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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hey, good morning.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
It is Chuck Powell and Ashley Ryan with you know,
Bucky Jacobson today as we're going live this morning here
on Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three point three
k j R FM on this Friday. Yeah, you come
back to work on a Friday, boy, you can really
work the system sometimes and then get a couple more
days off.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
How many days do we get off next week? By
the way?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Two?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Yeah, New Year's even New Year's Day. I'm taking the
Friday off.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
And you're taking the Friday off? Are you sure? Because
I can really I can really sell this process here.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
No, I mean I think I would like us to
get more.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah. No, what I'm saying I can really you know, I'm.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
Experiencing you really like it.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, but you got the Monday the Tuesday off and
I did not, So it doesn't feel like a Monday
to me.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
Okay, it feels like just a day of weirdness.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Just just I'm telling you, like, you can probably package
this thing and sell it.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
I like your plan. I would do Monday Tuesday and
then just come to.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Work Friday, get the what you know, five days off
work a day and then get two days off.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Yeah, that's that's a rough life.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
There's probably something to it.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
I think there's a lot of somethings to it.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, So anyway, I'll do my best to get through.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Today segment at a time.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Can you do it?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Check and get those two harder days off, you get
tomorrow and then and then contemplate whether I'll be back
on Monday. All right, So no cliche. Keys to victory
coming up at six forty five. Again, after reminding myself
that it is a Friday, and it is a football Friday,
so we'll be doing that at six forty five. I

(01:54):
didn't mention this, but we should probably spend a little
bit more time on it. Woke up this morning to
do more than a rumor. When Adam Schefter reports on
stuff that comes out of Michigan, where he went to school,
usually you can bank on it being some pretty concrete information.
So lo and behold of all the people to have
emerged as the candidate. Kyle Whittingham out of Utah, who

(02:18):
just retired from football coaching, right, Yeah, well apparently he
was just retiring from coaching at Utah because with the
opportunity to be head coach at the at Michigan, which
is a step up. I mean, UTA's a fine program,
but obviously that's a step up. That was enticing enough
for Kyle Whittingham to say, I'm going to come out

(02:38):
of years of retirement or days of retirement.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Or hours of retirement, kind of like my he's kind
of doing what I'm doing yesday.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
He's coming back to work at Michigan on a Friday
and then taking two more days off.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Sounds like it.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
But Kyle Whittingham looks like he just wanted a better
job out of this process, and he looks like he's
emerging as the top candidate. And as a matter of fact,
there was even a suggestion this morning that it is
just a matter of figuring out a contract. So he's
the guy that they've zoned in on. I don't know
how many times they've swung and missed, or who they

(03:14):
might have been waiting for, or maybe we're getting a
soft no from the Kaelin de Bores of the world,
and then once he advanced in the playoffs, maybe it
turned into.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
A hard no. I mean hard to hard to know.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Jedfish, I don't know how much of a candidate that
he was for this job. But his name certainly stayed
in in it all the way through this morning potentially.
And so look, I mean, maybe Jedfish really dreamt of
being the Michigan head coach and he would have taken
it had he been given an offer. I will never know,

(03:53):
or well probably will never know, but there's got to
be something to even if he's disappointed that Michigan and
didn't fall all over itself to hire him, there's got
to be something to well, at least this is over.
At least we can I can stop being mentioned in
rumors because it probably is not helping me as Washington's

(04:14):
head coach. So maybe there's bitter disappointment. Maybe there was
more smoke than what we even realized with Jed Fish,
but it sounds like he's not going to be the
Michigan head coach. There are even some people that are
reported he really never was that strong of a candidate,
where Kyle Whittingham now seems like it's going to be

(04:34):
his job.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Well, And the thing that I think is so interesting
is all of these I mean, you take Dillingham, Fish
and Deboor all three who were the original strong candidates, right,
and from what I can gather, none of them ever
actually communicated with Michigan about the job or were offered
anything about the job, which I think is I mean,
I guess in this day and age, you can easily

(04:56):
say that because it's all done through representation. So just
because you didn't talk to them doesn't mean your people
didn't talk to them. But yeah, it does seem that
now all of a sudden, very quickly, Kyle Whittingham, who
I mean, I would at least want to be retired
for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean again, who really knows what happened?
It kind of feels to me like debor might have
been the choice. Yeah, and then he makes the playoffs
and they seem perfectly willing to wait a little while longer.
This isn't lsu. We have to have an answer now, Kiffin,

(05:33):
or we're moving on. It didn't feel like it was
that scenario. But then all of a sudden he wins,
and now you're not gonna play again for another ten days.
And if he wins again, you know, he's if he
hasn't left by now, he's not gonna He's not gonna
leave if he's in the final four, for goodness sake,
so it kind of feels like that and until they

(05:54):
got an absolute concrete answer from him, or if he
had madanced far enough in the playoffs, then they weren't
going to move on. Jedfish kind of felt like somebody
that he's there if we need him. That's kind of
how it felt to me. And then maybe there was
this knowledge that the Michigan Wolverines had that Kyle Whittingham

(06:19):
is our guy.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
We'd love to have him, but.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
We have to conduct this thing quietly otherwise we're going
to chase him off, yeah, because he is officially he
is retired. And so maybe there was just this we're
being patient with our guy, the guy that we want,
and if there's going to come a time where we
can't be patient anymore. So maybe they were being patient

(06:46):
with the boar. Maybe they were being patient with Kyle
Whittingham to work through whether or not because not only
are you not only are you staying in coaching, you
gotta you're starting something new. He's sixty six years old
and he looks fantastic, and he's still doing a great
job as a football coach. But you're starting a new
project that is bigger than the one that you were

(07:09):
walking away from because you were tired, right, I mean,
so you got to talk to the family, have an
honest moment with yourself as to whether or not you
have the strength and the energy to bite off this
big of a wad. And that's that's what he's doing.
So maybe it is just as simple as Michigan knew

(07:30):
all along. They're pecking order, and they were willing to
be patient, unlike most of these programs who still who
in silly fashion, you know, just hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry,
just a wait, wait, wait, wait wait. Maybe Michigan knew
all along.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah, And it's possible that it's interesting because obviously, again
we don't know this the intricacies of the way that
this works. But with Dillingham, he got his you know,
he ended up getting a great offer from ASU, and.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Maybe he was there too, Yeah, and maybe they were
patiently waiting for him.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Maybe. But I just think it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
I wonder how much of it is actually Michigan who
has been going after all these people, or as you say,
maybe it has been deborn. They've been patiently waiting and
then like agents have been using this as okay, well
it looks like Michigan's really interested in Dillingham, Asu, are
you gonna step up and give him a you know?
And so at least with witting him, they don't have that.
They don't have to worry about offering him something and
then have Michigan or having Utah come back and match it,

(08:27):
and then there's another candidate that's not a possibility for
them anymore.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah. I don't think witting Aam's grandkids can match this offer.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
No, probably not. Although Grandpa, we'll.

Speaker 6 (08:39):
Give you five years for five million dollars to turn
him down.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
He's like, that's already my own money.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Or maybe they've just got a poem planned where Dillingham
and Whittingham both fit the iambic pentamia, and so they
just like, we've got to you.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Need a Ham.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I'm not we need it. I'm not throwing this poem
away just because we can't find a four syllable coach.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
I can't wait to find out if he's sitting him.
Isn't the guy what Ham comes?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Next? Bellingham? There's a guy named Bellingham out there? Excellent,
all right, no cliche?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
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Speaker 1 (09:43):
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Speaker 8 (09:48):
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Speaker 2 (10:06):
Chuck Ashley with you. Merry Christmas to you all, if
you had a great holiday. We gather here on a
football Friday to get you ready for a football weekend.
Greg Bell's going to join us here in about two minutes,
our Seahawks insider, as we discussed the Carolina Panthers match
up with him here on this Friday. Hugh Milan will
be with us. Mike Sando will be with us later
on the show today as well. We'll have your Friday

(10:27):
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Speaker 1 (10:34):
Light, Choose Chill. Netflix was the home for two NFL games.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
On Christmas Day, The Dallas Cowboys defeated the Washington Commanders
thirty to twenty three, and then the Vikings twenty three
to ten winners over the Detroit Lions, who committed six
turnovers in a game that eliminated them from any possibility
of making the playoffs. The Denver Broncos as of this
moment have the best record in the National Football League

(11:00):
thirteen and three. They defeated the Kansas City Chiefs twenty
to thirteen the final score last night. The Seahawks can
match them with the best record in the NFL with
a win on Sunday against the Carolina Panthers. Kickoff there
at ten o'clock. More on that with Greg as I
mentioned coming up in a minute. NFL Week number seventeen
continues into Sunday, all sorts of playoff implications everywhere you look.

(11:25):
Jacksonville at Indianapolis the Colts still barely alive for their
playoff shot, and man Liam Cohen might end up being
the coach of the Year over Mike McDonald with what
he's done in changing not only the trajectory of the
team but also the culture there in a very short
period of time. Jaguars are man. They're playing as well
as anybody in the NFL right now. Philadelphia at Buffalo

(11:49):
will be the most interesting afternoon game on Sunday and
then the night game which will be interested in the
Chicago Bears at San Francisco taking on the forty nine ers.
Believe it or not, Anthers have a chance to wrap
up the division this weekend, where the Seahawks might not.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
That seems weird.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
It does seem very weird.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
College football looks like Michigan is closing in on its
brand new head coach, Kyle Whittingham. Of all people, it
was just terrific at Utah, but he was retiring from.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
The game right.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Only one thing could bring him back, and that's that
Michigan job. Looks like that's the scenario that's unfolding before
us here on this Football Friday, as Michigan and Kyle
Whittingham are working on a deal for him to be
the next head coach. College football Playoff resumes on New
Year's s Eve. Denzel Boston. Since last we spoke, no

(12:42):
surprise Year has decided to leave Washington and enter the
NFL Draft, where he's expected to be a first round
draft pick.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
The Kraken Man.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Just when you left him for dead, They've won three
straight games despite being the most injured they've been all
season long. They'll next play Sunday against the Philadelphia Flows.
All right, let's talk to Greg.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Bell with the bell tolls.

Speaker 9 (13:03):
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Speaker 3 (13:24):
Good morning Greg, Good morning Mary. Late Christmas have been heard.
Everybody listening.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, how did your holiday go? The last couple of days?

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Here? Oh fantastic. The whole family back.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Together, all four of us, nice.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Traditions back in. It was really really rewarding.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, you all cracked open some Francis Ford Coppola prosecco
to celebrate the holiday.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
I didn't. I need to get down there.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
Mostyles are disappearing, one by one.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah, I totally blew it. Last week on the round table.
I was planning on going in and I said, no,
that's where I want to go in. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well all right, well we'll get it to you eventually
and you'll never have to miss another celebration without.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Your oral drink it all until you how yeah, we
just pass it on.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I need to get down there. You know, the best
thing about my Christmas was for me anyway. I didn't
watch one second of one football game. It was just
a total Yeah, this is a vacation.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
I didn't watch any either.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I wouldn't say it was the best part, but yeah,
I didn't watch any of it either. It's just it
just feels kind of Cheesy's like, first of all, you're already,
you know, kind of the NBA's kind of cornered the
market on this day, and so you're trying to steal
all of their audience. Fine, all's fair and businesses war.
But then you're sitting here with the you know, everybody
having just tapped out the afford presence, and you're saying,

(14:52):
if you want to watch football today, got to buy
two streaming services. I just don't nothing about it. Feels
good to me, Greg that they're playing tripleheader on Christmas
these days.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, I guess the only think, Yeah, I agree. The
only thing better for me not watching NBA or in
the NFL is I didn't have to watch the NBA again,
get another day of my life.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
I didn't watch all right, So you've made it very
clearly you spend time with family. I get it.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
All right.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Well, Ashley and I've been talking about this all morning long,
and I would imagine Earn Bucky were talking about it
back on Monday and Tuesday and probably with their families
on Wednesday and Thursday. This Carolina team is just weird.
I mean, there is nothing consistent about them. There's nothing
that they really do all that well. They've been outscored
by fifty points combined this season. They've got bad losses,

(15:43):
they've got weird impressive wins, and yet they're the team
with a better shot at clinching a division than the
Seahawks on Sunday. So is Mike McDonald preparing everyone for
the weirdness of the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
They are. The Seahawks are at the point where it
really is about them. And it was even true now
that's true of the Rams last week because there were
certain things defensively especially they had to do and prepare
for for Sean mcvay's offense, and they didn't do any
of it very well defensively five eighty one yards, but
when you talk to them about opponents these days, they say,

(16:20):
we really are focused inward about us, and if we
don't fix the things we need to fix, it doesn't
matter who we play. We're not going to play well
when we do the things like third down conversions and
red zone and stop the run the fourth long third downs,
which was a difference in the fourth quarter against their
So they do those things, it doesn't matter who they play.
The couple times I've seen Carolina, it reminds me that

(16:43):
they get six games inside the NFC South every year,
and this year and especially six games inside the NFLFC
South are pretty easy games. And now that's including Tampa,
who of course came into Seattle and ripped the Seahawks
for thirty eight points. But that Tampa team that came
to Seattle's playing against four the series, are missing four

(17:05):
starters on defense, which is a big part of that game.
But they have the Panthers have the Seahawks attention. Yes,
this isn't a layup week where they just think, oh,
we beat the Rams and this is gonna be easy. Yes,
they're on the road against the team that if the
Seahawks lose one of the next two games. They may
be right back in Charlotte in three weeks or now
two weeks when the playoffs begin. So there is no

(17:28):
overlooking here. It's not that there is, though a chance
because it's a ten am game on a holiday week.
They took Thursday. They didn't practice yesterday, which is very
unconventional in a sport where they're very used to their
Sunday to Sunday schedule. I think there is a chance
they start slowly in Charlotte on Sunday. They're gonna leave
today after practice. It's just a different week. It's a

(17:50):
little off week. Ever since the Rams win, it's been different.
And Bryce Young, a quarterback, is another one of those
quarterbacks who can get outside the plot, who can extend
play as an athletic quarterback, who have they've given the
Seahawks trouble. As good as the Seahawks pass us has been,
they still do lose contain at times, and that can
also be a big concern.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
On Sunday, Greg Bell is with us R Sawks Inside.
You can followim at g BEL Seattle and of course
complete Seahawks coverage at Thenewstribune dot com. All right, so,
injury wise, how are the Seahawks looking for Sunday.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Uh, they're Quilling is back to practice fully and it
looks like he's not even gonna be on the injured
list that comes out today. So that's good news for
the death of the secondary, except Kobe Bryant hasn't practiced
this week. Again, they didn't practice yesterday. The NFL requires
them to put out of injury report anyway, so it
was an estimation. It has estimated. The Seahawks estimated again

(18:48):
that Kobe Bryant hats safety with the knee and the
hamstring injury from Charles cross Is starting left tackle. Both
of them didn't practice this week yet it looks like
they won't play again, so that means probably tyocottat safety.
Because Guandrey Diggs is injured and in fact been allowed
to the team to go home on weekends, he's not

(19:08):
going to go to the game and Charlotte, he's going
to go back to Texas with his family during the
holidays because on the practice squad anyway, he's injured. The
one game he's played with the Seahawks when he first
got here, he got hurt playing special teams and he's
not available at safety either, and Tyocotta has played well,
so it would be a somewhat of a different role
for Okata, who was playing for Jillian Love now he'd

(19:30):
be playing for Kobe Bryant. They are interchangeable at safety,
but if there was more of a strong safety Brian
often plays down a little bit more nicky min warrior
of course, makes all the safety's roles interchangeable anyway. Josh Jones,
the Seahawks are really impressed with how he played against
the Rams. That's why they signed him. The veteran a

(19:52):
half dozen seasons in the league for three or four
different teams, has played both left and right side, and
he did it left and right side consecutive weeks. He
replaced Dave Lucas when Lucas missed a few snaps in
the Colts game, and then he starts to left tackle
for Cross. We've mentioned this hamstring injuries, especially this time
of year. In this time of the season, it's tough

(20:15):
and sometimes multiple weeks to come back for It wouldn't
surprise me if they really are trying out to keep
Cross ready for the playoffs. They aren't saying that, but
as important as these two games are for seeding, I
think it's more important than Charles Cross gets almost a
full month off before the playoffs to see if they're
starting left tackle can play.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
They sure are making a big deal about Robert Hunt,
the guard right guard for the Carolina Panthers, his window.
He's been on the ir almost all season long. This
is their best offensive lineman. They've opened up the window,
and all the articles about it are this improves the Panthers'
chances of getting into the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
But they just opened up the window. I mean, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
If you're hearing anything about Carolina and Robert Hunt, but
is he going to be ready to play? Is there
a chance that their offensive line is going to be
that much better this Sunday after having sat all season long,
and you just did open his window here two games
shy of the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
No, I haven't heard anything about. Nobody that I talked
to in Carolina knows that he's going to play or not.
But it would be tough, I would think. And the
purpose for the three week window is two ramp guys up,
especially missed four months, and the fact that Carolina is
trying to get into the playoffs, like you said, and
their game up on Tampa Bay with two to play.

(21:38):
They played the Buccaneers next week in Tampa, which I
think no matter what happens, if Tampa wins on Sunday,
it doesn't matter what Carolina Panthers do, they still have
to be Tampa Bay next week. Yeah. So I wouldn't
think they're going to rush a guy out who hasn't
played for four months to play against the Seahawks on Sunday,

(21:59):
knowing the head to have an NFC in South Championship
game the following week.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, and then who knows how effective he might be.
But it certainly is all the talk going on in
Carolina right now. Greg bellis with US Seahawks Insider, getting
you ready for the Seahawks and the Carolina Panthers on Sunday.
And you know, we do this no cliche key to
victory every week, Ashley, Bucky and myself, And this is

(22:23):
the most difficult time I've had trying to come up
with something because Carolina is just so weird. Craig, So,
I don't know if you struggled with the same thing,
what would you call the key to this game on
Sunday for the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Well, Chuck, it's like any other game. The Seahawks are
more talented than this team. They should beat him. They
have a better roster, they're coaching their schemes. They should
win this game. So don't turn the ball over and
let the team get back in it. The turnovers are
the great equal visor in football, and when you don't
turn it over, the better team wins. That's almost always

(23:01):
the case, home or away weather conditions, playoff, regular season.
If you don't turn the ball over, the better team
almost always wins. And that's the turnover margin stat in
football is so telling. It's almost always the team with
turnovers loses. Not every time, but the better team is
usually will win if as long as you don't have

(23:24):
the mitigating factor of turnovers. And the Seahawks again have
a quarterback who leads the league in turnovers. Now I
know he's in better over the last few games, but
that's still the issue for this team to me. As
long as they aren't derailed by giving the ball away,
they will beat teams they're better than. And I think
that's gonna be the case on Sunday. Let's see, the
weather's supposed to be no precipitation, about sixty degrees. Last

(23:47):
night checked in Charlotte, so that should not be a factor.
No win that I saw. It's a downtown stadium, that's
a complete bowl. It's usually not winning there anyway. Let's
see if the Seahawks just play a clean game, and
if they do, I think they went.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm looking at your photo from Christmas Eve. That is
one impressive plate of food you've got there. What was
the best thing on that plate of food? What was
the best thing that you had to eat there?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
And who made it?

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Well? I made I make a homemade risotto. Well, we
went down to Jack's down at the market and Pike
placing butt some fresh king salmon right off the boat.
So and a friend of mine had a roast and
there's a lot of salad buried beneath it. But yeah,
we had custom salad. My wife's the vegetarians, so we

(24:34):
had a lot of alternatives to meat. And yeah, it
was a feast to say, believe. We had fifteen people
in here and it was a family tradition. We bring
three or four families. The kids have been together since
they were in pre school and we've been doing it
since preschool and now they're all grown up, post college.
Early adults, and it's thanks for messing because it's a

(24:57):
good memory. It's a great tradition we have.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
I'm enough, all right.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
I probably should ask you about this before we wrap
things up. Derek Hall not going to play on Sunday.
What does that mean to the football team.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, he's not only gonna plays. When you're suspended in
the season, you got to go right away from the facility.
You can't be around at all. Mike McDonald said he
was really surprised actually that they suspended him. The appeal
was that he was getting rolled up on from behind
and he was trying to avoid an injury and get
away from that, and he lost his balance and sell

(25:32):
on and stepped on the guy who's trying to step
over him. The NFL didn't buy it. The optics of
it didn't look great, which is why he got suspended.
The NFL, by the way, is really acting more swiftly
here the last month or so in suspending guys. I
mean dkmcguth got suspended a day after it happened. So
did Derek Hall. The jurisprudence usually takes a few more
days or five days. At the end of the week

(25:54):
they're missing an edge dresser who plays in rundowns. And
as though although Derek Hall's numbers have not been there,
he isn't every down type of guy. Now again, Nicki
min wore playing outside linebacker and everywhere. He'll probably be
able to more of an outside linebacker on set Sunday
because Haul isn't in there. But as much as people say,
what's Derek Halled done, He's played all situations for this team.

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And I know Mike ncdhal really likes his aggressiveness and
his mentality. He's just a dog on games. I mean,
he's a bad dude once the game start, and they
will miss that, the mentality of him on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
All right, well when do you leave? When do you
fly out.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Six six am tomorrow? And then trying to race back
Sunday night to get home so I can rejoin my family.
That's gonna be a tough trick postgame North Carolina in
the same game.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Okay, game day, But.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
All right, Well, save travels, enjoy the weekend, and hopefully
we'll chat with you on Monday.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
All right, Happy week I'll be home by Monday, So
happy weekend.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Thanks Gaty, Thanks Greg, Greg bell Arcia Hawks in center again.
Follow him at g belst on Twitter or the Newstribune
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drinking any alcohol yesterday. Really for some reason, I just
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Speaker 5 (27:45):
We took over for you. Don't worry.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Oh good good.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I'm glad somebody out I'm glad somebody.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Out there picked up the slack. I was worried about it.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
I do have one more bottle of Copola Prosecco that
is going to be open because Sunday is a brunch game, right,
a ten AM game.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
Have brunch.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
It's the holiday seasons. You gotta have some proseco while
you're watching the Seahawks while you're eating brunch.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
You mimosa it up.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
No, not with that, No, no, no, okay straight, okay,
maybe a drop of orange juice.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Okay, that's it.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
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Speaker 2 (28:40):
Well, Merry Christmas and a happy football Friday to you all.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's Chuck Powell.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's Ashley Ryan with you here on this Friday.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
That's right. I decided to come back to work for
one day.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Thank you for grace meus with your presence.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
No Bucky Jacobson today though, So it's Ashley and I
until ten o'clock this morning. Hugh Millon's coming your way,
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(29:20):
Nearly as nice as a pair of those David Softy
mall or paints.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I saw him showing off.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Who wouldn't want to wear David's face all over themselves?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
That had to have been a gena idea, I assume so.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Plus she's the only one who calls him David.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
True. Yeah, I knew I did like them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I think we could sell them in the team shop here, Yeah,
KJR and probably sell a few of those.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Which is actually very concerning.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yes, I agree.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I'm not saying that people would wear them to, you know,
high falutin functions, but I think.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
See them wearing them down the street.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, just down the street to the game, just at home,
relaxing comfortably as Softy looks up at you can get
his face on your pants?

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Can you relax comfortably with those on?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
No? No, no, you got to be in party mode. Yeah,
you gotta put those.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Maybe I'll get him for New Year's Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, I loved it good idea, Gina. All right, let's
get it going. Eight top stories of the day for you.
It's the Friday O Show. The Seahawks will be in
action Sunday at ten am against the Carol Line of Panthers.
Greg bell, Our, Seahawks insider, joined us this morning and
gave us his key to victory.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
It's like any other game. The Seahawks are more talented
than this team. They should beat him. They have a
better roster, they're coaching their schemes. They should win this game.
So don't turn the ball over and let the team
get back in it. The turnovers are the great equal
visor in football, and when you don't turn it over,
the better team wins. That's almost always the case home

(30:50):
or away weather conditions, playoff, regular season. If you don't
turn the ball over, the better team almost always wins.
And that's the turnover margin stat in football is so telling.
The Seahawks again have a quarterback who leads the league
in turnovers. Now, I know he's in better over the
last few games, but that's still the issue for this
team to me. As long as they aren't derailed by

(31:12):
giving the ball away, they will beat teams there better
than Yeah, and I think that's gonna be the case
on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, that probably will be.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Both the Seahawks and Panthers have a divisional title on
the line the next two weeks. Unlike Carolina, the Seahawks
have already punched their ticket to the playoffs. Carolina still
has to earn that invitation to the dance. But unlike Carolina,
also unlike Carolina, the Seahawks they don't have a chance

(31:40):
to walk off the field knowing their division champs.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, where Carolina does.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
A Carolina victory and a Tampa Bay loss and they're
both playing the early games on Sunday means the Panthers
have a chance to pay possibly walk off the field
as division champs this year, where the Seahawks would have
to at least wait until Monday night in order to
celebrate that. And I don't think we're gonna have the
chance to celebrate that, not this week.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
No, I think we've got to earn every single ounce
of it. And it's going to take a win this
week and a win next week. So one at a time,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Hawks may start ty O Kata at safety Kobe Bryant injury.
There also we know that Derek Hall's been suspended from
the league for a game and he will not be
available to Mike McDonald and his defense. Meanwhile, Carolina has
activated the window for return for their best offensive lineman,

(32:34):
Robert Hunt, who's been out since week number two of
the season. So they've they've gotten here without their best
offensive lineman and one of their leaders of their clubhouse,
and every article that you read that's being pumped out
by those that cover the beat for the Carolina Panthers
talk about how significant it is to get Robert Hunt,
and he could be the difference between them making the

(32:55):
playoffs and not making the playoffs. But he still has
to play. He s does to be ready to play,
and so, man, you just activated him off of the
IR which he's been on since the second week of
the season. It'd be hard for me to believe he's
going to be ready to play limited practice throughout the
course of the week in time for Sunday's game.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Maybe it's just in time.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
For that crucial Buccaneers game the following week, But there
is a chance Carolina is getting its best offensive lineman back.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Just in case you were wondering.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yeah, I would think it would be making more sense
for them that if it comes down to next week
and that's when they've got to pull out all the
stops to get into the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
That's that's what their plan is.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, would surprise me. Despite being on the road, Vegas
believes and the Seahawks. They are a seven point favorite
heading into this game. NFL Week number seventeen started yesterday
on Christmas Day, and the Denver Broncos they have the
best record in the National Football League right now.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Nick run it and he's gonna run it into the
end zone touchdown right through Hicks.

Speaker 10 (34:07):
At the end of the run, Nick is rolling mix
throw and it's put from the touchdown by R. J.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Harvey. I've been a good week for al Michaels.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Uh boy, he's gotten kind of crushed the last couple
of weeks for his lackluster play by play calls.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Well, and I can see why he has when that
Seahawks Thursday night game should have been like the most
exciting and he could have really stepped it up a bit.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Uh Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Mean Bob Costas had to kind of confront this recently.
You know that maybe I'm not on the top of
my game, and then half the audience doesn't know how
good I used to be.

Speaker 11 (34:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Uh, and man, considering that I'm one of the greatest
broadcasters of all time, really don't want to go out
with people thinking I stink at this job. And yet
that's kind of what's going on without right now. So
for his sake and his reputation, I hope that he
does hang it up after this year. I don't like
seeing Al Michaels and Bob Costas get criticized, even though

(35:12):
their game has slipped considerable well.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
And I think the thing with Al too is it
just sounds like he's uninterested. It's not even like he
just is, you know, messing up and he's trying and
he's got the excitement he I mean, he does not
sound like he cares at all to be there.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I think that's fair. Yeah, I'm not saying that.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I'm not saying that's where he's at, but it comes
off that way.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yes, exactly, And so then it's like, well, you could
fix that on your own, yeah, and it just and
so that's where I get frustrated.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
I'm like, you just don't seem like you have an
interest in this.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Seems like you're just taking a paycheck.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, Bronco's approved to a league best thirteen to three,
as I mentioned, but they still haven't wrapped up their
division either. As a matter of fact, it's going to
come down possibly to the last week of the regular season.
They will host the Los Angeles Chargers. The Chargers will
need a win over Houston and then a win over
the Broncos. So as two really good teams, two hot

(36:10):
teams that the Chargers are going to have to beat
to close out the regular season. But they do have
a chance to still sniper the AFC West. The Vikings
eliminated the Lions from the playoffs yesterday with a twenty
three to ten win. Detroit had six turnovers in the game,
six crazy turnovers. Also, I think Golf got sacked five

(36:30):
times and they were at bad penalties in the game.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
I didn't watch it, but it sounds very much to
me like the.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Detroit Lions kind of knew that their season was over
and they were just not ready to play. Yeah, what
it sounds like against an inferior team to them, But
that inferior team has the exact same record as the
Lions have right now.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
They're both eight and eight on the ear.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
Well and their rivals. You should always be up for
playing arrival.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
You would think you would think some soul searching going
to be done there in Detroit. I know that most
people in the country are rooting for the Lions and
the Bills. If their own team doesn't get the job done,
and yet the Lions, they'll go another year without a
Super Bowl. Dallas won at Washington thirty to twenty three.
And now we get ready for the weekend. Saturday, you're

(37:19):
gonna have a doubleheader. That Chargers Texans game is at
one thirty Saturday, and then Baltimore at Green Bay at
five o'clock. All four of those teams still alive for
a playoff spot. Playoff implications are everywhere in the NFL playoffs. Yeah,
we'll talk about playoffs.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
I got kidding me. Playoffs, Well, why wouldn't I?

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yeah, right, that's what we're discussing, playoffs, Jim Jim.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Every talk show sportscaster is required to play that once.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Here there was our one time check. We got it
in right before thee offs. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, it's reacquired by loaf. I didn't I get fined
by Ieart. I've watched their HR videos.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Yeah, this we every year. I don't listen. I don't
let them play on U y.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, Jacksonville at Indianapolis is the best early game if
it's not us in Carolina. Philadelphia at Buffalo is the
afternoon game of note, and then Sunday night Chicago at
San Francisco. So the Bears are in the playoffs, forty
nine Ers are in the playoffs, but both of those.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Teams still trying to win their respective divisions.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
The NBA on Christmas Day, there was there were five
games that were played yesterday in the National Basketball Association,
and they saved the best performance of the day for last.

Speaker 12 (38:40):
Here's the Joker against go Bear Cross to the left,
hants the sixteen footer.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
See there on the screen.

Speaker 12 (38:48):
The Denver Nuggets oer for five and overtime and there's
a hit out of the time out by the Joker
at three. It's two minutes to go in overtime. You're
feeling it. Forty four points.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
For the chocher.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
He would finish with fifty six in the game, sixteen rebounds,
fifteen assists, just incredible.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Just incredible.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
It's right, and the Nuggets won over Minnesota and over time,
one forty two to one thirty eight five Christmas Day games.
As I mentioned, as the NBA tries to remain the
league synonymous with the holiday.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
The NFL certainly.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Opened the door back up for them yesterday by airing
three subpart matchups with their portion of your holiday viewing,
and they did it on two different streaming networks. I
hope the NBA won this one. I mean, I mean,
I get it. The NFL is king. I love the

(39:47):
NFL that said it, just I mean it. There's some
respect out there.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Ashlely. We talked about this in the last hour. The
NBA tries not to, you know, stomp on March Madness.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
For example, they sort of give March Madness, this is
your time, you know, to college basketball. If the NFL
was playing in March, they'd probably schedule their entire week
on Thursday and Friday just to try to take away
from college basket. But that's just the way they operate.
And I think it's shady and nasty.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah, I know, it doesn't It does seem like a
lot of other leagues like to work together to yeah,
and to enhance all the products, and it does not
seem like the NFL wants to get They just want
to be like.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
No, wait, wait, wait, wait, we're better.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Let's and we don't believe we're better today where our
self esteem is low, so we're going to schedule games
where you have games so we can remind ourselves that
we're better.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
And for the NBA, I hope you did well in
the ratings. Boy, you should have if ever, there was
an opportunity for you to win the day. You had
five good matchups featuring some of your best individual play
to showcase, and the NFL didn't have an interesting game
that they aired that does not for fantasy football. There

(41:08):
wasn't really much interest in any of those host three games.
So I hope for the NBA's sake that they held
their own at least, because.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
If you got crushed by the NFL again, you're never
not going to get crushed. That was your chance. Okay.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
See, by the way, lost to San Antonio again.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
The Spurs are three to.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Zero against the Thunder, who have lost only five games
this year, so three of their five losses to the
same team. Obviously, there's a difficult matchup there for the
Thunder and San Antonio's got a really good chance to
add at the trading deadline, but so does Oklahoma City.
So we might be staring at the best rivalry vigeoning

(41:50):
rivalry for the next few years in the NBA. If
San Antonio is for real, there certainly is a matchup
problem there for the thunder. JJ Reddicks said, and his
team doesn't care enough after a loss to Houston and
then got criticized by NBA players afterwards.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
They're just not accustomed to an NBA coach.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Calling out his players as consistently as what JJ Reddick
does in postgame press conferences. And the next yesterday edged
the Cavs and what was probably the most entertaining game
of the day. All right, item number five on your
road show, your eight top stories of the day, the
Michigan job. Man, it's been lingering. It's been out there,
so many coaches have been rumored. Michigan's not really been

(42:32):
at the forefront of spreading those rumors. They've actually kind
of conducted this thing with some class, and Michigan football
really doesn't operate that way.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Well, they have none.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
But it looks like we're getting really close to this
finally being solved.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
In order to expedite these.

Speaker 11 (42:51):
Negotiations, we are prepared to make you a very generous offer.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
And we are prepared to reject that offer, like we
haven't even heard never at their first offer. What is
your second offer?

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Twelve dollars? Are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 (43:05):
That is insultingly low. I don't even want to hear
who your first offer was.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Well, no, wonder, it's taking a while.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Yeah, that's not going to go well, so.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Are you sitting down?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
The morning started today with the news from Adam Schefter
saying that the new front runner for the head coaching
position at Michigan is Kyle Whittingham, the recently retired utaw
UT's head coach, retired you taught Utes head coach who
remember had had enough And yet apparently the Michigan job

(43:41):
is just that appealing that Kyle Whittingham would be willing
to come out of very short retirement to take the
position as head coach.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Of the Michigan Wolverines. It sounds like he is the singular.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Focus of the athletic department at this point and it's
just a matter of hammering out an agreement today and
Kyle Whittingham will be the next head coach of the Wolverine.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Well.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
I hope their negotiating skills are better than what's happening
at dunder Mifflin.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, I would imagine they're a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
But I tell you, for a sixty six year old
head coach who obviously felt he didn't have the energy
in today's game to keep going, yeah, with where he
was and where he's beloved and where he did a
phenomenal job.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
I'm a big Kyle riting a.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
I don't know many people who aren't.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, to then say to yourself, can I summon the
energy for a bigger program with bigger headaches and bigger responsibilities,
and at age sixty six starts something brand new? And oh,
by the way, I've got to fix a few broken
things in the program as well, because the last two
head coaches that were in charge kind of left the

(44:47):
damn thing in shambles.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Yeah, that's the thing. I don't understand.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
You had a great thing the way you were being
at Utah and then leaving. Nobody could fault you for
retiring and being tired. It was twenty one years, Like,
kudos to you, and then all of a sudden you're like, oh,
maybe I'm not too tired for Michigan. Now It's like, well, No,
there's no way that that just changed all of a sudden,
unless you were just not feeling Utah anymore.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Well, I would think that Kaylin de Boor if he
really did want to stay at Alabama this entire time,
then he'll be relieved to have this thing filled. I
would think Jed Fish the same way.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I'm hoping that he's not bitterly disappointed because he wanted
the job the whole time and just didn't want to
tell us.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
I hope there is good.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Finally, I'm gonna be out from underneath this thing and
I can focus on Washington Husky's football.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
But who knows?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
So that saga could come to an end today we
shall see. Speaking of Washington football, Since last we spoke,
Denzell Boston entered the NFL Draft, No surprise there, He's
gonna be a first round pick, and the college football
Playoff is going to resume on New Year's Eve. Just
out of nowhere, the Seattle crack and decided, Hey, we're

(46:00):
just not gonna lose anymore.

Speaker 10 (46:02):
The call long lead feet broken up, Tobenen got on
ahead Everley with the empty ninety Scarss sword, and every
flip boards delivers a.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Big blow and it could.

Speaker 10 (46:16):
Be the final one thirty five second slept in regulation
as every breaking the time with back to back goals
and the Krack and take a three to one lead.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
World's nicest human Mike Benton, I mean, who would win that?
Between him, Everett and.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
Al being the nicest.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, Like they're the three nicest human beings and they're
all on our Cracking broadcast together.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
We got a nice team.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah, I got a nice team. Get a nice, nice
group of group of fellas.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah, the Kracking have won three straight, this after dropping
ten of eleven games and losing several key players to
injuries during that stretch of bad play. And yet now
all of a sudden they can't lose, right, they will
try to make it four in a row Sunday at
five when they host the Philadelphia Flyers. And finally, I

(47:06):
have not had a chance to talk about this. I
know that Ashley and Bucky have, but the Mariners have
signed Rob Refsnyder, as you know, to a one year deal,
and that is ref Sneider, not Rob Snyder.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
You can do it. Yeah, no, no, not.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
The same person, yeah, remotely spelled the same. So I
have not had a chance to weigh in on this,
and I will do it next. There's your O show,
your eight top stories of the day right here on
Chuck and Bock Sports.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Radio ninety three point three kJ R f M.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
That's what I tapped into a toad tapping Christmas.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
Oh yeah, I got a bunch of them are best
of shows.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Oh great.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
You need a little fun holiday ish music without being
too christmas y.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
You know, some people don't want to hear Christmas music.
It's not Christmas anymore.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I think it's a pretty good strategy.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Thank you, I thank you.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
It's Chuck Powell, It's Ashley Ryan with you. No Bucky
Jacobson today. It is a Football Friday sponsor by Tito's
Handmade Vodka. And we got Hugh Millen coming on the show.
We got Mike Sando filling in for Mike Holmgren today
at nine thirty since we didn't get the chants to
chat with Mike on Thursday. And we also have a
little baseball here that I would like to discuss. I

(48:41):
did tune into the show one time while I was
taking my two days off, and I heard you both
talking about Rob Refsnyder. That's what I heard you talking
about Yeah, and I have not had a chance to
talk about it. We haven't recorded an episode of Stove
Anders and I yet regarding this, So I have not
had a chance to discuss the signing of Rob Refschneider.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
And it's crazy. I mean, maybe some could track it.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Up to the holiday season and everybody's just filled with mirth.
But I think this has more to do with Look
what happens when you have a season like the Mariners had,
when Cal Rawley becomes a superstar and you make the
playoffs with some wiggle room, and you win the division
and you make it all the way to the ALCS.

(49:30):
How much the fan base's perception changes, and the media
as well, about how much more credit they give the
organization when the organization seems to be on a hot
streak right now. Because I cannot even believe. I'm not
saying you're wrong. I can't even believe the love for

(49:53):
this Rob Refschneider deal. Yeah, when I've been here ten years,
you people have never liked signing a platoon player to
a free agent contract.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Yeh Ever, eh, Ever, if the Mariners would not have
signed Josh Naylor already, and this was the first thing
they'd done. They wouldn't have if they wouldn't have signed
Josh Naylor yet Jorge Polanco was gone and they signed
Rob Refsneider, people would be losing there.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
You know what, I.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Don't know, maybe not because they were losing their you
know What's anyway, every time anybody ever suggested spending any
money on a platoon player, I mean, I got news
for you. This is no different than Aj Pollock. Yeah,
I mean, same age, thirty four years old. And Pollock
actually had a better slugging percentage when he came here,

(50:46):
and Mariner.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Fans hated Aj Pollock. Yeah, that's signing.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
And Mitch Garver hit three p forty four against lefties
the year before he came here, had a five hundred
on base percent. Oh no, a night ops. So yeah,
Rob Reschneider has a reputation of crushing left handed pitching
and he did it as recently as this season.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
And for me, I get the signing. I don't think
there's any way to love the signing, but yeah, I
get how that works and that improves things.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
For the for the Mariners this year.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
But it is amazing how a little bit of success
and a little bit and an Executive.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Of the Year award.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, and some momentum and people being able to see
the forest for the trees here in the last three months,
with this organization, with this particular front office, and now
all of a sudden, signing a platoon thirty four year
old short side platoon outfielder is suddenly a wonderful thing.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
The Mariner fans and media are celebrating throughout the city.
It's hilarious.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
Well, and imagine being in the Mariner's front office.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
They're like, wait a minute, guys, if we would have
done this years ago, we could have had this success
years ago.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
We would have saved ourselves a lot of grief.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
We should remember this.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Now.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
The move itself, yeah, I get it. I mean I
do wonder how it is going to impact others already
on the roster, because I am imagining that your right
field is ref Schneider and canzone splitting that like just
a full fledged platoon. Does that mean Victor Roblaze is

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on the outside looking in? Does that mean Victor Roblaze
moves over to left field and a Rose Arena who's
not as good a defender becomes your full time DH
since you don't currently have one of those people on
the roster at this point. I don't hate that idea.
Is it a combination of all of it? Is it

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just going to be rotational? Uli Oh plays every day
at center field, you know that. But the five of them,
because you also have Luke Rayley still in the picture here,
And I don't think we should give up on Luke Rayley.
I mean, he had a he had two really good
years as a Mariner and then he had a terrible
one this past year. It's not like he's thirty five
years old. He could bounce back from it. You know,

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maybe he's a year older. Maybe sleeping through the night.
Maybe that's what caused Luke Rayley to have a bad
year this year. Who knows. But between those five guys, you're,
you know, can Zone, Refsnyder, Roeblaze a rose Arena, and
Rayley and you're rotating them through the two corner outfields,
and the DH with a rose arena the only one

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you're playing every day, whether he's d H or left field,
whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
But he plays every day.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
So that that that to me, is the question that
comes out of this because there's no question that Rob
Refsnyder's gonna play against left handers. That's the re that
he's here. And I'll say this about him as well.
He came up as an infielder, became an outfielder. He's
kind of muscle bound, and he's pretty athletic.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
He's thirty four years old. He's not the speed guy.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
He was once upon a time, but he is good
for like two show stopping, sensational defensive plays every single year.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Okay, and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I haven't watched him enough to know if he consistently
plays like a gold Glove caliber outfield, but I'll tell
you this, he will make two of the best catches
you'll see all season long.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
He does it every damn year of his career. So
I like it.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
But then I saw the merits to the Pollock move. Yeah,
and I saw the didn't love it. Didn't love the
Pollock move, didn't love the Garverer move, but I saw
the merits to it.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
And that's how I feel about Rev. Snyder.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
I see the merits to this signing, but there's no
way to love this signing. I don't think that it.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Changes the entire game for the Sea Mariners.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
It's just a good, cheap, one year signing that should
make you a slightly better team in certain situations than
what you've been in the past. And I think once
you've established yourself as a quality we feel like we
are a playoff team and it's about winning the World Series.
Once you've established that, and I think that's where we are,

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then little tiny moves like this that are just slight
adjustments seem to score better.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Ye with even the most frustrated of fan bases when
they feel when they do buy into all right, we're
moving in the right direction and now all of a
sudden something they've tried several times and everyone hated.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Now the reaction is great move, really smart.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Wow, these guys are genius, really clever. Wonder Jerry One
Executive of the Year.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Pres Nyer is a good player, kills lefties.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
I totally get why Dan Wilson the top three a
Manager of the Year.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Guys, they're really really onto something, all right, and I
don't and I.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Think that it absolutely takes you out of the running
for anybody else outfield wise. I think right now they're
going to add another bat. It's going to be a
third basement or second base, and maybe somebody.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
That does both. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I think they are still in the market for another bat,
one that could play every day. But I think you're
down to either third base or second base.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
That's the only mystery that remains all right. Coming up
next on the radio program, before we bring Hugh Milling
up at nine o'clock, we'll just take a look at
that NFL playoff picture as it sort of.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
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Speaker 6 (56:45):
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Speaker 1 (57:08):
Mike Sander will be joining us later on this hour.
We'll do one.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Last thing to close out the week. Joining us now
though the staple of our Friday nine o'clock hour, it
is x's and o's with our QB one Hugh Millon.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Merry Christmas here, Merry Christmas, good to be with you.
How was it? How did everything go? Did you get
a cho choo train? Did you get the everything I wanted? Figured?

Speaker 11 (57:30):
Adult sons were home from the East Coast, both of them,
and and had some friends also, So yeah, it was.
It was wonderful. Okay, very good to be.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
At that point. You know, some point, just the presence
of your kids is all you need, is that right? Okay?

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, I need more than that. I need more than
the presence of your kids. You need the presence from
your kids.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
Presents your kids, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I need ones expensive one.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
My point is I need your kids to buy me
some presents next year. Okay, we'll work. Yeah, yeah, pass
that message along. Was on for that present. Yeah, I
wasn't very happy with coming this year, okay, perfect? All right, Well,
we could get a scenario where the Seahawks are division
champs at the end of this week. I'm rooting for

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a win in a Rams and forty nine Ers tie.
That's how I want to get it done. But this
Carolina team has a lot to play for themselves. I mean,
this is pretty much their super Bowl the next couple
of weeks. I don't think that they're entertaining any visions
of grandeur about being a super Bowl champion this week,
but be a nice accomplishment for them here the next

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couple of weeks. To win the division would show a
lot of progress. But it's hard for me to find
anything dangerous about this team. What would you highlight about
Carolina that is something worth chewing on here this morning.

Speaker 11 (58:52):
I think there what's interesting to me is that over
the last nine weeks they've gone win loss, win, loss, win, loss,
et cetera, and they've got some of the more impressive
wins in the entire NFL season. I can just remember
my reaction when they went to Green Bay and beat
the Packers when the Packers had acquired Micah Parsons and

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everybody thought they were rolling. And then they're win at
home against the Rams that where they scored thirty one points.
That was one of the most shocking wins. So I
think that they have I don't know. I don't know
if that constitutes a high ceiling for them just to
have a couple of impressive games. But I think that

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there's a environment the Seahawks are going into with the
as you suggest that, the idea they think, with all
of their recent woes, how many times have they had
the number one overall? You know, they traded it, remember
they traded it to Chicago, But they've had.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Number one overall back to back and they've just really
been down.

Speaker 11 (59:58):
So I think at that fan base when you think
of what this remember now what the Seahawks are.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
They're the number one seed in the NFC. So that
a number one seed.

Speaker 11 (01:00:07):
Coming into your building when you think you can kind
of just wash away some of your recent history, I
think there you're going to get all of the Panthers
effort and all of that crowds effort, and it's going
to be potentially a difficult environment.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
It's not been a great year for short quarterbacks this year,
but Bryce Young has at least, it seems, salvaged his career.
I mean it was not looking good last season. I
mean they benched him last season in the middle of
the year and it was looking like a bust at
the number one overall selection. But he's played much better
this year. Where does Bryce Young give you trouble? If

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you're Mike McDonald's defense.

Speaker 11 (01:00:49):
Well, he's a twitchy playmaker in the pocket as would
be needed at that height, right, and I think that
for the you know, they've just got better people around him.
I think Teed McMillan is a guy that you know,
we had talked about maybe the Seahawks targeting him, that
big receiver out of Arizona, and he's really come on.
And and so I think that's probably the uh the

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as much of a reason for anything. The tackles are
playing better. They still have some problems. They're somewhat like Seattle.
Their worst offensive line positions are center and right guard.
But uh but and then you know they've got this
Rico doubtle that you know, it's kind of emerged, an
undrafted guy that almost like a folk hero type guy

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in some of his uh he's he's had again high
ceiling for him. Some of the best games by a
running back in the NFL, he's had a couple of them.
So so I think that there's some better people around him.
But you know, he's still a guy that does not
have overwhelming arm strength, and and he will be inclined
to kind of back up in the face of pressure.
And when he's backing up, where there are some players

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in this league that have the arm talent to still
generate velocity, you know, from a compromise position. When I
say compromise, I mean you can't have the kinetic chain,
you know, the weight transfer that you would like. When
he doesn't get his weight transfer, he doesn't have a
strong arm, there may be an opportunity to get some
hands on some balls that that are floating by a

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relative scale with him if you get the right pressure
in his face.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah, you really don't see a lot of five foot
nine inch pocket quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
In the NFL.

Speaker 11 (01:02:28):
No, No, well they're not going to see. Like, let's
if we're going to really dissect this issue. And you know,
I've given more thought to it because Russell Wilson was
the once to see our quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
But but.

Speaker 11 (01:02:40):
There's going to be times, you know, where you don't
see how there was a time where I was asking
all the the quarterbacks I had encountered a new through
the years, uh, you know Lway Morino, guys I played with,
you know, rich Gannon, other guys, Danny White, you know,
just anytime I saw a quarterback say hey, what a
time out of one hundred times in the pocket, could.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
You not see what you want to see?

Speaker 11 (01:03:03):
And and and they're all their answers right around thirty
to forty percent. And these are big dudes, right, and
and so if if a guy sixty three sixty four
can only you know, could couldn't, can't see a third
of the time that he'd want, well, you know it's
obviously more than a third of a time for a

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shorter quarterback. So so I don't think that can be debated.
There's times where you can't see what you want to see.
The guys who play well at a shorter height, it's
what do they do when they can't see well? Often
the answer to that question is how do they playoff
script and move around? And do they feel comfortable playing

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late in the down potentially with receivers having broken off
their routes and now you're playing sandlight ball. Guys who
have a good intuition to feel they can play at
that height well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
And let's say that you are a five nine inch
quarterback at one point too. It just was in the
third way.

Speaker 11 (01:03:59):
Yeah, I didn't have any trouble seeing back then when
I was five to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Okay, I'm seeing over everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
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Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
It just feels like one of those games.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Just you take care of your business, don't worry about them,
You play your game, your seattle, and you you come
away with this victory, which might be essential in terms
of your goals for this season. So where does it
Where does it begin with a Seahawks win? What do
you want to make sure that you see out of

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this football team?

Speaker 11 (01:04:35):
So well, you know, I look at Carolina and I'm
I'm looking at all these stats, you know, the NFL
stat portable portal, Excuse me, they have scores of these stats,
and I'm just looking at all the rankings, and and
it's amazing how much the Panthers are clustered in the
load of mid twenties. You know, points twenty seventh, the

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yards twenty fifth, that's accessible drive score percentage twenty three,
red zone fish and see twenty fifth. You know, here's
a stat that I think could play a factor Seattle defensively,
third down EPA. That's expected points. We've seen that emerge.
Seattle's number one. Carolina is thirty first, you know, so

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I think there may be some opportunities to extend some
drives there for the Seahawk offense. I think it's for Seattle.
It's it's as it always is. It's can you can
the offensive line block? And you know, I don't think
there's a great second great defensive line. On paper, Seattle

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is clearly the more dominant team. I think they just
have to handle the most. I think the part of it,
probably the biggest challenge is that they played the Rams
in the last game. I'm glad they got the three
or four extra days because emotionally it's hard to fill
your tank, particularly now they have the knowledge that they
have the game next week at San Francisco, probably for

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the division. So this, in theory would be a sandwich game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
And so.

Speaker 11 (01:06:08):
I think that they just mostly have to be ready
for the environment they're going into, and they're the better team.
They just have to bring their competitiveness.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Well, if you're saying offensive line needs to play, well,
what did you think of Josh Jones filling in for
Charles Cross? And what if he has to do that
until the playoffs?

Speaker 11 (01:06:25):
Yeah, reports are leading to that. I think that I
feel really good. I think back in August I was saying,
this guy, whoever seventy four is?

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
I hadn't done my homework, so who is this?

Speaker 11 (01:06:38):
Well, okay, we acquired him from the Ravens, but I
didn't know that until I was after I was watching
seventy four and ut, this guy looks really good, Like,
this guy looks like the best backup tackle we've had
in a long long time because at the time you'd say, well,
he's not projected to start right, and of course he wasn't.
But you know, whether it's Stone Forsyth or uh, you know, fan,

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I mean, all the guys that we've had that have
had to fill in at the tackle position during those injuries,
I think Josh Jones has been the best, and he
kind of showed it the other night. So I feel
as good as I could could be with a backup
left tackle.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Sam Donald does.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
I mean you always hear this, the guy established the
run game, But is this the type of game where
you know, maybe you don't even need it that if
Sam plays his game, you should handle the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Well, I think so.

Speaker 11 (01:07:34):
I think that first of all with Donald that I
think there's a discussion we need to have if you'll
allow me to wade into shark infested waters. Okay, regarding
Sam Donald and who are the sharks? You know who
the sharks are? You and everybody who's listening who's been

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a football fan for a long time, Okay, because you're
you're probably in trench like everybody, and the idea you
can't throw interceptions. Now, I said that to get your attention,
because I'm not about here to say you can you
know that it's fine to throw interceptions, But I think
that there's a there's a multi layer discussion to be
had about where Mike McDonald would be with regards to

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Donald and the interceptions, and and it's centered around this.
If you look at everybody says, well, turnover margin is
the you know, the your number one factor for winning. Well,
actually it's not. You take the I'm gonna just go
over the last three years and you just go correlation

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is This is real simple. Uh, you don't have to
have robust Excel skills. You just put all the stats
in and then you you sort for the the win
percentage column and and you write a correlation uh formula
with the correlation function and and and this is what
you have turnover margin. And think of it when I'm

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about to say, I'm kind of gonna use terms like that.
Sounds like a batting average. Okay, you know three thirty five,
that's a great batting average. Well, three thirty five is
not a high correlation. So correlation kind of lives in
that world between zero and one. Well, batting average lives
in the world between zero one. Because right, because if
you're too if you're two seventy five hitter, really it's

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expressed with that decimal point two seventy five.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
So it's got me.

Speaker 11 (01:09:26):
So if you look at over the last three years
that the correlation for turnover margin for a football team
is five to eighty all right, the intersection differential is
five point fifty five. So whoa, those are big numbers
because you think of a bad batting average. No, that's
just moderate correlation. We're going to get into some higher

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correlation when we go passer rating passerrating differential the difference
between your passer rating on your team versus the opponent.
Now we're up to seven ninety three, and for this
season it's eight oh four yards per attempt differential seven eighteen. Okay,
yards per play differential six ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:10:14):
Here's here's just a side note for for rushing rushing
yards the UH, rushing yards per play only has a
two to seventy five correlation, but total rushing yards has
a six thirty seven. Makes sense, when you're winning, you
run the ball to assault the game way right. But
getting back to turnover margin, just interception differential has a

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five point fifty five and passer rating has a seven
ninety three. Well, you say, doesn't interception percentage? Isn't that
part of the passer rating? AT's one fourth. If if
you're gonna have the passer rating differential have such a
high correlation winning, that means the other three components are
really really damn important. And those are yards per attempt,

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touchdown percentage, and completion percentage and and so and then
if you go if you go to an individual that
was with the team, those are differentials.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Then if you go to.

Speaker 11 (01:11:13):
The the NFL quarterbacks, you say, interceptions, well it has a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
A negative.

Speaker 11 (01:11:23):
Of trying to decide how much I should explain, there's
negative correlation and positive correlation. So when one goes up
and the other one goes up. You know, hot days
go up, ice cream sales go up, that's positive correlation.
Hot days go up, hot chocolate days go down, that's
negative correlation. Got me, so, But interceptions has an you'd

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expect it to have a negative, but it's only one
seventy three. This is now for the players. But EPA
per dropback it has a six forty eight. Adjusted net
yards per attempt has a six seventy three So Sam
Darnold is third in the NFL at a statistic that
has a six to seventy three correlation to winning, and

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he's he's near the bottom in a correlation that's only
one seventy three. The closer yard of zero is statistically insignificant. Uh,
yards for dropbacks, Sam Donald's number one in the NFL.
Let me repeat that yards for drop back Sam Donald
is number number one in the NFL, and that that
stat has a six sixty three correlation to winning. So

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are we gonna Are we gonna neuter a guy's ability
to generate big plays down the field, so that so
we're gonna we're gonna diminish a factor that has a
six sixty three win correlation so that we can improve
on a statistic that has a one seventy three correlation.

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That doesn't make sense, And I don't think it's made
sense to Mike McDonald. So when you hear Mike McDonald say, hey,
we're just gonna keep letting it, say let a rip,
you know, let a rip.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Hey, We're fine. He's our dude, Like you're.

Speaker 11 (01:13:02):
Your second in this in the NFL and points scored
and and you're first in the NFL in wins, and
your quarterback is first in the NFL in yards per dropback.
So we want to sit there and say, oh my god,
let's let's turn over the apple cart and and and
fix this interception thing. And when you hear Mike McDonald like,

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pump the brakes not so fast, that's not my philosophy.
I'm I'm not saying that he that he would recite
all of this what I've recited with correlations, but I
bet he has a pretty good grasp either intuitively or
the numbers he's been shown. Yeah, well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Know that you are just lumping me in by saying
you with like the Sharks being in the media.

Speaker 11 (01:13:47):
I'm me, no, not, no, this is the fans.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Because because I do need to explain this, because I
mean it is a is you know, my show. So
I but I have been I have been on the
let it Rip. I've been in the let let it
Rip club. So I know you know that I'm just
the way that it came off, you were putting me
in the other category, it sounded.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Like to the listener.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
So I just want to make sure that people know
on the Chuck and Buck Show that I've been in
the let it Rip club, because I will live with
an interception per game if it means I get all
of that other excellent quarterback playof've gotten from Sam Donald
this year.

Speaker 11 (01:14:23):
I will vouch for that. You've absolutely been in that camp.
So that that was me poorly laying that out. What
I meant is the shark confessed waters. I was throwing
myself in. I was throwing all the listeners that when
when I the onset of this portion of the conversation,
when I'm I'm gonna go in, I'm gonna basically, I'm
thinking to myself, I'm gonna I'm gonna get on the

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radio and I'm gonna gonna tell a lot of people
who know a lot about football and have been watching
football for years and decades. I'm gonna get on and
I'm gonna tell them, hey, don't worry about Sam Donald's interception.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Is that it?

Speaker 11 (01:14:56):
And I was like, WHOA, that sounds like swimming in
shark infested waters. And guess who's in the Who's one
of the sarks?

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Myself?

Speaker 11 (01:15:03):
Because I'm a fan, Like like to me, when I
look at these numbers, I I I said, WHOA. You
know I've been told my whole life. You know, Uh,
interceptions don't do it right, and and so any of it. No,
you're right, you have been saying that. But I so
let's let's all. The conclusion that I'm trying to say
is that that, yes, we want to limit those interceptions,

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but it's a very very delicate process. And and and
you cannot throw the hammer down on Sam donald and
say stop the effing interceptions above all else, stop the
effing interceptions, because guess what, he can and he would
and Mike McDonald doesn't want that. And I don't think you,

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as a Seattle Seahawk fan, want that, right because you're
you're the unwanted consequences are there, and it's it's it's
it's baked into football, and it's a very tough thing
to be an NFL quarterback and be in a pocket
and you're in micro hundreds of a second, you're sitting
there thinking to yourself, this is this past gonna work?

(01:16:10):
When I hit JSN and he comes in between the
second basement and the third basement, those are the hook
defenders in his zone defense under when he went goes
into that window, am I gonna have a shot?

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
And if you sit there and go, I gotta see it.
I got to see it before I really want to
turn it loose. I got to see it. I got
to see it. I gotta see it's got to be
wide open.

Speaker 11 (01:16:27):
If you're playing with any kind of paralysis like that,
you will never hit that window, right, You'll never hit
that window. So it is a very delicate process when
we're talking about dialing down a quarterback's interceptions. Who has
been this robust at producing big plays and points and
all the rest and wins. Yeah, the guys the winningness,

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The guy's the winningness quarterback in the NFL over this
year is tied for first. Over the last two years,
he's number one, and over the last four years, folks,
since twenty twenty two, Am Darnold has the highest win
percentage in the NFL. And of those five and you know,
Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen are right behind him. But
if the guys in the top five, he's the only

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one who has a triple digit passer rating, Like like,
let's let's please pump the brakes on, you know, just
crapping on the guy because we all want him to
throw fewer interceptions.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Anyways, I think I've made my point. Yeah, you all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
I mean, ideally you want your quarterback to be Tom Brady.
But if I have my second choice, I'm probably going
Brett Farv. And I'm not saying he's either one of
those guys, but but but far through a lot of interceptions, but.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
He also made so many big plays. You live a little.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Bit with with the mistakes because of how much you've
gained from the way he plays.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
You've been preaching that. Yeah, yes, I will vouch for that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
So in other words, we want four touchdown passes and
one interception from saying every.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Sunday if I told you that, would you take it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
I would take that. Yeah, let me have I don't
even know. I'll even throw in a fumbled snap.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Yeah. Hey, whatever he's been doing has been working.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Yeah, exactly. All right, Uh, sag with you, sir. We'll
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Speaker 13 (01:18:34):
M here, I thought I wasn't gonna get a chance
to chat with Mike Sando this week.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
That's right, fell right lap joining us now is our
NFL insider on.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
A Friday, and on a Thursday, it is Mike Sando
of the of the Athletic. How are you, sir?

Speaker 14 (01:19:09):
I'm pretty good. This is definitely a week where I
have no idea what day it was. I was like,
shooting day, agree to do something today. I thought it
was Monday, you know, I'm like, oh, no, it's Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
So it is definitely just good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
It's the most mondayest feeling on a Friday I've ever
had in my entire life.

Speaker 14 (01:19:25):
That's good, though, because you get a weekend coming.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
It's been a really hard, grueling week of day of work.
So now now I get ready for to relax this weekend. Well,
did you have a good holiday?

Speaker 14 (01:19:38):
Absolutely good? Yep, A lot to be grateful for and absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Okay, well excellent, And now you got a bunch of
football to watch tomorrow and then the Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Let's start with the local club. What do you think?
I mean, Carolina Panthers. How weird are they this year?

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
But they've got more incentive, I suppose than what even
the Seahawks do on Sunday. They actually walk off the
field as division champs. The Seahawks can't do.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
That on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
What is it about them that they've found ways to
be in this thing?

Speaker 14 (01:20:11):
So they're ranked like twenty third twenty fourth on each
side of the ball, so that you know they have
a better record than their performance would indicate. I think
what they've done is, you know, before they they were
just kind of incompetent and they just could get rolled.
I think they've been more competitive. I think that their

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offense on its best day can get some things going. Now,
I still don't think they're a very good team. I
think it's an interesting matchup a little bit because Dave
Canalis as their head coach, he spent a lot of
time in Seattle, and he's not going up against Pete Carroll,
his mentor, but he's still going up against Seattle. Dan
Morgan as their general manager, you know, longtime Seattle for

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an office guys, so they're gonna I'm sure they've been
paying attention watching the Seahawks a little bit more than
they watched other teams outside their division. There's been some
talk that, hey, they don't really have to win this game.
The big game next week for them is against Tampa
that's going to decide the division.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:21:08):
I think they probably still need to play it and
you know, try to string together as many good games
as they can. But I think Seattle's defense should be
way too much for them, and they have a little quarterback,
you know, just to me, it just feels like this
should be should be if Seattle's got that great defense,
a little bit of a bully game for them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
It's not been a good year for little quarterbacks. Bryce
Young has had the best year of them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
And he's and I'll give him credit, I mean, because
it looked like he was heading toward Bustville last year,
but he's bounced back, and boy, his teammates seemed to
love him there in Carolina.

Speaker 14 (01:21:43):
Well, that's one of the interesting things that I heard
behind behind the scenes there last year was you know,
he got benched only two games into Dave Canals' tenure
last year and looked like he was about done. But
for whatever reason, I heard that he kind of became
a different guy from a leadership standpoint, from an accountability standpoint.
After that, he kind of snapped into maybe his best self.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Now.

Speaker 14 (01:22:06):
I still think he's limited, and I think there's thirty
one teams that would love to see the Panthers sign
him to a big two A type contract, right, So
I think that still will be interesting to see what
do they do now, because typically when you draft a
guy that high first from the draft and he's quote
unquote successful, like they get paid a lot. But he's

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not that guy, right, He's not the top guy. So
I think that'll be fascinating to see how they handle that.
I think he's he's a nice story. I don't think
anyone's afraid to play him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I feel.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Yesterday's the results a couple of interesting things. I mean, well,
I just did not see the Detroit Lions. I mean
I didn't buy the They've lost both coordinators they're in
trouble and yet to be eight and eight and out
of the playoffs entirely. What kind of offseason do you
expect Detroit to have? What kind of look in the
mirror kind of moment do you expect from them?

Speaker 14 (01:23:08):
We're going to find out how arrogant they are?

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:23:10):
I think this is they've shown a lot of confidence
and they've done a really good job. But I've always sensed,
you know, Brad Holmes has kind of gotten he's air GM.
You came from the Rams, and he's a all everything
I've heard, a great guy, but he's kind of had
this attitude of like rushing off criticism and questions because
they've gotten the last laugh to this point, Right, So,

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how honest do you have to be with where you
are when you have this type of a season.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
And I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (01:23:39):
Because it's not like they went they won four games,
It's not like Jared Goff had a terrible year. Shoot
his stats look great. Yeah, So this is one of
those tester years where I feel like, do they show
some arrogance And it may not just be arrogance, that
may be hey, stay the course, right, don't panic if
it works out, But clearly they need an offensive coordinator.

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I think their offensive line must be addressed because as
we've seen firsthand when Jared Goff was in the division
here playing for the Rams, there's almost no one who
can look as good or as bad depending what his
protection is. Wouldn't you agree?

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:24:17):
Yeah, whether like, this guy needs to be in a
temperature controlled office with you know, you know, with his
favorite brand of water and a bowl of his favorite
kind of Eminem's there, and there needs to be no noises.
And when he does that, he's like the most he's

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as efficient a worker as as mahomes. But when you
start making him play in the mud or his his
protection isn't there, he can suddenly look very different. And
so I think they have to make sure the line
is where it starts, because that remember when the Rams
got rid of him, it was after their best line
kind of atrophied. Remember they had that great line Andrew

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Whitworth all those guys, and then it kind of went
away and they're like, oh, what's wrong with GoF It's
not the same. I think they got to do that
first and foremost it's their whole identity through Dan Campbell
controlling land of scrimmage. They've lost their center for years
and Frank ragnow you know they may have a tackle issue.
They've drafted a couple of young guards that may or
may not be the guy fix it, Brad Holmes, Dan Campbell,

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and then you may have a better year next year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Mike McDonald, Liam Cohen or somebody else for Coach of
the Year.

Speaker 14 (01:25:29):
I think it's hard to go against Mike Rabel. I
think I need right about this a little bit. Well,
if you go into the year of what everybody thought
of the teams were, you know, you would have said
Newellan could have been a bottom three team in their division.
And so the things I like about what he's done is, Okay,
getting the absolute best out of this quarterback. And he's

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not an offensive coach Forrabel, but he's got Josh McDaniels there.
That's a great guy to have running your offense. And
then things like this Stefan Diggs difficult guy to deal with.
He's having a great year, like he's coaching that team
to play well together to get it. I think he's
got good leaders and I think Drake may is a

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good young leader. Like they've got something going there to
where I think they have as good a chance as
anyone to make a deep run in the AFC.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Yeah, well, a lot of good candidates for it to
including Canalis in Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
All Right, man, Well, every every day there's football on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
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Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Every Thank you every day.

Speaker 14 (01:26:34):
Oh, every day that I do is well said yeah,
Well said yeah, I should just shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
He said it so well, and I tried to correct you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Thank joy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
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