October 23, 2025 • 32 mins
Manage Angerment… yes, you read that correctly. Is it out of the realm of possibility to think that Dan Wilson is not back next year? There’s some strange things happening in MLB managing- the Giants hired a college coach, the Angels hired Kurt Suzuki on a one-year deal and Scott Servais is being talked about for several open spots. Does Dan need a different bench coach to help him in year 2? :30- MIKE SANDO (The Athletic) joins us with the latest from the NFL and his thoughts on the Seahawks heading into the bye week. :45- We close out the show with one last thing!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
All right, nine o'clock hour, run a little bit late.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You know those roundtable guys.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
But a blah blah blah blah. It's Chuck Palace, Ashley
Ryan with you here on this Thursday. No Bucky Jacobson today,
Ed take a couple of days off. We're gonna have
Mike Sando join us at nine thirty here today to
preview Thursday night football. Also get his thoughts on the
Seahawks here at the bye. But in the meantime, I
know a lot of people still have Mariners on the brain.
(00:37):
I'm trying not to overdo it, but it is still
kind of what I want to talk about all the time.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's all that anyone's talking to me about. Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I even had a moment where I've even gotten sick
of talking about baseball, believe it or not, Like off there,
not during the shows.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
The shows is where I want to do it.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But I even went and got sushi yesterday and ended
up in an hour conversation about where Dan went wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, I was giving that yesterday. What do you think?
And I was like, I don't know. My brain still hurts,
my heart still hurts.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's not that I don't love it, and I dove
right back into the conversation with my friend. But nonetheless,
I mean, I've just pretty much talked about baseball for
nothing but two weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
And yet here we go again, because I'm going to
title this segment manage Angerment. Oh yeah, I like that,
because there are a lot of strange things. There are
some odd things going on right now in Major League
Baseball in terms of the managerial hirings that have taken place.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And so I'm just going to start.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'm just going to throw this out, and then I'll
explain why I'm throwing it out. Is it out of
the question that Dan Wilson is not back next year?
And it's certainly nothing that I would wager on that
he wouldn't be back next year, But I also don't
think it's out of the question. And I'll get to
that here in my own peculiar way. All Right, this
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has been a strange hiring period in Major League Baseball.
Number One, the Giants just hired a college baseball coach,
Tony Vvittello.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
He was very fun, He's fairly very fun.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But nobody knows that this is going to work. This
has not happened since like nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, that somebody.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
This happens all the time in college football and in
college basketball, that a really great coach is like, hey,
you want if you ever thought about coaching in the pros.
I mean, Mike Krzyzewski was rumored for thirty years to
go to the pros and he never did.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So it happens all the time. That's not news.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
This is news that somebody would hire somebody was just
I mean, Pat Murphy was a college manager and then
but he sat on the bench with Craig Counsel in
Milwaukee for years, and then when Craig Counsel jumped over
to Chicago, they asked Pat Murphy if he wanted the job,
and he felt he'd learned enough about the major league
games sitting there being the right hand man for Craig Counsel.
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Thought he was still young enough, so he took the job.
But to go with a young, like forty year old
old college baseball coach and make him a manager of
a major league team hasn't happened in nearly fifty years,
and so that's crazy. Kurt Suzuki got hired by the
Angels on a.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
One year contract.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Can you imagine that a one year contract?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I mean that I prove it.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
They always, yeah, talk about prove it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They always talk about like, well, I can't be on
my last year of my contract. No, the players will
take me seriously. And here are the Angels saying, we'll
hire you, but we don't really believe in you. So
one year, prove it or you're out.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah. He's signed quite a few people too.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
A lot of people, yeah, including Albert Pooles and Tory Hunter, Angels, legends.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So that's weird.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
There there's a chance Scott's Service could be a manager
next year. He's being interviewed everywhere. Wouldn't it be strange
if Scott Service is managing somewhere next year in Major
League Baseball and Dan wasn't. Yeah, now I don't think
that that's going to happen. Happen, but I guess I'm
pointing out stranger things are happening. And look, we are
in a championship window, and we've been in it for
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a while. We haven't always acted that way since entering
this window.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Well, front office ownership, they've not.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Acted like we're in a championship window at all times.
They've come up a little short in off season and
even trade deadlines. But I will defend them a little
bit because when we made the playoffs in twenty twenty two,
they were very aggressive at the trading deadline and we
made the playoffs. This year, we make the playoffs, we
were very aggressive at the trading deadline. We were also
very aggressive the previous year and ended up falling one
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game short. But at the time in the past, Jerry
and Justin aren't making by trades at the deadline like
they did a year ago. So three of the last
four years aggression at the trading deadline. I think they've
done really well at the trading deadline, but I do
remember times where they had one foot in the boat
and one foot out of the boat. Kendall Graveman year
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as an example, Paul seawalld year as an example. And
so they haven't always acted like.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
We're in a championship window.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And I don't know why you go through all the
hard and brilliant work of creating the foundation that you've
created if you aren't going to.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Just go for it every year.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
To a degree, I'm not saying all in, I think
that's a stupid statement to make.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
In Baseball to.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Go all in, Oh, prospects are available, I think that's
just I think that's hot air. I don't want to
go all in. What Jerry and Justin want to do
is what I would do if I was a general manager.
They want to create a championship.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Window, and they want to make that window.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
As long as possible, as long as possible.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But you can't stop short while you're in the window
of trying to win the championship. And this year they
did a very good job of it. And it's the
closest that we've come ever to getting there. And so
when you're thinking about a manager, and maybe they do
believe they've got the right guy and Dan Wilson and
this is nothing that they're even entertaining, But if you
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are sitting there in a year in which he was
bagged pretty hard, not just locally, not just by the
loud mouths on Twitter, not just the trolls, the faceless
trolls on social media, but local media, national media, players
who are analysts at MLB network. I mean, he was
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questioned all season long for his managerial moves by most
of baseball, and people did worry that that would carry
over into the playoffs and maybe become an issue because
of course those managerial decisions happen faster in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
They're more impactful.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You can't be caught snoozing, and I think that to
a degree, Dan Wilson was caught snoozing at the most
important time of the entire year. And so I don't
know if they're having this conversation behind the scenes, but
I don't rule out that in a championship window that Jerry, Justin,
John and whoever else's opinion that they trust that they
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know won't get back to Dan aren't having a meeting
somewhere saying is either the right.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Guy or not?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Because I don't want this to be what gets in
the way next year or the following year. Let's make
a decision.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Is he going to learn?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Is he going to be quicker on the draw?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And next season?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Because there's a lot of great things Dan Wilson brings
to the table, a lot of great things that Dan
Wilson brings to the table, but you never know how
they're going to react in the moment in games until
they're actually under that gun. And I don't think Dan
Wilson was good at that during the regular season, and
I don't think he was that good at it in
the postseason. I mean John Schneider made a huge couple
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of mistakes as well, and.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
They ended up winning the series.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And I think that aj Hinch, who everybody said such
a brilliant manager, he blew it against us in Game
number five, taking Trek schoobl out of the game. So
I do think there is a conversation to be held
somewhere secretively that hopefully Dan never hears it, but they're
gone to converse about is he the right guy? And
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if he's not, then we've got to do the painful
thing of popping him from the job and finding the
right guy. Because we can't squander years of the championship
window any longer.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
We have to take advantage every single year.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Of what we have. We definitely have to take advantage.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But I do wonder how much of it they're looking
at and saying, you know what, it's just first year manager.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
You know, problems, things that we have to work through.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
He's going to be a little slower because the last
thing he wants to do is make decisions too quickly
and lose games that way, So he's going to think
them through a little bit longer, and then as he
gets a feel for it more, I would think that
they would expect that he would, you know, it just
has to get a feel for how the game goes,
and then that is going to help shape his judgment
in the future versus is this year. It's because I
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do think in certain instances I remember this year too,
when he'd make a decision maybe we thought was too quick,
then he'd get called out for that. So I mean,
he is going to get called out by people for
whether it's you know, too slow of a decision, the
wrong decision, too quick of a decision, if he's pulling
the starter too fast or leaving him into long I mean, well,
it is.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
The ultimate skill skill of the manager. It is the
ultimate responsibility because usually like offensive x's and o's kind
of take care of themselves. Maybe you could say when
you bunt, when you try to play small ball, things
of that nature.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But really, the modern.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Manager, there's a reason they're not called head coaches. They
manage personalities. They're trying to get the most out of
the talent that they've been given by the front office.
And I think we all agree he's been given plenty
of talent by the front office, and usually, like the
modern manager, really the most important thing that you do
is make those decisions as to when to take pitchers
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out and who to replace them with. Yeah, and if
that's where he's struggling, that's how really mighty area to
struggle in.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I think they're going to stick with them. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I don't have a problem with them sticking with him
to your point and seeing how much growth that we
get out of Dan going forward. I think I evaluated
him as a C minus this year, and I didn't
evaluate him as the biggest concern that I had going
into the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I remember that, and yet.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I'm still willing to say, hey man, there's a lot
of great qualities here about this guy. The players love him,
they respect him, they trust him, and.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Those go a long way.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Those things go a long way with a manager.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I don't think that's the way Scott ended things with
the clubhouse, and Dan already had it before he took
the job, and I think he still has it today.
At least I haven't heard any murmurings that he's lost
anybody in the clubhouse. So there's something here to work with,
there's something here to build off. Of But I do
wonder if maybe he needs somebody in his ear that
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has been there before and has done it before, and
is operating two or three moves ahead, like you need
to be as a manager, especially in the playoffs. I
brought this example up earlier about Joe Torre was a
master at managing person else. Think about what he had
to wrestle with Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter. I mean, all
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of these different stars, superstars that he had to get
on the same page, and he was a master. He
was one of the best of all time at it.
Don Zimmer was his ex as an O's guy. Little
Yoda sat right there by his side, whispered things in
his ear. Don Zimmer, who didn't want to deal with
the media, didn't want to deal with personalities, just wanted
to be everybody's buddy on the team. But when it
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came to X's and O's, he was the guy that
was really whispered in Joe's ear. Maybe he needs that
type of person.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I mean, I don't think it could hurt.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, I don't think maniact is the guy. If that's
maniactor's role, you need a better guy. Doesn't mean maniact
asked to leave. Maniacta can serve a lot of roles.
I really like Maniacta, but you add too as an
organization make a really difficult admission. This offseason, Jerry particularly
had to say, maybe I don't know what I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Talking about about offense.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, and maybe I do have to turn it over
to offensive experts. And Kevin Sitzer's got a pretty awesome resume.
And so if I just turned this thing over to
Edgar and to Kevin Seitzer, maybe we'll get better results.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
We got better results, Yes we did.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
That was an admission.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
That was Jerry looking in the mirror and saying, am
I too fat for these pants? And saying, yeah, I
think I am. And he got better pants and he
looked better in them. That fits right, right, And so
Kevin sites are fit. Maybe we have to have that
same conversation about what Dan might need to push him
over the top. People are asking me all the time,
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all the time, does he make the decisions?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Or to Jerry and Justin, I don't know. They're not
letting me that far inside behind the curtain.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I'll tell you this. Every time I've asked on air
or off air, either one of them. They've always said
Dan makes the decisions, both of them, both Jerry and Justin.
That's Dan, Dan's department, Dan's department. So I think Dan Wilson,
who wasn't a thousand percent short, he wanted to take
over last year. I think that that was part of
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the negotiation. If I do this, I don't want to
be micromanaged, and I think they agreed to that, and
so I think they let Dan rip this year. So
maybe not. Maybe everybody's suspicions are that Jerry and Justin
are in his ear all day long, and I don't
think that that has happened. But if it didn't quite
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work in that area, and it worked, we wanted a vision,
we're hanging a banner we got to buy. We made
it within nine outs of the World Series. So those
are usually really nice accomplishments for a first year full
time manager. But if you do observe that we could
have gone farther had our manager been better at game
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in game decisions, then get him some help. At least
give him a sounding board, somebody who's a little more proven.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, that can.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
At least remind him hey hey hey, hey hey. Springer
and Guerrero are going to be up in the seventh potentially,
do we really want to face them for the last
time in this playoff? As hot as they are, as
good as they are with anyone less than Munnos And
maybe there's somebody that can put that in his ear
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that is operating as Dan tries to juggle a thousand
different things and keep all the plates spinning. So maybe
that's the solution. Dan does not deserve to be fired
after what the team accomplished this year, but Dan's got
to get better at certain in game decisions. In my opinion, I.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Think he would say the same thing.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And I don't want this to be the reason again
next year, not like it is the reason. There are
a lot of reasons that went into us getting eliminated. Yes,
our starting pitching been better, it wouldn't have come down
to that decison game number seven.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
But I just don't want it to be a reason right.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
That, you know we're we we don't.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Make great in game decisions with pitching changes, and so
I think it can be addressed with a simple bench
coach upgrade and nobody has to lose their job and
we get better in the process, because it really is
crucial and I really do think that there was a
mistake made in Game number seven at a really bad time.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Well, and I would think, or I would hope at
least that everybody in the Mariners organization from the top
all the way down to the bullpen catcher, that they're
all looking at at every aspect in saying, Okay, what
is it that we could improve on for next year?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
What did I do for sure that needs.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
To be You know that that maybe contributed to us
not making it to the World Series, because every single
person in that organization can come up with something that
they they could improve on in order to get us
over that next or past that hump over to the
next step. So I would think I would hope that
Dan is sitting down and having that conversation with Jerry
and Justin and I and his staff and saying, Okay,
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where did we fall short and what is it that
we can do together and who could we bring in
to maybe make us even stronger.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, well, I think the conversation is going to be held.
I mean, you think about like Bob Melvin. I don't
think Bob Melvin is going to get another managerial opportunity
that's been a guy that is not exactly full of personality.
I would imagine he and Dan get along. Maybe they're
are trivals. I have no idea, but maybe that's a
guy that sits by his side, that knows Seattle that yeah,
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has been here before and after several managerial chances, will
be like, you know, I'd like to just be a
bench coach. I don't want to talk to the media anymore.
Just let me do that role. Joe Madden still doesn't
have a job. What a clever guy to have. Yeah,
you want to talk about a guy that sees two
or three moves ahead. Maybe he wouldn't want to be
a bench coach again like he was for Mike Sosha
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once upon a time. Or maybe he's been out of
the game long enough that he sees I'm not going
to get another managerial chance.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I'm getting old.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It would be nice to kind of just fill that
role and to be back into a clubhouse.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Maybe that's a guy.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Maybe Buck Showalter, who's the brightest guy out there still
to this day in terms of his baseball decisions. I
think there's some options out there, and maybe that's the
improvement to the staff that you need next year. And
Dan gets another crack at it, to not just be
the manager next year, but the crack to be our
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manager for the next fifteen years throughout this entire period.
Because I think there are a lot of great qualities
about him that if we could just supplement him in
maybe some areas that right now he's deficient at and
probably will get better at them going forward, then maybe
that's the perfect solution. I don't want this to stand
in the way. I don't want it to be a
reason a year from now why we feel that we
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didn't advance to the World Series.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So let's address it now, I would agree, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
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Speaker 1 (18:00):
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Speaker 3 (18:04):
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Speaker 5 (18:14):
I Mike, pretty good, got all my sick days left
to you. Oh, I'll get here for you.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
You know. Well, thanks, We really appreciate your dedication. All right,
So let's talk Seahawks going into the by five and two.
How are you feeling about our football team here locally?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Pretty darn good?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, really feel good about him.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
You know, I think the defensive performance against Tampa Bay
was concerning, but I think it's a little bit more
of a one off. I think that it was a
combination of probably trying to do too much and then
with guys who are not playing, you know, guys out
so and playing a good offense. So you know, there's
there's more for this team. Like the fundamentals seem pretty
good to me, but I feel like a couple of
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these games, like they should have won, like thirty five
to seven, and they still won, you know, twenty to
twelve or whatever it was, twenty seven nineteen the inter night.
Don't you feel like they could have won by way more?
And I think that's that's a good sign, like that
they probably will win some of these by a lot
more later.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
JSN has one hundred and ninety more yards receiving than
Jamar Chase, who's second in the league.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Is he in this category?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Is he as good as any receiver in the National
Football League or is he just having the best statistical season.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I think he's in that up Ruchelan category.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You know, I think when we traditionally.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Talk about the number one receivers, we kind of have
in our mind that they look like andre Johnson. Right,
They're six to two, they're two hundred and twenty five pounds,
and they run a two point four forty.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
You know, that's what we kind of think, that's what
you look for, that's what gets picked in the top five. Right,
So we know, you know, JSN is not quite that,
but look around the league, justin Jefferson's not that either.
You know, the top guys in yardage now are not
necessarily the ANDREI Johnson or look like Larry Fitzgerald. You know,
they're not overwhelming big physically. So some of that is
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the prolification I think of the three receivers and just
the way the game's played now, and it's it's so
much more scheme oriented than it is just beating your
guy because you're the bigger, better athlete, right, And I thought,
I think I was thinking this the other night. He
can be the best receiver this franchise has had since
Steve Largent.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
That's saying a lot.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
You know, you know, there's been some good ones so well.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Now that you say it out loud, isn't he? But
I think he is.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I mean you would be talking about Doug Baldwin and
you'd be talking about Brian Blades, you know, DK for
a run, but I think we're seeing that the consistency
that JSN plays with is on another level from DK. Now,
Doug Baldwin was super you know, super consistent and tough,
and let's not just diminish what he brought to the team.
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I mean I think he was you know, we're not
crowning after a couple of years here, but I think
we're looking at is Hey, this trajectory's going to continue
for this player, right and he's just starting. He's like
twenty three years old. Yeah, yeah, you know, so uh
it doesn't mean he's past what those guys, some of
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those guys have done. But I think you'd bet on well,
we shouldn't bet on anything, I guess now with everything
that's coming out of the news, but you would you
would bet on this if this or a stock, you know,
you'd feel really good about that it's going to be
one of the best in the history of the franchise.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Mike Sando is with us our NFL Insider can follow
him at Sando NFL on Twitter. Since you brought it up,
what kind of day do you think Roger Goodell is
having considering how big a part gambling is in his sport.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Yeah, I'm sure they're attuned to this, and this, you know,
puts it in their face even more. I think the
NBA one is I look at it, you know, there's
two different ones. There's the card room thing and then
there's he's over under these in game props, you know,
And to me, the head coach of a team playing
in a car illegal card game is probably not something
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that they're worried about. Mike Tomlin showing up at a
card game, I wouldn't think. But the prop bet ones
are to me, those are ripe. And I do think
the NFL's a little bit has advantages and disadvantage. One
disadvantage is there's so many more players.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
He would be easy to reach somebody.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
But I think there's many more props.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I mean, let's face it, we should not be able
to win money betting on how many assists Terry Rogier
gets in a basketball game.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Absolutely, because Terry can control that even without throwing the game.
He can, right, He can decide to to, you know,
just move the ball a different direction and he wouldn't
even notice, right, and then you still get a bucket
on that possession anyway.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Not like hockey where everybody getting at and assist before that.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I do think though, that it is I say this
even for the NBA stuff that's embarrassing and bad. I
do think that I would rather have this stuff coming
out on these silly props than on the outcome of
a game. A guy just ricking two free throws or
something like that that actually swings the outcome of the
game in a more direct way, which by the way,
is harder to do in the NFL unless you had
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a quarterback or a running back or you know, somebody
who is going to fumble on purpose in a key moment.
I just I think that would be kind of hard
to do.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
J Lamar Jackson practice yesterday. I guess that's an indication
that there's a chance he'll play against the players on Sunday.
They are one in five, and I think that's the
most shocking thing of this entire football season.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Can they save it still?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I mean, I think that with if Lamar Jackson plays,
they've got a couple of guys back on defense. I
think they can if you look at their schedule, I do.
I think they can get back into the realm of
playing for something late in the year. But what's the
odds that they're not going to have more injuries or
other things that derailed them. I think their defense is
a big issue too. And you know, they've done a
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good job over the years of like finding the next coordinator.
I'm just not sure they have the one next one
right now, and so that's my concern for them, and
I think they're going to have a hard time even
if they do rally and get back in of making
a big dent.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Colts, on the flip side, are six and one, that's
the best record in the National Football League. Any chance
that they're the best team in the National Football League, I.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Don't think so, because I think the quarterback well efficient,
you know, I think the I mean, the Chiefs are
playing pretty good ball right now. I don't think we
would go against them, you know, with Mahomes in a
big game type of a situation. But I do think
that the Colts are you know, they were eight nine
last year with a forty seven percent passer, So you know,
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I think we've probably just taken for granted that they're
going to fall short every year, and now we're actually seeing,
you know, a competent quarterback who's playing really well with
I think a good play caller I think Styching is
and they also change their defensive play color. I think
they got better for in, you know, single game matchups
with lou An Arumo, which could help them in the playoffs.
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So I think they're in the top echelon of the
AFC right now given the state of the AFC, but
I still wouldn't take them over.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Kansas City Chargers started three and oh people were saying
this might be the best team in the NFL, and
they've since lost three out of four. So what are
the Chargers as they get ready for Thursday night football
against the Vikings tonight.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yeah, they're a little flawed. No, certainly the offensive line issues.
They've been without both starting tackles, which is really the
strength of their team. So you take the strength of
your team and make it a weakness of your team.
I think that has really really hurt their consistency. But
the concern I have is they're given up a ton
of explosive plays on defense Khalil Maxman out. Maybe they
get that back tonight. They're actually favored against Soda, which
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has quarterback issues, so I think there's a good chance
they sort of get it back tonight and have a
better game. But that's anytime you're out without your shorting tackles,
and we've seen that when it happened to Seattle, it's
going to be really, really tough. And I think that's
that's their identity. Jim Harbaugh came in there and said,
we're drafting an offensive tackle and we think that's a weapon.
That's their identity. So they've really lost that and I
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think it's been hard for them to recover.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I peg them today, laid the points three and a
half in our Factor fiction contest.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Am I going to be right?
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That's not very convincing, Mike.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
This stuff was convincing. We would all be living in mansions, okay,
we'd all be having our own I'd be having the
east wing of my house. You got to do a
three hundred million dollar ballroom right now, if we knew
how to do it.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Wait a minute, are you telling me gambling is risky?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Oh my gosh, I feel bad even joking about it
because people get hooked into it. I was, It's just
a rough deal, you know, really rough.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, really all right, Mike, thank you. Enjoying the football tonight.
We'll talk to you next week. Thank you, all right.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
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Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, just looking at us, nuts.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, keep your beady eyes to yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Are you Canadian?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
One last thing next on KJR?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
All right, final segment here on this Thursday, Ashley, what
do you got today?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Well, there were some accolades handed out for the Mariners today,
potentially well not well. Julio and Cal named to the
twenty twenty five Sporting News AL All Star Team. Okay,
and then the and then who oh, Dan was named
Sporting News AL Manager of.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
The Year by that Yeah, okay, interesting, right, interesting?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
And then also because that's not enough, Cal, Julio and
Polanco are Silver Slugger Awards finalists.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
And the Mariners are out for Team of the.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Year Team of the Year. That's the last one I
would want to win.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Want to hear all of the naysayers like a banner.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, which on that note, Yeah, real quick about hanging
a banner. You won the American League West, you won
your division. You should put up a banner for winning
your division, and every team that wins their division puts
up a banner for winning their division.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
So I don't think that because you didn't make it
to the World Series.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Winning the AL West this year for the first.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Time in twenty four years, Yeah, I don't think that's
something to scoff at.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Did we make it to the World Series?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Is that a disappointment?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yes, But does that mean that the entire season is
a disappointment.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
No.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
It was a successful season, yes, you know, and that's
that's just bottom line truth of it all. Was it
a disappointing end, Yes, it sucked to get that close
to something that has eluded this city for forty nine
years of franchise history.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I liked what Softie said when we had him on
today He's like, he hasn't even thought about being angry, Yeah,
because he's so sad.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah. I was sad too, and I haven't been mad.
It's just it was just a sucky, sad feeling. I
wanted it for our city. I wanted it for those
guys on the team. I wanted it for myself. Yeah,
but I'm not going to take that sadness and take
away from anything that this season gave us.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, it was it was a ride.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
It was well you what that was one heck of
a ride.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Some people are saying, well, we didn't make it to
the World Series, so nothing else mad, But that's just
not true.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, it's not true.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, well you're going to get there. You're going to
get there. I know you're sick of hearing it, but
it's going to happen. It's going to happen soon. It's
going to happen multiple.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Times, I hope. So what do you have?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I've got WNBA news.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Earlier this week, Adam Silver said, Oh, we're going to
give WNBA players the big pay raises they deserve, but
they are going to be fixed. And that part of
fixed salaries and then that part of it apparently the
union is like, no, absolutely not. So they're a long
way away from being able to settle their differences. And
I've said this now for the last couple of years.
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It's time to end it. It's time to divorce. The
NBA has been carrying the WNBA financially for a long time.
WNBA says, we don't need you to do that anymore.
We were making our own revenue and we want our
salaries to reflect that. The NBA can just get back
to being a men's league and just continue doing what
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you're doing.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Let them go.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And then on the WNBA side, it's time to for
you to find out how difficult it is to run
a league. But you now get to chart your own course.
So for the WNBA, I say it is time for
you to divorce from the NBA. Start your own league.
Get a bunch of investors to start your own league.
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Maybe create team names that aren't terrible.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah it'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, that'd be nice, and just start it all over,
have a draft everything else.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, they just said, Robin Roberts just invested in.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
It's like a four hundred and fifty million dollars valuation
for the league or something.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I mean Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Just break off on your own and then you can
find out how lucrative you can actually be all the
players on an individual basis, how lucrative the league would
be without having to not trust what you're hearing from
the NBA. So that would be my recommendation. Start your
own league. It's time to do it. Now, find your
own investors, and then make your own rule for just
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how rich you're.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
All going to get.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, because I'm tired of this little dispute going back
and forth.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I get it all right, We'll talk to you tomorrow
at six am.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
You know those roundtable guys.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
But a blah blah blah blah. It's Chuck Palace, Ashley
Ryan with you here on this Thursday. No Bucky Jacobson today,
Ed take a couple of days off. We're gonna have
Mike Sando join us at nine thirty here today to
preview Thursday night football. Also get his thoughts on the
Seahawks here at the bye. But in the meantime, I
know a lot of people still have Mariners on the brain.
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I'm trying not to overdo it, but it is still
kind of what I want to talk about all the time.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's all that anyone's talking to me about. Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I even had a moment where I've even gotten sick
of talking about baseball, believe it or not, Like off there,
not during the shows.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
The shows is where I want to do it.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But I even went and got sushi yesterday and ended
up in an hour conversation about where Dan went wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, I was giving that yesterday. What do you think?
And I was like, I don't know. My brain still hurts,
my heart still hurts.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's not that I don't love it, and I dove
right back into the conversation with my friend. But nonetheless,
I mean, I've just pretty much talked about baseball for
nothing but two weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
And yet here we go again, because I'm going to
title this segment manage Angerment. Oh yeah, I like that,
because there are a lot of strange things. There are
some odd things going on right now in Major League
Baseball in terms of the managerial hirings that have taken place.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And so I'm just going to start.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'm just going to throw this out, and then I'll
explain why I'm throwing it out. Is it out of
the question that Dan Wilson is not back next year?
And it's certainly nothing that I would wager on that
he wouldn't be back next year, But I also don't
think it's out of the question. And I'll get to
that here in my own peculiar way. All Right, this
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has been a strange hiring period in Major League Baseball.
Number One, the Giants just hired a college baseball coach,
Tony Vvittello.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
He was very fun, He's fairly very fun.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But nobody knows that this is going to work. This
has not happened since like nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, that somebody.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
This happens all the time in college football and in
college basketball, that a really great coach is like, hey,
you want if you ever thought about coaching in the pros.
I mean, Mike Krzyzewski was rumored for thirty years to
go to the pros and he never did.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So it happens all the time. That's not news.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
This is news that somebody would hire somebody was just
I mean, Pat Murphy was a college manager and then
but he sat on the bench with Craig Counsel in
Milwaukee for years, and then when Craig Counsel jumped over
to Chicago, they asked Pat Murphy if he wanted the job,
and he felt he'd learned enough about the major league
games sitting there being the right hand man for Craig Counsel.
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Thought he was still young enough, so he took the job.
But to go with a young, like forty year old
old college baseball coach and make him a manager of
a major league team hasn't happened in nearly fifty years,
and so that's crazy. Kurt Suzuki got hired by the
Angels on a.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
One year contract.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Can you imagine that a one year contract?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I mean that I prove it.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
They always, yeah, talk about prove it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They always talk about like, well, I can't be on
my last year of my contract. No, the players will
take me seriously. And here are the Angels saying, we'll
hire you, but we don't really believe in you. So
one year, prove it or you're out.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah. He's signed quite a few people too.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
A lot of people, yeah, including Albert Pooles and Tory Hunter, Angels, legends.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So that's weird.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
There there's a chance Scott's Service could be a manager
next year. He's being interviewed everywhere. Wouldn't it be strange
if Scott Service is managing somewhere next year in Major
League Baseball and Dan wasn't. Yeah, now I don't think
that that's going to happen. Happen, but I guess I'm
pointing out stranger things are happening. And look, we are
in a championship window, and we've been in it for
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a while. We haven't always acted that way since entering
this window.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Well, front office ownership, they've not.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Acted like we're in a championship window at all times.
They've come up a little short in off season and
even trade deadlines. But I will defend them a little
bit because when we made the playoffs in twenty twenty two,
they were very aggressive at the trading deadline and we
made the playoffs. This year, we make the playoffs, we
were very aggressive at the trading deadline. We were also
very aggressive the previous year and ended up falling one
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game short. But at the time in the past, Jerry
and Justin aren't making by trades at the deadline like
they did a year ago. So three of the last
four years aggression at the trading deadline. I think they've
done really well at the trading deadline, but I do
remember times where they had one foot in the boat
and one foot out of the boat. Kendall Graveman year
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as an example, Paul seawalld year as an example. And
so they haven't always acted like.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
We're in a championship window.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And I don't know why you go through all the
hard and brilliant work of creating the foundation that you've
created if you aren't going to.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Just go for it every year.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
To a degree, I'm not saying all in, I think
that's a stupid statement to make.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
In Baseball to.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Go all in, Oh, prospects are available, I think that's
just I think that's hot air. I don't want to
go all in. What Jerry and Justin want to do
is what I would do if I was a general manager.
They want to create a championship.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Window, and they want to make that window.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
As long as possible, as long as possible.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But you can't stop short while you're in the window
of trying to win the championship. And this year they
did a very good job of it. And it's the
closest that we've come ever to getting there. And so
when you're thinking about a manager, and maybe they do
believe they've got the right guy and Dan Wilson and
this is nothing that they're even entertaining, But if you
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are sitting there in a year in which he was
bagged pretty hard, not just locally, not just by the
loud mouths on Twitter, not just the trolls, the faceless
trolls on social media, but local media, national media, players
who are analysts at MLB network. I mean, he was
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questioned all season long for his managerial moves by most
of baseball, and people did worry that that would carry
over into the playoffs and maybe become an issue because
of course those managerial decisions happen faster in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
They're more impactful.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You can't be caught snoozing, and I think that to
a degree, Dan Wilson was caught snoozing at the most
important time of the entire year. And so I don't
know if they're having this conversation behind the scenes, but
I don't rule out that in a championship window that Jerry, Justin,
John and whoever else's opinion that they trust that they
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know won't get back to Dan aren't having a meeting
somewhere saying is either the right.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Guy or not?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Because I don't want this to be what gets in
the way next year or the following year. Let's make
a decision.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Is he going to learn?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Is he going to be quicker on the draw?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And next season?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Because there's a lot of great things Dan Wilson brings
to the table, a lot of great things that Dan
Wilson brings to the table, but you never know how
they're going to react in the moment in games until
they're actually under that gun. And I don't think Dan
Wilson was good at that during the regular season, and
I don't think he was that good at it in
the postseason. I mean John Schneider made a huge couple
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of mistakes as well, and.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
They ended up winning the series.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And I think that aj Hinch, who everybody said such
a brilliant manager, he blew it against us in Game
number five, taking Trek schoobl out of the game. So
I do think there is a conversation to be held
somewhere secretively that hopefully Dan never hears it, but they're
gone to converse about is he the right guy? And
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if he's not, then we've got to do the painful
thing of popping him from the job and finding the
right guy. Because we can't squander years of the championship
window any longer.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
We have to take advantage every single year.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Of what we have. We definitely have to take advantage.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But I do wonder how much of it they're looking
at and saying, you know what, it's just first year manager.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
You know, problems, things that we have to work through.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
He's going to be a little slower because the last
thing he wants to do is make decisions too quickly
and lose games that way, So he's going to think
them through a little bit longer, and then as he
gets a feel for it more, I would think that
they would expect that he would, you know, it just
has to get a feel for how the game goes,
and then that is going to help shape his judgment
in the future versus is this year. It's because I
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do think in certain instances I remember this year too,
when he'd make a decision maybe we thought was too quick,
then he'd get called out for that. So I mean,
he is going to get called out by people for
whether it's you know, too slow of a decision, the
wrong decision, too quick of a decision, if he's pulling
the starter too fast or leaving him into long I mean, well,
it is.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
The ultimate skill skill of the manager. It is the
ultimate responsibility because usually like offensive x's and o's kind
of take care of themselves. Maybe you could say when
you bunt, when you try to play small ball, things
of that nature.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But really, the modern.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Manager, there's a reason they're not called head coaches. They
manage personalities. They're trying to get the most out of
the talent that they've been given by the front office.
And I think we all agree he's been given plenty
of talent by the front office, and usually, like the
modern manager, really the most important thing that you do
is make those decisions as to when to take pitchers
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out and who to replace them with. Yeah, and if
that's where he's struggling, that's how really mighty area to
struggle in.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I think they're going to stick with them. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I don't have a problem with them sticking with him
to your point and seeing how much growth that we
get out of Dan going forward. I think I evaluated
him as a C minus this year, and I didn't
evaluate him as the biggest concern that I had going
into the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I remember that, and yet.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I'm still willing to say, hey man, there's a lot
of great qualities here about this guy. The players love him,
they respect him, they trust him, and.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Those go a long way.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Those things go a long way with a manager.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I don't think that's the way Scott ended things with
the clubhouse, and Dan already had it before he took
the job, and I think he still has it today.
At least I haven't heard any murmurings that he's lost
anybody in the clubhouse. So there's something here to work with,
there's something here to build off. Of But I do
wonder if maybe he needs somebody in his ear that
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has been there before and has done it before, and
is operating two or three moves ahead, like you need
to be as a manager, especially in the playoffs. I
brought this example up earlier about Joe Torre was a
master at managing person else. Think about what he had
to wrestle with Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter. I mean, all
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of these different stars, superstars that he had to get
on the same page, and he was a master. He
was one of the best of all time at it.
Don Zimmer was his ex as an O's guy. Little
Yoda sat right there by his side, whispered things in
his ear. Don Zimmer, who didn't want to deal with
the media, didn't want to deal with personalities, just wanted
to be everybody's buddy on the team. But when it
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came to X's and O's, he was the guy that
was really whispered in Joe's ear. Maybe he needs that
type of person.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I mean, I don't think it could hurt.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, I don't think maniact is the guy. If that's
maniactor's role, you need a better guy. Doesn't mean maniact
asked to leave. Maniacta can serve a lot of roles.
I really like Maniacta, but you add too as an
organization make a really difficult admission. This offseason, Jerry particularly
had to say, maybe I don't know what I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Talking about about offense.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, and maybe I do have to turn it over
to offensive experts. And Kevin Sitzer's got a pretty awesome resume.
And so if I just turned this thing over to
Edgar and to Kevin Seitzer, maybe we'll get better results.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
We got better results, Yes we did.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
That was an admission.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
That was Jerry looking in the mirror and saying, am
I too fat for these pants? And saying, yeah, I
think I am. And he got better pants and he
looked better in them. That fits right, right, And so
Kevin sites are fit. Maybe we have to have that
same conversation about what Dan might need to push him
over the top. People are asking me all the time,
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all the time, does he make the decisions?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Or to Jerry and Justin, I don't know. They're not
letting me that far inside behind the curtain.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I'll tell you this. Every time I've asked on air
or off air, either one of them. They've always said
Dan makes the decisions, both of them, both Jerry and Justin.
That's Dan, Dan's department, Dan's department. So I think Dan Wilson,
who wasn't a thousand percent short, he wanted to take
over last year. I think that that was part of
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the negotiation. If I do this, I don't want to
be micromanaged, and I think they agreed to that, and
so I think they let Dan rip this year. So
maybe not. Maybe everybody's suspicions are that Jerry and Justin
are in his ear all day long, and I don't
think that that has happened. But if it didn't quite
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work in that area, and it worked, we wanted a vision,
we're hanging a banner we got to buy. We made
it within nine outs of the World Series. So those
are usually really nice accomplishments for a first year full
time manager. But if you do observe that we could
have gone farther had our manager been better at game
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in game decisions, then get him some help. At least
give him a sounding board, somebody who's a little more proven.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, that can.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
At least remind him hey hey hey, hey hey. Springer
and Guerrero are going to be up in the seventh potentially,
do we really want to face them for the last
time in this playoff? As hot as they are, as
good as they are with anyone less than Munnos And
maybe there's somebody that can put that in his ear
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that is operating as Dan tries to juggle a thousand
different things and keep all the plates spinning. So maybe
that's the solution. Dan does not deserve to be fired
after what the team accomplished this year, but Dan's got
to get better at certain in game decisions. In my opinion, I.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Think he would say the same thing.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And I don't want this to be the reason again
next year, not like it is the reason. There are
a lot of reasons that went into us getting eliminated. Yes,
our starting pitching been better, it wouldn't have come down
to that decison game number seven.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
But I just don't want it to be a reason right.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
That, you know we're we we don't.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Make great in game decisions with pitching changes, and so
I think it can be addressed with a simple bench
coach upgrade and nobody has to lose their job and
we get better in the process, because it really is
crucial and I really do think that there was a
mistake made in Game number seven at a really bad time.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Well, and I would think, or I would hope at
least that everybody in the Mariners organization from the top
all the way down to the bullpen catcher, that they're
all looking at at every aspect in saying, Okay, what
is it that we could improve on for next year?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
What did I do for sure that needs.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
To be You know that that maybe contributed to us
not making it to the World Series, because every single
person in that organization can come up with something that
they they could improve on in order to get us
over that next or past that hump over to the
next step. So I would think I would hope that
Dan is sitting down and having that conversation with Jerry
and Justin and I and his staff and saying, Okay,
(16:08):
where did we fall short and what is it that
we can do together and who could we bring in
to maybe make us even stronger.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, well, I think the conversation is going to be held.
I mean, you think about like Bob Melvin. I don't
think Bob Melvin is going to get another managerial opportunity
that's been a guy that is not exactly full of personality.
I would imagine he and Dan get along. Maybe they're
are trivals. I have no idea, but maybe that's a
guy that sits by his side, that knows Seattle that yeah,
(16:37):
has been here before and after several managerial chances, will
be like, you know, I'd like to just be a
bench coach. I don't want to talk to the media anymore.
Just let me do that role. Joe Madden still doesn't
have a job. What a clever guy to have. Yeah,
you want to talk about a guy that sees two
or three moves ahead. Maybe he wouldn't want to be
a bench coach again like he was for Mike Sosha
(16:58):
once upon a time. Or maybe he's been out of
the game long enough that he sees I'm not going
to get another managerial chance.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I'm getting old.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It would be nice to kind of just fill that
role and to be back into a clubhouse.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Maybe that's a guy.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Maybe Buck Showalter, who's the brightest guy out there still
to this day in terms of his baseball decisions. I
think there's some options out there, and maybe that's the
improvement to the staff that you need next year. And
Dan gets another crack at it, to not just be
the manager next year, but the crack to be our
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manager for the next fifteen years throughout this entire period.
Because I think there are a lot of great qualities
about him that if we could just supplement him in
maybe some areas that right now he's deficient at and
probably will get better at them going forward, then maybe
that's the perfect solution. I don't want this to stand
in the way. I don't want it to be a
reason a year from now why we feel that we
(17:52):
didn't advance to the World Series.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So let's address it now, I would agree, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
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Speaker 1 (18:00):
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Speaker 3 (18:04):
Oh yes, Mike Sander every week right here on Chucking
Buck in the morning, and no Bucky Jacobson today. But
you better believe Mike Sando reported to Dudeisa. So we
welcome him back to the show.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I Mike, pretty good, got all my sick days left
to you. Oh, I'll get here for you.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
You know. Well, thanks, We really appreciate your dedication. All right,
So let's talk Seahawks going into the by five and two.
How are you feeling about our football team here locally?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Pretty darn good?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, really feel good about him.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
You know, I think the defensive performance against Tampa Bay
was concerning, but I think it's a little bit more
of a one off. I think that it was a
combination of probably trying to do too much and then
with guys who are not playing, you know, guys out
so and playing a good offense. So you know, there's
there's more for this team. Like the fundamentals seem pretty
good to me, but I feel like a couple of
(18:54):
these games, like they should have won, like thirty five
to seven, and they still won, you know, twenty to
twelve or whatever it was, twenty seven nineteen the inter night.
Don't you feel like they could have won by way more?
And I think that's that's a good sign, like that
they probably will win some of these by a lot
more later.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
JSN has one hundred and ninety more yards receiving than
Jamar Chase, who's second in the league.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Is he in this category?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Is he as good as any receiver in the National
Football League or is he just having the best statistical season.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I think he's in that up Ruchelan category.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You know, I think when we traditionally.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Talk about the number one receivers, we kind of have
in our mind that they look like andre Johnson. Right,
They're six to two, they're two hundred and twenty five pounds,
and they run a two point four forty.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
You know, that's what we kind of think, that's what
you look for, that's what gets picked in the top five. Right,
So we know, you know, JSN is not quite that,
but look around the league, justin Jefferson's not that either.
You know, the top guys in yardage now are not
necessarily the ANDREI Johnson or look like Larry Fitzgerald. You know,
they're not overwhelming big physically. So some of that is
(20:02):
the prolification I think of the three receivers and just
the way the game's played now, and it's it's so
much more scheme oriented than it is just beating your
guy because you're the bigger, better athlete, right, And I thought,
I think I was thinking this the other night. He
can be the best receiver this franchise has had since
Steve Largent.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
That's saying a lot.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
You know, you know, there's been some good ones so well.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Now that you say it out loud, isn't he? But
I think he is.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I mean you would be talking about Doug Baldwin and
you'd be talking about Brian Blades, you know, DK for
a run, but I think we're seeing that the consistency
that JSN plays with is on another level from DK. Now,
Doug Baldwin was super you know, super consistent and tough,
and let's not just diminish what he brought to the team.
(20:54):
I mean I think he was you know, we're not
crowning after a couple of years here, but I think
we're looking at is Hey, this trajectory's going to continue
for this player, right and he's just starting. He's like
twenty three years old. Yeah, yeah, you know, so uh
it doesn't mean he's past what those guys, some of
(21:14):
those guys have done. But I think you'd bet on well,
we shouldn't bet on anything, I guess now with everything
that's coming out of the news, but you would you
would bet on this if this or a stock, you know,
you'd feel really good about that it's going to be
one of the best in the history of the franchise.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Mike Sando is with us our NFL Insider can follow
him at Sando NFL on Twitter. Since you brought it up,
what kind of day do you think Roger Goodell is
having considering how big a part gambling is in his sport.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Yeah, I'm sure they're attuned to this, and this, you know,
puts it in their face even more. I think the
NBA one is I look at it, you know, there's
two different ones. There's the card room thing and then
there's he's over under these in game props, you know,
And to me, the head coach of a team playing
in a car illegal card game is probably not something
(22:12):
that they're worried about. Mike Tomlin showing up at a
card game, I wouldn't think. But the prop bet ones
are to me, those are ripe. And I do think
the NFL's a little bit has advantages and disadvantage. One
disadvantage is there's so many more players.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
He would be easy to reach somebody.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
But I think there's many more props.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I mean, let's face it, we should not be able
to win money betting on how many assists Terry Rogier
gets in a basketball game.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Absolutely, because Terry can control that even without throwing the game.
He can, right, He can decide to to, you know,
just move the ball a different direction and he wouldn't
even notice, right, and then you still get a bucket
on that possession anyway.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Not like hockey where everybody getting at and assist before that.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I do think though, that it is I say this
even for the NBA stuff that's embarrassing and bad. I
do think that I would rather have this stuff coming
out on these silly props than on the outcome of
a game. A guy just ricking two free throws or
something like that that actually swings the outcome of the
game in a more direct way, which by the way,
is harder to do in the NFL unless you had
(23:21):
a quarterback or a running back or you know, somebody
who is going to fumble on purpose in a key moment.
I just I think that would be kind of hard
to do.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
J Lamar Jackson practice yesterday. I guess that's an indication
that there's a chance he'll play against the players on Sunday.
They are one in five, and I think that's the
most shocking thing of this entire football season.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Can they save it still?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I mean, I think that with if Lamar Jackson plays,
they've got a couple of guys back on defense. I
think they can if you look at their schedule, I do.
I think they can get back into the realm of
playing for something late in the year. But what's the
odds that they're not going to have more injuries or
other things that derailed them. I think their defense is
a big issue too. And you know, they've done a
(24:12):
good job over the years of like finding the next coordinator.
I'm just not sure they have the one next one
right now, and so that's my concern for them, and
I think they're going to have a hard time even
if they do rally and get back in of making
a big dent.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Colts, on the flip side, are six and one, that's
the best record in the National Football League. Any chance
that they're the best team in the National Football League, I.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Don't think so, because I think the quarterback well efficient,
you know, I think the I mean, the Chiefs are
playing pretty good ball right now. I don't think we
would go against them, you know, with Mahomes in a
big game type of a situation. But I do think
that the Colts are you know, they were eight nine
last year with a forty seven percent passer, So you know,
(24:56):
I think we've probably just taken for granted that they're
going to fall short every year, and now we're actually seeing,
you know, a competent quarterback who's playing really well with
I think a good play caller I think Styching is
and they also change their defensive play color. I think
they got better for in, you know, single game matchups
with lou An Arumo, which could help them in the playoffs.
(25:17):
So I think they're in the top echelon of the
AFC right now given the state of the AFC, but
I still wouldn't take them over.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Kansas City Chargers started three and oh people were saying
this might be the best team in the NFL, and
they've since lost three out of four. So what are
the Chargers as they get ready for Thursday night football
against the Vikings tonight.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yeah, they're a little flawed. No, certainly the offensive line issues.
They've been without both starting tackles, which is really the
strength of their team. So you take the strength of
your team and make it a weakness of your team.
I think that has really really hurt their consistency. But
the concern I have is they're given up a ton
of explosive plays on defense Khalil Maxman out. Maybe they
get that back tonight. They're actually favored against Soda, which
(26:00):
has quarterback issues, so I think there's a good chance
they sort of get it back tonight and have a
better game. But that's anytime you're out without your shorting tackles,
and we've seen that when it happened to Seattle, it's
going to be really, really tough. And I think that's
that's their identity. Jim Harbaugh came in there and said,
we're drafting an offensive tackle and we think that's a weapon.
That's their identity. So they've really lost that and I
(26:22):
think it's been hard for them to recover.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I peg them today, laid the points three and a
half in our Factor fiction contest.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Am I going to be right?
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That's not very convincing, Mike.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
This stuff was convincing. We would all be living in mansions, okay,
we'd all be having our own I'd be having the
east wing of my house. You got to do a
three hundred million dollar ballroom right now, if we knew
how to do it.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Wait a minute, are you telling me gambling is risky?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Oh my gosh, I feel bad even joking about it
because people get hooked into it. I was, It's just
a rough deal, you know, really rough.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, really all right, Mike, thank you. Enjoying the football tonight.
We'll talk to you next week. Thank you, all right.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
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(27:27):
without Bucky judging us.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, just looking at us, nuts.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, keep your beady eyes to yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Are you Canadian?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
One last thing next on KJR?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
All right, final segment here on this Thursday, Ashley, what
do you got today?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Well, there were some accolades handed out for the Mariners today,
potentially well not well. Julio and Cal named to the
twenty twenty five Sporting News AL All Star Team. Okay,
and then the and then who oh, Dan was named
Sporting News AL Manager of.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
The Year by that Yeah, okay, interesting, right, interesting?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
And then also because that's not enough, Cal, Julio and
Polanco are Silver Slugger Awards finalists.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
And the Mariners are out for Team of the.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Year Team of the Year. That's the last one I
would want to win.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Want to hear all of the naysayers like a banner.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, which on that note, Yeah, real quick about hanging
a banner. You won the American League West, you won
your division. You should put up a banner for winning
your division, and every team that wins their division puts
up a banner for winning their division.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
So I don't think that because you didn't make it
to the World Series.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Winning the AL West this year for the first.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Time in twenty four years, Yeah, I don't think that's
something to scoff at.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Did we make it to the World Series?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Is that a disappointment?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yes, But does that mean that the entire season is
a disappointment.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
No.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
It was a successful season, yes, you know, and that's
that's just bottom line truth of it all. Was it
a disappointing end, Yes, it sucked to get that close
to something that has eluded this city for forty nine
years of franchise history.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I liked what Softie said when we had him on
today He's like, he hasn't even thought about being angry, Yeah,
because he's so sad.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah. I was sad too, and I haven't been mad.
It's just it was just a sucky, sad feeling. I
wanted it for our city. I wanted it for those
guys on the team. I wanted it for myself. Yeah,
but I'm not going to take that sadness and take
away from anything that this season gave us.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, it was it was a ride.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
It was well you what that was one heck of
a ride.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Some people are saying, well, we didn't make it to
the World Series, so nothing else mad, But that's just
not true.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, it's not true.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, well you're going to get there. You're going to
get there. I know you're sick of hearing it, but
it's going to happen. It's going to happen soon. It's
going to happen multiple.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Times, I hope. So what do you have?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I've got WNBA news.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Earlier this week, Adam Silver said, Oh, we're going to
give WNBA players the big pay raises they deserve, but
they are going to be fixed. And that part of
fixed salaries and then that part of it apparently the
union is like, no, absolutely not. So they're a long
way away from being able to settle their differences. And
I've said this now for the last couple of years.
(30:38):
It's time to end it. It's time to divorce. The
NBA has been carrying the WNBA financially for a long time.
WNBA says, we don't need you to do that anymore.
We were making our own revenue and we want our
salaries to reflect that. The NBA can just get back
to being a men's league and just continue doing what
(30:58):
you're doing.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Let them go.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And then on the WNBA side, it's time to for
you to find out how difficult it is to run
a league. But you now get to chart your own course.
So for the WNBA, I say it is time for
you to divorce from the NBA. Start your own league.
Get a bunch of investors to start your own league.
(31:22):
Maybe create team names that aren't terrible.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah it'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, that'd be nice, and just start it all over,
have a draft everything else.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, they just said, Robin Roberts just invested in.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
It's like a four hundred and fifty million dollars valuation
for the league or something.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I mean Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Just break off on your own and then you can
find out how lucrative you can actually be all the
players on an individual basis, how lucrative the league would
be without having to not trust what you're hearing from
the NBA. So that would be my recommendation. Start your
own league. It's time to do it. Now, find your
own investors, and then make your own rule for just
(32:00):
how rich you're.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
All going to get.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, because I'm tired of this little dispute going back
and forth.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I get it all right, We'll talk to you tomorrow
at six am.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
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