Best of Chuck & Buck 12-9

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm starting to wonder if we should acknowledge Christmas being
better than the Winter meetings. Finally, you know, that's that's
where I'm coming from this morning. It is, Yeah, financially better.
Christmas is great. Why don't we give it more attention
than we do the Winter meeting? Why do we get
all fired up for the Winter meetings? Wouldn't you say we?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
You mean you?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I mean the American public.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
I think most people recognize that Christmas is much better
than the Winter meetings.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh and right now, witness this year for sure.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Always even put a prospect or a new player under
my tree right now, and I have like a multiple
presents under the tree for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, mariners are involved a lot of different conversations out there,
and so we'll dive into some of the rumors here.
And then every single insider that's there and it's killing
like twelve hours of programming on MLB network with no
moves to react, is saying that it's about to pop.

(01:03):
And maybe it doesn't happen in time for the Winter meetings,
but they all believe that the market is going to
move faster than it has in past years, and certainly
that there are a bunch of trades that are being
lined up right now, so Mariners are involved in a
lot of things. They actually have pulled off. The only
trade it wasn't at the Winter meetings, but it was

(01:24):
right before the Winter meetings. We talked about it a
little bit yesterday, but Ford versus farrr E the trade
that we made with the Washington Nationals to give up
Harry Ford the prospect for jose A Ferrara, a left
handed relief pitcher. We did have a little bit of
time talk about it yesterday. I'll just quickly reiterate my thoughts.

(01:46):
I mean, I think that one, we didn't get as
much back for Harry Ford as I thought we would
or could. Two, they're certainly is value in getting a
lefty reliever who might be on the verge of turning
into something very useful for a Major League Baseball team
that you have a lot of control over. So I

(02:07):
get why they were interested in him. And number three,
I think maybe you know, because we like Harry Ford
so much, we saw him be a prospect for so long,
maybe even we overvalued him because I can promise you,
Jerry justin every general manager out there is not taking
less in a trade for a guy like this was
what they felt was the best that they could get
for Harry Ford.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, and I thought that there was more, probably more
meat left on that bone just but you're right, it
probably was more of us like in the story, like
in the kid and then watching him, you know, kind
of keeping tabs on him as he was coming up
to the minor leagues.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Now, obviously with you know, with.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Cal flourishing into the dude that he is, then there
was no place for it, right. You didn't know that
Cal was going to be the dude he is when
you ended up drafting Harry Ford. A few years after
you you'd drafted him, and so there comes appointment. He's like, well,
let's get what we can for him. I mean to me,
there's I don't know for sure if he most certainly
hasn't reached the ceiling yet. He hasn't even had much

(03:08):
of an opportunity at the big league level. So to me,
it's like, I think you could have possibly kept him around,
let him, you know, catch you know, once twice a
week and maybe d h if he's swinging a little bit,
and then you could probably his stock could have rose
and you maybe could have got more of what we
thought right, because I was picturing him as as the
guy that maybe is going to be able to hit

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at the big league level and catch and run. But
the way it is now, it's he's gone. And yet
they did get a what I'm thinking is going to
be a pretty good picture out of the b open
for US.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Ford said yesterday that he was sort of devastated by
the news, but also excited to be with a young team.
He's going to be surrounded by a lot of guys
that are young like him, there's no question about it,
and can build something there. So Harry's very nice, very
good young man, and so we wish him the best
and hopefully this jose A Ferrera is what Jerry and

(03:58):
Justin think that he is is, because I don't want
to go through Gregory Santos again. Mitch Garver, though, suddenly
becomes the talk about who's going to back up cal
again this year, And just when you thought you were out,
they pulled you back in.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
And I've had a couple of conversations with people on
Twitter about it, and I get the idea of if
they did bring him back, he's not going to be
making twelve million dollars a year, which he obviously didn't
live up to that over the last couple of years.
I just don't want to see it anymore. He's a
good dude. I know he's respected in the clubhouse. He's
one of those veteran guys. I just don't want to
see it anymore. And I don't even care if it's

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once a week in backup catching duty. I don't really
care for him behind the dish. He knows the staff,
and so I think he calls a good game. I
don't think he blocks particularly well. I don't think he
throws particularly well, and I can't stand the way that
he approachesn't at bat. And so, yes, there's other options
out there, not that there's a bunch of great dudes

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that are bringing a lot to the table.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
But I'm sure you could.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Go out and find somebody in pay him a million
bucks or a couple million bucks, and I wouldn't. They
probably aren't going to go up there battling for walks.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I don't think you got to worry about it, and
I don't think you have to worry about it because
I don't think he wants to come back here good
as much as he liked his as much as he
liked his teammates. I mean the death threat story from
a year ago. Believe me, he did not look happy
with anybody but his teammates. I think if he's going
to keep playing, it's not going to be at a

(05:26):
discount to a place where he and his family got
death threats. I think he's going to move on. I
don't think I get why the Mariners might say, hey,
we need a backup catcher. We might as well go
with the devil we know in Mitch Garver at a
much reduced rate. But I don't think Mitch Garver's going
to play Pat. That's a good point, ya. I hope not.
I hope he hates it here. Trade Wise, there's Katel

(05:50):
Marte rumors popping up. Sounds like Arizona's definitely going to
move Marte, who's had a lot of injuries and yet
has achieved superstardom with the Arizona Diamondbacks since he left
here a few years ago, and yet Mariners maybe circling
back around, might have some interest in him if the
Polanco thing falls through. Another name I'm going to throw

(06:13):
out there is CJ. Abrams who's a bit of a pill.
It sounds like young shortstop slash second baseman for the
Washington Nationals, but also kind of reminds me of a
of what Katel Marte was turning into. Not here, but
once he got to Arizona. That's the type of player
he sort of reminds me of. Plus he steals like

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sixty bags a year. CJ. Abrams apparently made available by
the Washington Nationals. Could they pull off two trades with
the Nationals in a week. Maybe that's a possibility, but
I think all of this is plan beat and not
bringing Polanco back. But nonetheless, if the Mariners do have
a trick up their sleeve, it could be for a Marte,

(06:55):
could be for an Abrams this week.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
It'd be interesting if they did the Kateel Marte. I
mean it's an upgrade. I mean even that's saying something
because the way pol Uncle hit and played last year.
But I mean, he this is a guy that's in
the MVP conversation a bunch of years. But you're a
big money a star. Yeah, you'd not as much as
you think not bad. Well, it's not a bad salary,
decent decent money all the way. Through is age thirty

(07:19):
seven season, which is that's a kicker, is the Mariners
are not standing. Yeah, they don't want to say they
don't want to be paying somebody that's on the down
on the decline. And you've, I've you've seen it happen before,
you know, and and it just doesn't typically work out.
Most guys are not as good when they're thirty seven,
and if you're paying them that because of what they

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were when they were twenty seven, that's problem.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
But it seems like it's the wrong move. It doesn't
seem like it's a Mariner move for the reasons you said.
So you paid Marte before he reached this peak and
then you're gonna get him on the down side as well,
plus all the injury history, plus their philosophy when it
comes to older players. It I don't even know why
we're involved in the rumors. It doesn't make sense that
we're involved in Katel Marte rumors, even though as you know,

(08:04):
I love the guy, Yeah, and I think it stinks
that we missed out on Katel Marte's outstanding career. Finally,
just quickly, Munataka Murakami is somebody that I'm still just
fixated on He's the latest Japanese phenom that's coming over,
the guy with the eighty power grade and the scouting report.
They believe that he could hit fifty to sixty home

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runs in the major leagues in a season, but he
does strike out a lot, which is scaring off a
few people and a few Mariner fans about signing him.
The only reason I bring it up is because he
has to sign by the twenty second of December. I mean,
he got posted. There's only there's a finite amount of
time that Japanese players have to negotiate a deal. So

(08:48):
he's going to make a decision here in the next
thirteen days. I think the Mariners have to at least
be kicking the tires, even though I haven't heard of
any progress happening with Murakami. But I haven't heard of
any progress happening with Murakami and any team to this point. Nothing.
But he we know he's got a sign in the
next thirteen days, So we'll have that information here in

(09:09):
the next couple of weeks. All right, Coming up next
on the program, the Kraken struggles continue, not even the
high jinks of two Jackasses during the intermission could break
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Speaker 6 (09:25):
Then the shotgunformation Hurts oiks over the events shotgun snap
five Man Rush blips.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
His on pass.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
It's intercepting at the middle of the twenty coming to the.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
Middle side twenty five. Then the players hit the ball
Chart three. Hurts picked it up. He loses the ball.
The ball's rowing. Here's sideline recovered up the forty five.
The Chargers have gotten the ball, stopping the try by Philadelphia.
I think everybody touched that ball on that played, bouncing

(09:54):
from one player to the nets.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Ah Man, when you have a play as crazy as that,
you want Kevin Harlan on the call for sure. Yeah,
Westwood won. Kevin Harlan of course he does that crazy
ass play Justice. We've never seen a play like that.
Just like Tim Kirk, I love sports. I'll never know.
You got to see that was nuts. Yeah. Jalen ERTs

(10:19):
threw an interception and fumbled the ball on the same play.
Leave it right there. If you don't know what I'm
talking about, go look it up. Think I'm lying. He
threw an interception fumbled the ball on the exact same play.
The Philadelphia Eagles lose again to the Los Angeles Chargers.
That's where our frost brewed course liked Choose Chill headlines

(10:40):
will begin on Monday Night. Football twenty two to nineteen
was the final score. Eagles aren't very good. They haven't
been good all season long. They're eight and five and
still have a very good chance of making the playoffs.
But you want to talk about a team that won
the championship and then let everything else get in the way,
including the clubhouse issues that they had. Seems like they

(11:05):
have some coaching issues. They're not playing well offensively. Defense
have been pretty good all season long, but they just
don't look like a team. They do not look better
than the Cowboys right now.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, I would probably go with that. I mean, offensively,
they've been scuffling all year long. Defensively they play well,
and they still seem dangerous. It's even saw Spurts last
night when Sakuon would get rolling, and yet Jalen Hurts
had two interceptions.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Going to the game.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
He threw four last night, not even, that's not even,
and a fumble fumble after an interception.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah. College football, Rick new Isiel to the Koogs. Rumors
are all over the place. We're actually going to ask
him about it today. That's right, He joins us live
at nine o'clock, so we'll get it straight from the
horse's mouth. The Huskies will play in the LA Ball
It's the first bowl game of bowl season. It's this Saturday,
so just rip that band aid off. College football playoff

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won't start until the nineteenth of December. It's Army Navy Week.
Maybe a topic that'll come up with our next guest.
Also this Saturday, the Heisman Trophy will be announced. We
know the finalist Julian Sayan of Ohio State, Diego Pavia,
the quarterback at Vanderbilt, Notre Dame running back Jeremiah Love,
and the favorite, Fernando Mendoza, quarterback of the Indiana Hoosiers.

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The crack and lose again. They've lost six straight games.
They lost to the Wild last night by a final
score of four to one. Here on a cracking ticket Tuesday,
evert fits you will join us to discuss their woes
at eight thirty today. And the Major League Baseball Winter
Meetings are ongoing. No activity I mean, I mean they
have been a couple of minor pitching signings that have
taken place, but for the most part, Squad Douche has

(12:42):
occurred down there in Orlando, Magic Kingdom, my sweet ass.
So we'll see if it starts to pop here today
as the Winter Meetings continue in Florida and it's about
time we had a chance to chat with Greg Bell,
and we have oh so much to discuss, including the
big headline of the day. Are the Seahawks really going

(13:03):
to face Philip Rivers this Sunday? That's right, I'm not
making that up. It's a possibility. Let's talk to Greg Bell.
With the bell tolls.

Speaker 7 (13:11):
It must be seven o'clock and time for twelfth Man
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
Now with twelfth Man News, here's Greg Bell.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
With Chuck and Budd Beat Navy.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
You're going yes, oh, yes, okay.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
That's been MacIntyre and I are flying out to Thursday morning,
two days and we'll be on the air Friday from
one and I think it's noon until I don't even know.
Friday afternoon for three hours, guests go or lots of
Army Navy talk great in Baltimore from Theanner herbor.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, love that for you. How do you feel about a.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Win tough this year? Yeah, you had a good season. Yeah,
maybe the nine and three and Army six and six
snuck into a bowl game. But there the old cliche,
throw out the records. I think I've told you my
sophomore year, we were seven and three and Navy was

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zero to ten in the meadowlands. It was like four
below zero wins everywhere, and some kicker trotted out in
the wind and kicked a forty yard field goal for
Navy and beat us in the last play. It was
gross and ten Navy beat us. So I think I
mentioned when you go around the Army, when you're in
the Army, the West Point graduates and you see him

(14:39):
at events across the world. When they say hi to
him and you introduce yourself as an Army West Point graduate,
they just say what was your record against Navy? Not
that they didn't. You know, only only a certain number
of people played football. I didn't play on the Army
football team, yet that record stays with you. I was

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two and two, two and two.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Ah, all right, that stays with it. All right, Well,
you know it's gonna be fun, and we got the
right people on the job, so excited that you get
to go check this out. All right, Well, let's dive
into this. We didn't get to chat with you about
the game on Sunday, but here we are on Tuesday,
and there's already something far more interesting. What was your
reaction when you heard the Philip Rivers could be the

(15:25):
Colts next quarterback story yesterday?

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Well, I laughed, he's yesterday. It was forty fourth birthday,
and I thought immediately when I was forty four, which
is now eleven years ago, I couldn't even think of
playing in a Turkey Bowl Thanksgiving game with my friends,
let alone an NFL game. The other thing that's funny
about this is, as you probably have mentioned, he's a
semifinalist to be inducted into Canton next summer to the

(15:53):
Hall of Fame. He hasn't played since twenty twenty. He's
a semifinalist on the ballot for twenty twenty six, and
if he gets into a game, if they do sign
him and he plays this year, the Hall of Fame
is going to rip his he can't get inducted until
five years from now. They're going to pull his ballot.

(16:14):
They will pull his candidacy and he won't get inducted
next summer. Well, let's just be straight. Even if he does,
if the tryout goes visit goes great. In Indianapolis today
and he signed to the practice squad, it would defy
logic that he plays Sunday in Seattle, because one, he's

(16:37):
been on his couch for five years, but two, you
just can't roll into an NFL headquarters on a Tuesday
without five years of knowledge about anything they do. And
this is a brand new system compared to the one
River's ended his career in Indianapolis with the stain stiking,
I can't fathom that he would be spun up enough

(16:57):
on what they want to do to play. Having said
that they are in dire straits a quarterback. Obviously, with
the Coles effector even talking to him, it looked like
Riley Leonard was going to be the quarterback now that
Daniel Jones has the Achilles injury. Leonard finished up against
the Jacksonville the other day, but now Riley Leonard's hurt too.

(17:18):
So Brett Rippon Shado Park High School, Spokane is the
practice squad quarterback. So really what the culture looking at
is if Riley Leonard can't play the rookie from Notre Dame,
do they just do we bring Philip Rivers out of
five years of retirement or do we go with Brett Rippon.

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Either way, obviously it's advantage Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
And said there, yeah, and they seem to figure out
a way to play some backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
It seems like every single year.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
I mean, it would be it would be unusual to
play one that was not hasn't even been in the
league for five years.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
That would be odd.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
And you're right, I don't think it's probably likely that
he would be ready to go. And yet I think
that they already did the workout last night and that
now they're just discussing whether and how they're going to
move forward with the whole thing. Regardless, we shall see.
I would imagine somebody that knows the system, like Ripping
like you were talking about. So, but besides that, Okay,

(18:17):
so if they come in here and they're gone their
second string quarterback in Riley Leonard, that's injured if he
is his knees, okay to go, or it's some guy
off the practice squad. I mean, is there just you
go out there and you say, we're just gonna shut
Jonathan Taylor down and we're not gonna worry about anything else.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yeah. This would be the fourth consecutive game that they
have faced either a rookie or backup quarterback. That's cam
Ward in Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
Then they had brand new.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Rookie Max Brosmer first time ever starting from Minnesota. Then
Kirk Cousins. It was, of course not a rookie, but
he is a backup. He's not Michael or Michael Pennix
in Atlanta. And now it would be whoever, Bradley Leonard
or Brett Rippen. And I asked Mike McDonald about that yesterday.
I said, what is it about your defense that you

(19:06):
were trying to put the quarterback in a quandary?

Speaker 5 (19:10):
What are you trying to do to.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
A quarterback, whether they're experienced or rookie. And he knew
where I was headed with that, and so he just said, well,
we just do our thing and our process and blah
blah blah. But suffice to say that they're catching breaks here.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
If they're playing.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
A forty four year old five years of retirement, they've
caught a massive break. And now, before Daniel Jones got hurt,
the Cults were in trouble. They've lost four out of five.
They had fallen off a cliff offensively. Even when Jones
was healthy. Anthony Richardson is on injured reserve as the backup.
He's not an option either, the top draft pick from

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a couple of years ago. So they're already talking about
the season being over, even though it's still just eight
and five in Indianapolis. So it wasn't they were already
going to catch a break here in this one. Now
they're not catching a break on Thursday, four days after
this game, when they play the Rams. But no matter
how the Colts quarterback situation shakes out on Sunday, it

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would be a massive disappointment at the Seahorks are on
eleven and three heading into that Rams game on next Thursday.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, I said all last week this will be the
last game that you probably should handle with ease, And
now all of a sudden you're facing another one in Indianapolis,
a struggling team that maybe down to the practice squad
quarterback starting against you, so it should be another game
that falls right into the Seahawks lap. Greg Bell is

(20:39):
with us our Seahawks insider from the News Tribune. You
can follow him at gmail, Seattle on Twitter, and of course,
follow his complete coverage of the Seahawks at the Newstribune
dot com. On the Seahawks front, Jalen Sundell has got
his windows started to return. How quickly do you think
it'll take before he's actually playing again.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Well, they haven't officially done that because they don't have
to till Wednesday when they actually have a practice, So
I'm expecting them that'll be the start of the twenty
one days. I don't think it's going to take long.
And talking to people in the building, it sounds like
Sundel has been healthy for a week or so and
if they would have been able to, they would have
had him return to practice last week. The rules where

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we had to wait four weeks, So here we go.
I asked again yesterday to McDonald he's going to play
garter center and he wouldn't tell me. Of course, he
did say that Anthony Bradford is playing the best he's
ever put He's played for him. He said that Bradford
was their highest rated offensive lineman in Atlanta, and he

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said his confidence is He doesn't think Bradford's confidence has
ever been higher in his career than it is right now.
He said that he has a really good punch, in
particular in past protection on the three touchdown passes by
the Sayar Scott in the second half from Sam Donald.
Two of the three really good protecting sets by Bradford.

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One of them he double teamed with over with Timmy
the center, and they allowed the corner of the safety
up the middle just a defensive back blitz, a wide
open on free blitz, but Donald got away and threw
the touchdown past the Cooper Cup who was all as
a safety valve. So McDonald said, well, there's still some

(22:22):
reps that are negatives, and the d like back, but
that's true for everybody on the offensive line, and we
really like Anthony Briver's plan. So he doesn't make it
sound like he's gonna bench Bradford five days after saying that.
If you take McDonald at his word and then stuff
like that, he's been pretty accurate about that, it would
appear Sundell will come back to center and over with
Timmy will move back to being a backup.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I mean that's fine.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
I mean, I guess I'm not gonna sit and act
like I know more than the coach. And it just, man,
just seems like there's times that one you just talked
about turned into a touchdown, and yet there's a lot
of times you let a guy go run Scott Free
at your quarterback and it turns into an intercept or
a fumble.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
But it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
I mean, pass blocking, why is there that I've heard
some other people online talking about how he's improving?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Is he good at run blocking? Am I missing something?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
There?

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Is he good at? But run blocking? Get is that
something he's improving at as well?

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Well?

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Run blocking was his strength coming into the season. The
reason why he got one of the reasons he got
the job is he's kind of a mall or master
guy in run blocking, and pass blocking was what he
was struggling at it his first couple of years in
the league, and so they've kind of had that in
the back pocket. While he can run block and that
he has the entire offensive line, frankly has had trouble

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run blocking in the last month. Kenneth Walker has some
of the most majestic minus one yard runs in the
history of the NFL. In Atlanta, it was the same thing.
There were three or four dudes waiting on him before
he got the handoff, and he still would get it
one yard or no gain or two yards he could have.
Walker was probably not real thrilled with opportunity he got

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the carre of the ball in Atlanta, because again, every
one of these games are his last auditions to get
a new contract next year. I can only imagine him thinking,
come on, I'm playing for my life football career and
try to get a new contract, and I've got four
guys waiting on me as I get the ball in
the backfield. So the entire offensive line has struggled in
their run blocking the last four weeks, including Bradford. The

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bottom line is they obviously don't think they've got anybody
better than Bradford. Christian Haynes has been sitting there as
a backup for two seasons now and he hasn't won
the job. And if they thought that Sundell was better
than Bradford, then they would put him in. But then
they I think they believe Sundell is better than Oloo
to me at center. So it's I hate to say
it's by default, but they're going to go with the

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best Bradford they can have because I think he's the
better option of anything. They have a right guard right now.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Greg mel is what sar Syawk's insider A fresh off
the plane from Atlanta, Georgia, and so we had a
lot to discuss with the old man Rivers and Jalen
Sundell being activated. All we got time is just to
get your take What was your big takeaway as you're
flying home from Georgia. Long flight? What was the one
takeaway that you grabbed from a Seahawks thirty seven to

(25:14):
nine went over the Falcons Sunday.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, that is a lower flight, six hours. We live
a long way.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah everywhere we really do.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
You know, the two best players I used to say
the best player in the team was Devin Witherspoon, Right,
the two best players in the team are Devin Witherspoon
and Nicki min Worry And they both dominated the game.
Emon Worry after the game. The stuff I was getting
from people, Jackson spin and Jigbis says, I tell him
all the time that he can be a legend and

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Witherspoon is. Witherspoon and his defensive Cournaden Dirty both said
there's nothing he can't do. The guys played ten games
in the league and they're already talking like legend and
there's nothing special. He just took over the game the
other day. There are eleven defensive statistics officially on the
in the NFL Game Statistic Book. That defensive player can

(26:08):
have eleven stats across the board. Sacks, tackle for losses,
forced fumbles, interceptions, tackles, assists, solo as a supposed safety,
he's not a safety. He's a linebacker. He's a defensive end.
He's an inside outside linebacker, he's a cover slot corner.
He's everything. He had nine of the eleven statistics you

(26:30):
can have a defensive player. The only thing he didn't
have was a force fumble, fumbover recovery, and Devin Witherspoon
had that instead. Those two guys, because they can play
inside outside, near the line of scrimmates out, they tackled
in the run game. Those two guys can win a
game for you, and they did against Atlanta. It's rare

(26:52):
to say that two defensive backs. And again, I don't
even I hesitate to call even worried defensive back. It's
rare to say, and my very few teams in the
NFL say two defensive backs won us a game. Two
defensive backs won that game. Emon Wary blocked a field
goal that the Falcons were trying to go in for
the go ahead score in this first half, and then
Rashid Shaheed's kickoff return actually woke them up. It was

(27:14):
a six to sixth flog. It's easy to forget about that,
but at the start of the third quarter they were
not real thrilled with how that the whole day was going,
especially offensively. I would be concerned. I am concerned if
I'm a Seahawk about how much Sam Donald turns the
ball over. I know it's not fashionable if you're a
Seahawks fan to say, well, they won thirty seven to nine,
and our quarterback through three touchdowns in the second half,

(27:35):
he was twenty to thirty for two hundred and forty
eight yards. He actually had more yards than he averages
per game, a guy who's been leading the league in
yards per attempt all season, yet he turned it over again,
and he leads the league with sixteen turnovers. He has
the most turnovers in the sport. And I don't care
how good Witherspoon and Emon Wori are. If you turn

(27:55):
the ball over against the rams of forty nine ers
and in the playoffs, you're out done. And we saw
it when the Seahawks went down to Inglewood four interceptions
a game they should have won. The defense only gave
up one true touchdown drive they lost twenty one to
nineteen to the four interceptions by Sam Darnold. He has
a chance, if he doesn't fix the turnovers, to subvert

(28:16):
the whole thing. And that's having said how great he
has been all season without the turnover. You take away
the turnovers, which is not easy to do. And he's
had a great season. But you cannot win in the
playoffs and go where you want to go turning the
ball over sixteen times in thirteen games. And to me,
that is where this season is boiled down to. They
have a championship super Bowl defense with a quarterback who's

(28:38):
giving it away more than anybody in the league, and
they got to rectify that.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Well, welcome back, thank you very much, great stuff as always.
Then we'll chat again.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Tomorrow, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
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Speaker 1 (29:53):
Hi Yes every week, CBS rules analysts and the greatest
NFL official ever. He's got eyes like a hal I
tell you Jeane sterotur joins us right here on Chucking Buck.
Come morning, sir, Good morning.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
How are you tucky?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
You're doing all right? Can you read the bottom line
at the eye chart when you go to the uh optometrist?

Speaker 8 (30:13):
I have to be fully honest about that, Yeah, I
can with my bifuncals on.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Officials aren't supposed to ever admit that they have glasses gene.
You know, that's exactly right.

Speaker 8 (30:30):
I purposely, in my as my eyes did decline a
little in my basketball career, thought that working with a
little fuzziness and not being you know, seeing it too clean.
Actually it was a pretty good thing for me because
I didn't see the tiki tag files. They were kind
of blended into, you know, a little fuzziness.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
So I just got the big ones.

Speaker 9 (30:48):
You know.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
Did that make me a little bit blind?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Probably, But you know I ran with it.

Speaker 8 (30:58):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, I love the fact you're just owning it. After
years of officials taking abuse for kneading glasses, Jean's like, yeah,
I've got a pair right here in my pocket. All right, Well,
let's dive into a few things. I we got some
plays to isolate, but I just want to I'm watching
Monday night football last night, and just want to try
to get your opinion on something here. Got Justin Herbert

(31:22):
clearly out there playing with an injury to his left hand.
I mean, it looks like he's got a prosthetic on
his left hand the way that he's kind of operating
out there, And I'm just curious from an official standpoint,
how difficult that was for you to not treat him
too precious. I mean, you know that he's hurt, you
know he's got an injury. Was it easy difficult for

(31:45):
you in those situations to treat him like everybody else?
Or did you have to keep reminding yourself of, hey,
this is football. If he's going to be out here,
he's a subject to the same hits that everybody else is.

Speaker 8 (31:58):
Yeah, you know, in all honesty, one of the things
that I just admired so much about the athletes, you know,
through my whole career, was yet, Justin Herbert definitely has
a major injury, right and we can all see it.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
He's a quarterback.

Speaker 8 (32:14):
But there wasn't a Sunday that went by where you
didn't know that a half a dozen guys were out there, right,
you know, playing with something that none of us would
go in the backyard today and say, now I just
can't throw with you son. You know, it's just a
bad week, you know, And these guys were out there
every single week, you know, just just playing with reckless

(32:34):
abandon but you know, and just the appreciation of it,
so you know you're aware of it. But it is
what you kind of said at the end, Chuck, you know,
I mean, this is the game you guys shows to play,
and they wear it as a badge of honor that
they're going to play through it.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
You know.

Speaker 8 (32:48):
I was watching Aaron Rodgers this week for his second
consecutive week, you know, with the cast on his left hand,
you know, and going the whole week. And I'm sure
Herbert's the same way, where you can't even practice a
hand to hand snap just because you want to don't
want to deal with the impact of a football being
snapped part into your hand, you know.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
I mean, it's it's amazing what they do.

Speaker 8 (33:08):
And then it's even equally and maybe more amazing to
then see how they perform with things that again we
would never want to go out and just throw catch
with but they're performing at this unbelievable level with injuries
that are that are significant, So it's more of an
admiration thing and an yeah, you want to help them

(33:28):
get off the ground as quick as you can whenever
you see them down. But I was like that with
every quarterback they got caught down. You know, I wanted
to still be there as quick as I could. And
sometimes they take the hand and sometimes they wave it off.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
You know, it just depended on their mood of the day. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Gee, I mean there was actually one, and it's kind
of something that I know is not necessarily in the rules,
And yet I'm curious as to how you would have
officiated it. I mean, not this week, but last week
when he ended up hurting being hurt. He was playing
against the Raiders, and there was one play where a
defenseman like he'd already gotten rid of the ball, and
the defensive player kind of runs by and on purpose

(34:07):
like slaps his hand, like hits his hand. You know
that there's some guys out there that are going to
go after something that's hurt on a guy. That's just
kind of part of the way the NFL is.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
And yet that I.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Don't think that's against the rules. Is it necessarily walk
by and slap a guy that has a sore hand.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
Exactly, Bucky.

Speaker 8 (34:24):
But you know what I mean, if you're really on
your game as a ref that moment and you see it,
you don't you maybe can't flag it right because what
are you going to call there? But it doesn't go
without being recognized, Like it would be one of those
moments where I would hope my MIC wasn't accidentally turned
on for what I might be saying to that player,

(34:45):
understanding what that action could create for the rest of
the game two plays later, or you know, or.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
The ramifications of that.

Speaker 8 (34:55):
So in those types of scenarios game managing again, how
the hot mic is a good tool to have and
hopefully if you see it or could catch it, you
address it really really fast for all the right reasons,
you know what I mean. But yeah, it's part of
the business. It's like when there was a fumble in
that pile and you know, ten bodies are in there

(35:18):
trying to scratch, reach and rip any body part they
can from underneath the pile because they don't want to
claim that their hands is attached to the rest of
their body.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
There. You knew what was.

Speaker 8 (35:27):
Going on, you know, you just tried to get it
get it, get it finished as quick as we couldn't
move on to the next snap.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
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Speaker 8 (35:54):
Long, stigmatism in the left eye, just the mouth, stigmatism
in the left hop that didn't really affect death perception
or anything.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
This judgment was keen is keen with twenty twenty. Yeah,
all right, Well, let's dive into some of these plays.
And I'm going to start with something that I said
yesterday in our show meeting. Might have been the worst
call I've ever seen. I don't understand how Isaiah Likely's
touchdown catch was overruled. So explain that to me. Baltimore,

(36:28):
the Harball family. God, we're all listening because we don't
get that one.

Speaker 8 (36:34):
It's it's this place. I have to tell you guys, listen.
I mean my career parallel that I was the Calvin
Johnson catch, I was the des Bryant catch, I was
the zach Ertz catch in the Super Bowl. So the
catch and the way the rule is written, and the
fact that we've decided to make it a reviewable frame
by frame play has has created these types of scenarios

(36:59):
where we're going to have plays that are getting right
to what one hundred people in the bar say, touchdown
and back after review based on the criteria that we
have to set in some way for a subjective play,
We've got to get it in black and white to
be able to say this is how we're doing it.
The play happens. This was another one of those perfect

(37:22):
storm plays. Look, I think if you do watch it
in real time and you realize that we have this
little extended moment where we all do think it's a
catch and the ball comes out, we kind of are
getting triggered a little bit, I think after some years ago,
and that might not be you know, let's take a look.
Maybe the backfoot still was down and it was the
third step. Whatever those little elements turn out to be.

(37:45):
This one felt like it was exactly that perfect storm
in so many levels. Now, an upright receiver in the
end zone in the field of play has to continue
to finish the three elements of the catch in their
processed steps, possession two feet down, and then either a
third step or the time to make a different type

(38:06):
of a football move, or a football move in this
scenario likely does something that we just haven't seen. He
initially possesses a football with both arms fully extended away
from his body for the right reasons. So his possession,
which is step one, is with his arms fully extended.
He gets two feet down, keeps the ball fully extended

(38:28):
to keep it away from the defensive back at that
time from ripping it out in the end zone in
a frame or two before his third foot hits the ground,
and the time element that would be deciphered in some
subjective manner hadn't taken place fully yet the football comes loose,
So you're gonna have all of these different variables. Hey,

(38:50):
the football move is he's got his arms extended. He
didn't extend them from being the ball being in his
body and reaching. He's not gonna take it from being
fully extended tucking it back in.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
He's bringing it to danger. So you had a lot.

Speaker 8 (39:04):
Of these little elements of this definition of what becomes
a catch. And then it differs, as we know if
he were following it would be a different element, right,
So this is the challenge, no pun intended. I think
it's a piece of the game that these stakeholders decided
to make reviewable that at times we see these plays

(39:25):
happen where we think this whole thing is just not
the way we.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
Want it to be.

Speaker 8 (39:30):
But yet we've got to live by some criteria. And
I really do feel like this play is that play.
You know, I talked to half a dozen people in
football in the football world that said, look, as soon
as I thought, I thought, that's just not a catch
right now, you know, But then again you'll look at
a very very wide origin of humans that'll say, you know,
that's just a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Guys.

Speaker 8 (39:51):
I know, I mean, and I understand that as well.
But I think these are the scenarios and this is
what we have to live with in some ways because
we're reviewing subjective pieces of a play. It's not a
black and white play.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Okay, Well, I mean, I get then if you've put
the letter of the law down, then you got to
go by the letter of the law.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
And yet there was a play.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
In the Seahawks game Seattle against Atlanta. It was a
play in the second quarter and it ended up being
kind of a four point play. Now it didn't really
matter because the game ended up being thirty seven to nine,
but you know, that was when the game was still close,
and this was a way a time in which the
Falcons are trying to extend their lead where it looked
like the receiver Moody was kind of forced out of

(40:37):
bounds just a little bit of contact and he goes
out of bounds, comes back and I think he gets
two feet down, which I thought this re establishes himself.
But they basically negate the touchdown at that point in time,
and they said that he didn't reestablish himself. So what
is the rule of how much contact can happen before
you're considered forcing someone out of bounds? And what does

(40:58):
he have to do to re you know, basically re
established being in bounds.

Speaker 8 (41:04):
Really interesting play, Bucky, with a lot of different pieces
to that as well, and you did you set it
up perfectly. So in this scenario, you see a defensive
back with the receiver running near the sideline and we
have some contact with the defensive player beyond five yards.
Let's even put it in that category where if we
felt it was a redirection type of a contact by

(41:26):
the defensive player and the quarterback was in the pocket,
we'd have a flag for illegal contact maybe, but this
contact wasn't enough to rise to the level of ilegal
contact because it was it was subtle, right, it's what
we want them to do. Let him play a little bit.
So now the bump that isn't a foul does cause
the receiver to step out of bounds. Now, once he's

(41:47):
out of bounds, and he's out of bounds free of foul,
he's out of bounds just because he either put himself
there voluntarily or the contact was so incidental that we're
not thinking that he was forced out or fouled to
be out. Now, he is not eligible to be the
first person to touch a legal forward pass, regardless of
whether he re establishes or not. If he gets both

(42:10):
feetback in in that scenario and catches the football and
finishes the play, there's a flag for illegal touching on
the receiver for going out of bounds free a file
and being first to touch. The penalty for that file
is just a loss of down at the previous spot.
If he steps out of bounds gets one foot back in,

(42:31):
which is fine in college because it's a one foot
game and the NFL is a two feet game. If
he goes out of bounds and only reestablished, it doesn't reestablish,
but gets one foot in the field of play. The
other foots in the air. The moment that he touches
that forward pass, he's out of bounds still by rule,
so it becomes an incomplete pass. So regardless of how
that play kind of finished, incomplete pass.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
Back, kind of loss of down right next down back to.

Speaker 8 (42:57):
The previous spot, re establishes a llegal touch foul foul
is go back to the previous spot. It was a
loss of down necks down, so the penalty or the
result would have been the same. But that's how that
play gets squared as it relates to a player going
out of bounds that was not fouled. If he were
fouled out of bounds and you had illegal contact that

(43:18):
put him out. Now he comes back in and catching,
you may see two flags there and then the dreaded
rep conference for a minute. But you'd have one official
saying I have illegal touching on eighty eight and say, no,
that's fine. Hold on a minute, I've got a legal
contact on twenty eight that put him out, pick up
the flag for illegal or illegal touching, we'll decline the

(43:39):
file for illegal contact to be caught in and then
go back to square one and have the result of
the play. So that play definitely has a lot of
layers to it.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Bud Boy, as somebody rooting for the Seahawks, I thought
for sure that we got away with one there. But
and then somebody that has no rooting interest in the
Baltimore Ravens, I thought they completely got screwed. Just a recap.
Are you telling me I'm over two on these two
plays that they actually got the Baltimore catch or drop right,
and they got the Falcons play right too.

Speaker 8 (44:11):
Let me preface it by this man, which is what
I used to do with the mic.

Speaker 9 (44:14):
By rule, Chuck by rule, you're over two, over ten
now the refts right the rules? No, are they being
taxed with applying these rules like this that we.

Speaker 8 (44:26):
All disagree with the times.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Yes, by rule, you're over for.

Speaker 8 (44:30):
Two by your personal opinion, I give you like a
half of one on the catch, and you're just wrong
on the Seattle play.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
So just a fifteen yard penalty against me and not
fifteen yards in a loss a game? Yeah, Okay, got it.

Speaker 8 (44:43):
No loss of no LD, no loss of times.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
I still got a hold of dig out of here.
All right, let's talk about the Chiefs Texans game. I'll
be honest, I didn't watch a lot of this game
because I had just finished watching like thirty thousand football
games in the previous twenty four hour so I kind
of needed a break by.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
Some jack Welcome to my world.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yeah, but apparently there were a lot of calls, and
of course then all the Chiefs that were brought into question,
and one in particular I want to ask you about
is that the Chiefs had challenged a replay assist and
then it is overturned that he's the guy was ruled short.
So it led to the questions of can you challenge

(45:28):
replay assist? And is it a bad look when the
replay assist is getting overturned?

Speaker 8 (45:34):
Last question?

Speaker 5 (45:34):
First, Yes, bad look.

Speaker 8 (45:36):
Okay, I think to even add a little more to it,
I think if you go back and watch the play,
I think the officials on the field got the spot
right the first time right, which initiated what they felt
was a replay assist to then award the first down.
Dangerous place all around, Gods, like from a philosophical standpoint,

(45:57):
I'm all for I'm not a horse and buggy guy.
Enhance technology make the game better, and enhance communication from
other people to make the game move more efficiently. Yes,
yes to both, but not if it's at the detriment
of what we love and that's the essence of the game.
And I get nervous about that. This is a first
for me. You know, replay assists someone from off the

(46:18):
field comes down to tell the officials on the field
you've done something incorrectly. We have it nailed upstairs. I
can assure you on the field if that happens, you're
going wherever they're telling you in your ear to go,
because you have to trust how fast this game is
and how I could be wrong. And now we realize
that they're wrong upstairs.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
That really is a big, big no no. We never
can come down from above with the knee.

Speaker 8 (46:42):
Jerk quick reaction. That now has to be challenged.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
And yes, I didn't know it.

Speaker 8 (46:46):
I'm kind of glad it happened to another network's rules
analysts to find out if they could challenge or replay
assistable play. I don't recall that happening yet.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
It makes sense that you could.

Speaker 8 (47:00):
But then I guess the real question is, now that
I've challenged it and they've had a chance to look again,
can replay assist replay assist you know, like we.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Get it, can we get a do over? And not?

Speaker 8 (47:12):
And not kind of you know, tax the team with
that challenge, because really, again, what rests do Let's say
that Kansas City was unsuccessful in their first challenge and
they're sit in a third quarter now and they were
forced to challenge and replay assist, they get it right,
but they didn't get both right. Now Kansas City may

(47:33):
have to play the remainder of this game without a challenge,
and then god forbid, we end up with a play
that's not replay assistible. But after the third look, it's
they were wrong and Kansas City couldn't challenge. So a
very very delicate place. We've got to be careful that
all these new shiny objects that we're implementing in at
the end of the day are good for the game.

(47:53):
But it was a first for me. I have to say, uh,
and thank goodness everybody, the working pieces were there to
get the thing right, because that's what everybody wants at
the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Here's my takeaway. You know, we got the better guy
on our show. We could add Terry McCauley, and we
got the better goal. That's what I come from that. Yeah,
first round for sure for the show.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
I am going to clip and send it to.

Speaker 9 (48:18):
My friend Terry everyone whenever we have those little moments.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
You know, we had our choice of many seemed rules analysts,
and we chose the right guy. That's what That's what
I heard. Nailed it.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
And he's happy for it. Well as he's happy for it.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Where are you this weekend, We're.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
Going to go back to New York. We have the
Army Navy game.

Speaker 8 (48:43):
Which I think is the greatest football game played in
America every single year, and the pomp and circumstance of
being able to just take that game in. My late
father had the pleasure to ref that game five times
in his illustrious career as an official. So it's a
game I got to meet President Ford in nineteen seventy
four at an old JFK Stadium in Philly and got

(49:07):
to be in that game in that environment, I should say,
and really feel the magnitude of what it means to
see our young Navy and Army people off together. It's
an amazing experience. It's one off, so we have the
luxury of doing that on Saturday, fellas. And then naturally

(49:28):
I haven't looked yet because I'm still trying to unwand
I don't know if it's five, six or seven games
on CBS this Sunday, which will probably half of them
at least be playoff implicating games. So just psyched up
for another great week at all right?

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Well, awesome, I'm glad to get to have that experience again.
Thanks as always, you are the best and we will
talk to you soon.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
All right, Thanks guys, have a great week, all right.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Jean Sterrator Gean Sterator joining us. I don't know why
I hung up on him. Yeah, that button doest did
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near the stadiums. Have you ever taken your key fob
for your car and tried to open your front door
with it? Because I have no Yeah, no, ya. First
they were no, it didn't worry am I wired? And
I even had it even crossed my mind, like what's
wrong with this?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
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(50:51):
thirty three year old player with one hundred and fifty
million dollars contract guaranteed to remain a Philadelphia Philly And
then moments later, former may Edwin Diaz left the Mets.
Officially he has signed with the Los Angeles Dodgers. I
don't have the money on that in front of me
just yet. But as soon as Schwarber went, they were
calling him the Domino at the MLB Winter Meetings. So

(51:14):
we get another move shortly after that, So maybe things
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things are not cooking for our local hockey squad. They
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(51:34):
Good morning, sir. Sorry, Kyle Schwarber is not a Tiger.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Now, Listen.

Speaker 10 (51:38):
I would have had my money on Schober going back home,
going back to Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
He's talked, he's talked quite a bit.

Speaker 10 (51:44):
Over the last handful of years in his career just
how much he liked Cincy, and he wouldn't be opposed.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
To coming back to Cincy and finishing his career there.

Speaker 11 (51:53):
So I was surprised, But are you I'm surprised they
gave a thirty two year old one hundred fifteen million
dollars or is baseball just monopoly money?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
And this is an.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Okay, I'm not surprised by that. You know, I thought
I thought that was gonna be about the rate. Plus.
I think he's gonna age pretty well, don't you. Bucky
power's the last thing to go. Yeah, he's not. He's
not there. Not signed him for speed.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
You know, he's he'll be able to hit bombs when
he's thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
And by the way, I think it was Banana Rama
who wrote money talks. Money talks. Dirty cat, I want you,
dirty Cat, I need you. Uh huh, So money always
talks in these situations. Everett, all right, talk to us.
Let us know. Cracking the lost six straight games, obviously
the roughest patch of the entire season, and it's not
even close. So what's gone wrong? And as the how

(52:47):
is the how is the clubhouse? How's the coaching staff
reacting to this?

Speaker 12 (52:51):
Well?

Speaker 10 (52:51):
I mean, if you listen to the media from last night,
you know it's it's pretty Jaylor Stevenson saying rock Bottom
is pretty tough. Jordan Everley going on record saying, you know,
he knows this is a good team, but we need
more will to win games. We have to try harder
to win games. And you can you can sense the

(53:14):
dejection just in those comments. And you know, again, it'd
be one thing, and then take the Oilers game out
of it.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
It'd be one.

Speaker 10 (53:22):
Thing if the Cracking were getting blown out every night,
you know, six to one. But these are games that
the Cracking are in. I mean, you're on your way
to overtime against Detroit two games ago, and then you score,
you get scored on.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
With two and a half minutes left. Last night.

Speaker 10 (53:39):
If you look at the box score yet as a
four to one loss, but I mean it was two
to one with two and a half minutes until you
get the empty nets.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
That the two empty net goals.

Speaker 10 (53:47):
So you know, for all intents and purposes, Grubauer only
let in two goals last night, so he.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Had a really good performance.

Speaker 10 (53:54):
So that's the frustrating part, is that this system that
the Crackinger played.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
And then again you take the Edmondton oiler games before.

Speaker 10 (54:03):
Nothing in the nine to four out of it, four
of these six games have been one goal games. You
go back to the Islander game, that first shootout loss,
it was a one nothing shootout loss. It doesn't get
any closer than that. So the frustrating part is what
we've been talking about all season long. The offense still

(54:25):
not generating enough. You know, Lane Lambert has been saying
a lot the last couple of weeks a month here,
I want the guys to be more selfish. I want
guys to shoot the puck more. There were a couple
of plays last night where Seattle, you know, seemingly and
it's easy for us to say because we're up in
the press box and you can see plays.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Developed but the Kraken let let up.

Speaker 10 (54:49):
A few easy shots. They passed up on a few
good looking shots. So I think it's trying to get
the offense going and like the rest of us, we're
trying to describe their heads and ask, well, how do
we get.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
That done well?

Speaker 3 (55:03):
So is that just the idea of you're looking for
something that's too perfect? I mean when when a team,
it's one thing if one guy's like man, I just
don't see it. But if the entire team is kind
of having that same feeling when they're looking at, you know,
opportunities and not taken the shot, is that a Where
does that come from? And how do you expect Lambert

(55:24):
and company to kind of address it? Is it just
I don't care when it's on your stick throat at
the net?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
You know?

Speaker 10 (55:30):
I've always personally thought that this team has been historically
a little bit too passive, and I mean that in
the in the literal sense of the word. This team
will option for the for the extra pass rather than
putting the puck on the net lane. Lambert he has
some very pointed comments about a month ago, I believe,

(55:53):
maybe not quite a two weeks ago, and he said,
I don't understand. Basically, I don't understand why these guys
won't listen to me. I want them to be more selfish.
I want them to shoot the puck. You can hear al.
We'll talk about it all the time. You know how
many times have we seen goals go off of Jaden
Schwartz's his body and in although he's out right now,

(56:13):
but guys in front of the net. Go back to Chicago,
there is a goal that went off of two knees
and ultimately into the back of the net. That doesn't
happen unless you throw the puck to the net.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
So I do think there is a.

Speaker 10 (56:29):
Pensions for waiting for that perfect shot, for waiting for
that clear lane. Last night, the second Wild goal, Marcus
Johansson is right in front of Grubauer. The Wild defenseman
lost the puck to the net. Johansson just happens to
be right there. It goes off his skate, ankle, stick, whatever,

(56:51):
and into the back of the net. Those are the
type of goals you have to score. Goalies in the
NHL are too good. You're not gonna beat a goalie
with a sixth Steve Foot's lap shot from the blue
line it's just not gonna happen anymore.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I always like Jadan Schwartz. I never really saw him
as being like invaluable, and yet man, they have not
been the same without him. How much do they miss Schwartz?

Speaker 10 (57:13):
There is a there's a certain calmness about Jaden Schwartz.
When you put him on the ice and and the
team just breathed this, it almost seems like he injects
this sigh of relief, you know, as if to say, Okay,
we're gonna be fine, We're gonna be good, we're gonna
get this done. He just has this way about him

(57:35):
and and and you're really missing that leadership on the ice,
on the bench, I think, on the power play, which
has been abysmal in the last handful of games.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
One last night, Yeah, they scored one last night.

Speaker 10 (57:47):
And you know what, after they've got power play goals
in two in a row after going ninth straight without
a power play goal. So there is a silver lining there,
But you're missing that piece, that net front piece. And
I think this overall, you're missing a guy who, in
addition to the Jordan Eberles and the Matty Veneers and
the Jared McCants, you're missing some of that passion on

(58:10):
the bench that that the younger guys can feed off of,
and the energy that guys can feed off of.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
You're really missing that with him out of the lineup.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Well, Kings tomorrow not exactly an easy team. We got
about thirty seconds left to try to end this skit against.

Speaker 10 (58:28):
Yeah, they've been up and down the last few weeks,
but I mean there's still third place in the division.
They are on their mother's trip this week as well,
so they're getting an extra bolt of jolts of energy.
They just won in Vancouver last night for nothing. I mean,
that was a pretty pretty wild game for them. So

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this is the team that the cracket are gonna have
to do.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
They have to win. I mean, this is where I
don't like to say this is a must win game.

Speaker 10 (58:58):
I don't like to say that for the All Star breaks,
you know, in February, But this is a must win
game right now. You're only four points out of or
three points rather out of a playoff spot. So you
win tomorrow, you're back in the thick of this race
and the saving grace for Seattle. All of these teams
are so bunched up. I think first place in the

(59:20):
in the division and sixth place or seventh place in
the division are only separated by five points, so it's
not it's not hard right now, it's get back in
the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
But tomorrow, I.

Speaker 10 (59:32):
Mean, this is about as close to a must win
game as you're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
All right, man, thank you, great stuff. As always, we'll
be listening tomorrow and we'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
All right, guys, take care, see you Actually.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
The phenomenal evert fits you voice of your Seattle Crack
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It was The Adventures of Stevie V. I would have
never guessed that that sounds like a movie. Yeah, but
the but the lyrics were money talks, money talks, dirty cash.
I want you, dirty cash, I need you. Oh oh
all yeah, right, yeah, exactly, so I screwed that up

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Speaker 12 (01:00:42):
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Taco Time, not those new Heizels. Used to be a
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Speaker 12 (01:01:04):
This is college football, and I want you to get
it all over yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I'm gonna tell you right now. Ever, since we had
the privilege of being able to talk to Rick new
Isel every single week of our lives during the football season,
what nine years ago, I've been pumped every single week
to talk to coach new Isel. But this week did
oh more? Everges Oh, I don't even know what to

(01:01:30):
do with myself. Joining us now is our college football
insider Rick new Isel, Hello, sir, how are you?

Speaker 12 (01:01:39):
I am well? That made me laugh, and yet in
some form fashion sounded a little disturbing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
I'm just gonna let you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
It is disturbing good. I kind of want to have
that effect on people. I want to make you laugh,
but walk away going what's wrong with that guy? So
all right, I'm just gonna ask you. I'm not going
to ignore this elephant in the room. Are you gonna
be the lot? You could say cougar's head coach?

Speaker 12 (01:02:02):
I have no idea. I have not spoken to anybody
from Washington State. There have been a number of alums
that I've talked to. I've made a lot of friends
over my lifetime, to Jack Thompson's of the world, the
Mark Riffins of the world, the Drew Bloodstone's of the world,
and I've always admired greatly how much they love their school.

(01:02:24):
I mean, it is a it's a badge of honor
to be a coup and so there's there's no question
that there's.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
Great passion there.

Speaker 12 (01:02:33):
And I've made it clear that I miss coaching, There's
no question about that. So if if an opportunity were present,
its up, I would certainly entertain it. I have not
talked to anybody at the school. These things go by
way of search firms and touch. So I'll check in
with you later if I got any news, but I
don't have any today.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Okay, Well then it sounds I mean that you kind
of pretty much answered it. I mean you you miss coaching,
so if the opportunity present itself, you would gladly take it.
Have If somebody here is hearing this from Wazoo right
now and says, well, we've heard about that, but we
didn't know for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
If he's interested that you're interested in going to Pullman.

Speaker 12 (01:03:16):
Yeah, I'd be interested. And the other thing that's kind
of attracted for me, And again this would all have
to be, you know, talked over, and I haven't had
that opportunity to talk to anybody. I'd love to coach
with my son and to have an opportunity for the

(01:03:36):
two of us to collaborate in this kind of environment
and put together approach. I've said this new pac twelve
that is going to begin next year with eight schools
that all have state named after him. I can't believe
All State Insurance hasn't decided how to sponsor this thing.
Because it is all states. That new conference is really

(01:04:00):
exciting from a standpoint that you've got eight similarly resourced programs.
It isn't like there's just the elephants in this room
that are going to run the table, kind of like
James Madison is in the Sun Belt where they got more.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
Money than everybody else.

Speaker 12 (01:04:16):
Sounds to me like you've got eight schools at all,
or have a chance to coach hard and recruit hard
and a chance to win, and that to me is appealing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
I'd love it for you. Of course, you still have
to come on with us every Tuesday at nine o'clock. Yes, yes,
But I mean I envisioned a scenario, and I don't
want to make you uncomfortable. I envision in a scenario
where you coach the Koogs for a few years and
then eventually it's handed off to your son and he
becomes a staple there. I don't know, that's what as

(01:04:48):
in my mind, is is that anything that you I mean,
are you entertaining that as well? I mean not just
working with your son, but maybe the new Heisel stamp
gets put on that program for your to come.

Speaker 12 (01:05:01):
So the old sing in the country song you want
to hear God laugh, tell them your plans, right, So yeah,
I don't think we can put the cart too far
before the horse.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I know this.

Speaker 12 (01:05:17):
I've loved college football and I miss it and the
relationships daily. I get a heaping hunk of it doing
what I do, and I love coming on with you guys.
I love the CBS gig that I've enjoyed. Now this
is my eleventh year. But if I'm going to make

(01:05:38):
a run to coach one more time, the clock is
ticking right. You can see Marissa Tomay banging her foot
on my cousin Vinny Ports there. So if it were
to be, I think I'd be really excited about it.
If not, I certainly understand.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Rick new Islas with us, we have addressed the big
question everybody wanted us to ask here this morning. I
want you to get back and coaching because I can't
wait for you to get angry about the committee snubbing
you from the tournament.

Speaker 12 (01:06:12):
They played some dirty pool this last week.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
And I tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Who's got the reason, who's got the right to be
the angriest in all of this?

Speaker 12 (01:06:22):
Well, if we hadn't had six shows or five shows
previous to the final one, No one has the right.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
To be angry.

Speaker 12 (01:06:30):
Yeah, no one, but we did. We had five shows
or six, whatever the number was where they told us
that Miami was better than or excuse me, Notre Dame
was better than Miami. Despite the fact, and I said
this many times on our little hits on Tuesdays, I
don't see how you do that. The records are the same,

(01:06:52):
Miami beat them. But the fact that they did it,
and they did it, and they did it, and they
did it again, and then get to a week neither
team plays and flip them is dirty pool That that
that tells us some other operation was in play, and

(01:07:13):
you can't tell me just because by you lost. That's
the first time we've compared the two schools. That doesn't
make any sense. As a matter of fact, Hunter Yurisix,
the committee spokesperson, said that they were involved in the
same pool and they came up with the same solution
that it was Notre Dame ahead of Miami. So at

(01:07:33):
day's end to do that, at the end, I can
see why you're if you're another name fan, you're completely rankled.
I can see why Pete Bavoqua and by the way,
just really bad form for those two leaders, Jim Phillips
and Pete Bleavakua, to be airing it out in public.
That stuff should be happened internally with respect to what

(01:07:57):
power is the ACC going to stump for their champion
and or Miami as opposed to a notre dame, which
is a huge, huge, valuable partner. Those things should have
been ironed out, and unfortunately we got to see the
dirty laundry.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
How about the hypocrisy if you will, I mean, how
do you reconcile the idea of an Alabama kind of
lais an egg in the SEC championship game? And I
don't know for sure how I feel about what type
or how much you how much that should count against you.
It's an extra game that you know that you had
to play or you get to play, but you also

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have to play if.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
You're on the losing end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
And yet they don't move anywhere in the standings BYU
shows basically one thing they're not as good as Texas Tech,
and that's the only thing that they've shown us that
they're not better than so far, and yet they end
up dropping a spot and can't find their way in either.

Speaker 12 (01:08:52):
Yeah, we've got We've got a super two dilemma here.
We've got the Big Ten and we've got the SEC,
and their conference championship games don't matter. They I mean,
Ohio State fell the number two. Alabama didn't even move
despite looking woeful, and if you were doing an eye test,
it would have been Notre Dame in Miami and an

(01:09:14):
Alabama out. But the power of those conferences or such
that they just kind of created a way for those
games not to matter, which then leads us to wonder,
why are we playing them then? Because all those kid
teams are doing are risking injury as they get ready
for the playoffs, And I think what we're going to

(01:09:34):
see is a play in game to replace the conference
championship game, which will be much more fun to watch
to see a Vanderbilt Texas, these teams that are just
outside trying to get in a BYU having an opportunity
to play their way in.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Now that they said, I kind of like that. I mean,
you still keep a twelve team format, but instead of
conference champions in ship week, maybe it's each team gets
a representative from their conference and then they've just battle
it out for a week to see PHIL games. Yeah, Yeah, exactly.
Rick new Eiel is with us, our college football insider

(01:10:16):
from CBS Sports, of course, former U dub head coach,
and we've already addressed at Koochs fans, We've already addressed
it if you're just joining us. His segment with us
brought to you by Taco Time all year long. All right,
So how quickly are they drafting up the new rules
to try to keep from two group of five teams

(01:10:38):
getting into the tournament?

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Ever?

Speaker 12 (01:10:39):
Again, I guarantee they're crafting something. But congratulations to Bob
Chesney and James Madison and certainly to John Sumral and
Tulane for beating him again.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
It's amazing.

Speaker 12 (01:10:55):
You know, the group of five. It was Craig Thompson,
who was the commissioner of the Mountain US, who was
on that four man committee that Ky Kenneth came up
with the twelve team format, and what he asked for
was five champions, right, which guaranteed a group of five,
And they gave it to him, and they said the
four champions would be the top four seeds, which basically

(01:11:17):
was appeasing the commissioners of the other four conferences, thinking
of course that there will be the teams that'll be
the best four. And yet last year it was Boise
State from the Mountain West that got the buy. So
they said, we can't do that anymore. We got to
change that. So we changed that. But in this year,
with the five champions still getting in, they went past

(01:11:38):
the ACC which might have been kind of a little
bit wink nod not in the committee room why Miami
had to get in because it couldn't keep the ACC
from getting anything, which would have been the case that
had just been left with Duke, which had five losses.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
So what we have.

Speaker 12 (01:11:54):
Here is a failure to communicate. But congratulations to the
Dukes and to the green Waves and fingers crossed that
they play well, because it will be If they can
play well and be representative, then maybe we don't have
to tweak it at all, and maybe we can give
more access to the little guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Well maybe now that you might be getting into the
group of five, maybe we just do take a page
out of cool.

Speaker 12 (01:12:20):
Hand Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, is that a
thought bubble?

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
And then so, oh yeah, we'll just take a page
out of cool and Luca, whoever can eat the most
hard boiled eggs gets into.

Speaker 12 (01:12:30):
The why did you have to say fifty fifty?

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
I mean, how bad of a situation have they created?
I mean in Texas, you know, to some degree you
have two other losses outside of the first one against
Ohio State, and yet they basically it feels like they're penalized.
They've been playing good football as of late, and outside
of that you know loss in Week one, they that
put them at to where they finish at nine and three.

(01:12:59):
I mean, is did you just basically shoot the idea
of having big time matchups in those first few weeks
of preseason.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Quote unquote that I call it? Is that just not
going to happen anymore?

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Seans how the team that lost that finds themselves right
on the outside looking in.

Speaker 12 (01:13:15):
Well, if you heard Stark talk on this subject, that's
exactly what's going to happen. But I don't believe that
that will be the case because I don't think televisions
ares are going to let it happen. They're going to
force the issue. And I think we're getting closer also
to kind of like the NFL does, where your schedules
are determined where you finish. I wouldn't be surprised to

(01:13:37):
see an SEC one schedule, an SEC two and on
down the list as to where you're going to play,
and who you're going to play and how many games
on the road. I know athletic directors want control of
the schedules so that they can get as many home
games as possible, and even willing to purchase home games
so for their fan bases. But I think we're getting

(01:13:58):
closer that the television money is such that they're going
to be in control of some of that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Been saying it for years, decades, and finally it looks
like it's about ready to happen. So I am all
for that. I'm all about that. I want to get
your take on this. I mean, I want to get
to the Heisman and a little bit on Army Navy
before we wrap up. But urban Meyer said during the
Fox broadcast of the Big Ten Championship game that the

(01:14:25):
job Kurt Signetti has done at Indiana is not just
the greatest coaching job in the history of college football,
it's the greatest coaching job in the history of sports.
That's what he said on the Fox broadcast. I mean,
I'm not expecting you to go that far, but your
thoughts on what Segnetti has done.

Speaker 12 (01:14:47):
It is a combination of brilliant coaching and the perfect storm.
It's a collision of a number of factors all coming
together that allowed for a unbelievable transformation of a program.
Two years ago, Indiana was the losingest program in the

(01:15:09):
history of college football, the losingest by virtue of their
toe tap victory over penn State. They now won enough
games to put Northwestern as now the losingest program in
the history of college football. The reason I bring that
up is just to give you the idea that just

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two years ago they went and got this guy from
James Madison who'd had a nice little career at some
small schools Indiana University of Pennsylvania, I think Elon College.
He had left Alabama three hundred thousand dollars contract at
Alabama as an assistant coach to go be the head

(01:15:51):
coach at Indiana University of Pennsylvania for one hundred and
twenty and his wife said, go get your job back,
and he tried, but he couldn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
So now he's the.

Speaker 12 (01:16:01):
Head coach and off he goes. He brings thirteen players
with him from James Madison to Indiana and they had
a reasonable schedule, and again this is the perfect storm.
Reasonable schedule, first year of twelve team playoff and they
capture the imagination.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
Of the country.

Speaker 12 (01:16:18):
Losing only one game and that to Ohio State in Columbus.
They get into the College Football Playoff. They get beat
by Notre Dame, but an eleven to two start. He
now goes into the transfer portal and finds a couple
of pieces, Fernando Mendoza, who's the favorite now for the
Heisman Trophy. He comes and plays quarterback brilliantly. But they

(01:16:40):
have got great x's and o's, which is where the
coaching job comes in. And then they get another kind
of favorable schedule. They win the one game on the
road and then beat Ohio State in a game that
really didn't matter, but for Indiana fans, having never been
in that championship game, having I want a Big ten

(01:17:01):
championship in forever, this was huge stuff. And now they're
going to the Rose Bowl. They're going to have a
Heisman Trophy winner if Diego Pavia doesn't steal it, a
Heisman Trophy winner, a Rose Bowl berth and the number
one seed. After being the absolute basement program of all
of college football. It's phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. Who gets your Heisman vote.

Speaker 12 (01:17:28):
As much as I love Fernanda Mendoza, I cannot shake
off this Diego Pavia and that I this kid. Listen,
clarkly coached with me at UCLA, so I kind of
helped Clark get going in this business. So I take
great pride in his success. Vanderbilt had never had a
ten win season in the history of their school, never

(01:17:51):
and they got the ten wins on the shoulders of
this kid from New Mexico State who captured everybody's imagination
a year ago when he said we got Vanderbilt turned
as they carried the goalposts after beating Alabama into the
Cumberland River. This is a remarkable kid, and he played
his tail off down the stretch. So I'm here for Diego.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
All right. So how much of cbls's coverage will be
about Rick Newheisel's decision like a Lebron James situation here
and the Army Navy game this.

Speaker 12 (01:18:24):
Weekend, I can promise you it will not be about me.
This is the absolute quintessential college game of the year
for us. It is so fun and it means so
much more than just what happens on the field. When
you get down and you get to see these kids

(01:18:46):
play with their hearts out, and when you get there,
you realize they're not as big as Alabama, They're not
as big.

Speaker 5 (01:18:52):
As Ohio State.

Speaker 12 (01:18:54):
This is different. And I'm not taking away from their
athleticism or their competitive zeal. What I'm saying is these
guys have made a commitment to our country and to
our way of life, and that service kind of feel
that they bring to the field you can feel. And
then you see the admirals and the generals and what

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it means in terms of the history of this game
and the competitive nature of those folks in theaters across
the globe. I'm telling you you can't wait for that.
Then all of a sudden, we get that aerial, you know,
circus of the flyovers and the Blackhawk helicopters, and you're going,
you know what, We're on.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
The right team.

Speaker 12 (01:19:35):
We got the right team here in America. So I
can't wait to be a part of that telecast. And
just every year it's it's a bucket list item.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
All right. So Taco Time Pick of the Week. You
have one game to choose from so, who's taking it?

Speaker 12 (01:19:53):
My dad? We lost my dad a year in March,
late March. But he was an army man through and through.
He was part of the Jag Corps. And I got
to in twenty nineteen, got to bring him to the game.
And he's supposed to leave the sideline after the pregame

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and go up to his seats, and he said, no, no,
I'm fine right here. And he sat on the Army
bench the entire game and watched it on the video
board in Philadelphia. I just laugh. I have pictures of him.
You're there with the Army.

Speaker 5 (01:20:29):
Mule and the whole deal.

Speaker 12 (01:20:30):
So it's an honor for me to always choose the
Black Knights, and I'll look forward to see and if
they can get it done. They're a big underdog here
is Navy's been outstanding.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Well, thank you, sir, Thank you for joining us. Thank
you for your candor. We appreciate it and we will
be rooting for you and whatever makes.

Speaker 12 (01:20:50):
You have if I get any news, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
All all right, thank you have fun. All right, Rick
new Iiel joining us right here on Chuck and Buck.
His segment brought you by Taco Time. All right, coming
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