't want to be called a rat.
That will always be Bonzie. It will always be Bondie
from this time.

Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
Well, it wasn't very bright. I think it was. Ray
Brown was our coach. He had to make it simple enough.
To where I knew it right, like it was specific
for me dropping back.

Speaker 6 (01:17:56):
We didn't run it very often, but lucky on zone.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Sam Darnol needs to be careful of that play. I mean,
you gotta be careful with those three hundred and fifteen
pound defensive tackles standing between you and JSM. All right,
it is Monday morning quarterback. A lot more to discuss
with coaching with you. We'll get to it next. Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. All right, final segment.

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I feel like we could go for five more hours
if everybody's up for it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:34):
Anybody no, no good? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Yeah, okay, all right, I guess we'll do one last
thing then. So what do you got for coach? Your bucket? Coach?

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
We discussed a little bit about the booing and understandably
so and play calling and whatnot. But I can remember
back when you were coaching that there would be times
at third and sixteen you'd call a screen or you'd.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
Call a draw.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Draw.

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
Yeah, last night it did.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
It didn't turn into points because that was the same
drive that Cooper cut cut. That pass gets down there
and fump gets hit and fumbles. But there was a
third and sixteen, they called a draw and they got
seventeen yards out of it. In the middle of the
play when they hand off, the crowd booze and then
he gets seventeen yards.

Speaker 6 (01:19:13):
Was there a part of you that smiled and said, you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
Know what, I'm glad you brought that up, because on
that play I said, I used to do that and
not get credit for it.

Speaker 11 (01:19:24):
I used to do that and look at they you
know what.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
But I thought when he handed the ball off, honestly,
I was probably part of that group in the stands.
I said, what are you doing? What are you doing?
And then I caught myself. I used to do that.
This is probably a pretty good on year. Hey, and
he got a first down. Yes, I used to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
Good, That's what I was hoping you did.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
H Yeah. I kind of felt like a throwaway play
that worked. Yes, yeah, it worked. And I even wrote
down at the time, I wrote down that might end
up being the biggest play of the year, and ended
up not even being the biggest play of the quarter,
but nonetheless it seemed pretty big at the time. What
he got for coach you? Yeah, you know one guy

(01:20:09):
that really nobody's talking. I don't say nobody, but I
don't hear it. Talk seldom talked about from last night
is Josh Jones. And there are some positions cornerback, left
tackle where no news is good news. If you don't
hear him mention, you're not thinking about him. That's a
good officials, it's a good thing if you're not thinking

(01:20:31):
about them.

Speaker 10 (01:20:31):
Right, And and here was a guy there was two
big injuries might coming into this game. Matthew Stafford didn't
seem to miss Davante Adams. He threw for four hundred
and fifty seven yards and Seattle. I thought with Josh
Jones at left tackle, I thought he had a hell
of a game. I mean, he had no sacks, and

(01:20:53):
you know he was in some ways he was taking
on the block closer to the line of scrimmage, a
little bit more of a jump set as opposed to a.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Kickstep deep drop. I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:21:04):
I thought in training camp he looked like a guy
that could be the best swing tackle the Seahawks have
had in years, and and they thrust him into those duties.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
I thought he had a hell of a game. Did
you have any impress about him?

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Well, I thought going into the game, I thought if
if the Rams and they have good pass rushers on
the outside, that that could be a problem. You bring
in a guy who hasn't played a lot, and you
know he's gonna have his hands full. But I'm glad
you mentioned him because he did exactly what you said.
He he really held it together and did a great job.

(01:21:39):
And you know he's a giant guy. He's a big man.
And I didn't study the film like you do, Hugh,
but it didn't. It didn't disrupt anything. That didn't that
didn't disrupt anything for the Seahawks, and so give him
his credit absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
All right, Well, close with this. I suppose it's a
third Thursday night game. I mentioned earlier in the show
that Ashley and I get to watch Sunday stress free.
We get to watch our football this week and completely
stress free. Bucky's got a little stressing out to do.
I suppose on Sunday. As a coach, when you play
on Thursday night, how good does it feel coming off

(01:22:18):
a win, to go into the holidays and not have
to worry about whether you're going to win or lose
that weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
I think it's great, and I think I don't know
what his message to the team will be But if
I was in that exact situation, they have off until Monday,
you just enjoy it. Now, you caution it's a cautionary tale.
You got to kind of be smart about how you
handle us. But enjoy your family, enjoy whatever you want

(01:22:44):
to enjoy, and then come back Monday and we'll get
rolling for the next game. But yeah, it's a Thursday
night win the way they won. Enjoy the couple days
that follow that before you have to get back to work.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
He's really got things cooking, doesn't he. And he's really
got a good program goinging on right now.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
He is really good and and and you know what,
everyone and if no one anticipated this in the beginning,
they thought they would be good and improved and all
that kind of stuff, but this is really something. And
now they're in. They're in. They're in the playoffs.

Speaker 11 (01:23:15):
So now they're there.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
Now they approach a different season, and you know, they
got a couple of games left, in big important games,
but they're in. And now that the playoffs and then
the super Bowl, you got two different seasons coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Chuck, can I veer off the format real quick?

Speaker 8 (01:23:30):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Mike?

Speaker 10 (01:23:31):
Uh. The decision to go for two in overtime. Some
people think that there was there was a decision there.
I can't imagine, you know, on a Thursday, after you
played Sunday played overtime, I can't imagine asking that defense
to go out on the field and play one more play.
You know, it seemed like the two point was the obvious.

(01:23:51):
But but what what is there anything that you're thinking
as a head.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Coach in that regard.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
No, I think I think that's they made their worked
so they made the right decision. But when you have that,
if you're in that position to win the football game
after what they've gone through, I think you take your shot.

Speaker 11 (01:24:08):
Absolutely. I would have done the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Yeah, well, especially since I mean even with a tie,
if you end up with a tie, rams still on
the tie break. Seemed like a no brainer to me.

Speaker 11 (01:24:18):
There was right rationale for you.

Speaker 8 (01:24:21):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
All right, gentlemen, excellent work. Thank you very much for everything.
Appreciate it. And I'm not going to be here early
next week, so I won't see you again. So Merry Christmas.

Speaker 11 (01:24:33):
Merry Christmas, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
Happy holidays to both of you. Yeah, and we'll do
this again real soon.

Speaker 11 (01:24:39):
Great, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:24:40):
So much.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
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